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Sandy Jen: Rethinking Home Care @ Talks at Google (Transcript)

JORGE CUETO: So then you mentioned the value to caregivers. So if we look at this in comparison to traditional senior care centers or senior care models, what value do you add to the other key players — so then in this case, maybe the seniors themselves or also maybe the family members who are buying the care for their senior family members?

SANDY JEN: Yeah, so the current industry is very fragmented. So if you think about– I think nationwide, there’s something like 40,000 or 50,000 agencies. It’s not because no one’s ever tried to make a large agency, it’s just really hard. You have a bunch of people on the demand side– so all of your seniors needing care. Let’s say your grandmother might have a bad hip and this chronic medical condition, and she’s allergic to dogs, and she requires someone who can lift someone out of bed every morning. Or my mother or grandmother might need to speak Mandarin, and she’s allergic to cats. And she has three sets of stairs, so you need somebody to be able to lift her downstairs.

So the requirements for people are super heterogeneous. And then on the supply side, care pros are also very heterogeneous. This person might be able to lift 200 pounds, but this person may not. This person speaks this language. This person can only drive five miles outside of her home, because she has two kids that she needs to pick up after work.

And so there are all these stipulations on both sides, and so doing a match is actually really difficult. And so if you are a small mom and pop agency– which lot of these places are– you don’t have the logistical operational technology brain to do that, because you’re trying to do it all in your head. So you might have a staff of a few people trying to match all these things. And so a lot of it is also very analog, so care pros will literally have to take a telephone in the morning and say, OK, where am I going to go? They’ll literally take their notes per visit on a spiral bound notebook with a pencil, and they’ll leave it on the desk. And so we also talked to folks who run agencies– they’ll literally drive around to all their clients, pick up those notebooks, transcribe some of those notes into their own system, and then return all the notebooks back.

So it’s just very manual. And so one of the things that we hoped to bring and have been bringing is a more technology bent on this for that rote work. And so one of the key learnings for us was that you could try to automate everything, but we’re not going to send robots to do care. That’s not going to work. And so what we can do, though, is have computers do as much of the rote tasks– the matching algorithms, the GPS tracking stuff– and then let the humans do the really human stuff.

And so we can get there about 80%, and then let the humans do the rest. And so one of the things that we’ve been trying to do is actually just give more transparency into the process. So if I live in California, but my parents are on the East Coast, and I have a caregiver going every day, I can’t go and find that spiral bound notebook and have someone read that to me every day. So we have given an app to the care pro. We’ve given an app to the family. They can see notes right away. They can call in any time. Scheduling is a lot easier. The technology we use to then be able to track and give you progress notes on how the visit is going is amazing in this industry for a lot of folks. And so just trying to up the quality and transparency of care itself has been a huge goal for us– and definitely the ability to use technology to scale.

Because we have all this technology, we might require one human to do this instead of 10. And so when you have that, you can save a lot of that time to go do other interesting, innovative features to help with care delivery. Technology is definitely used to scale, to make better care, better quality. But at the same time, we have to recognize that it can’t replace humans. And so at the end of the day, the human to human experience is still the end product.

JORGE CUETO: You mentioned that you provide training for your care pros, so what does that training encompass?

SANDY JEN: It can vary to basic skill sets. Like how do you lift and transfer someone who’s bedridden out of bed into a chair? How do you take someone from their bed to a toilet? There are things like, OK, what is the best way to assist someone in this particular task? And so we can also do things like, oh, if this person has Parkinson’s, these are specific tools and techniques you can use to help maneuver them physically. If someone has dementia, here are techniques and generally accepted ways to communicate or to elicit feedback from those folks. And so a lot of it is skill-wise, but also, how do you basically interact with different types of people? Because a lot of our clients– their conditions vary greatly, so it’s not like one bucket fits all.

JORGE CUETO: And in terms of the composition of your audience, are you looking at mainly people who are soliciting care for their family members, or actually seniors themselves who are asking for services for themselves?

SANDY JEN: Yeah, it’s both. We thought in the very beginning that we’d have more what we call adult children. It’s sort of a child or a nephew or a family member then responsible for someone who is older. But we also have folks who just want care for themselves. They recognize that they want to stay at home. They don’t want to go to a nursing home or facility.

And so having a little bit of additional help is actually really useful. So yeah, it just really varies. But we definitely have more folks who are getting care for themselves than we originally thought.

JORGE CUETO: So that, again, goes to debunk that myth that seniors don’t really engage with technology, right? Because they need to have some understanding in order to reach you in some ways.

SANDY JEN: Yeah, they do have to find us. But at the same time, we don’t require any technology to use Honor. That was a very conscious point. So if you don’t want to touch a computer, you don’t want to use an app, you don’t have to. Most of our customers call us.

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