TRIGGERnometry: Christina P on Woke Culture, Feminism, and More (Transcript)

I don’t know. I can’t imagine. My father predicted this, which is really interesting.

Do you remember Michael Richards? I don’t know if you heard about the story. He was on Seinfeld. He played Kramer, the wacky neighbor. Back in like 2005, he went to the Laugh Factory and he was bombing on his set and he kept saying the N-word over and over. He was like, “these N’s, these N’s, these N’s.” And then, of course, it didn’t do well because there was no joke. It was just him lashing out.

But somebody had recorded him and put it on the Internet. And now he was being crucified for it. It was like the first canceling. And I went to my dad’s house and I go, “Did you hear about this thing that this guy is saying the N-word?” And he goes, “Well, so what? There is N-words in the world. It’s not a big deal.”

I was like, “Well, I don’t know. I can’t agree with that.” But I do think there… it’s like he goes, “This is how it starts.” This is what he told me. He goes, “This is the beginning.” And I go, “What do you mean?” He goes, “This is how it was before the communists came. The slow drip.”

And that was 2005. And exactly, society got real tight around like COVID, right? Like, people were losing gigs. Shane Gillis got kicked off of SNL for a tweet that he did. What the f*? But I don’t know what’s going on in Britain now. Are you guys like, are we feeling woke vibes still?

Britain’s Cultural Tensions

FRANCIS FOSTER: I mean, what’s going on in Britain is there’s things cooking, but we don’t want to admit that they’re cooking.

CHRISTINA P: I’ve seen you guys protesting a little something, something.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: You guys are like, “No, thanks, Muslims.” There’s a lot of… no, I’m like, it’s…

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: Well, let’s talk about it, because I’m so curious to hear your perspective. I know Europeans are a little different than Americans. You guys do have a culture that is thousands and thousands of years old. And you guys have coexisted in a union, European, right, for a while. And you guys like to keep your own, right? Religion, language, food, kind of. Unless they’re Indian. And then you guys can…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: What were you guys saying before we started about Indians and Mexicans?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah. So basically, Indians are our versions of Mexicans.

CHRISTINA P: Sure. We didn’t colonize the Mexicans.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: You did take their land.

CHRISTINA P: We stole their sh. But we didn’t force English on them and we didn’t force culture on them, right? Didn’t you guys… you guys did that at the end of the day?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, yeah, we did. We did, but… and this is going to get me into so much… because I talked to Indians about the British Empire, and I think they would be like, “I hate it.” And they were like, “There was some pretty good stuff you gave us.”

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah, well, English and culture. That aspect of culture being one of them.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

FRANCIS FOSTER: And the trains.

CHRISTINA P: Trains are good.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Trains are good. So actually, you know, is it all bad?

CHRISTINA P: I don’t know. I can’t answer that. I’m not Indian. Oh, no, I can’t. My stepdad was from India. He was born in Bombay and he hated it and he hated being poor and that’s why he came to America and became a capitalist. So I don’t know.

America’s Shift Away from Capitalism

FRANCIS FOSTER: But it’s so interesting, isn’t it? Because like, we’re looking like… I would have thought this would be the one country in the world that would be immune to communism. I just thought, you know, because I grew up, I saw America in the 80s and the 90s, you know, “God bless America.” You know, capitalism’s awesome. We make great stuff. We’re going to export it to the world.

Everyone kind of hated you, yet envied you at the same time, particularly. And now you’ve got like Zohran Mamdani, probably going to get elected.

CHRISTINA P: That’s crazy, dude. Okay, so what are we asking? How did this happen?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, I just like, to me it seemed like you were capitalism, capitalism, capitalism… woo! Communism.

CHRISTINA P: I don’t know if it’s that cut and dry.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I feel like we’re simplifying things a little bit here.

Postmodernism and Wokeness

CHRISTINA P: I think there is a disillusionment with our belief in government and them having our best interests at heart. I wish I were an expert on wokeism, but I am not. I do think it is some disillusionment with the authority and…

Oh, I actually, I can speak on a philosophical thing. I was a philosophy major in the 90s. I graduated in 1999 with a Bachelor’s in philosophy and I learned continental philosophy. I learned everything up until postmodernism. And my professors said, “You can learn about this stuff, but it’s stupid and nobody buys into this because it’s dumb,” basically. They didn’t say it like that, but…

And that’s when I started to read what is now the ideology of this culture of wokeness, of the breaking the binary, the non-binary and the gender stuff. And I think it’s a misinterpretation of the original ideas. I don’t think people are really understanding what they’re spouting as their philosophy.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: By the way, should we even be talking about it? Is it kind of not over here?

CHRISTINA P: Which one?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Wokeness? Like, is it not over?

CHRISTINA P: I mean, look, I live in Texas now.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: So I’m a little more… this is like Joe Rogan country here. And I’m really grateful to be more immune to it here. Being in California, you go… I go back to visit LA and I feel the reverberations still of like, the COVID time when people were really deep into it. Like, really. Like they’re still scared in so many regards. Like, there’s still a trauma from COVID.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: People in LA still wear masks. That’s what… with my head. Every time you land in LAX, there’s people in masks now. Yeah, yeah. It’s been five years.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. And I love that because I’m like, “Oh, you’re mentally ill now.” I can identify, but at this point…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: You kind of have to say that, right?

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. You’re like a…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: If you see one person in a mask per million, you go, “Maybe that guy’s got a special health condition.” But when you see lots of people, you go, “No, you guys are crazy.”

The Problem with Modern Activism

CHRISTINA P: Yeah, it’s hysteria, right? And I think it exists. It still exists a little bit in LA. Like I said, Texas, we’re like out. And this is no man’s land. That’s kind of great that way, but I try not to pay attention to these idiots, you know?

I do think a lot of it is mental illness. And I know that’s very politically incorrect to say, but like, I’m on TikTok. I love it. That’s where I get my news, because I… to me, it’s the truth of the people, you know?

And I watch TikTok and I watch like, a lot of these people that are like, “I’m astral gendered. I’m this gendered.” And I’m like, dude, if there was like one normal mother out there claiming to be like, whatever gendered, I’d be like, “Okay, cool.” Like, how come I’m not friends with any of them? Honestly? Like, I’m friends with everybody, dude. Like, I can’t find one to be friends with because they suck. Like, they’re not cool, they’re not fun. It’s…

FRANCIS FOSTER: Because you… you know what’s really… I’m just…

CHRISTINA P: I’m serious. They’re no fun. They’re not cool. Like, it used to be like, kids with purple hair and that looked like weirdos were like the cool kids, and now they’re the dorks and they’re angry about stuff, you know?

Yeah, I befriended one. Her… I can’t say her name. She worked at an ice cream parlor. She was cool. Them. Sorry, they were cool. That’s it. Maybe because I’m just old. Am I old? Yes, I am. But I mean, is it just not my generation?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: But I don’t… I don’t. I know people who see the world that way. They… you… they do not seem fun. Yeah, there’s a kind of earnestness about them.

CHRISTINA P: They’re f*ing bummers, dude.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Bummers has a very different meaning in British.

CHRISTINA P: That’s a bummer again.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah, not just gay, but someone actively engages in the acting.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Who consummates the, you know…

CHRISTINA P: Yeah, then that would be fun. Then those people aren’t having fun.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, they’re having… they’re having great fun.

CHRISTINA P: Just be free. Just be free and have fun. But they’re not having fun.

Motherhood vs. Parenthood

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Well, speaking of fun, a lot of your standup has been about being a parent. Not parent, sorry, mother. Because there’s a big f*ing difference.

CHRISTINA P: How dare you? There’s a big difference.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: What’s the difference?

CHRISTINA P: Do you think women are intuitive? We create life. We nurture life. We are goddesses. And you guys are awesome because you kill stuff and you keep us safe.

Put it this way, last night I was sleeping and my 6-year-old crawled into bed with me because he had a nightmare. And then our little kitten came and laid on my chest to sleep. My husband has none of those things. And there’s a reason. I’m not saying he’s bad or anything. It’s just that the feminine, this energy is a different thing, man.

I mean, you know that you have mothers, right, but they probably weren’t very nice to you because you’re comics.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I’m no longer a comic. So my mother was okay.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah, she’s Soviet’s mother.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah. Soviet mother.

Soviet Parenting

CHRISTINA P: Yes. Mine too. Very hard, very rough. Did she teach you to be a survivor like mine too?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: My mother wasn’t really that harsh with me.

CHRISTINA P: Oh, so lucky.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: But then I say that I think by Soviet standards… oh, so that’s like… yeah, you know, I’m trying to think of the right metaphor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

CHRISTINA P: Did she beat you?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No. Oh, no.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: But no, no, no.

CHRISTINA P: You’re like, you need to think about…

FRANCIS FOSTER: It a little bit though.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I’m trying to… no, I don’t think so. But it’s like I see this weird thing, like it wasn’t as big a deal back then. So if like… if you knew people whose parents beat them, you’re like, “Well, it’s kind of like, well, they’re not beating me, but this kind of is part…”

CHRISTINA P: It’s just… it’s just what happened.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Right.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

FRANCIS FOSTER: And also the language, particularly in England, was different. They wouldn’t say beat. They say, “I’d give you a clip around the ear.” Yeah, yeah, just a clip.

CHRISTINA P: It sounds so nice, doesn’t it? Yeah, it does.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Just a little clip.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: You know.

FRANCIS FOSTER: It wasn’t a clip. It was a full grown man going boom around your head. But yeah, but it was just like, oh, that’s a clip.

The Problem With Woke Culture and the Loss of Eccentrics

CHRISTINA P: But see, that’s the thing. So then you go, well, those are nice things about woke, right? So then I don’t want to sh*t on like all the non binaries because on the other hand now boys can be feminine or girls. Girls can always be masculine. I shouldn’t say that. But you know, maybe if you are a boy who’s on the gay highway and you know, and you just can’t come out yet, but you go like, oh, maybe I can wear a dress and that’s okay. Or maybe I can identify as something and then on my way over there.

But I think the problem is if you even criticize this stuff, you’re called a Nazi, you know, and that’s the silliest part. But what I miss most about society is eccentrics. Like Karl Lagerfeld. I became very obsessed with him recently because he was so inappropriate and he was this asexual homosexual and he didn’t like Jews and he didn’t like Muslims. And he was super talented though.

And he would give interviews and say that he hated fat women, especially fat models. And I was, I’m dying laughing hearing this because growing up people just said wild sh*t. And you were like, yeah, but that’s him. He grew up in Germany in 1800 or whatever. And he’s just an idiot. It doesn’t affect me.

But to not even have the license to say these things, I think is what bums me out. And we’re going to lose out on artists. We’re going to lose out on musicians and crap. As you know, I think, I don’t know, I’m just old too. But art is suffering for it.

If you look at, and I’m not shading Taylor Swift, she’s not my demographic, obviously it’s not for me. She’s hugely successful. But there is something bizarre to her being buttered noodles. And by buttered noodles, it’s like what radio used to be in America. So middle of the road, right? It’s like buttered noodles is everybody can eat buttered noodles. It’s not delicious, but everybody will eat buttered noodles. And Taylor Swift feels that way to me.

And there’s a certain safety in music now, a safety in art, a safety that has to be there because they’re creating in a bubble of the Internet. Could you imagine, I always think of the Beatles doing their 10,000 hours in Germany, right? And some sh*t dump bar becoming the Beatles. And could you imagine if they put that online and they read their comments as they were developing as artists?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: It was like, you guys suck.

CHRISTINA P: Ringo. What kind of ft name is Ringo? You know? And you’re like, that would have discouraged these teenage boys from becoming who they were. So there’s something to the surveillance of this woke culture that just kills the spirit, kills the art, kills the eccentrics. That’s what I miss.

The Curse and Blessing of the Internet

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Well, that’s the curse and blessing of the Internet, I think, because on the one hand, it allows people like us to do things and they get amplified and people watch them and, like, we never would have connected with, you know, 2 million people who watch our show without the Internet. But on the other hand, because the technology is so powerful, suddenly if a comedian says a rude word on a podcast, like, there’s 2 million people that saw them say that. And that’s a concern. Do you see what I mean?

CHRISTINA P: It makes me laugh so much because does anyone really give a sh*t?

CHRISTINA P: Does anybody really care? There’s five dorks in the basement writing this stuff. You know, one sensitive nerd, right?

FRANCIS FOSTER: I do. You know what? I agree, and I don’t agree. Like, take Mark Maron. He really cares about this stuff. Like, I look at Mark, and he’s on podcasts and he’s furious. Yes. He’s livid. He’s like, you know, the fascist. And you can see him working himself up. You’re like, Mark, you’re a millionaire. You’re 62, you’ve got a successful career, you’ve had one of the biggest podcasts of all time. Dude, chill out. But he’s like, he’s literally foaming at some points.

The Comedy Feud: Club Comics vs. Liberal Comics

CHRISTINA P: I know. Well, look, we’re comedians. We all have our soft points, our rubbing points, our triggers. But I think what’s, and I will say this because I’m aware there’s a whole feud right now in comedy that I’m kind of not.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Oh, is there? No, I am serious. Yeah, I don’t do stand up anymore, so I don’t pay much attention. What was going on?

CHRISTINA P: Well, let me break it down for you, okay? The history in a nutshell. It’s the club comics versus the liberal comics, let’s say. Okay? So back in LA, there’s two. There’s a few scenes in comedy, but back in the day, it was east coast versus west coast, right?

So in LA, you came up, you were either a club comic where you did wherever the fk they would take you. You get on the road, you go to Toledo, you do any bag place in Toledo, you’ll do Cleveland. I don’t know why I pick Ohio as my reference. But, you know, you’ll go anywhere, do anything, entertain anyone.

And then there’s the group of the liberal guys, like the Maron’s, the Patton Oswalds, the David Crosses, who preferred to do like, were considered alternative venues, right? Like smaller theaters and they catered to a specific audience. People that were like minded individuals and they seldom would do the road. It was considered, I don’t know, like, we’re like the circus people. Like, we’re just donkeys. Which kind of, yes, I agree. Yeah, entertain anybody. How much is it? Twelve hundred bucks. I’ll go there. That’s how I was. I just wanted to make a living anyway. Just wanted to be an artist.

So, but here’s the catch, here’s the rub, is that those liberal comics were also in the Hollywood system. So here’s the, they were so lucky. And I was so jealous of them back in 2008 because, like, here I am trying to get work on the road and be a donkey here, whereas they’re getting cast in pilots. And Comedy Central just loves these, like, weirdo, you know, alternative. And meanwhile, like, it’s just not for me, okay? But I think all those guys are funny. And, you know, everybody has their own way.

So what happened was podcasting was invented and that took off, and now those guys that are employed by Hollywood are no longer employed by Hollywood because Hollywood has shifted so tremendously to the podcasting and the independence world of the Internet. And I think, like, we don’t know how to, I don’t know, maybe they’re pissed. Is that what’s going on? That the economy of it all has switched? I don’t know, dude.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Well, that makes a lot of sense to me. Right. Because the people who used to get the opportunities and be on top no longer getting opportunities and not being on top. That’s not a recipe for happiness for comedians, right?

CHRISTINA P: No.

Comedians as News Sources

KONSTANTIN KISIN: And what’s interesting as well is the other thing that’s happened, and, you know, Mark, I’ve seen some of his stuff criticizing people is, you know, what’s happened is a lot of the comedians who hosted a podcast sort of are now seen by some people, maybe not by themselves, but by a lot of other people as, like, the source of news.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. Which is not how it was supposed to be.

FRANCIS FOSTER: That’s.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: That’s what I’m saying. Like, people say to us, and, you know, we try to, you know, also do journalism to some extent, as much as we can, but people say, oh, I get all my news from you. I’m like, you shouldn’t. You shouldn’t. And we do have serious conversations on the show, but, like, you need more than that, right?

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: So if you look at Joe Rogan and you think, like, this guy is the equivalent of the New York Times, you’re going to end up very unhappy, because that’s not what it’s for. Do you know what I mean?

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. The New York Times is a, that’s a totally different viewpoint, and everyone has their own. And, but the problem comes, too, when these, I think, too, there’s a disillusionment with our press, because then you start to learn what’s going on there, and they’re like, wait a minute, why is this story being written about so and so right now? Oh, oh, this all connected.

Like, there’s disinformation being actively spread in the public sphere of news. So then you’re like, well, who the heck can you trust? Well, I do know there’s a guy that spends a lot of time reading this on the Internet, and his name is Joe Rogan, and I don’t have the time to do it, but God bless Joe Rogan, because he does.

I’d rather listen to Joe Rogan than, I don’t know, CNN or Anderson or whoever, Fox. Because maybe he knows what’s up. He’s impartial. There’s no skin in his game for it. Right?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah. I think the issue comes. And this isn’t Joe, by the way, because Joe doesn’t play this game. But a game that I really grinds my gears is people who talk about serious subjects and have an opinion, and that’s fair enough. And then when they get challenged or they get caught in a trap and their logic is exposed, they go, “Hey, I’m just a comedian.” And you’re just like, dude, you can’t do that.

CHRISTINA P: Oh, can’t. That’s what I’ve been doing. But I never professed to be a genius and I just, you know, like, I’m just talking out of my ahole. But you think that’s what we all do, these opinions. I don’t know who the fk is right. I don’t know.

FRANCIS FOSTER: But what you do is different because you’re just, I’m a comedian riffing about stuff and the purpose of it is to be funny and then to be, maybe to make a point. But if you go into a debate and you’re like, “I’m going to talk about the Middle East and why Israel is committing a genocide,” and then you get caught spreading misinformation or conspiracy theory like a comedian called Bassem Youssef did. And then on Piers Morgan’s show, he went, “Haha, I’m just a clown.” I’m like, no, do you know what I mean?

On Piers Morgan and Meghan Markle

CHRISTINA P: I love Piers Morgan, by the way.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: You do?

CHRISTINA P: I do.

FRANCIS FOSTER: I think.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Why do you love Piers Morgan?

CHRISTINA P: No, I do. I love it. I know you guys have a different relationship to him because he’s one of yours and you see more of it maybe.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No, no, no, no. I’m not having a, we’ve had Piers on the show loads of times.

CHRISTINA P: Oh, I love him.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Let’s know him. Okay, I’ll tell him. Why do you love Piers Morgan?

CHRISTINA P: I love him.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: He’s going to watch this on repeat for the rest of his life, every day.

CHRISTINA P: Well, because I, like I said, I follow you know, your guys’s stuff. And I like that he was very outspoken against wokeness very early and he got fired for it. Yeah, like he had the show.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: He got fired for criticizing Meghan Markle.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, he did.

CHRISTINA P: That’s my favorite. Let’s talk about that. I, I just, I love watching him on Markle. That’s my absolute favorite.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Why?

CHRISTINA P: Oh, gosh. I mean, how much time do we have?

FRANCIS FOSTER: A lot.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: So I want to hear this and so does Piers Morgan.

CHRISTINA P: Okay, good. So, Piers, here’s why I love you, buddy. I think you were one of the first people to expose Ms. Markle for being a social climber, for being very ambitious, let’s say. I mean, look, I’ve read all the books.

FRANCIS FOSTER: You’ve done all the research.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: First of all, you’re not allowed to say at the end of this, “I’m just a copy.” This is your opinion.

CHRISTINA P: Listen, do I know about Israel and Palestine? I don’t know a thing. I don’t care, okay? I’m a mom. What I want to know is gossip about the royal family. That’s what I care about.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Give us an opinion.

The Meghan Markle Deep Dive

CHRISTINA P: Okay. I’ve done deep, deep dives, okay? So I’ve read all the books. I’ve done other things. I think the way he characterized her, because she came to London to be set up, and she wanted to be set up with a footballer. I forget that guy’s name. And somehow she weasels her way into getting set up with H. With. Hmm.

And then, but Piers Morgan says that, “Oh, yeah, no, I met Meghan Markle in a pub, and she’s very much a social climber. And she basically threw me over to get into with the royals.” And I was like, wow, that’s Baldwin. He said that. And that’s what got me on the deep dive with Meghan Markle.

And listen, also, I realize the monarchy is a sensitive subject with you guys.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No, just go for it.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Just go for it.

CHRISTINA P: But as an outsider, it’s not my thing. So as an outsider, here’s what I like about the monarchy.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Go on.

On the British Monarchy

CHRISTINA P: Are they flawed, douchebag, inbred people? Yeah. Do they have a birthright to be better than anybody? Of course not. It’s absurd. We’re well past the time of kings and queens. It’s stupid. It really is.

However, it brings a lot of, I think, tourism to your country. It’s deeply, it’s a tradition that is revered, and it’s everywhere. You go to the King’s Arms pub. Everything is named after the royalties. Okay, great. Fine.

I think this last queen was amazing. I think she really took it seriously. Charles, I mean, he gets it went very late in the game, which sucks for him. And that Camilla, please, she’s no queen, okay?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Why is she not a queen?

CHRISTINA P: She’s a side piece. Let’s be real. She’s a side piece.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: You can’t argue with her.

CHRISTINA P: No, she was a side piece. Okay. Anyway, I have a lot of opinions.

Respecting Culture and Tradition

CHRISTINA P: Let’s get back to Megan. The point of the story is I think it’s disgusting to come into a culture and be so willfully ignorant of it. And to go, “I didn’t even know that his grandmother’s a queen. And isn’t it silly? I had to do a curtsy, like, at medieval times.”

And it’s so disrespectful and so gross. As an American, like, as an American, I’m a donkey as well, culturally, I get that. But if I was going to go meet the queen, you better believe I’m going to figure out how to do that properly. It’s not my culture, dude. Respect that.

So I found that to be very arrogant, and then to go into Britain and be like, “I’m just going to do what I like to do. I’m the center of the show.” And it’s like, bitch, you’re not the center of the show. Actually, it’s the older brother and his wife that are going to inherit the throne, and those two know what the f they’re doing, and no one gives a f about you and your beige outfits and everything.

So she made it about her because I think she wanted to be famous. She wanted to be a big celebrity, and then she got Harry out of the system, and now she’s in.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: The thing that pissed me off about her, and I’m not someone who follows it closely, really, was when she tried to make all that about race after we had this wedding at which the entire country got down on its knees.

CHRISTINA P: And the queen accelerated, by the way. The queen pushed up everything so that they could get married sooner.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Right. And it’s just like, and look, it was a time in which a lot of people played that game. I just didn’t think, and that’s what Piers got fired for, I think, is talking about that basically saying.

CHRISTINA P: Isn’t that right?

The Race Controversy

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, it was kind of, it was also saying, do you remember the scandal where she said it was racist because they were going to have a baby and people in the royal family were speculating what color the baby was going to be?

CHRISTINA P: Yes.

FRANCIS FOSTER: My mom’s Venezuelan. I remember that. That’s basically what people used to talk about every time someone had a kid. Yeah, yeah. And they’d say something like, to my grandfather, “I hope he doesn’t have your Arabic nose. A woman with that nose, she will never find a mate.”

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

FRANCIS FOSTER: That’s how it is.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: But that’s how in every family, especially if there’s mixed heritage. That’s what everyone talks about every time.

CHRISTINA P: And even, okay, so, so what? Let’s say worst case scenario, somebody’s racist. Okay, so what, what are you going to do about it? You know how many stupid things have been said to me over the years? “You’re a female comic. Women shouldn’t talk.” Okay, so what am I going to do?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Sorry about that. I shouldn’t have said that.

CHRISTINA P: You know what I’m saying. It doesn’t mean you go to Oprah and blast your in-laws. I don’t care who they are. Blast your in-laws.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah. If I went public with everything my in-laws have said.

CHRISTINA P: But that’s what I’m saying. Is your family perfect and squeaky clean?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No.

CHRISTINA P: Who’s family? You know older people in the family that say inappropriate. Yeah, it’s normal, dude.

The Uncle Andrew Situation

FRANCIS FOSTER: Exactly. And the uncle is, shall we just say, dodgy, to put it mildly.

CHRISTINA P: The uncle.

FRANCIS FOSTER: The uncle.

CHRISTINA P: Uncle Andrew. Oh, Uncle Andrew. He got disinherited, didn’t he?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Well, the thing is, you can’t strip effectively, apparently.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I want to see where this sentence shows.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, apparently it was saying that you can’t strip him of his title. I don’t think there’s something kind of legalese where you can’t do that. But they’d kind of just been like, just stay out of the picture.

CHRISTINA P: Yes.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Because, you know, you bring a bit of shame.

CHRISTINA P: A lot of shame. Yeah, just a little.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Just a little. Because it turns out that he might have lied about the Epstein thing, cutting him off. And there was that email that came out that basically said, “I’ll stand with you till the death.”

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. And then Fergie with 40 grand in front of her or whatever. Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Are we getting ourselves in legal trouble by saying all this?

FRANCIS FOSTER: I don’t know.

CHRISTINA P: Allegedly.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Allegedly.

CHRISTINA P: We get bastard in America.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Same here. Same in Britain.

CHRISTINA P: Allegedly.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Allegedly. If you say allegedly, everything is fine.

CHRISTINA P: But the daughters have separated themselves from Andrew because they want to stay in favor, from what I understand, with the King and the K, maybe they don’t.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Maybe they don’t like their dad being a bit of a nonce.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah, for sure.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Wait, am I, I’m not sure I really should say that. I’m doing standup. Right.

CHRISTINA P: I’m just a comedian. I’m an idiot.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: What do I know? Generally that is not an area I have done a lot of research into. But I’m glad we’re delving into. Yes. So anyway, yeah, this is why you love Piers, because he stood up to Meghan Markle’s.

On Piers Morgan’s Boldness

CHRISTINA P: Well, to everybody. I think that, I think he’s right, dude. It’s like, what are you going to, you’re going to fire a guy because he had, actually, they can fire you if you work for a private company for saying whatever. But I don’t know. I like that he’s ballsy and he says inappropriate things.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: It’s fun.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Do you know what I think? I did this clip and I just, I put it on the Internet of me just doing a little rant about Meghan Markle. It went viral because, and I didn’t, the reason it went viral because there was a line in it where it went, “This is what happens when you marry a woman much smarter than you.”

And that is Harry. Harry. She’s, look, whatever you think about her, she’s not done. No, she’s a smart woman. Brilliant and brilliant and super hot, beautiful, way smoking. She is. And I don’t think, and this is my controversial opinion. People on the right don’t admit this. She’s a she. She’s a 10.

CHRISTINA P: She’s a 10. Of course she’s a 10 now.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Beautiful. I mean, she will eat you.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: After she’s had sex with you.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yes.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: But she’s a 10. So maybe that’s even people.

American Ambition vs. British Tradition

CHRISTINA P: And I think in America, it’s fine to be ambitious. It’s fine to be that. It’s fine to be a 10 who wants to see. But you can’t do that with the monarchy, because it’s not, it’s not a capitalist thing.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I think you can. You just can’t do it the way that she did it. Which is to come in. Your point earlier, I think was bang on, which is you’ve got to play by the rules of the game. You can’t come in and be like, “This game needs to change because I’m here.”

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. Who are you? This is thousands of years of tradition. But you’re right, so, so here’s the flip side. Harry is a bit of a pussy.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yes.

Harry’s Escape Plan

CHRISTINA P: Okay. Because we all know the guy that wants to get out of the family and say, “F* you, mom and dad.” So what do they do? They marry a bitch. Right? And the girl gives him the balls to stand up to mommy and daddy, and now he leaves the family.

So I think Harry, I read his book, too, the Spare. And yeah, he was, you know, he doesn’t want to be there. He doesn’t want to do the job. I don’t think. No, he didn’t. He was an athletic guy. He said he wanted to go to Eaton.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Wherever they all go to Eaton, darling.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. And he wasn’t a straight A student. He was just kind of a sweet goofball kid. But he didn’t want to, he didn’t want to do the family biz. And I think he married her to get out of it.

FRANCIS FOSTER: You know, I once did a gig near Eaton, and there was a lady in the front row, and I was emceeing, and I said, “Oh, what do you do?” She goes, “I’m a teacher.” I go, “Where do you teach?” And there was a bit of a pause. She looked at her friend and went, “Eton College.”

I was like, okay. I went, “When did you teach at Eton?” She gave the years. And I went, “What did you teach?” And she went, “Art.” And I went, “Did you teach Prince Harry?” There was silence. And I went, “Didn’t he get an E in A level art?” And y’all went, “That’s not a high.” It goes from A to E. Okay?

CHRISTINA P: We have F. That’s where it stops for us.

FRANCIS FOSTER: And then you, which is ungraded, which is a toll. Felt E. And I went, how did you manage to make that work? And she said, and I quote, “I did the best I could with the materials on offer.” So I don’t think he’s a super bright guy. This very hot, very intelligent, very beautiful actress swans in.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: And then, you know, I feel a lawsuit coming on.

CHRISTINA P: They can’t get me overseas, right?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No, no, no. You stay in Texas in your fortress with your…

CHRISTINA P: This is… No, this is like Candace getting pinched by… What’s her name, Macron’s wife. You think she’s a… You think she’s a dude? No.

The Brigitte Macron Conspiracy Theory

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No. What is this retarded sh*t that people come up with? Why do people… I have to say, though, there is a small part of me that worries because I’ve talked a lot about Candace and Brigitte Macron, because I think the idea that she’s a dude is retarded. But there is a 2% chance I’m wrong, and then I’m going to look like the biggest idiot in the world. So I don’t know, but I don’t think so. Do you think she’s a dude?

CHRISTINA P: Can I tell you how retarded I am? So I went down Candace’s rabbit hole. I read the book she recommended and everything, and I’m like, it’s not impossible. Like you said, is it plausible? No, but it is possible. But we will see. Because she’s got to supply her DNA, right, or something to resolve this lawsuit.

CHRISTINA P: I don’t know, we’ll find out soon enough. Or had a d*ck or whatever.

FRANCIS FOSTER: But the thing is, she got together with Macron…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Is the point of this episode to make sure we can never work again? Is that what we’re doing here?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yes.

Immigration and Cultural Integration

CHRISTINA P: I didn’t talk to you guys because I have so many questions for you.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Like what? Like what?

CHRISTINA P: Well, let’s… Can we talk about the Muslims and Britons, please?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I’m just curious as an outsider.

CHRISTINA P: Okay.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Okay.

CHRISTINA P: Here’s what I… My understanding is that culturally, you guys, it sucks. Culturally? Yeah. Like to have your dominant culture be overtaken? Is that what the issue is?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: But I don’t think that’s… That’s… What’s… It’s not being overtaken. So Muslims are about 4 million out of 70 in the UK.

CHRISTINA P: Okay.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: The issue, I think, is that while most Muslims are perfectly decent people, they follow the law, they do everything else that everyone else does. There is a fringe that are extremist. And instead of dealing with them the way that you would deal with any other people who are engaging in criminal activity, there is a feeling that they are being given some leeway.

Or the crimes that are committed by, say, grooming gangs, rape gangs, which were in some areas very heavily Muslim, or not just Muslim, but from very particular areas of former British Empire. Those crimes were overlooked and in fact covered up to avoid upsetting what they called “community cohesion.”

So this is the issue, right? If you want to be Muslim and someone else wants to be Christian and someone else wants to be Jewish and everyone practice their religion and follows the laws and is faithful to their country and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no one would have any issue with that. But the moment you start creating a society where different groups get special treatment, that’s when people suddenly go, well, hold on a second, why is that happening? That’s, I think, what… The stuff that you guys are hearing over here, that’s what’s going on.

CHRISTINA P: Got it. Because I think as a… I’m an old school immigrant, kind of like you are. We’re both from the Soviet world. My parents, when we came to the U.S., they were like, no, we are America now. We assimilate to this. I don’t put the Hungarian flag outside the house. There’s a reason for that. We are in America now.

And I think it’s considered… Is that racist now to go, yeah, no, no, you’re… I understand where you’re from. That’s cool. You can eat your… you can do your thing, you speak your language, but you do have to abide by these rules. Because we’re in this country now.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Well, you need to buy in. It’s not just… See, people always talk about you got to follow the rules, but I don’t think it’s just about that. I think it’s what your parents said, which is, we become this new thing and we let go of a lot of the… that we brought with us because we’re American now.

CHRISTINA P: Yes.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Right. And this is the concern, I think with immigrants. America, in my experience is the most pro immigration place in the world. Yes, right. Is that fair?

CHRISTINA P: Thank God. And yes. And thank God for it, because I wouldn’t f*cking be here if it weren’t for that.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: And at the same time, there’s also the feeling that… like you said, we welcome you, but it’s like if you welcome someone to your house… take your shoes off. It’s a no shoes house. Take your shoes off.

CHRISTINA P: There you go.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: That’s it. It really is as simple as that. And that’s what’s happening in Europe is a lot of people feel like people aren’t taking the shoes off.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: And in fact, we’re supposed to say, well, that’s their culture. They wear shoes in the house, so they should wear shoes in our house. That doesn’t wash.

CHRISTINA P: I know. And it’s such a… It’s such a fussy line with that. With those two cultures, you know, east and west, it’s fussier. And I think certain cultures meld easily. Easier.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yes.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yes.

CHRISTINA P: Others. Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Right. Well, if both cultures have shoes off in the house…

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Then it’s Kumbaya. Yeah.

FRANCIS FOSTER: And it’s also as well, there’s certain religions from the same, roughly the same part of the world that have melded very well with British culture. For instance, Hindus and Sikhs.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah.

FRANCIS FOSTER: There have never been really any problems. Sikhs are, in fact, some of the most patriotic people. And when it comes to getting pissed, no one gets pissed harder than the Sikhs. I know people have been to a Sikh wedding. Dude, every one of those just drank me under the table.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

FRANCIS FOSTER: You know, so it’s kind of part of the culture. Whereas as well, there’s also the specter of terrorism with the fringes of the Muslim religion. And when you look at the majority of terrorists or extremists that are on the watch list in the UK, the majority are Islamic terrorists or people who support or sympathize with those particular actions.

And you’re looking at this and you’re going, well, this… Unless we actually have a full and frank conversation about what’s going on here and how we deal with it, then the problem is only going to get worse. But nobody wants to have the conversation. And every time you do, you get, “diversity is our strength.”

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Diversity is our great… This is what… Every time there’s a terrorist attack. “Diversity is our greatest friend.” Right. And if you keep making that connection to people, they go, what the f*ck are you talking about? Yeah, eventually. Right.

Because that… The fact that there’s people from different… In America, there’s people from different places in one country. That’s fine as long as we are honest about where certain problems are coming from and we all get together and really focus on fixing them. Thousand percent, instead of all getting together and focusing on covering up the problem.

CHRISTINA P: A thousand.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: That’s what’s happening in the UK.

CHRISTINA P: A thousand percent. And I…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: So that’s why you’re here in all of that.

CHRISTINA P: I get it. Okay. Yeah. Because in this country you’ve got the left and the right and you’ve got the Texans who are like, you get out of my country. I don’t want y’all.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: All.

CHRISTINA P: And then you have California that’s like, everybody come over, it’s fine. So somewhere in between those two is, I think, where we come and find a solution. So who’s in your… There’s enough people going, this… get out of our country. Are there? And there’s enough people on the other side going, oh, it’s fine. So somewhere it’s got to…

FRANCIS FOSTER: Well, and the issue is, which is slightly different in America, is the people going, oh my God, isn’t it wonderful that they come over here and it’s… Everything’s beautiful. They’re the ones in charge. They’re the ones in charge of the government at the moment and they’re the ones in charge of all the institutions.

So what’s actually getting pumped out in the party line is, oh my God, guys, diversity is our strength. Ignore the bombings.

CHRISTINA P: Gotcha.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Whereas all the regular, particularly blue collar, because we’re a far more class based society than you are here. So all the working class people are just like, mate, there’s grooming gangs happening and there’s terrorism and whatever else, and their voice hasn’t been heard. But now with the Internet and with the rise of certain political figures, whether mainstream or on the fringe, we’re having a discussion whether you like it or not.

The British Class System

CHRISTINA P: Yeah, I like that. I forgot you guys have a class system that blows me away.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: That’s the amazing thing about America. It’s like, if you’ve got money, you’re upper class. If you don’t have money, doesn’t matter who your dad was, it doesn’t matter who…

CHRISTINA P: Well, it’s true. My Indian stepfather, that’s what he loved the best about America. He’s like, no, basically I’m white because I’m a millionaire. I’m a Republican.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: You can buy skin color in America.

CHRISTINA P: You kind of can. You kind of can.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Oh, totally.

CHRISTINA P: But what is this horse sh*t with you guys? You guys are still stuck in this. What is… Is it real anymore?

FRANCIS FOSTER: I mean, it still exists. It’s not… It doesn’t… You’ve set him up.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: He is from a lower middle class, upper working class background and he’s got a giant chip on his shoulder.

FRANCIS FOSTER: So even now, good for you. Yes, thank you.

CHRISTINA P: Sticking to the man.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Even now that we’ve built this thing from complete scratch with our own efforts. No one’s held us down, no one’s lifted us up. It’s entirely on merit. No one’s holding him back. He’s still got this…

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, exactly.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Talk him out of it.

CHRISTINA P: What’s your… Man. What are you upset about? You made it. Why are you still pissed off at the rich?

FRANCIS FOSTER: That’s my identity.

CHRISTINA P: You are Richie now. But this is the hypocrisy. You can’t play both sides.

FRANCIS FOSTER: What do you mean?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Correct.

CHRISTINA P: Either you’re rich or you’re not, man. You got to own it. You can’t. Because I was a poor growing up. An immigrant piece of nobody. Zero. And then I made my money in America and now I’m a rich piece of… I’m a hypocrite. I’m a douchebag.

You just got to surrender to being an older douchebag. That’s what happens when you get older.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: This is great advice.

CHRISTINA P: You just become your parents. I mean, but your parents are poor, so forget that.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I’m becoming my mother. That’s worrying.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: That is worrying for all of us.

CHRISTINA P: Is this like the Gallagher brothers? Is this where you still have to pretend to be, I’m the king of Manchester? What does it sound… I’m the mayor of Manchester. Even though, they clearly live…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah, this is why I keep trying to tell him. It’s like, you got to let go. You got to. But it’s so strong on people.

CHRISTINA P: By the way, I love Oasis. For the record, I have huge fans.

The British Class System and Economic Hypocrisy

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I don’t know if they watch the show, but we, for example, we have a guy who’s big. He’s become a big YouTuber now. It’s very kind of progressive left wing guy called Gary’s Economics. Right?

This guy is a multi, multi, multi, multi millionaire who made his money in the city, in the finance world, and now he does videos in a dirty T-shirt about how the government is about to screw you over because you’re working class. Right?

And that works in Britain because people look at him and they go, well, he looks like me. He sounds like me. And I’m going, he’s a multi millionaire. Yeah, look, I’m not having a go at him. I’m just, this is a way of explaining the classes.

CHRISTINA P: No, no, I understand. So he’s playing both sides of the thing.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: Is the government screwing over the working class?

FRANCIS FOSTER: They’re screwing over everybody, at this point, I would say. I would say we have come to the point in the UK where actually the model is no longer working.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: All right, let’s test this little thing that we’re playing out here. How do you feel about tax the rich, Francis?

FRANCIS FOSTER: How do I feel about tax the rich?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah. Well, how do you feel about that as a slogan, huh? Tell me, Mr. Working Class Man.

FRANCIS FOSTER: No, no, look.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: How do you feel about it?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Look, tell me. Look, I think that. What?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No, go on.

FRANCIS FOSTER: No, I’m trying to explain. I’m trying to explain. I think that in order to uplift the poorest in society, you need a strong…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: You sound like a politician, mate.

CHRISTINA P: Trickle down economics, that you were saying?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I’m just a comedian.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Rising tides lift all boats is what I’m saying.

CHRISTINA P: It’s going to work harder.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah. Look, what people want is opportunity and the chance to succeed.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No, it’s not. No, it’s not. They want to tax the rich, take their money and then give it to themselves. That’s what people actually want. 75% of people in Britain support a wealth tax. Why aren’t you one of them if you’re a working class mate?

FRANCIS FOSTER: No, because I just… I think that those type of economics don’t work on the long term. I think they may sound good and they may feel good, quite like socialism, but if you look at the actual way it’s applied, I don’t think it works.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: What you’re saying is you care about the country.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, exactly.

CHRISTINA P: Well, I think that is the big distinction between… At least last time I was in…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: It’s a good answer.

CHRISTINA P: England is very diplomatic.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Thank you.

CHRISTINA P: But you guys, I don’t want to…

FRANCIS FOSTER: Pay any tax.

CHRISTINA P: Because, you know, it’s horse. Where does it go?

Taxation and Public Services

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I have a different view on it. I don’t mind paying 50% tax, which is what we effectively do in the UK.

CHRISTINA P: That’s bonkers, bro.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: If that buys me and the entire country good public services, good infrastructure, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That’s not what’s happening. Right.

I was walking through London. Do you know, you, of course, you’ve been London loads. You know Mayfair, it’s like the richest part of the country. And I saw one of these on an electric bike with a balaclava on drive past a tour, American tourist. Is it? Because I could hear from the accent and snatch like a boutique bag out of his hand. 20 miles an hour, just carry on like that, right?

London is becoming like… And then I tell people about it. Everyone who lives in London’s like, yeah, I had my phone stolen last week. I had this. Like, that’s not worth 50% tax.

CHRISTINA P: No. That’s why I left California.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Right.

CHRISTINA P: That’s how I was getting there. And there was no service, There was nothing there. Homeless people living in the streets and it was terrible. Yeah. And then you go, why am I living here? Why did I work my a off for 20 years to give half my money to the government? And they’re not spending it properly. Yeah.

So, but you guys do give a rip about your communities more than we do. Like these council houses, is that what they’re called? Fancy neighborhoods where, you’ll be in a nice neighborhood. And you’re like, wait, what’s that doing here? You’re like, poor people get to live in this neighborhood? Like, that blows my mind. As an American, we don’t never do that. You know, there are specific whole sections where we just push the poors. But, does that work?

The Growing Wealth Gap

FRANCIS FOSTER: I mean, look, until recently, I’m going to be honest, I think it did. I think where we are now, sadly, and I think this is why a lot of these people are saying tax and rich wealth tax is because the gap between rich and poor, it just seems to be growing all the time. And I think it’s a huge problem.

And I don’t think people on the right are actually honest when they’re like, oh, people vote for Zoran Mandani, for instance. They’re all dumb, they’re all students, they’re all woke. It’s like, yeah, but, dude, it’s like four and a half grand a month rent for a basic flat in New York. And that’s fine if you can afford it.

But the vast majority of people who work hard, do good jobs, are productive members of society. They can’t afford that. So, of course, if someone comes along and goes, freeze rent, screw landlords, can you really blame them in a way?

CHRISTINA P: Of course, of course. I know, but I don’t know, because I’m not there right now. In this country, when I was in my 20s, I did anything and everything to get by to become an artist. So I was working day jobs and… But the kids tell me now they’re like, there’s no jobs, there’s just no jobs. And I’m like, I don’t know. Is that true? Is that not true? I’m out of touch. I don’t know.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, and it’s kind of the worry because I don’t think it works to call people… And we should have learned this from Trump and Brexit and all of this. When people are angry and they have an idea which doesn’t work, like socialism, communism, we’ve seen in our countries, it simply doesn’t work.

You are not going to win someone over by calling them stupid or retarded or going, look at this person, that’s X, Y and Z. Just like you’re not going to make people want to vote for Trump any less by going, oh, you’re stupid, dumb and racist. Yeah, these tactics don’t work.

And I think we face real issues within our own society and we need to have a conversation about it and go, how are we going to solve this? Because we can’t have people who work all day every day barely living and just have the other side of it, which is a very few super rich.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Well, this episode has become us ranting at you about this.

CHRISTINA P: I love it. I want to know this stuff because all I know is what I see in TikTok.

FRANCIS FOSTER: But, but it’s also…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: What do you see on TikTok?

Social Media and Social Division

CHRISTINA P: I saw the protests. I saw a lot of right, hardcore right wing people protesting Muslims in your country. And I was like, well, surely that’s not the whole story, obviously, because, I mean, look, in America, capitalism has worked to some extent, but it’s terrible for the welfare overall of human beings. I think we know that.

And you have to divorce yourself from the inhumanity of capitalism, the way it works in our country. I don’t know, I feel like you guys had a moderate system. Yeah. Where people… There was a welfare state. Is that what it’s called?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yes.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. Where there’s a basic level of humanity that’s disappearing. I mean, in America too, we had some level of giving a rip about people, but it’s just gone.

I don’t know, I feel like people are more and more… There’s less of this happening face to face. Right?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: Like, I can see in your face right now you’re thinking, and we’re knowing we’re having connection and there’s… This is very different than these two, these three, you rich, you know, which, of course. Yeah. I don’t know, but I know what’s going to happen.

FRANCIS FOSTER: But that’s such a shame because I knew… Do you mean when I used to talk to people from America, their jobs, your jobs were so well paid, even like you’re a lorry driver, you would get like 100 grand a year.

CHRISTINA P: Oh, is that right?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah, you should have done that.

CHRISTINA P: Whoops.

FRANCIS FOSTER: If you do all the overtime and look, it’s a tough, hard job and you’re on the road and whatever else, but this idea that that’s going is kind of…

CHRISTINA P: That’s…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah. And then AI is coming and then we’re off.

The Future of Work and AI

CHRISTINA P: That’s the next time. Yeah, that is. That’s the next…

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Well, it’s already happening. It’s already happening. It’s really… We were talking with Joe about this, it’s going to be a wild ride.

CHRISTINA P: Yes, yes. And I don’t know how to prepare my children for that one.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I don’t think anyone knows. I don’t even know if there’s going to be such a thing as a job 20 years from now. Can we say that? Can we say there’s going to be jobs? What if the AI and the robots do everything right? Then we don’t need to work. And you go, that’s great. Is it though? Is it?

Have we ever had a time in human history when large numbers of people didn’t have meaning and purpose and structure to their lives and had abundance?

CHRISTINA P: Saudi Arabia, oil money. Don’t they take the oil money and divvy it up?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Basically?

CHRISTINA P: Is that how that works? Again, I’m totally ignorant of economics.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: But, but, but sand your race.

CHRISTINA P: They have no purpose.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: They seem to be chilling pretty hard. It’s a great example.

CHRISTINA P: The leisure class. Okay, theoretically, we want to create a leisure class. Right. That’s the point of AI. But you’re right, it won’t go that way. Why? Because men need to do things. Women can just exist. I think I can just chill and garden and pet my cats, my kids. You guys need to go out and fight stuff. Pick up swords, stab things. That’s a male thing, man. You guys have itchy assholes and you need to go do things.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: That’s such a good point.

CHRISTINA P: So what are you going to do?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I don’t know.

CHRISTINA P: Kill the robots?

FRANCIS FOSTER: I think some people are going to try.

CHRISTINA P: I hate them. I hate these cars that drive themselves around Austin. Every time I see one, I give it the bird and I call it the enemy.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Passive resistance.

CHRISTINA P: Ew.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: You, man.

Men Need Purpose

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah, robots. That’s a really good point about men. Men need to do. It’s one of the interesting things that kind of got suppressed for a while. We pretend there’s no differences between men and women at the cultural level. That’s such a dumb thing to do.

CHRISTINA P: Have kids. You had kids yet?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: What do you have? Boys? Girls?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I have a boy.

CHRISTINA P: Okay. So, I mean, you know, they come out wired this way. My kids make guns out of everything. There’s nothing I don’t love.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah. They do live in Texas.

FRANCIS FOSTER: They do.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No, totally. My son just can’t. He can’t sit still. He just runs around. Smashes into sh*t.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Hits things. That’s what he needs to do because he’s a boy, you know.

The Power of the Feminine

CHRISTINA P: I get it because I understand that, you know, women have been repressed for so long and subjugated and whatever, and then we got mad and we were like, you, we’re going to do it. And now there needs to be a back come to Jesus again with the two of us. It’s just too out of balance.

And I think women have forgotten what their value is. Being feminine. There’s so much power in the feminine. There’s so much power in being a mother and a woman that’s being devalued. It’s too bad. I don’t want to do what my husband does.

Especially after having cancer last year. I was like, you know what, dude? I don’t want to do the road 50 weeks out of the year for what? More money, more fame? I don’t care anymore. I do not care anymore. Let him do it. He likes that. Let him make the money. I want to sit home and garden, pet my cats. And there’s value in that because I have two little boys that I’m raising.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah. Such a profound point. I’m so glad you made it as well. Did you always want kids?

CHRISTINA P: That was such a funny segue. No, I thought I was a career woman and that I would just dominate the stand up world and be a multi-millionaire.

The Lie Women Were Sold

KONSTANTIN KISIN: There’s a reason I asked you about this because it’s kind of a weird thing as a guy to even delve, to even dip your toe in the waters of this conversation. But we are, this is a fact. I’m just saying what I’m experiencing. People can hate me, whatever.

We are meeting a lot of people all over the world, but particularly in the US, UK, etc, who are women, got to the late 30s, early 40s, they haven’t had kids, they haven’t been able to find that relationship. Right.

CHRISTINA P: Know where you’re going, I think.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: And it’s like. And a lot of them are sort of very carefully revealing that they kind of feel that they were lied to about what they’re supposed to do with their life. They’re supposed to do this. And now they did all that and they’re kind of, wait, I didn’t end up where I wanted to end up.

CHRISTINA P: Meaning childless, unmarried. Yeah, yeah. Because I think we were sold a bill of goods on feminism. That just isn’t how it is. Right. So we needed to get out of the kitchen. This is true. We didn’t have any choices. We had no options. Okay. So we needed Betty Friedan, we needed Gloria Steinem, but Gloria Steinem never had children.

And that’s the piece of feminism that is missing from all of this, is motherhood. How does that fit in? And how does marriage fit in? Because we figured out how to become independent of the system, kind of. But is that really what we all want, is to be outside of a system that has worked historically for thousands and thousands of years? And there’s a biological drive to reproduce.

And I think too, if you spend. And then this is just practical. I’m going to be 50 in June. And if I had daughters, this is what I would tell them. Find the guy you’re going to marry in your 20s. That’s when Tom and I met.

And if you’re banging all of these dudes and you’re wasting your time on the apps, having meaningless sex for your 20s, your 30s, and now you go, okay, I’m going to settle down now. I’m going to get serious about finding a man. Well, guess what, all the first draft picks are gone because the good guys got married in their 20s and early 30s.

And who’s the leftover, you’re, oh, there’s this one weird guy that’s never had a girlfriend. And you know, so especially biologically, that’s a lie. Women have to adhere to their biology. We can’t have babies really in our 40s unless we have medical intervention, which I did. I’m totally open about that because I did the career thing first and then I did motherhood.

You know, if I had to do it over again, I would have said, I don’t know about this career thing. I’ll let my husband make the money. And I would have had 10 more kids. Ten years younger, I would have had more. Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Really?

CHRISTINA P: I love it because I think that’s the meaning of this existence, is to love your family and love. What else is there? Fame. Who gives a sh*t? I’m going to be dead. No one’s going to remember me in a few years. Right. Who remembers Benny Hill? Do you guys even know who that is?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah, of course. He’s a legend.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: But I don’t think about him as often as I think about my son. You know what I mean?

CHRISTINA P: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then again, the societal pressure for women is much less to achieve. We just have to be attractive and thin and young. You guys have to be rich and successful and tall.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: At least two of the three.

CHRISTINA P: At least two of us are. Yeah. You could. Yes, exactly. You could be ugly and rich.

Women’s Biology and Career

FRANCIS FOSTER: That’s fair enough. But thanks for looking at me while she said that. But I was going to ask a serious question. It seems that women have been sold a dud.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

FRANCIS FOSTER: And it’s only now that they’re waking up. And I really hope that we’re going to have an honest conversation about this because the number of women that I’ve spoken to, these are really smart women, career women, lawyers, whatever it may be. And they’re unaware of their own biology because they weren’t taught in school. No one explains to them, hey, if you want kids, the best time to have it is probably in your mid-20s.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. Biologically, yes.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Emotionally, yeah. You know, I’m actually relatively happy that we had our son in our late 30s because the parent that I am is. I mean, 20 year old me was a. Yeah, right. I mean, 30 year old me was in it. I’m still kind of in it, but less so over time.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: So there’s probably some kind of middle ground. It just feels like what I see is a lot of people are just a lot of women are getting to that age. And they’re just realizing that the thing that they thought they were supposed to focus on.

CHRISTINA P: Yes.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Is not the thing that makes them happy 100%.

CHRISTINA P: And if you say that you’re going to get crucified.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: But that’s why, that’s why people don’t.

CHRISTINA P: Say, I was just thinking about this this morning on the toilet. I’m so excited that we’re.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: You were thinking about this?

CHRISTINA P: I was this morning.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Why are you thinking about it?

What Makes Women Happy

CHRISTINA P: Because, I said, I’ve been through a major illness, I’ve been through two kids, I’ve had fame, I’ve had money, I’ve traveled, I’ve done a lot of. And now in my 50s, I’m going to go, okay, well, what is it? What is it? What’s the work here? Is it to be happy? What does that mean? Was it about the stuff was about getting famous? No. And I’m getting lost in my own sauce. What did you say before?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I just said, why were you thinking about it on the toilet?

CHRISTINA P: Because it’s. What, what’s the point? What does make women happy? Sorry, that was it. What makes women happy? And I was thinking on the toilet, well, what makes me happy is unfortunately more fortunately, the traditional things.

And now had I said that to my 20 year old self, I would be horrified because I was a good feminist and I fought my way through comedy and I did all the clubs. I wasn’t. I’ll show you. I’ll be the best female comic. And I carried this anger that compelled me for 20 years. Right.

And then you become. I became a mom and I got humbled by illness and then I was, okay, so what makes me happy? I know what makes me happy. I can’t speak for all women, but is there something to my biology, to my essence? Possibly. Possibly. Do we know what makes all men happy? I don’t.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah, we do.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: Steak, blow jobs.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah. Football.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah. Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I mean, I’m not, I’m not that into football, but yeah. Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: But I think too, it’s the, this, it was the male ideal of success that ruined women. It was this idea that in order to become equal, we had to be like you.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yes.

CHRISTINA P: That’s the problem. I have to have my career exactly like Tom’s. I have to be successful. This is not going to work for me. This is not going to work because I’m a mother. My body can’t keep up with this pace of work. It’s not good.

And it makes the woman angry, resentful, bitter. And now I’m useless because if my kid can’t come for a snuggle and my cat can’t come, you know, I’m the center of the home. This is the truth. And it’s not pretty to say anymore, but that’s just. That’s what I learned.

FRANCIS FOSTER: And it’s so interesting that you touched on power before, because we were talking about power, and women want to be powerful. Men are powerful. Women are super powerful. Just not in the same way.

CHRISTINA P: 100%, babe. We are the ones, the puppet masters. No offense, but there’s a reason I’m sitting here talking to you. My husband’s on a plane to Indiana right now, okay? And, I mean, I’m so grateful that he does do that. I’m not saying that I manipulate him to do that. He wants to do that.

But, yeah, women’s lives can be fantastic if you let the guys just do their own. Let them do it. I always think about Margaret Thatcher. I’m fascinated by her, too. When she got into parliament and her voice was too high, so she had.

FRANCIS FOSTER: To talk in a lower register to.

The Cost of Masculinization

CHRISTINA P: Be understood by the men and this and that. To be taken serious, she had to masculinize her. And, like, okay, maybe that’s what she liked, but at what cost to her spiritually? I don’t know. I don’t know her. I don’t know. She didn’t seem terribly happy. She seemed to work a whole lot. I mean, that was her secret to happiness.

FRANCIS FOSTER: And it’s also as well. And I’d love to get your opinion on this. There’s the whole kind of sex positive thing. And there’s part of me that goes, that’s just an idea from a dude who’s like, let’s be free.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Polyamory is not a female invention. Do you know what I mean?

FRANCIS FOSTER: No.

CHRISTINA P: And behind that, there’s some dumb b on TikTok going, “and I love being polyamorous. It’s the best thing for us. I get my partner.” I will say this. And again, this is very controversial, too. Spiritually and physically, it is not good for women to be promiscuous. I couldn’t do it.

And I put it this way. Like, a guy blasts a load into you. Think about that. Like, just a dude blasts his load in me. Like, who are you, bro, that you’re just going to dump your clip in me? And then, like, I would carry the biological responsibility of that. It just seems rude for just some stranger to dump his semen inside of me. And I should thank him for that.

Like, who the f are you, bro? More respect. Like, what happened to, like, no, court me? You got to court me. Take me out for dinner. At least take me out for dinner and then maybe I’ll f you. You know. But coffee date. Is that what people are doing, coffee dates now?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: And I know Francis is the one that’s dating.

CHRISTINA P: Francis, are you dating?

FRANCIS FOSTER: I am dating.

CHRISTINA P: Okay, so tell me, you dumping clips?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: This is going to be a great clip, by the way.

Nescafe Dating

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah. So, yeah, this is what I found very interesting about the apps. It’s that I call it Nescafe Dating, which is like, when you meet someone in real life, IRL, as the kids say, whatever it may be.

CHRISTINA P: IRL.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yep.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

FRANCIS FOSTER: There’s, you get to know each other. You’re like, oh, I like her. She’s nice. Let’s, oh, can I find a way? Like, we can, like, let’s say you work together. Let’s sit down, let’s talk. And, you know, on a Tuesday, you might have a snatch of a conversation. You’re about 20 minutes, like, oh, she’s really cool and she likes this stuff.

And then next week, you know, she’s at the water cooler. So you’re like, okay, let’s go and talk. And gradually, over time, something builds and you realize that you have in common. You have shared memories, shared experiences, and something blossoms.

CHRISTINA P: Yes.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Whereas when you do the app, like, okay, we’re going to meet here at this time, and whatever else. And then you sit and you have this conversation. And if you’re good at having a conversation, you know, ways to make it work and whatever else, and then it, but it’s very superficial. It’s like a tree with no roots.

Whereas if you meet someone organically and it blossoms over time, it has roots. Which means that when there’s challenges that come, there’s things that hold it in place, which an instant app or whatever, it simply doesn’t.

CHRISTINA P: That’s true. And you’re less likely to blow that person off. Because I hear it’s really common to just kind of forget somebody that you’ve started an interaction with. And then you’re like, oh, whatever. So rude.

FRANCIS FOSTER: It is.

CHRISTINA P: It wouldn’t happen in real life IRL if you were, but, yeah, you saw that every day and you’re like, what’s up, Penny? Where have you been?

FRANCIS FOSTER: Exactly. Because there’s consequences to your actions. And because when we see someone online, we kind of, they’re an avatar. They’re not a real person, they’re just.

CHRISTINA P: Like a little, so scary.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Dude, I’m glad I got married at 20.

CHRISTINA P: Oh, you did?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Oh, yeah.

CHRISTINA P: She good?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Russian woman, Ukrainian.

CHRISTINA P: Even better. Even better. Strong, good.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah, yeah, it’s the best.

Ancient European Wisdom

CHRISTINA P: It’s the best. See, because my Hungarian mother, she told me this stuff that the woman has to get, you have to find this early because nature comes in cycles. Nature comes. You have to do things in the time. And that wisdom, this ancient European wisdom is not being handed down.

Or maybe women aren’t telling their daughters, like, no, no, dude, the guy doesn’t want the girl who every guy in the village has taken a ride.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: That’s slut shaming.

CHRISTINA P: I went, no. And I’ve got friends that are sluts and I shame them right to their faces.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Well, see, you say the mothers are not telling the daughters. I don’t know, is it that or is it that?

CHRISTINA P: I don’t know.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: A, the daughter may be not listening.

CHRISTINA P: A. Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: And B, the daughter is going to school.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Where she’s being told, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You need to do this.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: This is what part of your.

CHRISTINA P: Right.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: This is what everyone’s doing.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Right. And then you’ve got cultural influence and then you go, TikTok.

CHRISTINA P: I know.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: So you put all that together and like, because see, and, and then the other weird thing is this has become political. Like what you’re saying, what we are talking about is like right wing, right? And I’m like, what?

CHRISTINA P: How did that happen?

KONSTANTIN KISIN: What? Like getting married and having kids while it’s like, so that you have the rest of your life together and you, is that, that’s political? Don’t make sense.

CHRISTINA P: I know. Somehow it got switched because I always considered myself a 90s liberal and then now that’s considered conservative.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Right.

CHRISTINA P: I don’t know what happened. I’m still a 90s liberal in my head, man. Like, I don’t know what the label means. I can’t. I don’t know what the f* the label means, but I think that, yeah, we got to shame these whores.

Aliens and Conspiracies

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I think that’s a great place to end. In fact, I think that should be the title of the episode. “Yeah, we got to shame these whores.” All right, well, we are going to ask you questions from our supporters. I’m sure they’re even more ridiculous than the ones we’ve submitted. So that will be on the triggerpod.co.uk on Substack before we do, though.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Question, we always end with, yeah, what’s the one thing we’re not talking about that we should be. And you know, we’ve covered.

FRANCIS FOSTER: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: The aliens. Aliens, not the illegals.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Right.

CHRISTINA P: I’m telling you, man. I don’t know if you’ve heard about David Grusch.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yes.

CHRISTINA P: Going in front of Congress testifying that UAPs are real, they’re interdimensional beings, and what have you. Now, what is going on with this? What is this game? Is this a theater that the government is having? Is it actual disclosure where they’re really telling us that there are UAPs, that there are aliens, but then they want plausible deniability, so then they have a guy like David Grusch go on there and go like, “there’s all these backdoor programs. We never knew about it or whatever. The government doesn’t know about it.”

What the f* is this? Do you guys even know what I’m talking about? Because I know it’s, like, not.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: No, I know you Americans love, love. Do you know, like, I don’t know if this is true. Someone fact check me, but I think, like, 80% of alien sightings are in North America.

CHRISTINA P: Oh, yes.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: And I don’t think that’s because the aliens love America that much.

CHRISTINA P: What do you think it is? The drugs. Our drugs are better.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: I don’t, we love this country and we love Americans, but let’s be honest, right? You are the descendants of all the crazy people that left Europe. Right. And you went over here and you created an amazing country out of thin air. We’ll skip over the Native American.

CHRISTINA P: Yeah, yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Right. And your whole thing is like, anything is possible. So you’re like, anything’s possible. What if there’s aliens? What if there’s this? Americans love conspiracies in the way that no one else does.

CHRISTINA P: We do because we know them to be true.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Yeah.

CHRISTINA P: Watergate. We have a distrust in our own system.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: Right.

CHRISTINA P: Because they’ve proven us. They’ve proven to us that they’re bags. Yeah.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: So that’s why I find intriguing aliens. All right, head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where we continue the conversation. How significant was the comedian outlook on life in dealing with cancer there.

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