But we see…
SADHGURU: A mis-spelt word is enough to fight about, is enough reason to fight.
SOUMYA SWAMINATHAN: Exactly. So we spell “colour” with “our” or “color” with “or”, you know, it’s a difference between the two sides of the Atlantic. But what we’re seeing increasingly is the world being divided on the basis of ethnicity, of race, of religion, of color, of belief, of sexual orientation, disabilities. Some of this is conscious, some of this is not conscious.
We see large number of people on the move now, refugees and migrants, who have had to leave their homes and are living in camps for many months or years together.
So, when we talk about diversity, very often you know organizationally, we think only about gender diversity, ethnic diversity. But don’t you think that the real diversity the world must tackle is the fragmentation of knowledge, to solve the problems that we have today, and the fragmentation of ethical belief systems to guide our moral choices?
We see inequalities and iniquities increasing. You mention that we live in a world today, where for the first time there is enough for everybody and yet there are large numbers of people who don’t have the basic…very basic needs. If inclusiveness is the very basis of spirituality, how can we enable communities, especially our young people to grow up with a belief and of inclusiveness, and the fact that diversity is important and we have to respect everybody in the community and provide everybody equal opportunities? Can yoga show us the way?
SADHGURU: We are inclusive, not by choice; we are inclusive by the nature of our existence. Every day we are in this process, every moment of our life – by eating, drinking, breathing, and many other things, we’re showing that we are inclusive. If we resist this, we will cease to exist. It’s only by constant transaction with just about anything and everything that we are existing here.
The complexity of what makes this creation, we are a consequence of that. But the magnanimity of creation has given us an individual experience. It’s a tremendous thing. Though we’re just a speck in the universe, still we have an individual experience. We sit here and experience like we’re individuals. This is a phenomenal magnanimity from creation.
But we’ve taken this individual experience rather too seriously — so seriously, that we think we are a world by ourselves, each person. When your personal universe does not work very well, you will gather ten people and then there is a battle. Endlessly it’s going on.
When we are two people we will quarrel, when we are ten people we will fight, when we are million people we have a war. It’s a same thing; the mechanics is the same thing – because we have taken our individual experience of life rather too seriously.
In this cosmic space, this solar system itself is a speck, a tiny speck. In that tiny speck, planet Earth is a micro speck; in that micro speck, Geneva is a super micro speck; in that, you’re a big man. Fortunately, ladies don’t like to be referred to as big, so it’s only one part of the population. A man wants to be a big man.
So, this whole thing has happened to us simply because the boundaries of your individuality, you’ve taken it too seriously. If you pay… On the surface, you’re you, I am me, hundred percent. This is my body, that’s your body, no way to mix this up. This is my mind, that’s your mind. Here and there, our minds may overlap. But anyway, this is my mind, that’s your mind.
But there is no such thing as my life and your life. The life that we are…This is a living cosmos – you’ve captured some, I captured some.
Now what yoga means is, the boundaries that we have drawn with the instrument of body and mind, you consciously obliterate so that when you sit here, your experience of life is not contained just to the limitations of your body or your thinking process or your emotional process – your ability to experience life as a life, not as a body.
Because if you experience this life as a body – this is me, that is you, there is no way to mix this. If you go as a mind or a thought process – this is me, that is you, no way to mix it up.
But if you go as a life, fundamental life process, there is no distinction between this and that – not just between two human beings, between everything and everything, there is no distinction.
So, the word yoga means union, that you consciously obliterated the boundaries of your individuality. That is why you know a sense of union. We are anyway in union with the existence, the problem is it’s not in our experience, because we are too caught up with our individual experience.
The basis of your individual experience is a very flimsy thing – in the sense – right now, if you…Can we experiment with you? Hello?
SADHGURU: Take your right hand and touch your left hand and see. Is that you? Hello?
SADHGURU: Is that you? Touch the chair on which you’re sitting, is that you?
SADHGURU: No. How do you know this? How do you know “this is me, this is not me”? Sensation, isn’t it? Here there is sensation, here there is no sensation. So, the way you’re identifying what is “me” and what is not “me”, is just that – where there is your sensation it’s “me”, where there is no sensation, it’s not “you”.