Transcript: Dr. Kirk Moore’s Interview on The Tucker Carlson Show

KIRK MOORE: Lyme disease, yeah. But when we made – we actually passed a law. It’s a federal law that says we’re not allowed to do that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, we signed a convention, I think.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yes. But what happened is just like the scientists from Operation Paperclip went to the tobacco industry, and then from the tobacco industry to the food industry. The scientists that went from these biological weapons development programs went to essentially an umbrella organization that was used to combat biological warfare. So they used it under the auspices of “We are going to develop these things as an antidote or as a treatment for the potential bioweapons that somebody else is using.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. “We’re going to keep our research going to defend ourselves against the Russian bio program.”

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: “And that’s why we need all these biolabs in Ukraine.” And shut up, conspiracy theorist, if you ask about them.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right, right.

TUCKER CARLSON: I will say as someone who smoked for many years and also got Lyme disease, that I got a lot more out of smoking than I did out of Lyme disease. So those are two products of government programs, and one was a lot better than the other from my perspective. I just had to get perspective on this.

The Immunity Problem

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah, I mean, you said that came out this morning. I had not seen that. Everything up until this point was “Operation Warp Speed saved lives. Operation Warp Speed saved millions of lives. It’s the best thing that ever happened. I’m so proud of what we did.”

And he’s been pushing the Pfizer and Moderna CEOs and what a great job they did. I’m really interested to see what numbers it is that they’re showing them that they can’t show the public.

TUCKER CARLSON: We can fix all of this just by stripping them of their immunity. Do you have blanket immunity in your job?

DR. KIRK MOORE: So I don’t have blanket immunity.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, you don’t? I don’t either, actually.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: So I get sued or whatever. So why do they have blanket immunity?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, vaccines have blanket immunity from the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and then the PREP Act in 2005. So the PREP Act in 2005 further extended that – when they declare a state of emergency, then everybody has no liability. So now everything done under EUA has no liability.

And as a matter of fact, the law even says that our judicial branch can’t even review that law. So how is that constitutional? And how has that not been challenged? We’re talking 20 years here where we had a legislative body in 2005 and signed by President George Bush at the time that basically said that anything that’s passed under emergency use authorization has no liability and the judicial branch of our government can’t review it.

TUCKER CARLSON: So there are all of us, US citizens, little worker bees that keep the thing going. And then there are leaders. But then above even our leaders, above the Supreme Court of the United States, sits the vaccine industry. And they’re like the gods. They’re Zeus and Jupiter. And there’s literally nothing we can do.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I’m glad you figured that out.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s dawning slowly. I knew that I committed some kind of blasphemy, but I wasn’t exactly sure against whom. But it’s against Albert Bourla.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: The vet. And I am going to call him next time my dog gets distemper, eats another mop, and I need someone to pull this strand.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Swallows a sock or something.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly. I love vets. He’s a discredit to the business.

Dr. Moore’s Background and Covid Response

TUCKER CARLSON: Your story. You’re a surgeon. You live in Utah, from a military family. Your dad was a test pilot, flew over 100 missions in Vietnam. So you’ve been around the government a lot. Obviously, you grew up in a government world. Covid happens. 2020. Let’s begin your story there. What were you doing? What was your reaction?

Dr. Moore’s COVID Awakening

DR. KIRK MOORE: So COVID happens. I’m operating, operate two days a week. I see patients two, three days a week. I operate Tuesday, Thursday. I actually listen to podcasts, probably listen to a lot of your shows. You know, 2020. I was probably listening to a lot of Dan Bongino.

And I also follow a guy that I used to do a lot of options trading with, and he used to trade his options based upon current world events. And so he was talking about the whole COVID thing. So all through January, February and early March, he’s doing trades and he’s talking about all of this stuff that was happening with COVID and all of the people that were dying over in China and all the lockdowns that were happening and how it expanded into Italy, and now it was into Spain and all this stuff.

And I had… I’m busy, okay? And so I don’t have a lot of time to do a lot of my own research and look into all of this stuff. I mean, I’m conservative by nature, anyway. I mean, I’m Republican, probably more libertarian than I am Republican. But I had no reason to doubt what was going on.

So on March 17, Tuesday afternoon, I get home. I must have seen something on the TV. We’d already had some lockdowns in some of the states in this country. We’d already had Italy, had gone into complete lockdown in Spain. And so at that point, again, without knowing anything anymore, I called my office manager and I said, “Hey, we’re not going to… We’re going to cancel all surgeries. We’re going to close the doors. I can’t risk getting sick. Bringing it home to my kids.” And so let’s just have somebody… Just have one person in the office. Let’s lock the doors, have one person there answering the phones. And so we did that on March 17th.

TUCKER CARLSON: In other words, you took it very seriously.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I did, because I didn’t know anything about it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Me too.

The 48-Hour Revelation

DR. KIRK MOORE: I agree. And I tell this story all the time. It wasn’t 24, 36 hours that I’d done a total 180, a complete 180 by Thursday morning, March 19th. Okay. I was like, “Oh, my gosh, I got to open the doors back up.” By this time, I had already canceled my surgeries. I couldn’t really just turn around and do everything. So… But by that time, I realized that it was all fake. And in two days. In two days.

How? I got online and started reading articles. I got online and started reading about viruses and refreshing myself on microbiology and going back to kind of basic… What I felt was basic science and trying to understand, “Hey, how do these things work? How does an epidemic happen? How does a pandemic happen?”

Then you realize that they changed the definition of pandemic some time before that so that it would apply. I realized that at the time that they declared… it wasn’t the pandemic yet, but they declared some sort of international emergency in the middle of January. And then the WHO declared their fake PHEIC pandemic… the public health emergency of international concern. And that’s what that stands for. I think they do this all on purpose, but when you sounded out, it’s “fake,” okay.

And I realized that there actually were only 44 cases of COVID total in the whole world by the end of January. And there was one death due to that. And the one death was to… I think he was a physician, actually an ophthalmologist in China at the time. And they supposedly had isolated this. I don’t know how they isolated it. They didn’t have… They didn’t have a test. They didn’t have anything that was available for them to isolate it. So again, the whole thing just kind of started falling apart.

TUCKER CARLSON: You knew there was lying at this point?

The “No Treatment” Lie

DR. KIRK MOORE: I knew there was all kinds of lying going on. And then I started… So then I started going, “Okay, well, what can I do about it?” So I knew it was a lie, but what can I do about it?

And the first huge flag to me was when we were told that as physicians, there’s no treatment. You can’t treat this. Well, last I heard, COVID is a flu-like illness. Nausea, malaise, fever, chills, loss of taste and smell, which happened in the flu anyway. Nothing was pathognomonic, which means nothing was directly attributed only to this one disease.

And so what did we used to do for the flu? Treat them symptomatically. Give them something for their fever, give them something for their flu symptoms, give them something for the sinus infection. Give them something for whatever it is that… whatever their problems were. If they’re having diarrhea, then you give them something to help with their diarrhea. Whatever their symptoms were. You would treat those symptoms. Well, why weren’t we treating those symptoms? We just weren’t. It was like all of a sudden there’s no treatment.

TUCKER CARLSON: So can I ask? I mean, and it’s especially relevant to you, so the rest of us are just trying to figure out what the hell’s going on. You’re a doctor in practice, clinical practice. You’re seeing patients. You’re a surgeon and you’re a licensed physician. How do you get that guidance? How do you know that? Like, who tells you we just don’t have treatment for this?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, I mean, the media was telling us we don’t have treatment for it. Right. And Fauci was telling us that there’s no treatment for it. And “just wait till you’re turning blue in the face, you can’t get up, you’re on death’s doorstep and call an ambulance, and then we’ll treat you and we’ll take care of you.”

TUCKER CARLSON: But is there a special doctor website you go to? I mean, your neighbors are probably like, “Hey, you’re a doctor. What should I do about this, COVID?”

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, that’s right. So people are calling me.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So I’m treating them the way I would have treated any other flu-like illness.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

Drawing on Medical Experience

DR. KIRK MOORE: Okay. That’s what I was doing. I have a lot of primary care experience in addition to my plastic surgery. I was in the military for three years, so I took care of flight squadrons for three years as a primary care doc for pilots in a squadron, in addition to taking care of people in a clinic. And I moonlighted in emergency rooms at least twice a day or twice a week for 12, 24 hour shifts. So I did that for eight years. Okay.

I was going back during my residency. I would leave for a weekend and I would go back to Meridian, Mississippi, and I would work from 6pm on a Friday night until 10am on a Sunday. So I’d leave my training on Friday afternoon on the weekend that I was not on call, and I would go and I would work in an emergency room until 10am on Sunday and get on a flight and go back. So I did that in order to supplement my income, but it also gave me a lot of experience, and they gave me a lot more primary care experience than what we typically would have gotten out of another surgery resident or plastic surgery resident. So I just fell back on my experience.

But again, I hated microbiology in medical school, okay? Just… I despised it. Didn’t like it. Looking at bugs in a microscope and reading. And so I always relied on the pathologist to say, “Hey, this is your lab test. This is what we grew out of your microbiology sample. And then this is what it’s sensitive to.” And so I go, “Okay, well, you need that antibiotic. Here you go.” Okay. Yeah, that… That’s… That was my microbiology experience through practice. Okay.

But I had to go back and review all that stuff. So I did. And I just… I got online because it was… Nothing was online back then when I was in school, but I was just able to get back on there and read articles and read journal articles on… I was pulling things from libraries because I have privileges at a hospital, or I did then. I don’t anymore, but I did then. So I had access to their library. So I would… I would send them, “Hey, I want to see this article. Give me the…” because I would read the abstract online. I’ll go, “I want to read this article.” So they would send me the article, and I’d usually get it within 12 to 24 hours.

And so that’s what I was doing. I mean, I did that throughout this whole time. And I realized that there were a lot of things, discrepancies, let’s say, and a lot of lies that I was getting out of Fauci and Birx and all the people that were talking about it. Every once in a while, you would hear something like a little bleep from Scott Atlas or Paul Alexander, who in the White House at that time, who were kind of like… they’re on our side, I guess.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Where they would say, “Hey, this… This really isn’t what’s happening.”

The Breast Cancer Analogy

So, I mean, I use the analogy a lot with what they told us about COVID with what I had a lot of experience with at that time, and that was breast cancer. So the analogy to me about no treatment for this disease was analogous to somebody coming to me as a plastic surgeon, as breast cancer surgeon, saying, “Hey, you have a lady here who’s got a small little nodule on her breast that we’ve either seen on mammogram or we felt through a physical examination. But we’re not going to do anything about that until it’s a big fungating wound and it’s eroded through her skin. And now you see, and you can feel lymph nodes in her groin. And we can do a CT scan and see that she’s got metastases to her brain and to her lungs.”

That was the analogy that I was using in explaining this to people. When we’re telling people that there’s no treatment for it, that’s…

TUCKER CARLSON: When you put it that way. It’s horrifying.

DR. KIRK MOORE: It is horrifying. It was an… And it was an absolute lie because there is treatment. We’ve always treated the flu, okay? Just because they supposedly found a new strain of the flu doesn’t mean that you don’t treat it right. And so that led me to understanding that, “Hey, there’s something nefarious going on here.”

The Medical Profession’s Failure

TUCKER CARLSON: But that’s even… I can understand your reasoning. Yeah, why didn’t 90% of doctors say, “Hey, we’re in the treatment business, that’s what we do. And all of a sudden they’re telling us on CNN we’re not allowed to treat this illness. That’s a problem.”

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. It’s actually more like 99%. Okay. It’s a very small percentage of us.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. I’ve never been to the doctor again, and I’m not. Because they so disgraced themselves. And I would very much like to see a lot of doctors stand trial for that. But that’ll never happen, of course. But anyway. But why didn’t… I mean, that’s so odd.

The Systematic Suppression of Alternative Treatments

DR. KIRK MOORE: So how they shut us down. I got kicked off of Facebook. I got kicked off of Twitter. I was posting articles of things that I was reading that at the time I could find. I’ve since gone back, and without going back to the Wayback Machine, it’s not there. So they’ve taken things, they’ve just completely whitewashed this stuff. And they were doing that. They were shutting us down.

All these docs out there, Vladimir Zelenko, who passed away from a pulmonary angiosarcoma. He was one of the first people that I listened to. He’s the one that sent that video to Donald Trump. He’s the one, I believe, that Donald Trump saw the video of and came out and spoke in favor of hydroxychloroquine.

And then right after that, Fauci, the little gnome, gets up there and goes, “Oh, this is just anecdotal, and hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work.” Do you know that he wrote an article back in 2007, 2008, espousing the benefits of using hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in the treatment of SARS?

SARS1, which is the disease in the early 2000s, has a 73% homology with SARS2, the virus that they claim that is out there right now. So, 73%. They actually did a study back in 2020, and they took a number of people. I want to say it wasn’t a very large number. It might have only been 10 people, but they had 10 people. Then they checked their serology, they checked their blood for antibodies to SARS1, and they found out that all 10 of those people also had immunity to SARS2.

There was an article that was published out there. I can’t find it anymore. But they checked their blood and they checked antibodies, and they checked to see whether, in a lab test, obviously, they didn’t infect these people or find the virus. But they checked it against a blood sample with somebody or a blood sample of the COVID disease, and they found that they killed the COVID disease, all 10 of them.

So if you survived SARS 1, and you had antibodies to it, which I’m sure it was circulating widely, and it’s a reason why not a lot of people died. They had immunity to SARS 2, but they didn’t want that out there. And that was the whole objective, is they don’t want that information out there because if there’s treatment, you can’t announce for. You can’t declare a state of emergency and get the emergency use authorization and then launch the COVID vaccine.

Global Coordination and Suspicious Patterns

I mentioned before that I had three things that I saw that were red flags to me. The first one was the treatment. The second one was every single country, every single government in the world was doing the exact same thing. You and I can’t agree on whether you want baked potatoes or sweet potatoes for Thanksgiving dinner, but yet you have 208 countries that are going to do the exact same thing when the. Everybody was in lockstep. Absolute. Everybody is doing the same thing. They’re taking these drugs off the market. Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are over the counter in France. And they got taken off the market.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, yeah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And we got the. I was ordering hydroxychloroquine for my office, and for about six months, eight months, I couldn’t get it. It’s gone. Just I couldn’t order it. I was on backorder. I had ordered some because I was having my patients come in, and I was treating them in the office with hydroxychloroquine. And I’m not allowed to dispense medications, but I was having them come in because they couldn’t get it.

I was writing so many prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine in March, late March, early April of 2020, that the pharmacies, the Walgreens pharmacies that I used a lot of in the town that I’m in right now, they called me and they said, “We don’t have any more. We can’t get anymore.” I had wiped them out of all their hydroxychloroquine without just writing it for my patients, my family, my friends and everybody else.

Because I was just like, “Hey, here’s Zelenko’s protocol” – hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, vitamin C, vitamin D, and zinc. And I was just telling everybody. I just took exactly what he did and what he was treating because I think he treated 800 patients by that time, and he’d only had one patient die. And that patient had only come to him more than three weeks out from starting, from getting sick.

Treatment Success Stories

None of his patients had died. None of my patients died. Everybody that I treated. And I treated people from 2020 until 2022, 2023. I’m still treating occasional patient for Covid. I’m not sure it exists, but I treat the symptoms, and I treat them all the same way. Not one of my patients died. Not one of them went to the hospital. Not one of them got intubated. Not one of them got any more sick.

As a matter of fact, I can’t tell you the number of times that somebody would call me and they would take a dose of ivermectin or take a dose of hydroxychloroquine, and within hours, they were like, “I can breathe. I can feel better.” Is it a placebo? I don’t know. But my point is, it happened over and over and over again. And like I said, none of these patients got sick.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’ve heard that from other physicians, the small number who prescribed that protocol and had similar results. What’s interesting about what you’re saying is that you believe that the treatment, specific treatments for Covid were banned by governments because they were effective.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah, because if they have a treatment, then they can’t announce or they can’t declare a state of emergency and have an emergency use authorization. That law requires that there is no treatment for them to then put. The third flag to me was the vaccine. Nothing’s going to get back to normal until you put a needle in everybody’s arm. 8.4 billion people on this earth need a needle in their arm in order to survive and to be a member and contributing member of society. So that was strike number three for me.

The Nicotine Connection

TUCKER CARLSON: I remember very early in 2020, there was a study out of China that showed that heavy cigarette smokers had a lower mortality rate, which was, like, kind of unforgettable. I mean, what it was. This is a respiratory illness, and smokers are doing better than not. Like, what is that? And the conclusion that they reached was that nicotine has some kind of prophylactic effect. I don’t. I never followed up, but I did notice that the European Union almost immediately banned online sales of nicotine pouches. What. What is that? I mean, you don’t want to let your brain go there, but, like.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, again, they’ll call it a conspiracy theory, but it’s not. It’s an actual.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, that’s a fact. I mean, that’s. I’m just saying what happened, but, like, what is that?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right? And it’s done on purpose because they want to launch this vaccine. That’s what they’re trying to do, man.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, that just raises a whole bunch of other questions that I’ve been mulling over for the past five years. But anyway, I’m sorry. I’m stepping on your story. So, okay, so you’re within two days of taking Covid seriously. Now, you flipped your view based on the evidence as a practicing physician. You start prescribing the Zelenko regimen to people. It works. And then the final red flag. The vaccine.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: What happened?

Early Vaccine Skepticism and Personal Experience

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, we start hearing about the vaccine. Probably, I don’t know, late spring, early summer, May, April. Well, late April, May ish. Of 2020 was when people are like, “Hey, I think we’re going to get a vaccine, and we’re going to have something in short order.”

And before I knew a whole bunch about it, I don’t even know if I’d heard the term operation warp speed. I mentioned earlier that I don’t really like vaccines. I don’t think they help. I’ve had arguments with friends, family. I’ve had arguments with colleagues that I no longer talk to over vaccines. I mean, it’s a cult, and they say that we’re a cult. People that believe in vaccines is a cult. It’s a belief system. It’s not based on science. It’s not based on anything.

I got my hepatitis B vaccine when I started Medical School in 1989. I got one shot. Within hours, I had shingles. I mean, a real bad patch of shingles in my left armpit. And it hurt like hell, And I just. But I remember it very distinctly. I didn’t get the second one. I didn’t get the third one. Nobody was chasing me down. Nobody. So just because I didn’t get it, I wasn’t, like, some pariah somewhere in there, too.

TUCKER CARLSON: But you had a demonstrable vaccine injury.

DR. KIRK MOORE: But I had. Well, what I felt was a vaccine injury. I mean, I’m just starting medical school. I don’t know, but I have enough common sense to know and to think that, “Hey, the timeliness of this, that I. What happened to me? Why am I getting a shingles eruption when I’ve never had shingles in my past?”

TUCKER CARLSON: And you’re a healthy man in your 20s.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I’m a healthy guy in my 20s. I’m playing soccer three days a week.

TUCKER CARLSON: You don’t have immune suppression.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I don’t have immune suppression that I’m aware of. I don’t have any problems, but I get this huge patch of shingles that hurt like hell. And so I just. I refused any other vaccine.

The Coercion Campaign

But at the time we’re talking, 1989, nobody’s chasing me now, you see people that are kind of like, you see the military, you hear stories. I just heard a story the other day of a guy who was in the army ROTC, did nothing but want to be in the army for his whole life. And he joined the army, and he was kicked out of the army because he was standing there with his CO, with paperwork that said, “If you don’t get this vaccine and we have to fire you or kick you out of the army, you are going to owe all this money back. Or you can take this needle.” That was exactly the state.

TUCKER CARLSON: They bow down before me, and all of this will be yours.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct. Look, and to his credit, he said no. And he signed the papers and he left. Funny story. They called him back just a year ago, and they’re down on some deployment in Mexico with his unit.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And they called him and said, “Where are you?” Like they expected him to be there.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, we gotta go fight the Houthis. Come on.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So anyway, but because he’s so into the army and really liked him, he actually ended up joining again. But my point being is.

TUCKER CARLSON: What a nice guy.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. I mean, certainly nicer than me. But that was the mentality back then where there was just kind of, “Okay, you don’t want it, you don’t have to have it. We’re just trying to do it for your best interest.” But there was no coercion. There’s no. Nobody’s forcing me to do anything.

Flip that around. The first person that I see is Bill Gates saying that, “Well, nothing’s going to be back to normal unless you get a needle in your arm.” Well, who the fuck’s Bill Gates?

TUCKER CARLSON: Is he a doctor?

DR. KIRK MOORE: So I. Well, I think he slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, so that’s like, kind of the irony here is that we were told for several years to trust the science and to listen to people who actually practice medicine. And you’re a man of science and you practice medicine, you’re a surgeon. So I would think that your opinion would have more weight than Bill Gates, who’s like some autistic rich guy who is really close to Jeffrey Epstein. What does he have to do with this?

The Credibility of Medical Bureaucrats

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, and not only that, but why not even more credence than. And I’m not saying that I have any more, you know, I mean, I’m no more of an expert than anybody else is from the standpoint of being a doctor. Okay, but why are some doctors being shut off in somewhere?

Well, you know, look, Anthony Fauci never took care of a patient in his life, okay? He did his residency at the NIH. He did his training at the NIH. He’s a federal bureaucrat, and he’s a bureaucrat, okay? Deborah Birx is the same way. I mean, she did some stuff in the military, but I think she was all administrative, never took care of patients.

And so all of a sudden we’re supposed to trust these people that never been on the front lines, never took care of patients, have never seen an illness, are just looking at it from the standpoint of reading a book or reading an article or listening to some podcast or going to some meetings or something like that, okay? And all of a sudden these are, you know, that they, you know, kind of like the media, proclaimed experts and all this.

I’ll tell you, before 2020, I’d been in practice exactly 19 years, okay? I graduated from medical school in 1993, all right? And then from 1993 to 2020, I had been to the CDC website to ask them advice on what I needed to do for my practice exactly zero times, okay?

TUCKER CARLSON: Zero.

DR. KIRK MOORE: There is never any reason for anybody, at least my perspective, to go to the CDC. I’m reading articles, I’m listening to my colleagues, I’m talking, you know, I go to meetings. I review cases with some of my friends and some of my colleagues about certain things, but I’ve never gone to the CDC.

TUCKER CARLSON: So a practicing physician trying to keep current with the science would have…

DR. KIRK MOORE: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: Which you are apparently doing. Would have no reason to consult CDC.

DR. KIRK MOORE: No, none. There’s nothing that the CDC is going to put out that is informative to me. Now maybe they put out stuff for maybe some pediatricians or family practice docs that maybe they follow or something like that.

TUCKER CARLSON: But, you know, well, they’re liars. I mean, they can’t even admit that Lyme was a bioweapon, okay? Which is very obvious to anyone who pays any attention at all. And all these, you know, so they’re liars. So they’re just discredited, I would say right there.

CDC’s Own COVID Data Contradicts Official Narrative

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, and you mentioned… Boy, you just made me think about something. And now I can’t think about it. I can’t remember what I was…

TUCKER CARLSON: Because you’re making…

DR. KIRK MOORE: Oh, oh, oh. The first, the even. The very first. One of the very first articles that was even put out on the CDC website about COVID, okay, about COVID said that of all the people that had supposedly died of COVID, okay, only 6% of them did not have a comorbidity, meaning that they… Only 6% of the people that they claimed to die from COVID actually died just with COVID, right.

TUCKER CARLSON: And the rest were in, like a motorcycle accident or stage four pancreatic cancer, right.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Or had two other comorbidities. The average comorbidity was 2.2. So in other words, they had two other diseases that were going on at the same time, just happened to have advanced COPD and diabetes or diabetes or, you know, or morbid obesity or something along those lines. And then they died of COVID. You know, the real answer is they may have died with COVID, okay. But they probably died from something else. And you mentioned that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, but I mean, okay, so you’re the professional science guy. If you catch someone lying, I mean, that, like, invalidates everything else, doesn’t it?

DR. KIRK MOORE: It should.

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, lying is the one thing that’s not allowed in science.

DR. KIRK MOORE: It’s science.

TUCKER CARLSON: The process is designed to be for honesty, right? For clarity. Like, we can’t lie about anything. I thought that was the whole point of science.

The Corruption of Medical Journals

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. So the whole point of science is not to lie. And the whole point is to never believe that there’s not something that can be improved on it. Science is never right, including to yourself.

TUCKER CARLSON: You can’t lie to yourself.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct. Science is never settled. And you know, a number of times where, you know, “well, this is settled science.” No, it’s not. Okay?

And I’ll tell you the… It’s a much bigger picture, okay? Big pharma, I call them “big harma.” Okay? They own everything, right? There’s a number of journals that have come out, or editors, past chief editors of journals. And we’re not talking just, you know, like some throwaway journals. We’re talking New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, British Medical Journal, okay? Some of the biggest journals in the world. Those are top three out of the top four that I just named. Journal of the American Medical Association is the other one.

But chief editors, in the last 20 years, at least six of them have come out and said that at least 50% of the science that’s published is fake. Come on, read their quotes. Marcia Angell is one of them. That I can remember her name. There’s a guy by the name of Richard something or other from the British Medical Journal who said the same thing. I just read an article about it just the other day. I’ll send it to you, because it just…

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m not surprised. I mean, the depth of corruption is stunning. And the fact that pretty much nothing’s been done about it makes you wonder, you know, how long this can all last. So back to your story, which I keep distracting you from. I’m sorry. You’re making me mad. So it’s hard to keep focused. So the vaccine is announced. What… How do you respond to that? What happens next?

Personal Vaccine Stance and Early Warnings

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, so for me, the vaccine was fine, because I was just telling all my patients, all my friends, all my family, just like I was doing from previous vaccines. So my daughter was only partially vaccinated. My son was not. I have only had one vaccine in the last 20 years and that was a yellow fever shot so that I can go on a humanitarian trip to go to Ghana. That was it. I tried to bribe the nurse to not give it to me and squirt it in the garbage so she wouldn’t do it. But I figured, hey, one shot maybe. Okay, I’ll be all right. I think I am. Some people argue.

But when it came out, I was just, you know, I’m just telling everybody, “don’t take it. It’s not worth it.” You know, we’ve been trying to find a vaccine for cancer for 100 years. We’ve been trying to find a vaccine for AIDS for the last 40. And now all of a sudden we’re going to find the vaccine for the common cold virus in less than nine months? That’s been with us since the dawn of time. No.

So I was just really happy just to tell everybody, “don’t take it. It’s not worth it, it’s experimental. Just stay away from it.” And I thought we were going to be just fine. And nobody wanted to give Donald Trump credit for the vaccine prior to the election. I’m sure you remember that.

TUCKER CARLSON: I do.

Political Flip-Flop on Vaccines

DR. KIRK MOORE: And then as soon as Biden gets elected, you know, they’re like, “I’ll never take that vaccine.” You know, Biden, Kamala Harris, like, “oh, that’s the Trump vaccine. No way, I’m not going to touch it.” January 20th of 2021 comes around all of a sudden, “oh, it’s, you know, everybody should get it. It’s the greatest thing” and all that.

And then when they found out that people were not, did not want it, they started forcing it and they started talking about, “well, it’s free, you should get it.” You see, “get your free donuts, get your free Happy Meal.” You know, all of this stuff that was out there trying to just convince people to get it. California is trying to pass laws so that 13-year-old kids could get it without their parents’ permission.

I mean, there was a case in Virginia, I believe, where a 13-year-old kid or 16-year-old kid actually told the doctor that he didn’t want it. The doctor gave it to him anyway and they ended up filing a lawsuit. And I think they lost that lawsuit. Actually the family won the lawsuit. Let’s say the doctor did lose that lawsuit.

But you know, that’s… but I was, okay, I’m just telling everybody, “don’t do it.” Then the mandates happen. “You’re not going to be able to go to school without a shot. You’re not going to be able to have a job without a shot. You’re not going to travel without a shot.” So people whose job depended on them traveling, “you’re not going to be able to stay in the military without getting your COVID shot.”

And the worst case to me was people that were mandated to get a potentially dangerous… Well, I already knew it was dangerous. I’d already met a number of people that had already been vaccine injured. There were 700 VAERS deaths that were reported.

Early Death Reports and VAERS Data

TUCKER CARLSON: I knew one of them in January 2021. I knew someone who dropped dead from it.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And there were 700 reported deaths in the month of January alone. Okay. Just in one month.

TUCKER CARLSON: And that’s VAERS, that’s self reporting.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Self reporting. Correct. Okay. Or self reported or reported by, you know, a physician actually. Physicians are actually required to report complications. Okay. It’s a law. You’re required to do that. They’ll get around it because they’ll say, “well I didn’t really think that it was… because the vaccine, we don’t know. I mean we didn’t really know. So I didn’t report it.”

But there were 700 reported cases. There was a Harvard study done in 2010, 2014, something like that that said that the VAERS reports under the VAERS, you know, VAERS under reports things by at least 1 to 10%. Okay. So that means we could have had… In the month of January, we could have had 7,000 deaths or 70,000 deaths at a 1% rate.

And there’s over 40,000 that are not over… Maybe I think we’re right at 40,000 now dead that have been reported since January of 21. Okay, so that means we either have 400,000 or 4 million deaths. Okay, according, just according to those numbers.

But again, so the mandates come out. And I said that the last straw for me, not straw, but I mean the last thing was when they were requiring people to get a transplant. If you want a transplant, you need a kidney transplant in order to survive. You’ve got to go get the COVID vaccine.

The Cruelest Medical Mandate

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So that’s why… So, you know, if I were running things, I would find out who made that decision and they’d be punished for it. They’d be on trial for that. I mean, that’s the cruelest thing I can imagine. We covered that. At the time, I couldn’t believe. That’s when you sort of lose faith in your country’s systems. If that’s the result. If someone can actually reach that conclusion and everyone around them is like, “yo, no good plan. Let’s have people die.” Unless they take this vax, which we’re supposedly giving because it’s life saving. “We’re going to just kill people if they won’t obey.” That’s the point where you’re like, like, we need a new system because that’s evil.

The Market Test for Medical Interventions

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, we live in a system where if something works, everybody wants it. If something is good, everybody’s going to pay for it and everybody’s going to want to have it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly right.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Okay. But when you’re coercing people and forcing people to do it, there’s got to be something wrong.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Okay. And I don’t know, we talked about this briefly earlier. I don’t know how, as a physician, you can feel comfortable injecting a product into somebody’s arm that you don’t even know what’s in it. Okay, the product, the question. The product data sheet, the safety data sheet that comes with it. You unfold it. It’s this thing folded up in this box.

TUCKER CARLSON: Origami.

The Blank Information Sheet

DR. KIRK MOORE: It’s like an origami. And you unfold it and it says “intentionally left blank” on the front and back. And so you have doctors that are taking that vial that’s in the same box, reconstituting it, and then injecting it into people’s arms. What did you just inject? What did you just give them? How do you know that it’s safe? Where’s the information? Where’s the data?

Because we’re talking 2020, 2021, right? There is no science, no data. Nothing has been published. And nothing was going to get published until Aaron Siri filed that FOIA request and that lawsuit and the government required it to be published over the course of the next nine months. So none of this information was even available until 2022. And we still don’t really know what’s in these products.

Everybody’s talking about the lipid nanoparticle. Everybody’s talking about the product, the mRNA, and all of that stuff that’s in these injections. All of the animal studies on the mRNA, all the animals died. And one of the last articles that I read on it said, “This is not ready for human use yet.” And now, nine months later, a year later, we’re injecting it into 8.4 billion people on this earth when it’s not ready for human use. And yet we’ve transitioned to giving it to every human. Because Anthony Fauci says that the science is settled and that he is Mr. Science.

TUCKER CARLSON: He is science itself.

DR. KIRK MOORE: He is science. Yeah.

The Moral Dilemma

TUCKER CARLSON: So your perspective is really clear. It’s obvious you feel a moral duty to do the right thing by your patients. The mandates come down. Where does that leave you?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, so that’s when I made a decision to do something. And my decision at that point was I signed up with the Utah health department to become a vaccine clinic. I’ve never given vaccines before, but I signed up, said that I can probably treat this number of people. They gave me the form to sign. We signed it. I became a vaccine provider for the COVID vaccine, and instead of giving the COVID vaccine, I gave saline shots to kids, and I just gave the cards to their parents.

TUCKER CARLSON: How hard was it for you to reach that decision, that conclusion that you’re willing to do that?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I truly thought that this was just a decision between my patients. They’re giving me a product to use that they want me to use, but I chose not to use it because I didn’t think that the science supported it. And my patients were coming to me and agreed with my assessment. And therefore, I gave them full, informed consent, and I would show them the sheet. A piece of paper says, “intentionally left blank.” Do you want me to inject this into your body? And anybody who’s got any common sense is going to say, no.

So you come to me as a patient and you say, “Hey, I have questions about this vaccine. Should I take it?” And I give you my professional opinion: all of the animals that they treated mRNA products with lipid nanoparticles with died. They said that it wasn’t ready for human use. Nine months later saying, now it’s ready for human use in spite of the fact that we don’t have any human studies in between this, and we don’t know what the studies are that they have done. And here’s your product data sheet that says it’s intentionally left blank. Would you like me to inject this into your arm? Anybody with common sense is going to say, no, thank you.

And so I didn’t. And I truly thought that I was taking care of my patient, full informed consent. I’m abiding by my Hippocratic oath because like you, we just talked about this. We already knew that a lot of people had died. You knew somebody personally in January 2021 that killed over dead. I didn’t know anybody personally at that time. I knew some people that had been injured from it. I did not know anybody personally.

But I’m looking at the numbers. I mean, 700 people. The average number of people, I think, that have been reported, deaths reported for all vaccines combined per month was probably in the low double digits prior to January 2021. In one month, we have 700 that are reported. 19,000 adverse events. By April, that number was 1,700 dead, reported to VAERS at a 1% to 10% number. So we’re talking about 17,000 to 170,000 people by April of that, just three months later.

The Foundation of Informed Consent

TUCKER CARLSON: Can you explain informed consent? My understanding was informed consent. The idea came out of or was certainly bolstered by the experience of the Nuremberg trials. And we learned that the Nazi medical program, which really was one of the worst things about Nazi Germany, was the way physicians treated patients. Murdered a lot of them. But after that, the American Medical Association made a really clear statement about the moral requirement and legal requirement for doctors to tell their patients the potential consequences of the treatment. Is that informed consent?

DR. KIRK MOORE: That’s informed consent, correct.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s informed consent. You have a right to know.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, you have a right to know, and I have a right to tell you. I mean, I have to tell you.

TUCKER CARLSON: You have an obligation.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I have an obligation to tell you. Not just the right. I have an obligation to tell you. Hey, look, this is what I think your treatment should be. First of all, you’re coming to me with these symptoms, and I’m telling you what I think that it is. And then this is what I propose as a treatment. And this treatment has these side effects and has these potential benefits. That’s informed consent, across the board.

And I’ve been doing that for years. I mean, I can’t go to surgery without informed consent. I have a 5-page informed consent form for my surgeries. Whatever surgery it is that I’m doing, this is the risk. This is what I’m doing. And this is the reasons why we’re doing it. This is what you agree to doing. But these are the risks that are involved with that. I do it every single day. And that’s part of medicine. That’s part of what we were taught. It’s part of the legal side of medicine, too. If I don’t do informed consent to my patients and then they have a complication and they sue me and there’s no informed consent on the chart, I’m screwed.

TUCKER CARLSON: As you should be.

DR. KIRK MOORE: But why aren’t we. Why was nobody in this case. Nobody’s given informed consent. How do you give informed consent on something that you don’t even know what’s in. I mean, that to me is the one of the number one things. And I’m just sitting here going, but.

The Missing Medical Standard

TUCKER CARLSON: Where are all the other doctors. I mean, so you’re describing a system that was in place pre-COVID in which informed consent is the very center of the process. Like, you don’t get to cut on somebody ever without this formal process. Like, here are the potential consequences. But everybody, every doctor knows this. Right?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right, right. And it’s supposed to be for medications, it’s supposed to be for vaccines, it’s supposed to be for injections.

TUCKER CARLSON: Any treatment.

DR. KIRK MOORE: For any treatment. Correct.

TUCKER CARLSON: But every doctor does this.

DR. KIRK MOORE: They’re supposed to.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s required by law.

DR. KIRK MOORE: It is required.

TUCKER CARLSON: So all of a sudden, you have every doctor participating in this vaccine program, effectively.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: And this is the one treatment that doesn’t require informed consent. And you’re the only one who notices this? I mean, what.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I’m not the only one that noticed that. There were a lot of people that.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, I know, but.

DR. KIRK MOORE: No, I get it. But you know what? This is the problem with vaccines. You don’t get informed consent even with any vaccine. You go in and talk to your doctor about the DPT vaccine, or you go in and talk to them about the Hep B vaccine. But now, by the way, I talked to you about before, Hep B vaccine was given to me when I was 24 years old when I started medical school. Because I was an at-risk person. When it’s given now, day one of birth. Day one of birth.

TUCKER CARLSON: You are an at-risk person because you were dealing with body fluids as a physician.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right. And you can be infected. But why. But now in the 35 years since it’s required for every child born in the United States.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yes, they get one on day one of birth, they get another one a month later, and they get another one six months later. And that’s because it’s a captive audience. That’s the only reason. How many babies are going to be IV drug abusers or go out, have unprotected sex or get a blood transfusion from somebody who’s infected? And by the way, some of the pediatricians will tell you, “Well, mom could have had hepatitis B and therefore you’re trying to prevent the baby from getting it.” Well, mom was tested for hepatitis during a pregnancy, so you would have known if they had hepatitis and hepatitis B. And so then you would have been able to either treat it or do something about it or maybe prophylaxis.

The Financial Incentive

TUCKER CARLSON: Why would pediatricians go along with that?

DR. KIRK MOORE: They, to put it bluntly, money.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why are they allowed to practice medicine with those attitudes? No, I’m serious. Why doesn’t the FBI raid their offices? If they’re giving infants treatment that the infant doesn’t need, that has potentially harmful consequences and they’re doing it for money, then they’re criminals.

DR. KIRK MOORE: You’re absolutely right. And not only are they doing it for money, but they don’t even know what it is that they’re doing. You know, the average. There’s two hepatitis B vaccines that are in the United States right now that are in use. Do you know what the long term, the follow up study on those two hepatitis B vaccines is? Four days for one, five days for the other four day follow up on one five day follow up.

TUCKER CARLSON: Where’s the longitudinal study?

DR. KIRK MOORE: They haven’t done it. How can that be? That’s the vaccine industry in 1986 when they got liability protection.

TUCKER CARLSON: Liability protection.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Liability protection. Correct, sorry. When they got full liability protection.

TUCKER CARLSON: The one that you don’t have and that I don’t have. But only Albert Bourla.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Nobody else that I know of has this right.

TUCKER CARLSON: In the world.

DR. KIRK MOORE: In the world. In any industry. Nobody but the pharmaceutical companies do on.

TUCKER CARLSON: All vaccines because it’s life saving. But you can live without vaccines. You can’t live without food.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I’ve never known of a baby that was born with a vaccine deficiency. Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: But I’m just saying, like, why don’t the food, you know, one of the big ag companies, why doesn’t your family farm have full liability protection? Because, I mean, talk about a lifesaving industry.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: But they don’t have it. No, only the vaccine makers have it.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And Ronald Reagan, I think he, there’s a quote saying that it was probably one of the laws that he signed that he regretted signing.

TUCKER CARLSON: For what it’s worth, it wasn’t a great second term.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I would say it was not. No.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. Anyway, I don’t want to be mean like Ronald Reagan, I guess, but.

DR. KIRK MOORE: No, I do too. I’m not against. Yeah, but nobody’s perfect.

TUCKER CARLSON: What is that? What is that? A lot of these laws were signed by Republicans.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yes, the PREP Act was signed.

TUCKER CARLSON: It does make you want another party, actually. Whatever. But that’s not the scope of this interview, doctor. Okay, so there’s no informed consent for any vaccine given. Is your point correct?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Because there’s never. There are no long term studies on any vaccines and there are actually no placebo controlled studies on any current vaccines that are on the market right now.

TUCKER CARLSON: Now, come on.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Not one current vaccine that is on the children’s schedule has ever been studied against a placebo.

TUCKER CARLSON: But I thought that that was a prerequisite.

The Circular Logic of Vaccine Safety

DR. KIRK MOORE: It is a prerequisite for science. It is a prerequisite for science and it’s not been done.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

DR. KIRK MOORE: In a nutshell, they put out something, they will do a short term study on something, they will proclaim that it’s safe and effective and when they put it on the childhood vaccine schedule, they will then use that fact that it’s on the schedule as an ethical moral foundation. That if you don’t, because they’ve declared it safe and effective, they will use that as a moral foundation to say you cannot safely or ethically withhold it from.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s safe because it’s safe.

DR. KIRK MOORE: It’s safe because it’s safe. And it’s effective because it’s safe. And it’s effective because it’s effective. And you can’t keep it from babies and you can’t keep it from anybody.

TUCKER CARLSON: This is why logic needs to be a requirement in school.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right?

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s safe because we said it’s safe.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct.

TUCKER CARLSON: Therefore it’s so safe by definition. It’s safe because we declared it safe.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Safe.

TUCKER CARLSON: That we can’t. Testing for its safety would be a violation of safety.

DR. KIRK MOORE: What would be violation of safety? And it would be, it would be an ethical and moral, you know, threshold that we do not want to cover.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right. It would be immoral to find out if it’s actually safe because the process of finding out would require us to withhold it from certain people.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct.

TUCKER CARLSON: Which is immoral. Holy. That is. Okay, so. So I always say of doctors, and again, there’s probably no group I dislike more in the world than doctors just because I think they’ve really misused their authority and fallen so short. But I always say to myself, anyway, having known a lot of doctors, they’re all smart. I mean, it’s pretty hard to get into med school, it’s hard to go get through residency, all the rest. But now you’re convincing me that a lot of them must not be smart because that’s just like basic logic right there.

The Captured Medical Publishing Industry

DR. KIRK MOORE: It is basic logic. Unfortunately, they’ve been brainwashed into believing that they are safe and effective and not all of them will go back and look at the science. It takes time, it takes effort, it takes an ability. You end up, you know, you kind of get into this, you get into this routine in your life where, you know, you trust the people that are coming to you and trust them that the studies that they’re giving you are appropriate and that they’re true and they’re not fake.

And then, and the evidence that they’re showing you is, is, you know, is the, is the correct evidence. We already talked about, you know, half of the evidence, at least half of the evidence that is being published. Look, it’s, it’s a, it’s a captured industry. The people that are making the drugs are the ones that study the drugs and then are the ones that publish the results.

The New England Journal of Medicine, the Journal of American Medical Association, the British Medical Journal and the Lancet, all those top four journals from 2020 to 2022, when you go through a peer review process and you submit your journals to them to be reviewed to get published, those reviewers were paid $1.06 billion in three years by the pharmaceutical industry. And that’s a number that’s out there that’s just recently been published. $1.06 billion was given to those people that reviewed those journal articles for publication.

TUCKER CARLSON: Those are the peers in the peer reviewed study.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct?

TUCKER CARLSON: The peers are all on the take.

DR. KIRK MOORE: They’re all on the take. And they were also given research grants. And the average research grant, average research grant was $153,000.

TUCKER CARLSON: By pharma.

DR. KIRK MOORE: By pharma. So they do the study, they design a study, they pay the study investigators, they collate the data and pay the people that are reviewing it for publication in the journal that they own. Essentially, they own because the journals get money on. The majority of their money. They get money is on preprints or on reprints.

So the pharmaceutical companies will pay the journal X amount of money for a reprint. And they give those reprints to then give them out to doctor’s offices through their pharmaceutical representatives that go out to the offices, go walk into a pre, you know, into a pediatrician office and hand out six preprints or, sorry, reprints. And I give them these reprints that they’ve paid for from the pharmacy or from the journals. And that’s how these journals. The majority of their money comes from these reprints. It’s such a closed system. It’s just astonishing and it’s astounding.

TUCKER CARLSON: But you’re the criminal here. I just want to remind you.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I know. Yeah, thank. Please don’t do that anymore.

TUCKER CARLSON: Just want to reorient your moral universe a little bit. You, Dr. Criminal. So the mandates come. You are registered with the state of Utah as a vaccine dispensary or as a physician.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Vaccine provider. Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Provides vaccines. Your patients come, you give them, to the extent you can, all the information that you have about these products. There’s not a lot, but you tell them what you know and then you give them the option because it’s their body, their choice about whether or not to take the vaccine. Where’s the. Okay, so this is obviously you’re serving your patients. I wish you’d been in my neighborhood at the time. How do you get in trouble for that?

The Federal Task Force Raid

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, because I didn’t do what they wanted me to do.

TUCKER CARLSON: Who’s they?

DR. KIRK MOORE: The government. So you made a very good astute comment. I went to the state health department in Utah to become a vaccine provider, but yet the federal government came after me. So In January of 2023, on January 11, I had 10 or 11 officers show up in my office. They didn’t have their guns drawn like they did with Roger Stone.

TUCKER CARLSON: What kind of officers?

DR. KIRK MOORE: FBI? HHS? It was the OIG’s office of the HHS and DHS. Department of Homeland Security. They. They love having their task forces, so they established a task force. So they established a task force sometime in 2022 because they heard about me providing these saline shots and Covid cards without a shot. So they showed up in January, served it in January 23rd, and they served a search warrant on me and on my office manager for our phones. They confiscated our phones?

TUCKER CARLSON: Like your cell phone? They took your cell phone?

DR. KIRK MOORE: They took my cell phone.

TUCKER CARLSON: What if you just say no?

DR. KIRK MOORE: No. Well, they had a search warrant. So they had a legal.

TUCKER CARLSON: How about no? All this all fake. They have a search warrant, okay? You and your fake government. Back off.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, I tried that and I’ll tell you that later.

TUCKER CARLSON: I have a search warrant. Safe and effective search warrant.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, and then they tried to get me to open up my phone so that they could access it. They actually never did get into my phone because they didn’t have the password and Apple. So what did you say? I just said, said no. Said, “I don’t know my password. I’m not going to give it to you.”

TUCKER CARLSON: What did they say?

DR. KIRK MOORE: They said, well, they, they actually said, “Well, it could go a lot easier on you if…” I said no, no, thanks. It’s going to be hard enough. It’s going to be hard enough as it is anyway. But, but it was funny because I, I’m sure just.

TUCKER CARLSON: I just want to linger on this point for one second. So you’re. You’re like a physician practicing medicine. The FBI shows up with a task force at your office. What did you think?

The Shock of Federal Agents at a Medical Office

DR. KIRK MOORE: Think? Well, my office manager came back to my office all in a panic, you know, completely, you know, white faced, said, “The FBI is here.” And I said, “What are they here for?”

TUCKER CARLSON: You had no warning.

DR. KIRK MOORE: No warning. And she said, “Well, they’re here to serve. They want your phone. And my phone, it’s a search warrant.” And I go, “Oh, okay. Did they tell you what it’s about?” And she’s like, “No.” I go around to the front and they’re sitting there talking to Sandra. Who was. That was Carrie. And they were sitting there talking to Sandra at the front desk and they were trying to get her to, you know, to spill the beans on stuff. They were just questioning her. And, and Sandra was just, you know, “I. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know.” Just, you know, doing, you know, doing the right thing, really. Just not answering any questions.

TUCKER CARLSON: I like Sandra, just, Karen, go, Sandra.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And. And so anyway, so they served a search warrant. They took my phone. They took car’s phone.

TUCKER CARLSON: And you never gave him the password?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I never gave him the password. There is a.

TUCKER CARLSON: They just walk on. They could just show up and walk off with your phone?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: People keep a lot of personal stuff on their phone.

DR. KIRK MOORE: A lot of personal. I do not.

TUCKER CARLSON: But I’m just saying.

DR. KIRK MOORE: You don’t anymore, the average.

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t. No, I’ve had. Had my phone taken, so. I know, but yeah, just. Just a quick sidebar. If you’re involved in any job that’s even remotely controversial, do not keep personal stuff on your phone.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Sorry.

TUCKER CARLSON: Everyone should know that. Anyway, don’t go to any website that you wouldn’t want your mom to know about. Just stay clean digitally. That would be my strong advice. So. Wow, that’s totally crazy. So how did you response? They just come in, they take your phones, and then.

Legal Representation and Phone Security

DR. KIRK MOORE: So I called my attorney. My attorney showed up. I mean, he’s not a criminal attorney. He was just my real estate guy. You know, he shows up.

TUCKER CARLSON: Doing a.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Title search, like, “Hey, what’s. What’s wrong with this contract here?” But, you know, and he was. He was good. He just said, “Hey, look, Kirk, don’t say anything. Just, you know,” and so we gave him my phone. And. And like I said, they never got into mine. They do have a program that can kind of get into phones, but it takes probably three or four years of the operating system in order for them to hack into it. So my phone was still new enough to where they weren’t able to get into it even, you know, up to the. You know, up to January or July of this year.

TUCKER CARLSON: So I think we need some way to, like, blow up your phone the second the FBI start knocking.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, there is a way that you can do that now. Not blow it up. No, you heard about that once in. Was it Israel, whatever, where they had the. Where they actually had something in it, where they could actually make the thing catch on fire?

TUCKER CARLSON: No, but I want that.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So there was something that they did that they put in the cell phones. I don’t know if it was Apple phones or if it was the Android versions or what, but they had something in there that they had that they supposedly put in the phones and then given them to some terrorists or something, and they were able to kind of make the phone blow up. You didn’t hear about that?

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, they’re. Or the pagers.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Oh, was it pagers?

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, yeah, it was the pagers.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Oh, I thought it was. Okay. Sorry about that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, yeah. So blew the genitals off a thousand people simultaneously. So, no, that. I don’t know that there’s any, like, domestically available.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, but you can actually erase your phone. You can. If you. If you lose your phone, you can get. If it’s an iPhone. Then you can actually get on it, and you can. And you say, “I lost my phone. It’s permanently lost.” And you can. You can erase everything else there. Did you do so? I did not. Because I didn’t want to get in trouble for that, for tampering with evidence or, you know, whatever evidence.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay.

DR. KIRK MOORE: But I did not do it.

TUCKER CARLSON: So when did you learn what you’re going to be charged with?

Learning About the Indictment Through a Reputation Company

DR. KIRK MOORE: A week later, I learned about it in an email that I got from a reputation website that published an article by heavy.com that had seen something on the DOJ, that the DOJ had announced the indictment. I never got served. I never got paperwork. I never got subpoena. I never. Nope. And I, you know, I actually. None of us did.

TUCKER CARLSON: So you first heard from some company that, like, repairs damaged reputations? Yes. From, like, Harvey Weinstein’s publicist, basically. “Now that you’re a bad person, you should hire us.”

DR. KIRK MOORE: “You should hire us to help you.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Are you serious?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. So it was a heavy.com article that was kind of regurgitating what the DOJ had said in their press release.

TUCKER CARLSON: But no one had ever sent you the press release or informed you?

DR. KIRK MOORE: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: What country is this?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I think we still live in the United States.

TUCKER CARLSON: Barely.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. Wow.

FBI Raid During Patient Hours

TUCKER CARLSON: Wow, wow. Yeah. By the way, do you have any patients in the office when the FBI barged in?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Oh, that’s a good. On Wednesday. Yeah, we would have had patients in the office.

TUCKER CARLSON: They must have been surprised.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. Well, you know, as a plastic surgery business, I typically don’t have a lot of patients in there all at once. So, you know, it’s a pretty private kind of, you know, scenario. We have, you know, one or two patients per hour that kind of come in at, you know, at any given time. Sometimes we’re a lot busier, but on a Wednesday, on our consult days, you know, it’s typically pretty slow. So I don’t remember, but they were probably.

TUCKER CARLSON: I bet they remember. I bet they never forget it. It’s hilarious. Sorry. I know. Not for you. So what were you charged with?

The Charges: Fraud and Counterfeiting

DR. KIRK MOORE: So I was charged with fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud because there was more than one of us. And counterfeiting.

TUCKER CARLSON: Counterfeiting.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Counterfeiting. Because I filled out cards when I didn’t put the COVID vaccine lot number and the date that it was supposedly injected and then signed.

TUCKER CARLSON: So this was like. There were a lot of cases like this in the 1850s where, like, a runaway slave would show up at somebody’s house and they’d harbor the slave and they would get charged. Right. And there was a huge theological debate about this at the time, of course, culminating in the John Brown murders. And, I mean, there was a lot of debate. It wasn’t just John Brown, but about whether it’s ethical to violate an immoral law.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: And that must be a conversation you had, at least with yourself.

No Laws Requiring Vaccination

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, the conversation that I had with myself was, “I’m taking care of my patient.” There were no Covid laws. There were no laws that require me to inject anybody with anything. And so my discussion with myself was exactly that. Said “I’m not breaking any laws.” So I don’t really understand why they’re coming after me. That’s one. And then two, there were.

TUCKER CARLSON: There was never a law. You’re right.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Never a law. And 2.

TUCKER CARLSON: So what law did you violate if there was no.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, they were claiming fraud. That they had given me $28,000 worth of product, and I had. And I was told to use it in a certain way, and I didn’t use it in the way that they wanted me to.

TUCKER CARLSON: What’d you do with it, by the way?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Just throw way.

Disposing of the Vaccines

TUCKER CARLSON: How big is a $28,000 item? Lot of COVID vacs?

DR. KIRK MOORE: It was 2,270 doses is what I had ordered.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, so was that like. Could you fit that in a duffel bag?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah, they’re small vials. They’re about an inch tall by, you know, three quarters of an inch.

TUCKER CARLSON: And you just tossed them in the garbage?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah, we just covered them, as a matter of fact. I mean, Carrie, my office manager, she would order the product. It would get delivered to the office by UPS or FedEx or whatever. She would sign for it, and then she told me. And I didn’t know this at the time, but in order to keep anybody from actually using them, she would take them home immediately. And then from home, she would just throw them away.

So we had. There was another employee of mine that supposedly had told the FBI in something or interview that she didn’t agree with what it was that we were doing and thought that her daughter should have gotten her Covid shot. And so she went in there and drew one up and gave it to herself because we weren’t going to give it to her. And that was a total lie because we never had any of the COVID vaccine in the office.

How the FBI Found Out

TUCKER CARLSON: So how did you. Is she the one who ratted you out to the feds in the first place?

DR. KIRK MOORE: The way they found out about it is a lady was completely anti Covid and anti Vax. Told her office, told her staff, told everybody that she worked with her HR department, everybody, that she would never get the vax, she’d rather quit, get fired, whatever. And then one day she shows up with a card from my office. And so then they called the Utah Health Department and said her office did. Yes, her office.

TUCKER CARLSON: What kind of office was it?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I think it was a utility office in California. I’m not positive about that. And, you know, so they called the Utah Health Department and the Utah Health Department, then I guess in turn called the FBI. And we found this out during the trial that the first thing that the Utah Health Department was supposed to do upon hearing that somebody was not using their Covid vaccines properly was they were supposed to shut us down. And if they weren’t going to shut us down, then they should have at least done a site review on it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Or call you and say, “Hey, is it true that you’re not dispensing the vaccine?”

The Government’s Sting Operation

DR. KIRK MOORE: But they didn’t do anything. They got ahold of the FBI right away. And so then that was again part of the whole scheme on their part. So they’re claiming I had a scheme and my scheme was to save. I didn’t want to murder or maim my patients. Okay? That was my scheme. Their scheme was to try to catch me. And then. And that’s what they did. They ran a sting operation on me, had two police officers come in and get a Covid card. Both of them without a shot. They had to, you know.

TUCKER CARLSON: So did you consult with them?

DR. KIRK MOORE: No, I did not. I hardly saw. None of these patients came in to get a COVID vaccine. They all knew what we were doing. It was a word of mouth thing. I never kept any patient from getting a vaccine if they wanted it. Okay. And I never gave a vaccine to somebody who didn’t want it. But everybody that was coming to me was coming to me because I was giving fake cards. They knew it, they wanted it. I didn’t have to talk to them. They’d done all their own research. If they had any questions, they would ask me.

Tucker’s Fake Vaccine Card

TUCKER CARLSON: And I wish I’d known. I had a friend who printed a bunch of fake vax cards. I was proud to carry a fake vax card around the world.

DR. KIRK MOORE: World.

TUCKER CARLSON: In the various countries and.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, you did an interview with Ed Dowd about that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: In January of 23. January, February of 23. I think it was on your Fox Nation show.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, I felt guilty about. I only, I actually only showed it one time. In one country. But I felt guilty. I felt like I should be man enough to be like, “I’m not getting that.” And, and just. But I.

DR. KIRK MOORE: But you can’t, you know, you have the whole system that’s out against you.

TUCKER CARLSON: I know. I just felt like. And it’s whispering for doing that. And I felt like a real man would just stand up. I can’t imagine my father, like, having a fake vax card “buzz off.” But I did anyway. But I just. God bless everyone who provided fake vax cards. And I just want to thank you to your face for doing that. It’s. What a wonderful service and a truly ethical thing to do. But you’re facing life in prison for doing it. So you get indicted. When do you find out that the penalty is life?

The Charges and Donations to Charity

DR. KIRK MOORE: Life? Well, so originally the penalty was total of 15 years max if I had been convicted on all charges. They were also accusing me of making money. And they. I wasn’t doing anything. So initially in the summer of 21, I was just giving cards out. And, you know, anybody who wanted them was giving them out. If they came in with a kid, then I would do a saline shot on their kid.

Eventually, that card kind of changed the routine, changed a little bit. Where some people get nervous, “Hey, you’re just doing this so freely. You’re going to get caught and somebody’s going to say that you did something wrong or whatever, and you run the risk.” And again, I still fell back on, “What am I doing wrong? I’m taking care of my patients. This is what they want. They’re coming in, they have full informed consent and everything else. There’s no Covid law,” and there’s no Covid law. Right.

But eventually we got convinced that, “Look, we got to start screening people.” And so that’s where Chris comes in, my other co defendant. And so she starts screening people. And in addition to that, we had people that were saying, “Hey, you know, Kirk or Dr. Moore, you know, you’re not taking any payment on this. What can we do to help, you know, help you?”

And I said, “Well, look, there’s this organization that is trying to change the laws here in the state of Utah to prevent this from ever happening again.” And I’d been to their meetings and I was kind of doing what I could to help. I was testifying in Congress or at our state, you know, state house and senate committee hearings to try to get laws passed to take away the right of our health department and our county council to force mandates indefinitely on anybody. And so we had passed some laws.

And so I knew what this organization was doing, and so I said, “Look, if you have. If you want to do something, please donate to this organization.” And they said, “Well, how much?” I said, “Well, typically people are charging their insurance companies about 50 bucks for a shot, so just donate $50 to this organization.” And I would have them put a little orange. I don’t know where I came up with an orange. I have them put an orange in their Zelle or Venmo payment or whatever so that, you know that. So that HIA who was the organization would know what it was.

And so we did that. And the government claimed that I did that for everybody. So all 1,937 patients that got listed to the Utah state information immunization information system were claiming that those were people that had come to my office, that we had put their name on the list and said that they got a Covid shot. So they were saying that out of that, at $50 a piece, it’s like $96,000. Plus the 28 grand that they gave me in product was $128,000 worth. Over $124,000.

TUCKER CARLSON: That money, you said it went to charity. It didn’t go to you.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct. I didn’t get a dime. Okay. But they were trying to claim that I was making money somehow, okay? And they did. And they, you know, they did that, but then they had to take that charge away. Okay?

The FBI Agent Drug Dealer

So here’s funny story. The second police officer that came in to do this thing, operation on me to confirm what had happened to his quote, unquote girlfriend, okay? He got busted for selling bath salts. So he was an FBI agent that was stealing bath salts from a confiscated, you know, raid and then taking some of it and then turning around and selling it.

TUCKER CARLSON: No way. He’s a drug dealer.

DR. KIRK MOORE: He’s a drug dealer. Okay, so they had.

TUCKER CARLSON: He was an FBI agent.

DR. KIRK MOORE: He’s an FBI agent. Yep.

FBI Targeting Medical Professionals

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m not surprised, actually. I mean, you’re an f. I couldn’t have a lower opinion of FBI agents in general. Not all, but most. But if they tell you, okay, we’re going to do a sting operation on a physician who’s decided as a practicing medical doctor that he doesn’t want to give the COVID vaccine. Your job is to bust him. If you’re going along with that, it’s voluntary. You don’t have to do it if you don’t want to. You’re a low person. Like, you’re a disgusting person. Like, check yourself. What am I? Is this why I got into the FBI? To bust doctors for not prescribing an untested vaccine.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. I mean, they don’t look at it that way.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, I know they don’t.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I mean, the whole government scenario, everything that they’re. Again, this is not about justice, okay? It’s not about the truth, okay? It’s just about winning. And it’s about. When it came to me in my case, it came to be about proving a point. Okay? They wanted to prove that to other doctors. This is what happens to you, okay? When you mess with us, when you with us and everything else, this is what’s going to happen to you. It didn’t matter whether it was the right thing.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s a display of power.

DR. KIRK MOORE: It didn’t matter that I had not hurt any patient. It didn’t matter that I was. That I’m a plastic surgeon doing house calls and I’m saving people’s lives, okay? And that I literally take people out of the hospital, get them off the remdesivir that they. They were in, give them high dose steroids, give them ivermectin and everything else, and now they’re still alive and not six feet under, okay?

And I did that on two or three occasions and I didn’t charge a dime to anybody for doing this. That doesn’t matter to them, okay? What mattered to them was you didn’t do what we told you to do. And therefore we are going to hold your feet to the fire and we are going to prove and we’re going to make it hurt so much to you, and we’re going to show the world that if they ever were to try this, that this is what’s going to happen.

TUCKER CARLSON: Sadomasochis, they’re. They’re in the dominant position. They’ve got the whip hand and they.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Want you to know it and they ruin you financially. They spend all this money they. They. They make you spend. I had to hire an attorney for my business, okay? For my business. Does my business speak? Okay? Do they get up? Can you. Can I take my business and put my business on the stand and ask them why my business did this? Okay, but no, I had to hire at a time attorney and spend a buttload of freaking money, okay, to pay my attorney to just sit there in trial, okay? That’s our system.

TUCKER CARLSON: What do you think it cost you?

DR. KIRK MOORE: If I add up the bills, it was somewhere between seven and 800 grand, which is not as expensive as what some other cases are. But I lost a lot of money out of my business, too. I mean, just think about the time and effort and the lack of, you know, the loss of focus.

I mean, I used to just work, right? I mean, I just. I’d go to the office, I’d take care of my patients, I’d advertise, I’d market. I would, you know, be there for them and do everything. I didn’t have anything else. I didn’t have all this extraneous stuff that I’m thinking about. But now I’m. The only thing I’m thinking about is how do I keep myself out of jail, how do I provide for my family?

So. Yeah. Oh, so you asked me before. So. And we got off subject. So when that officer got caught, all the data and evidence and everything that they had in the original indictment had to be removed. So what they did, because it turns.

TUCKER CARLSON: Out the FBI was a drug dealer.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So they had to take all that out. But then what they did was, is they added another charge of destruction of government property and evidence tampering, which added another 20 years to my sentence.

TUCKER CARLSON: 20 years?

DR. KIRK MOORE: 20 years. Evidence tampering.

TUCKER CARLSON: What was the government property that you destroyed?

DR. KIRK MOORE: The vaccine. They claimed that even though they gave me a product, so the ultimate Indian givers, okay, they gave me a product and that it was sitting in my freezer that they had given to me, and that until I injected it into a patient’s arm, that they own that product because they gave it to me, because they paid for it and they gave it to me as the custodian. I guess they’re going to put you.

TUCKER CARLSON: In prison for 20 years for.

DR. KIRK MOORE: For that they were going to put me in jail for. Yeah. If I destroyed that property. Correct. They were going to. That was going to. Additional 20 years of property of what kind of prosecutor?

TUCKER CARLSON: And you’re in your late 50s by this point?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah, I turned 60 this year. Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: What was the total sentence you were facing?

DR. KIRK MOORE: 35 years.

TUCKER CARLSON: So I put you in prison until 95 till you’re dead.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right. So what kind of. So at some point, a prosecutor had to decide on what the maximum penalty would be. That’s a judgment called subjective, right?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, no, the maximum penalty is the judge. So if I’d have been sentenced, then.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course the judge determines that. But the prosecutor decides which charges he’s going to bring.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: And he knows what penalty is attached to those charges.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct. They hated me, but, like, they looked at me with such disdain.

The Federal Prosecutors

TUCKER CARLSON: Please name these prosecutors and tell us who they were.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So, Todd Bouton Todd Bouton?

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: B o u T o n. B.

TUCKER CARLSON: O u t o n. Who is Todd Bouton?

DR. KIRK MOORE: So Todd Bouton came from California in the prosecutor’s office in California. He’d only been in. He’s only been in Utah. Well, at the time that he had me under indictment, it had only been there about a year, I think.

TUCKER CARLSON: He’s a federal prosecutor.

DR. KIRK MOORE: He’s a federal prosecutor.

TUCKER CARLSON: So he was in the U.S. attorney’s office.

DR. KIRK MOORE: U.S. attorney’s office in Salt Lake City. Yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: Todd Boughton. How old is. Todd Bouton is.

DR. KIRK MOORE: 50, 48.

TUCKER CARLSON: And Todd Bouton was, do you think, one of the prime movers behind this?

DR. KIRK MOORE: He was the lead prosecutor on this case.

TUCKER CARLSON: Lead prosecutor, okay.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So I don’t know if it got assigned to him or if he chose it or if he. But he hated me. I mean, he looked at me with such distinct.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I don’t know.

TUCKER CARLSON: Todd Bouton. Does he still work at the Department of Justice?

DR. KIRK MOORE: He does.

TUCKER CARLSON: How can Todd Bouton still have a job at the DOJ? I would think draining the swamp would require firing Todd Bouton day one, but that’s just my view. Okay. And I’m again stepping in your story, too. Okay. There was Todd. BO was lead prosecutor. Who else?

DR. KIRK MOORE: So Jacob Strain was his boss or.

TUCKER CARLSON: Jacob Strain.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. So Jacob. And then S T R A I n and he was. He’s the senior. Senior prosecutor in that. But he was taking a backseat to Todd Bouton. Todd Bouton was leading, you know, leading the charge. And Jacob Strain has been in that office in Salt Lake for a long time.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is he still there?

DR. KIRK MOORE: He’s still there as well? Yes, he’s still there.

TUCKER CARLSON: How.

DR. KIRK MOORE: This was just one of many cases that they had of this.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of this kind.

Comparing Cases: Fake COVID Cards vs. Medical Dissent

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, they. I don’t know if you heard about that one case that they had where they. There were people that were selling Covid cards on Ebay. There was a guy in Utah. Of course, there’s a guy in Utah and a guy in New York. And between the two of them, they sold 140,000 cards.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

DR. KIRK MOORE: On ebay that they had just printed. They’d gone to Kinko’s. I don’t know if Kinko still exists, but my point, you know, they went to a printing company where they printed them at home, made covet cards, stamped them, and. And we’re selling them for 10 bucks a piece. These guys made $1.4 million, God bless them. And they got convicted. They got a year in jail on a $40,000 fine. That was their conviction. They took a plea deal. Okay.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do they actually do the time?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I don’t know. I think so. Okay. But a year in jail and $40,000 fine. And then the same prosecutor, so, Todd Boughton, same guy, okay, took those guys and he got that plea deal and he’s taking me to trial and trying to put me in jail for 35 years.

TUCKER CARLSON: And you’re a physician?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I made no money. Money, okay. I made no money. I didn’t charge anybody anything. I made no money. I asked people to donate to an organization that was helping pass laws in the state of Utah that I, you know, that, that we supported as an organization and everything else. And yet he, you know, they never offered me a plea ever. I would not have taken one if they had. They. But I, but they never even came.

TUCKER CARLSON: They give pleas to child monsters all the time.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yes, all the time.

TUCKER CARLSON: All the time.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Let’s cut it down to a decent exposure and we’re fine. Had you ever been in trouble with the law?

Previous Legal Issues

DR. KIRK MOORE: So I had a. Had a case four or five years ago where I got accused of insurance fraud of filing a false insurance claim and that I had three of my, my employees turn me in, even though it wasn’t true. But I had to take a plea deal on that because I had three people against me for, you know, for me, for one. So I took a misdemeanor, you know, charge.

TUCKER CARLSON: And did you lose your medical license?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I had it suspended for. Well, on paper, suspended for two years. But they, but it was, but. So they suspended, but gave it back to me under probation. And so I did an 18 month probation. Never got in trouble. I’ve never been in trouble prior to that at all.

So I got accused of. I had a trailer that was stolen from my office parking lot, and the trailer had a whole bunch of stuff in it, some of which I knew, some of which I didn’t. I had just moved into my office and we’re moving stuff in, moving stuff out. I came from an office that was 5,800 square feet to an office that was just under 4. So we had a lot of stuff that just didn’t fit.

And so I had my sister out who’s kind of helping with interior design, and so we’re moving stuff in and out, and I didn’t know what was in the trailer, what was not, and everything else. And so I, I put a lot of things on the insurance claim and some of which I took off later, some of which I didn’t. But my, my staff that I had fired. Accused me of, you know, fraudulently making claims on my insurance.

And I didn’t. If I did, it was a mistake because I didn’t know. You know, I didn’t really. I truly didn’t know what was on there. I do know that there were at least, you know, there was a couple of boxes of medical charts on there, and there was a whole bunch of medical supplies and, you know, and those kinds of things. So. But I just.

TUCKER CARLSON: So it wasn’t an insurance claim related to your medical practice?

DR. KIRK MOORE: No, no, it had nothing to do with that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh. So, okay, so what happened next? You’re facing life in prison for this. They do not offer you a plea deal. You wouldn’t have taken it anyway. You said, but how long did this drag out and how did it end?

DR. KIRK MOORE: So we. I went to jail twice.

TUCKER CARLSON: You went to jail?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I went to jail twice.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Remember at the beginning when you said.

Government Overreach and Jail Time

TUCKER CARLSON: How does he get a tattoo? Join a gang?

DR. KIRK MOORE: No tattoos, no gang. But remember when you said, why did you give them your phone? Because the government. You’re not really. They don’t, you know, it’s your government. Well, I challenged the jurisdiction of my government, and they didn’t like that challenge, so they threw me in jail.

TUCKER CARLSON: They threw you in, like, actual jail?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yep. 12 days case.

TUCKER CARLSON: Come on now.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: What jail?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I was at the Logan County Jail. Logan. In the sheriff’s department, whatever.

TUCKER CARLSON: Were you the only surgeon in the cell block?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Oh, yeah, I think it was the only. I was the only white collar there. Only white collar guy there at all. Everybody else was drug addicts, and there were some murders and rapists.

TUCKER CARLSON: And you spent 12 days in jail?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I spent 12 days in jail that time, yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, because I challenged their jurisdiction. I filed a motion that said that they don’t have jurisdiction over me. And, you know, trying to go. Some people claim it’s like the sovereign citizen or state, national route or, you know, whatever. Basically, I was just saying, you know, you guys are overstepping your bounds here.

TUCKER CARLSON: You don’t have the authority to do this.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And you don’t have the authority to do this. And they didn’t like that. So the judge says, “I don’t like you, and I don’t like what it is that you’re doing.” And he threw me in jail.

TUCKER CARLSON: Who’s the judge?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Judge Bennett. Jared Bennett.

Family Impact and House Arrest

TUCKER CARLSON: That is totally bonkers. What did your family say?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, they were like, “Dad, what can you do to get out of jail?” So I, in order to do that, I had to fire my attorneys and everything else and go pro se, which means defending yourself. And then, and so then I had to hire an attorney to then file a motion to say that I had, I reneged on what it was that I said before. I don’t believe in that. It was, you know, it was a mistake on my part. So please let me out of jail so I can take care of my family. And so they did. They put me on an ankle monitor for 90 days.

TUCKER CARLSON: What?

DR. KIRK MOORE: And I was on house arrest. And I could go from my office to…

TUCKER CARLSON: Is this true?

DR. KIRK MOORE: This is true. It’s true. Absolutely. All of it is. I have pictures. I was even accused of being a, of being a consider of con, of continuing my conspiracy theory because I was told that I said that my ankle monitor probably had a microphone and transmitter in it, and I was covering it with a towel so people couldn’t listen.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, your iPhone definitely does. So, like, why is it crazy to think your ankle monitor does?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I don’t think I said that, but even if I did, I mean, the point. That’s true, but the point is, they brought that up in court to try to keep me in jail because you’re not allowed to have conspiracy theories.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re allowed to think whatever the fuck you want in this country, by the way. Not you.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Not anymore.

Contemplating Resistance

TUCKER CARLSON: So did you ever, because I’m a few years younger than you were, basically the same generation and went to similar high schools in the similar region. So I get, I know what your world, I mean, I know the world that you grew up in. Did you ever think, like, “I’m just not going to participate. I’m not going to do this. Like, I’m armed and come and come and get me?”

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, by this time. Well, no, actually, by that. Yeah. Did I think about it?

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, you could see how you could become Randy Weaver really quick.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yes, I did. I think about that. That the absolute qu. The absolute thing is.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes, of course.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So I’m literally thinking, okay, how do I board out my windows? Yeah. Okay. How do I put little holes in it, you know, 100%. You’re absolutely right. That I think about it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. I’m not suggesting that anyone do that. Like, they murdered Randy Weaver’s wife and child and dog. Like, you don’t win going Branch Davidian, but ever. However, I certainly understand the impulse.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: Especially if you grew up in a free country. You’re like, “Well, you can’t do this.”

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

Life in Jail

TUCKER CARLSON: What was 12 days in jail like?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, the first four days I was in. So they have a rule when you get into jail at Logan, the Logan County Jail there, that you have to do 48 hours. Your first 48 hours is in solitary confinement because they want to make sure that you’re not tweaking on drugs and that you’re not going to freak out. And so before you go to your regular cell block that…

TUCKER CARLSON: Speaking on drugs, you’re a surgeon, like, what the…

DR. KIRK MOORE: I didn’t get any special treatment there either one way or the other. Okay? But the rule also said that it’s 48 hours. They did this to me on the Friday afternoon before Memorial Day weekend. So my 48 hours didn’t start clicking until Tuesday morning at 7 o’clock. So I was in solitary confinement Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night, and Monday night. Okay? I got out of my cell for one hour a day.

And because I was in this, you know, this whatever state, I can’t remember what they called it with the state, you know, what they do for that, that solitary confinement state for that 48 hours. But it doesn’t start till then. So then they gave me a benefit is that on Tuesday afternoon at like 4 o’clock. They said, “Okay, well, you know, we’ll move you to your cell block.” And so then they moved me from there to kind of award a pod with a bunch of bunk beds and 26 or 27 other cellmates in there, which was obviously a lot better because you can have some communication and talk to people. And I had phone access and everything else.

TUCKER CARLSON: What were those days in solitary like?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Boring. They would bring you out of your cell to eat literally for 20 minutes, and then they’d send you. And then they would combine your lunch or your dinner on alternating days with your one hour of time where you could just kind of walk around in the cell block. How was food books? Food was, I don’t know, jail food. Just plastic trays with a plastic fork that, you know, if you put too much on your plastic fork, it would collapse because it couldn’t be stiff enough for you to use it as a weapon. You know, it was green beans, corn, hot dogs. I think there were a couple times where we had a burger, but it was.

So that was my first time in jail. My second time in jail was I got. The marshal service showed up. So we had. So I got my ankle monitor off at the end of the summer of 2022. Okay, no, sorry, ankle monitor.

Political Silence and Continued Persecution

TUCKER CARLSON: And this is so crazy. I just want to, like, what about the politicians in your state? The supposedly…

DR. KIRK MOORE: Nobody said a word. Nobody said a word at that time.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s the most shameful period in American history by far.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And so I…

TUCKER CARLSON: By the way, if those people ever take power again, this will be every day.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Every day.

TUCKER CARLSON: Those people are really dangerous.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. So I get my ankle monitor off, like end of August, beginning of September of 2023. So now I’m kind of like, last thing I want to do is kind of rock the boat and do anything.

TUCKER CARLSON: Ankle monitor. Do you have to shower with it and keep it on?

DR. KIRK MOORE: It’s on. It’s just. They strap this thing on and if you cut it off, it sends like some sort of, you know, it’s got a really loud beep and siren or something in it.

TUCKER CARLSON: So it’s like a dog collar, like you’re an animal.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right, right.

TUCKER CARLSON: They put a tag in your ear.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Not. No, not yet. They didn’t. They didn’t get to that point yet.

Legal Defense Restrictions

So following that, we had a motion to. We filed a motion to dismiss my case based upon the Chevron doctrine and how the CDC was overstepping their bounds. The judge denied.

TUCKER CARLSON: No legislative authority.

DR. KIRK MOORE: They have no legislative authority. None.

TUCKER CARLSON: There’s no law.

DR. KIRK MOORE: There’s no law. There’s no legislative.

TUCKER CARLSON: By the Pharisees. Yep.

DR. KIRK MOORE: But the judge didn’t grant our motion to dismiss. They had a motion simultaneously to preclude me from using a necessity defense. And basically a necessity defense is that what the treatment is that I was doing was less dangerous than the treatment that was the alternative.

TUCKER CARLSON: Correct.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And which I truly believed was true. The judge granted.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why else would you do it?

DR. KIRK MOORE: The judge granted them that motion, which then meant that I couldn’t bring in any patients that came to me and talk them about the reasons why.

TUCKER CARLSON: Wait, they can tell you what defense you can offer?

DR. KIRK MOORE: That’s another really good question, Tucker.

TUCKER CARLSON: How do they get to decide what your defense is? I mean, what is going on?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah, I mean, that’s exactly my. I had almost the same exact, you know, motion was emotion, which was. I laughed and giggled and was like, “I thought I lived in the United States and I’m allowed to present any defense that I want to.” But no, in this case, a necessity defense was not permitted. So that means I couldn’t bring any vaccine injured patients in to talk about who decides.

TUCKER CARLSON: The judge decided this.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So the, so I had a magistrate judge, and he was. That was Judge Bennett who threw me in jail the first time. Okay. And then we had this motion to dismiss. So any dispositive motions go to your actual district judge. Okay. So the district judge that heard my case is, you know, is different than the magistrate judge, and then his name is Howard Nielsen.

And so Judge Nielsen heard my motion to dismiss and heard their motion for necessity. He denied my motion to dismiss and he upheld their motion for the necessity defense. So that means I could not bring in any patients that wanted the treatment that they got and have them tell their story why they came to me. I could not present any data or evidence in support of the reasons why I treated people the way I did. I couldn’t bring in any experts to also support all that.

So I couldn’t bring in the Peter McCulloughs and the Mary Tally Bowdens and you know, Pierre Corey’s and anybody else in there to help me with my case. And you know, and you know, a real good friend of mine, Jim Thorpe, wouldn’t, you know, none of these people. I couldn’t bring anybody in as an expert witness on my behalf. And then I couldn’t bring in any patients that had been vaccine injured. So all the people that I know that were vaccine injured to kind of help prove my case. So I was precluded from doing any of that. So that was on the 19th of October.

TUCKER CARLSON: So they just, just to restate, they charge you with these crimes, they threaten you with life in prison, they throw you in jail for 12 days to start, and then they decide what your defense can be.

The Betrayal and Second Arrest

TUCKER CARLSON: How did they know?

DR. KIRK MOORE: One of the people that I was communicating turned me in. So my ex office manager gave them a copy of the text messages.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why did she do that?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Because she wanted out of the case. So she took a plea deal. And she took a plea deal for.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, she’s going to have to live with that.

DR. KIRK MOORE: She was going to have to live with that. She’s ultimately not a very nice person, and so I don’t know that it’s really going to give her that much harm.

TUCKER CARLSON: I hope it does. So what happened? The US Marshals show up.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So the US Marshals show up. Put me in chains. Ankle chains, actually. Actually, ankle chains and cuffs behind my back with chains connected between my ankles and feet because I was such a flight risk. Took me to jail, and I spent 22 days in jail that time.

TUCKER CARLSON: Are you serious? Same jail.

DR. KIRK MOORE: No, different jail this time. So I had to learn a whole new routine.

Family Struggles and Financial Ruin

TUCKER CARLSON: What was your family saying at this point?

DR. KIRK MOORE: What are they saying? You know, they’re struggling, obviously. It’s, you know, I’m the breadwinner in the family. You know, I’m not making any money. And, you know, my fiancé now is kind of trying to keep things afloat. My parents are doing whatever they can to kind of communicate with my attorneys and do anything and all.

TUCKER CARLSON: And you’re, like, 59 years old at this point.

DR. KIRK MOORE: 59 years old. And, you know, like I said, I’m barely surviving in my practice anyway. And with a federal indictment hanging over you, nobody wants to really have a lot to do with you. So it was hard. It’s really hard.

Had to sell. I owned a house, summer house, with a really good friend of mine and had to sell out my partnership on it that I’d owned for 17 years. And it was, you know, it was a getaway for us. We loved it. It was a place up in Bear Lake. And, you know, I had to sell out from that. But the money that I got from that went. It was all gone in, like, three weeks to lawyers. All to lawyers. Or to pay off my business expenses.

I mean, I was in jail for 22 days. I didn’t get any income. None. I’m not able to advertise. And so I can’t, you know, all my money, all my discretionary money was going towards my attorneys or fees or this or, you know, running my business or, you know, or anything. And, you know, so it was. Those 22 days were really hard.

Selective Prosecution

I got out the. So here’s more here’s more of an example of them coming after me. I told you that in May of 2023, I filed that motion kind of as a state, national, sovereign guy, you know, government doesn’t have jurisdiction over me. I filed the same motion as Carrie did. The exact same motion. We just changed the name on the motion. Both of us filed it. They put me in jail for 12 days. They let her go home.

TUCKER CARLSON: Carrie would be the woman who ratted you out?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yes. And then later when I went to jail the second time and it was Carrie and Chris and myself in this three way text. And Carrie was the one that turned it in, so obviously she’s not going to go to jail. But they arrested Chris too. And two days later, we had a hearing in terms of the disposition. Are we going to let them go again or, you know, are we going to keep them in jail? Well, they let her go and they kept me in jail for the exact same violation, but because I’d had that previous violation. I’m now considered a flight risk and a danger to the community.

TUCKER CARLSON: Danger to the community.

DR. KIRK MOORE: To the community. The prosecutor said it in the hearing.

TUCKER CARLSON: Which prosecutor?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Todd Bouton.

TUCKER CARLSON: Todd Bouton, who is still. I’m really going to try to make a note to myself to just say his name as often as I can until he loses his job and doesn’t get hired at a big white shoe law firm and rewarded for this. Todd Bouton. Okay.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. So I was a danger to the community and I’m a flight risk. In spite of the fact that, you know, I’ve got no property anywhere else. The only property I have is in my town. I have my kids going to school there. My mom lives in my part of the time, you know, everything else, there’s no, you know, flight risk for what?

TUCKER CARLSON: Also, who cares?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I don’t have my passport.

TUCKER CARLSON: Who cares? You didn’t do anything wrong. We got 50 million illegals in the country. Drug cartels control huge parts of the southwestern United States. Like, this is so crazy. I can’t even believe this is real.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right. And I look, and I’m not the only one.

TUCKER CARLSON: If, you know, if you fled the United States, the only loser would be the United States. We need people like. No, I’m serious. Like, like I. Flight risk.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Flight risk and a danger to the community. What am I going to do to the community? Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: So you think Todd Bouton still works at the U.S. attorney’s office?

DR. KIRK MOORE: In as far as I know. I mean, I. You know, but yes, I do.

TUCKER CARLSON: Think your senators should know that. I think. I think if Senator Lee knew that.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, he does know that. He was at my. So he was at my meeting that I had with, you know, Attorney General Bow Body, you know, a few weeks ago. So he knows.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, well, I think they should fire Todd Bouton immediately because this is such an abusive power, just crushing a man, and no one comes to your aid.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

22 Days in Solitary Confinement

TUCKER CARLSON: What was the 22 days in jail like this.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So this time was actually a little bit harder. Last time I told you, remember, I had, like, four days in solitary, and then I had the other eight days or so kind of in a ward where you’re out and you can talk to people. This time I was in. I was in the Salt Lake county jail system. Same sheriff’s department, but they just had different rules.

And all federal inmates in that jail can never get below medium security. Medium security is four hours a day out of your cell, and the rest is in your cell, and you can’t go outside. You get books delivered once a month. You get commissary that you can order online or whatever. You have a tablet that you have access to during your 4 hours of out time.

But they had some sort of an electric problem in the grid with control of the cells, doors, and everything else that they had cut our time down to two hours of day. So I was in my cell 22 out of 24 hours for those full.

TUCKER CARLSON: 22 days in a cell with, like.

DR. KIRK MOORE: In a cell, an 8×10 cell, 7×10 cell. Yeah. 22 out of 24 hours.

TUCKER CARLSON: What did that do to you?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Two things. I think the first thing that it did to me is it built up my resilience that I wasn’t going to let them mess with me anymore.

TUCKER CARLSON: Good.

DR. KIRK MOORE: You know, that it just didn’t matter what they’re going to do to me, that I’m going to fight back.

The Prison Industrial Complex Exposed

And then the second thing that it did is it made me realize how much of a scam the jail system is. Because my first cellmate in there was an illegal. Nice kid, didn’t speak much English. He was only my cell for 24 hours. But that poor guy had supposedly had two DUIs that he didn’t even know about. They never pulled him over for driving. They just issued a DUI warrant out for him. He didn’t even know that those DUI warrants were out for him.

The third time, he did get pulled over for DUI, and for some reason, they felt like he was a maximum security guy, they put him in maximum security where he was in lockdown for two and a half months. A guy who’s 23 years old who made some mistakes driving a car once, don’t even know about his first two cases. They’re not even cases that he never got pulled over. They just, somebody said, “Hey, he’s been drinking and that’s the car that he was driving.” But they put him. How is that guy a max security record risk? It’s a scam.

These jails go around and all they do, it’s a per capita count. And morning and night, they want to know how many people are in each ward and in each, you know, medium, moderate, I mean, you know, minimal security, medium security and high security or max security, whatever, and they get more money. That’s all it is. It’s just a money scam and a money grubbing operation. That’s all it is.

The day that I got released, there were 17 people in my time block. And I think I want to say there were about two hour time blocks for get released because they get, they let you get out of your jail, they take you to this desk, you sign your forms, you get your clothes, you get the stuff that they arrested you with and all of that stuff. It takes about two hours to process a certain number of people.

There are 17 of us total in that two hour time block, 13 out of 17 of those had nowhere to go, nowhere. No family, no friends, nothing. They got a bus pass to take them down to wherever it is they want. A single one, like a one way bus pass. Where do you think those guys are going to go? Right back to where they were before, you know, right back to what it was. And in 48 hours they’re going to be right back where they are.

There was no attempt at all to help these people to do anything. Nothing. And that’s why I’m saying you just realize that it’s just such a scam for these people. Just that they want the recidivism and they. If the recidivism.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Drops below 90%, then they’re hurting. So they want to do whatever it is that they can to kind of make sure that those.

TUCKER CARLSON: This country’s too big. You can’t treat people as human beings. The government’s too big. It’s all unsustainable. It’s like the scale is just not. Yeah, you either have to go full 1984 and just facial recognition to go to the bathroom. Like you have to have, like totalitarian control or, you know, you wind up with this where it’s just people get crushed. Crushed right in the gears.

And now it. Wow, this is a really racing story. So you get out of jail the second time. Again, I just want to remind our. Anyone who’s made it this far in the conversation, your crime was not prescribing the COVID vaccine, not giving. Administering the COVID vaccine. Right, Right. Yeah. Then what happens? Then your trial is still in process.

The Superseding Indictment

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yeah. So we get out of jail or I get out of jail. And now we’re planning on going to trial. I mean, there’s a whole other story behind it, but it’s, you know, it’s kind of long. And we finally are scheduled for trial to go in July. They do that superseding indictment this July. So July, just last month. Yeah, like six weeks ago. And they did that superseding indictment where they had to take out that other agents, you know, because he turned out.

TUCKER CARLSON: To be a drug dealer. But you’re the criminal.

DR. KIRK MOORE: But I’m criminal.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So they do the superseding indictment, add the 20 years to the evidence tampering charge.

TUCKER CARLSON: Todd Bouton is the one who added 20 years.

The Weaponization Work Group Response

DR. KIRK MOORE: Todd Bouton added the 20 years.

TUCKER CARLSON: Someone’s got to pay for this. And I think it should be Todd Bowen.

DR. KIRK MOORE: But they did all of this before Donald Trump was inaugurated because they were worried. They actually wanted me to go to trial before the inauguration because we were originally scheduled to go to trial on January 15th. So they wanted the trial to start before Trump was going to be inaugurated because they felt that Trump was going to pull the plug on this.

Well, Donald Trump gets inaugurated after the superseding indictment and he announces that weaponization work group that was for the January 6th people. And then Pam Bondi comes in and she puts the weaponization work group together and she assigns the people that are supposed to go on this committee. It’s the deputy Attorney General, it’s the assistant Attorney for Civil Rights, the assistant Attorney for Legal Services, and then a number of other people that are on this committee.

So as soon as they do that, we submit a packet to them to this weaponization work group. Because one of the things in that announcement was that we’re going to go after any of the weaponization cases of the previous administration. And I was just like, well, we fit in this category. I mean, they’ve weaponized the whole thing.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, you think?

DR. KIRK MOORE: So we go through that, we submit this packet, we get an answer back. We had to then go to the Acting U.S. attorney in the state of Utah to ask him whether he would dismiss the case voluntarily without sending it to the weaponization work group. He said, “No, we’re not planning on dismissing it.” So we sent that off back up to the DOJ in Washington D.C.

TUCKER CARLSON: The Assistant Attorney General of Utah was not going to dismiss it.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So the acting U.S. Attorney, John Vitti, was not going to dismiss the case. He says, “No, we think we have a good case. We think we can win it. We’re not planning on dismissing the case.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Who is he?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, he’s the acting U.S. Attorney that took over for Trina Higgins, who got fired.

TUCKER CARLSON: U.S. attorney.

DR. KIRK MOORE: U.S. attorney.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: What did I say?

TUCKER CARLSON: Attorney General.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

TUCKER CARLSON: Acting U.S. attorney. The head federal prosecutor.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Head federal prosecutor, yes. Sorry about that. So the acting U.S. attorney said, “No, we’re not going to dismiss the case.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Is he still the acting U.S. attorney?

DR. KIRK MOORE: He’s still the acting U.S. attorney there, yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: How?

DR. KIRK MOORE: None of these people get fired.

TUCKER CARLSON: What is going on?

DR. KIRK MOORE: None of these people get fired. They don’t.

TUCKER CARLSON: This level of cruelty to a fellow American, to an American citizen is just disqualifying. It should be.

DR. KIRK MOORE: It should be. I’ve had this conversation with friends of mine. What happened to the humanity of our society? What happened to crushing people?

TUCKER CARLSON: And they’re not even bad people. I mean, in a world with a lot of bad people, by the way.

DR. KIRK MOORE: There are a lot of bad people out there. But again, this is a system that’s built on winning. It’s not built on justice, it’s not built on truth. It’s built on winning. And when they see a case that they can win, then they’re going to go after you. And they really thought that they were going to win and they really wanted to win because they really wanted to show, “Don’t mess with us because this is what’s going to happen to you.”

The Weaponization Work Group Denial

TUCKER CARLSON: That brings up levels of hostility in me that I feel guilty about. So, okay, so as of six weeks ago, you were on trial for your life.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yes. So we filed this with the weaponization work group. Eventually the weaponization work group said, “No, we’re not going to intervene in this case.”

TUCKER CARLSON: What?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

DR. KIRK MOORE: That’s a really good question. I don’t know why. I got my email from the DOJ in D.C. or my attorney got the email probably within a few days or within a week. And I don’t know if it’s just coincidence. Do you remember Ed Martin? Ed Martin was nominated for the D.C. court. And one of our senators, I think, said he wouldn’t vote for him. I can’t remember who it was.

TUCKER CARLSON: No. He’s been in this room telling a story.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Oh, okay. So anyway, so his nomination gets pulled, and then the very next day he gets assigned as the pardons attorney at the DOJ. About that time was when I got notified that they weren’t going to take my case. I don’t think Ed Martin knew about my case at the time.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’d be surprised.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And that’s what I’ve heard as well. But I just don’t think he had enough time to get in there and figure things out. I mean, it takes time.

TUCKER CARLSON: They take the effective ones out immediately. They know who you are. They can smell it on you.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So anyway, and I don’t think that my case ever made it to the committee. I think my case was headed off before it got to the committee. I can’t prove that. I don’t know that.

The Fundamental Right to Medical Practice

TUCKER CARLSON: Doctors have an inalienable right to choose the treatment they deem most effective for their own patients. That’s just a foundational fact of American medicine, and it has to remain that. And by the way, they’ve lectured us on that for my entire life, 40 years. “It’s between a doctor and his patients.” Okay, all right, now.

And they not only stripped that right from you and from your patients, they threw you in jail twice and then tried to send you away for life for exercising a foundational right. So that’s all I would need to know if I was on that working group or that committee or whatever they call it. It’s like, “No, this is outrageous. And anyone who prosecuted this guy is fired immediately.” That’s just not hard. This is not a tough one. This is not a “let’s split the baby” situation.

DR. KIRK MOORE: You and I have common sense. And you’re right. You don’t need to split the baby in this case. I didn’t keep anybody from being vaccinated that wanted to be vaccinated.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And I didn’t vaccinate the people that didn’t want to be vaccinated.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly. Thank you.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And I took care of my patients the way they were in front of me. And I didn’t fool anybody. It’s not like I was telling them that I was doing something when I wasn’t.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s not like you told them the vaccine was safe and effective and would prevent transmission of COVID. Because there were quite a few doctors who did that. That’s called fraud, and none of them has been indicted for it.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right, right.

TUCKER CARLSON: Sorry. I almost have to bring this to a close because you’re making me so mad. I fear for my cardiovascular health.

The Trial Begins

DR. KIRK MOORE: So in the end, it gets denied. Like I said, I then go to trial. July 7th was the beginning of the trial.

TUCKER CARLSON: Like a bad dream, dude.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So I go to trial. There was a small rally for us the day our trial started. We actually had the speaker of the House of the State of Utah there on our behalf.

TUCKER CARLSON: Good.

DR. KIRK MOORE: A couple of other politicians were there as well. Carrie Ann Lisbee, Kristen Chevrier gave her support. And there were a couple people that had run for the House, US House, that were there. So people that were pretty well known, and they formed a rally for us with signs and everything supporting us.

We had jury selection for three days. During that time, Ed Zahl, who was one of the producers for the movie “Died Suddenly,” was there, and he was documenting everything. He was doing video and pictures and cameras. He was writing down notes. He was in the courthouse for all five days. And he published an article midweek that basically accused Pam Bondi of personally prosecuting me because it’s her DOJ that was letting this go, and she should know better. That article went viral. Got picked up by Marjorie Taylor Greene, got picked up by Thomas Massie and Senator Lee. And then we had another larger rally on Friday, and my son spoke at both of those rallies. One of his speeches went viral. 1.7 million views.

TUCKER CARLSON: The three members of Congress I love. Okay, I’m so glad to hear that.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And so we’re in trial by this time. I actually got accused of jury tampering because we reposted the links to the rallies that were happening. The prosecutors accused us of jury tampering. Thankfully, the judge shot them down and said, “I think we still have a First Amendment in our country.”

Government Witnesses Call Citizens “The Enemy”

So then trial goes through Friday. I thought we had done a really nice job. I mean, their witnesses were the director of the CDC Covid task force, a guy by the name of Chris Duggar. And he called us the enemy. The people that were vaccine hesitant, the vaccine people were the enemy. He said that in court, that we were the enemy. That they had to change their policies because the anti-vax people were the enemy.

TUCKER CARLSON: The enemy of the American citizens.

DR. KIRK MOORE: The American citizens were the enemy.

TUCKER CARLSON: The federal agency is calling American citizens the enemy because they disagree. So you just shut it down. I mean, I don’t understand.

DR. KIRK MOORE: We had the director of BARDA, Gary Disbrow, the director of BARDA. I wish I could remember these acronyms, what it stands for. But essentially they were the ones that were in charge of the pharmaceutical companies getting the COVID shots and determining whether they were going to get what and everything else. And looking at, quote unquote, “safety” and all of the stuff of these Covid vaccines and giving them the license to be able to distribute these products. And he was the director of that.

The interesting thing was, is that he came all the way across from Washington D.C. to testify in my case. And there was a contract that he said that he was intimately involved in negotiating between the Department of Defense and the pharmaceutical companies. They tried to submit this contract redacted. We objected. “You can’t submit a redacted contract.” The judge said, “You’re right. Get the contract unredacted or you can’t do it.”

They actually got the contract unredacted and then they decided to not present the contract. I don’t know what was in the contract. My attorneys do because it was attorney’s eyes only. But my supposition, my speculation is that I think a couple things. One is I think that the contract predated Covid. That’s my speculation is that this contract started the negotiations sometime in 2019.

TUCKER CARLSON: Just getting ready.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And then it showed how involved our government was, our Department of Defense was in terms of development and manufacture and everything else of this vaccine. And I believe that it showed that they did everything and then they just slapped the labels on it for the pharmaceutical companies.

Operation Warp Speed: A Military Operation

TUCKER CARLSON: It was called Operation Warp Speed. Operation. Who does operations? Are pharmaceutical companies going to do operations now? They do product rollouts. Does Pfizer do operations? I don’t think so. They’re not occupying any countries. So the US Military does operations. That’s who does operations.

DR. KIRK MOORE: That’s why it was run by General Perna. Operation Warp Speed was run by a general in our military.

TUCKER CARLSON: Pardon my ignorance in this interview. Ignorance has really helped me because I’m shocked by everything you’ve said. And your case got almost no publicity outside of Utah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: They didn’t want publicity.

The Legal Battle Continues

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, well, it. You didn’t get any. I would have been on it a lot earlier if I’d known it was happening.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I tried to. At the very beginning of my indictment, I tried to get my indictment pushed back because I didn’t even have an attorney yet. So we’re talking about January 23rd. So January 26th was when it was our arraignment. Our arraignment was January 26th.

And I tried to get it pushed back because I didn’t have an attorney. And I was told at the time that, no, we can’t push it back because we have media there and everything else, and we don’t want to change the date. So we will assign you an attorney for your arraignment only.

When I showed up for my arraignment, there were exactly zero mainstream media people there. We had a rally that day, too. We had a couple hundred people that were out on the steps that were there supporting us and everything else because we had put out the word.

But I truly believe that even though we were told that the media was supposed to be there, they didn’t want to delay it any further because they didn’t want to give us the opportunity to get more media publicity, to have more people there. So they didn’t want media. That’s why they were going against the necessity defense. They didn’t want us to put the COVID vaccine on trial. They didn’t want us to put all this evidence that we could have put.

The COVID Vaccine at the Center

TUCKER CARLSON: Into the COVID vaccine is the center of the story. The government property you were indicted for destroying was the COVID vaccine. The reason that you didn’t want to administer the COVID vaccine because you thought the COVID vaccine was ineffective at best and poison at worse. The whole story is the COVID vaccine, correct? Right.

DR. KIRK MOORE: But we weren’t allowed to talk.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. In our system, they can indict you, threaten you with life in prison, throw you in jail twice, and then decide how you can defend yourself.

DR. KIRK MOORE: So one last thing that I’ll tell you, and that’ll get your blood boiling.

TUCKER CARLSON: Going even further, I can’t handle anymore, Doctor.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right before trial started, the prosecution filed four more motions, and basically they were a motion. So in our country, fraud requires intentions, intent. You have to. Intent. You have to intentionally defraud somebody. You have to have the intent that you’re taking money from somebody that you’re telling you you’re going to do something and you didn’t do it or you’re going to abuse it for some other reason, and that was your intent.

So they filed four more motions that the judge actually didn’t deny to preclude me from, if I got on the stand, from even me talking about what my intent was. So if I’d had to get on the stand, it’s very likely that I wasn’t even going to be able to tell the story that I just told you. In other words, the judge was going to keep me from saying, “Well, Dr. Moore, you can’t say why it was that you’re doing it.”

TUCKER CARLSON: How about you just say, “No, I’m guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. In fact, first line item in the Bill of Rights, the right to say what I think is true. It’s called the First Amendment, and I’m going to say this in court.” Well, would happen. Back to Salt Lake City Jail.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Probably. Probably.

TUCKER CARLSON: So how are you here?

The Intervention

DR. KIRK MOORE: Well, so that Friday at the end of court, with all of the publicity, Marjorie Taylor Greene getting a hold of, she said, “I am sending a letter right now to AG Bondi,” I believe she got on the phone with her, I think.

TUCKER CARLSON: Did you know Marjorie Taylor Greene?

DR. KIRK MOORE: I did not know her from Adam.

TUCKER CARLSON: Marjorie Taylor Greene has helped more people individually than any member of Congress. Of course, she never gets credit for anything, but that’s true. So she’s just moved by a sense of justice.

DR. KIRK MOORE: She’s moved by a sense of justice coming from the state of Georgia with me in the state of Utah. Thomas Massie put out a really nice tweet about us that went viral as well. Senator Mike Lee did. Senator Mike Lee finally contacted Attorney General Bondi as well.

So Saturday morning, our case got dismissed. Attorney General Bondi put out a tweet and said, “You know, Dr. Moore gave his parents a choice or gave his patients a choice that the federal government did not. I am dismissing this case on my. At my direction, this ends now.” Those three words.

And so. And then five days later, I’m in her office meeting her MTG and Mike Lee, you know, so I, you know, like I said, I didn’t.

TUCKER CARLSON: So a week before, you were facing life in prison, and the next thing you know you’re in the Attorney General’s office?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: When. What was that date that. That happened?

DR. KIRK MOORE: So July 12th was the day. Was a Saturday, which was the day that my case got dismissed. And so July 17, we were in her office.

Rebuilding After the Storm

TUCKER CARLSON: So six weeks ago. How’s your head now? Like, how’s your life?

DR. KIRK MOORE: It’s been a whirlwind. It’s been a big change. We are trying to put our pieces back together. I’m trying to.

TUCKER CARLSON: So from. Just to restate the timeline really quick, from the day the FBI showed up at your office, scared the hell out of your lone patient, until July 17th. How long was that?

DR. KIRK MOORE: So two and a half years.

TUCKER CARLSON: So two and a half years is gone from your life at age 60. Just gone.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right. And I’m having to rebuild my practice. And as they start over, I mean, I’m not really kind of formally starting over, but, yeah, it’s rebuilding your appetite.

TUCKER CARLSON: For starting over, I can say, since I’m 56, diminishes with age. So, like, you don’t want to do that at this age. It’s just like, not. You should be.

DR. KIRK MOORE: And why do I want to stay in medicine? Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I mean, that’s the question that I struggle with every day, because 99% of the people out there believe that I didn’t do what was right or that I was not. That what I did was wrong.

The Medical Profession’s Response

TUCKER CARLSON: So if you got a bunch. Just a cross section of American physicians and said, you know, knowing the evidence, does Dr. Moore deserve to be sent to jail twice, you know, with MS, 13, and then do life in prison? How many do you think would agree?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Oh, I think that’s a different question. I don’t know that a lot of them would agree. I think that I. But I would say that there’s probably a third of them that would. There’s still a third of the doctors that are out there that would say that what I did was wrong. I falsified medical records. I.

TUCKER CARLSON: These are the people who lied about the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Correct.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right. That’s why I don’t go to the doctor. I mean, this is like. That’s a. This is an. I’m not sure how you fix this.

The Corruption of Medicine

DR. KIRK MOORE: I don’t either. I don’t either. But that’s the struggle with my profession right now, is that it’s so bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry from top to bottom. They own the textbooks, they own the medical schools, they own the journals. They own our conferences, they own our medical organizations. The AMA, the American College of Obstetrics.

You know, look, the AMA has a code of ethics. The code of ethics says. It’s a printed code of ethics that says that as a physician, you are going to come into conflict with the law. We know that that’s going to happen. You have two things that you need to do as a physician. The first one is you need to try to change the law system. It can comport back into your code of ethics that you’re taking care of your patient. And if your second thing is, if you can’t do that, you have to take care of your patient that’s in front of you.

I don’t see the AMA standing behind me and helping me out is the AMA.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s for late term abortion. I mean, shut up.

DR. KIRK MOORE: AMA again. I’m disgusting, right? People, it is.

TUCKER CARLSON: Liars. Why don’t you go to work for Bobby Kennedy?

DR. KIRK MOORE: Hi. I don’t know. If he called me, I’d probably consider it, but, you know, he’s having a tough time right now, too.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, I know.

The Deep Rot in the System

DR. KIRK MOORE: You know, the. Dan Bongino and Cash Patel are having a hard time. The stink is deep. And you know, I mean, what was it just a couple of weeks ago, Dan Bongino said that if you knew what I knew, you, you know, you’d struggle, too.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, he told me that. I love Dan. He called me. He was upset. He didn’t give me any specifics. No classified information. Right. Everything’s classified. All of their wrongdoings are classified.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: All of my sins are public. But.

DR. KIRK MOORE: But it’s such a rot that goes so deep. Oh, it’s been going on for 250 years and it’s only gotten. It’s only. Look, you know this. It’s human nature. You don’t.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course you can’t.

DR. KIRK MOORE: If you don’t get caught in a lie and you don’t suffer the consequences of it, then you’re going to lie again. And our government and our politicians and our industry and everybody has been lying to us for decades, for centuries. And it’s lie upon lie upon lie. And you get to the point where, oh, my gosh, you just can’t. You can’t get to the bottom of it.

TUCKER CARLSON: No. All made possible by secrecy.

DR. KIRK MOORE: All made possible by secrecy.

Final Words

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m really. Once again, I consider you a hero. I’m grateful for what you did. I’m grateful you’re still here. I hope you recover. I can’t imagine what it must have done to you. And I hope that the rest of your life is spent in a really useful pursuit. I hope that you find that thing. And maybe it’s not medicine, but I think you’ve got. Your example is inspiring, and I think you’ve got a lot to give to the country, and I hope you find a way to give it well.

DR. KIRK MOORE: I appreciate you having me on, Tucker.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, I mean it. Thank you, Doctor.

DR. KIRK MOORE: Thank you.

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