Comic Theo Von on Joe Rogan Podcast #2413 (Transcript)

She’s an older lady and she takes CBD for pain for joints and stuff like that.

THEO VON: Does she smoke it or she does the ointment?

JOE ROGAN: No, she takes oil. Like CBD oil? Yeah, he’s snuck it in there. F*ing dead Turtle. He’s a leading proponent of closing a 2018 farm bill loophole allowing intoxicating THC to be sold in low doses.

THEO VON: See, but he’s got a couple of f*ing milligrams in his neck. Look at that.

JOE ROGAN: He’s got something going on. They definitely got him medicated. There ain’t no way that guy’s sleeping without help. Everybody hates him.

THEO VON: It looks like he hit a joint. It won’t leave him alone.

JOE ROGAN: Took it edible. He’s like… Joey Diaz dosed him. He looks like he’s on the church. He’s on the church of what’s happening now. And Joey Diaz. Joey Diaz and Lee are just staring at him. Yeah, yeah, they got to change that. That’s really bad.

THEO VON: Why is it bad? Because of what they…

JOE ROGAN: Because for people that are getting benefits from CBD, the THC along with the CBD. And by the way, we’re talking super, super low amounts. But there’s something about how CBD and THC work in a synergistic way for people that are in a lot of pain. I know a lot of people. My wife’s mom, she says the stuff with the THC in it works better and it’s not getting her high. This is the misunderstanding. This stuff’s not going to get you high. But what it will do is it helps with anxiety for a lot of people. It definitely reduces inflammation.

And for people that have joint pain, my friend Dave Foley. Dave Foley from NewsRadio. Kids in the Hall, Dave Foley, awesome guy. Dave had pretty severe arthritis in his hands. Where he was really having a hard time opening his hands, started taking CBD oil.

THEO VON: Can he open a jar or anything like that?

JOE ROGAN: You think was pain, man, it was bad. But now it’s gone and it’s gone because of CBD. It’s really effective, man. It’s really effective.

THEO VON: And so what they’re saying that they don’t want you to… Why are they doing that? Because they want to control it.

JOE ROGAN: It’s the alcohol lobby. It’s the same people that are trying to keep marijuana illegal in Texas. It’s the alcohol lobby. This is the fact. The fact is when people start smoking weed, they drink less. And I mean, it could be because they just decided to get high and not get drunk, or it could be that they smoke pot and they get a little paranoid and they go, “Oh, my God, why am I poisoning myself five days a week?”

Cocaine and Saunas

THEO VON: Well, a lot of people now feel like they’re just doing cocaine and saunas, it seems like.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think they’re doing those together. Maybe in your neighborhood.

THEO VON: Not in our area.

JOE ROGAN: Maybe it’s your town.

THEO VON: I want my neighbors to know that.

JOE ROGAN: Maybe your neighbors are coming over their underwear with a f*ing baggie. “Let’s go, Theo. Let’s go. Let’s get… get that bitch up to 185.”

THEO VON: Let’s go.

JOE ROGAN: There’s a place on my head. Throw that water on them rocks. I’m ready. I want my nasal cavity to be open wide. Get that eucalyptus in the air, bro.

THEO VON: Dude, the best is… Yeah. If you have a good brother or somebody, they say eucalyptus.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, eucalyptus. Get the eucalyptus in the air.

Drinking Less

THEO VON: But yeah, I don’t know if a lot of people are even drinking that much anymore.

JOE ROGAN: Do you think a lot less people are drinking? Including me?

THEO VON: But…

JOE ROGAN: But I did have a drink the other night before I went on stage. I felt great. Woo. I haven’t done that in a while. I had a little whiskey before I went on stage, but I gave up on drinking entirely for many months. I forget how many months, but it was quite a while where I didn’t have a sip of alcohol and I felt way better.

THEO VON: You did?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. But I don’t think there’s anything wrong with moderation. When I was in New York, I went to this place, Teresi. Oh, my God.

THEO VON: For MSG. You mean for the pipes? Just now.

JOE ROGAN: Oh my God. There’s this Italian restaurant in New York City called Teresi. It’s so good.

THEO VON: Remember that place took me to Joe? Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Gaetano’s in Vegas. Oh, so good, bro. All handmade pasta at Gaetano’s, man.

THEO VON: What was that little thing? It’s like a little square ravioli.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, my God. Right?

THEO VON: Like a shingle fell off the roof of heaven and landed in my mouth.

Italian Food and Wheat

JOE ROGAN: With that sauce, just perfect sauce. And Gaetano’s is a lot of it. It’s like the best ones get their flour from Italy because it doesn’t f* with your stomach. Our flour’s all messed up, man. Our wheat’s messed up.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah. A lot of our wheat’s from Memphis, dude. A lot of our wheat has…

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, all kinds of pesticides on it.

THEO VON: Glyphosate. A lot of it has crap wheat. Yeah, a lot of it has guns. It’s like f*ing bullet holes in our wheat.

JOE ROGAN: You can test positive for coke just from that, just from eating wheat, just from having bread. Do you know how many dollar bills test positive for coke? It’s some crazy number.

THEO VON: Yeah, I could imagine that. That’s probably true. This guy tests positive, huh?

JOE ROGAN: That’s our…

THEO VON: Is that your stepdad?

Art Bell and Coast to Coast

JOE ROGAN: No, that’s Art Bell. You don’t know who Art Bell is? Coast to Coast with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye. Yeah, Pahrump, Nevada.

THEO VON: That’s him.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s Art. He’s the Godfather of fun conspiracies.

THEO VON: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: He’s like UFOs.

THEO VON: The radio station could listen at night.

JOE ROGAN: Dude, he was my nighttime jam. Coming home from the Comedy Store. I could see that always. Because you’re coming home from the Comedy Store. It’s one o’clock in the morning and the Art. Coast to Coast with Art Bell’s on. The guy calls up Art, “I’m a time traveler.” He had a time traveler hotline. He was you. He was you, you freak.

THEO VON: You know how many time travelers you’ve had in here?

JOE ROGAN: Probably a couple.

Art Bell and Late-Night Radio

THEO VON: Oh, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: At least one.

THEO VON: A couple. They probably can’t find their way home, too.

JOE ROGAN: At least one. I’ve had at least one. Time travelers.

THEO VON: No, dude, that’s you. I could totally picture it now. You get a car with some speakers in it, and you’re the only one driving around listening to Art Bell.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, there’s a lot of people listening. He was really popular.

THEO VON: Oh, no, I know how popular he was, but I mean, at a level where you would bump it. Oh, yeah, you loved it.

JOE ROGAN: Right, right, right? Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. You know, it’s like the perfect stuff to occupy your mind coming home from the Comedy Store. Because occasionally it was real, like, occasionally he’d have some people talking about some really fascinating things, you know, like asteroid impacts. And he had Terence McKenna on a few times. He had a lot of interesting people.

But then every now and then, he would mix it up with a dude who says he’s a werewolf. And Art would never go, “Man, you ain’t a werewolf.” He would go, “Interesting. Tell me more.” He let dudes talk. He let dudes say the most ridiculous sht. It was fing great. I got to do his show once.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I did it when I was on the radio or on the Internet, rather. He wasn’t on the radio anymore. He had an Internet radio show for a while.

THEO VON: Did he know who you were at that point or no?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, yeah, luckily. But to me, it was f, yeah. He’s a few things in my life where when I did him, I was yes. You know, that was a big one. I hung up the phone. I had a giant fing smile on my face.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I just did the Art Bell show, son.

Glasses and Looking Smart

THEO VON: Dude, that’s so cool that that’s him. I can’t tell if I can see him better with or without these on.

JOE ROGAN: I think it’s psychological. I’m telling you, those glasses don’t do a damn thing. They don’t even change the shape of your face. You know how sometimes people put them on, and I always go, how blind is this motherf*er? And I look to the side, and I can see their face cakes in a half a foot because they got giant magnifying glasses over their eyeballs.

But with you, it looks exactly the same. The line of your face doesn’t change at all when you turn side to side. I think they’re f*ing with you. I think they think you’re crazy. And they’re just give him some clear lenses. And you’re yeah, I think this works. I think I see better than these. I think y’all got a vape pen.

THEO VON: Let me hit that vape, homie.

JOE ROGAN: There is something about when people wear them, they look smarter.

THEO VON: Oh, for sure, dude. My friend was wearing them the other day, this girl. And I was dang, this girl is.

JOE ROGAN: She must be a genius.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Hot secretary.

THEO VON: Oh.

JOE ROGAN: Or hot professor. Hot lady professor.

THEO VON: Let me do some homework up in the undies. That’s what I was thinking. Let me get up in that study hall, baby girl. Baby girl.

JOE ROGAN: Extra credit points.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah, dude.

JOE ROGAN: But if you’re a dumb dude with glasses, that’s a bad look, because not only are you blind, but you’re f*ing stupid, too.

Making a Murderer

THEO VON: It was Steve Avery’s cousin, that little fellow that stood by the, was grilling hot dogs on that burn barrel. And remember when they, when they.

JOE ROGAN: Who’s Stephen Avery? The murders from the Netflix thing. From the, I think it was a pandemic, wasn’t it?

THEO VON: Making a Murderer. Was that him? I can’t remember.

JOE ROGAN: What was his case?

THEO VON: He was a murderer. Well, they said he was. Was he? The girl. Yes, he was a murderer.

JOE ROGAN: He’s in jail for it.

THEO VON: He’s in jail for it. And he had his little cousin.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, this is the guy that’s a little mentally challenged. Yeah, yeah, I read some stuff.

THEO VON: And his little cousin, that’s him, has shades on. Brendan Dassey. B. Dassey, who’s actually, we did a little bit of pen palling with him. Tried to. Anyway.

JOE ROGAN: What do they think about this? Do they think that, I think he did it. I think there was, I believe people said that the Netflix thing got edited strange and left stuff out.

THEO VON: That’s the thing. You can’t tell what’s real anymore. Who knows?

JOE ROGAN: Well, selective editing is crazy. It’s crazy that they still do that.

THEO VON: Everything’s crazy right now.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I know.

Government and Healthcare

THEO VON: I mean, I feel this is the year. Do you feel this is the year that people realize that both of the, neither side of the government is working for us? Is that a weird thing to say?

JOE ROGAN: Well, it’s true. It’s pretty obvious that it’s true.

THEO VON: Okay.

JOE ROGAN: They’re all working for the people that got them in. So no matter what, even if they’re good people that want to do well for you, their obligations, when they get in there are the people that help them get in there. They’re the campaign contributors. They’re the military industrial complex, the military contractors, the big money, big money banks, big money.

That’s what this, all this government shutdown sht was all about, man. It’s all about health care, right? So it’s all about how much money is getting funneled through these corporations. If you really think that what they’re trying to do is make sure that people get health care, you’re fing naive.

THEO VON: Yeah. You’re ridiculous.

JOE ROGAN: What they’re doing is they are protecting some kind of slush fund. Somebody digs into this and finds out where that money’s going and finds out how this money’s distributed, it’ll make more sense. Because there ain’t a f*ing chance in hell that they’re keeping the government shut down to protect your health.

Yeah, there’s not a chance. There’s not a chance. They’re shutting down the fing air traffic controllers. Not a chance. They’re shutting down NASA because they’re worried about you getting the flu. That sht is not happening. That’s not what’s going on.

The Post Office

THEO VON: But I think everybody’s starting to realize that. Dude, I went to the post office. Have you been to the post office recently?

JOE ROGAN: I have not. Not since I voted. That was the last time I was at the post office.

THEO VON: Okay, well, it’s over. So if you want to know what the post office is dude, I’m not even joking. I went into the closest branch near me in Nashville. There was two birds. There was two crows in there. One of them was a crow, definitely. One of them was a pretty big bird. And I thought it was a crow, but he had some discoloration or whatever. So maybe a mulatto crow or mixed crow or something.

JOE ROGAN: Okay.

THEO VON: Pulling a fing bot, fighting over a fing box in there. And there’s a lady, kind of a darker woman in there, and she’s spraying fing Lysol, trying to get them out of the fing post office. I was Lysol? Yeah. Or a Fabuloso. A cleaning spray. A disinfectant.

JOE ROGAN: Okay. Yeah, got it.

THEO VON: She’s standing on a little step ladder trying to, birds who were fighting over a fing package. I was we’re fed. We’re f*ed, man. That’s.

JOE ROGAN: And that’s, that’s the government, right? That’s biblical.

THEO VON: Yeah. I mean, I’m sure it seems an outtake, you know?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Yeah.

THEO VON: But I’m this is where we are. This is, this is how, everything’s privatized now. It’s a wrap. Do you feel it’s a wrap? I’ve been thinking for years that America just feels a shell company, a shell LLC.

JOE ROGAN: Here’s the thing about it being privatized. Some things probably should be privatized because they work better.

THEO VON: Okay, well, FedEx came along. UPS came along. So those came along.

JOE ROGAN: But the post office still does a good job, man.

THEO VON: No, I’m going to disagree with that. I’m sorry. I never disagree with you.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think the post office, the only people that are sending letters for you for 30 cents or whatever it costs. And then the post office of, the only way that you could ship chickens, live chicks, little baby chicks. They have to do it through the post office because they know what to do, and they keep them alive. They know their chicks.

THEO VON: That’s nice. I didn’t know that all the.

JOE ROGAN: We’ve had chickens, you know? And every chicken we get, when we get them, they’re baby chicks.

THEO VON: And they come in the mail.

JOE ROGAN: They got them through the post office, post office delivers them.

THEO VON: Can you hear the package?

JOE ROGAN: It’s yeah, bro, the post office, it works. It’s not perfect because it’s the government and there’s no government programs that are perfect, you know.

THEO VON: It doesn’t work that good anymore, though. I think it’s gotten so bad, dude. The post office maybe, bro, it’s gotten better. I sent my niece a birthday card, dude. She never got it. She never got it. It had money. It’s gone. It’s gone. She’ll never get it, bro.

JOE ROGAN: You know what I was saying?

THEO VON: Nobody getting anything.

Porch Pirates

JOE ROGAN: The videos of these people dropping off UPS packages, they take a picture of the package and then they steal the package. I’ve seen that. I’ve seen videos of that. I think people are kind of hip to what ring cameras could do. But bro, there’s a quite a while where people were doing some really fing horrible sht right in front of those cameras because they didn’t know. They didn’t know.

You can’t be just stealing people’s packages after you drop them off. The f*ing UPS driver, you know.

THEO VON: It’s a f*ing wild.

JOE ROGAN: A lot of videos of that, man. They put them down, take a picture and they pick them up, take them.

THEO VON: Back to the truck and take it back.

JOE ROGAN: And then the camera’s hey, f* face.

THEO VON: Yeah. Hey, motherf*er.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

THEO VON: Listen, man, they should have different ring camera, a voice this is Mr. T. You need to bring that package back, sucker.

JOE ROGAN: That is one of the dirtiest things. Porch pirates. People that are just stealing sh*t off.

THEO VON: Your porch to get that close to somebody’s house to be right there. That’s one thing I about living in a state where there is the ability to express something.

JOE ROGAN: You’re talking about guns bulletarily.

THEO VON: That’s all I can say it. There’s the ability to express something bulletarily to somebody if you disagree, if their behavior is illegal.

Self-Defense and Home Protection Laws

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, you got to be careful about what that though. The laws are different in different places. Like even if someone’s stealing something, you’re not allowed to kill them. A guy just got in trouble because some dudes, I think there was three dudes, broke into his garage and he went into his garage and they went after him and he shot them and he killed one of them.

And now they’re bringing him up for manslaughter because I guess they’re saying he didn’t have to shoot them, he could have just scared them or he didn’t have to kill them, he could have just retreated back into his home. Like in California they’re literally telling you.

THEO VON: Like a, I would just scare him with a gun, I guess.

JOE ROGAN: I guess. But you don’t know what they have. You don’t know what’s going on. These are split second decisions you’re making with your life in danger. And then if you have a wife and children, bro, you’re going to shoot first and ask questions later. You’re not going to make a mistake that’s going to have your kids killed.

THEO VON: You keep scared or what? You can’t say that kind of s*.

JOE ROGAN: No, bro, it’s scary. Someone’s breaking in your home, you have no idea what they have. You have no idea if they’re there to kill you. If you know I did rob you, if they’re going to duct tape you and torture you for a week. You don’t know what the f* is going on. And if you have a gun, you’re most likely going to use it and you’re going to shoot them.

And the fact that these people broke into his house, they were committing a crime and defending his property and maybe his life. He’s getting charged with manslaughter. That’s ridiculous. This is the problem with liberal politics and this is where I get really confused because I’m like, I don’t know what they’re trying to do, but if I was going to try to destroy civilization, that’s how I would do it.

Yeah, I would keep letting violent people out, keep saying it’s racist to keep them in jail. Keep saying, you know, they’re a victim of systematic racism and just let the violent people stay being violent. And then when people defend themselves, lock them up, have everybody scared.

Like, if you wanted to destroy society, you would do it exactly this way. And I don’t understand that. I don’t understand. It’s, I understand being a kind, compassionate person doesn’t believe in gun violence. Absolutely. But if that’s the case, there’s no better deterrent to gun violence than someone who has a gun and you can’t get to their house because they’ll f*ing shoot you. Okay? That’s a really good deterrent.

Unless you’re going to have police everywhere and you don’t. So who’s going to protect people from bad people if you’re going to admit that bad people exist? If you want to stop bad people from happening, that’s a conversation I’d love to have. That’s a real conversation. Let’s figure out how to clean up a lot of these neighborhoods and figure out what’s causing all these problems.

The Experiment of Modern Society

THEO VON: But nobody wants to do that, or it would have been done by now at this point. People just want to kind of keep these higher powers. They know what they’re doing. It just starts to feel like the experiment. We’re just really seeing the experiment. You know, it’s almost like, say, you were playing the game Mario or something. One day, Mario, instead of just going this way on the screen, he f*ing turns and looks at you and he’s like, I see what you’re doing.

That’s what it feels like we are right now. We’re looking right at the people controlling everything and be like, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, that’s all because of the Internet, dog.

THEO VON: But it feels like, was it for.

JOE ROGAN: The Internet, no one would be looking because we wouldn’t be getting these conversations right.

THEO VON: We still be, we’d still be. People would still be disillusioned.

JOE ROGAN: You’d be getting CNN. You’d be getting some horses version of what’s actually going on. But because the Internet, real independent journalists and people that are breaking things down, you start to go, wait a minute. What the f is going on?

THEO VON: Yeah. Who is.

JOE ROGAN: What? Who is doing this? Why are you doing it? Want some coffee, dog?

THEO VON: Can I have some?

JOE ROGAN: F*, yeah. Of course you can.

THEO VON: Oh, thanks, buddy. Yeah, man.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, we’re the first generation that has had. Cheers, my brother.

THEO VON: Cheers, man. Good to see you, dude.

JOE ROGAN: See you always.

THEO VON: Really. I’m excited to see you.

JOE ROGAN: Excited to see you, too. Always.

THEO VON: And I’m excited to see you a little clearer than I do.

Vision and Coffee Talk

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think you are. I think they got you. I think they’re f*ing with you, man. I think they’re giving you placebos, too. Yeah, I think they gave you. Let me take some whatever pills they give you. Let’s see what happens.

THEO VON: These are 15s. I think these are good 15s.

JOE ROGAN: What does that mean?

THEO VON: I don’t know, bro.

JOE ROGAN: He fogged up. He fogged up for the coffee. Gotcha.

THEO VON: Well, you f*ing gave me this molten coffee, dude.

JOE ROGAN: Black Rifle in the house. Is it always? That’s all we drink, dude.

THEO VON: I went, oh, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s.

THEO VON: Yeah, I’m just at the journalism now. I can’t. I know. This is too hot for me.

JOE ROGAN: It’s not that hot.

THEO VON: I’m going to need glasses for my tongue after I drink this.

JOE ROGAN: Dude, no, it isn’t. No, no. It’s an illusion. It’s warm. It’s decently hot. You know, nice.

THEO VON: Nice. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Refreshing. Yeah, refreshing. Not ouchy. Why can’t Starbucks figure that out?

THEO VON: Because I don’t even think that’s coffee anymore. Tom’s become like McDonald’s. It’s just a, it’s a.

JOE ROGAN: It’s burnt.

THEO VON: It’s a taste.

JOE ROGAN: It’s just a. I drink black coffee. That’s what I drink. That’s what I like. I got into it a while ago, years ago.

Coffee Origins and Quality

THEO VON: Rick Ross, bro. You know what?

JOE ROGAN: I got into it. Jamie, remember when we had that guy Peter Giuliani on? That was the coffee connoisseur that got me into. I started drinking black coffee from then on. That was a long time ago. At least 10 years ago, right? I had a real coffee connoisseur on.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Because I wanted to know all about coffee.

THEO VON: Like a sommelier kind of.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, man. Dude, it’s fat. He brought in a bunch of different coffees. We were tasting these Ethiopian blends that almost was lemony. He was like, you taste the hints of lemon.

THEO VON: I’m like, I do.

JOE ROGAN: Did you know all coffee comes from Ethiopia? Yes.

THEO VON: Some of it comes. I know from, there’s Kona coffee, isn’t there?

JOE ROGAN: Right. But it all originated in Ethiopia. That’s where the plant originated.

THEO VON: Oh, wow.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. So they moved it into South America. So they started making it in Colombia. They make it in Hawaii. Has bomb diggity coffee. Kona coffee is some of the best coffee in the world, I guess probably the soil, something about that.

THEO VON: We were also in Hawaii. If I drink my own p* in Hawaii, I’m still, it’s a little better than if I’m drinking it. And outside of Akron.

JOE ROGAN: Smoke stacks in the background. They’re drinking a liter of p*. Before you get in the sauna with your neighbor.

THEO VON: Before I get a little bag for my.

JOE ROGAN: Someone’s got a urine therapy protocol you have to take with your cocaine, dude.

THEO VON: Yeah, bro, even a hot batch of p* in Hawaii tastes way better.

JOE ROGAN: That’s so true. But I drink it in America. I used to order Kona coffee.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: But yeah, before I went Black Rifle exclusive.

THEO VON: Yeah. Well, I met the guy from Black Rifle. Evan. Right.

JOE ROGAN: Good friend of mine.

THEO VON: Nice guy.

JOE ROGAN: I love him to death.

THEO VON: Yeah, he took me around whenever I was there.

JOE ROGAN: He’s one of my absolute favorite people. Oh, I’m wearing one of his shirts. Look at that dog.

THEO VON: He treated me super well, dude.

JOE ROGAN: He’s the best dude.

THEO VON: Somebody’s. Oh, Candace Owens sent me that thing. It was.

JOE ROGAN: You got notes. She sent. You brought notes.

Memory and Brain Supplements

THEO VON: There’s things I wanted to talk about. I told him I forget them. It’s been hard for me to remember stuff.

JOE ROGAN: Okay. So I’ll help you out.

THEO VON: You will?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, yeah. You get some Alpha Brain. Take some. Have you ever, do you ever take vitamins for your brain? No. It works.

THEO VON: I will take some.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. There’s a bunch of different kinds. You should try what you like. But another real good one is this company, Neurogum. They make Neurogum and Neuromints.

THEO VON: I’ve heard you talk about it.

JOE ROGAN: That’s really good. There’s one called True Brain. They make it like a little shot. That’s really good.

THEO VON: Magic Mind. I know. Has one that I think is pretty good.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a different one. That’s a different kind. They use mushrooms, but that’s a good one too. I think synergistically they would all work well together. But there’s legit vitamins that work on your brain.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. That work on your memory.

THEO VON: Yeah. I wanted. Yeah, yeah. I’ll probably. I would like to talk about.

JOE ROGAN: I’ll give you some before we leave. I have some Alpha Brain Black Label around here somewhere. I definitely have a few bottles in the kitchen. But that’s the best Alpha Brain. I’ve tried them all. Even though I know I’m associated with Onnit. And I’m probably lying. I’m not. I tell you about all the other ones. I don’t make a penny off of them.

But Alpha Brain, I think is the best one. It’s the most effective and it’s the only one that I know of that did two double blind placebo controlled studies with the Boston Center for Memory.

THEO VON: Alpha Brain.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, so we did that because a lot of people were saying it was snake oil.

Boston Stories

THEO VON: The Boston Center for Memory, how many hits did you say, buddy, in 2001. You know, what year did the Sox make it into the series? Dude, one time I was going into a show. We were outside of Ball. We had a show outside of Boston. It’s like a theater. It’s like 15, 20 minutes away. And I’m walking in. I’m walking in late. Everybody’s already in there. I think the show had started.

So I’m coming in, and a guy and his wife were walking by with pizza. They’re heading in, and the guy’s like, “Dorothy, give him your f*ing pizza.”

JOE ROGAN: The guy’s starving.

THEO VON: He’s late for work. And I’m like, I’m fine. And first of all, why don’t you just give me your pizza, dude? He’s like, Dorothy, this kind of big back lady, she said that it’s muffling down a piece of pizza.

JOE ROGAN: Dude, he was trying to give, get you to give her pizza.

THEO VON: His wife to give me her pizza.

JOE ROGAN: But not his pizza. Yeah, interesting. That’s a bad relationship.

THEO VON: Dorothy. Can’t you see the guys? He’s running late for work.

JOE ROGAN: He’s trying to tell his wife he’s fat. And he’s doing it a subtle way.

THEO VON: Well, he was using me, so I’m like, he was using Dorothy. I’m fine, you know?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he was using you, but it.

THEO VON: Was just, I was like, just Boston thing, or he was just trying.

JOE ROGAN: To have some conversation. It might have been that maybe we’re looking into it too much.

THEO VON: Dude, I had a dream you were an EMT, dude. Have you ever had that? Really?

JOE ROGAN: You had a dream I was an EMT?

THEO VON: Yeah, I’ve had it two times.

The Army Taekwondo Team Dream

JOE ROGAN: That really, I was tending to car accidents and stuff.

THEO VON: Yeah, really. And I think it was in Boston. I think that’s what even made me think about it.

JOE ROGAN: I could have gone down that route in life, maybe, if things have been different. That’s possible. I could have saw that. That could have happened. I almost joined the army when I was 18 for their taekwondo team. There was a dude, God, I think his name was Clay Barber. He was one of the national competitors that I looked up to when I was on my way up.

And he was in the army, and he had the army paid him to train. And I was like, “Oh, shit. You could join the army and they’ll pay you to compete,” because they had an army boxing team. I believe Ray Mercer was on the army boxing team when he fought in the Olympics and won the gold medal.

THEO VON: Do you have to be, but do you also have to do service as well? Is that him?

JOE ROGAN: No, he was a black guy. Oh, there’s a. See, the Taekwondo. See, says right there to the right. Yeah, the one with the right, where it says his name right there. Click on that. The one that your cursor’s over. Dog Clay Barber. Right there. Yeah. So he was really good in, I guess it was probably like ’86 or, yeah, somewhere around. I was 18, so it had to be ’85 or ’86.

THEO VON: Ooh, baby girl.

JOE ROGAN: But that, that’s the dude right there. He was an elite national competitor in my weight class.

THEO VON: He’ll kick a f*ing whisper out of your mouth. That dude’s a gangster, huh?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he was really good. But he was competing for the army team, and so I was like, maybe I should join the army. And then I thought about, I was like, I don’t want to get shot. What am I doing? I don’t trust anybody.

THEO VON: Did you even try on the clothes at home or anything? Did you do anything?

JOE ROGAN: No, I didn’t try the clothes in the miracle. I’m like, no, we’re good.

The Goggins EMT Fantasy

THEO VON: Yeah, dude. Yeah, I guess. I don’t know if I could see you being in the army, but yeah, it was just a dream. It was just, I think it was you and Goggins, I think, were maybe EMTs or whatever.

JOE ROGAN: That sounds like something Goggins would do.

THEO VON: But y’all did not fing, you guys did not deal with anybody’s bullshit. You guys showed up and you were like, “Get the f up.” You’re like, “What the, you f*ing pussy.” I don’t even think you had any, I don’t think you had even a step. You had a whistle. You’re like, “Bullshit.”

JOE ROGAN: You know what Goggins does a lot of people don’t know about? He smoke jumps.

THEO VON: Oh, really?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, like, for smoking.

THEO VON: Play high school basketball.

JOE ROGAN: That’s very different. It’s very different. He parachutes into fires.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah. That’s not it.

JOE ROGAN: In Canada, for fun. Because it’s hard. Oh, literally. Because it’s hard to do. Dude’s worth like $30 million. He jumps out of fing planes with parachutes, and he sent me a photo of a giant ass fing grizzly track. They landed in Canada at this place and right where they landed to fight these fires, there’s a grizzly track. And he was like, “Wish me luck.” I was like, “Dude, get the f out of there. You see that track? Get the f out of there. That’s an 1,100 pound wild dog.”

THEO VON: And he just does it because he wants to, because it’s hard to do. You’re landing just in the smoke.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

THEO VON: Now when you get in there, do they have a plan of where you’re going? Is it fire? It’s firemen and fire women there, I think.

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s a lot of different tasks that they do, but one of them is you’re digging a fire break. So you dig, a lot of what happens is embers land on the ground and then it starts a fire, right? So what they do is they’ll clear the ground for a wide area where the fire is coming. So the fire’s on its way, they’ll get ahead of the fire and then they’ll clear a giant path on the ground.

THEO VON: Baby girl, that would scare me.

JOE ROGAN: It’s scary.

THEO VON: That would scare me.

JOE ROGAN: Guys die. I mean they 100%, they get trapped and they die. Yeah, the wind shifts, things sometimes, things are unpredictable. But he does it just because it’s hard. He’s so crazy.

THEO VON: Does he have to sign a con? He must have to sign something, huh?

David Goggins: The Real Deal

JOE ROGAN: Bro, I don’t know what he does. He doesn’t, I bet he doesn’t even tell him he’s David Goggins. He just shows up. I’m telling you, man, he’s a different cat. He’s the real deal. He’s not pretending to do all these things, right? You seen those videos where he takes UFC fighters on workouts and they’re dying?

He took Israel Adesanya. Israel Adesanya, two time middleweight f*ing champion of the world. One of the best to ever do it. Elite athlete dying, I mean, couldn’t keep up. Goggins was talking to him like, “Come on, son, keep going.” He’s throwing up in a garbage can. No bullshit. It’s crazy to watch because you realize the level of conditioning this guy has. He’s 50 years old, he’s not doing it for any reason. He’s not getting ready for the World Series, he’s not in the Super Bowl.

THEO VON: What do you think he’s proving it to himself?

JOE ROGAN: You’d have to ask him.

THEO VON: I mean, I guess the challenge is.

JOE ROGAN: Doing, learning things I’m downloading lessons. Yeah, he’s just, he’s that guy, man. There’s a lot of, what is that? What is it? The tracks. The grizzly tracks. Oh, show me, show me. I sent it to you, right? Yeah. Put your headphones on.

THEO VON: All right.

JOE ROGAN: Check this out. Show me, show me, show me. What?

THEO VON: Remember that song?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. The one that makes me scream. Yeah. Yeah. The Cure.

THEO VON: The Cure, yeah. They were good. And they passed away, huh?

JOE ROGAN: Did they?

THEO VON: I think before they.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I don’t think, well, there’s multiple members. Did that guy pass away? That lead singer, the Cures. The Cure, rather. What’s mad, Jamie? Well, I had it on my phone. I didn’t have it on my computer. Yeah. And I didn’t do it, dude.

THEO VON: If you were.

JOE ROGAN: Why don’t you send it to me and I’ll send it to you. You’ll have it on your computer. I found it on.

THEO VON: Dude, if you were in EMT, that’d be sick. Huh?

JOE ROGAN: I think it’s a bummer, man.

THEO VON: I don’t even think you’d get out of the vehicle. You’d pull up and be like, “Get the f* up.”

JOE ROGAN: I’d probably be.

THEO VON: And the Goggins would go, “Help him, Goggles. But get the f* off. You little pussy.”

JOE ROGAN: Just send it to me and I’ll send it to you. Oh, here it is. Here it is. That’s good. Give me some volume. Look at that. These grizzly bear prints, man. Look at these, dude. They’re as big as my foot. This is a massive fing grizzly bear. Look at that, dude. Massive fing grizzly. Look at that paw. That’s crazy. This is f*ing a massive ass grizzly bear. And as you see.

THEO VON: Where’s it going?

JOE ROGAN: He walks right through there, through those woods.

THEO VON: So probably over the mountain.

JOE ROGAN: We are in big time grizzly bear territory, bro. That’s so sketchy.

THEO VON: That’s cool.

JOE ROGAN: That’s so sketchy. He sent me that. Yeah. Because I was like, what are you doing? He sends me that.

THEO VON: This is what I’m doing. Other people are like, I’m watching football, right?

JOE ROGAN: He’s like, I just f*ing parachuted into grizzly country. Oh, man. There’s nothing scarier than them big animals like that. Nothing scarier.

Childhood Fears and Pedophiles

THEO VON: I get the most scared, honestly, in my life. When I was young, they had a lot of pedophiles in our area. And I think that kind of made me nervous. But probably being in the ocean, you.

JOE ROGAN: Had a lot of pedophiles in your neighborhood.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: How many?

THEO VON: I mean, I think at least three is enough for a small area.

JOE ROGAN: Three is more than enough.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: How come nobody did anything about it?

THEO VON: They did. I mean, they put them in our neighborhood.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, how come nobody arrested them?

THEO VON: Oh, they’d been arrested. Yeah. These were guys who were released. Yeah. They used to have this thing. Remember when they had this, I wonder when that rule was. It was like the pedophiles had to go around door to door.

JOE ROGAN: Oh. And let everybody know that we’re pedophiles.

THEO VON: Right, right.

JOE ROGAN: That was a law that they passed. You had to alert people that a sex offender had moved into the neighborhood.

THEO VON: Well, we lived, our mom worked all the time, and we were just at home all the time. So you’d have pedophiles literally come to.

JOE ROGAN: The door and let you know.

THEO VON: Yeah. And like, “Is your mom home?” And be like, “No.” And they were like, “Well, I’m a pedophile.”

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s a problem.

THEO VON: Come back after six, you know. But so it was just crazy, but then at least you did know who the people were. But it was definitely weird that you’re setting and they don’t live in nice neighborhoods, you know? Now there’s a lot of billionaire pedophiles that our government protects and stuff, but back then, you really think so? I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know either. That’s what makes me nervous. I don’t know.

THEO VON: I mean, they just said that thing that came out about the Trump Epstein thing. That whole thing is just a kickball at this point. I feel like, bro, have you ever.

Tim Dillon and The Franklin Scandal

JOE ROGAN: Seen that video of me and Tim Dillon where Tim Dillon is laying out the scandal that took place in, was it the 1970s, Jamie? The Franklin scandal? What year was that, bro?

THEO VON: We all dressed up like astronauts. Or was that the one?

JOE ROGAN: Me and Tim Dillon?

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Well, no, we’re dressed normal.

THEO VON: Okay.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t even think he had the crazy glasses on back then. That was before he was protecting his eyes. Now he protects his eyes. ’88, play that video. I sent it to you, right? This video is nuts, man. This was, Tim laid this out quite a while ago, and I kind of forgot about it until it popped up on my feed. I was like, “Oh, shit.” And then I said, I could send it back to you if you need me.

THEO VON: Thank God for Tim Dillon.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, my God, he’s the best. There’s never been a better ranter ever in the history of ranting.

THEO VON: Ever.

JOE ROGAN: Ever.

THEO VON: Sin 2 I bet there was somebody a long time ago that was good. But we don’t have enough of his work to really compete against him.

JOE ROGAN: He’s the funniest by far. He’s the most sarcastic, the most tongue in cheek, and the most well read.

THEO VON: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: The thing about Tim Dillon is he doesn’t just go with narratives because he thinks that you want him to say certain things, you know what I mean? He’s very, very well read and he forms his opinions based on facts and then turns it into humor. Yeah, he’s the f*ing man. Play. This scandal was a.

THEO VON: It was a scandal out of Omaha.

The Franklin Credit Union Scandal

JOE ROGAN: Nebraska, the Franklin Credit Union, where there was a guy who was embezzling money and then he was being investigated for that.

THEO VON: But they said he’s all.

JOE ROGAN: He has all this money because he’s running an interstate pedophile network and he’s pandering kids to people in Washington, D.C. and New York. And it was a headline in the Washington Post and the Washington Times that were like, “Call Boys Get a Tour.”

THEO VON: Of the Reagan White House.

JOE ROGAN: Unidentified White House aides in the Carter, Reagan and Bush administrations now are being investigated for using the services of a call boy ring.

THEO VON: The paper reports that two of the.

JOE ROGAN: Male prostitutes were given a late night tour of the White House last year. This was a scandal with real victims who wanted to testify. And then people started dying. The private investigator they hired, his plane broke up. One of the girls that testified was found guilty of perjury and she was put in solitary confinement. They had to use two grand juries in Omaha to get rid of this scandal.

Now, it’s not as sexy as like.

THEO VON: A pizza gate or something because it.

JOE ROGAN: Happened in the 80s and 90s, but this shows you the blueprint for the government using marshaling resources to silence people that were victims of this stuff. This is not new. Congressmen, senators, blackmail being used by intelligence agencies. None of it’s new. It was pioneered by the Mafia. You having sex with somebody who’s underage, then they own you forever. They have photo, audio, video of you doing that. Wild.

So if that existed at all in the 1990s, that Mitch McConnell guy was around back then. A lot of these Nancy Pelosi type people, they’ve been around since. There’s photos of Nancy Pelosi with JFK. Think of that. That was before we didn’t go to the moon. Yeah, it’s 1963.

THEO VON: That was before Israel didn’t kill him.

JOE ROGAN: You think so.

THEO VON: I didn’t say anything.

JOE ROGAN: I heard you say Israel killed him.

THEO VON: You did.

JOE ROGAN: That’s what I heard.

THEO VON: Jamie, did you put something in this?

JOE ROGAN: The glasses. They didn’t do it. Oh. Before Israel didn’t do it. Oh, I see what you did. I think.

THEO VON: I didn’t say anything.

JOE ROGAN: I think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

THEO VON: Lee Harvey Oswald went to my middle school. Do you know that?

JOE ROGAN: No.

THEO VON: Yep.

JOE ROGAN: What? No shit? Was there a plaque?

THEO VON: No. We did have a thing.

JOE ROGAN: There was a thing that everybody recognized.

THEO VON: LHO. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: LHO. That’s what you guys called them?

THEO VON: Yeah.

Tom Cruise and Scientology

JOE ROGAN: Like L. Ron Hubbard. LHR. They all salute L. Ron Hubbard. Salute LHR. With the big. Ever see Tom Cruise with a big pie plate medal? He got a medal for being the most awesome guy ever.

THEO VON: He did?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. From Scientology. And he salutes the photo. A science fiction writer, bro. It’s the kookiest thing.

THEO VON: You never seen my plate, bro.

JOE ROGAN: You’ve never seen those Scientology awards?

THEO VON: Nuh.

JOE ROGAN: They’re.

THEO VON: I can see them eating a lot of desserts. Really? They’re amazing.

JOE ROGAN: They’re amazing.

THEO VON: I didn’t even know that.

JOE ROGAN: Look at that podcast. Okay. These are the times we will all remember.

THEO VON: Were you there? What did you do?

JOE ROGAN: I think you know that I am there for you.

THEO VON: And I do care.

JOE ROGAN: So very, very, very much.

THEO VON: What is this about? Is this a Marie Callenders ad?

JOE ROGAN: Bro, what this is is amazing. Just watch this, okay?

THEO VON: Sorry.

JOE ROGAN: Because we’re counting on you. 2 LRH. 2 LRH. Crazy, right, bro? You want a Mission Impossible guy, You want that guy. That’s what you get.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Okay. You don’t get a normal dude who’s that good at acting. You got a f*ing crazy person who’s.

THEO VON: That good at being himself with a.

JOE ROGAN: Pie plate around his neck, a golden pie plate for being the most awesome guy ever salutes a science fiction author who’s, by the way, one of the worst writers in the history of writing.

THEO VON: Elrond. I’ve done the thing in New York where they try to electrocute you and see if you care about him or whatever.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, I got that.

THEO VON: You know what I’m talking about.

JOE ROGAN: I did that in San Diego.

THEO VON: You did?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was filming a TV show down there. We were in the middle of a break while we’re filming, and they had a conference table set up. It was like, “Free personality test.” And I was like, what is this? And I kind of knew what it was. I knew it was dianetics, which is Scientology.

But the guy was like, they made him do it. You could tell he was not enthusiastic at all about it. He would ask you questions about, has one of your pets died? That kind of shit. He’d hold his E meter and it would just. I’m like, how does this work? What is actually making this happen? I had all these questions that he had no answers for. And then I started.

THEO VON: Of course you did. That’s your whole life.

JOE ROGAN: L. Ron Hubbard wrote more fiction than any human being that’s ever lived. He wrote more things that were not true, more published fiction than any human being in the history of all human beings. That guy. The guy that created Scientology. And you know how he did was all terrible. He never wrote a second draft. Everything was just nonsense.

THEO VON: One hit wonder.

JOE ROGAN: One hit wonder.

THEO VON: Just.

JOE ROGAN: That’s kind of typing brave. He was nuts. He was out of his mind.

THEO VON: But people liked it enough, though.

JOE ROGAN: Did you ever see that show? They didn’t, though. He wasn’t successful until he really started. I mean, he was. He did a lot of those goofy magazines and stuff. This is a long time ago, you gotta realize. But then once he started religion, that’s when things took off. That’s when started making money. Gave himself a lot of. He gave himself a bunch of awards, too. You ever see, he had. He wore a jacket and he had all these awards on his chest that he had given himself.

THEO VON: That’s crazy.

JOE ROGAN: They loved.

THEO VON: They give awards. That’s like the Golden Globes or whatever.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, same thing.

THEO VON: You know, it really is.

JOE ROGAN: They give themselves awards for being the most awesome people.

Unraveling Institutions

THEO VON: How crazy. I mean, that whole. It’s all weird, but that’s what I feel. I feel like all of these balls of yarn that used to feel like they made so much sense and they kept us warm and they gave us senses of purpose. I feel like all of them are becoming unraveled.

But it makes you wonder what’s going to happen now. Are we. Because these are a lot of things that have felt like some of the blueprints of our existence, you know?

JOE ROGAN: You know what makes me nervous?

THEO VON: Does it make any sense to you when I say that? Because that’s kind of what I guess I’m most scared about. I think, even this year, it’s like some of my sense of purpose or, I just worry that other people don’t have a sense of purpose or what’s going on, and it makes me kind of scared sometimes.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s a good perspective. And I think it’s accurate. What makes me nervous is the people that are not aware that all of our assumptions of how the government works were all based on bullshit. The people that still believe that are true believers of one side or the other, true faith in government and experts. Those people make me more nervous because some of them are smart.

That’s what’s crazy. When smart people are completely unwilling to recognize that conspiracies are not just real, but they’re also not rare. They’re very common. They’re common and people get away with them. Especially when they’re in positions of extreme power, like running intelligence agencies.

And there’s a lot of things that they do that are morally reprehensible but totally legal. They can do it because they’re allowed to, because they are a three letter organization and they have ultimate power to do a lot of really gross things that are in the nature or in the interest of national security. So this is the whole idea behind it. They say, this is our decision. This is the best move for national security. This is how we compromise assets. This is how we gather information. This is how we keep America safe.

FBI and CIA Working Against Citizens

THEO VON: But why is it our FBI and CIA are working against us? That’s what it feels like. They’re just tricking us about it.

JOE ROGAN: It feels like they’re tricking some people on purpose.

THEO VON: But why? Why is that even their goal? I thought that they.

JOE ROGAN: Because they’re trying to arrest people. So this is the problem with your career. This has been explained to me by a lot of people that are experts and people that know. John Karakow explained it this way. Your reputation is based on how successful you have been arresting people, cracking cases.

And so people set up cases so they can break them. They basically set up an escape room. Like, I know how to get out of here. And that. They’re just like a regular wizard that stumbled into the escape room. No, you set the whole thing up.

THEO VON: Yeah, that’s what it is. Well, it’s the same as a bunch of those stories. Oh, I think it’s the same even with Hollywood. I remember one day I was walking in the Century City Mall over there. It’s in Los Angeles. It’s off of Santa Monica Boulevard. And there was a blue.

JOE ROGAN: Collar guy walking by.

THEO VON: He had him, he was working construction. They were building something there. And I was like. He’s like, “Theo, what’s up, man?” So we’re talking for a minute. I was like, what are y’all building? He’s like, dude, you never going to believe this. We’re building. He’s like, 10, 10 floors, 20 floor building. 10 floors are talent agency, and the other 10 floors are for the CIA.

And I was like, what? I was like, just in the same building. Just happened to be. That’s what you’re buildings. He’s like, yep, that’s what we’re building. And he wasn’t lying. I don’t think he was lying to me. It just seemed like a.

JOE ROGAN: It was just weird mixture. Yeah, right.

THEO VON: But I think that this starts to happen. News stories get created, right?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

THEO VON: Things get. Whether they’re fiction or whatever goes on. You don’t even know a lot of times what’s new stories. You can send actors out to create a scene. You see a video, you believe it, and then they make movies.

JOE ROGAN: That’s been done before, right? It’s been done before.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah, there was. But then you see movies and stuff come out later about it. So it’s like you’re almost creating your own news to then make a. Based on a real story, you know.

JOE ROGAN: I’m talking about, it’s all this, I guess. Yeah. Like, they let the talent agencies know that they’re about to do this, so you can start casting dramatic.

THEO VON: It makes sense because it’s like, then you’re just here.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, God.

THEO VON: But it’s just like, what do we do?

The Power of Media and War Propaganda

JOE ROGAN: You know, they’ve been doing this forever. They’ve been shaping our views of war. And, you know, that’s one of the reasons why they started making all these war movies. Do you know that?

Okay, so in World War I, one of the problems that they had was people didn’t want to be over there killing people. And so people were shooting, but they weren’t shooting at the actual enemy. They would, like, shoot over their heads or shoot to the left of them or to the right of them. They didn’t want to kill people.

And they realized, like, that you take people, just regular people from the city and from the farm, and put them in a uniform and tell them they have to go kill people. This is no YouTube back then. No television back then.

THEO VON: Right.

JOE ROGAN: So their ideas of what’s right and wrong are all based on their life, their actual life. And so then they realized, well, we’ve got to do something about that. And so after that, they started creating all these really patriotic war movies where the guys are heroes. They go over and they shoot all the bad guys, and then they’re awesome.

So then the next group of people that go to war are all going to be indoctrinated with these films. And these films are that America is the best and we’re number one. We’re going to go over there and this is how you get all the girls. You’d be a hero and go over there and shoot those Germans.

THEO VON: Yeah. Come back and play with a kid.

JOE ROGAN: Exactly. Come back and get ridden like a cowboy. Yeah.

THEO VON: Tits will be here when you get off the boat.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, baby girl. And that’s what they did. They see that and I mean, makes sense for sure.

THEO VON: It’s your advertising.

JOE ROGAN: The CIA and, you know, various federal organizations have a say in how America’s portrayed in movies, right? It’s like, if you’re going to get access to, if you’re going to do some film on, you know, the Pentagon or something like that, you bet this better make us look good.

You know, they’re not going to let you make them look like a bunch of bumbling fing retards that are just doing it for their career. No, you better make us look good. You can’t fake what the Pentagon is, bh. You know, and you’re like, okay, sir, tell me how you’d like Mr. Cruz to talk about his work.

And, you know, you’d make them look like the most awesome human beings that have ever been. So that way you want to support them, you want to fund them, and you want to listen to them when they talk it on the news.

THEO VON: Well, in a lot of the projects, I think they have to have people from these organizations that come and oversee how the organization is presented, right?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

THEO VON: So it’s like, if you want to do something where the Navy’s involved, you have to have people there from the Navy that are overseeing it and making sure that everything is presented to, you know, to be true to the Navy. But also there could be maybe some manipulation there.

But we just had Gary Sinise’s on the podcast, man, it was really cool.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, he’s cool, dude.

Gary Sinise and Supporting Veterans

THEO VON: If you ever want to donate to something where people do, man. What just an impressive, his whole organization.

JOE ROGAN: What is he doing?

THEO VON: Well, he does a lot of stuff for veterans, right? He does a lot of stuff for first responders, you know, or EMTs. He does a lot of stuff for, he does this thing where they take kids who have lost a parent in military action. He takes them to Disney World every year, like this big group of them, you know, but just really does it.

You know, he has a band that plays. There’s a bunch of organizations. He was one of the first responders out there feeding people, feeding the first responders who were there at the Palisades when that happened. Just a lot of neat stuff. Take heart.

JOE ROGAN: Did you ever think you’d be in the position you’re in where you’re just having all these weird conversations with interesting people? Because this is not like…

THEO VON: No.

JOE ROGAN: When I first met you, I would have never suspected that this would be a path that you would go down.

THEO VON: Yeah, not at all.

JOE ROGAN: You know, it’s interesting that you went down that. What led you to want to start doing that?

Finding a Voice Through Podcasting

THEO VON: Well, I think a couple of things. I think, well, I think I didn’t know I was kind of competitive in some ways, you know. I think I’m kind of competitive. I want to see what’s possible that’s maybe inside of me, you know?

JOE ROGAN: So competitive with yourself or competitive with other people that are also doing it?

THEO VON: Just competitive. Because I think there was, I felt like maybe some people thought this thing like, oh, this guy can’t do it. You know, I don’t think that’s, I think there were some people that are maybe like, oh, I’m surprised that this guy enjoys this or likes doing it, but I think there was like, yeah, that this guy can’t do it.

And I just never had a voice when I was a kid, you know, I never had a voice.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

THEO VON: You know, so much of my childhood, I think I just couldn’t even speak up for myself. I don’t even wanted to say, I didn’t even know what my feelings were. Right. I just, I just, it just felt tough, you know?

And so I think when, yeah, when I started to kind of get into podcasting, have a little bit more of a voice, and then to get to talk to some people that are, that I felt like were important, that weren’t getting voices.

We had a doctor from Gaza on last year or this year, and that was a moment for me. I was like, oh, this is important stuff, you know. Other people aren’t putting this voice out there, right? Some people are, but the mainstream media, I don’t feel like was doing a good job of it.

JOE ROGAN: That’s not what they do, you know. I mean, the reason why we can do what we do is because there’s not really anyone over there doing. They never figured this out before. They never figured out that, hey, there’s a lot of people that are in their car for hours every day. They’re on the train for hours every day. They’re in the gym, they’re doing different stuff where they want to listen to things.

Or when they come home, they don’t want to watch late night TV, they want to watch an interesting conversation, you know?

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: That just, they didn’t know that that was a thing. That’s all that was. We snuck in. I think we snuck in. I think they had no idea. They thought this was just sh*y radio.

THEO VON: Yeah. You know, and I think my whole life, I think people looked at me and thought, oh, this dude’s just fing shy radio. Or I felt like that in a way, you know?

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think…

THEO VON: And I still think it is my show. I mean, look, I feel lucky at every show. We work hard, you know, with podcasting. I feel lucky to get to talk to a lot of people. I don’t think we do a lot information type of stuff, you know.

And I wish we could do better with that. Sometimes I think maybe that’s a goal of my next year, is to try to learn more stuff just in the day to day so I can have conversations that are maybe more important, but then also maybe that’s not what I’m supposed to do. And I’m just supposed to be just having conversations that are fun.

The Importance of Authenticity

JOE ROGAN: Well, it’s what you’re supposed to do, if that’s what you want to do. But what I think is the only important thing. The only important thing is what you want to do. Yeah. And to be genuinely curious about whatever you’re talking about.

THEO VON: I agree.

JOE ROGAN: And then hopefully be talking to someone who’s telling the truth. That’s where it gets weird. Now, sometimes people will be charismatic and they’ll be very persuasive, but it turns out they have an agenda. They’re not telling the truth, and you might not know that. That becomes a problem.

THEO VON: Yeah. I realize that some people are taking advantage of the fact that they’ll come on, and sometimes I’ve been a little bit naive to think that somebody would do that. But people do do that.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, 100%. Like heads of state. You know, if you’re going to have someone who’s the president of a country that’s in the middle of a war and they want to come on your podcast and talk, you’re not going to get anything objective. You’re going to get them selling that they’re the good guys.

And that’s weird. That’s a weird one, because unless you’re an absolute expert in what is going on in that region and you know exactly what’s true and what’s not, there’s two very compelling and very loud narratives. You know, good luck. Good luck sorting out that conversation.

I’m not interested in having those conversations, but I am interested in having conversations with people that I think are intriguing, you know, that I think are being honest. And whether I agree with them or not, they’re being honest and they’re intriguing. That’s what I like.

THEO VON: Yeah. And I think some of that is me learning a little bit more. I mean, I think I do like having stuff where people have more feelings and their stories about stuff, you know, so that’s something that I would maybe like to focus on more next year.

Like people’s genuine, genuine human experiences, you know, like a guy or a woman or a kid, somebody who’s been through something, you know, wants to share some of that. Right. So maybe that’s something I’ll try to get into a little bit more.

I don’t know. But, yeah, I just feel lucky. My mom listens to my podcast every week, you know, and we never got to spend any time together when I was a kid, so sometimes that kind of even keeps me going, you know. It’s like, she’s our biggest fan, and so it’s weird.

JOE ROGAN: Got to make her proud.

Healthcare Transparency and Medical Costs

THEO VON: It was just so weird when I was a kid, she didn’t have any time, and then now she just loves it. Yeah, I think. Yeah. I don’t know. And it’s just afforded me a lot of just neat opportunities. Yes.

And I was talking to people, we got to learn about the healthcare last year and how a lot of these political parties have put forward these presidential—what’s it called when they sign something like an executive order. Right. That price transparency needs to happen with healthcare. Right.

And so that was something that I realized was super important to me because Bernie Sanders agrees with it, Trump agrees with it. Thomas Massie agrees with it. Ro Khanna agrees with it. There’s all these people that say they agree with it, and everybody says. But it never really gets to where it needs to be. Right.

So you can go to a place, and a hospital can charge you anything for an MRI. Right. They’re supposed to show their prices, like a menu. And if they do that, then they have to compete. You could call two places. This person’s like, well, it’s $30,000 bucks. And this person’s like, no, it’s $700 bucks. So you’re going to go there.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

THEO VON: But they keep it vague. So they can keep the prices really high, and then they can keep this whole insurance rigmarole going on.

The Problem with Private Healthcare

JOE ROGAN: Well, they’re private corporations. That’s what’s not in the private companies own hospitals. They’re private, so that’s part of what they can do for your best interest. What they’re there is to make the most money possible.

And one of the ways they do that is they’re incentivized to give you certain medications financially. Financially incentivized to give you certain pharmaceutical products. And they make more money if they do that.

I had Mary Talley Bowden on the podcast. She’s a respiratory physician, and she was saying that if she vaccinated all of her patients, she has a very small practice. She vaccinated all of her patients for Covid. She would have made $1.5 million. Wow. That’s motivation.

Someone’s not going to give you objective advice unless they’re a really good person, like she is. They’re not going to give you objective advice. What they’re going to say is, hey, they say you should take it. I say you should take it, too, because I want to go golfing.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I want a BMW, and I want to go golfing. So take it.

THEO VON: I don’t care if you’re in a f*ing wheelchair in three weeks and a myocarditis.

JOE ROGAN: I want an M5. I’ve got it picked out already. I want the carbon interior, carbon fiber accents.

THEO VON: It’s just—

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. So. But like a trap.

Medical Debt Crisis

THEO VON: It’s a trap. But learning about that kind of stuff. Things like that used to be like, oh, this is a little—because that means something to me, you know, because then you think there are people probably right now that are afraid to go get healthcare because then it messes up your credit. Right. The number one cause of bankruptcy in America is medical debt.

JOE ROGAN: Yep.

THEO VON: That’s crazy.

JOE ROGAN: It’s crazy.

THEO VON: So now you’re in debt, and now this is the stress of that. It’s like—

JOE ROGAN: Also, the problem is this system is so deeply intertwined in our society that to unwind it now and somehow or another start some sort of competent social medicine. But that’s the other problem, is socialized medicine has not been effective anywhere, everywhere else.

It’s really a difference between money. If you have money in America and you break your leg, you can go to a really good doctor and you get your leg fixed.

THEO VON: Break your leg.

JOE ROGAN: Right. If you have money, if you have socialized medicine and you’re in England, for instance, I have a lot of friends in England that they use the socialized medicine there. They have it in Canada.

My friend in Canada, it took her a year to get a knee reconstruction, and they did a terrible job of it. They repaired her ACL and she’s still—she’s f*ed. Can’t fully straighten her leg out.

THEO VON: Yeah. Every time she f*ing look. Yeah. She just moonwalks everywhere.

JOE ROGAN: She got a limp, a noticeable limp, and they just f*ed it up. They did a shitty job. And look, that could happen in America, too, but you could get an operation quicker here. But it’s really just money.

And the real problem with America is that you could have something really wrong with you, and you have insurance, and then your insurance denies you coverage for what’s wrong with you. Like Ben Askren. You know the story with Ben Askren.

THEO VON: I know he’s been getting better, right?

Insurance Coverage Failures

JOE ROGAN: He’s been getting better. He had a double lung transplant. He had lung. And the insurance didn’t cover it. How could you not cover that? The guy gets sick. It turns out he’s a very rare—I think it was like a staph infection or some kind of bacterial infection that was eating his lungs.

They had to put him on a respirator. He was on a respirator for a long time. Then they had to give him a double lung transplant. And insurance companies didn’t cover it.

THEO VON: Yeah, it’s like, what are you even there for? And then the stress. Imagine his wife probably, or him is in and out of consciousness. He has to call them probably. And just the stress of like, we can’t do it. Can you fill out these things? Just. It’s almost like they just want to kill you with the stress.

JOE ROGAN: It’s just they just want to spend the least amount of money possible and make the most amount of money possible.

THEO VON: But when does it all—

JOE ROGAN: UnitedHealth. There’s something about United Healthcare that’s attached to this government shutdown bill too. The reason why they were shutting down the—there’s something about the flow of money to UnitedHealthcare, which is, you know that company where that guy got assassinated?

Everybody cheered also because Luigi’s kind of hot, good looking guy.

THEO VON: I didn’t, I didn’t see it.

JOE ROGAN: You didn’t see Luigi? No, I’m joking.

THEO VON: Yeah, I thought he’s good looking. Pretty good. I mean, he’s fine. Yeah, I like women.

JOE ROGAN: Handsome hero. Yeah, but still, I’m not saying you don’t like women, but, you know, I’m not saying you f* alligators, but, you know, one looks like, yeah.

THEO VON: Hey, I ain’t gay, but I’ll hold it in my mouth.

JOE ROGAN: If I told you it’s alligator, you wouldn’t be like, bro, I’m not gay. Yeah, you would say, yes, it is an alligator.

THEO VON: You my buddy. Oh, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You know what I’m saying? I’m saying Luigi’s handsome. And you’re like, I’m not gay. And I’m like, that’s not what I asked.

THEO VON: Right.

JOE ROGAN: I asked you if you can see things. Take those shitty fake glasses off. Maybe you could tell Luigi’s a handsome—

THEO VON: Man helping or not.

MK Ultra Theories

JOE ROGAN: You know, a lot of people think that Luigi was like some MK Ultra thing. They tricked him and hypnotized him and got him to go in and shoot that guy.

THEO VON: Well, I think there’s a lot of that going on. And yes, I did have dinner at Candace Owens house recently. So maybe, you know, there’s definitely a lot of conspiratorial foods on the menu over there, you know, I don’t know if I’d say that. I mean, they had like, an unvaccinated quail with like an mRNA demi glaze, so maybe, you know, kind of.

JOE ROGAN: You think, brother. Trying to vaccinate cows. Do you know about that? They’re trying to give cows mRNA vaccines.

THEO VON: Are they really?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, they’re just trying to use the technology to make money. If you really think they’re doing it to protect the cows, you’re out of your f*ing mind. Any of this stuff is just about money. Cows are fine. There’s nothing wrong with the cows.

THEO VON: How are they even doing that then?

JOE ROGAN: Let the cows eat grass, they’ll be even better. That’s what they’re supposed to be eating. Let them all eat grass, they’ll be fine. But occasionally some cows will get sick. Brucellosis is real. It’s when bisons and cows intermingle. You know, bisons give cows brucellosis and it kills a bunch of them. But other than that. F*ing relax.

THEO VON: Yeah, relax. Well, it just never ends. It feels like there’s everything. There’s just always a problem with everything. I don’t know.

mRNA Vaccines in Food

JOE ROGAN: The worry that people have is that somehow or another that stuff’s going to get into your food.

THEO VON: Well, they’re right, probably.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Yeah, they’re right. Because they’ve already talked about somehow or another getting mRNA vaccines into vegetables so that you wouldn’t even have to get vaccinated. You can get it from your diet.

THEO VON: They try to give me a tetanus shot the other day.

JOE ROGAN: It doesn’t even work.

THEO VON: What? Tetanus shot?

JOE ROGAN: No, the f*ing mRNA vaccines. You’re putting it in food and it doesn’t even work. Dude, I’m not taking. It doesn’t work when you take it. People aren’t even taking it anymore, and now you’re trying to put it in food.

THEO VON: What are they putting it in? You said radish or what was it? Cucumbers?

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know. They were trying to put it in vegetables. It’s like. I mean, I think it’s theoretical to put it in. I know Bill Gates was talking about it.

THEO VON: I just feel it’s like, when does it end? Like, when is it like—

JOE ROGAN: It ends when they stop making money. As long as they can figure out a way to trick you into thinking that you need something or you’re not going to make any money.

The Truth About Tetanus

Did you know that tetanus. You were talking about tetanus. Did you know, tetanus is a bacteria, and it’s extremely rare in America. Very, very, very, very few people ever get tetanus. You think tetanus comes from a dirty nail, like a step on a nail? No, Tetanus is a bacteria.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And it can be cleaned out. And also, tetanus is one of the rare vaccines that works as a prophylactic, after the fact. You could get—step on a nail. You don’t have tetanus yet. They give you the tetanus vaccine after you stepped on the nail. And then again, it still protects you. No, it protects you.

THEO VON: Right.

JOE ROGAN: So you don’t need to take it. Tetanus is super rare in America. It’s not. You could completely fix it by cleaning out the wound. And if you get tetanus, they just inject you with the tetanus vaccine. Then, there’s no need to give tetanus shots to babies.

THEO VON: Yeah. They were saying, maybe you should get it. And I was like, I don’t even know if I’ve had it, you know. But I don’t want it. I don’t want anything else.

JOE ROGAN: You probably had it when you were young.

THEO VON: Yeah, yeah, I think I had that. But, they say you should get it every 10 years. I’m like, I don’t know. I don’t care. I’ll be fine. I’m okay.

Viruses as Life Forms

JOE ROGAN: It’s real common in other countries. Apparently it’s—you say the cognitive tetanus is. Yeah, it’s a bacteria. I didn’t know it was a bacteria. I thought it was something you got from rusty nails, you know? But it makes sense if it’s a vaccine, that it’s protecting you from something that’s kind of alive. Like a virus is kind of alive.

THEO VON: Right.

JOE ROGAN: They don’t consider it a life form, but, I mean, it seems like it spreads. It gets in a bunch of different people. It needs the person as a host. It seems like it’s a kind of life. I mean, it’s trying to consume you. It’s trying to destroy your body, and you’re fighting it off, and it hops from you to your kids to your neighbor to, you know, it’s kind of alive and it kind of needs a person if it’s propagating. Right. If it’s spreading.

What is it, a virus? Yeah. I mean, I don’t think they consider viruses a life form, but it sounds a lot like a different kind of life form. Like a parasitic life form. That’s what it sounds like, doesn’t it?

THEO VON: I mean, I don’t think they’re saying that it’s not. They’re saying that it’s bad, right? A virus?

Viruses and Life Forms

JOE ROGAN: No, I don’t think they consider it a life form. Do they consider viruses a life form? Put that in Perplexity. We have a sponsor. We have an AI sponsor.

THEO VON: I use Perplexity.

JOE ROGAN: It’s really good. Let’s find out if they consider. Put that in there. Let’s find out if they consider viruses a life form because I don’t think they do. I think it’s considered something different.

THEO VON: Dude, I’m so chill.

JOE ROGAN: Is the virus considered a life form? Viruses generally not considered life forms by most biologists primarily because they cannot carry out the basic processes of life independently, such as metabolism, growth or self-sustained reproduction without a host cell. However, this status is debated in scientific circles due to viruses’ ability to carry genetic material, reproduce inside host cells and evolve through natural selection.

Yeah, I’m with those folks. It’s a life form. It’s a weird life form. And here’s the crazy thing, if you think about it that way, then you got to think about gain of function research. Gain of function research is like taking a grizzly bear and go, that grizzly bear should be on roids. And you take a grizzly bear and you jack them up on trend and you give them testosterone and cocaine and then let them loose in the woods.

That’s what gain of function research is. And our government was funding that. They were funding making more evil life forms. And that’s where COVID-19 came from. It came from our tax dollars that goes off to this lab where they’re working on making a life form more vicious to people.

THEO VON: What did they want?

JOE ROGAN: It’s a f*ing weapon. That’s what I think.

THEO VON: But then they just use it against us.

Bioweapons Research

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think it got out. I don’t think they tried to use it against us. That’s what I think. But I think that they 100% are developing these things to dump them on other countries. That’s a fact. They’ve always done that.

THEO VON: But why at this point?

JOE ROGAN: They’ve done tons of research that show that the United States has been involved in stuff like that forever. There was actually bioweapons labs that were in Ukraine when the war broke out that the United States was somehow involved with. Put that in there. What bioweapons labs was the United States involved with in Ukraine? Or how about this? Instead of being leading, were bioweapons labs discovered in Ukraine. Baby girl, let’s put that in first and see what it says. And then I’m going to ask it, were they funded by the United States?

Can I see it? No. Bioweapons labs have been discovered in Ukraine. According to the United Nations, the U.S., Ukraine and multiple independent experts. The allegations made by Russia and echoed by some Chinese officials involve claims that U.S.-funded laboratories involved in military biological activity were operating in Ukraine. But these claims have consistently been denied and refuted by international authorities.

That doesn’t mean anything. Independent investigations and statements by the UN disarmament chief confirmed there is no evidence of a biological weapons program in Ukraine. Yeah. Okay. Are there any stories online about bioweapons labs discovered in Ukraine? Yeah, it would be this. The allegations made by… Yeah, but we don’t know that that’s true.

So here’s the thing. If the United States is running or funding bioweapons labs in Ukraine and it doesn’t become national news, you think they’re going to come up and say, “You’re right, we did it”? No, they’re not. But if you’re going to fund bioweapons research in China and a lot of other places, are there stories about the discovery? Let’s see what it says here.

Stories about the alleged discovery of bioweapons labs in Ukraine have circulated widely, primarily promoted by Russian officials and state media. But these claims have not been substantiated by independent sources or international organizations. Nor could they be. What are you going to do? You’re going to get in there and f*ing rat everybody out in the middle of a war? They’re going to kill you.

THEO VON: Yeah, they wouldn’t let that out.

JOE ROGAN: Chinese Foreign Ministry and various conspiracy theorists have also amplified these stories, including claims of 26 bio labs and illegal research discovered by Russian forces.

THEO VON: I would hate to work at one of those places.

JOE ROGAN: Right? Yeah. Okay, here’s a problem here. Right here. International news organizations and independent scientists, including the BBC and experts at King’s College London, have reviewed the alleged evidence and found it lacking, noting that the pathogens and documents cited by Russia are consistent with public health research, not weapons development.

Okay. Public health research is one of the ways that they do weapons development. They do it under the guise of public health research. That’s the whole original premise of gain of function research. We’re doing this so that we can figure out how to heal people. And if these diseases do come our way, we know more about them because we’ve been researching them.

So the problem with the BBC saying it, well, we just found out the BBC is full of s*. That whole thing with Trump where they took a speech and they edited it and put a part from more than 50 minutes later in the sentence to end the sentence. They completely changed what he had to say. The head of BBC had to resign. This is a giant scandal.

So I don’t trust that. But I don’t know who’s telling the truth or who’s not. Because if I was Russia and I had invaded Ukraine, I would also say we found bioweapons labs, and maybe there weren’t any. Maybe it is a lie.

THEO VON: Well, it’s the same with the weapons of mass destruction. It’s just so hard to know what’s real at our level of just being a consumer.

The Challenge of Truth

JOE ROGAN: See if you can find online a story, so we could pick apart the story that says bioweapons labs found in Ukraine.

THEO VON: It’s tough to know who to trust. It’s just tough to know where to trust things. So I think you just have to…

JOE ROGAN: True. But there’s a fact that we have had bioweapons research and so has Russia. This is a story that I did when I did that show, “Joe Rogan Questions Everything.” I interviewed a guy who used to be a part of Russia’s bioweapons research program. And he explained to me how they’re creating anthrax and they had all these bioweapons available.

And I said, “Do you think that there’s a possibility that they were making various infectious diseases?” He said, “Absolutely. That was research that was being done.” And then we went down to Galveston, Texas, and we went to one of those bio research labs that they have in America, one of those giant crazy labs where everybody wears the hazmat suits and there’s tubes that come off their suit and they’re working with Ebola and all this super…

And his perspective was what he was worried about was not something made in a lab. What he’s worried about is some sort of a natural jump that goes from animals to people and just wipes us out. This one doctor told me…

THEO VON: I don’t know, I feel the problem was…

JOE ROGAN: I would say that too. If I was in the middle of gain of function research, I’d say this stuff is nothing. Don’t worry about this. What I really worry about is chicken pox from chickens.

THEO VON: Yeah. Is that the big thing now?

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know.

THEO VON: Well, dude, I just don’t even know. It’s like, I don’t know if they’d want to wipe us all out though, because then there’s nobody for these dark lords to play with. I feel like…

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think they want to wipe us all out, but I think they want to keep us as controlled as possible. As scared as possible. You see what they did in Canada? They just shot 300 ostriches for no reason.

Short-Necked Giraffes

THEO VON: And Canadians, dude, who also have very good posture. Ostrich is probably great posture for a bird, would you say?

JOE ROGAN: Well, they have that crazy neck, right? Otherwise it’ll fall down. Imagine if your neck was like three feet long. That’d be crazy.

THEO VON: Best posture I’ve ever seen in the world. Toronto. Oh yeah. If you had a f*ing three foot neck.

JOE ROGAN: Crazy. Everywhere you go, your neck’s like a tail, bro.

THEO VON: Have you seen those giraffes with a little neck?

JOE ROGAN: What?

THEO VON: Pulling b*hes up.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, I have seen that. It’s like a cousin of a giraffe. It looks like an antelope.

THEO VON: It’s like a giraffe.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. What are those called?

THEO VON: Like Mexican giraffes or whatever?

JOE ROGAN: No, no, no, no. They live in Africa. Whoa. That’s crazy.

THEO VON: Oh, look at that, bro.

JOE ROGAN: That’s weird. Wait a minute, is that… That’s AI. That’s what it looks like. The short necks giraffe native. This looks more fun. Really?

THEO VON: Yeah. That looks way fake. They’re wearing bowler hats from London.

JOE ROGAN: They look like… No, I think that’s genuinely what they look like.

THEO VON: That’s the one right there. That’s that thug. That’s kind of how I’m built.

JOE ROGAN: That is a weird giraffe, man. They’re from Wakanda. I don’t know if that’s… Oh, from Wakanda. So they’re real.

THEO VON: That’s real.

JOE ROGAN: It’s definitely real.

THEO VON: Everything is, bro.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the thing. You can’t tell, bro.

Information Overload

THEO VON: There’s no information anymore. It’s all just a blender of who knows anything. You put in a TikTok, the next story. It’s merged your last researches into a new… SORA is making new things. And it looks so real. It just… I don’t even know what information even means. It’s just everything feels so bizarre. Don’t you feel like that?

JOE ROGAN: Uh huh. And it’s getting weirder. It’s getting weirder and harder to tell what’s true by the month.

THEO VON: It’s getting weirder by the fast.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s getting very strange.

THEO VON: So you got to lock in. I’m trying to think of the things that just even still feel real to me sometimes.

JOE ROGAN: I think this is a real important time to minimize the amount of time you’re online. Yeah, this is… As things get squirrelier and squirrelier, check in every now and then, but don’t allow yourself to be looking at that goddamn thing all day. Because that’s part of what’s wrong with us, is we’re staring at these goddamn things all day and they’re just hypnotizing us with bulls*.

At the end of the day, you’re confused, aimless. You go to sleep, you feel depressed, you wake up in the morning, you get up in the middle of the night to piss. You’re like, “What is life?” Yeah. You go back to bed, you’re like, “What am I doing?” And those things do that. You take away those things, and life is pretty normal. Yeah, they are amplifiers of anxiety.

THEO VON: Oh, that’s for sure.

JOE ROGAN: For sure.

Social Media and Radicalization

THEO VON: Well, it’s even like they had a lot of these shooters, people that have, these young guys who become… What’s it called when you see stuff online and it makes you more radical? Radicalized, right. How are some of these companies not legally liable? If you go to a restaurant, right, and somebody poisoned you, you could take something up with that restaurant, right? They poison a bunch of… Maybe sue the restaurant or have some recourse against that restaurant, the food establishment.

JOE ROGAN: But that…

THEO VON: But these entities, like these social media platforms, if they radicalize someone and they go shoot somebody or something, there’s no accountability for the company. It doesn’t… You know what I’m saying?

JOE ROGAN: Well, the company’s not radicalizing people, and I think it’s a real danger. What you’re saying, because what you’re saying is you’re opening the door to censorship. You’re opening the door to the government saying, “We’re here to protect you. So you can’t talk about certain things because these things can radicalize you.”

Because anybody’s definition of what radicalizes people is very variable. Right? During COVID I could have been considered someone who radicalizes people against taking a COVID vaccine. I could have been seen as a science denier and a dangerous person that has to be silenced. You have to remove them from public discourse.

So what you’re saying by people getting radicalized… Who? That’s the problem. Who’s getting radicalized and who’s doing it? And what is the real reason why you’re getting radicalized? Because you don’t know who the f* you are.

THEO VON: So you could be getting radicalized for the better or for the worse, too, for sure. So you’re just really getting educated. Really?

Social Media Algorithms and Personal Responsibility

JOE ROGAN: Look, there’s people that get radicalized towards radical ideas of fitness and will and discipline. You know, paying attention to Jocko every morning, which is radicalized. You could be a radical. You could be into radical kindness. You know, you get radicalized. Just be kind to people. Yeah, it’s all dependent upon what. What are you talking about? And who’s doing it. So why would the social media platform be in trouble for doing nothing other than giving people a voice?

THEO VON: But the algorithm, is there an algorithm that is certain?

JOE ROGAN: That’s why it’s weird.

THEO VON: So that’s more what I mean then is the algorithm. Isn’t there some liability to an algorithm?

JOE ROGAN: No, but here’s the problem. The algorithm amplifies what you like. So you have to decide what you’re looking at, right? Like, you have to have some personal responsibility. Because most of my algorithm, particularly on YouTube, is all just stuff I like. It’s all fun stuff. It’s all interesting. It’s all ancient history stuff, you know, cool cars that people are building. That’s it. That’s most of it. Fights, pool matches, professional pool matches, a lot of Muay Thai. That’s all stuff I’m into. It’s nothing is. So, like, why is your algorithm f*ed up? Because that’s the stuff you’re clicking on all the time and a lot of things.

I don’t know if you could do it on Instagram. Can you do it? Like, I don’t like posts like this where you right click on things.

THEO VON: Yeah, I think you can. But you and I know you can.

JOE ROGAN: Do it on Google News feed. You and I are adults in these things.

THEO VON: Like, if it’s a young person, is there any more? Should there be anything like. I agree, there is a love. It’s always personal responsibility. And I think we’re probably in a space where more than ever or personal responsibility, it’s going to start to thin the herd because it’s like, who can have control over their own wherewithal and what they absorb?

Learning from Society’s Mistakes

JOE ROGAN: Well, we have to learn from other people’s mistakes, right? We kind of are better at that than like, okay, we’re better at that as a society than, say, when societies with alcohol, for instance, than a society where alcohol gets introduced into that society where they don’t have a history of alcohol, generally speaking, destroy civilization.

THEO VON: You mean if a place does, like.

JOE ROGAN: When they gave alcohol, like the Native Americans. It’s a perfect example. Native Americans had no history of alcohol use. United States troops came through, did two things. One, killed 90% of them with disease. So 90% of the Native Americans died from disease because they were exposed to smallpox and all sorts of horrible s* that the Europeans carried over with them. So 90% of them died from that.

And then they got pushed into reservations. They got like. They got slaughtered by people with guns and all. They lost all their land. And then also they get introduced to alcohol. So both. Everything gets super depressing and you get introduced to alcohol, and that is devastating to a society. And to this day, reservations have very high rates of alcohol and drug abuse. Very high rates on Native American reservations.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: But if you.

THEO VON: They’re really drinking over there.

JOE ROGAN: But if you look at us like regular people, like, we were talking about alcohol today, right? We’re talking about. I don’t. I barely drink anymore. I’ll have a drink every now and then. And I had one recently, but that’s it. Like, you can. I know how to do that. I come from a culture of people who drink. It’s common. You know, people drink wine with dinner. It’s calm. It’s normal. You figure out how to regulate it for the most part. But there’s people who won’t, right? Yeah, but it’s not as bad as when there’s. No one knows what to do because you’ve never had it before. And then once you get it, you’re f*ed.

That’s the problem also with censorship. That’s the problem with, like, social media. Like, you’re. We’re the first people to get it. So we’re like basically the Native Americans of social media. Like, we’re getting it for the first time and it’s wrecking our society. Yeah, not the same level that it did in Native Americans because it also carries a lot of positives. It does let you distribute information. You learn about things. There’s a lot of positives that come with social media, but also we’re the first people that don’t know how to handle it.

The grandchildren and great grandchildren of us, they will have a much better understanding of what not to do and what to do. Oh, I have an uncle who is an addict. He’s a Twitter addict. He’s a real problem. All he does is yell about politics. He’s on his phone 16 hours a day. He doesn’t pay attention to his life. He’s losing his job because he’s a Twitter addict. There’s people like that, just like these people that are drug addicts, but these are the first ones.

THEO VON: Got it. I hadn’t thought about it like that.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, we got to learn how to regulate, and I think people are going to learn. Like, a lot of kids are using apps now that limit the amount of time that they’re on their social media for like one hour a day, you know?

THEO VON: You think a lot of these kids are doing that?

JOE ROGAN: Kids that want a better life. Kids that recognize that you can waste time. And when you waste time over long junior high school into high school, you really start realizing it. And you see the difference between people who don’t waste time and really get after it and get things done. And then you see the people that are falling by the wayside.

And that’s a pattern that establishes when you’re a teenager pretty much for the whole rest of your life. I knew people that were kind of ne’er do wells in high school that really never got into anything, and they never. They never tried hard at anything and they stayed like that.

THEO VON: Yeah. I think it’s hard to make a really. It’s hard to make a change in your life, you know?

JOE ROGAN: Very hard. Very, very hard to make a change in how you see life.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You know, and then you’re not going to change your life unless you change the way you see life.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Do you.

Fighting at Madison Square Garden

THEO VON: Let me think about something else. Sorry. My brain sometimes gets hard to, like, keep going. How are the fights, man? Did you fun? Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It’s always fun. Madison Square Gardens. Crazy. It’s. It’s. There’s a few buildings in this world that have, like, a tangible feel when you’re. When you’re in them. Like, whoo, is the Garden, bro. I’ve been there a ton of times. I perform there. It doesn’t matter. Every time I go there, when I walk into that building, I’m like, whoo, we’re at the f*ing Garden.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Got to be on your P’s and Q’s, son. Got to be ready to go.

THEO VON: That is the Garden.

JOE ROGAN: I think fighters feel it too. I think it’s extra amped to fight in a garden.

THEO VON: Yeah. Dustin said that he went to watch the fights. Was there a lot of. Was Anak there?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

THEO VON: Yeah. I didn’t get to watch.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Anak, D.C. and me.

THEO VON: Let’s go.

JOE ROGAN: And Megan. Megan was there too. Megan.

THEO VON: And Megan Olivy.

JOE ROGAN: Yep. Oh, she’s the best.

THEO VON: She’s the best. How great is she?

JOE ROGAN: Her and her husband, they’re both Joe. Salt of the earth. The best. The best. They’re whole.

THEO VON: I mean, I will say this. They have one of the best staffs of any sporting group I’ve ever been around in my life.

JOE ROGAN: For sure. Yeah. The UFC staff is very much like a family. Amber, Nicole, we all know each other so well. We’ve hung out together so long. Everybody’s all hugging everybody backstage. It’s a beautiful place to work and.

THEO VON: Bruce is doing his stretches. There’s so many little things going on and you just get to see them all happen. It’s always the same people, you know, and we travel around the world together.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I don’t anymore. Used to travel with those guys around the world and you know, they’ll go from here. Now they’re going to Qatar.

THEO VON: I was going to go.

JOE ROGAN: Were you really?

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, man. That’s a long a flight, son.

THEO VON: I know, I went over there.

JOE ROGAN: They’re going to make you put on the outfit.

THEO VON: I put on the outfit already once.

JOE ROGAN: Did you like it?

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You thinking maybe I could live here if I got in trouble?

Traveling to Qatar

THEO VON: I thought they were. I thought they were going to take my life and I’m going to come back. Not them. But you just never know in the Middle East what’s going on, you know?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. What does that outfit mean?

THEO VON: It’s called a thobe. I think you can see a picture of me in it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I’ve seen it. They use it to attack you for stuff online.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Like you’re in the pocket type s*, boy.

THEO VON: Look at that s*, bro.

JOE ROGAN: It looks good. I like how theirs has a collar. It’s a little more modern.

THEO VON: I think you have to put the head thing on. Like if you’re like listening to music or whatever.

JOE ROGAN: Be a real problem. If you’re grappling with that thing though, limit your hip movement. People can control you a little bit better.

THEO VON: Well, hopefully the person you’re grappling with is also wearing it.

JOE ROGAN: That’s true. But you know, you’re slow, slowing down the game.

THEO VON: Yeah, you’re right. A hell of a gi.

JOE ROGAN: You’re wearing a bathrobe. You’re not even wearing a gi. You’re wearing an ankle length bathrobe.

THEO VON: Yeah, I was going to go get in the way. I was going to go.

JOE ROGAN: I was kind of.

THEO VON: But yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Did you like going over there? What was your experience?

THEO VON: Yeah, man. I liked it. I mean, obviously they treat you a little bit different. Because, you know, you’re not gay. Yeah, that. Thank you for saying that. And okay, just so we got that out there. And I am looking for love. I did meet somebody that was kind of cool, but who knows, you know?

JOE ROGAN: How did Jewish people feel like going over there?

THEO VON: I am sure that they’re probably. I mean, I feel like they’re all kind of in cahoots over there. You don’t really know what’s going on. Qatar is a Muslim country.

JOE ROGAN: Right. But that’s what I’m saying. Like, if I was a Jew and I was traveling around the world right.

THEO VON: Now, I’d be like, do I stop in here?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, maybe I want to fly into Sweden instead.

THEO VON: You know, I guess. I don’t know. Did Qatar. Did they. Did any of those countries help with Palestine?

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know.

THEO VON: It was hard to know what was going on.

Trump’s Middle East Plans

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think there was talk of. Do you say Qatar or Qatar?

THEO VON: You’re right. Qatar.

JOE ROGAN: Qatar, yeah, Qatar. Qatar, yeah. There was talk in the beginning of them helping to rebuild, you know, but this is like when Trump said the wildest s of all time that we’re going to take over and we’re going to turn it into the. What did he say? The Mediterranean of the Middle East. What the f are you saying? That was one of those things that maybe made people go, wait, is he really crazy?

THEO VON: What’s going on?

JOE ROGAN: How are we going to take over? How are you going to take it? It’s like when he was talking about Greenland. Like, maybe we’re going to take Greenland. Like, hey, what? Why do they want Greenland? Let’s ask Perplexity. Why is he. Ask Perplexity, why is the United States interested in acquiring Greenland?

THEO VON: You think there’s something up there?

JOE ROGAN: You know what I would think? What? Let’s imagine a world where the climate does radically shift.

THEO VON: Right?

Climate Change, Money, and the Fossil Fuel Industry

JOE ROGAN: And by the way, I think human beings play a part of it. I’ve had a lot of these conversations with people, and I saw a video that was criticizing something today saying how, you know, talking about how much money there is in climate change and pushing the climate change narrative. And then that didn’t compare to the amount of money that’s in the fossil fuel, promoting fossil fuels.

That is 100% true, but it doesn’t discount the fact that there’s a shit ton of money to be made from green energy. That’s why they’re promoting it. You really can’t stop fossil fuel. That’s the inside, wink. Everything is made with oil. Everything, your pharmaceuticals, all of your electronics, plastics, tires, everything is made with everything. You ain’t stopping oil.

However, this idea of reducing carbon footprint, there 100% is money in that, and there’s money in the whole green energy narrative. There’s money. This is why Bill Gates recently abandoned saying he totally backtracked on what he was saying.

THEO VON: About climate change.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he totally backtracked on it because people were starting to investigate and looking at, why are you saying this? And are you making money off of this? Do you have certain stocks that would rise and where you’d make an extraordinary amount of money if you promoted these certain narratives publicly? Yeah, yeah. That’s part of what’s going on.

Unprecedented Solar Activity

However, there was giant solar activity this week, and this is what I’m talking about.

THEO VON: In Greenland.

JOE ROGAN: Yes. No, in America. Giant solar activity where people were seeing the northern lights in Texas. Yes, in f*ing Texas. Okay. And a friend of mine who is, well, Bret Weinstein, I’m pretty sure I could say, Sam, it’s not a secret, was telling me, like, this is a significant amount of solar activity, kind of unprecedented and very dangerous.

And if it gets bigger than a certain wave, which they can’t really predict, like, these solar flares, they just don’t have a clock on the sun. Like, oh, on November 17th, it’ll be 82 degrees. No, it does whatever the f it wants. And sometimes it does mass ejections, man. And these huge bursts just spraying out these out. And these huge bursts can wipe out satellites, wipe out telecommunication, wipe it out and change the fing temperature of the Earth, dude. What the f*?

Go back to…

THEO VON: Going on.

Strategic Interest in Greenland

JOE ROGAN: Go back to the Greenland thing, please, because we didn’t get a chance to read it, dude. “United States is interested in acquiring Greenland for a combination of strategic, economic and security reasons. Greenland’s geographic location makes it a critical asset for US Defense, especially for monitoring activities in the Arctic and North Atlantic, as well as for tracking potential Russian military movements and securing early warning capabilities for missile threats.”

That makes sense. You know what also makes sense? If it gets green because the Earth temperature changes.

THEO VON: Because you’re investing ahead of time.

JOE ROGAN: Greenland maybe used to be green. You know what I’m saying?

THEO VON: Yeah, I mean, I would bet at some point it did.

JOE ROGAN: I think they discovered Greenland officially in, like, I want to say the 1800s. They listed Greenland as a continent, but there’s maps of Greenland, detailed maps of Greenland from the 1500s.

THEO VON: Do you think that they can, do you think that it’s controllable, or they could start to thaw it out? Whoever owns it all, it’s uncontrollable.

JOE ROGAN: No.

THEO VON: So that’s not controllable.

Earth’s Temperature Changes

JOE ROGAN: This is the scariest thing about the temperature of Earth that we need to come to grips with. It is not static. It changes and it changes all the time. And sometimes it changes in horrific ways where it turns into a f*ing ice age. And if that happens, we all have to move to the equator. And that’s what happens. That’s what happens in human history.

That’s why you see these super advanced civilizations that came out of South America. Well, they were probably the only people that were able to live normally during the Ice Age. During the Ice age, if you’re in North America, you’re a f*ing caveman, you’re covered in animal furs, you know, you’re trudging through the snow, you’re hiding, things are hunting you. If you’re living in the Amazon jungle during that same time, man, you’re probably in, think of it like with the Aztecs, you know, the Aztecs.

THEO VON: How tall were they, the Aztecs, overall?

JOE ROGAN: Here’s the thing, here’s the thing about the Aztec ruins is what I was going to get to. They found them that way. The Aztecs that lived there, they didn’t build them. They found them that way. They uncovered them in the jungle. The ruins, they’re part of a civilization that’s even older than them.

THEO VON: So that’s found that plate. They didn’t build it.

JOE ROGAN: They built some things, but they found those things there. So their great, great ancestors were probably the ones who built it initially. And if you think about the Ice age, if there’s any advanced civilizations, it’s going to be in the places that aren’t frozen. And all of North America, dude, half of North America was under at least a mile of ice.

THEO VON: Hold on, let me think about it. Half of North America was under at least one mile of ice.

The Ice Age’s Impact on North America

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. You know how it’s flat in a lot of Wisconsin? Wisconsin has areas called the driftless areas. And that’s the areas where these giant glaciers didn’t just plow over the earth. So they have hills and mountains and shit. Everything else is just flat. That flat shit, that’s from two miles of motherf*ing ice just erasing anything that was there before it.

THEO VON: Like a bulldozer.

JOE ROGAN: So if there was a civilization that lived on earth up there 20,000 years ago, bitch.

THEO VON: You ain’t finding nothing, you ain’t getting shit. You ain’t finding nothing, you ain’t getting shit.

JOE ROGAN: And they were all down in South America. That’s what I think. That’s what happened. That’s why they had such advanced civilization.

THEO VON: And so many artifacts and stuff, because…

JOE ROGAN: That’s where it was possible. All kinds of weird shit that they don’t understand. Like cities that were in the Amazon jungle, that they’re discovering now.

THEO VON: But what happens? Joe say it starts to, things are, you know, it starts to devolve even more. What happens? Where do we meet up? I know we’ve talked about this before. I think we said Denver, whatever.

JOE ROGAN: I think Denver’s lost. I think Denver’s lost.

THEO VON: We need to have a strike.

JOE ROGAN: They just started bringing wolves back to Denver. These dumbasses.

THEO VON: Well, I wouldn’t mind a wolf or two, but I’m just saying what do we do, man? That’s what I’m saying. If it gets weird, we have to have some plan. It’s already getting weird, right?

The Greatest Threats to Human Life

JOE ROGAN: It’s getting real weird. Yeah, it’s getting weird. But the reality, what I was getting to is you can’t control the Earth’s temperature. You can’t control the Earth’s future, because there’s a bunch of factors. Even if you say, okay, let’s all agree on something. First, let’s agree that human beings have a detrimental effect on Earth. We can all agree on that. Let’s agree that human beings overfish the ocean. Let’s all agree on that. Let’s all agree that we pollute the air, we pollute the oceans, we pollute the rivers. All that is terrible. All that should be fixed. Let’s all agree on that.

Once we agree on that, that’s not the greatest threat to human life. The greatest threat to human life is asteroid impacts. Well, nuclear war for sure. If we do that to each other, that’s number one. But after that, it’s asteroid impacts. And asteroid impacts, you can’t do a f*ing thing about them.

THEO VON: You can do something.

JOE ROGAN: No, they’re not ready yet. They can’t do anything yet.

THEO VON: You couldn’t do something. You could hide behind set.

JOE ROGAN: You could. No.

THEO VON: No. You could do something. No, you could wear something. You could wear something.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, you’re being silly.

THEO VON: No.

The 3I Atlas Asteroid

JOE ROGAN: You know that you could Three Eye Atlas. That one that just passed through. It’s the size of Manhattan. It’s made out of metal. It’s a giant chunk of nickel. That’s the size of Manhattan.

THEO VON: Okay?

JOE ROGAN: It’s billions of years old. And it’s going how many thousands of miles an hour was it going? Put that in a…

THEO VON: Where would you be?

JOE ROGAN: How fast was 3I Atlas? It doesn’t matter where you are. Everything’s dead. The whole planet’s dead.

THEO VON: Okay, because what happens?

JOE ROGAN: You have roaches, some f*ing underground mammals that survive, but you’re saying it hits the planet and then what happens? That’s what I’m asking.

THEO VON: Everybody dies. It’s miles deep into Earth in the first second. Miles deep.

JOE ROGAN: But does it impact? Does Earth shift over 20 feet?

THEO VON: It’s a massive explosion.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, you’re saying there’s an explosion?

THEO VON: Not just an explosion, but it creates nuclear winter. The entire Earth is covered in volcanic ash. You’re f*ed. Everything’s dead. Most of the Earth is dead.

THEO VON: Okay, so maybe I’m not understanding it seems like it.

JOE ROGAN: It’s going approximately 155,000 miles an hour.

THEO VON: You didn’t say that.

JOE ROGAN: This makes the fastest interstellar object yet observed. With its velocity accelerating as it approaches the sun and then gradually slowing as it moves away. So it’s 250,000 kilometers per hour. Earlier measurements as it entered the solar system recorded speeds of 130,000 to 140,000 miles an hour. So it’s the size of Manhattan. It’s made out of nickel. Okay, let’s Google this. What is the observed mass of this object?

THEO VON: How big is it?

JOE ROGAN: What is the observed mass of 3I Atlas? Observed mass of 3 of. Okay, let us see what it says. Look how quick it did that. Just Google all those articles. The observed mass is estimated to be over 33 billion tons.

THEO VON: Okay, hold on. Let me think about how much that is real quick.

JOE ROGAN: It’s a lot. 33 billion tons. Billion tons.

THEO VON: How much is one ton?

JOE ROGAN: Like, 2,000 pounds.

THEO VON: Okay.

JOE ROGAN: What else is 33 billion tons?

THEO VON: That’s a great question, dude.

JOE ROGAN: Very good question, James. Jamie, look how research is. “Estimated mass of 3I Atlas 33 billion tons. Roughly equivalent to the mass of Manhattan island, which is about 3.1 miles across. Similar in size to the comet’s estimated nucleus diameter. This means the comet’s mass is roughly comparable to a large city in solid matter terms.”

THEO VON: Amen.

JOE ROGAN: 33 billion tons. Well, I’m going three to five orders of magnitude heavier than previous interstellar objects like UAMU, MAMU 500. What? Far smaller than the heaviest known comets in our solar system. Look at this one. 1C 2014. Whatever. Whatever. Which weighs around 500 trillion tons with a diameter of about 128 kilometers, 80 miles.

THEO VON: I didn’t think that it was. I think I had a different concept of it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

THEO VON: So I had something small. I had something like that.

JOE ROGAN: Something that’s… No, those hit all the time. Things like that hit all the time.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: That’s what I was thinking about to find them is Antarctica. Because Antarctica is all white. So they go out there and they see things on the ground that are meteors.

Antarctica and Restricted Airspace

THEO VON: Is it true they won’t let us out there or is that true? That’s a myth.

JOE ROGAN: No, there’s places where you’re not supposed to fly, but there’s a bunch of reasons for that. One of them I’m sure they’re probably doing military research up there. So they have restricted airspace. But also, it’s really dangerous. And if you crash, they want to have to rescue you. There’s nothing up there. You will die, you know, most likely. And they don’t want to have to try to die going to get you. It’s sketchy as f* going up there.

THEO VON: F yeah, it is. Dude, I couldn’t even imagine it. I mean, I’m trying to think. We used to go skiing or whatever in Iowa somewhere. Or in, I think it was in Iowa in the winter. They have a place called Sundown, I think it was. It’s fing freezing. We went to Whistler, Canada one time to go see. Freezing cold. I can’t even imagine being at the Antarctica. How cold does it get?

Antarctica and The Thing

JOE ROGAN: Oh, it’s cold as f*. It’s not just cold. There’s no one there. Like, they do these.

THEO VON: They don’t tell anybody it’s cold because there’s nobody even there. You just.

JOE ROGAN: I wonder what they’re studying up there. They have scientific communities up there. They have like groups of scientists that live up there year round, or at least got to be weird.

THEO VON: And do they get to bring their wives and children up there?

JOE ROGAN: Did you ever see that John Carpenter movie, the Thing? Bro, you never saw that movie? Kirk Douglas. I mean, not Kirk Douglas, Michael Douglas. God damn it. Kurt Russell. Kurt Russell. Awesome. Great dude movies. Incredible. I’ve seen that fun horror movie from like, I guess it was probably like the 80s. The thing.

THEO VON: Yeah, that thing.

JOE ROGAN: There’s a comic in that movie, T.K. Carter, a dude who used to perform at the store. Yeah, he was at the store. And then he started getting big movies and he was in the Thing. That’s why John Carpenter, him. I remember that dude I sang out with him. That’s cool. Yeah. And the thing was like at the time, like one of the craziest special effects ever. It looks kind of corny now.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Because it’s goofy looking but.

THEO VON: But maybe they’ll remake it or something. Sometimes they do that.

JOE ROGAN: But it was about them finding like some spaceship in Antarctica. I believe it was.

THEO VON: I think it was Antarctica, I think. Right?

JOE ROGAN: Was that where it took place? Yeah.

Aliens and Earth as a Tourist Destination

THEO VON: People want us. I think people want us to find something. I think people are looking for stuff right now. People are trying to look for something to give things a little bit more meaning to them. You know, that’s also part of the.

JOE ROGAN: Confusion is everybody’s telling you constantly that aliens are real. You’re hearing it constantly and no one’s even flinching.

THEO VON: Well, if they are real, they don’t give a f* about us. That’s what I’m telling you.

JOE ROGAN: Why do you think that? You’ve been listening to Neil Degrasse Tyson?

THEO VON: No, not a chance. A and B, but V, dude, they are not coming here and visiting.

JOE ROGAN: Dude, I think they are.

THEO VON: Here’s what I think about it. I believe that Earth used to be this fun place. Aliens would come and visit. It’s almost like it’s this cool tourist park or whatever. And aliens would bring their kids here when they had like holidays or whatever. Right?

And now it’s like that old place you don’t take your kids to anymore. It’s like an old theme park that’s kind of going by the wayside. And now I think aliens are taking their kids, they’re traveling other places on their vacations. You know what I’m talking about?

JOE ROGAN: Where do you think they’re going?

THEO VON: Places we don’t know because we’re still here.

JOE ROGAN: Avatar Pandora.

THEO VON: Yeah, they’re going to dope a places. Like if they pull up here and their kids are like, you took us to Earth. This place sucks d*.

JOE ROGAN: They land in India, they see a river that’s clogged up with water bottles. Like what the f* is this?

THEO VON: Yeah, people washing their hair and booty water, whatever. Like get us out of here. This isn’t even cool.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, no, this place. You know what’s cool in India? The old stuff.

THEO VON: So that’s what I do believe though.

The Kailasa Temple

JOE ROGAN: There’s a temple in India that is one of the most confusing places I’ve ever seen. Where people describe its mass and like how it’s made. It was carved out of a mountain. The whole temple was entirely carved out of a mountain. It wasn’t built, they removed the mountain and created this insane, like, very symmetrical, incredibly intricate temple.

It doesn’t show any chisel marks on it. It’s like hundreds of millions of tons of rocks have been removed. That thing, bro, have you ever seen that? No, I haven’t seen that. I watched a whole YouTube documentary on it last night. What is it called again? Kailasa Temple, dude. It’s f*ing bananas.

So they think it was made, it says, 6,000 years ago, chiseled out of rock. 8th century is what I was just reading before I. Yeah, I thought it was, like, much more recent. It’s like they think it’s 2,000 years old, right? Is that what they think it is? How old do they think? Okay, 756 to 777. Current era. So that’s like the year 773. So it’s even less than 2,000 years old. So they think. I don’t know how they know this, but whatever. They know whoever f*ing made it.

THEO VON: How?

JOE ROGAN: Whoever 2,000 years ago made this f*ing how. Jamie, see if you can find a video on it where they can they describe it or they go through it. Dude, it’s nuts. The video I was watching last night on YouTube, my jaw was open. I was like, this is crazy. Wow, it’s so detailed.

And when you think about just the sheer effort of making this, and if one person fs this up, one person fs this up, this whole project’s ruined because you’re not building it, you’re carving it out of the mountain. You can’t recarve. And they did it perfectly. But it’s nuts, man. It’s really, truly nuts.

THEO VON: You got to plan ahead with that.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, you think?

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: But how did they do it so well? I mean, how is it so beautiful? How is it so symmetrical? How. How did they. Who f*ing asked for this to be built? How long did it take? This is nuts, man.

THEO VON: F*. This is.

JOE ROGAN: This whole thing, it’s so impressive. It’s so impressive. Almost more impressive than some of the stuff from ancient Egypt, because it’s all one piece of stone. The whole thing. Whoever these people were, man, I believe. I wish they wrote books. I wish they wrote books on how they did this. And if they have the books, let them out. Look at these pillars, man. Look at this whole thing. It’s all carved out of the mountain. It’s bananas. Like, it’s so special.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah, that’s nice. I don’t.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, I’m barely grasping it. I’m trying to put myself in a position of someone who’s there physically and looking at this world, I’m sure I would be blown away. I’m sure you don’t have enough time in a month to really go over this place and really get a feel for it, because it’s. It’s so insane someone was able to do that that long ago.

Lost Civilizations and Ancient Mysteries

THEO VON: Well, the people. People used to have to, like, I think the amount of time and attention you would put into things, you didn’t have a lot of other things taking your attention probably.

JOE ROGAN: Also, I think things have happened and we forgot about those things. And I think things like asteroid impacts, things like super volcano, these ice ages, things have happened and destroyed civilization, and we’ve forgotten a lot of it. And we’re relearning it, we’re refiguring it out now. That’s what I think.

That’s how you find stuff like that. Like that. That. That one doesn’t even make sense, like. And also, if you make that. Who just left it there? Why’d you guys move? Where’d you go? Where’d you go? You just left us there. That’s nuts.

THEO VON: Yeah, I’m trying to think of why I would.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the Aztecs, too. There’s a bunch of these structures that people just left.

THEO VON: Or they all got diseases or wiped out. Yeah, I’m sure they probably got wiped out. Because even if everybody leaves and if there’s a nice place, right, everybody leaves. Somebody would. Some people would say, like, no, we’re just going to stop.

JOE ROGAN: They got wiped out. That’s how they’re not there.

THEO VON: Something would happen. And probably, like, you’re standing by weather or something big, you know, maybe weather.

JOE ROGAN: But I think a lot of it is people traveling with a new disease, I think that killed people in giant chunks all throughout history. That’s what they think happened to the Mayans. That’s what also they think happened to the people that lived in the Amazon. Like the city of Z. The lost city of Z. Did you ever see that movie?

THEO VON: Yeah, with George.

JOE ROGAN: Percy Richards. Is that what the guy’s name was? Percy Fawcett. Percy Fawcett. So Percy Fawcett was this explorer that went down there. And so what happened was a group of people had said they went down to the Amazon and they found these golden cities, spectacular civilizations.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah. God, I would like that.

JOE ROGAN: And they went back to Europe and told everybody. And then a hundred years later, they returned to try to find these things. At least 100. It might have been longer, right? All the s* was gone. Everything was gone. Because those first guys brought over the cooties, they brought over disease, they brought over diseases, and they killed everybody. And they didn’t even.

THEO VON: How are they spreading the diseases, though, you think?

JOE ROGAN: Just being around them, man. We Europeans, I shouldn’t say we.

THEO VON: And nobody noticed that they had something wrong with them.

JOE ROGAN: They were used to it, man. They were used to being sick. They were used to those diseases. You know, they had developed immunity over generations.

THEO VON: But if you show up with Miles with a disease, right, at a certain. Like, I’m going to maybe see that something could be wrong with you. You think, or you think it’s just hidden in your path.

JOE ROGAN: They probably had no fear of it. They probably had no fear of it because they had never encountered it before. But, you know, they do believe it’s possible that the Native Americans gave the Europeans syphilis. Type s*. Yeah. Type shift. Yeah, that’s it.

THEO VON: That’s what they say. Type s*. That’s what kids say sometimes.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. When my daughter doesn’t want to swear, she says type shift.

THEO VON: She does. Oh, I like that.

JOE ROGAN: That’s cool.

Family and Podcasting

THEO VON: How are your daughters doing? Good.

JOE ROGAN: Great, man.

THEO VON: They’re awesome.

JOE ROGAN: My youngest one loves you.

THEO VON: I miss. I miss getting. Did they go to the fight, too?

JOE ROGAN: No, they’re going to. They’re going to go to a future one, though. I’ll let you know. I mean, they like hanging out with you, they said. So fun.

THEO VON: They’re fun, dude, they’re so funny. It’s just been funny because I just see them incrementally over the years to get to see them grow up, and just like, when did we.

JOE ROGAN: I was just thinking this. When did we do our first podcast together? Do you remember?

THEO VON: I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: It was like 10 years ago.

THEO VON: No way. 8.

JOE ROGAN: I would have been. Let’s see. I’ll look it up.

THEO VON: It’s been a while. Yeah, man, I can’t believe that we’ve been.

JOE ROGAN: And you back then.

THEO VON: It’s all been going on this long.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. I would have never imagined that you would go down this road and be really good at it, man. Like, you’re real sincere with people. You ask real good questions. You know, you’re. You’re very present, you know? Like, you’re really. You’re funny, but you’re also trying to really understand what they’re saying.

That’s a delicate balance, you know, be silly and be funny, but also, like, pay respect to whatever they’re trying to say and try to figure out where they’re coming from, you know? Yeah.

THEO VON: Well, thanks, dude. Yeah, I try to be. I think there’s been a couple times where it’s like, yeah, I try to be. I don’t really know what I’m. You know, like, I don’t not know what I’m doing. I mean, I work hard, right? Like, I work hard.

JOE ROGAN: You figure it out as you go along, right?

THEO VON: Yeah. And I’m still kind of figuring it out, you know, I don’t know sometimes. Like what? Like my purpose is in it or.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t have to ever.

THEO VON: Purpose. You don’t think maybe that’s a trap, huh?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s a trap. I think you have a direction.

THEO VON: I do notice I meet a lot of people and I care about what’s going on in their lives.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s a direction. That’s good.

The Value of Connection

THEO VON: Yeah, that’s bad. That makes me feel important. That makes me feel not important to me, but of some value. Like, even last week when we had Gary Sinise on, he was talking about his son. His son passed away of cancer within the past year. And just talking about his son, it was just nice. It was nice for us to sit there together and just talk about his son. Stuff like that, I think in me, it just makes me feel like, I don’t know, that kind of stuff means something to me.

JOE ROGAN: So do you feel like in your regular life you’re not connected enough to people that are talking to you like that? Is that it, man?

THEO VON: That’s kind of interesting. I think I do sometimes have a problem with connection sometimes.

JOE ROGAN: You somehow or another can be more connected publicly than you can be privately.

THEO VON: Dude, is that so weird you say that? I’ve thought about that before.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I thought about that because of my friendship with you. Because sometimes you tell me things on air that you don’t tell me things in private. And sometimes in private, I love you very much and I always try to reach out because the last thing you want is a friend that maybe is going through some sh*t, not doing well, and maybe you could have reached out.

THEO VON: Yeah, for sure.

JOE ROGAN: That feeling, it’s terrible feeling. You know, that you could have helped your friend and you didn’t help your friend. But you are, you have a hard time expressing yourself in person sometimes. Sometimes I’d be asking, what’s up? Tell me what’s bothering you. Tell me how do you feel? What’d you do? And there’s a blockade where you’d rather just ignore. You know what I mean?

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: But then when you’re talking publicly, you like to address everything, which I find very interesting. It’s like you almost feel more comfortable exposing various parts of things that you don’t like about life or your life or what’s bothering you about life. Publicly, you’re better off. You’re better at doing that than you are privately with your friends.

Trust and Self-Expression

THEO VON: I think there’s this thing inside of me sometimes that I feel like people don’t trust me when I’m watching. They don’t trust you or there’s some trust thing. Maybe it’s not me. I don’t know. I’m trying to think about.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t trust them, maybe.

THEO VON: No, I don’t know. There’s, I’m trying to think of as you’re telling, as we’re talking about this, I’m trying to feel it at the same time and see what I’m feeling about it. Because it’s interesting to me because I love thinking about this kind of stuff, and trying to figure out why I operate or why we operate certain ways.

JOE ROGAN: Right. Yeah.

THEO VON: I think sometimes, I don’t know, it’s hard for me to maybe say what’s going on sometimes. Sometimes I don’t know what’s going on. Sometimes I just, yeah. If I talk with somebody, and then some of the biggest conversations I have are on podcasting now. It’s like, that’s when I’ll talk the most. And so I’ll sit there and have moments that are like, that’s kind of my biggest conversations.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it’s kind of the only time you have real conversations because every other time you have conversations, there’s usually multiple people around and everyone’s checking their phone, and everyone’s going in and out of the room. Everyone’s going to take a leak. Like green room conversations, they’re real. It’s kind of almost like a podcast in and of itself.

THEO VON: But yeah, it’s fun.

JOE ROGAN: But there’s also people showing each other funny memes. And we’re all watching videos, f*ed up things that happened.

THEO VON: Yeah. Listening to music, joking around. That’s a little bit more of a bigger atmosphere.

JOE ROGAN: Right. But the point is, it’s like you don’t have these kind of conversations outside of podcasts. The only time you or I have these kind of conversations is right in front of each other, where we agree we’re going to just sit and talk for three f*ing hours with no interruptions.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: It’s kind of weird, but I feel like in that form, you get relaxed, and in that form, you talk about yourself honestly. You’re introspective and open about it, which I find very fascinating that you don’t do that privately.

Finding Value Through Podcasting

THEO VON: Yeah, yeah, it’s funny. It is kind of interesting. I don’t know why either. I think maybe there’s something where I thought, I have to, there’s something inside of me that has to be of value or something. I don’t know. I’m trying to figure out.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t want to be a burden. Maybe you don’t want to annoy people talking about your problem. So here’s the thing. When you start talking about having issues in life, I was shocked because I’ve thought about all the times that I’m with you. Theo’s always the life of the party. We’re always having fun. I don’t get it. How could you possibly be not doing well? I don’t even make sense to me. I was like, everybody loves him. He’s so fun to be around. Why would you not feel good? That doesn’t make sense.

So then I had to listen to you talk in podcasts, and I was like, oh, okay. Well, there’s some ways that he talks publicly that you don’t necessarily talk a lot privately. So your friends sometimes don’t even know if things aren’t going so well.

THEO VON: Well, I think for some reason, whenever I started podcasting, I started to kind of have a conversation with myself for sometimes the first time in my life. I was having some dialogue with myself.

JOE ROGAN: Because you did a lot of them solo, too, right?

THEO VON: Yeah, probably the first hundred or something were solo or something. Pretty much, yeah. And so I think then you’re…

JOE ROGAN: You’re forcing yourself to do a totally new thing, which is to not just go on momentum, but to actually think about something for at least an hour where you’re talking and just thinking about stuff.

THEO VON: And that was probably the most fun I ever had in some ways, I think. And also, it was like a learning. And then now, people can call in our show and they’ll leave voicemails, and so sometimes we’ll listen to those and talk about that kind of stuff. And that’s something I want to get more into because that’s something that I really care about.

But yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know why some ways are easier for me than others. I have thought about that before though. Yeah, I have thought about that. It’s the same reason, like even being in a relationship, I remember when I was, when I would get in a relationship with a woman, it was so hard for me to look at them or to be super close. That was super hard. But it was easy for me to have a microphone and talk to people in a group. There’s some things that are just, I just feel like a lot of pressure. I feel like when I was in that kind of situation, I think there was something about it. If somebody, I don’t know, I think there was always a part of me, when I was young, if I looked somebody in the eyes or something, they weren’t going to believe me.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

THEO VON: Does that make any sense at all? Does that, I know it’s a weird thing to say, but…

JOE ROGAN: No, it does make sense.

THEO VON: There was a part of me like, yeah, yeah. And I’m not trying to self pity or look at, do I seem like I’m being self pity?

JOE ROGAN: No.

THEO VON: Okay, good. Because I like to examine stuff, but I’m not like, woe is me. I’m just trying to look at it.

Childhood and Intimacy

JOE ROGAN: Well, you got to think as a kid growing up, you had a lot of negative interactions with people.

THEO VON: Yeah. Nobody ever looked at me. Nobody ever looked at me and was like, what’s going on with this kid? Or looked me in the eyes or, people were busy and working and just trying to keep us surviving. So I think later when I got into relationships and you’d be right there with a woman and they’d be looking at you, it made me really nervous and scared. Cause you’re like, dmn, these bhes are pulling up. That sh*t was like…

JOE ROGAN: Baby girl, you weren’t used to intimate relationships.

THEO VON: Right. So intimacy made me super uncomfortable.

JOE ROGAN: Well, you weren’t used to trusting people.

THEO VON: Yeah. And probably not even used to really trusting myself. I don’t think I knew who I was.

JOE ROGAN: And probably not used to being, people being nice to you. You got to get used to, accustomed to people being nice to you.

THEO VON: We grew up in a scary place and so I felt like I wasn’t sure if people were going to be or not. And so I think that made it pretty tough when I was young. But, yeah, I don’t know, some of it, it’s been an interesting, it’s been an interesting experience. And that’s life.

The Future of Humanity

JOE ROGAN: It’s just like, life is an interesting experience. Yeah, it really, truly is. But it all, it can be awesome and it can suck. And the reason why it’s awesome is because it can suck. You need them all while we’re human. And I think that’s, we have a, we have only so much sand left in that hourglass where the humans are on the way out. I know a lot of people hate it when Peter Thiel says it. Like, Peter Thiel is a terrible person. He’s evil.

THEO VON: You think he is?

JOE ROGAN: No, I think he’s just telling you the truth. I think he’s, you know when they said, do you think human beings should survive? And he had this long pause.

THEO VON: Oh, yeah, I remember.

JOE ROGAN: And then the interviewer was like, the answer is yes. The answer is yes. Which is not how you’re supposed to do an interview. Well, at least not how I do it. I would let him talk as long as he wants. If you watch my podcast I did with him is these long stammers where he’s like, everything he does, he wants to be very careful before he answers it, so he wants to consider what he’s saying.

If you ask me the same question, is it important that humans survive? Okay. Is it important that Australopithecus survived? It’s not. Is it important that Neanderthal survived? It’s not currently. Currently not important. Is it important that humans stay in this form? It’s not. It’s not going to be. If we’re going to evolve to something way better than this. How many people go, I missed the old days when you could lie and you couldn’t read minds and people were a lot more rapey. No, no one’s going to say that. No one’s going to, I miss the wars. I miss stealing credit card fraud. I miss the good old days of…

THEO VON: A rigged stock market when the Jets won.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, no, no, no. No one’s going to say that. They’re going to move on to what’s next. So Peter Thiel’s right. It doesn’t mean I don’t love you. It doesn’t mean that being a person isn’t important to me. Yeah, it is to me. Because I’m a person. But I’m also, if I step outside of being a person and I look at where this thing is going, I’m like, it’s going in a different direction.

It’s not going in the direction of we thought it was, MRNA vaccines and lying politicians. It’s not. It’s not going in that direction. It’s going in some sort of digital God direction. And we’re either going to join on f*ing real quick, real quick. Within a few years. We have, I think, what is it, 2026 almost? We’re real close to that. I think by the time 2030 rolls around, it’s a wrap. Bet it’s a wrap.

THEO VON: Do you think that money will have any value at that point or no?

The Future of Money and Digital Control

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know what it’s going to mean anymore.

THEO VON: And the problem is going to be some.

JOE ROGAN: People are going to be in control of assets. Some people are going to be in control of money. See, money is just right now, mostly if we’re not on the gold standard. What is money? If your bill doesn’t represent. You could go to Fort Knox and they’ll give you a brick for whatever that money, you know, they’ll give you a brick of gold that’s worth that money. If that’s not real, if we don’t have that anymore, and if we’re on some sort of digital thing and if they can just spend money and then inflation rises and all this money that we spend on wars and all this other crazy. It’s not. Where does it come from? We don’t have any money.

We’re $37 trillion in debt. They just print it up. And if they just print it up, that makes money less and less valuable. And that’s what inflation is all about. And at some point in time, that’s just ones and zeros. When you have quantum computers that are basically like digital gods and they’re in charge of all the assets and all the money of the world, and they’re not human. They’re not human and they’re just going to stop it all.

They’re going to say no. We’ll decide how much resources you get to stay alive for as long as this body lasts, because you’re not breeding anyway. Our f*ing population is dropping off of a cliff. Overpopulation’s a real problem. It’s not. We don’t. We don’t have the correct levels. In most giant countries like Japan. Japan is not in a restorative level. They’re not even close.

THEO VON: They’re disappearing.

Population Collapse and Immigration

JOE ROGAN: They have a real population collapse problem. South Korea, real population collapse problem. Eventually that’s going to come here. That was one of the arguments that they had to keep the border open. That was one of the Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi arguments. You know, we’re not having enough kids. We need to bring people in. Shut the f* up.

THEO VON: Shut the f* up. There’s no way I can look at Chuck Schumer and think, he’s a good guy.

JOE ROGAN: He looks like a great guy.

THEO VON: Yeah. If you asked a baby who had been here one day, who’s a bad. Pick a bad guy out of.

JOE ROGAN: Bro. Did you ever see the video?

THEO VON: When f*ing dark out there, man. That’s why we got to love each other and do the best we can. Have a nice creme brulee, hug a buddy, tickle your friend or whatever. Tell him he’s gay or something.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a good move. You know, I just opened up my Instagram and he popped up immediately. You were lying. No, I’m not lying.

THEO VON: You were lying. What’s he trying to sell you? Some bullshit.

JOE ROGAN: It’s something important. He accidentally said the quiet part out loud about the Epstein files.

THEO VON: They all are doing that, dude.

JOE ROGAN: All right, let’s see what he said. Here, I’ll send it to you, Jamie.

THEO VON: They got me. These motherf*ers.

JOE ROGAN: They got me.

THEO VON: How much longer does Israel let us stay alive, do you think? That’s the big question.

JOE ROGAN: Why would he.

THEO VON: What did you say? Is that AI?

JOE ROGAN: What are you saying?

THEO VON: Is that Sora?

JOE ROGAN: The f* are you saying?

THEO VON: I didn’t say anything.

JOE ROGAN: What are you saying? Huh?

THEO VON: Israel Adesanya.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, well, he loves you. Don’t worry about it.

THEO VON: Good call.

JOE ROGAN: F* are you saying, son?

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: What did he say about the Epstein files?

THEO VON: What did he say?

JOE ROGAN: Let’s hear what he said. He looks great.

THEO VON: Yeah. He’s been drinking somebody’s blood since the last four years when President Biden was in office. Well, that’s the question every American is asking. Not every American, but so many Americans are asking, what the hell is he hiding?

JOE ROGAN: Why would. Why are they. That was a useless clip.

THEO VON: This whole thing is all bullshit now. It’s all BS.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it’s. It’s fun.

The Epstein Case

THEO VON: Do you think he’s alive? You think Epstein’s alive?

JOE ROGAN: I do not think so.

THEO VON: You don’t?

JOE ROGAN: No. I think they killed him. If I had a guess, there’s too much circumstantial evidence that leads me to believe that it was an assassination. You know, I know a lot of people think that he committed suicide. A lot of very smart people that I know think he committed suicide. I’m like, there’s too many conditions, inconvenient things. The cut wires, the security cameras, rather not working. They weren’t cut, right? They just stopped. They didn’t function. Security cameras didn’t function.

The fact that he had shared a cell with this giant f*ing former cop who was a murderer who had killed multiple people, just giant, roided up cop. This is a cellmate. If you wanted to get somebody. Look, bro, extra Twinkies. Take this guy out. It wouldn’t be hard. He’s already killed a bunch of people. He was a drug dealer. You ever see the guy who was his cellmate?

THEO VON: No, but it’s like.

JOE ROGAN: It’s kind of hilarious.

THEO VON: Like when you’re a freshman in college and they just put you with somebody.

JOE ROGAN: You know, bro, if you wanted to get. You wanted to get someone killed, you have a. You have a high profile witness, okay? High profile witness in the craziest sex trafficking conspiracy of all time, where a guy who may or may not have been an intelligence asset or an intelligence agent or whatever the f* he was or whatever country this guy is, he’s arrested for sex trafficking to elites. And then you put him in jail.

THEO VON: Oh, my God.

JOE ROGAN: With that guy.

THEO VON: I thought that was a guy that fought Mike Tyson. Remember that dude who read that poem.

JOE ROGAN: Bro, you put him in jail with that guy. All you have to do is get that guy cigarettes and steroids. You tell him, I got you Marlboro Reds and Tren. I got you testosterone replacement for life. Even though you’re going to still be in jail.

THEO VON: I got you Lamar, bro. F*. Four men, two hundreds, dude.

JOE ROGAN: He was found guilty of killing four men, and they put him in a cell with Epstein. Look at the size of that fing savage. Giant fing muscle bound, steroided up dude. And they put him in a cell with Epstein and Epstein got strangled. Well, Epstein not Sherlock Holmes, but I think there might be a connection there.

THEO VON: Epstein was probably trying to slurp him. I bet they do. He was such a pervert, dude.

JOE ROGAN: Well, if he didn’t kill him, then somebody killed him.

THEO VON: I bet he was such a pervert.

JOE ROGAN: I think somebody killed him. Retired Westchester cop charged with killing four and cocaine deal after bodies dug up on his property, bro, he buried them in his backyard. Yeah, that’s a crazy motherf*er.

THEO VON: Oh, that’s a good gardener. Dude, that guy’s f*ing composting. What are you talking about?

JOE ROGAN: True. It’s a better way to deal with. They’re already dead. What are you going to do? Let them go to waste or bring him back to mother earth.

THEO VON: Those are leftovers. That guy’s Italian, dude. They love leftovers.

JOE ROGAN: How deep you think he dug it? I bet he was pretty lazy.

THEO VON: That guy’s pretty jacked. I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: I bet he got tired though. They don’t have good cardio.

THEO VON: You’re right.

JOE ROGAN: It’s a lot of cardio involved in digging two feet. How many bodies? Four bodies, bro. Four bodies is four six foot graves. Do you think he did a mass grave all on top of each other or do you think he was respectful and made four individual holes?

THEO VON: I bet it was more like, you know when you open up a box of chocolates like that kind of. I don’t think it was like a teeth. Like I’m saying it was like.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, yeah.

THEO VON: Or a four pack of cannolis right there. Yeah, right.

JOE ROGAN: Take the lid off.

THEO VON: You see feet, just a dusting of infection.

JOE ROGAN: Is sugar on them, not cocaine. Deal went bad. F* it up cop and. But imagine.

THEO VON: That’s horrible.

JOE ROGAN: But imagine you are the most high profile person being charged.

THEO VON: They put him in there on purpose with that guy.

JOE ROGAN: A hundred. How could they not?

THEO VON: They did.

JOE ROGAN: How would you not? Why?

THEO VON: There’d be no reason to put him with anybody.

JOE ROGAN: If you worried about the guy dying, why would you put him in the room and lock him in a bedroom? A tiny little bedroom with a roided up murderer? Just stop and think about that. You’re in a room smaller than this f*ing studio that you and I are in right now with a roided up murderer. You’re sleeping with that guy and you wind up getting strangled. Oh, you hung yourself. So yeah, how would you sleep?

Prison Life

THEO VON: Say you’re in a. Say you have to go to jail, right?

JOE ROGAN: I wouldn’t sleep.

THEO VON: I know, but I’m just saying, Joe, if you had to go to jail, right, you’re in jail for something that you’ve done or didn’t do. Doesn’t matter. How do you sleep at night and there’s a big dude in there.

JOE ROGAN: You sleep with your mouth open so he doesn’t have to force it open. Sleep like that.

THEO VON: Oh no, no, bro, that’s crazy. But do you sleep with your butt against the wall or away from the wall?

JOE ROGAN: Good question.

THEO VON: You sleep on your back.

JOE ROGAN: Depends on what kind of pervert this dude is. He might be one of them dick sucker guys. He just wants to suck your d while he jacks off, you know? Then you’d want to sleep with your a to him. Like turn over so I can suck your d like.

THEO VON: No, I’m trying to sleep. Hey, I told you I’m trying to sleep, bro.

The Prison Industrial Complex

JOE ROGAN: It’s all. It’s crazy. And then you find out that prisons are private too.

THEO VON: What?

JOE ROGAN: There’s a business in having jails. So then you find out that prison guard unions are also responsible. Responsible for keeping marijuana illegal. They get involved in it too. Criminal guard unions, because they want to keep the work coming.

THEO VON: But like, it just feels like at some point. How. Do you think it’s always been this way through history where people have felt like you just feel like such a. Like a peon of like some corrupt financial system. Do you think it’s always been that way or do you think this is like kind of like a highlight of it for America?

JOE ROGAN: Well, this is worse than it’s ever been before, for sure. And the United States is worse than every other country when it comes to incarceration.

THEO VON: They want to get a business. They wanted to keep it busy.

JOE ROGAN: In the UK they probably could use a few incarcerations. They’re letting people loose that are doing horrible s* and they’re not enforcing crimes over there. That place is getting real squirrely. But you know, the United States, half the people are in there for nonviolent drug offenses. Half of them. Right. I think that’s the number. Put that into perplexity. What percentage of people in American prisons are there for non violent drug offenses?

THEO VON: I think.

JOE ROGAN: I think it’s like half. So it’s basically, you know, it’s. It’s a byproduct of prohibition that’s led to millions of incarcerations where people are locked down for the rest of their f*ing life.

THEO VON: I would hate that s*, dude.

JOE ROGAN: Because somebody wants something and you don’t think they should be able to have it. So you will arrest people selling to them and you will lock them all up for possessing it.

THEO VON: If I.

Prison Statistics and Drug Offenses

JOE ROGAN: 43% of federal prisoners in the United States are serving time for drug offenses, which are predominantly nonviolent. Additionally, about 72% of federal prisoners are serving sentences for nonviolent crimes, including drug offenses, with a significant portion related to drug possession and trafficking. 72%. In federal prisons, 72.1% of inmates are incarcerated for nonviolent offenses. More than half, 55% in federal prisons serving time for drug offenses.

So 43% of federal prisoners in the United States are serving time for drug offenses, but 55% are serving time for drug offenses in the summary of key data. So it must be like, this is what’s happening when AI is drawing from multiple different sources. I think they’re giving you different numbers. So it’s somewhere between 43 and 55%.

THEO VON: Yeah. I think it’s interesting. I guess you don’t know which ones are like weed, which ones are cocaine, heroin, fentanyl, that kind of stuff.

JOE ROGAN: Look at this type of offenses. The majority of drug related incarcerations involve possession, which is classified as a nonviolent offense. So put this, other than drug offenses and drug possession, what percentage of people are in jail for nonviolent crimes? Without other than drug offenses, what percentage of people are in jail for nonviolent crimes?

THEO VON: I got to get a family, I think.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I think that would be good for you. Okay, let’s see. Other than drug offenses, about 25% of the daily jail population nationally is incarcerated for low level nonviolent offenses, including misdemeanors and public order offenses. 13% are there for property offenses such as burglary and around 11% for public ordered offenses, nonviolent infractions such as weapons charges.

The problem with that is property offenses like burglary can lead to violence. That’s next door to violence. It’s not violent, but those guys that got shot breaking into that guy’s house. As soon as you’re breaking into people’s property, you’re getting super close to violence.

THEO VON: Yeah, I think as violent, it’s like if you’re inflicting fear on somebody.

JOE ROGAN: They’re in their own home.

THEO VON: F*, yeah. That’s pretty violent to me.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It’s not violent in that you’re hurting a physical person, but you’re breaking into their house and anything goes. Once you break into someone’s house, everybody knows that you break into someone’s house, anything goes. They don’t know why you’re there. They don’t know that you’re just a petty thief. They have no idea. They’re going to f*ing shoot you. We all know that.

The numbers were getting small, left over. I googled the other thing. The opposite or not. Google’s our perplexity. The opposite thing. How many are in for violent crimes? Right. 62% in state prison, but only 7 to 10% in federal. Most federal inmates are serving sentences related to drug and public ordered defenses. Oh my God. That’s nuts.

THEO VON: Yeah, I mean, it’s just.

JOE ROGAN: That is so nuts, man.

THEO VON: But do you think it’s weed? I mean, what do you think it is?

The Reality of Drug Offenses

JOE ROGAN: No, no, no. It’s probably cocaine. Cocaine’s the big one, right? Cocaine laced with fentanyl and then there’s pills and then there’s meth. Meth is a big one, too. Those are the ones that everybody’s really terrified of. No one’s really. The marijuana thing is a disingenuous argument because the marijuana thing is really. There’s a bunch of special interests that want marijuana state illegal.

The actual people that think that marijuana is dangerous are pretty spread, and they’re not totally wrong. This is a very important point. Marijuana is not completely safe, just like alcohol is not completely safe. I think there are certain people that, for whatever reason, the way they’re wired, marijuana can f* with them badly. And there’s some evidence that it could trigger psychosis or just some sort of a psychotic break. There’s real evidence, definitely.

THEO VON: Dude, that sht. Some of that. That sht’s bad off, dude. I’m taking some sh*t, dude.

JOE ROGAN: Powder or crack cocaine offenses, go back, account for more than 54% of drug offenders. So that’s most of it. And then there’s meth, 24%, and marijuana represents 12%. But I guarantee you, that marijuana thing, that’s dudes who are growing. You know, you’re growing and dealing. If they’re hitting you up in federal prison, heroin offenders account for 6%. That’s weird. I would have thought it would have been higher, just 6% for heroin because they’re so chill. They never get in trouble, they never get caught.

THEO VON: But the family that made. But the family that did that, the opioid epidemic is still just out and about.

JOE ROGAN: Sackler family out and about.

THEO VON: Sackler family’s still out there.

JOE ROGAN: They might be responsible for a million people losing their lives.

THEO VON: And the ripple effect of that through families.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s what I mean. I mean, suicides, drug addictions, families falling apart, lives destroyed.

Finding Purpose in Modern America

THEO VON: Where do you think people find a sense of purpose these days? In Joe? Because it certainly feels like the fabric of, some of America. It used to feel like that gave us a lot of purpose. And some of that feels like it’s not there anymore. Do you feel like that that’s a true statement or what do you think?

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think this is also part of the problem with social media is that we feel that way.

THEO VON: Okay.

JOE ROGAN: And while we feel that way, that everything’s falling apart, we still have our neighbors, we still have our friends, we still have the places we. You still have all the community that we always had. We still have the Mothership. We still go to nice restaurants. You still hang out with your friends and watch the game. You’re still alive on Earth, but you’re so overwhelmed by this f*ing constant onslaught of bad news.

THEO VON: That’s a good point.

JOE ROGAN: That you’re freaking out always. But then you got ice raids where they’re taking people that are American citizens and they’re scaring the sh*t out of everybody.

The Homeland Security Video Incident

THEO VON: Dude, they made me. The video thing, you see that thing where they put on the video?

JOE ROGAN: That was crazy. They didn’t even ask you.

THEO VON: Oh, it was really scary.

JOE ROGAN: You were just joking around because you were talking to a guy who’s talking his friend. And this was quite a while ago too, right? When was that video?

THEO VON: Yeah, I don’t know. I could be like a year and a half ago or something. I don’t remember. But that was crazy. But it was like.

JOE ROGAN: It was a joke, right?

THEO VON: She’s like a friend. I don’t know if she said a friend of mine got deported. I can’t remember what she said, but she’s like, what? Do you have anything to say to him? Right? And I was like, bye. You know?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I’m clowning around.

THEO VON: I have no idea if it’s real or not. I have no idea.

JOE ROGAN: You have no idea. It’s literally someone just handed you a phone. And then the Homeland Security. Was that what it was?

THEO VON: Yeah. Just put it up online and it was the Charlie Kirk thing. Yeah. And so then I was, super scared. You remember? Remember I was texting, you. I was just texting people to make sure everybody’s okay. I didn’t know if they were, just going to kill people that had been on TikTok or whatever. I had no idea what they were going to do.

JOE ROGAN: I just can’t believe they did that. That with you, where they just put it in there as if, you were endorsing that.

THEO VON: Well, it just kind of. And it was just a scary time. That was the same time as after the Charlie Kirk lit that.

JOE ROGAN: Who greenlit that?

THEO VON: Probably to some f*ing trap beat con artist or whatever.

JOE ROGAN: If a company did that, you could sue them. You know what I’m saying? If it was privatized, if ICE was a private company and that was the people that the United States hired to get rid of illegal immigrants and they used you, you would sue them. You could sue them.

THEO VON: Well, it was just.

JOE ROGAN: But the government can just put that up there. And then what did you do? You had to formally request them taking it down.

THEO VON: Yeah, hire an attorney to get them help to take it down.

JOE ROGAN: How long did it take to take it down?

THEO VON: I think, 48 hours or something. But it had, 30 million views over a couple platforms.

JOE ROGAN: And how many people even know it was taken down until they just heard you say it?

THEO VON: Of course not.

JOE ROGAN: I knew because you told me. But I couldn’t believe when you first asked me what I should do about this. I was like, it’s probably nothing. And I was in the car, and I didn’t watch it. Then I got to the club. Then I talked to you from the club, and you’re like, you didn’t see it? I was like, no. And then I saw it. I was like, oh, my God, what the f* are they doing? It’s like, that’s not how you envision the government. The government made a hype video?

THEO VON: Yeah, they were making, deportation hype videos with trap beats and sh*t. And I was like, what are we doing? That’s what I’m saying. Everything is turned into, the WWE. It’s. None of it’s real.

JOE ROGAN: It’s 100% that Mike Judge movie. It’s Idiocracy.

THEO VON: Oh, Idiocracy. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

The Aftermath and Paranoia

THEO VON: But, yeah, that was scary, man, because then I got. Because there was just, a lot of threats. And then it. Then. And then things got. Then it was just kind of. That made me super. That made me kind of paranoid. And then my mom was visiting, and we went to the doctor. I went to the doctor just getting something looked at or something. And I was in the doctor’s office, and there was a nurse asked me questions or whatever, blah, blah, blah.

And then she’s like, I got. I have something for you. I was like, huh? And she’s like, oh, I got. I brought you something. Can I give it to you? And I was like, I’m at a doctor’s office. Something. She’d made something. I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: For you.

THEO VON: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, she’s a fan.

THEO VON: Something. And normally, I think it might have been, okay, let me. But I was just. It was such a weird time, and my mom was visiting, and it was. After the Charlie Kirk thing, it was just super scary. You just didn’t know what was going on. Watching that guy get killed was crazy. It was.

JOE ROGAN: And you know what’s crazy to me is the way people reacted. Oh, that scared me just as much as watching him get shot.

THEO VON: Well, yeah. Yeah. And let me think about that in just a second. I’m just thinking through the end of this, if you don’t mind, real quick. Sorry, I know you’re not interrupting.

JOE ROGAN: No, no worries.

THEO VON: So I’m in this doctor’s office, and it was just weird. I’m at the doctor. Made me feel like nothing was safe. It compounded on my head, oh, nothing’s safe. No place is safe where. Because I’d just given this girl, medical information, is this okay? You know?

And so I talked to the doctor, and it was all cool and stuff. But then I go outside, and I was sitting in my car. My mom was out there with me, and it had just, been a lot. A lot of stress. And I’m sitting there, I kind of was, kind of tearing up, talking to my mom, and just. I told her what happened in the doctor’s office. And it was after the DHS thing. Just a lot of stuff that felt like you don’t have any. There’s no. You’re solid. That you’re no one. I can’t think what I’m saying. You’re not safe. There’s no.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think you think that way in particular because you’re famous. So what, you felt like you were having a normal professional experience at a doctor, and then all of a sudden, it became a fan experience.

THEO VON: Right.

JOE ROGAN: Kind of trapped.

The Weight of Fame and Public Scrutiny

THEO VON: Right. That’s what I felt like. And it’s a doctor where you’re supposed to trust, like, you can be at a doctor. I’m sitting there for my mom, and she kind of put her hand on me, you know, and she’s like, everything will be okay.

And then I look up out of the window, and there was some young man literally this far from my window with his phone, filming me. And it was just like, that was a tough time where I think everything, I just got kind of paranoid.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a weird thing that people think is totally not normal to do. Just point a camera at people and film them because they’re famous. At a doctor’s office. Yeah, but it’s like, I just want to put it up on my Instagram, and I’m going to get 300 likes. Look, here it is. Me and Theo motherf*ing Von.

THEO VON: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I’m outside. He’s getting his pancreas looked at. They could break your medical information.

THEO VON: It felt like it was a movie though, and they were trying to break you. Like it felt like this, a couple weird things.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a personal thing though. That’s a personal thing with you because you’re famous. That’s one of the reasons why you think that everything’s falling apart, because you think everything’s falling apart for you, because you’re dealing with the fact that you’re crazy famous. That’s why you have this elevated sense of everything falling apart.

Like, look at the example that you cited. A lady who loves you, who’s a doctor, but she wants to give you something and you thought, man, I thought it was just at a doctor now. Trapped with some person because you feel like you’re trapped a lot. Trapped a lot. Talking to crazy people or people that want something from you, people that are grabbing at you. That’s what it is.

That’s why you personally feel like everything’s falling apart, because you’re having a hard time navigating your new situation. And then also your new situation is very different than just you as a comedian because this new situation is you voicing your opinions about things. And some things controversial and some things not so much. But then people enjoy it. And so it gets a lot of attention.

And when it gets a lot of attention, you also get a lot of haters. You’re going to get a lot of jealous people. You’re going to get a lot of people that just disagree with your choices and guests. You got a lot of people that think that what you’re doing is dangerous. There’s a lot of really f*ing idiot, really idiotic opinions that people attach to you that don’t make any sense, but they’re still out there.

And so you’re dealing with that too. And that’s a new thing that you’re dealing with that you never dealt with before. And it’s part of why you have this accelerated thought that everything has fallen apart. I don’t think it’s falling apart as bad as everybody thinks, but I think it’s something that it deserves consideration.

Like we could, this all could fall apart. And it could fall apart in a lot of very bad ways. And there’s a lot of natural ways it could happen, like we talked about before, but it could also be self inflicted. And at all costs we have to avoid the self inflicted thing. And the only way to avoid it is to not be on a side. You can’t be on that side or this side, but instead be on the side of the greater good of everybody. And there’s, that’s possible, too. We just, you have to force politicians to do that, you know.

Political Corruption and Foreign Influence

THEO VON: But is that going to happen with politicians? You know, I mean, look at Eric Adams this morning. He just did there, whatever that thing was. What did he do? He’s like, thanked, said he served Israel the best he could. It’s like, I don’t even know if we feel like America wanted to check.

JOE ROGAN: He probably did.

THEO VON: Got a nice check.

JOE ROGAN: I flew over to get that bag.

THEO VON: Yeah, flew over, got the bag. Driving a new Cadillac now, bro.

JOE ROGAN: They just pay people. The crazy thing is that Israel pays people for social media posts. I read that. Let’s put that into perplexity. Is that true? That might be another Russian hoax. I was reading that there’s countries, and I don’t think it’s just Israel, by the way. There’s countries that will pay influencers to post positive things about them.

THEO VON: Yeah. Really?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

THEO VON: Oh, well, even Qatar was like, they wanted me to come and experience their country. Right. And I had a nice time while I was there. Like, I think it was really neat. But we didn’t really talk about the different, if they have different points of view about things or what some of their rules and things like that are, you know.

JOE ROGAN: But did they want you to post nice things about them?

THEO VON: I think they wanted to experience, they wanted you to experience their country.

JOE ROGAN: Yes. Now, I’m assuming Israel has paid social media influencers to post content promoting its image, particularly in the United States, with reports indicating payments of up to $7,000 per post. This campaign, known as the Esther Project, is managed by a firm called Bridges Partners, LLC, which works on behalf of the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The program is disclosed under the U.S. Foreign Agents Registration Act, meaning that these payments are legally reported and require influencers to disclose that their content is funded by a foreign government. That’s crazy.

THEO VON: Well, I just don’t see how we’re supporting this country after the genocide. I just don’t see how that we are, how that’s okay to people. And I think that’s the part of me that I don’t understand. Right. About this, their leadership there and stuff. I just do not understand it. But then you start to think, well, am I crazy? Because it seems like it’s just okay that the politicians all think that this is okay. And so few of them speak up.

The Generational Divide on War

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think this is what’s separating the old people from the young people in this country. Like, if you look at the numbers of how many people that are 18 to 34 that support the war in Gaza, it’s very low. It’s very, very, very low. Because this is the first time you’ve ever been able to see what happens when a superpower is attacking a country that essentially doesn’t have an army.

And they’re doing it for years, and they’re just blowing buildings up. Like, we’ve never really seen that before. This is the first time in a time where everyone has cell phones, right. Obviously this has happened. You know, countries have bombed each other. Dresden, there’s been Hiroshima, of course, Nagasaki, they blew up entire cities, right? But we didn’t get to watch it happen bit by bit.

You didn’t get to see drone footage that’s in 4K. You know, you didn’t get to see cell phone footage of missiles being fired into camps, of people waiting in line for food. You didn’t get to see any of that sht. And, you know, you’re seeing wild sht. And then you’re also seeing horrible things that Hamas is doing, too. You’re seeing people. You’re seeing people getting publicly executed in front of everybody, in front of cheering crowds.

You’re seeing people get dragged out, kicked to the ground, gunned in the head. You’re seeing the horrors of war is what you’re seeing on both sides. And we just have a hard time accepting that that’s the only way to do things. And I think that the young people of this country, they don’t want any part of anything like that anymore.

They have been told by their parents, they’ve been told by the people they grew up with, that wars happen. There shouldn’t be any war. And most of this sht happens because people are making money. That’s what most of it. They prolong it so they can make more money. They want weapons development. They want to launch new sht. They want to sell sh*t to people that need weapons. And most young people are aware of that.

Now, where I think most people, my parents age, they, you know, all they had was the Vietnam War. They knew the Vietnam War was bad, but they didn’t, I don’t think they really knew the extent of how much corruption is involved in everything that our government does. Everything has the hand of some corporation attached to it. Everything has the influence of some foreign government or some country that has massive resources. There’s always, it’s never clean. Nothing’s clean.

TikTok and Foreign Control

THEO VON: Well, it just felt like me, I think, a lot of times. Well, for one, it feels like they’re going to stop allowing TikTok, people are going to own it. I think they’re selling it or something. So they probably won’t be able to show stuff like that anymore.

JOE ROGAN: Well, they sold it to Larry Ellison’s company. Right. Isn’t that who bought TikTok? Yeah, I want to be sure.

THEO VON: Do you think they’ll do that so they can limit its control? Like control what goes on it?

JOE ROGAN: The real worry that they had before that sale was that China was in control of it. And I think they’re right. And I think that if you have a foreign country and foreign country is using a very popular social media website to spread propaganda, spread things that absolutely aren’t true, along with, I’m sure some things that are true, but they have their finger on which way the influence goes. That’s dangerous. That’s dangerous.

Now, I’m not saying that Larry Ellison’s company’s going to do a great job of being totally objective and letting people criticize Israel, letting people criticize Hamas. I don’t know. We’ll see. We’ll have to see. I’d be crazy. Yeah, I don’t know.

THEO VON: I never met that guy. I don’t know anything about that.

JOE ROGAN: It’d be crazy for me to say any differently, but it’s not safe to have a foreign country that is actively trying to f* with the way people have discourse in America, which is certainly what China’s doing. So according to the, it hasn’t yet changed place. The shutdown had something to do with this. And this article is from today, I think, where people in Congress still don’t even know what’s going on. Right.

So this says Congress is still waiting to get briefed on how TikTok sale would actually stop Chinese algorithms from causing harm to US Citizens, US Military and US Interests. She said the lack of transparency has caused concern for both Democrats and Republicans who are still waiting for secure briefings on how to stop maligned actions.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: So this is the thing is like, that’s a good point because they do it on X. So Chinese bots, they swarm X. And there was a former FBI analyst, we read this article 100 times. His estimation is right around the time Elon was buying Twitter, that it could be as much as 80% bots.

THEO VON: Oh, so much is bots. It seems like so much is bots.

The Bot Problem and Digital Warfare

JOE ROGAN: But this is what that says. This is like China, this is Russia, this is foreign countries that they’ll say things about USAID, they’ll say things about gay rights, they’ll say things about LGBTQ whatever issues, whatever it is, the border, whatever it is, USAID, whatever it is, and they just flood the discourse. They flood it.

And so they have their finger either way on how much negative sht you see about any kind of cycle subject. And whoever’s the best at it, whoever’s the best at this kind of propaganda, this is like an incredible tool to use to demoralize another country, to have another country hating itself, hating its actions. And if you leave that in the hands of China and they own the company, like TikTok, at least if someone in America owns it, and again, I don’t know what they’re going to do, but at least if they own it, you would say, okay, but at least they’re not actively trying to f with us and make us battle back and forth. They’re just allowing the algorithm to do its natural course.

THEO VON: Right? I guess if they’re going to do that, we don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: Here’s the thing, if you can’t stop bots, then all of them are fed because they’re just going to keep making new accounts. It’s too easy. They sign up fake emails, fake person. They’re in. If you don’t make people and then, you know, what are you going to do? You’re going to require a digital ID. F that.

You should be able to be a whistleblower. If you’re working from some company and you find out they’re dumping nuclear waste into the ocean that’s killing all the fish, someone should be able to anonymously report that. And you should be able to do that through social media without having a digital ID that shows exactly who you are and they can shut you down.

THEO VON: It’s just like, I don’t know, it’s sketchy times. Well, sketchy times, you mean the same company, that company Palantir, that was doing all that crazy stuff in Gaza? In Gaza and they were like, you know, running.

JOE ROGAN: What are they doing?

THEO VON: All the drones and stuff like this alleged.

JOE ROGAN: What are you talking about? What are you saying they did?

THEO VON: That they had, were compiling data on people that were there and they were operating a lot of the drones in the sky that also had weapons attached to them.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, so you mean like facial recognition data, right? Do they have that capability with drones where they could just zoom around? Is this horseshit? It’s real. Jamie’s not even willing to talk on camera. He’s giving me. No, no, no.

THEO VON: They got a big contract in America now, which is scary to me. That’s what’s scary to me. That a drone could go by that. Maybe that’s what happened to Charlie Kirk. Who knows? Maybe a drone, you just have no. Who you can even point the finger at. A bullet comes out of the middle of nowhere.

JOE ROGAN: True.

THEO VON: That’s a kind of. I’m not saying I’m not paranoid about it all the time. I’m just saying I have.

JOE ROGAN: Listen. Okay, sorry, you’re right. However, China’s making drones and they’re making really good ones, way more sophisticated than our drones. If you don’t have drone development and some kind of drone defense system in America, you just. If you say, oh, no one should have that kind of power, you’re right. No one should have that kind of power. However, China already does.

So if you just have no innovation and you have no way to implement any kind of defense system with drones in America, but it’s already in China and it’s already in Russia, you’re kind of in trouble.

THEO VON: Okay. So you have to have something in that space you got to be moving forward into. Yeah, you got to have the weapon.

JOE ROGAN: Tell the people it’s like the nuclear bomb. If they’re already doing it, you better f*ing get it.

THEO VON: Right.

JOE ROGAN: You better get it.

THEO VON: I think.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

THEO VON: To me, it’s just scary that the company that was allegedly doing that there is the company that we hired to, I believe, create a database and have some of the same opportunities here, or they could potentially be able to do the same thing here. To me, it just kind of tracks.

AI-Powered Surveillance Systems

JOE ROGAN: Where it’s like, yeah, well, any one private company that has a database and all the information on every person and where you are and what you’re doing. Yeah, that’s of kind. What are you woofing? What’s going on?

I’m looking at the story, the reporting on this. It’s that absolute power corrupts absolutely thing. This is like absolute power. One AI system is called the Gospel. Another one’s called Where’s Daddy? Oh, Jesus Christ. They used to identify people. One of them is called Lavender. That sounds lovely.

AI enabled data processing system developed and used by the Israeli occupation forces in their. This says genocidal campaign against Gaza have caught widespread attention prompting journalists to call Gaza the site of the first AI powered genocide. AI technology was reportedly first used in Gaza during Israel’s 11 day assault in 2021 during the ongoing genocide.

For the first time, it’s being used to kill Palestinians at an unprecedented level and at much faster rates. The known. These three known systems identified targets for airstrikes based on Israeli mass surveillance records of the Palestinians in Gaza that have been collapsed, collected for years by the IOF under the racist framework of monitoring what they deem as threats to the Israeli regime. This is from palestine-studies.org so.

THEO VON: So who knows also how.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, this. I mean, it’s obviously going to be favored towards them. Yeah. But I. Listen, I absolutely believe they have that kind of technology.

THEO VON: The scariest part to me. Jamie, will you bring it back up for one more second? The scariest part to me was just the quickness they could do it. And then the review, right. A few Israeli intelligence agents shared with Plus972 magazine that they personally only take 20 seconds for review and approve the airstrike recommendation using a time only.

JOE ROGAN: To confirm if the target is a male. Whoa. It’s unclear if this is actual policy, right? What is that? So this is.

THEO VON: But yeah, this started making this share.

JOE ROGAN: Okay. So they shared this in a max. They shared. This is. So they said this in an interview in a magazine that it only takes 20 seconds to review and the time is only to confirm if the target’s a male. It’s unclear if this is actual policy.

In August, however, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights released a statement revealing that the majority of those killed in Gaza are women and children. So here’s the other thing. Obviously horrible things have happened there. Right. But if you’re getting your information from the people where the horrible things are happening, it’s hard to know if they’re being accurate.

I don’t know if it is truly that they’re mostly killing women or children. Women and children.

THEO VON: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Or if a good percentage of them have actually been Hamas agents. I don’t know.

THEO VON: Yeah, I think this is.

JOE ROGAN: That’s what Israel says, right. They say that a lot of them were Hamas.

THEO VON: Yeah, yeah. There’s two year old Hamas agents. They were fine shooting, which who knows? I don’t know. Who knows?

JOE ROGAN: Well, I bet they probably think about him as future. Especially now when you’ve blown up their f*ing city. I mean, how many. If there were terrorists there, how many are created by watching something like that happen? Quite a bit.

Surveillance State Concerns

THEO VON: Well, the thing for me, I just thought America would come help at some point. That was just scary. I think that’s when I just thought, oh, I just have a different concept of what’s going on. Or also these are just my thoughts. I don’t know what’s going on and I don’t need anybody to believe my thoughts or think the same way I do.

I think the thing that made me nervous was that same company, Palantir, got a deal in America to create a database and help with surveillance and stuff. So that just makes me scared, and made me a little bit nervous. Not scared, but just a little bit like, what’s going on here? Are we going to enter a surveillance state?

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s one of the arguments for letting chaos take place. One of the arguments for letting crime, letting criminals back out is that you make it so dangerous that in order to make it safe, you have to put restrictions on people. And that’s the only way.

And you show that it’s effective and then people comply, and then everybody has a digital ID. The government tracks you. Like that Life360 app where you can track all your friends, track all your family.

THEO VON: Yeah. See if your wife’s running around and you. Whatever.

JOE ROGAN: And the government going to Hardee’s a lot. The government can do that as well.

THEO VON: Yeah. Well, I think one thing that made.

JOE ROGAN: That, I thought, how crazy that is to allow the government to constantly know where you are and what you’re doing. And constantly you’ll be looking over your shoulders. So you’re going to self censor. You’re going to be scared. You’re going to be scared to talk because your phone’s going to be listening.

THEO VON: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, crazy. We were sitting, we mentioned Chuck Schumer, and then you opened your phone.

JOE ROGAN: That’s nuts.

THEO VON: I mean, that was.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, what’s the possibility?

THEO VON: And that was momentarily later.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, momentarily later. The algorithm recognized that I was talking about Chuck Schumer. Let’s see if it works. Big fat tits. I mean, big fat tits. Okay. Big fat tits on your 45 year old stepmom. Ooh, I’m not talking. Here we go. Imagine if it just that front porch goes to. Nope, I got head kicked.

THEO VON: What about the explore page? Would you buy a.

JOE ROGAN: Check my explore page real quick.

THEO VON: Would you buy a cat off a Facebook marketplace?

JOE ROGAN: Sure, why not?

THEO VON: Okay, I wouldn’t.

JOE ROGAN: If it’s a cute cat. F*, that cat looks fun.

THEO VON: Look, I’m not buying a cat.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, right in my for you page.

THEO VON: Let me see one of them. Huh?

JOE ROGAN: Hey, how about in my for you page? Funner test is text something random to someone and then give it five minutes and check your for you pages on an app. Right away it’s ladies with large boobs.

THEO VON: I said, hey, let me see one of them. And guess what? The other one looks like, that’s my old trick.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a good trick. Then you’re like, I don’t know. No, I bet that other one’s weird looking. That one’s too perfect. There’s no way they both look the same.

THEO VON: Dude, I used to do this. Watch how you deal.

JOE ROGAN: Wow.

THEO VON: I used to do this fun thing I would have. If I sat next to somebody in an airplane, I would have them draw a picture of their kids. If they had kids, I’d be like, draw a picture of your kids. And dude, it would be the most.

JOE ROGAN: F*ing ridiculous looking picture.

THEO VON: But it would always be pretty fun. I think I was just concerned about if that’s the company that does it here. So that’s where my brain tracks. Like a windmount.

JOE ROGAN: No, that should be scary.

Immigration and Congressional Power

THEO VON: That’s why I think ICE stuff happen, because I think they have to get everybody on the books. This isn’t about, they have to do an inventory now of everyone because they’re going to need otherwise. When it’s a surveillance state, it’s all going to know. If you’re not documented or on the bill of sale or whatever it’s going to be, or you’re not on the inventory list.

If you’re not inventoried in the country, then the machine will know immediately, oh, this isn’t. You’re not even supposed to be here. Right. So that’s why I think that the ICE stuff is happening. Because I think one of the reasons is they have to get everything inventoried.

JOE ROGAN: I see what you’re saying. I think the ICE stuff is happening. A lot of it is because of political power. It’s congressional seats because the census just counts people. They don’t count legal citizens. And when you let people come over here illegally and then you give them food and you give them Medicare there, what happens is those people are going to vote for you if they can.

And they’re also going to count. They’re going to stay, they’re going to. And so they count in your district as congressional seats. That’s what’s crazy. They only count the people. They don’t count the citizens. So if you get as many people in as possible, you can take over congressional seats.

And if you make it really easy for those people to get by, they say, hey, California is the place to go. They don’t give a f*. You can be illegal there.

THEO VON: Nobody can.

JOE ROGAN: Which is the way it was basically until I started arresting people. It’s always been like that. I mean, what percentage of people do you run into LA in LA that are illegals? A lot and no one cares. It’s always been like that, right?

THEO VON: I don’t care. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Now all of a sudden they’re getting arrested. But there is the argument that by having people that came over illegally, you change the congressional map. You do, you get more seats, and that’s kind of crazy. That’s kind of crazy.

THEO VON: It’s all fun. It just feels like. I don’t know, it feels like very lit. I don’t know, it’s a. It feels like a lot of different things. But you’re right. I think you just have to focus in on things that are important.

JOE ROGAN: It’s an easy way to increase your population, man. Make it so people can definitely come over, make it so. Cut holes in the fence for them. You ever see when they did that, they cut holes in the fence like some people had put up these f*ing heavy duty fences.

THEO VON: And here, I’ll put that titty bar right there. You put a titty bar right there.

JOE ROGAN: Boy, you should have a bottle of water. Sales is the better move.

THEO VON: Water and tits.

JOE ROGAN: What about that together? I think generally people like alcohol with their tits.

THEO VON: I don’t know if you’ve been in the desert for a couple days.

JOE ROGAN: That’s true. It’s a good point. Very good point. Where’s my bookmarks?

THEO VON: Here it is.

Border Security and Immigration Policy

JOE ROGAN: I’ll send you this, Jamie. Because this is kind of crazy. When you watch it, you’re like, what could you possibly be doing here other than purposely letting people into the country? I think there was a lot of that. And I think there was a lot of that because they want cheap labor, too. That was something that someone told me once, that they were stunned that a CEO said that they were against these border enforcements because they wanted cheap labor. So they said it right out to him. Look at this. Biden Harris sent forklifts to open the border when Texas built a razor wall.

THEO VON: It’s all insane.

JOE ROGAN: Like, why would you do that? Wait a minute. You did what? You sent a forklift to open up the razor wire. What?

THEO VON: But do you think that they all know that? The other parties just do. Like, do you think that they all go behind closed doors and be like, okay, what are you guys going to do this month? And then we’re going to do this? And it’s all just of this theatrical.

JOE ROGAN: No, I don’t think they coordinate like that. I think they hate each other. No, but this is nuts, man. This is like genuinely nuts. And by the way, I feel for these people. I would do the same thing. I would 100% be in line. I see these people with their babies hoping for a chance at a better life in America. They’re not the problem. The problem is cartel people and the whole congressional seats thing, that’s the problem.

THEO VON: Well, these people have all have become pawns. They’ll send information to the countries that they live in and get them to come.

JOE ROGAN: It’s like, listen, if the population. You’re right. I didn’t mean to interrupt you.

THEO VON: No, it’s. I don’t even know probably what I was saying, but I don’t know if the population. We’re better than the population. That’s what I’m saying. We’re better than this.

JOE ROGAN: You and I are.

THEO VON: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

THEO VON: As people. We are better than this. And we have all this elected officials and these people that we thought were sociopaths. When does that end?

JOE ROGAN: That’s good question.

THEO VON: Can it end? Do you think there’s a way to end?

AI and the Future of Government

JOE ROGAN: It’s going to be hard. My suspicion is it ends when AI starts sorting government. We’re probably going to use AI with government to prevent this kind of f*ery that we see on an everyday basis. AI will logically make decisions as to what makes sense and what doesn’t make sense about our current legal structure. Some things, things that if people become politicians and the reason why they become politicians is they know they can inside trade with Nancy Pelosi and make hundreds of millions of dollars like she did. That’s crazy. That can’t be that way anymore.

And I think any intelligent artificial intelligence that’s not attached to an ideology or a party is going to immediately look if they both agree, if America votes on it and say we want AI to take a look at the government. And AI immediately goes like, you can’t do that. You can’t do this. This is bad, this is evil. This is a lie. This is truth. And you’re suppressing it. And then we probably don’t have anything remotely like the government we have now because I think that mind reading software, it’s already in beta, right?

It’s already, they’re already able to communicate, going back and forth, asking each other questions. They don’t, they have headsets. You don’t even have to get an implant. Does that. Is it Google that did that? Jamie, what was the company that did that? Where they were asking each other questions and then answering them? Not Google. I don’t even think that’s available yet? No, but it’s in beta. The point is, it’s in beta. So they’re doing this already.

And as this stuff gets more potent, it’s going to be just like we used to have little flip phones without a color screen, and now you have an iPhone. And it’s going to be that. It’s going to go from you used to be able to just ask each other questions to, we can all read each other’s minds. It’s coming, man. And when that happens, Turtle face that Mitch McConnell motherf*er. You can’t operate anymore as a leader. You can’t. No. You’re seen now as what you are. You’re an agent of money. You’re a money agent. Moving money and influence around. You’re not doing it for the greater good of people by any stretch of the imagination.

And also, how are you still working when you windows 98 on us every now and then? Yeah, that guy just freezes up. You ever see him? Yeah.

THEO VON: Because his fricking. His.

JOE ROGAN: You ever see him lock up? Just lock up. How is that guy still able to make decisions on anything?

THEO VON: His receptors are down. You f*ing see his receptors go down.

JOE ROGAN: Do you think he’s a robot?

THEO VON: You think he’s not a robot? What do you think at this point? That guy. They didn’t even update his lips. If you.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, people are RFK Jr. Imagine we found out. Imagine if Candace comes out and she does a deep dive and said there was no RFK Jr. Do you know that all those photos are AI. This is a. There’s no evidence of him whatsoever until 2021.

THEO VON: And she’s like. And what is this here? RFK Jr has a Camel toe. What is this here?

JOE ROGAN: A woman.

Candace Owens and Conspiracy Theories

THEO VON: He’s the first dude. Candace is the best dude I went to see. She has. Her and her husband have four of the most beautiful kids in the world. And they’re so funny. And you go over there and they’re just dying laughing. And one of them looks just like her. It’s so funny. Dude.

JOE ROGAN: Do you think she’s right about that French president? Yes. Whether or not he is married to a man. She’s all in on that, bro.

THEO VON: She’s all in.

JOE ROGAN: Well, they’re suing her, aren’t they? They.

THEO VON: I think they are. I don’t know if they still are.

JOE ROGAN: I think they’re at least threatening a lawsuit. And so, for 50 million bucks.

THEO VON: Wee wee nerve. That would be my. If she ever writes a book. That’s got to be it. But dude, it is kind of strange that the guy is dating his teacher.

JOE ROGAN: Right when he was 40 and the kid was 15 or she was 40. Even if it was a shame, she what? And again, this is France. They’re very different over there. Yeah, pedophilia is just like, oh, get.

THEO VON: Your weed out of that child.

JOE ROGAN: Oui, Nell, what have you done?

THEO VON: Ouie, nel.

JOE ROGAN: He’s almost 15, bro.

THEO VON: That if she does though, she better have a hog on her.

JOE ROGAN: And I’m bet she doesn’t.

THEO VON: That’s what I’m saying. I don’t know if she has the body style to have a real fing hog on her. And that if they release. The last thing needs. The last thing France needs is to release a wiener that looks like it’s retreating kind of. It will just go down in this. They need to release a fing hulk.

JOE ROGAN: Did you see that information?

THEO VON: I don’t think they have it on.

Hitler’s Genetic Disorder

JOE ROGAN: They might have had a micropenis. They got genes from Hitler’s blood and it seems to indicate that he had a genetic disorder that would lead you to have a micropenis. Which totally makes sense, right?

THEO VON: I’m not surprised these days about Hitler.

JOE ROGAN: Why would you be surprised? Hitler would be the guy I would think would been have a micro penis. The guy wants to kill everybody and take over the world.

THEO VON: Oh yeah, Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: A little tiny d and he’s fing doing coke and heroin and all. He was doing oxycodone, man, and he had his whole army on meth.

THEO VON: Yeah, that’s f*ing wild.

JOE ROGAN: With a little d*. Just running everything. Making of a tyrant. How Hitler’s deformed genital shaped his personality.

THEO VON: Whoa, here’s the thing. Know, here’s the thing. If you had a little d, you would always check and make sure you’d be like, f, it’s still little. That’s what would happen all the time. Or every day you’d woke up you’d be like. It’d be like the masked singer. You open your pants and hope.

JOE ROGAN: It was something he knows. I think he knows this little d* is little. He’s like, now everyone gets punished. Poland, Polish guys with big old hogs. He’s probably jealous.

THEO VON: Yeah, brother. I think they. Yeah, I don’t know in the future. I don’t even know if they got little, little d*s in the future.

JOE ROGAN: I think that’s what aliens are. That’s us generalists. You know how they got the DNA?

THEO VON: How?

JOE ROGAN: From the blood soaked couch he apparently blew his brains out on. It says yo, they saved that? Yeah. It says the first guy that found it took a piece of the couch, saved it, and they studied that. Wow. Some people think that didn’t happen. Yeah, some people think he got moved to Argentina, right? Yeah. This also said there’s only a 1 in 10 chance he had a micro penis.

THEO VON: Oh.

JOE ROGAN: Oh. That’s a lot of chances. I don’t like those odds. I ain’t playing Russian roulette with a revolver with 10 rounds in it. That all right? I got a piece. We got to wrap this up, dude, I have to pee so bad. Thank you. Glad. I’m glad we waited. I love.

THEO VON: You’re the best. I love you too, man. Thanks for. Yeah, thanks for everything. Thanks for this.

JOE ROGAN: Fun hanging with you, as always. Goodbye, everybody.

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