This Past Weekend: #650 w/ Jake Paul (Transcript)

And so that part I think was kind of tough. The tough parts were just all the spaces you have to stay involved with. You think like, oh, somebody else does that, and you’re like, oh no, there’s no way, there’s nobody else. And so it just falls back on you.

JAKE PAUL: Are you nervous, like, for the outcome? Because I think, you know, like, you just see a lot of movies with the biggest names these days with super big budgets and the, you know, all the people behind them, and then it flops. Like, are you nervous about that? Yeah, because it’s public. Like, even I’ve had a couple of fights where it’s like the pay-per-views weren’t as good, but it’s private info.

THEO VON: I think there’s a part of me, like, I like to be kind of in control of what I do, right? And so that’s why I was waiting to do something where it’s like, we wrote it, we made it, it’s our own thing. So at least in the end, I do feel like we did a good job and I got to do it with somebody really, who’s amazing and like established in that universe.

Yeah, I think it is scary because you don’t want it to affect how people think about you or feel about you. They may just not be like, I care about seeing a movie this weekend and it’s almost to the weekend. Like, nobody buys a ticket for a movie 3 weeks in advance. I thought we’d put it out and be like, oh, it’ll all sell out like a— like maybe with a comedy show. But with a movie, it’s like you kind of have to wait till that weekend. It’s probably similar with like a pay-per-view.

JAKE PAUL: No, 100%. And we actually like base our fights around making sure there’s no other big events. Like the last fight on Netflix, like third biggest fight ever with Joshua, 35 million viewers live, but it was the same weekend as Avatar, the same day. So it plays into it, like, would we have gotten 5 million more viewers? It’s just something interesting to think about. But sometimes you can’t choose another date.

THEO VON: Yeah, I think I’m definitely a little bit spooked about it. I’m nervous about it. I’m also kind of excited about it. And I think if it doesn’t go great, it’s okay. It’s like, you know, I hope it does because we want to be able to make more stuff and help other people make more stuff that don’t get like— like there’s no studio attached to it. It’s like nobody told us anything we could put in or out of the script. So it’s all our own thing.

JAKE PAUL: So it’s not woke.

THEO VON: Yeah, it’s not woke, dude. We got an 8-year-old saying f* it in it, you know? And I don’t, you know, bro, and he didn’t mean it. Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: And by the way, you paid him to say it.

THEO VON: Yeah, that’s true.

JAKE PAUL: So you’re invoking abuse. Yeah, Theo.

THEO VON: But we paid him handsomely, you know. Hey, we didn’t touch him. Honestly though, honestly, like, already better than the half.

The Druski Skit

JAKE PAUL: This is my problem with people saying the word fag. Is that like, I would never say it. Like, so it’s just like f*ed up to say fat shit.

THEO VON: Oh yeah, I don’t say it. So, but yeah, what else is going on?

JAKE PAUL: What don’t you say?

THEO VON: I don’t say it. I’ll say it. I will say it very fast because some people are wondering what I don’t say and I’m not going to be— and you won’t even know when I’m going to say it. So that was it. And I didn’t even say it. So. And who knows, I might be a homosexual when I get older after I get married and leave my wife. So.

JAKE PAUL: And that’s why you’re fing smart, because you’re hedging. Like, yeah, you’re saving. You’re an investor. You’re a forward thinker. Yeah, you’re literally a Renaissance man because at least you can fing admit that you might be a faggot later in life.

THEO VON: Whoa, bro, I’m not going to be some crazy— I will be just a guy who is doing his best, who fing is pissed off at one of his friends and lets him fing jerk him off one time. I’m not going to be some guy who’s holding hands and going to like a market or something. So anyway, now that our careers are both over—

JAKE PAUL: We still got Celsius.

THEO VON: Oh yeah, we do.

JAKE PAUL: They’ll never leave us.

THEO VON: Oh dude. 2 sips of this, you’ll cum on your buddy’s back. Did you see that Druski skit? What’d you think?

JAKE PAUL: You know what’s so funny is that I wanted to talk about this with you.

THEO VON: Really? Yeah. I mean, this shit is crazy when she starts doing that. Oh my God.

JAKE PAUL: What are your thoughts?

THEO VON: I thought it’s so bizarre. It’s one of his more bizarre videos. I mean, it’s hilarious, dude. She’s in this space. I wish it had gone a little more into like the stuff with the husband and what could have happened, but I don’t think Black people like mess with people’s families and shit that much. They don’t go into that kind of area very much.

Yeah, I mean, Druski’s just— you never know what he’s going to do, bro. And this sets that precedent like nothing else. I mean, look at this, bro. This could be f*ing you or Logan in 40 years, dude. You know what I’m saying? And not in a bad way, dude. Y’all look good.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, no, honestly, dude, this is Hulk Hogan’s whole family in one picture. Yeah, no, honestly, it’s fing hilarious. I loved it. And I’m obviously Republican and like all the Republicans being mad about this shit is like a fing L for Republicans because this is fing hilarious. And even though it’s fing dark and twisted and it’s not maybe the— it’s— this is what comedy f*ing is.

THEO VON: Yes, I agree.

JAKE PAUL: This. We are f*ing humans. Let’s make fun of ourselves. And there’s truth in this.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: And extreme truth. And people weren’t ready for that. But I think it’s f*ing hilarious. And I want to ask you something because I’ve been over the last couple of days calling makeup artists and I was going to do a response to this and go and do the full on darker.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: And do it and just do it back because why not?

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: Are we on the same playing field?

THEO VON: I think if there’s a way to do it. Oh, this thing. And while this, even this sentence. But if there’s a way to do it, I’ve been here many times. If there’s a way to do it, I think, yeah, I think there needs to be some Black support for the character. I think, like I’m saying, like, say if Druski, or I’m trying to think of somebody else, Charles Barkley. If you got one of those guys to be like, “Hey, I want you to do this skit with me, let’s do this.”

Blackface, Comedy, and Double Standards

JAKE PAUL: But still, that’s pussying out.

THEO VON: You think it is? Yeah. To me, there’s a level of, like, doesn’t that make us more prejudice? Oh, like, more prejudice against—

JAKE PAUL: That makes us, if we have to partner with someone— Drewski just dropped this, and he’s done it a couple of times. Exactly. I f*ing love it. This is great. This is how humans should be.

THEO VON: I agree.

JAKE PAUL: We should f*ing make fun of each other. And I don’t see in color, I see in truth and comedy. So what are we talking about? So you’re saying what era are we living in?

THEO VON: You know, Justin Trudeau didn’t— he’s freaking dating Katy Perry. You see that? Justin Trudeau, the mayor of Canada.

JAKE PAUL: I was just with them. I was just with them.

THEO VON: No, you were not.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, at the JP Morgan Summit.

THEO VON: He was beefacing. Look at him right there in the middle. Look at the one in the hat in the middle.

JAKE PAUL: He got caught for this before?

THEO VON: Yeah, look how dark he went. I mean, he went—

JAKE PAUL: But, to be fair, that picture is in black and white, so we can’t tell how dark he went.

THEO VON: But yeah, that’s fair. That’s kind of fair. What about Jimmy Kimmel when he was blacking around over there? Bring that up, huh? Hey, hey, hey, look at him just blacking. I mean, look at that, even the cross eyes.

JAKE PAUL: That’s Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, that’s not Shaq.

THEO VON: That ain’t f*ing Shaq, dude. That looks healthier than Shaq.

JAKE PAUL: There’s no way that’s Jimmy Kimmel. Oh, God, bro. And look, bro.

THEO VON: And look, by the way, that is Jimmy Kimmel.

JAKE PAUL: Look at fing Jimmy Kimmel. Fing on the left. Untouchable.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: What the f*, bro? Yeah. How can they get away with this shit?

THEO VON: The shit that pisses me off, it’s like, kids can’t be Black for Halloween, dude. You know, like a kid, it’s his favorite athlete. He never grew up with anything racist in his heart or anything.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. And he wants to— he wants to be LeBron.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: The Halloween— this kid is just like f*ing getting penetrated by haters.

THEO VON: That’s the problem. There’s too many haters out there. But look, Drewski’s doing this shit. Craziest one he did was the one where he spit on a Black guy out of a car dressed as a white guy. You see that one? Bring up that country one.

JAKE PAUL: I didn’t see that one.

THEO VON: He drives up, but bro, honestly, bro, no, no more.

JAKE PAUL: This is insane.

THEO VON: No more honesty from you, dude, right now.

JAKE PAUL: No, I got a lot more.

THEO VON: Oh, hold on, there’s another— look at this part right here.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, after this, bro. How many?

THEO VON: Right here, watch this.

JAKE PAUL: You lost both? No, I’m going to the race. What race?

THEO VON: NASCAR race. You going to NASCAR?

JAKE PAUL: Yes, sir.

THEO VON: A little bit.

JAKE PAUL: You ain’t lost, did you?

THEO VON: What the f* is going on? Sure about that?

JAKE PAUL: Yes, sir.

On Wealth, Weirdness, and Self-Reflection

Okay, so this brings up the actual point of like, it’s time.

THEO VON: I think you’re right. I think it’s a good discussion, and I’m glad that you brought it up because sometimes, yeah, it’s like I don’t even have anybody that’s even semi— but you’re like the kind of the blackest guy we’ve had in here in a while.

JAKE PAUL: And people tell me that a lot.

THEO VON: Yeah, dude. Yeah, you’re blacker than Logan.

JAKE PAUL: That guy is white. Yeah, I mean, he’s basically Hulk Hogan.

THEO VON: Oh dude, he is probably. I went to Hulk Hogan’s funeral, which is pretty crazy.

JAKE PAUL: But anyway, did you—

THEO VON: Oh dude, at his funeral, nobody knew Vince McMahon was there. And who’s Vince McMahon?

JAKE PAUL: Vince McMahon.

THEO VON: Vince McMahon. Jim McMahon showed me his asshole one night. He used to play for the Bears. He showed me his asshole one night at a— yeah, yeah, shout out Jim. Yeah, and I’d even ask about it.

JAKE PAUL: And what, so how did he show you?

THEO VON: It was outdoors. He was reenacting something, and he showed me his asshole. But he’s awesome, honestly.

JAKE PAUL: The more people I meet in life and like—

THEO VON: He showed me his Richard Dent, you know, that’s just an old Bears player who played at the same time. And that’s just such a crazy statement. Okay, go on. The more people—

JAKE PAUL: No. Yeah, the more people I meet, the more weird. Like, I think, yeah, people are f*ing weird, bro. Yeah. And they want to show people too, like, what are you doing, bro?

THEO VON: It’s the 11th fingerprint.

JAKE PAUL: So this is the problem is like I was raised right. In a sense. But the richer you get, the less normal experiences become for you. So you have to do something different, to feel something. And I don’t fall under that category, but a lot of these people do.

THEO VON: Oh, you seem like you’re trying to take yourself out of the files right now or something. But dude, you gotta— I’m sure you’ve run into some wild shit, dude.

JAKE PAUL: I’m just saying, you caught me. You fing caught me, bro. You’re good, you’re good, you’re good, dude. It’s a mullet. I think it makes you smarter. F, bro, you caught me.

THEO VON: That’s my new character. It’s a black detective. He figures it out. Yeah, Encyclopedia Brown as f*.

JAKE PAUL: You’re a f*ing genius, bro. No, you caught me, bro.

THEO VON: Dude, you and I should not be declaring anybody a genius, bro. We are f*ing wrong. Now you’re just saying something wrong. You’re just saying something. Definitely.

JAKE PAUL: No, no, no.

THEO VON: Hey, bring up that fish that’s in a wheelchair. Have you seen that? Bring up that wheelchair fish. Somebody build a—

JAKE PAUL: Bro, if you don’t think you’re a genius, then you should have some self-reflection. Do you actually not think you’re a genius?

THEO VON: No, not at all. Not at all.

JAKE PAUL: That’s a big problem for yourself.

THEO VON: Look at this. Look at this bitch they got. You don’t think anything’s possible, dude? Look at this bitch. You trying to fight that thing next? Look at that motherf*er.

JAKE PAUL: This is a perfect opponent for me. Wheelchair and 2 IQ is who I’m looking to fight.

THEO VON: He still has a one-fight deal with the UFC, but you got to f*ing— we’ll get him out.

JAKE PAUL: We’ll fish him out.

THEO VON: But this is what we’re fing living in, dude. People can’t eat and we’re fing building fish wheelchairs, bro. So anyway, and that’s also— I’m not going to lie though, you know what the fish’s name is, dude? Joe Biden. That’s the craziest part.

JAKE PAUL: That makes sense. Why is it a f*ing wheelchair? This is comedy gold.

THEO VON: Oh, it’s Comedy Goldfish, dude. We’re fed. We’re fed, dude. This is horrible. All we’ve done is lobby for f*ing blackface this whole pod and nothing else, dude.

Tiger Woods, Addiction, and Personal Struggles

But we’re going to keep it moving, man. Do you think, okay, let’s start over. Okay, do you think Erica Kirk had anything to do with the husband’s death? Let’s switch it up. Let’s switch it up. And that’s mouthwash, you know. But yeah, keep having some.

JAKE PAUL: I love Listerine, bro.

THEO VON: It’s f*ing good stuff. That’s a new Listerine Green Apple, bro. You’re funny.

JAKE PAUL: I don’t know if you can ask that. You’re pretty funny.

THEO VON: Okay.

JAKE PAUL: I don’t know. I’ll talk about a lot of things, but I don’t think I’ll talk about Charlie Kirk and his assassination. Okay, the sensitive details around it.

THEO VON: Oh dude, I don’t even want to f*ing talk about it. It’s just on our list of stuff, so I’ll keep it moving.

JAKE PAUL: Some AI, you ChatGPT’d what to ask Jake Paul and it told you this. It was like, “What will go most viral?”

THEO VON: It said things Jake Paul could handle. And yeah, one of them was disc golf. One of them was, oh, the Tiger Woods DUI. That was kind of crazy. Let’s brush on that because people deal with addiction, people deal with that stuff. It’s something I’ve dealt with. That was kind of a surprise to me. I was kind of surprised to see that, you know. Have you ever played golf with Tiger?

JAKE PAUL: No. I don’t play golf. I mean, bro, it’s a second time thing for him, right?

THEO VON: Yeah, but it’s been like a decade since the last time, so it just seems like maybe he was going through a tough patch.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, it’s tough, bro. It’s tough.

THEO VON: Did you ever struggle with anything like that?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Especially when I was younger, there was a phase where I was just going through a really rough time in a lot of ways in life. Suicidal, lost a lot of money, and had terrible people around me.

THEO VON: And so that was a time that you were drinking, or was that a thing? Because I’ve been in sobriety, in and out of sobriety over the past like 10 years. It’s a fing tough road, you know? And you try your best. I’ve been in like shit for like sex, love addiction, intimacy disorder, all of that shit, you know? I should probably be in like a fing wheelchair or whatever, you know? And that’s real talk, man. Praise God.

JAKE PAUL: No, damn, it’s— but see how you’re healing with it and you’re sitting here today doing great things in life and people love you and I love you and you’re a genius and you’re an amazing guy and you just worked through it. But you’re honestly healing with it. It goes back to comedy. Yeah, that’s why you’re funny as f*. And you’re making fun of yourself and it makes it acceptable to your traumatized version of yourself.

THEO VON: Hmm.

The L.A. Ecosystem and Dark Places

JAKE PAUL: So, yeah, but I’ve been in dark places as a kid. Like, it’s the funny, like, Disney star crash out, bankrupt, money, money, money, bad people around you, drugs, alcohol, party, L.A., girls, girls, girls.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: And it just like it’s like a fing cycle out there. So my biggest advice to people is don’t fing live in L.A. and like go into that ecosystem because I’m a product of it, but it’s not me. I had to heal from it and like, but it, it just was going to happen that way.

So no matter who goes out there, no matter who they are, it’s not their fault. But like, they become looped into that system and will end up unhappy and most likely addicted to a bunch of shit. And yeah, it’s, it’s a, it’s a sad thing. Chasing validation. I met this person at this party. I want to be famous. I met this guy, I took a photo with them. It’s just like a f*ing dead end.

THEO VON: Yeah, I think that energy overall in society is starting to change a little bit. I think we’re starting to realize that there’s not all this collection of moments and even items and even finances while we’re here. There’s not a really— the depth of value to it isn’t— it’s a kiddie pool.

Peeing Next to Jeff Bezos

JAKE PAUL: Yes. I was at the summit this past weekend in Montana, and I was taking a piss next to Jeff Bezos. And my dad always said to me, like, since I was a kid, famous people put their pants on the same way.

THEO VON: One leg at a time.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. And so I realized, like, bro, he’s— I love him, by the way.

THEO VON: Really? He’s a neat guy. I can’t even imagine what his voice sounds like.

JAKE PAUL: He’s just fing— he’s awesome, bro. He, like, shaped the world, and he’s going to continue to do that. But I just realized when we were peeing next to each other, like, bro, we’re just peeing next to each other. Just my fing— it’s my homie.

THEO VON: But you f*ing piss potting on, bro.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, we’re just like, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Bezos. I was going to start singing it out loud, but I didn’t have the confidence. I was about to start singing his song, and then I texted my friends like, yeah, I just pissed next to Jeffrey. And they were like, did you grab his dick? Like, it’s just all that typical friend shit, it’s just all a joke.

THEO VON: Did you f*ing same-day deliver that cock? You feel me? That’s what I’m saying, bro.

JAKE PAUL: How prime was it?

THEO VON: Like, but bro, like, at the end of the day, was it Logan or was it KSI? So that’s just a further on the prime joke, but I got it. Thanks, dude. But dude, I remember one time I pissed next to fing Kid Rock, dude. And I was like, f, I thought I’d made it, dude.

Famous People Are Just People

JAKE PAUL: That’s what I mean. But it’s also funny to like these people like that are so in the media and I like find myself in this, in this category often. Like people think they know me, they have so many ideas about who I am or what I am. But like, bro, at the end of the day, we’re all f*ing humans and like seeing these people like eat. Like, even just seeing Jeff Bezos eat was just like funny. It’s like, yeah, okay, yeah, we’re watching him whisper to somebody. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, he has to whisper, he has to eat, bro. He’s just one of us. Yeah, like, he’s just a guy’s guy.

THEO VON: Yeah, but does he seem like a guy’s guy kind of?

JAKE PAUL: For sure. Yeah, he seems super cool.

THEO VON: Somebody said he seems kind of Asian. One of my buddies met him a couple times. They said he seems kind of Asian. Did he seem like that to you? At all? Not fully, or not? Yeah, yeah.

JAKE PAUL: So I couldn’t tell when he was peeing, like, how tight he had to grip it.

THEO VON: Oh yeah, if he had a headlamp on.

JAKE PAUL: So yeah, I don’t know, dude.

THEO VON: That’s crazy, bro.

JAKE PAUL: I don’t know, that’s the only way I could tell.

THEO VON: Is he tall?

JAKE PAUL: He’s like, he’s like 5’8″, 5’9″.

THEO VON: Okay.

JAKE PAUL: So he’s probably also his, his wife, like, I think has a weird, like, public persona. Mm-hmm. And their whole relationship, bro, it just goes back to f*ing media. But she was awesome and smart and nice and very intelligent. And I don’t know, just weird how the media paints everyone. And it’s, it’s actually sad because I even had a preconceived notion of these people because it’s just like indoctrination and you see enough things where you just like start to conform to that idea. But then you could just be so wrong.

The Value of Attention and Media Narratives

THEO VON: Yeah. Oh, I think that that happens a lot. One of the things that I think is most important right now is the value of our own attention. What do we put our attention on? Because it’s easy to sit there and just absorb all the bullshit and be like, here’s a picture of Lauren Bezos or Jeff Bezos, and there’s just an article and there’s no even repercussions for anything more. It’s like, she just got her tits done, he just got his head done, or whatever. And you’re just like, okay, but you know what I’m saying? But most people just, we believe it. It’s like, I’ve found myself believing stuff and it’s like, this is— I’m sure you’ve read things about yourself that are astronomically outrageous.

JAKE PAUL: 100%.

THEO VON: This is— I think the word you said that is key is like repercussions. Like there needs to be some form of punishment for invalid commentary on anything. Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: And this is why I started suing people, because—

THEO VON: Have you had a lot of NIL type, like, that sort of issues, or just people saying stuff?

JAKE PAUL: People mostly like rigged fights and steroids and fake fights and like this type of thing. It’s like, bro, do I look like I’m on steroids? Like, no, I don’t think you’re on steroids. I’m a chubby kid. Like, do you know how legal it is within all of these commissions to rig fights? Like, you guys are actually f*ing stupid, but I can’t say that to them.

And then even when I’m like sitting here now defending myself, it feels like they’re going to look at it and be like, of course he would say that, right? So I’m just suing people because that’s when the truth comes out, is like, let’s go to court. Yeah, let’s actually look at the documents and see if my fights were rigged. And get to the bottom of it. And I know I’ll come out on top because they’re not. And so, yeah, and this—

THEO VON: I’m going to go delete an old tweet as well as you’re saying this, but, uh, yeah.

JAKE PAUL: Oh yeah, you, you did say that thing. I was like, f* you for a second, bro. Yeah, I was actually mad at you, but I was mad at you for saying that.

THEO VON: Yeah, I can’t remember if I did.

JAKE PAUL: Why though?

THEO VON: Because I think— yeah, I think it’s exactly what you’re saying. It was like, well, let me think about it. I don’t know exactly what I said, but it was something like, yeah, I don’t— or yeah, some actually remember this. It was a jab like that.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, you did.

THEO VON: It was a verbal jab. Like you said, I’m sorry, man. Don’t sue me also, please. And I will take it down. But like, it’s fine, by the way. It’s fine.

JAKE PAUL: It’s fine. But why? Like, what was the— because I look at it, to be honest, as another male who’s insecure about me being successful. Trying to take me down.

Reflecting on Jealousy and Bandwagon Mentality

THEO VON: Hmm, let me think about that for just a second. Let me really think about it.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah.

THEO VON: Yeah, why would I say— if it was probably— it was like, it felt like probably a bandwagon-y type of thing, you know? I’m not using that as an excuse. I’m just saying that was probably part of it.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah.

THEO VON: Let me think. Oh yeah, it’s easy for me now in hindsight. Yeah, it’s easy for me to like, just say something from, from here where I’m sitting here. I don’t have to say it to his face. I don’t have to be around him and say it because I wouldn’t— I probably— I wouldn’t do that unless I felt like it was a joking environment that was like safe.

Yeah, so those are probably the things, to be honest with you. And I think it would take us longer for me to sit here and— or, you know, it’d take me longer to really probably sit and like kind of think out what all the small parts were. But those honestly are the things that I’m thinking of off the bat.

JAKE PAUL: Yep. No, and then, appreciate your honesty and candidness around that. Like, and it’s— it is annoying for me because I fing work my ass off in the gym, like, all the fing time.

THEO VON: I think— I mean, you came— I mean, like, there was a bit— there was a time where it was like, yeah, this, this guy isn’t a real fighter. These are things that people would say. And then there’s no— there’s no person now— like, you disproved—

Fighting Through the Doubt

JAKE PAUL: But, but that’s the thing is I could handle the not a real fighter because I’m like, f* you, haha, right? I could handle the, like most of the things that people said, but then when I got so good that people couldn’t believe what I was doing, that it turned to fake fights, steroids, that really bothered me, to be honest.

I don’t know why, like it just like seemed like the polar opposite thing that people could say that would disprove it all. So it was so far from truth. And I think that’s why I’m blessed by God and like such a pivotal person in today’s society is because I live by truth. And I think that when you do that, God continues to bless you. And I think the fake fights thing, like, is so far from the truth that it really bothered me.

THEO VON: Yeah, I could see that. I could see that it would. Well, yeah, man, I’m sorry if I can—

JAKE PAUL: It would be to that, bro.

THEO VON: It’s fine, it’s fine, no problem. But I’m glad that we’re talking about this because I do think that it’s interesting. I think that, yeah, why, like, yeah, why does that kind of shit— like, why do we, or why have I acted that way? Why do we act like— why is, you know, sometimes it’s in just— it’s getting involved in the conversation.

But yeah, to think that there’s not like, real repercussions or real, like, just things that happen, feelings that happen. I think sometimes people— you guys are such good promoters over the years, right? And you guys have done a good job of continuing to evolve in entertainment and society. There’s not a lot of people that have a 17-year lifespan in entertainment, and it may be longer. I don’t know how old you are.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, it’s been like 13 years.

THEO VON: Yeah. I mean, to keep that and have a level that is one of the highest levels in different mediums. And then also, I think people don’t know, like, I don’t know if people don’t know, but it’s tough to get people to reframe you into something that’s different. I’m not using those as excuses, I’m just saying that there could be some of that in there, bro.

JAKE PAUL: I’m not going to lie, like, if I might have a little— if I, like, saw me as another, like, young and up-and-coming male, I would, like, have jealousy of myself and be like, f* this guy, he’s got a jet. And a gold medal fiancée and the perfect life and 6,000-acre ranch, I would have jealousy. It’s human nature, right? So I get it. It just is what it is.

THEO VON: I just think there could be some of that in there. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, it’s weird. And also, does it help you keep going, though? Is there some of it that keeps a chip on your shoulder? Because I got it.

JAKE PAUL: I’m not— I don’t know what I’m motivated by anymore, to be honest. Yeah, that’s interesting. I feel that sometimes.

THEO VON: I think it’s—

Supporting Others and Finding Purpose

JAKE PAUL: I think it goes back to helping others and community. I’m a big fan of Marcus Aurelius and the biggest thing he says is your duty to society is the most important thing. And so I think that’s where I’ve landed recently because I have everything.

THEO VON: And you have enough for yourself, you mean you have what you need?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. And my family and all of that. So I just go back to the leader of the Roman Empire. Should probably listen to what he had to say. And one of his biggest sayings is your biggest thing is to be a part of society and make it a better place. So I think that’s maybe where I’m at these days.

Jake Paul at the Olympics

THEO VON: One thing that really kind of touched me was the way your reaction and involvement with your fiancée at the Olympics. I thought that was really cool, man. I think there was something, just as a guy, a lot of guys I think don’t probably do a lot of supporting of their girlfriends or spouses in certain ways. And I thought something like that was really beautiful to see. I think we have— do you have anything of it? His wife wanted gold. And they’re cruising out there. Are they cruising, bro?

JAKE PAUL: They’re cooking.

THEO VON: This is awesome, bro. How are you feeling? What was—

JAKE PAUL: Bro, so yeah, honestly, it’s the greatest moment I’ve ever witnessed as a human. Just everything that happened and the way it played out was just nuts. And I know how hard she works and how dedicated she is and how much every single day she’s putting so much detail into her work.

The girl right before her, 2 races before, set the Olympic record. So we were all looking at each other like, oh my God, that was a fast time. She might not win right now. Like, what the f? And then she just fing comes out and sets the new Olympic record and f*ing wins. Let’s go. And I could tell that she was going to win, like, before everyone else because I see her times. And so that’s why I was already crying. And I was like, I don’t know.

THEO VON: So there was some more buildup to it. It wasn’t like just that exact moment. You could feel it coming on.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. No, I could see the speed and the times on the digital board. So I knew maybe before anyone else. And, bro, I’m the one that has to deal with her stress and problems and thoughts around the whole sport on a daily basis. So I knew how much it meant to her. And yeah, it was just witnessing f*ing greatness at the highest level in the coolest thing, representing her country. The Dutch people were all there screaming. All of it was just beautiful.

THEO VON: The Dutch are f*ing aerodynamic, dude. I’ve always said that. Yeah, they’re very aerodynamic.

JAKE PAUL: You’ve been long on the Dutch.

THEO VON: They’re tall and a lot of them are very aerodynamic.

JAKE PAUL: Pull up a Dutch, man. Bro, just— no, my—

THEO VON: Pull up a Dutch.

JAKE PAUL: Honestly, you’re just very aerodynamic.

THEO VON: I’m not going to look at this, Patrick. Hold on, that’s just a random Dutch. Zoom in on that guy on the right. Fing Mr. Dutch right there. And fing his little Dutch dime right there, boy. Donkey Shane, homie. Donkey Shane. That guy will fing take on a wind right there. That dude will take on a fing headwind in a heartbeat. You’ll be back to Puerto Rico 10 minutes sooner if that guy was f*ing attached to the front of your bird. That’s for sure. I think there was something— that was your day.

JAKE PAUL: You’re right, bro.

THEO VON: Bro, I’ve known that since I was young. My mother told me that, that the Dutch were aerodynamic. She said it.

JAKE PAUL: What else did your mom teach you?

THEO VON: What did she tell me?

JAKE PAUL: I don’t know.

THEO VON: She was always working. She would fing drive by and yell at us. She’s like, “Go brush your teeth.” She’d fing be zooming by in her car, fing yelling, “Brush your fing teeth.” We’re just in the yard. We’re like, we’re not even inside right now. But she tried to parent the best she could. She was just always delivering stuff.

Theo’s Foundation and Family

JAKE PAUL: No, I thought it was awesome too that you’re working on your foundation. What is it with Katt Williams, or—

THEO VON: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

JAKE PAUL: And that’s what I was saying, I’m just happy for your mother that she’s going to benefit.

THEO VON: Yeah, I’m glad to see, Mom, you’re going to get an afternoon off, dude.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, yeah. So what’s the foundation again?

THEO VON: We’ll put that clip in. The foundation doesn’t have a name yet. Nobody even knows those are coming out, but people are going to be— it’s benefiting the parents of autistic kids, right? Yep, we’re going to donate.

JAKE PAUL: Your family is going to be up.

THEO VON: Yeah, they are, dude. And there’s other autistic people in my fing family. We’re calling those motherfers out, dude. There should be—

JAKE PAUL: All of them are going to make hella bread based off of your organization. It is low-key insider trading.

Gifts, Vance, and Politics

THEO VON: F, bro. You’re fing funny, dude. This is f*ing great.

If you didn’t have any money, right, if you say you didn’t have anything and you had to get your girl a present or whatever, what would you get her, you think?

JAKE PAUL: I wouldn’t— I would write her a letter. I think that’s still the most meaningful thing that you could do. Words, I think, are the most important thing in love. And yeah, I would just write her a letter.

THEO VON: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I saw that you sat with Vance at the Olympics. Vance is cool, huh?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. Ohio guy.

THEO VON: He’s neat to be around. Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: No, he’s super normal, bro. Goddamn, he’s pulling up the photos like it’s his f*ing job. He’s just— just joking, Trevin.

THEO VON: Sorry. Yeah, I like being around Vance. He’s been on here a couple times. Do you think he’s trying to position himself to be that next dog, or what do you think?

JAKE PAUL: I think so. Yeah, of course. That’s the nature of the game. And yeah, if you’re going to be the vice president, you’re already playing the game. That’s a dangerous game. And I dabble in it, which is scary because I don’t want to get f*ing popped. And beyond that, there are so many things behind the scenes— brands, people won’t even associate with you because of your political stance. It’s a really interesting game to play in, but he’s already balls deep. So yeah, I think he’s going to jockey for president for sure.

THEO VON: It’s kind of scary when you’re that deep in it.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, it makes it easier when you have 15 securities around you and people have to get wanded just to talk to you. But yeah, it’s still weird. It’s still weird, bro. It’s the weirdest thing in the world.

THEO VON: Do you— yeah, have you ever played that?

JAKE PAUL: You’re playing the biggest game of life.

THEO VON: That’s f*ing true. And it’s gotten dangerous.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. And do you want to play that? And can you? It’s just really interesting.

Jake Paul and the Idea of Running for President

THEO VON: Is there room for you in that space? I saw something recently with you and Trump where you guys were kind of flirting or whatever, just palling around or whatever.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, we were flirting. He’s cute.

THEO VON: No, I saw a thing where you guys— he was giving you a lot of credit.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, I was nervous. I was sweating hella. F*.

THEO VON: Yeah, it’s got to be a moment like that where you’re like, okay, this is kind of wild.

JAKE PAUL: No. Yeah. At that point, life didn’t make sense. I had to call my dad for him to ground me a little bit. But even he was like, “Bro, what the f*? This is the coolest thing in the world.”

Yeah, I’ve been flirting with the idea of politics just because I think it goes back to Marcus Aurelius of helping society. And that’s the number one thing you can do. And it’s become a joke. My business partner, Jeff Wu, we have a venture capital fund together.

THEO VON: Bring up Jeff, bring up Wu, and let’s get a gander at him.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. Okay. There he is.

THEO VON: There he is. Woo! Woo!

JAKE PAUL: So 6 years ago, he was like, “You’re going to become the president.”

THEO VON: No way he said that. Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: And then it became less and less of a joke. And then I started to realize, oh my God, if I’m the best person to do it and can actually win, then I might need to do it. I’m already playing the biggest games of life. Yeah. Will dabble in that if it makes sense. And if there’s a Kamala running on the Democratic Party, some f*ing dumbass running and opposing, I will enter the game and risk getting assassinated. But I don’t want to.

Jake Paul Running for Office?

THEO VON: So what would you wear? Like, you couldn’t wear a helmet or something? You’d have to have shields and stuff around you, probably. How crazy would it be if, to protect yourself to run, you literally had to— I wonder if people running in the future, like, livestream from a bunker, do you know what I’m saying? Do their things from like a protected space because it’s going to get dangerous out there.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, no, you’re 1,000% right. Like, they actually probably will. I’m even scared just talking about this s*.

THEO VON: I think we’re getting to a place where I could see something like that happening. I could see you running. I could see something like that. It does take something inside of people. I feel like they feel a sense of purpose and a calling to something. And if they can make sure that that’s not just attached to their own ego, and they can make sure that there is a sense of, like, “I can do something better and I’m willing to put myself out there to do that.”

JAKE PAUL: Yes. And sign up for the hardest job in the world.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: Where you’re fing 14 hours a day just cranking it. I’ve seen Trump. His energy is why he’s there. Like, he’s a fing legend in that sense. And it demands so much of you and will take away not only your life, but everyone that you’re affiliated with. So you’re also signing your kids up for it. So I really don’t want to do it, but it’s become like a funny joke that I would. And then randomly Trump endorses me fully, which— someone texted me that said like, you’d have to pay him $1 billion to get that endorsement.

THEO VON: And you got it for free right there.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah.

THEO VON: Pull it up. Let me see that little endorsement.

JAKE PAUL: This is pretty good. “God is with us. I know he wants us on the right side of history. And everyone here has to do their part. And God’s got us. Trump’s got us. God bless. Love you, Kentucky.”

On Political Ambitions

THEO VON: You did a good job there, man. That’s a f*ing tough environment to be in, that kind of space. Would it be something like you would run with Vance? Do you think it’s something like that? Or would you start as mayor of like northern Puerto Rico or something? Is there any talks or what is the concept, I guess? Sorry.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. You’re actually super perceptive because yeah, that was my plan— to start in northern Puerto Rico.

THEO VON: NPR, dude, which just got defunded. So put it back on the map.

JAKE PAUL: I don’t know. I honestly don’t know.

THEO VON: It’s just something like— it’s like a port. It’s like kind of like a light in the distance right now.

JAKE PAUL: And it just seems like we need heroes out there. Like, Charlie would have been the guy.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: It’s fing sad, bro. He’s fing awesome.

THEO VON: Did you spend time with him?

JAKE PAUL: No, no, just followed all of his stuff. But he was aiming for it though.

THEO VON: That—

JAKE PAUL: I think that’s the problem. I’m just a f*ing kid from Ohio that’s a high school dropout. If it makes sense at some point, then it makes sense. And that was like his job and his purpose and all of that.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: I loved that. But if someone was like— this is like me becoming a world champion in boxing. It makes more sense than Jake Paul becoming president. Charlie Kirk was clearly going to be the next president.

Conspiracy Theories and Media Trust

THEO VON: I think that’s part of the whole thing, that right now energy that’s out there. There was probably people that didn’t want to see that possibly occur. They didn’t want to see that get to the next level. There’s a lot of investigatorial stuff about that. Some people say that it was like a microphone on his lapel that blew up and that that’s what killed him. And then that microphone was made here in Tennessee, and then 2 weeks after that, the factory it was made at blew to smithereens and like 16 people died, which is just a kind of a crazy— that’s one of the most interesting theories that I’ve heard.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, there’s a lot of conspiracy theories out there these days. I was just with some bros in Minnesota, and they were kind of asking me about these conspiracy theories because they were like, “Oh, he knows more than I do.” I think that a lot of it is f*ing bullshit and people just want something to hang on to. I don’t disagree on certain points. But you have to be really smart and selective to decipher the conspiracy theories that are out there and realize which ones have even a little bit of truth. But why, as a society, do we hang on to these so much?

THEO VON: Like conspiracy theories?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, because— well, we love drama as humans, basically. We just love fing bad news and we love to— we have to come with it. Yes, this is the fing problem.

THEO VON: It is a problem.

JAKE PAUL: Conspiracy theories give people a reason to fing gossip. It’s just something to do, bro. People are bored. I’ve never met a rich person who’s doing dope s in life that gives a f about any of this s, because they just have better s* to do. That’s the problem— people need to go get a job and have a purpose.

THEO VON: We’re at a point though, I think, where people can’t trust mainstream media. They don’t trust it. It’s heavily owned by a couple of corporations. And so I think that created a lot of this space for outlier investigators, outlier people asking questions when every—

JAKE PAUL: This is the problem— all of it has become an entertainment product.

THEO VON: It’s all the WWE. I’ve been saying exactly that— everything is the WWE.

JAKE PAUL: So this person who’s claiming to tell the truth starts to dabble in a little bit of fun because it’s going to get more views. A lot of these people—

THEO VON: But you understand that. I mean, you guys have done—

JAKE PAUL: This is why I understand it.

THEO VON: Got it.

JAKE PAUL: It’s because I do this. But the difference is I’m not doing it on things that affect the world. I’m not talking about missiles and Iran and fing Israel and Charlie Kirk. I’m talking s to Conor McGregor. So I’m down to entertain when it’s in the entertainment world. When it’s in politics, people shouldn’t f* around. So who is telling the truth these days?

Truth, Technology, and Roman Empire Leadership

THEO VON: Yeah. And I wish with all this technology or something, there would be able to be like a truth filter you could put over something on your phone. But then I guess it would be like, what is the arbiter of the truth? It’s like a lot of these AI models now— they have information that’s put into them, so they’re only going to spit out whatever— the information is controlled, so you’re only going to get answers that are based on it.

One thing that you said that I did want to mention, that I thought was interesting, was that during the Roman Empire, a lot of the politicians also had to fight on the battlefield. That was one thing that I thought was really amazing about those times— if they were going to make choices that affected the lives of the citizens, of the military, of the farmer who was putting down his pitchfork and picking up a sword, they had to be out there as leaders as well. And I feel like that’s where some of your energy comes from. I admire that concept.

JAKE PAUL: I think it’s dope. And I agree. If I ever was running for office, I would also be super down to have an AR-15 and fing shoot these motherfers.

THEO VON: I’d have a f*ing gun and a shield.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, bro.

THEO VON: Like, who has that?

JAKE PAUL: I’m down to die, bro. I think I put that on the line with Anthony Joshua. I’m down for this s*, bro. But I think you’re right. That’s a really good point, actually. Like, Trump should be on the front lines. Or Barron. I don’t know if he’s old enough yet.

THEO VON: He might be too tall to be out there too. He’s going to get his head clipped.

JAKE PAUL: Bro’s a big target.

THEO VON: He would fight.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, just because he’s going to stand out, bro. And he’s good looking, so they’re going to be like, “Oh yeah, that guy— f*ing get him.”

If Aliens Came to Earth

THEO VON: I—

JAKE PAUL: If this is a funny question— if aliens came to Earth, which human would you want them to meet? They could only meet one human. What human?

THEO VON: Oh, I think— I don’t know if you send a brother over there. Probably NBA YoungBoy, maybe, dude. I think that would just be— yeah, yeah. Well, have you seen the— you know what?

JAKE PAUL: I was thinking the same thing.

THEO VON: Let’s go, dude. And welcome to America’s Last Brain Cell. I’m Tiovanna and this is Jake Paul. Oh dude, what about your freaking mom was trying to freaking holler at me? Is that true? What was happening? Yeah, she was married.

Jake Paul’s Mom

JAKE PAUL: She is— they’re in a great relationship. I love my mom and stepdad. Damn. Am I only going to get in trouble? Is this bad?

THEO VON: And Derek, is that your stepdad? Rick? Derek? David.

JAKE PAUL: David.

THEO VON: I was wondering the other day, I was like, what is his stepdad’s name?

JAKE PAUL: Okay, so philosophically— if a woman is in a relationship for 30 years with a normal guy, and then the f*ing Mohawk comes out with Theo Von, she might start flirting, bro.

THEO VON: When you see the Lord’s parakeet.

JAKE PAUL: Exactly my point, though.

THEO VON: You gotta f* it.

JAKE PAUL: And my mom is the GOAT. She’s a life maxer. So she’s going to life max and she’s pulling up pictures.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah, that’s who she is right there. That’s Pam. I am, boy, bro.

JAKE PAUL: Pam, would you have done it, though?

THEO VON: And by done it, what do you mean? Take her out for ice cream or a film? Yes. Are you talking about— what are you talking about? I would have taken her for ice cream. I’d have had her home early.

JAKE PAUL: And that’s why I approve of you guys. Yeah, dude, good answer. Political answer.

THEO VON: I’d be a good stepdad though, dude.

JAKE PAUL: Bro, if you were my stepdad, I’d be so happy, bro. That’s all I need in life, honestly.

THEO VON: I would let y’all smoke— not in the house or something, but I would let y’all smoke.

JAKE PAUL: Which kind of smoke, huh?

THEO VON: You can smoke dope, smoke it outside. I don’t give a s*. As long as you don’t smoke outside of our bedroom window or something while we’re trying to rest.

JAKE PAUL: My mom’s hot, huh?

THEO VON: I think she’s a beautiful lady. I like her. I think she’s hot. I don’t know, I’d have to see her again in person.

JAKE PAUL: She did this list for you, bro.

THEO VON: Oh my God, she did! I think I have some photos of that, dude. Your dad was right there. I was like, what are we doing here?

Jake’s Mom and Family Dynamics

JAKE PAUL: No, they’re divorced. That was— yeah, that’s not her husband that was there. Oh, that was my dad and mom, but they’re divorced.

THEO VON: Got it. Yeah. But I don’t know, I think he even was like, you know, I’ll tell you what not to do. I think he said some stuff like that to me. So I think there was like a mix of energy there. But yeah, I know. And she’s an author. I admire that. I know she just came out with a book, right? Yeah. F* the Police.

JAKE PAUL: F* the Police.

THEO VON: F* the Police.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. Great book, by the way— f* the polls. I would say, mostly if people have an interest in fame and navigating it, I think it’s a good book.

THEO VON: What effect do you think she had over the years on— like, did she kind of— was she ever like an orchestrator of things, or was she just kind of like somebody who was just supporting in the distance? Like, because it’s interesting how a mom reacts to their son’s journey through popularity. And like, because for a while they’re just their son and then they’re kind of like a pseudo sibling or something to everybody in a way, you know?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, definitely like supporting from afar, but more recently she’s gotten more involved. In like knowing who she is and being like, f* you to these certain people in my life that aren’t good. So she’s become more of a protector.

I think at first, me and my brother were like teaching her and she’s a very smart lady, but I think it was such a new world for her of social media. And so I think she always was giving her 100% best effort to help in any way possible. And that came across in different ways. But I think more recently she’s become more of a protector and more opinionated. And she knows she has more confidence in her opinions. And I think that’s been good for both Logan and I.

THEO VON: Do you think that you guys’ careers have allowed you to see a new side of your mom that makes you have even some more unique thoughts about her? Does that make any sense?

JAKE PAUL: No, 100%. Yeah, like admire her more, or— yeah, that’s what it was, is admiring her more because I was built for this and destined for it, and you don’t know if your parents are always on that same wavelength. And I think a lot of celebrities and their parents probably don’t even get along or talk or are involved. I see a lot of that. And it turns out that she was fing built for this and she’s ready for the fire, which is gangster. And I was like, that’s my fing mom.

THEO VON: And that’s my freaking wife.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, sorry.

THEO VON: No, that’s my first date, bro. Dude, I’m just saying, take us to an award show. But yeah, I would take her somewhere nice. Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: Like, what restaurant do you think?

THEO VON: Oh, I know where I would take her. A place that has a golf course, but we don’t play golf. We’re just going to go eat there.

JAKE PAUL: Nice.

THEO VON: Watch the rich people come in. Oh, there’s Tom, you know, shit like that.

JAKE PAUL: Leonard. Oh yes, he has an institutional financial estate. Yeah, there he is.

THEO VON: Yeah, he has a tramp stamp on his back too. Don’t tell anybody.

JAKE PAUL: He got kind of crazy one month in the fing Hamptons. Oh, fing Leonard’s crazy.

THEO VON: Yeah, and I would just let her drink wine and I wouldn’t drink any, but I would smell her breath every now and then to get a hit of it, just to get the f*ing grapes in my nose, boy.

JAKE PAUL: How much would you like huff it?

THEO VON: Oh, I’d take a good whiff, dude. I would reverse boof it. I would put a straw in her mouth and then just suck the fing wine smoke out of her fing throat. This is getting bad. Dear God, I just ordered a fing— what am I, some kind of fing smut?

JAKE PAUL: I need another whiskey blue raspberry. Can one of you f*ing get it for me?

THEO VON: Yeah, go get him one.

JAKE PAUL: It’s in the f*ing refrigerator. There’s ice in the fridge. So, oh— but no, I think it’s—

Watching Parents Grow and Evolve

THEO VON: I’ve gotten to know her a little bit just by seeing her here and there, and I think her energy— I think it’s something nice when you get a chance in your life to see your mom in a different way. And I think that’s what happened. Yeah. And I think that it’s almost like a beautiful thing in a way. You almost get to see somebody grow into something different at some point in their life, which is really special, whether that’s— and it can be in any way. But I think so. So yeah, I could really imagine that. That’s nice.

JAKE PAUL: No, exactly. And a lot I’ve noticed, a lot of people don’t change or don’t know how to evolve and they just get stuck in their same patterns. And especially when they’re older, because if you’ve been doing something for 40 or 50 years, you’re going to get stuck in that rut. And so to see her change and actually be able to evolve is beautiful. And I notice it with my dad as well. He’s a little bit more behind, but he’s doing it and he’s doing the work. And that’s beautiful.

THEO VON: That’s awesome, man. I think it’s cool, like whenever, as a child, you get to be a part of something like that and see that. And I think there’s a lot of growth and moments there for ourselves and our parents. Yeah, being a son is an interesting responsibility when you realize that it’s not just like one of taking in a way. And I don’t mean that just because that’s how it is when you’re— you think it’s just like this one-way sort of thing.

JAKE PAUL: It is like— until you’re conscious enough to not take from your parents, it really is a one-way relationship, and it’s the first one-way relationship in your life. Do you have kids or like what’s going on? No, no wife?

Sobriety and Relationships

THEO VON: I don’t have any kids. I’m not dating right now. I’m just working on myself. The last year has been kind of tough with just staying on track. And then I realized I was just kind of putting myself in the situation, just things that weren’t like all rungs on the ladder towards my goal, you know? Some of them were fun rungs and things like that, but it just wasn’t where I needed to be. And some of the sobriety has been a little bit tough over the past year or so, but right now I’m doing better than I’ve done in a long time. And so yeah, I feel good about that.

JAKE PAUL: I need to go down, especially for you in your position and all of those things. People— it’s hard to find the right person that doesn’t have the wrong intentions.

THEO VON: Yeah, I feel like I’m a decent judge of that kind of stuff. I think I’m enjoying kind of not having to date and do things like that.

JAKE PAUL: The problem is, you can’t judge it until it’s time, because people are good actors these days.

THEO VON: So how did you know your girl was the right one for you? Was it like an experience y’all had together or like a thing?

JAKE PAUL: Being at just the same level, in terms of wealth or fame or stature, because then you know there’s not games. So yeah, you might have to find a famous girl. I don’t know.

THEO VON: I don’t know.

JAKE PAUL: But they also could understand, like— yeah, what?

THEO VON: Right.

JAKE PAUL: Like, you go to a waitress girl today and you’re like, “Theo’s like, oh, I had a podcast with Jake Paul and we talked about blackface and it was f*ing insane. And it’s going to break the internet and let’s see what happens.” And then she’s just like, “Yeah, I’m a waitress, do you want a shot?” Like, she’s not going to understand the importance of that, or you, or what you did.

THEO VON: I think, yeah, there could be some of that. But if she goes, “Well, I know what you’re going to have, the blackened salmon”— if she said that as a joke, then I would know, okay, maybe this bitch is f*ing— she at least has a sense of humor. So a sense of humor is big for me.

I do think there’s some things like, you also don’t want to add discomfort to someone’s life. I don’t want to add— if some of my bullshit or the little things that I’m involved in, I don’t want that to mess up somebody’s life.

JAKE PAUL: But that’s also why the famous girl would be good because she’s already like balls deep.

THEO VON: I got to meet one then. I will one of these days when I get back out there. Did you and your father do ayahuasca? Who did it?

Ayahuasca Experiences

JAKE PAUL: Yes.

THEO VON: Yeah, I’ve been there a few times, man. Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: Okay.

THEO VON: And thank God. I mean, dude, I’ll even f*ing talk to this bitch every now and then. Once you’ve done ayahuasca, dude, you look at a houseplant way different. You’re like, “How are you boys this morning? You know, huh? 10 and 2, you know, bro.”

JAKE PAUL: I’m not going to lie, bro. I’ve talked to—

THEO VON: Have you talked about this ad nauseam? I didn’t know if you have.

JAKE PAUL: Well, about what?

THEO VON: Have you talked about this so much? I didn’t even know.

JAKE PAUL: No, no, no. I’m saying after doing ayahuasca, I like grab steel sometimes, or like aluminum and metal, and talk to it because it’s a living object. People don’t understand that metal is a living object. So that sounds f*ing insane, but it’s no different than a plant. Yeah, they’re atoms moving around. And so I actually talk to the items in my house to give them better energy.

THEO VON: Like, “Let me boost your spirits today, guys. I know you’re a bookshelf, but you don’t know what you’re holding on to, you know what I’m saying? You’ve got everything. You’ve got The Crucible right here on your back. You’ve got all these freaking— oh God, Moby Dick. He’s carrying the Bible, the 7 Bibles, Bridges of Madison County, bro.”

JAKE PAUL: My bookshelf is tired, bro.

THEO VON: Yeah, you got Dunkirk on here.

JAKE PAUL: You got to talk to it.

THEO VON: You have no clue what you’re doing. I like that. Yeah, but to boost up your fing boys who were fing carrying all your words around, I like that.

JAKE PAUL: I boost up everything in my house, bro.

THEO VON: Where’d you guys do it at? Did somebody come to you?

JAKE PAUL: I’ve done it a bunch of times. Mostly Costa Rica.

THEO VON: Oh, and did your wife go too?

JAKE PAUL: Yes.

THEO VON: Wow.

JAKE PAUL: Oh yeah, there’s the video.

THEO VON: Oh yeah, dude, you got the fancy one. I did it right outside of a Popeyes over there off the 101.

JAKE PAUL: You just did it here?

THEO VON: No, off the 101 in LA. Your neighborhood.

JAKE PAUL: Can’t do that, bro. You got to do the shit.

THEO VON: Was popping.

JAKE PAUL: It was good. It was good.

THEO VON: It was popping.

JAKE PAUL: Okay. What was the biggest thing you took away from it then? Like— oh dude, I remember.

Childhood Insecurities and Self-Love

THEO VON: I mean, you want, like, a deep thing? Yeah. There was a point, like, I remember this feeling that I had when I was a kid that maybe if I was a girl, that I would— my parents would love me more. So I was like, there was like this weird, like, just questioning of who I was or something. I remember that, that was like a crazy thought that I had when I was a kid.

JAKE PAUL: I mean, that’s like a comparable thing, which goes back to like— they probably made you feel compared or some weird shit. Like, I don’t know how to psychoanalyze all of that.

THEO VON: Yeah, no, but it was something. Yeah, I just thought like maybe they don’t see me as I am, so maybe it was just a thought that as a kid, well, maybe if I was a girl they would see me. It was just—

JAKE PAUL: But that’s kind of a crazy thought that a kid would have, and it sucks.

THEO VON: Yeah, so things like that, and you kind of process those. Like, you know, you process for like a kid feeling those things?

JAKE PAUL: Yep. I think the biggest one for me was self-love. It was like, just putting the mirror up of like, look at yourself and how come you don’t love yourself sometimes. And in a lot of moments I do. But I think that trickles out into a lot of other areas of life where it can not be good.

THEO VON: Like where it turns into ego or where it turns into that kind of stuff.

JAKE PAUL: Exactly.

THEO VON: Yeah, it’s scary.

JAKE PAUL: Yep. And just like, yeah, just like even insecurity is a part of self-love. And so I’ve actually really worked on it and gotten so much better at it. And I feel secure now. But I came from a place of insecurity. But it takes practice to get there and to find that confidence and that love and to know who you are and not give a f* what anyone thinks. Because I also was like judged and in public scrutiny and all of these things since I was like 19. So I think that was the biggest thing was self-love.

Ayahuasca and Healing

THEO VON: Yeah, dude, it’s funny. We were talking about this the other day in a meeting, and thanks for sharing that with me. We’re talking about, did your dad say any wild shit while he was in there? Was he in there f*ing capping?

JAKE PAUL: He was, bro. He’s like, her name was Janet.

THEO VON: Was he just yelling shit in there or whatever, bro? I literally had to— because that’s crazy, bro, to sit there with one of the people that created you and to be on that journey. That seems wild to me. Was it like that or was it not like that? It just seemed like it wasn’t.

JAKE PAUL: It wasn’t. I realized the sweetest thing about my father is that he’s a protector and he’s a fing warrior. And he was so high off of ayahuasca that he was like trying to figure out where his fiancée was. And like protect her. And he thought that like people were like trying to attack her and there was no one there. And he was just like, I need to get— I need to protect— I need to do this. I need to do this. So I was like installing a fing security system. He turned into f*ing Secret Service.

THEO VON: But there he is right there. There he is drinking soup through his head. That guy’s walking out of his dome, bro.

JAKE PAUL: So it’s really interesting though, like, get a spoon, honky.

THEO VON: Sorry, that’s my mom driving by to tell me to brush my teeth.

JAKE PAUL: So, was his mind blown if he’d never done anything like that? All right, so he had a stroke before this, and before ayahuasca, I’ve always been into psychedelics because I’m in the sport where you get f*ing hit in the head and there’s science around mushrooms creating neurogenesis as well as toad 5-MeO-DMT. Yeah, I’m friends with Brian Johnson.

THEO VON: I was just— he just did it.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, I relate to him in that sense. I’ve done it like 10 times. And so I basically told him at some point to do it as a science thing. These things are like actual magic in the world, and people don’t understand their significance and how profound they are and how much healing can be done.

And when you talk to these people from the Sonoran tribe who are like masters in the toad, and that’s where they like originated it, it cures Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, all of these things, the list goes on and on and on. And it’s actually shielded from— there’s a reason why it’s illegal in the United States because of Big Pharma.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: And etc.

THEO VON: Big Pharma sucks.

JAKE PAUL: We can go down that rabbit hole, but—

THEO VON: Well, there’s a law— they’re trying to pass a law right now and they’re allowing ibogaine in Tennessee and they need to pass it. It’s something all these, all these plant medicines need to be—

JAKE PAUL: They need to be approved 100%.

THEO VON: Now, people don’t need to be buying them out of a f*ing, like, one of those, like, skill crane machines or something like that at a Pizza Hut or whatever, you know.

JAKE PAUL: But it’s fing wild that you could just go to any local place here 5 minutes away and get a fing double Moscow Mule. Yeah, but you can’t do something that’s actually good for you. What does that say about our leaders, about pharma, about insurance, all of these things?

And there’s no one who’s ever fing done toad or mushrooms and done something bad. Yeah, but you’ve seen hundreds of times where the alcoholic is shooting up a place and killing people and beating his wife. So like, what the f are we doing as a society? It’s ass backwards. It’s sad.

Plant Medicine Legislation

THEO VON: And I agree. I mean, I just— yeah, I think it’s awesome that you are such a proponent of that, man, because that’s a big thing that’s going on right now. I think— when is that bill? Can you look it up for me?

The Helping Open Pathways to Effective Treatment Act, HB 2075, is under consideration in the 2025-2026 legislative session. The bill would not legalize ibogaine for general use. Instead, it would create a state framework for FDA-supervised clinical trials targeting opioid use disorder, co-occurring substance disorders, PTSD, and related brain injury conditions funded via a public-private matching grant structure. I’m a proponent of that. Are you?

JAKE PAUL: 1000%. Amen.

THEO VON: There, you heard that.

JAKE PAUL: F*ing vote.

THEO VON: Let’s f*ing vote. Vote for toads. That’s it, bro.

JAKE PAUL: We love frogs. And toads.

THEO VON: Did your relationship with your dad change after it or no? Or was it just kind of another—

JAKE PAUL: Okay, so I mean, there’s like a really interesting thing that happened to him. When you know the ayahuasca experts, they’ve seen everything. And my dad had a stroke and you could viscerally see a difference in how he talked and acted. He like wasn’t there. It was like lights on, no one’s home, like 60%, not full on. But it was sad. And I was like, yo, like, talk to a bunch of people, blah, blah, blah. Let’s do ayahuasca.

So he basically did it. And what the shamans were saying was— and what they could feel— they’re experts at this shit, by the way, and it’s not bullshit. They don’t give a f, bro. Like, they live in the middle of the fing jungle in f*ing Peru. They were just like, “I could tell his spirit was cut.” And during this experience, his spirit came back to him. And hell yeah, like since that day he’s just been normal again.

THEO VON: No way.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, so noticeably everyone notices it, and everyone was worried before it. Like they were like, yo, like he’s got— I don’t want to use the R word, right, because I would never say retard or fat. But like, I don’t say it.

THEO VON: No, me either.

JAKE PAUL: I’ll never say it.

THEO VON: I’ll spray paint it on your wall.

JAKE PAUL: I’ll never say it.

THEO VON: Yeah, but I’m not saying it.

JAKE PAUL: But he was like low-key retarded.

THEO VON: And well, that’s not even— yeah, that’s fine.

JAKE PAUL: It brought him back. So damn.

THEO VON: And imagine that, dude. Imagine you just— somebody rolls into like a learning disabled class, which I was in, and I was in— yeah, I was in there for not a long time, but I did a little bit of time in there. And imagine somebody rolls in there one day, and the next day that classroom opens up and kids can be healed. I think there’s a lot of healing in this stuff.

Related psychedelic evidence right there on— this is on Perplexity: DMT, ayahuasca’s key active component, is under Phase 1 trials for stroke safety and recovery potential, with preclinical data indicating brain healing via neuroplasticity. Wow.

JAKE PAUL: So, this is science, right? And there’s a big problem with science. And yes, it’s that everything is like documented and like experiment and like measure, measure, measure. And there’s a good side of that. But bro, these fing people have been doing psychedelics for thousands of years and have reported studies, human to human. They’re not fing scientists, but they have the human to human conversation of like, “Yo, this actually worked,” right? And so that’s not going to be on f*ing— yeah, Perplexity.

THEO VON: Well, it’s not some gooner in a lab wearing fing Keds who’s fing doing all this shit, you know? We’re talking about real— yeah, people that are in the woods who have been doing— they know what’s going on.

JAKE PAUL: Exactly.

THEO VON: It’s crazy how we’ve gotten so far away from like all this shit, like how we got so far away from all these like real healing methods that have been alive for thousands of years. And then we got into this just like bare Monsanto f*ing bullshit where we’re all just addicted to stuff and it’s ruining people’s lives. And then now we’re getting back out of that. I feel like we’re getting back out of that faster than ever though.

JAKE PAUL: Do you feel that?

THEO VON: Yeah, I think I do.

JAKE PAUL: I do, I do.

THEO VON: And because we trusted our government. We trusted that the EPA and FDA, all these things were taking care of us. But now it’s like, f*, they’re making us sick. There’s a healthcare that doesn’t want to take care of it. It’s like, it’s been a road.

JAKE PAUL: Yes. And like, the best thing is that social media removed the barriers for information, knowledge. And anyone can say whatever they want. And I find that the truth is— I don’t find— I know that the truth is resonating more. So people understand more about health, psychedelics, peptides, love, relationships, authenticity.

There’s a reason why like certain celebrities are like falling off is because they’re just like, “Oh, you’re fake as f*. We don’t like you.” So I think it’s a good thing. It’s a great thing. And it almost goes back to like freedom of speech, but like imagine freedom of speech with marketing behind it.

THEO VON: Yeah, I think it’s like— I do—

JAKE PAUL: I—

THEO VON: You can hope that we’re in a new revolution of some sort, you know. That’s always a nice hope to have, I find.

Fight Stories and Opponents

THEO VON: Dude, let’s talk about some of these fights, dude. Who had the dumbest trunks on that you fought? You thought you’re like, “This f*ing— I’m knocking this guy out just because of the trunks.” Was there anybody who’s just like, I can’t—

JAKE PAUL: I’m not going to lie, bro, like Ben Askren. I f*ing love the guy. I donated to his double lung surgery, but like, bro, he just doesn’t have any steez.

THEO VON: Hmm.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, he’s the most like vanilla, like dumbass white guy who just like got told what to wear, bro.

THEO VON: It’s—

JAKE PAUL: I don’t even remember it until you pulled up this photo, but like, bro, he looks like a f*ing idiot.

THEO VON: He just wore kind of like trunks from the—

JAKE PAUL: Like, you literally just like found them at a local store.

MVP Boxing Promotion

THEO VON: Yeah, he always had this— there was always an energy during that where it seemed like he’d just kind of woken up earlier, you know? And blessings, Tammy, he’s doing much better now. Dude, so what about MVP? You guys have hosted— you guys have promoted like 30 fights now.

JAKE PAUL: Okay, you’re teaching me this information.

THEO VON: Okay, thank you. How has that been as a promoter? How has it been different than you thought it would be? What is some of the energy going on with that?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, we came into the game and this was like I saw boxing as like taxi and we were Uber, and it was just so obvious. And we operate as like a startup. And me and my business partner don’t need money.

THEO VON: Who? Jiwoo? I just think it’s funny.

JAKE PAUL: Different guy. Okay. It’s Nikisa.

THEO VON: Okay, sorry.

JAKE PAUL: He’s from Iran. Jeff’s going to love this shit. He’s going to watch it and be like, oh, f* yeah, you don’t want it. Yo, that’s good, Jeff. I think you should change your Instagram to G-Won It.

So me and Nikisa have money from other shit and don’t need to do it, and that’s why our motto is always like, fighter first. And that’s actually very important. So when you start there where you like fighter first and operate as a startup, we instantly took over and resonated with fighters and are clearly the best to work with and make our fighters the most amount of money and give them the highest percentage of the fights, etc.

But on top of that, if you just want to talk analytics, coming into the game, I have 100 million followers or something like that. And the second biggest promoter is Dana White with like 30. So I’m like 3 times bigger than him.

UFC and the Competition

THEO VON: Is that y’all’s biggest competition then? Is there another boxing— I guess there’s Zuffa. Zuffa’s new.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, they just started and they’re already making a lot of mistakes and are quite basic. And yeah, you don’t want to pay Conor Benn $15 million to do an easy-ass fight against Regis right off rip, because your whole UFC model is paying fighters like one-third of that max.

THEO VON: Do you think it sets a tough precedent for them?

JAKE PAUL: Exactly. They already f*ed up bad. Maybe if they were to buy us or partner with us, they would have such a better outcome, which I truly believe.

THEO VON: Could you see a world where you’re a partner?

JAKE PAUL: I’m open to it. Yeah, but buy us. Like, we’ll help you guys not be idiots. The amount of money you would spend— I don’t have an ego, bro. I’ll work with anybody.

THEO VON: But Dana is a very smart guy.

JAKE PAUL: I mean, he’s not smart enough.

THEO VON: What makes you say that?

JAKE PAUL: Just look at what he’s doing. You don’t not pay your fighters, bro. You don’t get Jon Jones on the White House card. First of all, Justin Gaethje is going to lose to Ilia on the White House card. So you have a Spaniard beating a white American on the patriotic White House card. Like, okay, big mistake, first of all. Second of all, why are you not going to pay Jon Jones?

THEO VON: Do you think it was a financial thing with him?

JAKE PAUL: Bro, this is like one of the most profitable sports organizations in history. Their investors have gotten greedy. They’re in control. They are looking at the P&Ls and being like, yo, we can just keep pumping this shit. And they forgot their heart as a company. That’s the problem. And so it’s dying.

And also MMA— I’m always going to speak the truth, and I’m partners with Netflix on an MMA event.

THEO VON: So I know you guys have that. Do you guys have that event coming up?

JAKE PAUL: But MMA hasn’t stood the test of time because the best people in the sport become wrestlers and they just hold on.

THEO VON: What do you mean? Like CM Punk? You mean there’s a lot of great fighters in the—

JAKE PAUL: No, Khabib. Cosmo, like, they become wrestlers.

THEO VON: I see, like, ground game guys.

JAKE PAUL: Exactly.

THEO VON: Not like WWE guys.

JAKE PAUL: Just boring. No one wants to watch that.

THEO VON: There is a level.

JAKE PAUL: So it hasn’t stood the test of time.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: Boxing has been around since the 1500s. MMA is 30 years and it’s declining. And also because it’s not run properly. And they’re becoming greedy, and it’s like a super corporate organization where they’re signed with Paramount, they have stockholders, it’s a part of the WWE, Ari Emanuel, public company, blah blah blah. So when they’re paying fighters like 15% of the revenue— by the way, down to 10%— the investors are going to be like, yeah, we’re going to make more money.

THEO VON: Is it 10% money? Change it.

JAKE PAUL: It’s going down.

THEO VON: So you’re just assuming that it is?

JAKE PAUL: The NFL pays their athletes 50% of the revenue. So if the NFL makes a billion dollars, the athletes make $500 million.

THEO VON: Got it.

JAKE PAUL: In the UFC, it’s $150 million out of a billion, but when you exclude Conor McGregor and Jon Jones from that, it becomes like 5%, $50 million out of a billion.

The UFC Business Model

THEO VON: Because they make less— you mean the overall gross is less, so then the percentage is less? Yeah, because that number factors in the super fights where— I am a UFC fan and I’ve just enjoyed being associated over there. I have so much fun over there. It’s such an interesting thing.

Some of the business side I don’t know about, but it does feel like— here’s what I hear people say: the cards have gotten not as interesting, right? Because there’s more cards. But you also hear people say that, like, my sponsor was saying this morning, he’s saying, “Dude, I love that I can just turn on Paramount and that the UFC is on there every week.” So I think there’s different avenues to go down with it. And I think that sports—

JAKE PAUL: What is Paramount? Like, who has that? Do you have one?

THEO VON: I don’t know exactly. Yes. I don’t know if I do.

JAKE PAUL: That’s what I’m saying.

THEO VON: Yeah, I might. I probably do. I don’t—

JAKE PAUL: I think I have one, but like, I don’t know.

THEO VON: Yeah, that’s what I mean.

JAKE PAUL: But I think like if they were like gun to head, going to shoot you, log in, probably going to figure out the logins.

THEO VON: That’s true. Well, that’s a great game show, dude.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. LoginDeath.com.

THEO VON: All right. Today we fing— some dude, you pull him in blindfolded. He’s like, “Motherfer, you got 30 seconds to get into Spotify Premium.”

JAKE PAUL: Everyone would die.

THEO VON: He gets to call his wife. You get one call, but that person can’t look it up. Yeah. We just thought you knew this, honey. Damn it, Stephanie, you’re the one that— what is it?

JAKE PAUL: You’re the one.

THEO VON: Wizard 60. What is it? You guys are co-promoting the new MMA card that’s on Netflix.

The Netflix MMA Event

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, so that’s the whole thing is like— bro, why are you laughing, bro?

THEO VON: Look at this. This is crazy though, bro. Was there another opportunity for Ngannou to fight someone else? I mean, I know that Linz is kind of a new name to a lot of people.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, but he’s very f*ing good. It’s a more dangerous fight for him than— who do we have as the other opponent?

THEO VON: It should be Ngannou versus damn Bigfoot if y’all could find him. People would watch that shit.

JAKE PAUL: We had a— I forget who the f* it was. We had a different name who was a bigger name and easier fight for him. So as Francis is, you know, we joke around and fight, blah blah marketing, but respect to him for doing this. And it’s a very challenging fight, so it’s going to be fun. And Diaz versus Perry, it’s just gangster, gangster, bro.

THEO VON: We just had Nate Diaz on. This is before we knew that you were coming on, and he was on like— it hasn’t even come out yet, but he did talk about this something. Pull up the clip that he had talked about.

JAKE PAUL: He talked about some of the fights between us.

THEO VON: Yeah, he talked about a couple of things here. Let me see what we got in here.

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

NATE DIAZ: I’m not fighting for MVP, I’m fighting for Netflix, and I’m fighting from Real Fight Incorporated, which I’ll probably be doing next with Netflix anyway. Real Fight Entertainment on a thing and show you how to throw a real MMA fight show.

I’ve been in the UFC for 20 years now, so I’m like, yo, I’m going to do that from Real Fighting with— I’m not working for fing MVP like all these other motherfers are. I’m working for me, for Real Fighting, and I’m hunting Jake Paul’s motherf*ing ass, not taking a fight with a guy who’s on the comeback. Me and Conor will fight again when the time is right and it’s time to fight, but it’s going to be when we both on the uprise, not when someone’s dying out.

The whole fighting, even like Paul, I feel like I beat Paul. A lot of people felt that way, but it was his big show, so it’s like, okay, all right. But I know from experience I ain’t winning no decisions, even if I do. So watch that fight over and don’t read the punch count. In your own account without somebody else’s. I won that fight too.

VIDEO CLIP ENDS:

THEO VON: What do you think there, Jake? And that was Nate.

Jake’s Response to Nate Diaz

JAKE PAUL: I never say the word. I think it’s like super offensive. I would never say it. When you see someone that’s like— it’s just hard to comprehend what they’re saying. And I’m going to take the high road.

THEO VON: Okay.

JAKE PAUL: Because he technically is working for my company and he’s trying to deny it in that clip. And I’ll just leave it there because I don’t care about that. I want MMA to grow. But yes, technically he’s literally lying. “I don’t work for him.” Okay, that’s fine, bro. Whatever your ego wants, I’ll bend down to it. For now, because MMA is going to prosper and you, Nate, should just not lie. And yeah, f*.

THEO VON: Do you think he’s lying about the part about him thinking that he won?

JAKE PAUL: That’s— I don’t address stupidity. That’s the most bizarre part about it. But I don’t have time to address stupidity because then you give it more momentum. And maybe I’ll do it just this one time, but the judges said I won every single round. So if it was like a close fight, that would be a different convo, but this guy was like easy work, lightest puncher I’ve ever fought.

THEO VON: Is that true? You just saying that?

JAKE PAUL: On my mom’s life, rest in peace, strike her down, God. Nate Diaz is the lightest and worst puncher I’ve ever fought. He’s the toughest and he took the most damage, but in a sport— that’s not something to brag about. People come up to me and they’re like, “You’re so tough, you took shots from Joshua.” I don’t want to be complimented like this, right? I don’t want to be tough. That means you’re just getting beat up.

THEO VON: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

JAKE PAUL: The f*? That’s—

THEO VON: Yeah, that’s a good point, dude. I don’t want to be tough.

JAKE PAUL: Bro, any boxer who is tough sucks. No, I’m joking. But my coaches told me this early on. They’re like, “This is not a tough sport, this is a mental sport.”

Nate Diaz, MMA, and Business Priorities

THEO VON: Do you feel like you owe Nate or one of the other UFC guys an MMA bout? Does that— does any of that weigh on you sometimes?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, yeah, I want Nate in MMA. And I think it’s about— yeah, I think it’s high on my list of priorities to do that.

THEO VON: And what’s the toughest kind of barrier to entry to getting that done? Is it just the time it would take to get more prolific in some of that ground game and stuff in jiu-jitsu?

JAKE PAUL: No, no, it’s just the business side.

THEO VON: Got it.

JAKE PAUL: He probably wants a certain amount of money to take the risk in losing to me. And yeah, I just don’t give a f*. I have enough money. I got all my shit. So that’s why these guys are actual ducks, is because you can’t hide behind money anymore. So yeah, I think it’s going to happen though. And if he beats Perry, then me versus Nate is probably the number one thing on the list, like above Tommy Fury, above Francis Ngannou, above KSI.

THEO VON: Do you think he could beat Perry?

JAKE PAUL: I think he will. Yeah, I think he’ll take him down and submit him. What do you think? That’s such a dogfight, dude.

THEO VON: Mike Perry’s— first of all, the fight, they’re two of like really the most beloved outlier guys that, they’re just such both unique guys and they kind of do things their own way. I mean, I’m just— I’m trying to evade the question.

MVPW and Women’s Boxing

JAKE PAUL: What’s the program you have with the charity?

THEO VON: It’s the program for like parents, parents of autistic children, giving them like a day off. Yeah.

JAKE PAUL: So that’s why this fight is awesome, is like their parents are both going to get hella days off.

THEO VON: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don’t see it, but yeah.

JAKE PAUL: So you think they’re smart? Like, you would classify Nate Diaz and Mike Perry as smart? And by the way, that’s secluded from autism, okay? Like, autistic people are the smartest people in the world. But like, I’m just obviously joking. But I think you think they’re f*ing smart.

THEO VON: I think they got the toughest f*ing autism that there exists. Yeah, I wish I had that touch gloves, Tizm, you know. That’s what I want, dude.

JAKE PAUL: If they were starting a company, would you invest in it?

THEO VON: Come on, bro, that’s crazy, bro. That’s a crazy thing to ask somebody, and during the daytime.

JAKE PAUL: I’m pretty sure it’s like 6.

THEO VON: I think, dude, I would— it depends on what kind of business it was, I think. Oh yeah, if it were like a dog catching business, f* yeah, bro.

JAKE PAUL: Or brain rejuvenation.

THEO VON: Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude. I think— but yeah, if it’s like doing taxes and shit, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Now it’s just fine. Yeah, if it’s just f*ing getting your money back from somebody down the street business, then take my money, fellas. You got it. I’m in, dude. There’s a female fighter. There’s a—

JAKE PAUL: I gotta go.

THEO VON: We gotta get done.

JAKE PAUL: No, no, no, we don’t. We don’t.

THEO VON: We do, dude.

JAKE PAUL: No, bro, you know how many clips we’ve pumped out of this shit? We’re going to be on Twitter for like 9 days straight.

THEO VON: It’s fing ridiculous, dude. God, I gotta get some fing help. That’s the number one thing I say to myself every day, dude, is I gotta get some help. Rousey-Corona, what do you feel about this bout? Dude, Corona’s been out for a while.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, I think— was it tough to make that the lead bout?

THEO VON: Was there a purpose in that, like a reason behind it?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, we’re like proponents for women, mostly like putting them on the forefront. And I genuinely believe that women’s boxing is so entertaining. They’re shorter rounds and they just like fing go at each other. And I think they have a chip on their shoulder, so it becomes more entertaining than like a 12-round Floyd versus De La Hoya where they’re just like fing tapping each other for 12 rounds and everyone’s disappointed. So yeah, that was part of the purpose.

THEO VON: And that’s MVPW, that was part of a group you guys launched?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, we— yeah, so my company’s MVP, and then we have MVPW, which is like women’s, that side of things.

THEO VON: And were you searching for your fighters? How are you going to populate this to have good bouts? Like, has that become a concern? Because a lot of people are under UFC.

JAKE PAUL: No, no, it’s the opposite. We have all the best women signed to us for boxing. Yeah.

THEO VON: Okay.

JAKE PAUL: I mean, now MMA, I guess, as well, like starting in MMA, but mostly boxing. The beautiful thing about it is that we can make the mega fights happen because we know both sides of the party.

THEO VON: And will they be able to fight in UFC? Will people under your banner be able to fight in UFC or Netflix’s thing if they keep this going, or are they separate?

JAKE PAUL: No, no, no, no. Yeah, we’re completely separate from the UFC.

THEO VON: Got it.

JAKE PAUL: And a competitor. So it’s actually like UFC’s with Paramount, MVP’s with Netflix.

THEO VON: Okay, I got it now. Yeah. Dang, dude, that’s wild, bro. Congratulations, man.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, thank you.

THEO VON: Congratulations, dude. It’s— watching you is an interesting sport. And I mean that in a lot of ways, like, really.

JAKE PAUL: So it increases your heart rate to watch me?

THEO VON: Probably does, which is okay.

JAKE PAUL: It’s a sport.

THEO VON: I mean, it’s just like, yeah, there’s admiration because you kind of defy the odds, you kind of— I don’t know what it is. It’s interesting and it’s fun. And it’s interesting to see a guy who’s fighting and is also in the business side. I think there’s just a lot of stuff to see. You’d be a business guy is— it’s all interesting, dude. It’s judgmental.

Jake’s Instagram Post

JAKE PAUL: No, I would agree. And I think I wrote like a little stupid fing thing to put on Instagram. Yeah, that I think can like summarize me a little bit. I think it’s like super fing gay to talk about it, but you want me to read it? Like, we might not put this part in, but it kind of summarizes what you’re saying.

Okay, so:

“Life became unrelatable, so it’s easy to become hateable. I live in truth, so my views are undebatable. Life’s become approvals and payables. Funny how I was the only one who knew I was capable. Now anything in life is available, only because I became unbreakable. Once in a generation beyond occasional. Send all the pressure, please. God is protecting me. I’m gravitational. I hope you don’t hate and use it as motivational, but honestly, this shit is not sustainable or very attainable. Have to manage it with Ivy League Occupational Harvard lady over there. I post more content than you, but I’m still untraceable. I hate to be cocky, but at this point it’s educational. This is who the f I am. It’s not recreational. You probably could, but if we’re being honest, you are not capable. So again, that’s why I’m hateable. Is he a politician, investor, rapper, boxer? It’s unexplainable. And that’s why I’m inescapable.”*

So I think that’s like what—

THEO VON: Dude, I f*ing really like that. I think. And you know what? Yes. That’s what I was trying to say.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah.

THEO VON: And it is. And it is, man.

JAKE PAUL: And you know, the sad part about it is that people are going to clip that and be like— no, but that’s why I’m saying it’s like sad that they’re going to clip it and be like, “bro thought he cooked.”

THEO VON: No, we’re not saying that you are, what’s that guy’s called, Ghana or whatever. We’re just saying that you— I— that you explained exactly what I was thinking, and that’s— yeah, yeah, I agree.

JAKE PAUL: That’s why I brought it up, otherwise I wouldn’t have. But the sad part is that people are going to clip it and be like— but people are also freaking touching their own dicks all the time, so people are disgusting. You don’t touch your own dick.

THEO VON: Jerking off is gay, dude. You’re jerking a dude off. Yeah, it’s you, but it’s still a dude, bro. F* that. Now some chick rolls up with a cock, maybe I’ll help her out, you feel me? BLM, dude.

Logan Paul, Fatherhood, and Family

JAKE PAUL: So you love Thailand?

THEO VON: Never been. I haven’t even looked at— I haven’t even going there on like one of those map zoom-in views, like Street Views or whatever. Do your brother just had a child, do you get competitive with him? Like, do you start to think about that yet, or you guys aren’t really kicking that can around at the moment? Because once wife got that gold, bro, you know what I’m saying, you could hatch something. And sorry, that’s just something I’ve read recently on a headstone in Memphis, so that was just like, has something. Yeah, once wife got that gold, you could hatch something, you know.

JAKE PAUL: That’s just like, damn, someone else’s wife got gold. That would be rare.

THEO VON: No, I just mean somebody might have got a gold grill put in or something. It could mean anything. I’ve read it.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, you’re right. No, it’s inspiring. Yeah, it’s so inspiring.

THEO VON: Has it been interesting to see him be a dad? Like, is that different? It’s—

JAKE PAUL: He’s a f*ing loser now. Logan, bro, you go to bed at 10 PM. Like, he used to be cool and like kick it and like drink and smoke with us, and then he just like goes to bed at 10 PM.

But honestly, bro, I’m so happy for him. Like, this is what’s needed. Like, he’s amazing, and he’s a great dad. It’s just like funny because— and again, I would never use the word, the R word, but like when he’s walking down the beach with his kid. And I’m like, bro, this is my brother. Like, he’s fing retarded. And he’s like carrying the baby down the fing beach. And he’s like got it on his shoulder. I’m like, bro, what the f* is going on? It’s just funny. But I’m so happy for him.

And Esme is like the coolest thing in the world. And yeah, she’s like 18 months, and I like went to hang out with her the other day, and like we don’t see each other a lot because we’re always busy. Logan’s traveling, we like whatever. But she’s looking at me and I’m like saying hi to her, and she goes “Jake.” And she says my name for the first time. I was like, bro, game over.

THEO VON: That’s cool.

JAKE PAUL: I was like, I started like getting teary-eyed and like, it’s just the craziest thing ever.

THEO VON: Has it brought your family overall closer together?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, 100%.

THEO VON: Isn’t that amazing? Yeah, it’s crazy how something like that— when we first had my first niece, it was like the first time we were a family. It felt like in some ways.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, I would agree. I think. And Nina, by the way, is such a great mom. She’s doing such a great job and she like sends videos and pictures to us every day.

THEO VON: Oh, that’s sweet of her.

JAKE PAUL: So shout out to Nina for f*ing being amazing on that side of things.

THEO VON: Yeah, it’s nice. It keeps you involved, makes you feel like a part of it. That’s important.

JAKE PAUL: Yep. And they do this thing where it’s like outfit of the day and Esme like loves it and she like knows even though she can’t talk really. She like puts on her outfit and then Nina like films her coming out of the room with the outfit and like hypes her up and then Esme like loves it and is like— she like knows that it’s like some important moment. So it’s really f*ing beautiful, like little shit like that.

Wrapping Up

THEO VON: Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, stuff like that that makes you feel kind of connected. That’s awesome. Shout out to Nina. That’s beautiful. And congratulations to them. It is exciting. That baby looks so happy, huh?

JAKE PAUL: Happiest baby ever, I think. Really, bro?

THEO VON: That’s the blessing.

JAKE PAUL: I get these videos every day and she’s just like happiness maxing.

THEO VON: Dude, when you get some cap-ass baby, that shit’s f*ing trash.

JAKE PAUL: Honestly, that’s the problem is you can’t return it.

THEO VON: You gotta f*ing remodel.

JAKE PAUL: There’s no coupon.

THEO VON: Put some f*ing Fendi on that bitch or something. You gotta do something, bruh, because they got some cap-ass children out there.

JAKE PAUL: They gotta redo the genetics. Type shit.

Closing Thoughts

THEO VON: Blessings to them, man. Jake, thanks for coming and hanging out, dude. I appreciate it, bro. I’ve just enjoyed getting to talk to you. This is the most you and I’ve ever talked, and I think it’s like, yeah, you just get a different concept of people. It’s hard to know people until you talk to them, dude.

Brian Johnson, I thought that that guy was going to be like, he was going to show up like in bubble wrap or something, f*ing drinking his own cum or something. Bro, sorry, you know he’s had a little—

JAKE PAUL: Wait, but by the way, what I’m saying is, dude, he was a cool—

THEO VON: He was like, just as— it just like, it’s just interesting until you get to know somebody. You’re right, we live in this place where we assume things based on what we see. It’s all interesting. And some of it’s our fault, and some of it is a place of where we are. It’s interesting though, you know.

JAKE PAUL: I killed him the other day.

THEO VON: Did you really?

JAKE PAUL: Yeah, I killed him.

THEO VON: He’ll be back. Oh, you put him to sleep? Wow. He’s supposed to go to bed at 4:30 PM anyway.

JAKE PAUL: I killed him.

THEO VON: Hell yeah, bro. This dude is up for anything, bro.

JAKE PAUL: No, no, like he’s dead.

THEO VON: Oh damn. Okay.

JAKE PAUL: Yeah. Well, I don’t know. So I kind of f*ed up the don’t die movement, but he’s such a great guy, but I had to kill him.

THEO VON: Hey, bro, I kind of feel you. You know, he is that neighbor that’s out in the front yard fing boiling his own blood and shit. You know, that could fing—

JAKE PAUL: I love that guy. He’s a genius. But bro, I’m Jake Paul. I had to go viral.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah, bro.

JAKE PAUL: So I had to kill him.

THEO VON: Dude, yeah, it’s for the game. Yeah, yeah, I see that shit for sure, dude. RIP Brian Johnson, bro. Yeah, see you at the crossroads, homie gang. Thanks, Jake.

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