Transcript: ‘I Will NOT STOP!’ – Candace Owens on Piers Morgan Uncensored

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PIERS MORGAN: Well, shortly after that, Candace Owens was invited to a lengthy private meeting with Erika Kirk, which is now the catalyst for frenzied speculation that she may be having second thoughts about some of her theories.

She’s also, I should add, marking the release of her new book, Make Him a Sandwich. And amid all of that, she joins me now for her first interview since the meeting with Erika Kirk. Candace, welcome back to Uncensored.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s good to be with you at the end of another year.

The Private Meeting with Erika Kirk

PIERS MORGAN: Yes, and what a year it’s been. Not least for you, it’s fair to say. Your fame continues to rise. Infamy, some would put it. But you’re always a welcome guest on Uncensored.

But let’s get to this extraordinary meeting that you had with Erika Kirk. It came right after we saw her say in that CBS town hall, “You should stop,” to stop the conspiracy theories. So who approached who about you guys actually getting together?

CANDACE OWENS: I was approached by Turning Point after Blake Neff, who works on Charlie’s show, sort of fumbled this invite. It was, I’d almost say like a fake invite publicly. And then in the middle of the night said, “Oh, Candace is not able to be here tomorrow.” And they never messaged me.

And I think there was quite a bit of public backlash with how they went about it. It’s just not the way that we try to set meetings. And so what happened after was they reached out to me, said Erika would agree to do a livestream, just the two of us.

And then after Erika’s PR blitz, they reached out again and said that they felt that it was better for us to meet one-on-one, as opposed to us sitting down, having Megyn Kelly moderate, which was the idea originally.

PIERS MORGAN: Right. So where did you have your summit meeting?

CANDACE OWENS: At a hotel here in Nashville.

PIERS MORGAN: And a lot of your supporters, fans of your show, think that you may have been lured into a trap. Did anything while you were there make you think you were being lured into a trap?

CANDACE OWENS: I don’t know that a lot of my fans think that I was being lured into a trap. I think ahead of time they had some concerns, obviously, because I think in general, after you see a public assassination and you start tracking so many lies that are happening, there’s going to be an understandable amount of angst that people feel.

And I certainly felt the angst as well. I’ve obviously been very clear that I am suspicious of some of the characters that are at Turning Point USA. So I totally understand why the public was concerned.

PIERS MORGAN: When you saw Erika, she was obviously angry about you in that CBS town hall. What was her demeanor like when you met her?

CANDACE OWENS: Well, I don’t think that she thought she was angry in that. I think maybe that was the characterization from the public. I certainly thought she was angry as well. And she sort of clarified that she was a bit annoyed by the questioning, the way in which Bari had set up the question with “the podcaster Candace Owens,” which I think was definitely being driven more by Bari Weiss’s feelings towards me, long-running feelings towards me, than it was perhaps for the benefit of CBS and trying to pretend to be an impartial journalist.

So I think she was frustrated by the line of questioning is what she explained to me.

What Was Discussed in the Four-and-a-Half-Hour Meeting

PIERS MORGAN: So how would you categorize the four and a half hours? If you were looking at it in totality, what was the tone of the conversation? What do you think you both got out of it?

CANDACE OWENS: Well, for me, answers to the questions of trying to understand why there were so many Turning Point lies and why instead of people acknowledging that these are lies, I felt that there was this billion-dollar psychological operation to convince people that this is just crazy, these are lies, these are made up.

And so I was very refreshed that they owned up to the lies. That was a great first step. And I think what motivates that may be because despite having what I would assume to be the best PR agents and crisis PR agents in the world, we’re moving toward a different world where people don’t really care if you are friends with the people at, what is it, WME and CAA and what they can do for you.

That sort of power is ineffectual in this day and age. And so I think they recognize that and that the public simply doesn’t believe the story that they’ve been fed and the psychological operation to convince us not to believe our own eyes or to trust our common sense instincts has failed.

And I think on their end they got more clarity on how I figured out certain things, more clarity on why I am convinced that there are people that are inside of Turning Point that are dirty. And I was able to share more with them off record and I think that they got more clarity. Exchange.

The Danger of Private Meetings

PIERS MORGAN: Before we get into some of the specifics, is there not a danger here? I’ve already seen it in some of the reaction from people that follow you, follow your show. Is there not a danger that in seeking to be the one that exposes the truth—and listen, I don’t know the truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk.

I work on the assumption that this lone twisted weirdo Tyler Robinson killed him for whatever reason and I suspect personally that is how this will play out. However, I have an open mind in the sense that we still don’t really know what happened with President Kennedy’s assassination.

I found the attempted assassination of Donald Trump very odd in the way that’s been handled by the authorities and so on. I’m not naive. As a journalist of 40 years, I’m not naive enough to say every single thing you’ve been saying is obviously baloney because I don’t know and we’ll get to some of the more specific details.

But is it not a danger, Candace, that by having a four-and-a-half-hour private meeting rather than doing it in public, that all you’re really going to do collectively—actually you and Erika Kirk—is fuel the conspiracy theories about what you may or may not have discussed in that meeting, what part of the stuff that you’ve been broadcasting on your show she agrees with and doesn’t agree with and so on.

Is there not a danger this is the least transparent way of going about trying to get solutions here?

CANDACE OWENS: Well, I’m a very transparent person, so my preference was to do it publicly. But I took the offer obviously, to have any conversation, because if I hadn’t done that, then I think everything I’ve been doing would have appeared disingenuous, like, “Oh, Candace is pretending that she wants answers to her questions, but when she got this offer, she suddenly said she didn’t want to go because it wasn’t public.”

They would have felt like I was moving the goalpost. So I was willing to take anything. And from their viewpoint, they felt like after the CBS News and the Fox News hits that Erika did, it was my understanding that they felt that it was a good idea to bring the temperature down first by having us sit down and communicate.

And that doesn’t mean that they necessarily say, “Oh, well, that’s it. Now we’re not going to have any other public discussion.” I’m hopeful they will. I think they should. I totally agree with you. More transparency, the better.

PIERS MORGAN: Who else was in the meeting? Erika was there. Who else was there?

CANDACE OWENS: Justin Strife, who is the COO of Turning Point USA. And my husband was only there for a portion of it, and my cousin.

PIERS MORGAN: So there were no lawyers, for example?

CANDACE OWENS: No, no lawyers. But they did phone their lawyer because I asked the question. I was like, “Look, I’m open to being wrong. Obviously, if there is something,” which I think the media was kind of hinting at, that they had more, but they couldn’t share it with—I said, “I’m happy to keep my mouth shut and I want to feel good walking out of here that there is something there, there is some sort of a smoking gun. And I will tell viewers just to be patient.”

And so they did call one of the lawyers working on this case, and it was not convincing at all. He said, in effect, “All we have is what the public has seen and we won’t know more because we’re investigating and looking for more.”

And so that just made me go, why is everybody being so over-the-top and ridiculous and using words like “the evidence is overwhelming. It was Tyler Robinson,” when they don’t have anything that’s overwhelming to show that it’s—they’ve never—they didn’t see—they don’t have a video of him taking the shot, which I think was something that I assumed like, “Okay, there’s all these cameras. Maybe they actually have that video and they’re waiting for a moment to release that to the public.”

They don’t have that. Or at least I can say Erika’s side has not seen that. And the lawyer communicated to me that they would not have access to that until earliest would be May. That right now they’re just investigating, just like we’re doing back at home.

Does Candace Believe Tyler Robinson Killed Charlie Kirk?

PIERS MORGAN: You said that your motive for going to the meeting was that you would be able to come out and tell the world Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. So are you in a position to say that? Do you believe as a consequence of your four-and-a-half hours with Erika, do you believe that it is now most likely that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk?

CANDACE OWENS: Absolutely not. I haven’t seen one piece of compelling evidence that Tyler Robinson scaled the rooftops like Spider-Man on a college campus that he didn’t go to and fired one shot, a magic bullet shot and killed Charlie Kirk. I just—I have not seen one piece of compelling evidence. In fact, I’ve seen more compelling evidence to the contrary.

PIERS MORGAN: Who does Erika think killed her husband?

The Affidavit and Evidence

CANDACE OWENS: Well, I think that in her recent PR blitz, she sort of communicated that she trusted her team and her lawyer was using kind of the same rhetoric that the media has been using where, you know, there’s really—this is like, you know, it’s overwhelming. Maybe he didn’t say the word overwhelming, but he was like, it’s very clear, I think, is what he said in particular.

And then I pushed back and I said, what’s clear? The affidavit. That’s all you guys have. And I did tell him if you would never be my lawyer, because it’s just, you know, a lawyer that’s just kind of giving you adjectives. And I don’t need a cheerleader. I need someone to be practical and to say, we don’t have anything yet.

I think the communication should be: We are hopeful that throughout this investigation, we are going to uncover more evidence that links Tyler Robinson to this crime. I do feel confident that he was involved in some capacity on that day. As I have said many times on my show, I was the one who broke the story that he was at the Dairy Queen throwing out clothes. A local Dairy Queen throwing out clothes in a nearby cemetery.

And so I do think he was involved, and multiple people were involved that day, and I think he did pick up clothes. I had communication with Lance’s family. I had communication with Tyler Robinson’s family. And for some reason, Lance is being protected, which I find to be very strange. His own family thinks he’s guilty of more, and they find it weird that the Feds kind of glossed over him almost as though he was a Fed operative, like he was working on behalf of them.

And, you know, we’ve caught the Feds have lied a lot. It’s just a fact. Turning Point USA people have lied a lot. That is a fact which they have agreed to. They said that these were mistakes, but they, you know, whether a mistake or not, the public was lied to.

So this obviously, you know, matters deeply to me, and it’s just absurd that people would think that I’m doing this for clicks. I know Charlie. I knew Charlie. Charlie and I were very close. And it has been one of the most disgusting things ever, that people, first and foremost, tried to start this psychological operation, that Charlie and I hadn’t spoken since 2019.

They’ve lied about virtually everything that I’ve said on my podcast. I’m not going to let this go, okay? I can’t. We don’t live in a country that is the embodiment of democratic principles if Charlie Kirk gets publicly executed and the media apparatus is doing everything they can to cover the tracks—I would say to cover the tracks by demanding that there is no further inquiry into what happened on that day. That is not a country.

Who Killed Charlie Kirk?

PIERS MORGAN: Let’s get to some of the details, because it seems to me you’ve put up a lot of theories, but a lot of them don’t seem to have a clear conclusion from you about what you actually think happened. I mean, you’ve been all over this now ever since Charlie was killed. What do you believe happened to him? Who do you think killed him?

CANDACE OWENS: So I can’t tell you definitively who pulled the trigger. I’m not going to lie to audiences and just put something out there that’s not real. But what I can say is I feel convinced that the Feds were involved. I can tell you that I think the Feds were involved in staging a cover up. I think Cash Patel knows what happened and did not happen on that day.

I am convinced by me being told by people that are Feds that he is not acting right and that he is not wanting to share any information. Just a couple of people are allowed to even see anything. A Fed told me that they can’t even touch the Charlie Kirk file without risk of being fired and that he, you know, he’s grown increasingly mad.

The U.S. marshals that were there when they were doing the quote unquote manhunt for 33 hours said that Cash Patel effectively sent them on a wild goose chase, which is what was signaled to the public when he said, “We got him.” And it was actually the wrong person. And so it caused people to stop looking because they were convinced that they had had the shooter. They felt that that was in order to allow the real perpetrators of the crimes to get away.

PIERS MORGAN: That could just be the fog of the immediacy of these things. We’ve seen it at Brown University, exactly the same thing. They thought they had the killer. They thought they had the killer. It turned out to be the wrong person. Right. It doesn’t mean there’s any great conspiracy by the Feds to cover anything up.

And again, even if what you’re saying is true, I don’t know, maybe you’re right. If what you’re saying is true, what is it they’re covering up? You’ve so far intimated or inferred something weird involving Egyptian planes. So, you know, what’s that about? You’ve inferred perhaps Israeli involvement in some way. You certainly inferred a lot of Turning Point USA involvement.

That’s a lot of people getting involved here in the murder of Charlie Kirk potentially. But what I’m really curious about is given you’ve been all over all this and you’ve been airing all these theories, but which one is it? It can’t be all of these things. Is it somebody—

CANDACE OWENS: Well, of course.

PIERS MORGAN: Is it someone at Turning Point USA? I mean, who do you actually believe?

Multiple People Involved

CANDACE OWENS: Of course it can be all of those things. And what’s really ironic here is that there’s a clip of Charlie in the last months leading up to his death where he speaks about the JFK assassination, and he says that multiple countries were involved, multiple people were involved, the LBJ was involved, the Feds were involved. And he’s correct. That is what it means. When there is a conspiracy, there are multiple people that are involved. Of course, there’s not one person on a grassy knoll who shot JFK.

PIERS MORGAN: Well, it might have been people who had—it might have been that we don’t—hang on.

CANDACE OWENS: The Dallas police. I’m answering your question.

PIERS MORGAN: No, no, but my point is, why—

CANDACE OWENS: Aren’t you just going to point to one person? That, to me, even that seems like a part of telling people not to believe their own gut. Obviously, for this to have been pulled off, there had to have been multiple people involved. There had to have been people at Turning Point that were complicit in having this happen. Now, who knows what their motivations are? Doesn’t mean maybe this person’s like, “Hey, I’m going to help you.”

PIERS MORGAN: Hang on. Okay, let me stop you. Hang on. When you say, obviously somebody at Turning Point, you are accusing right now, people that worked with Charlie Kirk at the company he built, which is now run by his widow, you are directly accusing people in that company of being complicit in his murder. Right.

CANDACE OWENS: I want to just be very clear connecting that dot. So I said that when there is a conspiracy, of course there are going to be multiple people involved. So applying that same logic to JFK. Right. Knowing as I do and as Charlie did believe that LBJ was involved, which then implicates the Feds as having been involved, which then implicates the Dallas police station as being involved.

I believe Israel was obviously involved, that they were the ones that wanted him dead for saying that what is now AIPAC should have to register under FARA. So there’s motive. There are people that have to be involved on the ground that day. There are people that have to be willing to allow the perpetrators to get away. There has to be media that’s complicit. And that’s what literally Operation Mockingbird was. It was established.

PIERS MORGAN: You know the problem. You know the problem, Candace. Here’s the problem. Hang on.

CANDACE OWENS: It was established. Everything you’re saying in this massive—

PIERS MORGAN: You keep saying—and this is where—this is where people think you’re prone to endless conspiracy theories for whatever reason.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay.

PIERS MORGAN: Is you keep using the phrase “they have to have been involved.” So by that yardstick, what you’re saying is, with JFK’s assassination—and we recently had a lot of the files released which did not conclusively prove any of these things. Right. Now, again, I don’t know what happened to JFK. But the one possibility you’ve not ruled in is it was just as simple as Lee Harvey Oswald. It might have been. We don’t know. Right. So when you say—

CANDACE OWENS: When you say entertainment.

PIERS MORGAN: The media to have been involved. Lyndon Johnson, decades to have been—but my problem—my problem is I can’t—stating all these things.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s so—it’s such a nonsense that to say it is Lee Harvey Oswald.

PIERS MORGAN: You don’t know that.

CANDACE OWENS: That’s just such a nonsense. Okay, yeah, no, I do know. It was not Lee Harvey Oswald acting by himself. And then that required national security to lock down the files and that required the Feds to impart—the CIA to impart Operation Mockingbird to convince the public that, “Oh, it was—you can’t go against—there’s a grieving widow. Don’t look further into it. Don’t believe your own accident.”

PIERS MORGAN: Let me just—okay, but let me just say this is your candidate.

CANDACE OWENS: It was a grand conspiracy that killed JFK.

PIERS MORGAN: This is—

CANDACE OWENS: I am going to say that confidently. All right. I just think we have to grow up. We have to grow up. We can’t keep pretending Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK.

PIERS MORGAN: Fine.

CANDACE OWENS: We can’t keep—

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CANDACE OWENS: It’s an opinion that’s fact.

PIERS MORGAN: No, no, it’s not a fact.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s a fact.

PIERS MORGAN: It’s not a fact. The whole reason there are still conspiracy theories about JFK’s assassination is—none of this is a fact. You are your theory.

CANDACE OWENS: Because the Feds are never going to admit to their crimes. That’s the reason we’re so—

PIERS MORGAN: That may be the case. But you haven’t—you can’t prove that.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, well, I can prove common sense that Lee Harvey Oswald did not stand on a—

PIERS MORGAN: You admit it’s your opinion.

CANDACE OWENS: Assassinate a president and LBJ, like Charlie says in that clip, people should go pursue. I know Charlie said the weird things that happened that day that were unusual. And LBJ decided not to ride that day.

PIERS MORGAN: Let’s get back.

CANDACE OWENS: Suddenly he reversed course on all JFK. Israel killed JFK. All right, now going back to your point about Turning Point USA.

PIERS MORGAN: Yes.

Financial Motive at Turning Point USA

CANDACE OWENS: And the ridiculous idea that implicating this is a $100 million organization.

PIERS MORGAN: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Common sense. If this was not even a high profile political assassination and this was just a guy who worked at a company that was $100 million. Right. Common sense inquiry is: was there a financial motive for this person to be dead? Okay, this is like Sherlock Holmes 101.

And this is what I mean when I say that the public no longer trusts the media because you’re acting us to be stupid. And we don’t want to do that. We actually don’t want to pretend that we’re clinical idiots who can’t assess things and go, “Oh, there could be a massive motive here to have Charlie dead.”

Especially when it seems very strange that Bibi Netanyahu when nobody even had a clue of what happened. This guy’s doing the rounds on Fox News and saying, “I didn’t kill Charlie Kirk.” That’s kind of weird. Did you feel compelled to jump on to Piers Morgan’s show and say, “Just so everybody knows, I didn’t kill Charlie Kirk”? Why would he say that?

PIERS MORGAN: So I want to fight, Candace. I want to get in front war, Candace. I want to get to the reality of what you’re actually saying. So when you say that somebody at Turning Point USA, Charlie’s company, was complicit in his murder, who—who was?

CANDACE OWENS: I believe that there were multiple people at Turning Point who are, as I have said many times, my exact words are they are engaged in a cover up of what happened to Charlie on that day.

PIERS MORGAN: But who was involved in his murder?

CANDACE OWENS: I didn’t say that they murdered Charlie.

PIERS MORGAN: You said Michelle Turning Point were complicit in his murder.

The Complicity Debate

CANDACE OWENS: No, my exact sentence that I said was that there were people at Turning Point who are engaged in a cover-up.

PIERS MORGAN: I saw.

CANDACE OWENS: You didn’t thoroughly.

PIERS MORGAN: Candace, you didn’t say that. You said literally, you said there were people at Turning Point complicit in his murder.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay. That’s what you said when you and I were discussing. That’s why I said, let’s go back. I was applying the logic of a conspiracy to JFK. I said, okay, JFK, you have people that are complicit.

PIERS MORGAN: Of course, if you apply the logic.

CANDACE OWENS: If there is a conspiracy, there’s going to be multiple people that are going to be complicit by the time in order for a large stage murder. You specifically say, you didn’t say complicit.

PIERS MORGAN: In a cover-up. You said complicit in the murder. Because I said, okay, who Turning Point in his murder?

CANDACE OWENS: And let me clarify for you, okay, you can keep saying what I said or you can listen to what I am saying.

PIERS MORGAN: Okay.

CANDACE OWENS: When I was using the analogy of JFK and we were connecting it, I was basically pushing back on you because you were suggesting that, you know, all of these people being involved would be crazy. So I was applying the analogy. Well, you actually, if you go back, I don’t know. Suggesting that I say you don’t know either.

PIERS MORGAN: You’re floating theories.

CANDACE OWENS: When we started talking about.

PIERS MORGAN: Listen, let me make it clear.

CANDACE OWENS: I really think you’re not holding on to your thoughts, Candace, that you were making. Let me explain my thoughts suggest that multiple.

PIERS MORGAN: Let me explain my thoughts.

CANDACE OWENS: Multiple different levels. I was then connecting the dots and saying that in order for the JFK assassination happened, there had to have been tons of people that were complicit.

PIERS MORGAN: I heard what you.

CANDACE OWENS: Maybe you’re the person who takes the cameras down. Maybe you’re the person you’re saying to drive that day. Maybe your LBJ. So they’re not all complicit in the murder.

PIERS MORGAN: Right.

CANDACE OWENS: They’re all at different, varying stages involved in the cover-up. Right. So there’s, that’s what, a grand conspiracy, actually.

PIERS MORGAN: Okay.

CANDACE OWENS: And I do believe so you don’t have to go back and we don’t have to go through it. I’m telling you what I think about Turning Point. You know, I am very known for being honest about what I believe. You know, you know, I’m not exactly a person that you got to pull teeth on.

PIERS MORGAN: Sure.

CANDACE OWENS: I believe that there are people at Turning Point who are engaged in covering up what happened on that day.

PIERS MORGAN: But were any of them engaged in the planning of the murder of Charlie Kirk?

CANDACE OWENS: I wouldn’t know how it was planned. I can’t make that. I cannot confidently make that statement. I can say confidently that I know they’re engaged in the cover-up because I’ve been investigating what happened on that day and what transpired thereafter. I’ve been clear. I’ve named those people on my show, I’ve said they are engaged in a cover-up and I’ve listed the lies so you don’t have to try to make something out of what I didn’t say. I tell you what, I think it’s already controversial. You don’t need to get more controversial. Okay? Do I think someone at Turning Point pulled the trigger? No, obviously I don’t make so much.

PIERS MORGAN: Anybody at Turning Point. Did anybody at Turning Point. Did anybody at Turning Point, in your opinion, know that Charlie Kirk was going to be murdered?

CANDACE OWENS: There is specifically two people at Turning Point USA and I have communicated that information to Erika and Justin Strife that I would not be surprised if they had foreknowledge of Charlie Kirk being assassinated.

PIERS MORGAN: But you have any evidence?

CANDACE OWENS: I’m not going to name. I am not going to name those people, okay? Because it’s not right for me to name those people until I know for a fact that.

PIERS MORGAN: Did you give the names to. Did you give the names to Erika?

CANDACE OWENS: Yes, I absolutely did.

PIERS MORGAN: You gave the names to Erika of two employees, current employees at Turning Point, who you believe were involved in the preparation for the murder of Charlie Kirk. Is that what you’re saying?

CANDACE OWENS: I told them that if I were in your shoes, they would. These would be two employees that I would look further into.

PIERS MORGAN: And what evidence do you have that they had any prior knowledge of the murder?

CANDACE OWENS: Because I don’t have concrete evidence is the reason why I’m not naming them. So I’ve been saying.

PIERS MORGAN: But you’re telling the widow that these two people may have been involved in the murder. But you see the problem.

CANDACE OWENS: The evidence for it is people that they. There is not concrete evidence. It’s like you’re trying to get me to say something that I never said and then asking me to defend it.

PIERS MORGAN: I’m asking what evidence we’ve got.

CANDACE OWENS: You’re asking me privately did I communicate to them that I think you should look further? That’s called an investigation, Piers. Okay, so what you’re doing is like if somebody, if somebody dies, you’re saying to please. You can’t ask any questions of anybody unless you have concrete evidence. We’re at the stage of investigation.

PIERS MORGAN: I’m not saying yes, you can and.

CANDACE OWENS: Let me give people in the public their permission to do this. Follow your instinct. If you feel something is off, keep asking questions.

PIERS MORGAN: No problem.

CANDACE OWENS: Until you get concrete evidence. When you have concrete evidence, you should name those people. I don’t have the concrete evidence. You have named other people inconsistencies, but.

PIERS MORGAN: You have named other people.

CANDACE OWENS: You can’t ask me questions. You can’t question. Let me finish it. I have communicated to them that their inconsistencies make me uncomfortable. I have communicated to them that somebody else who is a third party gave me some information that I am not yet comfortable as I am vetting it, giving it to the public, because that’s the responsibility to do. These are private citizens and that if I were in their shoes and had more access to information, I would go down that route. Okay. Unless I am fully confident that they actually did have something to do, like here is the smoking gun, I’m not going to name those people. But the people I have named thus far are people that I believe are engaged in a cover-up. Like I said, hold me accountable for.

The Case of Mikey McCoy

PIERS MORGAN: Well, let’s talk about one of those people. Let’s talk about one of those people because the Turning Point producer Blake Neff wrote this in early December. Ever since Charlie’s murder, Candace Owens has leveled a flood of allegations against people at Turning Point USA, people at Turning Point Action, and people who work for the show. She has made them against some of Charlie’s closest friends and to get some of his most dedicated employees, she suggested that Michael McCoy, Charlie’s chief of staff, knew Charlie would be murdered, was happy that he died and stayed silent because he was told he would be the next Charlie.

Now let’s move then to you said in your podcast that new information was given to you in your meeting with Erika Kirk about Mikey McCoy that’s now satisfied you on a video on the 27th of October, you devoted a whole episode to this guy and he’s supposedly.

CANDACE OWENS: Strange behavior of information that satisfied me about Mikey McCoy.

PIERS MORGAN: Well, let’s get a clarify. Okay, well, you can clarify that in a moment, but let’s hear what you said about Mikey McCoy before the meeting.

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CANDACE OWENS: So we decided to slow this clip down and we’re going to watch this clip slow down. So you can see that it is exactly 834 milliseconds from the time that you hear the shot. That is how long it takes for Mikey McCoy to put the phone to his ear. Now, why is that precise timing so important? Because there’s no dialing. Mikey didn’t have time to dial. Okay, you can’t dial and put your phone to an ear in 0.834 seconds.

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PIERS MORGAN: Now, what was the new information that you got in your meeting with Erika about Mikey McCoy?

CANDACE OWENS: So I’m sorry your gotcha is not going too well, but I never then said I am now satisfied that Mikey put the phone to his ear when I presented to the public.

PIERS MORGAN: No, no, I didn’t say that. Sorry, just to clarify.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, no, no, yeah. Well, you did say you referred on your side.

PIERS MORGAN: Well, let me. Let me give you the chance to clarify. You heard on your podcast after the meeting with Erika that you’d received new information about Mikey McCoy which had changed your mind. Would that be the best way to categorize it or change?

CANDACE OWENS: No, I never did that. I just presented it. Well, the only thing that I clarified on my podcast, if that’s what they’re getting wrong, is that some people thought that he was using a nickname that was his middle name. And actually his real name is Michael. Like, first name Michael. Because I was, like, trying to find something, and I was like, oh, maybe he’s actually using his middle name. So that’s what I clarified my podcast.

PIERS MORGAN: And you were given full logs. You were showing call logs. You were showing call logs.

CANDACE OWENS: They gave me a printout of Mikey’s call logs, and I gave it to the public. That’s it. I mean, they’re saying this, and then the public obviously comes.

PIERS MORGAN: Do you believe Mikey McCoy had any prior knowledge of Charlie’s murder?

CANDACE OWENS: I can’t say that he had prior knowledge of the murder and also has something concrete. I can’t say anything about prior knowledge. What I can say is what happened on that day. Mikey’s behavior is weird on that day. I find it weird, like I said in the podcast yesterday, that what has been communicated to the public is like, he called Erika instantly, instantly. First thing he did was call Erika instantly. And that’s actually the call logs show that he didn’t call Erika instantly.

PIERS MORGAN: What are you suggesting about when you got a massive call?

CANDACE OWENS: Logneff.

PIERS MORGAN: Actually, you have a massive about what.

CANDACE OWENS: Happened on that day.

PIERS MORGAN: But here’s the problem, Candace. You have a massive platform. As, you know, millions and millions of people hang on your every word. When you devote a large part of an entire episode to the strange behavior of Charlie Kirk, chief of staff, you are putting a target on the guy’s back. You’re inferring it has something to do with this or something to do with some cover-up or whatever it is. You’re inferring you know what you’re doing when you do that. When you saw Erika Kirk, did you say to her that you believe there’s something suspicious about Michael McCoy? Was she able to explain to you why there isn’t? Or does she share your view that he is somehow complicit in this in some way?

Rob McCoy and His Son

CANDACE OWENS: Well, we actually dedicated more time to speaking about his father, who I think is. It’s strange to me that that man called himself a pastor. I communicated fully that. Like that. Everything about that man makes my skin crawl. I think he’s a bad person. I think he’s involved with bad people. And this is. Obviously, Mikey’s a son. And, you know, I asked a bit about Rob McCoy and Mikey McCoy’s relationship.

I would just like to be clear. I have never. I am not going to be emotionally conditioned to believe that asking questions when we aren’t getting any answers is the crime itself. The crime was when Charlie got shot in the neck. So you’ve already said.

PIERS MORGAN: You’ve already said, though. You told her.

CANDACE OWENS: Let me finish this. You can’t ask me questions. Not let me finish.

PIERS MORGAN: You’re contradicting what you’ve just said to me. You said to me earlier.

CANDACE OWENS: What did I contradict?

PIERS MORGAN: You said you gave two names of people in the Turning Point organization that you believe are complicit in some way. You gave those names, but you wouldn’t name them because it wouldn’t be right to do that. But you did name this guy, Mikey McCoy, who was the chief of staff.

CANDACE OWENS: Because his actions are strange. You’re two different things. Really, Piers, I think you’re having trouble holding on to two buckets of thought here. Okay? You said in regards to someone that was complicit in murder. That is a very serious allegation. I gave them names of people that would not surprise me if they did have foreknowledge of Charlie Kirk’s murder.

You are now shifting gears and you’re asking me about Mikey McCoy and why I am raising red flags about his behavior on that day because I believe his behavior on that day was weird. That’s—I think it’s painfully obvious.

PIERS MORGAN: So do you believe he thinks—

CANDACE OWENS: I know people that don’t duck when it’s—so I’m pointing. I’m sorry that I have eyes. And I am agreeing with the public that Mikey McCoy’s behavior was weird on that day. Okay, these are two different things.

Now, if I’m going to make the assertion that somebody had something to do with planning this murder, I better be damn sure. And I need—if I said that on my podcast, right, that’s all I’m saying. I had never made that claim that Mikey McCoy planned Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

Accusations of “Throwing Mud”

PIERS MORGAN: No, I think, like, a lot of the claims you’re making is it’s difficult to work out what you’re actually claiming. You’re throwing a lot of mud in the air, including people’s names, which immediately then has millions of people chasing after these guys on social media and thinking—

CANDACE OWENS: Sorry, they get caught lying. Like, I’m sorry, what is—this is like the people, the public is actually being abused. Okay, let’s stop pretending that the victim—

PIERS MORGAN: Are they? Or do you just want them to think they are?

CANDACE OWENS: No, the public is being abused because you’re basically saying, stop noticing that people at Turning Point USA are lying. No, I’m not dare. And the public—no. Yes, you are. How dare—

PIERS MORGAN: You? When there’s an emphatic repudiation of what you’re—

CANDACE OWENS: Mikey lies and Rob McCoy lies and Blake Neff lies. And yes, all of these people have lied on record after the assassination. And the public goes, “Hey, that’s kind of a weird lie.” You’re like, “How dare you put a target on their back by noticing that they’re lying?” I mean, what weird psychological operation is this?

PIERS MORGAN: Do you believe? Do you believe? Okay, but do you believe—do you believe Erika Kirk has been lying about it?

CANDACE OWENS: No. I have been explicit on my show when people were saying, “Why aren’t you attacking Erika Kirk?” I said, because Erika Kirk has not lied. If to the extent that she lies, I will call it out. And that is why I did call out when she lied, okay.

When she said, “Charlie Kirk never received any text messages the night before saying that he was worried about that, that he was going to get murdered tomorrow,” I instantly said, “Well, here we have it. That’s a lie.” He definitively did receive send out text messages to both Dan Flood and Andrew Colba.

And we met in person. She clarified that. Okay, yes, that’s real. And we didn’t know until you said it because he was using a different app, and she was checking his iMessages. So to me, if you lie, you’re going to make an enemy of me. Just don’t lie. How about that basic requirement to say to people, don’t lie about what happened on that day. Don’t lie about what you did on that day. Because that’s the first clue to investigators that that person should be looked at further. Again, this is common sense.

Blake Neff’s Allegations

PIERS MORGAN: Okay, let’s move to something else. Blake Neff said—he said Candace has made other stranger allegations involving French paratroopers in maroon shirts, Egyptian Air Force planes flying out of Provo, Utah, and potential underground assassins traveling through unseen tunnels. At one point in early November, she started wildly throwing suspicion on members of Utah Valley soccer team for wearing hoodies. I could go on. There’s always something new coming up. None of it ever pans out because from the start, there’s been nothing there. What do you say to that?

CANDACE OWENS: He’s lying. And that’s the reason why Blake Neff is a suspicious character. I mean, him saying that I pointed to a soccer UVU person is complete fiction. I never discussed—had discussed that person on my show. Somebody was asking for a clearer photo of the person on X and I shared it. No suspicion. Never said this person anything to do with anything. I never covered him as a suspect on my show of anything at all. Didn’t ask for more information on this person.

That kid instantly responded and said, “Oh, those are our school colors.” And that was it. And Turning Point tried to turn it into a thing. Why are you doing that regarding the Egyptian planes? That’s a fact. Why are you saying she said that there was a military Egyptian plane on the ground that day? There was. In fact, there were—there were two. So why are you pretending that that’s like a weird thing about these planes to his—

PIERS MORGAN: Other—let me ask you about the—

CANDACE OWENS: Planes. Never allowed to answer a single question that you say in entirety before you move on to the next question.

PIERS MORGAN: I can’t just keep talking ad infinitum. I’m allowed to ask you another question.

CANDACE OWENS: Answering. You just read an entire statement of she called Philip. Got the second point. And you’re like, let me ask—

PIERS MORGAN: You a question I want to—

CANDACE OWENS: Ask. You already asked me a question. I want to ask the question that you—

PIERS MORGAN: Asked. No, I want to ask you a follow up specifically about the Egyptian planes, given you’ve now addressed it, which is where is the evidence that any of these Egyptian planes were tracking Erika Kirk?

The Egyptian Planes Theory

CANDACE OWENS: I am going to be publishing the full document because there’s not even just two planes, there’s actually four planes that have been flying in. And I should be more thorough because I realize that this—

PIERS MORGAN: I’m tracking Erika Kirk.

CANDACE OWENS: Not—let’s—let me—can I just please, without you cutting me off, like answer one thing. Okay, thank you. These Egyptian planes, more broadly speaking, now that we have gone deeper onto the planes, recognizing that the reaction to them is not normal, what we can say is that the Egyptian planes are tied to Israel. They’ve been flying in that of Israel with their transponder off for years.

But regarding the Turning Point USA picture, more broadly speaking, Turning Point USA Faith—okay, obviously Erika has been involved in a lot of the church stuff. It’s not specifically tracking just Erika, it’s Turning Point faith events, broadly speaking. I gave that information as well. I told Justin Strife and Erika, I’m happy to give you this color coded spreadsheet.

There’s no question there’s a correlation here between Turning Point USA Faith in particular, which by the way, from the beginning of this I’ve said something is wrong with this faith contingent, especially because Rob McCoy for a while was heading up that department and he makes my skin crawl. And so yeah, I have the evidence for that and we’re going to actually publish it on our website, no question. Which I should have done from the very beginning. Let me ask you—

PIERS MORGAN: Showing that these planes were tracking Charlie at various times there were—

CANDACE OWENS: Erika, is various times there where Rob McCoy is? But the consistent thread here is faith—faith events like Kingdom to the Capitol Tour.

PIERS MORGAN: Assuming you’re right, and I don’t know, but I know Erika Kirk, when asked about this said on CBS, “If you want to go through my flight log, go right ahead. It’s very boring.” You Candice, say “I was here on this date.” I have a photo on my phone to prove I was actually in hospital having contractions. So that’s one thing she directly repudiated. Let’s assume for a moment you’re right and that all these Egyptian planes were flying around tracking Charlie Kirk and Turning Point Faith and Erika Kirk. Why? What is your theory?

CANDACE OWENS: I don’t know. I don’t know.

PIERS MORGAN: What’s your theory then it must be—you must have an idea of what the theory is.

CANDACE OWENS: That we should investigate everything strange that happened on that day so we can figure out what happened.

PIERS MORGAN: But are you suggesting that—are you suggesting why is—

CANDACE OWENS: Everybody—so why are we pretending that we don’t know why we ask questions like why you’re a journalist, you know, what the—you’re like, what’s going on? What’s going on? How do you want to know why these planes were tracking Charlie?

Well, my theory is that we are being sold absolute Fed slop. The media is doing their Operation Mockingbird Part 2 scenario by telling us, well, unless you absolutely have a conclusion, you can’t even ask the question. Yes, we—very—

PIERS MORGAN: Well. But it may—

CANDACE OWENS: Be. Can we keep asking consistent questions until we get a clarified explanation for what happened on that day? And right now, we have nothing. Okay? And that is the reason why people are watching my show, because I’m the only one not treating them like they’re absolute idiots who don’t have two eyes, who believe in magic bullet, and who understand that Egyptian planes should not have been tracking Charlie even three times this year would be an anomaly.

PIERS MORGAN: Anomaly.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay? They’ve been tracking him. We don’t know where it’s going to happen, but we are going to keep asking questions until we get clear answers.

“Spewing Bullshit”

PIERS MORGAN: Candace, it may be that the person in the media spewing bullshit to the public is you.

CANDACE OWENS: No. Nice try. It’s not. It could be saying, “Why are you asking questions? Don’t you worry about Mikey’s feelings.” Everyone knows what this is. And like I said, because we have the example, the concrete example, of after JFK’s assassination, the media members quite literally being put on the payroll of the CIA. We have a historical example that we can look at and go, we’re not doing that again.

Doesn’t matter how many times you keep telling the public that I’m spewing bullshit. It is only because there has not been anything that has come out of this investigation that makes any sense that the public is not listening to—I am sorry to say this, Piers. People like you.

And what I love about you and I sitting down is that this exact same time last year, you were doing the same weird questioning and making all these things when I said that they were committing a holocaust against the Gazans. And then you changed your mind.

PIERS MORGAN: Actually, this—

CANDACE OWENS: Time. I’ll see you next year when you change your mind again and we have more information about what happened. And you realize that the difference between me and you is that I have the courage to take the risks and ask the questions first. Okay? Before it’s popular. You wait until it becomes popular and then you change your mind.

The Brigitte Macron Case

PIERS MORGAN: You may remember that one of your courageous moves was to repeatedly tell the world that Brigitte Macron is a man. As you now know, she is—as you now know, we had a $300,000 bet to charity about this because she’s a woman.

CANDACE OWENS: Yes. It’s my view she’s not a woman.

PIERS MORGAN: Well, we’re going to find out, is the point, because it’s going to court. They’re suing you. And when she proves, as she will, that she’s a woman, because it’s very easy to prove and you lose that case, then—

CANDACE OWENS: So easy that she refused for years.

PIERS MORGAN: But then it will become more obvious to people that, look, I think you’re a brilliant operator at what you do. You know, I like you personally. You know that, right? None of this is personal for me about you at all. I just have watched in the last year from Brigitte Macron, now into the Charlie Kirk story.

I think you’ve developed a modus operandi which, to put it politely, is you flying what we would call in the world of journalism kites and just seeing what can cause the most merry hell, therefore get you the biggest audience, therefore make you the most amount of money.

And people have, as you know, you’ve been widely attacked now by a lot of people who say that you’re just a ghoul, a vulture. You’re doing this deliberately. You’re inventing things or just flying ludicrous conspiracy theories to make money. Now, again, Candice, I don’t know that you are.

CANDACE OWENS: I do know.

PIERS MORGAN: Celebrity. Can you—

The Money Question

CANDACE OWENS: Not. I do think the—it’s pretty rich. It’s pretty rich coming from you is all I’m going to say. That’s me putting it very nicely, given your background, your career, your celebrity involvement, the diet of Princess Diana. Wrong messenger is what I’ll say right off the top. Okay, wrong messenger.

What? You are mistaking, or I guess we’re not even mistaken, because you know what this is. You’re talking about power versus the people. And you are always on the side of power. First, you’re on the side of the Israelis. It’s so horrible. And, oh, I’m going to pretend I don’t see tens of thousands of Gazans dying.

PIERS MORGAN: I’ve actually been very critical of the Israelis, as you know. I’ve actually been very critical of the Israeli government.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay. It’s very easy to present photos of 30 years of your life. Brigitte keeps teasing. Oh, I’m going to—where? I’m going to—

PIERS MORGAN: Brigitte. You’re going to find—

CANDACE OWENS: We asked you for some photos and you—

PIERS MORGAN: We’re going to find—

CANDACE OWENS: Everybody knows. We’re going to find out was not shot by Tyler Robinson on a rooftop. I am sorry that in this day and age there seems to be such a shortage of testosterone that a woman has to be the person that states the obvious. Right?

I invite you to join me and I know that you will by the end of next year because they’re not going to get away with what they did to my friend Charlie Kirk. And I am not going to change my mind, least of all when I am being called names by someone who has quite a year background and experience in doing things because it’s lucrative and not always because it’s sensitive.

PIERS MORGAN: Sure, you can call me a hypocrite as much as you want. I don’t care. It’s fine. I’m just simply saying what other people have been saying about you. I didn’t say I felt that.

CANDACE OWENS: Thank you. I said I’ll let you know people are saying about—

PIERS MORGAN: You. I read it like you, I read it all the time. But I would say that, like I said at the start of this interview, I don’t know whether any of the things you’re saying are true or not. I just do know you’re saying a huge amount of stuff. It’s making you very wealthy. You’re getting millions and millions of people coming in. Which, by the way, what is—

CANDACE OWENS: This idea that’s making me very welcome. Can you explain that slowly?

The Alex Jones Comparison

PIERS MORGAN: Yes, I’m going to explain it to you slowly because I had a huge run in, for example, just like a talking point. No, no, I’m going to explain exactly what I mean. When Sandy Hook happened and Alex Jones began weaponizing the Sandy Hook tragedy and weaponizing the grief of the poor parents who’d lost their children. And I began to attack him in public and eventually there was a court case and it turned out he’d been spewing deliberate lies and that every time he spewed them, they found he made hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in the immediate aftermath of spewing the repeated lies, that it was all staged and the families were actors and so on, which he knew to be lies, and he made himself extremely rich and ended up with a billion dollar defamation finding against him because he’d been deliberately weaponizing people’s grief. And the charge—

CANDACE OWENS: I’m asking you to explain the—

PIERS MORGAN: I’m speaking to you, the analogy, which is there are, as you know right now, a lot of people, from Tim Pool to the New York Post to others who’ve come out very stridently in the last week alone in the last week and say that’s exactly what you’ve been doing with Erika Kirk.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, but you haven’t answered the question. So this is just made up. As I said, this is a soft fluff. You’re suggesting that I’m making money. Did I sign a new advertiser? Are we meeting more? Are we reading more ad? Do we put this somewhere else?

PIERS MORGAN: The more views you get on YouTube, the more money you get.

CANDACE OWENS: I sell a T-shirt. Okay, but, like, come on now, Piers. Money on YouTube? Are you kidding me? I was already in a top 10 podcast global before Charlie Kurt was assassinated. And if you think that I would want my friend to be assassinated so I could go from being in the top five to being number one, you’re out of your mind.

PIERS MORGAN: I’m telling you. I’m telling you. I’m telling you.

CANDACE OWENS: The point is that nobody, everyone who is saying that I’m making more money cannot say how I’m making more money. That’s just not true. Okay, so you’re like, oh, she got a bump in viewership.

PIERS MORGAN: Talking all your YouTube numbers.

CANDACE OWENS: Everyone in the world, because it was a public assassination.

PIERS MORGAN: Are—

CANDACE OWENS: In the weeks following went back to normal.

PIERS MORGAN: Candace, are your YouTube numbers up since you’ve been doing the Charlie Kirk investigations?

CANDACE OWENS: What I am saying to you is that this is the exact same argument you guys had about Brigitte. So it can’t. And then the same exact thing you were lying about Bridget.

PIERS MORGAN: Blake Lively thing.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay, but, like, what about the Blake Lively thing? So you can’t keep saying that. Oh, she’s always in the top 10 because she’s talking about something. Or. I’m just. This is my podcast, and it’s me. It’s just me. People enjoy my podcast because I don’t treat them like they’re idiots. I don’t treat them like they should accept that Brigitte Crone just can’t present one photo of herself raising her kids across 30 years. It’s just too much to ask. Ridiculous. How dare you? It’s not privacy. She’d rather file a transatlantic lawsuit than to just produce photos and put all of this to bed between you and I.

So now there’s this lie, this repeat lie from Kamala Chronicles, which we did, looking into Kamala’s background because it was relevant to the election cycle. Then we did the Blake Lively lawsuit, and they said she’s trying to change her brand. That’s the only reason her numbers are up. Then we went to Brigitte, which I lost, by the way. I had to get a whole career change when I first covered that story. So jokes on me if I’m doing this to make money, but I was willing to be fired to tell the truth.

And then it’s all about Brigitte. And now we’ve arrived at Charlie Kirk. I feel like there’s something about that that actually is just people not being willing to admit that what people appreciate about me and why they keep coming back is that I’m willing to take risks to tell the truth.

PIERS MORGAN: No, I think. Don’t get me wrong.

CANDACE OWENS: I think I was already sold out at the end of the year because our podcast was successful. I have not sold a T-shirt. Nothing with his name on it. It’s just me.

Weaponizing Grief

PIERS MORGAN: Candace, the reason I told the Alex Jones story is he did incredibly well out of Sandy Hook with his investigations. But as was established in the court case against him brought by the families eventually, and I think we’re going to see the same thing with Brigitte Macron and you, is that he was weaponizing deliberate lies for money. And I think you—

CANDACE OWENS: Brigitte Macron has a penis.

PIERS MORGAN: I really want to have a—

CANDACE OWENS: Penis. Brigitte Macron has a penis.

PIERS MORGAN: No, she doesn’t.

CANDACE OWENS: I’m sorry. She had three children.

PIERS MORGAN: Did she get it removed? She had three children.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. You can have adoptive children. You can call somebody, but Brigitte Macron was born a dude named John Michel Trognell. And I just feel—I want you to know that. I want you to know that Brigitte Macron probably stands peeing up.

PIERS MORGAN: Probably. The beauty is. The beauty is we have a—I think we have a big bet and we’re going to find out because he’s going to court. And you know you will lose that court case. I think you know you will.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. I am not going to lose a court case because Brigitte is presenting evidence that Brigitte was born a woman because that’s never even been offered. That’s just their PR coming after and saying these things. Nobody believes that. Brigitte Macron is just unable to present any pictures. Nobody’s asking for blood.

PIERS MORGAN: All right, let’s wait for the court case. Let’s wait for the court case.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay, great. And you will be proven wrong again in the fallout. Federal corruption.

Critics Weigh In

PIERS MORGAN: Okay. In the fallout from your encounter with Erika Kirk, Nick Fuentes said, “Candace Owens is done. All out. What a letdown. Lol.” Tim Pool has called you evil. He says you’re motivated by the fact you were secretly in love with Charlie Kerr. Is that true?

CANDACE OWENS: This is such ridiculous. This is what I mean when I say, like—it’s like, lol. Fed flop. Oh, did Tim Pool—did Tim Pool say that I was secretly in love with him? This is—it’s so—come on. There’s no substance to this. This is so ridiculous. By any means necessary. Come out and attack Candace.

The New York Post did an article that I—it was honestly amazing fan fiction. They even said that I—we used to work at Daily Wire. I’d throw my keys at my staff, and my staff hated me. I did not drive to work a single day when I was at Daily Wire. They had a driver take me there. So we’re just now in this weird spot where they’re just making things up every single day. They said that my husband had a Qatari passport. And I just ignore it. And I keep investigating because I know what it’s meant to do. It’s meant to distract me. I’m very aware of what these people are trying to do, and it’s not working. So I don’t really feel—

PIERS MORGAN: Which of your theories—

CANDACE OWENS: Which of your theories went as a Tim—

PIERS MORGAN: Pool? All right. Which of your theories, when you were with Erika, did she think was convincing?

CANDACE OWENS: We didn’t. What do you mean by that?

PIERS MORGAN: Did she think that Israel was involved? Did she think that there were French paratroopers involved? Did she think the Egyptian planes were complicit? Did she believe that Turning Point employees were involved? Which of the many theories—

CANDACE OWENS: I wasn’t, I—

PIERS MORGAN: I guess. Did she think she’s actually got any merits?

CANDACE OWENS: I think you’re characterizing it like I sat down and tried to convince her of my theories. That wasn’t the nature of the meeting that we had. I shared information with her and told her what the feds were ignoring. And these are the things I’m looking into. Obviously explained to her about the Egyptian plains and this bizarre connection to Turning Point faith events and tours and—yeah, I mean, it was kind of like sharing the information with her. So there was nothing that—

PIERS MORGAN: But again, here’s my problem, Candice, with the whole thing.

CANDACE OWENS: I don’t know what to say.

PIERS MORGAN: Everything is like—you’re just asking questions. You’re sharing information. You’re doing it. But when I actually ask you to be specific about, well, who do you think did what? That’s where it all hits a shuddering halt. You don’t know, do you? You don’t actually know anything.

The Investigation Continues

CANDACE OWENS: Of course, if I actually knew who shot Charlie Kirk, I would be instantly publicizing it. I’d say, I figured it out. I figured it out. That’s not how an investigation works. Piers just doesn’t work like that. Okay? You have to follow the clues until you arrive at a conclusion.

Of course, I cannot confidently state that it was John Smith, who shot Charlie Kirk from the left side. I don’t know that yet. I don’t know that information yet. And when I do know it, I will publicize it without question. I just am pointing out the inconsistencies, the lies. He was not shot with .30-06 and he did not have a man of steel neck. How do you know that’s completely made up?

Well, actually, that’s going to be my show today. I do now factually know that that man of steel thing was made up, and that never came from the surgeon’s mouth. So again, we have another lie. We have another lie coming out of Turning Point USA put in quotation marks that lie, that it was a direct quote from the surgeon that was made up.

So, yeah, I’m going to keep track of all of these lies, deliver them to the public and allow them to surmise. I’m going to allow them to think critically while it’s still legal. I know it’s barely legal in the UK and it’s becoming increasingly less legal here in the United States. So I’m going to use every opportunity to ask every—

The Burial Question and Milo’s Claims

PIERS MORGAN: Question. Okay. Pre the meeting with Erika, you repeatedly questioned why we weren’t being told where Charlie Kirk is buried or even if he has been buried yet. Did you get those answers?

CANDACE OWENS: That’s—you have the wrong commentator who questioned that. I think that was Milo Yiannopoulos.

PIERS MORGAN: You’ve never questioned. You’ve ever asked where Charlie’s buried?

CANDACE OWENS: Nope. I just communicated to the people that he had a Catholic funeral mass, which, because people were saying I was lying about him going to a Catholic church, which was another random attack that I had to endure. So I never said that people don’t know where Charlie Kirk’s buried. That’s just the wrong commentary, wrong commentator.

PIERS MORGAN: Do you know where he’s been buried?

CANDACE OWENS: I actually genuinely never got to that question with Erika, but I do know where he’s—I think the implication that Milo made, again, you have to ask him, was that he’s not buried. I do know where there is a spot for him to be buried or to be held in a mausoleum, but I never—that’s just—yeah, you have the wrong person on that.

PIERS MORGAN: Erika was emphatic in the CBS thing that she wanted you to stop with the conspiracy theories, or maybe you’ve got it all right? And all of this stuff is true, and it’s all involving the Israelis and Egypt and Turning Point in a mass conspiracy with this young kid, Tyler Robinson, brought in, and they’re all involved in this dramatic murder of Charlie Kirk.

Maybe you’re—let’s just assume for a moment you’re 100% right. But she did tell you publicly before you met, to stop. What’s clear is you’re not going to stop. So is she okay with you now continuing to talk about your theories, or does she still want you to stop?

CANDACE OWENS: Well, she didn’t ask me to stop, if that’s the question that you’re asking. Is throughout that meeting, did you stop?

PIERS MORGAN: Well, she did publicly, obviously. So your response to that is what?

CANDACE OWENS: I’m telling you, that then we had a conversation, and I was not asked throughout that conversation to stop. And to the contrary, I shared information that I had and I got information from them.

PIERS MORGAN: Right. That helps. So you will carry—you will carry on. You will carry on with the theories?

CANDACE OWENS: Until I feel confident of who killed Charlie Kirk, I will not stop investigating this.

PIERS MORGAN: And Erika is okay with you doing that?

CANDACE OWENS: I just—I don’t know how many other ways to answer your question other than saying she did not ask me or request for me to stop in person. And we spoke about that moment. She felt that Bari Weiss was being Bari Weiss, and she made no request of you whatsoever.

PIERS MORGAN: Erika Kirk in four and a half hours?

CANDACE OWENS: Request in what sense?

PIERS MORGAN: Of how she would like you to conduct yourself about the murder of her husband going forward?

CANDACE OWENS: No.

PIERS MORGAN: Nothing at all?

CANDACE OWENS: No, she didn’t make a request for me to conduct myself.

PIERS MORGAN: She expressed no concern about any of the theories that you’ve been—

CANDACE OWENS: I think she probably knows me through the lens of her husband, so I don’t know if that would be a thing that she would have done. But, no, she did not. She did not ask me to conduct myself in any way. That seems to just be coming from the media of how I should conduct myself.

The Web of Suspects

PIERS MORGAN: Am I right in thinking that your mind has taken you to a place where you genuinely believe that Israel, Egypt, Turning Point employees, and Tyler Robinson and potentially others, but they were all involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk?

CANDACE OWENS: Well, to be fair, I think we’re all putting Egypt in parentheses because we kind of don’t think that we have exactly a strong Egyptian lobby here in the United States. And there is a lot of historical precedent with Israel kind of using Egyptian planes or using the Egyptian narrative when they want to accomplish things. So, I mean, I just pointed out that this is an Egyptian plane, but I—Israel. I got tons of questions about.

Yeah, I think Israel is a very good place to start when Bibi Netanyahu is just denying and just way too involved in the beginning. That was weird. Everyone felt it was weird and they were right to feel that it was weird. And when Bibi admits that he called him two weeks before and invited him to Israel, like, what’s that about? People are being—and also because it just happens to be that from the very beginning, Zionists don’t want us investigating the Charlie Kirk assassination. So it’s just, I would say the usual suspects.

You are correct that I have and sent information and it has not been denied by the Elysée Palace, the White House or the Pentagon that the French Foreign Legion was on the ground that day. Again, something that I flagged to Turning Point USA, Justin Strife, that for whatever reason, the feds don’t want this information, which is a bit strange or don’t seem to be interested or maybe so we—

PIERS MORGAN: Add the French Foreign Legion to the list as well?

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, but the French Foreign Legion is like a bandit of, you know, I mean, what I’ve learned about them now is it’s like it’s a bunch of different countries, it’s not just French people. And, yeah, that all sounds about right to me. Is there anything else I can answer?

The Challenge and the Deal

PIERS MORGAN: You know, I think we probably covered it. It’s a lot of people involved in this murder. And my guess, Candice, for what it’s worth, is it’ll turn out none of that is true and that it was Tyler Robinson who, for his own politically motivated reasons, hence brandishing the bullet casings with words like anti-fascist slogans and so on, that’s why he did it. He believed that he’d been led to believe Charlie Kirk was a fascist, so he had to kill him.

Which is a different issue about why I feel so strongly that these words shouldn’t be banded about, because in deranged young minds, it can have that effect on them. We see it time and again. But look, if it turns out that you’re right and that Charlie Kirk was murdered by a group of people, including the French Foreign Legion, Egypt, Israel, Turning Point, his own employees, and they were all in on this to murder Charlie Kirk, you will be proven 100% right, and I will be the first to salute your brilliant investigative journalism.

But in return, if it turns out you’re completely wrong, then I would expect you to come back on Uncensored and admit you were completely wrong. Is that a fair deal?

CANDACE OWENS: I was hoping that by the time we did this, I’d be able to do that because they showed me something that was so compelling that didn’t happen. So, yeah, deal is on. As always between you and I, the deal is on.

Closing Remarks

PIERS MORGAN: Excellent. I’ll add it to the list. Candice, I want to wish you a merry Christmas. We’re both Christians. We have that in common. And it’s always good to have you on Uncensored. I’ll tell you, I’ll say, Mr. Bay, I’ll say this to everyone. You come and do these things. You don’t duck them, you don’t shirk them, you don’t hide away. You stand behind what you say.

My only question for you, it’s not for you, it’s about you, is when people say to me, “Do you think she believes this stuff?” I don’t know. I don’t know if you do or not. I know that Alex Jones didn’t—

CANDACE OWENS: It’s so fun being the lone person to be attacked every second and every minute of every day that I just like, you know what? This is so fun for me. I love it. I love the threat of losing your job and people going after your sponsors and having to worry about your security. It’s so fun.

You know, it would be so easy. I would be a billionaire. I’d be on the cover of Vogue magazine if I would just say the thing. If I would just be a federal operative and tell people to trans their kids and tell them like Brigitte’s like a really beautiful woman and tell them that Charlie Kirk was shot by one person on a rooftop with impeccable luck who scaled the rooftop like Spider-Man. That’s the easier route in life.

Unfortunately, spiritually, I can’t do it. I’m just my granddad’s granddaughter and he couldn’t lie. I can’t lie. And I don’t want my kids to grow up in a world where a bunch of freaks and pedophiles are in power, which is in the circumstances we live in today. We cannot live in a world where Jeffrey Epstein is being protected by the government and Charlie Kirk is being publicly assassinated. I can’t do it. I won’t do it. And let the chips fall where they may.

PIERS MORGAN: Candice Owens, always good to have you on Uncensored. Thank you very much.

CANDACE OWENS: Always a pleasure.

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