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Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order: Ray Dalio (Transcript)

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Ray Dalio – Author

The changing world order — the times ahead will be radically different from those that we’ve experienced in our lifetimes, though similar to many times before.

How do I know that? Because they always have been.

Over my roughly 50 years of global macroeconomic investing, I’ve learned the hard way that the most important events that surprised me did so, because they never happened in my lifetime.

These painful surprises led me to study the last 500 years of history for similar situations where I saw that they had indeed happened many times before, with the ups and the downs of the Dutch, British and U.S. empires. And every time they did, it was a sign of the changing world order.

This study taught me valuable lessons that I’m going to pass along to you here in a distilled form. You can find the comprehensive version in my book “Principles for Dealing With The Changing World Order”.

HOW I LEARNED TO ANTICIPATE THE FUTURE BY STUDYING THE PAST

Let me begin with a story that brought me to this point about how I learned to anticipate the future by studying the past.

In 1971, when I was a young clerk on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, the United States ran out of money and defaulted on its debts. That’s right; the U.S. ran out of money. How?

Well, back then gold was the money used in transactions between countries. Paper money, like the dollar, was like checks in a checkbook in that it had no value other than it could be exchanged for gold, which was the real money.

At the time the United States was spending a lot more money than it was earning by writing a lot more of these paper money checks than it had gold in the bank to exchange for them. As people turned these checks into the bank for gold money, the amount of gold in the U.S. started to dwindle.

It soon became obvious that the U.S. couldn’t keep its promises for all the existing paper money, so people holding dollars rushed to exchange them before the gold ran out.

Recognizing that the U.S. was going to run out of real money, on Sunday evening, August 15th, President Nixon went on television to tell the world that the U.S. was breaking its promise to let people exchange their dollars for gold. Of course, he didn’t say it that way; he said it more diplomatically without making it clear that the United States was defaulting.

(Video: [President Nixon] ‘Strength of a nation’s currency is based on the strength of that nation’s economy, and the American economy is by far the strongest in the world. Accordingly I have directed the Secretary of the Treasury to take the action necessary to defend the dollar against the speculators. I have directed Secretary Connally to suspend temporarily the convertibility of the dollar into gold or other reserve assets, except in amounts and conditions determined to be in the interest of monetary stability and in the best interest of the United States.’)

I watched in awe realizing that money as we understood it was ending. What a crisis? I expected the stock market to plunge the next day, so I got on the exchange floor early to prepare when the opening bell rang, pandemonium broke out, but not the kind I expected. The market was up… way up and went on to rise nearly 25%. That surprised me, because I never experienced a currency devaluation before.

When I dug into history, I discovered that the exact same thing happened in 1933, and had the exact same effect. Then paper dollars were also linked to gold which the U.S. was running out of, because it was spending more paper money checks than it had gold to exchange for them. And President Roosevelt announced on the radio that he would break the country’s promise to exchange dollars for gold.

[Radio: (President Roosevelt): Itwas then that I issued the proclamation, providing for the national bank holiday. This was the first step in the government’s reconstruction of our financial and economic fabric. The second step, last Thursday was the legislation promptly and patriotically passed by the Congress confirming my proclamation and broadening my powers so that it became possible in view of the requirement of time to extend the holiday and lift the ban of that holiday gradually in the days to come. This law also gave authority to develop a….”]

In both cases, breaking the link to gold allowed the U.S. to continue spending more than it earned, simply by printing more paper dollars. Since there was an increase in the number of dollars, without an increase in the country’s wealth, the value of each dollar fell.

As these new dollars entered the market without a corresponding increase in productivity, they went to buy lots of stocks, gold and commodities, and hence caused their prices to rise.

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As I studied more history, I saw that the exact same thing happened many many times before. I saw that since the beginning of time, when governments spent much more than they took in in taxes, and conditions got bad, they ran out of money and they needed more, so they printed more… a lot more which made its value fall and made the prices of most everything, including stocks, gold and commodities rise.

That’s when I first learned the principle that when central banks print a lot of money to relieve a crisis, buy stocks, gold and commodities, because their value will rise and the value of paper money will fall. This printing of money is also what happened in 2008 to relieve the mortgage driven debt crisis, and in 2020 to relieve the pandemic-driven economic crisis. And it almost certainly will happen in the future.

So I suggest that you keep this principle in mind.

These experiences gave me another principle which is to understand what is coming at you. You need to understand what happened before you. That principle led me to study how the roaring 20’s Bubble turned into the 1930’s Depression, which gave me the lessons that allowed me to anticipate and profit from the 2007 bubble, turning into the 2008 bust.

All these experiences led me to develop an almost instinctual urge to look to the past for similar situations, to learn how to handle the future well.

CHANGING ORDERS

Over the last few years, three big things that hadn’t happened in my lifetime prompted me to do this study.

First, countries didn’t have enough money to pay their debts, even after lowering interest rates to zero. So their central banks began printing lots of money to do so.

Second, big internal conflicts emerged due to growing gaps in wealth and values. This showed up in political populism and polarization between the left who want to redistribute wealth and the right who want to defend those holding the wealth.

And third, increasing external conflict between a rising great power and the leading great power as is now happening with China and the United States.

So I looked back. I saw that all these had happened together before many times, and nearly always led to changing domestic and world orders. The last time this sequence happened was from 1930 to 1945.

What exactly is an order? You might ask. It’s a governing system for people dealing with each other. There are internal orders for governing within countries typically laid out in constitutions; and there is a world order for governing between countries, typically laid out in treaties.

Internal orders change at different times than world orders, the weather within or between countries… these orders typically change after wars. Civil wars within countries; international wars between countries.

They happen when revolutionary new forces defeat weak old orders. For example, the U.S. internal order was laid out in the constitution in 1789 after the American Revolution, and it is still operating today even after the American Civil War.

Russia got rid of its old order and established a new one with the Russian Revolution in 1917 which ended in 1991 with a relatively bloodless revolution.

China began its current internal order in 1949 when the Chinese Communist Party won the civil war. You get the idea.

The current world order, commonly called the American World Order formed after the Allied victory in World War II when the U.S. emerged as the dominant world power. It was set out in agreements and treaties for how global governance and monetary systems work.

In 1944, the new World Monetary System was laid out in the Bretton Woods Agreement and established the dollar as the world’s leading reserve currency. A reserve currency is a currency that is commonly accepted around the world, and having one is a key factor in a country becoming the richest and most powerful empire.

With a new dominant power and monetary system established, a new world order begins. These changes take place in a timeless and universal cycle that I call the Big Cycle.

THE BIG CYCLE

I’ll start with a quick overview, then give you a more complete version, and then direct you to my book if you want more. As I studied the 10 most powerful empires over the last 500 years, and the last three reserve currencies, it took me through the rise and decline of the Dutch empire and the guilder, the British empire and the pound, the rise and early decline in the United States empire and the dollar, and the decline and rise of the Chinese empire and its currencies, as well as the rise and decline of the Spanish, German, French, Indian, Japanese, Russian and Ottoman empires, along with their significant conflicts as measured in this chart

To understand China’s patterns better, I also studied the rise and fall of Chinese dynasties and their monies back to the year 600. Because looking at all these measures at once can be confusing, I’ll focus on the four most important ones: the Dutch; British; U.S. and Chinese. You’ll quickly notice the pattern.

Now let’s simplify the form a bit. As you can see they transpired in overlapping cycles that lasted about 250 years with 10 to 20 year transition periods between them. Typically these transitions have been periods of great conflict, because leading powers don’t decline without a fight.

So how am I measuring an empire’s power? In this study I used eight metrics. Each country’s measure of total power is derived by averaging them together. They are: education; inventiveness; and technology development; competitiveness in global markets; economic output; share of world trade; military strength; the power of their financial center for capital markets; and the strength of their currency as a reserve currency.

Because these powers are measurable, we can see how strong each country is now, was in the past and whether they’re rising or declining. By examining the sequences from many countries, we can see how a typical cycle transpires.

And because the wiggles can be confusing, we can simplify it a bit to focus on the pattern of cause-effect relationships that drive the rise and decline of a typical empire.

As you can see, better education typically leads to increased innovation and technology development and with a lag, the establishment of the currency as a reserve currency. You can also see that these forces then declined in a similar order reinforcing each other’s decline.

Let’s now look at the typical sequence of events going on inside a country that produces these rises and declines. In a nutshell, the Big Cycle typically begins after a major conflict, often a war, establishes the new leading power and the new world order. Because no one wants to challenge this power, a period of peace and prosperity typically follows. As people get used to this peace and prosperity, they increasingly bet on it continuing, they borrow money to do that which eventually leads to a financial bubble.

The empire’s share of trade grows, and when most transactions are conducted in its currency, it becomes a reserve currency, which leads to even more borrowing.

At the same time this increased prosperity distributes wealth unevenly, so the wealth gap typically grows between the rich-haves and the poor have-nots. Eventually the financial bubble bursts which leads to the printing of money and increased internal conflict between the rich and the poor, which leads to some form of revolution to redistribute well. This can happen peacefully or as a civil war.

While the empire struggles with this internal conflict, its power diminishes relative to external rival powers on the rise. When a new rising power gets strong enough to compete with the dominant power that is having domestic breakdowns, external conflicts — most typically wars — take place.

Out of these internal and external wars come new winners and losers. Then the winners get together to create the New World Order and the cycle begins again.

As I looked back, I saw that these cause and effect relationships drove the cycles of rises and declines all the way back to the Roman Empire. I saw how the stories of each one of these cycles blended together with others before, during, and after, in the same way as each individual story blends with others to make the epic 500 year story, that is our collective history.

And like human life cycles, no two are exactly the same, but most are similar. They’re driven by logical cause and effect relationships that progress through stages from birth to strength and maturity, to weakness and inevitably decline. However that’s like saying a person’s life cycle takes 80 years on average without recognizing that many are much shorter and many are longer.

While age can be a good indicator of future longevity, a better way is to look at health indicators. One can do that with empires, and they’re vital signs too.

I found that by watching the indicators of power change, I was able to see what stage a country was in, which helped me to anticipate what was likely to come next.

Now I’ll take you through the Big Cycle in more detail. Give me 20 minutes and I’ll give you the last 500 years of history, and show you the similar patterns across the Dutch, British, U.S. and Chinese empires.

500 YEARS OF BIG CYCLES

I’m going to describe the typical cycle by dividing it into three phases: the RISE; the TOP; and the DECLINE.

THE RISE Phase

Successful new orders that rise, both internal and external, are typically started by powerful revolutionary leaders doing four things.

First, they win power by gaining more support than the opposition.

Second, they consolidate power by converting weakening or eliminating the opposition so they don’t stand in their way.

Third, they establish systems and institutions that make the country work well.

And fourth, they pick their successors well or create systems that do that, because a great empire requires many great leaders over several generations.

At this stage, soon after winning the fight, there is typically a period of peace and growing prosperity, because the leadership is clearly dominant and has broad support, so no one wants to fight it. During this phase, leaders within the country have to design an excellent system to raise the country’s wealth and power.

First and foremost, to be great they must have strong education, which is not just teaching knowledge and skills, but also strong character, civility and work ethic. These are typically taught in the families, schools, and religious institutions. That provides a healthy respect for rules and laws, order within society, low corruption, and enables them to unite behind a common purpose and work well together.

As they do this, they increasingly shift from producing basic products to innovating and inventing new technologies. For example, the Dutch rose to defeat the Habsburg empire and become superbly educated. They became so inventive that they came up with a quarter of all major inventions in the world, the most important of which was the invention of ships that could travel around the world to collect great riches, and the invention of capitalism as we know it today to finance those voyages.

They, like all leading empires, enhance their thinking by being open to the best thinking in the world. As a result, the people in the country become more productive and more competitive in world markets, which shows up in their growing economic output and rising share of world trade.

You can see this happening now as the U.S. and China are roughly comparable in both their economic outputs and their shares of world trade.

As countries trade more globally, they must protect their trade routes and their foreign interests from attack, so they develop great military strength. If done well, this virtuous cycle leads to strong income growth which can be used to finance investments in education, infrastructure, and research and development.

They must also develop systems to incentivize and empower those that have the ability to make or take wealth. In all of these cases, the most successful empires used a capitalist approach to develop productive entrepreneurs. Even China which is run by the Chinese Communist Party used the form of this capitalist approach.

Deng Xiaoping, when asked about this, said “It doesn’t matter if it’s a white cat or a black cat as long as it catches mice, and it’s glorious to be rich.” To do this well, they must develop their capital markets, most importantly their lending, bond, and stock markets. That allows people to convert their savings into investments, to fund invention and development, and share in the successes of those who make great things happen.

The Dutch created the first publicly-listed company The Dutch East India Company and the first stock market to fund it which were integral parts of the system that produced massive wealth and power.

As a natural consequence, the greatest empires developed the world’s leading financial centers for attracting and distributing the world’s capital. Amsterdam was the world’s financial center when the Dutch were preeminent; London when the British were on top; New York is now, and China is quickly developing its financial centers.

Most importantly, the capitalists, the governments, and the military must work together. Not only did the Dutch work well together, they were one and the same. The Dutch East India Company was granted a trade monopoly from the government and had its own officially sanctioned military to go out into the global markets to make and take wealth.

The British followed with the British East India Company and had a similar coordination of their government, business and military operations.

The U.S. military-industrial complex (MIC) followed suit as does the Chinese system today.

As the country becomes the largest international trading empire, its transactions can be paid with its currency, making it the preferred global medium of exchange. And because their currency is so widely accepted and frequently used, people around the world want to save in it, making it the preferred storehold of wealth. And thus the world’s leading reserve currency.

The gilder was the world’s main reserve currency when the Dutch led world trade; the pound was when the British led, and the dollar has been since the U.S. led. Naturally China’s currency is increasingly being used as a reserve currency.

Having a reserve currency enables the empire to borrow more than other countries. That advantage is huge. Think about it: people all over the world are eager to save and hence lend back their currency to the empire; countries without a reserve currency don’t have that.

And when the empire runs out of its own money, remember the United States in 1971: they can always print more. The exorbitant privilege afforded by the empire’s reserve currency leads borrowing to increase, and the beginning of a financial bubble.

This series of cause-and-effect relationships leading to mutually supportive financial, political and military powers, bolstered by the borrowing power of a reserve currency have gone together since history began to be recorded. All the empires that became the most powerful in the world followed this path to the top.

THE TOP Phase

While in the top phase, most of these strengths are sustained, embedded within the fruits of their success are the seeds of their decline. As a rule: as people in these rich and powerful countries earn more, that makes them more expensive and less competitive relative to people in other countries who are willing to work for less.

At the same time, people in other countries naturally copy the methods and technologies of the leading power which further reduces the leading power’s competitiveness. For example, British shipbuilders had less expensive workers than Dutch shipbuilders. So they hired Dutch designers to design better ships that were built by less expensive British workers making them more competitive which led the British to rise and the Dutch to decline.

Also, as people become richer, they tend not to work as hard; they enjoy more leisure, pursue the finer and less productive things in life, and at the extreme become decadent.

Values change from generation to generation during the rise to the top from those who had to fight to achieve wealth and power to those who inherited it. They’re less battle-hardened, steeped in luxuries, and accustomed to the easy life which makes them more vulnerable to challenges. The golden era of the Dutch Empire and the Victorian Era of the British Empire were such high prosperity periods like this.

As people get used to doing well, they increasingly bet on the good times continuing and borrow money to do that, which grows into financial bubbles.

Naturally, the financial gains come unevenly, so the wealth gap grows. Wealth gaps are self-reinforcing, because rich people use their greater resources to reinforce their powers. For example, they give greater privileges to their children, like better education and they influence the political system to their advantage. This causes the gaps in values, politics, and opportunities to grow between the rich-haves and the poor have-nots.

Those who are less well-off feel the system is unfair, so resentments grow. But as long as the living standards of most people are still rising, these gaps and resentments don’t boil over into conflict.

Having the world’s reserve currency inevitably leads to borrowing excessively and contributes to the country building up large debts with foreign lenders. While this boosts spending power over the short term, it weakens the country’s financial health and weakens the currency over the long term.

In other words, when borrowing and spending are strong, the empire appears very strong, but its finances are in fact being weakened. The borrowing sustains the country’s power beyond its fundamentals by financing both domestic over-consumption and international military conflicts required to maintain the empire.

Inevitably the cost of maintaining and defending the empire becomes greater than the revenue it brings in. So having an empire becomes unprofitable. For example, the Dutch Empire overextended around the world and fought war after increasingly expensive war with the British and other European powers to protect its territory and trade routes.

The British Empire similarly became massive, bureaucratic, and lost its competitive advantages as rival powers particularly Germany sword leading to an increasingly expensive arms race and world war.

The U.S. has spent about $8 trillion on foreign wars and their consequences since September 11, and trillions more for other military operations and for supporting military bases in 70 countries. And it still isn’t spending enough to support its military competition with China in the area around China.

In this cycle, the richer countries eventually get deeper into debt by borrowing from poorer countries that save more. It’s one of the early signs of a wealth and power shift. This started in the United States in the 1980s when it had a per capita income 40 times that of China’s and started borrowing from Chinese who wanted to save in dollars, because the dollar was the world’s reserve currency.

Similarly, the British borrowed a lot of money from its much poorer colonies, and the Dutch did the same at their top.

If the empire begins to run out of new lenders, those holding their currency begin to look to sell and get out rather than to buy, save, lend and get in. And the strength of the empire begins to decline.

THE DECLINE Phase

The decline comes from internal economic weakness together with internal fighting, or costly external fighting, or both. Typically the decline comes gradually, and then very suddenly.

When debts become very large, and there is an economic downturn, and the empire can no longer borrow the money necessary to repay its debts, the financial bubble bursts. This creates great domestic hardships and forces the country to choose between defaulting on its debts or printing a lot of new money. It always chooses to print a lot of new money.

At first gradually and eventually massively, that devalues the currency and raises inflation. For the Dutch, this was the financial crisis brought about by financial excesses and paying for the Fourth Anglo-Dutch War.

Similarly, for the British, it was paying for its financial excesses and its debts from the two World Wars.

And for the U.S. it’s been three cycles of debt finance booms and busts since the ‘90s with the central bank stepping in each time with stronger measures.

When the government has problems funding itself, when there are bad economic conditions, and living standards for most people are declining, and there are large wealth, values, and political gaps, internal conflict between the rich and the poor as well as different ethnic religious and racial groups greatly increases. This leads to political extremism that shows up as populism of the left or the right.

Those of the left seek to redistribute the wealth, while those of the right seek to maintain the wealth in the hands of the rich. Typically during such times, taxes on the rich rise, and when the rich fear their wealth and well-being will be taken away, they move to places, assets, and currencies they feel safer. These outflows reduce the empire’s tax revenue which leads to a classic self-reinforcing hollowing out process.

When the flight of wealth gets bad enough, governments outlaw it. Those seeking to get out begin to panic. These turbulent conditions undermine productivity which shrinks the economic pie and causes more conflict about how to divide the shrinking resources.

Populous leaders emerge from both sides and pledge to take control and bring about order. That’s when democracy is most challenged, because it fails to control the anarchy, and it is when the move to a strong populous leader who will bring order to the chaos is most likely.

As conflict within the country escalates, it leads to some form of revolution or civil war to redistribute wealth and force the necessary big changes.

This can be peaceful and maintain the existing order but it’s more often violent and changes the order. For example, the Roosevelt Revolution to redistribute wealth was relatively peaceful and maintained the existing internal order, while the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and the Chinese Revolution were much more violent and led to new internal orders.

This internal conflict makes the empire weak and vulnerable to rising external rivals who, seeing this domestic weakness, are more inclined to mount a challenge. This raises the risk of great international conflict especially if the rival has built up a comparable military. Defending oneself and one’s empire against rivals requires great military spending which has to occur as domestic economic conditions are deteriorating, and the empire can least afford it.

Since there is no viable system for peacefully adjudicating international disputes, these conflicts are typically resolved through tests of power.

As bolder challenges are made, the leading empire is faced with the difficult choice of fighting or retreating. Fighting and losing is the worst outcome. But retreating is bad too, as it cedes progress to the rival and signals that the empire is weak to those countries that are considering which side to be on.

Poor economic conditions cause more fighting for wealth and power, which inevitably leads to some kind of war. Wars are terribly costly, at the same time they produce the tectonic shifts that realign the new orders to the new realities of wealth and power in the world.

When those holding the reserve currency and debt of the declining empire lose faith and sell them, that marks the end of its big cycle. Of the roughly 750 currencies that existed since 1700, less than 20% now exist, and all of them have been devalued.

For the Dutch, this happened after their defeat in the Fourth Anglo-Dutch War when they weren’t able to repay the massive debts they built up during it. This led to a run on the Bank of Amsterdam and a desperate sell-off forcing massive money printing which devalued the currency and the empire into irrelevance.

For the British, this happened after WORLD WAR II when despite their victory they could not repay the massive debts they borrowed to fund their war effort. This led to a series of money printing, devaluations and sell-offs in the British pound as the U.S. and the dollar emerged dominant and created a new world order.

At the time of this recording, the United States hasn’t yet reached this point. While it has massive debt, it spends more than it earns and funds this deficit with more borrowing and printing huge amounts of new money, the big sell-off in dollars and dollar debt hasn’t yet begun.

And while there are great internal and external conflicts occurring for all the classic reasons, they’ve not yet crossed the line to become worse. Eventually out of these conflicts, whether they’re violent or not, come new winners who get together and restructure the losers’ debts and political systems and establish the new world order.

Then the old cycle and empire ends, and the new one begins, and they do it all over again.

That’s a lot of detail I just threw at you to paint a picture of how the typical Big Cycle transpires. Of course, not all of them transpire in exactly this way, but most largely do so much so that it seems like the stories of rises and declines stay essentially the same. And the only things that change are the clothes the characters wear and the technologies they use.

SO WHERE ARE WE HEADING?

THE FUTURE Phase

Most empires have their time in the sun and inevitably decline. Reversing a decline is difficult, because that requires undoing a lot that’s already been done, but it’s possible.

By looking at these indicators, it’s pretty easy to see which stage of the big cycle an empire is in, how fit it is, and whether its condition is improving or worsening, which can help one estimate how many years it has left.

Still these estimates aren’t precise, and the cycle can be extended if those in charge pay attention to their vital signs and improve them. For example, knowing that a person is 60 years old, how fit they are, whether they smoke or not, and a few other basic vital signs, one can estimate the person’s longevity.

One can do that with empires and their vital signs too. It won’t be precise but it will be broadly indicative and give clear direction on steps to take to increase longevity.

It’s most often the case that a nation’s greatest war is with itself over whether or not it can make the hard decisions needed to sustain success.

As for what we need to do, it comes down to just two things: earn more than we spend and treat each other well. All other things I mentioned: strong education, inventiveness, being competitive, and all the rest, are just ways of getting at these two things.

It’s easy to measure if we’re doing them, so like people who want to get fit, let’s get on the program and improve our vitals. Let’s do that individually and collectively.

My goal for sharing this picture of how the world works and a few principles for dealing with it, well is to help you recognize where we are and the challenges we face, and to make the wise decisions needed to navigate these times well.

Since there is a lot more to discuss and we are out of time, you can learn more in my book Principles For Dealing With The Changing World Order. And I look forward to continuing this conversation at economicprinciples.org and on social media.

What does the Bible say about world order?

Daniel 2:20-21 (NKJV):

“Blessed be the name of God forever and ever,For wisdom and might are His.And He changes the times and the seasons;He removes kings and raises up kings;”

Resources for Further Reading:

God’s Atomic Weapon – The Blood of Jesus: Derek Prince (Transcript)

Discover Yourself In God’s Mirror – Who Am I? (Part 1): Derek Prince (Transcript)

Billy Graham on Conscience (Full Transcript)

At The End Of Time: Derek Prince (Full Transcript)

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