Here is the full transcript of comedian Kurt Metzger’s interview on The Joe Rogan Experience #2434, January 6, 2026.
Brief Notes: Comedian Kurt Metzger joins Joe Rogan to dissect the fracturing narratives of early 2026, exploring a world where paid influencer bounties and “domain projection” are weaponized to manipulate global perception. The duo delves into the deep state’s obsession with the occult, from the “Cremation of Care” ceremony at Bohemian Grove to the “shadow presidency” of Larry Ellison and the bizarre history of dolphin intelligence experiments.
Metzger offers a raw, conspiratorial analysis of the spiritual fallout from the Charlie Kirk assassination and the military capture of Nicolás Maduro, while warning of the rise of “technopuritanism” and AI-generated gods. From the high-stakes science of plasma fusion to the fringe legacy of the Nazi Bell, this episode provides an unfiltered look at the hidden forces currently reshaping human history.
John C. Lilly and the Isolation Tank
JOE ROGAN: Feel good.
KURT METZGER: I’m trying to get a John Lee picture. John Lilly Awareness Day.
JOE ROGAN: Is the Carhartt. No specific time period appropriate.
KURT METZGER: No, it’s supposed to be like a boiler suit. It didn’t arrive.
JOE ROGAN: What is a boiler suit?
KURT METZGER: Like a coverall.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, like something would wear in the boiler room.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, but the best kind to get. I would have done a mashup. Now, see here, he’s got kind of a pleather jumpsuit. He’s got a lot of great looks.
JOE ROGAN: That guy was out there.
KURT METZGER: Two diamond studs. Oh, let me take off my John C. Lilly glasses. Oh, yeah, he invented the isolation goon tank.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah.
KURT METZGER: You go in there and goon. It’s like you’re in space, dude.
JOE ROGAN: My friend actually went in his tank and did ketamine with him before he went in his tank.
KURT METZGER: Who? Who?
JOE ROGAN: Todd McCormick.
KURT METZGER: Hey, what happened?
JOE ROGAN: John Lilly shot him up with an intramuscular shot of ketamine before he went into the tank. He’s like, “This is what I do. You want to do it?” He’s like, “Okay, sure.”
KURT METZGER: John Lee’s like, “Hey, do you want to watch my parents f*ing to conceive me? I like to do that in this day.”
JOE ROGAN: Let’s go back in time.
KURT METZGER: I like to go into the fing… What do they call that Buddhist thing where you go and watch your parents f?
JOE ROGAN: Is that a real thing?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, you know, in this… I forget. The afterlife, their home mapping. The afterlife thing.
JOE ROGAN: But can they do it, like with meditation or something? Is that what you’re saying?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, but they say if you could…
JOE ROGAN: Choose to do that. What if you could go back in time and watch something, but only one thing, and that thing is your parents f*ing. You could be back in 1976 or whenever it was you were born.
KURT METZGER: So what do I get out of that?
JOE ROGAN: Nothing.
KURT METZGER: Just research. Valuable research.
JOE ROGAN: You only get one trip back in time. Everybody gets a chip back in time to see what it’s like, but that’s the only thing you get to say.
KURT METZGER: It sounds like Tibetan Buddhism, what you’re describing to me. Pretty sure that’s what… What do they call it when you go to the place you go to watch your parents f*? Jamie, aren’t you a Buddhist? The Bodak. It’s not called that. How you like that? Nicki Minaj, huh? Really?
JOE ROGAN: What about her?
KURT METZGER: Did you watch? We’ve been covering TPUSA all week.
The Right Wing Gang War and Influencer Bounties
JOE ROGAN: Okay, you’re deep in the woods. I’m not. I stay out of that. It seems like the right wing of this country is in some sort of a weird gang war.
KURT METZGER: There never was a f*ing United right. It was a bunch of people needing some shit done that didn’t get done, and now they’re upset about it.
JOE ROGAN: Because here’s the bunch of people scrambling to be in control of the narrative, too.
KURT METZGER: The poly market dudes have some network. There’s also like the show I sold called a cutout. They do these cutout things, or it’s like you pay a company to put up… When Elon showed what countries all the tweets are coming from, right? Okay, why the f* are Indians and Sri Lankans tweeting about Israel, Palestine shit, right?
Well, it’s because there’s these bounties they put up and you can get invited to like a circle. Remember when you show me those things, people would get of like, “Hey, say this shit and we’ll give you this money.” Well, now there’s a bounty system.
JOE ROGAN: Mmm.
KURT METZGER: It’s on Jimmy Channel. It’s fing amazing. So all these… So a bunch of people that I watch them just like flip and say a thing, like it’s their job to say it. It was their job, but they’re trying to hit a certain amount of engagement, and then you get like 50 grand. I can’t remember the name of the guy that pointed out, but it’s really good fing work. Should I show looked up?
JOE ROGAN: So it’s not just bots.
KURT METZGER: The Bardo.
JOE ROGAN: Bardo of Becoming. A Tibetan teaching. After death, consciousness passes through several bardos, culminating in the Bardo of becoming, where karmic visions of one’s next life arise. During this phase, there are increasingly frequent flashes of the environment, parents and circumstances in which one will be conceived. And one is drawn towards these as a kind of refuge or new home.
That’s interesting, but not as interesting as the influencers. Thank you, Perplexity. Oh, yeah, thank you to our sponsor, Perplexity.
KURT METZGER: You can always tell who’s getting paid to say the thing because they’ll use…
JOE ROGAN: Well, I just got paid to say that.
KURT METZGER: Well, it sounds like a fair… I thought it was very interesting and informative. I’d like to learn, if you have a brochure.
JOE ROGAN: How many people are doing that.
KURT METZGER: Me assuming someone either is blackmailed or MK Ultra is me being kind of positive because really a lot of these people just sacks of shit that are going for a bounty. So yeah, if you are MK Ultra, that’s kind of cooler than that, I think.
JOE ROGAN: And you think some of them can just sort of justify that bounty? They, you know, whatever country’s paying it, you know, hey, you know, they have their own specific…
KURT METZGER: It’s specific like billionaires and shit pay.
JOE ROGAN: Right. And it works both ways. I’m sure a lot of anti-Israel stuff, people being paid a bounty. Don’t you think?
KURT METZGER: Don’t you think?
JOE ROGAN: There’s certain people involved in that as well that are probably being paid. It’s from all around.
Gaza, Larry Ellison, and the Lost Generation
KURT METZGER: That crime that got done in Gaza and they’re done now, so everybody can relax. They got it done. Yeah. Oh yeah, it’s done. So watch Olaf Finkelstein, he’ll explain it to you.
But so that crime, that’s done. Now the reason that the frantic buying up of the media by Larry the Shadow president Larry Ellison is because they lost the next generation of trauma controlled f*ing mind slaves. Because on TikTok, these psychopaths bragged about crimes they did to people.
And all the young zoomies are on there, including in America. We were force fed woke bullshit by the oligarchs who are now suddenly horrified because they didn’t think it would blow back, that their kids would absorb that crap.
Guess who has not had woke programming for the last 12 years? Israel. So you can tell who’s involved with the propaganda now because they have no concept of the sensitivities of these gender blobs that were made in this country.
So now they lost the next generation. So now they’re frantically buying TikTok, they’re putting Barry Weiss in charge of f*ing… It’s going to work out great. I bet she’s already out, based on the town hall alone, that we covered. Worst things I’ve ever seen.
JOE ROGAN: I didn’t see it.
KURT METZGER: Well, you’re lucky. But we cover it all.
JOE ROGAN: I’m trying to stay out of most of this stuff because every time I talk to you I get dragged in and I get paranoid and anxiety.
KURT METZGER: Oh yeah, no, you could be killed. I mean, so what happened to Charlie Kirk?
JOE ROGAN: I know.
KURT METZGER: You easily could be killed and you know… Yeah, I don’t know.
JOE ROGAN: Did Jimmy worry about that?
KURT METZGER: Jimmy got his phone hacked with Pegasus that time. Yeah, he got… The Bohemian Grove thing is hilarious.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
Bohemian Grove and the Nixon Tapes
KURT METZGER: Because he… It’s so funny because he… You could tell he’s one of 12 kids because he feels left out of shit. Still, in a way with things. And it’s like, well, I go that day, I’m like, well, you got an opportunity. And then you brought that Nixon joke about Bohemian Grove. You know, the Nixon quote?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: He goes, “You heard it. You heard that quote, right?” And they go, “No,” they’d not heard it.
JOE ROGAN: They’d not come on.
KURT METZGER: And he said it. Then they didn’t laugh. Nobody laughed.
JOE ROGAN: Let’s play the recording of Nixon saying it because it’s even funnier. Hey, we’re back. Hey, we’ve got an issue.
KURT METZGER: What happened?
JOE ROGAN: Two podcasts in a row. The podcast. Yeah, we got a software glitch. What were we just talking about?
KURT METZGER: Oh, sweet.
JOE ROGAN: Audio in his own voice. The foggiest damn thing I’ve ever seen.
KURT METZGER: From time to time, I’m there. The San Francisco crowd.
JOE ROGAN: So I think there’s always been places where dudes go to get their freak on. The lost Nixon tapes. Here it is. During discussion with Hadelman and Kissinger about… whoops… about youth conference. Annual youth conference, the subject turned to homosexuality and society, as it always does.
Just give me some of this. I’ll make sure it’s the right one, though. I don’t know if it is.
KURT METZGER: I mean, every…
JOE ROGAN: Gays are born that way. No, this seems different. Oh, well, Nixon was progressive.
KURT METZGER: Gays are born lady goo ga.
JOE ROGAN: You know, the whole Nixon getting booted from the White House story, right? You know, Watergate story.
KURT METZGER: Fake a Bob Woodward. Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, my God. How crazy is that?
KURT METZGER: Wow. Your neighbor, Naval intel, and your first big break is the Watergate.
JOE ROGAN: How crazy is that story? It’s a complete story.
KURT METZGER: It’s a template for all of the media. For how long?
JOE ROGAN: Dude, here it is.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: President and the others. It’s just terror.
KURT METZGER: Now. Guess what?
JOE ROGAN: From time to time, this is that quote. “It’s the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine.”
Cecil Rhodes and Secret Societies
KURT METZGER: You know, it’s funny. Sir Cecil Rhodes, he kept saying he wanted to make bundles of men. You know, like a bundle of sticks of men in his round tables, you know? A bundle of sticks is, of course, a faggot. That’s not the slur. But the goal of Cecil Rhodes was to create secret faggots around the world.
JOE ROGAN: Secret ones?
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Bundles of men. Fraternal organizations. The names don’t matter if you’re a dumb group, whatever. Everybody’s in a stupid f*ing… The Knights of the Order of Some Gay Shit. Right?
JOE ROGAN: Skull and bones.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. And look, when he’s saying the f-slur like that, I don’t think he just means a little bit of man on man action. I think he’s talking about the ceremonies. Dress up.
JOE ROGAN: Oh yeah, the dress up. The whole Renaissance fair thing.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, like the owl thing. Never mind anything you heard they did. Okay, that’s just nonsense talk. But just the things, you know they did.
JOE ROGAN: The video.
KURT METZGER: Why are they doing that?
JOE ROGAN: The video that Alex Jones got is… And he did it, by the way, back with John Ronson. Back when Alex Jones was… So Alex Jones and Jon Ronson sneak into Bohemian Grove. Alex Jones filmed them. Everybody was like, “He’s crazy. He’s a kook.” He’s filming them doing this f*ing wacky ceremony in front of Molech the owl god.
KURT METZGER: Well, it’s not Molech.
JOE ROGAN: It isn’t?
KURT METZGER: No.
JOE ROGAN: What is the owl?
KURT METZGER: I mean, first of all, from what I understand, Molech is a type of sacrifice, usually to Baal, which is like a rich man, you know.
JOE ROGAN: Well, I thought that owl, the big owl…
KURT METZGER: It was not Molech at Molech.
JOE ROGAN: Which one’s out? Molech.
The Cremation of Care and Ancient Deities
KURT METZGER: I’ve heard the owls called Care like that. Cremation of Care. There’s an… But it’s supposed to be the Artemis owl, from what I understand. Or Athena. Athena, Artemis. The same thing.
JOE ROGAN: Doesn’t have a specific name, but it’s a symbol of Minerva, the Roman goddess of wisdom, representing the club’s values. That’s what they say.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, the club’s values are… So whenever they say wisdom, that means magic sh*t.
JOE ROGAN: I see an image of what that statue, large owl statue looks like.
KURT METZGER: Oh, they make a big deal about misidentifying it as Moloch.
JOE ROGAN: Man, that is weird as f*. Okay, so what does Moloch look like? Just pull that up. Let’s find out what Moloch looks like.
KURT METZGER: I think now they no longer think Moloch was an actual God. And they think it was a type of sacrifice.
JOE ROGAN: An ancient Christian… Oh, so Moloch looks like a bull.
KURT METZGER: That’s Baal. I mean, well, there’s a bunch of Baals. There’s Baal, Hadad, Baal, Amon.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but which is… Is Moloch and Baal connected? Because there are all these Moloch pictures.
KURT METZGER: Okay, so the sacrifice itself, from what I understand… probably somebody could correct it. But at this point they kind of think because it only says MLK in the original writing. So it’s a type of sacrifice to the bull God. You understand, right? It’s a Moloch sacrifice. So you get material gain for your firstborn. Like that’s a Moloch.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, God, look at this one.
KURT METZGER: I think that’s what it is.
JOE ROGAN: Look at this one. The statue of men that’s stuffed with men.
KURT METZGER: What’s the big deal? We do that. Tech people do that. Burning Man. We commemorate it. Can’t rich old fruits have a burning man of their own?
JOE ROGAN: They already do. It’s called Burning Man.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, it’s called just blowing people up.
JOE ROGAN: Canaanite deity associated in biblical sources with the practice of child sacrifice. It derives from combining the consonants of the Hebrew melech “king” and the vowels Boshet “shame.” The latter often being used in the Old Testament as a variant name for the popular God Baal. So maybe they’re calling it… Was he calling it Moloch? Because that’s how Alex Jones was referring to it. Was it because it was a child sacrifice?
KURT METZGER: Maybe. And also, keep in mind, just because they… it’s an owl. Whatever. People that do goofy pagan sh*t, you got to think of it like Diddy changing his name every time he does a crime.
JOE ROGAN: Right?
KURT METZGER: That’s how these gods work. So I’d be like, no, his name’s not that. It’s this other thing. And you’re like, wait. And so you can mix and match them. It’s called alchemy. You could grind them in their constituents and mix and match them all kinds of great ways.
JOE ROGAN: That being said, they’re doing something weird. They’re wearing robes, they’re chanting, and they’re carrying a bundle of sticks that’s supposed to like represent a body or something like that.
KURT METZGER: And then they’re going to burn an effigy.
JOE ROGAN: The whole thing is fing bizarre. If somebody invited me to that and then that’s what we went and did, I would never hang out with them again. I’d be like, what the f is wrong with you?
KURT METZGER: What if you have to make a decision to be a f*ing mass murderer on the order of any mass murder they told you is bad. And so you need to cremate your…
JOE ROGAN: Care or you want to sell natural gas and get that pipeline opened up.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, and I want to burn my dull care about the bad things I’m doing away because I can’t not do it. I’ll be killed.
JOE ROGAN: Also, you want to be compromised because that’s how you do business.
KURT METZGER: That’s how I do business. That’s how I met my dolphin wife, Shoshana Rothman. I know she looks young, but she’s of age.
The Dolphin Experiments
JOE ROGAN: My favorite part about the Lily story is the experiments that the lady was doing with the dolphins when she was living in the house with them, and she had to jerk them off, otherwise they wouldn’t pay attention. And people found out about it and they shut the science down.
KURT METZGER: It made them more comp… It made the dolphin more Peter. He had a name show. It’s Peter the dolphin. And he took his own wife.
JOE ROGAN: He took his own life.
KURT METZGER: Peter the dolphin killed himself.
JOE ROGAN: How did he do that?
KURT METZGER: I had… It’s really dumb and obvious, but I didn’t guess what it was.
JOE ROGAN: Did he just inhale all the water?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, he just drowned himself. I thought he, like, jumped out of the water. It’s like a big fan or something. I couldn’t figure out how they do it, but… Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Tied C4 to himself and flipped over into the crowd.
KURT METZGER: Bruce is telling me about all the… how they would train dolphin jihadis to blow up.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, we had dolphin jihadis.
KURT METZGER: They trained dolphin jihadis.
JOE ROGAN: We had dolphin kamikazes. We took dolphins. We love you. Hey, I’m going to just give you a little collar.
KURT METZGER: Well, let me tell you.
JOE ROGAN: Find the Russians.
KURT METZGER: Let me tell you. If you wanted demoralized, because I did… I texted you some real dolphin info.
JOE ROGAN: You did? Well, the thing is, when you text me, you text me so much, I can’t read at all. It’s not possible.
KURT METZGER: Well, that’s good, because this is going to be a real treat for you to hear.
JOE ROGAN: I like how you’re still going with the old school white background in your texts.
KURT METZGER: Why? Do you think I should change it?
JOE ROGAN: No, no.
KURT METZGER: All right.
JOE ROGAN: But…
KURT METZGER: Is there a bad background? Okay. So, you know they always say dolphins are a little amorous, is the term they use in dolphin handling.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: I’m allowed to talk about this as long as I change the name of the person and the dolphin. I was told.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, you told me. Oh, you did send me that. That’s right.
KURT METZGER: Okay. Because I was like, you know, they always say dolphins are…
JOE ROGAN: I always feel… Yeah, don’t say your friend’s name, but tell the story. Because it’s crazy.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Like, I always feel like they’re smearing dolphins. Like how we did great man, Saddam Hussein. Remember we smeared that guy and he was the best president of Iraq they’ve ever had.
JOE ROGAN: What about Gaddafi?
KURT METZGER: I don’t even want to bring that one up, because that’s really depressing.
JOE ROGAN: That’s a crazy one.
KURT METZGER: The most prosperous country in all of Africa.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: Screwed up three other countries when. Unreal.
Gaddafi and Libya
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. There’s a great clip of Russell Crowe explaining all the things Gaddafi did on this podcast. Explaining how we’re supposed to think Gaddafi is the bad guy.
KURT METZGER: But he’s right. He’s exactly right. Russell Crowe was dead on with that.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, 100%.
KURT METZGER: So I’m like, maybe dolphins are just another Gaddafi.
JOE ROGAN: Gaddafi gave everyone free education. Everyone, when they reach a certain age, got a home. If you had a specific skill, they would send you to another university and pay for it wherever they had it.
KURT METZGER: Send authoritarian.
JOE ROGAN: Well, that too, but so are we.
KURT METZGER: Shut the f* up.
JOE ROGAN: Shut the f* up. It’s all pretend.
KURT METZGER: Well, I hate to bring it up, but ISIS is in charge of Syria now, even while morons will tell you ISIS is attacking Christians in Nigeria. Listen, is everybody retarded?
JOE ROGAN: You’re always a glass half empty. At least Netanyahu got a pardon.
KURT METZGER: Did he? From who? Trump.
JOE ROGAN: Trump?
KURT METZGER: How could Trump pardon Netanyahu for… Well, how does that work? I don’t know.
JOE ROGAN: You asked me.
KURT METZGER: You okay?
JOE ROGAN: Someone should cue the “America F* Yeah” music right now.
KURT METZGER: Oh, we’re bombing Venezuela too, by the way.
JOE ROGAN: Just hey, hey, dude. No disinformation. Drone bombing. We’re not even there.
KURT METZGER: No, we got ground. We reported yesterday. We got ground people.
Netanyahu and the Israel Prize
JOE ROGAN: Oh, really? Netanyahu says Trump is non-Israeli to receive Israel prize. Oh, Trump got a prize.
KURT METZGER: Nice.
JOE ROGAN: The first non-Israeli announces. Trump will be the first non-Israeli to receive Israel prize for tremendous contributions.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, well, they should give him a f*ing prize.
JOE ROGAN: You got to make deals. You want to make omelets, you got to crack a few eggs.
KURT METZGER: There’s no omelet.
JOE ROGAN: I like the prize. Nobody gets it but Israelis. I want to be the first.
KURT METZGER: There’s no omelet ever coming.
JOE ROGAN: Whenever someone says, what did he pardon Netanyahu for? I didn’t know that Netanyahu was in trouble.
KURT METZGER: I knew he was about to be overthrown before October 7th happened.
JOE ROGAN: And they tried let that go, but right here.
KURT METZGER: But what are we pardon him for here then?
JOE ROGAN: That’s what I’m saying.
KURT METZGER: Oh, that’s right.
JOE ROGAN: That’s what I’m saying.
KURT METZGER: I wonder if there’s anything in it. Blacked out in the Epstein thing, didn’t… That’s a real insult, huh?
JOE ROGAN: This is… Now the pardon has been… They’re disputing it. Oh, they’re arguing already. Israel’s president denies telling Trump a Netanyahu pardon is “on its way.”
KURT METZGER: But he’s not an American citizen, is he?
JOE ROGAN: Wait a minute. Hold on a second. Say that again. Say this statement again. Israel’s president denies telling Trump a Netanyahu pardon is on his way. So what does that mean? So Netanyahu denies saying that to Trump is what it sounds like. Doesn’t it sound like that? Isaac Herzog. Oh, Isaac Herzog. Well, wait a minute. Oh, the prime minister. So they have prime minister and a president. Okay, I’m so ignorant. Swiftly denied President Trump’s claim on Monday that he had told US President he would pardon Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
KURT METZGER: He’s inter…
JOE ROGAN: What is that saying? I think he will, Trump said when asked if Netanyahu would get a pardon. “How do you not… He’s a wartime prime minister who’s a hero. How do you not give a pardon?”
KURT METZGER: Oh, wow, he’s going to pull his a out of the fryer, too.
JOE ROGAN: I think what he’s saying is that he would get a pardon from the president of Israel. That’s what I think he’s saying. Yeah. Okay, so this is why it’s confusing.
KURT METZGER: Half of Israel hates that motherf*er, by the way. Okay. And he was about to be overthrown.
The Dolphin Intelligence Debate
JOE ROGAN: Well, there were certainly large protests in the street the day before October 7th happened. Is it true that there was a stand down on October 7?
KURT METZGER: The IDF people were talking about the day. It’s not Jimmy show going to channel.
JOE ROGAN: I’m asking you. So the people that don’t know what—
KURT METZGER: The f* we’re talking about, they won’t believe me. They’ll say John Lilly’s a lie.
JOE ROGAN: Why don’t you say it?
KURT METZGER: They’ll say John Lilly’s a dolphin liar.
JOE ROGAN: No, no, no. They wouldn’t say that. They wouldn’t say that. What are you looking up?
KURT METZGER: Oh, because I—we got into this because I was going to tell you the truth about dolphins.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
KURT METZGER: A dolphin, like a Netanyahu, like fish, mammal.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, the dolphin experience.
KURT METZGER: Because this is going to—this is like—yeah, this is more important things that a measly genocide in the—okay, okay. So I asked if they just smeared dolphins.
JOE ROGAN: Right, right.
The Dark Side of Dolphin Encounters
KURT METZGER: So she said what they say about dolphin rape? It’s true. All caps. They are very sexual animals and even masturbate. Young males can get very horny and it’s like they go into a trance for some reason. They like knees.
So I was doing a program with a very nice family and I saw Flippy—name changed—drop to the lady’s knees and start buzzing on them. That’s echolocation. Say groom your knees with their echolocation abilities.
JOE ROGAN: Whoa.
KURT METZGER: So I’m like, f*ing great. That’s all caps. So I followed protocol and put myself in between the dolphin and the guests and asked them to get out of the water. So you understand there’s a protocol in place for when Flippy starts echolocating your knees.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. Oh, my God.
KURT METZGER: Flippy then starts circling me fast with his d* out, hooking my leg and dragging me into deep water as he’s doing it. It literally looks like the scene in Jaws where the shark’s hitting the girl. She’s like whipping around and she’s jerking around and you can’t see what’s happening under the water.
Obviously I’m f*ing terrified. And I’m trying to play it off to the guests like everything is fine. So I’m laughing and saying, “You know how dogs get a little rough when they play?”
JOE ROGAN: That’s what she’s saying to the guests.
KURT METZGER: She’s whipping like John—like what? Like a dog. Okay. That’s protocol, by the way. So I guess it could work. Then my shoes come off and start floating and the guests try to get back in the water to get my shoes for me, and I yell, “No.”
I managed to get away and walk out. Only mental scars. Thank God. All caps. Yeah. I was wearing a wet—thank God I was wearing a wetsuit. I would have felt that slimy d* hooking my legs. It’s like a Japanese anime hanging out with dolphins.
JOE ROGAN: But you know what? Look, it’s terrible, but they’re prisoners and they didn’t do anything wrong. That’s what’s weird.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, well, no core would convict them. That’s what I—John C. Lilly.
JOE ROGAN: They’re just dolphins. Why are they in prison?
KURT METZGER: They’re a lot like—
JOE ROGAN: They just got unlucky. They’re basically dolphin slaves.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, they’re kind of like the dogs of the sea, I think. I don’t think they’re like human intelligence. Sounds like they’re like—
JOE ROGAN: They have a cerebral cortex that’s 40% larger than a human being. They have language, dialects. We don’t even understand what their language is, but they can understand ours. They can learn things.
KURT METZGER: Look, I’m trying to defend dolphins from the rape charges here. If you want to—
JOE ROGAN: I see what you say.
KURT METZGER: It’s their fault.
Dolphin Behavior and Intelligence
JOE ROGAN: Well, do you know what else they do that’s really awful? Yeah, they kill the babies.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Infanticide in dolphins is really common to the point that it makes dolphin females promiscuous because the female tries to mate with as many men as possible so that the men won’t kill her babies because they don’t know if it’s theirs.
KURT METZGER: It’s a real sixties animal, you know, they do things their own way.
JOE ROGAN: The dolphins? Yeah, man.
KURT METZGER: Hey, man, you don’t get dolphins.
JOE ROGAN: They just don’t change their environment. So we don’t think of them as intelligent, but they’re fing smart as s.
KURT METZGER: Well, you know the thing of pushing people on the shore that are drowning?
JOE ROGAN: That’s bulls*.
KURT METZGER: No, they will. But it’s not like they’re saving you. It’s like, “Why don’t you get your trash out of my space, please? Y’all don’t want sharks here. Aholes. Take your s* back.”
Shark Attacks and Ocean Predators
JOE ROGAN: Who was it that had that theory about sharks? And I think he’s right.
KURT METZGER: What?
JOE ROGAN: He was like, sharks are not just targeting people because they’re hungry. They’re targeting people because they’re pissed off that people in their water and they’re getting in the way of their fishing. Yeah, they’re getting in the way. They’re eating seals. They’re pissed off they’re not supposed to be there. So they just bite you. Like, “Get the f* out of here.” That’s part of it.
KURT METZGER: A little nibble from a shark is probably a real strong message.
JOE ROGAN: They just lost a lady in Santa Cruz. Triathlete. She was with a whole group of people that were swimming, and someone saw her get taken. Someone saw this shark breach the water with a human body in their mouth. And then she was gone. And then they just found her remains yesterday.
But Santa Cruz, that whole coastline is filled with great whites. There’s great whites all over the place out there. I think they breed outside of San Francisco.
KURT METZGER: I mean, I never surf, so I never—
JOE ROGAN: F* that.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, like, f*.
JOE ROGAN: Swimming in the ocean and rolling the dice that a monster doesn’t decide to just snap you in half.
KURT METZGER: Just the worst way to get grabbed. I just like it. Not in your environment.
JOE ROGAN: It must be so terrible. You’re so weak and slow there in the ocean. You’re so helpless.
KURT METZGER: You know what? Let’s see a shark take me up here. I bet I could take him.
JOE ROGAN: That’s what I’m saying.
KURT METZGER: Not so tough.
JOE ROGAN: Zero shark attacks on the shore. Remember that Saturday Night Live sketch? Land shark. That was hilarious.
KURT METZGER: It was so stupid.
JOE ROGAN: The shark would just knock on your door.
KURT METZGER: Land shark.
Classic SNL Sketches
JOE ROGAN: It was so silly. Saturday Night Live. These devs were great sketches, man. Used to be so silly. I haven’t watched it in forever.
KURT METZGER: You know what I could wish I could find is—and you can’t get—it’s not up anywhere. But the one with Norm is—who’s the most grizzled? It was Norm MacDonald, that country singer that Tom Segura always says. Who was very good in the sketch?
JOE ROGAN: Garth Brooks.
KURT METZGER: Garth Brooks. And it was like—he’s like—and Robert Duvall. Okay. And it was just like a game show. And they have you give grizzle dancers. Was funny as s*, dude.
JOE ROGAN: Really?
KURT METZGER: Yeah. And Robert Duvall gave the most grizzled. Oh, you found it.
JOE ROGAN: This a real show.
KURT METZGER: Yo. This is one of my favorite. Huh? Wow. I was trying to find it not even that long ago.
JOE ROGAN: Dude, let me hear some of this. Can I hear it? That’s great.
KURT METZGER: That’s on Reddit.
JOE ROGAN: That’s very funny. That’s a good sketch.
KURT METZGER: Anyway, what’s his name again? Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks. Well, he’s a man of a million faces.
JOE ROGAN: That’s not Garth Brooks.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, it was Garth Brooks. No, am I wrong? That was Garth Brooks and Robert—
JOE ROGAN: Nah. Was it?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, it was Garth Brooks.
JOE ROGAN: Was it really? Garth Brooks in makeup?
KURT METZGER: Yeah. That was Garth Brooks. Yeah. You don’t even recognize him.
JOE ROGAN: That’s crazy.
KURT METZGER: I think.
JOE ROGAN: Let me say that again. Maybe that’s how he kills people. He dresses up like that dude. That does not look like Garth Brooks. That’s crazy.
KURT METZGER: It was a while ago.
JOE ROGAN: He’s kind of bigger now. He’s been enjoying that good life. You know what I’m saying?
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
The Garth Brooks Mystery
JOE ROGAN: Do you know people are repeating Tom’s idea, that joke about Garth Brooks being a serial killer, as if it’s true fact.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, well, it’s—it is the weirdest thing, but I—I would say don’t focus too much on one person having an alter ego. Nicki Minaj has that.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. But the Chris Gaines thing was nuts. In the middle of being the biggest superstar in country music, he decides he’s going to be emoji and wear a wig, change his name, and let everybody know he’s doing it.
At least Stephen King, when he wrote his Richard the Bachman book—yeah, at least he just said, “Listen, I’m writing too many books for people to buy. I’m going to write them under a different name.” That’s how crazy he was. That’s what cocaine will do to you.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, those are the good days. So I sent this to whatever I was looking up.
JOE ROGAN: So—
KURT METZGER: Have you ever heard when Nicki Minaj would talk about their—
JOE ROGAN: You just f*ing fixated on Nicki Minaj?
KURT METZGER: No, because of the alter ego thing.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, she’s got an alter ego.
Nicki Minaj’s Alter Egos
KURT METZGER: Let me raise my skeleton. Yeah. Named Roman. “Roman is a crazy boy who lives inside me who says the things she doesn’t want to say. He threatens people and he’s violent. I asked him to leave, but he can’t.”
JOE ROGAN: Whoa.
KURT METZGER: She also notes he was born just a few months ago and born out of rage. This is like in 2010. His last name is Zolanski.
JOE ROGAN: Roman Zolanski. Angry, outspoken, often homosexual British character who delivers raw, aggressive verses. Featured heavily in Pink Friday, Roman Reloaded. Right.
KURT METZGER: Then the Harajuku Barbie, which is the dolphin.
JOE ROGAN: Hold up. So these are her alter egos?
KURT METZGER: Yeah. No, but don’t worry, they didn’t do MK Monarch.
JOE ROGAN: Go up to the top again. This is Nicki Minaj. Okay.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Famously uses several alter egos, with her most prominent being Roman Zolanski, a fiery, aggressive persona used for intense rap verses and Harajuku Barbie, her softer, pop-oriented side. But others include Martha Zolanski, Roman’s mother, Chun Li, Nick Lewinsky, and Cookie. Each serving a different voice or purpose, from therapy to explosive lyrical delivery, huh? I mean, is she just around, though? Yeah, I think so.
The Aztec Temple Discovery and AI Reliability
KURT METZGER: I mean, most. You know how black people normally take the alter ego of a series of lives that way? Polish, Lithuanian, Jewish names. Was she like Whoopi Goldberg? Oh, Roman Zelanski and his mother live in there. Boy, that must be great in there.
JOE ROGAN: Must be a party.
KURT METZGER: Zolanski. That’s weird as s*. It says it was to help her cope with her traumatic childhood. The one personality.
JOE ROGAN: Which one?
KURT METZGER: I don’t know, it’s on the thing.
JOE ROGAN: Gay guy.
KURT METZGER: No, but there’s more than that even, because I Grok, you know how Grok lies. You got to go Grok. Did you look it up? No, I didn’t. Can you go and do that? Grok?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. I got Perplexity to admit something that I did that it didn’t want to admit initially. I cited other sources and I said, is this true? It was about the temple of Tenochtitlan. So when they… It’s attributed to the Aztecs. But if you ask the Aztecs, they said they found it.
KURT METZGER: Olmec then. Is that what that means?
JOE ROGAN: No, it’s not even. They don’t even know. I think there’s a term that they use for it.
KURT METZGER: But it was there when they got there. They said, I know that. I’ve heard of that.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, yeah. There’s a term that they… The way they describe it is very interesting because they describe it as the city of the gods or something like that. Or the land where the gods… Oh, place where gods were born.
So here’s the crazy thing, and I’d heard this before, but I wanted to make sure it was true. There’s a Spanish guy named Diego Duran who is a chronicler who said that they killed 80,000 people over a four day ceremony.
KURT METZGER: And they say really? It’s probably like 20,000.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s an exaggeration. So.
KURT METZGER: Wow, 20,000. That must have helped the smell.
JOE ROGAN: And they just cut their hearts out to celebrate the fact that the temple was completed. Holy s*, man. But I didn’t want to admit at first that they didn’t build it. And then I had to cite these sources where they say that they didn’t build it. They said they found it.
And so then they wanted to make sure that they’re attributing it to earlier people of the same nationality, you know what I’m saying? It got a little weird. And I realized, well, that’s because it’s drawing from all these sources that are online. So it’s drawing from all these academic work, all these books, all these… Sometimes it’s just documentaries, sometimes it’ll do that. Some AI will do that. I don’t know.
AI Hallucinations and Sunny Hostin’s Mistake
KURT METZGER: Remember when Sunny Hostin quoted Seymour Debuts?
JOE ROGAN: No.
KURT METZGER: Sonny Hostin quoted, I think it’s Seymour Debuts or some s* like that.
JOE ROGAN: Is that a porn star? Seymour Butts.
KURT METZGER: No, Debuts. And it was when Biden did all those pardons on his way out. She goes, well, Seymour, he pardoned his nephew, see? Or his brother-in-law, Seymour Debuts. And the ChatGPT just made that up. So people were, oh, that’s hilarious. Yeah, but she was a judge. Presided over child trafficking cases. Does that fill you with hope? Yeah, but I’ll bet that was good to have her in charge of something like that.
JOE ROGAN: Probably tired from a long day of hard work at the View. And ChatGPT lied to her. Look, cut her some slack.
KURT METZGER: The point is, this is why Jesus won’t be an AI. Because Jesus isn’t a f*ing liar that you got to tell to go back and look stuff up.
JOE ROGAN: Eventually he’ll get it right.
KURT METZGER: Also, Jesus wouldn’t be made by a tech freak with a weird d*.
JOE ROGAN: I think the AI is going to make Jesus. I don’t think it’s Jesus now.
KURT METZGER: I think it’s going to make… Okay, if an AI makes Jesus. By the way, and this is just in lore. Again, I’m not Christian. Yeah, in lore, you know my religion, Christ Penelope, which I disclosed to you.
JOE ROGAN: I thought you’re a Scientologist.
KURT METZGER: No, I’m a follower of Christ Penelope. The guy who farts in your nostrils to get the thing out. Remember I told you, I notified you. I think you should be Penelope Christ, but whatever. Anyway, I’m sorry, I was thinking about Christ Penelope. You forgot what we talked about? Yeah, I might need a healing from Penelope Christ.
JOE ROGAN: What were we talking about?
KURT METZGER: Oh, yeah, yeah. So that would be automatically… That would be an Antichrist.
Christ Penelope and Alternative Healing
JOE ROGAN: This is the guy that farts in your face. He literally sits on your nose.
KURT METZGER: Number one, the truth. It has to go in the nostrils. And he’s very specific about that. Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Got to trust a man.
KURT METZGER: Look at the Messiah.
JOE ROGAN: Imagine if that really was the way and the only thing that’s holding you back is… It looks so silly. But if that was… I mean, there’s weird things that people can and can’t do, weird things animals can do. You know, animals can… They can shoot poison. Skunks shoot smell at people.
Imagine if your farts contained just… There was something about the bio, like the biome of your own farts, that it gets into someone’s nostrils and it activates your DMT.
KURT METZGER: Well, I don’t have to imagine because that’s a real thing. His name is Penelope Christ. It’s one of the most amazing. Is that him?
JOE ROGAN: We hear what he says.
KURT METZGER: I don’t even know what he said.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t really know. Who has saved Christ Penelope.
KURT METZGER: Sevenfold Holy Ministries.
JOE ROGAN: I like what he’s doing. He drinks that cran apple juice to get his farts tangy.
KURT METZGER: Is that what that is?
JOE ROGAN: It’s good for the farts. Yeah, it gives a little tang. I like the bank. Oh, he puts his bank up there.
KURT METZGER: Oh, nice. Oh, so I can’t pay him through any of the normal services.
JOE ROGAN: Send him some money. Wire transfer this man some money. Let him fart in your face. What if we had him on for a podcast? Would you let him fart in your face for money?
KURT METZGER: How much money?
JOE ROGAN: If he had a fee, I mean, let’s say he’s…
KURT METZGER: I’m not going to pay him more than 500 bucks.
JOE ROGAN: No, but I mean, to get him here, I’m sure he needs a travel fee as well.
KURT METZGER: Oh, Christ Penelope.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he needs a travel fee, that guy.
KURT METZGER: My guess is he will sell you something high and when you say no, it will drop significantly. Okay, will you negotiate for me now?
JOE ROGAN: But you have to be honest about what that fart does for you. He’s going to fart in your nose and we have to know.
KURT METZGER: I collect fart jars. So.
JOE ROGAN: On Etsy.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Celebrity fart jars. I got an original. Yeah, I got an original Scarlett Johansson from the set of that Bill Murray movie.
JOE ROGAN: There are girls out there that still fart in jars, right? Don’t they?
KURT METZGER: Oh, yeah, but I… I mean, that…
JOE ROGAN: Used to be a thing.
KURT METZGER: That’s the common mark. I only get the finest celebrity.
JOE ROGAN: Celebrity fart jars.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, I got one of the… I got a couple of good ones.
Airplane Fart Story
JOE ROGAN: I was on a plane once and I was flying to Europe and it was a long flight. Overnight was one of those lie down flights. And Melanie Griffith was on the plane.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: And there was this big fat guy that was right alongside Melanie Griffith. So Melanie Griffith was lying down, sleeping. And the way these seats line up, they stagger.
KURT METZGER: Yes.
JOE ROGAN: So her a was right by… Or his a was right by her face.
KURT METZGER: Okay.
JOE ROGAN: And this guy unloads.
KURT METZGER: He healed her.
JOE ROGAN: He unloaded. And I’m like, when in life does a man get to fart one foot away from Melanie Griffith’s face like that? Where you literally have her right here. Here’s the a. There’s just aisle way, maybe two feet, two foot aisle way. Pretty narrow. And then he just opened up. Just opened up.
I was writing and so I was awake and I was, oh, good Lord. As soon as there’s a fart on a plane, you always blame the fat guy. Yeah, always. Especially when it’s so convenient that his a is right near her face.
KURT METZGER: Yes. You wouldn’t take responsibility for it. I had an ex-girlfriend one time, years ago, we were at the supermarket, we were ringing up and there’s some kid, you know, some little kid. This kid was standing directly behind her, right? And I just look over and she’s just giggling.
So she would pretend she didn’t fart ever. But then I knew she would fart on the kid. I guess she couldn’t hold it. But there’s a kid sitting there with his lollipop. And I just saw her holding in a laugh. I’m like, you monster. Did you… He likes it. She couldn’t hold it. Sometimes you can’t hold it.
JOE ROGAN: You ever have your pants and you think you’re just going to not hold it?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
JOE ROGAN: You have that when you’re out. That’s not nice. And then you get in a hot car and you got to sit there.
KURT METZGER: I was trying to pee and hold one in. My girlfriend’s at the sink. And I just farted. And I went, no. And she goes, did you just yell? Did you just fart and yell? No, I’m like… Because I didn’t want it.
Church Healing Services
JOE ROGAN: What’s that guy doing? So this is a different preacher. He’s head banging. What’s he doing at the same church? Why is that guy dancing like that? He’s been… He just… You got healed? I think so. Imagine how annoying it must be when, you know, people are acting. You know, we go to church and just… People just put on there. I just got healed. Acting, flop around.
KURT METZGER: Well, if you’re going to a church where you’re getting into that, rolling around the ground and s*. Everybody’s going to feel like they got healed. Because you’re doing a group hypnosis ritual.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. You’re doing group mania. Look at this guy. He’s throwing people to the ground. Run through crowds. Pretty entertaining though. Be fun. But he’s just getting a lot of attention, right? Maybe he believes it. Maybe it’s real. Maybe it’s real. And we’re being skeptical because…
KURT METZGER: Yo, so… Steve Byrne was there this weekend.
JOE ROGAN: What?
KURT METZGER: You know Steve Byrne?
JOE ROGAN: What?
KURT METZGER: Steve Byrne was at the… Steve Byrne.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, I didn’t get…
KURT METZGER: I wasn’t wrong there.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
KURT METZGER: You’re going to say he was at this. He was healed recently by Christ Penelope.
JOE ROGAN: I couldn’t understand the name. You were saying you were… You were so intent on getting to your point.
KURT METZGER: Because I forget, if I don’t get too fast.
JOE ROGAN: I get it.
KURT METZGER: I’m just going to forget it.
JOE ROGAN: Steve Byrne was at the Mothership.
Comedy as Hypnosis
KURT METZGER: So I’m sitting in the green room and I look up, he’s doing some bit he does at the end. By the way, as long as I know him, he was always very charismatic guy. Chicks always liked him. Always. And I asked him, did you take a hypnosis class at all? No, he naturally does it.
But I look up at the screen and he does his sausage party bit. And it’s not any kind of hypnosis thing, but when I looked up, it’s like a lady sitting in a chair and 10 guys and music and lights. And I’m like, oh, a guy’s going to start acting like a chicken or something. You know, that’s what it looked like.
But I think he just does it unconsciously without even realizing what he’s doing. Some people just got the voice, you know.
JOE ROGAN: Right. Well, I think… Don’t you think comedy is kind of a… Kind of a hypnosis?
KURT METZGER: If I’m in the zone, I did it to myself and, you know.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: And then I like became the room. So there’s nowhere to like, you can’t really. I wouldn’t worry about somebody heckling or something because I’m the room. What are you going to do? You know what I mean? Like it.
JOE ROGAN: Don’t you think you get it when you watch someone too? Like if you watch someone great. Like a tell. If you watch an A tell and he’s killing, you’re locked into his brain.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. It’s domain projection.
JOE ROGAN: What?
KURT METZGER: Domain projection.
JOE ROGAN: Domain protection. What is domain projection? Exactly.
The Occult Science of Crowd Control
KURT METZGER: So like all that stupid occult sh*t that, you know that into perplexity.
JOE ROGAN: Jamie.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: What is domain projection?
KURT METZGER: Which is some occult sh*t.
JOE ROGAN: It’s a cult.
KURT METZGER: Well, NLP. You know what NLP is?
JOE ROGAN: Neuro Linguistic programming.
KURT METZGER: If you look on Wikipedia, says it’s a pseudoscience. Well, no. If it is, why is everybody use it? Non Stop all the time. It doesn’t work. Why would they be using it on me all day long? And every time I turn on something and I go and I hear some f*ing catchphrase that I hate.
JOE ROGAN: Do you think it’s called neuro pseudoscience? Because they want to discredit it. This isn’t what we were looking at for. For an answer. Domain projection usually means mapping data or functions from one domain. So use it as put in. What is domain projection as an MKUltra?
KURT METZGER: Well, I’m not saying that some phrase from it. I’m just saying nuts and bolts of it.
JOE ROGAN: I want to know what happens when you say that. What to put in Fort Watcher, A mind control tool used by MK Ultra.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, that’s how we did.
JOE ROGAN: We might find something.
KURT METZGER: Oh God, they did do it.
JOE ROGAN: Domain projection is not a documented MK Ultra term. Okay, so domain projection appears in technical fields software engineering searches of MK Ultra. Yeah. Okay, so this doesn’t say anything about domain projection as a form of mind control.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, I wouldn’t. Well, it’s just if you got a show and you’re controlling. It’s crowd control in a way.
JOE ROGAN: Right. But it looked. It does.
KURT METZGER: Okay, so how do I dress up for how I want to control you? That’s how people got think when they do whatever. Like a pickup artist or con man or maybe a magician.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
KURT METZGER: That’s what like a close up magic of something. They got a. They got to bring you into their reality with whatever they’re doing.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
KURT METZGER: So whatever gets people there. Or you’ll hear about gurus where there’s that guy, that weird cult that’s like deep inside Google from that weird gay guy and people come in the room and his light would be gold around him and. Yeah, you never heard of this?
JOE ROGAN: This is what Kurt does. He tells you about something crazy and he goes, you never heard of that? You don’t know?
The Dark History of the Sentinel Islands
KURT METZGER: Oh, you got me with a good one with that guy from the Sentinel Islands. I didn’t know they had a bit. Is that why they’re not that cool? A guest?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, Maurice Vidal Portman.
KURT METZGER: So you tell me. Another explorer.
JOE ROGAN: Yep.
KURT METZGER: Yet another explorer. Found a land of kids where they could do weird with kids.
JOE ROGAN: Well, not just kids, guys. He would dress guys up like Roman soldiers and he would measure their testicles.
KURT METZGER: Like that’s just science.
JOE ROGAN: Like one of his quotes was like describing one of them. They had testicles the size of a sparrow’s egg. It’s like the way he’s talking about it was like this.
KURT METZGER: You put your glasses.
JOE ROGAN: Lovingly eccentric homosexual fascination with these islanders. So he gave a bunch of them diseases and a few people died. He kidnapped these kids. I think he kidnapped the kid and their parents or their grandparents. And the grandparents got sick because they were all. They all had cooties. And so they wind up dying.
And so then anytime someone showed up, there’s only 39 of these fing people on this island. So they have this story in their spoken word tradition. They don’t even have a written history. So this story of white people show up, start measuring your ds, and everybody dies. That’s their story. So anytime someone pulls up with a Bible, this is the reason why they want to kill them. That’s why you can’t show up at that island.
KURT METZGER: It sounds like an alien abduction story. I mean, just like that, their EP is a much darker.
JOE ROGAN: It’s the same thing. It’s from an alien civilization. You show up in these wooden boats to people that were stranded on an island for 60,000 years.
Peter the Dolphin and Interspecies Ethics
KURT METZGER: Imagine like that’s why I understand Peter the dolphin. I always say, taking it because imagine you never. You just have flippers, so you never knew what you were missing. And then a beautiful alien just jerks you off every day.
JOE ROGAN: Imagine someone puts you in a f*ing cage for no reason and keeps you there your whole life. And you’re horny all the time and you don’t even have hands. So what are you going to do?
KURT METZGER: You want to hope for a co edge.
JOE ROGAN: You’re echo locate knees.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, yeah. To use her knees.
JOE ROGAN: You don’t even have a female dolphin in there. That’s crazy. It’s like they didn’t do anything. We. One day we’re going to realize how smart dolphins are and we’re going to feel real bad.
KURT METZGER: We don’t feel all the people he blew up. So I’m doubt that dolphin awakening will some people do.
JOE ROGAN: Some people feel bad about the people that the United States blows up.
The Prussian System and Kindergarten Indoctrination
KURT METZGER: Well, we only have school. I always like to bring up public school kindergarten. Because 70% of guys didn’t want to pull the trigger in battle. And that had to be fixed with the Prussian system, which is why it’s called kindergarten. The Austrian, you know, Prussian word to get you away from mommy at age 5 instead of age 6.
JOE ROGAN: And they could teach you about war.
KURT METZGER: Well, they could just. The state can get a.
JOE ROGAN: They teach about everything. Yeah, they can. Design industry. Right. Well, that’s. I mean, indoctrination of children is a real thing. That’s why when people scoff at it being used for like trans indoctrination. Like, why would anybody do that?
KURT METZGER: Like, stop.
JOE ROGAN: They do that to try to get you on an Android phone. Okay. People try to indoctrinate you with everything. Everything that’s ever existed. People try to get you to do well.
KURT METZGER: That’s where. Why sigils and brands are so important.
JOE ROGAN: Yes, absolutely. They try to get you to wear what they’re wearing. They try to get you to do what they’re doing well.
The CIA and Modern Art
KURT METZGER: You also. It helps if you have a few gatekeepers. Like in art. I can’t remember the guy’s name, but there’s like one guy who. And the reason he’s like the guy is because the investments he picks pay off. I guess in the art world he’s some famous. Like where he’s like been around forever. And I’m sure he’s some kind of hack and whatever.
But why are these people installed there? We already know that Rothko and all the modern art, American, abstract, modern art was launched by the CIA.
JOE ROGAN: That’s right.
KURT METZGER: That’s public record. So you think they stopped at that? You don’t think they got involved with all the arts?
JOE ROGAN: Well, they definitely got involved in that because the Soviet art was so valuable. Soviet art was more skillful. And they tried to prop up America like Jackson Pollock. That’s one of them that they connect to being. Which when you look at the Jackson Pollock artwork, that’s worth fing millions of dollars. No disrespect to anybody who’s a fan, but shut the f up.
Like, just shut up. Just shut the f* up. It’s splatter. And the idea that all this one guy, anybody splattered. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with splattering paint fractals.
KURT METZGER: No one ever recreate.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I mean.
KURT METZGER: Shut the f* up some. There’s modern art things I’ll look at and I can. I’ll be like, oh, I like it. I don’t like it. But the thing is, the thing with it is it’s not that there’s no. I’m not saying there’s no art to it. It’s just. Why does one thing become a thing and one doesn’t?
JOE ROGAN: There’s gatekeepers for sure. Cause there’s some. It’s all about the names. Who’s got the work, whether that work is valued very high. What is that guy in Manhattan, we showed a photo of this painting that he had. It’s worth like 100 million dollars. It’s f*ing insane. It looks like nothing.
KURT METZGER: Well, usually De Kooning’s the one everybody trashes the most because he has a factory of people making it.
The Insanity of Art Valuations
JOE ROGAN: Oh, I don’t know if that’s that one. This guy had a large painting by this guy and it was insanely Val, Remember the real. It might not have been. It might have been 50 million, whatever, but it’s just you’re looking at it, you’re like, what the f* are you even talking about? How is that worth anything? Well, I mean, maybe it’s worth something. I’d give you a couple hundred.
KURT METZGER: Oh, this. Who is it?
JOE ROGAN: What’s that one? I just pulled something up. That’s a record auction price for Barnett Newman. For real? Is that real? Two blue squares. That’s real. So much. Go to jail.
KURT METZGER: Do the guys come with it?
JOE ROGAN: 43.8 million for two blue squares. See, this is just proof that just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you’re smart. Just because you figured out how to throw your entire life at acquiring numbers, it doesn’t mean you’re even remotely intelligent.
KURT METZGER: Well, it depends what value you have stored in that, I guess.
JOE ROGAN: No, no, no, no, no, no. You don’t have to depend. That one’s great though. That’s only 165 million. That’s a bargain. Look at that. Look at that f*ing painting. She paid 168 million.
KURT METZGER: How do you like that?
JOE ROGAN: That lady is involved in what art.
KURT METZGER: Is at the end. But that is a money loss.
JOE ROGAN: Completely insane. That is completely insane. That, that’s 165 billion dollars. That is completely, utterly, totally insane. There’s no, there’s no way you could look at that and go, I get it, dude.
KURT METZGER: NFTs, they were selling right and left.
JOE ROGAN: For a dollar now.
KURT METZGER: No, I know, but that’s still you still. Because there’s some kind of item there. You could still store your value in it.
JOE ROGAN: Well, that probably she, when she gave it away. Well, it’s probably an awesome tax write off. So if you have 165 million bucks, like if you got that kind of money, she’s probably worth billions.
KURT METZGER: Baseball cards for the ultra wealthy is.
JOE ROGAN: How I look at it.
KURT METZGER: Or Pokemon cards for old rich people. That’s what they are. They’re like baseball cards.
The Hidden Trillionaires
JOE ROGAN: I looked up all the wealthiest people in the world last night. I looked up the wealthiest women in the world. It’s all inheritance. The top ones are. It’s all like these families.
KURT METZGER: Well, they’re not going to tell you who’s a trillionaire, right? They’re going to pretend we don’t have.
JOE ROGAN: Those well, they don’t have to be public. See, that’s the thing. Those are oligarchs, right? Right, yeah. Those are people that are a part of these royal families that are getting that oil money. They don’t have to tell you jack sh*t.
KURT METZGER: No, they don’t.
JOE ROGAN: They probably mock Elon Musk’s wealth.
KURT METZGER: Of course, every time somebody goes, he’s the richest man in the world, I go, do you think you get to know who that is? You think they’re going to tell you in Forbes, the richest man in the world is like, tell everyone that’s me.
JOE ROGAN: Well, other countries do not have to disclose. They’re not paying taxes to anyone. They literally own the country. Like these royal families own the country.
The Hidden Costs of Corruption
KURT METZGER: The whole country’s my house, motherf*er.
JOE ROGAN: Just think of the amount of money that’s missing in this country. Just in fraud, right? There’s trillions of dollars.
KURT METZGER: Every 10 years you get 2 trillion they can’t account for.
JOE ROGAN: There’s always trillions of dollars in fraud. There’s trillion dollars in waste. Just that. Now imagine if you own the whole country, how much money do you have? There’s no way you don’t have trillions.
KURT METZGER: And you have it stored all over.
JOE ROGAN: And then, oh, everywhere.
KURT METZGER: All over the world.
JOE ROGAN: You’re buying real estate in Manhattan. You’re buying like those crazy sky rises that are all three-quarters empty.
Antarctica and the Neutrino Detector
KURT METZGER: My buddy Eric Hecker, the guy, he was in Antarctica, the guy worked at the Raytheon.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, you know that guy?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. I saw that guy on Sean Ryan’s show and I was like, wait, what is that?
KURT METZGER: That’s where I first saw him. Yeah, he’s—
JOE ROGAN: It’s a neutrino detector that’s also a direct energy weapon that—
KURT METZGER: Okay, so ice quakes, I was already aware of ice cube neutrino detector, because I just like looking up science s*. And you know, neutrinos are wacky. So when I first heard of it, they had built this detector in Antarctica. They didn’t mention it’s Raytheon, but that’s who built it.
JOE ROGAN: Neutrinos are passing through us all the—
KURT METZGER: Almost useless particles. And the thing is, they all come from space, but for some reason, anomalously, neutrinos seem to be coming out of the Earth at that part in Antarctica was the big mainstream science mystery of that the neutrino detector is going to find. But anyway, he started saying you could use neutrinos for all kinds of s* like FTL communications if you had to, or you could—
JOE ROGAN: What is FTL?
KURT METZGER: Faster than light communications through entanglement. You could deal with neutrinos.
JOE ROGAN: You could send information through neutrinos.
KURT METZGER: Apparently. Now look, I’m a dolphin expert, not a neutrino expert, so I want to make that clear. I get a couple claws in me, I talk dolphins. But he had no—he had no seeing an alien stories or something.
JOE ROGAN: No.
Weather Weapons and HAARP
KURT METZGER: Also he has like—he could explain scientifically to you. But I already think it’s a weapon because I already know what HAARP is. All the things they told you are not—that is a f*ing lie. I mean, it’s just a lie. There’s a treaty to not use weather weapons from ’75. Why? Because they had those. You don’t make a treaty unless you have those weapons. There’s no nuclear treaty before nukes. Right?
JOE ROGAN: Right. Yeah, good point.
KURT METZGER: We use it in Nam. Iran accused W of using weather weapons on them.
JOE ROGAN: Really?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, on my dinner jacket. Remember that guy, the guy who wore that—
JOE ROGAN: He accused them of using—
KURT METZGER: They had a drought and so anyway—
JOE ROGAN: With ELF, he accused them of starting the drought.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, it’s not—see, controls may be a misnomer. It’s like how people talk about a controlled burn. Like in—and I asked my—my girl’s brother’s a fireman, outdoor fireman. He goes, we don’t call it a controlled burn because we really only control it at the point where we set it. Like a what? Because we call it a prescribed burn.
So they can prescribe weather, let’s put it that way. You could stimulate a thing and get certain effects and it’s all like ELF waves and s*.
JOE ROGAN: Well, did I just have another f*ing flood?
KURT METZGER: And they bought and from over geoengineering and they banned people from taking video of it at the time as a big embarrassment.
JOE ROGAN: But they just had another one. There’s a recent one.
KURT METZGER: Oh, well, I—I don’t know if—
JOE ROGAN: That’s because I heard some people talking—
KURT METZGER: About it or I saw some people, ELF waves. You could do all kinds of stuff with those waves.
Cloud Seeding and the Texas Flood
JOE ROGAN: Right. But cloud seeding is 100% real. And they cloud seed in the United Arab Emirates, I believe. I believe they do that every week. I think they make it rain there every week in more ways than one. You know what I’m saying? But they make it actually rain there. They actually make it rain there once a week.
KURT METZGER: Remember the kid with the mullet? They blamed the mystic camp drowning here in Texas when the flood happen.
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
KURT METZGER: It wasn’t that kid. He got set up. He got hung out to dry like it was on him. But no, nothing he did. And Jesse Michaels is right. He was right. He told me. And he was dead right. Whatever caused that was something so much more sinister. And that kid was like his easy guy to—you know.
JOE ROGAN: So what do you think that that was man-made weather that caused that storm?
KURT METZGER: I—dude, I can’t remember the guy’s name we had at the time on Jimmy’s show. The dude came on and explained exactly what it was and the loophole that let them. Because there’s a treaty denied, so I assume they just violate it. But no, there’s actually a loophole to test this s out here. It’s so fed, dude. It’s so f*ed.
JOE ROGAN: And so what evidence does this guy have that they created that storm? Because I thought they had been tracking that storm. I thought this is like—
KURT METZGER: I’m not saying he said they created it, but I thought it was—
JOE ROGAN: But hold on. I thought it was a convergence of two storms that was very rare and it caused this flash flood.
KURT METZGER: I don’t remember his details. I just know I—I feel at this point, especially after that Epstein s*, that they should have to prove they’re not guilty.
JOE ROGAN: Hold on. Yeah, sure. But also, storms are real. Like Katrina, there’s been always been f*ing actual real hurricane.
KURT METZGER: But the climate change s* is not real. That’s been a lie the whole time.
The UAE Floods and Climate Change
JOE ROGAN: A study published in World Weather Attribution Group found the global warming caused by fossil fuel emissions most likely exacerbated the intense rains that lashed the UAE and Oman last year. But this isn’t last year. So this is from the recent thing you just asked about from two weeks ago. Oh, okay, so two weeks ago there was a flood, right? It wasn’t as bad as one before, but there was. Okay, so this was two weeks ago that the two weeks ago one.
KURT METZGER: Bill Gates has already walked away from climate change. You saw that, right? I did.
JOE ROGAN: Hilarious.
KURT METZGER: So they’ve been lying to you for how long about that bulls*?
JOE ROGAN: Okay, here it is. The downpour, worsened by a lack of storm drains, hobbled Dubai Airport, the world’s busiest hub for international passengers. So they’re saying it’s climate change that’s causing it to rain more.
KURT METZGER: There’s my proof that it’s not that.
JOE ROGAN: But here’s the—yeah, here’s the thing. They absolute do cloud seed. So why don’t you search that, put that into production.
KURT METZGER: Geoengineering is the term put into perplexity.
JOE ROGAN: Does the United Arab Emirates cloud seed to make artificial rain or—it’s not artificial, it’s real rain, just their force rain. What’s the word? Whatever. Search that, you’ll find it.
KURT METZGER: Jamie.
JOE ROGAN: They absolutely do do that. Cloud seeding is widely used in the UAE to enhance natural rainfall, but it only works when suitable clouds already exist and typically increases rain by perhaps 10 to 30%, not by creating storms from nothing. The UAE runs one of the world’s most active research-driven rain enhancement programs using aircraft ground generators and experimental methods like drones and electric charging to boost water security.
So they’re just doing it a bunch of different ways over there. So blaming it on climate change when they are 100% making it rain there all the time is bananas. It’s bananas. Like you don’t even know what the f*ing weather would be like if they didn’t do it. If they’re doing it all the time, if they’re doing it all the time, you literally don’t have a control group.
Chemtrails and Geoengineering
KURT METZGER: Do you remember chemtrails? The thing that was a stupid people thought was a real thing, but it was a conspiracy. Well, it turns out that that was real and it’s called geoengineering. They did the thing, they always do a changing the name of the thing to not admit it’s a true.
JOE ROGAN: But a lot of the trails that you see in the sky that look like artificial clouds are just created because of condensation in the atmosphere. The moisture in the atmosphere hitting the hot jet engine in an incredibly cold climate, it literally creates clouds.
KURT METZGER: But it should be all of them. There shouldn’t even be—20% of the time you’re spraying s*. We already know. Well, I don’t know.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t think it’s that many, I think—but they definitely do spray s. That’s the problem. The problem is when everybody thinks that every fing Southwest airline is spraying things to keep everybody docile, which you’re missing. That’s—that’s the problem is that’s easily disprovable. And what you do is you open the door for that allows them to do the real s*. So what you got to recognize, how—
KURT METZGER: Do you open the door with that.
JOE ROGAN: What’s the regular plane?
KURT METZGER: Wait, how do you open the door?
JOE ROGAN: Because if you think that every f*ing American Airlines flight overhead that’s making artificial clouds is doing it because they’re spraying things on you that’s easily disproven. And then that—hold on. That makes all the other stuff seem silly too, right? Because I think they probably are spraying some things with some planes and there’s real data that shows that they’ve tried that and practiced that.
Project SATAN in England
KURT METZGER: Yeah, I mean, they, they—here’s my favorite one that I told you the stratospheric atmosphere was it. It’s called SATAN in England.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that one. Search that one.
KURT METZGER: The geoengineering England because, you know, to fight climate change. We’re going to call it—
JOE ROGAN: We’re going to call it SATAN. We’re going to dim the atmosphere.
KURT METZGER: Too much sunlight gets to England.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s really bad.
KURT METZGER: That’s where we’re getting all that climate change from.
JOE ROGAN: England’s a lot of burns, causes fires.
KURT METZGER: These—these poor swamp people are going to be f*ing—and then to call it SATAN. Are you? Just like—they’re going to make Mordor.
JOE ROGAN: It’s going to literally look like Mordor. It’s going to be black skies. And where does Sauron live?
KURT METZGER: It’ll be like Highlander 2, where we learn not to do this.
JOE ROGAN: Where does Sauron live?
KURT METZGER: Oh, Mordor.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, Mordor. SATAN is the name of the tiny UK balloon experiment that release very small amount of sulfur dioxide—literally, SATAN smells like sulfur—sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere over England. As a proof of concept for solo geoengineering, not a large-scale ongoing weather modification program, it has nonetheless become a focus of online conspiracy claims about UK geoengineering and weather control.
How funny is that? It’s become a focus of online conspiracy claims about UK geoengineering. So them actually doing geoengineering has become a focus of online conspiracy claims about geoengineering.
The Satan Balloon and Geoengineering
KURT METZGER: What a strange thing to put a balloon called Satan. It sprays sulfur. Is everybody like? I love how they gaslight you and f*ing things. Oh, it’s not a big deal. Nicki Minaj has a great sense of showmanship.
JOE ROGAN: Satan was not a part of a major UK development program. It was led by a private researcher and later UK funding announcements for solo geoengineering research focused on other small scale outdoor trials. Example, sea ice thickening, cloud brightening with formal oversight.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, so what?
JOE ROGAN: So they’re doing sea ice thickening.
KURT METZGER: Okay, so let me translate. The stuff has already been developed militarily.
JOE ROGAN: These motherf*ers are trying to make an ice age.
KURT METZGER: They’re doing sickening. You know the ice is coming back. I know, yeah. That’s weird. I was told there’s going to be. Oh, the coral reefs came back. There’s more rainforest than there’s ever been. Did you know that we’re in this.
The Precession of the Equinoxes
JOE ROGAN: Precession of the equinoxes thing, right? What is the precession of the equinoxes? It’s like every twenty something thousand years, the Earth doesn’t just spin, right? It spins with a wobble. And that wobble is called the precession of the equinoxes.
That’s how they, when they look at some of the ancient sites in, you know, like Egypt and different places where the sun at the summer solstice would have come through this. And they use that to determine around the time period when it was built. It’s a theory at least because they know that the sky moves and that they had tracked this, the ancients had tracked this, the precession of the Egyptian space.
But this is the thing it means during the wobble is when the Earth gets colder and warmer and colder and warmer, depending on where you are in the wobble cycle. So the equator kind of stays the same, which is why there’s all these ancient sites on the equator. The Mayans and the Aztecs and all these incredible civilizations, they existed in a place where it didn’t f* it up too much, whereas everything else, it’s like ice age, then it gets hot. Ice age, then it gets hot.
KURT METZGER: I thought we were in technically ice age for the last however long because there normally historically weren’t ice caps. So we’re still technically in an ice age. As far as I know, if you look it up, that’s what they’ll tell you.
JOE ROGAN: I think that’s true. I think that’s true. I think it has gotten warmer and it has gotten colder, but I think technically we’re in an ice age.
KURT METZGER: I’m still a little bitter about it because I used to get. I could think of, like, I told you three or four things on the top of my head where I went to bed.
JOE ROGAN: Like, oh, no, these fing eggheads that are talking about spraying things in the sky. Freaks me out. Because the scariest thing that could ever happen to us is an ice age. Because you can’t go anywhere warm. If it gets hot out, you move to the north. That’s what people have done from the fing beginning of time. And we’re like, we’re here.
KURT METZGER: We’re staying here forever.
JOE ROGAN: No, if the ocean rises, you have to leave. And if people didn’t ever exist, the oceans moved back and forth fing thousands of miles. It’s going to move. You’re going to have earthquakes, you’re going to have things change. Sht.
Climate Change and Ocean Front Property
KURT METZGER: You know how plotted by. If Obama builds ocean front proper, that’s my guiding all this vineyard. They all buy ocean front, so that. Yeah. And the insurance never changed on it. So it’s been bullsh*t the whole time. There’s still people that are like. And they’ve invested everything.
JOE ROGAN: They’ve invested everything. They also have cats and they live alone.
KURT METZGER: I mean, there’s a lot of that.
JOE ROGAN: A lot of people, like, taking care of the earth like it’s their kids, because they don’t have any kids.
John C. Lilly and Project Blue Beam
KURT METZGER: Can I tell you a crackpot theory I have? And I know it’s hard to believe, as a respected dolphin scientist, I think that. Oh, he had one. It looks like in the video of John C. Lilly. Yeah, like this.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. I don’t know. The goon Tank told him to do it and he did it. The guy’s a fing nut. The guy was involved in bad sht. He wasn’t good. Project Blue Beam, you always hear about, with the fake alien invasion they were planning on and in the seventies.
JOE ROGAN: Right, right, right, right.
KURT METZGER: Which, by the way, was not supposed to be a fake alien invasion. It was supposed to be a fake religious event that could be an alien invasion, but it wasn’t necessarily that.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, okay.
KURT METZGER: And, you know, even if they did it or didn’t do it, they. There’s another project to get. I think that this whole bullsh*t of climate change and the thing of, like, maybe you’re the Alien. And you don’t belong here on the Earth. Right?
JOE ROGAN: Right.
The Gaia Cult Theory
KURT METZGER: I think that’s a smarter play to do than Bluebeam is to get this Gaia cult started where the Earth’s more important than you, the human living here. And you’re probably not even from. You probably came from another planet here from some kind of panspermia.
And then when you hear any of these stupid alien stories, this is how I know they’re a fake one from some dark entity is they always tell you about how humans are so warlike if humans don’t change their ways. Yo, assholes. Nobody wants to go to war. Seventy percent of people didn’t want to even pull the trigger. That’s why we have kindergarten.
What are you. Why aren’t you going to our leaders and thumbing their assholes and telling them this sht? Why do you do it to some farm? That’s the suspicion whenever I hear that fing Gaia Earth sh*t.
JOE ROGAN: Mm.
KURT METZGER: I think that’s what Bluebeam actually manifested as. Because it all comes like in the nineties. And they’re all connected to Epstein, all the greats. What’s his name? Leon Black. That f*. You know that is.
JOE ROGAN: No.
KURT METZGER: Oh, he’s an Epstein, pal. All these asshole. I mean you could find the sh*t pretty easy. But they all. That’s where this came from. Where it’s like it’s. You’re a guest on this planet. And then they go, oh, humans are destroying everything.
Like, we’re not in charge of that motherfer. I’m not putting Satan up in the sky to spray sulfur dioxide. I’m not starting wars for no fing reason. Everybody voted for Trump to not have a war in Venezuela. I know that.
JOE ROGAN: Right?
Venezuela and the War Debate
KURT METZGER: Nobody voted. So they’re like, we got it. No fentanyl. That’s a lie. I mean, I don’t know what idiot thinks fentanyl is coming from Venezuela, but only liars and morons think that. And if it. If I’m wrong, can we see the evidence? We saw the video of you murdering those people. I just got take your word for it.
That oily haired f Pete Hegseth with his weirdo Catholic Templar knight tattoos you got. He’s got fing Dan Brown cuckoo tattoos. They’re not Nazi. They’re fing knights of fing Saint. Saint Butt f*. Whatever.
JOE ROGAN: I saw that same symbol in a Catholic church.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, they’re old crusader sht. And just, you know, Templars were not good guys. They were real fed. They were. In fact, it’s a real Diddy Party.
JOE ROGAN: We’re going on a raw. A long, circuitous route. What did you say initially, before that?
KURT METZGER: Venezuela did. Why?
JOE ROGAN: Okay, everybody’s going to war thing. One of the boats, the remains of the boat just showed up. They just found it and has marijuana in it.
KURT METZGER: Oh, you know what? I stand corrected then. Sorry, Joe, but.
JOE ROGAN: No, I mean, Sam saying to prove.
KURT METZGER: To your point, they almost had marijuana.
JOE ROGAN: No, they say it had. I think that’s true. See, if that’s. That was something that was in the.
KURT METZGER: News today, they’re calling a war crime. You know, we didn’t. Nobody declared war, so it was just a crime to do that. And if you had evidence, remember the.
JOE ROGAN: What I’m getting to is it would be nice.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
The Marijuana Boat Evidence
JOE ROGAN: If they had one that showed there’s even cocaine. Because if they have one and the only one they have is marijuana. “Grim evidence of Trump’s airstrike washes ashore on a Colombian peninsula. First came the scorched boat, then the mangled bodies, then the packets with traces of marijuana. Now the fishermen fear the ocean that feeds them.”
KURT METZGER: Yeah, no sht. So that’s another. Bullsht.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but this is. So this was just. They were just bringing in marijuana. So they were trying to smuggle in marijuana to Colombia? No, wherever they were going. I don’t know where they were going.
KURT METZGER: Venezuela is not where we’re getting our drugs from. Just.
JOE ROGAN: So was this in Colombia or was this in Venezuela?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, found it in Colombia. It washed up in Colombia.
JOE ROGAN: Right, but the boat was in Venezuela. Where was the boat headed? To the Gulf of Venezuela, which is right next to Colombia. So where are these boats supposedly going with this cocaine? That. We’re blowing them up.
KURT METZGER: Okay, they said fentanyl. Now they’re saying cocaine.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, say fentanyl. Where are the boats going? Where we’re blowing them up?
KURT METZGER: That’s above. That’s top secret, Joe. That’s.
JOE ROGAN: But you know what I’m saying, like, if they’re supposed to be smuggling these drugs, where are they supposed to be smuggling them? “Campaign against boats that the Trump administration claims are smuggling drugs has shifted largely to the Pacific since November. The November 6th strike on the Guajira Peninsula took place during an earlier phase when the campaign seemed to be aimed at Venezuelan rather than Colombian vessels.”
So this one was in Colombia at a Colombian vessel.
KURT METZGER: So.
JOE ROGAN: But it turned out that it was marijuana. At least one of the packets that they found was marijuana, right?
Maduro and the Oil Connection
KURT METZGER: Mm. Oh, that’s right. They want Nicholas. So Trump said, you have to leave office or else. And then they started doing this. That’s what’s going on.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, so do you think that. Well, listen, most corrupt organizations are going to take part in whatever money gets flowed around. I mean, it’s not like these drug dealers are operating with complete immunity. Right. I would imagine if you’re in a country like Venezuela, if it is a corrupt country, you’re paying people off, people are getting a percentage of the action.
KURT METZGER: Why the f do I care about anything? Oh that’s right, they have oil. Oh, that’s right, oil. Oh, that’s. Oh, we by the way, stole oil tankers also. And this is where I can’t support Maduro. And I’m sorry, Maduro. This is where you fed up.
He doesn’t fing support Israel, this son of a btch. So did he say that? Oh yes. And he said the thing that Charlie said before he died about ethnic cleansing. Anyway, originally, remember Juan Guaido, who was. When Trump did his State of the Union and Nancy Pelosi tore his speech in half?
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
Juan Guaido and Venezuela’s Leadership
KURT METZGER: Okay, here’s what she didn’t. So that was, oh, what a statement. But when it came to Trump going, and now the rightful ruler of Venezuela, Juan Guaido, and this guy Juan Guaido, who is by the way, is not the rightful ruler of Venezuela, all Democrats and Republicans, all unified on how great Juan Guaido is. Okay, so nothing comes to him.
JOE ROGAN: It’s the oil deal.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Then about, I don’t want to say, a year later or so, Aaron Mate is hosting for Jimmy and we play a clip of Juan Guaido in Venezuela. He moved back to Venezuela and Venezuela didn’t put him in jail or nothing. And you see people in a restaurant throwing sht at him because they hate his fing guts.
But he’s free to live there and not in prison because they’re smart and know like not to do nothing with it. So now there’s a new person.
JOE ROGAN: What was he accused of?
KURT METZGER: Well, he’s. He claimed he was the real president and he was working with America to overthrow the guy they elected.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, you know, he was the real president.
KURT METZGER: So Trump claiming Pelosi agreed.
JOE ROGAN: Rigged election.
Venezuela, Iran, and the Installation of Regimes
KURT METZGER: They’ve been claiming Venezuela has fake elections, but I don’t think they do. I think you’re first of all driving them closer to Maduro. If you don’t like him, they don’t like America. And I don’t know if you know, I know people think we gave a lot of help around the world, but no, it turns out we f*ed everybody’s country up and they don’t like us for a very good reason.
So when you tell somebody their president’s an authoritarian, get your booster fing, f you authoritarian. Those people get mad. And when you meet people from Venezuela, which I for years, they would go f* Chavez. Now Chavez didn’t take over in a couple of years. He’s one of those guys, I think attempted a coup and then went to jail and then got elected. I believe that’s the story. But he got elected. He nationalized. You know, the first thing a terrible dictator does is nationalize their oil and not let our… Like if you call Iran’s crime. They had it elected. They had a democracy.
JOE ROGAN: Yep.
KURT METZGER: The guy said, we’re going to keep our f*ing oil, not give it to England. And so got rid of him. Put the shah.
JOE ROGAN: Exactly.
KURT METZGER: You know who installed the ayatollah? That was the Jimmy Carters. That was the trilateral. So Rockefeller. The west installed the f*ing ayatollah as well. Okay. That’s a, by the way, public. Right. You go look that up. So now I’m supposed to be mad at these regimes that my own dipshit country with their dipshit post World War II allies put these people here.
The ISIS Leader in the White House
I still want somebody explaining to me how the f the leader of ISIS can walk in the White House and shake Trump’s hand. And there’s still imbeciles. And you know them, they’re still republican imbeciles who are going to say ISIS is killing Christians in Nigeria. What about that? Well, can we ask our friend, the head of ISIS to ask them to stop? You fing jerk off.
When I tweet this f*. You know, and they’re all sock puppets and whatever they go, well, he won a war. That’s how it works. Always have some, you know, Israeli flag. Explained to me that’s how winning a war. The guy from ISIS. Aren’t they anti Semitic? I thought ISIS. Well, they never attack Israel. Oh, they did once and then apologized. Do you know that?
JOE ROGAN: No. When?
KURT METZGER: During the Syria conflict. Oh, and also the IDF would patch up ISIS soldiers in Syria. Did you know that? I found that out. Ron Jimmy show. It’s amazing the shit you find out and you realize no one knows a goddamn thing about anything.
And then how easy it is, dude, when you see the head of a guy who… John Kiriakou also told me very high chance was there in the Daniel Pearl beheading video. Really? He’s a founding member and fing… If you watch the video of Petraeus sucking his d on stage. Petraeus Goes, “Now, full disclosure, we were opposite sides during the surge. You know, the insurgent ISIS period.” Yeah, that’s who that guy is. And they’re talking like they’re old friends.
JOE ROGAN: Whoa.
KURT METZGER: Nobody knows that. Yeah, his name has been changed. Just like BB f*ing Bilbo. Not a Juhu.
JOE ROGAN: Look at him now.
KURT METZGER: He changed his name. He doesn’t dress like this. He wears a suit.
JOE ROGAN: That’s crazy.
KURT METZGER: Yo, shut up about ISIS if Trump’s shaking his…
JOE ROGAN: Is everybody like, hold on, go back to Trump’s quote about him. Go. Like, Trump said he had a rough past, but added, “We’ve all had a rough past.”
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Ain’t that the truth, brother. Ain’t that the truth.
JOE ROGAN: Just imagine if that guy was really in the Daniel Pearl beheading video.
KURT METZGER: I’m pretty sure he was.
JOE ROGAN: And he had a rough past.
KURT METZGER: Hey. Oh, that’s right. We made all these terrorist groups.
JOE ROGAN: We’ve all had a rough past.
KURT METZGER: Well, some of us were programmed.
JOE ROGAN: Doesn’t Patricia Christ, or whatever religion you are a part of, doesn’t it allow for forgiveness?
KURT METZGER: Penelope Christ does, but I’ve, since we’ve done this show, I’m with the Patricia Christ. Yeah. So Dan Soder’s mom, sort of.
JOE ROGAN: They allow for forgiveness. We’ve all had a rough path.
KURT METZGER: Well, here’s why I forgive ISIS. Because I don’t approve of their anti Semitic rhetoric and you know that. And neither does my wife, Shoshana Rothfin. But credit where credit is due, they have never attacked Israel. Al Qaeda and ISIS, the two most anti Semitic mad about Israel terror groups. You think they would because it’s right there before you come here. But no, they just attack us. Which, when you think about it, makes no f*ing sense as a plan, does it?
JOE ROGAN: Not right now. I have to think about it later.
KURT METZGER: It never did. If you told me, dude, after 9/11. And people did, people were like, why are we going to Iraq? That doesn’t really make any f*ing sense at all. You know what I said? Shut up. That’s all I said. You know, like, even though that’s a great point, why did we go there?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. No reason. I used to have a bit about it.
KURT METZGER: Well, there is.
JOE ROGAN: You don’t know how dumb people are until you have a dumb president.
The Greater Israel Project and Iraq
KURT METZGER: Oh, well, I think he was a Manchurian Candidate. And the reason we went there is a thing called the Greater Israel Project. So when you see Wesley Clark talking about the map.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: Remember they said, no war for oil. We didn’t get no oil out of that. In fact, most oil companies said, don’t do it. Except Halliburton, the oil company that got favoritism.
JOE ROGAN: Did you ever see Coleman Hughes take on that? It’s very interesting.
KURT METZGER: I don’t trust that motherf*er no more.
JOE ROGAN: Coleman Hughes said, but no one saw the report. He was just told what the contents of the report are.
KURT METZGER: Who?
JOE ROGAN: Wesley. Wesley Clark. He never said, I saw the report. He never said, I read the report.
KURT METZGER: Wow. Coleman. I like when Coleman criticized you. Because true. Who gives a f*ing shit? This is what happened. You clearly were hitting everybody on BB’s bucket list, number one. Number two. I know Coleman got coached before he came on here. Guy who I don’t have nothing against, but he came on here to refute basic facts that I want to make it clear.
I’m not debating nobody. I want you to convince me that I didn’t see what I already saw. I don’t care about a debate. I saw the crimes already. Because I’m on a new show. It’s very traumatic. And I watch morons who aren’t going to look. And I could give them the video. Not you. But people. Hey, look at the video. I don’t want to see it.
JOE ROGAN: You’re talking about Gaza all.
KURT METZGER: Dude. It could be anything. It could be f*ing anything. Everybody.
JOE ROGAN: Right, but specifically with Coleman. What are you talking about?
KURT METZGER: Oh, Gaza. But also he did this wormy shit with Ivermectin.
JOE ROGAN: Were you?
KURT METZGER: He goes, “Well, if big pharma. Big pharma’s made a lot of life. Big pharma made Ivermectin. So they’re not bad.” What the f are you talking about, Coleman? Why would you say that? Are you being paid this? I can’t fathom an argument that fing stupid from a guy that smart unless he’s getting paid. I just can’t fathom it.
Don’t attack big pharma. Who the f do you work for, asshole? Are you hitting them bounties that the other idiots are hitting? It’s real fed up. I don’t understand why people won’t just tell the truth all the time. It could end this whole bullshit if everybody stopped being a mercenary for two seconds. But they’re not going to.
The Ivermectin Controversy
JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s too many data points when it comes to Ivermectin. There’s too many things that you could point to that say, this is one of the worst drugs ever to demonize.
KURT METZGER: It was such a stupid move, the Nobel, dude. They acted like to this day there’s people. And I like, love to bring up that for some reason, you not a Doctor, all the other morons that said a thing were all wrong, including the people that should know better, like experts, and you were right and not them. And all these dumb f liberals want to move on from that, don’t they? Well, arguably, you could say it saved lives. No, it didn’t save any fing lives.
JOE ROGAN: They still want to say it saved millions of lives. There’s, there’s still, without a doubt, when you were talking about these people that get bounties. Without a doubt, there’s doctors that get bounties.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. $750 ahead to put poison in your face. Kids we covered on Jimmy Show.
JOE ROGAN: Mary Tally Bowden, she has a small practice, small practice in Texas. She said she would have got $1.5 million if she had vaccinated everybody. $1.5 million.
KURT METZGER: Well, those loans are very expensive to be a doctor, you know, crazy.
JOE ROGAN: That is. That’s a small, a small practice. How many small practices are there? How much money was being distributed?
KURT METZGER: Yeah. So you think SNAP is a con? How about doctors depending on, put a fing bioweapon in your kids at $750 ahead. People don’t understand the scope of the problem at all. They think they’re going to vote a party in that’s going to do so. Oh, you got attacked. We covered this because you said maybe time to stop thinking about left and right, which you are correct. And you could tell who’s no fing good because they immediately recoil at the idea that left and right are bullshit, which they are.
JOE ROGAN: When did I get attacked?
KURT METZGER: I don’t know. I know you don’t pay attention. Good for you. But there’s a story covered on Jimmy Show I was going to point out.
JOE ROGAN: So, nice to not know when you’re being attacked.
Masks and Psychological Conditioning
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Listen, everybody’s such an idiot with this. They got sucked in immediately to even talk about the Rogan sphere. Yo, go get your booster and then talk about the Rogans for you. Unreal. There’s people wearing masks still. They still.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah.
KURT METZGER: Friends of mine that wear.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah. If you.
KURT METZGER: If you transition to a woman, that’s less of an uncomfortable thing than if you were going to wear a mask for.
JOE ROGAN: I’ll show you something. But I don’t want to shit on him because he’s fragile. We’ll play it and we won’t say anything. What is going on with people that are still wearing masks? Like there’s something like deeply psychologically wrong with it because it doesn’t work scientifically to prevent diseases.
KURT METZGER: It never did.
JOE ROGAN: But it’s also a very weird thing that you’re covering your face in this world.
KURT METZGER: Well, maybe you don’t want to be scanned.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that makes sense. But we’re communicating with our faces. When you talk to someone, you look in their eyes. If someone’s wearing sunglasses, it’s weird, right? But if someone’s wearing a mask, that’s f*ing weird too. I can’t see your mouth. I can’t see your nose.
KURT METZGER: I’m half deaf, so I have to lip read half of what you say. That’s what I learned during the pandemic, is that I’ve definitely damaged my hearing with my headphones over the years for sure.
JOE ROGAN: Crank music in them. Is that what it is?
KURT METZGER: I was in New York for 20 years, dude. You got to drown out the outside world to get by. Just to go on a subway. I jumped on the track. This is like very stupid, by the way, but I remember one time I jumped down the tracks to recover an iPod. Mini. Not a iPhone, an iPod to recover one.
JOE ROGAN: You jumped down to get it and.
KURT METZGER: I had to push myself back. It’s a lot deeper than you think it is when you jump down there.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, dude. What if you couldn’t make it up?
KURT METZGER: I made it up but one. But I was like, oh, I didn’t. I was like, wow. But I needed that. I couldn’t listen to subway noises. And there’s a Sikh guy that looked at me, I was like, like he couldn’t believe I just risked my life and I got stuck. But airpod. Because New York makes you f*ing crazy.
New York is a big dirty prison that makes you crazy. You live on top now. Here’s something good about it. Every, like class, especially if you do drugs in New York, you’re going to hang out with every level of society where you wouldn’t in more of a car place, you know, like LA.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I agree with that.
KURT METZGER: So it’s more integrated. Yeah, it’s more of a Babylon kind of experience. But everybody lives on top of each other. You could. You pay way too much for everything. You know, it’s. That’s why this. The thought of a 15-minute city. Nobody was frightened by that in like New York because they’re like, that’s what I live in. That would be different than my life now.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s not healthy. It’s not healthy to be stacked like that on top of each other.
KURT METZGER: Well, my immune system. I’ll tell you what’s unhealthy. They’re not getting sun.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: And I know friends had to get vitamin B and vitamin D and all that shit. Because you don’t get sun like that. And it turns out sun’s not actually. For some reason, they don’t want you having sun. They’ve been prescribing. You probably already talked about this. 10 times less vitamin D than you should get. They’ve been recommending. Yeah, they’ve been recommending 10 times less than what you should have in vitamin D, which, by the way, would fight off a lot of these things that you’re supposed to get shots for.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, a shit ton. And the best way to get vitamin D is from the sun.
KURT METZGER: I missed. That’s the thing I miss about LA is I was right by Runyon and I would go hike that every day.
JOE ROGAN: Then you feel better.
KURT METZGER: And I had to have his son. Like, I had to feel that on me. It really, like, you know, no, there’s something bad that you need that. That’s why it’s crazy that someone’s going to try to block it out. A crazy person would do that.
JOE ROGAN: It’s not even just a vitamin. It’s a hormone, like vitamin D. It does so much for, like, muscle development, brain function.
KURT METZGER: I bet all food grows from it, you know?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: How did I forget for 20 years that sunlight, CO2, does indeed make trees. Plants grow.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. There’s more greenery right now than there was a hundred years ago.
KURT METZGER: Well, but I’m not sure why I was like, that’s ridiculous. Is it because an authority was like, no, you can’t go by that.
JOE ROGAN: Well, do you remember when Bill Gates was saying that it’s ridiculous, the idea of growing more trees, that gets rid of some of the carbon. That’s ridiculous.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Dr. Bill Gates, for some reason, it’s fine for him to throw out his expertise, ain’t it?
JOE ROGAN: He literally said, aren’t we science people or not? He literally said that.
KURT METZGER: What the f* are you doing?
JOE ROGAN: Find that.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
Bill Gates on Trees and Climate Change
JOE ROGAN: It’s such a crazy speech because everybody knows that plants literally exist on that.
KURT METZGER: But it would be an idiot to say that back when they. And I remember someone saying it, like Sarah. Somebody that was like, you know, you’re supposed to hate the fake left and right. So maybe Sarah Palin said it and then Bill Maher said, that’s stupid. You know, some dynamic like that.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
KURT METZGER: But no, it’s not stupid. That’s what they. F*. That’s why we have more greenery now.
JOE ROGAN: So really plant food.
KURT METZGER: So we need.
JOE ROGAN: So not only that, it gives you more oxygen. More plants, more oxygen. Like, what are we talking about?
KURT METZGER: That’s right. I own all the seeds and all right. I bought the farms and I control the food growth.
JOE ROGAN: He was also the one telling us that we were going to have to stop eating meat and they were all banking on that f*ing plant meat that nobody wants to buy because it’s terrible for you.
KURT METZGER: You know, though, this is my favorite thing that about McDonald’s all beef pat, because it’s an old joke. I’m like, why are you specifying?
JOE ROGAN: Let’s play this real quick. Go, go. From the beginning.
KURT METZGER: I don’t plant trees, Okay.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t plan.
KURT METZGER: There’s a lot of people who are.
JOE ROGAN: Very enamored with trees.
KURT METZGER: We’ve got trees on this stage.
JOE ROGAN: Some people would even say that if.
KURT METZGER: You just planted enough trees, it could take care of the climate issue altogether.
JOE ROGAN: And that’s complete nonsense. Okay? I mean, are we the science people or are we the idiots? Which one do we want to be? I’m going to call.
KURT METZGER: Oh, my God.
JOE ROGAN: Things.
KURT METZGER: At the very moment.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, that’s a little bit out of context because what he’s saying there is that planting trees is not going to fix climate change. That’s a little different. Right, that’s what he’s saying there. But he was also talking about chopping down trees. He was like. It was part of one of the things that he was saying that was very controversial. He was talking about removing trees.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, well, the Climate summit, you know, they’re paving a whole part of the rainforest to make this special highway for the visitors to the Climate Summit. This is one of the funniest.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: And meanwhile. Oh, maybe they need a highway though, in that part. No, it’s only for the Climate summit. Yeah, that’s it. Nobody else could use it ever again.
So, yeah, first of all, are we the science people? No, this is a country full of f*ing morons. And it’s not the science. You’re not supposed to believe science. I don’t know why people think that you’re supposed to. Science is the opposite of belief. You’re supposed to. That’s like supposed to be things you can test. So you’re not supposed to hide the test results from people or not do the test, such as with the goddamn vaccine that they didn’t. They tested it on you. Well, not you, but they tested on you, the jerk off people.
Remember Operation Warp Speed? Yeah. That Trump attacked Massey for not going along with. And now the last guy that’s on us, he’s attacking him. And I got friends are like, yeah, Massey annoyed me. And why no specifics just high school feelings. Oh, were you trust candidate? Yo. If you think that the story of TPUSA hinges on Candace Owens, it does not. We’re making that clear to everybody. Oh, if you don’t like Candace, who gives a f*ing shit about. Has nothing to do with whether that story has some problems with it.
The Charlie Kirk Assassination Story
JOE ROGAN: Which story? The Charlie Kirk assassination story. Yeah, yeah.
KURT METZGER: Which it obviously does.
JOE ROGAN: It obviously does.
KURT METZGER: People, a lot of people have been like, who even cares about Epstein anymore?
JOE ROGAN: Who’s saying that? Who’s saying that?
KURT METZGER: I could think of three people off.
JOE ROGAN: Top of my head online or in real life.
KURT METZGER: Personal.
JOE ROGAN: Really?
KURT METZGER: Which, like, well. And I was like, well, you know, the people that were part of that are still in power. So that’s why to me, that’s like.
JOE ROGAN: Saying, the new season of Stranger Things is out. I don’t want to watch it.
KURT METZGER: I don’t want to watch it. Stranger Things, those actors, they aged weird.
JOE ROGAN: Well, they separated the seasons by years. There was like big gaps in the seasons. That show is really difficult to make, apparently.
KURT METZGER: I mean, those kids grew into some bizarre looking people.
JOE ROGAN: My point is, like, everybody wants to know what the f* is happening. You’ve been talking nonstop about this for three years. To say who cares about it anymore is crazy. That’s crazy talk.
KURT METZGER: It’s like, well, I think it’s hand me down Sinclair media talk. Because it’s always the same phrase. And I feel like it’s a hypnotic phrase. It’s easy to put in somebody’s head.
JOE ROGAN: Do you see that thing that they did where they showed one of the photographs? It’s Trump with all these women and he took a photo with them, but in the photograph, they blacked out the faces of the women to make it look like. Like perhaps they were underage, like that they were victims instead of just being Trump with some women.
KURT METZGER: Let’s be clear. The idea that Democrats want to get to the bottom of this is, remember, if you brought up Epstein at all, you were a conspiracy theorist for the entire time before Trump got in again. Remember that?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: Why would you. In fact, they said, why would you bring it up? The reason any Democrat would possibly bring it up now, because they know Trump cannot reveal it. Because. Because. So they’re just going to use it to make hay for whatever, you know, I’m sure once when AOC gets in, she’ll get to the bottom of it. I’m sure when fing I’m. What a joke, dude. What a fing.
JOE ROGAN: Know that the Trump administration isn’t getting to the bottom of it.
Cash Patel and the FBI
KURT METZGER: No one is oh, you don’t trust cash no more? He looks so reliable on here. Wow. He talks like a goddamn zoomer. Just so you know, nobody thinks. Weird. That guy lives with a dude. You know, his supposed honey pot girlfriend. They. They’re suing, but she’s suing. Everybody says she’s a IDF honeypot or whatever the f*, who sue people. Yeah, who’s she suing?
That. Shoot, by the way, that should clear up those Jew rumors, am I right? Well, you really put that one to bed, lady. So he lives with a man named Muldoon, a rich donor in Vegas. He got some FBI rule changed so he could live with a guy. That’s why he has to fly out on a private jet, because he don’t live with his hot girlfriend at all.
And if you watch him on Steve Miller’s wife’s podcast, you could tell they look like gay best. Like her gay best friend. That’s what it comes off. The energy, to me. Comes off that way. It don’t come off like a different.
JOE ROGAN: Energy than when he was on here.
KURT METZGER: If that’s your not a spy girlfriend. Okay, you’re telling me you’re going to go live with an old guy in Vegas, you’re going to live an older man. That’s what you’re going to do as the head of the FBI.
JOE ROGAN: Maybe the guy’s cool.
KURT METZGER: I don’t know. I mean, he’s got great stories. I remember someone telling me.
JOE ROGAN: Maybe he’s like Whistler from Blade. Like that old guy you hang out with. Like Blade and Whistler? They weren’t gay to eat.
KURT METZGER: You know what? They were. Now that you brought up Whistler, I realized that was not a natural relationship.
JOE ROGAN: I always wondered why this guy’s living together. Whistler’s making all these f*ing mechanisms for him to go fight the vampires.
KURT METZGER: I’ve been training you since you were.
JOE ROGAN: A boy, literally, in a warehouse.
KURT METZGER: Since I took you from Sentinel Island. I raised you.
JOE ROGAN: Taught you how to kill vampires with wooden knives.
KURT METZGER: Chris Kristofferson is another guy named as an MK Handler.
JOE ROGAN: Really?
KURT METZGER: I don’t know if he is. I’m just saying, people, you can find out all this shit very easy. It’s literally like, is somebody going to look or not?
JOE ROGAN: I literally never thought about that plot twist.
KURT METZGER: Well, now it’s all I can see because of the amount. The sheer amount of unresolved insane things that for some reason, you’re not supposed to put them together into a bigger picture. You’re supposed to be academic.
JOE ROGAN: What?
The Network of Power and Secrets
KURT METZGER: Okay, so Epstein, Diddy, the Playboy Mansion, the Mark Dutroux case in Belgium, where they all were out in the street over that. Which I didn’t hear about at the time, obviously. Why would we. That island in Wisconsin where they’re taking boys. The Franklin scandal.
You could trace a whole thing where there’s clearly a network. And by the way, the smallest part of the network is the child trafficking. Even though that’s obscene. Epstein, Nick Bryant, you got to get him on. Because he’s the first guy to get Epstein’s black book. Okay? And we had him on Jimmy’s show.
You know, probably all the five eyes countries, intel money goes through. Epstein was in charge of that. The finance thing is so much bigger. Bigger. Okay, you got to think like a piece of sh dynoid. So these are all resources, right? Gold, drugs, kids, human slaves. And so that’s, they will never do disclosure.
Let me put it this way. We’re aliens. These are not separate topics. They’re all part of one thing. And they’re never ever going to disclose sh. Because if they ever do those, the Rizzler, those fat f*s from that, that family that goes to, what are they? What, Walmart and sausage rolls. But Costco family.
If the Costco, listen, if that Costco family finds out what these motherf*ers have been up to for the last, since World War II ended, they will drop their sausage rolls and rip them apart limb from limb like a zombie movie. Because it’s that bad.
So that’s why, oh, I think this year they’re going to have a hearing in a skiff and we’re going to find out what the, wow, that really paid off, huh? Huh? Let’s go talk to some fing, you know, French Illuminati motherfer. Or the ultra dimensional. They just string you along with bullsh like a JJ Abrams movie or Fell or show Lost. They do lost Mystery box.
The UFO Rebranding Strategy
JOE ROGAN: So what do you think the whole UFO thing is then? Because it’s for sure.
KURT METZGER: I, because the names change so often from UFO to UAP.
JOE ROGAN: Well, not so often. It’s only a couple of times.
KURT METZGER: I’ve done it every time. So UFOs don’t exist, right? Even though it just means something unidentified. But it doesn’t exist. It’s swamp gas. Then they go, no, they do exist, but we don’t know what they are. And then they change to the brand change. Like Diddy. Those people get smushed at his f*ing show. Now his name is Puffy. You understand?
JOE ROGAN: Got it.
KURT METZGER: Like a shty airline with a.
JOE ROGAN: Like a Frontier or something.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, Frontier, some bigger airline buys a shty airline. So they’re substandard planes they can still use. Then when something bad happens, they just cut that, cut that off and they got the maximum value, okay? It’s just one scam that these f*ers do over and over again.
And yeah, it is for money, but at the top levels, do. Money is secrets of the real currency at the top tippy top levels.
JOE ROGAN: Right, but what do you, so what do you think it is? What do you think is going on?
Two Races of Humans: Psychopaths and Everyone Else
KURT METZGER: I think a f*ing cult of basically there’s like two races of humans on the earth and it’s not based on skin color or any sh, is based on psychopathy. Okay? And there’s people that can pull the trigger, people that can’t. And there’s people got to be trained and conditioned to do it and people that don’t have to be and all that royalty.
Don’t know why we still have that in the world at all. I don’t know why anybody thinks that’s, you know, the commies are bad. Why are there kings at all? Anyone? Anyone? Why do you like that sh? It’s crazy. It’s inbred people that are so fing inbred. That’s probably why they look like fing reptiles if you. That’s why their heads aren’t sh shaped, right?
And they think they’re the great. They think that they come from a different lineage than you. And so there’s all kinds of stupid cults all over the place that have these like, you know, everybody can, can pin it on the Jews, like. And like, oh, they think they’re chosen. But that’s all the cults, man, that’s all of them think they’re the chosen ones. The Mormons think it.
JOE ROGAN: Yep.
KURT METZGER: The Jehovah’s thought it.
JOE ROGAN: Catholics.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Well, why would you be in it if you’re not the one who’s right. So I don’t even hold that against nobody. But where, you know, you’re dealing with f*ing lizard people. I’m metaphorically. But maybe real is the obsession with their bloodline and they’ve got a divine right to do this or that.
When you hear people talking about their divine right to f*ing kill you or do whatever, there’s your problem is not, you know, you hear about bloodlines, it sounds. So it’s just royalty. And you don’t get to know by the way, who like the real powers are. We’re like a Raj state, like India, the world, I mean, you know what I mean?
JOE ROGAN: Right, right, right. So if that’s the case and we both agree that’s the case. So what is the UAP thing?
Plasma Physics: The Hidden Fourth State of Matter
KURT METZGER: Probably a bunch of different stuff. There’s probably drones. There’s probably just orbs. That plasma physics, by the way, I would tell everybody, read Joseph B. Farrell, because that’s, the guy’s got some of the best work on that.
Plasma, the fourth state of matter that in school they didn’t teach us about for some reason. There’s gas, liquid, solid. Right, the three states. No, there’s four, and the fourth one is plasma, which I would describe imperfectly as like, if you heat up gas till it’s like the steam of steam or something. Plasma, the fourth state of matter. That’s what everything has to do with.
JOE ROGAN: And that isn’t like 90 something percent of the universe.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. And by the way, there’s cold plasma and hot plasma. You could make an AI look up.
JOE ROGAN: What percentage of the universe consists of plasma.
KURT METZGER: So why would I not learn that in school when I learned the other things? Because they didn’t want you looking into it. They classified an area of physics for 80 years. For sure that’s what the Nazis were doing with their stupid bell was plasma sh and plasma. Plasma, that’s the thing. Plasma. Lex Friedman’s dad is a plasma physicist. I was trying to ask him about it when I got interrupted by the.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. Plasma makes up about 99% or more of the visible ordinary matter in the universe. Whoa.
KURT METZGER: Mm.
JOE ROGAN: So nearly all this stuff that is not dark matter or dark energy is in a plasma state.
KURT METZGER: Mm.
JOE ROGAN: Wow.
KURT METZGER: So you could make a, you make a really cool AI with plasma if you knew how to manipulate it. Right.
JOE ROGAN: That is a crazy statement.
KURT METZGER: I’ll bet some fing freak in an underground base knows how to upload their consciousness into some fing shty plasma thing.
JOE ROGAN: You think so?
KURT METZGER: Yeah. That’s what Lucifer, I think, is a plasma ball of inverted souls, which they’re going to tell you is Jesus. And it’s not, by the way, anybody telling you that a man made AI Jesus is a Jesus. I mean, that’s a Luciferian. That’s how you spot them.
AI Gods and Digital Life
JOE ROGAN: So, you know, then I’m a Luciferian because I’ve been telling people that.
KURT METZGER: Well, you hang out with tech people and you’re probably beaming your head.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, it’s just a silly idea that I had. The silly idea is that AI is going to make better versions of AI and if it just keeps doing that, ultimately it’s going to be like, gosh.
KURT METZGER: That means it’s already happened and it probably is there. And that’s where you.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t think it’s happened because I don’t think they have the power source for it yet. But I think once they figure that out, they.
KURT METZGER: Well, I don’t think they can make an AI come to life. But here’s one thing. Well, but I don’t think they have yet. They’re faking it with Indians in a room half the time. Okay. I don’t know if, you know, the scale level of scam here is glorified bots, but what you could do.
Here’s something you could do. You could take octopus. You know, an octopus’s brain is spread out. There’s a lot of, you know, like that butterfly that they grow brain tissue on a chip and it thinks it’s a butterfly. You’ve seen that?
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
KURT METZGER: So that right there, that’s how they do it. But it can’t create life from nothing. That’s the thing that they can’t do.
JOE ROGAN: Not, not life from nothing. But the idea is it creates a digital artificial life, and that this digital artificial life, it just keeps improving upon it. It doesn’t even have to have a physical form. It just has to be capable of doing it. Things of automation, I mean, if it’s one gigantic computer and like uses automation and uses machines to create better versions, uses them to design better construction methods, better metallurgy.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, yeah, I heard this, and you heard them talk about it. They don’t say it’s going to be good. They know it’s going to say it’s.
JOE ROGAN: Going to be good either. But what I’m saying is, in a sense that if that keeps going, it’s almost like a God if it just keeps getting more and more powerful.
KURT METZGER: They say that literally it’s going to be like a God, but I’m just saying that wouldn’t be Jesus. That would be crazy.
JOE ROGAN: Well, whatever Jesus was, I’m sure Jesus isn’t a guy.
The Christ Secretion and Biblical Canon
KURT METZGER: I don’t. When people, are you a Jim Carrey guy where he’s like the Christ secretion?
JOE ROGAN: What’s that?
KURT METZGER: You ever seen Jim Carrey blather about the Christ secretion on Norm MacDonald?
JOE ROGAN: What?
KURT METZGER: Adam Egan forgot about this.
JOE ROGAN: What was he saying?
KURT METZGER: He’s explaining how what Christ really is is a secretion from your, dude, it’s Rosicrucian horsesh. Okay? They all about alchemy. People are in alchemy.
JOE ROGAN: There’s a tremendous amount of support for the idea that it was a real person. So the question is how much of what he said and what he did, which was all relayed after his death. How much of that was accurate and what was.
KURT METZGER: He’s the main point of Jesus. And I wouldn’t say because I have a strong feeling that the Bible has a lot of Epstein redactions. You know, I feel like we only have parts of the, it’s, you should think of the Bible as a library, not as a book. That’s what Bible means. It means a library. So it’s a bunch of books. The whole point of the books.
JOE ROGAN: Not even that. Some of those books were banned, just like the library.
KURT METZGER: They weren’t banned.
JOE ROGAN: The Book of Enoch was.
KURT METZGER: It wasn’t banned. It just wasn’t put in the canon.
JOE ROGAN: Wasn’t put in the canon. So it initially was.
KURT METZGER: Right, so. But why did they make the canon. They made the whole point of that library.
JOE ROGAN: What rabbis.
KURT METZGER: The reason that that’s how the Book.
JOE ROGAN: Of Enoch got removed. It was the decision of a few rabbis. Well, all I know is align with the Torah.
KURT METZGER: Why would the Catholic, you’re telling me.
JOE ROGAN: The Christian way back in the day, like before all that. This is in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It exists, and then when it gets to the Old Testament, it doesn’t exist anymore. And the references in the Old Testament, there’s like a reference to Enoch in Jude.
KURT METZGER: There is Ezekiel.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, so. But it was a part of their canon, the Ethiopian Bible, it still exists.
KURT METZGER: Right. Theirs is a little bit wilder, but.
JOE ROGAN: They got the old one.
KURT METZGER: Look, the bottom line is the whole purpose of the library, we’ll call it. So you understand it’s a bunch of books, is to just show the lineage of Jesus, to justify Jesus being the Messiah. That’s the whole point of what? The book. So all the stories in there, if they’re weird or whatever, the only reason they’re in there is to show you a line. I’m not saying that’s true or not. I’m just saying that’s what the point of it is.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, that’s maybe the New Testament you’re talking about then.
KURT METZGER: No, the whole thing is Jes. It’s a lot like the Dune series. It’s about the Quetzatz Haderhead. Okay. And so now you’ll hear a lot of people tell you, like, Caesar’s Messiah kind of sh. In fact, I don’t. You’ve never talked to the Coen brothers, have you?
JOE ROGAN: No. I love those guys, though.
The Coen Brothers and Hidden Messages
KURT METZGER: So Hail Caesar. I like that movie a lot. I didn’t like when I first saw it.
JOE ROGAN: Which one’s Hail Caesar?
KURT METZGER: The one with Clooney as the Roman. It’s about the guy who plays Thanos plays a studio fixer named Mike Mannix.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, that’s like one of the rare ones that I never saw.
KURT METZGER: Okay, so 2016 critics didn’t like it because they were like, first of all, this Mannix guy was a piece of s* in real life. At the end, he goes to work for Lockheed in the movie, by the way, or he decides not to still work for the movies. And it makes it kind of idealized and people are like, offended.
But I think if I could ask them, I think that the movie’s not about that. What it’s actually about is Caesar’s Messiah, which is the idea that Caesar invented the whole idea of Jesus. And I think they’re telling that story through this 50s story just from watching it, because there’s a whole part where Joseph the notary, played by Jonah Hill and Scarjo’s pregnant by some director and he says he’s the dad on a stamp. I think they’re trying to tell that story.
Now, I don’t believe the Caesar’s Messiah thing because it’s too much of a… One thing people will tell you is it definitely spread very quickly. Okay? And people that think he’s real or not, Christianity spread pretty quick. I think it’s populism. I think that’s what spread, because Christianity is populism.
And what do rich oligarchs f*ing hate the most? They hate populism. That’s why they like a Lindsey Graham Republican and not a what Trump pretended to be Republican, because they hate… Populism is an insult word that they invented. And what is populism? That’s when all the blacks and whites, everybody stops fighting about horseshit.
Rome and the Appropriation of Christianity
JOE ROGAN: But that’s the case for them. Why did Rome adopt Christianity?
KURT METZGER: Because they had no choice. The Mithra cult, first of all. So the Mithraism, which like Persia had already probably infiltrated by that time. Think of it as the Freemasonry or the Bohemian Grove of its time. That’s Mithraism.
So now I got to fing absorb this populist cause and I have to absorb its energy and disperse it through my kingdom. And they did, like they always do. Any real movement, it will be appropriated by the powers and they will twist it. Because in Christianity, you really can’t be a fing soldier for America. That’s not… That does not align with Christianity at all. Conquest and f*ing…
JOE ROGAN: Right, right, right.
KURT METZGER: You’re not allowed to kill Christians for your country if you’re a Christian. I’m not saying I’m a Christian because I’m not. Sometimes I act like a Christian, but most time I do not. So I would never say that, you know.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
KURT METZGER: But think of the fing crazy people running… That’s why TPUSA is so fed. When I watch it is like, yo, ain’t nobody a Christian in that s. Not one motherfer there is a fing Christian. It’s a collection of intel and socio political s and a money scam. Like all politics. Like all of them. But that’s the Republican one. And it’s real creepy if you watch it.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t.
KURT METZGER: Oh, well, you know, watch.
JOE ROGAN: What do you watch is creepy about it?
KURT METZGER: You don’t watch AmFest. Well, I know when my father…
JOE ROGAN: Any of that s* anymore.
KURT METZGER: So…
JOE ROGAN: My father died wearing off of all of it.
The Charlie Kirk Assassination and AmFest
KURT METZGER: Do you think this is creepy to… Your husband dies, you come out in a sparkly outfit with fireworks shooting off like you’re f*ing Tony Hinchcliffe in a stadium show.
JOE ROGAN: The memes are amazing.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Most people mourning and then her.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Was it… Now’s a good time to bring the spectacle back to rock, I guess. Oh, they set up the tent where he got killed to take selfies in. Does that seem odd to anybody? The tent where Charlie Kirk got killed, it was at AmFest. You could take a selfie in it.
JOE ROGAN: What?
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: What?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, but Candace is a grifter.
JOE ROGAN: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
KURT METZGER: Fing retail. Oh, and this b* sucks too, by the way.
JOE ROGAN: But replica of the booth. Charlie Kirk was a what?
KURT METZGER: I’ve heard it was the real one, but either way, there’s no good explanation for doing that.
JOE ROGAN: Oh my God. They got a “Prove me wrong” booth. No, by the way, set up where Charlie Kirk was assassinated in as a fan photo booth. That is nuts. But it’s also… But it also is a replica of the booth that he used to do his show.
KURT METZGER: That’s one where he got killed.
JOE ROGAN: Right, but it’s also… He did hundreds of shows in that booth other than the one he got killed. And it could be people that want to take a picture of it because they were a fan of his show.
KURT METZGER: Yo, if you look…
JOE ROGAN: It’s crazy.
The Occult and Plasma Entities
KURT METZGER: I hate magical occult s*. Even though for some reason in the course of studying, trying to find out for a joke about the tall white aliens were… That’s how I started out because it sounded so funny to me that there’s like these taller whiter things in charge.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, Nordic.
KURT METZGER: Not Nordics.
JOE ROGAN: Nordics and tall whites.
KURT METZGER: The tall whites are out. But there’s insane overlap. Dude, there’s a crazy overlap between that and wizard bulls*. Okay? Like, probably all wizards.
JOE ROGAN: That’s probably where it came from.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. So you got to get… Well, I’m not saying you specific, but everybody’s got to get over the idea. It’s like the label. The words are just like conceptual prisons. There’s concepts flying around. You imprison them in a word.
JOE ROGAN: Right?
KURT METZGER: And it’s… That’s why you’re not supposed to say the name of God in, you know, because that would impose limits on the infinite. So that’s like, blasphemous, right?
When people see these things and there’s a lot of stories of this. A friend of mine, Nathaniel Gillis, who my fans call Smartshane, he’s…
JOE ROGAN: Had him.
KURT METZGER: On Kirp with Kirp. Ask Smart Shane about that. But how’d he put it to me recently? He goes, a lot of these plasma, they’re like compressed entities. So the sigil is a big important part of it. A crop circle is a sigil or a brand is a sigil. But think of it as like, information being stored on something.
And they’re like these plasma compress… And so because they’re like, in a dimension above you, basically, you got to be groomed with movies and fantasy so that you… When I f*ing look through your head and project myself through it, you can project a form onto me. Do you know what I mean?
It sounds kind of weird, but like, think of the Adam and Eve, their ability to name the animals. That was their job. It sounds kind of hokey, but I think it has to do with something like, you know, quantum theory, where the thing’s not there till you look at it. Or when you do DMT and they go, “look at this.” Because they don’t exist until you look at them and they know it.
So they need to exist and put your attention, your focus. So consciousness. Yeah. These are just stupid plasma blobs, probably a lot of these things, but they could… If I’m in a dimension above you and I could look in your f*ing brain, I can see, okay, this guy has patterns for a religious thing or an alien thing. And I could appear to you as that. Right?
So something with that. I’m not saying that’s the whole thing, but there’s definitely a part of it that’s that.
JOE ROGAN: That makes sense. Hold that thought. Yeah, hold that thought because I have to piss.
KURT METZGER: I do, too.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, good. Perfect. Hold that thought. Okay, where were we at exactly? Things, they appear either as religion or as alien, depending on secular or religious. Okay.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
Plasma Physics and Fusion Energy
JOE ROGAN: We’ll be right back, folks. All right, we’re back. So Jamie, explain this to everybody. These guys run a podcast called From First Principles. I think there’s some physics nerds. Okay. And they’re explaining the relevancy of the professor who was killed. And I think this was recorded before he died. But very interesting, I’ll tell you that things.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: That happens in the 21st century. Quite an amazing story. New note, Lorerio, MIT professor. This is the paper that makes him famous. Okay. Okay. This is the one that has the most citations. He was at PPL at the time, Princeton Plasma Physics Lab. This is the one that puts him on the map of plasma physics because he solves this 50 year old problem.
KURT METZGER: Not bad.
JOE ROGAN: Not bad, not bad, not bad. And he became a professor at MIT, became full professor. And in 2004 he was the director of the plasma Science infusion center at MIT. And that MIT PSFC spun out and created Commonwealth Fusion Systems, which is designing something called SPARC. It is a small fusion reactor.
I mean, this… It looks kind of big, mate, compared to like, compared to fusion reactors. That is small. Okay, that’s… That is quite small. The goal is to be the first device to achieve a Q factor greater than 1. A Q factor is basically net energy gain. Right. Which is how much energy you put in, how much do you get out the ratio of that?
If you have greater than one, then whatever is that greater than one you can use to power a turbine, which creates electricity. Effectively. What they’re trying to do is have these magnets go at 12 Tesla. 12 Tesla is insanely strong.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. Yeah. Several orders of magnitude above the magnetic field of the Earth.
KURT METZGER: Earth.
JOE ROGAN: And what they’re doing is using these magnets to confine the plasma into a donut, spin it around really fast.
KURT METZGER: Yes.
JOE ROGAN: And then… And then have that plasma in that spinning, do the fusion. Yes. So the hydrogen is going to combine to make helium, release a bunch of energy, and then that energy is going to be used to create electricity.
KURT METZGER: We’re going to try to capture.
JOE ROGAN: And the point is you need that 12 Tesla because you need to be able to confine… Confine it.
KURT METZGER: Plasma.
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
KURT METZGER: And that’s… That’s the reason for that scale.
JOE ROGAN: Exactly. And at that scale, all of a sudden Loureiro’s legacy matters. Right. All of the theories that he’s posited at these like high Lundquist numbers. That’s what matters. So any code that you have to contain the plasma needs to rely on his theory. We hope that those around him at…
KURT METZGER: The lab, you know, once grieving has passed, you know, continue to aggressively pursue his vision.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. And the work that he’s already done, because it’s a huge foundation. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s amazing, you know, and it could change the world.
The Nazi Bell Connection
KURT METZGER: Yeah. Fun fact. It was after, by the way, Fun fact. And that’s why Joseph P. Farrell. I can’t recommend him enough. Joseph… Dr. Joseph P. Farrell. The Nazi bell they supposedly found, that’s what that bell supposedly did. It spun plasma in a field like that. So the idea has been around forever. If this guy… I think it’s been great.
JOE ROGAN: How did you hear that? That the Nazi bell was a plasma field?
The Nazi Bell and Plasma Physics
KURT METZGER: Well, okay, so the guy that wrote the book about the Nazi bell. The book came out in the 70s, but. And also I had the. Oh, dude, I fing feel bad. I’m forgetting the guy’s name. He’s from the FBI. He studied the Sonoma Aero Club and the NIMSA, which was another era. This is before the Wright brothers and sht.
Walter Bosnia, ex-FBI guy who did a lot of great work studying this sh*t about these arrow clubs. Remember the airship mysteries of the 1800s? Okay, so there’s one where the thing lands and the guy says, “Yeah, man, back east is financing this.” And it’s JP Morgan is who the guy was talking about.
And so later, the Wright brothers. The Wright brothers weren’t the first people to fly. I highly doubt they were, really. You got to look up NIMSA. Walter Bosley. Great work. Joseph P. Farrell. Great fing work. And Bosley was on my show. I haven’t gotten Farrell on, but I want to. And then Dark Journalist dude is how I discovered. Well, I learned to. Joseph B. Farrell before that. But Dark Journalist Channel, that guy does killer work. I don’t know. I look a lot of good sht, dude. But plasma physics, the bottom line. Plasma’s been a thing.
JOE ROGAN: Nazi bell, yeah.
KURT METZGER: There was supposedly a rotating plasma.
JOE ROGAN: Right. So who wrote about that?
KURT METZGER: The initial book about the bell, I can’t remember, but Joe Farrell wrote a bunch of books about it.
JOE ROGAN: And what did I.
KURT METZGER: The demon in the ichor, or ichor, it’s called. That’s the book you should get about.
JOE ROGAN: What was the science? What were they trying to do and what were they using?
KURT METZGER: Because if you can rotate a plasma.
JOE ROGAN: How did the Nazis get plasma into this bell? What are they doing?
KURT METZGER: It sounded very much like what they were talking about.
JOE ROGAN: Right, but we’re talking about 1944.
KURT METZGER: 1944? Yeah. You need an electrical field. I forget, 12 Tesla or whatever he said. I don’t really know what any of those measurements mean, but you just need the field to contain it. And then you rotate it. You get something called torsion physics, which.
JOE ROGAN: So the bell is to contain the plasma. What is the conventional description for that Nazi bell thing? What do they think it is? I don’t. What do you mean?
KURT METZGER: They said it didn’t work or something, I think. Oh, you had Jay from Project Unity on talking about it.
JOE ROGAN: Did he talk about the Nazi Bill?
KURT METZGER: He talked about some good sh*t, dude. Because he saw orbs.
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
KURT METZGER: My girl had an orb over her. She casually tells me this story. I know. I accuse her of cheating. I go, “What, do you love that word? Did you f* that orb?” I just get jealous.
The Kecksburg Incident
JOE ROGAN: What is the conventional explanation for the Nazi bell? Why it’s even known? I don’t know. Is it real?
KURT METZGER: And supposedly the Kecksburg acorn, which is the UFO that landed in Pennsylvania.
JOE ROGAN: Which one’s that?
KURT METZGER: If you look up Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, acorn, there’s this thing that appeared in the 70s that supposedly is the Nazi bell that had traveled through time. Yeah. Now I. That’s. That’s kind of far out, but that’s what. Yeah. You never heard of this?
JOE ROGAN: No. Either. What is that? I will say this. I also saw this on the Internet. That looks like a clay pottery.
KURT METZGER: There’s the. Right.
JOE ROGAN: This looks fake as sh*t.
KURT METZGER: Well, yeah, it’s probably fake, but they.
JOE ROGAN: Say it’s a picture of the bell.
KURT METZGER: I write. Yeah, that was the. Oh, that’s Kecksburg. A port.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, I want that to be real so bad. It looks fake. It looks so fake. Well, you know, it looks like a kid made it.
KURT METZGER: Dude, imagine Star Trek, okay? Imagine they’re on their five year mission, but nobody on Earth knows Star Trek is a thing. That’s what’s probably happening. Zoom in on that.
JOE ROGAN: Zoom in on that again. The bell. Look how crazy. The same writing on it. God, I want that to be real. But I also just noticed this. The corner of the picture, I think it says Kecksburg on it. Oh, Kek the frog.
KURT METZGER: Wait, that’s supposed to be a photo.
JOE ROGAN: They’re with you?
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: So this is a. Says it’s a photo. The photo has a caption here. Says, right, Pat. It’s handwritten. Yeah. Look at the photo again. I mean, it’s a photo, right? The photo looks fake.
KURT METZGER: It does, doesn’t it?
JOE ROGAN: And printed. It looks really fake.
KURT METZGER: I mean, it looks extremely fake.
JOE ROGAN: It looks very fake. But, God, I want it to be real so bad. I’m trying to find a way that it’s real.
The Brown University Shooting Connection
KURT METZGER: Well, they just executed a guy who f*ing was making breakthroughs in plasma that supposedly already happened in Germany.
JOE ROGAN: Not only that, he’s the same guy that went to Brown University, supposedly executed someone there, too.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, it is. I thought it wasn’t.
JOE ROGAN: I think they thought it was the same guy and then he killed himself. Yeah, well, find that. Search that. Because I think that is the case. I think that is what. At least that’s what they’re saying.
KURT METZGER: What the purpose of MK was, right? It was to make spies sex people. That could change. I’m gay or I’m straight, depending on what you need to get the info. I can kill you. I could f*ing do it and not remember it. That was the whole point of the Manchurian Candidate Program, which we started doing because supposedly the Asians were doing it, the commies. But no, it’s an old art that comes from a long time ago, going back to Egypt.
JOE ROGAN: Really?
KURT METZGER: Oh, yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Egyptians did it.
KURT METZGER: Oh, dude. Windows on the World, another great mark. Windows I had on Derwent Curb. And that guy is great because he really. Here’s a video called Egyptian Crowd Control, and he explains a society based on OCD.
JOE ROGAN: Brown shooting suspect. Grueling academic climate may have taken mental toll, says ex-classmate.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, Claudio Valente.
JOE ROGAN: And one of the victims was. He bullied FG Lorio. Both studied at notoriously challenging Technico de Lisbon.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, we just watched the video about.
JOE ROGAN: So the guy that we just watched the video about is him and that guy. Both were at the same university. So he killed that guy. They are saying he killed that guy. Right. So he killed both that guy and the person.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. How many weird shootings are we up to now where there’s all these weird details and we should shut up about it?
JOE ROGAN: That is a weird one.
KURT METZGER: The guy that shot Trump’s ear, remember that one? I guess we should forget about it.
JOE ROGAN: They both graduated in 2000. Contemporaries of the two men described the academic environment as emotionally grueling. Only one was willing to go on the record, but several others expressed similar opinions. He was described as brilliant and competitive, but willing to help his colleagues out. He finished top of his class with an average grade of 19 out of 20. Unusually high score for Technico Lorio, who is said to be an excellent student, but more easygoing than Valente finished with an average grade of 16 out of 20. Which one’s Lorio died? The MIT professor. Wow. So he was the less good student. So this guy was probably pissed at the less good student. That’s why he whacked him.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, no, I’m sure that’s why not. Not anything to do with plasma physics.
JOE ROGAN: “Having known Claudio and having had a good relationship with him, we can’t find any other explanation than a serious mental health problem exacerbated by resentment for not having achieved the academic career he dreamed of.”
KURT METZGER: Look at my jerk off motions I’m making while you say that.
JOE ROGAN: You don’t believe it?
KURT METZGER: No.
JOE ROGAN: You think it’s MK Ultra?
Recent Suspicious Events
KURT METZGER: Hey, what happened to the guy that blew his Tesla truck up? And then they said he was mad because the kid wasn’t his and it happened to that guy, I don’t know.
JOE ROGAN: Went away quick.
KURT METZGER: Remember Sean Ryan had the goods and we never heard about it again.
JOE ROGAN: Didn’t Sean Ryan get a letter from the guy or something?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, a letter of nonsense. And then he said he had some kind and we just never spoke about it again.
JOE ROGAN: Up with that small the Minnesota conspiracy. Because some remember there was a guy that killed someone that voted in the.
KURT METZGER: Yes, that’s right. You’re right about that.
JOE ROGAN: He had a letter. I just was reading.
KURT METZGER: Oh my God, it’s f*ing. You know what I saw when we were looking at that?
JOE ROGAN: The Minnesota one is nuts. Because the lady that was whacked was the one lady that didn’t vote for health care.
KURT METZGER: That’s right.
JOE ROGAN: For the illegal. Yeah, yeah. And she was. You ever see the speech that she gave? How terrified she was?
KURT METZGER: Yes.
JOE ROGAN: When she gave the speech, literally her voice was cracking. “I know some are going to be harmed by this.”
Charlie Kirk and Political Pressure
KURT METZGER: It reminded me of Charlie Kirk’s final text messages about how they think they’re. Yo, the things that we covered this on Jimmy’s show for three weeks before he died. They were all piling on him that he’s an anti-Semite because he had Dave Smith on and fing Laura Loomer, that piece of sht. She goes, “Why don’t you admit you’re an anti-Semite?” I don’t think Charlie Kirk was an anti-Semite. He called it ethnic cleansing on Patrick Bet Valheu’s show called what?
JOE ROGAN: Ethnic cleansing.
KURT METZGER: God.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, right.
KURT METZGER: That’s a big no, no. And then his funders were like, “Hey, what if you die? Who’s going to take over?” That’s the first thing they say to you when you come in.
JOE ROGAN: He also said was there a stand down? Was there a stand down order? He talked about that on Patrick Bet.
KURT METZGER: David and guess what? If you watch Israeli news, there was. It’s called the Hannibal Direct.
JOE ROGAN: Go back to that. Jamie, what were you pulling up? Were you showing us? This is. It’s typed out here obviously, but it says this is the handwritten original.
KURT METZGER: Oh, Lance Bolter. This maniac.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, trained. He said Tim Waltz wanted this done.
KURT METZGER: That’s right. Well, he says.
JOE ROGAN: “Dear Cash Patel, My name is Dr. Vance Luther Boltler Bolter. Ed.” What is that? Ed D. Was that. I think an education degree.
KURT METZGER: Okay, don’t bother.
JOE ROGAN: “I am the shooter at large in Minnesota involved in the.” It says something. Shoe two shootings.
KURT METZGER: Look at that. “I was trained by military people off the book starting in college.” That’s a very common thing.
The Letter to Kash Patel
JOE ROGAN: I have been on projects since that time in Eastern Europe, North America, Middle East and Africa, all in the line of doing what I thought was right in the best interest of the United States. Recently I was approached about a project that Tim Walz wanted done and I… blank, blank, blank. And Keith blank blank also aware of the project.
Tim wanted me to kill Amy Klobuchar and Tina blank. Tim wants to be a senator and doesn’t trust blank to retire as planned and thinks she is going to stay on at the last minute. With Amy blank gone, Tim would get one of the Senate seats and blank wants to be governor and Keith Ellison, spelling incorrect, would be rewarded with a lieutenant governor’s position.
I told Tim I wanted nothing to do with it and if he didn’t call off that plan, I would go public. He said he would call it, hurt my… he would call it, hurt my family if I did, play ball. Then he set up a meeting with me and Mel blank and blank to talk about options when I… they had some people waiting to kill me. And when I did, I guess I was able to get away by God’s mercy.
So I went back a short time later and shot both at both blank and blank. You should notice how I didn’t fire one round at any police officers. And boy, did I have plenty of opportunity. As for the report on how many weapons and ammunition I had with me, cops were pulling up right next to me in their vehicles and I had an AK pistol aimed right at her head. And I could have left a pile of cops dead, but I did shoot one bullet towards law enforcement. You can ask, I think he says I did not. Yeah, you can ask them because I support the police and didn’t want them hurt. They’re hurting my wife and kids. Next time I won’t give them a pass.
Then ask Tim Walz if he knows me and see what he says. If he says he doesn’t know me or never met me, look in the files and you will see that Tim Walz personally appointed me to be on his governor’s workforce board as one of the business representatives. He’s probably trying to destroy that info, but it’s public record.
Then asked Tim Walz why they kept the shots silent from the media when they first happened. Not a word in the press about it. Why? They needed to get their stories figured out first so everyone was on the same page about, in quotes, “what happened.” Tim is probably crapping bricks right now because I’m still at large and he knows what I can do and that I know about where all the buried skeletons are. So I’ll be shot on sight. You can bet on that. I will be shot on sight.
First of all, is this a legitimate letter that was sent to Kash Patel? Did this actually get sent? Is this true?
KURT METZGER: Looks like it.
JOE ROGAN: But what do we know about this? This is from… this is not misinformation. Talk to the mic. I’m… yeah, no, yeah, this is the actual letter. This crazy guy sent it to the FBI. Whether or not it’s real, you know, does it… right. So here’s the next question. Did this guy actually work for the governor’s office? Did he actually work for Tim Walz?
KURT METZGER: Well, that…
JOE ROGAN: This is all the suspect details, what he did. Yeah, that’s… he’s claiming it’s like secret. That’s kind of… what is he claiming? It’s secret. So…
KURT METZGER: Well, he said something you could check. But by the way, this is a drop in the bucket of this.
JOE ROGAN: I understand, but I want to know if he’s completely crazy, if he never really worked with him, if he just made all this s up. Right? Because that is possible. The guy’s out of his fing mind. He shows up at someone’s house with a mask on, he’s clearly out of his f*ing mind, right?
KURT METZGER: I mean, you’d be surprised what out of people, out of your mind people were.
JOE ROGAN: That’s true. That’s true. But I mean, I mean open mind, right? The guy might have just been out of his fing mind and never met Tim Walz. This… it could be total bulls.
KURT METZGER: I doubt it very much.
The Minnesota Shooting Investigation
JOE ROGAN: I don’t know. Said the attack appears to be politically motivated assassination. This is what Tim Walz said. State officials and authorities early on Saturday encountered what appeared to be a police vehicle with emergency lights flashing in a driveway. Representative Melissa Hortman’s house. Officers at the home saw Boltler, dressed as a police officer, shoot an adult man through the open front door, according to a criminal complaint obtained by the Minnesota Star Tribune.
Suspect exchanged gunfire with police and ran into the house. So he did exchange gunfire, according to this. Ultimately disappearing from the area, according to the complaint. We don’t know if that’s true. Hortman, the top Democrat in the Minnesota house, and her husband were both killed at a nearby home. State Senator John Huffman and his wife were also shot, but are in stable condition after surgery.
And that lady who got killed was the one lady who voted against it. And that… I sent you that, right, Jamie?
KURT METZGER: A long time ago. You sent me that.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that one’s kind of crazy.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. No Vance Bolton. Real weird.
JOE ROGAN: You see her talking about it?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, she looks a little bit upset.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, she looks super shaken up that she made that vote. And, you know, she looked, like, legitimately nervous.
KURT METZGER: Have you ever seen the guy from Utah? His last name’s… I want to say Ron… Leavitt. His last name is Leavitt. And he’s the DA that called the press conference to announce that he’s not a satanic cannibal to get ahead of… and by the way, no one was accusing him of that. So people took it real weird. They were like, why would you f*ing come out and say something like that?
Political Assassinations and Programming
JOE ROGAN: Tell me this. Why do some people not want to even consider the idea that someone was assassinated at the behest of powerful people?
KURT METZGER: Because they’re programmed not to. That’s why it’s called programming. And it works. It’s worked the whole time.
JOE ROGAN: They’re programmed to think there’s just one sick individual who commits these crimes and has nothing to do with powerful people.
KURT METZGER: How did Jerry Sandusky get away with it? How did they… look, think of the classic Spotlight. Because Barry Crimmins a good friend of mine. I remember Barry fing… I remember asking about s. He goes, like, I wouldn’t throw my… you know, I do real work with people, so if I just get behind a thing, I could cost my credibility because I have to, like, really help, actually.
We went on tour and he… every town dude. I met people that he helped navigate the f*ed up legal system that sucks a, okay? It was like knowing the Equalizer from that show, The Equalizer. But there’s also a side of Barry that was four years old forever, okay? Because of what happened. That’s what happens in trauma. A part of you freezes at that age, and especially at 4, that’s like a split. You split. And that’s a real thing.
They said it was debunked for quite some time, but I met some people with Barry and he had helped these girls. I can’t remember where we were. I want to say it was Pennsylvania, but I might be wrong. But they… their dad was the mayor and they had repressed memories, they told me. And he helped them with all their legal s* and I think they got some kind of justice, but I thought that was debunked.
Epigenetics, it’s called now, by the way. It’s a legitimate thing. Generational trauma around 2020, whenever BLM happened. If you look in 2011, that’s made up. There’s no such thing. But all of a sudden, around BLM times, generational trauma is real. It’s called epigenetics. The reason it’s called Project Monarch is because the monarch, the butterflies, can genetically transfer information, like learned information, you know.
And you’ll see all that butterfly. King Charles has that butterfly on his shoulder and his weird meat picture, right? He’s got a little monarch on his shoulder.
JOE ROGAN: That’s what that’s about?
KURT METZGER: Well, I think so. I mean, you don’t got to take my word for it. Consult your local library. Anyway, I got… I just finally got this in the mail, but I got you one.
JOE ROGAN: What is it?
Project Monarch and Mind Control
KURT METZGER: Mormon Monarch Jr. Sweet. And he explains a lot of s about the Mormons and the program he was in. And I fing can’t… yo, we put this way, if you ever wonder what was inside of Mount Shasta, it ain’t the Lemurians, put it that way.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t know what you just said.
KURT METZGER: You know about Mount Shasta?
JOE ROGAN: S*, I have no idea. What… you just went on the most off tangent. Different. If I had… if you just drag me into the woods with that conversation, I would never get home.
KURT METZGER: Okay, Monarch is the MK Ultra continuation. We know how to… it got disclosed.
JOE ROGAN: What does that have to do with this?
KURT METZGER: This guy was stuck in the Lemurians. Well, Mount Shasta was… we have a base in Mount Shasta. As you know, he has a whole chapter in there about going inside Mount…
JOE ROGAN: I didn’t know that. We have a base in Mount Shasta.
KURT METZGER: You haven’t heard of Shasta? Like, just based on pure like UFO s*. And it’s probably…
JOE ROGAN: I maybe have forgot it.
KURT METZGER: The famous story. Well, there’s a story where a kid like, he got his grandmother, they had bites on their neck when they woke up camping. And the kid, he walked off with…
JOE ROGAN: Some, like a vampire bite?
KURT METZGER: They… they thought it was like a spider or something. But this little kid, he thought it was his grandmother. And he said, he goes, I like… I like her, his real grandma, better than the mean grandma that took him. And they made him s* on a sticky paper in a cake. Dude, it’s crazy. I thought you’d already heard this story from the guest.
JOE ROGAN: This is what he always does. He tells you something completely insane. He’s like, oh, you don’t know. You don’t know.
KURT METZGER: I learned who showed off your show alive. Like s*ting on him. Probably thought he heard here.
JOE ROGAN: You might have. So she… he had to s* on something.
KURT METZGER: A piece of paper sample.
JOE ROGAN: Yes, a poop sample.
KURT METZGER: It’s a famous Shasta. Shasta has so much. There’s a lot of cults around Shasta.
JOE ROGAN: Really?
KURT METZGER: Oh, yeah. It goes back. The history of it goes back a long way.
JOE ROGAN: And why do you think that is? You think they’re doing, like, mental experiments in the town, on the town?
KURT METZGER: Something is there in the mountain already. I don’t know exactly what it is, but something bad is already there.
UAPs and Interdimensional Beings
JOE ROGAN: Like a UFO base. Do you think any of the UAP s* is actual aliens?
KURT METZGER: Dude, I don’t f*ing know, because…
JOE ROGAN: Or actual interdimensional creatures.
KURT METZGER: So let’s be the most conservative and say there was never a mass mind control thing, and only a few rogue psychologists planted false memories in some people’s heads, right? That’s what they say, right? Some bad psychologists planted fake memories of abuse in their heads.
Now, you’ve already told me if you’re saying that as the normal explanation, so it’s possible to do that. So you’re telling me I could, if I was a sty psychiatrist and I had new hypnosis, right, I could make you think you went on a fing secret mission to Mars and you would feel like it’s real. And I could say you were satanically abused and you would have those memories as if it really happened.
So if that power is real, what are the odds that it was just a few psychologists or the United States f*ing government? Because I’m going to bet on the government. So there’s no telling, dude, because if…
JOE ROGAN: Those two ideas aren’t mutually exclusive. Like, just because the government can put, like, satanic cult ideas into your head, it doesn’t mean that you haven’t had an experience with some sort of interdimensional or extraterrestrial.
KURT METZGER: Good point.
JOE ROGAN: And that erased your memory.
KURT METZGER: You don’t got to tell me and my dolphin wife.
JOE ROGAN: The problem is that hypnotic regression is like, you are open to suggestion and you have to kind of listen to what these people are saying. The weird stuff. The weird stuff is the people that didn’t have hypnotic regression that have the same stories as the people with hypnotic regression from a long a time ago.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, dude.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. A lot of weird ones.
The Twilight Language and NLP
KURT METZGER: What about… Okay, I got a great book by Michael Hoffman called “The Twilight Language.” The Twilight Language is in Buddhism and it kind of refers to a coded language, but it’s NLP. What is NLP? I want to talk into your subconscious.
So when you see a pickup artist… So I dipshit Andrew Tate, he had a nerd pickup artist that was like his court wizard. The guy called himself Iggy Semmelweis. That’s not his real name. He’s some dork that would wear like Chinese shirts and a fedora. Yeah, yeah.
And so Andrew Tate was a reality guy and it wasn’t taken off. Then he gets this f*ing hypnotist who used to be in the Rajneesh cult from “Wild Wild Country.” Have you ever saw that?
JOE ROGAN: Oh, I love that show.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, they left out the stuff done to kids, by the way, in that cult, strangely.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, they left that out. In the documentary, they imply people are…
KURT METZGER: Just f*ing in the streets and whatever this town was, huh? They had kids. And if people are that loose with their sexuality in a hippie way there, what do you think happened with kids? Real bad stuff. And you can find those kids talking about it.
Why it was left out, my guess is, is some liberal shit about, oh, this might support a QAnon, right? Remember when you had f*ing rosacea? Fake.
JOE ROGAN: But hold on. The whole thing is so negative anyway.
KURT METZGER: But we still have to keep you from believing that your leaders would do things like you’ve heard of Aztecs doing. Your white leaders would not do Aztec shit. That’s just what cartels do. And Africans.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but in the documentary they talk about how they poison the entire town.
KURT METZGER: It’s still not as bad as wholesale trafficking of children.
JOE ROGAN: So you think that was a part of that whole cult was wholesale trafficking?
KURT METZGER: I believe 100% that was a part of it. Because if you got a sec, a weirdo cult like that with little kids, right? Guess who gets attracted to that?
JOE ROGAN: I know, I understand. But why would they ever leave something like that out of a documentary?
Media Manipulation and Authority
KURT METZGER: That’s amazing. Because the same reason Flint Dibble can’t handle the idea that there was a civilization before, it might lead to… Not again. Rosacea. Like a little creep Flint Dibble. Do you understand how these people are?
They think that you’re not, but you might get the wrong idea and distrust authority if you think so. Because they don’t want to start a satanic panic. Panic, right. They will purposely deny shit like good liberals do. By the way, the conservative… If you’re like, who cares about Epstein? What are you talking about, dude? Why would you say something like that?
JOE ROGAN: Right?
KURT METZGER: And people that I like say have said it to me.
JOE ROGAN: They’re not thinking.
KURT METZGER: No, they’re…
JOE ROGAN: They’re just saying it.
KURT METZGER: But I’ve heard so much. It’s like hypnosis.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, you think that’s what it is?
KURT METZGER: Dude, that’s what TV… That’s a scrying device. That thing. You got a North Korean pocket doing good lately?
JOE ROGAN: I’m not. Pay attention.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, well, listen, if you… If you… I have to, because I don’t have a bunch of money, so I got to pay attention.
JOE ROGAN: Listen, I get it. I’ve been there. It’s just like… I think you find out enough from your friends.
KURT METZGER: You remember the thing you sent me?
JOE ROGAN: Which one?
The Collins Couple and Genetic Differences
KURT METZGER: Okay, there’s two things I don’t want to forget. One is when that stupid feminist has said there’s no genetic difference.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, that one’s amazing.
KURT METZGER: Okay, so that couple. Boy, that was a real f*ing rabbit hole, those two.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, I know.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. That’s that trad couple, the Collinses. So first of all, that feminist… If you watch the video, the feminists are saying absolute stupid shit. It’s a little disingenuous. It reminds me of a Ben Shapiro arguing with a stupid college kid. But he won’t argue with somebody who knows anything, right?
It’s clearly they found this dumb b to put her out there. Because you could clear up the misconception in five seconds, sweetie. No, no, I’m not saying somebody’s better or worse. I’m just saying genetically it’s different. Just because you have a different color.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t think they can find someone who’s better. That’s where I think you’re wrong.
KURT METZGER: Find what?
JOE ROGAN: Someone who’s better at being a journalist. That’s where I think you’re wrong. I think so many of those people are like her, where they’re just indoctrinated into this certain way of thinking and talking, and they just wouldn’t even imagine saying there’s genetic differences in the races because it’s so Charles Murray. It’s so problematic. You can get canceled for it. So they’ll just spout out stuff that they haven’t researched at all.
Techno Puritans and Eugenics
KURT METZGER: The bottom line is these two that are doing it, that are trad.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah.
KURT METZGER: They’re not tradition. They’re called Techno Puritans, in their words. Some book they think is divinely inspired is a goddamn eugenicist book from the 1800s.
JOE ROGAN: What is that? What’s the book?
KURT METZGER: Let’s… Let’s get it.
JOE ROGAN: Jamie will find it. Yeah, Jamie’s on it. You can put your phone.
KURT METZGER: Nice. So… So fing… I look up the guy who tweeted it. Catholic Z1 or whatever. For some reason, not to me, but my girlfriend, that guy’s not Catholic. I don’t know what the f he is. I think they gin that up to promote this gold of a video of an idiot they’re talking to.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
KURT METZGER: The girl used to run something called… She used to manage dialogue, which is called the Bilderberg of Tech for Peter Thiel. The dude is a Collins. I don’t know if you know the history of the Collins family, but he’s got to be that one, because that’s a real important bloodline.
JOE ROGAN: Well, let’s find out if he is, otherwise we’re going to get in trouble with him.
KURT METZGER: All right? I mean, Techno puritan sounds a little New England to me.
JOE ROGAN: It does, but I mean, you’re accusing him of being a part of a notorious family. That might not be true.
KURT METZGER: I mean… Okay, well, I think it’s likely, because why would you be hooked in with a secret invite only Bilderberg of Tech Group unless you were the secret of all these secret societies?
JOE ROGAN: They’re billionaires, are they?
KURT METZGER: Yo, Duncan.
JOE ROGAN: Tech people, dude.
KURT METZGER: Duncan doesn’t understand this.
JOE ROGAN: Are they rich at all, do you know?
KURT METZGER: Oh, yeah, the guy’s a venture capitalist. You know the people that make everything good, right? You know why the doors fall off the planes? Because of those f*ing people. So he’s… That they’re atheists, but… Oh, do you know what they believe in the future? An AI is God.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, my religion?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, it’s called Luciferianism. I don’t know if you know that.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t really believe that. Folks. Well, get together. I think God was already here.
AI Gods and Time Dimensions
KURT METZGER: Yeah, but I would say it’s likely that it already was. But these maniacs think they’re going to make a God. Okay, right. And I understand what they’re saying. As far as, you know, if, let’s say 10 years in the future, they create that AI that is like that. Dude, that means it has always happened. You can’t think in past or future terms. Okay.
So, you know, they go, are aliens us from the future? Well, maybe they’re us from the past. That doesn’t… You got to think of it as points in space and not nothing with a timeline. Because that’s not really how time works as, you know. Right, right.
So dinosaurs, they lived 150, whatever million years ago. Think of it as just like miles away instead of time. Because that really, if you’re a 5D, you know, they go three spatial. One time dimension. The fourth dimension, if you’re the fifth one, which would be the one above that. That you don’t think about it that way at all. Okay?
So if at some point in the timeline somebody invented that, that it has always happened. Right. You understand? So then a lot of these tech freaks who are like, the things they’re into are so crazy, but they believe shit like Kabbalah and memes and shit are being sent backwards in time.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, the cabal is a weird one. A really smart friend of mine gave me that to read. I was like, okay.
KURT METZGER: Oh, well, it’s a mind control method. All these things, all the symbols, they’re overlays for your f*ing brain. Okay, so you ever watch oh, “Stranger Things” you brought up.
JOE ROGAN: Right?
KURT METZGER: So that’s based on the montage.
JOE ROGAN: Did you know Will’s gay?
KURT METZGER: No.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: I didn’t know any of them weeped. Okay. I didn’t believe any of them the whole time. I thought, I assume anybody under her 30s, gay.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. What does it say? Related through Malk. Related through Malcolm to Dallas’s prominent Colin.
KURT METZGER: That kind of Collins.
JOE ROGAN: The late Jim Collins. Malcolm. You are right. Malcolm’s grandfather Simone, 29, and Malcolm, 30, are intent on acquiring an established company using what’s called the search fund model. I was just trying to get that point about that. Got… They are related. They are related to.
KURT METZGER: So Nick Land. Have you ever heard of Nick Land? They always make… So he’s supposed to supposedly the tech… So get to this.
JOE ROGAN: These people. So when they’re so that conversation with.
KURT METZGER: That lady found an idiot so they could display that and then push a trad lifestyle even though they’re atheists. That a fake Catholic is putting on Twitter and it’s going viral. That’s how you fake these things, right?
JOE ROGAN: Or someone saw the clip and it appears that a young couple is defending a trad lifestyle and they just projected that.
KURT METZGER: That’s all possible too.
JOE ROGAN: Right? Because that’s how a lot of people saw the clip. Without context, without knowing the background of those people. If you were someone who was introduced, you have… But if you were someone like me, I’d never seen them before.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, right.
Pronatalism and Eugenics
JOE ROGAN: And if you were pronated. They’re founders of pronatalist.org, a non-profit initiative aimed at promoting and supporting high birth rates. Collins’s fear that low fertility rates, especially among people they view as high achieving, could lead to a decline in innovation and societal progress as well as the extinction of cultures, economic breakdown and the collapse of civilization.
They are part of a network of self-styled elites that include billionaires Elon Musk, who… Billionaire Elon Musk who publicly expresses concerns about demographic trends leading to population collapse. They’ve been featured in discussions. So what does it say about their wacky belief? Belief about technology? Because that’s on here, right?
KURT METZGER: I think I found it on a.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, go back to that image real quick. That article rather. This is a weird one. The colleges are vocal supporters of using advanced reproductive technologies, including in vitro fertilization and genetic screening to promote higher birth rates and advocate for selecting embryos based on perceived desirable traits such as high IQ. Collins’s views have been criticized as promoting eugenics.
KURT METZGER: Hmm. Which by the way it is. That’s what CRISPR is for, is eugenics. Eugenics came from America, not Nazi Germany. That’s… We were the leaders in it.
JOE ROGAN: America invented it.
KURT METZGER: Back when we were doing the Sig Heil as a flag salute. That’s when eugenics came out.
JOE ROGAN: Right. Isn’t that crazy?
KURT METZGER: Yeah. A socialist came up with it. The Bellamy salute, which was a Sig Heil. We stopped doing it because it was.
JOE ROGAN: We stopped doing it because the Nazis. Yeah, but that’s how they used to pledge of allegiance.
KURT METZGER: They used to do it, arm out religious beliefs. In 2024, the Collins has stated they were atheists, although at the time they were promulgate promulgating a theological worldview they called techno puritanism, which they described as an intentionally constructed religion. Technically atheist. Oh, that sounds great. I’d like some nerds to tell me what God is. Thank you.
JOE ROGAN: Technically atheist.
AI Gods and Techno-Materialism
KURT METZGER: However, by 2025 they stated that the belief that God is a real entity that actually exists at a different point in time is just so core to our worldview. So all of them believe in AI God, which is technically more Aramon than Lucifer. I guess you got to.
JOE ROGAN: What’s Armand?
KURT METZGER: That’s the one from Zoroastrianism and the tech. It’s like heavy materialism. Like there’s nothing but the material which, you know these people that are like that and the people have built a f*ing. It’s gay. I’m not saying that as a slur for lame, I want to make that clear. But it is also lame. It’s both gay and lame.
And so it’s all about breeding and all these weird, from what I can tell, trying to piece together what the big players are in the. Because you know, the deep state and shadow government, it’s not just one team. These are scumbag eugenicists. So everybody’s competing and trying to back bite each other just like in real life. Right?
And so there appears to be like a left hand, just left hand path and right hand path. But that’s all fing Lucifer, fing Kabbalah bullshit. All of it is the same bullshit.
JOE ROGAN: That’s Lucifer Kavala bullshit. That they think that low birth rates are contributing to collapse of civilization.
Population Control and COVID
KURT METZGER: Well, the low birth rate thing is a thing. You know, China any minute now is going to collapse because they don’t have immigrants. Right. China. Oh, and remember, they’re elderly. They’re going to have all these elderly. And what are they going to do with them? Cause there’s not enough young people to take care of them.
JOE ROGAN: Them.
KURT METZGER: Oh, COVID came along. I bet every country was involved in their own soft kill to ease their population. That’s what I think happened because I know the one that hit us wasn’t from Wuhan, it was from Raleigh.
JOE ROGAN: Hold on. So do you think that contributed to the decision to bring COVID positive people back into nursing homes?
KURT METZGER: Oh, in New York when Cuomo did.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: Well, I don’t. That guy’s such a psychopath. Who the f knows? I mean, he probably. Probably. It’s as easy a guess as he doesn’t care or he’s in a generational fing cult. Either one could be. It was. It was foul what they did, dude. And it’s just what always happens and everybody moves along and forgets it. Were you still talking about that move on?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. They brought COVID positive people back into nursing homes.
KURT METZGER: You remember in MIB, the blinky light thing that makes you forget that you saw aliens?
JOE ROGAN: Uh huh.
KURT METZGER: Okay. I have a very bad feeling, Joe, that that is not some kind of exotic technology. I think it may literally just be a blinky light.
JOE ROGAN: Really?
KURT METZGER: I just got to blink some lights in your eyes and say some and that’s all it takes to have a matrix. Don’t need a fancy computer. I can just put you in a house of cards of lies. And I did it with my. I didn’t need no tech to do it. That’s the old ways, right?
And now the tech, the next generation of. By the way, Collins with the family. If you ever saw Johnny Depp, made a remake of it with the. He’s a vampire. Barnabas Collins.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Dark Shadows and Bloodline Families
KURT METZGER: Dark Shadows. Dark shadows, yeah, the seventies one. Yeah, that’s about a real family. They were. Their supposed claim to fame was being the first warlocks or some shit in America with the Puritans.
JOE ROGAN: Those were supposedly Americans. I thought Barnabas Collins.
KURT METZGER: I thought that was a New England he was in. Yeah, but he was in New England. They’re in an old bloodline family. And they came over and they were, you know, all these families.
JOE ROGAN: Shadows. God, I forgot about that show. So that show was supposed to be taking place in New England. That’s where it was supposed to be taking place.
KURT METZGER: Place.
JOE ROGAN: What, the same family?
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: As the other Collins.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, it’s about them.
JOE ROGAN: What?
KURT METZGER: Yo, these are important families, by the way.
JOE ROGAN: Holy. Dude, Are you sure about that? That sounds crazy.
KURT METZGER: I mean, hey, double check me with Jesus AI. But I think I’m right.
JOE ROGAN: We got to double check that.
KURT METZGER: Bloodline. Royalty.
JOE ROGAN: And Dark Shadows was based on that Collins family. That is crazy.
KURT METZGER: I’m fairly sure it was based on the real Collins family because there’s very specific. Barnabas Collins, Reynolds Collins, Kennedy something. By the way, the bootlegger thing. I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think that was their dad at all. I think people are confusing.
JOE ROGAN: Really.
KURT METZGER: I just saw a guy who wrote a whole book about it. There’s another Joe Kennedy.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I read that too. I had read that it was a fact and that they had tried to hide it.
KURT METZGER: I think it’s not true.
JOE ROGAN: And then I’d read that it wasn’t true.
KURT METZGER: But the bottom line is, if you’re so all these.
JOE ROGAN: What certainly was true is their connection with the mob.
KURT METZGER: Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, of course.
JOE ROGAN: No, Barnabas Collins is not based on a real person. The fictional vampire character created for the gothic soap opera Dark Shadows, which aired from 1966 to 1971. Introduced to boost declining ratings, the character portrayed by Jonathan Fritt quickly became the show’s star after an unplanned extension from a 13 week arc.
Oh, so he wasn’t the star. Initially, the character’s backstory draws from a classic vampire lore. Direct nods to Bram Stoker’s Dracula as the primary influence. Bro, I watched a crazy look at the persistent rumors.
KURT METZGER: You see what said?
Vlad the Impaler and Trauma Programming
JOE ROGAN: I watched a crazy documentary the other night on YouTube about the Vlad Tepes, the original Vlad the Impaler, about how he became who he became. Holy shit, man. They were caught like Romania and the Ottomans. And when the king had to give up his two sons and so his two sons had to go live with the Ottomans for like seven years.
KURT METZGER: Pretty bad what they did to him.
JOE ROGAN: Holy shit. And so he came back a complete f*ing psychopath.
KURT METZGER: It’s very similar to how you would trauma train a kid in an MK program. This is ancient shit.
JOE ROGAN: Well, if you certainly, if you want to get that result, that’s the way to do it. Like completely traumatize the kid for seven years, separating from his family and turn him into a f*ing monster. What they did was like set rows of bodies for like kilometers on stakes at like a perfect geometric distance from each other that created like shapes that you could see from above. When you’d look down, you’d see a star of dead people.
KURT METZGER: Yeah. He’s the son of the dragon. When you hear dragon. Holy shit, man. When you hear dragon imagery. The new one. Did you watch the new one, Nosferatu?
JOE ROGAN: Yes, I did.
KURT METZGER: So they.
JOE ROGAN: F*ing Great.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: I loved it.
KURT METZGER: And he. I liked it. I thought it was weird, the amount of weird necrophilia shit it. But that’s because that dude Eggers was looking into real occult shit. So that was like a f*ing. The Solomancy school.
JOE ROGAN: I think it’s the best vampire movie ever. That’s what I think.
KURT METZGER: It was just very odd to throw in that the guy, his friend at the end, like Necrophile his wife. And that’s what they’re implying one hundred percent. And the reason Nosferatu is bothering her is because she used to ask. She had some psychic shit and used to f* around with them. And so right there in the story.
Same thing in Stranger Things. Remember 11. So there Montauk was a program that they had. They’re cutting out the real fed up parts that are very similar to Dracula’s childhood. In particular, the fing sexual trauma that they have to inflict on a child that’s always left out of the super soldier thing.
JOE ROGAN: And the idea is that sexual trauma allows them to have this ability to shut off their past.
KURT METZGER: Well, Joseph Mengele, who America saved, saved his life to get his great research. He remembers obsessed with twins.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
KURT METZGER: And John Lilly was into that too, because psychic connections and all. So fing they found the amount to torture someone. So they go in the fetal position. That means they’re broken to do it. Young enough To a kid. And there’s fing gross kind of cults out there that have done that. You’ve heard of certain cults that do it. Every cult you hear about, like NXIVM. Right?
JOE ROGAN: Right.
Cults and Sexual Abuse
KURT METZGER: There’s always a circle within a circle. Right. And a lot of people say every cult becomes a sex cult, but that’s not necessarily true. Aaron, my friend from, he has a great channel growing up Scientology. And he pointed out, he goes, you know, Scientology did not become a sex call, even though that shit clearly happened to the cult.
Wasn’t like NXIVM, where it’s like, you got to give me a boy job. Okay, but why? And I was like, oh, I couldn’t figure it out. And James McCann explained it to me. James McCann goes, oh, that’s how you become a real religion. If you can keep your cult from becoming a sex cult long enough, you can become a religion. That’s why it didn’t become a sex cult. There’ll be time for vicious sexual assault once you get that tax exemption, but you just got to hold it together.
JOE ROGAN: But Ken’s a f*ing smart guy, man.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, I love talking to him, dude.
JOE ROGAN: I really love talking to him, too. I can’t believe he knows a lot of stuff.
KURT METZGER: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: He’s going back to Australia in a couple of days.
KURT METZGER: I know. Well, he’s throwing it all away.
JOE ROGAN: We’ll get him back.
KURT METZGER: I mean, Australia needs to be back.
JOE ROGAN: Within a year, dude.
KURT METZGER: What a cage Australia is. But they gave up. After the first government run mass shooting, they gave up their guns. What a bunch of punks.
JOE ROGAN: They f*ed up. They thought they were doing the right thing.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, they f*ed up.
JOE ROGAN: And now their government is just locking.
KURT METZGER: Them up for anything they want.
JOE ROGAN: Want?
Dragon Bloodlines and the City of London
KURT METZGER: Well, they’re still subject to the crown. And so a lot of these creepy things. By the way, when you see that dragon shit, you know, like Arthur Pendragon, the legend of Arthur in England. Right. His last name’s Dragon.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, really?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, Arthur Pendragon.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, okay. Right.
KURT METZGER: If you go to the city of London, which is that weird, like, Vatican, like, separate part of London that the king has to ask permission, and they have a john called Gogmagog that’s there when they do, you know. Creepy. The city of London is, it’s run by a bunch of guilds. Real dark shit.
Whenever you see that dragon logo, dude, these are people that think they have f*ing, like, dragon blood, dude. I’m not. I don’t think that. I think they’re just inbred. Okay? I want to make it clear that’s not what I think, but these people say that. So when you hear like, like Charlie Sheen, Tiger Blood. Well, Charlie Sheen used to say he was a Vatican assassin all the time. Right? Remember that?
JOE ROGAN: That’s the crack talking.
The Vatican Assassin and Hollywood’s Hidden Connections
KURT METZGER: Sure, sure, it sure is. But I never heard that phrase. I was like, what the f* is that? What is a Vatican assassin? I mean, Dan Brown was around, but he wasn’t even… he had opens a well.
If you watch the Cleansed documentary, the limited hangout Charlie Sheen thing, where clearly they’re not telling you the half of it, obviously, okay? And he goes, “Well, I just did so much coke and I f*ed so much pussy, I had to try dudes,” like, you flip the menu.
I don’t think that’s true. And the reason I don’t think it’s true is because in the beginning they say his parents walked around naked in front of him till he was five. He’s not the oldest kid either, so there’s some kind of inappropriateness early.
And I know they’re Catholic and probably some Jesuit s in there because people that stay movie stars that long, I would bet they have some connection. Just like modern art was from the CIA. I’ll bet your George Clooneys and Tom Hanks have a deep fing connection.
And that’s why George Clooney is a billionaire. From Tequila. And that’s why Diddy got mad. Why is George Clooney a billionaire? I’m a f*ing asset. Why don’t I get…
JOE ROGAN: That’s what he said, “I’m an asset.”
KURT METZGER: I’m just… I’m wildly speculating that he said, but I think I’m right. So he went against Diageo, which is a British company. He’s not Italian, some made up name. He bit the hand that fed him because he didn’t own f*ing Ciroc.
JOE ROGAN: Right?
KURT METZGER: I think the Illuminati is like Ciroc. I think it was a bigger thing at one time, but now it’s mostly for black people.
Wrapping Up
JOE ROGAN: All right, Kurt Metzger, we’re wrapping it up with that. Thanks, brother. That was very fun.
KURT METZGER: Yeah, man.
JOE ROGAN: You around tonight?
KURT METZGER: Yeah, you know it.
JOE ROGAN: Let’s rock and roll. All right. It was a lot of fun. Thank you, as always. Bye, everybody.
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