Transcript: Kim Kardashian’s Interview on Call Her Daddy Podcast

It was going online, and they were just asking, “How does it feel, Khloé, to just look so different than Kourtney and Kim?”

And it was just the way that they were asking questions. It was just that you could never get away with that today.

ALEX COOPER: It is crazy. I have seen so many people’s interviews pop back up from the old days, and you’re thinking, wait, she said what? To her, whether it was about weight.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Looks. It was about weight. It was about looks. It was about everything. And it was just so crazy that that’s what it just was okay at that time.

ALEX COOPER: It also makes me so sad, and I would love to hear how you, as a sister, supported her. When I interviewed Khloé, she now has such a lightness about the topic because time has gone on where she was saying, “Oh, my God. I used to get all this shit about me, and it hurt back then, but now I’m so secure in myself.” But in those moments in interviews, were you aware people were doing that to her?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No, no, no. Maybe sometimes. But because her responses were so great, though. She’d be saying, “Wait, what? What you’re asking.” She was saying, “I can’t believe you’re asking me this. This is insane.”

And I can’t believe, I mean, I guess Kourtney and I should have maybe stuck up for her publicly a little bit more. When that was happening, I think we just wanted to—we didn’t know. These are our first set of interviews, our first time on these shows. What can we say? What can’t we? But just to look back and to know that that’s how interviews were conducted is kind of crazy.

ALEX COOPER: It’s beyond inappropriate.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

Breaking the Internet

ALEX COOPER: Okay. So that’s the negative side. The other side is how many times you’ve broken the Internet. There are too many to count.

KIM KARDASHIAN: It’s so fun to do that. It is.

ALEX COOPER: You’re so good at it. You’re really good at it, sweetie. So keep it going. But you’ve done it so many times. What do you think has been your most favorite moment?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, maybe when we did the Paper magazine cover and we came up with that phrase, “break the Internet.”

ALEX COOPER: Will forever. I was literally thinking about it. I think that’s how I’m going to tease this episode. I’m going to try to balance a glass on my—I don’t think it’s going to even stay for a f*ing second, but I’m going to do my best. Did you actually balance it on your ass, or is that full Photoshop?

KIM KARDASHIAN: We had a padding, and then we put it on top because it had to sit perfectly straight. So you can tell that’s not my ass. It’s a padding with that.

But I just remember that shoot was so crazy because I was having dinner with my mom right after. I went and worked with Jean-Paul Goude, who does the craziest shoots. And it was one shot, and I pulled him aside, and I was saying, “Hey, it’s me. There’s no publicist here. There’s no one here. You want to shoot one more, something other than just this one shot?”

And the one shot was, I think, the one with the glass on my butt. But I was saying, “Let’s do something else.” So he’s thinking, “Okay.” And he had to go back, sketch it out, think about it, and was saying, “Let’s rip it off or something.” And I was saying, “I’m down.”

And then I go to dinner with my mom later. She’s asking, “How was the shoot?” And I was saying, “Oh, it was good. Whatever.” And then when that shoot came out, I was living at my mom’s house, and I just remember her screaming down the hall, “What did you do?”

And I just was saying, “What?” She’s saying, “That’s what you did the night we had dinner. And you didn’t even mention to me that this was what you were doing in the shoot.” And I was saying, “I didn’t think it was that big of a deal.”

ALEX COOPER: Dude, you’re—

KIM KARDASHIAN: She was pissed.

ALEX COOPER: She’s saying, “Kim, how many times is this going to happen in my life?” She’s also saying, “Okay, send me my 10%.”

KIM KARDASHIAN: Totally. We give her heart attacks. But it’s gotten so far, I don’t know how I would deal as a mom. I’m going to have to.

ALEX COOPER: Well, you’re going to have to.

KIM KARDASHIAN: You do.

ALEX COOPER: We’ll get to that. But do you think your mom is unfazed now? Is there anything you actually could do that your mom would be saying, “Actually, what the f*?”

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think every time we say that, something comes up and then it’s, “What the f*?” But there is this thing where we are a little bit desensitized.

I said today, “You guys, holy f*ing shit. Mom, you’re on a Vogue cover. Kendall, you’re on a Vogue cover. A Vogue cover that I did came out today. Are we going to lose our minds in our family chat today?” Because how are three family members on the same month of different Vogues? That’s just such a trip to me. This can never get old.

ALEX COOPER: Such a good point.

KIM KARDASHIAN: And so we do talk about stuff like that.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, good. Because I feel like when you become more normalized to things and desensitized, you can forget that. No, this is iconic. Yes. Maybe the first cover of Vogue was iconic, but then also, again, being on Vogue is still iconic and you can still celebrate.

KIM KARDASHIAN: It’s still just nothing in this life will ever get old. It’s so good to me.

The Diamond Earring Incident

ALEX COOPER: Okay, I want to go through some of my favorite moments similar to that cover that I just think everyone on the Internet will remember, especially if they were from OG days. We’re going to start with the classic, okay, losing your diamond earring in Bora Bora. Through and through. It is a viral TikTok audio still now. It has been repurposed. People love it. Is there anything that you can tell us about that moment that we don’t know about or even just a memory from it?

KIM KARDASHIAN: That was one of my first biggest purchases. So they weren’t insured yet. That’s why I was so upset, is because that would be money down the drain. If I insured them, then I can just claim them, and then I could have gotten my money back, but I hadn’t insured them. I got them that week.

Kylie dove down, found it with her goggles in the ocean, and then went back and found the earring back. So I have the full exact earring.

ALEX COOPER: Wait, and which—I forget which sister was giving you shit.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Kourtney. It’s always Kourtney. Yeah. Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: I shouldn’t have even asked.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: I knew it in my heart.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. What is something in your closet now that you, if you lost, would have a similar level crash out?

The Hermès Birkin Drama

KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh, I have a level of that. A bag that I just got into a fight with a sister mom fight over that I crashed out. So it’s a long story.

ALEX COOPER: Okay.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I had this bag, this Hermès Birkin shoulder bag. JPG designed, 90s. I had one. They only made five versions of it. So I was thinking, “Oh, I want to collect every one,” but they’re so rare, you can never find them. Do I send a picture of it to my mom and tell her, or is she going to copy me on this?

ALEX COOPER: Did she often copy? Okay.

KIM KARDASHIAN: So I was thinking, “Okay, you know what? F* it. I’m going to send her the picture. I’m going to say, ‘Hey, here’s the campaign. Here’s the runway images. Here’s the bag. If you ever find it, I want it.'”

So I go to her house. And I decided I was busy studying, and I said, “I’m not going to respond to my texts or anything for two weeks.” So the store texts me and says, “We found the bag. It’s here. Do you want it?”

I wrote back, negotiated, got the price down, forgot to respond to say, “Yes, I want it.” Because then I said, “I’m putting my phone down for this last week, that I really need to focus,” which I’ve never done in my life. So I was thinking, “I don’t care who it is. I’m not responding.”

See, my mom and Khloé. And my mom goes, “Oh, it’s one of your sister’s birthday. Who wants to go in on a bag?” And then she goes, “Oh,” and talks to Khloé and was saying—

ALEX COOPER: So I was thinking, “Oh, my God. She got me the bag for my birthday.”

KIM KARDASHIAN: And she just got it early, and she’s going to hold on to it. Okay. I’m not for sure. I’m not going to respond, because I know she just got me the bag. I can tell by what she just did.

Anyway, Kylie posts this bag for her birthday, being saying, “Thanks, mom, whatever, for the bag.” I call my mom, and I’m saying, “Are you f*ing kidding me?” I turn into a monster. I have rage. And I’m rage texting her. And my mom’s saying, “I have no idea what you’re talking about. Kylie just sent me a birthday list.”

I go, “No, no, no. I have the same birthday list. It’s not on there.” “Oh, I must have a different one.” I call her assistant. Not on there. She’s saying, “Kim, I have no clue what you’re talking about.”

I go, “Mom, I had a full conversation with you.” So I find it. I screenshot it. I screenshot my conversation with the store about whatever, the whole thing.

ALEX COOPER: You’re such a receipts girl. I can already feel it. You’re saying, “Let me show you the exact time you did this.”

KIM KARDASHIAN: I did, and I was raging.

ALEX COOPER: Wait, so does Kylie have it?

KIM KARDASHIAN: She has it, but she doesn’t even know that we had this whole fight. So can I tell you the sweetest thing?

ALEX COOPER: Yeah.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Khloé goes, “Kim, I feel so bad. I never knew that you were obsessed, but I kind of knew you were obsessed because your whole team said, ‘If you ever find this bag, if anyone wants to get one for Kim for her birthday, get it.'”

So Khloé goes, “Come over. I got you one for your birthday, and I’m going to give it to you months early because I feel so bad.” And she gave it to me.

ALEX COOPER: Khloé is such a real one.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, dude.

The Favorite Sister

ALEX COOPER: And Kylie probably. Has she used it yet? She doesn’t even know.

KIM KARDASHIAN: She doesn’t even know we’re fighting over it. It is so ridiculous over a bag. But it was my most recent crush out.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. So is Kylie the favorite?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think a little bit. And I think that that’s okay. I think she’s the baby, and I think that. But I think it’s warranted. I think she has a really close relationship with my mom and is really sweet. I think Chloe’s also a big favorite. I don’t know. She has a different relationship with everyone, but I would say it’s Kylie and Chloe.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. Okay. 2011, we’re going back. Any memories getting your butt X-rayed to prove it was real? I think this was, wasn’t that—

KIM KARDASHIAN: Ridiculous or just that season six, that’s a thing, you know? But it was fun. I think we even said, oh, my gosh, let’s go do this.

ALEX COOPER: I remember that broke the Internet kind of because everyone was like, what a concept that she’s—

KIM KARDASHIAN: And an X-ray. Yeah.

Keeping Everything

ALEX COOPER: Okay. Taking selfies on the way to drop Chloe off at jail. Will never forget. Kim, stop taking selfies.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I found so many of those in my computer. I keep everything.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. I was going to ask you. So you have it.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I have all of them. Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: So when I know, everyone knows. Paris always iconically talks about how she has all of the laptops almost per boyfriend, and she keeps everything. So you have—

KIM KARDASHIAN: I have it all together on a hard drive and on my laptop. And I upload it. What I do on my plane rides and my spare time is I have folders of every person in my life that’s ever been in my life. Every family member, everything that ever, photo that goes on my phone, I upload them. So I just spend time. So each kid has every single year in picture form, video form. Every video that I’ve ever taken. Every event, every ex-boyfriend, everything. Every everything.

ALEX COOPER: Because you kind of have to keep it.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I saved everything.

ALEX COOPER: You’re a receipts queen. You know, that’s the thing.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: Oh, I keep screenshots of conversations.

KIM KARDASHIAN: If they’re cute conversations. Mine are a little, I keep them just as sweet memories to remember. I do have a problem of only remembering the good. That’s something that is a thing.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. I mean, I guess that’s better than only remembering the bad.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: But I could see where that could go wrong, where someone comes back in your life and everyone’s like, no, can. They literally fed you over. But I feel like you wouldn’t go back to someone that fed you over. Or would you?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I’m a really forgiving person, but I really haven’t dated that to have those kinds of toxic relationships since I’ve been divorced, you know? I feel like that dating world is so, from when I remember I would have. It would have been I would have been way younger. And I think when you get older, you just don’t tolerate that shit.

The All-Black Met Gala Look

ALEX COOPER: You don’t have time. You know, your 2021 all black Met Gala look. Okay, talk to me about when you went inside. Did you take it off and then—

KIM KARDASHIAN: No.

ALEX COOPER: So did you not eat?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No.

ALEX COOPER: You didn’t drink?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No.

ALEX COOPER: You just kept this thing on all night? Yeah. No one saw your face?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No. I was committed, Kim.

ALEX COOPER: Well, we know you always commit.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I always committed. I was really nervous wearing that. And Demna, the designer, was really good at. Okay. You don’t really have to wear the mask, but let’s talk about it. Let’s think it through. Let’s, you know, and that was the thing. And he was like, I’ll wear one, and we’ll just, like. You know, he doesn’t really like to. He’s really uncomfortable with those events and really being out. So I was like, okay, perfect. If you’re here with me. And then, you know.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. There were rumors that you wore it over your face because you had gotten a facelift that year. Confirm or deny?

KIM KARDASHIAN: That’s insane. I would absolutely love to show it off if I did, but no, I didn’t.

ALEX COOPER: It was for the fashion.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I would. That was years ago. I would have been, I don’t know, maybe people do them earlier these days. But no.

Dealing with Rumors

ALEX COOPER: What is a recent rumor that you’ve heard about yourself that actually pissed you off?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Maybe it would annoy me back in the day if it would link me to people that I had never met or been with or if I had just met someone and sat next to them and said hi. And then it was like, oh, they’re dating, or they slept together, and they’re just stuff that didn’t really happen. That kind of stuff used to bother me, but I don’t think anything really gets to me these days.

ALEX COOPER: Well, we’ll clear some of it up today. Don’t worry.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Call her.

ALEX COOPER: We’re going to play a game.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I love being in an interview where you don’t know what the questions are. Things can be so contrived these days and I love walking in, being like, ask anything and not. You’re relaxed, genuinely. It’s fun.

ALEX COOPER: I think it’s going to be good, this game. It’s going to get a little bit more heated. Okay, We’ve got this, Kim.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay.

Confess or Text: Keeping Up with the Kardashians Edition

ALEX COOPER: Okay. This is why I asked you to bring your phone into the interview.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay.

ALEX COOPER: It’s called Confess or Text Keeping Up with the Kardashians edition. Here’s how it works.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay.

ALEX COOPER: I am going to ask you a pretty juicy question.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay.

ALEX COOPER: You can answer it. We go to the next one.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay.

ALEX COOPER: If you pass on answering it, you are going to go into that bowl, you’re going to pick out a card, and it has a name and a text. You’ll be texting this person that text.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay. Okay.

ALEX COOPER: Are you ready? Do you have your phone?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes, I do. I do.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, ready? How much a year do you spend on glam?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, a lot, but if I’m filming my show, then they pay for it. If I’m working, then they pay for it. So I try to get it all paid for so that I don’t personally have to pay for it.

ALEX COOPER: Smart.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, but a tally, I mean, I don’t have a concept of what certain simple things cost, which really is, you know, I’d like to know a little bit more about what a milk carton costs. And, you know, let me think about this.

ALEX COOPER: You can text.

KIM KARDASHIAN: No, I mean, it’s probably you—

ALEX COOPER: Call your business manager.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, I should know this, actually.

ALEX COOPER: You should. Six figures, seven figures.

KIM KARDASHIAN: It could be a million dollars.

ALEX COOPER: You know, I don’t think I’d be surprised at that. Right? You got a lot cheap, babe.

KIM KARDASHIAN: It looks great, you know, but I don’t know.

ALEX COOPER: Are those K tips?

Hair Secrets and Beauty Routines

KIM KARDASHIAN: No, my hair is to here right now, so I just braided it up and glued them on top. There was this blonde. Chris Appleton was doing my hair once, and it was blonde. And everyone saw these tracks and everyone was like, what the f* is happening? But we slick my hair back and then glue it on.

ALEX COOPER: So you can maintain your hair.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, just so that I can.

ALEX COOPER: I think everyone always wonders, how do you get this?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I have really good hair. I have really good hair.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, so maybe a million dollars. Maybe 5.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Not 5.

ALEX COOPER: Not 5.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Not 5.

ALEX COOPER: Below 5. Maybe 1.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

What Should Have Gotten Her Canceled

ALEX COOPER: Okay, on to the next. What is something you probably should have gotten canceled for but didn’t?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I know what it is, and I think I’m going to get canceled if I say it.

ALEX COOPER: You’re not bringing that shit back up.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I don’t know who approved this, and I don’t know who thought that this was normal, this narrative, but I did a photo shoot with Justin Bieber and he was 16 years old, and I don’t know how old I was, and it was a play. His girlfriend was there, his parents. I mean, it was nothing creepy at all. But I look back and I’m like, that’s the one thing that I feel, he’s a good, dear friend of ours and the whole family, but who thought that that was a good idea? You know, I must have been 30 years old.

ALEX COOPER: You know, I could see that. I could see that getting murky.

KIM KARDASHIAN: But it was a story of what’s that story with the teacher and the student. The Graduate. The Graduate, yeah. Right. I just feel that was nothing ever weird was obviously happening. And I just think that was an odd concept and why none of us thought that that was odd at the time. But now we look back and I’m like, that would have not been the most appropriate thing.

Wait. But I’ve never really done anything to be canceled. I stand by everything that I’ve never said anything crazy. I’ve never done any. Maybe just by association, being around people and people thinking you’ve been on.

ALEX COOPER: The fringe a couple times. But it’s never really gotten what.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Do you think that I would have done?

ALEX COOPER: Well, I can’t say that. Tell me. No, I can’t say it. I don’t need a whole nation coming for me.

Pranking Kourtney

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay, Go text Kourtney. I just recorded Call Her Daddy and I want to give you a heads up of some things I said about you. And I don’t have edit control. I was on the phone with her walking in on the way here talking about editing and something for something else about editing.

ALEX COOPER: Oh, God. So she’ll believe this. This is kind of on brand.

KIM KARDASHIAN: She will fully believe this. Hey, I just recorded Call Her Daddy and I just want to give you a heads up on some things that I said about you, period. I don’t have edit control. I’m a big voice talker.

ALEX COOPER: I thought you were voice memoing her. Because that’s text.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, because if you say period, I’m not saying period.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, that’s good.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Let’s see what she said.

ALEX COOPER: Do you think she’s going to freak out?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No.

ALEX COOPER: But you guys are on good terms.

The Truth About Her Relationship with Kourtney

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes. That’s maybe a misconception that I think people think all the time. Kourtney and I are this. We are so close, and we’ve always been so close.

ALEX COOPER: I think it’s cause when we see you guys fight. But I have a sister to resolve.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I’ll leave it there, Sarah. She calls back, they don’t see the resolve or they don’t see all the moments in between. They just see us fighting and then they drag it on for months and we’re hanging out and we’ll be good. And then it’s just, I think sisters just. And if you’re so close and we grew up in the same room together, it’s just not. We would never not make up.

ALEX COOPER: Yeah.

KIM KARDASHIAN: And we make up really quickly, so it’s just kind of confusing or sad that to us that we think that people think that we’re not that close. We’re probably the closest.

ALEX COOPER: I think that makes a lot of sense. I do appreciate you clarifying that, because I wouldn’t have expected you to say you’re the closest, but I think.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think Khloe and I are the closest.

ALEX COOPER: Yes. But that second.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, her and I just have a lot of.

ALEX COOPER: Once she’s your older sister. Yeah, I have an older sister. And it’s, I can fight with her and be, I will never speak to you again. And then I’m, we. What was the link that you were texting your. And she’s, I thought we were done with each other. I’m, yeah, but we will be after this. Wait, Tell me. Okay.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Responding. No.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, good. Okay, well, next one.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay.

F*, Marry, Kill and More Pranks

ALEX COOPER: F*, Marry, Kill. X’s edition. Pete Davidson. Tom Brady. Chris Humphries.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think I’ll text on this one. I’ll get in way too much trouble there. Text Kylie. I’m sick to my stomach. I think mom has been doing some shady things with my money. Call me ASAP. Okay. I was just talking to her. Also. OMG. I’m sick to my stomach. I think mom has been doing some shady things with my money. Call me ASAP.

ALEX COOPER: That’s sneaky.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Smirk.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, wait back. One question, because even though you didn’t answer it, calling.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Should I just put my ringer on?

ALEX COOPER: Yeah. Okay, you have to tell me, how serious were you and Tom Brady?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh, my God.

ALEX COOPER: A date. Oh, you’re not going to answer that one.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I’m not going to answer. It’s perfect timing. Hi.

ALEX COOPER: Are you filming or something?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Hello?

ALEX COOPER: Filming or something.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Hold on. I’m doing the Call Her Daddy podcast, and I wouldn’t answer a private question, so I had to do that.

ALEX COOPER: We love you, Charlie. There’s no way.

KIM KARDASHIAN: And you’re too smart. You wouldn’t let her with you like that, Kris Jenner.

ALEX COOPER: See?

KIM KARDASHIAN: See?

ALEX COOPER: Bye, Ky.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay. Bye. Bye. Okay, wait.

ALEX COOPER: I want to come. I want to do this.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I want to do it. The podcast. Oh, this podcast. Yes.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, Kylie, you can come on next. Pull up.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Just pull up. Just pull up. We’ll make it a family.

ALEX COOPER: I’m roasting her right now.

KIM KARDASHIAN: She is. Hurry, help me.

ALEX COOPER: Bye. Pull up.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Bye. Love you.

Kris and Corey’s Relationship Status

ALEX COOPER: I love Kylie’s. This is what happened when Khloe was here. Your mom was, wait, I want to be there. You guys all get FOMO of each other. Okay. Are Corey and Kris still together?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. Isn’t that a weird one that it said that they broke up? I don’t know where that came from. Genuinely.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, so we can confirm.

KIM KARDASHIAN: No, genuinely.

Setting the Record Straight on Travis Barker

ALEX COOPER: In the past, have you ever hooked up with Travis Barker?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No, I never have. Absolutely. That I do not mind you asking. Okay. I never have, and that really sucks that that has gone on. But he dated Paris and we were all friends and we’d all hang out. And when I was with Paris, we’d be on the road and go to their tour in Amsterdam. And so I have been friends with him, but never in that way and never. Yeah, never hooked up with him.

ALEX COOPER: Did you have any heads up that you were going to be in his memoir, reference as the crush? No.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay. No, but I. It would say that we never hooked up. I mean, I don’t think he would allude to that information, you know, but also, Kourtney was around during that time, so they were neighbors for a decade. So when everyone was all hanging, he was always around with his kids. They’d always come to Kourtney’s house for all the birthdays. So it was everything was super open and cool and everyone’s been friends. He was just as good a friends with them as he was with all of us. So it was nothing weird.

Vegas Wedding and Wild Stories

ALEX COOPER: What is the dumbest decision you ever made on Molly?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think I got married in Vegas. You did? Yeah. Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: That’s what my research shows.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But that was also, I take all of my experiences. I said that. And I have to remember if I was at that moment or if we did it right after. But you know, maybe just in those days when that was a thing for me, just maybe getting married and not telling my parents and Kourtney finding it on the Internet because it was public record, and then telling my dad and, you know. Yeah, that’s pretty good. Yeah.

Addressing Dating Rumors

ALEX COOPER: There are rumors that you’ve hooked up with Post Malone. What is going on there?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Really?

ALEX COOPER: Yeah. I don’t know why I’ve never heard that. Maybe the Skims campaign.

KIM KARDASHIAN: But he is the nicest person ever. I will say we FaceTimed at his campaign during the Skims campaign, and he is the nicest human being. And I wrote in our family chat, and I wrote, oh, my God, you guys. We just shot Post for Skims. And he is the nicest human being. And then Kylie sends a picture at her 16th birthday, and she’s, do you remember when he performed at my 16th birthday? And then my brother goes, oh, my God. He used to sleep over, and we were. We would hang all the time. And then Scott would be, oh, my God. Yeah, remember? And I was, oh, my God. I had no idea. He was a part of our crew. And we all love him so much.

ALEX COOPER: He was one of my favorite interviews of all time.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Really?

ALEX COOPER: He is.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Did he say ma’am?

ALEX COOPER: I think I wanted someone to almost have a count of how many times he said ma’am. I was, don’t you feel so great? When he’s, oh, my God, I feel so proper and loved.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.

ALEX COOPER: Good vibes.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes. Good vibes.

Rapid Fire Questions

ALEX COOPER: Okay, what is the craziest place you’ve ever had sex?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Probably a movie theater.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. Fun.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. So fun.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, send one more text before we move on. You can pick which one you do. Take a couple.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay. Khloe, my friends are trying to set me up with this guy in the NBA. Honestly, what do you think? Should I go? She would absolutely know that’s a lie.

ALEX COOPER: She would. Yeah, because you’ve just, NBA is off limits. Okay, do it on.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Let’s see. Let’s assess.

ALEX COOPER: Yeah, let’s assess.

The Family Group Chat

KIM KARDASHIAN: To Kendall, “Why am I hearing rumors that you’re dating Tom Brady? Be honest. Would you hate me if I booked Bad Bunny for our next Skims campaign?” Okay, let’s see what our options are.

Okay, Scott, “I think I may be into this guy who’s a lot younger. From your experience, do you think I should go for it?” He’d be like, “Hell, yeah.”

“TMZ just reached out, called me ASAP.” I mean, I could do that. My mom will call me in one second thinking it’s about her.

Rob, “Hulu really wants you on the next season. How much would it cost to get you on the show?” He might be on the show this next season. I wonder what it costs. Who would be funner?

ALEX COOPER: Do you want to f* with your mom? Will she be funnier? So should we come up with a TMZ thing?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, but what would it be?

ALEX COOPER: Okay, what if—should we make it about her?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Obviously.

ALEX COOPER: There’s a leaked photo that’s going to come out of you, and they’re being really sus. And they won’t say what it is.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Should we see who calls back quicker, Chris or—

ALEX COOPER: Yes. And then I promise we’ll move on. You’re too fun because you have all these good sisters that will play game.

KIM KARDASHIAN: “OMG. TMZ just called me. Call me right now. I’m freaking the f* out.”

ALEX COOPER: How many times have you sent a text like that to your mother?

KIM KARDASHIAN: She’s either so desensitized. Okay, let’s see how quick it takes her to call me.

The TMZ Prank Call

ALEX COOPER: While we wait, you were 27 years old when Keeping Up with the Kardashians started, when you got this offer. Is it correct?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Quick. What do I say? What do I say?

ALEX COOPER: I’m freaking out. I’m just freaking out.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh, my God. I’m just freaking out. I’m shaking. I can’t even f*ing talk right now. What? I can’t.

ALEX COOPER: What? There’s leaked photos apparently coming out.

KIM KARDASHIAN: There’s these—hello?

ALEX COOPER: What?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Hello?

ALEX COOPER: I’m just kidding. What?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I’m kidding.

ALEX COOPER: Kim, are you crying?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Kim. Kim, you keep going in and out. I’m kidding. I’m kidding.

ALEX COOPER: You’re kidding.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, I’m doing a podcast. The Call Her Daddy podcast.

ALEX COOPER: This is me again.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh, my God. You guys are f*ing insane.

ALEX COOPER: I almost had a heart attack and I haven’t even had my cocktail yet.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I love you. Okay. I love you know better.

ALEX COOPER: I should know f*ing better.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay, bye.

ALEX COOPER: Dude, you not being able to speak. I’m actually crying. Kim. Kim. She’s like, what? What’s wrong with you?

The Beginning of Keeping Up with the Kardashians

ALEX COOPER: Okay, 27. Keeping Up with the Kardashians started. We’re not going to go all the way back. But just from your recollection, what did you want out of that whole experience when you got offered it?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh, I just wanted to be famous. That was the goal for me at that time. I just was like, I thought this was so cool. I didn’t even think we’d get to a second season. It wasn’t a long term goal plan. Wasn’t in my thought process at that point.

I was really business oriented always. So I would have worked and wanted to just do anything like that. Had a store. I would have done any of that. When the show opportunity came about, I was just like, this is our moment. This is our time.

Kourtney didn’t want to be on, and Khloé was like, whatever you want us to do. And my mom and I kind of saw that vision. Kendall and Kylie were so young. Rob was game for anything. And it was just such a fun experience.

And honestly, the show has just brought us so much closer together. Having to get up every day and work with your family, I mean, that would break a lot of people, but it really brought us so close together.

Navigating Public Challenges

ALEX COOPER: I feel like throughout the years we have seen so much play out of your guys’ lives on the world stage. If you had to say, what do you think was the hardest thing that you all had to go through publicly?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Maybe the transition of my stepdad. I think that my mom didn’t know how to handle it. Imagine Kendall and Kylie are losing their father in their mind. And at that time, Caitlyn wasn’t very open with us about her transition and just kind of came out with it.

So we had lots of different mixed emotions. I know Khloé was super emotional and upset about it, so we just never—we’re learning this all for the first time and then we want to be supportive for our little sisters. Trying to be supportive for my mom that’s now getting a divorce and making sure we don’t say anything super offensive or even asking questions of what does this mean and what is this term and what is this?

We didn’t really know anything, so we just had to kind of figure it out and we did it all on camera.

ALEX COOPER: How do you think you guys got through all of that?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Just family. That’s how we get through everything. We have each other.

Loss and Divorce

ALEX COOPER: You had your dad pass away the same year that you got your first divorce. How did both of those experiences of loss in the same year impact and shape you as a person?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, my dad’s dad passed away three months before my dad, so she lost her dad and then her ex-husband. So it was a lot of loss. My dad was actually helping me with that divorce with a legal team and helping me process that.

I mean, I think that it was definitely a loss, but I was so young. I got married at 19. My dad passed away at 22, so I was just 22. You don’t know a whole lot. Definitely a lot of loss and change.

I was obviously super affected when my dad passed away and affected for the divorce. We were together for a few years, but I didn’t really know what that meant then. And I was so focused on just my dad and spending all the time with my dad that I could in those last six weeks.

So yeah, losing someone and your whole life will be changed forever is a really hard thing to go through. But again, family. We did it together.

ALEX COOPER: How do you think losing your dad impacted your, if at all, your future romantic relationships and who you chose in partners?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I would have thought that I had the best example of a dad, the best everything. He had the best relationship with my mom during their divorce, was super respectful. Afterwards, when my mom remarried, everything about him was super stand up and respectful.

So I saw by example what life can be like and how you should be treated and who you should—the type of person you should have in your life. So I think that I have made not similar choices to that. And that’s confusing to me because I had such a great example that you would think that I would have just picked a little bit more close to what I saw.

ALEX COOPER: So are you hard on yourself for that?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No, I think that there’s so many lessons in life and if it was all perfect, life would be so boring.

ALEX COOPER: So boring.

KIM KARDASHIAN: So I’m totally good with the decisions and choices that have gone on and that I’ve made and I take accountability for them. And you learn and you have fun and there’s so many good—even in all these relationships that might not have turned out that way. I still had so much fun and learned a lot.

Relationship with Kanye

ALEX COOPER: So you and Kanye were together for over almost 10 years?

KIM KARDASHIAN: About a little over almost 15 years we were together.

ALEX COOPER: Going back to those kind of beginning happy days, what initially drew you to him?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, he was larger than life and so smart and just always talked about new ideas and things that I wasn’t really familiar with and I was always learning with him and it was always just such a fun time.

ALEX COOPER: Yeah. On an episode of the Kardashians, you said the hardest thing is when someone changes and you can’t live with the new version of them. What were the early signs that your relationship with him was changing?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, I think there’s obviously—people can say that there were signs and maybe I wasn’t paying attention to them. And I think when someone has their first mental break, you want to be super supportive and you want to help figure that out and you want to really get into that with them and be there for them.

But I think that it just—when someone isn’t willing to make changes that I think would be super healthy and beneficial, it makes it really hard to continue on in a relationship that can be toxic. And when you have kids, it’s definitely harder to leave than it is to stay, and it changes everyone’s life forever.

So you really have to take your time and wait and see if there’ll be changes. But once you get to a place where you feel like it’s not going to change or get better, then you have to make some serious choices on what you’re going to do. And that’s a really hard reality to face.

ALEX COOPER: I can’t imagine. I guess I’m curious. How did you feel—would you often or ever feel like things are getting better, maybe I can stay? Did you go back and forth often?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Of course. You want to believe that for a little bit, and then you look at your babies and you’re just like—but then you think, what if they see a good example of me setting boundaries?

And then once my mental health starts to get affected, and then I can’t parent the way that I need to, and I can’t be present and focus, then there’s got to be one of us that can. And I had to save myself in order to be a better mom for everyone.

And I think when everyone’s older, they’ll be able to understand it and see that.

ALEX COOPER: I agree. Yeah. It’s such a hard time when you’re kind of the only adult that’s able to make the decision, and you look at your kids and you’re probably like, I know this may not make sense now, but I promise it will later.

I feel like a lot of times in difficult relationship dynamics, sometimes you can isolate yourself. At what point when things were starting to not be as great as it started, did you start to open up to friends or family?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, I think they would see it. A lot of stuff would happen around my family. So it was really hard to see my family get treated one way and then me being like, “I’m sorry, guys,” and then stick with it. I think people couldn’t not see it.

I think I got really disassociated. And there were so many times where I was just really quiet and just trying to figure it all out. And people can kind of see that on me during certain times.

But also, people were really compassionate and didn’t want to say, “Hey, we don’t think this is healthy for you.” Everyone tried to just move in a direction of being healthy. And so no one really sat there and was like, “You have to get out.”

I’ve been in those where people are like, “This isn’t for you.” And no one did that. They knew that I had a lot of love and respect for that relationship and four babies and that I would have done anything to really make it work.

ALEX COOPER: But you guys, obviously, you’re dealing with it with your family, and they’re living it. But then you guys were also one of the most famous couples in the world. How did the public perception of your relationship influence and affect how you kind of navigated everything? Because you’re not a normal person that can just be like, okay, it’s a divorce. We’re moving. It’s like the whole world is looking and praises both of you in some capacity.

Navigating Public Relationships and Personal Growth

KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, I think that extra pressure just makes it a little bit harder. I think people were going to be. I thought, oh, my God, everyone’s going to be so upset with me because I’m just leaving. And I wouldn’t want someone to think I was leaving someone because it got too hard.

But there was just a lot in there that for my soul, I felt like I had to make that decision. And I think people get it now and, you know, they might respect my decision and see that. But, you know, when you do have that outside layer, there is that extra, especially I have had a few marriages that I didn’t think that were for me.

And so now, am I a failure? And then I have to really look back at that and say, you know what? A over a decade relationship with four beautiful children is not a failure, you know. And I just, you can’t think that way. You can’t live that way. You can’t worry about what everyone’s going to say. And I have to come home to myself and I have to be happy.

ALEX COOPER: So I think something obviously you said, which is so relatable, is it’s almost sometimes easier to stay than to leave. What was it for you that was the final straw that actually got you to be like—

KIM KARDASHIAN: I don’t know if it was, you know, there was just a lot of things that I wouldn’t deal with, you know. I didn’t like the feeling of someone being maybe talking bad about, you know, my kids, grandmother, aunts, all of those feelings. If someone feels that way, then, you know, we shouldn’t be together, you know, maybe airing out a lot of stuff, a lot of personal stuff.

Just not feeling safe, you know, not even physically. Just maybe emotionally or even, you know, financially. Because you have, you know, big ideas that, financial things. When you, it’s like a thing where I mean, I would come home, and we had five Lamborghinis, and I’d come home, and they’d all be gone, you know, if he was in an episode, and I’d be like, oh, wait, where’s all our cars? Like, my new car.

And it would be like, oh, he gave him away to all of his friends. And then I’d be like, huh, okay. And then I’d come home again, and at a different point, we had, you know, five more Lamborghinis. And then I’d wake up in another episode, and they’d all be gone again. And that time I was like, keep them, guys. You know. I don’t know. I don’t know what to say, but I never felt like I didn’t know, you know, what you’re going to get when you wake up. And that’s a really unsettling feeling. Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: It’s like a lack of stability.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Lack of stability was a big thing that I—

ALEX COOPER: You’re trying to be stable for yourself and your kids, and then there’s a factor that you’re like, I can’t. So once you left, what was the biggest change that you saw within yourself?

Finding Strength After Separation

KIM KARDASHIAN: I walked away thinking that I would have to live a different life, that I would not have a connection to anyone in fashion or art or, you know, he, that was a big part of his life. And so I thought, okay, I’m going to just go back to a totally different world, and my happiness is worth that, and it’s totally okay.

And some of my biggest projects came about after I made that decision, and some of my best relationships with fashion and art and all these things that I thought I had to give up or told I had, you know, wasn’t going to have anymore. And it was like, the universe just rewarding me and showing me that I was moving in the right direction.

And I think that’s a really important, powerful thing, is to pay attention to the signs and pay attention to life and, you know, what happens and how you can be guided to make really good decisions, you know? But I have no regrets. I have four amazing, beautiful babies.

ALEX COOPER: They are beautiful.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: Publicly, obviously, having a public marriage, you know, a vocal ex. How has that impacted your current approach to dating?

KIM KARDASHIAN: You know, it has definitely affected that. You know, there has been situations where I’ll get maybe close to someone, then it’s like, wait, wait. I don’t really want to deal with your ex, and I don’t want to deal that, if he’s going to say something. And I’m like, you know, so it has been a little frustrating.

But then I get really, my person wouldn’t care about that, you know, but it is a big thing and I get it. You know, it’s not an easy thing, and I get that.

ALEX COOPER: I remember obviously when the Pete music video and everything, I was like, oh, I can’t imagine how Kim handles that. Right. In those moments, having those conversations with people that you’re seeing, you can’t really—

KIM KARDASHIAN: That made me feel really sad. That really wasn’t fair for him. And I felt so sad and sorry for him. And he was such a great man. That was, I got, don’t worry. It’s all good, or at least, you know, acted that way. And it just, it must suck to just be put in that position.

So it’s had me put up this guard where I don’t want to put anyone in that position. So it’s easier if I just maybe stay away and, but then I can’t live my life like that either, you know. But I am aware of it and I do, I mean, I think maybe at this point, you know, it’s so a non-issue. I don’t think he would say something. But then you never know.

ALEX COOPER: And in the past, when Kanye has had new partners, the world is so quick to immediately compare them to you. Who is more beautiful, who is more fashionable, who is better for him. How do you feel in those moments?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I feel bad for them that they have to just deal with that, you know, it’s really not fair to anyone to compare, you know, or especially if it’s like, oh, well, he was acting this way just when they were together, you know, maybe when it first started. And then I was like, okay, you know, just time will play itself out and it has nothing to do with me. And it’s not fair to really blame me.

But, you know, I, it sucks, you know, because I think any high-profile relationship that you’re in, there’s going to be some comparison to that person’s ex.

Being Single and Dating in the Spotlight

ALEX COOPER: So are you single?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I am single and I feel totally, totally content. I’ve been single for a while.

ALEX COOPER: Is this the longest you’ve ever been single?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, and I’m totally good with that. I have my kids to raise. I have a life that requires a lot of my attention, and my kids just really need me right now. So it’s like, I’m there 24/7, you know, I don’t know how I would fit something else in, so I’m just not looking. And it would have to be someone super special for me to, I’ve had all my fun, I’ve had all my phases.

ALEX COOPER: Yeah.

KIM KARDASHIAN: So it’s like, now I just have to be with my babies.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. But eventually you’re Kim. You’re going to get back at it at some point. It doesn’t matter when, but you’ll get there. You’re the most, probably one of the most famous women in the world. How do you even approach dating?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh, it’s usually friends set you up, trying to set us up and stuff like that. So, yeah. I don’t know.

ALEX COOPER: Do you think men are ever too intimidated to pursue you?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Not my person. My person wouldn’t be.

ALEX COOPER: I was going to ask.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think I’m really approachable. I don’t think I’m, you know, you are.

ALEX COOPER: I didn’t know what to expect. Obviously, I’ve never met you. You know how the industry is. You never know if you’re going to, you’ve met many people, I’m sure, in the industry that you’re like, oh, f*. That’s what, that sucks. So you never know. And I was wondering if it would be unattractive to you if someone’s a little nervous. You want someone that’s confident.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Confident, but not, it’s okay if they’re nervous too.

ALEX COOPER: Yeah.

KIM KARDASHIAN: But they shouldn’t be. So I don’t know.

ALEX COOPER: What is your best quality as a partner?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think I’m a really good team player. And I think that I’m, I just communicate really well and I’m a really supportive person. So if I, if we’re in it, we’re in it. And I’ll do everything to support you. And I think I’m a really good partner.

ALEX COOPER: What do you think is something you need to work on in relationships for yourself?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I don’t know how I think it would be hard now. I’ve lived my life one way for a long time, and I do think it’s hard to mesh your life with someone. I don’t know. You know, Kourtney and Travis came in with kids and, you know, it’s an adjustment when you have blended families. I don’t, I just don’t know if I have the energy or maybe I just haven’t met the right person that I want to blend my life with.

ALEX COOPER: I don’t know. You haven’t met the right person yet.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: How would you describe your typical type?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think it’s so different. I don’t think I have a type.

ALEX COOPER: I feel like you either go so far. Most of the time it’s either been music world or athlete world. And then there was Pete.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I know.

ALEX COOPER: If we had to pick today, are we going rappers, are we going athletes?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Neither.

ALEX COOPER: Neither.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think we’re going lawyers and longevity scientists that can give me all their secrets. Yeah. I think.

ALEX COOPER: Oh, Kim.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: I like that for you.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: I feel like you need someone to really mentally and emotionally stimulate you.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: Because you’re f*ing smart.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Thank you, babe.

ALEX COOPER: What is something that you used to be attracted to that you’re not anymore?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I used to be attracted to big and flashy, and I could care less.

ALEX COOPER: What if he walked in and khakis in a polo?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, I would want him to dress kind of, Birkenstock. Yeah. No, no, no. I would want him to have style.

ALEX COOPER: Or you could help him.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. But you kind of have to have it in you.

Past Relationships and Lessons Learned

ALEX COOPER: Yeah. Have you ever been cheated on?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I have. Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: How did you find out?

KIM KARDASHIAN: He told me.

ALEX COOPER: Oh. Immediately after or long after?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Long after.

ALEX COOPER: And you were still together, huh? How did you deal with that?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I just kind of was like, huh, tell me more. You know, but when you’re, that was a more recent thing. But when you’re in, a 20-year-old cheated on you. Not super recently, but when you’re in your 20s and stuff, it’s all-out psycho war.

ALEX COOPER: Like take them down.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. Like psycho-ness. When you’re in one of those. And that has happened, but it’s like calling the person. I’ll always call the person and go.

ALEX COOPER: You’ve called the person that they cheated with?

KIM KARDASHIAN: God, it’s been so long. Yeah. This psycho side of me would come out just to make the call and then I’d be like, okay, that felt good.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. But now you, in the last time you confronted someone, you’re just like, what’s the point?

KIM KARDASHIAN: At this point, I think I’m just at a phase and at an—I hate to be like “at this age”—but it’s like, what’s the point?

ALEX COOPER: Did you end it after he told you or?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No, I was in a tough position. I didn’t. And I was in a tough position because I don’t think they were in a position to have shared that information. It wasn’t like a healthy place. And so I kind of didn’t know if I should take it seriously or not. And I had to wait a time period to really assess and see what was happening.

ALEX COOPER: I see.

ALEX COOPER: If you found the love of your life, he comes into the picture, do you think you would get married again?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I would, absolutely.

ALEX COOPER: Would you do a big wedding?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think it depends on the person. I could easily just like do a super cas—no, I can’t do cas, but like. Yeah, but it would depend on the person.

ALEX COOPER: Like, that was cute that you tried for a minute. You’re like, “I can go so casual, like backyard.” You’re like, “What am I talking about?” If you had to say today, who would you want to design your wedding dress?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, I was starting to have Manfred Thierry Mugler design a wedding dress, even though I just—because I wanted it in my archive of like what I would wear and I had the perfect one and we were designing it and making it. And I just wanted that.

ALEX COOPER: It’s for a rainy day.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. I’d still go with that wedding dress that I would want.

ALEX COOPER: Oh, you would still—you would go back to that in archive?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, I really loved it. It’s this like Thierry Mugler wedding dress.

ALEX COOPER: And is it just like in one of your archives?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No, we didn’t get to finish making it. We just talked about it, and he said we were going to start making it. I was like, “Just trust me. No, I just want it. I just know I need this in my archive for one day. I just want to be ready.”

ALEX COOPER: That would be really special.

Trusting Her Sisters With Her Love Life

ALEX COOPER: Which of your sisters do you trust the most to set you up with a guy?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Maybe Khloé.

ALEX COOPER: Has she ever?

KIM KARDASHIAN: No, just feeling, but yeah. Yeah. Like, she would know me so much, but I feel like Kendall would make really good choices.

ALEX COOPER: Yeah, I feel like Kendall’s got, like, a good little Rolodex over there that she could be like, “Try this one.” Like, she’s working with the right crowd.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. Yeah.

The Kardashian Curse

ALEX COOPER: Okay. This is very important.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay.

ALEX COOPER: What is your take on the Kardashian curse?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I always really hated that. I really did. I think it’s, like, really unfair to say that women are the problem when it comes to issues that our exes might be dealing with and that they had those issues before.

And, I mean, if you want to talk about the positive, I mean, my mom was with, like, a gold medal Olympian. When Khloé was with Lamar, there were championships being won with the Lakers. I was dating a football player, and he won the Super Bowl. I mean, there were, like, really positive, amazing things that happened. And then I do appreciate what you—

ALEX COOPER: Said about that, because I agree with you. I think there’s such a fixation on what happened to the men also, as if there’s no accountability on their part. Like, it has to be—all of you are just, wow, okay. You’re all so powerful that you did this to all these men, and they have no hand in their life and they have no autonomy. It’s just these crazy witch sisters that were able to—

KIM KARDASHIAN: No accountability. Someone that doesn’t take accountability is my biggest pet peeve and my biggest red flag and my biggest just, like, bottom line, absolutely not. And I think that that is such a thing, if you think about it, blaming us when, okay, this person was doing this before. Like, people just don’t want to put the accountability on the men, and that really does bother me.

ALEX COOPER: Out of all the baby daddies, who’s your favorite?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think I’m the closest with Tristan.

ALEX COOPER: Okay.

KIM KARDASHIAN: And Scott, I forgot about—yeah, Scott. We’re super close. I mean, Travis is such a great person to all of us. Yeah, we have some pretty good baby daddies.

Co-Parenting With Kanye West

ALEX COOPER: Can we talk about the state of you and Kanye’s co-parenting relationship?

KIM KARDASHIAN: What do you think co-parenting with Kanye West is like? Well—

ALEX COOPER: Yeah, I guess that’s what I’m curious. I’m wondering, how are you doing and how much is on you, Kim?

KIM KARDASHIAN: It’s not easy, but, I mean, I raise the kids full time. They live with me, and I welcome a great, healthy relationship with my kids and their dad. And I think he knows that I push for it all the time, but I also protect them when it’s time for that.

And it goes in waves and phases and it’s a lot of work. But like I said earlier, like, I have the best memories and the best relationship with my dad. And even, like, I love that I see Tristan puts their kids to bed every night and takes them to school every day when he’s not in season. So I just welcome healthy relationships, but it’s not easy.

ALEX COOPER: When was the last time Kanye saw the kids?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Whenever he’ll call for them and ask. It’s probably been a couple months since we’ve heard from him.

ALEX COOPER: But how do you handle—because it’s all on you in those moments—the disappointment, if any, from the kids. Like, how do you explain those moments to them?

KIM KARDASHIAN: They always knew that he had a big life traveling before and was always on tour and all of that. So it’s—and that he lives in different countries all the time and loves to live all over the place. So we manage it really well. Like, they love their life and their routine and their schedule, and I think just their job as their mom is just to make sure that they stick to their routine and they’re healthy and happy.

And look, it’s not easy, no matter what, co-parenting with anyone. And I think that the one thing that just gets me is that there’s this narrative that, like, I keep the kids. I’ve never once kept the kids away from him. I’ve never once done that. And, like, there’s been so many times where I’ve been like, “Oh, I just want to show all of these texts. What are you talking about?” Like, it’s been—we just haven’t heard. I beg them to go hang out or things like that.

But it’s more of just the narrative that, like, I think it’s all good and we’re living our life, and then I just wake up and there’s all these tweets about how I’ve kidnapped the kids. And I’m like, it’s not a kidnapping. It’s a divorce. Like, it’s—we can still all be in each other’s lives and have group dinner.

I mean, I just grew up so different seeing my family co-parent so great. And I see it with Khloé and Tristan, and I just see really healthy relationships. So when the time is right, I’m sure that would—maybe timelines. My mom would always say, like, you’ve got to give it like five years of being divorced before everything really comes together and everyone can coexist and be friends, but it’s not going to be like that for the first few years.

ALEX COOPER: So I appreciate you clarifying that, though, because I was going to ask you, like, what you think the biggest misconception about your co-parenting dynamic was. And if I’m honest, it was because I was kind of wondering about that, because I agree with you. I feel like I have seen online, some people really speculate, like, “Oh, my God, like, she doesn’t let him see the kids and she’s just keeping them to herself and blah, blah, blah” because of tweets or whatever that we’ve seen. So then people can allude, like, “Wow, Kim’s not letting him see them.” And I do think again, every time—

KIM KARDASHIAN: He is asked, I will always let them see their father. That’s just who I am. If there’s a time where it’s just really super unhealthy, I will say, “Hey, let’s do it here at my house,” or “Let’s figure out a different time.” And—but actually, when he is like that, he doesn’t really want to see the kids a lot. So if he’s like, having a hard time, like, he doesn’t. And so it’s always worked out.

But he lives in all these different countries and I send them to Saudi Arabia and Italy and Japan and all over the world every time he asks. I’ve never once denied it. And no, I don’t keep the kids. And I think that that all that narrative really sucks for me.

And if I spoke out about it and rebutted it, I’m just not that girl online that’s going to fight back and be like, “Wait a minute, your assistant—and you said you wanted a whole different birthday party and you said your party’s at 4, so we did ours at noon.” And now you’re going online saying that I’m—it’s just a totally different narrative than what the reality is, and that just really sucks.

ALEX COOPER: Yeah, I was wondering that because, you know, the world has obviously seen it. Like, Kanye has said some pretty, like, horrible things about you as a mother publicly, and you never really respond. What toll does it take on you to stay silent?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I know. There have been so many times where I’ve written a draft and been like, “I’m going to go. I’m just like—” And then I’m just like, what’s the point? What is the point? Am I going to go back and forth? My kids are going to see this. They’ll figure it all out when they want to make those decisions.

And I used to be so protective and so, like, hide everything. And then sometimes it’s like, you just can’t hide it all. And I better prepare them for what life is going to be like for when they figure it all out.

So, I mean, I never say anything negative about my kids’ dad just because, like, it’s out there. Like, the last thing my kids need is for them to hear it from me. And I never saw my parents talk bad about each other, no matter what was going on. So I do think that that’s just who I am. I just don’t want to go there with, like, fighting back, saying negative things.

ALEX COOPER: And I think that’s something that so many people really respect you for. But I think there’s also the side of people that are like, “I don’t know how she does it.”

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: Because there’s been so many moments that I can—yes, I can imagine. I would write the draft, too. And then right as you’re going to post, you’re like—

KIM KARDASHIAN: I wish I did. Last time I had a good post ready to go.

ALEX COOPER: Did you at least send it to your, like, sisters?

KIM KARDASHIAN: The group chat read it, approved it.

ALEX COOPER: What do you think was one of the hardest moments for you to stay silent on?

Protecting Her Children

KIM KARDASHIAN: I don’t care what you say about me. I don’t care what you say about the world and your beliefs and any of that. Anything about my children, I don’t care what it is. That’s hard for me to sit back and be like, come on. Even just sharing stuff about them.

Yeah, it is hard to sit back. And when he says things about my mom, that’s what’s really hard for me, because she loves him and to this day still does and is super emotional about it and sad about it. It was a big part of our lives.

So, I mean, my kids. I say such positive things about their dad that North had to say to me, “Mom, I think you go upstairs and cry at night. It’s okay. It’s time to move on. You need to have a boyfriend now.” And I’m like, wait, what? I cry? No, I’m getting a massage upstairs.

ALEX COOPER: What.

KIM KARDASHIAN: What. What do you think is happening? And I was like, oh, my God. I say such positive things all the time. And I’m in the car if they want to listen to music. As hard as it is for me, I want them to think the best things. And so she was just like, they say that. So I’m just like, okay, I got to give it up.

ALEX COOPER: I’m chill. We get it.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: You don’t have to keep.

KIM KARDASHIAN: See what it is at this point. Come on. So I’m just like, oh, okay, fair. I’m just going to never mention it again.

ALEX COOPER: North clocked you. You’d be like, get a boyfriend. You’re like, yeah, s*, North. Okay. Even just you talking about your kids, everything you say, it goes back to your children. You just seem like such an incredible mom. What do you think is your best quality as a mom?

Being a Best Friend Mom

KIM KARDASHIAN: I am extremely close with my kids, like, best friend. They know I’m their mom, but I am the mom that they all come and tell everything to. I know all the tea at school. I know I’m the one with all the friends. They come and tell all the stuff, too. So all their friends trust me and want to tell me everything. And I love being in that position.

Every weekend, there must be about 8 to 12 kids sleeping at my house every single weekend. I’m like, bee house. I love it. I’ve gotten these huge, big sleeping bag things, and they just go in a row, and I have bunk beds. It’s like the house every weekend. So that makes me really, really cute. Feel really good about that.

I just have such a great relationship with my kids that we talk about everything, and that just makes me so proud. Proud of who they are. And it’s funny because I don’t talk about it a lot on our show, but there was a phase where maybe my daughter, for a week, wanted to sleep over at her dad’s. And I said like, oh, she wants to go live with him. Or I said something and then people thought we didn’t have a good relationship. And I’m like, wait, wait, wait. This is my bestie. We’re the closest.

And so it’s like a fine line of, also, there’s so much I want to share about them on the show, and I just want them to grow up and figure it all out. But I have the best kids and I’m so happy, but they’re mine.

ALEX COOPER: No, it’s really cool. I mean, four kids. I was thinking about it before you got here. I’m like, they have the most unique names.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.

ALEX COOPER: Is there any name that you had on your mind for any of them that you could share with us that didn’t make the list?

The Story Behind North’s Name

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. Okay. So when North was born, Kanye wanted to name her Noriega. And so then we went with Noriega, Nori, North. Or he wanted to name her his mom’s name, Donda. And we considered that. But I’m a big believer in your own name. And so you’re not having to live up to a standard of what someone thought they wanted you to be or what, pushing you into someone who you’re not. So I really wanted her to have her own name.

ALEX COOPER: Let’s talk about North.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Okay.

ALEX COOPER: As you basically said, she’s so outspoken. She has so many. I love how she’s like, get a boyfriend, Mom. What is the most humbling thing she’s ever said to you?

North’s Humbling Advice

KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh, she will humble me. I mean, I think she just said to me the other day, “Mom, you’ve got to get remarried. You’re getting too old. And no one is going to deal with this.” And I was just like, what? She says it to me all the time. She’s like, “Who are we going to set you up with? What are we going to do?” And I’m like, babe, I’m just okay, chilling. And she’s like, “No, you’re growing out of that phase. You’re not going to.” And I’m like, huh, okay, I’m dying.

ALEX COOPER: It’s like, literally, she’s speaking to Kim Kardashian, and she’s like, you’re kind of losing it a little bit. Go get a guy. You’re like, oh, okay, North.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: How did you feel when she called your house ugly?

KIM KARDASHIAN: She. Yeah, she thought that really dug deep with me, and she would be like, “Everything’s all beige. You’re so ugly.” I have this voice note that I’m going to save for her, and she was crying, saying that she couldn’t believe that her parents love Balenciaga. And by the way, it’s her favorite brand, and it’s all she wears. But at the time, she was just like, “I can’t believe these are the brands my parents own. And everything is so beige, and everything is so.” She had a moment, and now she’s obsessed.

ALEX COOPER: Of course.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, of course.

ALEX COOPER: She’s like, wait, mom, can I borrow that? You’re like, I thought you hated it.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, yeah.

ALEX COOPER: Online, there’s been so much conversation about her recently. But how is all of that affecting your family right now?

Navigating Parenting in the Public Eye

KIM KARDASHIAN: You know what? She’s so creative, and she’s so amazing. And really, it’s so funny. She’s really mature in one sense, where she’ll be like, “Mom, I saw this. And I don’t really care that they don’t.” If someone says they don’t like my blue hair or this or that. And she’s really confident, and it’s like, I probably wouldn’t be hanging out with those people. If you saw, what did they look like and what are they wearing?

And I think any mom of a teenager or a preteen, unless you’ve been here, please, we just need a little bit of grace. It’s really hard.

It’s interesting because all the kids are wearing the same things, but then my daughter tries to wear it, and then I’m like, okay, we’re never wearing that again. Unfortunately, we made that mistake in front of the whole world. And she’s usually a girl that dresses like a tomboy most of the time, and she wanted to try something that her friends were wearing and went to the same place that they went to, and they all got these outfits, and then she wears them, and it’s just like, okay, wait, maybe you can’t wear that.

And so as a mom, you’re kind of learning at the same time. But what I do know is my baby’s such a good girl and such a sweet girl. And the things that she has experienced where she might have been outspoken or did something, she learns from that, and she sees it, and then she’s like, “Oh, I don’t like how I said that and, oh, I don’t want to be like that, or, oh, you know what, Mom? Okay, you’re right.” She does listen to me, but in other areas, I’m like, babe, if you want blue hair, it is what it is. That makes her so happy. I would never take that creative away from her.

But, yeah, I just think anyone that’s raising kids, especially four kids by myself. I’m doing the best that I can, and my babies are good babies. So I just urge everyone to not be judgmental and to have grace on single moms trying to figure it all out with a preteen. It’s a lot.

ALEX COOPER: Yeah. And I think it’s also having grace for a child where we all have been there experimenting with our look and whatever, and we didn’t have to have it on people watching us and commenting.

KIM KARDASHIAN: If her rebellion is dying her hair and wearing whatever and. But she’s my bestie and being so close, I’d rather my girl be with me and be with me all the time. And let’s experiment with every hair color. I also nurture her creative side. She’s the girl that comes home and just wants to work in the music studio and can be in the studio for eight hours straight and loves it and just thrives off of it. So I also nurture her creative side and want that for her.

ALEX COOPER: I also love what you said about how you have become the mom where everyone’s coming to you and telling you everything. And I think that’s so beautiful because, one, I feel like you have that with your sisters.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.

ALEX COOPER: And you kind of have now been able to have that extension of yourself, be available to your kids and their friends. And so I think it’s incredible that they do feel comfortable to come and talk to you rather than kids that are hiding it or whatever, everyone’s situation is different. But what you’re essentially saying is you’ve got a handle on it. You know how you’re parenting everyone. Come down now. Focus on if you’re having to parent and let this kid live.

Business and Passion

ALEX COOPER: Throughout your career, what has helped you really figure out what you’re passionate about and what your strengths are?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, I think anytime something is really successful that I’ve done has been something that I just absolutely love and I’m so passionate about. And I think that you have to sift through what that is, and that doesn’t always mean something that’s super amazing financially. It could be a little one-off project that I want to do just because I love the product and I’m really into it. And I think anytime there’s something that you just really love and you’re working a hundred percent behind it, it’ll pop off and be so successful.

The Skims Journey

ALEX COOPER: Let’s talk about Skims. It was initially called Kimono when you first launched. A lot of backlash. Then you guys ended up changing the name. How were you able to pivot so successfully?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, I mean, that was a name Kimono. You know, my name, Kim, is obviously in that. And I just thought it was kind of kitschy.

ALEX COOPER: It is.

KIM KARDASHIAN: It was a little confusing. Did we only sell kimonos? I don’t think we really thought that through. But as soon as we started getting backlash, we had a million garments printed with the logo in it. And I thought, this is a huge business decision, but there’s no way we can move forward with the name. I didn’t feel comfortable with it.

And we quickly pivoted and just Skims came to us. And it’s such a better name.

ALEX COOPER: And it’s so good. Yeah, it’s so good.

KIM KARDASHIAN: So I gave our kimono.com, I gave that all over to the people in Japan that really deserve that. And I think if you have such respect—I had so much respect for the culture. I would never want to do anything to really make it be a big issue. Every time I had a launch, I knew immediately something had to change.

So it was just, look, I know I’m not going to get the garment printed logo. I’m going to have to now put a logo on top and sew them on, and let’s take a beat. Let’s redo this. Let’s figure out a new name. And I think, again, it’s about taking accountability. You own up to it, you take accountability, and you fix it, and you move on.

ALEX COOPER: It’s such a great point. Every business has its hiccups. Every business has a moment where you’re like, we did this wrong. And I think how quickly you were able to pivot, I also think garnered so much respect also, because people are like, okay, wow, she acknowledged it. She took accountability. She moved on.

Then you go to grow this massive, massive, massive, massive, massive, massive success. It is so beyond impressive. In the beginning days of Skims, what were you the most involved in?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I think it still remained the same. I do all the creative, all of the—now we have big product teams, but a lot of our design is what things that I’m requesting and send references for. The whole team will go out and get fabrics. I’m always picking the fabrics. I do all of our colors. My favorite thing to do is do our color palette.

But I oversee every campaign and pick all the talent for the campaigns, and we’ll have a whole team that’ll bring me different campaign ideas and photography. So I oversee it all daily. And it’s about knowing how to get the right people that really know what they’re doing to be in those positions that you really trust to make those decisions. If you can’t, if I can’t. But we’re all super close and really involved, and yeah, I love it.

Nike x Skims Partnership

ALEX COOPER: Okay, talk to me about what is next for Skims. I know we have a little something going on with—

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, we are launching a full other brand with Nike that we have created. So Nike Skims. And I’m so excited about that because we wanted to launch Skim Sport, and we were going to do a whole sport collection. And then we really thought about it, would we do a collab? Who would that be with? And then number one is Nike. Right? The brand I just thought it was the ultimate, right?

And then I thought, why would we just do a one-off collab? I want to really have a—I work out every day. I want to have continuous product in a sport category and I want to create a whole other brand. And so that’s what this is. And it’s really exciting. I just can’t wait for people to see the collection and the campaign and everything.

ALEX COOPER: You’re so right. A collab is a moment in time and this is forever. This is something that we can shop. This is something that will be new launches.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Think with our aesthetic and Nike’s innovation. That’s what I really wanted. And they’re distributed all over the world, so it’s like, I just wanted it to be everywhere. I’m really excited about it.

The Bar Exam Journey

ALEX COOPER: Talk to me about your law journey. Have you taken the bar yet? What’s going on, Kimberly?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I just took the bar in July. It was an experience.

ALEX COOPER: Tell me.

KIM KARDASHIAN: It was a lot. You know, I took four months off. That’s why I didn’t respond to the bag thing, because I was like, you know what? I’m putting my phone down. I took off four months to really focus on that and I didn’t work on anything else and I just focused on studying and I took it and I’m hoping for the best. Praying to God.

ALEX COOPER: Wait, when do we find out if you pass?

KIM KARDASHIAN: November. November.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, wait. And if you pass, are you going to join a practice? Are you going to open your own firm?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I would love to maybe work on a few cases and see if I like being a trial attorney. I think that would be fun before I open up a firm. I mean, I think the ultimate goal is just to help as many people as possible and get them out for people that can’t really afford the attorney’s fees and need help really finding the right team, getting all their paperwork done to help expedite the process of just getting them home.

And I think it all stems again from family. Right? I want to reunite families. That’s what got me into this. I thought, what happens if someone in my family does something that is a horrible decision and then it tears apart our whole family forever? And I would see it’s not just the person that goes away, it’s their whole families. And so that’s kind of why I got into this.

And, you know, I went to the White House and I was called to a clemency meeting in the Roosevelt Room. And I’ll never forget it. I was in a room and everyone was using all this fancy lingo, and I just was like, what the f* are they going to—easy abbreviations that were very political stuff that I just had no clue what it meant. And I’m literally texting another attorney I know across the room being like, what does this mean? What does this mean?

And I was so embarrassed. I didn’t act like it. No one would ever know. I handled that like they would have thought I knew exactly what I was talking about, but I didn’t. And I was embarrassed inside that I just didn’t know what everyone was talking about. And I never wanted to feel that way again.

ALEX COOPER: So will you post if you—

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, okay.

ALEX COOPER: But what if—I’m not even going to put out—

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, I know. I think, you know, here’s the thing. I did it in an unconventional way, and I think people assume that it’s the easier route and it really isn’t. You know, I had to spend 20 hours a week in a law firm studying. And the program was a four-year program, and I had enough credits to get in there, but I didn’t have my bachelor’s degree, so I didn’t finish college.

So they were like, you can either finish the last year of college and go to three years of law school at a law school, or just, you have enough credits, you could just go right into this four-year program. But you’re going to have to go in yourself. And I have to do 20 hours of work a week as an attorney and then learn about it on my own.

And so I had to hire teachers and professors to teach me while I’m working. And I said, you know what? I’ve never done anything really the conventional way. I don’t really care to have my bachelor’s degree. I just want my law degree. So I did that, and it took me six years. Because every time I try to take the baby bar, if you don’t pass, you have to wait six months. So it took me six years. I finally passed that.

And you know what? It’s such a mind f*. Taking the bar exam, it really is the hardest thing. Much respect to every law student that takes it.

ALEX COOPER: It’s like, I can’t imagine.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I hear you, I see you, I feel you. It’s a lot.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, well, November, we’ll be waiting. You’re going to pass.

KIM KARDASHIAN: But if not, I’m not going to give up.

ALEX COOPER: No, no, no, you’re going to be great.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I’m going to.

ALEX COOPER: But I’m putting out the good juju.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Perfect.

ALEX COOPER: I’m not going to—we’re not speaking about if you don’t.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Thank you.

Acting Career

ALEX COOPER: You’re also playing a lawyer in your new show, All Fair. How do you have time to do all this? What is going on?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I am the best at time management.

ALEX COOPER: You are?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I am. It’s my thing as long as I can take my kids to school. Then in between, while I’m getting ready, I do all my other stuff and my Skim stuff and, you know, approving campaigns and images and—the one thing that I am known for, I think, is the quickest responder on a text. Yeah. I just get it done.

ALEX COOPER: We did Kourtney respond.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Oh.

ALEX COOPER: She’s like, bitch. Hello? Nothing.

KIM KARDASHIAN: She goes, “Oh, geez. What? LOL.”

ALEX COOPER: Okay, so she’s serious. She’s not that scared.

KIM KARDASHIAN: No.

ALEX COOPER: Okay. Thank God. Why did you want to get into acting?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I wanted to get into acting because, well, I was presented with a unique opportunity from Ryan Murphy. Yes. And then I thought, I mean, why not? This is so crazy. And then once I did American Horror Story, he was like, “Can we do the series?” And I was just like, okay. I didn’t really know what it took or what it entailed or the hours or anything. And then he got the most amazing cast together.

ALEX COOPER: Insane. I remember when the trailer came out, everyone was like, what? What? What? What?

KIM KARDASHIAN: Who?

The Reality of Acting vs. Reality TV

ALEX COOPER: That they’re in it. They’re in it. It was insane. But then I’m thinking about you. How did filming the Kardashians compare to going and actually being an actress on a set?

KIM KARDASHIAN: It’s so different. It’s so different. Well, first of all, I wanted to make sure I was so prepared. I’m walking on this set with these amazing actresses that have seen it all, done it all. Last thing I’m going to do is not be prepared when I show up. I’m gathering that, I’m like, so I made sure that I set my schedule to where I can just take my kids to school three days a week. And then the other two, then I drive right in, and then the other two 16-hour days, and it was just, it was a lot.

So it was about, I would sometimes just be finishing at 7am, roll in, be able to drive them to school, come back, take a nap, and then get ready and go back to set. So just being a mom is obviously the most important thing to me. But also seeing, showing them my hustle and that, I just, it’s so fun to try new things. And I figured if I didn’t like it, it is what it is. But I love it. And it’s so fun challenging myself.

And I think I had this not advantage, but this familiar, I’m so used to cameras being around me that I’m not even really aware. So it just feels natural to me.

ALEX COOPER: We have Skims, we have the bar, we have acting, we have the hardest of them all and the best of them all, being a mom. And then we have the next season of the Kardashians. I’m like, okay, when do you sleep? That’s coming out soon.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I love sleep.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, when do you do?

KIM KARDASHIAN: And I could sleep anywhere.

ALEX COOPER: You could, if you kind of lean back right now, you totally, okay.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: Okay.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I can sleep anywhere, anytime.

ALEX COOPER: Okay, that’s good though. So you can just do a quick little 15-minute nap back, ready to go?

Skims Beauty and the Return of KKW

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. The one thing I’m super excited about is Skims Beauty that is coming next, and that’s going to be so f*ing major.

ALEX COOPER: When is that coming?

KIM KARDASHIAN: I had, I loved KKW Beauty, and then I sold the company and then I bought it back, so I sold that to Skims.

ALEX COOPER: Do you see, though, every single person online being like, if you don’t bring back the lip liners.

KIM KARDASHIAN: The lip liners are coming. They are coming. And the KKW beauty, the original. I feel like I tried to do something I love when I know what works, and then I try something and I know it doesn’t work, and that’s okay. And so we’re going to bring back what works and we’re going to make it so major and so great.

ALEX COOPER: Dude, there are girls online that would be like, there’s this much left, and I literally refuse to use it unless it’s for my wedding or for my whatever. I’m like, oh, the girls are going to be so happy.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah, that, that’s, people were, I think, so confused when they were like, wait a minute, she bought back her beauty business, but then Skims bought it. What’s happening? Why did she do that? So I just, Skims has such a great production team and from our team and our camp, we’re going to make it so much fun than just fragrance and makeup and all the things.

ALEX COOPER: Girl, for someone who literally started and people were like, ugh, she’s just famous for nothing.

KIM KARDASHIAN: You try it. If it’s nothing, try it.

ALEX COOPER: Try it. Give it a go.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: How easy.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

What’s Coming Next Season

ALEX COOPER: Next season of Kardashians. Can you give us anything that you can tease? Well, you kind of did earlier.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah. My brother’s on. How did you guys get that? It’s just, sometimes he feels like it, sometimes he doesn’t, and we respect that. We respect all of the privacy and whatever he wants. What else? Caitlyn was on. She hasn’t been on this whole series.

ALEX COOPER: Okay.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: I’m excited.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

Wrapping Up

ALEX COOPER: Kim Kardashian. I cannot. That wasn’t that bad, right? You answered a lot of the questions. I wasn’t sure what you were going to be up to today.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Yeah.

ALEX COOPER: Because, you know, you’ve been around the block.

KIM KARDASHIAN: I know. Very. I’m an open book, though.

ALEX COOPER: Yeah. No, and I know it’s, I, for, it’s, we’ve seen so much of your life, so I didn’t know how much you would be willing to share or not share, because you’re also in a different phase of your life where it’s like you said, you do have kids and you have these things and that you’re protecting certain parts of yourself, but you’ve always been open, so I don’t know why I thought maybe you would hold back.

And you lived up to every hype. You gave me all the tea that I hoped, and you’re just as incredible in person. This was such an incredible interview. Thank you for sitting down with me.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Seriously, it was so nice.

ALEX COOPER: Really cool to meet you.

KIM KARDASHIAN: Thank you. I’m so happy I came.

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