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TRANSCRIPT: The Real-World Danger of Online Myths: Vidhya Ramalingam

Read the full transcript of counter-terrorism expert Vidhya Ramalingam’s talk titled “The Real-World Danger of Online Myths” at TED conference on October 29, 2024.

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TRANSCRIPT:

The Reality of Climate Scientists’ Lives

VIDHYA RAMALINGAM: “You are a disgusting liar.” “Someone, somewhere will hunt you down.” “I hope someone puts a bullet between your eyes.” These are messages received by climate scientists.

According to a recent survey, 39 percent of climate scientists have faced online abuse. 18 percent of those are threats of physical violence. “At the end of the day, we’re going to see just how much you believe in your global warming and whether you’re willing to die for your so-called ‘research.'”

No scientist should have to fear for their lives. But this is just another day in the life of a climate scientist.

Background and Expertise

I’m not a climate scientist. I’m not a climate change activist. I’m a counterterrorism expert. I started my journey meeting with white supremacists in basements in Sweden and went on to lead a global policy effort after Europe’s first major terrorist attack perpetrated by a white supremacist.

I went on to found Moonshot, an organization that works to end violence online. I care about climate change denial because it’s so often weaponized to serve as a justification for violence.

The Complex Nature of Climate Disinformation

It would be easy to think that if only we could get people to understand climate change is real, we could put an end to this. Unfortunately, it’s not that simple.

In 2019, a gunman walked into a Walmart in El Paso, Texas. He killed 23 people, many of immigrant background. He called himself an “ecofascist.” He believed in climate change, but he had bought into mis- and disinformation that immigrants were the root cause of it, that sustainability would only be possible with the elimination of people of color.

Mis- and disinformation are so often weaponized to serve as a justification for violence. Although they’re often used interchangeably, misinformation is information that’s false or misleading. Disinformation is spread intentionally to cause harm. It’s so powerful because it taps into your grievances, what makes you really angry, and it offers simplistic solutions. There’s typically a villain and a hero.

Common Manipulation Tactics

Over the last two years, my team and I have been researching different kinds of manipulation tactics used all over the world to spread disinformation. Two of the most common were decontextualization and fearmongering.

Decontextualization is the practice of taking information out of its original context to deliberately mislead people. For example, earlier this year, Europe experienced a series of protests by farmers against a range of proposed environmental regulations. There were street blockades and protests, demonstrations, occupations.

Adding to an already tense moment, several inauthentic images circulated. This one purported to show the Ukrainian embassy in Paris getting pummeled with manure. This was actually footage taken months earlier from an entirely different protest about an entirely different issue in Dijon, not even in Paris.

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And this effort to mislead the public, it wouldn’t be complete without the use of new technology. Here’s an image showing the streets of Paris lined with bales of hay. It’s a really striking image, isn’t it? This never happened. It was entirely generated by AI.

The Global Impact of Disinformation

And this isn’t just happening in Europe. Last year, after wildfires raged in Hawaii, a disinformation network linked to the Chinese Communist Party spread inauthentic images purporting that the US government had intentionally spread the wildfires using a so-called “weather weapon.” Can you imagine? Over a hundred people died in those wildfires, and the idea that those fires were deliberately set by their own government against their own people? It’s terrifying.

These kinds of conspiratorial narratives can spread widespread fear, which takes us to the next powerful tactic of disinformation: fearmongering – deliberately exaggerating an issue so that you can provoke fear and alarm.

We know that emotion-driven information processing can overtake evidence-based decision making, which is what makes this form of disinformation so effective. It’s for these reasons that a recent MIT study found a false story will travel six times quicker to reach 1,500 people than a true story will. And we know Facebook fact-checkers take up to 72 hours on average to identify and remove this content. By that time, most impressions have already been made.

The Challenge of Addressing Disinformation

Now I know we have all seen this online, and when you see it happen, it can be really tempting to respond with the facts. I get it. We pride ourselves on logic and science. The truth matters. So when someone is so obviously spreading false information, just correct them, right?

Unfortunately, this doesn’t always work. Believe me, I spent the last two decades learning how to have conversations with people buying into white supremacy. That is disinformation at its worst. Disinformation wins because of the emotions it inspires, because of the way it makes people feel. So if someone is so bought into disinformation, getting into debates on the facts with them can just risk pushing them even further into a corner, backing them into a corner so that they get really defensive.

The Prebunking Solution

OK, so if we can’t debate the facts endlessly, what can we do? Last year, Moonshot partnered with Google to test an approach known as “prebunking.” Prebunking is a proven communication technique designed to help people spot and reject efforts to manipulate them in the future by giving them forewarning and giving them tools to be able to reject a manipulative message, you lessen the likelihood that they will be misled.

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This is not about telling people what is true or false or right or wrong. It’s about empowering people to protect themselves. We’ve tapped into the universal human desire not to be manipulated, and this method has been tried and tested for decades, since the 1960s.

All prebunking messages contain three essential ingredients.