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The Economic Injustice of Plastic: Van Jones (Full Transcript)

You think, “I put mine in the blue bin.”

And then you look at your colleague and say, “Why, you cretin! You put yours in the white bin.” And we use that as a moral tickle. We feel so good about ourselves. If we — well, OK, I’m just … me. Not you, but I feel this way often.

And so we kind of have this moral feel-good moment. But if we were to be able to follow that little bottle on its journey, we would be shocked to discover that, all too often, that bottle is going to be put on a boat, it’s going to go all the way across the ocean at some expense, and it’s going to wind up in a developing country, often China.

I think in our minds, we imagine somebody’s going to take the little bottle and say, “Oh, little bottle! We’re so happy to see you, little bottle. You’ve served so well.”

He’s given a little bottle massage, a little bottle medal. And they say, “What would you like to do next?”

The little bottle says, “I just don’t know…”

But that’s not actually what happens. You know? That bottle winds up getting burned. The recycling of plastic in many developing countries means the incineration of the plastic, the burning of the plastic, which releases incredible toxic chemicals and, once again, kills people.

And so, poor people who are making these products in petrochemical centers like Cancer Alley, poor people who are consuming these products disproportionately, and then poor people who, even at the tail end of the recycling, are having their lives shortened. They’re all being harmed — greatly — by this addiction that we have to disposability.

Now, you think to yourself — I know how you are — you say, “That sure is terrible for those poor people. It’s just awful. Those poor people. I hope someone does something to help them.”

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But what we don’t understand is — here we are in Los Angeles. We worked very hard to get the smog reduction happening here in Los Angeles. But guess what?

Because they’re doing so much dirty production in Asia now, because the environmental laws don’t protect the people in Asia now, almost all of the clean air gains and the toxic air gains that we’ve achieved here in California have been wiped out by dirty air coming over from Asia.

So we all are being hit. We all are being impacted. It’s just that the poor people get it first and worst. But the dirty production, the burning of toxins, the lack of environmental standards in Asia, is actually creating so much dirty air pollution, it’s coming across the ocean, and has erased our gains here in California.

We’re back where we were in the 1970s. And so we’re on one planet, and we have to be able to get to the root of these problems. The root of this problem, in my view, is the idea of disposability itself.

You see, if you understand the link between what we’re doing to poison and pollute the planet and what we’re doing to poor people, you arrive at a very troubling but also very helpful insight: In order to trash the planet, you have to trash people.

But if you create a world where you don’t trash people, you can’t trash the planet. So now we are at a moment where the coming together of social justice as an idea and ecology as an idea, we finally can now see that they are really, at the end of the day, one idea.

And it’s the idea that we don’t have disposable anything. We don’t have disposable resources. We don’t have disposable species. And we don’t have disposable people, either. We don’t have a throwaway planet, and we don’t have throwaway children — it’s all precious.

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And as we all begin to come back to that basic understanding, new opportunities for action begin to emerge. Biomimicry, which is an emerging science, winds up being a very important social justice idea. People who are just learning about this stuff: biomimicry means respecting the wisdom of all species.

Democracy, by the way, means respecting the wisdom of all people — we’ll get to that. But biomimicry means respecting the wisdom of all species. It turns out we’re a pretty clever species. We have this big cortex, we’re pretty proud of ourselves.

But if we want to make something hard, we say, “I know! I’m going to make a hard substance. I know! I’m going to get vacuums and furnaces and drag stuff out of the ground and get things hot and poison and pollute…But I got this hard thing! I’m so clever!”

And you look behind you, and there’s destruction all around you. But guess what? You’re so clever, but you’re not as clever as a clam. A clamshell is hard. There’s no vacuums. There’s no big furnaces. There’s no poison. There’s no pollution.

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