Transcript of Alex Jones’s Interview on The Tucker Carlson Show

They never even ask you. And then they mobilize DOJ and FBI against you. I think there’s a connection between those two facts.

Historical False Flag Operations

ALEX JONES: Well, there certainly is. I’d already been researching false flag attacks not just by our government, but other governments throughout history. The Gulf of Tonkin to get us into Vietnam in ’64 that was later declassified to have been staged. And of course the USS Liberty between Israel and the Lyndon Baines Johnson administration wanted to get us into full war with Egypt. But the ship survived, became the most decorated ship in US history because of the valiance of the crew.

And Operation Ajax where the CIA and Kermit Roosevelt in ’53 overthrew Mohammed Mosaddeq, who was a reformist and really pro-west, but he wouldn’t give them all the oil and they used radical Islamists to overthrow him and then put the Shah in and then overthrew the Shah over and over again. There’s just hundreds and hundreds of historical real case examples of that being done by our government and other governments.

And I saw a lot of pre-programming in the news. Osama bin Laden’s going to get us. When he gets us, we need to give up all of our rights. It’ll be a new America and we’ve got to set up this police state. So I saw a lot of pre-programming.

TUCKER CARLSON: You called the specifics of 9/11. I just can’t get past that. And I’ve asked you in public and private, how did you do that? I’ve never gotten really a straight answer. I doubt I will now. But the fact remains, the incontrovertible fact, the provable fact that you called it and then they began a campaign against you. And it’s not because you’re a racist. You’ve never been a racist or an anti-Semite or a crazy person, actually. You’ve never spewed hate. But you have for 30 years said the foundations of our system are actually kind of fake and rotten. And it was 9/11. That’s when they decide, that’s when they really decided this guy has to be stopped and just basically eliminated the First Amendment to stop you.

The Specifics of Jones’ Predictions

ALEX JONES: Well, just to be clear, it’s not that I’m dodging how I knew it. That was 24 years ago. And I remember what I was covering and what I was doing at the time. And everybody’s seen the July 25th where I went into detail. But actually my crew using ChatGPT, scanning through all my old shows, found shows in April and even before that in March where I get more specific. And I said the CIA is going to fly planes into the World Trade Centers and blame it on bin Laden.

TUCKER CARLSON: I just think that’s the most amazing fact I’ve ever heard in my entire life that you called that. And again, we can prove it because it’s on tape with time stamps and everyone’s like, “Oh yeah, okay, Alex Jones is crazy. I hate him.” Okay, whatever. And that’s true. But you called 9/11 and no investigator ever called you to ask you how you called that, how you knew that. Not one.

ALEX JONES: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: No one from DOJ. Philip Zelikow of the 9/11 Commission never called you?

ALEX JONES: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

Intelligence Connections and Bin Laden

ALEX JONES: Well, I mean, obviously because certain segments of our intelligence agencies with other foreign intelligence agencies were tracking the supposed hijackers. They were being trained at US military bases. They were being given government money from our government and other governments. They were being protected. Then two of their magic passports and all that rubble and hundreds of millions of pieces of paper were found the next day to then connect them to it. It was all laid out. Then the bin Laden family was flown out of the country in the days after. And that was basically shut down in the news. You know, it was covered some locally here in Florida.

So I knew that bin Laden had been CIA going back to really the operation being set up by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Jimmy Carter. Then Reagan took that over and then they kind of build that as blowback. But even recently you’ve seen the U.S. Aid Information and other documents come out and the Institute for Peace where they’re directly paying massive amounts of money to Taliban, to Al Qaeda, to ISIS, even in the last few years. And they use them as these proxy armies.

So that was well known in the research circles that bin Laden was basically a multinational cutout used by Western intelligence agencies to destabilize areas, but also be a boogeyman. Then you see CNN in a mountain cave, magically being able to find him, but the US can’t kill him and nobody else can. And I knew that CNN is literally the CIA broadcasting system for sure. Total mockingbird, thoroughbred.

Building the Case

And there were hundreds and hundreds of points that went in, but okay, bin Laden’s work for the CIA. And you got CNN interviewing him and they’re all scaring us, saying he’s about to attack us. And then I remembered how Ahmad Salaam, who was an Egyptian Intelligence Agency operative working for the FBI and CIA was hired to build a bomb in the early 90s to blow up the World Trade Center. But then when they said build a real bomb, he started recording them because he sort of figured out it was a setup. And then he had that press conference where he played it. And I interviewed him a few times where the FBI said no, just go ahead and let it go forward.

And so you start adding all that together. They’d already tried to hit the World Trade Center before. The World Trade Center had a lot of issues in it with asbestos and also some of the structural issues. So they were already wanting to have a plan to get rid of it. And then you have the CIA and FBI in the Solomon Brothers Building, Building 7, the 47-story skyscraper. You have that right next door.

So I looked at all of it and I thought, where would the new Pearl Harbor be? And the year before in the Project for American Century headed up by Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, Dick Cheney wrote in there that we need a new Pearl Harbor event to launch the Pax Americana. But it wasn’t an American empire, freedom and liberty and justice like Trump’s trying to launch. It was a globalist empire, military enforcement and tyranny. And so there was a lot of other data points that went into it. Cheney also writes in that same document, we need to look at race-specific bioweapons to have control and bring in our power. And that was actually picked up in the newspapers.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, so these are not minor issues. These are like the biggest things happening in the world, the most important things happening in the world. And the end of one system ushering in of a new system. Millions in the end, died because of all of this. Millions. And you’re on like cable access in Texas figuring this out. Like, where’s everybody else? I don’t understand. I worked at CNN at the time. As you said, Peter Bergen went and interviewed bin Laden. I’m not attacking Peter Bergen, but like, how come you were the only one who figured this out?

From Cable Access to Predictions

ALEX JONES: Yeah, by that time I started out in ’94 as a guest on Access TV and then my own show by ’95. But I was on local talk radio. I just started getting syndicated a few years then. But I mean, you’re right, I was on Access TV as well. And that’s where you were like way out fringe.

TUCKER CARLSON: And all the people at the very center of our business journalism, they didn’t see or didn’t talk publicly about any of this. Like none of this.

ALEX JONES: Well, I saw Gary Hart on with another guest.

TUCKER CARLSON: Gary Hart, the former presidential candidate, senator from Colorado.

ALEX JONES: I think it was the Hart-Rudman Commission. Yeah, I saw him in Congress with testimony earlier that year and also saw him on, I believe it was CNN or maybe it was Chris Matthews, MSNBC. But the clip’s famous. And they say the world’s about to change. There’s about to be big things happening. You know, big attacks.

TUCKER CARLSON: When was this?

ALEX JONES: It was in early July.

TUCKER CARLSON: It was before 9/11.

The Lone Gunman Connection

ALEX JONES: Yes. And they were very specific. So I should find that clip. Can crowdsource that. And that was the final catalyst because they were basically telling the establishment very thinly veiled what was about to go on. So I sat back, I looked at it, and I thought years later, how did I come up with that?

I don’t just say a bunch of stuff, then most of those come true. I’m very specific on predictions. Almost all of them have come true. I thought that it was the spin-off of the X-Files. I wasn’t even an X-Files fan, rarely watched it, called the Lone Gunman that it turns out had come out in the spring of 2001 that I didn’t even learn about because there wasn’t Facebook and Twitter and X back then. So if you didn’t watch those entertainment shows, you didn’t know about it.

And then six months or so after 9/11, listeners start saying, have you seen this? And I had listeners send me VHS recordings off Fox TV of this episode where a criminal group in the US Government hijacks a jumbo jet in New York to fly it into the World Trade Center to blame it on a Central Asian terrorist so that they have a pretext to take over domestically with a police state and launch wars in the Middle East.

TUCKER CARLSON: Wait, this was on the X-Files?

ALEX JONES: Yes, this was on the X-Files. And so later I thought maybe I got it from that. But then we found tapes even earlier, a month before that came out where I was already had put it together on the radio.

But here’s what’s crazy. Then I got reached out by some of the hosts of the X-Files saying, “Hey, Chris Carter told us that the CIA came to him with the plot of this and asked him some of the scripts that they would ask him as a favor to put this in as a TV program.” And then later I corresponded to Chris Carter via email. He talked about this in the news, like in entertainment publications about Alex Jones, really good guy. And when they rebooted in 2016 again, he talked about the talk show host character’s based on me.

So I’ve talked to him, some of his crew, but he said no, I don’t know why the CIA came to me and said, “Here’s the script for this show.” So it wasn’t just Alex Jones saying that a government agency was going to hijack a jet, fly into the World Trade Center. The X-Files spin-off the Lone Gunman, one of its main episodes was about that specific story.

TUCKER CARLSON: This is just crazy. So I often get, you know, people I know.

# Alex Jones on Predictive Programming and Government Plans

ALEX JONES: Oh no. And they remote control and hijack the jet, the good guys, and keep them from crashing the World Trade Center. So why would the CIA come to Chris Carter and say, we want you to write this? And then it’s released months and months before 9/11. So I’m not the only one. It was in the collective unconsciousness.

I said two weeks before they shot Trump in Butler, I went on air and said, they’re going to try to shoot him at a rally. That was obvious to see how desperate they were. The lawfare didn’t work. A lot of this is just studying how they operate.

But so much of it now is John Podesta. In August 2020, the New York Times wrote about it – had a big war game with top Democrats. And they said if Trump wins, if they weren’t able to steal it, in my view, then we’re going to have civil war conditions. We’re going to have blue states secede, blue cities, and we’re going to use social issues to foment a rebellion that we’re going to basically frame as racial. George Floyd on steroids 10.0 and then we’re going to drive Trump from office. Well, they were able to steal it, in my view. The evidence, I think, is overwhelming. So they didn’t use that plan.

Well, they started talking about that plan again in the months before this last election last year. So much of what I’m able to predict is – is it really prediction? They admitted it. The UN said for 20 years we’re going to use disease acts to bring in a global system, a global central bank, digital currency, a global social credit score, global vaccine ID that will be used as the global Internet ID, global taxation ID – that’s official.

Bill Gates, the UN, all these big bodies preparing how they’d roll this out. The Rockefeller Foundation with Operation Lockstep 2010, 2011, describing locking down the sports stadiums, locking your houses, six feet apart, wearing masks for fear. Then Bush, George W. had that in the Bioshield program that passed in 2005, where they sent out kits, millions of them, to everybody, to the Red Cross with the six feet apart, with the mask, with all the stuff. But they didn’t launch the bio attack scarab that they had, I think locked and loaded. Then they waited till 2020.

TUCKER CARLSON: So basically, you’re just taking them at their word. You’re doing what I don’t do enough, which is listen to people I disagree with and sincerely try to assess what they’re saying now.

The Pandemic Playbook

ALEX JONES: Fauci just said last week a much worse, way higher morbidity. It’s respiratory, it’s coming and you got hotels. “Oh, don’t worry. Trump’s going to have a big problem. It’s going to come crashing in on him. We’ll see how he tries to reboot the economy.”

And then you learn Fauci and all of them are involved with Obama and Chapel Hill in North Carolina creating COVID-19. It was a big scandal. 2015, gain of function, SARS. And then they move it to Wuhan for plausible deniability. So they can kind of blame the Chinese if they want. I’m not saying the Chinese are good, the common Chinese are terrible. And it was kind of a joint project. And then they roll it out and they’ve got their so-called shot that’s mRNA. I mean this stuff is all very well planned.

And so when you see him up there lying going, “No, Senator Paul, it is you that is wrong. No gain of function.” Then it’s in all his emails, “this is gain of function.” And he has public symposiums in defense of gain of function. I mean he’s Mr. Gain of Function. If he was a superhero, he would just have “gain of function” on his chest and the back of his cape. And he’s like, “I don’t know anything about that.” These guys just treat us like children.

And so they kept saying we’re going to use a virus, we’re going to use a scare to bring in our global government. I remember Lou Dobbs and Judicial Watch 2006 sued to get North American Union documents. And in it they’re meeting up at Banff Canada and they’re like “we’re going to use collapsing migration flow from a virus to flood the west and use that crisis to bring in a new Marshall Plan. We’re going to use a disease X to finally get the world to accept this global government.”

So they’re just scheming constantly. They have Event 201 in public. They have a SPARS War Game 2025-2028 that came out years before 2020 and the viral release that is actually set in 2020-2024, and it rolls out how they’re all going to do it. The tweets that are in there are almost word for word. They just changed the name SPARS to COVID-19.

So it’s a blueprint and then they get caught. “Oh, it’s not a viral attack plan. Oh, it’s just a war game.” But the war game matches the exact rollout of the attack. So they’re all on script.

TUCKER CARLSON: So in a normal world that rewarded excellence and prescience, you’d be a billionaire because of your predictive powers. I mean huge companies, governments hire people who can piece together fragments of evidence to create an accurate picture of the future. That’s a huge business. I know a lot of people in that business. George Friedman, guys like that, really smart people. But you have got the best track record of all.

And I think it’s so telling that rather than reward you for this or call you up and be like, “Alex Jones, what do you think’s coming next?” they’re like, “No, we must eliminate our own First Amendment to destroy your life,” which is what they’ve done. That seems like a pretty clear indicator of their guilt to me.

Seeing Through the Illusion

ALEX JONES: Well, what they don’t want is compartmentalized good people in industry and government to just trip around the world to listen to what I’m saying, go check it out for themselves, find out everything I just said is on record. Anybody can just type anything I said, it’s from their own documents.

And then people will basically put the glasses on like “They Live” and see it for themselves. I’m not telling them what to see like the corporate media does, brainwashing people and selling them a lie. I’m simply saying, see this for yourself.

I liken it to those hidden image paintings. When you first can’t see the hidden image, you’re like, “I can’t.” Once you do see it, you can’t unsee it. So I’m only trying to get people to go look at what I’m pointing out and find out.

I liken this whole thing to having the adult table with the CFR, the Club of Rome, the WEF and the UN, the think tanks, the Rand Corporation, and they’re at the adult table at Thanksgiving. And the general public, and even a lot of the politicians are compartmentalized and naive. We’re over at the kids table, and we’d actually listen to what the adult table says, because that’s their arrogance. They admit 99% of this in their own battle plans, as if we are too lazy or stupid to ever go look at it.

And that’s part of a confidence game they have with their own people, their own corporate intelligence operatives, their own government intelligence operatives, their own networks where they just basically admit all this stuff out in the open. It’s like Phil Mudd from the CIA on CNN saying, “Foggy Bottom is going to kill this guy. We’re going to kill Trump.”

And then Trump had called me, this is back in his first administration. I said, “Listen, you need to watch out. They’ve got Phil Mudd and all these other guys on CNN, MSNBC, saying they’re going to kill you.” He goes, “Just a moment.” He goes, “I’m with the Secret Service. Call you in about an hour.” They call, they go, “What’s going on, Alex? Trump told us to call you.” And I said, “You don’t know about this, this, this, this, this?” So he goes, “Here’s our email.” And I sent the Secret Service, as if the Secret Service doesn’t know. They were all over TV saying, “We’re going to kill Trump.”

TUCKER CARLSON: So, I mean, it’s possible they caught that.

The Assassination Culture

ALEX JONES: Yeah, and then Trump didn’t catch it. And now they’re everywhere. You’ve got this new Rutgers study out where 55% of Democrats, liberals are asked, “Do you support Trump being killed?” They’re like, “Yes, we want him dead. He should be assassinated.” This came out over the weekend. And they asked them, “So do you see yourself as part of an assassination culture?” And they said, “Yes.”

But then if you say, “Oh, the Democrats are fomenting violence,” I mean, The View says all the time “He’s killing people, Elon’s killing people.” They don’t say how. “They’re stealing your Social Security. They’re killing old ladies. And so we need to be ready to fight and die to take this guy out.” Those are quotes. And then they just sit back, go, “Oh, no, no, no, we’re not calling for violence” with Crocket and all of them.

But they’re not going to do it. They want lone nuts to do it because their other wound-up operatives like Crooks and the other guy are in Florida. Failed. But they are crazy. And if the establishment, or what’s left of it that’s falling apart, thinks killing Trump is going to help them, they’re delusional. Because if you look at all the scenarios that come out of that, it’s much worse for them.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, I agree. I absolutely agree.

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TUCKER CARLSON: Before I ask you what you think the signs are pointing to now – like, what are your predictions for the next five years, and then I ask you how your battles with the US government are going in its attempts to silence you – how do you, if you have this ability, which you do – I’m not sucking up, it’s just again, it’s provable – to put together a picture, an extraordinarily accurate picture of what the future holds, like, what does that do to you? How do you sleep and how do you live? And why haven’t you totally destroyed yourself?

Those are kind of not thoughts that most people, including me, are burdened with and don’t really want to be burdened with. But how do you turn off the visions of the future in your head?

ALEX JONES: Well, I mean, I appreciate you saying nice things about me and obviously God gives us all different gifts and I do have some gifts, but I think a lot more people have these gifts than really realize it.

TUCKER CARLSON: But you can prove it. That’s why I’ve – obviously we’re friends and I like you as a man, but you can prove it in a way that others can’t because it’s on tape. So it’s not really debate. Has Alex Jones had more accurate predictions of the future than any living person in the world that I know of? We can prove that. We don’t have to argue about it. I’ve got the freaking tape.

So again, it’s not even a compliment, it’s just an observation. And I don’t know why I seem to be the only person who’s obsessed with this. Like, how did this guy predict this? No, everyone’s like, “Oh, he’s crazy.” Okay, maybe he’s crazy. But he predicted this. So my question is like, what does that do to you?

The Spiritual Revolution

ALEX JONES: I mean, it is stressful. The responsibility of constantly researching and looking at all culture, pop culture. That’s where a lot of the real brainwashing is, that’s where a lot of the predictive programming and manipulation goes on. Yes, but also in so-called news.

I did get to where I drank way too much, ate too much, got really unhealthy because I could go home at night and have some drinks and eat half a key lime pie and just kind of dial out and forget about reality. But things have gotten so intense and so dangerous that about the last nine months I haven’t drank and I’ve been exercising every day and I’ve lost 63 pounds and I feel great and I’ve just embraced the responsibility.

Plus, we’re alive right now really in the Great Awakening where more and more people are piecing things together and deciding to really get informed and engaged. And so I’ve always said I want to become obsolete where people really start understanding how the world really works to such an extent that there are so many other journalists and researchers and pundits and just private citizens and people in business and academia and life and in the ecclesiastical circles that they really realize that this globalist system is transhumanist, it is evil, it is a spiritual battle at the end of the day.

People need to really choose a side. And so I think choosing the side and saying, hey God, I can’t do this, I’m weak, I’m imperfect, but through you I can. And really praying and asking God to lead, direct you and give you discernment.

So to really answer your question, I’ll have all this data and this research and so that my feeble human mind can understand really what God tells me. And then it’s that final little ingredient of being sure about something that that’s what they’re intending to do. But we have real agency. Good has more power than evil. They always say the devil’s greatest trick was convincing the world that he didn’t exist. I think that’s the second biggest trick. His biggest trick is convincing people that there is no good out there and that there’s nothing that’s right and that God doesn’t exist.

In the old days, the globalists, the Western propaganda, after the end of World War II and since then, when we won World War II had pretty much total narrative control. And so anything they were pre-programming and preparing and hyping the people for, they pretty much always got what they wanted. So it was easy to follow those trend lines out and see what the probable main scenarios were. And then things would almost always come true that I predicted because they were still in charge.

Now that the globalists are really collapsing and a new international order and system is forming coming from the grassroots up, politics is downstream from the grassroots and because Trump is such a chaos bringer to their system, which is good, but with it also comes danger. But it’s better than living on our knees and then ending up having our souls basically taken. It’s better to fight on our feet.

In my experience, people that fight on their feet live a lot longer, have better lives than people that try to live on their knees. People who live on their knees actually die on their knees a lot more often than people who die on their feet.

So now is really the global revolution. It’s a spiritual revolution. The information, the culture, all of that comes out of that. And so now there’s so many possible futures and so many developments because there’s been so many good people that actually care and want to stabilize civilization and thrive and have a future and who are not based on conquest mindsets, but are based on Renaissance concepts.

The Great Reset versus the Great Awakening, that right now anything is possible because America still has the world reserve currency, still has the biggest, best military, still has the best energy system for raw energy, and still has a spirit that is being rekindled. That was the apple of the world’s eye and really the flower of the Renaissance that we’re now rebooting. It’s powering back up right now and that window is closing, but we’re acting on it right now.

And if we’re just not weak and cowards like Trump has said, and if we don’t become panicans but remain Americans, then really anything is possible. Because as Elon has said, if America falls the central pillar in Western civilization and Western civilization falls, it all falls.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

ALEX JONES: And so for me, I don’t do this out of courage. I do it out of direct self-preservation for myself, my family, and by extension everybody else. Because we’re all interconnected and people need to understand the true urgency that the globalists said they were going to collapse the world economy and use that for social control, as Larry Fink said, to control our behavior. And we’re going to build something extremely hellscapish and dystopic in their own admissions. All the horrible stuff we see is just the leading edge of it. And so to me, there’s really even no choice but to fight it with everything I’ve got.

TUCKER CARLSON: So you said two things that really struck me. One, that anything is possible right now, that this could go in an infinite number of directions. Some have hellish and some blessed. And so I think that feels right to me. Second, you said this is a spiritual revolution. What are the signs that you see of that? What do you mean by that?

Signs of Spiritual Awakening

ALEX JONES: Well, if you read the Bible, Old Testament, New Testament, it’s all there. And then I see it happening. It says that during these big times of change that you’ll see the best out of the good people and the worst out of the bad people. And some people you thought were good are going to really activate and show you their real cards, that they’re really servants of evil, are really slaves of evil. And then you’re going to see some people you thought weren’t good that are going to be touched and make the decision to be strong for liberty. That will be some of our greatest champions.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

ALEX JONES: And that you’re not going to really see people in the middle anymore. That big middle of people passing the buck. God said you were hot nor cold, you were lukewarm. I spit out of my mouth. And so we’re going into really the beginning. It’s going to get way more intense in my view. I mean, of any prediction, it’s that people think things are wild now and tumultuous. This is going to be seen as the calm before the storm.

And so there’s going to be nowhere to be in the middle. People are going to have to choose the side. And those that have chosen evil, chosen the establishment, chosen the satanic world order are going to get deeper and deeper into their devotion, their hysteria, their violence, trying to prop it up, because deep down they’re scared. And they have a form of Stockholm syndrome where they go to the abuser and think if they prostrate themselves before it, somehow they’ll be given deliverance, when really they just need to repent and ask God to come into their heart and cleanse them and then rise them up to be a soldier against this evil in this key time.

But there’ll be no room for anybody in the middle in the time we’re in. And I’m talking to so many people that weren’t even Christian or weren’t even religious or weren’t even spiritual who are saying it’s good versus evil. And I talked to so many people. I know they’re professionals, and Austin’s full of a lot of particularly rich people and women just becoming demon possessed. I mean, literally saying they’re demon possessed. And I’m hearing about it all over the country, all over the world, what is that?

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s so noticeable. And I’m so blessed to be surrounded by, mostly by women who are just the opposite or wonderful, but I.

ALEX JONES: Who are the rock.

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, they’re just the best. However, what you just described is just on display everywhere.

ALEX JONES: Well, and it’s men, too. You’re about the soccer coach that just kidnapped a little kid and took him and killed him and threw him in the woods, reportedly, allegedly. I mean, it’s men, too, but normally in history, it’s men that do the really openly satanic stuff.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes, exactly.

ALEX JONES: And women, you know, 2% of violent crime now. It’s because it’s a crisis. And women particularly, but men as well, buy into whatever they see as the power structure. That’s a survival mechanism, generally.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s exactly right.

ALEX JONES: But when the power structure is a death cult by increment, they get deeper and deeper. I mean, you look at these leftists and them in the hundreds of photos where they took their shot or they had their abortion or they want to kill Trump, and you look at them, or.

TUCKER CARLSON: They’re worshiping death in some way.

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. You could see it. They all look super unhealthy. They look totally insane in the eyes. They look like Charlie Manson. And so I’ve seen more and more love in people’s eyes, more and more spiritual connection to God, more and more that quiet place of just serenity in people. And then I’m seeing more and more of the satanic energy. So it’s really a parting of the sea here.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes. So to just linger on the first observation that you’re seeing more of the serenity, the peace from God in people, that is, including people in your orbit, people, you know, personally.

ALEX JONES: Yes, but it’s very paradoxical. I’m seeing just godliness, peace, understanding, and then I’m seeing confusion and hysteria. And I mean, what we’re seeing is evil writhing around trying to take us with it. It senses that humanity’s waking up and then all of its carefully laid plans to keep us in a trance, keep us asleep, is burning away.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is there any way to predict? Well, I’ll just say my view, which is. I’ve been really shocked by people on both sides. There are people who seem totally seized by hysteria and rage and hate and the desire to commit violence. I never expected they would be that. And then there are other people who I’m equally shocked to see, filled with the kind of serenity you’re describing, who are filled with love and understanding. And I just couldn’t have predicted who those people are in some cases. Do you feel that?

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. I mean, I’ve always had a lot of berserker energy and true. And in the fight, but it was always focused. And I wouldn’t say it was demonic, but it was of the flesh, but also had a big connection to God. Now more and more I just have serenity, focus, clarity. And I’m more effective at breaking things down, not acting like a Tasmanian devil.

And so in my own life, I’m seeing more and more of that serenity. Just really intense the last few weeks. And I picked up on that being around you and your crew and folks here in this little hamlet we’re in. And then it really does make you feel sorry for people that serve evil. I mean, they torture us and they attack us and they want to bully us. But at the end of the day, you actually realize that’s on them. It is so sad that they live like this.

TUCKER CARLSON: They’re being destroyed too. They’re being destroyed too. That’s like one of the main insights I’ve had in the past five years. I come to things really slowly because I’m not a genius, but I always kind of felt hate toward the destroyers in our society. I hate destruction. I like building and creation. But the destroyers always were, I felt, my enemies in my whole life. I felt this. And then it was only in the last couple years I realized they’re being destroyed also. Like they are suffering. They’re not getting out of this unscathed. Like they think that they’re getting power or whatever, money, whatever they think they’re getting. But they’re like in agony.

ALEX JONES: A lot of them are cowards too. They think survival of the fittest is being as ruthless and mean as possible, is what they have to do to win. And then when you no longer hate them. And I was never driven by hate as my main force. It was just the old saying, you don’t fight an enemy attacking your people because you hate them. You fight them because you love the people you’re defending.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly.

# Understanding Spiritual Warfare

ALEX JONES: But still, I would always hear, no, no, forgive them, still fight them, still expose them. But really, forgive them. That removes a spiritual connection that you have with them. And you see it when Christ says, be kind and pray for those that persecute you. It’ll heap burning coals on their head.

Stalkers, you know, down at a low level, I’ve learned that once I didn’t care about a stalker, and I’ve had plenty. And you just forgive them. They just freak out, go away. When they’re getting to you, they’re enjoying that energy. So you still fight them with more energy than ever. But you do it from a position of just removing a damaged, collapsed, poor victim of the devil that you have a responsibility to protect yourself and your family from.

But you don’t give them the energy of being angry back at them and seeing them as powerful because they’re not – they’re pawns. And these people that are influenced by satanic energy, by literal spiritual forces, demons, they are the slaves. And when they’re not out doing evil and persecuting people, they don’t even feel like they’re alive. And they’re desperate and they’re scared and they’re lost.

And then they get driven forward by this dark force to think, “It’ll be all right once you just go out and take these people out. It’s the good people that are making you feel bad. It’s them, destroy them. Then you’ll have peace.” And that’s the deeper understanding I’ve had of how this satanic system works.

TUCKER CARLSON: So clearly true. And if you ask if there’s anyone that you’ve really focused on – I don’t know, George Soros or Larry Fink. I mean, just the other day I was talking to someone who knows Larry Fink really well. And I was saying, I think Larry Fink is – I don’t know. I’ve never met Larry Fink, but, boy, he’s responsible for a lot of suffering from my perspective.

And this person said, “There’s no one more unhappy than Larry Fink. Like, nobody. And I was just with him in a car. He was screaming at someone on the phone.” This guy’s made billions of dollars and is personally tormented. And I know a bunch of people, because I know a lot of the people involved in things that I think are really evil, and there’s not a happy one among them. Not one.

The Global Power Struggle

ALEX JONES: And beyond the fact that he’s got billions, he’s in control of more than anybody. You know, we’re always hearing Elon Musk, the richest guy in the world. Well, he’s a guy that has been good at keeping the companies under his control. So he independently is the most powerful person, corporate science, communications titan. But then they spin it like, “Oh, he’s the establishment.” No, Trump, as you know, has a very small orbit of independent billionaires that are defending him because they want to stabilize civilization for everybody’s good.

But when you look at the international power and the largess, it’s been against Trump more and more. They realize they’re losing because the people are with Trump. And we were just talking last night, I hope you would repeat that because you were asking me with some folks who were talking about what my view is basically on the geopolitical new landscape.

And I laid my view and you said, “No, I think that’s dead on.” And then you said, basically, that we need to sell it very clearly, you’re on this team or you’re on that team, because it really is Team ChiCom, EU Globalist, New World Order. That’s what’s left. You know, the UK, don’t trust them who runs it, but they’re trying to come in under a US alliance.

And America and the world needs to understand there’s a new international system forming. The old one fell. And we better decide what this new system is going to look like and who’s going to be in charge of it, because that’s the way it is.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, and you hope that questions like that are almost never resolved without big wars. Unfortunately, you can’t think of too many examples or really any in history where they have just sort of evolved gracefully. A lot of people die. And that’s the point. You know, Rome falls in the 5th century, new system or whatever. And I really hope that we can escape that. And I’m very opposed to violence and war. So I think we should all be working toward that.

But it’s the big things that matter. And you have the rise of the superpower in the east, and that’s the main factor, the moment that we live in is that the west is falling. I think it’s been undermined from within by people like Larry Fink and many, many others, but it’s being replaced by this threat from the East.

And I don’t hate the Chinese at all. I think they’re acting in what they think is their best interest. They’re not Christian, they hate Christianity. So they’ve got a totally different worldview. And I’m not mad at them about it, but I think we should be honest about what it is. Right? It’s not, we’re not going to have like, the United States and Russia and Iran and Malaysia, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, China is all sort of acting in their own spheres. That’s not the way it works.

The New Global Alliances

ALEX JONES: And as you said last night, all these countries want to be on Team America.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think that’s right.

ALEX JONES: And for people that don’t know this, I’m surprised. I mean, Trump knows, you understand that, but this needs to be everywhere. The globalists went in, in the 80s-90s, they made a deal with communist China, you get the manufacturing rare earth minerals, but you don’t expand your military into the South China Sea. Well, they started 20 years ago, expanding everywhere.

And then it took Obama till about 14 years ago to figure that out. We had the Asia pivot, but by then it was too late. They infiltrated Congress, they were financing all this destroy America wokeism and bragging about it. And then people like Bill Gates and others continue to be totally aligned with China.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, it’s right.

ALEX JONES: And the CFR saying America’s over and Larry Fink making jokes about it just three or four years ago. “Ha ha ha. You know, five years ago, Trump thinks he’ll bring America back. Ha ha. He hasn’t seen China.” I mean, very arrogant.

And now China’s even double crossing the globalists and saying we don’t even need you and Xi Jinping is like, “We’re going to pay people to have kids. We’re not doing your one child policy anymore.” They’re breaking with the transhumanist angle, but using the control grid, the cashless society social credit score that the west helped them set up to now project that around the world.

And so the globalists are being destroyed by their own Frankenstein monster. And then the EU has decided to ally with China. And again, the UK is at least on the surface acting like, no, they want to be in a new Anglophile alliance with the U.S. empire.

And again, the U.S. has a limited window to get everybody on board with us and then our alliance easily with the key countries in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia central among it, and some other alliances. And then obviously an open economic alliance with Russia who wants an economic alliance and has more resources than any country in the world.

I mean, that is the real chessboard. And that’s why the left and the globalists want to drive America and Russia apart. Because geographically and also militarily and then also scientifically and then just raw material, of course, that is the obvious.

TUCKER CARLSON: If you believe Russia is our greatest enemy, if you are working full time to divide the United States from Russia, you are acting against the interests of the United States. You hate the United States, you hate the west, you want to see it fall. They hate Russia because it’s a white Christian country. That’s a fact. Why Russia and all of this, once you take three steps back, makes perfect sense. Like we have a lot of people in our country working actively for the destruction of the west of Christian civilization. So that’s just a fact, because it-

ALEX JONES: Stands in the way.

The Rising Violence

TUCKER CARLSON: Sorry. They don’t, you know, people don’t like it when you say that, but they don’t like it when you say it because it’s absolutely true. And the farther you get from the United States, that’s one of the great benefits of travel, the more obvious it is.

Like, you don’t know you’re married to an alcoholic until you go on vacation without that person. You’re like, “Oh, I’m married to an alcoholic.” Like, you can’t see any of this when you’re in the middle of it, but when you leave, it’s like, “Oh, my gosh.”

So, okay, I just want to go back a step. So you have made reference a couple of times to the rise in violence, the acceptance of violence, which is, of course, the purest distillation of evil, in my opinion. The most obvious, for sure. And there are signs that it’s, you know, we’re entering a violent stage. I pray that we’re not, but it feels like we are. You just had a longtime employee assassinated. I don’t know the extent to which you want to talk about that, but what was that? Is it a harbinger of things to come?

ALEX JONES: Well, a month ago, Jamie White, a great reporter, great guy, we were working up there Sunday night till about 9 o’clock. I left. He went home and then got shot through the carotid artery. One shot through his neck and then out the back of it. He bled to death. By the time he got to the hospital about 15 minutes later, the police got diverted.

TUCKER CARLSON: How old was he?

ALEX JONES: He was 36. And he was on the Ukraine hit list along with myself and you and a bunch of other people and everybody getting the SWAT calls, the SWAT team sitting their houses and their families has been on that list as well.

TUCKER CARLSON: Just basically everyone you know.

ALEX JONES: Yes. And then, of course, Ukraine tortured American journalist Gonzalez to death and then celebrated that. And so. And of course, we have the would-be assassin down in Mar-a-Lago who was a big leftist, connected to all these intelligence agencies, recruiting hundreds of fighters for Ukraine, an American. Then he comes back and tries to kill Trump. So I think, I mean, you’ve seen Aleksandr Dugin’s daughter blown up in front of him in 2022 in Moscow by-

TUCKER CARLSON: The Ukrainians in Moscow, murdering a guy’s daughter. Applauded by Ann Applebaum and all the rest of the ghouls in the United States, effectively because they don’t like Alexander Dugan’s ideas. So it’s okay to murder his daughter.

ALEX JONES: With the, well, that’s the new, I-

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, that’s really with the help of U.S. intel agencies. I mean, let’s stop lying about it. Right?

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. I mean, I said three plus years ago when the war started, I said the US is running all the targeting.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course they are, with the weapons.

ALEX JONES: That’s just a fact. And with their soldiers on the ground. Because I know some of the people whose sons are there when it all started were really nervous. They didn’t get me to tell if they’re like, “Yeah, your sons are there. Special operations.” And there’s been a lot of US-

TUCKER CARLSON: Military personnel fighting Russia in Ukraine.

# The West’s Role in the Ukraine Conflict

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. I mean, I’m on record three years ago saying that. And then two weeks ago, New York Times, the US has been running the war and been there the whole time and oh, get a Pulitzer Prize. So that was all known. And so now Trump is trying to rightfully end it.

I mean, people that don’t know, I know your audience knows. But we have Victoria Nuland, we have Soros back. We can still talk on Fareed Zakaria on CNN saying, “Oh yeah, we went there with State Department money and overthrew their government.” Fifteen years ago. We did it again and we’re finally going to break up Russia and I’m going to be the czar of Russia.

Five weeks ago, they had the deputy head of the unelected EU commission say, “Oh, we’re going to keep this war going for decades and we’re going to bankrupt Russia with it and we’re going to break Russia in five parts.” So they’re on the news saying, we want peace, we want love. “Oh no, Ukraine will never join NATO,” which is why Putin went in and the weapons being brought in onto his border. And then separately, Zelensky’s always no idealing NATO. And so again, the west started this war. Imagine if Russia.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m aware.

ALEX JONES: Yeah, I know. You know more better than anybody, probably. No, it’s just hazard circle.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: I mean in the American journals, you’ve been everywhere, you’ve documented it. And it’s just we are starting the fight. These crazies are dragging us in to what’s really already World War Three. Conventionally, that every escalation moves us closer to nuclear war. The doomsday clock with the atomic energy scientist, you know, is the closest ever been. And so this is really fundamental.

And so any concern I have about being sued or law fared or attacked doesn’t even hit my psychological, spiritual, mental radar. Because the big threat is so big of what these megalomaniacs are doing.

America’s Declining Power and Hubris

TUCKER CARLSON: So one thing I don’t, one fact I don’t think has penetrated the brains of policymakers in Washington is that we just lost a war with Russia. The US was running that war. The US military, the Pentagon, State Department, CIA, running the war against Russia. It was never about Ukraine. No one in Washington cares about Ukraine or the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men destroyed. The fact it’ll be populated by third worlders, I mean, Ukraine, we just eliminated Ukraine. Nobody cares. This was a war against Russia. They hate Russia for a lot of reasons, mostly spiritual, but we lost.

And my concern is, because nobody will say that out loud, that we’re overstating our power. And in the same way that you sometimes see like divorced 60 year old guys hitting on young women and don’t realize that young women think this is like absurd. You’re like an old man. Why? You really think I’m going to sleep with you? But the 60 year old guy hasn’t readjusted to the reality of his present condition. He still thinks he’s 25. Do you see what I’m saying? And he humiliates himself.

That can happen at the level of nations where, you know, you think you can affect outcomes that you actually don’t have the power to bring about. And so that’s called hubris. And that’s how empires get destroyed and populations vaporized. And I’m really afraid of that. Like, why can’t. We should know that we were not able to win a conventional war against Russia, period. So, like, what does that say about our power? And maybe we should readjust our expectations a little bit.

I don’t want that to be true, by the way. I want, I’m reading for I’m American, I’m not leaving, my family’s buried here. But like, don’t you think that we run the risk of thinking we’re capable of things that we’re not capable of doing?

ALEX JONES: Well, as an example, Hillary had a lot of fraud baked in, but Trump won in such a landslide, he beat her. And then a lot of Republicans and conservatives and populists thought Trump was going to win for sure. So we’d have as big a turnout. So they were able to steal 2020, but there was such a giant landslide this time. It overrode the mail in ballots. You know, the dead people, the illegal aliens voting, all of that. They ran out of bullets.

But that’s a perfect example of how the Democrats were sure they were going to win in November last year, and they were sure they were going to win in November, in 2016, and they didn’t. So they had this incredible hubris and this incredible arrogance. And so many of them are actually militarily ignorant themselves. They just put on this big imperious act.

And of course, there’s the clip of Sean Penn saying, well, I don’t think nuclear weapons should be off the table. We shouldn’t be afraid to use them because that gives Russia an advantage. Well, it’s called mutually assured destruction for a reason, because anybody that uses them is insane.

The Nuclear Threat Assessment

TUCKER CARLSON: So, I mean, well, they got in the middle of the war. This just came out the other day. The Pentagon wrote an assessment saying that they calculated that if we gave weapons to Ukraine that allowed the Ukrainian military or our military, using Ukraine as a proxy, to hit targets within Russia, they judged the likelihood of a nuclear exchange at 50%, and they did it anyway. At that point, like, you should be in prison for the criminally insane.

ALEX JONES: Well, that’s right. If Russia moved, you’re risking nuclear war.

TUCKER CARLSON: Like, you should be locked up. I don’t understand. Like, that’s. I couldn’t even believe that. I mean, I, of course, intuitively knew that.

ALEX JONES: And say that again. It’s not a rubbish. That’s important to sink in for people.

TUCKER CARLSON: That, that the Pentagon under Joe Biden assessed, like, because they assess the likelihood of everything, or they get, you know, they guess. They sort of work out how they think things will progress. But in every scenario, globally, they do this. This is what they do at the Pentagon, and they assess that if we gave certain weapons, weapons that allowed the Ukrainians to strike targets within Russia, if we did that, which we did, the chance of a nuclear exchange, nuclear holocaust that killed everybody on Earth would be 50%, and they did it anyway.

So imagine the brain, imagine the evil. Like, you would have to be controlled by, like, supernatural forces to do so. I think there’s a 50% chance every person on Earth could be killed in a nuclear exchange. But I’m doing it anyway. Like, why aren’t you? How are you still walking free? I’m serious.

ALEX JONES: No, and I’m glad you brought that assessment up, because I really tried to get people to focus on that. And I agree with that assessment. I mean, let’s boil that down. Imagine if Russia had the equivalent of attackers and storm shadows in Canada, in Mexico, on our border, that they can fire above the trees, that can’t be shot down, that are nuclear capable.

And Putin said this. He said if you shoot a few missiles once it started, we’ll just shoot them down. But if we see a large aerospace attack with a whole bunch of these, we have to believe it is a first strike to take out our nuclear deterrent. And so when we see a large signature of a large aerospace attack, be it cruise missiles, be it glide bombs, be it a mix of aircraft or all of them, we will do a total commitment.

And then Russia and TV said, here’s the government scenario. And it showed nukes hitting all the NATO countries and submarines, you know, hitting on from there. And we’re talking about world destroyed in 30 minutes, folks, for sure. Submarines off our coast. Two minutes, New York’s gone. Five minutes, Dallas is gone. This is real. What would happen if Russia was bombing D.C. with conventional bombs, with large, heavy cruise missiles that.

TUCKER CARLSON: That droning the Capitol? The US did, through the Ukrainians. They droned the Kremlin.

ALEX JONES: You were there once when you saw one blow up.

Attacks on Russian Soil and Nuclear Power Concerns

TUCKER CARLSON: I was there. I was actually driving by when I was over there last winter to interview Putin. I was driving by the Kremlin, just like on the street in downtown Moscow, smoke coming out of the top of the Kremlin. And so I called the guy at the press office who I was dealing with to set up the Putin interview from the vehicle, and I was like, I think your Kremlin’s on fire. And he’s like, oh, no, no, no, it’s not. I was like, I’m right there. I’m looking at it.

Russians never want to admit that they have been unable to defend their capital city. So they. A lot of murder has taken place by the Ukrainians of Russians in. And attempted murder of Americans, by the way.

ALEX JONES: And just think about the provocation here. And.

TUCKER CARLSON: But the Russians in every case, like, oh, that’s not happening. They don’t want to admit it because for a bunch of reasons, but it would force them to respond to. But anyway, I called up and like, I think you guys just got droned. No, no, didn’t happen. But it did happen. I saw it. I personally saw it. So, like, there’s been a ton of that stuff. What would we do if the Russians droned the U.S. capitol or the White House? That’s so freaking crazy.

ALEX JONES: Russia knows it’s a provocation. The globalists want to reset their financial systems going down, and they’re willing to roll the dice. And they think a nuclear war survivable, as you know, as the Pentagon has said. So it’s complete madness.

TUCKER CARLSON: Nuclear war is not survivable. That. That’s a fact. It’s not, by the way. Nuclear weapon explodes over a nuclear power plant, what happens? Anyone know?

ALEX JONES: Massive meltdown that makes Fukushima look like.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly. And we have a lot of nuclear power plants around the world.

ALEX JONES: So there’s over 450 that are big, industrial, thousands of small. And when society breaks down, they all melt down in different ways. Much worse than Fukushima and Chernobyl combined.

TUCKER CARLSON: I agree.

ALEX JONES: And it makes the whole surface of the earth that it’s mainline science unlivable for hundreds of millions of years.

TUCKER CARLSON: I agree. And I know everyone’s for nuclear power and it’s like, obvious we need nuclear power. I, I don’t. Okay, I’m not against nuclear power in theory, but until someone can answer the question you just posed, like, what about that then?

ALEX JONES: I mean, they’re never run right. They always have scenarios where they’re not going to leak. Basically, they all leak.

TUCKER CARLSON: We see all these stupid concerns, like, the answer is nuclear. You want more data centers, which I don’t. The answer is coal, obviously, but I don’t understand why everyone. This is such a sidebar, and I’ll stop in one sentence.

But like, those of us who grew up in the 70s and 80s remember that all the opponents of nuclear power were like furry armpit dumb people and all the Greenpeace people. And so you’re just like, oh, shut up. Nuclear is obviously the solution. Like, you just don’t understand science. How can you be against climate change and also against nuclear power? I’ve said that myself like a hundred times on TV.

But it’s not about the spent fuel rods. What do we do with nuclear waste? That’s easy. Put it in Yucca Mountain. It’s about, what if these things are untended? What if they’re, you know, the subject of a conventional or nuclear attack and.

ALEX JONES: You look at all the mismanagement, massive vulnerability.

TUCKER CARLSON: Like, why doesn’t anyone mention that before we put nuclear power plants all over my country, which I think a lot of people are psyched to do, because they want to get rich from AI. Like, they should answer the question. Like, that’s really freaking scary.

# Climate Change and Carbon Dioxide

ALEX JONES: No, you have to also ask, why do they build so many here and in Japan, the plants right on fault lines. I mean, there’s a real issue. We see a lot of ineptitude in industry and things. So you don’t want to have things that have the potential to be so dangerous.

When coal creates carbon dioxide that plants breathe, and the earth used to have a lot higher carbon dioxide than it does now. And it makes plants live longer, yields are up, it will green the planet. All the studies show it. We’re actually terraforming the earth to make it better. It’s like God given. When you actually look at the real studies and talk to the real climatologists and people, they’ll tell you, no, no, it’s great that we’re bringing this old carbon back up and putting it back in the atmosphere. This is fabulous.

More carbon is good. Carbon dioxide, oxygen, water and sunlight are the four ingredients of life on this planet. And the global elite has created a way to tax and regulate one of the four pillars of life on this planet. It is good. Again, they try to convince us that cows, methane is bad. You actually look at the carbon equation, it all turns right back into the gases it came from. It’s a good gas, but again, if the cows are bad, well, what else releases methane? We do. We’re the carbon that they want to reduce. They want to teach us to hate ourselves, teach us not have a life force. And their new religion is they will give us all these indulgences and all these flagellations and all these things we have to do to atone for how bad we are to the priest class, that is the big satanic green church.

# Nuclear War Threats

TUCKER CARLSON: So the threat of nuclear war overhangs any conflict with a country that has nuclear weapons. Of course, you push someone far enough, you know, you don’t know what could happen. And it could result in the extinction of humanity. So that’s like the main fact. That’s why people want to run, not to have nukes, right? Obviously. So with that in mind, what do you make of the public? Repeated public statements by a bunch of European leaders, particularly Starmer in the UK and the president of France, that they’re ready to continue the war against Russia with their own feeble armies. That seems crazy to me. What is that actually about?

ALEX JONES: And they’ve said that now they’re sending their troops, that if they get killed then that’s direct war with NATO. They admit that the EU population wise is collapsing. Those they brought in, most of them, 80% never even get jobs. That all the different ministers, defense ministers, as you know the last few years have said our business model is a 20 year war. They think they can continue that and somehow bankrupt Russia and again break it up into five parts. So they’ve made it existential for themselves. They made it existential for Russia.

And you go back to the Pentagon assessment that was public, that 15% chance that if we start bombing, and that’s the west doing it, mainly the U.S. inside Russia, they would strike back with nukes. And then Putin clarifying, well, we see a large launch, it could be a sneak attack with nukes. So we’re going to have to go ahead and nuke you at that point. Please don’t do that.

So at least they limited, you know, to four or five big cruise missile attacks a day. And then, you know, maybe 100 drones a day going into major cities and attacking their nuclear bases, their nuclear bomber bases. I mean, extreme provocation. Testing the line and not playing Russian roulette where you have a six shot revolver and you put one .357 Magnum casing in, round in. But this is three out of six. And they’re like, well that’s a safe bet. Let’s roll the dice, spin the cylinder and then click it to our head. Every day it just goes. The fundamental insanity that you see escalating.

TUCKER CARLSON: But actual, like actual insanity, not, you know, I don’t know, will tariffs work or you know, whatever you could argue, but like risking nuclear war. I mean, that’s so crazy that I hardly believe it’s real.

ALEX JONES: That’s a good point. They say Trump saying our surrender to these one sided trade deals, which is totally true and deindustrialized us and destroyed our morale and is a huge national security issue that he’s rolling the dice there. No, no, no. It would be rolling the dice.

TUCKER CARLSON: With nuclear war again, I think you should be in prison for even having that. That’s like the craziest thing I can imagine.

# European Politics and Global Destabilization

ALEX JONES: Well, remember Biden just two years ago said we can’t send F16s and Abrams tanks because that escalates the threat ladder of the rank operation. That’s World War III. But they went ahead and did that. Then they went to the bombing inside. So I, the reason I went back to that, I’m glad you raised it, is the EU is refusing to end the war. We’re trying to drag us into it fully. They’re arresting their political opposition, Colleen Georgescu in Romania. They’re not letting him run the new election.

TUCKER CARLSON: He’s an amazing man. I just talked to him, amazing the day before yesterday.

ALEX JONES: And then Marie Le Pen, that is super popular in the head presidential polls. So they have a judge find her guilty of nothing and take her off the ballot. You have the State Department under Biden admittedly working in Brazil with Lula to take Bolsonaro off the ballot because he’s popular and then indict him. And they’re talking about doing it in Hungary, they’re talking about doing it in Poland. They said if AfD won, which they almost did, that the EU Commission might cancel that election. So the EU has really taken off the mask. And people that don’t know it was set up in 56 as a steel deal, treaty of Rome. And they got the nations over time to sign away their sovereignty to it.

TUCKER CARLSON: I remember.

ALEX JONES: And an unelected commission with Vanderleyen, you know, up there running all of this. And she even came out, as you know, on Monday and said, well, Trump’s blown up the international order. He’s defeated the new world order. And she said, okay, we’re going to go ahead and agree at least in principle to what Trump is saying. And that’s because the trade is completely one sided.

So again, Trump’s move isn’t just the perfect move. It’s perfect in that it’s the only moves we have left for us and for global stabilization. That’s why anybody that cares about self preservation for the whole planet should be fully behind Trump’s policies that are very popular around the world and are seen as sane. And again, the world, this huge alliance of nations wants to join that team. And the good news is Trump’s polls are the highest ever. I know the American people are understanding that and getting that. The concern is, it is kind of.

# Trump’s Rising Popularity

TUCKER CARLSON: Crazy that his number, I mean, I’m getting, you know, because I live in a rich people world for part of the year. I know a lot of rich people and boy, they’re really upset. And I share their instinctive concern about any chaos. My parents got divorced. I hate chaos. Right. So I get that. But, but from my perspective, I’ll just admit it, like on my phone, it’s like, I voted for Trump. What the hell’s going on? You know, And I get it. I’m not, you know, criticizing anyone. But then his numbers go up.

ALEX JONES: Well, I like to.

TUCKER CARLSON: It shows you that you can even. I really make a big effort to, like, live in different places, know different people, not be a captive of my surroundings. Not just live among rich people with, like, dumb rich people attitudes, like, really try to be bigger than that. And I always flatter myself that I succeed. But even I am like, I guess, kind of captive to that because then I see the numbers and I’m like, people really like this. His numbers went up after the tariffs. That’s correct. Right?

ALEX JONES: Absolutely.

TUCKER CARLSON: Wow.

ALEX JONES: Well, I like to talk to folks out there saying Trump is being a destabilizer. The globalist order was collapsing by their own corruption and mismanagement and their alliance with China being double crossed. And so that old order was already being collapsed by them. And Trump’s coming in very pragmatically with a good, fair, freedom based, meritocracy, competition based system.

But to people that want to talk about destabilization, starting a war with Russia, total destabilization. Dissolving the borders and all the human smuggling and the fentanyl, total destabilization. Engaging in all this overspending and the country basically being bankrupt if we don’t grow our way out of it. Total destabilization. And then wink, wink, the attempted assassinations of Trump. What do they think would have happened if Trump really would have gotten killed in Pennsylvania in July of last year or a few months later in Florida? If you look at the scenarios there, they run from bad to worse. So the real destabilization and bad for.

# Assassination Attempts and Political Tensions

TUCKER CARLSON: The people behind it, like, clearly those assassinations were not lone gunmen. They were part of a much, much larger conspiracy. Obviously, everyone knows that. But those people behind those attempted murders would have been in bigger trouble had those murders succeeded. Attempted murder succeeded, correct?

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. And if somebody’s able to kill Trump now, people better hope he doesn’t get struck by a bolt of lightning, because the bad guys will get the blame. And that’s why so many people that have kind of been on the fence, the establishment, but were working with the globalists, because that was the system, are enthusiastically joining Trump and Elon because they understand that this is the only game in town for people that aren’t delusional. But you have that megalomania.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think that’s so true. Yeah.

ALEX JONES: You have that megalomania. Historically, when elites have never lost before and are losing that they just continue to accelerate and intensify. And I know you’ve covered this. A lot of the people don’t seem to know that. In August of 2020, I mentioned it earlier, there was a big article in New York Times with John Podesta covering a war game. They just had that if Trump was able to win, they were going to have blue states secede and blue city secede and then create civil unrest and civil war conditions.

And then when they knew Trump was going to win because the poll numbers were so incredible, a few months before the last election last year, Raskin, Carville, Podesta, all of them said civil war conditions, we’re going to need to have uprisings. Carville said that Trump’s coming to kill you. We got to rise up, Carvel said, and others. And they are clearly escalating with the Tesla attacks and the swatting attacks and the calls for violence. The 55% of liberal Democrats in the study want Trump killed. They are embracing, you know, real terrorism, real domestic terrorism.

And that’s building towards what I believe is in the cards. Because you see the Democrat pundits and their operatives everywhere before the election and after it in the last 78 days or so, saying once he got in office, Trump and Tom Homan are going to kill migrants and when they do, there’s going to be an uprising. And well, Trump’s not going to mow down people at an illegal alien demonstration.

You also hear them saying Trump supporters are going to attack black people or where would black people be alone in big numbers? A church, university. Trump supporters are going to kill black people. And we know a lot of the globalist groups have been funding white supremacist groups and domestic terror groups and basically run them historically.

So the last piece of all the pre-programming I’ve seen is that to have these uprisings you need something much bigger than George Floyd, much bigger than Jesse Smollett. And so I am predicting on the current trajectory of what they were gaming before and what they said, the final piece they need for this destabilization that they’ll label a race based civil war that will then crash the markets and be used kind of like the predictive programming in the movie that came out last year, Civil War, to have a bunch of states in the main military join them in a military operation to remove Trump when the Trumpian figure in the movie is killed, you know, and executed inside the Oval Office.

And so that’s their dream, that’s their backup plan. And you have the two camps, one campus is kind of the Chucky Schumer completely evil, but isn’t particularly publicly pushing that though he had his famous whirlwind we’re coming after you speech.

TUCKER CARLSON: But he’s an old man.

# ALEX JONES: Absolutely. So you have the Soros wing with Alexander Soros that more and more is in charge and is really making a run at escalating domestic unrest and terrorism leading into some triggering events starting. Things are aligning for this summer and I know that folks in the government, their patriots are aware of that. But I think that the spokespersons and others need to really get ahead of all this calls for violence and not just repudiate it, but talk about The Democrat leadership and their talking heads that are pushing it.

I mean, we’ve seen Kilber just last week say “deep state, please, do something, stop Trump.” And so that’s where we are. They want to expand war to try to take control of the agenda. They’ve been hyping a new virus being released to try to stop Trump’s reboot of our economy because they think that would stop this populist revolution in Europe. It’s arresting their political opposition and stopping elections.

They also have Europe trying to sue Elon Musk and billion dollar fines trying to shut him down, like we saw with Brazil. So those different strategies, they’re also doing big put options and naked shorts trying to crash the market and then blaming Trump’s tariffs on that. So it’s economic terrorism, the buildup of domestic terrorism, the false flags that can be used, a nuclear false flag to get us into direct war with Russia, a new viral release. Those are the things they’ve got set up, ready to go and that they’ve said before they would use to maintain control.

On Free Speech and Censorship

TUCKER CARLSON: The first thing in countries that descend into darkness that happens is speech is controlled and there are political police who put people who speak out against the regime in jail. And that’s happening in Brazil, as you know. It’s happening in the UK, it’s happening in Germany.

ALEX JONES: We’re trying it in Canada.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s definitely happening in Canada. And these are formerly free countries in Australia. And so the one place that it isn’t going to happen right now is the United States because of the First Amendment. So how do you end First Amendment protections? Will you pick off people like you, which they’ve been trying to do for over a decade.

And you know, I happen to be, as I’ve told you many times in private, I happen to be on a fishing trip when I worked at Fox the night that you were taken off the air. And I thought it was like one of the greatest threats of speech in the United States I’d ever seen. I wasn’t there. And Fox News prevented my fill-in host from defending you because “Alex Jones is bad.” Okay. That’s when I realized they were in on it.

But they need to end speech in the United States. They need to shut down X. They have to. And my guess is, and I hope I’m wrong, that there’s legitimate hate and extremism on social media, you know, to the point where it makes me uncomfortable. I’m thinking that maybe a lot of that is manufactured, actually, and that if there is a mass shooting and God forbid, but if there is a mass shooting of the people who’ve been targeted for hate on actual hate, it’s true on social media that that will be used as a pretext to shut it down.

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. And has this occurred to you?

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes, because I see people on social media who I know for a fact, I think I know are being funded by the very people they’re attacking. It’s like, what, including one of the biggest voices. Like, I know that that’s true. And so like what is this? And it’s clearly preparatory to some sort of event that will shut down a violent event that will be used as a pretext to shut down free speech. Am I being paranoid?

ALEX JONES: No, that’s where all the foundation’s been laid. Actually the superstructure has been built.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: They’re just putting the finishing touches on it. And so in a way it’s fortuitous that I’m here today because you were here. I was talking to my lawyer right before we started taping, we got some really big news that in Connecticut, the Supreme Court said, we’re not even hearing your appeal now because it was so strong. The kangaroo show trial that I went through there a few years ago, where the judge had already found me guilty, wouldn’t allow.

TUCKER CARLSON: Guilty of what? Of having an unauthorized opinion, of being mean or whatever. Those are all legal under the U.S. constitution. Like, you cannot be punished for giving your opinion. I don’t care how ugly other people think it is. And you’ve contested whether you even gave that opinion. It doesn’t matter. Under our system, you’re allowed to say what you think, period.

ALEX JONES: Well, you’re right. Especially that’s what the Bill of Rights is. And we have the Supreme Court rulings with the New York Times, Sullivan scene, and Brandenburg versus Ohio.

TUCKER CARLSON: You have a right to your opinion.

The Legal Attacks Against Alex Jones

ALEX JONES: And what they did was with all these PR firms and massive thousands of articles, sometimes a month, and hundreds of TV programs a year, they built a strawman. Once I was censored off the Internet the last seven years, still on my website and Infowars.com, still on some talk radio. But it was the verboten thing. People had to go, you know, get underground.

They could then build a strawman of things I had supposedly done. I never did. And then when I wasn’t defended other than people like you, it set the precedent to then come after everybody else, including President Trump when he was taking off everything on January 6th, so people couldn’t hear him saying, be peaceful.

TUCKER CARLSON: Before I defended black nationalists who hate whites, obviously don’t agree with them. I am white. So are my kids. Like, I reject their program, but they were indicted for giving their opinions. And, like, we cannot allow that. And now the ACLU is just completely captured. It’s like a training organization. Nothing to do with free speech. Like, where are the people who will stand up for the foundational right that separates a free man from a slave, which is the right to say what you think. And why were they all sound? May they bask in shame for not defending you. I mean that.

ALEX JONES: Well, I have a major update. It’s in the last seven years of them suing me and this whole saga. We now have basically all the pieces of exactly what happened. I told you some about it last night. It would take a few minutes, but I could just give people a basic summation of what’s happened.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, please.

ALEX JONES: But first, just an example of free speech. In Texas, there’s famous cases where they take people’s small children because the school secretly convinces them with grant money, they get paid for it, public and private, that a little boy is really a girl, a little girl’s really a boy. They then the parents find out the school’s been putting them in the database, giving them a social worker, sending them to special school times with peer pressure of other kids that have been put in the cult for sterilization, transhumanism.

And then they take the person’s child, saying it’s abuse when you argue, my son is really a boy, not a girl. Well, now Colorado in the House, as you know, just passed the bill, it’s in the Senate, and they allowed no debate, saying that if a parent finds out their kid is being brainwashed and says, no, my son is a boy, my girl’s a girl, that is abuse. And they’re going to officially take your child. Other states have passed laws like Oregon and Washington.

So you talk about free speech. This is beyond that. This is parental rights. This is everything. Now say, parents can’t argue and say to the state that has determined that your child’s other sex. And then in places like New Jersey and other states, the hospital systems now have on the form, when your child’s born dozens of things. Transgender, all these other names, gender queer, all these things where the parents pick at birth what the baby’s going to be and say this.

So if the state wants to come and say they’re another sex, that’s okay. If parents don’t like it, their kid gets taken in these areas. That’s where this is going. It’s already happening. But if the parents want to opt in, they can decide for their child. So as long as you decide that we’re going to chemically and then medically sterilize surgically this portable person that’s being put into this death cult, then it’s okay. The only thing you’re not allowed to say is no. I say no to this designation.

So that’s where Alex Jones having his speech massively attacked goes. So it’s a long story, but here’s the summation: I didn’t understand, even though I know a lot of things about politics in the world, I didn’t understand how PR firms work, how law firms work, how the deep state was operating. And they later admitted, even on MSNBC, that a few years ago, “Oh, we’ve been successful with Alex Jones. Next, we’re going to do it with people like Tucker Carlson,” and they mentioned you.

So Hillary knows she’s in trouble. Two months before the election, 2016, she does a 20 plus million dollar ad buy talking about me and twisting what I had said about that event in Connecticut, that mass shooting. And then the ad, she says, “Alex Jones is Trump’s brain. This is the guy that Trump says is an amazing person. We’ll be talking a lot. You’re a great guy.” And they show that clip of Trump on my show saying that.

So they created a demonized version of me to attack Trump. Then that made me this huge demon with the left even more. Then for two years, articles every day, sometimes dozens a day, TV shows, programs, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, every channel, foreign news, Tokyo news, Russian news. It was just being pushed over. “Alex Jones is bullying kids, parents, dead kids. Alex Jones is sending people to pee on graves.” None of that ever even happened, much less me.

And then they sue me and then they want all this discovery and they say, “Who do you work for? Who’s telling you what’s doing? The Republicans” in all these depositions. Of course it wasn’t there. So they hold me in default for saying I didn’t give them my secret plan to get rich off these people that I barely ever even talked about.

They put 22 minutes of evidence in the Texas show trial or I was found guilty by the judge and the Connecticut show trial that were only a month apart in 2022 in the fall. So I go in, HBO’s producing it, cameras putting makeup on the judges. I’m giving 20 plus things I can’t talk about. My lawyers are sanctioned. Did they try to raise that? Well, where did Alex Jones say this? Where did he do this? No evidence could be showed to counter them. They could just say whatever they wanted to.

And then they have a billion and a half dollar judgment in Connecticut. They have a $50 million judgment total or 49 million dollar in Texas because I’m already found guilty. Then the judge tells them to say how guilty I am. They lie and totally exaggerate all the money I have, say I got it from these people with no evidence.

And so I knew I was being railroaded for my speech. They said in the Connecticut trial and in the Texas show trial and on the courthouse steps, “We don’t want money for Mr. Jones, we want to shut him down.” They said that in court filing. So I go into bankruptcy because I’m out of money personally. Never had all this money, they said, not even a fraction of it. And so for three years I’m in bankruptcy and they keep going and say, “We don’t want money, we want him closed.” The judge keeps saying, “No, you have to actually, you know, do a settlement with him or we have to sell him for wars.”

TUCKER CARLSON: This is all because you said something that other people said they were offended by.

ALEX JONES: Yes, but, but, but how can you.

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t understand in a free country, how other people being offended by what you say can have you destroyed by the state.

The Sandy Hook Lawsuit Details

ALEX JONES: Well, it’s more than that. They said I sent people to their houses, I peed on graves, all this stuff that nobody did.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why weren’t you arrested? You can’t pee on a grave. Why weren’t you arrested?

ALEX JONES: I’ve been to Connecticut.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why weren’t you arrested?

ALEX JONES: Out of the people that sued me, I only said the name of one of the people, ever.

TUCKER CARLSON: If you commit a crime, you should be criminally charged for it, and the state has to prove that you did it, at which point you’re convicted and punished. If the state accuses you of something but doesn’t charge you with it, they’re liars. Like, by definition, they don’t. That’s not on the list of options that they can just discredit you, attack your character, destroy you. No, no, the state has one option. If you committed a crime, they charge you with the crime and they prove you did the crime. It’s that simple.

ALEX JONES: That’s right. I never got investigated for stalking or anything because I did nothing for any crime. So here’s where it gets crazy. Here’s what we’ve learned since they had the show trials.

TUCKER CARLSON: I know it’s. None of the libertarians defended you either. Where was the Reason foundation and Cato and all these supposedly freedom minded non profits who are just freaking liars? Like, none of them defended you that I know of.

Government Involvement Claims

ALEX JONES: Bare minimum, they were bought off or they wanted to keep their head down. So here’s what we learned. The Democratic Party and the Justice Department, the FBI and the CIA. This has come out in court, come out in documents. Now we’ve got it all. I published it at Infowars. They could be shut down literally in days. Now we’re finally for the Wire today, this big ruling, but it’s the truth out there, but they don’t want you to know it.

So they come after me to demonize Trump. Then they run ads on Facebook and Twitter and everywhere for the two years before they sue me. 2017, 2018, saying I’m attacking them, saying I’m coming after him, using my name to raise money. Okay, it turns out hundreds of millions using my name. This has come out saying I’m victimizing them and then never showing what I supposedly did. Just, this man’s hurting us. Help us, Help us.

Then I was already taken off the Internet after that for other reasons that they cooked up. They had Lester Holt get up on TV and say Alex Jones called for people to get battle rifles and go attack Democrats. No, I talked about them antifa attacking your house and how they were planning to attack more people’s houses. And I said, none of us are going to be violent. But I said, everybody needs to have their battle rifle ready or their shotgun in their home if the left comes to kill you.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, as someone whose house was attacked by antifa, I agree completely.

ALEX JONES: But then Holt never showed what I supposedly said, right? He just said straight up, okay, So I wasn’t even taking off Internet for Sandy Hook because I wasn’t even known for that. Okay? Barely ever talked about it.

Then they sue me, then they run more PR, then they raise more money off of me. And then when they didn’t find anything in their discovery because there was nothing that I did, then they have the judges both find me in default coordinate for both trials to be held in a month and a half period in late 2022. And then right after they win, the jury’s fine for all this money, they come back and they say, that’s not enough, your honor. We want 2.75 trillion. That’s the GDP of India. People don’t believe that. Type in Alex Jones, Sandy Hook 2.75 trillion. And so the judge said, no, you just get 1.5 billion.

TUCKER CARLSON: In retrospect, did you ever think when they awarded a judgment against you equivalent to the GDP of India, did you ever think, like, maybe I should keep my visions to myself and not like, next time I see 911 coming, I just shouldn’t say anything because people who predict the future accurately are always punished for it.

ALEX JONES: I think that’s. I mean, yeah, I mean. Well, what I realized was I’ve got something important to say, so I better say it even louder because the evil wants to shut down. But just to finish the key part. I’m sorry.

TUCKER CARLSON: Sorry.

ALEX JONES: No, no, no, no, no.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s making me upset hearing this.

ALEX JONES: No, no, no. I’m saying I haven’t gotten to the big stuff. I’m just giving people the background.

TUCKER CARLSON: This is not the country I grew up in at all. Just saying that. Sorry.

Alleged Government Operation

ALEX JONES: Well, no, no, you’re right. Thank you for the platform. No, thank you, Tucker. And I told you all this last night. It took 30 minutes. Let me just try to condense it.

So I know they’re trying to demonize me to get it from. I know they’re trying to set the president to shut down everybody else. And once I’m demonized, they think nobody will defend me. And that says the president. They admitted all that. Then when they win the show trial that was already fixed, these PR firms come out of Newark, Connecticut and go, we’ve been doing this for years. We exposed Jones, we did this, we helped get this big win, blah, blah, blah.

Then this undercover video comes out that is in a predator sexting trolling operation in D.C. which the guy was never implicated in. But that’s how he got caught up with the trolling operation. This oblevis person, CIA and FBI, it’s confirmed, says, well, we investigated Alex Jones for years at the FBI. Then he went on the CIA Tories currently. And he said, we couldn’t find anything criminal on him. So we went to the Sandy Hook people with law firms that we developed this plan with this narrative to take him down. And now we’re in the process of shutting him down. And the person says, well, are you still trying to put him in prison? No, we’ve just destroyed his name and destroyed who he is. It’s all on video. It’s online. Just type in FBI, CIA agent, you know, admits to running Sandy Hook frame job of Alex Jones.

TUCKER CARLSON: We recommend you take this moment to do what we’re about to do, which is enjoy an alp. Just to kind of refresh our baseline assumptions here. Is the CIA allowed to destroy people for in the United States for criticizing?

ALEX JONES: No, it’s illegal.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, it’s illegal. Okay.

FBI Investigation Claims

ALEX JONES: Of course, you begging the question. But absolutely. So, then we have that. But then I go, wait a minute. At the trial last year, they have this FBI agent. It was the chief counsel who on the stand, they say it to hide it in plain view. The Democratic party law firm talked to him for like a day. And he goes, so you went and got the suit against Mr. Jones? Yes, I went to your law firm, Mr. Koskov, and I went to the families, you know, and I organized them to do this.

So they’re hiding in plain view. The chief counsel of Connecticut that I didn’t even pick up on at the time. Why is he on the stand? I’m sitting there talking about how he went and set this up and did this to me. Then later, we have Oblivious talking about years ago. We criminally investigated him for a decade. We couldn’t find anything. So we went into this civil. So now that’s two of them admitting it on the stand and undercover video.

Now this is where it gets wild. Then three days after Trump’s in office, we done a FOIA request two years ago for my FBI file. We done it many times. They never responded back. Soon as Trump gets in, they send us a disk in the mail. I got a call from the FBI saying hey, be sure you watch your mail. And they send me a disk of our FOIA. And it was 196 files but it was just the COVID sheets. It said the rest national security. But it said Alex Jones top national security threat. Obama administration ordered me to be a level three terror national security threat in 2013.

I had called Seraphin on who knows how to read the code documents on the dozens of pages I got that were attached he said probably to thousands but 196 other investigation packets and we’re talking weekly and monthly meetings out of the Boston field office. And Trump didn’t learn about this, his first admin. So we learned this was going on until I was sent this by the new FBI director. Okay. Or the new FBI. And it’s just the COVID sheets but they have codes on it that Kyle Seraphin used to run counterterrorism. The FBI huge whistleblower came on my show for hours and documented what it meant. Then he talked to his sources currently in D.C. and they said, yeah, we’re actually on this. It’s bad.

Okay. So Obama illegally had me declared a national security threat. Open criminal espionage investigation with huge resources. Humet attempted infiltration. That’s all the codes. And that’s now makes sense. People we’d hire trying to set us up, trying to get us to commit crimes. All this stuff over the years, hacking into our surveillance camera systems trying to find something dirty, all sorts of sabotage. So now, I mean I’m living in a spy movie.

So we get that like 10 days in the Trump administration, three days in, they mail it. It comes to the mail like seven days later. So now we have that. So we have oblivious admitting it from the FBI and CIA. We have the other lead counsel in Connecticut admitting it on the stand. Proud of it. I didn’t complain to you just because I knew it would come out.

Financial Allegations

Then we get another FBI contact. They say why don’t you go look at the federal reg. Look for money going to these Sandy Hook foundations of the people that sued me. We go look, it’s $4 million plus in payments to them right after they sue me and then two payments to them during when both trials started.

TUCKER CARLSON: So payments from whom?

ALEX JONES: From the justice department.

TUCKER CARLSON: So tax dollars.

ALEX JONES: Tax dollars. Over $4 million from the justice department were paid to the main Sandy hook foundation that is on the board and the head of it for the people suing me that ran it.

TUCKER CARLSON: This is crazy.

ALEX JONES: So now we have the justice department and I’m releasing those documents. Was actually planning to release them today, a week ago before you invited me out here. So that’s all going to be out today. The documents, all of. But it’s online. They don’t hide it. Also, millions and millions and millions more of COVID money went to them. And you know what happened to Cori Bush’s husband. I’m not saying it’s illegal. It should be looked into.

So this is why this is important. This is the most open and shut start to finish operation we’ve ever seen with all this money directly from the justice department with the just department admitting they initiated it. Undercover tapes with the CIA. Then you have the FBI meeting on the stand that they initiated it. Then you have the money directly from the justice department to them directly when they’re attacking me.

And then it gets worse. In the last year, in my bankruptcy, they before that, they attached the US Trustee, which they can do under federal law, to my bankruptcy, like I’m Enron. Most people don’t have this happen. So there’s just department lawyers and agents at my depositions giving me U.S. Code to read before the deposition when after I’m sworn in that if I say anything incorrect, they’re going to charge me with felonies. Okay? But I still don’t take the fix. I’ve done nothing wrong. And I have accountants, and it’s all lies. They’re alleging I’ve stolen hundreds of millions of dollars from these people. None of that’s true. Don’t have hundreds of millions of dollars. Ever had $10 million of extra laying around with these.

TUCKER CARLSON: Stole money from what people?

ALEX JONES: They just say I harassed them, I made money off them. It’s their money. It’s just all made up. But I have the justice department there. So then the justice department has the US Trustee in May of last year order a private security company on a Friday evening to show up with guns on their sides and say, everybody out of the building. And I say, where’s the court order? And I say, call the head of your security company. I get on the phone he goes, hey, I’m telling the people this too. We got to have a court order. I’m going to tell them they showed.

TUCKER CARLSON: Up at your office. They showed up my office with guns.

ALEX JONES: Armed security. Yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

The Legal Battle Over Infowars

ALEX JONES: And so I call my lawyers. They don’t even believe it’s happening. We get a hearing and the judge blocks it. Then he has a full evidentiary hearing. June 14 fires the US trustee, removes them, removes the CRO that did it in the bankruptcy, and then appoints a new one who comes in to be all buddy-buddy.

Then they say, okay, we want to sell it. And then that way proceeds have sold Infowars. But then we have buyers that are good, that’ll keep it going. The Sandy Hook families, really Democratic party says we don’t want money in court filings. We want it shut down. The judge says, no, you will sell it at an auction, but cash auction.

Then they have an auction date set the day before they say that’s canceled. It’ll be private. Bids turned in on that Monday and then the next day we will tell you the winner is. Well then it was Bloomberg financing his Everytown group, the Onion. Everybody heard the Onion had gotten Infowars. Remember that back in November.

So we countersue. The judge has hearings on December 9th and 10th, says there was never an auction that was fraudulent. You know, you guys need to settle this and you need to get money for Mr. Jones’s buyers and it needs to stop. They come back to the judge three times and say, we don’t want money. We don’t ever want it sold. We want it shut down.

So the judge said about a month ago, “I’m done. This has gone on three years. Take it to state court.” The state court is Judge Bellis that did the show trial with HBO or that’s Judge Gamble in Texas. Just like Judge Bellis running the show trial, finding me guilty. She has said as soon as she gets that she’s going to send in the constables from the county and just close the doors, lock it because they don’t want the money that it can produce. They don’t want any of that. They want it shut down.

TUCKER CARLSON: Can I ask you a reality based question here? So all of this stems.

ALEX JONES: Sorry, this is a long story, but.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, no, no. It’s a shocking story, but I just don’t want to lose the baseline facts. Okay, so all of this stems from a school shooting in Connecticut 12 years ago. 12 years ago. And you suggested on air that there was something weird about this.

ALEX JONES: I covered other people saying that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Correct. You did not commit the school shooting.

ALEX JONES: No, Adam Lanza did.

TUCKER CARLSON: Adam Lanza did.

ALEX JONES: And I said for years I believe it happened before they sued me.

The Real Issues Behind Sandy Hook

TUCKER CARLSON: Right. So we spent approximately zero time and zero money as a country trying to figure out why would Adam Lanza murder all these children. We’re all against murdering children. Some of us are against murdering all children, including in foreign countries and here in abortion clinics – just against murdering kids. Okay? So I’m not going to cede the moral high ground on kids to ghouls like this.

But we have no idea why Adam Lanza did this. No one’s trying to find out. You instead are being blamed, who are the father of four kids, for the murder of all these kids when you had literally nothing to do with the murder at all. And the actual murderer is probably brain fried on SSRIs or whatever the cause, like no one cares.

ALEX JONES: That’s right. He was on SSRIs. Like almost all of them.

TUCKER CARLSON: And.

ALEX JONES: Exactly. And here’s the finale.

TUCKER CARLSON: But like no one cares. It’s like all these people jump up and down, including some of these parents, I assume. And like, I understand they’re upset their kids are murdered. I mean, I have true compassion for them. But they’re blaming you for it?

ALEX JONES: And then raising money, hundreds of millions off my name. And his mother bought the gun legally, and then Remington was bankrupted by it and paid $73 million to them. Remember that? It just goes on and on.

And after they sued me, this one foundation’s increase went up while they were suing me during the show trials – 337% to $119 million just during that period. And their main fundraiser was me. Not to mention all the Justice Department four plus million they got. But here’s the.

TUCKER CARLSON: When you say the fundraiser was you, they were blaming you for a mass murder that you were horrified by and didn’t commit. And ignoring the actual mass murderer, blaming everyone but the murderer for political reasons.

The Coordinated Campaign

ALEX JONES: They would just say it’s like that meme where Indiana Jones moves the idol and puts the bag of sand on there. They removed Lanza and just put me on there. And it was, “He’s coming. He’s harassing us. He made all this money off of us. He’s bullying, he’s sending the stalkers, he’s attacking. Help, help, help.” With just ads everywhere. “Help, help. Help us fight Alex Jones. Help, help, help.”

And I hadn’t talked about them in years and years. Only talked about one of their names. I never even knew this FBI agent was. None of my crew said his name. My lawyer got up and said, “Have you ever – Alex Jones ever said your name?” “No.” “Has his crew ever said your name?” “No.” “Did he ever post your picture, ever talk about you?” “No.” “When’s the first time you heard about Alex Jones?” “2016.” And then he goes and does all this.

But here’s the finale. This is what I know. When you talk to Trump and others, this is important because this needs to be looked at. This is conspiracy against rights. We’re getting ready to take action on this legally. This is violation of process. This is racketeering. Cut and dry, in my view. And that’s what my legal experts agree as well. It’s cut and dry.

Turns out Paul Weiss, the big law firm that lost its intelligence agency clearances because they targeted Trump and they admitted to it – they came to Trump a month ago and they said, give us back 50 plus percent of our business. Let us have our national security clearance. We promise to stop doing lawfare against you and your supporters.

And this is an agreement. And we’ll spend $40 million on pro bono work that’s non-political. It’s in the agreement. And that’s by the way, in our legal actions about to come out. They just filed that $40 million. Of that, $20 is their suit of me. And they list the lawyers.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s their pro bono work.

The Coordinated Takeover Attempt

ALEX JONES: And they’ve been coordinating the entire bankruptcy assault. They came up with the fake auction on record that’s come out in our depositions of them. We’re suing them currently, but more is coming. They came up with the plan with the US Trustees multiple times to have fake auctions. And the judge said it was a fake auction.

They’re the ones that sent armed security on a Friday evening. I was leaving at like 7 o’clock and there’s all these guys showing up from the security company we’d already used for eight years. But all these guys I’d never seen. They’re like, “Hey man, we’re told to close the doors. They’re kicking you out for good tonight at 9. We shouldn’t have told you this,” but I knew one of the guys.

But now it’s under the court. And then I get on the phone with the head of the security company, and he goes, “Listen, man. I got this lady saying I’m a just department official. Melissa Hazelton and her lawyer, Freeman, Melissa Hazelman, Liz Freeman. And they’re telling me, we are just department officials. You must close it.” He said, “No, I want a court order.” So then I had to sleep up there because they tried to hire another security company the next day. And I knew it.

TUCKER CARLSON: And I’m going to steal your office from you.

ALEX JONES: Listen, when they did the fake auction the next day, they came and turned the Internet off because they knew I was going to appeal it. And the judge shut that down, too, and I was out of there for a few days. So there was such an outcry, the judge ordered to let us back in the building. We’ve been kicked out repeatedly once.

TUCKER CARLSON: I would leave your own building, of your own building.

ALEX JONES: So Paul Weiss has been running this whole thing with Koskov. And Koskov, it’s basically a total deep state operation with Senator Blumenthal and his son. Okay, so this is on record. But so.

TUCKER CARLSON: So.

The Hypocrisy and Ongoing Persecution

ALEX JONES: So here they are telling Trump, “Oh, yes, we’ll stop doing lawfare against you and your people.” And then now they’re billing that in the basic fine they agreed to with Trump. That’s what it is, unofficial fine. They are telling Trump, “We’re going to stop our attacks on your supporters and you.” And now they think Trump, you know, they know he’s busy, that he won’t learn that they’ve done this. So in my view, they need serious sanctions from the White House.

This isn’t about me, I’m tough. This is about this saga. Everything I’ve told you is even worse than I’m telling you – the insanity of what they’ve done. And the persecution would take days because they had four court ordered investigations that my company had to pay for. And then if the money didn’t come in, we wouldn’t make it through those investigations.

I’d tell listeners, “Hey, buy our products. We’ve got to pay to be investigated.” Four different investigations. Forensic accountants looking for dirt. They had the IRS audit me for a year. We got a $4.3 million tax return back. The IRS says we never do this. Went into the bankruptcy because I’d overpaid $4.3 million in five years, because I tell my CPAs overpay I know because I don’t want to be a target.

So there are three years of investigation. I got a $4.3 million check back and none of it was true. And then even the New York Times last year had to say, “Well, it turns out Jones had meager resources and never really had anything. It was all lies.”

So it was all lies. I did anything to them. It was all lies. I made money off of it. It was all lies. I had all this money. And the point is, now today, last night the Connecticut Supreme Court said, we’re not even going to hear your appeal. Which is ironclad abuse of process.

All the rest of it, Texas, the judge violated three laws, cut and dry. I mean, the cap is at $5 million. She said, “I don’t care about the Texas cap. I’m doing 45.” The change was 49. They just don’t care. And it’s the same in all of this lawfare. Just like a judge found Trump.

TUCKER CARLSON: You never did anything. You never broke any laws. They would have indicted you. Like, this is all so hallucinogenic. It’s so crazy.

ALEX JONES: Well, imagine it’s like I’m their chew toy and they just chew on me.

TUCKER CARLSON: But your crime. Look, I just want to refer you to the very first moments of this conversation when I pointed out once again for the hundredth time, you called 9/11 in detail before 9/11. So that is like just from my perspective as an outsider and someone who knows you, that’s like the defining fact of your life. That’s the first sentence of your obituary. No one did that, only you. That fact, I think is responsible for everything that has come after.

ALEX JONES: Well, just exactly. But just think of the scandal on record. Kyle Seraphin and he showed me the conversations with high level FBI say they’re investigating it. He’s going to come back on the show, I think tomorrow or Friday. Famous whistleblower. He read the documents and we got a lot from. But he explained, I mean this is like terrorist designation. This is espionage. So I’ve had a full espionage, counter espionage operation against me trying to find something for 10 years.

Seeking Justice

TUCKER CARLSON: So where’s the DOJ? Where’s… I mean, this is a test for the new Department of Justice, you know, brought in on the explicit promise to end the corruption, stop using our justice system, which my ancestors helped build and yours too, as a political army mobilized against domestic political opponents. That’s not allowed. That’s like Haiti stuff. We don’t do that. It’s not a Tonton Macoute. It’s the FBI. They promised to do that. So can they help you? Are they helping you?

ALEX JONES: Well, I mean, I’ll say this. Trump, cut and dry, had the same stuff done to him. He’s the only person on a wider scale that has had this. And you’ll hear him say, “It’s unbelievable. It would take a long time. It’s unbelievable.” I’ve studied the cases of you. It’s the same kind of crap. A judge in New York finds him guilty, doesn’t give him a jury trial. I mean, it goes on and on.

So what they’ve done to me, they want to do to you. But if you want that string that pulls the whole sweater apart, they think because the demonization of what they said I did to kids, I didn’t do that, the Republicans will be scared to ever defend me.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, that’s for sure.

The Legal Battle Over Alex Jones’ Identity

ALEX JONES: When in truth, it’s like the Mendez brothers. When people found out what they went through, they learned that they’d all been lied to about that. Well, this is like that. The story you’ve heard, folks, from start to finish, isn’t that they saw I was famous, they saw I was big, they tied me to Trump, try to hurt him, then they raised hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars off of me, got Justice Department money, had show trials, put out all this stuff I didn’t do on record, and then now are not just trying to kill the Second Amendment, using these poor dead children who have God rest their souls, but the First Amendment as well.

This is outrageous. And it’s a bellwether showing that Paul Ice, that big Democrat law firm, one of the top ones, would literally tell Trump, okay, we’ll stop doing political persecution. We admit to it. They confessed to lawfare against him and his supporters, his family, and then they’re still doing it to me. And they’re billing the money they said they’d pay in me. So it’s a sick joke. They think Trump won’t learn about this.

At the end of the day, I just want it to stop. We’ve survived so much. People say, oh, they were going to shut you down here. They were showing you down there. It’s in the news. They kick us out of the building in November. It’s in the news. They kicked us out in May of last year, there was a bunch of other stuff that happened.

My big deal is I’m not going to give up because they’ve said, we want to get the name Infowars. We want to confuse it and have Chubacabras and Bigfoot and we’re going to act like we’re Alex Jones. They claim they own my X account. Musk had to sue, get involved and have them back off of that. The Democrats in their filing in bankruptcy six months ago said that the amendment against slavery, 13th, doesn’t apply to me. You read it in Bloomberg from the filing. They said he is a special type of person and so just like Prince signed away his rights to a record company for his name and his music. I never signed away my rights.

So they’re saying they own the name Alex Jones. In the court filing they say they know the name real Alex Jones. They’re saying they own all my catalog of material even though it’s always been free to air and it’s my political views and it’s open. They can’t do that. I can write a book and publish it to the world and say it’s free. Somebody can’t sue me and get a bankruptcy letter and say they own a book I gave away copyright free. My show is owned by the world.

But what is it they don’t want? It’s because my older shows going back 30 years are ultra green. They’re not Evergreen where they stay the test of time. They get more important. And so the system knows that those clips are getting hundreds of millions of views. Some of them where I lay out and predict hundreds of subjects and what’s going to happen. And then I explain though so that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Intellectual property is at stake.

ALEX JONES: They are preposterously. This is new law. They think off of demonized Alex Jones. They say this. They can set a precedent to not just censor you, not just take Tucker Carlson off the air. And they said you’re the next target. Literally. I’ve seen the clips. We didn’t see him on CNN, MSNBC. That they will then take your identity which under the prohibition of slavery and under the prohibition against slavery in the Texas Constitution, all the others. You can’t take someone’s name. You can’t even take someone’s tools under state law in Texas. But no, they are saying that they own the name Alex Jones.

TUCKER CARLSON: And they own your archive of content.

ALEX JONES: Yes. And they say that they want to twist it and make fun of it. They had the Onion owner with the Everytown Bloomberg representative on this. They met Bloomberg pay for it.

TUCKER CARLSON: The new Onion owner is just an intel cutout.

ALEX JONES: I mean absolutely. From MSNBC.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m very aware.

ALEX JONES: Yeah. Censorship operator. That was his job.

TUCKER CARLSON: Who has literally no sense of humor at all. It’s the most humorless drone working on behalf of entrenched power, like in the United States. And he’s running the comedy site. It’s like the Babylon Bee. It’s also fake.

ALEX JONES: And he’s the MSNBC version of Brian Stelter.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, I’m aware, I’m aware.

ALEX JONES: I know. You’re the. Exactly. So what I’m saying is it’s a constellation of operatives, corporate media, government, Justice Department, the trustees, all of them. And they just like an army, believe they’re still going to beat America.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, I know.

ALEX JONES: And they see me as a populist firebrand folk hero. And they said that themselves. And they want to silence and destroy that person so they can then take the identity of that and turn me into Satan.

The Real Target and Lawfare

TUCKER CARLSON: So meanwhile, Adam Lanza is the guy who murdered all those children, is totally forgotten.

ALEX JONES: Yeah, and I almost apologize. I don’t really talk about this a lot on my own show. It’s just come to a head today and I’m very honored you let me run on and on, but I mean, folks, this is your country, your world. This was done, what I’ve told you, 10% of it. Okay. I mean, this is an incredible scandal.

The law firm that confessed to Trump to try to destroy him illegally with Lawfare said, Don’t worry, sir, we’ll do $40 million of good work. Non political half of that in a filing last week is me. They have gone and filed. That half of our 40 million is what we’ve done to Alex Jones. I mean, come on. I mean, look, I don’t care what happens to me. I just hope Trump takes away their national security clearance because they’re not going to stop what they’re doing. And those other law firms know exactly who they are.

TUCKER CARLSON: I agree. And you’d love to talk to the person negotiated that deal and see if he’s aware of it.

ALEX JONES: Oh, I wonder who that is in the White House. Yeah, maybe they should be looked at a little bit. Yeah. So wonder what they got.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. You know, I don’t know.

ALEX JONES: I’m just speculating here. That’s why we need to investigate. Because I mean, you know this. In racketeering laws they passed, if the Mafia says, oh, you better hire my cousin and pay me 10% or something might happen to your grocery store. And then they burn your grocery store down. They start investigating. They learn how the criminal networks operate. The mob bosses that say, go burn it down, he just says, yeah, that guy’s not paying.

And they all want to mount my head on the wall. Like you’ve got, you know, that great deer mounted on the wall over there. They want Alex Jones’s head on the wall as a symbol to scare everybody else. I mean, they said that in the courthouses and on the courthouse steps. They said, send a message to everybody else. These patients. Zero. Yeah, we’re going to take him off.

TUCKER CARLSON: Shut up and obey.

ALEX JONES: Yeah, and destroy him. And we’re going to scare every one of these other Americans to keep. I mean, literally, it’s like in Bugs Life when the head grasshopper says, yeah, we got all this grain. Why are we gonna go beat up the ants? Because one little ant stood up. He goes, yeah, one little grain doesn’t hurt because they all stand up and he pulls it into floods them. He goes, if those little puny ants outnumber us 100 to 1, and if they ever figure that out, it’s over for us. That’s why we’re going back to kill that ant.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s exactly right.

ALEX JONES: That’s it. So I’m just the ant in Bug’s Life.

Concerns About Manufactured Division and Violence

TUCKER CARLSON: You are, but it hasn’t worked. And so I want to make a prediction because I just want to be on tape saying this. I’m going to say it again, even more clearly this time. And of course, I hope I’m wrong. I pray I’m wrong. But I do think a lot of the really crazy, bitter ethnic hate that you see on social media is fake.

ALEX JONES: It’s.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s. People are saying it, don’t mean it. I think it’s like, you know, the Klansmen you’d see marching, and you’re like, they’re no Klansmen. Like, what? And of course you find out that it’s all. It’s fake and it’s designed to convince people that there’s like a lot of roiling ethnic hatred that doesn’t really exist. And. And that’s a predicate.

ALEX JONES: The Patriot Front.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly. It’s. It’s Charlottesville that’s happening online right now. And I know that it is. And I think that at some point, I pray I’m wrong, but there’s gonna be an act of violence. Ethnic inspired violence. Of hate. Inspired violence, Actual hate. Like killing people. And I really hope I’m wrong, but I feel like this is real. And that event will be used to shut down free speech on social media.

ALEX JONES: I 100 because that is the threat.

TUCKER CARLSON: And you saw with TikTok like, oh, we need to ban TikTok because China owns it. No, nothing to do with China. It had everything to do with opinions that the people in charge didn’t like being expressed there. And it’s like, we’re just gonna. And the Congress went along with it, but if there’s an act of violence and innocents are murdered, and I pray that doesn’t happen, because I hate that above all. But it has happened, and I feel like it could happen again.

And people say. And a lot of good people will go along with it, just like they went along with the censorship of you and the destruction of your life, because they were told, like, he’s bad. He had something to do with murdering children. And then people just shut down. They’re like, you know, I don’t know. Alex Jones has sent me with murdering children. So whatever they do to Alex Jones, like, is fine.

ALEX JONES: I can’t tell you how many times in front of my family, people walk up and they go, you killed those kids.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly.

ALEX JONES: And I’ll always go, really? I did, huh? And why am I walking around? And then just like, well, you. You know what you did.

TUCKER CARLSON: But.

ALEX JONES: But. But what you said is so important. The last ingredients is the false flag on a big illegal alien demonstration or a black church, because the Democrats keep saying, Trump’s coming to kill the migrants. We gotta rise up.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, Or. Or something else like that, but where innocents are murdered by a crazy person. A crazy person. Or maybe an actual crazy person. Used or whatever. Or maybe it just happens organically. Maybe if you stoke enough ethnic division online, it’s clearly. I mean, there are people who have, you know, views that are, you know, are mad at other ethnicities. I mean, that’s. That’s real. Okay. But there are also big actors who are not real. They’re doing it on purpose.

ALEX JONES: And we know who they are.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes, we do know who they are.

ALEX JONES: And for strategic reasons.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m not. I don’t want to get involved in all that filth, but let’s just say.

ALEX JONES: We’ve seen the documents separately, a hundred.

TUCKER CARLSON: Percent, and they’re stoking this stuff, and maybe it just organically inspires someone to commit murder, a mass murder. And again, I just pray, as someone who hates all violence to say it again, I pray that’s not the case. But.

ALEX JONES: Well, let’s just say this. The people they’re mainly attacking are the ones financing them. It’s the oldest trick in the book.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: Hungarian dialectic. And so just be aware of that, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: And I Just don’t. Yeah. And I think you’re what anyone reason I bring that up is because I worry about it every day.

ALEX JONES: I do too, because that’s the next big move.

TUCKER CARLSON: Free speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, it’s not a free society. You’re a slave. If you can’t say what you think, you’re a slave. It’s really simple. And we don’t have slavery in this country. It’s a free country.

Predicting and Preventing False Flags

ALEX JONES: And when it happens, I pray it doesn’t, that’s the next move. So we’re predicting this so that there’s enough eyes and ears on it and enough people watching so they don’t pull it off. Because that’s the thing. Everything I used to predict basically came true because the globalists were still in power. They’re so disorganized, have so many problems now. A lot of times when we’re able to get out ahead of things, you and others and Trump and Joe Rogan, we’re able. And Elon’s the huge voice, you know, second only to Trump. We’re able to disrupt what they’re doing. And enough people see through it. So if it does happen, they try to stampede us into blaming whoever it is. Oh, the crooks guy, you know, he acted alone. Well, this will be some right wing Trump supporter with the MAGA hat, 100% killed by the SWAT team.

TUCKER CARLSON: He was inspired by hate online. Therefore, you’re not allowed to have legitimate opinions or your own opinions. And you know, God can decide whether they’re legitimate or not. But if you’re a free man, a free person, you have a right to say what you really believe, period. And that cannot be encumbered. Or else you’re a slave.

The Fight to Keep Infowars Running

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. And you know, we get back to the spiritual battle here. I just want people to know that my lawyers just told me, put you on speaker with them. They said I could be shut down within two days, two weeks. They are coming to shut down Infowars. We’ve survived so much like a long boxing match. People are like, oh, yeah, right. No, this is very, very real. This has been very, very serious. And so, you know, for now, people can find me on Exit Real Alex Jones. But that part doesn’t matter. People understand more and more how things work. All of your voices are so important. All of you sharing this interview, sharing the other great work Tucker’s doing, all the courage he has and others have to really put it on the line. You know, we haven’t even talked about Iran.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, give me your five minute. I mean I should say, I think this interview is going up tonight. We’re going to try to get it up in a few hours. But that’s such a dynamic situation. Steve Wyckoff apparently is meeting directly with the Iranians, which I think is such a great, it’s a blessing but, and I hope for the best. But give us your five minute overview. Like what is that and where is that going?

The Iran Situation and Nuclear Threats

ALEX JONES: Well, Iran’s plan B for the globalist. And Iran’s got its issues and its Shiite militias and all that. I’m not lionizing the moolahs.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, you’re not?

ALEX JONES: But they’ve been isolated. Israel has knocked out their proxy forces in Lebanon and Gaza and in the West Bank. And Netanyahu is extremely unpopular. He’s been indicted and he said he doesn’t want an investigation in January. Excuse me, he doesn’t want an investigation of October 7th until the war is over. But then he never, you know, he’s going to have the war be over. So I’m not even against Netanyahu. I’m not against Israel. I know most people in Israel don’t want war with Iran either. But he’s been trying to drag us into war since 9/11. That’s how long he’s been around and in power, off and on into this.

And they have the most ballistic missiles in the world. What it is 4 to 1, 5 to 1, 6 to 1 to even the Israeli anti missile defense system. Israel, as you know, only has three big cities. They will get blown off the map by this conventionally, even if Iran doesn’t have nukes and uses them, and the word is they do, Israel will nuke Iran and then all hell is going to break loose. And in most scenarios, India and Pakistan start nuking each other. Saudi Arabia’s got nukes. There’s a lot of other countries that have nukes that people don’t know about.

You don’t want even a limited nuclear war because in most big threat assessment, war games breaks out. He talks to the experts. It’s kind of like your neighbor has the black plague. Well, you might get it or your neighbor has got syphilis. God forbid you have sex with them. I mean, this is a lot worse than syphilis, is a lot worse than TB. This is really dangerous.

And Iran does have proxy forces in Europe and the United States that Biden let get in, and they really do have some of these sleeper cells that are here, that this does go to full war, they can cause some major problems. And different foreign intelligence agencies are famous for spoofing Iranians and Saudi Arabian terror attacks. They could easily stage a big false flag to get us into a war with Iran.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m aware. Yeah.

ALEX JONES: And the Russians have warned, and before they did, I warned of attacks on nuclear power plants in Ukraine and Russia. Try to blame Russia. Ukraine’s done that. Been caught. Ukraine and NATO tried to blame Russia for the Nord Stream pipeline. How laughable is that? Of course, I heard his information has been proven, you know, that obviously it was the U.S. government with NATO. I mean, hell, even Biden said, you know, we’ll get rid of the pipeline if you invade.

So the globalists are very reckless. Again, 50% chance. The Pentagon said if they started bombing Russia, Russia would nuke. They still rolled the dice. So we need really cool heads here. This is not like going into Iraq twice. This is not like going into Libya. This is not a cakewalk, even for people that love to, you know, buy a bottle of bourbon and sit back and get drunk watching, you know, a war like so many sick people do. This is the main threat to civilization. And, I mean, Tucker, you really have all the connections. You travel the world, you cover these summits.

Reckless Leadership and Public Apathy

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t know anything other than I think that people in charge of a bunch of different countries are reckless on a level that’s without precedent in the modern era. And I don’t think they’re serving their own people, by the way, leaders like that. It’s not just like you’ve got a bellicose leader who’s threatening war or whatever. It doesn’t necessarily mean the people he rules are being served. He’s putting their lives at risk. Our leaders have put our lives at risk for no good reason.

And so I’m hardly an expert in anything. I’m just an observer. And it’s just all so obvious. And I’m really worried about. My last question to you is you get this sense that there’s like a spirit of dullness or fantasy. Maybe it’s connected to living digitally or something. But, like, smart, aware people are no longer smart or aware they’re sort of sleepwalking through this incredibly dangerous moment, and they don’t even acknowledge any of it. And they’re like, what is that?

ALEX JONES: Well, that was the description I was going to use there’s like a mistake.

TUCKER CARLSON: That settles over all of us and like, we can’t. It’s like no one is even like, awake. What is that?

Sleepwalking Into Armageddon

ALEX JONES: Well, that’s how I describe it, is how you describe it. We’re sleepwalking into Armageddon. The Bible calls it a spell. That way, medically, they would call it a trance. And you know, since the Advent, I say that sarcastically, of television and everybody gathering around it, people are way more highly suggestible. Most people are closer to a near dream state or daydream state pretty much all the time.

TUCKER CARLSON: Feels that way.

ALEX JONES: You go to a movie, see everybody kind of drool. And I’ve never really had a lot of suspicious belief. When I was a kid, I was always analyzing things.

TUCKER CARLSON: Me too.

ALEX JONES: And so I guess that’s a gift, but also it’s kind of torture. It’d be fun to just be able to be mindless sometimes. But yeah, and the establishment itself is all about never actually making a decision. Then get in trouble for having committees, having groups, having a kind of BE policy where no one can be accountable. But then that creates a runaway train scenario where then only the most reckless people that are the craziest kind of become the consensus because nobody else wants to challenge them.

And through Trump and Elon saying, hey, we don’t want war, we don’t want a meat grinder. This is too dangerous. This is crazy. We want to stabilize civilization. We want to have more kids, not less. Every actuary shows we collapse if we don’t. Those are conscious. You look at Trump, conscious, awake, sharp, Elon, conscious, aware, sharp. So many others.

And then it’s a system of kind of quasi zombies and zombies run by a few kleptocrat psycho demon possessed people that don’t want us waking up the zombies. So that’s why they’re mad at me. It’s why they’re mad at Elon, it’s why they’re mad at you, is that we are trying to collectively get people to wake up. Because the wheel on the ship is so heavy and so big, a few of us can’t turn it. But if we get more people politically engaged and aware together, we’re able to turn the wheel as we’re about to go over this waterfall 5,000ft and get killed.

And so it’s people that are dialed in and conscious versus people that are unconscious in the middle, versus evil that is driven by a very nihilistic destructive force. And that’s what the transhumanism is about. I mean I remember 30 years ago reading government white papers that were public, the listeners sent me medical people that they had human animal hybrids they could grow in cows for organ harvesting and that. And of course that’s been admitted for 20 years now, but just last week, hundreds of articles oh, we can grow humanoids for organ harvesting. Don’t worry though, they don’t have consciousness. We’ve already raised them at undisclosed laboratories.

And then it’s in the MIT reports that they’ve done it or I remember 30 years ago, oh, military bases have goats that are part spider that produce body armor out of their milk, but we don’t show them to you. And then later they brought them out and then, oh, oh, we have dire wolves living in an undisclosed location where we spliced 13,000 year old DNA with a regular wolf. And my point is the future has been here for a while, it’s just not evenly distributed. So you’ve got this super advanced sectors of technology, literally underground bases and facilities and you’ve got an establishment, a very small technocracy that’s even aware of those systems.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

The Elite’s Agenda for Population Control

ALEX JONES: And they don’t want to give the general population access to that. So to them they want a nuclear war. They think it’s survivable in their underground bases. And Ian Fleming, former high level OSS, MI6, wrote the James Bond books. Remember the 80s, Moonraker with Roger Moore. And remember there’s a crazy billionaire with these other billionaires with an underground base in Brazil that’s going to release a bioweapon on the Earth to kill everybody. But it only goes for a year. He’s going to go up to space while everybody dies on Earth at their space station and then come back and repopulate the earth. And he’s a eugenicist. And they only have the best specimens of the humans to do it.

In the movie Zardoz with Sean Connery in the 70s and Logan’s Run and The Island and THX 1138. And then you have Aldous Huxley who wrote Brave New World in ’32. His brother Julian Huxley was the head of the World Eugenic Society when that got a bad name. After World War II they changed to the World Transhumanist Society. He was the Director General of UNESCO, really ran the UN.

And his brother before he died gave that famous Berkeley speech an hour long. And I’ve read his book Brave New World Revisited. That’s non-fiction, everybody should read it. And he says no, no, no, the world’s not going to be like Orwell with the SWAT teams. That’s for the 1% that might resist the real plan. The reason I could write Brave New World is this was the consensus of the elite in Europe and England of the world. We’re going to build with genetically engineered people a subspecies that serves us. Everyone taking Soma, everyone’s controlled.

And he explains in that Berkeley speech, if you don’t read the book, he gives a synopsis that this is a real plan that he saw being in place by 2020. And so you have to understand, Brave New World is an instruction manual of what they want to do. They want to turn humans into a commodity. That’s why Obama calls it the end of history, where there are no more cycles, where everything’s controlled, where 90% of the world population is reduced. And maybe if you serve them right or whatever the 10% is here.

The Technocratic Vision

But there’s these gods on Mount Olympus or these Elysium demigods that are the technocrats that control everything and everybody is wired into their brains. And the technocrats control the AI. And then they play God. Like Ray Kurzweil said, I don’t believe in God yet. I’m going to become one. You all know Harari, I don’t believe in God yet, but there will be one in the cloud of AI.

And so I’ll just say this. The best laid plans of mice and men often go astray is the famous writer said, and these people are prideful, they’re satanic. Yes, and it’s all going to end in disaster. We have to choose God, we have to choose justice, we have to choose free will and we have to get out of nature more. And we have to disconnect from the system’s lies and then only go into the system to basically tell the truth and just know that if you’re fighting evil, evil’s going to come after you. But that’s a blessing and it’s very rewarding. And the experiences you have in that quest are the greatest experiences of my life. And you find out who’s real, you find out who’s not real.

Legal Warfare Against Free Speech

I just see the arrogance of these lawyers. It’s warfare, it’s lawfare through the agencies that are running them. And what they’ve done to me, they want to do to you. Like Trump said a thousand times, they’re not trying to get me, they got to get through me to get to you. That is true. And so that’s why I do want to see action from the White House. I do want to see the Justice Department take action because my case, because they felt like it’s free game on me that it’s just open season.

They’ve been more transparent. I mean, it’s illegal, in my view, to have the Justice Department fund these lawsuits. It’s illegal to have the FBI go create these. It’s illegal for Obama to list me as a national security terrorist and have a dragnet for decades. And then all of this concerted is the stalking. All of this concerted is the racketeering. And that’s what it is by definition, conspiracy against rights.

And then they’re just sitting back laughing and going, “Oh, Trump, 40 million to help poor people. We won’t be political anymore. We’re using it for Alex Jones.” These people need to be called on this. They operate in darkness. They operate because people are too busy. They operate thinking you’re never going to figure out what they’re doing. And more and more they’re scared. But I would have thought with all this coming out, they would back off. No, instead, they’ve gotten scared because the Connecticut Supreme Court, all them, are going to hear this now. They said suddenly they reversed it. No, we’re not hearing it now. Yeah, because they think, just shut him down, shut him up.

It’s not going to work. If they shut down Infowars and I don’t throw fights, I’m fighting right to the end. But if they’re able to do that and everybody sees that, it’s only going to make what I do that much bigger. But again, like when they, the establishment tried to kill Trump, that’s when the establishment went from collapsing to collapsed. So their order is over.

The Radicalized Left

And I like it. In closing, the Japanese soldiers, the last one, 27 years later, because the Japanese were losing in the Pacific, as you know, Tucker, they would dump soldiers out on islands to frustrate and harass the Allies coming in the U.S., England and the Australians and the New Zealanders that fought the Pacific War. And so the last guy 27 years later was still on an island shooting at people and stuff, thinking that he still had to fight for the emperor until he found out, no, the war’s been over 27 years.

So the radicalized death cult left. The Jacobins are just running around like chickens with their heads cut off, like zombies. Attack, attack, attack. Everyone’s a Nazi. Cutting women off in traffic, getting out, beating up women because they’re driving a Tesla, being proud of it. I mean, they have been radicalized into a cult. And that’s what Klaus Schwab said. He said we’re collapsing Western civilization by creating an angrier world. We’ve got to not target each other. We’ve got to target the policies and ideas of globalists and dismantle the policies and have a big tent to unify behind stopping nuclear war.

TUCKER CARLSON: You know, you just, you pray you live long enough to affect good in the world. And I definitely pray that for you. Alex Jones, thank you.

ALEX JONES: Thank you, Tucker, so much. You’re the best.

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