Tucker Carlson Show: w/ Ex-Freemason Sean Stone on Possessed Politicians (Transcript)

They’re kind of a vestige of the past. This is how I think of them. Bunch of elderly guys with ceremonial swords.

SEAN STONE: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: I have one. Tell stories.

SEAN STONE: I have one.

TUCKER CARLSON: You have one. I have one right over there from that lodge. You don’t think of them as a threat or even a meaningful player in current events. But then I should say I don’t know much about it. Yeah. I don’t— so, not really at all. You joined the Masons. Why did you do that, and what was it like?

A Journey of Initiation: Joining the Masons

SEAN STONE: So it was a journey of initiation, I think, that I was going through in that time, right out of college, because my college years, I started getting deep into studying history. And even in— Procopius was writing the history of Justinian, right? The Roman Emperor, Byzantine Emperor. And he described him as a shape-shifting demon, basically, in that book, in the Secret History. And that was buried for a long time.

And again, there’s all types of histories that King James was— was it James’s Bible? But he also wrote a demonology book, right? I mean, this was the way that the world was perceived and understood for centuries, as we know, as a battleground between dark and light. As forces that were unseen. I mean, Socrates talked about his daemon, like his personal— what you’d call genius. But they say like in the old world there’s a theory that when Homer is writing about the Iliad and all these different gods having a play in human life, a lot of people believe that we were in communication more readily with beings, right, unseen beings, and it may have been a real factor in our consciousness back then.

And then obviously we get to this place of the Enlightenment when all that becomes relegated and we say, “Oh, that’s all hocus pocus and not real, we can only focus on the physical realm.” But you can’t understand how life begins through the physical realm alone. You can’t understand how the universe is formed. No, right? I mean, how does a Big Bang start? You know, it just happens.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, spontaneous.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, time travel. I mean, how does it happen? How does it actually begin exactly? From what? And how does life begin? So I think a lot of the materialists, actually— people say Darwin and whatnot— are essentially serving the dark side. Because they’re saying there’s nothing outside the material realm. This is all that exists, and everything— well, actually, all we’re interfacing with is our own minds. Our own perceptions.

And so when they want us to believe a very simplified version of reality— spontaneous evolution, random evolution, random changes, right? Take away anything spiritual. I think that serves the dark side in a sense, because it elevates our own egos. It makes us, you know, we’re the progenitors of this, and we are the greatest thing in the universe. And we can get into that later, but that then serves a transhuman agenda that it’s all about perfecting ourselves through the physical plane of genetics, right? Genetic tampering and whatnot. And you try to basically take the spiritual origin impulse of God creating this universe out of the story, right? That’s what the Enlightenment did in many ways.

But you can’t take it out because we instinctively, as souls that we are in human form, we have this curiosity and this desire to know, “Okay, where did I come from? Like, my soul didn’t just spontaneously appear. How do I have consciousness? Where does consciousness originate from? Just from our brains?”

Well, I think we’re understanding that our brains are more receivers, almost like computers that can receive the internet that’s around us, right? That’s the way that we function, more in that way. And that’s why people have near-death experiences or they have out-of-body experiences. And this is, you know, the CIA does this kind of stuff, astral projection, and they can see things outside of their physical body that you can’t say, “Well, your brain knew it.” You have all kinds of cases and stories of this, people who are literally on a hospital bed and they can perceive things in the next room. So consciousness transcends our brain, right?

And that indicates, again, a spiritual reality that a lot of mainstream science wants us to ignore. But I was looking at history and saying, no, we’ve always had this impulse to see a spiritual reality, or what Plato calls the ideational realm, the world of ideals, before we get to the material realm. So let’s not try to ignore that.

Greystone: Haunted New Jersey and Dark Energy

SEAN STONE: So I would study these things, and I ended up going into— well, I met this guy who was himself a Mason, and he was a Jersey kid who was like my age. And he had been exploring these haunted places. New Jersey is notorious for being haunted. They have a whole magazine called Haunted NJ, right? And not just Jersey, but the East Coast, especially New Jersey. They’ve got some history there. I don’t know what it is.

And so he was exploring these places like Greystone, which was a massive mental hospital. Woody Guthrie was there, for example, and you saw it in the recent Bob Dylan movie. He goes and visits Guthrie at the Greystone Mental Hospital. This place was around for 100 years, it was one of the biggest mental hospitals in the country. It was the biggest foundation when they built it until they built the Pentagon after. So it was a massive— like, we went to this place at night, and even though it was shut down, it was still— the lights were still on. And it’s about 5 or 6 stories tall, and underground there’s tunnels and passages that go on for miles around.

So we would go explore this place at night and let’s just say that high strangeness ensued because it starts— an abandoned mental hospital in New Jersey. Yeah. It’s an abandoned mental hospital in Jersey. And so from the first time that we went there and then went back, each time different things would reveal themselves to me in a way that I made a film about it. Greystone Park, to kind of symbolize the way that fear operates to me.

I believe that our frequency attracts forces. And so when you go into a place like that where thousands of people have died— they had like a mass grave basically of thousands of people that had died there over the course of 100 years. And there’d been a lot of abuse. And I think also people go into this place, or you would go into that place, who are themselves— we call mentally ill, but a lot of them I think were demon possessed.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

SEAN STONE: And so imagine it’s now becoming a place of very dark energy.

TUCKER CARLSON: Hard to imagine anything darker than that, right?

Energy, Possession, and the Battle Between Dark and Light

SEAN STONE: Yeah. And so what we saw was indications, paraphernalia, books, things like this left behind of Satanic rituals. Like people would go there and perform rituals to draw upon that energy. And why would someone do that? Well, so this gets into the nature of our— of this realm, right?

If we understand the material realm is what we see and what we interact with, what we think we’re interacting with. But as we know, at heart, it’s all energy. Like, this table is moving particles, right? Our being is— we’re moving particles, moving atoms. We’re energetic bodies that appear to be fixed, but actually, as we know, we’re changing every second, every day. Our cells are dying and being reborn, our energy body is moving.

And so the spiritual traditions have always understood that because they didn’t call it necessarily energy, but prana and life force, breath, right? Like, that’s the origin of creation — something in spirit is moving through us into this container, this vessel that appears fixed. But again, as we know, it’s changing. That’s why we don’t look the same every day, even if it’s just slight differences. And you can kind of see it sometimes, right? Like, you can see when someone’s energetically drained. You can see when someone’s energy is high and they’re vibrant instantly. So this is the energetic nature of reality.

So if we are talking about a world that also is energetic and alive, and then you have geometry — certain structures trap energy more than others, right? I mean, if you’re outdoors, we can just experience it, right? You’re out in nature, you’re in a forest. The trees are going to have certain energy. They are living beings, right? So they’ll live their life and die. And that’s why some forests are called haunted forests, or darker places. And sometimes you’ll have historically — yeah, you’ll have places where there’ll be gatherings of people to practice, since the pagan times, let’s say, right, to practice different rituals. And sometimes you’ll feel the energy of that, like, “Oh, this is a place where there’s a gathering that takes place and a certain energy gets created there.”

Same way as a building. I mean, that’s what a haunted house is, right? Like, if you’re in a house and someone gets murdered, it’s going to have a heavier energy, right? Because unless you come and bless it and really do the work to move the energy through, to let it pass, right? To let the souls go.

Haunted Places and Demonic Possession

And I had that experience with one of the haunted places I went to. It was a place that was notorious. It was next to a mental hospital where kids were housed. This was upstate New York. This was different from Greystone. And in that house next to the mental hospital for kids, the legend has it that a priest was molesting these kids at that property and actually killing some of the kids and doing black magic. And in that house, I saw people get possessed. And we heard the sounds of hell — I mean, it’s hard to imagine, but this is what we experienced. We’d be upstairs and all of a sudden we’d hear howling of dogs and laughter, like demonic laughter, and things like this echoing through the house.

And so we went back multiple times and we blessed the house, and the final time really felt a purging of energy, and the house burned down on its own within about a month or two. So that’s the kind of thing we talk about — the energy that gets trapped in places until you come with a higher frequency of blessing a place and clearing the energy.

So again, we’re talking of a battle of dark and light. Those forces that draw upon dark energy, because they can then invoke darker spirits, that hooks into that. If everything is, let’s say, like frequency — fear, things that are horrific — horror films play into the psychology, right? It’s like Freddy Krueger, right? He preys upon — he’s a dream demon, right? He infects people with fear. And we think about how demons are — they’re scary, right? They’re monstrous. They’re shadows. They’re things that create fear in us. And then it seems to be like a frequency match, almost.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you think that’s one of the reasons that Jesus so often tells his disciples not to be afraid?

Fear, Frequency, and the Nature of Possession

SEAN STONE: Yes, that’s exactly right. So remember when Jesus casts out the demons, he sends them into the swine, right? He’s like, “Get out,” and they go and kill themselves. Because a lot of the demonic — I mean, again, there’s different frequency of demonic energy. There’s madness. A lot of psychosis we have experiencing in this country, I think, connects to it. A lot of it ties into alcohol and drugs. That’s lowering people’s frequency. It’s one thing to have a glass or two, but a lot of alcohol — what does it do? It takes us out of our right mind.

In my experience of seeing people get possessed, it’s pretty much like seeing someone when they’re blackout drunk. We’ve all seen it. Someone’s coked up or out of their mind with alcohol and they behave erratically, irrationally. They get aggressive, they get mean, or they start laughing hysterically. And then the next day they may not remember anything. It’s exactly what possession is, because when you see someone get possessed, it’s like a flip of a switch, and they go from someone you can look in the eyes and see who they are, to just checked out. I’ve seen people screaming, I’ve seen people laughing maniacally, I’ve seen people just stare blankly. But you know it. You just know that this person’s not in their right mind.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

SEAN STONE: And the key is to try to bring the light back, breathe, bring the good energy back, raise the frequency so they can come back to themselves. So what I would say this battle is between the darkness that feeds on that fear, that lower vibrational psyche of not being in our right mind, not being in our higher selves, right? Not being connected to our spirit, our higher — to God basically, right? Spirit that is always available. But the dark side wants to lower that frequency to a place that would be closer to hell, right? What it’s always been described as — hell. A place of torture, of suffering, pain.

TUCKER CARLSON: Place of the dead.

COVID, Control, and Collective Possession

SEAN STONE: Yeah. Well, even worse than death, right? Death is one thing. Go below that, and it’s like that’s the level of self-destruction. Like you said with the pigs — self-destructiveness. So this is the battle. And again, if the dark side has waged war on mankind, let’s say, right? If we believe — and this is not just Christian tradition. I mean, a lot of stories around the world have talked about this, that there’s something that’s waging war on mankind. They want possession of the soul. They want us to check out, to surrender, right? To check out, say, “Hand over control of the vehicle.” And that seems to be the real battle, right? Are we autonomous beings? Do we have control of our vehicles?

I mean, we all experienced this during COVID. All this seems so far out, but during COVID we actively saw people checked out from fear — like dead things, putting on masks so they can’t even really breathe. In a court of law, you can’t speak if you’ve got a mask on, right? So you don’t have any say. So when you put a mask on, you’re basically taking away your power to speak and to breathe. You’re like a dead thing now.

And then beyond that, we saw the hysteria that came with it. All that fear around — “You’re infected, you might be infected, this person could be infected, you didn’t get your shot, you better stay away, you can’t come to the family gathering, you can’t come into my establishment.” And if you’re in California — I left the state because it was like, I can get a fake vaccine card, but I don’t want to engage with people that are mandating this, right? What kind of hysteria? What kind of madness is this, right?

So we’ve all experienced that kind of possession. Some people personally experienced it and then said, “Wait a minute, I was in fear and I’ve woken up.” And others just saw it and said, “It’s like everyone’s possessed all of a sudden by this fear.”

Masonry and Initiatory Paths

TUCKER CARLSON: So the Masons practice a religion? How would you describe what Masonry is?

SEAN STONE: Well, Masonry is based in the Old Testament. A lot of the Masons I know are Christian. But I look at it as an initiatory path, so I don’t look at it as Masons are evil. What I experienced was — okay, so I’ll put it like this. The first night that I went there — where was this? The Cornerstone Lodge in New York, which is a very famous lodge. People like Jay-Z, you know, go there and whatnot.

TUCKER CARLSON: Jay-Z’s a Mason?

The Masonic Lodge Experience and Supernatural Encounters

SEAN STONE: Yeah, from my understanding, he was with that lodge as well, but higher than I was. But the point is that it’s an initiation that kind of — what I felt was being observed and watched. And I know it was watched because after doing the first degree initiation where you get the blindfold and the noose — and all this stuff is online, I’m not revealing some secrets — all the phrases and things, the geometry of it, where you have to walk certain directions and points and say certain things. All that’s online now, it’s public.

But when you perform it ritualistically like a play, there are other forces that are not human that are engaging in the experience. And I know that because when I was leaving the lodge that night with my friend, we got a phone call and it was an unknown number and this sort of husky voice was on the phone and he was like, “How was the meeting?” And I was like, “It’s interesting game you guys have going here.” And it’s like, “Mm-hmm.”

And we were just talking a bit, saying a lot of things that were like biblical — 40 days in the cave, 40 — some stuff that I didn’t understand, but I knew that they were watching me because I was walking back to my apartment in New York. And I’m like, “Oh, so you’re watching me?” He’s like, “Yeah.” I’m like, “Okay, what am I doing?” He’s like, “You’re walking.” So I stopped walking and I’m like, “Oh yeah.” He’s like, “Yeah, you stopped walking.” And I was like, okay, it could be a guess, but let’s just continue the conversation, go upstairs.

And I had like a gray shirt on and black pants. And after, I started recording the conversation — the audio did not record subsequently, only the video recorded. But as I was recording this, it basically was — it was this man’s voice, and then it would be a woman that would take over. So it was like two voices. It was one as a man, one as a woman. And then she basically said, “Stop recording.” And I didn’t stop. I would maybe stop for a minute, then I’d turn it back on.

And I had — at that time I had a cross on. Sorry, it was not a cross. It was an Islamic sword that I had as a necklace. And so I was taking my shirt off and she’s like, “Put your shirt back on.” And I was like, “Oh, you don’t like this symbol or what’s wrong?” And it was like, “Put your shirt back on.” And we just continued to talk. But there were a few things that I remember distinctly, including her saying, “I’ll leave you with this. You’re wearing a gray shirt with black pants.” So something had been observing me that night.

And they continued to talk with me. They texted me thereafter, and it went on for an hour or so, like off and on. My friend who took me there got really sick to his stomach. He was like vomiting, actually, after that, during that same time that I was on the phone. And he really was like physically out of it. And so I was conversing with these things for like an hour, and again, a lot of it was about the fallen angels because this goes back to again the jinn, the unseen world.

The Book of Enoch, the Nephilim, and Fallen Angels

SEAN STONE: The idea that — remember, the Book of Enoch talks about this — that the fall basically is not just Lucifer’s. It’s like Lucifer and the — what was it, the 300 or 3,000? 300, I think, that fell. But a lot of it had to do with the origin of how the angels fell in love with human women, right? That’s the story of Enoch — that yes, they fell in love with human women, they had children, the Nephilim, the fallen ones. And this whole bloodline war basically of fallen angels having children with human women and becoming like the great leaders of old — the men of renown, the leaders of the military and the emperors or kings of the time, royal bloodlines. So all this came up that night.

TUCKER CARLSON: What’s interesting is if you bring up that story from Enoch — and it’s alluded to in Genesis 6 as well — people look at you like, “That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. Where does that come from? Is that like a David Icke concept or something?” But then if you just assess it non-emotionally, pretty much every religion tells that story, including Christianity. Jesus is the product of spirit and a human woman — God and Mary. So the Greek myths are the same.

SEAN STONE: Alexander was — his mother said that Zeus came to her.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly. I mean, that’s not proof, but it’s certainly an indication this is not like a crazy new theory that David Icke thought up.

SEAN STONE: Not at all. And that’s why I was saying the basis of every religion. But that’s why people get so — they want you to think about Icke as like he’s the crazy guy. That’s why I studied history, because I wanted to say, no, Icke is just picking up on old traditions and he’s just listening to people that are telling him stories, which I think —

TUCKER CARLSON: You can hear that story in any church in the United States every Sunday. So it’s not conceptually a departure from what people have thought for thousands of years — that there is the physical reality of actors from the spiritual realm impregnating human women, right?

SEAN STONE: Right. And going again, even the Anunnaki texts of the Sumerians, which predates the Old Testament, talking about exactly this thing about the Anunnaki sky gods creating the first humans as their workers. And again, the flood story, the flood mythology comes from that, right?

TUCKER CARLSON: God was so displeased by the behavior of the Nephilim that he destroyed the world, right? And their behavior that he specifically called out was violence, right?

SEAN STONE: Right. And eating of — actually eating of humans, the Nephilim did, remember?

TUCKER CARLSON: Really?

SEAN STONE: Oh yeah, the giants ate the humans. Do you remember?

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s in the Book of Enoch.

SEAN STONE: It’s in one of them. I mean, I thought it was in the Bible, but it’s definitely in Enoch then, because that was the issue — that the giants were eating people.

Adrenochrome, Demon Lore, and the Ancient World

SEAN STONE: And this, you know, then takes us to the very present day of — when demon — the lore around demons drinking human blood, or demon-possessed humans drinking human blood, Dracula mythology, right? I mean, yes, this is all drawn upon the old world. But when Hunter S. Thompson talks about adrenochrome and people say, “Oh, he made that up,” I go, yeah, except I talked to a military intelligence guy who goes, “Adrenochrome is real because it comes across our messaging boards all the time. Adrenochrome is being trafficked into the country.”

TUCKER CARLSON: So adrenochrome is a compound from the human adrenal gland. Is that correct?

SEAN STONE: Yeah. My understanding is it’s like an adrenaline. Basically, it’s adrenaline that gets secreted from — obviously adrenaline from anxiety, from stress, fear. And it’s something specifically that is being used as a drug, or is it demonic food? I don’t know. I mean, again, it’s not something that I’ve personally experienced, but we’re connecting the ancient world to the modern world, and it seems to be, if it’s one long thread, we can’t just ignore that.

Media, Propaganda, and Cultural Conditioning

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s very interesting to me that some of the main themes throughout human history — blood being the life force, the spirit, the magic in the blood, genetics, bloodline — these were full-blown preoccupations for every civilization before 1945, and they’ve just been eliminated from public conversation by media.

SEAN STONE: But media is the greatest magician of all, right? It’s so interesting that you mentioned ’45. Obviously, that’s the end of the Second World War, right? British broadcasting was originally part of British intelligence. Like, it was always — they understood that propaganda was key. I mean, that was right from the First World War effort, bringing us into the First World War, getting us involved. And then obviously the Second World War, the same. There was a huge amount of propaganda that was put out for it.

But then we adopted those same techniques post-’45, I would say, with the various radio projects — whether it was, you know, from radio to television, right? The same concept. A lot of the guys, as you know, that were like intelligence OSS officers or part of the OSS, then became like executives and whatnot for the original TV channels, which at the time was like, what, like 4? You know, it was like ABC, CBS, PBS. And so it was very important to send out messaging.

And then likewise with radio, it was the same thing. First radio was used for information before television, but then radio became the music. And so it became like Top 40. What was it, the Top 40 project? Essentially it was like, let’s figure out how to basically condition people using music. And it’s no longer going to be symphonic, right? Like long symphonic pieces of music. It’s going to be short, 3 minutes or less of something that can hook people in — cultural propaganda, culturally propagandize over and over, hypnotize people essentially. I mean, that’s what music does.

Think about when we engage with — so interesting engaging with young people now and seeing how much — when I was a kid, hip-hop was kind of coming on in the ’90s. But nowadays it’s like all those lyrics — a lot of the more debasing lyrics. Let’s say, how do you end up with an OnlyFans culture? Well, it starts with the lyrics that are put out through hip-hop music that’s propagated to every young kid across the country. And then that becomes part of the cultural conditioning, languaging, all these things.

So I think music is one of the most important magical tools that — no doubt — is used to obviously influence culture. And then obviously not just music and film, and nowadays with streaming, it’s putting people into hypnotic states for hours on end, right? When you stream things into the consciousness.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, or social media are hypnotic. I’ve noticed, and very addictive.

SEAN STONE: TikTok especially. I mean, people literally just fall asleep to it. It’s just scrolling and streaming.

The Suppression of Supernatural and Genetic Themes

TUCKER CARLSON: So part of the point of the propaganda effort is not just to highlight lies, but to prevent people from considering things in full context or seeing the whole picture — always eliminating certain important themes from the public conversation. And certainly anything supernatural would fall into that. Blood and genetics would also be part of that. But the people who run the world never stopped paying attention to the supernatural, to blood and genetics, did they?

SEAN STONE: No, I don’t think so. I mean, from my experience — and again, I have a limited experience of it — but you talk to some of these families and, first of all, in the UK, you feel it, especially in England, the aristocratic culture, the mindset. To this day, they still have a king, you know.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

Boarding School Culture and Aristocratic Bloodlines

SEAN STONE: They still have the aristocracy and the bloodlines, families and whatnot, in their traditions. And you think about some of these families that talk about how they can trace their ancestry back to the Roman Empire or even before sometimes. But again, it’s just whether or not you’re aware of it. I think some families more so than others.

The families that are more aware of it, I think, have a certain conditioning process that some people talk about when it comes to the pedophilia. I think that’s more normalized. It’s kind of part of the boarding school culture. That was my sense of it when I was at Oxford for two terms. Hanging out with some people, some families that are more known than others, and they would tell me the boarding school culture was very, you could say, homosexual. And that kind of dates back to, in terms of the ideology, to Rome and Greece. The idea of passing on wisdom from the older male to the younger male. And yeah, so it becomes acceptable.

And then you do hear these things about a lot of these families that are like practicing pedophilia with their own kids, and they look at it almost like a training process, because it dissociates. Traumatic abuse of a young person dissociates them, makes them able to— then you could argue, like the monarch butterfly, that’s a symbol. The monarch is often described as a symbol of the childhood programming. So basically, when you are traumatized so young, you dissociate, you now have greater ability to act without moral compunction, without even knowing your own limits, your own self. You basically have broken all those barriers.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, you do have to ask questions about a system that sends its sons to boarding school at 7 or 8 years old.

SEAN STONE: Mm-hmm. Or even younger sometimes.

TUCKER CARLSON: Or even younger. Yeah, my grandfather went at that kind of age. And it wasn’t good for him. I don’t know why you would do that, but it has something to do with breaking down normal qualities in a young man. I’m not saying it’s a pederasty thing, but it does have to do with—

SEAN STONE: Yeah, abuse has many forms.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s right.

SEAN STONE: There’s the physical, there’s the verbal. The sexual is just usually the one that no one wants to talk about. But obviously occurs.

Freemasonry and Demonic Phone Calls

TUCKER CARLSON: So, okay, so you— how long were you a Mason?

SEAN STONE: It’s not like you ever establish like, “I’m going to meetings.” No, I wanted to initiate to 3 degrees. I entered, and in between— okay, so this is why I know this gets far out, but in between—

TUCKER CARLSON: We’re already pretty far out—

SEAN STONE: The initiation, the first degree and the third degree, from in that time period, I would get phone calls from 666 numbers all the time. 666, 6666, “We want your soul.” Like just demonic voices. “We want— I want your soul.” That kind of nonsense.

TUCKER CARLSON: So Satan called your cell?

SEAN STONE: I don’t know if it was Satan or the CIA, but someone with a 666 number that sounded satanic called my cell and would be like, “We want your soul.” And I would just laugh and be like, “Okay, it’s not mine to give. My soul belongs to God. So I don’t know what you’re talking about. I can’t help you, basically.”

TUCKER CARLSON: I think I’m jumpier than you, because if I was in between degrees in the Masons and Satan started calling me, I would drop out.

The Checkerboard: Light and Dark

SEAN STONE: Well, it’s not about dropping out or not, it’s about initiating an understanding of the world. And that’s why I believe the checkerboard is very real. The way that it’s designed is the checkerboard on the floor — it’s black and white. Not all Satanists are evil. I do believe that there’s the path of light and there’s a path of dark. They want to assess who you are. And as I say “they,” I mean a higher realm wants to know what you are.

So I believe that people that join and choose the darker side — I think I’ve seen it — they’re basically willing to do anything. They’re willing to drink the blood, they’re willing to make the oath essentially to the dark because they just want power. And if they know that your soul isn’t wired that way, you don’t end up on the satanic path. So a lot of these were just kind of tests. I felt like they were just kind of tests.

I got a call from Azazel one time. Azazel is the angel of death, right? Azazel calls, and then like a day or two later, my grandmother passed away. When my grandmother—

TUCKER CARLSON: The angel of death called your cell?

SEAN STONE: Yeah, well, it basically identified itself as Azazel.

TUCKER CARLSON: And what did you say?

SEAN STONE: I just— I knew what Azazel was, so I knew a spirit of death was around. And then my grandmother passed, I think within 1 or 2 days of that call. So I was like, “Wow, okay.”

TUCKER CARLSON: What did the angel of death say on the phone?

SEAN STONE: It wasn’t— I don’t remember specifically an announcement of something. It was just more that in that time period, I was getting so many calls from these things wanting my soul. And sometimes it was witches cackling, like, “Come play with us, come join us.” One time — and it’s funny, I played this on Alex Jones’ show back in 2012 — it was a call from, again, 666, and they were doing Baal worship. They were calling on Baal, and it sounded like they were doing a ritual. These demonic voices were like, “Baal, la la,” doing a ritual on the phone call. So it was almost like they were trying to engage my energy for what they were doing.

That goes back to the question around the dark side wanting more energy because it’s disconnected from God. Well, is it disconnected? Let’s just say they’re more disconnected. I don’t think anything is disconnected from God. My perception is it’s all God’s universe. So I don’t think the dark — I think the dark still ultimately serves the Creator’s intention. You can’t divorce yourself from the universe. But let’s just say their frequency is lower, so they’re drawing upon higher vibrational energy to try to draw us down. That’s the battle, right? How many of those of the light can we bring to the dark? How many can we sink to our level?

They stopped after 2012, after my last degree of initiation. After 2012, I never got calls again. So I just felt like it was this kind of testing phase, and it’s like, “Okay, you don’t belong to us.” Who knows, maybe they’ve taken new forms. Life is obviously full of challenges, so I think the dark can manifest in different ways. But for me, it was a very overt confrontation with something that people would think is a fairy tale until you’ve lived it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you think other people at the lodge, the Cornerstone Lodge in New York, were having similar experiences?

SEAN STONE: Well, I know the person I went with did, but some of the other guys I knew, I don’t think anything changed in their life. We all have different paths. My path was frankly initiatory. I wanted to explore these things. I went all the way to Iran just to talk to guys that were talking to jinns and trying to understand how the world is working.

TUCKER CARLSON: What drove you?

SEAN STONE: Just—

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, you grew up in a materialistic society in Southern California where the possibility of this stuff was not discussed, I would think.

Facing the Demon: Lessons from Tibet and Buddhism

SEAN STONE: Well, my dad took me to India and Tibet when I was 10. We went to the Himalayas and visited Tibetan monasteries. The Potala Palace. And they depict demons and stuff very overtly in the iconography. If you look at the artwork of Tibet, Nepal, the Buddhist cultures, and even Hindus — they understand that there’s demons and angels. Well, they wouldn’t call it angels, I guess, but demigods. More angelic, more divine, powerful beings, and then you see the dark faces of the demonic realm.

They look at everything as different temptation. You have to get comfortable, you have to face the demon. If you hide it, it gets scarier, just like in a horror film. It’s always scarier when you don’t know where the monster is. Once you can face the monster, you take away its power. Going back to the dream demon, the Freddy Krueger — I take my power back. I’m not afraid of you anymore. That’s the only way to defeat the monster.

TUCKER CARLSON: I believe that.

SEAN STONE: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Fear and hate also feed the demons.

SEAN STONE: Yeah. Well, my dad made a whole film, Natural Born Killers, kind of about this thing. It’s pretty interesting. If you watch Natural Born Killers as two demon-possessed people — which is really what they are, the main characters — Mickey has been physically abused by his father who kills himself. The Juliette Lewis character has been sexually abused by her father. And it’s like all this chaotic American media glorification of these two serial killers, but they’re going through their journey of hell, basically a hellscape, until they find that love. Love kills the demon, right? That’s their salvation — through love. But if you watch the movie, it’s just like two demon-possessed people. It’s pretty interesting.

Government, Media, and the Feeding of Dark Forces

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, so if we think that hate and fear feed dark forces, spiritual forces — unconscious hate — I think there’s healthy—

SEAN STONE: There’s healthy— we hate certain things that we find intolerable, right? But if we hate the person, we demonize a person. That’s feeding the demons.

TUCKER CARLSON: Wanting to hurt other people, having malice toward others.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, exactly.

TUCKER CARLSON: And then fear, being terrorized. If those are both spiritual foods for demons, how should we understand our government’s concerted effort over many years to make us terrified and hateful?

SEAN STONE: Not just the government — media with it, right? Media and government working hand in hand.

TUCKER CARLSON: Those kind of are the messages, really. There’s someone you need to be afraid of and there’s someone you should hate. You’re required to hate.

Red Lodge, Blue Lodge: Two Wings of the Same Bird

SEAN STONE: Well, think about the nature of the Masonic lodges. There’s the Red Lodge and the Blue Lodge.

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t know anything about that.

SEAN STONE: So there’s the Blue Lodge, which is more like the French ancestry. The Scottish Rite is the Red Lodge. And so think about the Bloods and Crips, the Democrats and the Republicans as red and blue.

TUCKER CARLSON: Also the Bloods and the Crips, red and blue.

SEAN STONE: And the Bloods and the Crips. So this whole idea — people articulate it as two wings of the same bird ultimately. Both are there to govern your mentality. “Government” — govern your mind, right? Do we want more laissez-faire? Well, the Republicans are supposed to be more libertarian, more constitutional, but they tend to just end up spending as much.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh yeah.

America’s Capture by the Federal Reserve and the British Empire

SEAN STONE: As the blue team, both obviously are just dependent on the same Federal Reserve System. So you could say we’ve been captured by the Fed, by this debt slavery, this debt slave Federal Reserve System since 1913, which is again, right around the time that, as we know, the income tax came in, which is totally unconstitutional.

And then also the First World War begins and the British bring us into their empire more formally, because before that we were not supposed to be part of the European game. We focused on the Monroe Doctrine, which was about focusing on our hemisphere, bringing our republic as a model for this region and protecting this region from the imperialists of Europe, be it French or British.

Remember, during the Civil War, Mexico had a coup by the French and the British Empire actually couped the Mexican government right around the same time. They were trying to install their puppet there.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

SEAN STONE: Yeah. Didn’t work out. But Mexico then, again, there’s all kinds of puppeteering that goes on, as we know, through the different forces financially.

So that’s really, I think, the key — America wanting to be a republic independent of the European empires. With the First World War, Wilson made a huge decision, which I think was a huge blunder, committing us to that war. We should have been an arbiter. We should have said we’re not in favor of either empire. We’re going to just arbitrate a peace deal and should have stayed neutral.

But we didn’t. We committed ourselves to the British Empire, and as a result of that, with the Versailles Treaty, which hurt so many people, the Second World War followed. And obviously again, you can get into the whole history of the financiers behind Hitler and his rise to power. It was like, we’re going to play Germany against the Soviets, who also got financial support from us. So it became a financier’s game.

And that’s why I say the power behind the scenes really, to me, is the financial empire. The Rothschilds are obviously a part of that. I don’t think they are the be-all end-all of it, but they’re a very important force financially. The City of London is a very important force, and the Federal Reserve System, which is spawned from that central banking system of England.

So when we talk about who the American federal government is serving, it’s been serving the expansion of a debt slavery monetary system. Because we’re borrowing money every time they’re printing money, but they don’t own it. It’s not constitutional money. In the Constitution, gold and silver is constitutional money. Everything else is paper money notes or promissory notes. That’s why it’s a Federal Reserve note. When you see a dollar bill, it says Federal Reserve note. It’s a promissory note. Promise to pay. So it’s all debt, and we’re just racking up, as we know, whatever, $38, $40 trillion. I don’t know.

TUCKER CARLSON: Some unpayable amount.

SEAN STONE: Exactly. It’s not going to be — we have to reconfigure this.

Can Nations Make Deals with Supernatural Forces?

TUCKER CARLSON: But it raises a question. So if individuals can make a deal with supernatural forces to serve them in exchange for temporal power, for success in this life, money and authority — and that’s clearly true — can nations do the same?

SEAN STONE: I think so. I think it’s a kind of — well, yeah, it’s like the power of belief as a nation. We can go back to John Dee, for example, Enochian magic.

TUCKER CARLSON: Who is John Dee?

SEAN STONE: So John Dee was basically like the head of intelligence for Queen Elizabeth I, right, at the beginning of the British Empire. Yeah, sorry, go back in time to the 1580s.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, exactly, the 1580s. And Dee is the original 007. That’s how he signed his signature. So Bond is actually inspired from John Dee. And he was into magic. He was basically working what they call Enochian magic, because again, derived probably from the Book of Enoch. But he was communing with these beings, Watchers, what he considered angels. And he had these incantations.

TUCKER CARLSON: And he was summoning spirits.

SEAN STONE: He was working with spirits. And the theory is — and basically the Shakespearean Tempest play is inspired from John Dee, as the wizard in the story is basically John Dee — that he essentially made the deal for the British Empire to become the most powerful empire in the world.

And it begins with the sinking of the Spanish Armada, which, as everyone knows, it was a massive storm, a tempest, that basically helped to sink their plans and their fleet. And the theory is that he basically made the deal for the British Empire, but the deal requires a certain level of blood sacrifice. And some people say that we’ve inherited the British Empire and those demons, essentially those same deals.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, I can’t—

SEAN STONE: Especially since ’45, since the end of the Second World War.

The Rise of the British Empire

TUCKER CARLSON: It is interesting if you think about it. So here you have this island nation with a pretty small population take over the entire world.

SEAN STONE: A quarter of the planet was under them.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s right. The largest empire, in some ways the most amazing empire, but certainly a vast empire. How’d they do that?

SEAN STONE: It’s more than guns, germs, and steel. The financial component is fascinating — how they were able to do it with the shipping and whatnot, insurance on shipping. They controlled the seas of the Western world all the way to India, even to China. They were able to control the seas, and then they would trade — they had certain traffic where they would take the cotton, buy the cotton cheap from slave labor in America, sell it across their empire in India, buy the tea and the opium from there, from Afghanistan, which was under India at the time, and then dump the opium on the Chinese and get the silver for that. It’s a pretty good trade. It’s a pretty good deal.

TUCKER CARLSON: But the core power, you believe, came from a deal.

Magic, Will, and the Nature of Power

SEAN STONE: What I see is that the world is both a spiritual and a material reflection of each other. What I believe is that when people understand how these workings happen, it’s like if you have an intention and you undertake a magical working that has enough belief behind it, enough energy behind it, it can manifest in physical form. And this is the nature of magic.

So to me, there are always two paths with magic. Christ says, “Thy will be done,” which is the Creator’s will. The magic of what I would say is the dark side is “my will be done.” And that’s what Aleister Crowley and other people like this — yes, Crowley said he was a reincarnation of the guy working with John Dee in the magical ceremony. So their mentality is “love is under will.” Basically, love is not the primordial power of creation for them. Individual ego will is more important than love.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s a dead end. It’s interesting because it points to something that I think all of us feel, which is that there’s something dark about success.

SEAN STONE: It can be.

TUCKER CARLSON: There’s that famous line, “Show me the fortune and I’ll show you the crime.”

SEAN STONE: Yeah. Balzac.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. Balzac is really reason enough to learn to read French. It’s just an amazingly hilarious, insightful — Père Goriot is one of the great novels. Anyway.

SEAN STONE: Balzac.

TUCKER CARLSON: “Show me the fortune, I’ll show you the crime.” So that resonates because — and this is not to attack all rich people. I mean, we’re both, I guess, by some standards, rich people, but there’s a whole other level. There’s a whole—

SEAN STONE: Right. When you’re talking about dynastic people that have made fortunes on, again, selling opium to the Chinese, or selling slaves, or selling weapons, or financing wars like the Rothschilds — that’s a level of crime. Or pimping people like Epstein types, pimping girls and boys.

TUCKER CARLSON: But that’s kind of the nature of grand success in this world, isn’t it? That’s maybe the reason that Jesus says it’s harder for a rich man to get to heaven than a camel through the eye of a needle. There’s something about it. And maybe that something is the deal that is inevitably made with satanic forces in order to get whatever that success is. Is that a crazy hypothesis?

SEAN STONE: You know how many people tell me the Mexican cartels are doing straight black magic.

TUCKER CARLSON: They are, right?

SEAN STONE: That’s a fact. And imagine — these are people that are trafficking humans, trafficking drugs, they’re killing, they’re cutting off heads, they’re killing with impunity.

Torture, the Supernatural, and the Great Awakening

TUCKER CARLSON: And not just killing but torturing. And so that to me is always a sign that there’s something religious going on. You torture others for one of two reasons — either to elicit information. You know, “I’m going to waterboard you till you tell me where the terrorists are.”

SEAN STONE: Which, unfortunately, as we know, is not necessarily accurate information.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, it’s not.

SEAN STONE: It’s not.

TUCKER CARLSON: But, like, okay, but as a motive.

SEAN STONE: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Or you’re doing it for its own sake because there’s something about human suffering that brings you power. And that’s when we touch — and pleasure, which is another — and maybe adrenochrome. And that’s when we are bumping up against the supernatural realm. Because if you’re going to kill somebody, why would you torture them first? But they always do.

SEAN STONE: But I would posit it more that — when are we not in the supernatural? I think that’s the shift in consciousness that is required. The Great Awakening that people have talked about, especially since COVID, is like, oh no, we’re having one.

TUCKER CARLSON: There’s no doubt.

SEAN STONE: We are always under the eyes — we are always living a supernatural experience. We just haven’t thought that way. We’ve been trained to think of it as a material existence.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

SEAN STONE: And the shift now is to say, no — everything we do has supernatural ramification because it’s always a choice between serving the higher self, let’s call it, and serving ego. That’s, to me, the eternal battle. Every choice we make — small decisions, big decisions — it all counts. And obviously small decisions probably won’t have the greater impact that a bigger decision will.

But if we can shift our consciousness to start realizing how I behave at every moment — is it aligned with my higher version of self or not? This is what we have to do to achieve a better world. If we want to shift into a better reality, then that falls upon us to say, am I following my heart? Am I listening to my heart? Am I listening to intuition? Am I being moral and good in this moment?

None of us are perfect, but the whole point of the Christ model is it’s a model for us. This is the way of perfection. Listen to the words. Try to imitate the Christ. And I think we would have a much healthier reality.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, and Jesus is really clear that every word you utter will be used to judge you. Like, every word matters.

SEAN STONE: Exactly. It’s all life force. It begins with thought. That’s why even the Buddhists, the ancient religions, they always write — work on your thoughts to then correct your speech, to then change your actions. So it all builds.

The New World Order and the British Empire

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s in that exact same passage where he says, the evil heart produces evil actions. No, it’s so right. So that brings us to the United States, which is the heir to the British Empire. So if the British Empire was the product of this deal that John Dee made to bring the Tempest to destroy the Spanish Armada, launch Britain into control of the West, and then that control ends in 1945 with the dropping of the atom bombs on—

SEAN STONE: Yeah, roughly speaking.

TUCKER CARLSON: So where does that put the United States government?

SEAN STONE: I mean, we’ve been subsumed by the New World Order ideology, and for a long time now. The New World Order ideology came out of the British Empire. It wasn’t a conspiracy theory. It was their own language. Because I went back when I was doing my history thesis at college, and I was reading some of the minutes of these conferences. They kept saying “New World Order.” It was their own language.

They wanted to basically continue the empire in a more informal way because they realized the empire was getting a lot of flak, right? They couldn’t sustain it militarily. They didn’t have the manpower. They wanted to bring America in clearly. They meant Cecil Rhodes, who was the great imperialist of South Africa, Rhodesia, getting the diamond mines set up and the gold mines and whatnot. And his benefactor was Lord Rothschild.

Rhodes was in his will saying, “We want to reclaim the Holy Lands and we want to bring America back basically within the empire.” So that was the agenda from the end of the 19th century — bringing America to be like the military might of the Western financial system. That takes place clearly between World War I and World War II. As you said, we then take over for the British Empire, all of its former colonies and the French colonies, including Vietnam. Why do we end up in the Vietnam War? It’s a French colony.

TUCKER CARLSON: China. Yeah.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, Indochina. Why do we take on Turkey and Greece to defend against the Soviets? That’s all the British imperial realm. The Middle East — again, the French and British carved up the Middle East. All these countries are essentially creations of the British and the French.

So we inherit the empire and basically ally with this idea of the world map, the world game. Russia had been the enemy of the British. They became our enemy. And that’s a whole complicated issue, but essentially, partly it’s dynastic families wanting the wealth of the others. And that’s perhaps why they couped the tsar, to get their fortune and get them out of power and put the Soviets in — partly as an experiment, partly as a way to keep Russia separated from the Western world, to create an enemy going forward.

Because as we know, we backed Hitler at the beginning to go against Russia. That was the whole deal — like, you’re going to fight the Russians. Kind of like we backed Iraq to fight the Iranians in the ’80s. It’s the old divide and conquer technique. So Russia had been the British enemy. We inherited that. And then we basically bought into the New World Order ideology. That’s why we kept going into this globalist mentality for decades, committing ourselves.

The Pentagon, the Pentagram, and the Power of Symbolism

TUCKER CARLSON: There’s a supernatural element too. It seems obvious. It was only in the last year after a lifetime of living next to it that I realized the Pentagon is in the shape of a pentagram.

SEAN STONE: Yes, yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why of all potential architectural designs would you put your headquarters, your military, in a pentagram?

SEAN STONE: Again, the stars that soldiers wear — as you know, the pentagram is a very common image that can be used for protection. There’s an invocation of protection through it. And then there’s also the inverted pentagram, which is oftentimes used for sacrifice. You’ll see it in films, right, where they’ll put the pentagram on the floor within a circle, and then they’ll do a ritual sacrifice within it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, it’s the central image of Satanism.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, exactly. The inverted horns — it’s inversion of the pentagram. So again, it can be used either way.

TUCKER CARLSON: Symbolism — I notice in our culture, for some reason, people are waking up. But we went through this period where, for all of history, symbols really matter. In a lot of the world they still matter. And then in the West for the last 80 years, symbols are just null and void. Your average person is not allowed to notice the symbolism in anything.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, no, we have to.

TUCKER CARLSON: Poetry dies, metaphor dies.

SEAN STONE: Exactly.

TUCKER CARLSON: Spiritual life withers and we just don’t notice that our military is headquartered in a building called the Pentagon. And by the way, I learned this from you at breakfast this morning. I have no idea what it means, but I was amazed to learn that the cornerstone of the Pentagon was laid on September 11th, 1941 — 60 years to the day that Flight 77, I think, was flown into it.

SEAN STONE: 77 is a magical number too. Again, I think of these events as mass rituals.

9/11 and the Ritual of Mass Events

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, look, I just learned this this morning eating my omelet, so I haven’t thought about it at all. But that’s kind of the point I’m making. I heard that plane. I was close enough to hear the plane or whatever. I heard the impact of something.

SEAN STONE: Well, we never saw the video, right?

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m aware. I’m aware. The whole thing is bizarre. But I’m only making the point that I was very aware that it happened. I had a friend on that plane, et cetera, et cetera. Why am I now, 25 years later, for the first time learning that the Pentagon cornerstone was laid on September 11th, 1941?

SEAN STONE: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: Like, you’d think in the coverage of it, they’d be like, hey, this is kind of—

SEAN STONE: Yeah, the 60th anniversary — you’d think so, right?

TUCKER CARLSON: I never heard that. Did you know that?

SEAN STONE: Yeah, I’d read about it, but I don’t know.

TUCKER CARLSON: But at the time, was that like on World News Tonight?

SEAN STONE: At the time, I was as clueless when it happened. Here’s all I knew about 9/11 — nothing made sense, because I was in Somaliland in the summer, in July. And we got notices from the State Department faxed saying, “Be careful” to all American nationals abroad. Like, there’s basically a rumor around like a terrorist plot. So be on high alert.

TUCKER CARLSON: I was in Maine that summer and they didn’t send us any notice at all.

SEAN STONE: I guess I should have been in Somaliland. So I mean, it was like, oh, it’s interesting that we got the notice — obviously some intel, something’s coming across intel channels to say that. And I’m not sure if anyone ever reported on that in the investigation of the intelligence labs.

But again, I just never believed the official story. And the more I looked at it, the more it just didn’t add up — the takedown of the towers. I mean, just structurally speaking, the plane hit the Empire State Building back in ’46. Remember that?

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, of course.

SEAN STONE: It was a military plane at the time. A bomber. A bomber — and no collapse.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, Donald Trump is on tape on the morning of 9/11 saying, “I don’t know how that could have happened. I know those buildings well. I was there when they were built in the early ’70s, and the steel in those things is stronger than any building in New York, and there’s no way.”

The Holocaust, the Wicker Man, and Ritual Sacrifice

SEAN STONE: But now you think about the nature of ritual — what was created was a holocaust, which is literally a mass burning. And this — I don’t know if you remember the movie called Wicker Man.

TUCKER CARLSON: No.

SEAN STONE: Wicker Man. It was a film about these pagan Satanists, right, who do a ritual around one of the equinoxes. I think it was like a summer equinox. They have this guy in this town realizing that these people are witches. And all of a sudden he finds himself inside of this massive wicker man being burned alive.

And it’s played out every summer, by the way — a festival called Burning Man. Here in Nevada, in the desert. The Burning Man ritual, the burning of the man annually. These are ritual things that people partake in without understanding what they’re giving their energy to.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s right. That’s exactly right. Up until the Second World War, it would have been obvious to every Western man that life revolves around ritual and that ritual describes to us concepts that our brains are not capable of fully grasping. The communion in Christianity — there’s a great debate over exactly what that is, but it’s the center of the practice of the religion. And it doesn’t make any sense from a scientific point of view. You’re ingesting the flesh and blood of Jesus? Like, what? But to Christians, it’s the Holy Eucharist. And that makes sense to people because there’s no other way to describe the things that are of this life that are that profound.

But our understanding of how central ritual is to life has just been stripped from us completely. So we totally miss it. We don’t even know that the Pentagon gets hit on the 60th anniversary of the beginning of its construction.

Television, Media, and the Magic of Storytelling

SEAN STONE: Well, you think about the nature of — first of all, television has disrupted ritual cycles and whatnot, like the cycles of our energy — going down with the sunset, coming in, sitting around the hearth, telling stories, listening to the spirit, being more connected to the spiritual world.

Now the spiritual world does come in through television. It’s just not the way we imagine it, because we think this is something different. But it’s all going into our psyche. The brain is processing it the same way — it’s processing and taking this information just as it would reality. So it’s definitely affecting the way we interface with reality.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

SEAN STONE: And again, this goes back to what we’re talking about — the power of the magic of media. People that are storytelling — some are practicing darkness, I think others are practicing light, and there are those that are just unaware, unconsciously perpetuating things. But there does seem to be something very dark in Hollywood, and it’s like a subversion.

Hollywood, Darkness, and the Secrets of the Powerful

TUCKER CARLSON: You grew up there, so did you sense that?

SEAN STONE: What I sense with Hollywood is — there’s definitely a Babylonian quality to it, right? There’s definitely debauchery. I mean, everyone knew Harvey Weinstein was a monster.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

SEAN STONE: Not just with women. He was a monster with business.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course. And I knew him.

SEAN STONE: I knew that, right? Everyone knew that he was, but he was just accepted. It’s just like the casting couch — it’s just accepted. This is the way things are. The Epstein situation — I’m sure a lot of people knew what Epstein was. I never heard about him before, whatever, 2016, 2017, 2018, in that time frame. But I’m sure a lot of people that were around him just knew, like, “Oh yeah, he’s into this or he’s into that,” because people talk, right?

But it’s amazing how unless you’re part of those circles, you don’t really know what’s going on. And that’s why to this day people will say, “Well, JFK, the assassination — they couldn’t have kept the secret.” I’m like, people in the know have talked. But you’re just not in the know because it hasn’t been perpetuated through media. So unless it gets perpetuated through media, we don’t hear about it and we don’t think it exists.

The Nature of Secrets and the Cost of Power

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, I mean, that— you just said the truest thing that I didn’t understand until later in life, even though I spent my whole life in the media. The idea that if it’s more than two people, no one can keep a secret. Well, none of these secrets have been kept. They’re all out there. I’ve heard a lot of this stuff a million times. I just discounted it. And it was not part of the prevailing story we were told, so I just didn’t think it was real.

SEAN STONE: Didn’t— wasn’t it Cardi B? What’s her name? One of these rappers just came out talking about all this stuff in the Epstein— they’re eating— she said in the music industry they’re eating babies and drinking blood, y’all. You know, which rapper was it? Was it Cardi?

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t know, it’s every week there’s a new rapper. Yeah, the truth. But no one takes them seriously because they’re rappers.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, exactly. But she said something to this effect, and Mariah Carey’s sister said that she was a kid, she grew up— she talked about it before she died, Mariah Carey’s sister. And it’s in the Best Kept Secret docuseries that I put out. But basically she said she grew up with things that were done that were indescribably horrible, you know, like you can’t fathom. And she died like a few years after that. But she came out saying it.

A lot of people will sometimes come out and say things and it’ll be like a blip. And I think this is my way of thinking— it’s more like if in the middle of the night I see something fly across the sky, which I’ve done, like driving in Beverly Hills, driving home at like 2 in the morning, I saw a craft fly overhead. Not so fast. It was more like— it almost would be like an advanced version of a stealth bomber. It wasn’t a stealth bomber, but it was like a craft that was moving very fast, low to the ground, right over Beverly Hills.

So I look at that and go, okay, I’ve just glimpsed reality. Someone else might go, that’s just crazy, I’m just going to ignore that, right? So to me, I’m like, okay, this is what’s really going on. I want to look over here now. And that’s just the way that I see things. And other people will just be like, I once saw a UFO, but you know what, that’s just so crazy, I’m just going to go back to the mundane world.

Blood Sacrifice and the Cost of Power

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly right. That’s exactly right. But big picture, if people are trying to understand, not simply are they eating babies, but why would someone do something like that? Well, you get to the nature of the deal that every person faces. I think the potential, which is the same as the temptation of Jesus— “bow down before me and all this will be yours.” But in exchange for whatever you’re getting, bloodshed is the cost.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, because the depravity— it’s like the dog that’s tasted blood, right? You can’t go back. You’ve crossed a threshold. You’ve crossed a barrier that we’re not supposed to cross, right? “Thou shalt not kill.” Okay, well, if you do, you’re probably going to have remorse, especially just for defense purposes. You’re still probably going to have some level of remorse. I know sociopaths don’t.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, no, that’s right.

SEAN STONE: So there’s like a whole other caliber of psychology and maybe demon possession there. But as humans, we would have remorse. But once you’ve gone back, you can’t take that back, can you? Like, you’ve stained your soul. That’s something that you can’t— you know, you can steal something and make amends. All crime is theft, but there’s different degrees of theft, right? You can steal people’s time, you can steal their energy, you can steal belongings, but if you steal life, there’s no— how do you return that?

TUCKER CARLSON: There’s no restitution. I’m extrapolating out to the scale of empire here and trying to understand why empires tend to commit themselves to war even when they don’t get anything out of it.

SEAN STONE: Someone’s getting out of it.

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, I just wonder though if the cost of staying on top isn’t killing people just by its nature.

SEAN STONE: Yeah. Well, and again, different arguments. I mean, you go back to like, what was the point of Vietnam? If Vietnam fell to the communists, like what the heck does that have to do with anything?

TUCKER CARLSON: What’s the point of the Russia-Ukraine war? Why would you want to keep that going? The only thing that you’re getting out of that is weapons testing and money transfers and all that stuff. But ultimately what you’re getting is millions of dead people.

SEAN STONE: Yes. Let’s—

TUCKER CARLSON: Maybe that’s the point. Maybe it is blood sacrifice, right?

The Fall, the Mind, and the Illusion of Separation

SEAN STONE: Right. To a degree, I think that’s from a higher perspective. There does seem to be truth to that. And I think look, this is a realm of mind, right? Since the fall of Adam and Eve, we fell into mind. So before this, there was order, there was perfect— it was perfectly guided, let’s say. And then we fell. That story is not just Adam and Eve, it’s Atlantis, it’s all these things, right? They fell into the mind.

TUCKER CARLSON: What does that mean, the mind?

SEAN STONE: Everything we experience is the mind. We don’t know anything outside of our own minds, right?

TUCKER CARLSON: So before the fall, we existed—

SEAN STONE: Well, we didn’t have— I mean, presumably, if we trusted, the Lord basically just had perfected and ordered everything. We didn’t have choice, we didn’t have free will, we didn’t have mind, we didn’t have anything to mirror. We saw ourselves for the first time. The mind is like a mirror, self-awareness. “I am separate from you.” If everything before that was just oneness, right— you just knew, you were, you could be. I mean, it’s kind of like an angelic order, let’s say. I mean, again, we’re making assumptions here, but essentially what we know is that with self-awareness comes this idea of separation. And so we are in a realm of mind where everything gets mirrored in some way. Every thought has to manifest.

TUCKER CARLSON: “With self-awareness comes separation.” That is—

SEAN STONE: Yeah. The illusion of separation. I mean, ultimately, I believe that we’re all from the same oneness, and I believe it’s God’s universe. So there’s really nothing to be afraid of, right? Because if we choose, we can ascend higher, we can go back to the light. They say the illusion of separation is that it’s just an illusion. Our ego feels separate. Our ego feels like, I’m me, this is my body, this is my name, this is what I’ve done.

So that’s why I say it’s a battle between ego and higher self. Higher self is like, no, we’re just instruments of the Creator. I can let go of ego now. I don’t have to feel like anything belongs to me. Anything I do is not mine. Glory to the Creator. We’re just instruments here. We’re just playing our roles. And yes, hopefully this is— well, I believe this is all for our evolution and understanding and recognizing, hopefully developing more empathy, more compassion, more love. That should be our goal on this planet.

But yeah, in the realm of mind, mind has to go somewhere. So if I have hateful thoughts, it has to go somewhere. Does it project? As we know, hateful thoughts or angry thoughts— it’s going to be the way I treat my children, my loved ones, my family, my friends. It’s going to go somewhere. It’s going to go into war. It’s going to manifest somewhere.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, right.

SEAN STONE: And that’s where we are still. We’re in a place of strong polarity, right? Everything is being— as light as it is, as dark as it is in this realm. That energy has to go into war until we clean up our thoughts and stop hating each other. Until then, we’re going to have war.

Fear as Food for Darkness

TUCKER CARLSON: But there’s also a sense in which bloodshed, war, violence, killing is the food that keeps the dark energy.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, but it starts with us. That’s why I say the good news is they don’t have any power unless we give it to them. If we give them power, if we give them attention, if we give them energy, if we feed them our fear— that’s what Christ was saying. Let go of the fear. Just have faith. Let faith replace the fear.

And that was what I had to go through in my 2-3 year journey of having these dark experiences and being haunted by things that were energetically tangible. My reality was like, okay, I surrender. I surrender to the higher power. I have faith. So you can’t have my soul because it doesn’t belong to you.

And I think that’s the point— if every one of us just in our own lives takes inventory, we have fears, it’s natural. Some fears are deep and paranoid. Others are just existential, like there’s a predator, there’s a threat, okay. But if we can face our fears, own our fears, and find deeper faith, we will create a better reality. Because the dark will have less food. It’s our choice.

TUCKER CARLSON: Does it feel like some social media are designed to inspire fear and hate?

SEAN STONE: Of course, because again, it’s just being perpetuated through people that are unconscious. I would say the— I don’t think there are that many dark sorcerers in the world. I think there are a few. I think there are definitely some people that commune and know what they’re doing, ritualistically. But I think most people are just unconscious and they’re just seeking worldly delight, worldly temptation, worldly power.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

SEAN STONE: Right. And they’re just unconsciously not sure why, but they’re just like, well, that seems safe, I don’t want to lose what I have. I don’t want to maintain and preserve. But you can’t. This world is ephemeral. It’s passing, right? We know this. It’s the way it’s designed. We’re supposed to be able to let go. And again, commune with a higher power, and that’s the greater energy. And that actually is what really preserves you.

That’s when you get to that place of what the saints— people like that can glow and actually emit light, right? All these examples of what Christ is. This is where we’re supposed to— we’re supposed to imitate, to try to bring more light into the world. And so if people are not there but they’re putting out these things, they’re just reflecting themselves.

Going back to Hollywood— a lot of these creators are just at that level. Their consciousness is at that level. Their consciousness is full of, you name it, perversion, negativity, angst, fear. So they’re perpetuating that. They’re not coming from a higher modality. They’re not coming from a higher place. They can only reflect what they are.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you think it’s more obvious in Hollywood than in other places?

Hollywood, Consciousness, and the Dance Between Darkness and Light

SEAN STONE: Power centers. I mean, there’s a lot of power centers. London is a power center. Hollywood’s a power center. New York’s a power center. I mean, every city is like a hub because of how much energy gets — how do you say — there’s so many more people there. There’s so much more attention, but obviously Hollywood is this magnifier of consciousness. And so I think that wherever the consciousness goes, even collectively, you could say Hollywood shifts accordingly.

I don’t think Hollywood itself is, like, sitting there going, “This is the way it is.” It’s like they’re a barometer of where consciousness is. And so it’s — how do you explain it? It’s almost like reflecting each other. They put out darkness. People want that. They feed into it. That’s where the collective is. The collective wants to experience this. They want to go into darkness. They want to experience the darkness.

Okay, when you get to a certain point, you wake up, you say, “I’m tired of the nightmare.” And I think that’s where we are. That’s what the awakening means. It’s like people saying, “Okay, you know what, enough of the nightmare. Let’s change the story.” And people rejecting Hollywood accordingly and saying, “Yeah, unless you guys shift the narratives, we’re not going to watch your content anymore.” The more we shift, the more Hollywood will shift. So it’s a dance. Hollywood cannot survive without the audience. Drug dealers can’t survive without the drug addicts. We collectively have to shift our consciousness and everything will change.

TUCKER CARLSON: I believe that. I notice it with AI. Most people, including I think the people who are creating AI, aren’t really exactly sure what it’s going to be, what the effects are going to be. But the only publicity about AI that’s coming out of the developers of AI is negative and terrifying. I’ve noticed this for the last 3 or 4 years — there’s been no real effort to explain to you or me or anyone how this is going to be great for us. And a lot of effort put into telling us this is going to end everything that we love, including human autonomy, our jobs, our economy. It’ll basically be a slave state run by machines. That’s what they’re telling us. The people who are making it are telling us that. And so my instinct is they’re trying to terrify us for some reason. And it may just be because that feeds the dark spiritual powers that are creating it.

AI, the Post-9/11 Darkness, and the Awakening

SEAN STONE: Yeah, I think AI is just like everything. It’s just both dark and light. It’s like the internet, right? You can find the darkest things out there. You can find great information. You can find the books of the world if you want to read them. And it’s just going to be a question of where human consciousness will take it.

Again, because this is God’s universe, I do have a more positive view of where all this is going. When we were post-9/11, it was dark — I could feel the darkness, man. I could feel it before 9/11. I could feel war coming from about 2000, the year 2001. I felt like I could feel the energy of war and the darkness of the 2000s. I felt like the War on Terror was literally terror. It was about terrorizing everybody.

TUCKER CARLSON: It was a war of terror.

SEAN STONE: Exactly. Yeah, it was terror for everybody — the American public, the broader world. So that era was like, you know, a pretty dark phase. I think now we are almost like operating in different realities simultaneously, which is kind of cool. And I think it’s almost — I feel more like “choose your adventure.” What do you want to do with technology? What do you want to do with the world that you’re in? And just trust that this is all for our evolution as souls — to return, to basically be reminded of the light, to return to the light ultimately, to reascend, I hope, in time. I think that would be the goal, right — to return to a state of more closeness to God. But you have to be separated to want to go back, right?

UFOs, Roswell, and Reverse-Engineered Technology

TUCKER CARLSON: A lot of people are looking forward to going back right now, all of a sudden. So we’re told that there’s going to be some kind of disclosure about UAPs, UFOs, by the federal government. What are UFOs?

SEAN STONE: So I think we have reverse-engineered technology that’s been talked about for a long time. Certainly Roswell is a famous incident. From what my understanding of it, something did crash and there was a huge military response. And then they did have a weather balloon — and then they changed the story twice. It was originally like, “Yeah, weather balloon,” and then it was like some other thing.

Basically, the guy that was there initially — I can’t remember the name, he was a military intel guy — he took a piece of the metal back to his family. And it was very strong, but at the same time you could actually slightly bend it, but it would come back, and it was unlike any metal they’d ever seen. So this was described by him and then his son. But he was basically forced to take the photo — the famous photo. I think his name was Marcel. He had the famous photo of holding the weather balloon, and he was basically forced to take that picture.

I think since that time we’ve been reverse engineering. I’ve talked to way too many people who are part of black programs. We have a secret space program. The U.S. Space Force is older than Trump. They basically brought it from the hidden to the more public side now. For example, I talked to Dr. Fred Bell.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you remember?

SEAN STONE: Do you know him at all? Fred Bell was a very famous guy in the alien, UFO community because he had worked with the government and he was also writing books about alien technology and consciousness and things like this, quantum physics — brilliant guy. So we interviewed him for Conspiracy Theory, the show I used to do with Jesse Ventura, and he was talking about mind war — like using frequency to affect people’s thoughts and being able to affect people at a distance through various technologies.

But off the record, he was like, “I shouldn’t tell you guys this because my CIA handler would not be happy with me, but I’ve been to one of these underground military facilities.” And he said, “I’ve even met what you would call a gray alien. I shook hands with one.” And he said, “They’re down there in these facilities. We have these joint partnerships.” Within 24 hours of that conversation, off the record, he was dead. He died in his hotel room before he could leave Minnesota, where he was —

TUCKER CARLSON: After your interview?

SEAN STONE: During the interview, yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: How did he die?

SEAN STONE: Heart attack.

Missing Scientists and the Drone Mystery

TUCKER CARLSON: A lot of people involved in the space program, in a kind of spooky science connected to the federal government, have died. Disappeared recently.

SEAN STONE: Yeah, like a lot. It’s like 11 that they’ve confirmed missing or dead.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, it seems like a lot.

SEAN STONE: From everything from fusion programs to NASA scientists. Certainly in the age of disclosure, which we’ve been living through the last few years, it’s curious — more curious. At first I thought people were saying the Chinese, they were suspecting the Chinese. But do you remember — look, I mean, we still never got an answer to those drones. Last year they were all over, not just Jersey, they were all over — from the Eastern Seaboard, right? Virginia. Multiple states. I mean, you get this kind of stuff all the time, these anomalies.

TUCKER CARLSON: I actually asked about that, because Trump was going to disclose what it was, remember, during the campaign. He said, “I’m going to get to the bottom of this.” And then he said, “Ah, it’s not a big deal.” And I asked — it’s not a big deal.

SEAN STONE: Epstein, Epstein’s not a big deal.

TUCKER CARLSON: Not a big deal. But what were those?

The Watchers, Genetics, and Ancient Eugenics

SEAN STONE: Listen, I look at this world — you ever see those old paintings, and you see these little drone-looking things in them? I just look at this world like we are being observed. The Watchers — again, dark and light — they’re observing this experiment of the fall, right? We’ve fallen, but God is always watching. God’s permitting. And there are beings that are interested in our genetics, that’s for sure. The eugenics thing is ancient.

TUCKER CARLSON: Eugenics is ancient?

SEAN STONE: Well, we talked about it — the idea of creating humans, some of which were of royal bloodline or from deities, and others are just more like workers. I think it’s ancient. I mean, isn’t it curious, like, the different races? Do we all just come from one race and become darker skin, lighter? Or are we actually different bloodlines? There are different blood types. So is it just evolutionary, or is there something else going on?

I think genetics connects to consciousness because, as we know, the eugenics interest is extreme. By the way, we gave birth to Hitler because the eugenics conferences were here first. They were British and American eugenics conferences, and a lot of them were racist, absolutely. But the interest in the idea that consciousness — as we talked about, the brain is a receiver — then of course different genetics are going to receive information differently. The body, how we experience reality, is through this body. So if we believe in souls and the journey that we go through in our life, our body is very connected to that experience. So of course there’s a fascination with how much is contingent on our genetic makeup and our propensities, for example.

TUCKER CARLSON: For about 50 years in the United States, it was basically not allowed for people to mention any of this in public because it was “Hitler stuff” or whatever they said about it.

SEAN STONE: They changed the name. They called it — they changed it from eugenics to — what’s it — Cold Spring Harbor. They’re doing it at Cold Spring Harbor, basically the same research. It’s just genetic — what’s the term for it anyway? They called it genetic research now, and biotech and things like this, but it’s the same principles. Not, maybe not based in the same racism, but some of it — I’m sure some of these people are still racist, like Epstein, who called everybody “goy” that wasn’t Jewish, right? I mean, some of these guys are still racist. But yeah, they just changed the name.

mRNA, Genetics, and the COVID Vaccine

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s just interesting that even as the public has been absolutely banned from talking about this stuff, the people in charge are very fixated on genetics.

SEAN STONE: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: That doesn’t surprise you.

SEAN STONE: But why should it? I mean, if this vehicle — the body — it’s pretty interesting technology. The body’s incredible technology. That’s what freaked me out so much during COVID was the whole mRNA delivery system that they were trying to inject us with. And as a lot of people were warning, that mRNA technology can start to affect your genome and might be passed on to your children.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think it’s been confirmed now.

SEAN STONE: Right.

TUCKER CARLSON: So it’s pretty scary stuff that they were just mass injecting into hundreds of millions of people. And now we know that it can affect your DNA — I think that’s beyond dispute — but I haven’t read any follow-up on, like, okay, what — you’re changing human beings generationally? What are the likely effects of this?

The Transhumanist Agenda and the Future of Humanity

SEAN STONE: And that’s the transhuman agenda. So transhumanism — you could say, is the evolution of eugenics to the place where a lot of these elites want to biologically re-engineer the human. And arguably, they want to get us to a place where they can merge us with the AI, the machine consciousness, to make us — well, you could say like an H.G. Wells type of scenario, right?

You have the elite, some of whom love the idea of like Elon Musk, you know, “connect me to the machine, connect me to the computer so that I can be smarter,” right? And then, arguably, those that are more mundane will either not have the ability, or they’ll be connected in a way that they can be more really controlled. Is this what we’re going towards? A cyborg type of future?

TUCKER CARLSON: Seems clear.

SEAN STONE: Right? It’s certainly feasible. I don’t think in the next 5 years, but probably 20, 30 years and beyond, you could see a whole new humanity.

The COVID Exercise: A Test of Human Consciousness

TUCKER CARLSON: What do you think the point of the COVID exercise was?

SEAN STONE: Multi-layered. They wanted — it seems that they wanted to shut down the world and print money en masse. They know that they didn’t have a war. Like, to do it right without a great war, they needed some kind of conflict. This exercise was a way of, I think, testing consciousness to see how pliable and compliant people are.

And obviously it was, like I said, frightening just to see your friends and neighbors just becoming like the Borg, you know, Star Trek. Just obey, wear your mask, do not question. If you question, you’re crazy, you’re dangerous. At some point they were talking about moving people to concentration camps, quarantine camps. They were talking about digital tracking.

I don’t think they achieved fully what they could have, or what if the dark side had prevailed. We could have — you kidding me? We could have been what Chomsky said. Those of us that were unvaxxed, we could have been pushed out of society. They could have created a total digital verification of how many shots you’ve had and whether you obeyed or not. The social credit system of a communist society — they could have gone all the way. I don’t think they won that battle, but I think it was a big test to see where our human consciousness was.

TUCKER CARLSON: I noticed you didn’t mention public health as one of the reasons for that campaign.

SEAN STONE: Which, in which aspect?

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, the inherent threat of the virus — that didn’t play any role in this.

SEAN STONE: The virus was a perfect virus insofar as it was very contagious. And I think we all got exposed to it. And I think the virus does have long-term effects that we should work to clean out, but things like ivermectin and others can help us with cleaning that out of our system. But it wasn’t a particularly deadly virus. No, I mean, just look at the numbers. It was deadly if you had 2+ comorbidities and you were over 70 years old. Yeah, that was dangerous. But anyone who was paying attention, we knew about ivermectin, we knew about hydroxychloroquine, vitamin C, zinc. Just health protocols — being in the sun, fresh air, all the things you would normally think would be healthy, keeping your weight normal. Yeah.

Seeing the World Through a Different Lens

TUCKER CARLSON: So last question. So many things are happening at once right now. One thing I’ve noticed during this conversation is you seem completely unsurprised, nonplussed by all these crazy things going on, because you’ve just seen the world through this vantage for so long that it doesn’t surprise you. Is that fair?

SEAN STONE: Yeah, I think that when you’ve grown up seeing conspiracy reality — which I saw since I was like 6, 7 years old and my dad made JFK — I don’t try to assume anything, because I’m not in a position of one of the elites that’s apparently making these types of decisions, right?

TUCKER CARLSON: So you see a UFO and you say, “I’m looking not at an anomaly but at reality.”

SEAN STONE: Yes. Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: So that’s a different way of looking at the world — and probably a better one. But given that worldview, you see now the unresolved war in Ukraine, this new war in Iran, which seems like it is already a global war — who knows — the promise of UAP disclosure, the rise of these terrifying dystopian technologies, mass surveillance, AI, all happening in like a 5-year span. What is all of this? They’re clearly connected phenomena.

SEAN STONE: They’re definitely connected phenomena.

TUCKER CARLSON: Any one of these things would have been enough to fry my 30-year-old brain if these had happened in 1999.

SEAN STONE: Well, look, the NATO war against Serbia was relatively isolated to that region of the Balkans, but that region was devastated by that era. I keep emphasizing to people, look, the world ended many, many times already. I think if we lived through World War II — can you imagine the devastation of that time period? Maybe 100 million dead, the entire world engaged at some level of the conflict.

I think we have to get back to kind of primary principles of, okay, is it really as bad as the mind might want to believe, as the fear wants us to believe?

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

The Awakening: Light Prevailing Over Darkness

SEAN STONE: So I don’t like to give into those fear narratives. I truly believe that the light is prevailing. People are waking up every time something is occurring. We’re in a time now where, thanks to the social media component — as much as we can say there are banal things, degrading things, things that maybe take us out of ourselves or into our lower self — there’s also so much revelation coming at the same time.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

SEAN STONE: Right. So we can have these conversations now that — listen, I couldn’t talk about the pedophilia cannibalism stuff back in the 2000s when I first found out about it, because I was reading like The Franklin Scandal and The Franklin Coverup and things like this, right? This was back in the ’80s and ’90s — the trafficking ring.

TUCKER CARLSON: I remember.

SEAN STONE: Right. And Franklin — it had to do with Larry King, who was very high up in the Republican National Committee. Different Larry King. Yeah, different Larry King, exactly. The Black Larry King, not the CNN Larry King. And I couldn’t talk about these things publicly, but gradually I’ve seen consciousness awakening.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s —

SEAN STONE: My journey has been so interesting in that regard. Like, I was in Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura back when it was shut down because we were asking all the right questions apparently, but the network TruTV shut us down because he had challenged — I think it was because of the episode that he did about FEMA camps. Was that like he triggered something? Yeah, but there were some things that we touched upon that were like, okay, the show is canceled.

So nowadays, if he’d wanted to, we could have shifted it to a TikTok channel or something. We could have continued it. All these conversations that we were having about Skinwalker Ranch — now there are shows on Netflix about Skinwalker Ranch. The UAP stuff coming out, the hybrid programs, the reverse engineering being discussed in Congress.

So I feel like the awakening is more important than the events themselves. Because this is a reality where, unfortunately, yes, it’s painful, it’s full of suffering, there’s sorrow. Our loved ones are going to die one way or another. Everything’s going to pass in this world, right? So what matters is — where are we awakening to the reality? Are we seeing the spiritual forces that are at work? And if we can again choose light instead of darkness, I do believe we can create a better reality.

But it starts with awakening and realization. Not — “we’re going to put this in the corner, we’re not going to discuss the pedophilia.” No, that’s being discussed openly now. We’re not going to discuss the rape and murder and cannibalization of kids? No, we’re going to discuss that, because by becoming aware of it, now we can get to a place of, okay, all of this somehow exists in our reality. Let’s choose a better version. Let’s choose a better version of reality, right? Where this doesn’t happen as prevalently, if at all.

TUCKER CARLSON: So the awakening is worth the suffering that leads to it.

SEAN STONE: It’s the only way. It’s the only way to awaken is to suffer. It’s what Buddha — even Buddha sees suffering in the world. He says, “I want to understand what’s causing this. Get to the heart.” He wants to awaken, right? He wants to create a more compassionate reality, even though he knows that suffering will still exist.

So it doesn’t have to be as evil as cannibalizing people and murdering women and children and all these horrible things. But there will still be suffering in our reality at this point of human experience, right? We’re still going to suffer illness and old age and death, until God decides that we enter a more golden age.

TUCKER CARLSON: Sean Stone, thank you very much.

SEAN STONE: It’s a pleasure.

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