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TRANSCRIPT: 5G, Wireless Radiation and Health: A Scientific and Policy Update: Dr. Devra Davis

Read here the full transcript of epidemiologist Dr. Devra Davis’ talk titled “5G, Wireless Radiation and Health: A Scientific and Policy Update” at 2020 Expert Forum (Tel Aviv University).

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TRANSCRIPT:

Introduction

Okay, thank you very much. Let me pull up my first slide. I want to apologize and thank Alon and Paul for all of their efforts to organize this meeting, which has been extremely helpful. I was intending to be with you, but due to illness was not able to make my flight.

I especially want to thank Dr. Morris Malian and his wife, Irene Mo, who are there representing Environmental Health Trust. I will dispense with my resume, which I think is known to many of you, except to say that, frankly, I have spent much of my career working in what might be called the marketplace of ideas of science. Just as democracy rests on the freely given consent of the governed, science rests on the free exchange of information.

Lack of Free Information Exchange

As I will comment later, we have not had that free exchange of information when it comes to this issue. We do not have robust research programs in many places. I’ve documented the absence of independent research on a number of issues, starting with the history of manufactured doubt, which has been well-documented by a number of colleagues, including in “The Secret History of the War on Cancer,” when information about the Pap smear was withheld from people because it was thought it might undermine the private practice of medicine, and when information on the dangers of tobacco, we know, was well-manipulated.

Now, there are two reasons for the absence of scientific certainty when it comes to this issue. One, quite frankly, is the genuine complexity of the matter. But another that we have to acknowledge has been the deliberate manipulation and war games that have been carried out over many years that I and others have documented.

Policy Formulation and Types of Evidence

We are here hosted by the Department of Public Policy, which is entirely appropriate, because when it comes to formulating ideas about policy, we don’t have the luxury of saying, “Come back in five years and we’ll tell you what we think.” We have to base our decisions about what are appropriate policies on several different types of evidence.

The first being exposure and modeling studies. Who is exposed and what are they exposed to? We know that we can use anatomically-based models in order to set standards for practicing surgery, and we can make some real-world measurements and observations. We are less certain about what those exposures may mean, and that’s where the work of scientists comes in.

The Importance of Animal Studies

I want to stress, as the title of my talk is, “What the Animals Try to Tell Us,” that if we’re really smart, we will interpret animal experiments in order to prevent human harm. But we have become, I think, twisted in our reliance on science when it comes to many issues of public health. Instead of using animal evidence to predict and prevent harm, we are increasingly asked to prove that human harm has already taken place.

But I want to stress that every agent that we know for sure causes cancer in humans also produces it in animals when adequately studied. It’s important to realize that. The question is, what do we do? Do we predict and prevent the future, or do we rely on the much more limited data that we have from human studies?

Limitations of Epidemiological Studies

We have epidemiologic evidence, controlled studies, case-controlled studies are the gold standard, so to speak. But keep in mind that epidemiology can only confirm the past. Epidemiology only confirms the past. It should not ever be used to set future policies because what we are enjoined to do as experts in public health and those policymakers who must make these tough decisions is to prevent harm rather than prove that harm has already happened.

The Electromagnetic Spectrum

So when it comes to understanding what electromagnetic fields are, I think it’s instructive to look at this illustration of the range of the spectrum that goes all the way from the electricity that powers the lights in your room at 50 cycles a second in Israel, 50 hertz, 60 in the United States.

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Types of Evidence and Policy Making

When it comes to understanding what electromagnetic fields are, I think it’s instructive to look at the broad spectrum of what is non-ionizing radiation. It extends from the electricity that turns on the lights all the way up to and through ionizing radiation, X-rays, gamma, and cosmic radiation.

The broad spectrum of radiation and the point I want to make about the electromagnetic fields is that they are genuinely complex. We can talk about them in terms of energy. We can talk about them in terms of the wavelength or distance they have to go.

The Complexity of Electromagnetic Fields

When we talk about 5G, I want to make sure that you understand that there’s not one size fits all. In fact, the specs for 5G are still being written as I speak. In the United States today, in some football stadiums, you can get 5G so that you have the opportunity to simultaneously take a video, beam it to a friend, watch the game, eat your popcorn, all at the same time. But it’s working at 700 megahertz as a carrier.

It means that 5G antennas have to have within them 3G and 4G because most of the devices in this stadium are in fact 3G and 4G. Very few people have 5G ready devices. The high frequency cells are being used right now for some environmental monitoring and frankly for surveillance activities in a number of cities. And finally, the millimeter wave of 26 gigahertz and above will be used for some other connections.

Public Health Risks

The question we have to ask ourselves, among many, is: Is this a public health risk?