Transcript: Russell Brand Interviews Tommy Robinson

At our summer school there, they were coming under attack by gangs of young kids on the estate. 30, 40 youths on a Friday night were smashing the windows, attacking them, calling them terrorists and chanting EDL. And back then, this is during the English Defence League days, the Sikhs had rang me. I’d gone down onto the estate on a Friday night with some of the lads, met the kids and they’re like, “Tommy,” I said, “what’s going on with the summer school?” And they said, “oh, they’re terrorists.” So glad they’re not terrorists, man. Do you know the history of them? And we. And it’s just education.

And after sitting with the kids, we then bought all the kids up to the Sikh summer school as the Sikhs come out and totally broke down that barrier. Yeah. Because there’s a lot of barriers now.

Building Coalitions

TOMMY ROBINSON: What you’re going to see us do is unify Britain and for the purpose. And the reason I had the meeting with the Sikh yesterday, they’re concerned, their community are concerned because this anti. Anti migrant sentiment which is now exploding against mass immigration. Their concern is that it’s not just against bad migrants, it’s not just against those that have come and taken liberties and taken the piss in Britain. They’re worried that. And we’re actually seeing this. I know there’s been a lot of. A lot of attacks against Indians from what I’m seeing. Yeah. I haven’t gone down the rabbit hole on it across Europe now.

So what we will do. So I had a meeting with the Sikhs and said, I believe it’s imperative that you show where you stand on this issue and that Sikhs and they have always done this anyway, every one of our events are Sikhs. Yeah. But I believe you need Sikh representation speaking our event. I believe you need black representation speaking at our event, which we will have and we do have. Now. I have spoke to a Muslim lady about coming to our event, whether they do or not.

But my, my issue with Britain and what we want to do and when. When you’re talking about how people unite in. Against the. The control element of the government, the Betrayal of the government.

RUSSELL BRAND: I think what we’re seeing.

The 15-Year Wait

TOMMY ROBINSON: I’m excited with what I’m seeing because I’ve waited 15 years for this. Yeah. In the sense that I’ve been banging my head against the wall sometimes trying to warn the public about problems that I know are coming. And people didn’t want to listen to them or didn’t want to accept them because it might burst the bubble of their life. And I could see all this and it wasn’t because I had a crystal ball. It was because I was born in Luton town.

So I’d look to Luton Town. I’d seen mass immigration. I know growing up in one of the most diverse towns in Britain, I know what works and what doesn’t work, per se. Christian immigration from any nation works. It does. Okay. There’s a massive difference. The problems in London are not coming out of the Christian black community either. Yeah. The churches that are full, the fam. When they still have the family unit, there’s not a problem. Okay.

The problem does come growing up in Luton from Islam, which is what I talk about. And that again, Russell, just to make it clear, because I know some great Muslims who I’ve grown up with. I’m not saying every single Muslim is a problem. Yeah. That’s why I say Muslims aren’t the problem. Islamic teachings is. Teachings are.

Although you used to be very liberal, I actually still say it’s my liberal views that make me oppose Islam and its teachings. It’s their views on women. It’s the oppression of women, the violence, the execution of homosexuals. These fascist violent ideas are core teachings of Islam. It’s not like they are core parts of Islam.

The Cultural Void and Christian Revival

TOMMY ROBINSON: But what’s currently happening, Russell, across this country is a tidal wave of nationalism and patriotism. Remember, people have been made to feel ashamed of who they are. We’ve lost our identity, we’ve lost our culture. And a void has been filled. And that void has been filled because part of the identity and culture we’ve lost is Christianity. There’s been an attack on Christianity, an organized, well planned attack. And not just on the family. Christianity.

And when you, when you have a country that has no belief, which is what we pretty much become, when you have a country that has no belief, you leave a void. Now that void can be filled by Islam. Marxism, socialism, Communism and all these other ideas become celebrated and pushed. And that’s what we’ve seen.

And something, as I talk about a British revolution brewing, there’s also a Christian revival brewing. And I saw on, on our first event and the Christian. And the figures of young men attending church. Show this. The figures. And I saw something which I couldn’t explain at the time. Yeah. We held our first event. Russell, I don’t know if you, I don’t know if you know what the plan was behind the United Kingdom. I don’t know if you followed it. No.

The United Kingdom Plan

TOMMY ROBINSON: So we, I, I sat and watched as our cultures decaying, as free speeches under attack. All of these issues. I’m watching them. Yeah. And we all know it. And I, we called a meeting and it was myself, Katie Hopkins, Cole, Benjamin Lawrence Fox, Calvin Robinson, Paul Thorpe, lots of alternative journalists, commentators, influencers. We had young tiktokers, boxers, comedians. We held a private meeting for a day.

And the idea of the meeting was to bring these people together to decide. We don’t have to agree on everything. Yeah, but what we have to agree on is the. Britain’s in trouble. We need to make it cool to be British because it’s not, at the minute, it’s cool to be Islamic, which is why everyone’s converting. So we need to make it cool to be British. We need to stand up for certain values and agree on certain values. What can we agree on? Because lots of us won’t agree on things. And you’d have to agree with me on Islam.

This isn’t about Islam, it’s about British culture, British identity, freedom of speech, prevent sexualization of children, the indoctrination through the education system. So we had a meeting, we had a few days.

RUSSELL BRAND: Do that list again, mate. Do the list, Tommy. Do the list again, mate. Do that little list.

TOMMY ROBINSON: I’m not the people.

RUSSELL BRAND: The principals. The principals. The principles.

The Unite the Kingdom Movement

TOMMY ROBINSON: Oh, the principles. So freedom of speech, against sexualization of children, against the indoctrination of the education system with the transgenderism, everything like that. British culture, British identity.

So we put together these points and we were looking at a focus called the Pledge. It was a focus called the Pledge where we would approach everyone, even like yourself, Russell. And say to influencers, “Can we all just agree on these principles? Forget the rest of it. And anything that opposes these principles – politicians, organizations, groups – we will unite against them.”

So the idea was, we met, we worked on a brand and a name: Unite the Kingdom. That’s what we want to do. We want to unite the Kingdom. And we wanted to, we looked at politics and I believe that if we change the culture, we change the politics.

So when you see United Kingdom and you see this event that’s coming on Saturday, this was put together by 20 people who sat and spent days together and then weeks after that negotiating, coming backwards and forwards on what this movement does and what it stands for. And the idea was that if we change the culture, we change the politics.

Building Community Through Events

So we come together. We had the idea of an event. Our first event was on the 1st of June and 30,000 people turned up. We had a festival, we had free speech, we had music, we had celebration and we had identity. And what it done for the people that turned up, it gave them something that we’ve lost in this country. It gave them a sense of identity, belief, but brotherhood and sisterhood. It gave them a community.

I saw it with the English Defence League, Russell. The same sort of people joining the Defence League are the same sort of people that convert to Islam. It’s the same. It was people searching, searching for something they’ve lost.

So that’s what happened. We held the first one, the second one had a hundred thousand people. We worked with the Metropolitan Police force. We’ve totally done a 360 on the relationship with the police. I believe that we were purposely put against the police and the police were purposely put against us.

Working with Police

The reputation of the Metropolitan Police Force was dragged through the gutter for years due to politicized policing, where they were sent out to smash us and they purposely allowed, which I’ve now learned. Remember, I’ve held 80 national demonstrations. I know how to play it. I know what you have to do.

So, for example, when you agree a route with a demonstration, if you go off that route, it gives the police the ability to fortify a road and block a road. Your supporters end up clashing with the police. It takes one person to cause mayhem. So that’s very easy. And that’s been done to us a lot.

So the way we work with the police now, from the first meetings, and that’s why we’re seeing the success we’re going to see. That’s why when we work with the police, we take the hotspots, which I’ve just done. I’ve done a route last week with 10 police officers, the public order officers, the senior planners, the gold commanders. And we went with our security, with our stewards. We walked the route and see where can there be a possibility of friction.

We know there can be one on this junction because where we turn they’re going to have police wagons. We’ll put 25 stewards there. We know there will be one outside Downing Street in case our supporters try to go to the gates and there’s police officers there. We’ll put 30 stewards and security there. We don’t want the police to clash with our supporters. We don’t want to see police with riot shields because it provokes reaction.

So we’ve worked tirelessly to build a community and to build a safe space because families can come and have their say and send a message to British establishment. And we had a hundred thousand when then I was put in prison as you know.

Media Coverage and Corruption

Thank you by the way, Russell, for covering the film that I was in prison for. I’m not allowed to promote that film because I go back to prison. But I saw that you covered it. I’m grateful because so many didn’t and I think it was an important story and it showed the corruption of the judiciary and it showed the corruption of the media.

But that’s what we’ve created and I’m not just saying this, Russell, keep your eyes and anyone watching this, keep your eyes on London on September 13. The numbers and the scenes coming out of our capital city are going to shock the world.

The Migration Issue

The entire western nation, every western nation have faced the same. It’s not a mistake. Our towns and cities are being flooded. I don’t blame the migrants. If I could leave England, if we were poverty stricken here and I could leave and go to another country, get a four star hotel, sit there, get paid, get fed, get clothing, get everything and then wait to bring my family over, I probably would. So I don’t blame them.

But what our establishment are allowing, it’s people trafficking, it’s to benefit the corporations, it’s to lower wages, it’s to cause friction, it’s to cause disruption. So we’re watching it and the change that’s happened in the last 18 months, I don’t think there’s probably ever in our generation going to be a shift in public opinion, emotion, passion and feeling the way there has now. Something huge is happening, there’s no question about that.

Russell Brand’s Response

RUSSELL BRAND: Thank you for explaining. You explained that really well. You said that really well. Thanks as always. I reckon I want to say this near the beginning so that I’ve said it because you know, maybe people will clip it up and that. What I admire about you is your bravery, your authenticity, your willingness to suffer for what you believe in. I agree with those principles I aspire to, I aspire to those principles.

Now the areas and because I’m a person that exists in the media, I don’t know what judgments I have against you, that ain’t even fair judgments, because they’re judgments that I’ve had sold to me by media that has a vested interest in you looking a certain way. Because I do know this: show me the man and I’ll show you the crime. So if they’ve got you, a former casual from Luton, they’re going to emphasize violence. If they’ve got me, a womanizer that’s gone through Hollywood, they’re going to emphasize sex. So I know how it works.

The Importance of Love and Democracy

But what I pray for in this, and I agree with you that this is a unique moment, is that love is at the forefront, because Christ is about love above all else. And what concerns me, and I was really happy to hear you say that about migrants, is, yeah, of course migrants will come over if there’s an opportunity for them. Why wouldn’t they?

And I do sometimes still think, Tommy, that Britain’s history of imperialism and colonialism does mean that there’s this kind of debt. That debt shouldn’t be being paid by the people of Epping, by the way. If anywhere, it should be paid by the people of Knightsbridge or Kensington or the Chilterns or whatever.

But there’s a lot of, like you say, for example, there’s one MP and he was the one that owned estates. When I got involved with a working class community in East London that were campaigning to keep their flats, he ended up being some, I think he was called something like Richard Bunyan. He had a massive estate out in Oxfordshire, as well as his big houses in London. And his money literally did come from slavery. They still had plantations that weren’t run by slaves no more, but out in the West Indies.

So I guess what I’m circling is these two ideas. One, I believe I actually do believe in democracy. So whether I agree with it or not, if British people don’t want migration, that’s the end of the conversation. If in a democracy, if they don’t want it, that’s the end of it. My personal opinion is if you do believe in migration and refugees and all of that, that you should be prepared to pay that cost locally. But above that, it should be localized. If you live in Barnes and you’re totally down with migration, don’t have them in Epping or Luton or Bradford or wherever.

Focus on Real Power

Also, mate, what I want to say is that because the social cohesion and love is so important, I sometimes wonder with the movement that you have been participating in for as long as I’ve ever first heard your name, if the part of the focus, in addition to your concerns about Islam, which I don’t share to the same degree, although I know you know what you’ve read and I know what you say, and you’ve been inside with Muslim populations and have feared for your life and have had personal confrontations and all that, and I’m not trying to diminish any of that.

But because when I’ve lived in East London and gone to East London mosque, one of the things I felt is if there was ever a way that British Muslims and the British working class and ordinary people, which now, as you’ve emphasized at the beginning, includes Sikhs, black people, whatever, if there could be a truce and an ease there, an acceptance of whatever the population is that’s Muslim now, that’s in Britain, and that’s got to be worked out.

But if that alliance could be formed, or at least a kind of truce, then our focus would fall upon corporate commercial partnerships. And that’s where I think real power is, Tommy, in the media, in the government, in global alliances that transcend national power.

And whilst migration is much more in people’s faces and in people’s streets, and particularly if there’s something incendiary like sexual abuse, I can see why people’s focus would fall on that. I feel like if you are able to purge Britain of Islam, absolutely, you would still have the problem of a government that’s controlled by bureaucracies. You would still have the problem of a military industrial complex. You’d still have the problem of mass surveillance.

And in fact, I think they benefit from there being confrontation and conflict between working people of different faiths. So I know you’ve been on the receiving end of attacks from Panorama, from the media. I know that your story in particular tells us something about modern politics.

The Changing Media Landscape

Because the way I’ve reported on this is I’ve said, like Tommy Robinson, whatever you think of Tommy Robinson, the British establishment don’t like him. Whatever you think of him, they’re working pretty hard to get rid of him. Furthermore, we live in a time where Tommy Robinson can make a film, Elon Musk reposts it. They can’t shut that down. So you want to recognize that the world’s a different shape now and we’ve got to come to terms with that.

And I think it’s important, obviously, because I’ve been accused of the worst things I think you can accuse a man of, except for pedophilia. I’m sympathetic to what can happen to people if you say the wrong thing at the wrong time and mess with the wrong interests.

So really what I want to ask you about is this: Do you think that there is a sense that there’s a bit too much anger and hate in the nationalist movement in the UK? Whether that’s English Defence League or this current iteration? Even though I recognize that’s something you’re working on. Are you concerned, do you think that part of what the movement should focus on is inclusivity and where real power is located, with the relationships between government, media and international interests?

The Challenge of Integration

TOMMY ROBINSON: I get the point. I totally get the point. Russell, do you remember English Defence League demonstration? I think 2011, we were in Tower Hamlets. You were there against us. You had a banner. You was on the opposite. I can remember because I hated you back then. You was with the Muslim community.

My point is when all this was going on, when we’re talking about making truces, when you talk about making truce, how do we make a truce with the 40,000 British Muslims who are on a terrorist watch list? How do we do that? And when we say about all coming here and working together, Muslims have been here what, 40, 50 years? In reality, just speaking honestly, has their community integrated and assimilated? It’s not. It’s not working in Luton, it’s not working in Birmingham, it’s not working in Bradford.

The Muslim community might work as a Muslim community, but it’s not working as an integrated, assimilated British community. It’s just not. That’s the truth. And when we look at the statistics of any of the dangers, so two-thirds of British Muslims, 66% of British Muslims would not report on another Muslim who was joining ISIS. We’ve got a problem.

So 33% of British Muslims want Sharia law in the UK. It’s 1.2 million. How do we integrate or call a truce with 1.2 million people who wish to overthrow democracy and replace it with a supremacist Islamic ideology that would treat us as second class citizens? How do we do that? So I understand, I understand.

RUSSELL BRAND: Well, I actually do have an answer to that question. But if you’ve not finished speaking carry on, Tommy, because we’re doing alright for a couple of people that can rabbit. We’re doing a good job of listening, so I’m not going to interrupt you if you’ve not finished. I know that might have been a rhetorical question, but my answer to that question. Go on, Tommy.

Continuing the Conversation

TOMMY ROBINSON: Go, mate, give me the answer.

RUSSELL BRAND: No, you put the phone down first. No, you put the phone down first. No, you hang up first. You didn’t put the phone down either. You didn’t put the phone down either. So I didn’t know it was going to become a bromance so quickly.

This is what I’d say: if there are 1.2 million Muslims in the UK and those statistics about ISIS and whatnot. What I would say is if, like Bradford, but the examples used Bradford, Luton, Birmingham, how do you grant autonomy and control to those people in those communities without it being disruptive?

I would say probably something along the lines of, alright, you know, because like part of your film and a lot of your campaigning work is noticing, observing and journaling the political power that belongs to the members of that community, whether it’s mayoralty or councils or even members of Parliament.

TOMMY ROBINSON: Right?

RUSSELL BRAND: So I would say, mate, go. All right, like these areas have essentially become Muslim areas. In these areas you should be granted autonomy and freedom. Let’s hold a referendum on what level of migration British people want. And if it’s zero, net zero, then that’s the end of that. No more migration to the UK, full stop.

And I would say that in. I would say that the answer to the problems you’re outlining comes with maximally localizing power. Whether that’s the people of Epping or the people of Luton or the people of Bradford acknowledging that we’re not going to. Are we deport 1.2 million Muslims, Muslims that have been born, bred, grown up, played football with, lived with, got married into, you know, that’s that.

But if Britain is, and I would say it is a Christian company, a Christian country, that they should be governed according to Christian principles and part of Christianity would at least be tolerance and acceptance of other faiths. If they’re not against us, with that proviso, not against us. So I would say that that’s how it’s done with localizing power. Except in Bradford’s Bradford, Birmingham’s Birmingham. East London is East London. Finsbury Park’s Finsbury park. Like now, how are we going to minimize conflict? Minimize, not maximize.

The Bradford Example

TOMMY ROBINSON: So say, for example, we pick Bradford there, Bradford. So 76% of Pakistani Muslims in Bradford marry their cousins, first cousins. So Pakistanis make up 3% of the UK population. They’re responsible for 33% of child defects. Do you have any idea what the cost of that is on our economy? Why do they do that? Because Muhammad married his cousin.

Yeah, I’m sorry, in Britain that is not acceptable. And that. And so when we look, if we say local, localize things, but when the town becomes Islamic and we allow them to localize it and there’s still some non Muslims there, what are they going to do? Even under democracy. Yeah, they’ll use democracy to finish democracy.

So my point is, my point is in London, where London is now 30% English, is that acceptable? Is it acceptable for the whole of the UK to become 30% English and a majority Muslim nation? Is that acceptable? Do you think that’s acceptable, Russell?

RUSSELL BRAND: No, I don’t. I think that the United Kingdom should be Christian. I think that the whole world should be Christian. I think every individual in the world should be Christian. But as a Christian, I believe in free speech and I believe in the right to choose your freedom, faith and find your own way to God.

And even continuing my example of localization there, Tommy, what I say is that with that if you had true localization financially and budgetarily also that it would be in Bradford, that percentage of intermarrying was contained, they would have their own budget for hospitals and yeah, you would have some non Muslim people living in Bradford and in a sensibly managed, decentralized country, those people could determine whether or not they were going to live there.

I think our priorities should be maximum power to the individuals of the UK, that we should no longer be thinking of default progress. That progress just means the acquisition of more technology, more objects. We should think that we want people to be working, we want people to have control in their communities. We should be supporting farmers and agriculture where possible. People should be in food that was grown and reared as near as possible to where it’s being eaten. Where possible. People should be voting for the control of their own budgets.

I’m just saying that we should at the beginning, at the outset of this say there’s got to be the alternative to accepting that there is. Britain now has the percentages and you’re very good with all that, the demographics and the percentages. I respect you for that. But that’s how it is now. The position, your movement, I would propose, and our movement, if it was to develop, can’t be we’re deporting Muslims or like it’s got to be seen as love. It’s got. Because otherwise with them.

And also, who’s going to be the main beneficiary of all this stuff you’re doing, mate? What’s coming down the pipe? All this stuff you’re doing? The main beneficiary will be Nigel Farage who denounces or even denounces you or whatever. And I don’t know if his position will change. He’ll do weather’s expedient. But don’t you think that all this is going to mean reform because it will get packaged up and plasticized.

And me personally, I reckon there’s got to be a way to live harmoniously. I’d like it if we could meet across them barricades. Me being generally supportive of Muslims, especially if it’s a loving, peaceful Islam. That’s not about some of the things that you’ve itinerarized and because one of the most informative experiences I had with getting involved with protests was early on, right, I was just in London by Transworld one day and the Liverpool dockers were protesting.

So I was thinking, now this is obviously like working. I didn’t even think about it, but obviously that’s working class. Their dockers, it all kicked off. They’re throwing paving slabs around. It went proper mental. Police horses, Trafalgar Square, you know the sort of scene. And then one way or another, I got pushed to the front of it because I was excited. I was just excited by the chaos, to be honest, mate. Like there’s some of us can handle a little bit of chaos.

TOMMY ROBINSON: Someone throw you in the. Someone for you in Spag Square.

RUSSELL BRAND: Yeah, you like that? You enjoyed that. I can see you go off on that. I can see you smiling. You’re loving it. I bet you did it, little geezer. You hit that geezer on the train, you hit that geezer on the tube. That bloke at Center Parks was innocent. You took your brother in law’s passport. You got a moody mortgage. You got a moody mortgage, right? I’m like, I am, I am now, right?

I say like one of the first protests I was ever at. I noticed that the police, they were all from where I’m from. They’re all from like dark Romford, Basildon, Maidstone. I’m like, why am I like on the other side of this when the Old Bill, they’re from similar backgrounds to me.

Now what I’m very interested in is I want to live as a Christian, I want to raise my children as Christian. I want to be a good and loving man. I accept now that that’s not everybody’s path. But I think when we stay in the locust of opposition, that we are more malleable and more easily managed.

In the end, if going to overthrow a government, you’ve got to have the military and the police on the same side as you. If you don’t, it’s not going to be an easy gig. And I reckon deals will get made because this is real. Yeah, you’re right. This movement’s real. It’s real. But I don’t want the beneficiaries of these deals to be the same kind of people that would continue to exploit ordinary British people through commercial and corporate means, would have a surveillance state, facial recognition jabbed up, chip in your hand, all that stuff that want to gulag everybody because they basically don’t need a working class anymore because they know they’ve got AI and mass robotics coming down the pipe.

And so whilst I’m, you know, like, you know, to your point, you said earlier you want people to agree on freedom of speech. We’re bang on it. Sexualization of children, you know, ridiculous. Should be ended. And the stuff you’ve done on rape gangs, that’s seismically good. Seismically good. You’ve impacted the way, the political direction of a country. Amazing. The education stuff, you’re right.

But I, I believe in this. If there is some crazy. No, let’s not even call them crazy. If there’s some jurisdiction or region where they’re like, “we’re double, double liberal. We want to educate our kids to be gay and gender fluid or whatever it is,” I go, “all right, cool. You run your little world there.”

TOMMY ROBINSON: Do it.

RUSSELL BRAND: And we’re Muslim over here. The majority, particularly if there is some kind of border control and resurgence of patriotism and Christian values, the majority in the UK will ultimately become Christian. More people are becoming Christian. God will take care of it.

So I feel like at this grassroots ground floor level that the priority has got to be ensure that we don’t run on hate, that we don’t run on violence. Even though I do respect when people are willing to confront, to take violence and suffer violence because they believe in, you know, because your beliefs are strong enough. And that’s. I know that’s your position.

The Reality Check

TOMMY ROBINSON: Yeah. Russell, look, I think the Utah, the utopia idea of that, of all of it, it is great. It’s just not realistic. Like, what’s, what’s happening to Christians now in Nigeria. They’ve been massacred.

RUSSELL BRAND: Massacred. I’m guessing.

TOMMY ROBINSON: What’s happening to them in Afghanistan? What are their rights like in Pakistan? What’s it like for Christians in Saudi Arabia? What’s it like for them all over when they become a minority? I know it’s like now that now across the whole Islamic world, there’s 45 countries that Islam has come as a minority and ended up being a majority. Now, when it becomes a majority, are there any minority rights? There’s none.

So why. Why do we think it’s not different Islam that’s in Britain than the rest rest of the world? It’s the same in Islam. Why do we think. And my point is, Russell, I’m not willing to play a game and I’m not willing to roll a dice or, or gamble on the future of Great Britain. As we say, England has a thousand years of Christian history and in 70 years we’ve destroyed them. That and I think this country looks unrecognizable to so many now in Townsend Sea.

And that right now the figures are that 5 to 6% of the country is Islamic. What will it look like when it’s 25%? Because the demographical change is coming. I don’t. I don’t want. As I said. And, and with the massive. And I think many Muslims are annoyed with mass immigration. Yeah. The whole freshie thing. There are people that aboard it. But I’m just not willing to play a game or take a risk. I just don’t think we should. I think we should protect British people.

RUSSELL BRAND: First before anyone see them. Afghan Christians that, you know, be massacred or Afghan or. You said at the beginning Zimbabwe. Did you say, what if they wanted Nigeria? Excuse me, mate. Not saying that all the African countries are the same, by the way, because I know you’d be into that. You’re racist now. Like, what if. Like, I’m joking. What about, like, what if there was a lot of Christians. Christian migration to the UK and like, we’re getting persecuted by, you know, all that? What would you say about that?

The Reality of Modern Migration

TOMMY ROBINSON: I’d rather help Christian migration. Yeah. Because it might. It would assimilate. But how do we tell? Because all the Muslim migration that comes in now, even terrorists are pretending to be gay or pretending to be Christian so they can’t be sent back. That’s how they’re claiming the soil again. It’s. There’s no perfect situation to this. But what I wouldn’t do is play a game or gamble with the future of Britain’s daughters.

And currently Afghan migrants are 22 times more likely to be convicted of rape than British people. Why are we letting any Afghans in when we know that statistic? Why is there any more Afghans being allowed into Great Britain again? They don’t have a right to come here. And when we look at the problems, as I said, white English are now 33% of our capital. Where do we have to go? Because Afghanis can go back to their homelands. It’s Afghanistan. Their homeland is not British, period. It’s Afghanistan. Pakistanis can go back to Pakistan. Somalia is going back to Somalia.

Legitimate Refugees vs. Current System

And when we talk about refugees, none of them are legitimate refugees. And I’ll explain, Russell. When I was 11 or 12 years old, we had the Bishop family in my road in Luton. And I remember it was in the newspapers and when the Bosnian war was on, when Bosnians were being massacred and a Bosnian family. And it was a boy who come to my school, his daughter and their mum. So a mother and two children who come and they were placed in the home with the Bishop family in our road.

Now, you would be proud of our country, because I knew that boy. They were Muslim. His father was murdered. Yeah. And butchered in the war, in the conflict. They come here on an airplane brought into Luton Airport through a refugee program. So legitimate refugees brought into the UK. A mother, two children, they went to my school. They both grown up into brilliant British citizens. But that’s refugees.

This mess that we’re seeing now, the hotels full of young, angry, arrogant, hostile, violent men. 25 sexual assaults against minors from men in hotels. British women raped by men in hotels. A terrorist attack by a man in a hotel. That is a whole different ballgame. We’re talking about something very different. Do you think if those hotels are full of women and children, there’d be one protest outside? There wouldn’t be one protest outside. This is people trafficking. It’s human trafficking. And they’re being brought into our country and there’s no checks done on them.

Case Studies of System Failures

But that’s the one case. When you pick up. And I could pick up hundreds of cases like this one case, Bournemouth. So a young migrant comes. He comes to the UK, he says he’s 15, he’s put into a school in Bournemouth. You have to look this case up. He’s put into school in Bournemouth. It causes problems at school. He sexually harasses girls at school. When he gets to 19, he stabs a young Royal Marine in the heart and murders him in the town center.

At that point, he’s arrested from the murder. Guess what they find out. He’s 25, which means when he was brought into the school he was actually 21. Guess what they then find out. He shot two people dead in Serbia with an AK47. So he shot two people dead. He comes through our border, he gets put in the classroom next to one of our daughters, he sexually harasses them and then he murders a young Englishman. Now if that was a one off, it’s not. Hundreds of cases.

Do you know when the riots went on, Russell, in the UK after Stockport, they went on in Hull. What they don’t tell you is the Muslim migrant left the hotel in Hull and he stabbed an old age British pensioner to death. Of course, people outside the hotel. What they don’t tell you that is in Yarmouth, they left where people were protesting. Migrant left the hotel and raped a woman. They don’t tell you in Tamworth. Mohammed left the hotel and raped a woman.

Media and Judicial Response

So when people are protesting outside, rather than have the legitimate discussion about why people are angry, what they did is blanketed it, politicized it as far right. And that might have worked. They weaponized the judiciary, weaponized the media, weaponized the courts, imprisoned innocent people for words. For social media posts that buried it for a limited time. What you’re seeing now is it’s rising up again. It’s not going to go away and it’s not going to go away because people see.

And I understand when I meet many left wing people and I’ve got friends who have got left wing partners. The reason that they have their liberal views and they’re welcome refugees is because they’re lovely, wonderful people. But it doesn’t work like that. And what should we do? First and foremost, our job as a country is not to help Afghanistan, it’s not to help them, it’s to protect British people first. And that’s it.

My first and foremost I care about young English children being sexually harassed on their way to school in Epping. I don’t care about the Somalian in the hotel. I honestly can’t. And this mood of the nation which has totally changed.

Statistical Reality

If we could just put up a truce, the Muslims would stop raping at an uncontrollable rate. During 2003 there were 8,000 rapes. 2003, Russell, there was 8,000 rapes. 2023. There were 88,000 rapes. What’s changed? I know what’s changed. You can do the demographics from Islamic immigration into Sweden and rapes and there’s a graph that correlates. It’s the same for Britain.

And when we look at the statistics in the UK, Muslims make up, as I said, 5 or 6% of the UK population. 84 to 90% of the convictions for gang rape of children is Muslim men. So what if we had this truce? Are they going to stop raping? Are they going to stop being hostile? There’s these problems. I’m not saying all of them. I’m not saying all of them. But what I’m saying is that this utopia idea, it just doesn’t work. It’s not there.

Russell’s Response: Beyond Utopianism

RUSSELL BRAND: I’m actually not pursuing utopianism because I think that’s a sort of a terrifying idea actually. But what I believe in is Christ and Christianity. I recognize your anger and every single one of those examples and stories is appalling in its own way. And as a father of daughters, I couldn’t be more sympathetic to your protective instinct. Your desire to fight and protect is extremely admirable.

And as someone that’s been accused of rape, I’m like, my God. It’s so extraordinary that these stories involve the rape of women and the abuse of children and that the media and judiciary appear in ways that don’t quite make sense, appear to be masking and controlling this information and the understandable outrage around it.

What I want to get to and understand is if the correct. Because the fact is, Tommy, at one point you said they weaponize the media and the judiciary. You’re right, they do. Now that they, you know, the government, the media, these sets of establishment powers that are beyond the reach of democracy are in this instance using the issue of migration to create further hostility.

And I understand why your focus is on the particular Somalians or particular Muslims that are doing those particular crimes. Why wouldn’t they be? Totally makes sense. But what interests, and I’m not saying by the way, you should turn. You should focus on the things I’m focused on. You know, you should focus on what you’re focused on. I shall focus on why I’m focused on them. But maybe we can benefit one another because I think there are a lot of things where we agree with one another.

Control Through Compassion

What I very focused on is what potential solution there can be now. Because one thing I will tell you is like, you’re right, a lot of them lovely left wing folks or left wing partners or whatever, if they’re motivated by compassion, that’s fantastic. But one of the things that became very, very clear during the COVID pandemic was people use the idea that they’re caring for us or others or a vulnerable minority in order to legitimize further control and authority.

It’s one of the real ideas I had during COVID I thought, “Hang on a minute, what do you mean? Life is sacred. And life is so sacred that if everyone has to get locked in their house and everyone has to take this injection and everyone has to wear this mask and stand six feet apart and do as we’re told and they’re shutting down, all these businesses and all these small businesses are suffering, but great big corporations somehow don’t get shut down. If life is so sacred, why are we living the way we are? Why are we tolerating homeless veterans on our street, homeless mentally ill people on our streets? Injustice in the prison system, exploitation, deception through media, bad food. Why are we tolerating all that?”

What became very clear to me in the COVID era, Tommy, is that the idea of care and concern is used to legitimize control and authority. And I’ll bet the same thing’s happening through this migration issue. “Oh, we got to help people.” And I think that that’s a ruse and it’s a blag and it has to be confronted.

Historical Context and Elite Responsibility

But near the beginning of your last answer, you talked about Pakistan and I thought, well, look, we’re British and like, you can’t even say the word Pakistan without acknowledging that Britain was in that territory. Messing shit up, carved it up bad, caused a load of strife. Same in the Middle East. I’m not saying that that price needs to be paid by some mum in Birmingham right now or someone in Luton or Epping or whatever, but I am saying that there is a kind of a debt somewhere. There’s a debt somewhere. Britain caused a bunch of aggro.

And it weren’t normal British people, it was British elites. And them same British elites, they ain’t gone away, they’re doing their thing right now. And they benefit from me and you not being able to get to a point where we go, “Well, you’re from Luton, I’m from Grays.” All I’m really saying is, can we look at the edges of this thing?

Finding Common Ground

Because I want to be able to walk through East London or any Muslim community. I want to turn up at mosques and say, “Look, this is the position of Tommy Robinson and his constituency.” You know, no doubt he has a constituency. He ain’t a politician, but he’s a leader. And his position is this, that if you’re Muslim and you’re living in Britain, then the rules of Britain have to supersede the rules of Islam. And that seems pretty cool. If you’re living in Saudi Arabia, then the rules of Islam supersede the rules of Christ. Cool. We got a deal? Deal.

You know, because I actually think it’s possible to change the world as you do, because you wouldn’t live like you do if you didn’t believe it. And the only thing I want to, and I’ve wanted to say it from the first time I see you, is like, if we got to make sure that I understand the anger, you know, believe me, I understand the anger. I understand the hatred. I understand the rage. I feel it. I feel it. And I’m glad that there’s people that feel it with me and there’s people that can direct it.

The Necessity of Love in the Fight

But if we don’t ensure that love and compassion are in the mix, I’m not saying we have to sort of sit around Kumbaya and putting flowers in one another’s hair. There’s a. We’re in a fight. We’re in a spiritual war. There’s no question about it. It’s going to cost lives. People are going to die. We have to ensure that love’s at the forefront. That’s the only thing I’m advocating for while I’ve got you one on one. Because I want, like Owen Jones or people of the left to watch this and go. And go, you know.

Because I know what they’re already. You know what? They’re right. “Russell Brand platformed Tommy Robinson.” Maybe they’ll say, “Tommy Robinson platforms.” 2003 when you’re doing them rape stats. I nearly went, “Well, 2003.” I’ve done all of them. The 2003 ones was me. What happened around then? I got married.

Personal Questions and Shared Experience

TOMMY ROBINSON: Well, that’s what I think. In fact, what I’d like to. Can I ask you a couple of questions? Because I know what it’s like. Well, in fact, in your face, far worse than me. But I know how it is facing people judging you, people smearing you. So with what’s happened with you recently, with the allegations, why do you. Because I watched it. I think I knew they were coming.

I think that when I watched you talking, you become one of the most vocal people on Big Pharma. And as I was watching it, I thought he’s, as I was watching, if I’m honest. As I was watching your talk, I thought you’re. Because I know the influence and the power and you’re very open about your womanizing. But nothing ever happened about it and there was no questions about it until all of a sudden at the moment that you are discussing big Pharma and talking about the influence of big Pharma and the abuse of big Pharma and the slavery, we face to big Pharma.

So can I ask, what’s that been like for you? How old are your kids?

Personal Struggles and Spiritual Awakening

RUSSELL BRAND: I’ve got a two year old son, I’ve got a seven year old daughter and an eight year old daughter. So it’s been insane and it’s been frightening. But I’ll tell you what’s been like, look, there’s been good things about it because it’s brought me to the Lord. That along with my boy being born with a tetralogy of fallot, which is a rare heart condition. He’s doing really well. He’s doing well, my boy now.

But what it also has been weird about it is I don’t, I now know it’s wrong to womanize the way I womanized. But it isn’t criminal, it’s wrong, it’s sinful to not think about the impacts of your actions on other people. Or if you’re famous and women are willing to have it off with you in a toilet, you shouldn’t do that. That’s wrong. That’s wrong to do that. That’s not a crime, but it is a sin.

But what’s been mental is to watch their ability to tweak it, to tweak it. All they had to do is upgrade it from “this geezer is a womanizer.” And that is selfish and it’s sinful and it’s not the right way to live. They’ve tweaked it to coercion, force, all that kind of stuff. So that was, it’s been educational.

Legal Challenges and Media Manipulation

But also the cases themselves are obviously, you know how careful people have to be in legal situations. But the cases themselves are not good because this just in, I’ve never raped anybody. Because if you live in an orchard, you don’t need to steal apples. And when I was famous, I had high access to sex, high access to it. It was sort of unbelievable because by the way, mate, I wasn’t growing up hardest kid in my school, captain of the football team. I was a little fat boy who was nervous about myself.

So when I got famous and suddenly, bam. Access, it was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. And I lived in a way that was wrong and I do renounce it now. But I also will say that the culture kind of celebrates womanizing and tells you that’s what you’re meant to be doing. And most lads I knew, you know, you’re meant to be putting it about, that’s what you meant to do. That’s what your men are do.

So, yeah, it’s been scary, it’s been interesting, it’s been educational. And it’s showing. Shows you that when you’re in the mix. I didn’t realize this, Tommy. The culture is very powerful and it just uses people. If you’re. If what you represent is useful to the culture, the culture will just use you.

Political Awakening and Media Attacks

But the first time I started getting heat, mate, was when I goes, “there’s no point voting whoever you vote for, you’re going to end up with the same political class and the same interests being represented.” When I said that it wasn’t the right that attack, it was the left, it was the Guardian, the BBC, they went for me hard, man. And I was like, bloody hell. They were patronizing, like. And they were more or less saying, “who does this geezer from a normal school in Grays, Essex think he is saying this?”

What I said is, people I grew up with, no one votes because we all recognize it’s bollocks. No one’s ever voted. No one thinks about it as being relevant because no one. Right. And like that, when that happened, yeah, that’s when I. That’s when I started to realize this is some. This is weird.

But even before the sex stuff within the Times and the Channel 4 before it, about a month before it, there’s a piece in the Atlantic saying “he’s a conspiracy theorist, right wing.” There was a piece in Rolling Stone, “conspiracy theorist, right wing” thing in the Times. “Conspiracy theories” like that, you could say when they’re all saying the same thing, you know it isn’t true. You know it isn’t true.

Now, I bet if me and you got to know each other more, there’d be things that we wouldn’t agree on, things we might not like about one another, but like, you know, and things that even in this conversation we disagree on plainly, but we agree that there is something going on that needs to be confronted. That needs to be confronted. And I’m just thinking about in a way, the angle of attack. But to answer your question, it’s been difficult, but it’s been informative. And I have to acknowledge that there was wrongdoing. The way I treated women was not right.

TOMMY ROBINSON: You should.

RUSSELL BRAND: We’re here to protect and love women. And the only safe place for sex for me is in a marriage. That’s it. That’s not how I lived. And now I’m paying the price and that’s fine, I’m happy to pay the price. I believe in God, I’m cool, but I’ve never raped no one and I’ve never abused anyone.

TOMMY ROBINSON: How have you dealt with the pressures of that? Just honestly. How have you dealt with the pressures?

Spiritual Solutions and Personal Recovery

RUSSELL BRAND: Firstly the Lord, man. The Lord is like nothing happened 22, 22 and a half years. So yeah, so I’ve got a program clean when this hit now there’s no thought of drink or drugs. You know, you think, you think. Nah, suicide.

TOMMY ROBINSON: Yeah.

RUSSELL BRAND: But not drinking drugs because like drinking drugs is a spiritual. As you know, I think is a spiritual problem. People are looking for connection or every drug addict I’ve ever known, they’re looking, looking for something. They’re looking for God, they’re looking to be filled up. They’re looking for connection. Now I had that, I’ve had that blessedly I’ve been granted that for a long time. I got off smack and crack when I was like 27 years old. I was shown how to put. You have to surrender God.

But I did become, you know, basically I was, I was by then, soon after that I got famous and I had a lot of access to sex and a lot of my sexual conduct had the appetite of addiction in it. That didn’t mean non consensual because blessedly I was in a position where it was consensual. But you know, man. Anyway, so with addiction, with addiction, with addiction to drugs, if you don’t find a spiritual solution, the addiction will just keep permutating, you know, and where I am since coming to Christ, since coming our Lord, since like the thing that cause simultaneous to all that stuff.

Family Crisis During Media Storm

Tommy, what people don’t know and they won’t report on because no one wants report nothing that sympathetic is. My boy was in Great Ormond Street. My kid was born with a heart defect and had to have like a heart operation. Meanwhile I’m being same exact time. So I’m in the newspapers. I had to go in there. It’s the only time I wore a mask is I didn’t wear a mask whole way through Covid. I wore one then to get in and out of Great Ormond street safe to, you know, for my boy to have his operation and everything because I happened at the same time.

Well, I know what’s important and I know what’s not important. Like you, I know that you must be frightened when you’re going to. You’re going to jail for sub judiciary or for whatever moody mortgage or passport stunt you’ve pulled off this week or whoever you’ve put on their back at center parks or on the underground. But you believe in something more than that, don’t you? And like you, I think what you believe in is Britain and righteousness.

Finding Common Ground and Moving Forward

And the only thing, thing that I’m questioning in you is the anger getting to the forefront of it and that like I can see you get riled when you talk about the individual cases and it seems to be your question in either a kind of naivety but like there isn’t no perfect solution outside of heaven and outside of Christ’s kingdom. What we have to ensure we do is present to people something that’s palatable and realistic enough for people to come together around it. So it just. This doesn’t end up benefiting some other institutional set of interests that are part of a political and financial establishment that will maneuver the British people once more.

That’s all I want to ensure and I believe in freedom of the British people. If they vote, “we don’t want migration.” That’s the end of the fucking subject. If they vote “we want this amount,” then that’s the. You know, I don’t think I know any more than anybody else about that subject. I just want to tackle what I believe are corrupt and evil forces that have taken control of British government and global policy. Politics actually.

The Personal Cost of Public Scrutiny

TOMMY ROBINSON: Yeah. You know, to do the things I’ve done or the positions I’ve been in, you couldn’t do that. I hate… yeah, you couldn’t. So I’ve done that out of love. And that’s love for Britain, that’s love for my kids. I love my kids almost best. You couldn’t do it. You couldn’t put… I couldn’t put myself in that position out of a hatred of something. The powers don’t equal. Yeah.

So I don’t… when I make… I may seem like I get angry, I do. Or I get passionate, but none of it’s done out of hate. And I said I don’t hate Muslims, I love Muslims. But I’m not going to stand out. I’m not going to stand by and watch something so wrong that’s happening.

My thing… my thing… because I… the reason why I’m asking these questions, Russell, is because I know the position I’ve been in. Yeah. And I know some of the things I face and I know faces. It took me… so when I watch something happening, someone… when I’ve seen the headlines against you, my thought always goes, “I wonder what it’s like for his family,” because I know what it’s been like for my ex-wife. And I wonder what his mum’s going through. I wonder what… so that… this is my… this… so… and whenever I see it, that’s what I think.

And I said it to Andrew Tate because I know Andrew Tate’s… puts Andrew Tate… I look at me, I think, “You can’t be all right.” I said, “You can’t be fine, bro.” So… so that’s why when I see this, that’s why… that’s the reason I’m asking you a question, not put you on the spot. What I’m just… because I think that people need to understand.

The Phantom Rape Gang Investigation

And I… Joe, when I saw this as well… I don’t know… I don’t know… the documentary called “Plantation Two.” No, not “Plantation Two” and “The Phantom Rape Gang.” And I went to investigate Pakistani rapists in Barrow and the girl was lying. Yeah. When I got there, I started investigating this girl. She made claims about Muslims and the businesses, their business have been smashed up, their families have been attacked. And when I found one lie, I found another lie and I found a third lie.

My… it’s a great documentary. Watch it. You can watch my films at trfilms.co.uk. It’s called… it’s called “The Phantom Rape Gang” because there wasn’t a rape gang. Yeah.

So I went away by this Muslim lad’s house and I waited by the back and he’s got an ice cream van and his wife saw me. She said, “What the hell are you doing here?” Yeah. And I said, “Look, I just want to speak to Mo. I want to ask him questions that I think need to be answered because there were some red flags.”

So she rang him and he’s come back and then… and then he arranged to meet me in his house. And as I’ve walked in his house, I get called a racist, he gets called a pedophile. Yeah. Two people shout out different areas. Yeah. And I walk in and as I walked in, I looked him, I said, “I think I won that one.”

As I sat down with him, his 16-year-old son, his 14-year-old son and his wife was sat there. Now, bearing in mind I already know this girl’s a liar. I know she’s lied about a rape at school. I know she’s made allegations against another boy of fabricated evidence. He’s been remanded for six months. So I know this. Yeah. Which means… and I… this gentleman, Mo, I spoke to lots of young girls that worked at his previous business. I’ve done my homework. I spent loads of times up there.

So I had big questions and I knew that he was being tried by public opinion, as you’ve been and I’ve been. He’s been trying to put opinion. So as I sat in there, I looked at his son… son. His son’s the same age as my son. And I thought, “My son’s had a difficult time.” And my daughters have had a difficult time at school because their dad’s been judged as a racist.

When Black Lives Matter went on, my eldest daughter had hell. Yeah, had hell. Right. So… and then all the same kids are gather hell that isolated her and had had little pops her. Well then around my house two years later. And now when I see them, they’ll shake my hand and hug me. Jeremy. But so I know what he went through.

So as I looked at his young son… son, I thought man and his son had to leave college because there’s not many Muslims in Barrow. But… and I actually work to tell… to tell the story of these families and clear their name. Yeah. And Mo… Mo Rami, his name was he in an… when when an MP come out and said, “I went up there to stir.” Hey. He come out and made a statement saying, “The only person to come up here to help me was Tommy Robinson.” Yeah.

But why I’m asking you this is because I saw the damage to Mo and I saw his and I just found… and it was… it was a real light bulb moment for me as I was investigating this thing. I thought, “This can’t happen.” But that’s why I want to ask you the question, even on your mum, because I know my mum. Yeah. When these allegations are going on, you say you’re wearing a mask. If you were back in the UK now because of these allegations, how comfortable do you feel walking down the street?

Media Control and Public Perception

RUSSELL BRAND: You know what it’s like because it… in some places, it just don’t stick. What I think is people that didn’t like me anyway have now got an upgrade. Instead of saying, “I don’t like him, he’s a prick,” they can now say “he’s a rapist.” So they got an upgrade on it.

But what’s amazing is they don’t have… this is in fact the point, Tommy, is they don’t have the control that they once had. And I think in a way it’s a kind of inadvertent consequence of the changes that have happened around technology and media in the last five years in particular is there used to be a point where centralized media institutions could say, “Okay, Britain, we’re all going to be doing this now.” And then everyone just did it and now they can’t.

Now it’s like they say that pipeline got blown up, “Putin blew up his own pipeline” and then minutes later, “No, no, no, there’s no way. That was Navy SEALs and Ukrainian Special forces.” And like everyone now knows it. Same with you.

There will be like… what like I’m interested in is there’ll be people, I reckon, that support you, that been into the stuff I’ve done, particularly around Covid or whatever. And then there’s enough people probably that maybe think like me and you is, “Well, if the same establishment that hates you, hates me, hates Tate, we’ve all got something that we need to do.”

Even if Andrew Tate’s a Muslim and I’m very… you probably think a bit like, I don’t know, too compassionate or too naive. Whatever you think about me, when it comes to potential harmony between even the most opposing ideals, like people will say about you, you know, the racist stuff that you, you know, that we’ve already addressed, like, you know.

But the fact is, is I know because I now know enough because I’ve been through it now, mate. I’ve been through it as a celebrity. I’ve been through it with the around the new era state, the no vote in the Andrew Sachs. I now know if the establishment is on you, that person’s probably all right. Other than… other than Jimmy Saville, I reckon you can probably rely. Have a medal, have a medal come round, have a knighthood.

TOMMY ROBINSON: Yeah.

RUSSELL BRAND: Launch your way through Stoke Mandeville Hospital, have a corpse, have a 13-year-old, have a Down syndrome kid.

TOMMY ROBINSON: Yeah. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

RUSSELL BRAND: So like, so, yeah, on that. There’s a few things I want to follow up on that. So I know, yeah, I know what it’s like. It’s difficult, bloody difficult for my, of course difficult for my mum. But, you know, most people don’t believe it no more. And even when you said tried by public opinion, it’s not… it’s media, of course there’s people that don’t like me and of course me and my promiscuity that was not cool behavior in terms of damage done. It’s not cool way to live. But it’s different from rape. It’s different from rape and sexual abuse mean do things that people don’t want you to do. Doesn’t mean persuade people by being double charming and rich and famous and stuff. That’s a different gig, man.

The Panorama Investigation

TOMMY ROBINSON: They’re trying to do it to me. Panorama. If I didn’t do Panadrama, if you saw it, if I didn’t do Panadrome, the whole country would have been told I was Harvey Weinstein. That’s… that’s what they were going to portray me. And there was no truth for this. Whenever I see the allegations, I look and think, “Well, what he started talking about vaccines, started talking about COVID Start talking about Big Pharma bang. See you later. You… see you later.” Okay. Well, yeah, a few things.

RUSSELL BRAND: What about, what about Tate then? What do you think about… like… like he’s someone that I’ll talk to. I’m not sure if you’ve publicly talked to Andrew Tate or not, but he’s another person that draws a lot of heat. He’s another person that’s divisive.

Luton Connection

TOMMY ROBINSON: Go on. I know Andrew Tate before he was Andrew Tate. Yeah. Before he was Top G. I’m from Luton and Andrew Tate’s from loot. So I know, yeah. We’re both Luton boys. What’s in the water in Luton?

RUSSELL BRAND: Testosterone.

The Media’s Power to Destroy Lives

TOMMY ROBINSON: But Tate always. Yeah. What I always say to people about Tate, because my supporters despise Tate. Yeah. And they actually, I get a bit of a hard time not, I’d say defending him. I know Andrew Tate, so I know a lot of the things he said were for controversy. I know that he built a character in an image for profit. And I know that he’s a nice man. I know that. Yeah.

So I know that growing up in Luton, there’s no one that spoke badly of him. I know. And you know, actually Amir, a Muslim, Bosnian Muslim Special Forces is who created Andrew Tate and the man he is. And I know that Amir is one of the most well respected men in. So I know everything about Andrew’s upbringing.

I used to watch Andrew say things on TV, on camera. I think, “Oh, that’s not true.” Yeah. But now he’s getting punished for some of those little things where he was building an image of himself to create an image and a persona to profit, to get people to pay him. So I just look and think. So I don’t like the fact he converted to Islam. I’ve had strong discussions with him about it.

Witnessing False Allegations

But also, let me, I went to Romania with Andrew Tate in 2017 and we went with another journalist called Lauren Southern. Yeah. And when we went there and there was another gentleman who went, who worked for me. Now, in my documentary Panodrama, if you watched it, you’ll see that Hope Not Hate were blackmailing a journalist who worked for me.

Well, that journalist made a statement, a public thing. And the girl, now, only now she’s wrote a book and in the book she’s wrote an allegation that Andrew Tate raped her when we were there. Now as I’m reading this, I was in the hotel room next door. So as I come out in the morning, she kisses him on the door. He walks her down with me. So I see her passionately kissing him. He walks her down with me to the car. She gets in the car, she’s messaged him the whole time. She goes back out to see him.

But now, all these years later, she says he strangled her and raped her. Yeah. Now, so I know that’s not true because I was there and it doesn’t benefit me to put my neck on the line to have that conversation and discussion because my supporters hate Tate. Yeah, because. And I actually don’t, because of the Islam thing.

Tate made some comments. Again, I don’t think he meant them. Yeah, he made comments about Islam. “Britain needs to turn Islamic.” I don’t think he believes that at all. And it was at a time when I think he was rebelling and saying things. I think he got deplatformed and there was a lot going on. Yes, I know Tate doesn’t believe that, so I don’t. But people hate him for the things he said. Some of my supporters. So when I see things that are wrong, I question that.

And my mate, you know, Rory Sinic. Rory’s always with Tate. So Rory’s my mate, grew up with him. Rory lived with Tate for two years. So when all the arrests happened, I rang Rory. So “What the hell is going on, bro? What’s this about?” He goes, “Yeah, it’s all…” And he said, “I lived there.” He goes, “That bird…” So he’s just telling me straight.

And I don’t know, I can’t stand here and say a hundred percent. There’s not one single part of any allegation. I can’t say that. But what I can say is I’ve seen the lies. And you know, when this girl tells the lies. Do you know who pushed the lies? Hope Not Hate. Do you know the organization, the NGO funded by government with all the Marxists funded? Do you know the organization who said it was their mission to end Andrew Tate?

How do you end someone? How do you end Russell Brand? How do you stop anyone listening to Russell Brand talking about Big Pharma and the corruption and the lies and the blatant criminality that they did during vaccines and COVID? It was the same way they were about to.

The Panodrama Exposé

And if I hadn’t seen this myself with Panodrama, if I hadn’t seen John Sweeney from the BBC… I had a phone call earlier from a Telegraph journalist. First time this journalist rang me in years when I done Panodrama. Yeah.

When I was first exposed as the leader of the English Defence League, a journalist called Stephen Bird come to my mum’s house and I was wearing a fake mask and using a fake name. I was myself, yeah, the journalist turns up, my mum says, “Journalist’s here looking for you. English Defence League.” I’m like, “Ah, they know who I am.” Yeah, there’s no one knew. No. I got away with it for nine months. No one knew who I was. I was wearing a balaclava, giving interviews. No one knew. That was Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. Yeah.

But then the Times newspaper, so I went and met this journalist in a pub in Luton and he said, “Your life changes tomorrow, Steve.” Yeah. I said, “Why?” He said, “You’re front page of the Times newspaper, we’re unmasking you.” And then I was like, “Oh, man.” Because if you follow my address and check my name, it brings you to my mother’s house. So I had all these fears and worries about attacks against my family. I myself, yeah.

But I kept in contact with the journalist because when he wrote his article, I thought he was pretty fair. Yeah. So I kept in contact with him over the years when there was terrorist attacks, I had all the information that they all wanted in Luton because I’d been working against the mosque for years. I knew the Muslims, so I kept lots of relationships with him.

Then, then Panodrama tried to set me up. I get covert recordings of John Sweeney, the lead BBC investigative journalist for Panorama. I get covert recordings of him making sexual allegations against me, lying, telling people what to say. I get all these things, yeah, go watch the documentary. If anyone hasn’t watched it, best documentary I’ve ever done.

I get all this evidence. Panorama then contact me to interview me. They were doing a documentary on me, obviously. When they’re doing documentary on me, I sent a girl undercover into them and I got her to wear a wire. And I get them all talking, making things up, telling people what to say.

Setting the Trap

So they contact me for an interview. I’ll say, “Well, yeah, you have to do it tomorrow in my location. I’ll meet you at 2 o’clock at this venue.” And I set a fake, I set a screen up on the wall and I sit down to be interviewed by Panorama. And I’ve done, you’ve done documentaries before, Russell? Yeah. The project you have, you have the cameraman and the editor, you don’t have all the producers.

But when they come for me, because this was a takedown, they were going to end me. When they come to sit there, there’s about eight of them and there was a producer sat there. So when they asked me the first question, I said, “Can I ask you a question, John? Would you ever tell anyone what to say in an interview? Is that journalism, if you sat down and said, ‘Say this, say this, say this,’ would you do that John?” And he said, “No.” And I said, “Play the film.”

And then behind me on the wall, I just stared at him. Behind me on the wall was a covert recording of him saying, “Say this about Tommy. Say this about Tommy.” And his actual words were, “Do we have a deal?” Yeah. So I’ve got this footage now and I’ve gone. And at this time, the producers are putting their hands in their heads. Right. Ended him. Yeah.

The Controlled Press Revealed

But then I ring Stephen Bird and I say, “Right, mate, I need to see you. I’ve got gold.” Yeah. So I go and meet him, I sit down with him, he listens to all the recordings. I play everything. I’ve got him on button cam. He’s like, “Oh, my God, this is huge, Tommy.” I said, “I know, mate, this is massive.” Yeah. He says, “Right, I’ll go see my editors.”

He meets me the next day, “I’m not allowed to run it.” I said, “You’re not allowed to run it? What the hell do you mean? What do you mean you’re not allowed?” Excuse my swearing because I know you’ve got an American audience. I said, “You’re not allowed to run it? That’s not a free press, that’s a controlled press.”

Now, when I put that documentary out, it went to 2 million views in 48 hours. Yeah. And at the time, I got then deleted from Facebook. Deleted from YouTube in the same week. Yeah. I got re-prosecuted by the Attorney General in the same week.

When you watch this film, everyone should watch it when called Panodrama. TRFilms.co.uk when you watch this documentary. And I asked this journalist earlier if he’d watched it. When he rang me up for an interview, I said, “Have you seen my film Panodrama?” He said, “Yeah, I have.” So I told him the story. I’m telling you now. I told him the story. I said, “So you know Stephen Bird?” I said, “Yeah, he’s my colleague.” I said, “So you work with him?” I said, “You’ve watched Panodrama?” He said, “Yeah.” I said it showed lots of evidence of corruption and unfair, abusive playing by the journalists. And he said, “Yeah.” I said, “You know how many journalists in Britain reported on that documentary at 2 million views before they cancelled me off everywhere? Not one. Not one journalist in the whole of the UK reported on the biggest exposé of the BBC there’s ever been. Not one. Not one journalist.”

The Pattern of Silencing

You done a video recently on the film that I produced that got me 18 months in jail. Do you know how many journalists in the UK reported on what I exposed and showed in that? Not one. There is no free press. There’s the controlled establishment media. And what you’re right about is when they want to put a target on someone, they are their power. The monopoly’s gone. Yeah, because people walk down the street and shake my hand.

But it hasn’t entirely gone because some people still want to attack you as a rapist. And just like the gentleman at St. Pancras station wanted to attack me, I don’t blame him for wanting to attack me, because he probably thinks I’m Satan. He probably believes I’m a white supremacist. He probably believes I want to deport every migrant or every Muslim, which I don’t. Yeah. So the point is there isn’t a free press. I have proved it time and time again with documentaries.

I’m just incredibly grateful. I’m incredibly grateful to the American population who voted for Donald Trump, because without Donald Trump and without Elon Musk, I don’t think the public’s ability to see some of the truths of who I am ever would have come. I was the most hated man in Britain.

Katie Hopkins and the Same Pattern

Katie Hopkins. I don’t know your view on Katie Hopkins yet, but Katie Hopkins done the same as Andrew Tate. I think she knew. She knew at the time controversy was currency when she come on the scene, but she was hated, you know, hated. She was the most hated woman in Britain. She lost her home. They took her home. I don’t know if you know what they’ve done to her.

When you hear me, I moan all the time about my story. Yeah, I always smoke and I’m always “poor me, poor me.” You never hear Katie tell her story. When I heard her story and sat down in a podcast interview, I was like, “Oh my God.” Exactly the same as what happened to you. Conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories, conspiracy. On the same day, the emails come from the church, the rabbi, all of the united groups all come together. She lost her job at the Daily Mail. She lost her. It’s the same as ever.

To imagine the worst I’ve seen, it’s happened to so many people. Imagine the rapper. They ended him. They ended him. Yeah, he’s lucky because he got a 4 million pound payout, so it hasn’t ended him. But if he didn’t get that payout, he would be totally ended. Cancelled, deplatformed, no job. Yeah. Why? Because he spoke against the vaccines. When he was talking about the vaccines on LBC, I was watching it thinking, “You’re ending, bro.” And because I know, same with you when you was talking about, I was watching thinking, “You’re in trouble, bro, you can’t come out” because you obviously have a platform and you have a large following who will listen to you.

The Bigger Picture

On COVID, on vaccines and you spoke about Big Pharma, we spoke about how they all cooperate. I have absolutely no doubt, Russell, that the migrant invasion, we are being played. I have no doubt that it benefits them. I have no doubt that mass immigration brings down wages, but that they wish to bring in a reliant people who are reliant on the state because the mass corporations benefit.

I have no doubt that they’re using them and their culture to break down ours and the nation state because then we’re more controllable. If we don’t understand who we are or have our identity in culture, if there is no British Christian culture etc, and it’s broke down, we’re lost, we’re lost. We don’t know who we are. So I have no doubt about that.

So I, I at times I’ve helped, you know, Black Lives Matter kicked off, I’ll come out strongly against them, man. And then I sat there thinking, “They’ve done this to divide us. I’ll play.” And I thought, “Well, I’ve just played my role” and I, because I’ve stepped straight in and caused the biggest division. Yeah, but I have no doubt about that in many of the things I, I totally understand that we’re all being played but at the same time I think we have to stand up against the things we see. So it’s a difficult situation. It’s a difficult. There’s no easy solution to it.

The Reach and Influence of Alternative Media

RUSSELL BRAND: The thing was, look, we’re reaching people that you wouldn’t realize that you’re reaching – quite high profile people. I remember hearing quite early on that footballers watched my content because they already hate the media because they’ve all had scandals and exposés and all that. So you start to hear that people like they’re losing their reach, they’re losing their control.

I’m very encouraged, Tommy, when I hear you say that the migration crisis is likely being used to benefit the state and media interest because it causes division. A leftist like George Galloway would say it decreases the native worker’s ability to negotiate a good wage. Then people on the right would say it’s replacement theory. Me, I would say it’s – I agree with you – it’s about creating cultural confusion.

Beyond Left and Right: A New Paradigm

Even ages ago when I was still much more identified with the left, and now I don’t think left and right works anymore as a paradigm. I think you have to get into God versus not God or something like that. Either you’re on the holy path or they’ve got you. If they can make you an individual and care mostly about your individuality – and Lord alone knows that’s what I’ve cared about most of my life – then they can manage you, corral you and paddock you off, kettle you, as it were, to use a word that we’re probably on the edge of thinking about when talking about protests and stuff.

The Changing Meaning of Patriotism

When it would have been easy to condemn you, because I was much more in group – I was still in the establishment, or at least I was an anti-establishment bad boy within the establishment. “Oh, look at him, he’s sleeping with loads of women. Oh no, he says a naughty word,” but you’re just a sanctioned object within the culture.

I used to say then when they were critical of people hanging flags up or whatever, I was like, “Hold on a minute. In the 1940s, you required that class of people to go out and die for that flag. And now, because they’ve got that flag up in their house in Hartlepool or Luton or Basildon or wherever, you want to call them racist? You can’t keep changing the meaning of these flags.” You can’t. And that disorientation, I think, is very important.

The Obsolete Working Class

The macro argument, Tommy, I think, is this: that they don’t need a working class anymore, and they’re looking for ways to demonize and annihilate the working class. They don’t need one. Once they needed us to work in fields, then they needed us to work in factories, then they needed us to work in call centers. Then they needed us to buy products made in India. Now they don’t need us at all. So now it’s like, “Screw them.”

Unity Beyond Division

What I feel like is important is to have the sort of intellectual, rhetorical and dialectic dexterity to be able to go, “We’re not falling down the Black Lives Matter trap. We’re not falling down the trap of Muslims versus whites versus Sikhs.” This is – if Britain has a Muslim population, it’s got a Muslim population. They’re going to be able to practice their faith however they want to. If there’s people that are LGBTQ plus, they should be able to practice their faith, same as Christians, same as Conservatives.

There’s no requirement for centralized authority in the way there was, let alone authority outside of the country. That’s destroying the agricultural industry, that’s pumping people full of drugs, all the crazy deals that were done with Moderna and Pfizer, even beyond Covid. Rishi Sunak owning shares in the company that funded Moderna before becoming Chancellor, let alone Prime Minister, then doing all them deals that benefit after.

Free Speech for All

I think if you hit them there – because at the same time, all this flag protest is happening across the UK, which I’m excited by, to tell you the truth. There’s also them ones where they can’t say the word Palestine. People should be able – if people want to protest for the rights of Palestinians, they should be able to do that as well. If free speech is free speech, it’s particularly the free speech that we disagree with.

Addressing Controlled Opposition Claims

One of the things I’ve read about you and I wanted to ask you about before we wrap up – I’m not in a rush – was you hear “controlled opposition” stuff like that. I have people say about me, you probably know people say about you. When they say about you, they say it’s to do with Israel and stuff. What is that about?

TOMMY ROBINSON: Yeah, totally. So I’ll tell you what it’s about. So I went to Israel growing up in Luton. The Luton Islamic center used to be the – used to be the – what’s the Jewish temple called?

RUSSELL BRAND: Synagogue.

The Jewish Question and My Journey to Understanding

TOMMY ROBINSON: Used to be the synagogue, yeah. So the Louis Islamic center, which is the most radical mosque used with the terrorist mosque. That used to be the synagogue. I grew up Muslims, I remember. I’ll tell you a story.

Near Luton, there’s a place in Lily which is a Jewish covenant. You know, like all the Orthodox Jews out in the woods and they’ve got a big covenant and they all live out in the woods. Well, as kids we used to go fire stuff at it, smash stuff at it. Not fired, not fire, fire. But my mate, as kids, my mate had a flare gun. And my Muslim mate Sully was like, “My mum would be so proud of me.” So I had lots of moments where I went, what the. My mom would kill me. Yeah. We were down there flying stones, trying to get chases. Yeah.

But he was. I said, “Why would a mum be proud of you?” He goes, “Because they’re Jews. Because they’re Jews.” I didn’t know what Jews were. We didn’t have any Jews at our school. There’s no Jews in Luton. So I didn’t know what Jews were. But I couldn’t heard hatred from the Muslims who I grew up with at school. Everything was the Jews. Yeah.

And then I saw his Jewish member. There was a Jewish families that could come in. There was an event at Luton town hall and there was a remembrance for the Holocaust. And all the Masruddin, which was Almajradin, the extremist organization, all turned up. And I can still see a family had to lock themselves inside and little girls were crying. So I’d seen so many things.

And then I saw a march for Palestine coming out of Luton. And these are all the things I’m saying before starting things with. And there’s a march for Palestine and there’s thousands of Muslims coming out and they’re chanting. I’m thinking, what are they trying to make? What are they talking about? There and they said, “Well, Kaiba was a Jewish troid.” Yeah. In the time of Muhammad and Muhammad they surrendered. Muhammad beheaded 600 of them. So he killed them all. And the leader of the tribe was called Kanana.

Studying Islamic Scripture

And this is in. And when I started studying Islam and I picked up the biography of Muhammad by Ibnishta. It’s the most renowned biography in the world of the prophet Muhammad. I picked it up and when I read it, he a Jewish tribe surrender and then they pulled their pants down. Anyone who styled puberty, they kill. Yeah. In the head. But then he took the leader, Kanano. He tortured him. He burns his chest. This is in the Islamic scripture. He sets fire to him and takes his gold. Yeah, It’s a pirate. The man’s a pirate. Yeah, he’s a warlord and a pirate.

But he takes his gold. After taking his gold, he then takes his wife that night, Sophia, and he takes her as his wife. Yeah. So much. She wasn’t a willing participant in this. Surely not. Yeah. But so as all this going on, I’m seeing him chanting kyoba. So I understood the hatred of the Jews.

And then as I looked at the Quran. Now The Quran is 7%. No Mein Kampf, Hitler’s book is 7% Jew hatred. The Quran is 11%. So there’s a big problem here. Yeah. Muhammad didn’t like the Jews. Forget his rapid. Mohammed didn’t like the Jews. It was all in the scripture. It’s in Muhammad’s life.

My Journey to Israel

So when Israel happened, then I went to Israel. I don’t know if you’ve been there, Russell, you’ve been there. So I went there yet. So I went to Israel and I know this my life. I’ll send you the footage. You can see the footage you’ll find online. When I went there, I went to a fatar controlled. I looked up when you get there, there’s all these signs saying don’t go past here. When I got there, I thought that’s where I want to go.

And I went with mate Dean from school, but Jamaican kid. I grew up, up. Yeah. So I went with Dean, but we filmed it all. And when I went, I said, “Dean, we’re going.” I met these young Muslims. I paid them. Yeah, they’re in Israel. I said, “Lads, I want to pay you. Get me in that camp. I want to spend the day in the camp.” Yeah.

And then I said to my mate Dean, “We’re going this camp.” And he’s like, “Are you mad? You’re the leave fencing. You can’t go to a terrace Camp.” Yeah, I said, I said. I said “We can.” Yeah. But I said, “Dean, I know, sounds mad, but if we go there, it’ll be great.” Yeah. So. And we’re in the car on the way there and I’m looking at him and we had a big fallout, but he agreed to come. And then we go and I’m sitting there and on the way down thinking, the hell am I doing? Yeah.

Inside the Palestinian Camp

But we go into this camp and I spend the whole day there. I’ve got some great footage. I’m playing football with all the kids and on the side of all the houses they’ve got murals. And the lad who showed me round was a Muslim, fourth generation refugee. I related with him more than I related with anyone I met that trip. Trip. So I met Jews, I went around the whole of Israel. I related him more because he was like me. He was a background like me. You could have put him in a loop when he was won the latch. Yeah.

And he was telling me things as he walking around. He said, “Listen, never fund free Palestine because the money doesn’t come to us.” And I kept asking him, he didn’t know who I was. And I kept. And I’ve got all the footage of this. I kept asking him, “Who’s oppressing you, bro?” And he said, “The Palestinian Authority.” And I’m up Palestine and Florida. He didn’t. I didn’t know who they were at the time. Yeah. And he didn’t mention Israel.

And then he said. And he. I said, “What do you mean?” And he said. And he explains. So on the sides of the. All the houses are murals. So I said, “Who’s she?” He goes, “She blew up a bus in Israel. Suicide bomb. She’s a martyr.” I was thinking, she’s a terrorist, she’s not a mar. And then I said, “Who’s that?” And. And in this, in this camp. And I played football with the kids and I said, “Where’s the park?” He said, “There is no park.”

And then he told me that Palestine’s had three times more money than Germany had after the World War, but they haven’t got park and they haven’t got houses. And he explained why. He said, “I am a fourth generation refugee, my children will be fifth generation and theirs will be sixth generation because it benefits Hamas, it benefits the Palestinian Authority, it benefits fata, it benefits them to keep us like this. Because when people come and I left that camp, Russell, I’m an advocate for Israel and I speak out against Panasylib and Hamas. I left wanting to give the kids Money.”

The Payment System for Violence

And I said to my mate, what he told me was that the Palestinian Authority pay, say, the equivalent of 4,000 pound a month for the rest of the person’s life if someone leaves that camp and kills an Israeli. So I said, “If you leave the camp and kill a Jew.” And he corrected me. He said, “No, not a Jew, an Israeli, a Bedian, a Muslim, because there’s 2 million Muslims in Israel. Any of them, if you kill an Israeli for the rest of your life, you are paid by the Palestinian Authority a sum for the rest of your life.”

So then I said to my mate Dean, because I always viewed it as an Islamic jihad. And I thought, “This ain’t even jihad, bro. These are mercenaries.” So. And I look, I’ve got three kids. Dean adds children. I said, “There’s no future here now. For the only escape for a man to get his family out of here is to go and kill a Jew or an Israeli.” Yeah. So. And then I looked up the Palestinian Authority. We fund the Palestinian for it brings taxpayers money.

Revealing My Identity

So I’ve done all this. I went there with him, and then when I went there, I got back to Israel and I put a camera on him and I sat down in the safe zone. Then I said, “Can I tell you who I am?” And he’s like, “What?” I said, “Have you heard of the English Defense League?” He’s like, “Yes.” I said, “My name is Simon Robinson. I’m the leader of the English Defense League.” And he was upset, but he said, “Why?” Yeah, but by this point, we formed relationship. Relationship. We got on really well.

But he said, “Why? Why?” I said, “Because I had to hear from you. I had to see from you. From you as a refugee. I had to see the problems.” Yeah. And there are problems. Of course there’s bloody problems. Okay. It’s a war. Yeah, of course there’s problems.

Exploring Israel and the Disputed Territories

And then I went to Israel and I spent time in the disputed territories. I went to the settlements. I went to. I went to the Gaza Strip when also I was on the Gaza. I was on the Golden Hoyt Heights. Yeah. And I bought a. Bought a Mossad T shirt from a souvenir shop on the Golan Heights. Yeah. And I took a picture of it. And that’s from that picture when I went to New York, When I legally entered New York. Yeah.

When I went to New York, I wore a T shirt saying, “New York Police Department.” I’m in the New York Police Department. I wore a Hamas T shirt. I wore a Mossad T shirt. And from that picture, everyone says, I’m and obviously, I speak about Israel and I speak out against Hamas, because I understand that is like Israel is surrounded by this idea. Yeah. It’s special. So I’ve been there. So when people count on me on Israel or Palestine, I just say, “Have you been there?” Because everything I thought I knew, it was different in the sense there’s 2 million Muslims who live in the state of Israel, happily.

Witnessing Coexistence

And as I was going through, there’s camel racing. Must be a thousand young Arabs, Muslims. I’ve got an “I love Israel” T shirt shot. So I said, “Stop the car, stop the car.” I’ve got this little attraction to trouble. Yeah. So I’m going to “Stop the car, Stop the car.” And they’re like, “Why?” I said, “I want to go over there and talk to them.” Yeah.

So I walk over in the middle of a thousand young Muslims, there’s someone standing with a Kashkin. Yeah. I’m wearing a of Israel T shirt. No one bats a bloody oil. I was there when Trump got elected the first time. That’s when I was there. No one batting an oiled. And as we’re there, there’s a thousand young Muslim men and there’s Jews sitting down, down with skull caps on, having picnics. No one’s batting an eyelid.

And I’ve sat there and thought, if that was in East London or if that was in a Luton, I don’t think they can sit there and have that picnic without getting a bit of abuse. So this actually works better here than it does. Yeah, it works better here.

And then I spoke to the Muslims, every Muslim I met, because I’m obviously inquisitive. So I met a Muslim on the golden lights. I said, “Bro, what’s it like for you here? Here?” Yeah. And I’m expecting him to say, hates Israel. He said, “I have everything I want here, you know, and the bombs are going off.” It’s at the time of the war in Syria. And. And he says to me, and he’s in. He’s in Israel. He said, “I pray five times a day.” He said, “Where do you think I want to be?” And he pointed over there, where the bombs are going off. “You think I want to be over there?” He said, “I’m happy in Israel.” And I’m like, “What the hell, man?” So. And. And that doesn’t mean there’s not problems. Of course there are. But I went and asked questions.

Hamas and the Jewish Question

So when I speak about Israel Realm, I obviously have a strong opinion based on Hamas. I don’t know if you know this yet. So her mess the final. Hamas’s article in their manifesto says the final day of judgment does not come until all the Jews are dead. It doesn’t say the Zionists, it says the Jews.

Now, I call myself a Zionist because when. Because what I believe Zionism means, is that a homeland for the Jews? No. If there’s 55 Islamic nation, why can’t the Jews have one when it historically is their land and it has to be their land. Because they were there before the Muslims. Yeah. And they were driven out. So historically, nothing’s perfect. The Balfour Declaration. Nothing’s perfect. But if there’s 55 Islamic countries, why can’t the Jews. That’s my opinion. Why can’t the Jews have one when they were driven out of every country in Europe, when they were persecuted, when they were taught, when, when they’re.

So I have this opinion and I think, think, well, Saudi Arabia, don’t take any in. Egypt’s got a wall twice as big as Trump’s. Any country that took the Palestinians in, like Jordan, turned to civil unrest because they tried to overthrow the country themselves. They cause mayhem in Lebanon. So I look at this and think, there’s no perfect answer. There’s no perfect answer, but there’s a war.

A Hypothetical Scenario

And if we look at England and Scotland, if Scotland elected. Elected a government by a majority, which is what happened with Hamas, they were elected by the. The Palestinians. The majority voted for Hamas. The second majority voted for fatal. So it was two terrorist groups. Yeah. And Hamas’s final day, judgment doesn’t come to all the Jews attack.

So if Scotland elected a government that said “The final day judgment does not come till every English person’s dead.” Yeah. If that’s what they’ve done. And then that government used all the funding to fire rockets every day at us in England, in our playgrounds, in our schools. And then that government’s army, because it’s an army they’ve got, got Hamas and army hid in schools, in playgrounds, what would we, the British public, be saying? Or the English public, if they crossed the border and raped 1400 and bought loads of them back and kidnapped all our women, what would we be saying? We’d be saying, “Get rid of them, bleach them.” Look what our government done to Iraq and Afghanistan for nothing. Look what they’ve done for nothing. Yeah. So if that was happening.

My Personal Experience with Jews

So I do have a strong opinion. I have never met a bad Jew. I don’t know any heroin dealing Jews, Jews. I don’t know any grooming Jews or rapist Jews. I don’t Know any. I just. And I know that Jews rise to the top because they keep themselves in their family. They’re more. Their IQs are higher. So I see this and I’ve gone down the Jewish question. I’ve looked at it. Because when people blame everything on the Jews, I’m not.

And you know what? I don’t. Whether Biden was in charge of America. I despise Biden. I despise what he represented. I don’t mean to hate every American. You can disagree with the Israeli government, but why are you blaming the Jews, every Jew? Why is it the Jews, when I don’t know any. Any Jews that are in Britain are well integrated, they’re patriotic, they love the country.

So I have this stance and I. And I’m not about to. And you know what the easy option is to do, Russell? The easy option is to hate the Jews, or the certainly easy option is to not defend the Jews. The easiest thing is to not speak up about this issue because all you.

Funding and Media Allegations

RUSSELL BRAND: Get is.

TOMMY ROBINSON: I haven’t had funding. If any Jews are watching this now from Mossad, I’ll take your money, lads. But they haven’t had their money. So this rumor that I am funded by Israel, I work for Ezra Levant, my first job as a journalist, 2015.

Now, in fact, Russell, I’ll say this to you. You receive probably money from YouTube.

RUSSELL BRAND: Now, they demonetized me after I got accused of that. And the British government, the British government, Caroline D. Married to Mark Lancaster of the 77th Brigade, demonetized me that day. That day. So I don’t get YouTube money, but I reckon you can sort of tie me to Moody money somewhere. Go on. Rumble. Rumble. I get money from rumble.

TOMMY ROBINSON: What I mean is, when you receive advertisement of YouTube, the two main owners of YouTube, the CEOs, are Zionist Jews. Now, what that means is what. This is what they’ve done to me. It says, this is how they say it to me. That means you are funded by Zionist Jews. That’s what’s done to me.

So basically, I received money from Rebel Media. Rebel Media received money from Bob Schulman, who’s a Zionist Jew. If I was a Jew, I’d be a scientist Jew. Yeah. So I’d want a homeland. Now, when the anti Semitism is his wife. In every European country, where are they meant to go? As I think our country we want to go to is Britain. Where are the Jews meant to go if they don’t have Israel. So I understand.

Israel-Palestine Perspective

At the same time, when you’re watching all the media, I get why people are concerned. I get the worry of people looking at the Palestinians. I get it all. It’s very. But in war happens, real serious happens, and it is a war. And if Israel wanted to nuke and end every Palestinian’s life tomorrow, they’d do it like that. They do it like that. So they would. They could do it like that. And that doesn’t mean in war, there’s not wrongs being done by the soldiers. It doesn’t mean it. But that’s my view.

Football Connections and Trolling

Because I say that and then there’s certain things, Tottenham play Millwall. Football hooligans. Millwall, the biggest. Tottenham are one of the biggest firms that’s a staunch rivalry. Now, Luton have a good relationship with Millwall, with Tottenham. So in about 2010, when I was at the height of the EDL, I went to that game with Tottenham and it went all over the hooligan boards, all over the country. Tommy Robinson’s with Tottenham. Why is he with Tottenham? So I just answered, “because I’m a Jew.” Yeah, I’m just taking a piss. I’m just taking a piss because I’m a Jew.

Nick Griffin, at the start of the EDL, when I was wearing a mask, Nick Griffin made a video saying, “it’s a Jewish conspiracy.” Yeah, “it’s a Jewish conspiracy. And it’s the British state and they’re working with Mossad and it’s all Zionism.” So the next time I went to an event and I wore a badge just to piss off Nick Griffin, because he was attacking me all the time because he hated me, because I’m a race traitor. So I wore a badge saying, “I’m a Zionist.” Yeah. And it was just me trolling. It’s just me taking the piss. Anyone who knows my personality, I’m just on the wind up half time with half the things I’m saying.

EDL Company Controversy

But when you pull those things together and there’s another case. So in 2000, when I started the EDL, in 2009, I had a PA called Hel Gower that we had a Jewish division run by a lady called a very brave little Jewish lady called Roberta Moore. Now, Hel Gower hated Roberta Moore. Robert Moore hated Helga. So what Helgaard done in 2011, she set up a limited company and tried to trademark the EDL, and she’d done this. And she set up the Jewish division of the EDL and the JDL in order to try and trademark it to force Facebook to shut down Roberta Moore’s Facebook page.

So people dig up this company in 2011 English Defense. It’s not my company. It was hell gowers my PA. They dig it up and they try to say, “see Mossad control in the EDL.” It’s innocent. It’s all. So that’s where it comes from, man.

RUSSELL BRAND: But again, that’s pretty good. I’ve got 33 tattoo. I get a lot of grief for that. 32, that’s my Illuminati tattoo. I get a lot of hassle for that.

TOMMY ROBINSON: Symbols.

RUSSELL BRAND: What about how come Tottenham and Luton get on then? David Pleat. Was it David Pleat?

TOMMY ROBINSON: What is it?

RUSSELL BRAND: What’s the connection?

TOMMY ROBINSON: The connection was that some. When some lads got banned from Luton, you get football banning orders. They still want to go football. So there’s a lot of Tottenham football lads from surrounding towns near Luton. So they started going there with them. So then they formed a good relationship. Our youth. Our youngsters had a good relationship with Tottenham’s youngsters. So there was a friendship formed. So some clubs have that. Rangers have it with Chelsea. Certain clubs go together. Yeah. So when people say I’m Mossad, that’s where it’s come from.

RUSSELL BRAND: What about that tattoo, Tommy?

TOMMY ROBINSON: And then on this one, that’s the Khanda of the Sikhs.

Closing Thoughts

RUSSELL BRAND: Because a lot of confusing stuff going on, but that’s the one that matters. Our Lord and savior, Jesus, mate. That’s been very, very, very good to listen to you. There’s a lot’s gone on there. We talked for 97 minutes now. I know we could do a lot longer. I’m happy for all of that to go out. I think we should keep on talking and you see what kind of feedback you get. I’ll obviously say what feedback I get is going to get clipped up. I reckon people will care about this, but I’d love to talk to you more, mate.

And I respect your bravery and I respect your sacrifice and I respect your willingness to have conversations and I respect where you’re coming from. And I hope that we can find ways to work stuff out together because our country is in serious trouble and we’ve got to find ways, I reckon, to find new alliances, a new community so that the beneficiaries of this don’t have the same connections as always takes place.

You vote for labor, you get this lot. You vote for the Conservatives, you get that lot. And I don’t want the main beneficiaries of this uprising in the UK to be the kind of establishment interests that actually don’t care about migrants, don’t care about white working class, don’t care about Islam, don’t care about Christianity, care about the consolidation of global power and the exploitation of ordinary people everywhere and the denial of the one true God. So that’s like, mate, I think there’s room for us to explore stuff.

TOMMY ROBINSON: I enjoyed it. Russell, man, keep your eyes, keep your eyes on September 13th. Something huge is about to happen, man. Something. There’s a great British revolt coming, man, and a Christian revival. So thank you very much, Russell. I enjoyed here and good luck.

RUSSELL BRAND: Should we stay in touch? Nice one. Thanks for watching the video.

TOMMY ROBINSON: Have a look at this one over here.

RUSSELL BRAND: Or join us Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday on Rumble.

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