Transcript: Judge Nap & Larry Johnson chat with Maria Zakharova: Moscow, Russia

And there’s military machine behind it, including and there’s a responsibility for some leaders. They have to have responsibility for what they say.

It’s not a global south countries, but in the west, we have this highlighted marker. And we all face the same question. A lot of colleagues are speaking. They say, they’re going crazy. There’s no logic. There’s no aim. There’s no strategy. There’s some kind of just reactions. And I am the opponent. And I said, no, no, no, wait a minute. There’s a government behind them. There’s a huge machine system behind them that works with a plan. Where is the rationality and all that? Can we lean on it? Or it’s a pure intuition we have now?

Maria Zakharova’s Response: Historical Context

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Dear colleagues, hello. We have a great audience before, a small team, million audience. Hello, Russia. Hello, early morning to United States of America. We don’t know how it will be when they will put us on their greetings.

I always say about one thing that I’ll give an example of my childhood, my school years. I love mathematics, and we had a great teacher. She’s a gifted teacher. Definitely, we had a lot of teachers in mathematics. One of them was she’s gifted, talented. And I remember her, still remember her.

She began lessons of geometry with a simple task. She’d invite you to the class, stand in front, she’d give us a chart, and she’d tell us, draw me a triangle. And I would do that on the chalkboard. And I said that this is a equal sized triangle or this triangle has a straight angle. Of course not. We just drew the triangle off of our hand, off of the mine. No, no. You look at this triangle just on a chalkboard, but you need to be able in a three-d dimension. And if you look at the volume, that could be equal side triangle, it could have a straight angle.

Everything what you say, you can’t look in one format of today. You have to look at it as volume, historical volume, historical content. Why? Because it was your key phrase never. It took place before. It never happened before and only now it takes place. Counting in that we have you have in your phrase a connotation, a connection to the history, time. See, it never happened before. We have to compare it to something.

So I cannot agree that today, we have a special time that never took place before, and it’s worse than when it was some time earlier.

# Comparing Past and Present

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: So look at it now. What happens now? World leaders are going crazy. And social media, they write crazy things and statements. You know? I apologize. Eighty-five years ago, world leaders were telling how they organized a massive killings of people and how they came up with a concentration camp, specialized machines on a massive killing of one nationality or one faith. And that was counted in a whole world, particularly in a whole world in many countries that was… That was absolutely accepted, maybe not normal, but they accepted it. Just think about it. And you speak today about bad times.

Listen, at least today, we have some type of understanding of a norm. At least a little bit, we have, including what you said. That White House has now a person like Mr. Trump. We have a possibility to see people that are same thinkers on the basic foundational things. And we could push us to give an oath to negative basics.

Today, we have good times because we can stand against ninety years ago, eighty-five years ago, we can do that. This is the time where we have seen our grandparents, grandfathers, our neighbors, teachers that lived in those times. And that was massive murders time, but not by barbarians, by sick people, but by those who were as a national hero, national head of the state. And they actually proclaimed the self of the leaders of the free world. They were applauding them.

There’s a civilized world. There’s Western Europe. They worship Hitler. It was everywhere. His portraits were everywhere. They were not just in Germany. That was on New York Times. And he was actually nominated for the Nobel Prize. He was almost a messiah that they were putting their money on. Yeah. Right. That’s when they had ghettos. And that was in a time when he said that the world would need to clean up from Jews, from Slavic people and etcetera. And they were plotting to this. And you tell me now that we have lost times? No.

# The Body Fighting Sickness

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Another very down to earth example. Of course, it’s bad when a person has a fever, has sickness. This means person is sick, but it’s good because the body is fighting the… Yes, the temperature in world body went up. It’s good. That means we are fighting it. We are fighting against with the total humanity. We’re going against that.

We said that from dozens of years, we said that it was good to change the gender of the person. No. It’s not normal. We’re standing against that. We were told that kids are born with no gender or some kind of middle gender. And the parents in the social world, they have to come up with who this baby is going to be to model the baby. That was the norm. And that’s what we stand against.

And I think that today, we’re going to discuss those things, Mr. Trump, individuality, that we need to speak about it. It’s… I think this is this is my feelings. This is what I in my I speak it from my personal convictions. It’s a great chance that the world has. It’s a great chance that the whole world has at least somehow find this same thinkers because in the west, there’s a voice of alternative. Practically lost dozens of years, lost twenty years.

The west was speaking collectively with one voice of craziness, madness. Truly, it’s devil’s voice. I think at this ultra black mass, they had babies that when they were not eighteen year, and then they were cutting off their genitals and given the hormones. You know, that was the devil’s worshiping place. Yes. That’s a satanic action.

And I think when one person came, yes, he’s he came with a team, but one person who started speaking against this hell squire. Something different. Now that’s a chance, but I think we’ll discuss it later on.

The Temperature Metaphor

MODERATOR: I will use your image, and I will give it as a question to our colleagues from U.S. Maria says that temperature is a sign that the body is fighting with microbes. But when the temperature goes above forty-two degrees in Celsius, that’s the lethal person can die. So I have a question for you. From the do you think that fever temperature in the world goes from one lethal state to another? What do you think? What is your opinion?

Judge Napolitano’s Perspective

JUDGE NAP: Well, first of all, it’s a pleasure to be here and to be able to speak to our Russian audience and our American audience. Larry Johnson and I are colleagues for many years on television and now on the podcast. It’s a special pleasure to be here with our friend Maria, who of course is a world known figure and a very deep thinker.

Your answer to Alexander’s question provoked many, many ideas, at least in my mind, and I won’t address all of them because we’ll be here all afternoon, but it was a very deep and profound answer.

Today, because of President Trump, there is at least communication going on between the two great powers. And talking is always better than fighting, even if the talking results in baby steps, as we say in America, you’re familiar with this, of progress. It is far better than the silence, the wall of silence that was erected during the Biden years.

# Christian Morality and Understanding

JUDGE NAP: Another thing that Trump has brought back in America is a more traditional understanding of Christian morality. The American people do not know how profoundly Christian orthodox the Russian society is and the Russian people are. If the American people understood that the way Larry and I do from our trips here, from our interaction with you and our other friends in this room, it would lower the temperature because of the unity and the understanding that would come about.

I would never criticize you. You’re a world class spokesperson for one of the two great powers on the planet. But the American people need a better understanding of the Russian people, and that understanding will filter its way up to the American leadership.

As for this stuff about changing genders, unfortunately, it is legal in America. Unfortunately, the government pays for it. It is reprehensible, immoral, profoundly disgusting, but unfortunately, it’s becoming commonplace. It should be defeated by the force of ideas among us, by the force of opinions among us. So it is not common, so it is not contemplated, so people will hesitate even to think about it because it is diabolic and will result in the destruction of the mores that underlie our society.

I pass to my friend.

Larry Johnson’s Observations

LARRY JOHNSON: Well, first, let me say it’s always a pleasure to be with the woman known as the steel fist, the iron fist in the velvet glove. It’s really it’s a remarkable achievement because I was talking with the judge and Scott Ritter, and we try to recall spokesmen or spokeswomen for foreign ministries that are memorable. And there are only two. No. No. No, no. There are only two.

I can remember Margaret Tutwiler, who was James Baker’s spokeswoman and you. I mean, you have a presence and a fame and around the world, which makes you credible. And then you back it up with you’re not just an empty head. You’ve got substance, you speak well, and you also know how to straighten people out when they’re off base.

# Russia as a City on a Hill

LARRY JOHNSON: Let me suggest that my question to you will be this. Does Russia realize that it is now that city on a hill that the world should flock to, to learn how to live? Here’s what I mean by that. With the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, Russia sunk to a level of despair, life expectancy declined, the middle class virtually disappeared. It a time of horror.

And yet out of that, Russia has arisen sort of like a phoenix from the ashes. And instead of embarking on military adventure after military adventure like we have in the United States, instead of causing death and mayhem around the world as we did in the United States. Russia first focused on rebuilding its country and creating a beautiful nation and one that was not committed to militarism, one that was not committed to conquest.

So I guess my question is, do you guys realize what you have and that you’ve got a real message to share with the world?

Maria Zakharova on Faith and Survival

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Yes. Thank you very much for what you said. I want to say that probably I shouldn’t start from myself. But since you started from me, I will allow myself to answer my personality. You know, I never had something special. When I came to the ministry of foreign affairs, I came to work in nineteen ninety-eight to Ministry of Foreign Affairs from the institute. These were the years of collapse. Everything was disrupted. Truly everything, any ideology was broken. No communist, no socialist, no party. We didn’t have internal system. Everything was in ruins. Nothing nobody understood what took place.

We didn’t have salaries. I was paid salary. Just as much for me to take a metro trip, a subway trip to my work. Would somebody work in the state department for that if they would just have a hundred dollar salary? I had less than a hundred dollars. Even food, we cooked at home and we brought to work. We didn’t have the money to buy food.

I was doing translations. I was translating verbally for some Chinese tourists to make money, to survive because I know Chinese language. Some was driving a car in the evening like a taxi guy from my colleagues at nighttime. Some were given lessons. How what what we we would do all that as possible.

# The Power of Faith

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Out of material world, we had nothing. No salaries, no clothing. Nothing. We were surviving. We never had anything from the ideology world. Material ideology world. Were all ruined. You can grade it differently, but basics was the same. But we had something. Someone thing that was stronger than anything else. What was it? Yeah. That was faith.

We believed. We really believed. What we believed in, we had faith in… We touched to not just some kind of messianic way of our country. But it’s our country passed through so much before. And so many fears, so many terrorists, unprecedented. Surely, we can go through this way. You know, we never had I never heard that that there’s something had to take place.

# Understanding the Russian Spirit and American Values

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Something would be in the future. Nobody put that faith in. Nobody told me at work it would be good. No.

Everybody was there. There was no organization. And the biggest powerful message was given by Mister Yevgeny Primakov. He started putting together the team. He started fighting. He started taking steps.

He would raise the material level for the workers. He would start putting in the ideology work in a process. And that was a powerful impulse. But every day, nobody took care of, you know, psychiatrists, psychologists, “Hey, let’s work on something.” We didn’t have team building.

Never had that. But we had something inside, deep in our heart and our soul, something that was probably brought to us by Russian literature, Russian artistic school, beautiful paintings, art. They gave us that power. They were new together. Maybe it was our architecture.

You know, the ones that did it. But then the time to go forward. And that somehow internally gave you the battery, that accumulator, that you have for the extra cases. You have no working system in the body or something, but you have that battery. You have that something that if you don’t have electricity, unplug it and then the less accumulator would work.

That internal accumulator was moving us. I’m not special. Myself, there’s a lot of people like myself that came in those years for government service, not for money, not for glory, not to be a hero. I don’t know why we came. We came.

We were led by a certain internal feeling that we have to do that. And with the faith that we have to do that, not the faith of the special future or special mission, but the faith that we have to do it.

Trump’s Internal Calling

This is why when I see Trump, I have a feeling that he has that internal leading, some kind of faith that has to be done. I allow myself to get back. There’s a Russian word. It’s just not a Russian phrase. Everybody says it in Russian. This is “flesh from flesh and blood from blood.”

To me, it’s like an absolute example of he is the America, the America that was created. Entrepreneurial, very flexible, very has a lot of things inside, different cultures, different colors inside. America’s commerce, it’s business, it’s deals.

This was what we had three hundred years ago in America. That’s how it was created. He is that American, and he, the winner takes it all. He took it all. He made a lot of money.

He was already popular. He already was, like, from American values. You know, self-made, quite a very popular person. He took the last prize. He became, for himself, a President of America.

He could have at least come down at that point. He made a lot of money. He had a high position. He had all the glory, and he proved that he’s got the family. He’s got the friends.

He’s got world business. But something moved him further. Could it be in the beginning that it was that he lost that position and so unjustly because it was stolen from him? And I’m a hundred percent assured that he had the position stolen from him in an election. Presidency was stolen from him.

They didn’t let him work on the first term. The first term of President Trump was at fifty or even actually seventy percent. There was ultra-liberal Democrats in power. They did anything possible to stop him. And could it be that it was the motivation that he had to prove that he’s able to do something?

But then later on, no. There’s something inside more stronger than just a desire to prove and fight for justice. Right? It’s a faith that he had to do something special. He’s got, like, a special calling.

This can be done by a person who truly is ready to lay down all that he has, not just himself, but even to the system, success of all his relatives. He went through, the people tried to kill him. Some people were killed around him, not physically, but ideologically, morally. People were killed without weapons in his circle. They were put in jails.

They were going after. Look at his wife. They went after her, and that’s important for her. And that’s it. She’s a person with a certain attitude towards his inner circle.

He was ready to put a layer on the altar, everything, because he understood that America, and America is tied up with a lot of countries, that America is drowning. It’s at the collapse level. And maybe outside it’s not seen, but he understood it from the very inside because America was made as a, like, ugly state by those ultra—I can’t call them democrats. These ultra people, ultra people, whoever they are, but they’re not democrats. They’re just killing America, and he put everything he could not to win himself, but give a chance to the people that he really loves and respects.

And that’s more than he’s just in our circle. It’s more than just money. You know, it’s, you know better than I do. Yes. That’s slogan.

Everybody knows that. Just recently, I thought about it. Could it be that in this MAGA, there’s one more point? Could it be magnanimous? Magnanimous word.

Yeah. It’s like having a huge soul for people. Magnanimous. Magnanimous, the great American word. MAGA, American. Maybe it’s not just “Make America Great Again.”

Yeah. Maybe it’s just being that, be an open heart person.

The Power of Spirit in Russia

And I was trying through his example to show you what we felt in the nineties when we came to state department service here in Russia. We understood why we had to do it for other generations before us, for a whole world because a lot of countries believed in Russia. And when you said that Russia did not make a better military or aggression, like yesterday, President of Russia, Mister Putin, by saying greetings to RT for their anniversary. He said a great personal story. I never heard that. He was the head of the federal state service here to his colleagues. You know, these people already worked for him.

He said, persons who worked at KGB all the time. He was the head of FSB. He is flesh from flesh, a person from those powers who’s in special secret services. He was speaking as the head of the federal service bureau to all his colleagues. “You must not only put on the power methods, but how to explain, give explanations.”

You know, he said that first time, the story. That’s where also we’re looking at, at the power of the spirit. At the power of this example, personal example. Again, the power of a spirit. We have in Russian, a saying, “a power of spirit.” It’s not just a willpower.

A willpower. It’s something what was called to place on Hitler. He wrote “The Triumph of Will.” Will is not everything. A will without that, without the spirit from the can bring you to what Nazis did in Germany.

Not the will only, but on the power of the spirit. And where you understand that your will has to be together with something more great, having a bigger value, civilization value that was going from generation to generation, godly values. And this put all together, you’re trying to do what you do, what is kind of like given to you from all those generations. That gives you that strength and power to keep going forward.

I truly hope, I really believe that this is the faith that’s not seen still. It’s the faith that acts. But now Trump will stand against all those ultras. He stood against them when the first time he had his first term. He stood against strong second time when he was almost shot, when he was wounded.

And he started going forward. And he stood with all his team was under great pressure. Now all those ultra-liberals in United States are acting. They don’t go direct. They go through European Union. Go around.

They recruit all NATO and EU space so that as required, they would pressure Trump massively. And let’s say, “Hey. Let’s raise up the aggression in Ukraine. Give them more weapons, supply more weapons.” EU does it, for themselves, EU does it for American ultras. Yes.

LARRY JOHNSON: One of the things I really can’t understand is that the attack on Donald Trump that started with the dossier, which we now know as Russiagate, was entirely designed to demonize Russia.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: No, no, no, wait, stop. It would be difficult now. Difficult now. It will take my strength to give you the explanation. To demonize Russia, that’s not for America.

American people, the real American people. They didn’t have any relations to demonize. I lived among Americans. It’s not the embassy I lived in. I lived in America every day, one hour, two hours, one way, another hour back home.

I lived among Americans. I talked to Americans. The main target of Americans, I mean, the main thing is go to work. Leave till Friday. Have some rest on Saturday.

Enjoy church, synagogue, mosque, and Sunday. Get some strength, get back to the work week and launch the next week to make money, to feed yourself, your kids, provide education or some kind of profession. That’s the main goal that America is thinking about. That’s the only thing that they have, the real American people. The rest, they throw to them as an ideology, like a setting, like on a phone or something to demonize Russia.

This was the goal for American ultras.

LARRY JOHNSON: Yeah. No. I agree. Agree. Agree.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Why? Because if we speak about civilization values, we’re very close with Americans. You know? It is a part of that powerful group. It’s not actually the group.

It’s an American society, American value. They love and they keep traditional values, but they don’t push away the progress. Of course not. But it speaks the day. Human being, it’s not an animal.

It’s not some kind of thing that crawls on the ground that you can do experiments with. It’s a unique individual that was made in the image of God. And in that case, in that meaning, we are the same. We have the same points of contact. Right.

And this is why they wanted to level down Trump, and they had to keep Russia out of the daily agenda. And how could they do by putting demonic image on Trump, on Russia, anything that takes place around Russia, anything takes place in a huge was created by the hands of American ultra-radicals by their network over Europe to put pressure through Russia back on Trump. Yeah.

LARRY JOHNSON: No. And then that was my point that it was to poison the atmosphere so that the natural values that the American people share with the Russian people. And I think part of it too was when Russia re-embraced its Christian roots and that faith that has been the fire that has burned through the centuries.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Not just Christian but to traditional religion. We have Islam. True. We have Judaism. We have traditional religions in support.

LARRY JOHNSON: Well, and that’s one of the other things I insist that Russia has to teach the world because Russia on the one hand is this deeply Christian nation and yet has found a way that the Muslims and the Jews and other religions, they love Mother Russia first. They are Russian. And yet they still practice their religion. That’s one of the other things I think that Russia has to teach the world.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: It’s because—

LARRY JOHNSON: In the United States, we find these divisions, we get separated, whether you’re Muslim, you’re Jewish and we haven’t found the way to bridge that like Russia has.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Probably not teach the world, but see—

JUDGE NAP: Yeah. But you have such a profound understanding of the American system and of Donald Trump. It’s hard for me to believe that the Americans have an equivalent understanding of President Putin, of the progress that has been made here since the fall of the Soviet Union and an appreciation of the Russian culture.

Americans simply don’t have that. When Larry and I say, “I’m going to Moscow,” my own brothers, whom I dearly love, say to me, “Why are you going there? You might get killed.” No. I mean, the attitude—

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: It is safer here than in New York where I live.

JUDGE NAP: The attitude is so stilted because of what the elites, the military-industrial complex, the people that fed the government.

The Problem of Propaganda

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Only one answer to your phrase. Because of propaganda. Yes. Because United States, the Constitution, and propaganda is against the law. Absolute freedom of speech, so propaganda is prohibited. But what do we have in the United States? It’s pure propaganda. You put together the mass media, together with the political flows, with the state government, with economical institutes, financials, there we have propaganda. And, you know, I have my own terminology about Russia.

Three years, over three years, I worked in the United States. Every day, I watched American TV channels. I read newspapers. And every day, I heard American radio in the car driving to work and different political channels, social, and just absolutely totally entertainment. I made a conclusion.

America, starting from two thousand, there was a policy that I called “Zero Good News About Russia.” Zero good news. It just doesn’t happen that way.

Always something happens good, not just bad news. There’s good, but there’s also bad. There’s bad, there’s also good. They spoke nothing, not one word about Russia that was good. I saw maybe five news, five cases in three years.

Just think about it. Five cases in three years with good news about Russia. Number one. Russia. And in the city, the exhibition was open.

And that was good news. Good news was that. The concerts of ballets and popular. Good news was that. I can’t say it was good.

It was kind of bad news. It was given in a neutral way, from a neutral source with some kind of feeling when the president died. Of course, it’s tragic news, but at least with this tragic news, they added some positive things. There was another image or another show about some kind of cats or whatever else. So in three years, that’s what I saw positive about Russia.

# Challenging Media Narratives

Anything else was bad, negative, people’s rights bad, caucus is bad, everything is negative, and the rest also was bad. But, Maria, it is worse today.

Larry Johnson is one of the smartest people I know on American intelligence and American military. He is not permitted on any of the mainstream television, commercial, cable TV at all. He once was, but he isn’t anymore.

That’s why he has to come on places like my podcast and other podcasts, which are alternative media. We are growing enormously because the American people have a thirst for another side of these events, a thirst for a truthful view of Russia. They do not get it in mainstream media. The American media are the CIA stenographers. They say whatever the government wants them to say, and they say whatever the oligarchs that own them want them to say.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Well, I think that the state that we have CIA in, that’s also what you did. Former. Former CIA. It’s just like with President Putin. The Americans like to say, “Oh, he’s KGB.” Well, he was a lawyer. What about Bush? They’re very well. Come on. Sure.

So you see it’s a… This is exactly why the team, the Trump’s team came to social media. Yes. Before his first, they knew it all. They knew everything about United States.

Trump and the American Dream

That was the biggest thing that, unfortunately, America is now under propaganda because they are a person. Trump was a… Trump was flesh to flesh. He’s American. He’s got an… he is the American dream. What you speak about America, we’ve said in hundreds of years, this is Trump, his house, family, work, business, money, his ability to be resurrected. It’s a service to your country. This is Trump.

And he, being the owner of the huge empire of finance, his great friends with a lot of money. He could have bought any commercial on TV. Right. He left from TV, from newspapers. He went into mass media. And I’m sorry, the social networks. And he was blocked everywhere because liberal democracy didn’t want to see him there. And then he started making his own social networks. And that’s when he started doing to make a hybrid something out of it, hybrid.

And for me, it is the best proof that, unfortunately, in United States, we have blocks on certain some set of questions concerning Russia. And it’s our positive image, but let’s put it objective image. We don’t want to say we’re only good. Yes, we are the way we are, right? You speak about us.

Hey, we’ve got bridges under construction. We’ve got roads. We have great museums opening theaters. We have great hospitals. We have schools, kindergartens. We have a lot of bad things. We also have a lot of good things. Say everything about us. Say never anymore speak about Russia. This or that. That would be more just now what they do now. But that’s not what they do in America.

The Reality of Modern Russia

We had a year ago when Italian businessman, a very powerful figure in Italy one time. He’s about seventy years old. He first time came to Russia. He was shocked. He was in the center of Moscow. He couldn’t believe his eyes. Right. It’s like he said, “I traveled to another planet.” He says, “You should not exist. When I looked Italian TV, I am told that you don’t exist.”

JUDGE NAP: Yeah. I saw that in twenty thirteen, that’s when Obama said that the Russian economy was torn. He says here, take around. Right. Here, take a look around the storm pieces. He could not believe he said these ugly words that Italian TV was speaking about Russia. I mean, he named them all names in the world.

This is the way I felt the first time I visited Moscow, was just six months ago with Larry. I couldn’t believe the beauty, the hustle and bustle, as we say in New York, the magnificence, the culture of Moscow. But I must ask you, Alexander, is there a way for President Trump to view what we’re saying? He must hear what Maria just said. He must know the profound understanding that she and Foreign Minister Lavrov and President Putin have of him and of the American society.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Got good news about America. We just came back from New York. We were at the General Assembly. It’s a rare case where they give me a visa. For the General Assembly, they still give it to me.

New York’s Transformation

The good news is that New York became better. For the last year, Manhattan got cleaner. Has a lot of order. What took place in New York for the last five years that I know, it was just total destruction. And Manhattan became like favela. You know, this is word favela.

JUDGE NAP: Mhmm. This is a… What is this word?

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Favela is a Brazilian slum.

JUDGE NAP: Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: They left not just garbage, but, you know, they were sorry, but they were, you know, sh*ing in the middle of the street. And we came to New York. The smell was there, like somebody died. It was impossible. And now the last twelve months that we have a new administration, the layout became better. They started cleaning up the garbage. They started cleaning up the streets, not those ugly constructions. They left the town looking like some kind of doghouse or something.

So there is an understanding that those that came to power, they understand that New York is like a visit card for United States. It’s the image of the essence. It’s not about the… It’s about the core, about the city. It’s a city with a special history. And praise God, it’s there’s some kind of internal resurrection of the city.

The Challenge of Understanding

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: One more topic for discussion to continue. Maria, you were talking about, we’re talking about the same thing, but understanding as how two countries or maybe they understand or maybe they don’t understand each other, we don’t have enough instruments that they’re blocked in America. I would like to remember the book, we have it in Russian, of great American thinker, Robert Jervis, that the right and wrong perception of international politics. And a wrong perception according to his opinion is that the war, not understanding that not this just that not interest or no desire, but not understanding each other.

And being in such state, what can we do? He is a judge. He speaks about alternative media. Yes, they’re very powerful in the United States. A lot of users, a lot of viewers, but that’s what they have. How can we, today, as we’re sitting at this table, help your input, your investment? We to the club of people’s unity, we want to create these meetings at least at the level of experts to reach understanding. How can we carry to people? Maybe we think about people’s diplomacy.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: You know, not understanding is like a in a terminology of not understanding. It’s very local thing. And you see the home and you don’t understand. Globally, if you took the large scale, when you turn on the TV, when you open up a newspaper, that’s when misunderstanding either disappears because they explode or it increases. Misunderstanding is like a factor. That can’t bring to work. But when you scale it up, when you lock it up, when you put the oil on a fire, definitely, it’s the word to a way to conflict. Why? Due to mismedia propaganda makes this work that is taken over by certain groups.

What do we do? Believe that we have to now everyone at his own place, at his own position spot. Somebody has to ring the bell. Somebody has to give explanations. We have to work. We have to stand on the basic foundations.

Biden’s Powerful Example

By the way, rarely that I ever speak about Biden on the good side, but there’s one good thing that really shocked me. I heard that myself is not fake. It wasn’t deep fake. I heard his interview, and I think that is an amazing example that he brought. Unfortunately, he didn’t use it in his life.

He said when went to Europe some time ago. He took grandkids with him. I think he brought them to Auschwitz to the camp. One of the concentration camps in Germany. He put his grandkids before the entrance to the camp at the territory of the European country, and he said, “What do you see?” They see concentration camps. Says, “That’s right. Who was the biggest evil? Were Germans, Nazis that were killing people?” He says, “Yes.” And that’s true.

But the worst thing is that around, people were living. And he said, “Turn around, take a look at those houses, good, beautiful houses that were around. People with great comfort lived in those houses and those people every day. They stood up. They were brushing their teeth, doing their gymnastics, took a shower. They made their eggs, made a coffee or tea, read the news, went outside the house, outside the gate, and they saw those concentration camps and wagons of humans were coming to, and they saw the pipes with ash coming out. Right. They’re coming back, and they repeated their routine.”

What’s worse? The ones that were already crazy, they couldn’t understand. They didn’t sign that camp or those that kept some type of a routine and their acceptance. They read the books, and they were not in that process. But they watched the process of killing, and they did nothing.

That was Biden’s speech, and that shocked me. I cannot say ever that that he didn’t say that. You really have to say that what was good, what he said, what was bad, what he said. But this is what we should not be as people who have their own house routine. Make a tea, coffee, put a pie, piece of pie, say goodnight to kids, and watches at the world from their own window, watching the murdering of people that takes place, at what they how they try to kill the nations, watching probably. It’s how they killed other people.

Of course, we shouldn’t do the self judging. We shouldn’t. But we have to come to the certain values and find the answer to the question. We should not develop. We shouldn’t go for that. We should stop that harassment. So that could be an answer.

Faith, Values, and Patriotism

But, you know, you actually answered a lot deeper. But if you take a look at your own personal traditional values, you would be able to help the society. So what I offer to you is also join this discussion. Official representative of Ministry of Foreign Affairs talks about faith and values with us. And what when you worked in the late 90s in Ministry of Foreign Affairs, motivated you?

But I had the word it’s really being a patriotic. It’s that faith that everything would work out. And for me, this is very valuable to me. My country, in your country, we have the same country. We cannot live separately from the history of the World War II, story made us. We are the generation that totally exists either against or because of these events. It’s like we’re flesh from flesh of those times. We have to understand what took place there.

And we have to remember that with the difference of systems, with the difference of how it all started and how the war launched and how different positions were there. Unfortunately, Western countries, Western Europe, and unfortunately, part of the American society. These are the way they applaud Hitler. Massive conferences of masses in the United States, some actually were greatly financing him, but all this hell broke loose.

Finding Common Ground

And when the Soviet Union won over this equator of that fight, and when they established that, there will be no masses and fascists for them to continue on, they put a block. There were some powers inside the western society to pick up, create anti Hitler coalition and open a second front in real time. Mhmm. Not by words, but already in certain acts. Fight with a common enemy, France had strength towards anti fascist movement. Inside Germany, they had they had powerful powers, but they had a right push in other countries. And we started fighting together.

Today, we have to find the same common ground because what takes place in the area of the values and morality and actually, anti morality, that’s actually very, very close to the fascist time where the ninety years ago took place. Because the engine is the same segregation of people to those who have a right to leave and who’s got no right to leave, segregational concern in the language or access to the resources, being above somebody else. And that’s what the world passed through many times. So we have to find the same ground so it won’t be too late.

The Reality of Kursk

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: So try to get ready and…

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: We have to stop. Can… No. No. No. We it’s already takes place. Think about it. You have to realize the Kursk region. Region. They have massive cemeteries of the people. The Kyiv regime killed and buried in those cemeteries. Do you realize that? People, citizens of Kursk region as Donetsk, Lugansk today in twenty first century. Just think about it. Were killed massively as they were killed with massive fascists ninety years ago.

Do you realize that we’re talking about Europe? Why are you talking about trying to stop it? No. No. No. It already takes place in the center of Europe. That NATO countries, European segment of NATO countries there, in that absolute zombie state. They give money to that every day. They pressure from that he would give more money and more technology weapons to kill.

We are already in a center of the huge shape that the countries that we’re speaking about the most developed countries and for the last hundreds of years, Western Union was United States. This or that way, they were representative represents like technologically developed states. The states that were the creators of the modern, you know, Roman rights, Roman law, of modern architecture. Where did it come from? Coal came from European civilizations.

These countries accumulated powers to develop humanity. What did it come to in the twenty first century? To five massive methods of murdering people. The worst lesson we had the first one ninety years ago, but we never learned that lesson.

The Cycle of Mistakes and the Path Forward

And it goes in cycles, mistake after mistake in the first quarter of the twenty-first century. Now it’s a shame when the uneducational people do that—barbarians, not developed personality, who is outside of the educational process or like process, outside of the values. It’s one thing. He’s wild. You know, he’s a wild person.

But these are people with education. These are done by people who know what is Christianity, Judaism, being Muslim, being the people that know who is Diderot, Rousseau, who is Montesquieu, all other heroes, who’s Victor Hugo. They know it all, and they still do it. And this is a catastrophe. It’s a horror.

So we have to work not for going ahead. We are already in the middle of those events, not us as Russia. We are standing against. We, as you mentioned correctly, are not allowing that fever to grow to the feral.

But the others, they don’t know. The world majority that are represented like Asia, Africa, Latin America. Surprisingly, all their life, the west called them the noncivilized, non-developed. They are being developed. They already understood.

In three years, they’re saying, “Hey, let’s stop.” And they say to the Swiss, “Listen, we don’t need the escalation of this conflict.” Many countries said that—Asia, Latin America, and especially Africa say, “Wait, we went through that. This is racism. This is what takes place. Hey, wake up.”

But the civilized part is in a zombie state. So this is the fear and the horror. We need to stop it. We have to stop the conversation, put it on pause.

Closing Remarks

MODERATOR: But again, I want to repeat that we were on air with official representatives from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Maria Zakharova, international analytic and expert, CIA expert, Larry Johnson, the head of Judging Freedom Podcast, Judge Napolitano, and Alexander Kazakhov, the co-chairman of the International Unities Club.

We don’t say goodbye. We’re going to be here for another week trying to bring the truth. Thank you, Maria, for your time. Truly appreciate your effort. You have given us a great push. Thank you.

MARIA ZAKHAROVA: Thank you so much.

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