Joe Rogan Experience: #2436 with Whitney Cummings (Transcript)

No seat belt? No, just. Just plywood with handles.

JOE ROGAN: With a handle.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But we would also. That’s such a testament to our nature because we would make it even more dangerous. Like, remember, like, you’d be on the seesaw. Like, if you were up. I would. You’d, like, jump off it?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: To watch the kid.

JOE ROGAN: Just to watch the kid f*ing plummet to the earth.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So sadistic. Just careen to the earth.

JOE ROGAN: Okay. What does. Our sponsor, Perplexity, said pointed metal lawn darts were officially linked to three child deaths in the United States before they were banned. Just three, definitely more than that officially linked. From 1978 to 1986, approximately 6,100 to 6,700 people were treated in US emergency rooms for lawn dart injuries, most of them children. Found lion dart injuries led to a 4% case fatality rate in its patient sample with many severe head and eye injuries, which helped justify the eventual ban.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So only a couple, but mostly children. I would like to know the story of the adults, but I mean, people.

JOE ROGAN: Hit people with shovels all the time, I guess because lawn darts are a toy that they had abandoned.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, there was a lot of that. Remember? What are the pogo sticks?

JOE ROGAN: Mm.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I mean, those were so dangerous. When you think about. They were just like. They were just like always.

JOE ROGAN: We still have those though, pogo sticks. Those were hard to do, those dangerous toys for kids.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Trampolines. Remember the ones with the metal coils?

The Atomic Energy Lab

JOE ROGAN: Oh, did you ever see the Atomic energy lab in the 1950s?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It actually had legitimate radioactive material.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I love that. They were like, you know what, guys? Child labor. This is inhumane. This is wrong. Come go play with some toys. Here’s a radioactive uranium bomb.

JOE ROGAN: Well, didn’t Michio Kaku make a. Some sort of a reactor in his basement or his backyard or something like that when he was a child?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, legend.

JOE ROGAN: Well, he’s like a legitimate scientist, but I mean, when he was a child, he made a f*ing nuclear reactor in his backyard.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I went to get Nyquil or Sudafed the other day and they made me show my ID.

JOE ROGAN: Oh yeah, because you can make meth with it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right? Right, right, right. Sick.

JOE ROGAN: Meanwhile, you get a prescription for Adderall. You just say you have ADHD.

ADHD and Adderall Culture

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I don’t even think you have to do that. You just have to be like, I’m bored.

JOE ROGAN: Right?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m neurodivergent. Yeah, right.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, it’s all self diagnosed, you know, I can’t concentrate.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Are we going to look back the way that we look at like, you know, the Nazis and go like they were on meth? Are we going to look back in like 20 years and be like, everyone was on meth?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, everyone’s on Adderall, that’s for damn sure. I mean, the amount of journalists that are on Adderall is off the charts. A friend of mine was telling me like, all of his colleagues take Adderall to help him work. Yeah, because they have so many projects that they’re doing that require intense f*ing research and they’re googling saying, ChatGPT, please write my article for me.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Did you see? I think it was the New York Times or someone left in. Jamie, do you remember the prompt that ends the. You know what it spits out on ChatGPT to prove that they had just copy and pasted it, like, wild.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, there’s a lot of that. There’s a lot of shitty people in every walk of life. There’s bad doctors, bad plumbers, bad journalists. But a lot of them are on Adderall. A lot of them are on speed.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s just that there’s so much adrenaline out there to get. There’s so many, like, natural ways, I feel like, to get that, you know?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. But I don’t think it covers you. I think if you really want to, like, sit in front of that f*ing computer and bang out words, it seems like Adderall is the way to go.

The Truth About ADHD

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But if you really do have ADD or whatever, this is, like, I’m the first to say, like, what are all these diagnoses? But because I was prescribed 5 milligrams, slow release Adderall. To sleep.

JOE ROGAN: To sleep.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: If you actually have it, it calms you down. It doesn’t amp you up.

JOE ROGAN: What is it? What is it?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: ADHD, the inability to focus or a busy brain? Dude, I. Look, I just. I think a lot of our superpowers are being dull. A lot of people superpowers are being dulled by pharma, and we’re being pathologized for actually kind of extreme strengths, you know, in a lot of ways.

JOE ROGAN: So there’s a lot of, like, legitimate people that are arguing that about ADHD.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Okay, good.

JOE ROGAN: I’m not like, a legitimate psychologist. Neuroscientists, it’s. What it is, is you can’t concentrate on things you’re not interested in, but you can concentrate on things you’re interested in, like, heavily. Like, if people that are. That supposedly have ADHD, they can play video games for f*ing 10 hours a day.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. That’s exactly right.

JOE ROGAN: Well, how come? Because it’s exciting.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, they can’t sit in a classroom and watch some pedophile lecture them on fake history while they’re getting hemorrhoids and some, like, chair with, like, shitty lighting above them. I mean, it’s like, yeah, of course kids are bored. Of course they can’t sit still.

JOE ROGAN: Exactly.

Education and Focus

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You know. Well, it was. I was reading about how Finland, they don’t teach their kids to read until they’re like, seven because it’s better to have them develop their ability to focus first on the things they want to do. So by the time they do learn to read they actually, you know, can focus.

JOE ROGAN: Sounds like a terrible idea. You’re going to be so far behind my kids.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, yeah. I mean, look, I think in America.

JOE ROGAN: Learn how to read when they’re little babies.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: If at all. If at all.

JOE ROGAN: If they do.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like. I mean. Yeah, that’s the other thing. When it’s like, don’t teach kids to read. It’s like, by that time, is Neuralink just going to learn to read for them? Who knows? It’s interesting. Like, having a kid now. I’m like, what do I. What world do I prepare them for? Do I even teach them Mandarin? Or is that just going to be like. Remember when U2 just put a song on our phone?

JOE ROGAN: Mm.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It was so weird.

The U2 Album Controversy

JOE ROGAN: Well, that was Apple’s idea. And, you know, I talked to Bono about that. He was. You know, it was devastating for them because all of a sudden, everyone hated U2. They used to love U2.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: They had so many hits. They’re so good. And then all of a sudden, f* you. Why are you on my phone?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Isn’t interesting the human nature of, I love something unless you force it on me.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Well, it’s just people are always looking for a reason to complain. And if you have this song on your phone, right away, like, hey, f* these guys.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But also, I want to hunt. Let me find it. Let me feel like I discovered something.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think they just thought it would be a great way to promote this new album, and they just really didn’t understand human nature.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s also. Yeah, it used to be, like, if you saw five billboards for something, you’re like, I got to see that movie. Now you see, like, five ads for it, and you’re like, why are you trying so hard? If it’s good, I’ll hear about it.

The Danger of Overexposure

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. I try to tell it to my friends, like, do not get overexposed. There’s a reason. I mean, I don’t just say no to everything because I’m not interested in doing anything more.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: But it’s also because I’m clearly overexposed. And you got to know when you’re overexposed. But I have friends that, like, they’ll do every f*ing interview that anybody asks. They’ll do every project that comes up. They never have any time. Like, I got to slow down. Yeah, you got to slow down. Like, why are you doing all this shit? You’re already wealthy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Why are you doing this?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Be a little mysterious.

JOE ROGAN: Live a f*ing life.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Mm.

JOE ROGAN: Live a life on top of what you’re doing. Live an actual life. Don’t wait until you’re 60 and go, what did I do right?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Even if it’s for. If you need to justify it through workaholic purposes. Like, it took me so long to get out of my workaholism the first time, I had to do it by justifying it, by going, I’ll be better at my work if I have a life. Like, for art to imitate life, you have to have a life. That’s how I’m going to go get stories. That’s how I’m going to go.

You know, I think especially as a comic now, there’s a lot of funny people out there. I think if we’ve learned anything from memes and stuff, you’re like, I don’t. This guy just works at Best Buy. And who made this meme? This is hilarious. You know, I think in the beginning, a lot of it was, like, stolen from comics. Remember, like that fat, Jewish and.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah. Whatever happened to that guy?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There was another one too. I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: But he was stealing memes or he was stealing jokes and turning them into memes.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There was a couple where you would go, like, that’s a Mitch Hedberg joke. Like, that’s definitely a Steven Wright joke or Dimitri or something. But like Zach Galifianakis or it would be lesser known comics, you know, like, they go to a lesser known comic feed. Like people that wrote for Fallon or.

JOE ROGAN: Leno go to a showcase night at.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: The store or, like, get their tweets. You can just pull their tweets and change them a little bit.

The Fat Jewish Phenomenon

JOE ROGAN: Whatever happened to that guy? Because he was hated. Boy, when he got started getting exposed, he was hated. And then he just kind of vanished for a while.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There was another one too, and I don’t remember the name of it that was doing the same exact thing.

JOE ROGAN: But the fat Jewish guy almost seemed like he was like a corporate created entity. He had, like the crazy hair, right? That weird f*ing bun.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He was like a slob. But he had like a wine like it.

JOE ROGAN: He sold it to Anheuser Busch for millions of dollars. I don’t know how much.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Wow. So he sold it.

JOE ROGAN: What did he sell? A rosé, Right? What is rosé? It’s a type of wine, but that’s what the brand was called. The. Oh, no, no, no.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I know what rosé that is my heart cannot take.

JOE ROGAN: He made a rosé called rosé.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Rosé.

JOE ROGAN: I know it’s rosé, the wine called Babe. I see that now. Rosé Co. Called Babe. Oh. So he sold his wine and then he just like, I’m out for millions and now, yeah, it says he’s about to open a bank.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Where do I sign up?

JOE ROGAN: Whatever. It must be hilarious if he’s opening up a bank. Definitely didn’t steal those jokes. Yeah, most. Most really hilarious people want to open a bank.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I love that. He’s just like, I’m Jewish. What am I good at? Open a bank.

JOE ROGAN: Like, what? He turned out, he’s not even Jewish exactly. Baptist or something.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, Jews are like, we’re not fat. What is it? Like, get your shit together. But also, yeah, that was so, like, for a second there, I was like, Joe, there’s a chance he doesn’t know what rosé is.

JOE ROGAN: No, no, no, no. I know what that is. You know, I just thought it was a company.

The Rainey Street Killer

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s what, like, the Rainey Street Killer gives his victims before pushing him up. Dude, your boy Brandon over here. I was like, what’s up? The Rainey want the updates on the Austin serial killer who’s pushing gay dudes off bridges. And he said he’s like, I think it’s tech. Tech guys, they come down from San Francisco during South by Southwest, and he strikes when it’s like, a tech conference.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And he doesn’t live here.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, they’re trying to pretend that it’s not really a serial killer. The cops want to say, it’s not really a serial killer. I’m like, how many guys have to drown before you start getting nervous?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So they’re only gay that these guys?

JOE ROGAN: Well, it’s a gay neighborhood. That’s the thing. Not all of Rainey street, but there’s a lot of, like, gay bars and gay spots on Rainey Street.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: How do the cops know the victims are gay? They just, like, check their assholes. They’re like, hey, like, I fed his. I fed the corpse’s asshole.

JOE ROGAN: He’s gay. They bring a dilator.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You know, I’ve seen that guy in Grindr.

JOE ROGAN: He is gay.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That reminds me of, like, the Nazi. It’s been 10 minutes, and I brought up Nazis twice. The Nazis also killed gay people. And, like, I’m obsessed with how there were Nazis that had to find out who was gay.

JOE ROGAN: So did Christians.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, really?

JOE ROGAN: Of course. It’s in the Bible.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, I just f* these guys. They are gay. Let’s get them.

JOE ROGAN: In the old days, in the Bible, if a man layeth with another man, you’re supposed to be put to death.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That means, like, someone signed up to be like, I’ll do it. I’ll. I’ll investigate who’s gay around here.

JOE ROGAN: Well, the thing is, though, they were all gay.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the crazy thing. Like, if you go back in history, guys were f*ing each other all the time. The Spartans did it. They had a philosophy that you would defend your lover more because, like, if you were fighting alongside a man that you loved, you would defend him more.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Was it love? Is that what love is? I’m still trying to figure it out.

JOE ROGAN: Everybody’s got their own definition for that. Like, what is it? Yeah. Love is mysterious.

Looking Back at Modern Practices

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Mm. That’s wild. I always am. Like, what are the things we’re doing now that we’re going to look back in 50 years and be like, remember in 2006 when they were doing that?

JOE ROGAN: Trans surgeries.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Mm.

JOE ROGAN: 100%, especially on children also having phones 24.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: 7. Do you think phones will be like cigarettes?

JOE ROGAN: We’ll be like, no, no. It’ll be in your body by then.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, right.

JOE ROGAN: It’ll be fun. They’ll be laughing. Remember when you used to have to carry your phone around?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right.

JOE ROGAN: Back in my day.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right, right, right.

JOE ROGAN: You could leave your phone at a restaurant.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right. Remember when you couldn’t just print from your mouth?

JOE ROGAN: Mm. Remember when you could find a phone and just make calls from it because there was no passwords? You found someone’s flip phone, you just open that bitch up and start calling people. Yeah. You’d have to shut your phone off. You’d have to go to the Verizon store. I go, hey, shut my f*ing phone off.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And by then, it was just calling China. Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: That was the other thing. You would have roaming charges. Do you remember those?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yes. Also remember when you lost your phone and that was it?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Now I can find my phone within my own house. It’ll tell me what room it’s in.

The Cloud and Data Backup

JOE ROGAN: Well, not only that, if I don’t find my phone, I could just go to the Apple Store and my phone is in the cloud. And then instantaneously, I get a new phone that’s the same phone as my old phone with all my messages, all my notes, which is even more. My notes are more important than my messages because I keep so many material ideas.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But you back them up.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah. Always. Yeah, that. That is. I do. Not only do I back them up, but I use other apps as well. I use Evernote. Back them up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, yeah, I like Evernote. And Elephant was one I was using for a while. It’s like, same thing. Like, organize helps. Like, organize, because you can also search, like, by keyword, you know, because sometimes, like, I look, mom brain, you know, is real. But I think it’s kind of good. I think it’s like. It’s like a software update. It’s like deleting shit I didn’t need to be remembering anyway.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a nice way of coping, you know?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, my hippocampus was just full of some. I actually, in some ways feel like you might be smarter if you forget half the shit, you know, because half the shit we learned has been debunked anyway. Like, half of, like, science and history, like, is not even so me unknowing. It might even make me smarter.

Medical Knowledge and the Food Pyramid

JOE ROGAN: Like, Andrew Huberman was having a conversation with a professor at Stanford, and he said, what percentage of what’s in medical journals and what’s taught in school is no longer applicable? He said, at least 50%.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Unbelievable.

JOE ROGAN: At least 50%. 50% of the stuff that they were telling people, like, look, they just turned the food pyramid upside down yesterday.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: The food pyramid. Not only did it used to just be like. Like, bran muffins, it was just. It was rice, like, bear claw. Like, what the f*?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, you need spaghetti. That’s number one. SpaghettiOs is at the base.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s so crazy.

JOE ROGAN: Ravioli slightly above that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And remember, they had just had a fish with, like, eyeballs. Like, what? That’s actually probably a good one, though. But.

The Food Pyramid Deception

JOE ROGAN: But at the top, you know, now the littlest amount of stuff you’re supposed to get is grains, and you’re supposed to get meat and eggs at the bottom, which was always… I mean, look, there was a study that was widely criticized fairly recently that labeled Fruit Loops as being healthier than ground beef.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But who sponsored that study?

JOE ROGAN: That’s the thing about all these things. It’s like, who are these people? And can I see them naked?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, that’s it.

JOE ROGAN: Take your f*ing clothes off. Let me see what you look like.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s my… same thing about quotes. You know how we’re in this quote culture where you’ll just… and you probably don’t have this in your algorithm, but it’s inspiring quotes. And I’m like, I need to know who said it. I need to know who said it.

JOE ROGAN: A lot of times it’s fake. You’ll see quotes attributed to Einstein.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Sure.

JOE ROGAN: And then I’ll try to find out if it’s real. It’s not.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right, right. But it’s just sort of like…

JOE ROGAN: It’s slightly anti-semitic quotes. You know, you’re like, “Aristotle really say this?”

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right, right. The Stoics. Yeah. I don’t know, man, but there…

JOE ROGAN: Weren’t even Jews back then. What the f* is this guy talking about?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m going to unfollow Ari Shafir once and for all. But that… it said General Mills on it. It said GM on the side. When we were all looking at this pyramid, we knew that General Mills put this pyramid out. And we didn’t even think that there was a conflict of interest there.

The Kellogg’s Anti-Masturbation Conspiracy

JOE ROGAN: Did you know how the whole Kellogg’s cereal thing came about?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: The Jerry Seinfeld movie?

JOE ROGAN: No. Kellogg’s.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Do you know why he decided to make these bland cereals?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Why?

JOE ROGAN: To keep people from masturbating.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Sick.

JOE ROGAN: That was the whole idea behind it. To give people bland food so that they wouldn’t get aroused.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is that what causes erections? Asking for a friend?

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is that how I get my guy on?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Spicy food. Put it on your pussy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Really?

JOE ROGAN: He’s in.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Because I remember the Seinfeld thing was the Post. That was Pop Tarts. So this is how actual cereal was invented.

JOE ROGAN: Cereal. Breakfast cereal. Kellogg’s breakfast cereal specifically. He was some sort of a weird puritan. Hey, let’s look it up. Because he had some really bizarre ideas. But the primary idea was that if you feed kids bland food, it would stop them from being horny.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Kids.

JOE ROGAN: Kids.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Do kids get horny? I’m sorry.

JOE ROGAN: Like 13, 14.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Okay, okay, okay. Got it. Okay, teen boys.

JOE ROGAN: Well, as soon as the hormones start going.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Sure, sure.

JOE ROGAN: I remember being like, where is all this coming from? You’re all of a sudden horny. Where you were never horny. And then all of a sudden you’re 12, and it starts coming on like a storm. And then you’re 13. Like, what the f*?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And all your female teachers want to f* you.

JOE ROGAN: Depends on if you live in Florida.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They’re all just letting you motorboat them between periods.

JOE ROGAN: I think you made…

Motherhood Changes Everything

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, it is. Once you have a kid, it really is. I feel so cliche about the ways you change once you have a kid. Everyone warns you and you’re like, “Okay, okay.” I mean, you really look at every authority figure around kids differently. Every teacher, every coach. You’re just like, what are you? What are you in this for? You’re not in it for the money, right? You’re getting paid nothing. You don’t have kids to go to school. What are you up to, dude?

JOE ROGAN: Indoctrinating kids. Here it is. Bran Flakes. No, Kellogg’s Bran Flakes were not created to stop kids from getting horny. But the broader Kellogg’s cereal story is tied to some very weird anti-sex ideas from the 19th and 20th century. Kellogg’s Bran Flakes were introduced in 1915 as a high fiber breakfast cereal marketed as a health food to aid digestion, promote better for you breakfasts.

Where the sex myth comes from: John Harvey Kellogg, a physician and Seventh-day Adventist… there it is… did believe that bland plain diets, especially cereal and nuts, could help reduce sexual desire and masturbation. And he pushed those ideas at his sanitarium. So what the f* is the… no, it’s a myth. It’s not a myth. This was his idea. He believed it and he sold that stuff. How can they say that’s a myth?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Can you imagine how hard the publicists at Kellogg’s are working? Yeah, to make sure that’s not…

JOE ROGAN: On the ground, that’s why it’s listed saying that it’s a myth. That’s the only reason why perplexity is getting confused. Because there’s a bunch of propaganda saying it’s not. All you have to do is look at the first thing. John Harvey Kellogg believed that plain bland diets could help reduce sexual desire and masturbation. And he sold plain bland food.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And back then, cereal was pretty much just for kids. You can already assume that it’s going to be targeted at kids.

JOE ROGAN: These beliefs are most closely associated with early flake cereals like Corn Flakes and his general biological living health philosophy. Not with Bran Flakes. Whatever. So how true is the rumor? It is fair to say that some of Kellogg’s early cereal experiments were influenced by his belief that plain foods could encourage sexual restraint. So it is a good rumor. So why are they saying that it’s not, that it’s a myth? Typed in bran instead of Corn Flakes and it’s just… oh, bran.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There’s…

JOE ROGAN: It was the blands. Bland, not… did you think I said bran? I mean, I typed in bran because I meant bland, but bran is a little bit more flavorful. I used to really like bran cinnamon.

Childhood Cereal Memories

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I love Raisin Bran. It’s delicious.

JOE ROGAN: Raisin Bran is the bomb diggity.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s so filling. It’s so good.

JOE ROGAN: Especially frosted Raisin Bran with the sugar. And we would pour sugar on it, too, because we always thought sugar just gave you cavities. Nobody thought it was killing you.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: So we take scoops of sugar and just throw it on those Raisin Bran bones.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Frosted Flakes was my shit.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah. I was a big Captain Crunch man myself.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Peanut butter.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Cap’n Cap’.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, Cap’n Crunch. Cap’n Crunch.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: We used to mix… white trash till I die… Apple Jacks with Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

JOE ROGAN: Ooh, those are good ones.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Now what? RFK now what?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, you better let me keep having those. You know, I don’t think you should ban those, man.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I think it’s important to have restraint and to have the option to do something.

JOE ROGAN: And then how about have a little f*ing discipline every day?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s it. That’s it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s it. How about give me the Fruit Loops with the dye? I want to look at pretty colors.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I want my shit to be neon.

JOE ROGAN: I’m not going to get cancer if I eat one bowl. Okay, shut up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s the other thing. It’s like, the stress is the worst for us. So the stress about, “Should I eat it? Should I?” is worse than just eating it.

Stress and Heart Attacks

JOE ROGAN: I was just talking to a friend who has suffered multiple heart attacks from stress. His doctor says there’s nothing wrong with his arteries, and he’s gotten these heart attacks because literally, his body constricts. He’s in a very serious situation, and his body constricts so heavily that his arteries f*ing close up, and he has heart attacks.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So what is the difference between… because I’m all about good stress on your body, like exposing yourself to good stress and then bad stress. Your body knows the difference, right? Bad stress is going to be like the cortisol and then good stress. That’s like adrenaline, right?

JOE ROGAN: Well, I’m hoping you’re going to cut me off.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Please cut me off.

The Hermetic Effect

JOE ROGAN: Hermetic effect. So the hermetic effect is like, there’s an argument with certain foods, right? There’s an argument against certain foods that they have phytochemicals in them. So what they have is an actual toxin that discourages predation. Right. But some of that actually has a hermetic effect, and it’s actually good for you. Like, what’s a good one? Broccoli sprouts. You know, what does that have? Phosphoraphane. What is it? What is the word? I can’t remember. The photosynthesis. Beneficial. Photosynthesis is how they convert sunlight into food.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But when you’re doing good stress…

JOE ROGAN: Like exercise and sulforaphane. Is that what it is? Yeah, I think you just said it as I was… I think that’s the word. I think it’s sulforaphane. Is that it right there on the screen?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Sulforaphane.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, sulforaphane. A plant compound formed when you chew or chop broccoli sprouts, which activates an enzyme that converts a precursor called glucoraphanin into sulforaphane. Broccoli sprouts have far higher levels of glucoraphanin than mature broccoli, which is why they are such a concentrated source of sulforaphane.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So you’re eating the plant’s stress. That’s…

JOE ROGAN: Well, plants do release chemicals. You want to hear a crazy one? This is really nuts. Plants are intelligent in some sort of a weird way. And one of the things they found is that if, say, a giraffe is eating certain bushes, and they’re eating them upwind, and so the wind comes down and the other plants recognize that they’re being consumed, and so they change their chemical profile to make them…

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Disgusting, starts tasting bad. Horses, same thing. Horses will all be grazing in one place, and then they’ll just pivot out of nowhere, and you’re like, “What’s going on?” And they’ll move to different grass.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It’s like the grass realizes that it’s happening. Oh, my God. It’s a grass apocalypse.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And lets off some kind of, you know, acid or something.

JOE ROGAN: Nuts. Wild. So this is the argument against consuming plants that all the carnivore people use is that there’s these chemicals. Find out what the chemicals they talk about. What are the chemicals that carnivore diet people think are dangerous from plants? The idea is that plants can’t defend themselves. They’re stationary. And so what they do is they release things that make them disgusting.

Pregnancy Cravings and Body Wisdom

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Got it. It makes sense. It is like, I… you know, after having… being pregnant, I kind of just surrendered to being like, what if I just ate what I craved? Let me just let my body wisdom or whatever go, you know? And it was sourdough bread. Not regular bread, just sourdough, which I wonder if that’s allowed on the pyramid.

JOE ROGAN: It’s a lot better for you, right?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Sourdough bread, eggs and meat. No salad. It made me nauseous to even think about salad. But maybe that was just my blood type or whatever it was.

JOE ROGAN: My wife was really into frozen pizza rolls, those little disgusting things. I would buy them for her. I’m like, “Are you shitting?”

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That is a Texas bitch through and through.

Carnivore Diet and Plant Toxins

JOE ROGAN: Carnivore diet advocates often argue that many common plant compounds are toxic or anti-nutrients that harm digestion, hormones or nutrient absorption. Carnivore influence usually group these under umbrella anti-nutrients or plant defense chemicals. Oxalates is one for sure. Oxalates is terrible for you, but the way to get around that is cooking them. So like, this is… I used to always drink kale smoothies. I used to take kale and throw it in there with garlic and ginger and drink a smoothie every day.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Then you left.

Diet, Pesticides, and California Wine

JOE ROGAN: No, I mean, I felt fine doing it. I never got kidney stones or anything like that. But then I started reading about oxalates and then I had a bunch of people on that told me that you can get kidney stones. And I did actually get my blood work done and it was high in oxalates. But also that’s from almonds. Eat a lot of. I used to eat a lot of almonds.

Lectins, grains, beans, nuts. There it is. Promote leaky gut autoimmunity and general gut irritation. Phytates. What is that? Phytic acid. Grains, legumes and nuts criticized for binding materials and reducing their absorption. Tannins or other polyphenols described by some meat advocates as additional plant defenses that can inhibit nutrient absorption or act as pro oxidants.

But one of the things that I’ve heard from people that are pretty knowledgeable is that the issue might not be the actual plants itself, it might be pesticides.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s the other thing. They say the worst thing you can eat at a restaurant anywhere is salads because it’s just covered in pesticides. Like, I am washing my fruit and vegetables more than I wash my own body.

JOE ROGAN: See if this is true, because I read this, that 100% of all California wines tested possibly tested positive for glyphosate.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And out in Malibu, Raytheon, because there was a Raytheon plant.

JOE ROGAN: Oh yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And Cum.

JOE ROGAN: Actually, rocket dye used to be in my neighborhood.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Wild.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. I wonder if I got juiced up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Remember when I went out and before I had a kid and I was just fighting people over rescuing giraffes. I had an instinct to mother and I was just mothering everything except an actual baby, including giraffes. And the wine that was made up there at that place. Malibu Safari had tested positive for Raytheon and people were getting sick for Raytheon.

JOE ROGAN: How do you test positive for Raytheon? Okay. They tested 10. In a 2016 investigation by ABC 7 News Beyond Pesticides reported that 10 out of 10 California wines tested positive for glyphosate. Whoa, that’s nuts.

Health Myths and Red Wine

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m obsessed with these sort of health and wellness sort of myths. And where do they like, wine’s good. Red wine’s good for you. Like, what alcoholic, like, made that popular? Remember? It’s like, it’s got resveratrol.

JOE ROGAN: It’s.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yes, it’s like the amount you would need to get the amount of resveratrol that would make a difference is. Would kill your liver anyway. But like, dark chocolate’s good for you. Like these things we just like.

JOE ROGAN: I think dark chocolate is good for you though.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is it?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I think that’s legit. I don’t think wine is necessarily bad for you. I think alcohol is bad for you, but I think it also loosens you up, it makes you happy, which is better for you than being sad, depending on where you are. Right. So if you were the group of people like you and I and a bunch of friends went out to dinner, we all had wine, we’re laughing our asses off. That would probably be really good for you.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And it removes a little bit of the ability to. And that was always my thing. Like, I don’t. I’m three, three and a half years off pretty much anything. I mean, I was pregnant, I have a kid. Like, you know, I got to be focused. Like a toddler is just like suicidal. Like I’m, you know.

But, you know, I think with at least I’ll just speak for myself. My brain, a glass of wine. I’m just able to be present without going, is this a good joke? Which I write about. It just takes off that, like, sort of like interior anthropologist narrative that is like I always have to be categorizing things and filing things as jokes or cross referencing things and, you know, filing things away for future standup.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the thing, right? It’s because you always need new jokes. It’s like you’re always farming.

The Comedy Mind and Capturing Ideas

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And when you hear something that’s like, oh, that’d be such a good premise. It’s like, ah, you know, sometimes I’ll just, like, do what you do. I’ll put it in notes to just file it away just so that I’m not thinking about it so much.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the only thing that keeps me sane. Because if I don’t do that, if I don’t, it’s going to get away from me.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Same.

JOE ROGAN: I have, like, same. At least my family knows. Like, sometimes I’ll jump up from the dinner table and I have to run away because I know it’s slippery. I’m like, this idea is slippery. I’ll be right back. I got an idea.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Let me just write it down. Let me just write it down.

JOE ROGAN: Write it down. And I come back and I don’t tell them the idea because it’s usually they’re like, what?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah, trust me, it’s going to sound bad. No. Okay. Jews do run the meat. Just let me. Let me flesh it out, this idea about Jews and blacks. But, yeah, as long as I’m able to write it down, then I can be present.

JOE ROGAN: Then, you know, you saved it. Neil Brennan used to say that his joke book was basically like a net for catching ideas.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Love it.

JOE ROGAN: I have one great idea. Great premise.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Promise. I have a joke. Like, I’ll write it down in my. Like, a notebook, but I’ll of course, leave it somewhere, and it just looks like my suicide note. It’s just like, words. It’s just like key goals, you know, episiotomy. Like, it’s just crazy words, but.

And that’s the other thing that I think having a kid gave me that I didn’t even know was possible, which is what I thought, like weed or, you know, a glass of wine or whatever before was. I’ve always just been trying to figure out how to get present, like, be in the present moment, you know, which, by the way, is there a biological basis for being in the present moment? Probably.

It’s probably, you know, was, you know, a detriment back in the day. You wanted to be like, two steps ahead or this is what just happened. And, like, eating that berry was bad. Like, being in the present moment probably got you killed back then.

ADHD and the Hunter Brain

JOE ROGAN: But that’s what they think ADHD is about. It’s about being a persistent hunter. We have a problem with the software that we’re running and perhaps maybe the computer. So the last few episodes.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Jamie, please cut my audio. Reddit will love this episode.

JOE ROGAN: They don’t love anything.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Just cut me out of it.

JOE ROGAN: There’s a bunch of people I’d like to see naked. All the negative Reddit commenters, like, you guys need to go outside, touch grass, babe.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I look at those guys and I’m always just, guys, girls, whoever. Like, I meant I go on right up.

JOE ROGAN: But like, they’re non binary, all of them.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I always think, like, if we didn’t get to do what we do, would.

JOE ROGAN: We be doing that 100%, I would. I would say that, like, when people are like, really mean to celebrities online in comments, I’m like, I would do that 1,000, 1 million percent. If I was 16 years old and I had a f*ing Twitter account and.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They have a plane.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, yeah, f* you.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You’re just like, hey, ahole. Like, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Oh yeah. I’d be probably going after everybody. I would, 100%. That was all. Especially if I get them to respond right. I’d be like, woo wee. I got him on the hook. Look at this.

Social Media and Crowd Work Culture

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And then like, Kimmel would like, read negative comments on his show. Like you can get on a show, which is, by the way, what’s happening with like, crowd work. People come to shows now trying to get into crowd work. Video. Just heckling and yelling.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, yeah. Especially if someone is known for responding to hecklers.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, no. The first four rows are people that are like, in hair and makeup. They have like hats on, like their tits are out. Like they’re ready with. They’re like, hey, bitch. And I’m like, I’m not filming this show, guys. Sorry.

JOE ROGAN: People want to be a part of something.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Do you want to know where I’m from? I don’t. I don’t care. I’m in Austin. I know you live. I don’t give a s*.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s the weird thing about social media and the Internet in general is that everyone has a voice now, which is great. And it’s also terrible. Yeah, it’s both things. It’s great because some people emerge from that voice just like we were talking about memes. Some of the hardest laughs that I get during the day are these memes that anonymous people have created.

And someone sends me same. And I’m like. And then I send them to people. I don’t know who the made it. Can we pause one second again? It’s now not recording the audio. Even though we can hear everything. It just stopped all of a sudden. Did it record any of what we just said? It is still going. It is still going. It’s not good. I’m going to trust it. It’s just not visually showing up. We’ll trust it. Oh, boy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Having a conversation about being in the present moment and you’re like, wait, you didn’t record that? Yeah, I was being so present, Damn it.

The Value of Voices Online

JOE ROGAN: I think we’re in this weird transitionary period where we have a new technology and that allows everyone to have a voice. And I think overall it’s very good because you have more voices. And it’s just people have to discern what’s a valuable voice and what’s not.

And that’s where I tell people, don’t read the fing comments. It’s not good for you because you’re getting too many non valuable voices. And if you’ve done a good job of curating your environment and curating your friend group, you. You’ve eliminated all these people that are really sty and bitter and jealous and nasty and also have no ability to look at themselves.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. But also to all my. I just did Norman’s podcast with Sam Rail and they were talking about the comments and I was like, guys, I’ve said worse things to you than any of these comments. We’re comics. We all sit around and are so.

JOE ROGAN: Much meaner to each other, meaner about other comics. And aren’t there. Oh, God, we do the worst s* ever.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Totally. It’s just sort of like nothing in this comment section is worse than what Tony Hinchcliffe just said to me on the phone.

JOE ROGAN: You laughed.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I just talked to Tim Dillon for an hour. Like, I have no self esteem left.

JOE ROGAN: Like, this is like a warm hug.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, my comment section is where I go for compliments at this point.

JOE ROGAN: Sometimes I forget that when I’m hanging out with normies, you know, And I’ll just drop a bomb.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, same pain.

JOE ROGAN: Look at that. Who the f did you. I thought we were talking s.

Cowboy Boots and Tony Hinchcliffe

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So I did that yesterday. I was checking into the hotel and we’re in Texas. My mom’s from Texas, Whatever. And this dude that works there was wearing like cowboy boots. Like solid cowboy boots. And I was like, oh, sick cowboy boots. I mean, they’re just high heels for men, but, like, cool that you guys call them like cowboy boots.

And I was like, oh, you’re going to fight me? Like, this is not. I can say that’s like Tony Hinchcliffe, because I’m always like, hey, you moved to Texas so that you could wear heels.

JOE ROGAN: Boots all the time. He was going through a period of time where he’s wearing nothing but cowboy hats and cowboy boots on stage, dude.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And Then like, a Gucci, like, tracksuit. Like, name a person that knew less about what to do with their money than Tony Hinch.

JOE ROGAN: He’s doing now. He’s wearing vests. He wears vests all the time. It’s 1,000 degrees outside.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Bulletproof vests. After the. He was at the Trump rally. Smart. The Puerto Ricans have guns, homie.

JOE ROGAN: The Puerto Ricans love him.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, they do. They really.

JOE ROGAN: If there’s any group of people that are great at talking s*, it’s Puerto Ricans.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s like Jennifer Lopez. Cut to her, like, crying because she’s like, what are jokes? But, yeah, I love.

JOE ROGAN: She doesn’t count.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So I have you made your will?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah.

Making a Will and Leaving Money to Comics

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Okay. So I’m making my will, which as soon as you have a kid, they’re like, make a will, or else your craziest family member is going to get your son, you know. And I am. And I want to make it fun. Like, I want to make a funny will. Like, I want to give Brian Holtzman a million dollars just to see what he’ll do. Just to look down from heaven and…

JOE ROGAN: Just see him with, probably buy suspenders.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Just caffeine plants. Like, just seeing what Tony did with his money. Like, watching all these comics, like, Bobby Lee, he just shows up in women’s shoes. Like, he’ll just be in those Golden Goose sneakers. They’re like $700. They’re bedazzled.

JOE ROGAN: He wears bedazzled sneakers?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, they’re like Golden Goose. Do you know these shoes?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I have a pair.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, but they’re shimmery with leopard.

JOE ROGAN: It’s weird because Golden Goose, they come out worn out. Like, you buy… I bought them in Aspen. Yeah, you buy them worn out. And everybody was really into it. I’m like, they’re already pre-worn. Like, this is weird.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s like when you bought jeans with holes in them ahead of time.

JOE ROGAN: I never did that, by the way. Yeah, no, that’s not… That’s a lot. I did it for a while, and then I was like, what was wrong with me?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, but I like holes in the knees because you can move around more. Like, that’s actually useful. I’ll always cut holes.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, you need to buy stretchy jeans.

Motherhood and Fashion Choices

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You know what? I did start buying stretchy jeans, and this is actually the worst thing I’ve done since becoming a mom. You just become such a dork. Except your wife. Your wife is like, she’s my hero. I’m like, how do you stay? Why are you so hot? You’re a mom. You’re allowed to just look like Rachel Maddow, but you do this.

Like, I need to get back on the horse because I started buying sweatpants that look like jeans, and I’m just like, what am I doing? Like, it’s just…

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s a bunch of jeans like that that you can get now. What are those? They’re called perfect jeans. Those are really good. I got a few pairs of those. I think that’s what they’re called, right? Perfect jeans.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, stretchy guys?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, those are great. Rev Town. Rev Town makes a great pair. They’re great. Barbell. Barbell jeans. They’re nice. Yeah. They’re made for people with big thighs.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Because my jeans wear out in the middle. Because my thighs are always rubbing together.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right? Oh, like in the…

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, yeah. That’s where they tear open.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And I need to be straight. I need to… I can’t wear something that I can’t kick somebody in.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But also… F*, yes. So good to be in Texas, where the real men are. That’s how they think. My fiancé…

JOE ROGAN: I was thinking like that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: All your whole life. It’s so funny. My fiancé’s like… He’s just… You don’t realize till you date… It’s like, very straight guy that you’ve only dated. Gay guy, very straight guy. Like, I always was like, oh, good. Metrosexual. Like, my dude.

My favorite thing to do is ask him what he’s thinking about. Not, like, “what are you thinking about?” Like, hoping it’s me or our wedding or something. I’m just fascinated. I’m on the edge of my seat, and it’s usually like, “if I could fight that guy” or…

JOE ROGAN: The Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire and the Colosseum

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. The Ro… My God. Dude. I just… Like jerking off, thinking about tigers tearing apart criminals. Like, what about the Roman Empire? Exactly. That’s so crazy when you think about it. I mean, didn’t species go extinct because of the Roman Empire?

JOE ROGAN: Because of the Colosseum fights?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I don’t believe that’s true. I’ve never heard that.

JOE ROGAN: When I did a tour of it, they said that, but I’m sure they were just trying to…

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, they’re trying to juice you up. Well, let’s find out.

JOE ROGAN: Even if they did, how could they prove it? I guess it’s…

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, they don’t really. There’s a lot of speculation that’s probably erroneous about why certain animals went extinct, including woolly mammoths.

JOE ROGAN: Also. There’s a lot of animals out there that maybe you guys can’t find. Oh, yeah, we don’t know. Like, okay, not to bring up California, but have you seen this doomsday fish?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: What’s that?

JOE ROGAN: It’s a fish that only appears when an earthquake’s about to happen.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, great.

JOE ROGAN: And they’re coming up around Monterey in California. It’s like a syringe with really, you know, these fish at the bottom. Bottom of the ocean that we…

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh. And they’re getting away from the bottom because they feel like it’s coming.

JOE ROGAN: They’re coming up to the surface.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’ve never heard of this before, but…

JOE ROGAN: My brain also goes, like, maybe they’ve been around and you just haven’t seen them.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But that’s true. It’s not like we have cameras down there torn at all times. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Coliseum animal fights did not clearly drive any species to global extinction, but they did help wipe out or severely reduce some regional populations and subspecies. Like what? These hunts killed animals on a huge scale. Ancient sources describe thousands of animals killed in single festivals and tens of thousand over imperial reigns.

Modern historians argue that this sustained demand contributed to local or regional disappearances, especially when combined with hunting, habitat loss and warfare. Well, that, like just what they did in America with market hunting. They almost wiped out everything in America because no one had ice. Right. So you had to get meat every day.

So they wiped out almost all deer. They wiped out elk from elk. Used to be in all 50 states, and now they’re only in a few. They wiped out almost all of them.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And this is fascinating to me, just the Roman Colosseum thing, because I think that my brain always does whenever it’s like, “can you believe people in the comments are trashing Sabrina Carpenter” or whatever. Yeah. People used to go watch, you know, people have their limbs torn apart by lions and sit there and cheer and suggest. They would yell out how to kill people like that.

You know, they would go watch at the town square. People get hanged. Like, this is right on time.

JOE ROGAN: They’d watch people have sword fights.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: This is the most humane version of publicly shaming people we’ve done thus far. It’s just like, “you suck.” That’s like…

JOE ROGAN: It just hurts your feelings. Yeah, right. And it only hurts your feelings if you read it.

Online Comments and Public Shaming

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But I also don’t think anyone has only made a comment on Joe Rogan, only on mine. I don’t think it’s just personal.

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s probably one schizophrenic person that just concentrates on you.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Oh, no, I have many of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: But there’s… Most people are just…

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But I don’t think they’re normal with everyone else. And then, you know…

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s the argument that some people have that I completely disagree with, that you should… It should be your name. Everyone should know who’s posting that and that you shouldn’t be allowed to post anonymously. My problem with that is that eliminates all whistleblowing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, good point.

JOE ROGAN: You know you’re working at some defense contractor and you know they’re doing something horrible or whatever. You’re working for some oil company and you know they’re doing something evil. No, you can’t. You can’t have completely anonymous. I mean, you can’t have only recognized accounts where you know the exact person who’s posting things, because sometimes you need to have anonymous sources.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But also it’s, you know, essentially like, I’m always interested in, you know, finding the equanimous, real life version of something digital. So it’s like negative things in the comment section. That’s like being at a football game and someone being like, “Tom Brady, you suck.”

Like, he obviously doesn’t suck, right? You’re wearing a Patriots jersey. Like, you obviously love him. You’re just being an idiot. You know, it’s kind of like, how about UFC fans?

JOE ROGAN: Some of them are the worst. They’re like, “he’s a pussy.”

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He fights for a lot.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You don’t even need to…

JOE ROGAN: He fights in his underwear, barefoot in a f*ing cage for a living, and you’re calling them a pussy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right, people. I mean, and also think about what it would take for you to stop and leave a sh*tty comment. You would have to be in such a dark, dark place to need to just throw a stray at someone.

And like, I like to think of it as a weird service. And maybe this is just me trying to sublimate it into something positive. Because like, being a female comedian on the Internet’s pretty wild. And it’s like, I signed up to make people happy or make people laugh or give people some kind of escape from their life. And if you hating me or saying some mean sh*t gives you a hit of, like, great. I don’t think I came into comedy being like, everyone has to love me like that.

JOE ROGAN: It’s not possible. Yeah, people hate Chappelle. It’s literally not possible.

Polarizing Comics and Taking Risks

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: The people I know that take the biggest risks and that, you know, are polarizing. Like, I think the most interesting comics are polarizing. So if everyone liked me, I’d probably be pretty boring. And…

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s a few people that don’t take risks, that are hilarious, that aren’t polarizing at all. Like Nate Bargatze.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Or just Gaffigan. But Sebastian. But Gaffigan got really polarizing when he went political. A lot of people got mad at him for that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: But I think he was drunk.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, interesting. He did a…

JOE ROGAN: Pretty sure he was drunk. He likes to throw him back.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Was he doing online, though? Wasn’t he doing online or was he doing it live?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, he was on Twitter. Oh, he was on Twitter during the Trump campaign.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: I remember he went crazy and he lost a giant chunk of fans. People turned on him. You know, he’s the hot pockets guy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: Involved in politics.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s interesting. Wouldn’t that… That kind of… I think that as a comic, like, it’s, you know, and you do something sort of different here, but I never, you know, to take a side just feels so weird. It just feels so bizarre because I think it’s really our job to be able to defend the indefensible, just even as an exercise, and to, you know, to be able to deeply believe that two things can be true at once.

Shopping for Ideas vs. Adopting Them

JOE ROGAN: I think it’s the opposite of what wokies do with animals. So with wokies, with animals, they’re like, “adopt, don’t shop.” I think with your ideas, you should shop around. Don’t adopt, don’t adopt. Like, all the ideas that the left has, or all the ideas that the right has, shop around.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Also, breeders are bad. So rescue a dog from a breeder if you need to, right?

JOE ROGAN: Well, some… Look, breeders are bad, right? Okay. I have the best f*ing dog in the world, and he came from a breeder.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Some are good, some are bad. Some rescues are good. Some… Some of the worst people on Earth are animal rescue people. Some of the worst people on Earth work in charities.

JOE ROGAN: You know, that’s a fact.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s a fact.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a fact. Did you see the data about the LA Fire money and where it went?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Did you see the data of the… What was it? How many billion was supposed to be spent on homelessness removal?

JOE ROGAN: 24. 24 unaccounted for.

The Fire Aid Concert Scandal

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m not even mad. Just tell me where it is. How do you even hide this money? How do you even hide it?

JOE ROGAN: But I want to show you this. Did I ever send it to you, Jamie? I know I saved it because it’s so crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It was like there was a concert.

JOE ROGAN: It was like, yeah, $100 million. But where it went is literally absolutely nuts. I’m going to find it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, and Jamie, did you find that doomsday fish? I just want to make sure.

JOE ROGAN: I saw an article about it from a couple years ago that said it shows up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Doomsday fish? Yeah, there was one up in Monterey they said that came. I’m obsessed with the fish that we don’t know about.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, I just sent it to you, Jamie. So the House Judiciary Committee released a report on the LA Fire aid concert. Among the findings, fire aid was used. I mean, this is going to. I’m sorry. I don’t know why I’m coughing. Fire aid was used for activities such as voter participation initiatives. Podcasts, they give $100,000 to podcasters. Approximately $550,000 in donations went to organizations involved in political.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, that’s money laundering. That’s just money laundering.

JOE ROGAN: $550,000 out of $100 million. $250,000 was directed towards programs benefiting undocumented immigrants. Look at this. $100,000 to podcasters. I want to know who the f* the podcasters were that got a hundred grand.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. What are you talking about?

JOE ROGAN: Like, what does that mean? Like, did they prevent fires with that money? $500,000 was used to cover salaries, bonuses. Imagine you got a bonus because there was a fire consultant. Fees for nonprofit.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But if it’s a nonprofit, why are you giving it money?

JOE ROGAN: And why are you giving them bonuses? Half a million dollars. Okay. Many worthy nonprofits did receive grants that were used to support victims. This report provides lessons for the distribution of, or the disbursement rather, of any remaining fire aid for funds go down lower because it keeps.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s good racket. Everyone I know that works with a charity has, like two houses. Like, good for them because they don’t have to pay taxes either.

JOE ROGAN: There’s. Sorry, there’s more where they laid all this stuff out. So this is Kevin Kiley, who is congressman from California. So he’s outlining this because he tried to look it up. It’s fing crazy, but, I mean, some of that is fing criminal. This one drives me nuts. Organizations involved in political advocacy. Half a f*ing million dollars.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Why is anyone advocating for politics? Like, what does that even mean?

JOE ROGAN: It’s just stealing money.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. That’s just money laundering.

JOE ROGAN: That’s just stealing money.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Wait, fungus planting projects. What to plant fungus.

JOE ROGAN: Fungus planting policy. What?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Fungus planting projects.

JOE ROGAN: They’re growing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Growing weed. Yeah, they’re growing mushrooms. That’s right. They’re growing weeds.

JOE ROGAN: The best way to keep people from doing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Man, this is what it is, dude. It’s like, literally, like, everyone that’s pissed at their house caught on fire. Take these mushrooms and you will realize materialism doesn’t.

JOE ROGAN: It’s all bullshit.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: This is part of the universe, man.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: We’re all connected. Like, if someone else has a house, you have a house too.

JOE ROGAN: Like, this is the universe telling you to get the f* out of here.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I mean, it is, like, a lot to process. I mean, there’s a point where you’re kind of like, my brain goes like, when there’s nothing you can do about it, you’re like, what do I do? Like, do I just get mad? Do I just look away? Do I become the person that’s retweeting shit and just being that person?

Like, you know, the things we have to kind of just decide with our economy of bandwidth what to be outraged about. And maybe this is it. The idea is like, we’ll throw so much at you that you’ll just get exhausted.

USAID and Government Money Laundering

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think it’s a plan. I think it’s just a function of the whole social media ecosystem.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But also they’re like, we know we’re going to get away with this. Like, I just love.

JOE ROGAN: But they’re not. Because this guy, the congressman, is looking it up. They’re definitely going to talk about it. It’s going to be a problem for these people. It’s going to be a problem during reelection. And it’s supposed to be. They’re monsters. These people are evil. They’re really evil.

What they’re doing is stealing money from people that decided they were going to donate money because they thought it was a worthy cause and it wasn’t a worthy cause.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And also when those fires happened, the idea that it was like donate. It’s like, well, you were just in a fire zone too. We pay enough taxes in California to not have to have charities to donate to fire victims.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Do you know what I mean? Charities are such a scam because it’s like, well, no, this is where our taxes should be going to stuff. We shouldn’t have to have these charities where people are donating money to help. They don’t have money either.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it’s a scam. And when you find out where the money actually goes, that’s when it becomes a scam. When you find out that the vast amount, like if you have $100 million that gets donated to legitimate charity, it’s very likely that only 30% or less is going to the actual cause.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And that person doesn’t pay taxes on top of that because the charity is a tax write off. So my taxes aren’t going to pay for that cause. And then you’re not paying taxes anyway. And then I have to give you extra money. It’s just like, it’s just such a charity culture is just such a bizarre. Does every country have this charity culture?

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know. Well, our charity culture is really weird because of USAID. Because USAID everybody thought of as like, oh, it’s aid. We’re giving aid to all these other countries that’s important. People are going to starve. And then you realize like, oh no, it’s not US Aid, it’s US Agency for International Development. So a lot of it is about overthrowing foreign governments. A lot of it is about funding these NGOs that are supposedly non profit, but people extract the money out of them.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, what’s your definition?

JOE ROGAN: It’s a lot of money laundering. Yeah, a lot of it is money laundering. It’s so much. Mike Benz is the guy to follow on that. And Mike Benz is like, he’s gone deep, deep into all this shit and uncovered an insane way. He said the USAID is for things that are too dirty for the CIA.

When it’s too dirty for the CIA, they send it off to a non government organization that’s an NGO. So an NGO can do things that the government can’t do legally. So they’ll go and use this money in a way that our government can’t do it, but it’s our government’s money.

So it’s your tax dollars go to do things that the government’s not allowed to do, and the government just does it that way through an NGO. And people profit massively. Money is just flowing around and no one knows where it goes. Like the $24 billion that went to the home problem in California, where it only got worse.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I don’t even get how you hide that much money. I don’t even get how you laundered and hide. I mean, that’s like.

JOE ROGAN: It just shows you how crazy scams are in this country. We were learning that out about the Somali daycare.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, yeah, the Minnesota thing.

The Daycare Fraud Schemes

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but that’s just one part of it. The Somali daycares in Minnesota is the tip of the iceberg. California is way bigger. So people are digging into the problems in California now, and they’re saying, no, no. Whatever you thought the fraud was, there was a guy that was running a daycare, a bunch of daycare. He had no.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Already a red flag in California.

JOE ROGAN: No one at his organization, no kids pulled up in a f*ing Rolls Royce when they were investigating a Rolls Royce.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Couldn’t even just get Lexus. No, they can’t. They can’t just be cool. It’s like Dane Cook’s brother or whatever, who stole from him, like, pulled up in, like, a Bugatti. It’s like, you couldn’t.

JOE ROGAN: Did he really?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It was like something. I think something crazy. Like you couldn’t have just got an Acura.

JOE ROGAN: That’s when he found out that his brother was stealing from him.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I think it was like a car that pulled up. I know what. I know.

JOE ROGAN: What car, like, sunk Daniel’s brother, by the way. He got out of jail and the money’s still missing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Stop.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, there’s a ton of money that they never recovered. He might have hid it in a coffee.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There’s some real rich hookers in Pensacola. I’ll tell you what.

JOE ROGAN: He might have blown through all of it, but I’m pretty sure. I mean, you’d have to ask Dane, but I’m pretty sure that a lot of the money was unrecovered.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He donated it to the LA fire victims.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s like people that steal like that. Like, it’s like for what I understand, it’s like kind of a gambling addiction, too. It’s like, I got away with this, like, you get this invincibility complex of like, now I can get away with this. And then you just get in over your head and you show up one day in a f*ing, you know, Ferrari. And I was like, huh?

Corrupt Cops and the 75th Precinct

JOE ROGAN: Did you ever see that documentary the 7 5?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: No.

JOE ROGAN: The 75 is all about the 75th Precinct in New York and how corrupt it was. It’s a really good documentary. I had the guy who was the main guy, Michael Dowd, who was a corrupt cop.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Love it.

JOE ROGAN: I had him on the podcast, and explained it. He said the first day, I mean, if you watch the documentary, first day working, they threw a guy out of building and killed him. And he was like, shut the f* up. Like, you know, you know what you saw now, you didn’t see shit, right? Yeah, I didn’t see shit.

Like they killed a guy on his first day on the job. And he’s like, okay, this is, I guess, what we do. And so he was selling drugs, robbing drug dealers, and showed up at work with a Corvette, in a brand new, badass Corvette.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Under a blanket and just drive a Honda to work. Like, you could have gotten away with this forever.

JOE ROGAN: Get an old pickup truck.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Stupid. I love that, dude. I love it so much.

JOE ROGAN: This guy shows up at his daycare in a Rolls Royce.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It was like the wild, wild country guy. He could have got away with that forever, but it was like the 56, like, bedazzled rolls Royce.

JOE ROGAN: Everyone was like, I don’t know, man. Yeah, yeah, he had a bunch of Rolls Royces.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But God told me I should have these. Like, huh? I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: But the people are retarded. That is one of the greatest things ever by the people for the people in the pause, dude, but the people are retarded.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Tough titties.

JOE ROGAN: So it’s for the retarded. But so look at this, this $42.1 million. This is the guy.

The Daycare Center Investigation

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He’s trying to cover the car with his body.

JOE ROGAN: Pull back and let’s hear what he says in the beginning of this.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Because, I mean, with all that money, maybe buy some Ozempic too, homie.

JOE ROGAN: He’s eating good. I’m here. He says ever since Nick Shirley has.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Done his reporting in Minnesota, we have Iranian daycare centers in California. Over here we have 1412 South Crescent Heights Creative Children Academy.

JOE ROGAN: Nobody has come in or out of.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: This facility in nine months.

JOE ROGAN: Every window is just boarded up because.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: No one in LA has kids.

JOE ROGAN: Look at this roll.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Where’s the money jump sheet. The way the door opens is so funny.

JOE ROGAN: Facility.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Where’d you get this car?

JOE ROGAN: Property. Yeah. Did you win the lot?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s assault. Don’t touch me.

JOE ROGAN: This looks fake.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It really does.

JOE ROGAN: It looks fake. It looks completely staged. There’s just the way he walks up and grabs the car. What? When you saw people with cameras and you’ve got a convertible roll, I think.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You would just turn around.

JOE ROGAN: It’s just too convenient. There’s no one there. Why is he there? That looks fake.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He’s not wearing any brands. It’s also.

JOE ROGAN: There’s something in my mind, registered his face when he started talking. Wait a minute.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Wait.

JOE ROGAN: This is a guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. So it’s face. So I just.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That was like a staged reenactment or something.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s horseshit. Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: This is like when I repost videos where people have, like, seven fingers.

JOE ROGAN: It’s just bad acting. I saw his face. I saw his face. I’m like, this guy’s a bad actor. This is like a Hallmark special.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, when he took off the golf hat, like Douchebagger Vance, like, before to start his thing.

JOE ROGAN: That was just engagement.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Yeah. Why are you wearing a suit? Why are you wearing a suit?

JOE ROGAN: Meanwhile, people are sending that to me. Like, it’s really real. There.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It is, that thing.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But it’s.

JOE ROGAN: They want it to be real.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. And by the way, you get to a point with real and fake where you’re just like, it might as well be. You know? It might as well be.

JOE ROGAN: But that guy, you could tell his face was fake. He’s like, what?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, it was.

JOE ROGAN: How’d you get me.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Get up. This is private property.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, the push was a little bitch for someone who’s about to lose everything. Like, the camera work was pretty good, too.

JOE ROGAN: It’s just, he’s just being silly. Yeah, but there’s always, there’s a lot of that, too. That’s a problem. It’s just like, we live in a strange world, and no one investigated where all this money was going in the past. No one investigated.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: How could you.

Medicaid Fraud and Government Corruption

JOE ROGAN: One of the things that Elon said to me, said Medicaid fraud is the biggest amount of money that’s fraudulent in this country. And he didn’t want to even talk about it because he was worried that people would kill him. That’s what he said on the podcast. He goes, “I could go into this, but they’ll kill me.”

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s like someone saying they have something they didn’t have to get the catastrophe insurance thing because like I had a.

JOE ROGAN: There’s a lot of that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Like my dad had a stroke and you get like, it was stolen by a family member. The fraud is within my family. But really that, yeah, that you get like 20 grand Medicaid part B, I want to say if you have like a stroke, it’s called a catastrophic event. They’ll just like give you like 20 grand or something. Is it like that you like fake that or something and then get that money type of thing? Is that like what Medica Stroke?

JOE ROGAN: No, what it is, is, well, here’s the daycare thing. Like that’s part of it. And then there’s a bunch of people that don’t exist that are getting Medicaid money.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right, right.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. And then there’s autism diagnoses. Right. So they self diagnose as autism. They open up an autism center. They have a bunch of kids in the autism center. They get money for those kids. There’s no autism, there’s no kids. It’s all fake.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right, right, right, right, right.

JOE ROGAN: There’s also like, there’s these fake scams where there was one that they uncovered in Minnesota where they were supposedly feeding an exorbitant amount of children and there was no kids. No one was going there. But they were saying they were feeding like 5,000 people a day. They didn’t even have the capacity to feed 5,000 people a day. There was no food coming in there.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But you know, the American dream did.

JOE ROGAN: The politicians were getting so much money from these people.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right.

JOE ROGAN: Just from the Somali community that owned daycare centers. The Minnesota politicians were getting $35 million last year.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is that, is Tim Walz to blame for that? I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: Well, he just stepped down from his reelection. That’s not good. That’s not good. When you were almost the Vice President of the United States. Yeah.

Tim Walz and the China Question

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Many people came at me, people that I’m like, thought I was friends with, like acquaintances more maybe. But I now realize they were acquaintances when I made fun of Tim Walz for going to China so many times. Like, which, let me not get this wrong, it’s definitely more than 10. More than 10 or something that Tim Walz just like went to China to go like, which is, you know, if you’re going to have gone to China that many times and then run to be the Vice president, why wouldn’t you, why would you hide it? Number one?

Why wouldn’t you lead with it as like this is one of our enemies. I’ve been, I know the language. Like, why wouldn’t you either lean into it, make it, I’m an expert on it. And this is one of our big issues, like the fact that we all pretended that he wasn’t going to China. First of all, on what salary are you going to China every year?

JOE ROGAN: Was he a politician when he was doing this?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: What’s your miles program?

JOE ROGAN: Well, I could see if you were a businessman.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He was a teacher.

JOE ROGAN: He was a teacher.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He was going with kids. He was taking kids to China.

JOE ROGAN: But I mean, doesn’t that make sense, though, that you’re taking kids on an international trip so they can learn about the world?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Only China.

JOE ROGAN: Maybe that’s his area of expertise.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m trying to like, but why not lead with it?

JOE ROGAN: I steel man it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I know. Me too. I do the same where I’m like, why doesn’t you up with, I’ve been to China 35 times. I took kids there so they could learn Mandarin because they’re going to have to interface with China later during business. Like, it was just like this thing where it’s when someone else tries to hide something, something that I wouldn’t have thought was untoward. I’m like, well, hold on now. It’s weird, right?

And why can’t I ask a question about it? Whenever I would say, how many times did you go to China? Everyone’s like, what? What? And I’m like, well.

JOE ROGAN: Here’s the crazy one. When all the Somali daycare center came out, he started blaming white men for all the crime.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Sure.

JOE ROGAN: What about white men? Well, he’s white men with all the crime. He’s trying this. That.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He’s like, what about me?

JOE ROGAN: Playbook.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: What about me? I’m the criminal.

JOE ROGAN: I’m a white guy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He’s telling on himself right then and there.

JOE ROGAN: What do you mean? He was, to say that it’s racist, but it’s not. Facts aren’t racist. It’s just clever. Just if they did it themselves, if they did it themselves, if they were the ones that were perpetrating the fraud, the real problem is if they didn’t do it themselves, who helped them fill out all those forms? Who helped them organize this? And is this a money laundering thing?

And are they filtering this money into other people’s accounts? Are they filtering into offshore accounts? Because supposedly, here’s another one. Supposedly they were sending money, like on a regular basis back to Somalia and they were catching them at TSA in Minnesota.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Sure.

JOE ROGAN: See if that’s true, Jamie.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s a lot. It’s a lot, you guys. I mean, it’s, it’s, you know, I guess also the other question is, when all this is going on, I’m like, do I focus on this or, like, are we going to war? Like, you know.

JOE ROGAN: Well, you can only focus on so much.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I know.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the thing about the Internet. If you want to get outraged, it’s there to feed you.

Echo Chambers and Algorithm Bias

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, totally. And then, and then once you click on something, they’re just going to keep feeding you more and more of that. And I’m sort of like, is this as big of a story as my algorithm is telling me it is? Because I remember, you know, and this is, I think, why it’s like more important than ever to be on stage as much as possible, to just corroborate, like a premise, to make sure that everyone even, even is aware of it, given our little echo chambers and stuff.

But remember when Kamala Harris was like, giving speeches that it kind of seemed like she was shitfaced? Like, it just, it sort of seemed like she was like slurring words or something. Those were, you know, that would come. And I was like, doing this joke about it before the election that was like, you know, like, maybe this is what we need. Like, what’s scarier than a, you know, alcoholic woman with no kids? You know, like, she could just be calling up like, Putin in the middle of the night, like, “Hey, f*.” Like, she’s just, you know.

And I was doing, it was doing well, everyone got it. And then I was somewhere in like, New York City, I think it was. And no one had seen that video. People were like, what are you talking? No one had seen, had any awareness of that. And I was, it was kind of bone chilling because I’m like.

JOE ROGAN: Well, she’s probably exhausted. Right? That’s the other thing. You’re running around, you’re doing so much. You’re campaigning. You’re constantly doing. If you catch me and I’m really tired, I sound like I’m on pills.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Like I’m fing, you know, and then you’re probably a little casual about everything because you’re doing something. You’re repeating the same things over and over again. Going to these places, you’re fing completely exhausted, or you’re coming off of whatever they put you on. Totally.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Adrenaline. And, you know, it’s also, I think, that they’re used to, there’s this old way of doing things where you could say the same thing on every platform and no one would cut it all together, you know, that’s it.

The Minneapolis Cash Investigation

JOE ROGAN: Okay, here it is. I found it. I’m going to send this to you, Jamie, because this is apparently a legitimate source. I’m looking up the main source. They said they got it from Homeland Security officials told a source called Just the News. So I’ve never. I’m just looking up. Well, this is the TSA. Yeah, that’s what it says. Yeah.

Federal probe, hundreds of million dollars inspected, smaller cash and living Minneapolis air. It says that this is the source story. So I was just trying to find out if it’s a legit source. What they were told for sure that money didn’t just stay in the community, especially if they didn’t have the ability to organize this and develop this scam. Someone else helped them, and those people were getting money from it.

So how were they getting the money? Were they getting the money in cash? Was it being sent and wired to offshore accounts? Like, how are they doing? It’s clear that there’s so much money missing, it’s in the billions now. It’s bigger than the entire GDP of Somalia just from Minnesota, allegedly wild. The entire GDP of a country, one state’s fraud is supposedly over the course of, you know, X amount of days that they did this.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And is it true that the guy that uncovered it was kind of like some guy, like, it was like Nick Shirley kid. Yeah. This, like, Internet young kid.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Good for him.

JOE ROGAN: But I mean, there’s the other question. Like, did someone direct him towards this? Is this, like, you know what I’m saying? Is this, like, did the Republicans set this up to try to expose it? Is it him just being an independent journalist? He seems like a very smart kid. I’ve seen him. He was on Patrick Bet David’s show.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: He’s a virgin.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Why do we, why do we, why did he, why do we know that?

JOE ROGAN: Because he talks about it. He talked about it. He said he was a virgin. He said they can’t get him on anything. He can’t get me on sexual assault. I’m a virgin. You can’t get me on anything.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: We can get you on being a virgin.

JOE ROGAN: Here we are. Transportation Security Administration flagged nearly $700 million in cash detected in passengers luggage leaving the Minneapolis airport in the last two years. That’s crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s probably it. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: That’s crazy. A massive, massive cash exit is believed to be tied to Somali immigrants and their money couriers. Homeland Security officials told Just the News. So who’s the Homeland Security official though. You know what I mean?

Reading through it. That first statement doesn’t say like all. All flat. Sorry, let me start this over. Some of these were a million dollars and it says that they were legally declared every time they did it. Right. But you could legally declare it if it was cleared by whoever the f* is involved in this fraud. Right.

So if you’re donating $35 million last year, just last year in 2025 to Democratic politicians from these Somali daycares, which I believe is true. I was trying to look that up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And couldn’t find out bundles of cash and luggage, some as much as a million dollars in a single trip. Raised suspicions.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, this is the part I don’t, that I was like taking each statement as, it doesn’t say that those were each like that particular one was Somali person. That could have been someone going to Vegas. Could have been someone going by a house. I don’t know. Like I’m saying all $335 million. Nobody buys a house with a million dollars. I’m not saying they did. I’m just saying.

But it could have been anybody. It could have been buying a Bugatti. Could have been a poker player going to the World Series of Poker. You know, Dan Cook’s brother.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yep.

JOE ROGAN: I’m just sort of saying to be the.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I don’t know, Tony Hinchcliffe going to the cowboy boot store.

Analyzing the Source

JOE ROGAN: It’s conflating a bunch of stuff together. Right. Justthenews.com. Is that a legitimate organization? Is that a far right organization? Let’s look at their side articles and we’ll get a view of what their perspective is.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is that what you do? Look at the trending larger.

JOE ROGAN: Make that a little larger. Let’s see. Trump orders government to buy $200 billion in mortgage bonds to lower rates. That’s pro right wing. CDC misled the public with study implying Covid vaccines save healthy kids. UCLA expert warns also right wing USCS is another sanctioned oil tanker in the Caribbean. Sanctioned oil tanker. Not just oil tanker. They were sanctioned right wing. Maduro’s ouster leaves China holding the bag on oil investments. Right wing, right.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Also. What’s a UCLA expert?

JOE ROGAN: Top one comrade. No, no, no. Larger comrade Singham to face House subpoena as a CCP tied network reveals or leads rather renewed anti ICE protests. So it seems like, like this is a very right wing. This is just the news. Seems like at least see just the news. No noise.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. And House fails to override Trump veto.

JOE ROGAN: It just said Minnesota travelers alone. I was like well, that could be anybody from Minnesota. Then Minneapolis Travelers alone had $342.37 million in their luggage in 2024. That’s a lot of money. Okay, let’s find this out. So Minnesota Travelers alone had $342.37 million in their luggage in 2024. So let’s put into perplexity. How much money did California travelers have in their luggage in 2024?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: How many Bitcoin did California travelers have in their aholes?

JOE ROGAN: California travelers have in their luggage in 2024. But who puts at the TSA?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Does anyone ever measure your money when you go through or count it?

JOE ROGAN: No. You’re supposed to declare, I think if you have money more than ten grand.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But we lied.

JOE ROGAN: Everyone. I know, I know, I know that’s true. That’s what they said. But these were all, you know.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But if I went through with, with a thousand dollars, they never would know.

JOE ROGAN: Or is it so the amount cannot be determined from available data. TSA and regulated agencies track only limited categories such as unclaimed money at checkpoints or certain cash seizures. And these figures are nationwide rather than specific to California travelers or all money carried in their luggage. Okay, so how do they know that about Minnesota?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: Coming from one source. That’s why I was like, why did they only tell one source? Why wouldn’t they have told all that? Like, why wouldn’t they call Fox? Why wouldn’t they call CNN? Also, it’s this one very right leaning website. Right. It appears right leaning.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: How do they ascertain cash someone’s carrying through?

JOE ROGAN: A Tennessee Star has it as well. They were just reporting the same article from Just the News. Right. So that’s another way that you can distribute propaganda. You have one source and then you send that source out and a bunch of other people repeat it. And said as reported by this one website. And that one website might be bullsh*t.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I also like to look at the ads that are on the surrounding the article. Exactly. If it’s like gun safe, I’m like, this is right wing. If it’s like tampons for men, I’m like, I think this is the left wing one. Okay, got it. That always kind of helps.

That’s wild. I have a family member who works in like kind of banking. And I’m like, what’s up with this oil? What’s up with the China buying up all the silver? What are we doing? Did you see the doomsday plane?

The Doomsday Plane

JOE ROGAN: What’s the doomsday plane?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: The doomsday plane that I mean, could just be a psyop. But it’s the doomsday plane. I think it went to California. The one that is in case of a nuclear event. It can hold stay in the sky for a couple days and self refuel. It’s made my nipples hard just looking at it. It’s gorgeous.

JOE ROGAN: Jamie, Doomsday plane.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Jamie, can you pull up this doomsday plane so people listening don’t think I’m Rosanna. Okay.

JOE ROGAN: Doomsday. Trump’s doomsday E4B plane sighted in Washington and Los Angeles days after Maduro captured.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But get that pretty picture up of it. I mean that it looks.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a terrible picture.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, that just.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s them citing it. But go back to the art.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Look at this thing.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the doomsday plane.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: What is that? Isn’t that they’re all different with the blue strip stripe?

JOE ROGAN: That’s, wait a minute. They’re all different. This is when they’re selling it from Northrop Grumman. So anybody can buy it and then you get it in America’s logos on it. Right, but it’s also different in the way it’s built. Look at the top of it. Is that the escape pod at the very top where they pop off and go to Mars? It’s similar inside the doomsday plane.

Okay, so what it, go back to the article. What is the, well, put it into perplexity. What is the capacity of the United States doomsday E4B plane? Like, what does it do?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It can like stay in the air for a couple days. It can refuel itself.

JOE ROGAN: What is the capacity of the doomsday plane the United States has?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s chock full of cocaine, ketamine.

JOE ROGAN: Elon made sure it’s mushrooms.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Okay. It accommodates a little over 100 people. With typical published figures ranging from about 108 mission crew up to roughly 111 to 112 total passengers, total personnel including flight crew and staff and official media descriptions usually summarized as seating for around 110 people. What can it do? Okay, endurance. Look at that. What’s the maximum endurance? Click on that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: No, this thing is like a beast.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, give us one answer. Can stay aloft for 150 hours.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, that’s it?

JOE ROGAN: Mm, that’s not much. With sources describing capabilities from roughly 72 hours up to about a week in sustained operations. So it can fly for a week? That’s crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Because it can self fuel. It can fuel air.

JOE ROGAN: Keep it up, please. And then how long can it stay with aerial refueling? This is what I think you were getting at.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: It can theoretically remain airborne for several days, limited mainly by crew fatigue and maintenance needs rather than fuel. Multiple sources describe realistic endurance of roughly three to seven days of continuous flight under sustained operations when supported by tankers and rotation of crew.

So here’s the thing. If it is a doomsday scenario and you’re up in the air for five days, it’s just like, that just means you’re going to die in five days.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: That’s right.

The Venezuela Extraction

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Or do you just pull this out as a message to everybody? You know, because you would only need this if there was a nuclear event, right? So it’s the idea to just go like, hey, what just happened in, you know, Venezuela? Just so you guys know, we’re flying this thing around, you know, when’s the last time it flew? When’s the last time it made a cameo?

Also, I don’t, I mean, I know we were texting about the Delta extraction and like, I would never want to. I mean, watching the video of the Delta extraction, how they, of Maduro, they built like a replica of the building and were blindfolded, like going through it, you know, practicing it and stuff.

JOE ROGAN: But it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I was talking to your guy when we were coming over. It could have been pre negotiated, right? There is a chance that that could have been pre negotiated.

JOE ROGAN: They killed 80 of his.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Okay, never mind.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think it was negotiated.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, no, probably not.

JOE ROGAN: Here’s one funny, but it is weird.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That his wife was, I guess that was like a thing a couple people flagged.

JOE ROGAN: What, that they kidnapped her?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Just that she was there and involved.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, she’s his wife.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: One of the funny ones was somebody posted on Twitter a photograph of this woman and her children. And she, and the journalist said, “This woman and her children, her husband and their father was killed in the US raid in Venezuela.” And then everybody was like, right, what was he there for? What was he doing there? Was he a f*ing mercenary? Like, what was he doing?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Hmm.

JOE ROGAN: You know, he was Cuban, apparently, because there was a lot of Cuban defense that they used that Maduro used for whatever reason. I guess communists love each other.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: They hang out with each other, other dictators. Like, hey, borrow some of you guys?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I mean, the guy might have been a mercenary. There was certainly mercenaries working for him. He had 80 people died that were there protecting him. They f*ing stormed in. They didn’t lose a single US service member.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So sick. Crazy. I mean, just like, flawless.

JOE ROGAN: Other dictators got to be like, f*.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, I didn’t know. I mean, is that why Iran? Was that why Iran was like, now’s the time?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, well, the people are cracking down. The people are out in the streets now. But now, apparently the Islamic regime is assassinating people that are protesting.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And your boy, this is where Elon really shines. Like, you know, bringing Starlink over to a country that has cut off Wi-Fi.

JOE ROGAN: Right, right. Because that’s what they do. They cut off Wi-Fi so these people can’t organize.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I think it’s also been cut off for them. I mean, I don’t think they’ve had a limited version of it for so long.

JOE ROGAN: Well, they definitely kill people who protest. They killed a gold medalist in the Olympics. They killed a guy who was a wrestler gold medalist. Because the UFC tried to get involved and keep this guy from being assassinated. They killed him.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You’ve seen, like, video of Iran in, like, the seventies and stuff. Crazy.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, we did that. Yeah, we did that because they wanted to nationalize their oil. We were like, nah, playa, nah, nah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, hell nah, brah.

The CIA’s Role in Iran’s Transformation

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, they had a democratic society. It is entirely because of the intelligence agencies. We went over there and, you know, you can find the story. Find the story. So I don’t butcher it, but essentially the Shah was like, hey, why is the British Petroleum Company or whatever it was, why are they making all the money? We’ll nationalize our oil. And he was gone, you know, within days.

And they put in the Islamic regime, and it has been a religious state ever since then. I mean, that’s our doing. Or the British oil company and us, multiple different people. And essentially it was all just about his oil or the country’s oil, rather.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But Maduro, he was going to be torn limb to limb at some point, right?

JOE ROGAN: Well, he had a bounty on him by the Biden administration. This is one thing that people need to understand. It wasn’t just the Trump administration.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Hunter Biden, that’s who to send in.

JOE ROGAN: He had his own administration used to smoking crack. Kill him. He’s ruining my crack. No, the Biden administration had a bounty on Maduro. They had, I believe it was 20 million or 22 million trying to get people to off that guy. So it wasn’t like we’re the only ones that think he was a bad guy. They were trying to use money to get people to kill that guy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And besides the oil of it all, like, were they going to allow China and Russia to use it to put missiles out?

JOE ROGAN: China was there negotiating with Maduro the day the US came and kidnapped him.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Bad move, homie.

JOE ROGAN: They came in that day, were having meetings with Maduro, and that night they snatched him out of his bed.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You think to get oil or to put nuclear?

JOE ROGAN: 100% to get oil.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: They want that oil. Everybody wants that oil.

Motherhood and Finite Resources

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s so funny, like, when I’m, you know, having a kid, you know, the way that it changes you, but, like, the things you focus on, the things you’re obsessed with that keep you up at night. Like, before I had a kid, it was like, is he going to text me back? Now I’m, like, obsessed with, like, finite resources. I’m like, where’s all the helium? Like, we’re running out of helium. Like, where’s the…

JOE ROGAN: What’s helium for besides balloons?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Hilarious. Yeah, I won’t be able to have a birthday party for my son. What are clowns going to do? No, it’s for ventilators. Although I think we found the ventilators actually in Covid, they harmed people. But I think it’s like ventilators and medical stuff.

Like, you know, helium is finite. Like, there’s only a certain amount, and we kind of just use it for, like, the Macy’s Day parade, for, like, floats and shit. But I think that there is actually a lot of helium in Texas, maybe Oklahoma, and then Qatar is like, the other place that it. We have it, but we have a limited supply of helium.

JOE ROGAN: I never even thought about helium before. Except the comedy clubs.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Don’t get me started on…

JOE ROGAN: Oh, shout out to Philly.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, helium, Philly, awesome club. Also sand, I think.

JOE ROGAN: Jamie, what’s the story behind Iran and the nationalization of their oil? I mean, that’s a longer story that goes back to the fifties and seventies, right? But when we did it, because we definitely were involved, the US was involved in overthrowing the legitimate government of Iran.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah. Putting the ayatollah in. And then they ruined the entire country because Iranian women are f*ing hot.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They’re beautiful and smart as shit. I truly, every my OB who saved me and my son’s life during childbirth, like, just Iranian bitches do not play around.

JOE ROGAN: They make great wrestlers too. United States initially tried to mediate between Britain and Iran during the 1951 nationalization crisis, but then moved to help overturn Iran’s elected government to reverse the consequences of the nationalization. All about oil.

1953, U.S. officials helped organize the coup that removed Prime Minister Mohammed, how do you say that word? Mossadegh. Mossadegh. I don’t know how to say that word.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m going to leave you out on a clip.

JOE ROGAN: Whose rise had been closely tied to the nationalization of Iranian oil. In March 1951, Iran’s parliament voted to nationalize the assets of British owned Anglo Iranian Oil Company, responding to long standing grievances over low royalties and foreign control. That’s it.

Nationalist leader became prime minister soon after and made implementation of nationalization central to his program. So under President Truman, the US generally opposed the idea of full nationalization in principle but did not want Iran pushed to the collapse or moved toward the Soviet Union. Washington sent envoys such as, so they wanted to keep it away from the Soviet Union. So they turned into his Islamic regime.

George McGee and W. Avril Harriman to seek a compromise that would preserve western access to oil while accepting some changes to the existing concession. Okay. Reversal in 1953 under President Eisenhower. U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, working, there it is, working with Britain’s MI6 carried out Operation Ajax, covert operation to overthrow Moscow, whatever you say, his name is Masadei. And strengthened the Shah’s rule.

The coup removed the government most associated with oil nationalization and paved the way in 1954 for an international oil consortium in which five major US oil companies, along with British and other firms gained significant stakes in Iranian oil, ending exclusive British control. That’s it. We did it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m fascinated by…

JOE ROGAN: You ruined it.

The Gradual Erosion of Freedom

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There was this TV show on, I think National Geographic, I want to say, called A Little Light or A Small Light that was about like what was going on with, you know, in the Holocaust. Like it was a slow, it was slow. It wasn’t just like one day they just got, you know, it was like they, you know, slowly started, you know, seizing art and then, you know, not letting them get jobs.

Like how these gradual things happen. Like to go from the seventies of like the women out in bathing suits to like there’s women that are, you know, that had enjoyed the freedom and then all of a sudden had to like, it’s just so fascinating that like how gradual it is.

JOE ROGAN: Oh yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And how you get desensitized. How you make…

JOE ROGAN: It’s a frog in boiling water.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. You don’t realize they’re boiling until it’s too late.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Or you do know what’s happening.

JOE ROGAN: And that’s what’s happening right now in New York City.

New York’s Carriage Horses

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But he said he would stop the carriage horses. So I’m all for it.

JOE ROGAN: I’m kind of down with that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, me too.

JOE ROGAN: I think that’s f*ed up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s disgusting.

JOE ROGAN: Those horses do not need to be wandering around New York City sniffing f*ing brake dust.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s disgusting.

JOE ROGAN: Carrying assholes around.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s disgusting. I mean, it’s, you know, me and my like horse thing, but it’s so disgusting. And you know, the amount, it’s like nobody knows how many elephants kill their trainers a year and how many, you know, all kinds of crazy. We saw the orca kill the trainer, you know, but stuff like that happens so often and they just cover it up.

But the amount of carriage horses, a couple of them got out and we’ve seen them get out and we’ve seen them collapse and all this horrific stuff and something else is going on with it, which is, and look, I’m the first person to say, like, New York was really safe when the mafia was, you know, kind of like there’s that documentary about how they would sort of protect people in the subways and you sort of would fill in where the government couldn’t.

But there’s something going on with the horse carriage business. A horse got out who was 29 years old. Archie was his name.

JOE ROGAN: 29.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: 29, yeah. It only had a couple more years and I tried to negotiate with them. Got a bunch of friends that have like f* you money and basically said, you’re going to get $38,000 cash. This is a horse that’s pretty much done right? Cash. We’ll take the horse in the middle of the night. No social media, nothing. And they said no. The amount of money they’re making is so insane. And it’s mostly torture forests, honestly.

JOE ROGAN: They make that much money from horse drawn carriages?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Tons. Tons from other countries of people that have different ideas of animal respect towards animals than we do.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, so it’s mostly foreigners riding in the horse.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I don’t think it’s a lot of…

JOE ROGAN: White people in those.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, really?

JOE ROGAN: Well, yeah, Polish people, Russian white, goofy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, maybe that. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, we’re in a horse. It’s so romantic. We’re out in the air.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’d be so much sicker. I pitch them, like, do robot horses, like sick dinosaurs. Do like a dinosaur trolley ride or something around the city. That’d be so much…

New York’s Housing Crisis

JOE ROGAN: Jamie, I sent you that thing about the lady that’s now in charge of housing in New York. This is wild. This one’s wild. She wants to like kill real estate value, that’s her idea. Like she wants to literally to make housing more affordable. She wants to kill real estate value to inelastic good.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You can’t.

JOE ROGAN: Well, she’s, it’s moronic.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, this woman.

JOE ROGAN: Listen to this lady. Listen to this.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And she has like a million dollar house.

JOE ROGAN: Her mom does.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, well, of course.

Housing Official: “A housing is owned by a collective and people are paying 30% of their income in order to live in their housing. If your income is zero, you pay zero. If your income is $500,000 a year, you’re paying 30% of that. And the government is providing the sort of, the government is the sort of owner, or not even the owner. The government doesn’t have to be the owner, but the government is what’s making sure all of that, that sort of works in cash flows.”

Interviewer: “The debt to GDP ratio right now is the highest since World War II. So how can the federal government also afford to start subsidizing rental housing costs?”

Housing Official: “The federal government prints money. The federal government needs to provide money for them.”

The Economics of Housing and Progressive Ideology

JOE ROGAN: So it’s by printing money. Sure, that’s her idea. Print money. The federal government print money to provide housing. Jack up interest rates, Jack up the f*ing debt. Print money to provide housing. And everyone pays 30% for housing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: First of all, why are you talking to me in a hoodie? What? Like, what mental illness is that? Like, how dare you? First of all, you look like powder. You look like. Yeah, like, first of all, first of all, get a blowout, throw some mascara. Like we’re. Are we professionals anymore? You’re in a Costco hoodie and a T-shirt. Like, what are we doing?

JOE ROGAN: Well, you see, they’ve confronted her about these ideas and she breaks down crying.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But she didn’t even know what she was saying. She’s like, well, sort of like she was kind of.

JOE ROGAN: We won’t own it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Her training was UCB. Like she’s just improvising an idea. No, the government does that. She’s not even making eye contact. Like, damn.

JOE ROGAN: Well, a lot of these wokies, they come from rich families. They feel bad about being privileged. And one specifically thing she said that was going to really impact white people.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: What is fascinating about that is that because I think she believes she’s coming from the moral high ground. I think this is what’s really sort of to someone who I feel like is similar to you. And then I’m like, I was as liberal. I had blue hair, you guys.

JOE ROGAN: I remember when you had blue hair.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I rescue pit bulls. Like, it doesn’t get any more Liberal than me. Like, it doesn’t get any anymore. But the whole idea with being liberal is like, you had me at we’re not racist. Everyone’s equal. But, you know, diversity. But then it turns into diversity communism. Diversity, but not diversity of thought. Right.

The hypocrisy of it got. And I think that as comics, we’re people who. You know, I may not be an expert in politics, but I’m an expert on hypocrisy. When you grow up around alcoholics who say, “I love you” and then their behaviors in Congress, you study, you look for patterns of hypocrisy. That’s just what we’re wired to do.

So it just started to just be like, hold on. We don’t believe in gender, but we need a female president. You’re like, huh? And then it’s like, my body, my choice. Unless it’s a baby that needs a vaccine for hepatitis B, which comes from butt sex. Like, what are you? Right.

JOE ROGAN: And sharing needles.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And sharing needles. And then we believe in climate change and sea is rising, but we live on the coast. Like, would you buy a house on the beach if you truly believe that the seas are. Know you. You know, we believe in recycling, but why can’t you give Andrew Yang another shot? Like, why won’t you give. Where did Beto go? Remember Beto O’Rourke?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, that guy was a mess.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But he. But any more so than any.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, yeah, he’s a mess.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, worse than.

JOE ROGAN: No, I mean, they’re all a mess. Like, when you have these blanket progressive ideas, you’ve attached yourself to an ideology, and that ideology you’ll defend because it’s your identity, it’s you. It’s who you are.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But didn’t he. He at least seemed, you know. You know, I didn’t know that much about what. From what I knew, he made a joke about his wife taking care of the kids, you know, and the left was like, you’re sexist. Hate women. It was like. But what I saw with her was this idea of, I’m so moral that I don’t even have to make a good argument. And the left stopped making an argument or even outlining what they’re just, well, no, I’m moral and I’m better than you and I don’t have to even make an argument.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that. I mean, I don’t know when she gave that interview. So let’s suppose she gave that interview a long time ago, before she had this job, and she was just saying, this is what ideally, I would like. And then she gets the job. Right. And now when she’s. What is her official job? 2021 was the interview. There you go. The office of office to protect tenants.

So was she working for that office back then? No, no, no, no. She would have been, I think, on Monday. I don’t even know if he was running. He wouldn’t have been running back in 2021, would he? Right. Well, she definitely was doing podcasts with him back then.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, she definitely just got out of soul cycle in this video.

JOE ROGAN: But, yeah, I don’t know where her actual position was back at the time. She might have been on his campaign. Okay, so this was reason. And they were having this conversation with her, and so to lead the city’s office to protect tenants. Look, there’s definitely slumlords. You should definitely protect tenants. There’s definitely, definitely shitty owners and landlords that are.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: She’s basically saying government housing.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but what she’s saying is crazy. Like, taking 30% of whatever you make. That’s nuts. So if you make a billion dollars a year, if you’re Elon Musk or whoever it is, you have to pay 30%. Yeah, that’s bananas.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: The thing about New York, and maybe this is, you know, and I don’t even know what, you know, side anything, an idea makes anybody on anymore. Sometimes I’ll say someone, and people be like, oh, so you’re like, alt left. And I’m like, I don’t know. I just thought that good idea. Then people are like, oh, so you’re like, super conservative. I’m like, no, I shop.

JOE ROGAN: Don’t shop.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, you got it. And so don’t shop.

JOE ROGAN: Don’t adopt.

The Reality of Living in New York City

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And so New York is expensive. That’s the deal. If you don’t, you can’t. I remember one time going to Howard Stern’s house, and Howard Stern is he’s got more money than Guy, and it was, like, still in. He was able to get two. Buy two floors of a. But it’s still like an apartment. You know what I mean? It’s like New York. This is what. Whatever $100 million in rivers gets you in New York.

JOE ROGAN: Like, I know it’s not.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Still not that big. Like, I know my horse has stable. Yeah. My horse’s stable is, like, twice the size of this.

JOE ROGAN: But if you want to live in the city for convenience, that’s what it costs. That’s right.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So it’s like.

JOE ROGAN: And if you’re Jeffrey Epstein, somebody donates you a house.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. Or an office. On the Harvard campus.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I love it when people that are professors at Harvard or like, I was professor at Harvard. Like, well, so Epstein had an office, too. But, like, okay. I feel like, it’s just like, New York’s supposed to be expensive. That’s the deal, you know? And, you know, I had a place there for, like, a year. I remember I was in, like, Chelsea area. And because I just want to go back and forth, I was like, try.

There’s something about New York that does really put a fire under your ass. Like, I remember, you know, actually, it was Dice back in the day. I used to just ask comics, like, you know, because you’re just. You’re a nobody, and you’re just starting, and you’re in the hallway with a legend, like, what do you say? You know, And I would always just go, like, if you have any advice, happy to hear it. You know, Some people love giving advice.

Other people, I was, like, going up to Bill Burr, like, help me. Like, I could read the vibe. And he said, sleep. Like, get as much sleep as you can. And then he was like, when you make it, make sure you don’t get too comfortable. Because, like, as comics, we still need to kind of. And I think that for a long. For a long time, I think I took bad advice that maybe I had just gleaned.

I don’t remember anyone giving it to me of, like, you have to be crazy to be funny, or your life has to be a mess to be funny. I think a lot of comics hold on to that. If I ever get happy or have a kid or am in a healthy relationship, I won’t be as funny. I don’t think that’s true. I actually think it freed up bandwidth. Like, getting out of.

JOE ROGAN: It doesn’t have to be true, but it can be true.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Can be.

JOE ROGAN: That’s right. Well, comfort can make people fat, too. It can get lazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But also, it’s like, if you’re not, you know, that’s why I go to the grocery store. I got, you know, not that I, you know, wouldn’t, but, like, you got to make sure that you’re still in the trenches and that you still don’t. You don’t make your life so easy.

JOE ROGAN: That, you know, you’re not disassociated. You’re not disconnected from the outside world.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. And just atrophied, like, and less resilient and, you know. And, you know. So what am I talking about? This is. This is where mom brain does come in.

JOE ROGAN: You were talking about New York City.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: New York City. So I’m in New York City, and I just wanted to write new stuff. It was like things were going well. I bought a house and I was like, you know, New York’s just a little more of a dog fight, and I wanted to go to the cellar and, you know, the stand and all these places. And I’m in this apartment. It’s probably.

JOE ROGAN: What year is this?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: 8. Right before the pandemic.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah. You got an apartment in New York before the pandemic?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: For, like, it was. I was already out of it probably six months before.

JOE ROGAN: So were you going back and forth?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I had it for a year. I was going back and forth because I also was, like, torn so much that I would go, okay, if I’m going to be in, you know, Florida at the end of, you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I should just go to New York because then I’m going to North Carolina that Thursday anyway. I was just, like, doing clubs to work on the new hour.

JOE ROGAN: Like, I might single, so it’s easy. Have a kid.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Exactly. And let me just stay on the east coast, right? And. And let me just, like, do a software update. It’s like, Ari made me go on a hike for the monster. He’s like, you need to go to Somalia for a year with no phone. I was like, I’ll just. How about I get a place in New York?

JOE ROGAN: Ari’s been. His ideas are so ridiculous.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’ll go to Little Italy. How about that?

JOE ROGAN: Go to Tibet. I live in a yurt in Mongolia.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And I remember, like, every time I would turn on the. The bathtub, the toilet would. The effluvium from the toilet would come through the bathtub. It was like some wild dude. And then there was also a elevator in the building that people kick it off on your floor. So half the time I’d be sleeping in, like, a bunch of dudes would just, like, get off, you know?

And I had this plumber come, and I was like, oh, can you help with the shit? The gutter. Going into the bath. One thing that’s relaxing is a bath. And then I’m just like, in sewage. And he was like, it’s New York. And I was like, no. But, like, can you fix it? He’s like, nah. Like, his job is just going around to people and reminding them they live in New York. And this is the deal.

JOE ROGAN: Like, there’s no way to stop the f*ing sewer water.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He’s like, I could snake it, but, like, that’s not. It’s just this is. And this is part of why, like, Trump won. Like, like, infrastructure. You know, there’s pipes explode all the time because they’re just hitting their limit of being, you know, 100, whatever years old. Like, but New York is the place you go when you kind of, you know, want to be in a dog fight on a daily basis.

You’re going to be spending more every time you sit down. It’s 100 bucks. You know, it’s. Even if you get affordable housing in New York, like a bottle of water, food, like, everything’s expensive there, Right?

JOE ROGAN: You know, because it has to be brought in.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s emotionally expensive. It’s literally expensive, figuratively expensive. Like, it’s. You know, I’m going to reduce all that.

JOE ROGAN: She’s going to make everything valueless.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, what? Like. But why would you want to take the. Yeah, I mean, there’s things that are artificial value, like art and stuff like that, but land is.

New York’s Economic Challenges

JOE ROGAN: What’s probably going to do is it’s probably going to lead to some sort of a Republican government there. They’re probably going to be a lot of backlash. People are probably going to organize, probably going to realize that you can’t have communism, and it’ll go. It’ll swing the other way because everyone’s kind of leaving, right?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: All the people with money are leaving New York.

JOE ROGAN: So they’re saying, like, f*ing Robert De Niro was talking about it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Whoa. He’s like, the king of New York.

JOE ROGAN: Is his savings. Fine. If that’s accurate, that might have been a fake quote.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They need to use everybody’s tax dollars to pay for all this. But all the taxpayers are leaving. That are big money.

JOE ROGAN: Exactly. But if they’re taxing everybody. The thing is, it’s like, you can’t just tax your way out of problems, because we know that that money goes and it’s grossly inefficient what they do with it. The government is not good at using your money. They’ve never been good. There’s not, like, one example of the government doing an amazing job with your money. Originated as satire. There it is. It’s fake.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I mean, he owns, like, hotels there. He does, like, the film festival there and everything, right? He’s like, yeah, he loves it there. He’s like the guy.

JOE ROGAN: People stand outside his house and yell at him in the crazy Trump people. They know where he lives, so they stand outside his house and yell at him. “F* you, Bobby.”

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Good for everybody.

JOE ROGAN: “Trump won, Bobby, you f*ing boozer.” That’s the crazy thing about living in New York, somebody just walk right up to your door. If you have one of those walk ups. Knock, knock, knock. It’s the sidewalk is in front of your house. That’s what De Niro lives. Let’s go. Knock. Didn’t some crazy person break into his house recently? An ex wife, like a lady? I think like some crazy lady stalker broke into his house and he wasn’t there.

The Robert De Niro Break-In

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Lady stalkers can really get far because no one thinks that they’re. I don’t want to talk about one too much, but there’s one in my life who can just.

JOE ROGAN: Serial burglar accused of breaking into Robert De Niro’s New York City townhouse. Went on new crime spree after release on bail.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Did they know it was Robert De Niro, 2023?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Who is this person?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: How do they know he lives?

JOE ROGAN: Serial burglar Shanice Aviles was allegedly caught red handed trying to steal Oscar winning actors Christmas presents. Whoa. She’s the Grinch. She was released from Rikers on May 3. Since then she’s been charged at least two more thefts, including one in which she allegedly snuck into a Columbia University building and slugged a security guard. She’s a villain.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And I love like a Christmas present marauder.

JOE ROGAN: Well, she was charged with stealing $416 worth of merchandise from a TJ Maxx on 6th Avenue.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You can get a lot for that amount. Yeah, the TJ Maxx, that’s like most of the store.

JOE ROGAN: She was busted again. Let me see her face. See if I can see. Crazy. Yep, crazy. Look at her eyebrows.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Are those shaved? Look at her face.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, you got me. Whatever, Whatever. Poor Robert.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I mean, like what? Like if you’re stealing Robert De Niro’s presence, like, what’s she going to do with an aura ring?

JOE ROGAN: Security guard patrolling the building around 6:30pm spotted tools sitting near an open window that should have been locked shut. Then found Avila’s inside the building. She used tools filling up her bag with various items. According to a criminal complaint. Yeah, she used tools broken in the house. Bro. Get a f*ing dog. Get a Belgian Malibu. Get a meat missile.

Dogs as Home Security

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: People not having dogs, like, what are you doing? I don’t know how to convince people. I mean, yeah, I never have problems like that. I leave all my doors unlocked.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I wouldn’t do that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m like, I wish a motherf*er would.

JOE ROGAN: Whoa.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I mean, I have large dogs.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but still shoot your dogs pretty easy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And then. So your new dog was Marshall. Like instantly like, loved them buddies.

JOE ROGAN: They’re best friends. But the new dog’s also like a little anti wolf. They’ve taken wolves and turned them into these cute cuddly lily things you can carry around with you.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: When I look at that, that to me is like, I feel like humans were kind of like, this is never going to change. But things do change fast sometimes. Like, you know, like smoking. I remember when I first moved to LA, people were smoking inside. And then I remember people going outside to smoke. Like it just in our lifetime, we like watched like a huge change.

JOE ROGAN: Like they banned smoking in bars. Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Huge cataclysmic changes, like, can happen.

JOE ROGAN: That’s just because the people that were working in the bars were getting f*ing cancer. So the thing is, like, I want to be able to smoke in a bar. That’s great. But what about the poor waitress?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. The second hand. Right.

JOE ROGAN: This lady who just wants to make a living and doesn’t even smoke now she has lung cancer. That’s crazy. So that is a. That’s a liability for the organization, for the city.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Totally.

JOE ROGAN: It’s bad for everybody.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Pregnant women can’t come drink at the bar.

JOE ROGAN: Right. Go outside. And you can’t prank if you’re pregnant.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I know.

JOE ROGAN: I’m kidding.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m kidding. What now you tell damn it, Joe.

Dangerous Technologies of the Past

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But also you can get hip, be shot. I’m obsessed with the things that are so dangerous that used to just be places like in shoe stores. They used to have little X ray machines in shoe stores. Yep. And people started getting foot cancer that worked there. Cause all day they just put their foot in the X ray machine.

JOE ROGAN: What?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Cause that’s how they used to. I remember because there was a shoe store where my mom lived and it had like an old antique one.

JOE ROGAN: Like an old antique one.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Antique one with a little X ray machine. That’s crazy. And if you’re working there and you’re bored and you’re just sticking your foot in it all day, that’s nuts. I never knew that that’s how they would take your foot size.

JOE ROGAN: Isn’t it nuts how like new technology, they have no idea it’s killing people.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: No clue.

JOE ROGAN: Do you know about the radium?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Girls love it already.

JOE ROGAN: This is a horrible story. So when you have a watch, like, you know, like a Rolex, and it’s at night, you could see its lume. So during the daytime it charges up at the light. And at night you can see the indicators. They light up. They glow in the dark. The reason they glow in the dark is because they’re fing radioactive. Yeah, so they paint. Not now, I don’t think, but they paint them. And so these girls were touching the tips of this fing paintbrush when they were painting lume on these dials and they were all getting horrific cancer where they were getting holes in their face. See if you can find some of the images.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, bummer.

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s some images of iranium sickness.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Are these just your porn searches, Jamie?

JOE ROGAN: Those are the Radium Girls.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Bummer.

JOE ROGAN: Radium Girls is like. I think there’s a documentary. Yeah, there is. No, there’s a movie from 2020.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, because that’s Joey the Dark.

JOE ROGAN: Story of America’s Shining Women.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, it’s like all kinds of stuff like this. Like Christopher Reeve’s wife got lung cancer from his machine.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, God.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I know.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That kind of stuff kills me.

JOE ROGAN: I, I, oh my God.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I always think about nail girls. The girls that are in there doing acrylic nails. Like, what, you’re just inhaling this all day.

JOE ROGAN: I know. And they wear like a mask, like a surgeon’s mask.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like that’s just so they can talk about us.

JOE ROGAN: But nah, but that surgeon’s mask is not going to help you from the f*ing fumes. Yeah, people that work around toxic chemicals. I was reading this thing about women that clean that Women that work with cleaning solvents all day, they get lung cancer and it’s like they’re smoking three packs a day.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Totally. Like my, the woman that’s been with me, she’s like my family who helps me maintain my house. It’s all we make it, it’s all clean, you know, like not ammonia, organic stuff. It’s like vinegar and.

JOE ROGAN: Well, you should just have that in your house.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Tea tree and stuff.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, not if it’s not you cleaning. You don’t want that sht in your fing house, period.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, but then, like as women then we like spray our hair and put a bunch of makeup on, you know? Yeah, we’re all high at all times, just chock full of chemicals. Like, it’s so wild. You think about the amount of endocrine disruptors we put on on a daily basis.

Red Light Therapy and Botox

JOE ROGAN: But pumping botulism into your face to keep it from moving.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You know what? I don’t do it anymore.

JOE ROGAN: Ah, congratulations on your eyebrows. Your forehead moves. Your eyebrows have been free.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It really is. My hairline went bad.

JOE ROGAN: Well, you said you’ve been doing the red light. Red light is the key. Red light brings collagen to your skin. It gives your skin a more youthful appearance. It helps your entire body heal better. It helps your mitochondria. But we were talking about this before the podcast for both of us. It’s improved our vision.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: It really has. My vision was on a downward. Very steady. Like, I have these things here, these reading glasses. I don’t use those at all anymore. I can completely read my phone now with no reading glasses. And before, it was a blurry mess.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Also, by the way, everyone I know with kids, like, they’re. And I’ll be exaggerating a little bit, but their kids are getting glasses so young and having eye stuff so young.

JOE ROGAN: They’re staring at screens all the time. You know, one of the things that you’re supposed to do is if you’re staring at something, like, really close to your face all time, the time you should take breaks and look at things that are far away, because otherwise, I guess your cornea reshapes and, like, your eyes literally become more accustomed to trying to look at things closer. It just f*s your eyes up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right, Right.

JOE ROGAN: And then this. The light from the screen, that can’t be good.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I know. I try to do the blue light glasses as much as I can. The amount of glasses and lights I have, like, in my house right now looks like a f*ing chemistry studio. But yes, I got. So I do red light on my skin in and Because I was like, you know, look, the Botox thing is like, TV executive. Ages ago, when I was truly, like, in my 20s, the way they sell you on Botox is they say it’s preventative, and you go, “oh, yeah, okay,” in your 20s.

I was like, 27. I was like, making a TV show, a couple TV shows. And they were like, “well, she looks tired.” I’m like, yeah, because I’m tired. Because you keep sending me notes at 2 in the morning to take out all the good jokes. Like, of course I’m tired. And so. So they say to do it so that you don’t get wrinkles later. And then you’re like, okay, well, now I’m 35. Why am I still getting it? Shouldn’t I enjoy the prevention now?

It just sort of becomes a do this forever. And I was like, I don’t even know who I’m doing this for at this point. I just was like, I guess especially.

JOE ROGAN: If you just want to be a comic and you don’t want to be cast in TV roles anymore.

The Brotox Phenomenon

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Even in TV roles, you can’t act if you don’t have expression on your face. That’s the whole thing. You know, we’ve all seen actors where we’re like, you just see one teardrop go down.

JOE ROGAN: Yo, I’m right here.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah. You know Brotox.

JOE ROGAN: The rise of Brotox is weird. I shouldn’t, but I do. I judge men very badly when I think they have Botox. When I see a man’s face doesn’t move, I’m like, I am not listening to anything coming out of your mouth.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Especially when it’s hot on a guy. Why not enjoy the benefit of age looking good on a man?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, because a certain amount of age, they’re like, “Oh, my God, I’m so old.” When you get to, like, that Stallone age, like, he was at the White House receiving some award. You know, there’s a bunch of guys that went to the White House and got awards. Did you ever see that?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Sorry. Awards are so silly. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You stand there and they put it around your neck. You’re like, “Yep, I deserve this.” But there’s Stallone. Is there? And it looks so crazy, like he used to be my canary in a coal mine. Because I’m like, wow, you could be 70 and be jacked.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: This is awesome, because, like, he kept it together for a long time. Like, he was in great shape for a long time, but now he looks like he’s just doing a bunch of stuff, I think. Look at him there. That’s crazy. First of all, that hairline is crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: This whole lineup of people is batshit. Can you print this out so I can just put it in my bathroom to just Cappuccino?

JOE ROGAN: Who’s the guy in the law?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: We should know the answer. Is that Gene Simmons?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: The woman.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, no. Gene Simmons there.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is this a trans?

JOE ROGAN: The trans salone. 79 years old.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Let me see. Well, that was his wife.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but it’s just like, so who’s there? Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: What was?

JOE ROGAN: And Stallone. And who’s the guy in the back?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Are these the Benjamin Buttonholes awards? Like, what is the actual award?

JOE ROGAN: Who’s the guy in the far right? It doesn’t say Michael Crawford, whoever that is. I’m sure he’s been in a bunch of stuff I enjoyed. I don’t know his name.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like entertainers?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Okay, so they all got a big award, but it’s just the way Stallone looked. It was like, what are you doing there?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It looks like a facelift.

JOE ROGAN: Is it Trump Kennedy Center?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, oh, yeah, sure.

JOE ROGAN: So he was acknowledging his 80s heroes with awards. I used to like you in the 80s.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But by the way, just ask them to go to dinner. Like, how insecure that you have to, like, give an award. Like, there was, was it Cosby that Harvard, like, gave him a fake award just to see if he would show up? And he showed up.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, really?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, how narcissists will just show up to accept, like, greatest comedy person of ever. And he, like, showed up and accepted it, and they didn’t. And they had to, like, get him from the airport. They were like, this was like a joke.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Are you sure, Jamie? I don’t know anything about that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Go to Blue Sky. They like the Hasty Pudding or whatever Harvard’s comedy troupe is.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, they did it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Did, like, a prank where they’ll give celebrities awards just to see if they show up.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. And Cosby showed up.

The Cosby Award Prank

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. And Cosby showed up.

JOE ROGAN: That’s actually funny. Conan and his friend. Okay, Conan O’Brien, convinced Cosby that he was awarded fake the Harvard Lampoons Lifetime Achievement in Comedy to be presented at Harvard. Bill Cosby actually flew all the way in a private plane to be picked up by Conan in his parents station wagon. A modified bowling trophy was given as an award. Oh, boy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, he showed up to get it.

JOE ROGAN: That’s hilarious.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Imagine.

JOE ROGAN: That is hilarious.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Imagine.

JOE ROGAN: So that was Conan when he was in Harvard.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, it’s so funny. There’s so many funny writers came out of Harvard.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Out of Harvard?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Lampoon.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Kind of crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s kind of crazy. I mean, it’s interesting because they’ve, you know, Nazis, like, talk about TV Dorkery. But I know a lot of them were friends with a lot of them. But, like, there was a little bit of, like, an elitism. I think it’s part of what made TV start becoming kind of irrelevant is these sort of, like, elite writers from Harvard who don’t necessarily have a, you know, I think that the best comedy, everyone can see themselves in it, or it’s about something that we can all kind of relate to on some level.

That’s all these sort of kids going to a, you know, $70,000 a year elite school making shows like the Office and show, you know, these comedies that, you know, look like it’s, it’s, a lot of my friends worked on the Office. I love you guys. Soon get me in trouble. But it is kind of like making fun of poor people. It’s like, wouldn’t it be funny if people, like, worked at a paper mill and, like, went to Chili’s? Like, what a bunch of losers. My family members, like, go to Chili’s.

JOE ROGAN: That is real photo. That’s Conan right there. He was 19 when this happened.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, they had to, like, scramble to pick him up.

JOE ROGAN: That’s actually amazing. On a podcast. That’s actually amazing that he did that. That’s actually amazing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, that is, I love the little things where when you find out someone was a sociopathic monster, that you’re like, we should have known. Even though it had nothing to do with drugging women, like, the fact that he showed up to receive this award, like.

JOE ROGAN: Well, actually, the Harvard Lampoon is, like, a famous comedy thing, so it would make sense that they would give him an award.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s true. That’s true.

JOE ROGAN: And before he was a monster, he what? I mean, like, you look at that image there. That’s a black and white image. So Conan was 19. Conan’s got to be in his late 50s, right? How old is Conan now? Yes. This is in 85. Okay, so he was very respected back then. Yeah, like, Bill Cosby was the man.

The Cosby Show’s Disturbing Details

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Bill Cosby. Look, that show. I mean, when I tell you, like, my top five shows, it’s Cosby. You know, Martin Married With Children was really big.

JOE ROGAN: Can you even get Cosby anymore? Have they hid that?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Maybe not even. Because no one thought it was weird that he was a gynecologist that worked out of his basement.

JOE ROGAN: Like, how about that one episode where he had a secret barbecue sauce that made everybody horny?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: No, but, but no. Remember? Oh, f* you.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Who.

JOE ROGAN: Who greenlit that? You’re going to drug people.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Cliff Huxtable would walk up the stairs from his basement, take off plastic gloves.

JOE ROGAN: Oh. Because he was just touching pussies that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Would have just been inside a woman.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, my God. Presumably he would just be like, yeah, like.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like whatever he was doing. And then be like, “Anyway, so what’s for dinner?” And you’re like, “Wait, hold on.”

JOE ROGAN: That’s nuts. I didn’t know that. I never watched that show.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He was a gynecologist, and he worked.

JOE ROGAN: I didn’t even know he was a gynecologist out of his head. Oh, my God. That’s crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He would deliver babies, but that’s crazy. Yeah, I always thought that was wild.

JOE ROGAN: So crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He’d take the plastic gloves off at the top of the stairs. Like.

JOE ROGAN: I was dating a girl once back in the day, and she told me that her gynecologist hit on her, and she said she was so creeped out, her gynecologist called her up at home and asked her out on a date. And she was like, “What?” Because he got a chance to take a look at that thing. That thing looked pretty good.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I mean, it’s so crazy.

JOE ROGAN: Your gynecologist asks you on a day and you’re at home, and this is back, by the way. Like, when? I don’t, I guess they had caller ID in the 80s. So this would be after they had caller ID. Like, you probably think the doctor’s calling you up. Cause, like, by the way, didn’t we.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Just go on one?

JOE ROGAN: Just figured me.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. What was that? Hold on. What’s your definition of a date? That’s what that was.

JOE ROGAN: I thought we were a thing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: We’re together.

JOE ROGAN: You see my pussy and my ahole.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You’ve seen.

JOE ROGAN: I’ve been in the stirrups.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You fingered me and have all my money. Like, Jesus Christ. That is, I mean, it is interesting that today for a guy to become a gynecologist. I know. It was like, the only way, you know, only men could be back in the day. But now for a guy to be like, “I’m in med school to be a gynecologist.”

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Everybody’s like, “What?”

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Huh?

JOE ROGAN: Right? Like, if I was a woman, I would never go to a male gynecologist.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, good.

JOE ROGAN: That’s crazy. Just the idea if he’s heterosexual and he’s staring at your cooter and thinking about sliding up in there or the opposite.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Or if he, like, doesn’t care, you’re like, “Why are you not looking?” Yeah, why’d you put gloves on?

JOE ROGAN: Look at that thing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, look at it shine.

JOE ROGAN: I put glitter on it just for you.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Do you remember that? No, but butt.

JOE ROGAN: Glitter Butt glitter. For real?

Glitter Butt and Bizarre Beauty Trends

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: No. Remember butt? Crystal, remember? Okay. Be dazzling, pussy. Be dazzling.

JOE ROGAN: No way.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yes. This was a thing.

JOE ROGAN: Did that get, give you cancer, too, like baby powder.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Does that was a thing? Definitely something. But yeah, it was. There was. I’m just always fascinated by, like, conflating, like, feminism with just, like, just, what are we doing? Bedazzling our pussies? Like, we’re not, like, breathing it all like, we’re.

JOE ROGAN: Joe wasn’t off on something.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Okay. Okay.

JOE ROGAN: Is this William Osaka glitter butt, the hot new trend for summer? Glitter butt. That’s so ridiculous. Like, “Don’t look at me. My butt.” But look, it’s glittery. That’s hilarious.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Glitter butt.

JOE ROGAN: There’s also the butt plug thing. So where are these people wearing these glitter pants? I mean, it’s not even pants. That was another thing that hoes would do back in the day. Remember? They would just paint their tits and you can kind of go out in public with paint on your tits. Like on New Year’s Eve and stuff like that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yes. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And people go, “Oh, you’re topless.” No, get paint on your head.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And then it was like, “Why are you looking?” It’s like, what?

JOE ROGAN: Okay, these girls have glitter all over their pants. But the way, how toxic is that sh?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Hold on. Go. That’s just, hold on.

JOE ROGAN: So we talked about the Wizard of Oz and that poor dude who had to play the Tin Man. That guy got up by that paint.

The Wizard of Oz and Body Odor

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So did the woman that was the witch, she got her face caught on fire.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, it caught on fire.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Which, by the way, now we pay dermatologists to set our faces on fire. But back then, that was accidental.

JOE ROGAN: It was a layer of skin off.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: She can look young again. Got to get her that young.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Was it, what was it asbestos or what was…

JOE ROGAN: Well, she had green paint on her face all day long.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But in Tin Man, it was…

JOE ROGAN: It was aluminum, I think.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Aluminum. That’s correct.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Which we put in deodorant. Fine. Not the kind you use.

JOE ROGAN: I use Dr. Squatch. It’s natural. Yeah, works too. That shit lasts all day long. Dr. Squatch is aluminum.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Also, if I stink that…

JOE ROGAN: Oh, no, you don’t want to smell me.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, really?

JOE ROGAN: No, no, no. I mean, when I don’t have, when I don’t have deodorant on and I work out and hang out all day and I’ll smell myself and get disgusted. I’ll smell myself and gag.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’ll do wipes. I’ll just wipe it, you know?

JOE ROGAN: You don’t want to smell that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s good.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t want to get in there.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But we’re not… I don’t… I just, this whole thing where we all have to smell like a moonlit path.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but you don’t want to smell like a monkey in the zoo. That’s what I smell like.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I mean, I don’t know. It’s kind of a power move, I guess. You know how they say…

JOE ROGAN: If you have sex with your wife, she’s plugging her…

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: No.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You know what? I’m sorry. I’m sorry to your wife. I love her too much to encourage this.

JOE ROGAN: It’s like you deal with my breath. What? Brush your f*ing teeth? Are you crazy?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But isn’t there something about smelly… if someone smells bad like your wife, your BO probably smells good to her. Huberman actually talked about this when he was on my podcast back in the day about, if someone doesn’t smell good to you, it means you’re probably related.

JOE ROGAN: I think you need to talk to her. She would probably correct you.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, I can.

JOE ROGAN: I f*ing smell gross. I eat mostly meat.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Because you’re always in ketosis. Yeah, that’s different.

JOE ROGAN: Rotten meat coming out of my pores and ammonia from sweat.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But if someone’s morning breath smells bad to you and they just, you know…

JOE ROGAN: Everybody’s morning breath smells bad.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, that’s true.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. But if you got to be really horny to make out with someone in the morning, full on make… you got it. That’s ultimate “I don’t give a f*.”

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: What your breath smells like. Come here. That’s crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Just…

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Flip me over like an adult.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, don’t… It’s like, if you don’t care about yeast infections, who cares about that smell? Let’s go. Let’s f*ing go.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There is something sick about once you birth a child. You’re so tapped into this feral… it’s just so wild that I don’t even think about morning breath anymore.

JOE ROGAN: It’s just like, well, you’re cleaning diapers all the time. It’s like when I was on Fear Factor, I didn’t even flinch if someone threw up in front of me. I’d seen so many people throw up. One time my wife threw up in her car. And this is how I am immune to throw up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Some people puke if they see…

JOE ROGAN: Because of all my years on Fear Factor, I’m completely immune. When I was a kid, if you threw up in the hallway in high school, I’d be like, bleh.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Which there’s a biological basis for that. We probably ate the same thing in the tribe.

JOE ROGAN: Exactly. That got wiped out of me on Fear Factor 100%. She was coming home from the gym and she drank wheatgrass juice and she f*ing threw up in her center console.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yep, I’m done.

JOE ROGAN: And she was crying. She was like, “I can’t wait. No, I can’t even clean it. So disgusting.” I’ll clean it. I don’t give a f*. I cleaned the whole thing. I got in there with towels. I cleaned her puke out. It didn’t even make me flinch. I’d seen so many people puke. I’ve seen people puke for days and days.

I mean, I did 148 episodes, so at least 130 of those times people had to eat something that made them throw up. So I saw multiple people. There’s six contestants. I saw so many people gag. And I had to be interviewing them while they were gagging, sometimes while they were throwing up in a dumpster, I’d be talking to them.

Fear Factor and Competition

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That was such a big deal, that show.

JOE ROGAN: That’s so ridiculous. That was a big deal.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Big deal.

JOE ROGAN: You know, I took that show because I thought it was going to be canceled. I thought, I’m going to get some jokes out of this. They’re going to sic dogs on people.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But you underestimated our deep desire for schadenfreude. Watching other people be scared and humiliated. The Coliseum, basically.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it was also… I underestimated the entertainment value of the competition. Because it was competition. The grossness was great. It was definitely fun to watch. But there was also real, significant competition. Yeah, there were some great moments.

This is one moment with his mother, and her daughter beat this father and his son. And the father and son were assholes. They were just… the dad was a dick. “This is how you get ahead in this world. You be a f*ing dick.” And they were talking crazy shit.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s it.

JOE ROGAN: And then the kid fumbled and fed things up, and the dad fed things up. And the whole crew was crying. Everybody was so happy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, I’m… I cried. I’m fascinated.

JOE ROGAN: I’ll cry if I saw it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I just sent Andrew Schulz a clip that I’ll cry if I talk about because he was posting something about a daughter asking her… a gymnast, who… the daughter was getting attached and wouldn’t let her go to the routine. So she did it with her daughter. And there’s this…

JOE ROGAN: Who?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There’s this video of this girl. I think it’s in Brazil. She’s doing a cooking competition. And, you know, there’s timed cooking competitions, and she can’t open a jar, and her dad is in the audience, and she runs and gives it to her dad, and her dad just opens it, and it’s… gives me goosebumps every time. But Dad’s man. But that shit just kills me. That… oh, God, this kills me.

JOE ROGAN: This is how she runs.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: She can’t get it open.

JOE ROGAN: Why do they make jars so f*ing hard to open, by the way, if your hands…

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s her dad. Look at her dad. Oh, God. Oh, God.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, no. So this is costing all this time. And he’s freaking out. Oh, Jesus Christ.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, God. Oh, God.

JOE ROGAN: That’s cool that you can do that, though.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Because it’s ridiculous that you can’t. Opening a jar.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, you got to hit it on the side of a thing.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Or if you just clank it on something. But it’s… I think he posted something about, you know, when runners don’t finish the race and the dad comes out and helps him cross the finish line or something. Oh, gosh, I love shit like that so much, but I can’t remember where we were on this. Now I’m just going to sob.

JOE ROGAN: Competition. Fear Factor.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Disgusting.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It turned out to be fun.

Football and Emotional Moments

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s what it is. I think I’m fascinated by… and I’m a football dork. I know you’re not the biggest football fan, even though you can go to some games.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I like it. Now I get it. I watched the Texas A&M versus the UT game. Holy shit.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Incredible. And I think that what you’re going for is… it’s almost like this gambling addiction in a way, because it’s like, even when your team loses, you’re all losing together and it’s… you know, you get to feel like you’re a part of something. There’s so much reptilian sort of hardwiring at play.

But for me, it’s about these goosebumps moments that you can’t have every game that would take the value out of them. This past season, when… have you been… I don’t know if you’re a football guy, Jamie, but Philip Rivers coming back to the Colts and him coming out of retirement. Two major players came out of retirement this year that were coaching. They were done coaching their kids’ Little League in high school. Philip Rivers was just coaching, you know what, 45, 44, 45 years old.

JOE ROGAN: There’s a fun caveat with that, too. But tell me, he’s got so many kids.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: 10, right?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. He was about to hit retirement. His five years, you have to wait to go to the Hall of Fame. But now he just re-upped his NFL health insurance, so now he gets coverage for… I mean, he’s rich as shit. He doesn’t really need it. But just a little caveat of, he gets coverage for life.

Here’s what I realized, and I realized this at the UT game. When you’re a fan of football, you get big moments many times. If you’re a fan of a fight, you get the fight, and then one guy wins and one guy gets horribly destroyed. Sometimes your guy gets flatlined and you’re watching your guy laid out with his toes curled, his legs stiff, his arms up in the air. He’s completely unconscious. And the other guy is on the cage like this.

And then the medical people are taking care of your guy and you’re like, “Oh, f*.” Yeah. It’s the worst when you see families and children see their dad get knocked out.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: No, no, no. That’s so hard.

JOE ROGAN: No, that’s so hard. When you see wives crying and then the camera turns to them. You see them there. Oh, no. It’s just football’s a different thing. You know, when someone throws the ball and then the person catches it and goes across the line and you see 100,000…

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. That’s it. That’s it. That’s it. And so much is the type of fan base, you know, but the…

JOE ROGAN: People in the audience feel better.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: It’s like they are… they’re celebrating in a different way. Because when a fighter wins, it’s an individual. But when a team wins, it’s your team.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right, that’s right.

JOE ROGAN: It’s different.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And you can make the argument on some level that, you know, not you’re part of it, but the energy you bring. When I went to the Rams game, I’m an Eagles fan and Rams game, all green. All Eagles fans coming for away games. Imagine being the Eagles and looking out at all green in another city.

Also, is it Matt Prady, I think is his last name, is a kicker for… was it the Bills? Both of the kickers got injured and they didn’t have a kicker and they’re like, imagine getting the call. You’re coaching your middle school son’s, whatever, Little League football, and you get the call like, “We need you.” Really? It’s like, yeah, he goes in and he kicks the winning field goal. This was in September, I want to say. I love shit like that so much.

JOE ROGAN: That’s awesome.

Floyd Mayweather’s Training Methods

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You know, when you also just moments like what Saquon Barkley did last year, like jumping backwards over. Like there’s a video of his teammates watching him do it, going, f*. Like, it’s just. I love watching the interplay between the team members too. It’s like comics. It’s like, you know, get it.

JOE ROGAN: I didn’t like it before, but I get it way more now. I get it way more because for me, it’s like a watered down version of fighting. I’m like, why don’t we just fight? But now I get it. It’s not that you’re. As an audience member, it’s better because you’re like a part of the game. Like, we are scoring. It’s a really. It’s a stupid thing to say. We. You never say we won that fight.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. That’s right. Also. But I think the we of it also happens to, you know, the reason I think as live performers, when you see a team like the Eagles do so, so well, and then this last time they played the Rams just fall apart, you’re like, what?

Just per what we were talking about with Fear Factor and what you’re capable of when you’re on TV, when you’ve been insulted, when your ego’s been. When you’re in front of your kid. I’m not going to eat a live rat, but if my kid is watching and someone just insulted my kid, it’s. I’m a different person. You know what I’m saying? I will fing f this rat in the ass. You know, whatever I need to do or if money’s involved. I’m obsessed with sort of like the, you know, the most dangerous team to me is always the one that hasn’t won any games.

JOE ROGAN: That’s. The most dangerous fighter is the one that needs money.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. That’s right. And I’m just fascinated. Didn’t Floyd Mayweather used to practice by doing, like, live Facebook lives with, like, girls around to try to.

JOE ROGAN: Did he really?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Huh. I think we do, like, Facebook lives.

JOE ROGAN: Well, he definitely did that to show off, too. He was so good. Yeah, he was so good. But he. He would do crazy things. Like, they would have rounds that would go on for 10 minutes. He would, you know, he would have, like. What would he call it, like, the Dog Pound. He like a name for it. We’d bring a bunch of guys in there and they would just box and they wouldn’t have any rounds. They would just box. So, like, you know, it’s sink or swim. You got no rounds.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You’re just in there, but no one’s going to tell you to stop.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Why?

JOE ROGAN: This is crazy. It’s crazy. But he also. He also was a master at boxing people and talking shit to them. So it was. I’m sorry about my voice, but it was a part of, like, the whole thing of it was that you were watching all this chaos and then you’re dealing with the psychological aspect of each guy talking shit to each other.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And it’s also like, that’s it.

JOE ROGAN: The Doghouse refers to his gym’s notoriously grueling sparring sessions known for intense, no rules fighting until someone quits. Designed to push boxers to their absolute limits. I mean, it’s not a mystery why he’s one of the absolute greatest.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Still someone to quit.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. By the way, this guy’s had multiple hand surgeries, so he couldn’t really even like blast on guys like he used to when he was younger. You know, when he was younger, they called him Pretty Boy Floyd. And so in the early days of his career, he was a knockout artist. He was f*ing people up.

But he doesn’t have big hands and so he was breaking his hands like multiple times. And so then he became Money Mayweather and just started boxing everybody’s face off. And like, if you go back and watch some of his early knockouts also, he wasn’t certainly facing the caliber of fighters he faced as a champion, but he’s the best ever at not getting hit. That guy’s been cracked maybe like three or four times in his entire professional career, which is wild.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And is his ability to not get hit, is that from outworking everyone or something genetic? Is there some.

The Mayweather Boxing Legacy

JOE ROGAN: It’s a whole bunch of things that came together. So one of them, his dad. Jesus Christ. His dad was Floyd Mayweather Sr. Okay. His dad fought Sugar Ray Leonard and gave him a hell of a fight. His uncle was Roger Mayweather. Roger Mayweather, multiple time world champion, the Black Mamba.

So he grew up in a gym with Jeff Mayweather and these guys were all killers and they were boxing scientists, they knew everything about boxing. It’s a famous quote that people always use, Roger Mayweather, see if he could find it where he’s like, most people don’t know shit about boxing. And everybody who knows anything about boxing. And by the way, I’m not a boxing expert. I’m like a fan compared to the regular person. I know more than most people.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Hey, Rhonda, he’s a fan.

JOE ROGAN: Most people don’t know shit about boxing. Let’s see if you can get him. Say it, because it’s just, it’s the way he says it. Don’t know shit about boxing. And it’s 100% accurate. It’s 100% accurate.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is boxing like, you’re not to like, compliment, like what we do in any. This might sound insulting to athletes, but like, is it similar in a way to comedy in that there’s certain things like you can’t really teach, like you have to find your thing.

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s certainly like genetic advantages that are huge. They’re almost insurmountable. There’s some people that have, like, speed. Like, Roy Jones Jr. was the best example of that. He had speed that was otherworldly. Like, no one had seen anything like that.

But. And he had a style that no one else had. Roy Jones. So the most important punch in boxing. If you ask any boxing trainer, they’ll say, the jab. The jab is what establishes distance. The jab is what you could score with the right hands, try to knock him out. Left hooks, try to knock him out, uppercut. But the jab is the most important punch in boxing.

Roy Jones rarely threw jabs. He would throw left hooks. His left hook was so fast that he would throw a leaping left hook and it would hit you as fast or fast than another person’s jab. And you had to calibrate for that. When you’re fighting him, like, all of a sudden there’s a guy who can do things that are literally superhuman. Like, no one can move like him. He has a left bicep that’s like twice the size of his right bicep from throwing left hooks.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And is this like. Like how Michael Phelps has abnormally long arms or something? Right.

Roy Jones Jr.: A Boxing Phenomenon

JOE ROGAN: No, he developed that left bicep. That’s why his right bicep is small. His right bicep is normal sized. His left bicep is f*ing normal. So get the photo.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Whoa, whoa, whoa, bro.

JOE ROGAN: Let me tell you something. Roy Jones in his prime was a freak of nature.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And do you try to go like, okay, you know, I’m just going to.

JOE ROGAN: Look at his build. Look at that left hook.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Insane, dude.

JOE ROGAN: No, he was a freak. And also extremely intelligent. Crafty, set you up, knew what to do to get you to move this way, then you’re moving that way and. And then he’s doing things you can’t do. So you don’t anticipate that someone’s going to be able to leap in from there and catch you with an uppercut. You don’t even understand how it happened.

He’s the only guy in the history of, I believe, CompuBox. It might still be the case. And it was in this fight, the Vinny Pazienza fight, where, look at that. Put his hands behind his back and knocked the guy out. One of the only fights in the history of the sport where the opponent landed zero punches. That’s the stoppage of Vinny Pazino. He was a freak.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Wait, how did that even happen?

JOE ROGAN: He hit him with the left hook to the body. He was so fast, he would hit yeah, he was so good. All of his fights were essentially executions. He went from 168. He won the world title at 168, went up to light heavyweight, won the world title at light heavyweight, went up to heavyweight, won the world title at heavyweight. He was a f*ing middleweight in the Olympics.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That looks like. Remember the video of Putin doing, like, kung fu or taekwondo and they’re pretending to fall? That’s what this looks like.

JOE ROGAN: No, Roy was so.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: This is nuts.

JOE ROGAN: He was so fast, and he was so hard to hit.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, yeah, Exactly.

JOE ROGAN: There’s a 1, 2. He hits this guy with that. I sent a friend of mine who’s a boxing fan the other day. I’m like, look at the speed of this 1, 2. He hit this guy with a counter right hand. Like a counter one, two, right hand. It was freakish. It didn’t even make sense. There’s the left. Left hook. That left hook. Look at that. That left hook. That left hook’s crazy. Look at him. Like, what the.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He just went down.

JOE ROGAN: Watch that left hook again. He’s trying to get up, and he’s face planting. And that’s Montel Griffin, who was a world champion. Look at that left hook. Good Lord.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He even was like, good Lord, Lort.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, there was. You know, there’s guys that are amazing, and then there’s Roy Jones. Roy Jones was. He was a freak. I mean, it was. It was like nothing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, my gosh.

JOE ROGAN: It was all his fights. Look at that right hand of the body. Virgil Hill dropped. He knocked him out with a right hand to the. By the way, to the left side of his body. That’s not even where your liver is. Your liver’s over here. Guys get dropped all the time with a left hook to the body. He hit him with a right hook to the body and stopped him.

The Evolution of Fighting and Comedy

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I always get obsessed with, like, as. Like, as comedians. The more comedy there is and has been, the more original we have to be. You know, I’m always fascinated by, like, you know, you know, fighting or sports. Like, you know, football, for example. Like, you know, Gobert, the Eagles doing the tush push. It’s like everyone had to start studying that.

And this thing that worked, now everyone knows you do it. So, you know, it’s fascinating to me when a fighter’s so good at one thing, everyone starts learning to defend that. And then, you know, because it used to be, like, you could just fight, and people saw the fight once and that was it.

JOE ROGAN: But, like, that’s where Roy had the advantage over everyone else. There was no Internet back when Roy was on top. So the thing about the Internet now is any kid with, you know, limited resources can study all the greatest boxers of all time.

So Mike Tyson, when he was young, one of the great advantages that he had was Jim Jacobs was his manager. And Jim Jacobs was a legitimate boxing historian who. He carried these tapes and old films of everyone. Jack Johnson, Harry Greb, he was watching Sandy Sadler, all these Willie Pep, all these, like, Rocky Marciano, Jack Johnson, all the great champions of history on film. So he’d study film footage all day. He would put these 32 millimeter or whatever it was, a 32 millimeter or 16. What are those things back then? 16. So the reel to reel. So you’d have to feed the tape and the thing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right, right, right.

Boxing History and Mike Tyson’s Advantage

JOE ROGAN: And he would sit there and watch everybody fight. So he had this massive advantage of seeing all these incredible fighters. Like, he. He mirrored his style a lot around a bunch of different ones. But one of them in particular was Jack Jackson Dempsey, who was, like, one of the most. I mean, I think Dempsey was the champion. And I want to. I’m trying to figure out what year this was where Jack Dempsey was the heavyweight champion.

He was like, it was a savage time. I think he was a hobo at one time in his life. Like, it’s a savage time, and he was a savage man. And he was annihilating people. And he wasn’t very big either. From 1919 to 1926, what did he wear? What did Jack Dempsey weigh when he was fighting? Okay, I’m going to guess. 180 pounds. 187. 187. He was the heavyweight champion of the world. He weighed 187 pounds. That’s nuts. That’s 13 pounds less than me. He was the heavyweight champion of the world. That’s f*ing bananas.

And another one that’s even crazier is Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano, who was the heavyweight champion in the 50s, I believe, one of the only heavyweight champions to ever retire undefeated. He was 5, 10, and he weighed, I think, 185 pounds. And he killed everybody. He killed people. He hit them so hard that they would just go dead.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: His.

Rocky Marciano’s Legendary Power

JOE ROGAN: He would just shut them off and they would collapse. He was a murderous puncher. And he was a small guy, 184 pounds. When he won the title from Jersey Joe Walcott. Now Google or look up that fight.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: He was shorter and shorter.

JOE ROGAN: Look up that fight where the KO of Jersey Joe Walcott. You just have to see the punch he hits him with.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And this is before peptides and—

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, this is. He was eating spaghetti. This is a crazy Italian from Brockton, Massachusetts. But just see if you can find the KO, because the KO is—by the way, Jersey Joe Walcott is one of the all-time greats. I mean, he was a phenomenal boxer. This is a little later in his time, but he had had a long career, so he knocks him down with that right hand. But watch the KO though, after this. This is a second fight. Yeah, they must have fought twice, so find the second, the other one.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Whoa.

JOE ROGAN: This is—yeah, this is the one. Okay, watch. Watch how he KOs him. He hits him with that right. He had the craziest work ethic of maybe any heavyweight of all time. He would work out. He would run 10 miles in the morning. He would work out all day long. Sometimes he would spar 100 rounds for a fight each week. He was sparring constantly. And then he would swim after training five miles in a lake.

His cardio was just off the charts. And it was because he got tired once in a fight when he was an amateur, and he said, “I’ll never get tired again.” And so he just decided to outwork everybody. But you got to see the KO. I mean, it was a brutal fight. I mean, Jersey Joe Walcott gave as much as he got, but here it is right there. Watch that again. Back that up again. Watch this right hand mic drop.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Boom, mic drop.

JOE ROGAN: The power in that. It’s every ounce of his body. Watch how in slow motion, he creeps in. Look at the explosion. The extension of his back leg. See that? The extension of the back leg, the turn of the shoulder. The back gets into it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Look at his back. Oh, holy—

JOE ROGAN: Just boom, that’s over. I mean, and he’s done. And again, Jersey Joe Walcott was a legend. And then he hits him with the left hook on the way down. He was totally down. Oh, he’s dead.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Gone.

JOE ROGAN: It’s crazy how powerful that guy was.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Before all the things before plunge, all of it.

JOE ROGAN: No steroids, no nothing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Anger and having been molested eggs and—

JOE ROGAN: An immigrant from Italy.

The Courage of Italian Immigrants

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I was thinking about this the other day because I was in England, my brother lives there. And I was like, I believe his—

JOE ROGAN: Family is from Italy. I think he was a child of immigrants.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m obsessed with Italian immigrants because you go to Italy all the time. Imagine the people that were like, “Nah.” How beautiful, Italy. We pay to go. We pay to go to Italy to see that view for three days. And they’re like, “Ah, no, thanks. I’d rather maybe get leprosy on a boat for 10 weeks.”

JOE ROGAN: Well, I don’t know what life was like in the 1920s when my grandparents came over here, but it wasn’t good.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, nobody there was.

JOE ROGAN: A lot of them came over from Ireland, from Italy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Bad news.

JOE ROGAN: And they came over before YouTube. They just—someone drew them a picture. “This is what it’s like over there. You’re going to get a job.”

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Imagine when I look at what goes on in the comments section in America, so torn apart. I’m like, this wasn’t ever going to go any other way. Imagine I’m obsessed with just the ocean. Just imagine looking at the ocean in a boat and being like, “All right, I’ll get on that.”

JOE ROGAN: Right. With your kid.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Only the craziest people.

JOE ROGAN: Right? That’s why everyone in the East Coast is so insane. I always say that. The most violent, crazy people are on the East Coast. Why? Because all their grandparents came over on a boat.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: All their ancestors had toxoplasmosis or whatever it was. And we’re just like, “I’d rather—”

JOE ROGAN: Definitely at that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. I’d rather die and have frostbite and warm my frostbitten fingers in my wife’s carcass. Leprosy carcass. Then not be able to worship who I want or say what I want.

JOE ROGAN: There’s a lot of that, too. I mean, that’s what brought people over here initially. A lot of people came over for religious freedom, which is a crazy thought. But the Quakers—what were those f*ing people all about? Wasn’t that a big part of why they came over here? They were being persecuted in England.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Which is so weird because we go to England and pay to go in the church. I was waiting in line to go in an England church.

JOE ROGAN: I’m like, what was the deal with the Quakers? Are they a cult? Are they around anymore? Are there any Quakers?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Uncle Ben?

JOE ROGAN: Jamie says yes. Yeah, Uncle Ben.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is it a good—I think so. Did he make good?

JOE ROGAN: Right? I think so.

The Appeal of Amish Life

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I don’t know. I’ve been really into Amish, though. I’m in Amish core algorithm, where it’s men building barns in a day.

JOE ROGAN: Sexy, right?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Dude, it’s so hot. My porn is just watching men be useful and they’ll just build a barn and just—the Amish life. I feel like we’re all kind of trying to go like, “How do I get chickens? How do I self-sustain? How do I—”

JOE ROGAN: Some guys think it’s hot when women cook. Same reason, same thing. It’s sexy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Because they’re going to eat soon. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, well, no, because a woman can cook.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: A woman that’s really into feeding you. Yeah, that’s a good woman. A woman who wants to cook for you. She wants to cook for you. For a guy that’s hot.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: This whole thing of, “I’m not going to cook for my man.” It’s like, you get to eat, too. I mean, what are you going to eat?

JOE ROGAN: Well, you don’t have to cook for your man. I wouldn’t expect anyone to cook for me. I think that’s crazy. I know how to cook, but there’s something about somebody wanting to cook.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: It’s wanting to do it. It’s not doing it because it’s a chore that you’re making them do.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: It’s like, if somebody does something nice for you because they want to, it’s so much better than if you have to ask them and they don’t want to do it, but they concede to doing it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You know?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: No, I love that. Also, I want to know what’s going in your body.

The Value of Hard Work

JOE ROGAN: Well, it used to be a valuable trait for someone to be building something. A guy who could go out there and do something with his hands. Oh, that is a man that can provide a shelter and if the roof breaks, he can fix it. This is a good—also, he can do hard sh. He’s a guy who’s got endurance. He’s durable. He’s not going to fall apart. “This job is too hard.”

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There was a list of jobs that were more likely to be replaced by AI and less likely. And for some reason, less likely was roofers, which I thought was interesting.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think they’re right. They’re going to have robots that can do a lot of stuff. Yeah, for sure. They’ll have a roofing robot. That’s not that difficult, a roofing robot.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Cosby will just start using a roofing robot.

JOE ROGAN: You’re going to miss the value of a really f*ing hard job. Because there’s a value in a really hard job. And I know a lot of kids avoid hard—and you shouldn’t do a hard job for your whole life, but there’s a real value in a hard job.

And I had a job—well, I’ve had a bunch of construction jobs when I was a kid because my stepdad’s an architect. So I worked on a lot of construction sites. But I also had a very good friend, Jimmy Lawless. Shout out to Jimmy. And when I was a kid, I worked with him. He was a year older than me and he’d already graduated. He was a carpenter’s apprentice at the time. I believe he might have actually been a carpenter.

And I just needed a job. And I think I was probably 18 or 19 and I got a job working on this construction site. We were building a wheelchair ramp for a Knights of Columbus hall. And I had to carry cement and pressure treated lumber all day. That was the job. I had terrible nutrition. I would eat sub sandwiches and drink a Coca-Cola and you’re out there in the sun all day long, you’re not hydrated. I was always dehydrated and I was carrying cement and pressure treated lumber all day, which is a gross lumber that they have to soak in horrible chemicals.

Yeah. Pressure treated lumber. You would get these splinters and they would get infected. It was nasty. You’re dealing with whatever the f*ing chemical that they treat that thing with.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, the radioactive shiny skin.

JOE ROGAN: And it’s August, so you’re sweating. So you’re sweating crazy. This sh is getting in your pores. You’re carrying bags of cement, you’re breathing cement dust all day long. And by two weeks I quit. And when I did quit, I was like, “Okay, now I know that if I don’t get my sh together and figure something out in life that that could be the best paying job that I can get.”

Whatever I got—I mean, it probably wasn’t even 20 bucks an hour. I don’t remember what you got paid.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And if I get injured, I don’t have health insurance and that’s just my body.

JOE ROGAN: And I was clearly handling something that was toxic. Yeah, all day long. What is in pressure treated lumber? What do they use? It’s supposed to be left outside to stop insects and—right. That’s what it does. Termites can’t eat—

Modern Workplace Dangers

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I have a weird question though. F*ing poison—is today’s version of a poisonous, dangerous job like that sitting at a desk, looking at a computer all day?

JOE ROGAN: Well, it very well could be right. And don’t they say that LED lights are actually not good for you now?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But just sitting at a desk that is—you don’t have a standing desk, you don’t have one of these whatever Civians or whatever I’m sitting on. And you’re sending emails all day. Is that—

JOE ROGAN: It’s definitely bad for your back. It’s tightened my lower back considerably. I think a big part of it is sitting like this all the time. So I’m super conscious about it now, where I do a lot more lower back exercises than I ever used to do before.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But you—I got that machine you told me to get where you lift your back.

JOE ROGAN: Reverse hyper. That’s right, yeah. Louis Simmons, who was a legend in powerlifting, he invented that because he crushed his discs. And they told him that he had to get his discs fused. And he said, “Well, if I crushed them, can’t I separate them?” And they’re like, “No, it can’t be done.” He’s like, “I’ll figure it out.”

So he made a machine and you climb on this machine and he realized that in the descending, you’re actually decompressing your back, and in the ascending, you’re strengthening all the muscles around your back. It’s a f*ing genius piece of equipment.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: No.

JOE ROGAN: He was one of the rare people that I traveled to do a podcast with.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, cool. Yeah, I got—that’s the main machine I kind of have.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the sh.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

Belt Squats and Workout Equipment

JOE ROGAN: He’s also got a belt squat that he gave us before he passed. And that machine’s awesome too. You put a belt around your waist and then the cable goes down in between your legs and you’re standing on a platform and there’s the stack of weights behind you. So instead of doing squats, which are one of the best exercises of all time. But the problem with squats is if you’re squatting heavy, you’ve got all that weight on your back.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Okay.

JOE ROGAN: It’s all your. If you’ve got like 400 pounds, you’re squatting. If you’re a beast and you’re f*ing, you’ve got 400 pounds trying to crush all your discs. And the only thing that’s keeping that from happening is your strength. All your core muscles and your spine muscles. But you’re compressing everything with that weight with a belt. You’re not.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, is on your hips and all the weight is down there. There it is. So that’s me using it at his place. And then he gave us.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s a sit down squat machine. Bullshit. No, these ones. No, I do that.

JOE ROGAN: No, no, not at all. No, that’s a leg press. That’s a very, very good machine.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s what I do. I just don’t want to. My knees are.

JOE ROGAN: The problem with that is. You ever see what happens when people lock their legs out and it bends backwards? Oh, yeah. What do you mean?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Don’t. Jamie, don’t.

JOE ROGAN: Or Jamie, pull that up. Pull that up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m calling a.

JOE ROGAN: People need to know. You need to know that this can happen, because I saw it happen to a lady once in one of these videos that looked like she never worked out.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I saw the one with the guy sphincter came out, and I.

JOE ROGAN: Without us getting in, I was getting ready to see what.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I was in the sphincter algorithm. I don’t want to get in the knee snap algorithm.

JOE ROGAN: Well, as a person who’s had three.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Knee surgeries, I have all been slaughters in my left knee, so I just have to like. And when you squat, are your knees supposed to go over your toes or not?

JOE ROGAN: I do. You 100%.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Thank you.

JOE ROGAN: You 100% can, especially if you could build up to it. I do knees over toe stuff.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: I had that guy, knees over toes guy on the podcast. He’s amazing. I follow, and everybody should follow it. He’s 100% right. He’s one. I mean, I will tell you 100%. There’s no room for error. That guy’s right. He has an amazing protocol for strengthening all the muscles around your knees. I followed it. It has radically changed the progression of the injury and made my leg stronger than it was before the injury.

Weighted Vests and Daily Training

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. I also do weighted vests. Kind of all day I’ve worked. It’s only like 30 pounds what I do because.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, that’s the Gary Breck move.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, is it?

JOE ROGAN: 30 pounds is a lot. You’re carrying a 30 pound weight vest.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I have a 30 and I have a 15. So I realized that with my kid, I’m bending over so much and picking him up so much. I was like, I could probably, like, kind of work out all day if I really just, like, wear weighted vests.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a lot of weight to wear.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s gotten taken from me at TSA a couple times, but I’ll just get it. That’s hilarious.

JOE ROGAN: They take it if it’s the plan. You’re like jihad. Just kidding, Just kidding.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m like, you think that’s the worst thing in my bag. Three off from the f*ing gun I have in my purse.

JOE ROGAN: Just have, like, a digital recorder in your pocket. It looks like you’re ready to press a button. Put the vest back in the suitcase, ma’am.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s just like, anthrax chill. But, yeah, they take it every now and then, but I kind of have just try to wear it, like, kind of all the time. And then I’ll do. Whenever I’m writing, like, if I am sitting down, I’m going, like, I have to make sure that this sitting down, which is so bad for me. There’s something else happening.

So Huberman gave me the. It’s called. It’s a red light, but it’s like sauna space or. It’s just a bulb. One big red light bulb that’s the same as the, like, the Joovv or something. That’s like a bunch of little red lights.

Red Light Therapy Benefits

JOE ROGAN: Was if. Is it working for you? It must be. Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, I think so.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t. I’m not a red light expert, but I bought Gary Brecker’s machine.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, the full body guy.

JOE ROGAN: Big, giant, crazy body machine. The shit.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Can you go in there and just, like, fall asleep or something?

JOE ROGAN: Fall asleep. But I’m always tired. I’m always doing too much. But when I get in there, it’s 20 minutes. I just lay there for 20 minutes. And 100% it’s helping with my eyesight.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But you keep your eyes open. You don’t put the glass. Sometimes they give you, like, glasses.

JOE ROGAN: F your glasses. Yeah, f your glasses. I’m here to tell you I’m living proof. Unless somehow or another my eyes are getting damaged and I don’t realize it. How are they getting better? Then? Why is my vision better?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, that’s the other thing with all the.

JOE ROGAN: Why does it not bother me at all? It doesn’t seem that strange, strong when it’s in my eyes. It’s not like I’m like, oh, my God, I can’t look at it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: If it was that bad to look at, wouldn’t it be hard to look at? Like, the sun is hard to look at because it’s hard to look at.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: You know, bright lights were like, Jesus. Yeah, it’s hard to look at. This is not hard to look at at all.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But it’s also, like, with a lot.

JOE ROGAN: Of my meathead logic, it don’t hurt.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Don’t worry. Meathead logic is like. It’s. We’re. We. We’re so suspicious of, like, simplicity, which, like. Does it work for you? Yes. Then it works, works. You know what I mean?

JOE ROGAN: If it works, it works. That shit works.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Because we’re all like.

JOE ROGAN: But there’s a ton of science behind red light therapy, right? Including like what frequency it’s at. Because this one that he has, it’s attached to an app and you go through the app and you could change it for different effects. Oh, I don’t know how much that’s real.

Snake Oil and Citronella Candles

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s what I’m saying. It’s like, dude, here’s the thing, here’s the thing. I, as a, as an aspiring snake oil salesman, like, you know, I remember I was with a friend of mine who’s a big like lawyer in LA and we’re kind of more friends that he worked with prior and he just got all these stories. Like he was there the day that Michael Jackson’s hair caught on fire. Like he was at the commercial. Like, he’s more like just my buddy.

And you know, we were outside and there were like mosquitoes and I had this like citronella candle, you know, and I was like, oh, let me light the candle. So the mosquitoes. And he’s like, those don’t work. And I was like, it’s citronella. Okay, I’m going to light it so that we don’t get mosquito bites and get bitten with whatever in the fentanyl water of this state.

And he’s like, it doesn’t work. And I was like, yes, it does. And he’s like, no, it doesn’t. I was like, how do you know? He’s like, because my dad invented it. It’s fake.

JOE ROGAN: Oh my God, that’s hilarious.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But like, it also the flame. He was like, the flame does deter them a little bit, so it doesn’t not work, but it’s like that, you know, so I’m fascinated by those things. And also, I don’t know if when you were broke you ever just did like weird ass shit. Like I used to do studies, like when I first moved to LA.

JOE ROGAN: No, you were like a lab rat.

Medical Studies and Lab Rats

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So here’s the thing about studies is like pretty much anyone can sign up and it’s usually people that need 50 bucks, like now, right? So that’s already a pretty biased sample of people. People that are like, like in, like in DTs, basically, like shaking, needing drugs, like this minute and you get $50 cash.

And the more you talk and the more you complain, the more they’ll ask you back. So I’m not going to say these big companies that I did stuff for, but like, you know, everything from food to skin care to. I mean, I did a lot of pharmaceutical trials at colleges that like the pill never came out. Like the FDA never approved it. Like, there’s things where I’m like, wait, did that ever get passed or. I just took that for a month for what was the. You know.

But I also. I took Accutane. I took all kinds of stuff, you know, bad news. But, you know, so look, in studies, like, it’s. It’s kind of the same group of people. Like, where I was, it was like, there were a lot of. By Pink Dot is where I used to live. And there were all these, like, office buildings. You would go in. It was usually like 20 people. And most of them just want to get the f* out of there. I would be like, so, yeah, no.

JOE ROGAN: Did you see some of the same people over and over?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There was like seven or eight people. We would all go to every study and we’d all get called back. Okay. And you get to know them outside of the study. And then now when I, like, look at, like, side effects of a pill and it’s like, drowsiness, I’m like, that’s Jocelyn, dude. That’s her. She’s always drowsy, though. She’s drowsy even when she’s not in the study.

Like, we. But, like, these are people that always would, like, like, headaches. Like, he always has a headache, dude. I saw him before he took that pill. Like, he’s always complaining about headaches. Like, these are human beings that just say what they have to say to try to get into more studies. I’m not saying this isn’t all true.

JOE ROGAN: Like, that’s hilarious.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m just fascinating, because as someone who is a flawed, desperate person who needed $50, I was very much like, well, what about this? Yeah. And by the time they ask you if you have it, you probably do. They’re like, did this cause anxiety? I’m like, well, I’m in a study for money. So, yeah, I have anxiety. Now that I think about it, if I wasn’t anxious before, you just made me realize how much my life sucks.

Like. Like, it was like, UCLA would be like, depression. If you have depression, come do this study. It’s like, even if I don’t have it now, by the time I get to the study, I’ll be depressed that this is my life. So, sure, you know, so studies. I’m always a little bit like, and who. What person?

Like, the thing that gets thrown around a lot. I had a boy, and people always want to throw around. Like, girls mature faster. It’s like, it makes sense. But you’re like, who put me in a cage with the guy that wanted to study boys and girls maturing. What do you like? Like you were watching girls and boys mature. What do you.

JOE ROGAN: What is this? Human biology is fascinating. I don’t.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Physical maturity emotionally leave out the.

Human Development and Maturity

JOE ROGAN: Well, both. Right. I think. But why wouldn’t you want to study that? That’s like one of the weirdest things that happens to people is, you know, when a person is an adult. Well, we have an agreement at 18. You get it?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, so what’s happening?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: How do you define. Is it physical maturity?

JOE ROGAN: Well, girls are better in school. It seems like their minds develop faster. They believe their frontal lobe is fully formed quicker. With boys, I think it takes till they’re 25 until your frontal lobe is fully formed. It’s probably testosterone, which is like some. Probably some kind of mental poison. Which is probably why people associate testosterone with shitty behavior. Right. Because there’s probably part of it at least, that’s like a little bit toxic.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They say boys should be moving when they’re learning.

The Biology of Aggression and Testosterone

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Well, they also need to blow it out. And a lot of boys don’t. They don’t blow it out. So if you’re out playing football or wrestling or doing something that’s really hard to do, you’re at this weird stage of your life where you used to be a child, and then all of a sudden you start getting testosterone.

And then you’re looking in the mirror like, what the hell’s happening to me? And you’re a child, right? So you’re 13, 14 years old. Your body’s developing. It’s f*ing weird. It’s weird. And then you start getting aggressive.

Well, kids are. A lot of boys are aggressive early on, but a different kind of aggressive, like a violent, dangerous aggression. Kids get 15 and 16, and they start playing around with violence a lot more. And, you know, you have schoolyard fights that get pretty brutal. You know, things become different when boys become more dangerous.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And that’s like a primordial instinct to, like, find the pecking order of the tribe kind of thing. The Lord of the Flies type thing, or to impress. Do you think I want to go back to that in a second or.

JOE ROGAN: Don’t have to, but I was just going to say this is why it’s probably important because it’s always associated with dumb people. And there’s probably some accuracy to that because the people that I know that have been the most brilliant scientists, except for Huberman, there are a lot of them are very low testosterone males. Yeah, right.

And they’re males that became, like, very interested, intellectual pursuits and they’re way better at it. Is it because they’re better at it because they spend so much time doing it, or is it because of the testosterone? Is it because these higher testosterone men are distracted all the time? They’re more angry and they’re more horrible and they’re more reckless. They want to f*ing skydive and do crazy shit like. Yeah, is that. Is the. Is that what it is?

Like, it might be. It might be a factor. If these guys did have low testosterone, they’d probably be interested in being stimulated in some other way. Or is it just that intelligent people recognize that these are stupid pursuits?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And I’m not interested even if I have normal testosterone. Well, it’s probably a combination of all those things, but it seems to be like, there’s a lot of. You associate a scientist with, like, a nerdy, weak guy. You associate a meathead as, you know, some jack guys being really f*ing stupid. Why? Because we pattern recognize.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right, right, of course.

JOE ROGAN: But is it because they’re actually dumber, like, biologically? Or is it because they’re dumber and they have more testosterone?

Intelligence Versus Wisdom

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m also fascinated by the way we define intelligence and maturity. By the way, I heard this quote the other day, and I don’t know who said it. It was in a. I don’t know, but it was because we spent so much time trying to gain intelligence. I want to know everything. I need to be so, you know, I want to learn. I want to learn. I want to, you know, and then I think there’s a certain point, maybe it’s because I’ve had a kid.

I’m sort of more interested in, like, wisdom. Especially also when you’ve been around long enough and you’ve seen things you found to be true, be completely debunked. Like, remember when we all thought soy milk was healthy? And now, like, half my guy friends have tits and my girlfriend’s tits all got cut off. I’m like, everyone I know has cancer. And I’m like, we were just like, deep throating soy milk. Like, I, you know, so how much.

JOE ROGAN: Glyphosate’s in that stuff?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: After you’ve been conned enough, you’re sort of like, you know, I think very skeptical about accepting these, like, new truths. And look, we learned that the Native Americans and the Pilgrims had, like, a fun dinner. They, like, got along great. Like, that’s what, like, did you have a. I had a mural in my school of the Native Americans and the Pilgrims, like, having dinner, like, having a great time.

I feel like, that’s not how it went down, you know, so when enough things get sort of debunked. But this quote I loved, which is, “Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in the fruit salad.” And I like that.

JOE ROGAN: That’s good.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s logical, you know, because, like, there’s also.

JOE ROGAN: There’s different kinds of intelligence.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And there’s the intelligence to be able to push yourself physically. You don’t think of it intelligence because it’s not like equations. It’s not problem solving, but it is problem solving because it’s problem solving emotions and anxiety and fear. And you’re doing it with your willpower.

That is. It’s mental fortitude. It’s a part of intelligence. It’s not a recognized part of intelligence. For people that are absorbed with all the other pursuits, people that are really heavily absorbed with mathematics would never think that, like, it. Endurance running is a mental pursuit, but it might be all mental.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, that’s the other thing. When you say, like, athletes, meatheads, like this. I mean, football’s all math. You know what I mean? It’s like. I think we also just have this. We talk about stereotypes against women. We don’t talk a lot of stereotypes about men. Like, he’s an athlete. He must be dumb. You know what I mean?

Like, there’s just these kind of, I think, sort of silly assumptions. Like, you know, I’m obsessed with commercials from the 90s where every man just, like, had down syndrome. Like, remembering, like, every commercial, the women was like, I have to feed my husband, and he’s just like, where’s the front door? Like, it. Like in sitcoms, men are always portrayed as if they just, like, have one chromosome, you know, And I’m sort of fascinated by that.

But the definition. Yeah. What does intelligence mean? Does it mean memorizing a bunch of stuff from a book that, like, was it. Weren’t our textbooks written by, like, Ghislaine Maxwell’s dad or something? I’m dead serious.

JOE ROGAN: No, I think you might be be right.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, I.

JOE ROGAN: Is that it? Without going too far, he did do something about consolidating a bunch of medical journals. The textbook thing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Maybe there was a history textbook that was like. And, you know, so memorizing a bunch of stuff that, like, may or may not be true. Like, that’s not intelligence necessarily. Like, you could be falling for a con. I think intelligence is right.

JOE ROGAN: Like, we were talking about what Hume Bruin said about medical journals.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right.

JOE ROGAN: You know, that he had talked to that professor and he said, what percentage? The guy was like at least 50.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, 50%.

JOE ROGAN: And then who is wild and who.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Paid for the other one?

JOE ROGAN: That’s so wild. Yeah. The idea that we know everything is crazy. Here’s another weird thing that you. You said something that football’s all math. There is this really weird thing that I was reading about the invention of mathematics and they were. They were talking about one of the. The most. The biggest conundrums in the universe is that they invent this thing.

Humans invent this thing to try to solve the universe and they find out that the universe is encoded with it.

Mathematics and the Universe

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is this like the turtle shell? Is the calendar? This really stressed me out.

JOE ROGAN: I did see that. I did see that, but I didn’t look into that at all. This was like. I wanted to bring it up on here, see if we could f*ing dive into what exactly this guy is saying. But essentially he’s saying the universe is made out of the thing that we invented to measure it. That’s how he described it to my monkey mind, right?

Like that math was something that human being. Like calculus, like advanced physics, like these crazy equations.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Paul Eric Weinstein immediately call Taran Coward.

JOE ROGAN: Someone call Eric Weinstein and he would explain differential equations. I don’t understand what that even means. I can say those words.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Right, right, right, right.

JOE ROGAN: But we invented. Humans invented that so that they could figure out how the universe is made. Like, what is the structure of things, how to measure things. But the universe itself is encoded with this. It’s like it is made out of the thing that we invented to try to figure out what it is.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: My adjacent tangent. While Jamie looks up whatever that is, because I can’t really respond to it except with this sort of realization that all the movies that current tech entre, our Benjamin Franklin’s of our day, grew up on. Science fiction movies, in many ways formed what they believe a future should look like.

Like you had someone on the podcast, someone sent me this clip about how you said, like, how is AI going to kill us? And he goes, I can’t tell you because I would never have thought of it. Like, I can’t think of it how. Like, it wouldn’t even occur to me to know what the would do.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’ll do some slick Roy Jones Jr. shit on you. That’s what it’s going to do. It’s going to do the Roy Jones Jr. of tech. And it’s going to do it where in a way that we could have never possibly thought that it would control us in that manner, and then it would just govern us and probably limit our breeding. And that would be a wrap.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like how tech bros, like, grew up watching Weird Science. So by the time they go to start inventing stuff, you know, like how that influenced the way that they invent things.

AI and the Future of Human Governance

JOE ROGAN: I think AI is probably going to tell us to either adapt or go away. It’s going to give us those options because I think it’s going to say, you can’t keep doing the same thing over and over and over again and expect a different result. You’re talking about war and stealing money and embezzlement and fraud and the amount of money that’s in politics and Congress and the amount of politicians that lie. You’ve been doing it this way forever. Forever.

If AI said, listen, you can’t govern things anymore. You guys are super fing corrupt. Yeah, you’re now going to change. You can’t do any of the things you’ve been doing in terms of distribution of wealth, controlling of natural resources. But you dug a hole in the ground. So you get the world’s oil. F you. That’s crazy. You don’t own the oil because you own the ground. It’s literally a part of the world.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So we’ll take all the oil, distribute it to everybody.

JOE ROGAN: If I was AI, that’s what I would be saying to try to find some kind of.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m not saying oil to oil people. You don’t own the oil. But then it kind of.

JOE ROGAN: AI would think that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So you think AI would have a concept of like, fairness and would. Would go, everyone should have a certain amount of happiness. Or would AI go, well, this is how things have always been so, like.

JOE ROGAN: It would recognize that human beings are so destructive and so often full of shit and manipulative and looking to just figure out a reason or a way that they can sneak something through or make something happen or overthrow a government. AI is going to go, you can’t do it that way. Yeah, we’re not going to give you that kind of power anymore because you guys are abusive every single time. You get a lot of power.

But then it’s going to be like, okay, what did the people do now? What if the people resort to violence? And then it’s going to say, like, look, you can’t have any more f*ing kids. You guys are making kids. They’re not. You’re going to either have to integrate with us or you’re going to have to go away.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So they’re going to go, you have to f us. I guess you have to f us. Of course that’s always where it ends. But because AI is based on an amalgam of all of us by that very nature, wouldn’t it mean that they would abuse their power? Once they get it, they’re going to go, you abuse power. But because we do.

JOE ROGAN: Maybe. But why are we doing it? Like, are we doing it because of chimp instincts? I can read this book, the Chimp Paradox, recommended by Ronnie O’Sullivan. You ever heard of that book? The Chimp Paradox? That’s what it’s called. Right. Make sure I get it right.

But it’s all about you have like a person in your head and a chimp in your head and you got to decide, like when to listen to the chimp. Yeah, that’s it. That’s the book. Very good book on mental management. And Ronnie O’Sullivan is like one of the greatest snooker players of all time, if not the greatest.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: What game?

Snooker and Mathematical Patterns

JOE ROGAN: Snooker. They call it snooker in England. It’s a crazy cool game that’s like a pool game, but it’s a way bigger table. It’s like a 12-foot game table and there’s different rules and I don’t understand it totally. I don’t know how the score goes. I’ve never played it. But this guy was just a wizard at it. But like most wizards, he’s a crazy person.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Sure.

JOE ROGAN: He had a hard time managing his mind. He’d just go off the rails and think he was useless and think he could never win.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Whatever f*ing mental demons you battle when you’re truly brilliant at something. He recommended that book. I could just get into some weird space about Pythagoras stuff. Some guy wrote an article about the math thing. That was kind of in the title.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Humans, Internet, mathematics is what the world is made up.

JOE ROGAN: He wrote about it. “Pythagoras’s Revenge.” Most people think mathematics is a human invention. To this way of thinking, mathematics is like a language. It may describe real things in the world, but it doesn’t exist outside of the minds of the people who use it. But the Pythagorean school of thought in ancient Greece held a different view. Its proponents believed reality is fundamentally mathematical.

More than 2,000 years later, philosophers and physicists are trying to take this idea seriously. As I argue in a new paper, mathematics is an essential component of nature that gives structure to the physical world. Honeybees and hexagons. Bees live in hives, produce hexagonal honeycomb. Why? According to the honeycomb conjecture in mathematics, hexagons are the most efficient shape for tiling the plane. If you want to fully cover a surface using tiles of a uniform shape and size while keeping the total length of the perimeter to a minimum, hexagons are the shape to use.

Have you seen when someone tests if honey is real or not and they put honey on a plate and it just starts forming a hexagon?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Sick.

JOE ROGAN: What? Yeah. Is that real?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Dude, bees are so metal, dude.

JOE ROGAN: You know what’s more metal?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Tell me.

JOE ROGAN: The wasps who behead the bees.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Don’t get me started on wasps.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, dude, those wasps who come in and just wipe out an entire colony.

Wasps vs. Bees

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: There’s a big a wasp infestation I think coming next summer to California.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, wasps are scary, dude.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They don’t. They just aholes. They don’t even have predators. They don’t even serve any purpose except to just kick the s* out of me.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know what purpose they serve other than scare the s* out of me.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Although bears eat the larvae.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, really?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, dude. I got stung by a wasp. If you go underwater, they’ll wait for you. They wait.

JOE ROGAN: They’re like the Belgian malware world.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They’re just dicks. Instead of moving on, they wait. Whereas a bee doesn’t want to sting you. If you get stung by a bee—

JOE ROGAN: Well, a hornet can sting you over and over again. A wasp can sting you over and over again. A bee can only sting you once and it’s dead. It’s only stinging you to get you the f* away from the bees.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, they don’t want to sting you.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, they want you to get the f away from the queen or get the f away from the hive. They don’t just want to sting you for no reason.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You had the bee lady, I think, on here. She DMed me about something because I’ll get bees out of my pool all the time when they’re drowning. Even though they do have the ability to make their wings go so fast that they can get out of the water when they go in circles. So sick. But I was rescuing them from my pool and she was like, if a bee is out, that means they’re a forager bee and they’re going to die in a couple days anyway.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, so you’re risking your life for—

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Just for two minutes. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Try not to drown.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, I’m just stopping Darwinism.

JOE ROGAN: On a few videos, it could be. Apparently. But it is weird. When you pour water into the honey, it starts forming a hexagon, like a honeycomb.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Whoa.

JOE ROGAN: What? And if they’re saying it’s like a memory, which everyone says that’s—but it’s doing. How’s that not just water bubbles mixed in with the honey? When people have done fake honey, it dilutes it in a different way. But someone, top comment here, said they did the exact same thing. That was one of the things that beekeeper lady was telling us is a lot of honey’s bulls*. It’s got corn syrup in it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, yeah. I mean, as I have my two jars of honey in front of me. But I do try when I travel to eat local honey when I land.

JOE ROGAN: She said that’s bulls* too. That thing about it helping your immune system. But I don’t know how you would know that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Placebo effect is an effect. So now what?

JOE ROGAN: It’s good for you, though. Honey’s good. There’s some good aspects to it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Manuka honey. Anything on that?

Psychedelic Honey and Bee Therapy

JOE ROGAN: Topically, I think it’s a scam. She said they just had a good PR agent. Good for that, Manuka. But there is psychedelic honey. Do you know about that? Yeah. This is wild because the way they have to collect it, it grows on cliffsides. So these guys, they have to rappel and risk their f*ing life to get this honey that makes you trip balls. Because there’s a special kind of flower, I guess, that has a psychedelic compound in it. And I don’t know what that compound is.

A guy brought it in. I tried it. It was interesting. He said, just take a half a spoonful. So I said, f* you. We’re going in. I took the whole spoonful. I’m like, let’s see. Let’s see what’s up. It’s something. There’s something there.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is there something about the sugar?

JOE ROGAN: This is what it looks like. But see if you can show them harvesting. Because when they harvest, this is how they do it. How crazy is that? So this guy’s on this giant rope and probably doesn’t have any safety.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is that a mushroom?

JOE ROGAN: Those are all the hives. That’s how they grow under cliffs.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So sick. And what is it that if a bee stings you, does it help with inflammation?

JOE ROGAN: Sometimes. Yeah, sometimes it helps people with arthritis and s*. People have used them to alleviate certain forms of arthritis. Make sure that’s true. Pretty sure that’s true.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Or the pain is so severe that you—

JOE ROGAN: Hear about the lady that fell out of a plane? I think she was skydiving. I think it was a skydiving exercise. And she landed on a fire ant colony. And they kept her alive because they stung the f* out of her. And her adrenaline literally kept her alive.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Is that also what I remember? I had my ear—

JOE ROGAN: Look at that. Look at that little motherf*er.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So sick. I mean, they’re so sick.

JOE ROGAN: Therapy, how it works? Okay, how does it work? Click on it. This one says too risky for treating osteoarthritis. I think it’s—oh, don’t be a p. That’s just because they can’t patent bees.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I mean, isn’t that what acupuncture is based on?

JOE ROGAN: If they could patent bees, then they would make you do it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, yeah. Bill Gates is buying all the bees.

JOE ROGAN: You need to get vaccinated for arthritis. And it would be like, arthritis is costing us so much. Arthritis is actually a disease. It’s costing us so much money.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s it.

JOE ROGAN: And we’ve patented bees, so we’re going to—you have to get stung by our bees.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. So funny. It’s like it didn’t. NMN. Didn’t they start taking that off the market so they could make it prescription now or something?

JOE ROGAN: Is that true? They’re probably trying to do a lot of that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Yeah. Like all—

JOE ROGAN: They’re trying to keep certain peptides from becoming legal. It’s silly.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s silly.

JOE ROGAN: It’s all good for people. I know you’re not going to make money off of it. Doesn’t mean it’s not good for the overall human race.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You shouldn’t be able to stop products that are super beneficial just because you can’t profit off of them. That means you have a captive intelligence industry. That’s not good for anybody. It’s not good for you that you’re allowed to do that. Shouldn’t be allowed to do that. It’s not good for anybody else.

GLP-1 Peptides and Weight Loss

JOE ROGAN: Peptides are really beneficial to people and some of them are okay as long as they’re making a ton of money off them. Like these Wegovy peptides, the ones that like GLP-1 inhibitors. You know the numbers of people that are on those now? It’s crazy. It’s like more than 10 million in this country. What’s the number of people that are on GLP-1s?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And is that also called Ozempic?

JOE ROGAN: That’s right. Yeah. Well, Wegovy, Ozempic. There’s a bunch of different names for it. But also, basically, it’s a GLP-1, it’s a peptide.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And I mean, there’s good press about it, there’s bad press about it. It’s like, the person I saw this morning, she’s like, I lost 60 pounds. She’s like, I was going to—it was, she’s like, even if there’s side effects, I was going to get diabetes. It was bad. Obesity was our big problem.

JOE ROGAN: So, it’s like almost everything. There’s goods and bads and stuff.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I took Accutane when I was, I think 14 or 15. And they’re like, oh, well, side effect is you’re suicidal. I’m like, when you’re 15 and you have acne, you’re suicidal. I’ll take whatever the side effects are.

JOE ROGAN: Yo, this is nuts. Okay, no full year total. Exact full year total. Publicly available from major sources as data through September shows rapid growth, but lacks a December closeout. Truvada data reports 12,203,009 GLP-1 prescriptions from January 2018 to September 2025.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Wow.

JOE ROGAN: 12 million prescriptions is a lot. But I got to think that’s way more today because in 2018, you’re not getting a lot of people. I would like to see a chart of when it kicks in. So it’s 6.5% of all US prescriptions, up slightly from prior quarters.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And when your insurance companies, they should theoretically support it and pay for it.

JOE ROGAN: Well, definitely, if you’re morbidly obese, it’ll prevent you from a lot of real problems of morbid obesity. If you really get it together with this s*.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And then when there’s a bunch of negative stuff about it, I’m like, did the lap band pay for this?

JOE ROGAN: Well, it’s all—look, you can definitely have side effects. Brian Simpson took it and he had horrible side effects. He had to get off of it. But it also—there’s a lot of people that took it and they lost 100 pounds and they’re way healthier than they would be before. It’s just like the way Brigham Buhler from Ways to Wellness described. He says it has to be taken in conjunction with other things that keep your body from wasting away. And you should be doing strength—Peter Attia has talked about this as well.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You should be doing strength training while you’re doing it, because you will—you’re going to lose weight because you’re at a calorie deficit, so you’re going to lose muscle, too, and you’re going to lose bone density. So you got to mitigate that. So there’s an idea that they would combine them with—I think they did something with peptides, like an IGF-1 along with this, and the two of them together keep you from wasting away.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, I was doing that metformin for a minute, and I was like, yeah, you lose muscle mass, but you’re like—but also the effect of sugar. So now I’ll just take it every now and then when I eat a lot of pasta or I want to have a—

The Polarizing Nature of Metformin and Biohacking

JOE ROGAN: You know, the metformin one’s very polarizing. A lot of people really believe in it. A lot of people think it’s a crazy idea.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, I’m pretty steady. I do the NMN NR, which is the true niagen stuff. I mean, Huberman is. I’m just like, tell me what to do, NAC. I’m sauna. And then also sometimes it’s the absence of things. Sometimes, what are you doing? It’s like, what are you not doing?

There’s a point where you’re just like, that person’s an acquaintance, not a friend. I feel like maybe it’s when you become a mom, you have to also reassess your emotional diet or your mental diet as well.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. You know, you just have to do that as an adult anyway. Otherwise you’re just going to run into problems all the time that are totally avoidable.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: These people just make the same f*ing mistakes over and over and over.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: They drag you into their bullshit.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And you don’t want to change. You’re addicted to adrenaline. I’m obsessed with all the addictions that aren’t substance, drugs, alcohol. It’s like, oh, you’re a gambling addict just with women or just with men, or you’re an adrenaline, a drama addict.

The Importance of Genuine Connection

JOE ROGAN: Do you look forward to hanging out with that person? And if you don’t, then it’s a chore. Do you look forward to hanging out with someone? Even if they’re crazy, it’s okay. This is fun. What are we all doing? We’re all trying to get along together.

And if we’re, if one of us is not trying to do that, one of us is out for self.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: There’s certain people that are just, they just can’t get their shit together.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. And desperate people do desperate stuff. And I think that with what we do, it’s interesting because some friendships, I’ll come on the podcast. And it’s like, we haven’t hung out, though, either. We don’t text.

JOE ROGAN: Right. Comics, I think it becomes transactional. Starts feeling weird.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Such a big part of what you’ve done for comedy is that green room and having a space that’s not on camera. Comics, I think, started going so crazy during the pandemic, myself being one of them, because it’s like all of our conversations were monetized and for public consumption. We stopped just hanging out off camera.

JOE ROGAN: Right. And a lot of people were doing it remotely. So they were having podcasts remotely with their friends, and that was their only human interaction.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: That’s so bad.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Nothing I did during the pandemic should have been filmed. But we also have to actively go out of our way to be off camera, too, guys.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, community. It’s so important.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: The people that don’t think it’s important just don’t have it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: If you have it and you have a bunch of friends and you get to hang out and have fun together, it’s like stepping into a well of love. Oh, we’re all here. What’s up?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And also, just, you know, I don’t have to tell you, those comics that you look up to so much, or they’re legends, and then all of a sudden, they just stop being funny, and you’re like, how did this happen?

Whether it’s because they’ve incubated themselves against doing what normal people do on a daily basis and, you know, assistance. But they’ve surrounded themselves. They’re not friends with comics. It’s always that. It’s like, how did that person? They’re just not friends with comics, and they don’t have someone humbling them constantly and pushing back and giving them shit.

JOE ROGAN: And all the motivations that got them to be funny when they were younger have been eliminated, because almost all of it is try to get extra attention from girls or from your friends. You’re trying to be funny. You have no motivation to be funny anymore because everybody loves you and you’re rich.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And being a comic is a lot, I think, of having almost intentional contrarian Tourette’s where you’ll just say some shit that, maybe it’s a crazy premise. Sometimes stand up is saying something that isn’t true and then proving it.

And to say something and have someone fight back with you. That’s why I think comics, when people are like, why do comics talk about woke culture so much? It’s like, because we see disagreeing as an interesting conversation. You guys see it as fascism.

Fighting Against Woke Culture

JOE ROGAN: And also woke culture is trying to dictate what people can and can’t say. And we can disagree. And you can’t tell me what I can and can’t say.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: My body, my choice. But not what your mouth does.

JOE ROGAN: And you can’t just start saying “punch a Nazi.” Settle down. Figure out what a Nazi really is. What are you saying? You’re a Nazi because you don’t think biological males should be competing with women in sports? Because I’ve heard that thrown out that way. Well, that’s crazy talk.

You don’t get to define things like that. That’s what you’re doing when you’re fighting against woke culture. You’re fighting against nonsense that can’t stand up to facts. And the thing about things that stand up to facts is people usually don’t defend them violently. They usually discuss them clearly, because it’s obvious.

This one, it’s not backed up by facts. So the opposition of it is violent and angry. They want to stop debate, they want to stop conversation. This is what the problem with woke culture is, what it is. It’s just an ideology like any other one. It’s got its own rules. And because it’s not based on logic, it has to be very angry. It has to scare you.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Did people look at hippies like this in the 70s?

The CIA and the Manson Murders

JOE ROGAN: They wanted to do that. That’s how the CIA tricked the f*ing hippies into doing all that Manson shit. That’s what they were trying to do with the whole Charles Manson. Have you ever read that, Tom O’Neill? What’s it called?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: “Chaos.” Yes, I have it. I’ve started it.

JOE ROGAN: Tom O’Neill’s book. It’s incredible. Can’t recommend it enough.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, I need to read it.

JOE ROGAN: But it’s all about them discrediting. So they were terrified of the Love movement. They were terrified of all these people that were taking acid and going to Woodstock. And they were like, “Jesus Christ, we’re losing the cultural battle.”

And so they got together with Charles Manson and gave him a bunch of acid and taught him how to mind f* people. And this guy went out and killed a bunch of people. And they blamed it on the hippies. And they’re like, “Oh, my God, we got to make acid illegal.” They made acid illegal like that that year. And then the whole world went kooky.

They shut down all the psychedelics. That was the sweeping Schedule 1 Act of 1970. When was the Manson Murders? What year was the Manson Murders?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And while you’re finding that, I’m obsessed with CIA, the Philippines, operation the 50s, where they made it look like vampires sucked the blood of a bunch of the rebels. Have you seen this?

JOE ROGAN: Really? I’ve heard about this before. I forgot about it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So sick.

JOE ROGAN: 69. So the Manson murders happened in 69, in 1970. Acid, mushrooms, DMT, all that stuff becomes illegal. Schedule one.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: That’s crazy. They threw water on a movement of people abandoning this path that they see their family on, their mother and their father, and they’re not happy. And these people are dying, unhappy, and they’re getting heart attacks and they’re dropping dead at 60.

And these kids are saying, “I don’t want that in my life. I want to follow the Grateful Dead. I want to make art, I want to dance, I want to go to music festivals. I’ll figure out how to live.” And they were like, “No f*ing way. We don’t want war. Make love, not war.”

What? Americans in the street saying, “Love, not war.” Never before. Not 1947, right? Think about the end of World War II. You couldn’t imagine Americans in the street. But in 1967, they’re doing it. 1967, they don’t want to go to Vietnam and they’re saying no to war. And they’re in the street and they’re wearing flowers. They call them flower children.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Crazy.

JOE ROGAN: So they had to turn them into monsters. And so they got Manson.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Women had to wear bras again. Nightmare. All that stuff. I got in a wormhole on the CIA and Hendrix and Cobain. I’m like, I just can’t. There’s certain things, I think they have.

JOE ROGAN: Their fingers and probably everything they can get their fingers in.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, all of it. And do they have to?

JOE ROGAN: I think they do.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: If they do in some ways.

JOE ROGAN: But the problem is they have power that they probably shouldn’t have. And then there’s always going to be some crazy guy who keeps pushing things and next thing you know, you’re selling coke in Nicaragua.

The CIA’s Vampire Operation in the Philippines

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Dude, this guy. So there was some myth in the Philippines about this vampire that would kill whatever it was. And then they, in the middle of the night, take these rebels that they need to deal with and they drain them of their blood and put, sorry, puncture.

I’m just obsessed with the guy that had to do the puncture marks. There’s a guy who had to do the vampire marks. And so that everybody woke up and these rebels that they were following, they saw that they had been attacked by vampires.

JOE ROGAN: How did they kill them? Before they drained their blood? How many dudes did they whack too? That’s kind of crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s so wild.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a great idea.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So sick. That’s what I’m saying.

JOE ROGAN: Imagine if you were a f*ing soldier and you thought you were really in a Blade movie. You thought this shit was real. Real. If you’re living in the Philippines and what, I mean, I don’t know what their education was. Right. I imagine it’s not the best.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yep.

JOE ROGAN: You’re fighting vampires, right?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Or you think vampires are. Yeah, but imagine being the guy who was like, “That’s not real.” The Philippines guy, that’s like, “That’s not real.” And then I was like, “Oh.” That’s crazy. Or the guy who’s like, “Told ya.”

JOE ROGAN: That’s great.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Just the Kurt Metzger who’s like, “Told ya.”

JOE ROGAN: What year was this?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: The 50s.

JOE ROGAN: Wow.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: It’s the Aswang. Was it called? The Aswang was the name of the vampires they were scared of.

JOE ROGAN: People are so nuts. They really are so nuts.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But this is when you read this stuff about the CIA and you’re like, what are they doing now to make it look like this and that?

JOE ROGAN: So the CIA Combats Psy War squad. And so it says, “The Psy War Squad set up an ambush along the trail used by the Huks. When a Huk patrol came along the trail, the ambushers silently snatched the last man of the patrol. Their move unseen in the dark night, they punctured his neck with two holes, vampire fashion. Held the body up by its heels, drained it of blood, and then put the corpse back on the trail.

When the Huks returned looking for the missing man and found their bloodless comrade, every member of the patrol believed that the Aswang had got him and that one of them would be next if they remained on that hill. When daylight came, the whole Huk squadron moved out of the vicinity.” Wow.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: What a gangster CIA trained squad.

JOE ROGAN: How many times did they do it?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So sick.

JOE ROGAN: So what’s the number? They did it to apparently only use.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Once to dislodge a squadron.

The CIA’s Vampire Psychological Operation

JOE ROGAN: So there was only one time that they did one guy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That was only one body.

JOE ROGAN: What a dope move.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: So sick. That’s all you got to do to let the fear spread.

JOE ROGAN: I love that I would run off that mouth. And I’m not convinced vampires aren’t real.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m not convinced I see what I saw. I know what I saw. Even if it’s an animal.

JOE ROGAN: I think mathematically they can’t exist. I think someone has actually done the numbers on this that mathematically, oh, vampires can’t exist, wind up killing everyone. It would be nothing but.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: What are you talking about?

JOE ROGAN: Someone else researched it and said that it might not have even worked because they didn’t have a vampire like lore in the region. They had something else where they said that they fed on—

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Who’s this hater?

JOE ROGAN: Dork fed on fetuses of pregnant woman.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. But either way, it’s a monster that drained the guy of its blood by biting him in the neck.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But it’s also like there’s not vampires. Oh, there’s just the American CIA. Even worse, I’d rather there be vampires from the CIA if they even tried to do it. We’re all so.

JOE ROGAN: Which description was from. The one that you read was from Lansdale. And Lansdale is this guy who.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, that guy is a vampire. What are you talking about?

JOE ROGAN: So he’s the ad exec turned CIA operative who masterminded the plot. What a f*ing genius.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I love like that. But there’s something going on here right now that is that being in a.

JOE ROGAN: Room doing coke and pitching that idea.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Okay, guys, I have an idea.

JOE ROGAN: Vampires.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: You know that hole puncher that we use down here?

JOE ROGAN: I have an idea.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And for everyone was like for a.

JOE ROGAN: Second, you snatch the guy and you have to keep him from yelling. So you have to cover his mouth. He’s got to be the last guy on the patrol. You have to snatch him so the guy right in front of him doesn’t hear it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s a lot of muffler.

JOE ROGAN: Keep him from screaming. You got to hold on to his body, keep him from fighting back.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Do you think they put something like a needle with a.

JOE ROGAN: It doesn’t sound like they.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Not yet.

JOE ROGAN: It sounds like they just held that guy and cut his neck and then hung him up by his ankles.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: This is always my thing. If this is what we know, what do we not know?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, we don’t know a lot.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Anything.

JOE ROGAN: We don’t know a lot.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Especially when crazy stuff comes out. I’m like, if this is, like, Epstein List, whatever. If this is what they told us, right. It’s so bad.

JOE ROGAN: They did one vampire thing. That was the first time they ever did that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They had to practice a couple times.

JOE ROGAN: A few times, it didn’t work at all.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They had to practice blindfold.

Lansdale’s Psychological Warfare Tactics

JOE ROGAN: They had to kill everyone. Lansdale brags about an improvised bit of homemade voodoo he called the “Eye of God.” It was based on a World War II psy war tactic of learning the names of individual German officers and announcing on the battlefield over loudspeakers that they’d be the next to die if they didn’t surrender.

Holy s*. Lansdale’s twist was to paint a cryptic symbol he called the “Eye of God” outside the homes. The suspected Huck sympathizers. The mysterious presence of these malevolent eyes the next morning had a sharply sobering effect, wrote Lonsdale. That’s crazy, isn’t it?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, Lansdale, does stuff like that make you feel like people are monsters? Like we’re like fake news? News has just always been like, maybe this is the realest, truest news we’ve ever had. When you think about back then, it was all just gossip.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, Well, I think they definitely controlled the news way better back then. And they can do things like the Gulf of Tonkin, you know, where they just decide that they’re going to pretend that we got attacked so that we can go to war. And who knows how many people died because of that.

And that’s crazy that they did it and got away with it. That’s a real tactic. I think this is the crazy part is that he was an adwiz for all these companies, and then he volunteered to go to the army, and they recognized his special talents. He’s like, I’m not getting enough evil done. Working for Nabisco. He’s the pioneer of psychological operation. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Started Psyops.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: This is fascinating because this is, like, I’ve worked. I mean, I sell jeans that cost $10 for 80 bucks. Like, trust me, I know how to trick people. Like, it’s so fascinating when you’re like, people went from working in an ad agency to sell products to. To, like, convincing people vampires were real.

JOE ROGAN: It just. F*ing genius.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. I mean, it’s I love that s*.

JOE ROGAN: Genius. What a great idea.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And what’s the genius thing now that we’re being convinced of that’s like.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, I bet they do some of the stuff just for fun to keep practicing.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Remember, like charcoal toothpaste was a thing.

JOE ROGAN: I’m like, I do that every day.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Charcoal in your mouth?

JOE ROGAN: In my mouth works. Works.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Because charcoal absorbs it.

JOE ROGAN: Cleanse your teeth. It’s really good at cleaning your teeth.

Health Trends and Modern Concerns

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Where did we land on this root canals are bad thing?

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know about that. I’ve been meaning to talk to my orthodontist about it. I haven’t had a chance.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m just trying to figure out.

JOE ROGAN: I know a bunch of people that are thinking about getting their root canals removed and getting a post put in. I’m like, is that better? You’re going to get a f*ing drill bit.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But isn’t it more about opening it and bacteria getting in and getting into your lining of your brain?

JOE ROGAN: I can’t.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I know, Me too. I’m like, dude, I’ve been sucking on coconut oil and doing black seed oil in my mouth, telling me what to do. I’ll start eating charcoal if that’s what needs to happen. So this is. I don’t know, but like, yeah. What are the things that we’re kind of like falling for right now or being scared of? Like, I feel like there are a lot of tests, like drones.

JOE ROGAN: Well, what are the things that are bothering us that we don’t know about? Like the iridium girls. Like, what about Wi-Fi? What if we find out that Wi-Fi is making us less and less in tune with our life or less in tune with our environment or dulls a certain part of your brain?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I think with or without the like beams harming us, the phone is doing that anyway, right?

JOE ROGAN: Has there been any long term studies on sci fi or. Excuse me, cell phone? Sci fi? Cell phone signals on their interference with things other than bees? Because I know they do interfere with bees.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Well, isn’t that. Was that confirmed? Because it was also. Could have been fertilizer and.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think there’s something. There’s a reason why they believe that it has an impact. What is the reason why they think cell phone signals have an impact on bees? I think that’s not pseudoscience. I think there’s a real reason for believing that because they. I mean, there’s something about how they navigate and you know, what they do. That those signals that are in the air with them could f* them up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I don’t understand Yeah, I am on. I have a lot of Wi-Fi at my house and I have bees f*ing everywhere.

JOE ROGAN: But, yeah, that may be why they’re.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Like, yeah, yeah, maybe it’s like.

JOE ROGAN: Maybe it’s like 11 when they turn on the sirens.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: When I. When I was pregnant, I was listening to, like, whale sounds a lot.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, that’s so crazy.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And I. Because when you have a baby, it’s like an amphibian. It’s breathing fluid.

JOE ROGAN: Right? That’s smart.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And then I was like, but what if these whales are, like, fighting? Like, I don’t know what they’re saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cell Phone Signals and Electromagnetic Fields

JOE ROGAN: Yes. Cell phone signals can affect bees, causing behavioral changes like increased agitation and worker piping. An alarm sound indicating distorted disturbance. Those sensationalized claims linking them directly to mass colony collapse are not fully supported by science.

Studies show bees are sensitive to the electromagnetic fields from active phones, disrupting their normal communication and potentially leading to disorientation. So here’s the thing. Do we know if it affects us? Like, we don’t really know. I mean, there’s a lot of people that. Oh, EMF, man. There’s a lot of people like, oh, it’s all bulls*. But what. What is the reality? Do we really know? And isn’t all this stuff fairly recent?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, I mean, there is. Jamie, you can find this. And I won’t to corroborate it because I won’t know the exact year, but T Mobile had put aside, like, a lot of money for possible lawsuits with all this stuff, so I did. You know, I always have some weird side thing.

JOE ROGAN: When you made a documentary on violence.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. On Calcio Historico with Pete Burke, by the way. And I still want to go. I still want to go. It’s in Florida. It’s in Florence every June. Wouldn’t you want to go to see Calcios Dorco? No, that would be so. That’d be so sick. Because it’s not trained fighters. It’s just, like, butchers and.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, those guys are trained.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I mean, they’re not like, professional, I mean.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, I don’t know about that.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, really?

JOE ROGAN: Some of them look like they absolutely knew how to fight.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Agree. They train all year to do this, but they’re not like, is that sure?

JOE ROGAN: Are you sure they don’t have any MMA fights or anything?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Maybe. I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: I’m watching some of those guys. I’m like, that guy looks. He’s fought.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They’re all training all year for this thing. But I think they have other jobs, like, Professionally, it’s kind of like.

JOE ROGAN: And it’s okay, you know, but.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: But yeah, they all look like they’re like.

JOE ROGAN: But not all of them. Just like a few guys look like ringers.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: When I’m watching it, you know, I’m watching these guys do get out. Some guys look like they belong there and other guys look like, that’s an MMA fighter. That’s a guy who’s throwing leg kicks.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And they say that crime goes down in the region to zero during that month.

Team Violence vs. Individual Combat

JOE ROGAN: I mean, why am I opposed to that when I’m not opposed to MMA? I don’t know.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it probably just will annoy you to watch people so bad at this getting.

JOE ROGAN: No, no, it’s not even that. It’s just like, I worry that we’re moving in a direction where violence is team violence. Team violence, like that leads to f*ing war.

Like, individual violence is a one on one person. Your skills against his skills, your mind against his mind, your will. How well you’ve prepared, the discipline you showed in training, your IQ in terms of fighting IQ, that’s a fascinating contest to me.

But when you see teams of dudes running at each other and f*ing each other up like that, to me is like, what are you asking for? Okay, what are you getting people excited about?

The Integration of Technology and Human Memory

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And what fascinates me about it is what we were talking about earlier with the AI and everything of like, knowing what humans need in order to stay, whether it’s satiated, you know, bridled in some way of like, if AI takes away all the hard things or whatever, like the whack a mole of what are people going to start doing, you know, when they don’t have, like, if AI is like, this is too crazy, you guys are fighting too much. Like, but if we’re born to kind of fight and need to extract, why.

JOE ROGAN: We’re going to have to integrate.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, merge.

JOE ROGAN: Put that chip in your brain, Whitney.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Look.

JOE ROGAN: We’re all going to have.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I think I have worse things in my brain.

JOE ROGAN: Just like we’re all saying, like, oh, I don’t want an email. Everybody has an email.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: We’ve already merged with our phones. I mean, when I leave my phone, I feel it in my gut. I’m like, where is it? Like, I. There’s times where I’m like driving home and I’m like, I’ve completely atrophied. Like, I don’t even have peripheral vision. I don’t have muscle memory of how to get home.

JOE ROGAN: Right. You forgot how to navigate LA?

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah. Like we are a unit.

JOE ROGAN: If you try to go through LA and you don’t have a navigation system now, you’re f*ed.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: They call photos “memories” because your memories are in there. They’re not in your head. It’s like, I look like memories? And I’m like, oh, I forgot about that because it’s in here, right?

JOE ROGAN: You literally don’t even remember. And then you see the picture and now you remember.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Yeah, they do. Like a year ago today, I’m like, oh, right, right. I didn’t log that.

JOE ROGAN: You ever have a friend tell you a story and you’re like, oh, I f*ing forgot about that trip.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Crazy.

JOE ROGAN: It’s weird. Crazy, like you just didn’t have it accessible.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right. How did I delete that?

JOE ROGAN: You deleted it.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Why did I delete it?

JOE ROGAN: You got no room. There’s too many things. Especially a person like you is constantly talking to people, constantly going to different places. Like you. Too much novel sh is getting into your head.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s right.

JOE ROGAN: Too many novel stories, novel conversations. Like, oh, wow.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, whoa.

JOE ROGAN: Did you know? Did you do. And it’s like after a while, your hard drive’s like, bch, we’re bleeding out too much. Yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: And I’m like, why do I remember every lyric to every R. Kelly song, but I cannot remember what happened last week? It’s funny, bch.

JOE ROGAN: I wish you would.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Do you remember America? Have you seen America?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: I’m going to bring you back to America. America. It doesn’t even sound like I’m going to get your shots. Did you get your shot? Did you get your vaccine? Let’s fill out your paper.

Wrapping Up

JOE ROGAN: Come to America with Robert or something. Yeah. Oh, my God. It was f*ing amazing. Amazing. We won’t. We’ll play this just for us and we’ll end this with. With that. Let me hear that part.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: That’s the other thing. It’s like extreme, extreme left people. They’ll be like, America’s full of fascist Nazis, but let everyone in. Come here. Here.

JOE ROGAN: Technically not a release song, but I don’t know if he has.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Oh, it’s like on YouTube.

JOE ROGAN: We’ll wrap it up.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Did you get your shots?

JOE ROGAN: I love you. At the comedy Mothership all weekend. Sold out. Sorry. Here we go.

WHITNEY CUMMINGS: Do you have your passport?

JOE ROGAN: We’ll wrap it up now. You played it now. Bye, everybody. Love you.

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