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Gilbert Doctorow: Russia & China Reconsider U.S. Relations Over Iran War (Transcript)

Editor’s Notes: In this episode, host Glenn Diesen is joined by historian and international affairs analyst Gilbert Doctorow to examine the profound global ramifications of the Iran war, particularly its impact on Russia and China. The discussion delves into the “lawlessness” of modern diplomacy and how the conflict is reshaping the strategies of major Eastern powers while highlighting the growing fissures within Western alliances like the EU. Doctorow provides a critical analysis of the Kremlin’s cautious response and the potential for a deeper military-strategic realignment in the East as the traditional world order continues to fracture. (March 24, 2026)

TRANSCRIPT:

Introduction

GLENN DIESEN: Welcome back. We are joined today by Gilbert Doctorow, a historian and international affairs analyst, to discuss how the Iran war is affecting the east and primarily Russia. So thank you for coming back on.

GILBERT DOCTOROW: Hi. Very good to be with you.

The Many Dimensions of the Iran War

GLENN DIESEN: So we see that this Iran war, it has many dimensions to it, which I assume would have to be interpreted by the Russians in different ways. So it’s everything from this deceptive diplomacy to the lawlessness of the thing, the brutality of the war in terms of the willingness to escalate, killing government leaders, attacks on critical infrastructure, nuclear power plants.

It could be the goal of weakening Russia and China. But we also see some US miscalculation, Iranian resilience likely, and the possible destruction of the Gulf states if their desalination plants go. And we see a split in the relationship between Americans and Europeans.

So, again, much of these are indications that the ramification of this war will not merely be regional, but indeed global. So how do you see this whole disaster unfolding in the Middle East impacting and being interpreted by the east and again, Russia and China, primarily?

Russia’s Muted Response and the Kremlin’s Silence

GILBERT DOCTOROW: Well, I think the first thing I’d like to do was delay a little bit here, because when we speak about Russia, we speak about President Putin and his administration, about his foreign minister, what they’re saying, and then what the chattering classes are saying. People — the Moscow establishment — are saying, as exhibited on the talk shows and not only in the talk shows, they are very, very different.

If you look strictly at President Putin and his immediate assistants or Foreign Minister Lavrov, you see very little reaction, astonishingly little reaction from the Kremlin to these dramatic, shocking developments which bear upon the whole of the possible relationship with Donald Trump and with the world order in general.

Trump’s behavior is obscene. It’s obnoxious. I don’t want to just search for other derogatory words. I think he’s reserved for himself a secure place in hell. But that’s my personal opinion. I’m not speaking as an analyst.

Speaking as an analyst, what he has done is utterly shocking, utterly disrupts anything resembling the world order. Respect for the UN Charter, respect for international law. He has spoken of his being held in check only by his own moral limits, his own take on morality, and not by international or other law. And he’s acting accordingly. The problem is that his morality is bestiality. His behavior, by ordinary human standards, is the most awful thing we’ve seen in a very, very long time.

Let me distinguish between what is said and what is done. American presidents and their assistants have done some horrible things going back to Nixon and to Kissinger, but they never spoke about it so openly, in your face. “We can do anything and you’ll have to settle with what we do.” This is utterly shocking. That distinction comes up, of course, in all the talk shows. They make a great deal about it that we’ve never witnessed this type of directness — transparency for America’s “might makes right.”

But at the level of the Kremlin, it’s almost total silence. Of course they don’t dare say anything about Mr. Trump’s showing his true nature. They don’t say they’re going to continue negotiations. They don’t say they’re going to take them off. They only note that they are in suspense and that the Americans have requests of that.

The Meaninglessness of Iran’s Alliances with Russia and China

As regards Iran, many of us in the alternative media had assumed that Iran was bracketed — both in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and in BRICS — by these two major powers which provided it with stability, some sense of security, and with good reason to behave in an orderly way and not to be a sponsor of terrorism. Now we see that these two brackets are virtually meaningless.

Both Russia and China — and I’m very cautious about this because how much our knowledge is valid is difficult to say, since all of these things are kept in the dark — but considering the lack of accusations against Russia and China for giving meaningful support to Iran, we can assume that there is no meaningful support to Iran.

We heard that Washington was shocked that the Russians could possibly be supplying military intelligence to Iran. How horrible. That’s as much as we saw. The Israelis said that they blasted out of the water ships that were carrying Russian arms to Iran. Russia has denied that they were carrying any weapons or that these even were Russian ships. But aside from that, we don’t hear a word about Russian arms being supplied.

So what is the meaning of the alliance or the cooperation agreements? What is the meaning of Iran being in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization or BRICS? I would say at this point, zero.

Iran’s Surprising Resilience

Now, I don’t mean to be too harsh here, because what we all have learned — including the Russians and the Chinese, and of course Mr. Trump and his close associates — is that Iran is pretty capable of looking after its own interests more than anyone.

Without even taking into account the 4,000-kilometer two-stage missile that was fired, they have shown a capability of maintaining prioritization, firing timing, and all of the things that come from command and control, which supposedly was utterly destroyed by American and Israeli attacks.