Read the full transcript of filmmaker and writer Alex Jones’ and standup comedian Tim Dillon’s interview on The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast #1555, October 28, 2020.
The Most Anticipated Return
JOE ROGAN: Alex Jones.
ALEX JONES: This is the most anticipated thing I ever did. I probably had no exaggeration, two or three thousand people in the last year and a half asked me, when are you going back on Joe Rogan? And I’m always saying, I don’t know. I don’t know. And then I learned you were moving here like three, four months ago. And now we’re here.
This is exciting. I don’t get butterflies anymore, but I’ve actually have them here. And this is great. It’s good to have butterflies after about 20 years. Didn’t get the last two times I was on. Didn’t get it when I interviewed Trump. Didn’t get in a lot of things, but I’ve got butterflies here today.
JOE ROGAN: And Tim. Motherfucking.
TIM DILLON: Yeah. I’m just a kid in a candy store.
JOE ROGAN: Me too.
TIM DILLON: Thank you for making this dream come true. This is what I’ve always wanted to do.
JOE ROGAN: And we’ve made it.
TIM DILLON: This is my Make a Wish. I can die happy.
JOE ROGAN: Well, I’m happy you’re here.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
TIM DILLON: I got my Ghislaine shirt because I believe all women.
JOE ROGAN: Is that how you say it?
TIM DILLON: I think so, yeah.
JOE ROGAN: I thought it was Ghislaine.
ALEX JONES: It might be Ghislaine. It’s Ghislaine.
JOE ROGAN: Do you know, look at me. No. Ghislaine.
ALEX JONES: It’s Ghislaine.
JOE ROGAN: Ghislaine. That’s a ridiculous name.
TIM DILLON: Yeah.
The Maxwell Family and Epstein’s Network
ALEX JONES: Her father was a famous MI6 Mossad spy that reportedly used sex operatives to control people. He died being thrown off a yacht in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. And of course, she got caught in that farmhouse on the east coast.
And she was really the pimp over Epstein and a giant sex network ring over scientists that they were compromising so they could control not just government, but industry and science. And so that was the master blackmail operation they were running.
TIM DILLON: And her sisters are big in tech. Isabel Maxwell, she has sisters that are in US Tech companies.
ALEX JONES: I think two of her sisters were part of the creation of Magellan, which was that big search engine.
TIM DILLON: Really. So yeah, they are a very powerful family, and they have all kinds of different operations.
ALEX JONES: Her dad was the biggest publisher in England and also the biggest owner of private TV stations in England. And when he died, it turned out he was a front, basically, for intelligence networks.
JOE ROGAN: Now, let me, right off the bat, say you were telling me about Epstein and this island years ago. You were telling me long before anybody. I think you told me about him.
ALEX JONES: But before his first arrest, a long time ago, I talked about how they have these islands, they fly, they compromise children. But I learned all this from Ted Gunderson. Twenty plus years ago, he was in line to be the FBI director. He was the head of the FBI in Los Angeles. He was a very famous FBI agent. He even ran COINTELPRO in the civil rights movement. He apologized for that before he died in 2011.
But he came out, and he was the one that explained to me about how they use these blackmail rings, elements of the CIA and foreign intelligence groups, and how they would basically make people have sex with children to be part of these clubs and these cults they were setting up. I knew about all this from Ted Gunderson.
The Borat Movie and Giuliani Controversy
JOE ROGAN: Were they young girls that, did they tell them these girls were underage, or did they look like they were older? The Borat movie where they, if you haven’t seen it, it’s very disappointing because they set him up.
ALEX JONES: I saw it.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, they did set him up, but nothing happened. They made it look like Giuliani was jerking off in front of this girl.
ALEX JONES: He was taking his mic off.
JOE ROGAN: He would have to be the biggest savage on earth to jerk off in that situation. And they also said that he inappropriately touched her back. When he touched her back, I’m not exaggerating, it was like this, right? It was a couple of light taps on the back while she was close to him taking off his mic thing. He goes, “Thank you very much, dear.” And he goes, “Yes, I just need your name and your phone number.” And then she takes off his mic, and then he leans back and he’s tucking his shirt back because he just pulled the mic out.
ALEX JONES: Right?
JOE ROGAN: But he’s lying on the bed to do it. Now, if you’re an old man, and I’m sure he’s probably got a bad back, that’s probably how you would do it.
ALEX JONES: But any of us that have had to put the mics on our side, and then you put it in your pants, up your shirt, and then you’ve got to get it out. That’s what you do.
But it’s worse than that. Remember when he was playing the, who was the gay character he played like 10 years ago? Bruno. Bruno, yeah. Remember Congressman Ron Paul at the time had run for president. And he’s in the hotel, he goes, “Oh, the light broke. Please step into this room.” So there’s no chair. Ron Paul sits down, he’s reading the newspaper. And Bruno comes in and pulls his pants down and says, “I want to have sex with you.”
Now that would be sexual assault if that was a man to a woman. Ron Paul pushes him out of the way, goes out of the room. And so this is what he does. He’s done this to other people.
JOE ROGAN: Listen, let me just, before we go any further, I fucking love Sacha Baron Cohen. I think he’s brilliant, I think he’s amazing. But his interpretation of what happened in the room with Rudy Giuliani, it’s not accurate, in my opinion.
TIM DILLON: Well, listen, I mean, and Who is America?
JOE ROGAN: He’s tapping her while she’s touching him and removing his mic. He does this little tap on her waist, but it’s not creepy. It’s like an old man, a little tap, tap, tap. Right. If you want to take it out of context, I don’t know if there’s more to it than that.
ALEX JONES: But let’s go further, let’s go further. Right after this happens, Borat, Sacha Baron Cohen runs in, in panties and a bra saying, “Have sex with me. She’s 15. She too old.”
TIM DILLON: Yes.
ALEX JONES: So this is, and Giuliani’s like, “What the…” I’d have a heart attack. What is this?
JOE ROGAN: Listen, my fucking 12 year old sense of humor, love. Yeah, but the thing about it is they’re making it seem like Giuliani was jerking off in front of her.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: And that’s not, he lies back and he’s tucking his pants. Can we show the whole thing so we can look at it?
ALEX JONES: They put it out as promotional material.
JOE ROGAN: What’s that, Jamie?
TIM DILLON: We can watch it in here, but let’s just…
ALEX JONES: I mean, I think Jamie’s right. These are a big show. They’ll try to tag you. Yeah, they put this out as promotional material to be promoted. They put it out on Twitter.
JOE ROGAN: The clip is on Ms. Pat’s.
ALEX JONES: Give a shout out to Ms. Pat, Jamie. Technically.
JOE ROGAN: Right, though on Instagram. It’s on her Instagram if you want to.
Sacha Baron Cohen and Free Speech
ALEX JONES: But let me drop a bombshell on you, Joe, okay? A bombshell. I’ve been a big fan of Sacha Baron Cohen until I learned he spoke at the ADL last year and called for my arrest for free speech. And he called for Jeff Zuckerberg’s arrest or Mark Zuckerberg’s arrest. So he called for my arrest and for Mark Zuckerberg’s arrest for free speech.
JOE ROGAN: He wants to work in Hollywood.
ALEX JONES: Right.
JOE ROGAN: You got to do what you got to do.
ALEX JONES: But let’s go further. I don’t agree, but I mean, he said arrest people for their free speech and he supports Internet censorship. So how does he make his money being this avant garde, cutting edge, really, over the edge comic that does things that could technically be seen as illegal? I support his free speech. And then he says I don’t deserve it. Well, it’s really dangerous.
JOE ROGAN: He’s flawed like many great artists.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: You know, I mean, until they come for him, he’s not going to understand the slippery slope of censorship. And, you know, this is another thing that people have criticized me for being friends with you and for talking to you. And they also criticized me for not supporting a lot of these people that got banned and de-platformed.
My take on it has always been the best way to counter wrong speech is correct speech. When someone says something that’s wrong or someone says a conspiracy theory that’s not accurate, the best way to counter that is to do better speech, to have people say the accurate information and to let the truth rise to the top.
When you start censoring people, the problem is it’s a fucking slippery slope. And there’s a reason why we’ve been so steadfast in supporting the First Amendment in this country. People think it doesn’t apply to tech because these tech institutes are private businesses and they should be able to do whatever they want with their private business.
The problem is that fucking slippery slope has gone from censoring you, from banning Alex Jones off Twitter a year and a half ago, to getting the White House press secretary banned off Twitter because she posts something from the New York Post, which is crazy.
TIM DILLON: It’s crazy.
JOE ROGAN: It’s…
ALEX JONES: That’s a 200 and whatever year old, America’s oldest newspaper.
JOE ROGAN: And what she said, the Post, what they printed and put out there is accurate.
The Hunter Biden Laptop Story
ALEX JONES: Well, let’s go further, let’s go further. They’re denying that it’s a real story, but they don’t ever say the emails are fake. They just say it’s a smear. No, it’s a real laptop. The videos have been released, it’s confirmed. But just think about this.
JOE ROGAN: It is a smear in that they’re putting it out there, they’re timing it.
ALEX JONES: Sure. But they’re not denying it’s real.
JOE ROGAN: No, it’s real.
ALEX JONES: It’s real.
TIM DILLON: How did the laptop, how did this laptop become this big story where it gets tricky?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I’m curious because supposedly he dropped it off at a laptop repair shop in Delaware.
ALEX JONES: What an idiot. I mean, who’s doing that?
JOE ROGAN: Well, crackhead, right? The guy’s smoking.
TIM DILLON: I keep forgetting he smokes crack.
JOE ROGAN: Well, he did at the time. Apparently he’s kicked it, so congratulations to him. But the guy had some problems. This is self admitted.
ALEX JONES: And also they have the receipts. Here’s the thing. He calls him dozens of times. Everybody knows when you bring a laptop or anything in, they say if you don’t pay for this, we’re going to wipe it and sell it. And so three months goes by, six months goes by, nobody ever comes and gets it.
The guy goes to look at it at the repair shop, the owner, and there’s all these 25,000 files, what looks like underage girls and all the rest of this crazy stuff and him smoking crack or God knows what. He gives it to the FBI. Ray does nothing. The director hides it from Trump.
And so people, let’s just say inside that had copies of that, they leak it to Rudolph Giuliani, who then now has started to put it out. So instead of facing up to it, they just say, anyone promoting this, whether it’s the House or Senate committees that were linking to it, or the New York Post or the President’s press secretary, you’re now banned. Which again shows it’s election meddling, it’s gatekeeping to cover this up.
But I’ll tell you what else has come out now. His daughter, Biden’s daughters, purportedly reportedly, and they’ve not denied it. Now, this broke three days ago, left her diary in a house that she had rented. And the diary talks about all the same stuff and everything. And that is—
TIM DILLON: So what the fuck is wrong with this?
JOE ROGAN: Jump in.
ALEX JONES: Hold on, Jamie.
TIM DILLON: When I was looking into this, the thing I keep seeing people say is—
ALEX JONES: That he lived in California, he lived—
JOE ROGAN: In California at the time.
ALEX JONES: That is true.
JOE ROGAN: That’s what I keep reading.
ALEX JONES: But they fly back and forth to Delaware. I mean, these are jet setters. They fly to Ukraine.
JOE ROGAN: Well, that also might make sense that that’s why he didn’t go back to Delaware to pick up the laptop. Because when you’re cracked out in California, it’s really hard to make the flight. Tim is the only one here who’s got—
ALEX JONES: The FBI confirms they have the laptop.
TIM DILLON: It’s not an easy flight coming down off cocaine or crack.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Have you smoked crack?
TIM DILLON: No. Free based cocaine.
JOE ROGAN: Which basically—
TIM DILLON: Yeah, it’s close.
JOE ROGAN: How close is it?
TIM DILLON: Not as close as where I ever went and made shady deals in the Ukraine. I’ve never done that, by the way.
ALEX JONES: That’s in the emails. That’s in the emails finally. Where it’s like, “Yeah, I need 30 million. Part of it goes to the big guy.” They’re like, “Okay, we want to meet with your dad.” And there’s photos of them meeting and playing golf. So let me tell you, this is real. The FBI has the files. They admit it’s real. It’s a big deal.
The Problem with Censorship
JOE ROGAN: But it’s a real problem to ban this stuff from Twitter. Putin rejects Donald Trump’s criticism of Biden family business. Well, because it’s—
ALEX JONES: Russia’s bribing Hunter Biden 3.5 million through Putin, through the Moscow mayor who he’s friends with to Hunter Biden again.
JOE ROGAN: Well, if I was Putin, I would deny it too. Listen, Putin has got to love this. If I was Putin sitting back, watching these fucking people eat themselves alive and destroy the First Amendment, destroy democracy. And I’m sure they have a hand in it. I’m sure China has a hand in it. I’m sure Iran has a hand.
TIM DILLON: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: This is what the intelligence communities have been telling us for a long time now is that it’s not just one foreign company or foreign country that’s trying to interfere with our democracy.
ALEX JONES: Yeah. The idea that the Russians have a monopoly on this. I mean, if the Russians were an NFL football team, they’d be in the lower third. And by the way, the US and China are the top team.
JOE ROGAN: And we should say the United States does it too. It’s 100% confirmed.
Trump and Foreign Connections
ALEX JONES: The idea that Russians got Trump in is asinine. Because here’s what happens. Notice they tried to impeach Trump just nine months ago for stuff in Ukraine because whatever they are worried about, they project.
Okay, so Trump doesn’t have Russia connections. Trump doesn’t have those connections. Trump doesn’t have those outside connections. You can’t buy him. He doesn’t have lobbyists. The problem is he then has family and people around him that basically become lobbyists for themselves. And Trump isn’t really even aware of it. And then that’s going on. And I mean, even junior aides now you’ll find out, have people giving them millions of dollars just to say something to the President.
JOE ROGAN: Is this standard shit? Is this just how politics have always been done? It’s just now we’re seeing it.
ALEX JONES: Well, it was standard, let’s say 200 years ago that you’d go after the wife or the brother or somebody that works at the White House. It got organized the last hundred years with lobbyists. Trump literally cut the lobbyist off, but all it did was now make everyone around him a lobbyist, even though they’re not officially a lobbyist.
JOE ROGAN: How did he cut the lobbyists off?
ALEX JONES: He just stopped meeting with him and stopped and just said, “I want briefings on what’s going on. I’ll decide.” So that’s why he pissed official Washington off. Not that he’s even perfect, but that he actually became the President for making decisions himself instead of having consortiums and lobbyists pay him for policy. That’s why he says Biden’s raised more money than me. Of course I can call up all these companies, they’ll give me any money I want, but I got to do what they say.
JOE ROGAN: But it would put him in a compromised position.
ALEX JONES: Yes, but I’m being honest about it. The vacuum and the blind spot is that then everyone around him, in his cabinet and everyone that works there, even down to mid level people, are now getting multimillion dollar contracts for companies like AT&T and stuff, just to even mention something.
JOE ROGAN: Hold up before you go any further. You said AT&T. Has it been proven that it’s AT&T, or are you just saying AT&T like companies?
ALEX JONES: Let’s just say, I’m not saying AT&T is bad. I think AT&T is overall good company.
JOE ROGAN: But is AT&T doing something bad?
ALEX JONES: No, I just, I was mentioning that as a Fortune 500 company.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but it’s not AT&T.
ALEX JONES: No, it’s not AT&T.
JOE ROGAN: So we shouldn’t say that. See, this is why you need someone that’s like a fact checker, right?
ALEX JONES: No, no, slow down. The media will say I’m wrong about that. But okay, okay, but no, no, hold on. His personal lawyer, his personal lawyer, the one that ended up going to jail, actually—
JOE ROGAN: Michael Cohen.
ALEX JONES: Michael Cohen was getting money from AT&T. Go ahead and pull it up. I mean, I was just trying to give you a gestalt, quick analysis.
JOE ROGAN: But I just want to—I’ve told you before, what you really need on your show is a legit journalist who’s right next to you with a laptop going, “Alex, hold on, hold on. Just slow down.”
ALEX JONES: But I think you can—
JOE ROGAN: That because you get so much right. But when you get something wrong, that’s what you got to understand. AT&T confirms it paid Trump lawyer Michael Cohen’s company.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, now I remember that.
ALEX JONES: See, Joe, they’re always saying that I’m making stuff up. They’re lying, right?
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: Now, every once in a while, my memory used to be photographic, but from everything I’ve done, it’s not as good as it used to be. It moves really quick.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
ALEX JONES: So when I’m saying stuff, it’s just data, knowledge. Okay. And then I can, yeah, did I say that? Yeah, it’s real. Check it out. But I’m not trying to make stuff up 99% of the time.
JOE ROGAN: Here it is. AT&T confirmed Tuesday evening that paid President Trump’s personal loyal Michael Cohen in 2017 for, in quotes, “insights into understanding the new administration.”
TIM DILLON: Insights.
JOE ROGAN: I love that. So how much they pay him? 200,000 bucks and four separate payments of 50 bucks in late 2017, early 2018. Interesting.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, but he got paid, I think the number was 10 million total from a handful of companies. And by the way, AT&T did it shady.
JOE ROGAN: Look, Avenatti alleged that Essential Consultants, a shell company set up by Cohen before the election to pay Stormy Daniels, was paid by several corporations, including AT&T. At the time, AT&T was seeking government approval for its acquisition of Time Warner, CNN’s parent company.
ALEX JONES: It’s a merger.
JOE ROGAN: It’s a dirty world.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, but I’m telling you, AT&T is a sweetheart compared to Google and Facebook and Twitter and all these people. So I wasn’t attacking them. I was giving an example of how everyone in his entourage becomes a lobbyist because he thinks I’ll just cut lobbyists off. He’s not taking any money. But then everyone around him becomes a lobbyist.
Jared Kushner’s Influence
TIM DILLON: Do you worry about the influence that people like Jared Kushner have? Because I know a lot of his biggest supporters, like Ann Coulter, who’s Trump’s biggest supporter, goes, “I don’t love the idea that he hired his children and that they have a lot of connections.”
ALEX JONES: I can tell you this. People were really pissed, who were patriots of the intelligence community in other areas, but also enemies of Trump, that Kushner had so much influence. But now Kushner’s gotten a lot of respect because he’s actually gotten a lot of huge peace deals done that nobody else could do for 50 years now.
JOE ROGAN: That’s interesting. How little press those peace deals—
TIM DILLON: Yeah, they’re getting—
ALEX JONES: None. No press.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s really concerning.
ALEX JONES: So now, I mean, they were pissed. Like, who’s this kid? And now everything he touches turns to gold.
JOE ROGAN: But he looks like the Omen we’ve covered.
ALEX JONES: He looks like a little devil. And he paid twice what it was worth for 666 Park Avenue.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, Jesus Christ. That’s not good. That’s not great. That’s not great. Why would he want that?
ALEX JONES: I think it was more than twice. Look up 666. Is it Park Avenue or—
TIM DILLON: Listen, maybe he thinks it’s funny. Maybe he’s a Satanist. He’s getting good deals done in the Middle East. Yeah, I mean, he’s getting good deals—
ALEX JONES: They say the Antichrist gets good deals in the Middle East.
TIM DILLON: If you’re going to be a Luciferian, at least make peace in the Middle East.
ALEX JONES: How about that?
TIM DILLON: Maybe Satan’s the only one that can do that.
JOE ROGAN: AT&T is a really good cell phone company. Yeah, right.
TIM DILLON: Hey. Hey, it’s the way it works.
JOE ROGAN: I mean, you want to—
ALEX JONES: When I mentioned AT&T, it’s an example that pops in my head of unofficial lobby.
JOE ROGAN: Well, I was happy that we called you on it, because then we found out it’s correct.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Look, you’ve been correct about a lot of shit. This is my point from jump. I found out about Agent Provocateurs from you from your 911 Road to Tyranny video where they use them at the World Trade Organization protests in Seattle in the late 90s. I had no idea that it was a common practice to send in masked people to start smashing things during peaceful protests so then they could go—
ALEX JONES: By the way, I can give you the straight dope on Antifa. You want to do that? Good.
The Kushner Family Controversies
JOE ROGAN: Okay. Yeah, hold on a second. “666 Park Cavity Project have been a black hole of cash for years until a sovereign wealth fund made a substantial investment for the property after Kushner was already serving as Trump’s top advisor in the White House.” Wow.
ALEX JONES: Okay.
TIM DILLON: Might be a nice building.
JOE ROGAN: What does it say? The Kushner Company. Is that what his company’s. Yeah, the Kushner Company, 666 Park Avenue project. That’s hilarious. I think that’s beautiful.
TIM DILLON: His dad went to prison for, I believe, setting up his brother with a prostitute.
ALEX JONES: Yeah. Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: What?
TIM DILLON: Yeah, that’s. They’re a fun family.
ALEX JONES: The Kushner.
JOE ROGAN: Wait a minute.
TIM DILLON: Wait a minute.
JOE ROGAN: The dad set up the brother with a…
TIM DILLON: With a prostitute, with a cold.
JOE ROGAN: And take step by step, we’re going to fact check everyone.
ALEX JONES: No, no, this is well known.
JOE ROGAN: I understand, but we need to have…
TIM DILLON: This for the people like me and Alex. Don’t just spout off. I have the facts.
JOE ROGAN: I know you have the facts, but I want to make sure. “Chris Christie, Jared Kushner’s father, committed one of the most loathsome, disgusting crimes I prosecuted.” Wow. Wow.
ALEX JONES: Listen, we fact check all of this.
JOE ROGAN: That is crazy. Make that bigger for my old eyes. Look at this. What does it say? “According to the excerpts in the book Republics by Axios and the Guardian, Christie claims the younger Kushner was behind his departure from Trump’s inner circle after the 2016 election, writing that he was still apparently seething over the events that had occurred a decade ago.” Well, what is the events of a decade ago?
ALEX JONES: They over prosecuted his dad. He should have gotten probation for trying to set up his brother with a hooker. Said he got a bunch of time.
JOE ROGAN: Imagine your dad setting you up with a hooker.
TIM DILLON: It’s crazy.
ALEX JONES: Set the other family member up.
JOE ROGAN: Here’s what? If my father is guilty, I would. “Mr. Kushner pled guilty. He admitted the crimes,” Christie said. “And so what am I supposed to do as a prosecutor? I mean, if a guy hires a prostitute seducer to seduce his brother in law…” Oh, it’s his brother in law.
ALEX JONES: That’s what he said.
JOE ROGAN: His brother in law.
ALEX JONES: His brother in law.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, I got confused. “And then videotapes it and then sends the videotape to his sister to attempt to intimidate her from testifying before a grand jury. Do I really need any more justification than that?”
ALEX JONES: Holy shit. But it wasn’t to intimidate. That’s his interpretation. That stuff goes on divorces all the time. People go videotape the other person cheating. So that’s why it was wrong. He went to prison because he wasn’t doing it. He was doing that to show that the person testifying was wrong. Of course you’re trying to influence testimony with truth. It’s this idea that, yes, they’re cheating. I told you they were. Here’s the proof. How does that become fraud?
JOE ROGAN: Okay, I’m confused. So he set up his brother in law with a prostitute to show that…
ALEX JONES: This was been going on before, which he’d already alleged.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. “As part of the plot, Kushner hired a prostitute to lure Shoulder into having sex in a Bridgewater, New Jersey motel room.” First of all, if you find yourself in a Bridgewater, New Jersey motel, run. “As the hidden camera rolls, a tape of the encounter was then sent to Kushner’s sister and Shoulders.”
ALEX JONES: I know the whole story. So to just trust us, we try.
TIM DILLON: I just made a comment that you start thinking about who’s running the… Cut these stories. And then Hunter Biden’s running around with underage people on a laptop. You start going, why does everyone work for a Ukrainian gas company? Who are these people running the country?
China and Global Influence
ALEX JONES: Yeah, the west controlled Ukraine. So they just use that as the money laundering op. It’s not the Ukrainians running.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: They use it as that.
JOE ROGAN: But…
ALEX JONES: But let’s expand on this, Joe. What I’m getting at here is I didn’t bring up AT&T. They’re a good company overall. They’re not the ones censoring and stuff. Okay. It’s the big tech. The reason I raised that was just the one that popped in my head, the first one. It’s massive. What’s going on? I was just being honest that Trump’s…
JOE ROGAN: Tried a couple hundred grand. I mean, as much as that sounds like a lot of money.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, but the bigger ones…
ALEX JONES: Talking about Communist China. Amazon. Communist China’s even bigger. It’s bigger than big tech. It literally spends hundreds of billions of dollars buying us off. It owns Hollywood. It owns a lot of the big telecoms, it owns the majority of our debt. And I’ve got articles in the LA Times and New York Times I brought for you where they say, “Xi Jinping must destroy Trump to save America. He was our leader.”
And then at the Davos Group, he said three years ago, “I will destroy Trump. I will work with Hollywood.” I’ve got all his quotes right here. And Xi Jinping said, “I want to overthrow American democracy. I want to repudiate it, I want to discredit it.” And Xi Jinping admits he admires Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but isn’t he doing that? That seems crazy.
ALEX JONES: You can pull it up.
JOE ROGAN: I understand.
ALEX JONES: I’ll show you step by step.
JOE ROGAN: Isn’t he doing that because it Trump’s trade deals? The trade deals that Trump wants to do with China are not nearly…
ALEX JONES: Well, they’re not one sided for him. Here’s what happened. Special interest in the US went in and opened up China in the 70s when most of them didn’t have running water or electricity. They’re hard working, smart folks, but by one sided trade deals where we have higher tariffs on them than they on us and all the rest of it, or vice versa, through those deals, they use the slave labor of China to then take over manufacturing worldwide.
And so China’s a client state of the globalist. And so now the Washington Post, the LA Times, the New York Times, I brought you the articles here. “Dreams of Red, the Relentless Rise of Xi Jinping.” And it says in these articles, he must destroy American Western Christian values. We love him and we accept China as our master. I have the goddamn article. This is treason. The freaking dude right here, Washington Post.
JOE ROGAN: But who’s saying that quote, who’s that quote?
ALEX JONES: Here, I’ll give them to you. This is the Washington Post and there’s a huge article, LA Times.
JOE ROGAN: I understand, but the quote that you just said about he must destroy China.
ALEX JONES: Just like I said, AT&T gave money unofficially lobbying. You pulled it up. I read the article. I’m not giving you…
JOE ROGAN: I understand what you’re saying, but what I’m asking you is who. You quoted someone. But who did you quote when you said that?
ALEX JONES: I’m quoting from when I read these again this morning before I came here. What I remember, David, Don Durie, Durley.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, that guy.
ALEX JONES: And this Chinese lady that worked…
TIM DILLON: I think he’s talking about the prevailing sentiment of what they feel they must stand.
JOE ROGAN: But when you quote somebody, it’s best…
ALEX JONES: No, no, no, no. I just said in these articles, look at the headline. “Xi’s choice: Destroy Trump or save him from weakened America.” I mean, Xi needs to destroy Trump, the Chinese dictator. He should destroy our president.
JOE ROGAN: So do you think that they’re doing that because Trump wants to change the trade deals?
ALEX JONES: You know what Trump said? Trump didn’t start a trade war. He ended our surrender. We have been surrendered for 40 years with China where they don’t take our goods, but we take all of theirs and they manipulate their currency, but we haven’t manipulated ours where we have carbon taxes that Obama put in to shut down over half our coal plants that are clean and our electricity prices went up where you could not run a factory here competitively against China.
So when Joe Biden says we’re going to cut off all the fossil fuels, not just fracking. If you did that, we wouldn’t just go bankrupt, we starve to death. 75% of our power comes from fossil fuels.
Clean Coal and Energy
JOE ROGAN: I understand. Let’s step by step again. Are coal plants really clean?
ALEX JONES: 100% clean.
JOE ROGAN: How is that possible?
ALEX JONES: I’ll tell you, please. Okay, there’s two different types of major power.
JOE ROGAN: When he says clean coal, I roll my eyes every time. When Trump’s like, clean coal, clean…
ALEX JONES: Well, that’s because the engine is so damn good.
JOE ROGAN: Is it?
ALEX JONES: I’ll tell you, please. They had old fashioned coal plants. China doesn’t have one scrubber or filter on their coal power plants. And China doesn’t have clean burning coal. There’s one place in the United States has major deposits of coal that is such pure carbon, you don’t even need scrubbers. Nothing comes out but carbon dioxide and water.
Well, they know we know water is not bad, so they list carbon dioxide. People think it’s monoxide. Just like in studies. If you say the scientific name of water, most people in Penn and Teller skits on the street will say, ban dihydrogen monoxide. You go out on the street, Joe Rogan, and ask 100 Austinites, dihydrogen monoxide is everywhere. If you get too much of it, you can die, drowned. And most people will say, I want a band of hydrogen monoxide. That’s the scientific name of water.
Same thing we do, the scientific name of salt. Sounds scary. Well, so hydrogen monoxide is the bad one. Hydrogen dioxide is a good one. That’s the life cycle on Earth. There’s light, there’s water, there’s oxygen and there’s carbon dioxide. Those are the four things you got to have for life. And so they’ve gotten people convinced to say coal is dirty. It puts out carbon dioxide and water vapor.
And so until about the 70s, we were still burning dirty coal full of mercury, all of it. They found huge deposits of clean burning coal out west enough in Utah, around the whole world for over a thousand years.
JOE ROGAN: What’s the difference between the coal?
ALEX JONES: Well, let me tell you, please. One, coal is so damn pure, and it’s only in the United States in major deposits that basically you don’t even need to put scrubbers on it. But our scientists in the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s, because they realized that dirty coal has mercury in it, has all these horrible toxins, they put scrubbers on it.
That’s when you drive by a coal plant this big, huge buildings and wires and hoses and big, huge steel looks like an alien spaceship. That’s because it’s called distillates. They know how to burn it and then take off all the chemicals, all the toxins and make plastics and make chemicals and make pesticides and make everything else that comes out of that. And then out of the stack comes nothing but water. Sensors on it, nothing but water and carbon dioxide. Totally clean, totally pure. So that’s what’s going on.
JOE ROGAN: So carbon monoxide is what everybody’s worried about. Carbon dioxide increasing in the environment has no negative effects.
ALEX JONES: Let’s talk about it. They’ve done ice core samples, okay, all over the Antarctic and the Arctic. They’ve done mud core samples in all over the world, but mainly in Siberia and Wales for some reason.
JOE ROGAN: Jamie, I hope you Google them. I haven’t got some decent stuff to…
TIM DILLON: Pull up, but he’s…
The Carbon Conspiracy
ALEX JONES: So what happens is they can go back 20,000 to 200,000 years, at least in the ice, and they know that. They’ve also done spectrometers in the stone. They can scan until it was there. Carbon dioxide was over 500 times stronger in the time of the T. Rex, okay? In the Jurassic age. That’s why plants grew so fast, things were so big, there was a higher oxygen level.
Just like Mars lost its atmosphere, used to have an ocean. They’ve now gone and proven it lost its atmosphere as a smaller planet couldn’t hold it. Truth is, the Earth’s losing its atmosphere. So what’s crazy is we come right along at this time, pump up all of this juice and all this carbon that was produced on the surface with plants and animals that ran down in cracks into the Earth.
We’re now pumping out all that carbon saved from millions of years ago and actually terraforming the planet, putting more carbon dioxide in than we actually need right at this time. Like aliens figure this out or something. But hold, hold, please.
JOE ROGAN: But hold, please. Isn’t carbon dioxide responsible for an increase in the temperature of the Earth?
ALEX JONES: But they said that we would have a 7 degree increase. They said that by 2013, all that LA would be flooded and New York would be flooded. All that’s lies.
JOE ROGAN: Okay? But let’s forget about what they said in the past. What they’re saying now is that carbon dioxide increase is responsible for an increase in the temperature of the Earth, which—
ALEX JONES: Which we hope it does because we’re—
JOE ROGAN: We hope it increases the temperature of the Earth?
ALEX JONES: The last ice age.
JOE ROGAN: Hold up. But hold on, Joe. The last ice age temperature, but the increase in the temperature of the Earth is responsible for the increase in hurricanes, the frequency and the power of the hurricanes.
ALEX JONES: If you look up the spectrum, in the last hundred years hurricanes have gotten weaker. That’s all media hype. But let me just tell you.
JOE ROGAN: Oh Jesus.
ALEX JONES: Joe, Joe, Joe, I swear to God, I swear to God I can prove all this to you. This is so huge for your audience.
JOE ROGAN: Are you a carbon dioxide salesman?
ALEX JONES: Listen, well, they always try to get money from oil companies. I’m not. But can I please tell you what’s going on?
JOE ROGAN: Yes, please do.
ALEX JONES: You are a carbon based life form. Let me show you what I came here with in my notes. I have right here in my notes the carbon conspiracy. And that is specifically what I wanted to get into here with you in my notes. Because this is everything.
Climate Change Denial?
JOE ROGAN: Are you a climate change denier?
ALEX JONES: Well, see, imagine how that’s how they use that term.
JOE ROGAN: Right?
ALEX JONES: Are you a climate change denier? It’s like a 9/11 denier. No, the towers got blown up. Our government had prior warning and had been funding Al Qaeda and all that came out later in senate reports. And the 28—
JOE ROGAN: Let’s not go there just now because we’re going to go down a rally.
TIM DILLON: That’s true, but let’s go to carbon. I agree with you there.
ALEX JONES: Okay, what are you? What is? What is? What is what is Joe Rogan made up out of carbon?
JOE ROGAN: Carbon based life form. We are literally stardust. What are song.
ALEX JONES: Right, Exactly. What are trees made out of?
JOE ROGAN: Tree stuff.
ALEX JONES: Carbon.
JOE ROGAN: Carbon, yeah. Carbon based life forms.
ALEX JONES: It’s most the whole planet and so this is the carbon cycle. This is in the mainline textbooks.
JOE ROGAN: I understand.
ALEX JONES: So just like they come out in assault reality now and say a little boy is biologically a girl. I don’t care if he grows up, wants to be a sage girl.
JOE ROGAN: Rabbit hole. Let’s not go down these rabbit hole.
ALEX JONES: But I’m saying it’s not science. They go, “the science is settled. There’s not two genders.” BS. Okay, hold on.
JOE ROGAN: Let’s not go down that road. Do you want to go that road in the future? We will.
ALEX JONES: Right now. I’ll do it. Let me—
JOE ROGAN: I want you to talk about carbon. I know, I don’t want to get off track because isn’t there a delicate balance with the temperature on earth and the rising sea levels and the melting of the ice caps? This has all been established by a lot of—
ALEX JONES: They say the science is settled. It’s not.
JOE ROGAN: But very concerned environmentalists have said that an increase in the temperature of the Earth could be disastrous. Civilization, it’s a power grab. Are you sure it’s a power grab?
ALEX JONES: I am absolutely freaking lutely.
JOE ROGAN: But how do you, how do you know that it’s not all. How do you know that?
ALEX JONES: Because they’re arrogant and they’ve all written white papers on that. I’ve read and I can give you white papers. Yeah, it’s not what you see in the news. They’re called white papers. And Joe, just like Joe, this is—
JOE ROGAN: This is why people get banned from the Internet. This, these kind of conversations.
ALEX JONES: We better ban it right now.
TIM DILLON: Let’s not ban it.
JOE ROGAN: I’m just not.
TIM DILLON: I’ll throwing that out.
JOE ROGAN: Let’s just not. Certainly not ban the YouTube page.
ALEX JONES: Let me tell you the story.
JOE ROGAN: Fantastic. By the way, what your YouTube page.
ALEX JONES: Let me tell you this right now.
JOE ROGAN: It’ll be up for another—
ALEX JONES: They have called in the European Union for the arrest of scientists that question the cause of anthropogenic warming or if it’s man made.
The Science of Carbon Dioxide
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but there is a contributing factor. Scientifically. It’s been proven that increased carbon dioxide has an effect on the temperature of the earth. Do you agree with that?
ALEX JONES: It depends on the models they use. Sometimes actually more carbon dioxide can cause a cooling effect, but generally could cause a heating effect. It depends on potash, the atmosphere, volcanic ejections at the time, and also solar maximum and many minimums. Sunspot activity is the main generator of planetary climate.
JOE ROGAN: But the wide. If you had a giant swath of scientists that are examining carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, would you agree that the majority of them believe that it’s a contributing factor to the warming of the ocean?
ALEX JONES: Joe, it’s a mantra where they say the majority of scientists agree that climate change is caused by humans. I agree with climate change. The only thing that’s constant is change. Of course the climate’s changing. What I’m telling you is carbon dioxide was 50 to 500 times depending on the time period, higher millions of years ago than it is now.
JOE ROGAN: Right, but that’s. But you also realize that that was interesting to hear.
TIM DILLON: What do you think the motivation is for them to present the evidence in this way? Like you said, this is a fraud and everything. What? Because I’ve heard you talk about this before. What do you think their goal is by linking all of this climate change to man made activity? What’s the goal?
The Power Grab Theory
ALEX JONES: The goal is a centralized world government that can then monitor all carbon and control it as a toxic bad thing. Your carbon, it makes you bad. That didn’t work, so now it’s “oh, you have a cold. You’re dirty.” With COVID we’ve got to track you and tax you and control you. So the new thing is COVID to cut the carbon footprint. And they admit that.
JOE ROGAN: Before we go down the COVID rabbit hole, the environmentalists are not in bed with the industrialists. The environmentalists. They’re not in bed with all these people that think that they can control the world.
ALEX JONES: Actually, BP and ExxonMobil and others, the biggest funders of the climate change movement.
JOE ROGAN: They’re the biggest funders of it, contrary—
ALEX JONES: To what you hear. How so? All right, Joe, here’s the thing. I understand this is. And you’re a smart guy, and I understand you want to go over each piece of this. Let’s go through—
JOE ROGAN: Well, we have to.
ALEX JONES: We have to. I agree. Let’s go through each piece.
JOE ROGAN: But understand, you understand that the way you talk. And I enjoy the way you talk fast, but the way you talk is fast. And you go on these long tangents and you go to frogs being gay, and a lot of things happen. I want to—
ALEX JONES: People can tell I’m putting a record out.
JOE ROGAN: Yes. But I want to do it step by step.
ALEX JONES: Let’s do this.
JOE ROGAN: But most people, the vast majority here, we got here. BP commits 100 million to fund new emissions reductions projects.
ALEX JONES: Well, let me just go back for a second, okay? I appreciate you backing me up.
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
ALEX JONES: Let me break down—
JOE ROGAN: Are frogs gay?
ALEX JONES: You want to get to the frog stuff now?
TIM DILLON: Connect it all.
JOE ROGAN: That is, by the way, why do—
ALEX JONES: I feel like I’m stoned? I haven’t smoked any pot. Yeah, he’s not going to smoke it.
JOE ROGAN: I’m going to. God, it’s sober October.
ALEX JONES: I have Break the goddamn rule and then go an extra day.
JOE ROGAN: I cannot. I cannot. How much, George Washington?
ALEX JONES: Well, hey, on election night, we’re going to get hammered, right?
JOE ROGAN: Mm. Election night, I’m getting hammered.
ALEX JONES: But you’re. I’m going to pop in.
JOE ROGAN: You can pop in, but we’ve told everybody now that we’re doing a lot.
ALEX JONES: No, no, no, we’re not. Kyle.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Kyle Kulinski, that’s Tim Dillon.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Me, Alex Jones. Going to pop in live. It’s going to be fun. It’s live. So while you’re watching the world burn. Yeah.
ALEX JONES: All right, Joe, here’s the thing. It’s just, at least funny to you, because I love you, dude. It’s just like when you said, “what’s the AT&T deal?” And I went, “look it up.” But—
JOE ROGAN: But listen, we did look it up and we found this information.
The Scientific Evidence
ALEX JONES: This is bigger. Okay, let me get my brain focused here for a minute. Let me just try to explain. I’ve literally interviewed probably it’s not exaggerate, 200 top scientists from petroleum geologists to astrophysicists to astronauts to quantum mechanics to petroleum—
JOE ROGAN: Buckle up, because I have to—
ALEX JONES: I know, moron. I know.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, you’re a moron. Yeah.
ALEX JONES: No you’re not.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: Trust me, Joe, you’re smart guy and I’m. That’s his cover. He is smart. Oh yeah, right.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, right. I’m a smart moron.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, right. Okay, let me tell you what’s going on. I’m going to say it again. You can go to any major study, just type in “carbon dioxide levels were hundreds of times higher in Earth’s early past.”
JOE ROGAN: Well, I understand that, but also I—
ALEX JONES: Understand you can look at the ocean models then. Yes, you look at the ocean models and it’s true, the oceans didn’t cover more than they did.
JOE ROGAN: Human beings weren’t alive 65 million years ago and the environment wasn’t compatible for—
ALEX JONES: Put out a fraction. We hadn’t developed yet.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: Well, we were moles. We hadn’t. Yeah, shrew. Yeah, but my point is, you’re right.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Is that last time CO2 was this high, humans didn’t exist the last time. There’s as much carbon dioxide CO2 in the Earth, CO2 levels are far higher now than they have been for any time during the past. And oil, a single CO2 molecule can remain in the atmosphere. What did you do? Oh, I see.
ALEX JONES: I understand.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, okay. So let’s, let’s just go to what this says. And what is this paper? That’s. Is this climate central.org okay, the last time there was this much carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere of modern humans didn’t exist. Mega two sharks prowled the oceans, blah, blah, blah.
All right, we as we near the record for the highest CO2 concentrations in human history. 400 parts per million. Climate scientists worry about what, where, about, excuse me, about where we were then and where we’re rapidly headed now. According to the data gathered by Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii. Dope spot. The 400 ppm mark may briefly be exceeded this month when CO2 typically hits a seasonal peak. Sure.
ALEX JONES: And I’ve had top scientists on. I’ve had climatologists on about the Keeling curve. I can tell you all this threshold to.
JOE ROGAN: According to Ralph Keeling, the researcher, carbon dioxide is the most important long lived global warming gas. And once it’s emitted by burning fossil.
ALEX JONES: Fuels, it helps us keep our atmosphere.
JOE ROGAN: Hold, please. Hold, please. Once it’s emitted by burning fossil fuels such as coal and oil, a single CO2 molecule can remain in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. Global CO2 emissions reached a record high of 35.6 billion tons in 2002. Excuse me. In 2012, up 2.6% from 2011. Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases warm the planet by absorbing the sun’s energy and preventing heat from escaping back into space. Which means it enhances the atmosphere.
ALEX JONES: Right, but the sea levels didn’t go up like they said.
JOE ROGAN: Well, aren’t they melting?
ALEX JONES: But it’s a. Gore said by 2013.
JOE ROGAN: Al Gore.
ALEX JONES: Okay, Joe, but listen, this is one guy’s take.
JOE ROGAN: I know they’re flying around.
ALEX JONES: I know you found a guy admitting that used to be higher than it is now. I’m telling you, it used to be way higher than it is now.
TIM DILLON: This.
JOE ROGAN: But then the asteroid hit the Yucatan, killed all the dinosaurs and changed the entire atmosphere.
ALEX JONES: I don’t want to of the planet with a dark winter.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it was very bad for everything.
The Sun’s Role in Climate Change
ALEX JONES: Caused by atmospheric dust for a long time. One major volcano like Mount St. Helens, they estimated put out more dust than decades of human dust. Yes, and human dust is what helps cause nuclei to form to cause storms. So we are affecting our environment.
But most of the astrophysicists and most of the physicists I’ve talked to and most of the climatologists I’ve talked to, they have broken down that the sun by magnitude is 98% of the driver of what happens. That’s why when the sunspots take place, that’s an uronal ejection from the sun. And one of those shoots radiation in our direction. It’ll be clear blue sky. But they know when we get hit by that, it hits our magnetic field and causes an ionization of the atmosphere and electrification of it. And so that causes the giant storms.
So the main driver of climate is the sun. And I think everybody doesn’t be a scientist to know what’s the main thing that Earth’s living off of? The sun. The sun. And so they’re telling us that carbon dioxide does this. What happens is, is carbon dioxide goes up, they said can be in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. It’s normally absorbed by plants immediately.
They’ve got studies, they have found giant crocodile skeletons from just 10,000 years ago in the central Sahara, when hundreds of square miles is nothing but dunes. 10,000 years ago it was lush jungles and beautiful, but they had goats and they ate all of the plants and killed the Earth.
JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s also the Younger Dryas theory of asteroid impacts, that they ended the.
ALEX JONES: Ice age 12,000 years ago.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, 10. Well, two impacts, I believe there’s 12. And then somewhere between the Earth.
ALEX JONES: But the answer is we don’t know. And so they’ve now looked at all these big models saying that it’s all carbon dioxide and it’s not. It’s the sun, it’s asteroids, it’s tectonic, it’s electromagnetic from the Earth’s core.
JOE ROGAN: I know this, but isn’t CO2 emissions the one thing that we can control? So human created global warming gases like CO2 emissions. If we can put a cap on that, wouldn’t you agree?
ALEX JONES: Let me ask you a question.
JOE ROGAN: If we don’t, but if we continue to put that stuff in the atmosphere and it continues to get higher and higher and higher levels of CO2 in.
ALEX JONES: The atmosphere, wouldn’t that it’s going to make. The studies show it’s going to make deserts become green again and plants are going to absorb the carbon.
JOE ROGAN: What studies are these?
ALEX JONES: You can look them up.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, let’s find out.
ALEX JONES: And that’s why the left even says.
JOE ROGAN: But if you’re going to say something like that, and I’m not arguing with you, but if you are going to say something like that, that’s a very bold thing to say. You should probably not just say look them up. There should be something.
ALEX JONES: Let’s type it in. Let’s type it in. There’s hundreds of them. Actually brought 50 articles right here.
JOE ROGAN: Do you have something that you’ve read that makes you so confident that you could say this?
Carbon Dioxide and Plant Growth
ALEX JONES: I actually know what the plant studies show where in greenhouses they grow plants with higher carbon dioxide and plants can grow up to three times faster, they live longer, plants expand.
JOE ROGAN: Carbon dioxide and what do they put out?
ALEX JONES: More oxygen.
JOE ROGAN: Well, this one thing that has been proven is there’s more plants now than there have been at a long.
ALEX JONES: There’s a global greening happening.
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
ALEX JONES: Countering us losing our atmosphere. Up until this point, the Earth has less atmosphere than it did a million years ago. And it’s like God did this or something where we discovered all this oil or just blind luck that we are terraforming the planet back to an earlier healthier state by taking ancient carbon that was under the ground and putting it back into the atmosphere.
JOE ROGAN: But isn’t the problem that along the way we’re also increasing the temperature of the planet and we are not aligned with a higher temperature.
The Club of Rome and Climate Models
ALEX JONES: You can’t. We don’t know. We don’t know. But in 1963, the Club of Rome came up with a Limits to Growth plan. And they had models and actuaries. And I have copies of this in my film Endgame, seminal film. It’s free online in game. Blueprint for global enslavement predicts a virus release to lock things down. Everything is now happening because it’s their own documents.
And in the 1963 Limits to Growth Club of Rome plan, they said, we believe there’ll be a global ice age by 2020, because the last ice age ended about 12,000 years ago. And we’re set for that. We’re going to tell the public that actually carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is bouncing solar radiation off the Earth because we’ve seen volcanoes cause this darkening effect in freezing.
So we believe, our scientists believe that carbon dioxide is going to make the earth freeze by 2020. And so we’ve got to have a global regime to take control of all the factories and all the energy and put a tax in for global government. And in the name of stopping the ice age, then by about 1987, they went, actually, we think it’s going to heat up instead. So they flipped the propaganda. Ask anybody you know.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but don’t you understand that science back then didn’t have as much data as they have now? So their models and what they had predicted in 1963 is faulty compared to the information they have in 2000.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, just like Fauci said, 2.5 million would be dead from Kelvin. It was 200 some thousand.
JOE ROGAN: But worldwide, what is it?
ALEX JONES: Worldwide, tuberculosis killed 20 million people, 1.4 million here last year, but nobody cares. Killed.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, COVID killed a lot of.
ALEX JONES: COVID 19 killed a million worldwide.
JOE ROGAN: What?
ALEX JONES: Not even a million worldwide?
JOE ROGAN: No.
ALEX JONES: Is that true? Yep.
JOE ROGAN: Come on. Yep. Well, how do we know?
ALEX JONES: Oh, we use UN models again. They’re there. They’re our boss. Since when did the WHO say the lockdown has to go on? Now they go, oh, we’re against the lockdown. Your nation states that it’s their fault because they know millions are starving to death from the lockdown.
JOE ROGAN: That is true and very underreported that the WHO has now come out against lockdown saying that the reaction can’t be a worse effect than the actual disease.
Climate Control and Government Power
TIM DILLON: So let me back Alex up with the climate change. It’s like they’re certainly you know, we are contributing to manmade global warming, but also. What are you going to do? What are we going to do?
JOE ROGAN: I don’t know what’s going on.
TIM DILLON: You know, I mean, that’s another question. What are we going to do?
JOE ROGAN: Why does his mic sound weird? Is it he’s hot, Is he on it? Or is it how I’m hearing it? I’m hearing a breakup of his mic.
ALEX JONES: Sounds good to me.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s weird. Okay. I’m sorry. It must be me.
ALEX JONES: Jamie’s really low. You sound great. He sounds good.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Okay.
TIM DILLON: What is the climate control? Because that’s very interesting. The idea of using climate to control. Because as you said with COVID and we talked about this, we give up a lot of rights.
ALEX JONES: Right.
TIM DILLON: In the name of climate coronavirus.
ALEX JONES: Exactly.
TIM DILLON: What?
ALEX JONES: Look, there’s real issues. We don’t really know what’s going on. They want to be able to track all carbon and tax it with a AI surveillance grid with a social credit score over it.
TIM DILLON: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: And they admit all of that. That’s Joe. They tell us.
JOE ROGAN: I understand that, but you do you understand that the environmentalists who are concerned are not. There’s a giant amount of them that are legitimately concerned that we’re ruining the Earth?
ALEX JONES: Yes, I understand the greenhouse effect.
JOE ROGAN: Fossil fuels.
ALEX JONES: I understand the greenhouse effect.
JOE ROGAN: But these people, the reason why they’re acting. The reason why they’re trying to get people on electric cars and trying to get people off of fossil fuels.
ALEX JONES: Hold up, please.
JOE ROGAN: They’re legitimately concerned. I don’t believe that these actual environmentalists.
Electric Cars and Carbon Emissions
ALEX JONES: Sure, I agree with you, But I mean, here’s the deal. The new Hummer looks. The new Hummer looks badass. Here’s the deal. Here’s the deal. But I’m not getting one because I don’t want to contribute to global warming.
JOE ROGAN: Did you want to contribute to global warming?
ALEX JONES: Let’s be serious. Did you know. Did you know that on average, more carbon is spent for electricity into a car than 93 octane gasoline?
JOE ROGAN: Well, I would believe that because I would think it takes a lot to make an electric car. But once.
ALEX JONES: No, no, no, that’s. No, no, no. Transmission lines, you lose up to the half of transmission. And most of it’s coal powered, brother.
JOE ROGAN: So most per megawatt, it’s more so when I’m plugging my Tesla in, and I think, because I like to think I’m a good guy, I’m plugging my Tesla in, I’m helping save the world. I’m not. Because I’m contributing to power.
ALEX JONES: No, you’re driving. You’re contributing to putting carbon dioxide back in and oxygen and reterraforming the planet. You’re doing a badass job. The biggest energy guzzlers. Electric cars are badass. They are putting out more carbon than anybody. Yeah, they don’t come out the tailpipe, they come out the power plant top.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but what about—
ALEX JONES: I love electric cars.
JOE ROGAN: Carbon.
ALEX JONES: Yeah. Team Carbon. Carbon.
JOE ROGAN: How do you feel about carbon? Okay. How do you feel about nuclear power?
ALEX JONES: I absolutely hate it.
JOE ROGAN: Why do you hate it? Isn’t it clean?
ALEX JONES: Joe, I’m not trying to tear you up.
JOE ROGAN: Don’t tear me up. I don’t know anything. I told you, I’m a moron.
ALEX JONES: No, no, no, no. I used to be for nuclear power.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, what happened?
ALEX JONES: I actually did research.
JOE ROGAN: What research did you do?
Nuclear Power Plants and Safety Concerns
ALEX JONES: They’re always saying it’s totally clean, no problem. But then you can look at the UN’s own numbers, which I believe. International Atomic Energy Agency. Look this up. CBS News. 94% of nuclear plants are leaking at dangerous levels. Look this up. Pause.
JOE ROGAN: Jamie. 94% of nuclear power plants are leaking at dangerous levels. Isn’t the problem that we’re using old tech like now, you see, you’re smart.
ALEX JONES: And I’m like this. You always know everything, Joe. The average power plant age is 36 years. Almost all these power plants are—life is 20 to 35 years. Fukushima was already a decade older than—
TIM DILLON: It was supposed to be.
ALEX JONES: A General Electric model using plutonium.
JOE ROGAN: Radioactive leaks found at 75% of US nuke sites.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, it’s worse than that. It’s 94%.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, well that’s not—that’s not good.
ALEX JONES: I don’t know why 94 doesn’t pop up. That’s in the US.
JOE ROGAN: Wouldn’t it be possible with innovation that they currently have access to?
ALEX JONES: Yes, yes. You talk about corrupt companies. I don’t listen. If people actually ran these right? And the executives. Here’s an example. BP, I think oil’s great. It has toxic problems. We should clean it up. We should find alternatives. There’s all sorts of clean energy. We should go to that. You know, isn’t—solar’s great. Whatever. They’ve got fission, fusion, a bunch of stuff coming down.
The Deepwater Horizon Disaster
Take one of the best films out there because it’s so accurate. Because I had lawyers on from the—I read the transcript of the trial. The Event Horizon with BP. They literally have all these degreed engineers out there. And BP calls them up from England to Houston and says, “You’re spending $25 million a day on the super deep experimental well. We’ve decided to not pour concrete.” They call it mud in on top this.
The executives say, “We’ll save $25 million a day if you dump water.” And all the engineers went, “We have mathematical equations, just like water boils at a certain amount.” Okay. We have a certain number of chromosomes. This is fact.
TIM DILLON: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: And they on record go, “You’re fired if you don’t order them to dump water into it.” So they follow the order, dump water in for five days, and it blows up because water didn’t have enough pressure to hold what was going to be coming out when they finally hit that giant oil and gas deposit down there at 20,000 feet under the ground or whatever, it was super deep. Well, it was deeper than that. So you watch that movie with Kurt Russell and the rest of it and you know, Marky Mark, wasn’t Event Horizon.
JOE ROGAN: The one where they—they find—
ALEX JONES: I’m sorry. Event Horizons, where they go—
TIM DILLON: Yeah, Event Horizon is a spaceship.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s what—
ALEX JONES: I’m sorry.
TIM DILLON: I’m trying to remember oil in Event Horizon.
JOE ROGAN: I’m like, wait a minute. Lawrence Fishburne, right?
ALEX JONES: Here’s my—
JOE ROGAN: They go to hell.
ALEX JONES: Here’s my—here’s my brain.
JOE ROGAN: Deep Water Horizon. Yeah, but pull up Event Horizon because that’s a great movie.
ALEX JONES: I love that movie. It’s like they go into hell, they go into a new dimension, also about people. But see how my brain got that wrong? It was not on purpose.
JOE ROGAN: No, it’s okay. That’s the shit. He pulls his eyeballs out and tells everybody. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah, that’s a great fucking movie.
ALEX JONES: Pure evil. Listen, I’m not trying to rant here. What I’m telling you, Joe, is it’s the same thing with nuclear power plants. Why would the executives at BP order their engineers to do something that was—
JOE ROGAN: Going to blow up?
ALEX JONES: They just said, “You engineers are full of crap. We’re going to make money. Do—”
JOE ROGAN: They might just be arrogant engineers on Adderall and they made a big mistake.
ALEX JONES: Well, no, no. Yeah, that’s what could be.
JOE ROGAN: Could be.
ALEX JONES: That’s what happened.
JOE ROGAN: That is what happened.
ALEX JONES: Well—
JOE ROGAN: Well, those guys are probably tweaked out, right?
ALEX JONES: Those—
JOE ROGAN: Those executives.
ALEX JONES: But I’m saying it wasn’t engineers, it was the executives.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but executives. That’s what I’m saying.
TIM DILLON: Why do you think they were like, “Keep pouring water in it. Keep pouring water in it.”
ALEX JONES: Because they were insane.
JOE ROGAN: Right?
ALEX JONES: I mean, that’s what I’m saying about—
JOE ROGAN: The engineers are at the mercy of these executives who don’t have the degrees the engineers have. And they made a crucial error, and they forced the engineers to do something. That was all—
Climate Models and the Sun
ALEX JONES: And so I was agreeing with you about we should listen to scientists and engineers. I was just going back to your point that, yeah, we don’t know about the warming. We don’t know what it’s doing. The models they all use on warming factor out the sun, right? And you can’t factor out the sun in an equation. I’ve had other scientists that factor the sun in, and they think, despite all we’re doing, that within the next 200 years, we’re going to a very serious, deep ice age.
TIM DILLON: I think Alex’s point is that in all of these things, there are legitimate things. You know, Covid has—there are real things. People getting sick, global warming, you know, to an extent, I’m sure is happening. Of course it’s happening. But then there are also nefarious characters that want to use that to take away your freedom.
There are people that don’t want you owning a car. There’s all these legacy systems. Whitney Webb, who’s a journalist who came on my show, said a lot of people didn’t want to reopen the economy until they remade the economy and got rid of all these legacy systems. Like, and this is a document with Eric Schmidt was the head of Google.
ALEX JONES: And you can look it up.
TIM DILLON: And they were saying, you know, they were considering these legacy systems, like cash, private ownership of cars, you know, things like that, like getting rid of all of these things that are distinctly American ways of life, and just saying that—
Control Through Technology
ALEX JONES: Like, we don’t want you to own a car. This is the most important thing that’s been said here today. It’s in my notes.
JOE ROGAN: One step at a time, though. Why would they want to get rid of private ownership of cars?
TIM DILLON: Because they want control of people. And if you allow them to drive their own cars and use cash and run their own businesses and live in their own home—
JOE ROGAN: But let’s start with cars.
ALEX JONES: Vertical integration.
JOE ROGAN: Let’s start with cars. Don’t you think that maybe the concern is they’re looking at the future of autonomous vehicles, which would drastically lower the mortality rate on highways? And they’re saying—
TIM DILLON: I mean, are they concerned—are the people that run this country, Joe, concerned with the mortality rate? I mean, they’re bombing other countries. They’re doing this—
ALEX JONES: They want centralized control.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, please.
ALEX JONES: Steve Wozniak the former, the founder of Apple. Stop holding the best AI is not as good as an ant brain.
JOE ROGAN: Hold this thought. Yeah, but hold this thought.
TIM DILLON: The mortality—
JOE ROGAN: Listen, you can’t think if people are—
ALEX JONES: In the woods with hoods on.
JOE ROGAN: But the people would at Google that are working on autonomous vehicles. Yeah. They’re not the same people that are trying to control governments all out, but—
ALEX JONES: It’s controlled by those guys. All of those people at Google want—
TIM DILLON: To usher in a brave new world. They want to remake the world in—in the way that they want.
JOE ROGAN: All these people, some of them are—
ALEX JONES: Just writing software to make a better picture.
TIM DILLON: There’s a lot of them that are not.
ALEX JONES: Joe, Joe, I wrote on the fucking voice of reason.
TIM DILLON: You know, this is possible.
JOE ROGAN: I’m not high there. You should be high.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, you’re very combative, Joe.
TIM DILLON: These are utopians. They want to create a paradise on earth.
ALEX JONES: Joe, I brought you through control. I brought you the documents.
TIM DILLON: Joe, Joe, we have the documents.
JOE ROGAN: I’m sucking on a cigar like it’s a jelly donut. I’m hoping I get to the weed on the inside. I’m like, I’m licking the outside.
ALEX JONES: What do you got there?
JOE ROGAN: Piece of paper?
ALEX JONES: What does it say?
JOE ROGAN: What does it say? What does it say? I think it’s confirming. Looking forward to the end of humanity. Well, what is this? See? Okay, but it’s a person. Who wrote this? It’s Adam Kersh. He’s probably got a pistol in his mouth right now.
ALEX JONES: No, that’s the Wall Street Journal cover story.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t really mean that, Adam.
Transhumanism and Technology
ALEX JONES: I apologize. That’s the Wall Street Journal cover story. May I please tell you what I came here for forth.
JOE ROGAN: You came here for a reason.
ALEX JONES: Yes.
JOE ROGAN: Hold on, here it is. “COVID-19 has spotlighted the promise and peril of transhumanism. The idea of using technology to overcome sickness, aging and death.” Okay, but what is he saying?
TIM DILLON: I used to fall asleep every night listening to Alex talk about this. So I want to let Alex talk about this—
ALEX JONES: Until they took him off YouTube.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but make this the way I feel.
TIM DILLON: Sleep every night.
JOE ROGAN: Not only do they do that, but do you know that they took a Young Turks podcast? Young folks podcast.
ALEX JONES: Let’s talk about that in a minute. Can I please—can we get some weed?
JOE ROGAN: Progressives. Yeah, we can get some. We got some on the outside.
ALEX JONES: No, you need it.
JOE ROGAN: No, I can’t.
ALEX JONES: If I blow it at you like you got a cat high, does that not cheat it? If I blow it in your face.
JOE ROGAN: I can’t do it.
ALEX JONES: I’ll blow it in your face.
JOE ROGAN: I can’t do it. Listen, I’m getting kind of hot from the cigar.
ALEX JONES: Well, you listen. I need to talk to you.
JOE ROGAN: I’m a little light headed. All right?
ALEX JONES: I’m going to—I’m going to go get some apple juice and I’m going to pray to Jesus we—
JOE ROGAN: Got some in here.
ALEX JONES: Listen, listen, I need to talk to you.
JOE ROGAN: Go grab some bottles and some…
TIM DILLON: Apple juice for the transhumanism discussion, please.
ALEX JONES: Listen. You wonder why I’m so crazy.
JOE ROGAN: No.
ALEX JONES: Because I discovered this stuff right out of mainline documents. And I’ve known it for 26 years. 27 years.
JOE ROGAN: Well, here’s another thing. Let me tell you something I like. We all know that you fucked some things up, right? And your biggest fuck up is Sandy Hook. But you’ve gotten so many things right. This is why I keep talking to you about these things and why I defend you and why I think that it’s fucking dangerous to censor you and to say, oh, this guy, we need to get him deplatformed. Get all these things. You’re revealing some things that have been proven on the show so far to be true that make people very uncomfortable.
ALEX JONES: The first thing I was going to do was thank you for having me on, having the courage.
JOE ROGAN: But I was going to say the fucking Bohemian Grove thing.
TIM DILLON: The Bohemian Grove thing, that was a mate. That was the first time I really got into what he was doing. And that was like amazing. I mean, when you watch that movie, watch that, you know, it’s…
ALEX JONES: It’s paradigm shift.
JOE ROGAN: I’ve had people try to minimize that. I’ve had people…
TIM DILLON: Yes, they all do.
JOE ROGAN: I go, listen to me, I’m not a billionaire.
ALEX JONES: Well, I’ll give you the real take on it because I’ve been there and I think it’s just a gateway to things. But let’s get into me. Roman, a moment. I really want to give you. I want to give you the big enchilada.
JOE ROGAN: The big enchilada.
ALEX JONES: Okay. Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Just like mole sauce.
ALEX JONES: Yes, sir. Just like I’m… I love mole sauce.
JOE ROGAN: I do too.
The Post-Human Era and Corporate Control
ALEX JONES: Just like I’m saying, the engineers mean well. A lot of them have good points. I’m not saying they’re wrong about all this stuff. I’m simply telling you I’ve read what the globalists have to say in their own establishment communication. And I have it right here in my notes to talk to you about the post human era and the system that they are setting up, where in all of their main publications they say humans are flawed. Humans are bad.
JOE ROGAN: They are, but they are flawed.
ALEX JONES: Right, but then these corporations are saying they’re going to take us out of our bodies, make a silicon. And that’s what Elon Musk talks about. Beware of those that worship AI gods.
JOE ROGAN: Well, he’s actually talking about Neuralink, which is something where they’re going to be able to interface with your brain and increase the bandwidth in which you access information. But go ahead.
ALEX JONES: Well, that’s it.
JOE ROGAN: And so it seems inevitable, doesn’t it?
ALEX JONES: No, it’s not inevitable. Already driverless cars don’t know a wreck up ahead or what to do. They have more accidents. Steve Wozniak, as I was saying earlier, the founder of co-founder of Apple, says the best AI isn’t a million percent, you know, close to how good an ant’s brain is.
JOE ROGAN: Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. When they first developed cars, they said, well, how are you going to take them? There’s no road.
ALEX JONES: Sure. AI power roads.
JOE ROGAN: Here’s the… If you understand that the AI that’s powering these cars now is not…
ALEX JONES: You understand the people running the AR predatory anti-humans that say they want to get rid of Musk is not.
JOE ROGAN: A predatory anti-human.
ALEX JONES: No, I didn’t say he was.
JOE ROGAN: But I understand he’s working on autonomous vehicles.
ALEX JONES: He said, beware those that speak of AI gods. Yes.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. A lot of people are worried that… Look, Elon is more concerned. Don’t give me one of those. You keep that shit away from me, mother. He doesn’t drink.
ALEX JONES: Good.
TIM DILLON: Thank you.
JOE ROGAN: He’s sober.
ALEX JONES: All this extra.
TIM DILLON: I’m sitting next to Alex Jones. I’m as high as I can.
ALEX JONES: Election night.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but listen, listen. Election night, we’re going to get lit. But these guys who are making this…
ALEX JONES: Look at Hollywood, this is fake. This is only corn syrup coloring.
Technology and Human Innovation
TIM DILLON: Do you think this is a good idea though? This idea that we should be expanding our minds in this way and putting chips…
JOE ROGAN: I don’t think it’s good or bad. I think it is the nature of human innovation. I think we take things, we improve upon them. We do that with everything. No, one at a time. There was… They had Morse code, right?
TIM DILLON: Yes.
JOE ROGAN: They went from Morse code to you being able to send me a FaceTime video. Understood. Well, these things happen.
ALEX JONES: Hey, Joe, we’re not against technology. We’re not against technology.
JOE ROGAN: I understand you’re not against technology, but what I’m saying is if you follow technological innovation, it becomes better and better and more and more invasive.
ALEX JONES: We need to design it where it doesn’t make us obsolete. Humans take control of their environment. We build our environment. The globalists have decided to have a post-human future where humans are no longer relevant.
TIM DILLON: This is where you lose money.
ALEX JONES: I can show you their damn clothes.
TIM DILLON: But he’s getting me.
ALEX JONES: Because I just gave you an article. I just gave you an article because…
TIM DILLON: I think he’s right. I think the only reason we’re still around is because they haven’t figured out how to get robots good enough to get rid of all that. If they had the right robots, there would be no Walmart. Get rid of everybody.
JOE ROGAN: You don’t think that if they were the right robot…
TIM DILLON: Right.
ALEX JONES: Obsolete. They’re making us all. Get rid of the warrior. Danger, danger, cooler.
JOE ROGAN: I like to go to Walmart. Is that okay?
ALEX JONES: Not.
TIM DILLON: But once you have a robot, you won’t want to go to Walmart.
JOE ROGAN: Why?
TIM DILLON: Because it’s, it’s, it’s dirty, it’s filthy. Everyone’s got Covid.
JOE ROGAN: I listen to…
ALEX JONES: That’s why they’re doing the Covid is the posthumous. You’re not essential under Covid they listen. They’re not essential. They want to train you. Okay, listen. Look how calculators were great. No one knows how to do math now. Look how phones are great. No one knows their numbers anymore. All the statistics show that the science of technology is making us dumb.
And that’s why they wrote the big article. The co-owner of Sun Microsystems in 2000, Bill Joy wrote “Why the Future Doesn’t Need Us.” And he explains he went to a top billionaire tech conference and they made the decision to not let humans sit around and play video games of the future. That they were just going to slowly phase us out and kill everybody.
JOE ROGAN: Stop. They’re not trying to kill…
ALEX JONES: Okay, pull up “Why the Future Doesn’t Need Us.”
JOE ROGAN: But why do you think they’re trying to kill everybody?
ALEX JONES: But why wouldn’t they?
TIM DILLON: Can we reverse engineering the question?
ALEX JONES: Because we’re called useless eaters.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t think they’re trying to kill people. I think they’re trying to improve what a person is. What I think we’re doing…
ALEX JONES: Oh, by chopping ourselves balls off.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, well you’re going to go down another rabbit hole, you son of a bitch. By increasing our ability to access information and by becoming a sort of a symbiotic creature aligned with technology.
ALEX JONES: And once we’re aligned with AI can censor everything we do. You think Big Tech… The minute Big Tech got control, they began censoring. And it’s the groups behind that are very predatory.
JOE ROGAN: Joe, I do agree with you there.
ALEX JONES: There’s no firewalls.
Big Tech and the First Amendment
JOE ROGAN: I do. Here’s the problem. The First Amendment currently does not apply to big tech.
ALEX JONES: Right.
JOE ROGAN: I believe it should.
ALEX JONES: And I believe they’re violating cartel laws. I believe organized…
JOE ROGAN: I believe that what’s happening now with whether it’s Twitter or Facebook or YouTube, these platforms are so big. I think the argument can be made that they are utilities and that they should be regulated like utilities. It should be a human…
ALEX JONES: We did not agree. We did not have access to these things. We did not talk about what we’re going to cover pre to this.
JOE ROGAN: We’re going to talk about a lot of things.
ALEX JONES: This is what I wrote last night.
JOE ROGAN: Weed for you. I want you to take it down a…
ALEX JONES: Not the Silicon Cult.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, go ahead. It’s another article.
ALEX JONES: No, I wrote this.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, you wrote it.
ALEX JONES: These are talking points. The Silicon Cult. Defying the enemy. The war on carbon. Announce up front that I am not really a liberal or conservative. I want a pro-human future. Please listen to me and hear me out.
JOE ROGAN: Let’s stop right there. Because you get called a neo-conservative, you get called alt-right, you get called a far-right person. When I first met you, you were protesting against George W. Bush and you were saying that what he was doing and what he was trying to usher in was essentially going to be the downfall of Western civilization even before he was elected. Yes, I remember that.
So when people say Alex Jones is far right guy, I’m like, he’s complicated. He’s really against corruption more than he’s against any particular party. You just found that the right was less apt to censor you and more apt to listen to your ideas.
ALEX JONES: Exactly. And I know we’re all not stoned today and so we’re being a little aggressive, but here’s the deal. Election night, if I’m gracious enough to be here, or you’re gracious enough, I’ll be here. We’ll get hammered. But listen, let’s get into Bohemian Grove. Let’s get into the technocracy. Let’s get into who runs things. Let’s get into the mindset. Whatever points you want. And I’ll try to shut up and go through it.
JOE ROGAN: This is Tim Dillon’s Willhouse.
TIM DILLON: This is because you’re saying they want mortality on the road.
JOE ROGAN: Look at this. Thin, young, handsome, boyish, baby-faced Alex Jones.
ALEX JONES: That’s 2004, but yeah, I mean, I knew you in like ’98. I met you in ’98, but then I got to know you. This was…
JOE ROGAN: When you were ’98. Was when you were protesting.
ALEX JONES: And this is my clip. You guys are welcome to play this. It’s really good. Yeah, I’ll sign a… Sign a form.
JOE ROGAN: What is… What is going on in this?
TIM DILLON: He’s interviewing a lizard.
JOE ROGAN: Let’s know.
TIM DILLON: This is…
ALEX JONES: This is a lot of different newspapers.
JOE ROGAN: And that’s the Bohemian Grove.
ALEX JONES: You want to start it over? It’s David Gertie.
TIM DILLON: Let me tell you.
ALEX JONES: Let me set it up. Let me set it up. Okay. Right when he goes, David Gergen, I’m outside. What’s the main thing in New York where everybody plays?
The Bohemian Grove Confrontation
JOE ROGAN: By the way, this is when Bill Hicks was alive, so I can confirm that you are not Bill.
TIM DILLON: Madison Square Garden.
ALEX JONES: Madison Square Garden. And here comes David Gergen, the coral robe of four or five administrations. And I knew that he was part of the actual ritual at Bohemian Grove, so I bring it up to him and he blows up at me. Here it is. He’s like 8 feet tall. Just a few questions about the convention.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: Is there a camera or, yeah, right there.
TIM DILLON: Just about.
ALEX JONES: Yeah. I just want to get your permission first here. Okay. Just, it’s local. I’ve got, no, I understand. Just about a minute or two.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, great.
ALEX JONES: We’re talking to David Gergen. And he has advised several presidents and of course has written quite a few books and is a, I would call you a political pundit or researcher. Commentariat over the Hill. Whatever. One last question. I read a Washington Times article many years ago where you had a comment about the organization. And then now it’s been in the Wall Street Journal. It’s been in a lot of different newspapers, and that’s the Bohemian Grove.
And back in, what was it, 1996 when you joined as a Clinton adviser, they were, the Republicans were criticizing you. “Oh, what about Bohemian Grove?” And then you counter. And then you countered them by saying, “Hey, I don’t run around in the woods naked.”
JOE ROGAN: What did that mean?
ALEX JONES: Here is the before mentioned Washington Times.
JOE ROGAN: Article where he said, “I didn’t run around naked like they do.”
ALEX JONES: I don’t know what, I don’t know what quote you’re referring to.
JOE ROGAN: I’m not aware of any quote like that.
ALEX JONES: Listen, I am happy member of the Bohemian Grove. I like the folks who come there. And it’s really inappropriate for me to talk about the group beyond that.
JOE ROGAN: Thank you.
ALEX JONES: Have you been there for the ceremony with the Cremation of Care? Frankly, I don’t think that’s something I need to talk to you about.
The Cremation of Care Ritual
JOE ROGAN: Now, what we’re watching for people that are just listening is a bunch of people wearing robes that are burning an effigy in front of a giant statue of Molech the owl God.
TIM DILLON: And it’s the effigy of a child.
JOE ROGAN: Well, I don’t know what it, that, it’s.
ALEX JONES: What it is. It is.
TIM DILLON: I think it’s the effigy of a child.
JOE ROGAN: It looks like a grown woman to me.
ALEX JONES: It’s real mad right here. And.
TIM DILLON: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: Okay, watch this. Frankly, that’s, that, I don’t. Back it up five seconds. We missed it. I said you take part in the ritual. Back it up five seconds. I’m Alex Jones. That’s something.
JOE ROGAN: Formation of care.
ALEX JONES: Frankly, that’s that. I don’t think that’s something I need to talk to you about.
JOE ROGAN: Really?
ALEX JONES: That’s right. Well, I’m Alex Jones and I snuck in there in 2000.
JOE ROGAN: I’m the guy that blew it wide open and got the video.
ALEX JONES: It’s been on national TV. Well, I disrespect you for that.
JOE ROGAN: You do, I do.
ALEX JONES: But it’s a lot of big public officials going in there. Don’t we deserve to know? You took it under. I don’t know anything about you and I don’t know anything about your film, but if you go in there with an understanding, you violated that understanding by releasing that film, and I don’t respect you for that. Really, I’m sorry. You took an understanding when you went in there that you would not do that film, and you did you have an understanding when you went in there?
JOE ROGAN: No. Did you crash it?
ALEX JONES: Yes.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: And it has no trespassing signs there, too, doesn’t it? No, they put after. Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry, sir.
JOE ROGAN: I’ve been there before.
ALEX JONES: I know what I want. The circumstances are. And I’m sorry you violated the understandings. That was not, that was not a gentlemanly thing to do. What about the ritual? Is the ritual gentlemanly?
JOE ROGAN: That’s all the people, these heads of state and billionaires.
TIM DILLON: That’s the other thing.
ALEX JONES: They run the world. I don’t owe you this comment. You have, this is what’s called ambush journalism, and I disrespect you for that as well. So thank you and goodbye. That’s none of your damn business. Oh, all right.
JOE ROGAN: Listen, I was getting cocky.
ALEX JONES: You go around and make understandings with people and violate them. You ambush people on the streets and that’s inappropriate form of journalism. If you wish to practice that, that’s fine, but don’t ask other people to respect you for it. You want to.
JOE ROGAN: You, you can do.
ALEX JONES: You’re free American. Like, anything you want. If you want to be uncivil and.
JOE ROGAN: Rude and ungentlemanly, that’s up to you.
ALEX JONES: But don’t expect the rest of us to say, “Oh, well, you’re Mr. Gergen.” I’m sorry. Nobody sets policy in there. We try to be gentlemen, and obviously, you don’t belong there. Weaving spiders come.
JOE ROGAN: Not here.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, that is a three pointer anyways. That’s a three pointer.
The History and Purpose of Bohemian Grove
TIM DILLON: Listen, you could ignore that. If it was a bunch of poor people in the woods doing that.
JOE ROGAN: These guys. Even then I’d be worried. Even then it would be weird.
TIM DILLON: These guys are the top of every industry in America.
JOE ROGAN: It’s at least curious who goes in there.
ALEX JONES: Well, people are, I mean, Clint Eastwood’s gone. He’s not really a member. Look, look.
JOE ROGAN: Is it fun?
ALEX JONES: Look, it’s 2,700 acres. It was set up by Mark Twain, and it was a liberal deal for hookers and gay dudes and just everything else. Just a big, huge.
JOE ROGAN: Would you say gay dudes?
ALEX JONES: What, gay dudes? Gay.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, gay dudes.
ALEX JONES: No, I’m saying if you go back to the 1870s, when Mark Twain set up, it was classically liberal. It was partying. It was their own 27 acres. It was saloons. They brought in female hookers. You know, there was gay guys in there. Everything. It was just, it was Bohemian Groves, where they called that because people do whatever they wanted. It was, it was open, and they had poetry, and they had plays and all the rest of it.
Then by the time of Howard Taft became president, the Republicans basically bought him. So the reason it’s important is the Republicans go there to, they ship in all these private hookers, all these jets land nearby. But they also have a lot of gay sex, which they use then to basically compromise people into the cult. And so there’s a lot of gay sex.
JOE ROGAN: How do you know this?
ALEX JONES: It came out in news articles. No one ever got footage of it. I was in there for one day. I snuck in. I looked good back then. They hit on me a lot. I had people I recognized from TV walking around, “Hey, let’s go right now.” I mean, it’s a big gay hookup deal for Republicans. I’m just telling you what it is.
And then they’ve got this ritual that’s only the feeder group. So I’m sitting there during the ritual, and I’m like, “Hey, this is pretty cool.” But you go, “Shut up or I’ll kill you.” And they’re all taking it very seriously. And I’m not saying it’s a gay thing. I’m saying some of that goes on.
JOE ROGAN: You were saying it was cool and people were getting angry that you were saying no.
ALEX JONES: I mean, I was just quietly going, “Oh, this is really interesting.” They’re like, “Shut up. This is a very important ritual.” And they were taking it very serious. This hearse comes in with the body of a child. It is an effigy. They’re not killing it.
JOE ROGAN: It’s just a bundle of sticks. Right?
ALEX JONES: Yeah. Well, it looks like a kid. No. Later. Others infiltrated later that worked there and got his photos of, it’s an image of a kid. It’s a little kid.
TIM DILLON: Because Moloch in biblical is who they sacrifice the Canaanites.
ALEX JONES: It’s a bull. But they do it as an owl. But they do it as an owl. Yeah, but that’s from the Bible.
TIM DILLON: As you would sacrifice a child to Molech.
ALEX JONES: “Give not your children to the fires of Moloch.”
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: And so I’ve given it to experts in religious history. It’s not even, you know, from Christian perspective. It’s a Phoenician deal mixed with Babylonian and religious stuff from Tyre. Yeah. It’s quirky.
JOE ROGAN: Look at that. Look at that owl God. And look at the fire underneath the owl God.
ALEX JONES: And there’s Ronald Reagan.
TIM DILLON: I mean, if you saw that. If you were in the woods and you just saw that, you would be terrified.
ALEX JONES: And Richard Nixon said. Richard Nixon on the Richard Nixon tape says it’s a gay orgy.
JOE ROGAN: Richard Nixon said that.
ALEX JONES: You can pull up Richard Nixon talks about.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, Richard Nixon said something about it where he.
ALEX JONES: “The most goddamn faggot thing you ever seen.”
Nixon’s Tapes and the Grove’s Reputation
TIM DILLON: I think it’s, I think it’s just allowing.
ALEX JONES: Well, nothing against. That’s what it’s saying.
TIM DILLON: I think it’s guys that aren’t gay that are, that are that engagement gay acts in the woods and then they have something on each other similar to Epstein’s island where.
ALEX JONES: That’s right. That’s what it is a rich. It’s a, it’s a.
JOE ROGAN: It’s a.
ALEX JONES: It’s like a fraternity doing. I got to screw that Persian is.
JOE ROGAN: Hold on a second. What is this here?
TIM DILLON: And they don’t allow women.
JOE ROGAN: No, it says founded in 1872 by a group of male. That’s the context that YouTube Bohemian Grove.
TIM DILLON: This is the title of the video.
ALEX JONES: See, I told you found it.
JOE ROGAN: 18 Richard Nixon, Bohemian Grove. “Most faggy goddamn thing he could ever imagine.”
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Yes. Play it 100%. Play it. I want to hear this.
ALEX JONES: The Nixon tapes.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Let me hear this.
ALEX JONES: Let’s look. Let’s, let’s look at Northern California.
JOE ROGAN: Northern California.
ALEX JONES: You know what’s happen. San Francisco just gone clear over. But it isn’t. This is just not an Iran part of town. But the upper class in San Francisco is that way.
JOE ROGAN: The bohemian drove that I attend from.
ALEX JONES: Time to time the Easters and the.
TIM DILLON: Others that come there.
ALEX JONES: But it is the most faggot goddamn thing you will get rid of San.
JOE ROGAN: Francisco crowd because the San Francisco crowd goes in there. It’s just terrible. Okay. So weird.
TIM DILLON: The owl and the, it’s interesting and it, I don’t know how seriously they take it.
ALEX JONES: I mean that’s a real question. Right? I mean the whole gay thing’s a side issue.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
Ted Gunderson and the Finders Cult
ALEX JONES: The point is that I’ve talked to people that, I mean, according to Ted Gunderson, first time I ever heard about this was from this former high-level FBI agent who’s going to be the FBI director. But he wouldn’t go along with corruption, so he wasn’t. It’s on record. Gunderson almost became the FBI director.
TIM DILLON: He blew up like the things like the Franklin scandal.
ALEX JONES: And the Finders and the Finders cult.
TIM DILLON: Which was huge, was where the CIA was caught trafficking. You know, the Finders is a cult that was caught trafficking children. And the CIA squashed the Florida.
ALEX JONES: And then Gunderson got it raided in D.C. and found a whole CIA facility.
TIM DILLON: With the snuff films machine.
ALEX JONES: And so he told me about all this and I thought he was crazy.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: Even though he was Ted Gunderson.
JOE ROGAN: You told us about it and we actually pulled up one of those stories.
TIM DILLON: And I was correct.
JOE ROGAN: Yes, you’re correct.
ALEX JONES: Yes.
TIM DILLON: Thank you.
Bohemian Grove Members
ALEX JONES: So Ted Gunderson is the reason I know about this. And he said that they get people interested with that ritual. Most, there’s like 2,000 members. They bring about a thousand guests. Not everybody can bring a guest. Like the head of each camp can bring a guest. Most of them are nice. Clint Eastwood goes there, you know, Danny Glover goes there. But it’s an all male deal.
JOE ROGAN: Who’s the other one?
ALEX JONES: Danny Glover.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, Danny Glover. I just mentioned who’s Lethal Weapon.
TIM DILLON: Danny.
ALEX JONES: I saw him in there. How is he in there?
JOE ROGAN: They probably like him from the movie.
TIM DILLON: Just a fun guy.
ALEX JONES: I saw him when I was there. I saw Danny.
JOE ROGAN: Interesting.
TIM DILLON: I’m starting to believe this is not. I’m starting to believe we can get in. I’m starting to believe.
ALEX JONES: It’s not that Joe Rogan, they’d have him in immediately.
JOE ROGAN: Not now.
ALEX JONES: Do a podcast in front of the owl. But I just want to say that overall, it started out as a truly artsy, liberal thing that I think is good. I think guys deserve to go off the woods like we’ve done since humans and party and do whatever. Right. And so it’s. But the thing is, then the weird skull.
Here’s what happened about 1900. Skull and Bones, that was at Yale in New Haven, Connecticut. That was a German death cult. It took over Bohemian Grove and that’s when they set up that as the central deal. So it’s this big inviting, fun party.
Skull and Bones Origins
JOE ROGAN: What happens to Skull and Bones? Because that’s one of the other rumors about Skull and Bones. I know they compromised you so that you were always a part of this organization.
ALEX JONES: Before he died, I did multiple interviews with Anthony Sutton, the top congressional advisor to Senator Frank Church. And we only know about Sutton because Charlotte Iserbyt, whose father was high-level Skull and Bones, gave him all of their internal manuals. And she’s been a frequent guest. She’s retired now.
JOE ROGAN: “America’s Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones.”
ALEX JONES: Yes.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
ALEX JONES: And so this is a Russell Trust. True Illuminati. Illuminati set up 1776 to counter our revolution by Adam Weishaupt. It funds the Jacobins. It funds the French Revolution. It’s the opposite of a true egalitarian, open, liberal revolution. It’s the leftists always say they’re the liberal. Liberal and leftist are two different deals.
Leftist is left-hand path. Satanism. Liberalism is egalitarian, open society. True liberalism. And so the left-hand path set this up. And then they wanted, they sent all this opium money they had over in 1831 to Yale to set up a German secret society of the Illuminati, which then has become one of the dominant secret societies. And in there they do actual satanic rituals. They get in coffins.
They do simulated human sacrifices. They have gay sex as part of the ritual. They bathe in huge facilities of feces. This was made by Robert De Niro. Made a movie.
TIM DILLON: Skull and Bones. They’re doing that stuff now.
ALEX JONES: Absolutely. I know somebody broke into it, but wow.
JOE ROGAN: How can this be proven?
ALEX JONES: Well, Matt Damon made a movie called “The Good Shepherd,” I think.
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
ALEX JONES: And Robert De Niro directed it. Okay. And that’s super accurate. Where it’s got the sword and the devil. And they’re in there in these big vats of excrement.
TIM DILLON: They did leak a Facebook photo album of a bunch of Skull and Bones kids hanging on a deer island. That kind of looked like losers.
ALEX JONES: I know they’re not.
TIM DILLON: I know they’re not. But they kind of look like losers. I mean, it was kind of like.
JOE ROGAN: A lot of billionaires look like losers.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, they look like emaciated. You were like, these are the Illuminati. It was kind of like.
ALEX JONES: No, I totally agree with you.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
Skull and Bones Rituals
ALEX JONES: Remember ABC News because they wanted to get Bush in trouble. Right before the 2004 election, another frat was able to, because they’re all doing this crap, shoot video down into it where they’re going, “Devil equals death. Satan.” And they had girls they finally brought into the membership. It was all boys before. Yeah. Sacrificing. So of course it’s idiotic. It’s training wheels for what they do. But inside they go grave rob. They’ve got Geronimo’s skull.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
TIM DILLON: George H.W. Bush stole, supposedly stole Geronimo’s skull.
ALEX JONES: Yeah. You got to do things like.
TIM DILLON: I don’t know if that.
JOE ROGAN: But that’s.
ALEX JONES: That’s a legend rumor thing. Yeah. Well, I broke into one time the police went in there. But the point is that Skull and Bones Order 322 is the Illuminati Germanic death cult that now set up chapters all over the US and it took over Bohemian Grove around 1900.
And so that’s why Bohemian Grove is still this artisan deal of elitist artist. But then it got co-opted by the Republican Party and Skull and Bones. And Helmut Schmidt, German Chancellor, wrote “Men in Power” as a political retrospective. When he retired in the late 80s saying, “I love our Illuminati rituals that we have in Germany in our own sacred groves. But I think they’ve taken to a new level with Skull and Bones at Bohemian Grove. And I really enjoy the time we have there.”
TIM DILLON: So these are just these elite institutions where, and Skull and Bones, I think they seek to like, create close friends amongst people that may not know each other. Create loyalty amongst this group of people.
ALEX JONES: That’s why they got to tell them all the things they’ve done.
TIM DILLON: You got to tell them all the sexual history, all that stuff. They want these people to be loyal to each other. So when they, they’re not loyal to the laws of America, they’re loyal to this oath that they take with each other.
ALEX JONES: Exactly. And like a team America look at this.
Geronimo’s Remains
JOE ROGAN: “Descendants sue Skull and Bones over Geronimo’s bones. Documents show George H. Bush and George W. Bush’s grandfather robbed Geronimo’s grave. Members of the Secret Society allegedly steal valuable things and put them in tomb. Great-grandson says Geronimo should be buried in accordance with tradition. Federal law protects Native Americans’ rights to their family members’ remains.”
ALEX JONES: Let’s expand on that, what he just said, because this guy’s done. He’s studying. It’s like, thank you. It’s like a team America when the head guy goes, “Silly person.” Who’s ever said, I’ve, no, no. Nobody says. He goes, “Suck my cock, Gary.”
It’s not about sex in Skull and Bones in Bohemian Grove. What he says, most of these guys are not gay. It’s an act of dominance. Like, oh, you’re a senator. You want to be president. Bend over and like a former president screws you in the ass. And that’s what they do. I mean, the ritual is, I’m in charge. Bend over.
JOE ROGAN: Well, isn’t that a thing with fraternities anyway? Like hazing the jizz on a cracker.
ALEX JONES: Exactly. So it’s the next deal.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, but most people in fraternity, I mean, these are the top kids. These are kids that they think are going to occupy leadership positions in the world.
JOE ROGAN: And often do.
TIM DILLON: And often do. So even.
ALEX JONES: Let me give an example. Even John Ronson saw the photo with me when we snuck in Bohemian Grove.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: And they had it hanging in. And people say, why don’t you get a video? I have a camera hidden right here. It’s Henry Kissinger bent over in a woman’s dress, sticking his fingers in his ass.
TIM DILLON: Bill Clinton in a blue dress with Jeff, in Jeff.
ALEX JONES: Jeff Epstein’s house.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but that’s just an artist rendition. Do you know that? That was just an artist made that.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, but maybe this was an artist’s rendition. We’re in a clubhouse.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: Ronson wrote about this.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, so it’s a photo or a painting?
ALEX JONES: No, it was a, it looked like a photo, but let’s just say it’s a painting.
TIM DILLON: I don’t know.
ALEX JONES: I wasn’t. It’s ancient memory. 20 years ago. Okay, 20 plus, you know, but I mean, Ronson’s like, look at that. I’m like, is that Kissinger? Yeah, it’s Kissinger. It’s all about being improper. And they all go get caught to compromise each other, to be in the club. It’s a hazing thing so that they.
JOE ROGAN: Can trust each other because they’re all doing shady shit.
TIM DILLON: Yes. Even if it’s an artist rendition. Why does Jeffrey Epstein have it in his townhouse, a picture of the President in a blue dress?
JOE ROGAN: Well, because the President flew in his plane.
TIM DILLON: Well, that’s what I mean. That’s what I mean.
Clinton and Epstein Connection
ALEX JONES: And by the way, Ghislaine Maxwell is now come out in court is getting no attention confirming, okay, Clinton did fly to that island that broke four days ago. It’s got zero.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, no, they’re not paying, they’re not paying attention. We haven’t heard anything other than those court documents.
ALEX JONES: Listen, listen, I told you, listen guys, it’s not like I’m even that special. My mom’s brother was a famous helicopter pilot in Vietnam, running black ops into Laos and Cambodia and stuff. And then he, I shouldn’t tell these stories, but no one’s ever heard this stuff. But you know, I remember growing up him telling me this stuff and it was true. Like they were like, I’m not going to do it.
JOE ROGAN: The point is, please, what’s the problem?
ALEX JONES: I just can’t do it.
JOE ROGAN: What’s the danger?
ALEX JONES: You said so much. Well, no, I mean, let’s just say he took the fall for something that was going on. He didn’t get in trouble for it. He got promoted and he was involved in Iran-Contra.
TIM DILLON: And that’s how people get promoted. They fail upward by taking a lot of times the blame for something or this is, that’s like.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, so I grew up, I mean I grew up not just him, but other family, you know, that was, it was like something special, you know. But those Navy SEAL guys, you got a security done a bunch of crazy stuff. That’s what our military does. It’s not what you hear on the news.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: And it’s just completely out of control stuff. And I mean my uncle told me, he said, yeah, I know I got out of working for these groups and everything as you know, an army officer that was sheep dipped. He wasn’t there. He wasn’t wearing an army uniform with stuff he was doing.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: We were talking high level, like we’re talking running the real stuff. Like right. He had, he was in charge. He liked the command base of Guatemala City.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: Because he was like a top Morse code guy.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: Of course they had satellites there, but nobody could read this Morse code coded. So he was sending stuff to the White House. Morse code. Like he was like when he was a kid, he was a champion Morse coder. So he wasn’t just in Command. He was like running all the stuff and he just said I had to do it because he said it was kids being smuggled out of orphanages by the CIA for sex ops in D.C. Jesus.
TIM DILLON: Right.
ALEX JONES: He told me that. He told me that when he was dying of pneumonia. Jesus.
Compromising People Through Children
JOE ROGAN: Now what is it with kids?
TIM DILLON: Why is the way to compromise people?
JOE ROGAN: It’s the.
ALEX JONES: It’s the energy too.
TIM DILLON: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: I mean, if somebody will hurt kids and he would. If somebody will hurt kids, what else?
TIM DILLON: They’ll do anything.
JOE ROGAN: But that’s what everyone’s so terrified of today, right? That there are some sex trafficking and.
ALEX JONES: Sex cult and there’s 10 times over. 10 times people.
JOE ROGAN: But that’s like.
ALEX JONES: And they are though.
TIM DILLON: But that’s a fact.
JOE ROGAN: Right? But if you want to get the.
TIM DILLON: QAnon, shit gets wild and it’s sloppy and messy. And you’ve talked about that too. It gets sloppy and messy and they’re not right about everything. But the idea there are human traffic.
JOE ROGAN: The.
ALEX JONES: The entire QAnon is just people on the Internet. They’re playing games, larping, acting like they’re taking credit for something. And a lot of them are good people. It’s just that you can give them bonafide, look, they just busted a giant child trafficking ring. Associated Press. They don’t want that. They want. No, there’s underground bases and there’s dinosaurs. They don’t want the real.
JOE ROGAN: So is it that they’re just into things that are just huge, more ridiculous than reality?
ALEX JONES: Yeah, because it’s escapism. And Hillary’s in prison secretly.
TIM DILLON: I think they just learned about the world over the last year and it melted their mind.
ALEX JONES: You’ve been looking at Joe a few months ago. You crystallize it perfectly. Yeah, they’ve been asleep. Now they’ve woken up and now they think everything’s a cartoon version. We’ll say what you said.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, well, it was just like. Again, it’s if you didn’t know anything about the Franklin scandal, you didn’t know about Epstein, or you hadn’t read these books, you didn’t know the stories your uncle told you. And then eventually you just found out there was an island where all these politicians were going to and having sex with kids and they were getting compromised, your mind would melt and then you would get paranoid and then you would start thinking that everybody’s a pedophile and that there’s tunnels underground when the reality is it is bad.
But sometimes you have to take a step back and take a breath and realize that there are good people and not everybody is evil, but there is a lot of evil out there. But you got to take a step back and try to realize what is what.
JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s one picture of Clinton getting massaged by this woman and they were using it as sort of evidence. But the woman’s clearly a woman. She’s in her 20s.
ALEX JONES: And they were saying she’d been working for him since she was 15.
TIM DILLON: Let’s never use Clinton as the example of the QAnon people being wrong.
JOE ROGAN: Not even what I’m saying. There it is. That’s a grown woman. She’s a grownup. Yeah.
ALEX JONES: So listen, let’s be clear. The media did a limited hangout. They went with these whistleblowers instead of all the other people. And the fact that the witnesses reported at Epstein island in the Caribbean, Little St. George and on the other island too, that boats would pull up in the middle of the night to these shacks with little brown kids. And those are the ones that get disappeared.
JOE ROGAN: But who reported this?
ALEX JONES: It’s in major documentaries. It’s in Netflix documentaries. It’s in all the witnesses we talk to. And they said, my witnesses, my people I talked to over 10 years ago said, you remember me telling you about it, they’ve got an island in the Caribbean, they’ve got an island in the Mediterranean, that they’ve got ranches in the Southwest. And that they.
JOE ROGAN: Well, he had a ranch in New Mexico, right?
ALEX JONES: Yeah, that came out later. I wasn’t told exactly where.
TIM DILLON: I mean, the idea that these kids would disappear potentially isn’t crazy.
JOE ROGAN: No, it’s not crazy at all.
TIM DILLON: It’s not crazy at all.
Hollywood Cults and Branding
ALEX JONES: Here’s an example. I was told by a high level source that major Hollywood producers by name ran a cult where they branded women next to their vagina.
JOE ROGAN: The NXIVM thing.
ALEX JONES: But I put it out two years before it broke. I was told this by high level source.
JOE ROGAN: I remember you talking to me about it.
ALEX JONES: And then they even had articles going in Huffington Post. Jones claims Harvey Weinstein’s connected to groups that, you know, do all this. And I was just going off what people told me and I said, I didn’t even say Weinstein. That’s what’s crazy is they were already trying to cover it in case I said that. They’re “oh, Weinstein’s not involved.” The branding women. Well, it never even came out. He was. It was the other guy. So it’s just.
JOE ROGAN: But what you said did turn out to be true.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: As fantastic as it sounded, as outrageous, as ridiculous, it turned out to be true. First time, now it’s in the news.
ALEX JONES: First time I ever heard of Ted Gunderson. We pull him up. Ted Gunderson, it’s on Wikipedia. Up to be FBI director. He was the head of LA. Imagine what he learned there. He’s telling me, he goes, man, I’ve been in the FBI 20 years, I got to be the head of LA. It was this devil worshiping everywhere. Blew me away, you know, pedophilia, you name it. He knew about the Manson thing really being in the satanic ritual.
TIM DILLON: And there was a senator from Nebraska named John De Camp who I know.
ALEX JONES: He was friends with, who he was friends with.
TIM DILLON: And John De Camp was a guy who. He blew the whole thing wide open.
ALEX JONES: He was CIA.
TIM DILLON: He blew the whole thing wide open. CIA, you think? But he was.
ALEX JONES: Told me I was friends with. He was one of the good ones. He was involved in Operation Phoenix. And then they kill.
The Franklin Scandal and William Colby
TIM DILLON: Well, that was his mentor. So De Camp’s mentor was a guy who was a high level CIA guy who. Jamie could pull that up. He was in a Phoenix operation and he was killed. And I think in the canoe and, you know, the dinner was still on the table.
JOE ROGAN: He was killed in a canoe? Yeah.
TIM DILLON: This was a high level CIA guy. John DeCamp was a Nebraska senator who broke open this human trafficking operation.
ALEX JONES: By the way, I’m having.
TIM DILLON: No, it’s a pedophile cult that was trafficking kids across America. And it was centered out of the Omaha Federal. Omaha Federal Credit Union was being run by a guy named Larry King, who was this rising star in the Republican Party. He’s probably still alive. He has pictures of Maureen Reagan, all that stuff. These kids were being trafficked to DC, to LA, to New York, wherever.
DeCamp stumbled upon this. Stumbled upon the occult. Weird ritual shit going on too, in addition to the pedophilia and all that. And then he went to this guy, his mentor, who we knew from Vietnam, from the military, who was a CIA guy whose name is escaping me.
ALEX JONES: William Colby.
TIM DILLON: William Colby. He went to William Colby. And William Colby basically said to De Camp, listen, you’re going up against forces that are way too powerful. You don’t even know what you’re knocking on here. And then William Colby, I think, changed his mind and said, “you know what we should stop doing? If we’re going to fight this, let’s fight it.”
And then a little while later, William Colby, who is in great health, tries to. Has an accident in his canoe, is found dead in a river right by his house with his dinner still on the table. So nobody gets up in the middle of the dinner to go canoeing. So this has been a common theme forever. Whereas if you go against these people, you find you’re dead.
JOE ROGAN: He was 76 when he drowned, though.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, but in a canoe while his dinner was still on the ground.
JOE ROGAN: Sometimes people have heart attacks when they’re 76.
TIM DILLON: I understand.
JOE ROGAN: I understand.
TIM DILLON: I understand that.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, we’re connecting dots here that maybe we don’t need to.
ALEX JONES: Okay.
JOE ROGAN: William Colby, Director of Central Intelligence, chose to disclose some of the nation’s darkest secrets to save the spy service he loved drowned on April 27 in a tributary.
ALEX JONES: I talked to folks. They killed him.
JOE ROGAN: He was 76.
TIM DILLON: How about Gary? This guy, Gary Caradori, who was a private investigator hired to get to the bottom of the.
ALEX JONES: Like Barry Seal, man. They’re getting rid of the people.
TIM DILLON: They just get rid of them.
ALEX JONES: All right, so listen, we’ve done Bohemian Grove. Senator De Camp was on record running major level Operation Phoenix, which was a high level CIA torture operation and execution operation. So Apocalypse Now is kind of based on some of the things they did. But he’s on record, highly decorated at that.
Back to Epstein
JOE ROGAN: I don’t want to go too far away from the Epstein thing, so I still have a whole lot more questions.
ALEX JONES: Let’s go back to Epstein.
TIM DILLON: Okay.
JOE ROGAN: The island itself. First of all, Epstein had this crazy place in New York City, seven story palace that the guy who owned Victoria’s secrets, he gave it to him.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, because they’re probably blackmail, right?
JOE ROGAN: And then there was other billionaires who had turned out had. And this is had been glossed.
ALEX JONES: Over and including Bill Gates. Bill Gates stays there and tried to deny it, but Bill Gates denies staying with Epstein, but confirmed he stayed there and in his Paris home.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, and this was also. He met with him post his first arrest, correct? Yes, because he was arrested.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, a lot of people did.
TIM DILLON: Chelsea Handler at dinner with him, I believe, after the arrest, too.
ALEX JONES: I mean, a lot of people looked past that, apparently.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, that British royal.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein many times despite his past.
ALEX JONES: And they’re going to say, Jamie’s really fast.
JOE ROGAN: He’s the best.
TIM DILLON: He’s the best.
JOE ROGAN: So let’s go back to this where he’s getting that huge interest in tech.
TIM DILLON: He loved tech. Yes, yes. And he wanted to. He brought scientists and big tech people over his house in New York City.
ALEX JONES: Here’s the deal. They were doing. I said this over 10 years ago, that they were involved in secret breeding programs for cloning.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, before we get to that, scientists, how were they getting these. Where are they getting all the money? First of all, where’s he getting the money? Get this island. Where is he getting the money to buy this giant or get.
ALEX JONES: He was. We now know that he was a nexus point from the dirty sides of the CIA, MI6 and Mossad, at least. Yeah. And so they were compromising people. And then as he would compromise people, most of them knew they were being compromised. They wanted to be compromised, to be let in, to then run operations and be given even more money.
TIM DILLON: He was also the money manager for a guy named Les Wexner, who’s a billionaire, who owns Victoria’s Secret, the Limited, among other things.
JOE ROGAN: That’s the guy.
TIM DILLON: He was gifting Epstein a property. He gave him a 70 million dollar mansion.
ALEX JONES: Well, that’s where he got some of the first money.
JOE ROGAN: Well, Eric Weinstein, who was a legit financial guy, looked at him and said, this guy doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.
ALEX JONES: Of course not.
JOE ROGAN: He said, he’s playing a role.
TIM DILLON: And then scientists were like that too. When they went to his house, they go, oh, Epstein is like playing a role.
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
TIM DILLON: He has no. You know, so whatever he’s doing, he’s working for somebody.
The Corruption of Scientists
ALEX JONES: Well, let me tell you, they want to corrupt the scientific elite to go along with their agenda on climate change, to go along with their agenda on viruses, to go along with their agenda because they know scientists are respected. So you want to have them compromised. So they go on whatever it is you want.
JOE ROGAN: So whatever it is you want. So if you want to do something and manipulate reality to make your agenda go through, you compromise the scientists and then these elite experts who you have on film having sex with 16 year olds, then you.
ALEX JONES: Yeah. So maybe man made global warming is real and really bad. Doesn’t matter. The solution they have is a global tax. You pay them. So it’s a scam.
But as big as Epstein was, he was small compared to these other finders groups and other organizations. They even came out in the news at the time, in the late 80s, early 90s. And then the communist Chinese, they’re running the blackmail rings with Hunter Biden and the Democratic Party and Dianne Feinstein and all these people at levels way, way, way above anything anybody else has seen.
JOE ROGAN: Jesus Christ.
TIM DILLON: I always got a bad feeling from Dianne Feinstein.
JOE ROGAN: I never had anything turned out her.
ALEX JONES: Her main assistant was a Chinese actual agent. Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Glenn Maxwell Powell pleads for release, says jailed heiress starving in humiliating clothes.
TIM DILLON: And that’s unfair for her. And I think, I mean this is.
ALEX JONES: What an elitist statement you should give her. Oh, oh, she, I mean, on record, this woman was involved in all these horrible things and now, oh my God, she’s in humiliated clothes.
JOE ROGAN: Why do you think Trump said like when they asked her about it?
ALEX JONES: Well, I wish it. Well, he’s always smartass like because, because Epstein was killed in prison. So he’s like, I wish her well because they want to get data.
TIM DILLON: He’s also like a rich guy.
ALEX JONES: He knew her, right? I mean, well, he let her clarified it. I gave you. I’ve done what he said.
Trump’s Background and Influences
TIM DILLON: Do you think Trump’s cleaning everything in, in this? I mean.
ALEX JONES: Oh, you want to get the M.O. on Trump?
TIM DILLON: Well, I would like to because I know that you’re.
ALEX JONES: I’ll give you. No, no, here we go. My only superpower is that I really try to give you the accurate thing that I mean I’m always right about 95% of the time. That’s why earlier went down that rabbit troll. What I’m saying, listen, Trump doesn’t like lobbyists. He fired them all. He’s trying to make the best decisions for everybody in a pragmatic free market to not have one sided trade deals.
But his blind side was by him not letting lobbyists in. Everyone around him became unofficial lobbyist. That became a 20 minute rabbit hole, which I’m not bitching about, but let me tell you about Trump. Trump’s dad was a super right wing pro America dude who was actually a huge funder of the John Birch Society. Introduced him to the head of the House Un-American Activities group that worked for Nixon and Eisenhower that actually ran the Red Scare. Some of it was good, some was bad. Roy Cohn. And so his personal lawyer for 25 years was Roy Cohn, who was like.
TIM DILLON: Joe McCarthy’s best friend.
ALEX JONES: Right? Joe McCarthy’s chief of staff.
TIM DILLON: Chief of staff, yeah.
ALEX JONES: I mean he ran it.
JOE ROGAN: He ran it.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, he ran House incident. He was the, he was the big enchilada. And so Trump was actually heavily influenced by his father that was anti-communist, acted nice and liberal in New York, but like knew all this John Birch Society, like, you know, we’re talking whole nine yards. Well, wasn’t Roy Cohn also involved in some blackmail stuff. Oh, he was huge.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
TIM DILLON: All right.
ALEX JONES: Absolutely. And it was a whole gay mafia stuff. Right, Right, Right, right.
JOE ROGAN: Thanks. Christ, you guys are deep. You’re deep in this.
ALEX JONES: I know that.
TIM DILLON: Yeah. I know this.
ALEX JONES: Well, I fell asleep listening.
TIM DILLON: Every night I would fall asleep, I’d listen to about a half hour, and then I would trail off him.
JOE ROGAN: And.
TIM DILLON: I would fall asleep. And now I can’t do that anymore. Thank you, YouTube, you can.
ALEX JONES: Infowars.com I know we’re halfway into this. I should say, people ask where. People come to the street, they say, I used to love you. I’m sorry, you’re off air. Now. We have record traffic at Infowars.com and Banned Video. Banned Video. We have videos. I’ve had videos this week with 3 million views. 2 million views. A million views. Yeah, it’s all there.
TIM DILLON: My producer, Ben Avery, watches Infowars.com like, during holidays, his family would be having Christmas.
ALEX JONES: He’ll be in a room watching info.
Censorship and QAnon
JOE ROGAN: So, speaking of censorship, YouTube and Facebook have now banned all the QAnon stuff. Right.
TIM DILLON: Which is crazy.
JOE ROGAN: Well, this is what’s crazy. Like, what’s next? You going to ban JFK conspiracy theory?
TIM DILLON: Well, if I make a joke about QAnon, am I going to get banned?
JOE ROGAN: That’s the other problem for conspiracy.
ALEX JONES: But it’s like you said, the Young Turk show, first time about the Young Turks.
JOE ROGAN: What is the show that the Jacobins. Because Tim Dillon had put the. The show he put. I’m going to send it to you, Jamie, so you can see what it is. I’m going to send you the video that Tim Dylan, or excuse me, Tim Pool had sent me. I’m going to send it to you right now, Jamie.
ALEX JONES: So let me explain this, okay? The Young Turks are anti free speech for everybody, including me. And then she goes, but I’m not anti free speech. I just want Alex Jones banned. But then they have this new show called the Jacobins.
Well, let’s talk about evil. The Young Turks were the group that ran the Armenian genocide. They ran the Armenian genocide on record. Kill over a million and a half Christians. They named themselves the Young Turks. They go, oh, we don’t know what that means. Now they’re called the Jacobins. The Jacobins ran the French Revolution and were the Illuminati. I told you about them earlier. So it’s like every name they’ve got is like the Hitler Youth, basically. I mean, you know, the Young Turks.
JOE ROGAN: And that is a very unfortunate name, the Young Turks.
TIM DILLON: Well, they also People run around with, you know, the people that watch a.
ALEX JONES: A lot of those shows walk around with.
TIM DILLON: Either the Che Guevara shirts or they’re unironically calling themselves Maoists. These are like suburban white kids walking around going, I’m a Maoist.
ALEX JONES: This is an $800 smartphone.
TIM DILLON: Right.
The Problem with Censorship
JOE ROGAN: That is a problem, too. I think they’re trying to do good, and I think they think they are doing good. I really do. I think when they thought that, hey, I’m not anti free speech, but ban Alex Jones, they just don’t understand what that means. There’s a reason why you can’t just go around censoring people. And again, the answer to bad speech is better speech. Right. That has always been the answer.
ALEX JONES: But here’s the big problem. Once they silence you, they can then make up whatever they want. People all the time. It’s worse, Alex.
JOE ROGAN: And this is you personally. But the problem is when they silence someone with a censor someone, and then that person’s not the. That’s. That’s not the target anymore, they look for another target and they invariably go left. They invariably.
ALEX JONES: Exactly. They get on a power trip.
JOE ROGAN: But hold on a second. The left is not left enough. So if you’re a centrist, they’ll call you alt right.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Because you need to be compliant completely with the ideology. If you’re not compliant, they. They will. They keep moving what’s acceptable and what constitutes racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, transphobia.
ALEX JONES: It’s a power grab, but they keep.
JOE ROGAN: Changing it and they move the line. Orwell talked about this in 1984. Yeah. He was like, if you ban all the words, if all.
ALEX JONES: You. You will.
JOE ROGAN: You will. Literally, you will. You will change thoughts because you can’t have all the. I forget Orwell’s words on reducing language.
TIM DILLON: He said what?
ALEX JONES: They want to reduce the language where no one’s even able to communicate. And that’s the goal. So we think of it as a leftist thing that’s out of control. No, this is science.
JOE ROGAN: I paraphrased it and I fucked it up. But the point is, what they didn’t see, they didn’t use hindsight. They didn’t. They.
ALEX JONES: Well, they didn’t. It’s called Ingsoc.
JOE ROGAN: Well, what they. It’s so hard to talk with you. What they didn’t do is they didn’t.
ALEX JONES: Look, Joe, you know, this goes.
JOE ROGAN: I do. They didn’t look to where this goes. They didn’t understand. They didn’t extrapolate. They didn’t say.
TIM DILLON: Or maybe some of them did. And some of them wanted to go.
JOE ROGAN: If you start censoring, there’s a real. And I know people are saying, no, you should censor people that say terrible things because they influence our children. And you, you can’t.
ALEX JONES: But Joe, it’s a power grab. They get off. Once they’ve got one scalp, they’re going to scalp everybody, including themselves.
JOE ROGAN: That’s the motivation of the people that are doing it. That’s not what I’m concerned with. What I’m concerned with is the problem itself because you keep finding a new target. You keep finding a new, a new person who’s doing something. That’s, that’s what I’m saying.
ALEX JONES: They don’t want to give up. They want more, more, more.
JOE ROGAN: But it’s not that they’re trying to grab power. It’s that you’re always trying. Look, you’ve started a game. Started a game.
ALEX JONES: They’re losers and want to control reality because they’re projecting their own hatred of themselves on us.
TIM DILLON: You don’t think part of it is that they want power to control the discussion?
JOE ROGAN: There’s most certainly a part of that. That’s a part that’s human nature.
ALEX JONES: But Joe, you just said I’m hard to deal with.
JOE ROGAN: Well, because you talk over people when they’re talking. You don’t let them get the full. You don’t let people get a full thought out. They’re in. Tim does it like when he’s. How do it talk?
ALEX JONES: How the censors are good.
JOE ROGAN: What I’m saying is he’s talking and you jump in. And the problem is, I know you have some things to say, but then you mess with the thing that’s coming out of the other person.
ALEX JONES: Okay, explain to me how the censors are loving people. That’s what you’re trying to do.
JOE ROGAN: Not saying they love people, I’m saying they don’t. They’re not looking at it correctly because the way they’re looking at it, they think they’re doing a good thing and they’re going to usher for some utopian world of communication where people are only saying the things they agree with. The problem with that is you don’t find out who’s right unless you get everybody talking.
ALEX JONES: But I agree, it’s worse than that.
The Danger of Echo Chambers
JOE ROGAN: You can’t have an echo chamber. It’s dangerous. Echo chambers are dangerous. And what tech has done is created these left wing ideological echo chambers.
ALEX JONES: I totally agree.
JOE ROGAN: And they’re also forcing people into self censorship because if you don’t comply with the rules that they’ve set forth, then you get banned. So you comply and you find people. It is a cult ideal, ideologically. Listen, it is a cult, Joe. I think there’s a lot of these cults.
ALEX JONES: What I’m trying to say to you is you’ve never been not smoking weed with me on air. You need.
JOE ROGAN: I know it’s a bummer. We should have had you come in a week.
ALEX JONES: You’re angry, you’re upset, but I had.
JOE ROGAN: You to be on before, you know, the election and the.
Election Predictions
TIM DILLON: Who do you think is going to win, by the way?
ALEX JONES: Donald Trump is going to win.
JOE ROGAN: You think so?
ALEX JONES: But then the Democrats are going to contest it and we’re going to have the 79 days of.
JOE ROGAN: Why are all the polls showing that Joe Biden is in the lead?
ALEX JONES: You think it’s all just like last time? They said Hillary was going to win.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but these are the post, post election polls.
ALEX JONES: Joe, what I want to do is talk to you right now.
JOE ROGAN: Why are you talking like that?
TIM DILLON: He’s a funny. He’s a conspiracy phone sex operator.
ALEX JONES: You are right now. I am.
JOE ROGAN: He’s the only one here drunk.
ALEX JONES: This is a real problem, channeling Tim Dillon. He’s Tim Dillon.
JOE ROGAN: That’s not how Tim Dillon talks.
ALEX JONES: Tim Dillon’s looking at you right now.
TIM DILLON: Do you really think that Trump is going to win?
ALEX JONES: Because it’s close. No, he’s going to win big. Interesting. Really?
JOE ROGAN: But they’re think that.
ALEX JONES: But they’re. Listen, I was not trying to interrupt you earlier.
JOE ROGAN: Well, you, this is how you talk. It’s okay.
ALEX JONES: You’re talking. You got passion, Joe. You’ve got compassion.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: You’ve talked twice as much in our last four hour podcast. I love it. This is the sober Joe Rogan. Let’s get back to this.
JOE ROGAN: Trump.
ALEX JONES: What were we arguing about? About political correctness. I don’t know.
JOE ROGAN: But you were saying that. We weren’t arguing.
TIM DILLON: He was saying that the censors. I was agreeing with you. The censors. Some of the censors are trying to do the right thing. And that you were saying, listen, it’s deeper than that. And then that’s where we left off.
Big Tech and China
ALEX JONES: Yeah. It’s all been scientifically set up where they always say, oh, we’re for outliers now and dog whistles. It’s all about normalizing centralized control. Big tech knows it’s psychological algorithms. It’s totally destructive. China that has people in Muslims in death camps, Christians in death camps, Buddhists in death camps, is trying to totally normalize censorship here domestically. When the whole left is involved with communist China through big tech, it doesn’t say a word about them. They have no moral high ground to stand on, Joe.
JOE ROGAN: Well, we have a real problem in this society when it comes to tech, first of all, because all the people that are on the moral high ground who are buying iPhones, you know where those things are being made. We all know.
ALEX JONES: Everybody knows. And I admit it. I admit it.
JOE ROGAN: I admit it as well. There’s no iPhones that are being made in Ohio with highly skilled workers that are paid an excellent wage and they have great health care benefits. That’s not what’s happening. I don’t know why, but that’s not what’s happening. They’ve decided that it’s better to make them cheaper or better to have a higher profit margin and make them in other countries, or at least they decided that initially and now they’re stuck.
ALEX JONES: Let me ask you this. Who do you think is going to win? I will be very subdued now. Sometimes.
JOE ROGAN: Joe Jorgensen. Yeah.
TIM DILLON: I think Joe Jorgensen has a great shot.
JOE ROGAN: She’s a shoe in. And then Kanye West, I think, Joe.
ALEX JONES: Jorge.
TIM DILLON: Is it Kanye West? I think it’s a nail biter. It’s neck and neck.
JOE ROGAN: You know what drives you crazy?
TIM DILLON: Think it’s neck and neck, right?
Kanye West and Jennifer Aniston
JOE ROGAN: Jennifer Aniston was. She made a tweet that said, it.
ALEX JONES: Drives me crazy because you’re hating me right now because you’re not drinking.
JOE ROGAN: Hold on a second. There was a hilarious response by Kanye West. She said, Jennifer Aniston put on Twitter, “Hey, it’s not funny to vote in for Kanye. Don’t do it.” And he goes, “Friends wasn’t funny either.”
TIM DILLON: Hilarious.
JOE ROGAN: He’s right. He’s right. That’s great.
ALEX JONES: Friends was not funny, but it’s.
JOE ROGAN: You see the two of them together? Friends was a funny show.
ALEX JONES: Joe. You were great on Friends.
JOE ROGAN: I wasn’t on Friends.
ALEX JONES: That’s a joke.
TIM DILLON: Who do you think scared? You think Trump?
JOE ROGAN: I don’t know.
ALEX JONES: If you were a Friend’s character, who would you be?
JOE ROGAN: Probably Matt LeBlanc.
ALEX JONES: Right? Will you be Jennifer Aniston?
JOE ROGAN: I don’t think so. Who’s Matt LeBlanc? His name is Joey.
TIM DILLON: Jennifer’s the most successful.
ALEX JONES: I identify as Jennifer.
JOE ROGAN: He was dumb. I’m dumb.
ALEX JONES: Perfect. Wouldn’t you like to have a dentist like Jennifer Aniston? And horrible boss.
JOE ROGAN: She was a dentist. What did she do, molest her patients when they were under? Okay, well, you could be molested by worse people. Well, they’re not kids think it’s funny that they. Yeah, someone who’s an actor would say that. This thing that they feel like they have this influence. They’re going to change the way people vote.
79 Days of Hell
TIM DILLON: This 80 Days of Hell you speak of, what does that entail? Just so I can mentally prepare myself.
ALEX JONES: 79 days of hell.
TIM DILLON: 79 days of hell.
ALEX JONES: 79 Days Without Joe Rogan.
TIM DILLON: What’s going to happen?
ALEX JONES: 79 days of us locked up in here with cases of whiskey and huge piles of marijuana.
JOE ROGAN: He’s lit.
ALEX JONES: No, no, no.
JOE ROGAN: You’re a little lit, buddy.
ALEX JONES: I don’t actually.
JOE ROGAN: I could see that bottle and it was a fresh bottle when you sat.
ALEX JONES: No, that’s. That’s. That’s fake. That’s Hollywood. That’s not Hollywood.
JOE ROGAN: We’re in Texas. I gave up Hollywood years ago. I haven’t worked in Hollywood.
ALEX JONES: Let’s talk about this. What were you just asking? I don’t know.
TIM DILLON: 79 days to hell. If the Democrats contest the election.
ALEX JONES: Problem. 79. See, this is not fair. 79 days of hell. That’s how many days there are after November 3rd to the inauguration. And John Podesta in the New York Times, they had a big war game where the New York Times sat in on a Democrat high level war game with Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and all of them, and they said, “We’re going to contest. We think we’re going to win, but if we lose, we’re still going to contest. And we’re going to contest. And we’re going to call for the U.N. to come in and occupy the.”
TIM DILLON: U.S. the U.N. is going to occupy the.
ALEX JONES: And then. And then the New York Times came out and said, “We need the UN to intervene in the US Election.” And now the Four Horsemen just called for that yesterday. Jesus. And so they are planning to have.
JOE ROGAN: Who’s the Four Horsemen?
ALEX JONES: AOC and the rest of the crew. Oh, Jesus Christ. And so those.
JOE ROGAN: I thought that’s the tribe.
ALEX JONES: Anyways, and so they’re. And they’re planning to have western states. Western states secede. And they’re saying they’re going to hold the election up. You already saw this. They already denied the last election.
JOE ROGAN: They could take Portland. Yeah.
ALEX JONES: Take it all. Take a lot of the 79 days of hell. Let me ask you this. When did you decide to try to escape California?
Leaving California
JOE ROGAN: Well, I told you, the looting when the looting.
ALEX JONES: You told me off air. I know.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. I had zero faith in their ability to maintain law and order. Because if you’re going to pay all that money in taxes, I feel like you should at least feel like they’re protecting things. And when they were just letting them smash windows and cops were told to stand down, particularly in Santa Monica, there was direct orders, and the sheriff was being widely criticized for this. They were told to stand down while these people were smashing and looting things.
When they were doing that, I was like, well, you can’t live in a place where that’s being tolerated, because this goes from stores to, you know, they’ll move to nightclubs, they’ll move to restaurants. They’ll decide what they’re going to smash. It had nothing to do with George Floyd. No, it had nothing to do with him.
ALEX JONES: I agree.
JOE ROGAN: Those restaurants, those stores had nothing to do with George Floyd.
ALEX JONES: And now, in Minnesota, Minneapolis, the crime rate’s triple. The police won’t even show up. They’re. People are, why are you even paying you?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: So what do you think, both of you? Mr. Dillon, what is the end game of this?
JOE ROGAN: I’m going to finish my answer because I’m not done yet. It was also that there were restrictions that were put in place that didn’t make any sense to me. There’s restrictions for restaurants, restrictions for comedy clubs, restrictions for gyms. Why can’t you just wear a mask?
Church Closures vs. Business Operations
ALEX JONES: Why are churches closed but Walmart’s open?
JOE ROGAN: Well, why are churches closed, but why is it okay to protest? Why is everybody okay? Why is everybody letting people protest? Why aren’t they saying, listen, I understand you want and desire to protest, but understand that you’re most likely contributing to the spread of this virus. Because that’s a fact, even if you support the protests.
TIM DILLON: Yeah. The end game seems to be if you let society get bad enough, people will then accept all these more draconian security measures and censorship across the board.
JOE ROGAN: Do you think that’s what’s going on with California? Why do you think they’ve kept California locked down this much?
ALEX JONES: They want to kill the US Economy. China’s been open for six months. They admit it’s leaked out, that they’re doing this to kill the US Economy.
JOE ROGAN: It’s leaked out how?
ALEX JONES: Oh, Democratic Party reports. It’s been stated. You heard Democrats all over the news say, we wanted depression to make Trump look bad.
JOE ROGAN: Who said this?
ALEX JONES: Bill Maher.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but Bill Maher is not a part of the Democratic party. He’s a comic.
ALEX JONES: I know, but I used a public joke.
JOE ROGAN: But he jokes around about that. Okay, well, trash the economy.
ALEX JONES: Okay, well regardless, when Jews try to or Baptists in New York try to have an event, the police show up and arrest them. But then when Antifa or BLM was going on burn stuff down, the mayor says it’s great. And the mayor said, de Blasio said this is legitimate. Antifa’s legitimate. Your church isn’t, your synagogue isn’t. So it’s power. It’s selective enforcement. It’s martial law.
I have articles right here because everything I brought today, I have the proof. ABC News is reporting in blue cities in Texas that they’re going to come to your house and demand a COVID test and if you don’t, they’re going to arrest you. Well, the federal and state courts do that.
JOE ROGAN: Where’s that being said?
ALEX JONES: El Paso, Texas.
Political Motivations and Economic Impact
JOE ROGAN: But I want to bring you back to what you’re saying about crashing economy. You use Bill Maher as an example and I just don’t think that’s a credible example because he’s a comic.
ALEX JONES: Well, he said that.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but he’s a comic and he’s a politician.
ALEX JONES: Comics have bigger coverage than news people. Now that’s what Colbert and all them pose have been used people.
JOE ROGAN: Alex, you can’t use him as an example of someone really a politician who is calling for the economy of the crowd.
TIM DILLON: I think strategically, if I was a Democrat, I wouldn’t want things to open up again until Trump was out.
JOE ROGAN: Right, agreed.
TIM DILLON: I mean, that’s agreed.
JOE ROGAN: If you wanted China.
ALEX JONES: China wants us shut down. China admits they’re using the virus to keep us shut down.
TIM DILLON: You think it’s a bioweapon?
ALEX JONES: Well, I could give you an hour long treatise on COVID-19.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, we’ll get to that momentarily.
ALEX JONES: I don’t want to anger you though. No, I love being here. I’ll sit here and tell fart jokes if you want. I’d rather get drunk and just have a good time.
JOE ROGAN: Before we get to that, but you said something that I want you to back up. You said that the Democrats are trying. I’m not denying the possibility that this is the case, but this seems like if that was the case, it would be a grand conspiracy. That would at least have, you’d have to have some evidence of this to make that statement that they’re trying or they want to crash the economy because they want to maintain power and to change censorship.
ALEX JONES: There are people out there. Okay, we’ve had Governor Newsom. We’ve had Governor Cuomo, Whitmer. Cuomo, exactly. All say the economy isn’t going to be open because Trump’s done a bad job. We’re not going to open until he’s gone and then Whitmer’s even come out.
JOE ROGAN: Wait a minute. Newsom has openly said that? You sure?
ALEX JONES: Yeah. Type it in. I mean, I’m.
JOE ROGAN: But what do you think he said? I’ve never, I’m a critic. I’m a critic of Newsom because of this. He’s become an autocrat.
ALEX JONES: His winery’s open.
JOE ROGAN: But there’s a lot of issues. There’s a lot of issues. So that they close so many things.
ALEX JONES: Joe, Joe, Joe. Globalism was about selling America, often bankrupting us under cloud strategies.
JOE ROGAN: Fine, but don’t change the subject. I’m not specifically what Newsom has said.
ALEX JONES: They can pull it up. Just like I told you about the AT&T.
JOE ROGAN: What did he say that you think? And again, I’m not a fan of him. I’m a critic. Listen, I think you got to give people, grown adults, the choice if they. Look, we don’t have overrun hospitals, we don’t have people dying in record numbers.
Death Rates and Hospital Protocols
ALEX JONES: We don’t have 5% death rates, we don’t have 1%.
JOE ROGAN: The cases and the deaths are increasing. That is true. But as long as there’s a disease, they’re going to increase. The question is at what rate? And the people that are dying, how many of them have comorbidity factors?
ALEX JONES: It’s never about the death rate. It’s always about increasing infection because the death rate’s way down now.
JOE ROGAN: The death rate is way down, Doctor.
ALEX JONES: But the winter hits, they’re going to say it’s flu. And Alex, the colds, they’re going to count as that.
JOE ROGAN: You get me again, when you say the deaths increase, that is going to happen. The question is by what rate and how many.
ALEX JONES: You take the normal flu and pneumonia and morbidity like they did this year, and you add that to the number. They’ve already run the same scam. And so whatever, they don’t count flu as a death or pneumonia anymore. They all count at Covid because they get money on the chart.
They get $50,000 when they call it a COVID death plus when they say that, they get $13,000 to say it’s a COVID patient and they get $29,000 or whatever extra when they intubate somebody. And so now, since when is Congress saying how to do medicine?
JOE ROGAN: Well, isn’t the idea that they’re doing this to give money to these hospitals to help them in the middle of a pandemic?
ALEX JONES: So these hospitals code everything as Covid to get the money that’s come out. They killed most people that died, died nursing homes or died from intubation. When it’s an autoimmune event and you don’t want intubation, it’s intubation that’s killing people.
JOE ROGAN: But they initially thought you did.
ALEX JONES: But that’s why the number. Because it was respiratory and thank God the numbers went down because they stopped intubating.
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
ALEX JONES: So now it’s all about everyone’s being. Before there’s this high death rate because they were intubating and they were counting on. And they were killing old people. As soon as they stopped shipping folks to old homes that weren’t getting vitamin D because no sun, it went like this. So infections like this, you pull up the graphs.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: What’s your science?
TIM DILLON: Pull it up.
ALEX JONES: You know, infections like this, deaths like this.
JOE ROGAN: Right. Well, you’re going up and down. Death down. Now, what did Gavin Newsom say, though, that when you said that? He said, it’s not going to get better until Trump’s out of office.
Governor Statements and Lockdown Policies
ALEX JONES: Well, it’s Whitmer that said that specifically. And he said Cuomo, because I remember that too. But he was just basically like, well, I want to be friends with Trump. There’s been a bad response. We’ve got to keep the lockdown going. And, you know, until Trump does this wrong, until we have a change, it’s going to continue on.
And then it’s always about the power grab. Oh, it’s two years, we have to do it now. It’s first it’s 15 days to keep the hospitals empty, and then it’s, oh, six months, and now it’s two years. And then Gates said a week ago, it’s 10 years. And now they’ve got the people fouching others saying, no, it never ends. You never shake hands. And under the UN rules, they say, don’t look at someone and turn your head. So in Europe, you can type this in. Citizens of the UK told, do not look at other people and turn your head. It’s cult programming, man.
TIM DILLON: I think it’s a pretty common talking point and some people agree with it. A lot of Democrats would say, yeah, it’s not going to get better until Trump is out. Because Trump has made a mess of it. I don’t think Trump’s done the best.
ALEX JONES: That’s what he said.
TIM DILLON: But that’s a common.
JOE ROGAN: What could he have done better?
ALEX JONES: He shut down flights from China in February when Pelosi’s running around in Chinatown saying, yeah, I think it’s a.
TIM DILLON: Pretty common belief that they’re saying, listen, we. So I don’t think it’s a conspiracy or I don’t think you have to find a source. I think it’s like they believe if he wasn’t in that it won’t get better until he’s gone. So I don’t think they actively are trying to make it better until he’s gone.
JOE ROGAN: Exactly what I mean, I do see what you’re saying. I just want to know if there’s evidence. I want to know if there’s an actual statement where he said, when Trump leaves, then we’ll open back up.
ALEX JONES: That’s what, that’s actually what Whitmer said specifically. But he said similar things.
JOE ROGAN: Well, let’s find where I’m going from memory here. I mean, my God, I understand, but that’s why I’m challenging everyone. But I’m challenging you on this because people online are going to want to challenge you on this. So I want.
ALEX JONES: That’s what they loved about our last interview over a year and a half ago, which they loved, was that people could go and actually check the stuff I was saying on no matter how crazy.
JOE ROGAN: And a lot of it is true. So I want to find that quote now, see if Whitmer said that. It won’t get better until Trump’s out of office. In terms of the lockdown. Whitmer, Whitmer.
ALEX JONES: Lockdown won’t end until Trump’s out of office.
JOE ROGAN: Didn’t she lose some court case recently?
ALEX JONES: Yes, the Hearst Supreme Court, but also federal courts have ruled across the country that you can’t order churches to wear masks, you can’t order social distancing. It’s all just getting us to comply.
Mask Mandates and Herd Immunity
JOE ROGAN: Don’t you think it’s a good idea to encourage people to wear masks if they’re going into large gatherings?
ALEX JONES: A lot of studies show that doesn’t even protect you. Listen, listen. Trump told the truth a few days ago when he came out and he said, we’re never going to control this we have to learn herd immunity, or if you’re really scared of it, take a vaccine. And the head epidemiologist of Rockefeller Hospital came out and said that and got banned on YouTube.
TIM DILLON: I mean, listen, Italy did social distancing. Italy did masks. Italy did everything you were supposed to do. And they’re getting clobbered again. So that makes me think that maybe it’s not a bad idea to do these things. But they don’t seem to. They don’t seem to.
ALEX JONES: Sweden didn’t do any of it. And it’s the lowest death rate in Europe.
JOE ROGAN: Right. But it’s also a country of small villages. They have a whole different way of life over there.
ALEX JONES: Italy. Italy is a bunch of three generations living in one house.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: And they have. They’re the oldest people in Europe.
TIM DILLON: Yes.
ALEX JONES: So. Yeah. And they need sunlight.
JOE ROGAN: They need.
ALEX JONES: They smoke.
JOE ROGAN: They’re all good food. Try finding a gym over there.
TIM DILLON: They smoke on the train.
JOE ROGAN: It’s so fun. Every time I go there, it’s hard to find a gym.
ALEX JONES: They listen. Exactly.
JOE ROGAN: They were.
ALEX JONES: Restaurant. Have a rest, Joe. I came out eight months ago and I was selling this stuff, but I said, get it at the store. Vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc and zinc. If you have that on the NIH website, it can’t, according to the NIH website, cannot replicate inside the mitochondria, where the virus plugs into the cell and makes it replicate.
And so I just being like, “Jones claims he’s got a cure.” No, it’s not a cure if you’ve got sunlight and zinc and vitamin C and all these things you need. It’s very hard to get these things. That’s why it’s old people in nursing homes that have been outside in years that are dying so easily. Now, Fauci, finally, two months ago, came out and said, you need vitamin D, you need vitamin C. That is true.
JOE ROGAN: And young Jamie takes vitamin D. And he kicked it in a day.
ALEX JONES: And vitamin C and zinc.
JOE ROGAN: Young Jamie was feeling bad for a day.
ALEX JONES: But I don’t want to argue, Joe. I want to just say, I love Bill Gates.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. I love. I use Windows.
ALEX JONES: I’m looking for the quote.
Billionaires and Public Health Policy
TIM DILLON: I can’t find Whitmer’s quote, specific quote that says that. There’s lots of quotes about them going back and forth, obviously, because they’ve had the public battle. I just think anybody like that, whether it’s Bill Gates or Bezos or anybody who’s a billionaire, if they say, “Here’s a suggested course of action,” they have to expect that they’re going to be criticized.
And a lot of these guys don’t like taking any criticism when they’re issuing edicts. These are billionaires that are saying, “This is how we’re going to live.”
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
TIM DILLON: That’s the next big question, though.
JOE ROGAN: Bill Gates, who is not a health expert, is all of a sudden one of the leading voices.
TIM DILLON: Yes. It’s strange.
ALEX JONES: That’s my next question. Why is Bill Gates, who’s not a doctor, suddenly on TV telling me how my life’s going to go and what I’m going to do? This is the most important part.
JOE ROGAN: Why is this a big project for him?
TIM DILLON: Well, he’s also a guy that wanted to shoot a missile of dust into the atmosphere to help climate change. I mean, very few people in history have had the resources to even think of doing something like that.
ALEX JONES: That’s right. He wants to have jet spray chemicals to block the sun.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
TIM DILLON: And the scientists went, “No good.” They went, “Not a good idea.” So, and then if you call him on that, if you call him on that.
ALEX JONES: He goes, “The conspiracy, the lies.”
TIM DILLON: And the conspiracy theories, it’s like, no, we’re just asking you why you want to.
ALEX JONES: Here’s an example, here’s an example. He went on CBS News and they go, “80% of those taking your vaccine trial getting very sick. Some are dying.” He’s like, “Well, that’s just how it is.” You can pull these clips. Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: He said, “That’s just how it is.”
ALEX JONES: Yeah. He said, “Well, the FDA is going to approve it.”
JOE ROGAN: I like, he’s beat red. Look at you. You blended in with the walls.
ALEX JONES: But, yeah, it’s a problem. That’s hilarious. That’s the problem.
TIM DILLON: It’s a problem.
ALEX JONES: You know, I’m kind of.
JOE ROGAN: This is, listen, this is hilarious.
Political Investigations and Media Coverage
TIM DILLON: For two years, they said Trump worked for, I’ve heard political mudslinging my whole life. For two years they said Trump was an agent of Russia, he was an asset of Russia, the president. Then they did a whole report and then it came out that he wasn’t. There was no proof of it. The CIA, the NSA, everybody. And then they went like this. He went, “Well, we might have been wrong about that.” I mean, it was mind blowing.
JOE ROGAN: One of the most disturbing things to me was when Ted Cruz was cross examining Comey, when he was asking him questions about what they did with evidence and how they document doctored evidence. What do you got, Jamie?
ALEX JONES: Oh, I can’t believe that Brian Redband is here.
JOE ROGAN: He saved us. Brian flew in when Jamie tested positive for cooties.
ALEX JONES: And we had a protocol.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, forever. So we had to have. The protocol was you have to be 10 days and you have to test negative. Three days.
ALEX JONES: Brian Mover.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, Brian’s going to move here. He’s looking at houses right now.
ALEX JONES: You are too.
JOE ROGAN: Tim’s going to move.
TIM DILLON: I might.
JOE ROGAN: You’re moving here?
TIM DILLON: I might.
JOE ROGAN: Come on, son.
ALEX JONES: I know.
TIM DILLON: I got to. I got to. I got some. I got to save LA first from the sake.
JOE ROGAN: It’s not coming back. That I know.
ALEX JONES: Hey, let’s talk about that, please. A little bit of stuff.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: I don’t want to fight, Joe. We’re not fighting.
TIM DILLON: And I’m not.
ALEX JONES: I mean, this much apple juice. I’m having trouble thinking.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. It’s okay. I love you.
ALEX JONES: No. You did this. Just have some.
JOE ROGAN: No, I can’t. I can’t. I made a promise.
ALEX JONES: But on election night, I can pop in. We’ll have.
JOE ROGAN: That’s November 3rd. That’s November. But I will be able to pop in six more. Yeah.
ALEX JONES: We’re very excited.
JOE ROGAN: I have six more days of sobriety.
TIM DILLON: That’s going to be a fun.
JOE ROGAN: But I got to be honest, I’m a little high from this cigar.
ALEX JONES: Hey. You couldn’t have a bigger promo for your election night? I’m glad you actually announced it here.
JOE ROGAN: Well, Kyle Kalinsky’s been asking when he could announce it, so now you know, Kyle. There you go. It’s official.
ALEX JONES: There you go, Kyle.
JOE ROGAN: I’m excited to get everybody in the room and watch.
ALEX JONES: I want to cover some of this.
JOE ROGAN: Real stuff here in real time.
ALEX JONES: Should I show you some stuff? Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: What do you got? Do we ever find a quote for Whitmer?
TIM DILLON: I can’t find anything.
ALEX JONES: Okay. There’s lots of quotes, but I can’t find out. Do you want me to find it?
JOE ROGAN: Can you just Google on your phone, Tim? And I’ll talk amongst ourselves.
ALEX JONES: Okay.
JOE ROGAN: And then we’ll, then we’ll pull up whatever that is.
ALEX JONES: Okay.
TIM DILLON: Gretchen Whitmer. They almost kidnapped her, by the way. No, I don’t have.
JOE ROGAN: I’m just saying Whitmer when Trump leaves office. Quote.
TIM DILLON: She was almost. There was a kidnapping plot against her.
ALEX JONES: No, it’s Whitmer. Which 50% of lockdowns won’t until Trump gone. That’s just. Come on.
JOE ROGAN: Right? Lockdowns won’t until Trump gone. Try that.
ALEX JONES: Whatever. I know it’s true. Find it.
JOE ROGAN: Whitmer lockdowns won’t until Trump gone. He’ll find it. Yeah. The plot to assassinate her. What the fuck?
TIM DILLON: To kidnap her. That was weird.
ALEX JONES: But I predicted up front that it was going to be FBI provocateurs. It turned out the two leaders were FBI informants.
JOE ROGAN: What.
TIM DILLON: What’s even crazier is 52% of the citizens of Michigan agreed with the plot. That’s a joke.
JOE ROGAN: They’re going to edit that part. When you say that’s a joke.
ALEX JONES: Joe Rogan’s guest calls for kidnapping.
JOE ROGAN: This is outrageous.
ALEX JONES: When I went on Alex’s show, Alex.
TIM DILLON: Goes, Snopes always goes and finds jokes.
ALEX JONES: He makes it there go.
TIM DILLON: They go, “Correction, Hillary Clinton is not an Oompa Loompa.”
Social Media Censorship and Free Speech
JOE ROGAN: Did you guys see that? Bret Weinstein’s Unity 2020 account was also banned from Twitter.
ALEX JONES: My producer just told me that his.
JOE ROGAN: Unity 2020 account was, which was calling for a third party, was calling for unity between people on the right and the left to get together and have conversations and perhaps even have an alternative candidate.
ALEX JONES: That’s outrageous.
JOE ROGAN: Well, he’s a scholar. And he’s a guy who became famous because he was a professor at Evergreen University. And the leftist took over the college.
ALEX JONES: When they said, “We’re going to shut it down and whites can’t come one day a month.”
JOE ROGAN: They, they had.
ALEX JONES: And then they banned him.
JOE ROGAN: Yes. Well, they just banned him. They went looking for him in the parking lot with a baseball bat.
TIM DILLON: Baseball bats. Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: It was terrifying.
ALEX JONES: So let me ask the.
JOE ROGAN: The principal was going along with everything. Literally, they yelled the principal, “Don’t gesture with your hands because you’re threatening us.” But he was talking like this.
ALEX JONES: Put your hands. British universities, like Oxford, I think is the one. Look it up. Oxford or Cambridge, one of the big ones. You can’t clap. It’s a microaggression.
JOE ROGAN: Joe. Oh, that’s so crazy. But this is what we were talking about for years, and people were saying, “Why are you concerned with what happens in the universities?” It’s the same thing we were saying about censorship. Because it fucking, it keeps going, doesn’t stop.
ALEX JONES: Yeah. When you.
JOE ROGAN: When you allow that kind of nonsense in universities, those kids graduate and they want to carry these goofy practices into all of these corporations.
ALEX JONES: Ask you about this question now. It’s one of the things I wrote down. I wanted to ask you, Joe and Tim Dillon, what, what happens?
JOE ROGAN: How.
ALEX JONES: Where do they stop? Because they’re going to keep running until they hit opposition, which is starting to happen. How far does it go?
JOE ROGAN: I was hoping there was going to be some sort of a federal regulation. I was hoping that Trump was going to step in and they were going to amend the First Amendment to include social media. Because I think what you’re, what you’re seeing now, the argument that these are just private corporations, I don’t think that argument is valid anymore. Because the impact that they have, the significance of being able to speak or not being able to speak, has massive implications on our election.
ALEX JONES: We see this with the New York Post election meddling.
JOE ROGAN: We see it with the New York Post being censored with this Hunter Biden story. Whether you agree with the story being leaked or not, the fact that the New York Post, which is a legitimate newspaper, as outrageous as they are, and the fact that the White House press secretary gets banned from Twitter for tweeting that link, that’s where it ended. This is crazy.
TIM DILLON: I mean, I think it leads to, sadly, it leads to violence. Because if you take everybody’s ability to communicate away, there’s nothing left to do but commit acts of violence.
The Kennedy Quote and Political Messaging
ALEX JONES: And by the way, that’s a Kennedy quote. Those that make peaceful revolutions.
JOE ROGAN: Jamie found something.
TIM DILLON: This is as close as I could get to what he’s asking to be found.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. “The Trump virus response is the worst in the globe. She said if you’re tired of lockdowns or you’re tired of wearing masks or you wish you were in church this morning or watching college football or your kids were getting in person instruction, it’s time for a change in this country. And that’s why we’ve got to elect Joe Biden.” I mean, that’s pretty.
TIM DILLON: That’s what I mean.
JOE ROGAN: You can make say whatever you want almost.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, but that’s the common sentiment.
ALEX JONES: Right?
JOE ROGAN: Right. The problem is, the problem is if you just take it from “if you’re tired of lockdowns,” you get one interpretation of it. But if you back it up to “the Trump virus response is the worst in the globe. She said if you’re tired of lockdowns.” So what she’s saying.
ALEX JONES: I think we’re splitting here.
JOE ROGAN: You’re not necessarily.
ALEX JONES: Because what she saw a clip of her.
JOE ROGAN: Hope, please.
ALEX JONES: Saying that.
JOE ROGAN: Because that’s the problem with taking something out of context. What she’s saying is we got a wonderful person, Trump. No, I’m not saying that. What she’s saying is that Trump has done such a shitty job. That’s the reason why we’re locked down. You can’t go.
ALEX JONES: I get it, I get it. The headline.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t know if that’s true, though. I think when you’ve got a contagious disease, you got people flying in from Europe and China and all these other countries that are expressing you, you’re going to have spread. This is an insanely contagious disease.
Numerology and Episode Numbers
ALEX JONES: Joe, one of my favorite parts of your show is when you ask Jamie for something and the light turns on when you’re looking at it. Let me ask you this. You’re in the numerology.
JOE ROGAN: How hammered are you right now? On scale? One at a time.
TIM DILLON: We’re into numerology. This is when it gets good.
ALEX JONES: You better. Okay, let’s talk. Just be nice to me, Joe.
JOE ROGAN: I am being nice to you.
ALEX JONES: You got me here. I know you are. Let’s get serious. Everybody wants to hear what I actually have to say. Okay, what was the question? You had me on 911, 1255. Now 1555.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Don’t connect the dots. Just I’m in town. It’s random.
ALEX JONES: Well, you told me you picked 911 on purpose.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that was on purpose. Yeah. It was just fun. But this.
ALEX JONES: Nothing bad.
JOE ROGAN: But this is. See, do you understand how this quote, you could interpret that in a different way?
Democratic Strategy and COVID Response
ALEX JONES: I think Democratic Party strategy, I understand, is to say Trump is to blame for COVID, which, and to say the economy shut down till you get them elected. And that’s what she’s saying. They’re all saying, I understand Joe Biden’s like, we’re going to end this COVID by endless lockdowns once Trump’s out. If you want to go back to normal, do this.
And listen, this is an end of civilization event. The Rockefellers and others put out Operation Lockstep. They’re never going to stop this. They’re going to have COVID tracking, they’re going to have checkpoints, they’re going to have apps on your phone.
JOE ROGAN: So how do we stop this?
ALEX JONES: What Trump came out and did and said, we cannot defeat this with vaccines and with COVID tracking with shutdowns, it’s going to have to be with herd immunity, which is what the scientists actually brought articles.
JOE ROGAN: Why can’t we beat it with what he beat it with? He’s 74 and he eats French fries every day. This motherfucker kicked it in four days. That’s what I’m talking about. That’s supposed to be a death sentence.
ALEX JONES: If you’ve got vitamin D, vitamin C and zinc, it’s very hard to get.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but clearly he’s got more than vitamin D, vitamin C and zinc. He’s got a bunch of medical treatments, right?
TIM DILLON: Well, he was given Regeneron. He was given things that are expensive and probably not widely available.
ALEX JONES: But wait a minute. Jamie’s tested positive. He’s right over there. Or daylight.
JOE ROGAN: Jamie’s young and viral.
ALEX JONES: I’m saying since when does something come along? Civilization is over. Civilization is over because of this thing that came out of China. You’re not even supposed to come. You want to ask where COVID came from and ask what it is.
Tim Dillon’s COVID Experience
JOE ROGAN: Do you feel better about disease now that you kicked it so quickly?
ALEX JONES: How old are you?
JOE ROGAN: How old are you?
TIM DILLON: 37.
JOE ROGAN: 37.
ALEX JONES: At first I was a little worried for the first day.
JOE ROGAN: I was like, oh, here we go.
TIM DILLON: We’re going down like a two week.
ALEX JONES: Three week, four week ventilator time.
JOE ROGAN: Months. Right, right. Because you’ve talked to people on the show that have been fucked up by it. Sure, yeah.
TIM DILLON: How lucky am I going to be today?
ALEX JONES: Is all I was thinking.
JOE ROGAN: And you know, you were also taking all the vitamins. I mean, we got.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, I got all that. We had NAD and all that stuff.
TIM DILLON: Too in my system.
ALEX JONES: I don’t. Maybe that helped. I’m sure that. Of course, statistically they said 5% of us will be dead. It’s not even.
TIM DILLON: Well, they thought 0.1%.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, what they thought.
ALEX JONES: They’re the all powerful gods. It’s like the UN says you will not question us. Big Tech says you will not question anything. The UN says. Meanwhile, the UN’s like, oh, we shouldn’t do a lockdown. It’s killing millions of people. Starvation. But still it’s like we’re keeping the lockdown going. The United Nations said, well, what do.
Lockdown Alternatives and Natural Immunity
JOE ROGAN: You think should be done?
ALEX JONES: I mean, I think we should look at something that isn’t much worse than the flu and say we all need natural vitamins and nutraceuticals and sunlight and health. And people just know they got to deal with it the way it is because we always get diseases, we always get viruses. We always live with the idea we got to lock society out and go into our houses.
And this is a post industrial move that they’re using to roll out these systems to keep us locked down in our homes.
JOE ROGAN: Right. And if you want to be cynical, this is where you step in and say the reason why they want us to be upset and they want the economy to be fucked is because they hate the president and they want him out of office and they want to regain power. They want the Democrats to be.
TIM DILLON: They want to remake the American economy in the image of what they want. They want to remake a lot of these systems that they feel are for whatever reason or unjust or whatever. And they want to use this opportunity to kind of redraw the lines.
The Great Reset and Post-Industrial Society
ALEX JONES: Exactly that after 9/11. Exactly. This is the new 9/11. The UN and the Davos Group all say this is the post industrial world. The great reset. I got a copy of it for it right here. And they say in these documents we are going to reorganize society. COVID is good to shut down the carbon. Carbon is bad. We’re going to end success, we’re going to end prosperity. We’re going to track everybody, we’re going to control their lives, all under the name of COVID. They said all that?
JOE ROGAN: They said we’re going to end success, we’re going to end prosperity. Yeah.
ALEX JONES: In the Lockstep Rockefeller document 2010, they say we’ll have a viral release or a simulated one that creates total fear. We’ll bring in a police state martial.
JOE ROGAN: Law available for someone to read.
ALEX JONES: Absolutely.
TIM DILLON: Wasn’t there something called Agenda 21 or something where they were saying we want people living in cities, we don’t want homeownership?
ALEX JONES: Compact cities? Yeah, you were saying it earlier. They go, oh, it’s for the greater good that we don’t have cars anymore. It’s for the greater good. We have demonstrations.
JOE ROGAN: I was saying what I was doing was playing devil’s advice.
ALEX JONES: You were quoting them.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, what I was saying.
ALEX JONES: I’m not saying you said that, Joe, you believe in that.
JOE ROGAN: I was saying that autonomy. I do believe in cars too. Autonomous vehicles are in the future at least likely to be safer than people just driving and texting.
ALEX JONES: Well, it’s not safe given control of these corporations and robots making ourselves obsolete. We need to build a pro human future.
JOE ROGAN: Well, I’m pro human, but I know.
ALEX JONES: You are much saying you’re not Joe.
Investigating the Rockefeller Document
JOE ROGAN: Feller thing from 2010 sounds weird.
TIM DILLON: I was already looking this up as you mentioned it because I was going down my own little rabbit hole. It says when I first started to find it, my first search, it says there’s a small. A large conspiracy has been built out of a small grain of truth from this document from 2010.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
TIM DILLON: That’s what it starts to say.
ALEX JONES: So I haven’t. Oh, is that Snopes?
JOE ROGAN: Small grain of truth.
ALEX JONES: Yeah. So Snopes is like. God, it’s like.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t think. Is it Snopes that you Google?
TIM DILLON: Let’s focus on the grain of truth.
ALEX JONES: Who says it’s a grain of truth? No, no, it’s Operation Lockstep and it says a global police state will be brought in from a pandemic and there’ll be worldwide martial law. It actually says it in the documents. Okay. It’s like, they always go like, oh, there’s no Hunter emails to admit the emails are real.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: I love that clock.
JOE ROGAN: It is weird that they’re saying TGT studios. It is weird. There’s a document, okay, The Rockefeller Foundation annual report, 2010.
TIM DILLON: I’ll control F. What would you like me to look up?
ALEX JONES: Look up police state. Look up.
JOE ROGAN: Just look at police state.
ALEX JONES: I forget the exact words. I mean, let’s just go read it for yourself.
JOE ROGAN: Control F. Police date came up. This is just one paper. That’s it.
TIM DILLON: I mean, it’s. The whole PDF is here. It’s really, really long.
JOE ROGAN: So when you control F. Police date. Nothing. Okay, what else?
ALEX JONES: I mean, I’ve got. I’ve read it before. It says that, so. Anybody right now?
JOE ROGAN: So you think they edited it?
ALEX JONES: No, no, it’s. I mean, I can’t remember exact words.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, well, let’s look up pandemic. Look up pandemic.
ALEX JONES: Pandemic just means widely distributed epidemic. Means you’re actually sick. Four mentions of the word pandemic.
The Rockefeller Foundation Document Discussion
JOE ROGAN: Okay. All right. “With no network to transfer critical infectious disease information, without open lines of communications, thousands more fall sick. The new, in quotes, disease becomes an unchecked pandemic. By the time the right expertise is brought to bear on the problem, it’s too late. The disease has spread around the globe. In a world of global trade and travel, what’s traded faster and travels furthest are the microbes in every handshake.”
Southeast. So what are they? What is this in reference to? Okay, it says, “A few miles east, young boy is men.” Hold on. Don’t. Please. Go back to that. Yeah, just. It’s just a scenario that they’re painting. So make that a little larger. No, no, go back to it. Just go back to where it was. All right?
“The potential pandemic. The past few decades have severely tested the world’s ability to work across human borders. Detection remains weak. In many parts of the world, the public health response has frequently been slow and fragmented. The looming threat of infectious disease presents humanity with a new challenge to communicate and collaborate swifter and with greater efficiency than ever before.”
That doesn’t sound like they’re trying to end the world.
ALEX JONES: Okay, well, you’re just reading one of these documents. I already, I can pull up the articles. I can show it to yourself. It’s world government controlled. They talk about a worldwide police state. You search the term pandemic. I’m telling you what’s in these things.
JOE ROGAN: Okay. “Emerging pandemics in the century. SARS, avian flu and swine flu.”
ALEX JONES: If we don’t move investigated systems to bring in global government, it seems like…
JOE ROGAN: They’re trying to prevent pandemics. “If we don’t move quickly, viruses will. By continuing our drive to invest in systems that coordinate efforts and share information, the Rockefeller Foundation is working to…”
ALEX JONES: Yeah. Which is the global government control.
JOE ROGAN: “To meet the health challenges of an interconnected world.”
The Terrorism Analogy
TIM DILLON: Isn’t the perfect analogy terrorism? Because it’s like terrorism exists. People want to prevent terrorism, but it’s like, how many rights do you give up in order to do that? And then all these proactive measures that we take to prevent terrorism, a lot of them create more terrorists. So I think it’s like a balance of remaining a free society and dealing with a lot of these…
ALEX JONES: Listen, I sit here. We sit here and we talk about something, and whether Jamie can find it or not becomes the arbiter of whether it’s real. So they found something about an AT&T lobbying. They didn’t find a thing about this. I’ve got the Operation Lockstep documents where they say we’re going to bring in this global authoritarian…
JOE ROGAN: But you have to, then you have to show us those.
ALEX JONES: Well, I mean, I’m sitting here in studio talking to you about this.
JOE ROGAN: But I understand, I understand what you’re saying, but we want to try to…
ALEX JONES: You know, everybody else watching this is going to look it up.
JOE ROGAN: Well, I hope they do.
ALEX JONES: They’re going to go crazy.
JOE ROGAN: I hope we…
ALEX JONES: Oh, that’s good.
JOE ROGAN: Wish we could have found it right then. If it’s real.
TIM DILLON: No, no, no.
ALEX JONES: I know you want to show it.
JOE ROGAN: But it might be an interpretation of what they’re saying. Like the Whitmer quote.
ALEX JONES: Now, it says specifically the Whitmer quote.
JOE ROGAN: Is just a criticism of Trump. She’s blaming all this…
The Whitmer Controversy
ALEX JONES: Lockdown. No, Whitmer was found by the Supreme Court of Michigan and by a federal court to have seized all three branches of governments and basically set up martial law. They even use those terms. She was overturned saying that quote.
TIM DILLON: I want to, when you say, “If you are sick of lockdown and you’re sick of not being able to go to church, Joe Biden should be elected.” Agreed.
JOE ROGAN: That is not a huge jump from what he said.
TIM DILLON: That is not a huge jump from what he said.
JOE ROGAN: No, it’s not a huge jump.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: But the problem is the way it’s being said. She was talking about how bad Trump handled the rate of infection first, of…
ALEX JONES: Of course, and that’s, let’s expand on that. I remember like interviewing Lou Dobbs like 15 years ago back when he was still on CNN. We were looking at documents where it said we’re going to bring in global government, the North American Union, using the threat of viruses, migration flows and economic collapse. And they said like a deadly flu or a deadly SARS.
I’m sitting here watching this power grab, watching the UN and big tech saying, “Well, you can’t say that the UN’s wrong because the UN’s in charge.” Since when is the news who? And all these doctors, all these medical doctors that come out and say other things other than like how steroids cured it or how hydroxychloroquine helped it. How are they being banned? Even if they were wrong, they should have their license removed. That’s what that’s about. It’s not Google decides that if something isn’t the UN, it’s taken down. That’s all I’m saying.
Medical Censorship and Social Media Control
JOE ROGAN: Well, it is a problem that they’re deciding which doctors to listen to and which doctors not to when there is some real controversy as to how to handle the virus with treatment, right? What treatment is effective and what isn’t effective. Now it turns out there’s a lot of doctors that think that hydroxychloroquine isn’t effective. There’s some doctors that thought it was and they think that a combination of zinc and hydroxy. But the problem is the people that are deciding what gets taken down or not getting taken down, that’s huge problem.
TIM DILLON: And the problem is that the doctors who go, “Well, we think,” it’s like there’s, we’ve minimized the voices of the people that are saying one thing right and we’ve elevated the voices of the people that are saying another thing. And it’s like that becomes the real issue whether people like Trump. There’s stuff to criticize about Trump. We all know that and but in…
JOE ROGAN: Their defense, they’re doing it because they think that people are going to do something foolish and they’re going to go out and spread the virus further because…
TIM DILLON: It’s not the media’s job though to. This is the problem. I think the media has taken on this really activist role where they are now…
JOE ROGAN: Worse, it’s not the media, social media, social media companies, not even necessarily the media where you have like legitimate journalists that are taking on…
TIM DILLON: Do you think he would do something in a second term about social media?
ALEX JONES: I think he certainly is going to do something.
JOE ROGAN: Why hasn’t he done something already?
ALEX JONES: Because it’s so complex. Because they’ll claim a selection meddling even though they’re doing that at the same time. What we have is multinational corporations acting in tandem that are already making the nation state obsolete. They’re creating an information warfare monopoly and they’re censoring people and using that power they have. And we just sit here denying it’s going on until it’s too late. I mean, it’s a really serious situation.
JOE ROGAN: And it is crazy. It is a crazy situation where all of these tech companies all lean left. All of them.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, they do.
JOE ROGAN: They lean left and they support. Like there’s no tech companies are out there supporting Donald Trump. There’s no tech companies.
TIM DILLON: What’s very interesting is tech companies are very wealthy people.
ALEX JONES: Right? Right.
TIM DILLON: They’re insanely wealthy.
JOE ROGAN: But David Pakman had a really good point about that, that they like when it comes to their financial dealings, they’re very conservative, very libertarian and conservative.
ALEX JONES: Oh, they don’t pay taxes.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: I mean Google pays almost no taxes. What I’m telling you. Does Apple complain about Chinese slave factories in China? No, it’s just. What I’m telling you is it’s all BS and when you study what they’re doing, I can sit around my phone and pull it up. They talk about in Lockstep, bringing in a global authoritarian system. They talk about riots, they talk about war.
Finding the Lockstep Document
JOE ROGAN: If you can find that article, there are. Jamie, I’ve got something.
ALEX JONES: I found something, but I don’t…
TIM DILLON: I’m trying to understanding what it’s saying because it’s now. It’s like it’s speaking about years in the future as though they’ve already happened. Well, we’re not too far away from…
JOE ROGAN: Let’s see it because like they’re painting another scenario. Just like they painted with that infection scenario archive.org I found.
TIM DILLON: I went to the second page of this link, but this is like scenario narratives. It says Lockstep. It talks about pandemics from 2012 and…
ALEX JONES: The SARS and all sorts of H1N1.
TIM DILLON: So I skipped into the next page just to…
ALEX JONES: While you guys are talking. And this is the part that…
TIM DILLON: That’s a little strange which is getting into what I think he is…
JOE ROGAN: Now, where is that. Can you highlight…
TIM DILLON: Started here? Because it says something about Kenya in 2025 and people being weary of top down…
JOE ROGAN: Okay. “By 2025, people seem to be growing weary of so much top down control and letting leaders and authorities make choices for them. Wherever national interest clashed with individual interests, there was conflict. Sporadic pushback becomes increasingly organized and coordinated as disaffected youth and people who have seen their status and opportunities slip away, largely in developing countries, incited civil unrest. By 2026, protesters in Nigeria brought down the government, fed up with the entrenched cronyism and corruption. Even those who like the greater stability and predictability of this world began to grow uncomfortable and constrained by so many tight rules and by the strictness of national boundaries. The feeling lingered that sooner or later something would have inevitably upset the neat order that the world’s governments had worked so hard to establish.”
ALEX JONES: Okay, I never read that. But that’s the other stuff. It’s in. There’s thousands of pages, man.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
ALEX JONES: It talks about global police state and worldwide riots. And I mean, we’re not far away.
JOE ROGAN: There’s people writing that. They’re writing it almost like…
ALEX JONES: I’ve never seen that part.
JOE ROGAN: It’s like, it’s…
ALEX JONES: But I’m saying, it says stuff like that.
Global Governance and Nation States
TIM DILLON: But listen, look at. The idea is like the EU, right? It’s a supranational financial architecture. People are saying that borders are racist. People are saying that the idea of America is racist. The country is, the idea of a country or a nation state is racist. There is this growing idea or ideology that global governance is a good thing or that nation states are exclusionary.
ALEX JONES: Well, it comes down to this. It’s not that nation states are perfect, multinational corporations are bigger and operate in many cases more powerfully than governments, correct?
JOE ROGAN: Yes.
ALEX JONES: And so they want control and they say they want control. And they’re going to use racial differences between two countries to play them off against each other. And they’re going to use global crises to centralize global control. And that’s what they say in these white papers, is the corporations are using this for global control and there will be rebellions against it. That’s what I read.
TIM DILLON: And then people have more loyalty to multinational corporations and more loyalty. They have more in common with people that live in London or Davos or Switzerland than they do to their American citizens. And that becomes the problem.
ALEX JONES: But you’ve got Google and Facebook executives on jumbo jets and mansions telling us we’ve got to lower our carbon footprint and be poor. They’re hypocrites. It doesn’t hold water. Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: How do we get out of this?
ALEX JONES: There it is. Authoritarian capitalism. I mean, I remember I don’t have it in front of me, but I was reading the Lockstep Rockefeller documents, and they predicted worldwide police state, authoritarianism, civil war.
JOE ROGAN: I mean, they’re predicting in 2018, says, “Will Africa embrace. Will Africa’s embrace of authoritarian capitalism a la China, continue?” And then Vietnam to require a solar panel at every home in 2022, and then in 2025.
ALEX JONES: That’s not the same documents I saw. But that’s the question is, it’s weird.
JOE ROGAN: The way they’re writing this. They’re writing this as they’re predicting.
ALEX JONES: Already happened.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, they’re talking about it like they’re seeing the future and like, almost like it’s fiction.
ALEX JONES: Here’s Trump saying, “We’re not going to control the pandemic. You don’t. You get used to it. You get over it. You fight it with nutraceuticals. You fight it with therapeutics.” It’s the idea that Bill Gates came out two weeks ago, and he goes, “We’ll be shut down for 10 years.” Is that what he said? He said, yeah, he said, “This goes on for 10 years until there’s not one Corona case.” Well, they picked the perfect problem they can never defeat.
JOE ROGAN: Isn’t that crazy? Like, you see a guy like Jamie who literally kicked it in a day, and they’re saying, “We’re going to close down the world for 10 days.”
TIM DILLON: Well, so, like, the war on terror is still going on.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, they want to. Exactly. They want a problem that never goes.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, it’s never going to. I mean, the Cold War went on forever. I mean, this is just they like these things.
JOE ROGAN: But we’ve entered into three hours in here, two and a half hours in here. We’ve entered into this weird spot. We’re like, okay, what could be?
ALEX JONES: Well, you’re going to drink whiskey. I’ve already been invited. Election night. I’m here.
JOE ROGAN: What could be done? What can be done?
The Globalist Agenda and Technology
ALEX JONES: Man, all I know is I try to tell the truth. I make mistakes. But I’m sitting here with these notes I’ve written where I read what globalists say. I gave you that Wall Street Journal article where they go, “We’re impure that we can get sick. It’s time to get rid of all humans and merge with machines. It’s so beautiful.” I think, well, that’s just one kook. And then it’s almost all these people, and really, they’re just trying to convince the public to all roll over and die. But wait a minute.
JOE ROGAN: Isn’t that a provocative article by a journalist who’s trying to paint a rosy picture of our symbiotic relationship with technology? I mean, when someone’s saying, I mean, literally saying, “Looking forward to the end of humanity,” that’s a provocative article. It’s like.
ALEX JONES: But that’s the nihilistic attitude these people actually pick up.
JOE ROGAN: I mean, yes, it is, but it’s also sort of this inevitable. If you extrapolate from where we are now with technology to where we’re going to be in 20, 30 years, and when you look at things like Neuralink, and you look at a lot of this technology that they’re coming up with, but we’re talking.
ALEX JONES: About big tech censoring us. I don’t want to plug into my goddamn brain.
TIM DILLON: Yes, it’s that’s probably a bad idea. It seems like a bad idea to have them invade your body.
JOE ROGAN: Well, when you’re talking about centralized power like that, it is a bad idea.
ALEX JONES: It’s not a good idea.
JOE ROGAN: It’s a bad idea to give them power.
ALEX JONES: All I’m saying is, Joe, and I’m glad you’re here. I’m glad you’re here. I’m very excited to be here tonight. I really appreciate you. We have to get people to debate the fact that there’s people, engineers and technocrats choosing their course and that the public is not involved in deciding that course.
Centralized Power and Censorship
JOE ROGAN: Well, I hope people are starting to understand when you see the White House press secretary get banned from Twitter, when you see the New York Post links get banned from Twitter, I hope people are starting to understand that giving people power, giving large groups power over, whether it’s national discourse, whether it’s policy, any of these things, it’s bad. It’s a bad idea.
ALEX JONES: Exactly. You don’t want to give power.
JOE ROGAN: The Founding fathers, although they didn’t predict technology, they didn’t predict the Internet, they did predict what happens when you give human beings ultimate power. Right?
ALEX JONES: I mean, power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: So, Joe, you just said it. So let me ask this question. See this? You got a huge audience. We could really change the world right now that we’ve done a good.
JOE ROGAN: No one’s listening.
ALEX JONES: No, they’re listening.
JOE ROGAN: There’s no one.
TIM DILLON: If you want to change the world, you go on Alyssa Milano show.
ALEX JONES: That’s the show, dude. No, no.
JOE ROGAN: I only get three times as many listeners as her.
ALEX JONES: People that are zombies don’t matter. I’m sorry about being mean.
TIM DILLON: I’m sure.
ALEX JONES: She won’t take zombies. Let me tell you. I don’t think zombies. Did you guys hear what I said? Yeah. Listen, you can look at Tony Podesta or John Podesta and laugh at them. They run the Democratic Party. It came out two months ago in the New York Times bragging that they were in the meeting when they were war gaming on thousands of people listening on a telephone call. They go, “We’re not going to concede and we’re going to have the country break up and we’re going to have secession and we’re going to call for the UN to invade America.”
Election Night Predictions
JOE ROGAN: How fucked up would it be if you, all this stuff actually comes true the way you’re describing?
TIM DILLON: This will be fucking insane.
JOE ROGAN: But when people are talking about, be careful with that, that camera. Don’t bump that camera.
ALEX JONES: But I’m not saying it’s going to happen. I’m saying they’re saying it because if it doesn’t happen, I’ll be glad. But they’re like, “Oh, you know, Jones is saying this is happening.”
JOE ROGAN: No, I know. You will be glad.
ALEX JONES: Literally saying, this does happen.
JOE ROGAN: This, like this podcast can be heavily criticized. Right. We are all aware of this, but when we knew that coming in. But when this goes down, if this goes down the way you’re describing it, how eerie would this be?
ALEX JONES: Well, I don’t. It would be very eerie, very scary. Because I’ll tell you, like, this is what they’re saying they’re going to do now. I hope they don’t do it, but they are saying that they’re going to contest the election when they lose. And if Trump tries to declare it, Big Tech has implemented this AI system that’s going to block hundreds of millions of Americans from being able to say, “Trump won election night.”
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: And so that’s why election night is so spectacular.
Voter Fraud and Mail-In Ballots
JOE ROGAN: And some people can say, “Well, there’s never been voter fraud before or voter fraud has been so minuscule in the past.” That is true. But however, the ability to vote by mail in advance never really existed.
ALEX JONES: Like it exists.
JOE ROGAN: Exactly.
ALEX JONES: 80 million ballots put out there. 80 million ballots put out there as a total wild card.
JOE ROGAN: So who is counting all these ballots?
ALEX JONES: It’s the locales. It’s whoever grabs them. It’s whoever puts in the false names. There’s been a bunch of people arrested.
JOE ROGAN: Right. But if you’re say, if you’re in a democratically controlled state and you, so who is controlling and counting those ballots?
ALEX JONES: Brian Redburn.
JOE ROGAN: He’s a good guy. He’ll tell us the truth.
ALEX JONES: Brian, get over here real quick. He’s going over. Two minutes. Okay, we need Brian. No, I mean, seriously, I don’t know what’s going to happen, Joe.
JOE ROGAN: I know.
ALEX JONES: The Democrat chief strategist says we’re going to contest the election. We’re going to break the country up like Civil War, 1862, and we’re going to do all this, and we’re going to say that.
JOE ROGAN: Go ahead.
ALEX JONES: They found water on the moon. Oh, bye.
JOE ROGAN: Awesome.
Buzz Aldrin and Aliens
ALEX JONES: They did find water on the moon. You know, six months before they said that, Buzz Aldrin called me up and.
JOE ROGAN: He said, “There’s water on the moon.”
ALEX JONES: And he goes, “They’re going to crash an Indian probe in there.” It’s like not, you know, 2007 or something. “They’re going to crash an Indian probe on the moon. I want you to know we already crashed one. They’re going to find the water.” I was like, “Thank you, Buzz Aldrin.”
JOE ROGAN: So he called you up?
TIM DILLON: Yep.
JOE ROGAN: Does Buzz call you often?
ALEX JONES: No, he’s called me, like, three times.
TIM DILLON: Are you ever shocked?
JOE ROGAN: Are you like.
TIM DILLON: He’s like, “It’s Alex’s.”
ALEX JONES: Buzz actually got like, 20 million views before they took it off YouTube. He was on the show one time, and he goes, “My secretary really likes you. All right.” He goes, “Isn’t she a hottie? You’re lucky I’m doing this.” I’m like, “Well, yes, sir.” And he goes, “There is the moon of Mars. That is where the real obelisk is, 2001. And the aliens created the pyramids. And I just wanted to tell you, Alex, you got it.”
JOE ROGAN: What he said. The aliens created the pyramids. Yeah.
TIM DILLON: And there was an obelisk buzz.
ALEX JONES: I heard that.
JOE ROGAN: That’s not as shocking, the Buzz Aldrin said the aliens created the pyramids.
ALEX JONES: I’m telling you. I was contacted by Buzz Aldrin’s secretary. Okay, I’m not making this up.
JOE ROGAN: This is real. I don’t believe you are.
ALEX JONES: And it’s just like, whatever this was, like, 12 years ago, whatever 10 years ago, whatever it was, like, “Hey, Buzz Aldrin wants to come on.” So we checked his Buzz Aldrin, he wants to talk about his new book, but once he gets on, he goes, “It is the soul Moon, Toron, or whatever it’s called.” Look up the moon of, moon of I want memory, so I get this stuff wrong sometimes. Of Mars. He goes, “That is where the true obelisk is, and that will give us the data tapes to go the next level. And I just wanted you to know that because you’re a good person, that the pyramids were created by aliens and we’re doing important work.”
JOE ROGAN: There he is. Buzz Aldrin admits aliens built the pyramids and Phobos monument. Oh, the.
ALEX JONES: He said that? We talked to me on C-SPAN. Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: And so he.
ALEX JONES: Phobos.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he said aliens built the pyramids.
ALEX JONES: I swear to God, this guy really.
TIM DILLON: Went off the reserve. Like, you think NASA is, like, doing a better vetting process now? Because this guy really, you know, he’s had tough times.
ALEX JONES: Well, he just endorsed Trump.
TIM DILLON: Did he?
JOE ROGAN: Why did he endorse Trump? All the military endorsed Trump, all the police.
ALEX JONES: But listen, I’m not bragging. I don’t know why I thought he had him on about a book he wrote. He starts telling me about aliens, the pyramids, and the frick.
UFOs and Recovered Crafts
JOE ROGAN: Let me ask you this. What did you think about the Pentagon saying recently that they’ve recovered crafts that are not of this world?
ALEX JONES: I think it’s probably true.
JOE ROGAN: I think it’s probably true as well.
ALEX JONES: I think we’re like the ditch, like a movie theater.
JOE ROGAN: But I talked to stuff in the ditch.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
UFO Encounters and Advanced Technology
JOE ROGAN: When I talked to Commander Fravor, who is the guy who saw the Tic Tac UFO off the coast of San Diego, the way he describes it and the video footage that they got of this thing and his take on it is chilling. That thing went from 60,000 feet above…
ALEX JONES: Okay.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it looks like a Tic Tac.
ALEX JONES: Joe’s new code name was Tic Tac, Tic Toc UFO.
JOE ROGAN: No.
ALEX JONES: No. What?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s a huge problem.
ALEX JONES: No, it’s this little Tic Tac thing there. And what did he say about it?
JOE ROGAN: He said that this thing went from 60,000 feet above sea level to one inside of a second. He said it defied propulsion by any understanding that we have of physics. The way it moved was insane. It was actively blocking tracking systems, which is an act of war.
ALEX JONES: The other thing I do is they block all the radar.
JOE ROGAN: You could listen to him on my podcast, but I would actually recommend you listen to him on Lex Friedman’s podcast. It’s available on YouTube. And Lex does an amazing job of talking to him and breaking down.
ALEX JONES: Let’s do that. Joe, what do you think the universe is? What do you think? Let’s talk real. What’s the secret universe?
JOE ROGAN: Totally legit. Report says Buzz Aldrin saw aliens when he was up in space.
TIM DILLON: Sarcasm.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, well, that’s not…
ALEX JONES: Joe, is that you? In the photo, they said that he…
JOE ROGAN: I don’t think that somebody reached out.
TIM DILLON: To his people and they said that it’s bogus and we don’t know where it came from.
JOE ROGAN: It’s bogus. We don’t know where.
ALEX JONES: Well, he came on my show and…
JOE ROGAN: Said that the pyramid thing, the pyramid quote is bogus. Well, maybe they pulled him aside.
The Nature of the Universe
ALEX JONES: Joe, let’s have fun here. Everybody’s watching. It’s an epic podcast, part three. Joe Rogan, I want to know, so what is… what do you think runs the universe? What do you think the secret is? Who are the DMT elves? When’s the last time you took DMT?
JOE ROGAN: It’s been a couple years. I don’t think that there is any doubt that there’s other life out there. It’s a matter of if it contacts us regularly, whether or not it’s contacted us, or why it comes and why it visits.
Jacques Vallee, I believe, I think his perception is not that they’re from another planet, but that that would be probably the least spectacular answer and that they could be interdimensional travelers. Some people believe that they’re time travelers. And Jacques Vallee is the guy who Steven Spielberg modeled that French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind after him. He’s a really, really interesting guy.
ALEX JONES: What I personally believe is it’s interdimensional.
JOE ROGAN: It could be that. It could be that our understanding of reality itself is very limited. It’s like, you know, if you wave your hand above certain insects, they have no idea you’re even there. Right? They don’t. They lack the ability to detect it, that we have senses that we assume are the only senses that are available.
And it is entirely likely that there are many dimensions that we don’t have access to. Right? And this is the quantum physicists and all those guys that write on yellow legal pads. You don’t understand. They all believe there’s many, many dimensions out there.
ALEX JONES: I agree with you. I agree with you.
JOE ROGAN: I think the universe is insanely huge and they’re finding life compatible planets on a daily basis. There’s hundreds of them now.
Breaking Free from Corrupt Elites
ALEX JONES: So I agree with you. Let me ask this question then. What do we do about this corrupt political elite trying to make us look at them and follow them? How do we break free of them?
JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s a different thing of the universe. But my question is, like, why are they telling us now that they’ve acquired these ships or that they have access to these things or that they know these things are real?
Bob Lazar has basically been describing exactly that and exactly the same way since 1989, when he was first hiding, when he was on George Knapp’s television show in Vegas. And they had him out only as a silhouette. And then he eventually came out and said that he was a propulsion expert that was brought to Area S4.
And they’ve tried to discredit him, and they’ve tried to talk, but one of the things that he said was he talked about Element 115, and that this was something that they used to propel these crafts, and it was something that it could change gravity. It can bend gravity and propel itself in a way that is not like any propulsion system that we use now, which essentially you have to push something out the back to make it go forward, whether it’s flames or a rocket or anything else, like even an airplane. Right. It propels things forward.
And what he was saying is that what this Element 115 is allowing them to do is to somehow or another bend space and time, somehow another bend gravity. But they don’t know how it works. They don’t know what it’s doing about this operates on this element.
ALEX JONES: Let’s talk about this.
JOE ROGAN: Hold on. They know it operates on this element that was only theoretical until, I think it was 2013 or 2015. They used a particle collider, and they detected it in an actual Element 115, that it was actually real.
ALEX JONES: And that’s what the superconducting super colliders are for.
JOE ROGAN: Well, I mean, they’re for detecting many things.
ALEX JONES: Cyclotrons.
JOE ROGAN: Well, these particle colliders are for detecting many different things that are theoretical, and they find these things to be true, and then it becomes scientific record.
What I think is that we are apes. We are these weird talking apes that are at an adolescent stage of technological evolution. And what we might be looking at when we see these Tic Tac UFOs and other things, we might be looking at something from the future. We might be looking at time travelers. We might be looking at something that comes back.
Human Evolution and Potential
ALEX JONES: And Joe, I think that’s a good approximation, but we’re a little bit beyond just apes. Clearly, we’re from outside the planet, and there’s something bigger going on like this. Life forms happened before. This is a major test. And so we can sit there and just say, oh, we’re just apes.
JOE ROGAN: No, I don’t mean that. What I mean by we’re just apes is that in comparison to what we could be eventually through evolution, you’re saying…
ALEX JONES: We’re in a metamorphosis?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, we’re on… Look, we’re a lot smarter than apes, right? Than regular apes that are in most of us in the zoo or in…
ALEX JONES: Well, some of the bugs dumber than apes, right?
JOE ROGAN: Some of them are dumber. Paint with a broad brush. But we are nowhere near where our potential lies. Our potential lies far, far, far in advance of what we are currently.
And I think some of this has to do with some of these symbiotic technologies that we’re talking about, like Neuralink and a lot of these things that are being proposed that are eventually going to find their way into the human body and accelerate.
ALEX JONES: But it’s…
JOE ROGAN: Are they going to, are they going…
ALEX JONES: To censor our ability? Well, see, because we’re already growing and all I see from big tech is censorship. So is the Neuralink going to censor what I do? Well, plug in and make me feel great and hit my pleasure center.
Technology and Human Nature
JOE ROGAN: But when you’re talking about human emotions and greed and power and all these different things, these are all biological issues that we have that the idea is, will be transcended if you could somehow…
ALEX JONES: If you believe the big tech lords aren’t like us, they’re us though. So they’re in charge of the same thing that we already are. So to say, oh, big tech lords are going to take us away from our human problems. Right, but you understand sin, they’re going to make it worse.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but do you understand that they didn’t understand what technology was going to create when it created the Internet.
ALEX JONES: The ability to establishment doesn’t.
JOE ROGAN: The ability to distribute information, information that existed pre-1990 whatever, when the Internet became mainstream, it was very, very, very different than it is today. And it’s very hard to get away with the things you could get away with in the early 1980s. What they can do now in terms of a regular person and their ability to transmit information, to access information. It’s multi tools.
ALEX JONES: All I’m saying is the controls and giant leaps. I get it, the technology’s there. I’m not against the technology. It’s those that introduce it to us and they control how it’s deployed.
JOE ROGAN: I understand that’s a big issue, but…
ALEX JONES: Everything is about that.
JOE ROGAN: What I was trying to get to is the way information has gotten out of their hands and you can distribute it in a way that they never anticipated. If they did anticipate it, I guarantee they would have never left the Internet.
ALEX JONES: No, I agree.
JOE ROGAN: I used to think that same thing is going to happen with all other technologies. And if that’s the case, technology may be our only hope. Technology may be the only thing that saves us from all these human emotions, the need for power and greed and control. The one thing that might save us from that is the symbiotic relationship with technology where we connect to things that will alleviate a lot of the problems.
ALEX JONES: Joe, if that technology…
JOE ROGAN: I’m not saying this is good or bad.
ALEX JONES: I’m not saying you’re wrong.
JOE ROGAN: Can I say something? Yeah.
ALEX JONES: You’re doing really good. This is great rants. Best Joe Rogan I’ve ever seen. I’m not being patronizing. It’s good stuff.
JOE ROGAN: It’s okay. You’re drunk.
ALEX JONES: No, no, I’m saying this is powerful. Be nice. Be nice. What I’m saying is there’s outside groups trying to program that so you can’t project your own goodness onto this.
JOE ROGAN: Not saying even goodness. I’m saying…
ALEX JONES: No, what I’m saying is, even ranting for five minutes and I’m just… What did you say? I get what you’re saying. It’s just that you’re sitting there saying this will free us from our problems, but it’s still humans that program the nexus points of it so it could actually amplify the problems. I’m saying we should be wary of all of it.
JOE ROGAN: Oh, it certainly could. Look, it could go sideways, it could all go bad. But it also could go to a point where people don’t feel the need to do that anymore. And that we recognize that a lot of what we have is we are escaping the shackles of our monkey bodies.
The Future of Humanity
ALEX JONES: Our monkey bodies. So if we’re silicon and have… don’t need resources anymore, we can just be spiritual and then we’ll be able to free ourselves and not hurt the Earth anymore.
JOE ROGAN: Hop in that Tic Tac and fly to Alpha Centauri in the blink of an eye.
ALEX JONES: So we need to know. I already see the transmission.
JOE ROGAN: If you could have a spaceship that would allow you to go anywhere in the galaxy, would you be willing to give up any of your emotions for that?
ALEX JONES: No, I know that.
TIM DILLON: I know that.
ALEX JONES: I know the digital deal. Give up your body for the Silicon Gods, become a God.
JOE ROGAN: This is all fun and games, but, like, I’m not even…
TIM DILLON: I mean, California, we’re not even allowed to go to Applebee’s. So let’s stop with the spaceship. Let’s just try to get… I’m not allowed to leave my house.
JOE ROGAN: I want to go to the Comedy Store.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, I mean, we’ll get a spaceship eventually.
ALEX JONES: Let’s get a few rights. I’m coming to election night. You’re election night?
TIM DILLON: Election night.
ALEX JONES: 25 billion viewers.
JOE ROGAN: Listen, you invited yourself to this. I think you should settle down.
ALEX JONES: Aliens, you told me.
JOE ROGAN: No, you invited yourself.
ALEX JONES: We already got it coming.
JOE ROGAN: No, I said you could come in for a little bit, but you’re making it the Alex Jones Show.
ALEX JONES: No, I’m not.
JOE ROGAN: It’s a different issue.
TIM DILLON: This is like elections.
JOE ROGAN: It’s a bit of an issue. Settle down.
ALEX JONES: It’s a bit of an issue.
TIM DILLON: It’s going to be a fun experience.
JOE ROGAN: It’ll be a lot of fun.
ALEX JONES: But quit being so mean. You literally…
JOE ROGAN: Am I being mean? No, no.
ALEX JONES: I think Joe wants to beat my ass, right?
JOE ROGAN: No, I don’t. Listen, Alex, I love you. But what I’m saying, and I’m not even disagreeing with you, I’m saying that I think when you were talking about aliens and we’re talking about life forms from outer space and space travel and shit. The big issues of the election. You see those things? They all have big heads.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: The grays, little tiny muscular bodies.
ALEX JONES: Shaved heads. Yeah, like you escaped.
JOE ROGAN: They’ve escaped all of the…
ALEX JONES: You’re actually an alien.
JOE ROGAN: That make us. They look like what we’re going to be.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, but who wants to be that?
JOE ROGAN: I don’t want to be that right now.
TIM DILLON: That’s what I’m saying.
JOE ROGAN: No, I’m with you. I like being a person.
TIM DILLON: I think we should be humans for as long as we can.
JOE ROGAN: What do you think aliens are?
Interdimensional Forces and Human Development
ALEX JONES: There are all sorts of interdimensional forces in the universe and multi-dimension. So there’s bad aliens that are trying to manipulate our development. Because a high level, exactly, a high level would not try to manipulate our development. Right? So Joe is imprinting on these demons because he loves them. He’s a bad person. No, no, seriously. So all I’m saying is we need to build towards the next level and do amazing things.
JOE ROGAN: What do you think of the… What do you think?
ALEX JONES: And I did invite myself on the election show.
TIM DILLON: It’s going to be great.
ALEX JONES: I got on my knees in front of Joe. I’ll do it again right now. I’ll get on my knees right now.
JOE ROGAN: Stop making it about you.
ALEX JONES: No, it is about me. I’m in front of Ganesh.
JOE ROGAN: You’re drunk.
ALEX JONES: I want to…
JOE ROGAN: Come on.
ALEX JONES: Yes.
JOE ROGAN: I want to ban you from alcohol.
ALEX JONES: What I want. You’re going to smoke weed with me?
JOE ROGAN: What do you think about…
ALEX JONES: We’re going to…
JOE ROGAN: I will definitely do that.
ALEX JONES: I’ll be here two minutes.
Accelerated Evolution Theory
JOE ROGAN: What do you think about the theory that human beings are the product of accelerated evolution? That they came down here and they genetically manipulated lower hominids and they created human beings?
ALEX JONES: Listen, I already have a genetic memory. I’ve already told you all this. I mean, I already…
JOE ROGAN: You have a genetic memory?
ALEX JONES: Yes. That’s epigenetics. Yeah. So I have a genetic memory. You have a genetic memory, right? I have a genetic memory and I have a genetic memory that… You know, I have a bunch of memories. Take watching Star Wars. I’ve done this before. This looks totally normal. We’re in the universe. We’re on the planets. We’re here. Our life forms have been all over the place like little seeds that jump from planet to planet, like blowing through the space winds. So yeah, we’ve already been here before.
JOE ROGAN: Because this is one of the things that Lazar brought up that they discussed with him at Area S4. They said that they believe that human beings are the product of accelerated evolution. And he wasn’t sure if they’re messing with him. When he was reading all that stuff, he’s like, is this disinformation?
ALEX JONES: Yeah, I mean, God doesn’t know where God came from. Whoa. And we said that last time.
JOE ROGAN: That’s heavy.
ALEX JONES: And we don’t know where we came from.
JOE ROGAN: Right.
ALEX JONES: But we have the archetypal memories that go so far. And then our big fear is having an evolutionary death of the species. It’s like a line of flowers or plants or, you know, whatever we are. And it’s a whole genetic experience. We’re conscious individuals, but then we have a genetic experience that goes on forever as long as we live. The genetic experience doesn’t die. So we’re always looking for eternal life as long as we keep having kids. They have kids. We live forever. That’s us. We just get better.
JOE ROGAN: Well, as long as the Earth doesn’t experience a massive extinction event.
ALEX JONES: But that’s what I’m saying. Before you go interplanetary…
TIM DILLON: Well, so the main missionary, 79 days of chaos.
ALEX JONES: I am endorsing Joe Biden right now.
Election Night Plans
JOE ROGAN: I’m voting for Kanye, by the way. That might be a good strategy if you endorse Joe Biden right now. I’m going to go with my history of voting for people that have been on the podcast. So I’m going to vote for Kanye.
TIM DILLON: I’m going with Jo Jorgensen because I like to back a winner.
ALEX JONES: Am I sitting in the same seat as Kanye?
JOE ROGAN: Yes. Yes, you are.
ALEX JONES: I’m fulfilled.
JOE ROGAN: All right. But before this goes any further off the rails, I think we’re good.
ALEX JONES: We’ve done it. Oh, you want to end this transmission, do you? I never got to all my notes.
JOE ROGAN: You got more. What else would you like to talk about?
ALEX JONES: I got more than you can imagine here.
TIM DILLON: Got to come back.
ALEX JONES: Got to come back.
TIM DILLON: November 3rd, you’re going to have guys wheel in…
ALEX JONES: Just wheel in documents. Joe said he’s like, you’re the one inviting yourself. November 3rd. Oh, you’re coming.
JOE ROGAN: You certainly did.
ALEX JONES: I waited. You invited yourself 19 months or something.
JOE ROGAN: Alex, if I showed you the list of people that are trying to get on this show, it would make your head spin.
ALEX JONES: I know, but I live down the street.
JOE ROGAN: I understand.
ALEX JONES: I don’t care. You don’t want me 30 minutes on election night.
JOE ROGAN: We’re going to be fine. We’re going to be fine.
ALEX JONES: But I’m just saying I’ll survive without it.
JOE ROGAN: It’s very difficult for me to manage a small fraction of the number of people that are trying to get on.
ALEX JONES: Well, this is an epic podcast. We got to go another hour.
JOE ROGAN: It is.
ALEX JONES: This is going to be bigger than the Elon Musk. I’m the second biggest podcast.
JOE ROGAN: You can’t be…
ALEX JONES: Every listener has to spread this link right now or I’m going to die.
JOE ROGAN: Well, YouTube…
ALEX JONES: No, I wrote notes for you. Let me read these notes to you.
JOE ROGAN: Yes, please do. Please.
ALEX JONES: Okay.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
ALEX JONES: What’s important. Major goals to accomplish.
Alex’s Notes
JOE ROGAN: “How the president could invoke martial law.” You handed this to me. I don’t even know. He does it like a magic trick.
ALEX JONES: All of a sudden, this is inside my hands.
JOE ROGAN: I don’t remember it getting here. I don’t remember me having…
ALEX JONES: Well, these are big, important topics highlighted.
TIM DILLON: Do you drive around with this just in the car?
JOE ROGAN: No, he’s actually done research to prepare for this show.
ALEX JONES: And then I was like, I’m not going to drink. I’m going to be good. We’re already here.
JOE ROGAN: I wish this was six days from now so I could be…
ALEX JONES: How many hours are we into this?
JOE ROGAN: We’re three hours in. We’re three in. Yeah.
ALEX JONES: If we don’t break the last record, we’re going down. What’s the last record?
JOE ROGAN: No, we don’t have to break records.
ALEX JONES: No, Tim Dillon, you rant while I get ready. Give us your latest comedy. I love Joe. It’s true. I was literally like, “Joe, can I please come on during the election?” Listen, we’ll talk about that. And he slapped me. He goes, “We’re good.” He literally punched me in the nose.
JOE ROGAN: I didn’t do that.
ALEX JONES: And I groveled.
JOE ROGAN: None of that happened. But tell me, go over your notes and Tim and I will talk. Is this everything that you hoped it would be?
TIM DILLON: This is my version of a Make-A-Wish kid going to Disney World. This is the greatest thing I’ve ever done, is to sit here. I’ve watched Alex since I’m 13 years old. Pre-9/11 when he was ranting about the WTO. And I followed him through 9/11, through Bohemian Grove, all the big events of my childhood. It’s big to be here.
JOE ROGAN: Can I say I’m very impressed with your knowledge. You know a lot of this stuff.
TIM DILLON: Well, I didn’t go to college.
ALEX JONES: You have a lot of time.
TIM DILLON: You have a lot of time. If you don’t go to college, you can… I’m self-educated.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, well, yeah, there’s a lot of…
JOE ROGAN: Information that you have at your disposal.
TIM DILLON: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: You got some notes.
The Red Pill Studio
ALEX JONES: I like how your new studio is like a colon.
JOE ROGAN: Listen, this new studio came together in just a few weeks. We really didn’t know what…
ALEX JONES: I’m not putting it down.
JOE ROGAN: We banged it out real quick, but…
ALEX JONES: This is going to be known as the colon.
TIM DILLON: The red…
JOE ROGAN: People call it the red pill. Yeah, that’s right here.
ALEX JONES: Oh, my God. This is the red pill.
JOE ROGAN: He called it the red pill.
ALEX JONES: So this is a very rare studio. You’re getting a new one running. I know.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, we’re having problems finding a good location, but yeah, we’ll have…
ALEX JONES: How about my house? I got a huge area.
JOE ROGAN: We got to find a good spot.
ALEX JONES: It’s amazing.
JOE ROGAN: We’re looking right now. We’re in the process.
ALEX JONES: All right, let’s get serious.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
ALEX JONES: Oh, I covered a lot of this.
JOE ROGAN: Alex. We’re good, man. We’re good.
ALEX JONES: No, we have to go for another two hours.
JOE ROGAN: We’re going to…
ALEX JONES: I am on the nightlines.
JOE ROGAN: Relax.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, I have to beg. How about I just beg a little?
JOE ROGAN: You don’t act. Come on, man. Is there anything else you really want to discuss?
ALEX JONES: No. I mean, I’m glad that Jamie is better than I am at Search the Internet. I’m not kissing his ass, but I’m really good at it. He’s better than I am, which is almost no one is.
JOE ROGAN: He does it with one hand.
ALEX JONES: The problem is I remember all this stuff now. Most the time it’s accurate. Sometimes it’s not. But I mean, if I’m saying something, I believe I saw it or I did it.
TIM DILLON: One thing that was in there accurate.
ALEX JONES: I didn’t want to correct earlier, but.
TIM DILLON: The year you were talking about something, you kept saying 1963, and then they went to like, 82 or whatever. That happened on 73.
ALEX JONES: That group wasn’t even around yet. The something of Rome.
TIM DILLON: Yeah, that was. That wasn’t even created till 68. So just for clarification purposes.
ALEX JONES: Okay, cool. I think they had a subgroup earlier than that. I’m not saying you’re wrong.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, who knows Jamie’s comp.
TIM DILLON: I mean, he has George Soros covet. This is a compromised individual.
JOE ROGAN: Might have compromised the records.
ALEX JONES: Oh, that’s another thing I want to say. Can I tell us.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
MRNA Vaccines and Their Risks
ALEX JONES: This is the most important thing we said tonight. We said a lot of important things. But both of you are not drinking.
TIM DILLON: Yes.
ALEX JONES: So you don’t know. Right. But this is it right now.
JOE ROGAN: Okay.
ALEX JONES: MRNA vaccines.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: So when you think about a regular vaccine goes in. It’s a broken bacteria, broken virus. It’s defeated. Your body learns how to kick its ass. It’s like a dummy. It’s like having a tack dog training on a dummy. The T lymphocyte white blood cell. It’s like a big badass Mike Tyson. It learns how to defeat MRNA vaccines, go into your cells as a virus. They’re viruses.
So it’s a virus they inject you with that reprograms your cell to then have a certain response to things and release proteins, which is what cancer does. And so they admit on the news that 100% of people that take these are getting sick, 20% are going to the hospital. And so they also have vaccines that are called behavior modification vaccines. You can type it in.
JOE ROGAN: Okay, but let me pause right there. MRNA vaccines. You said 100% of them get sick and 20% of them go to the hospital.
ALEX JONES: They had two studies. In one study, 100% got sick, 20% with the hospital. Another study, 80% got sick. And of those 20% with the hospital. That’s CBS News.
JOE ROGAN: You type in Jamie’s going to find that right now.
ALEX JONES: You type in “Bill Gates grilled over vaccine dangers.” You’ll have CBS News reporting it. But the point is, they admit a bunch of vaccine deaths have happened now from the test. But what was I going to do before that?
JOE ROGAN: So you were just talking about MRNA behavioral.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, Behavioral modification.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: So type in “vaccine to cure heroin addiction.”
JOE ROGAN: We’re going to get to that. But before we get to that, we got to google the stats on MRNA vaccines because that. This is going to be highly contested. So we have to find out.
ALEX JONES: Well, no, you can talk. I’m not going to show you the clip. Bill Gates.
JOE ROGAN: But we just googled the stats on MRNA patients trial.
ALEX JONES: I don’t even. I think they don’t have the stats on that.
JOE ROGAN: So how do you know it?
ALEX JONES: Bill Gates was on CBS News and.
JOE ROGAN: He said 80% of the people get sick.
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: And 20% of them go to the hospital. No.
ALEX JONES: Two vaccines. They said one vaccine, 100% got sick and a third percent went to the hospital. The other 80% got sick. And 20% of those.
JOE ROGAN: Sometimes that does happen. Even the flu vaccine. Right. People get.
ALEX JONES: I swear to God, you type in “Bill Gates grilled by CBS.” I’ll bring it up.
JOE ROGAN: Right. Certain vaccines do get people.
TIM DILLON: Well, we had that conversation about the whole thing in India. You know, he introduced a lot of vaccines in India. There was some negative reactions to them. I mean, that’s what happens. It’s just, you know, a lot of people.
ALEX JONES: I sent you the article.
JOE ROGAN: MRNA vaccines.
ALEX JONES: I sent you the article about AP about the majority of new polio cases are the Bill Gates vaccine.
JOE ROGAN: We’ll get to that too. Let me see if Jamie can find this MRNA thing.
ALEX JONES: You know, you don’t have a Morton’s.
JOE ROGAN: Next door here mRNA, look it up.
ALEX JONES: But I’m like, are you going to steak or are we going to go barbecue?
TIM DILLON: I’m just fine.
ALEX JONES: Hammered. I want to look at him.
TIM DILLON: He’s making a point about vaccines and now we’re at stake.
ALEX JONES: I am not hammered at all. I’ve been drinking orange juice.
JOE ROGAN: You’ve polished off a half a bottle of orange juice.
ALEX JONES: Joe. I’m just telling you how fun.
JOE ROGAN: I’m happy you’re here legitimately. So if you can’t find that the.
ALEX JONES: Behavioral modification, what is it you want to find?
The Polio Vaccine Controversy
JOE ROGAN: Bill Gates? Polio vaccine causes of polio.
ALEX JONES: AP. AP.AP.COM the headline, the exact headline is.
JOE ROGAN: Why does everybody hate Bill Gates? What is going on?
ALEX JONES: Because he’s so sexy.
TIM DILLON: I don’t think people hate him.
ALEX JONES: No, it was, it was, it was AP.
JOE ROGAN: Bill Gates did not say 700,000 people have negative side effects.
ALEX JONES: He did say that. My God. He said it on. He said it on NBC News, Bill.
JOE ROGAN: “Bill Gates did not say 700,000 people have negative side effects from a coronavirus vaccine.” I have the video. Okay, but pull up AP Bill Gates polio vaccine. But that’s a coronavirus. He said polio vaccine. All right.
ALEX JONES: Okay, now I’m pissed. I’m going to tell you the headline. It was.
JOE ROGAN: See if there’s a polio article.
ALEX JONES: It was UN U N. Vaccine causes polio.
JOE ROGAN: UN Vaccine causes polio. Okay. UN Vaccine causes polio.
ALEX JONES: Google, you know, Google is compromised.
TIM DILLON: Can you ask this, please?
JOE ROGAN: “UN Says new polio outbreak in Sudan was caused by oral vaccine.”
ALEX JONES: Yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Whoa.
TIM DILLON: It’s not good.
JOE ROGAN: “New polio outbreak in Sudan is caused by oral vaccine.” And this. Look at that kid’s face. Oh, my God. Is that a terrifying image? The image of them distributing that. Look at that poor kid’s face. Imagine that kid getting polio from that vaccine. He looks so terrified. Oh, my God.
ALEX JONES: Yeah, I mean, that’s tragic. Oh, and a bunch of them died, but, you know.
JOE ROGAN: Jesus Christ.
ALEX JONES: Alex Jones.
TIM DILLON: Hold on, hold on.
JOE ROGAN: Back up, back up, back up, back up. What does it say up there? “World Health Organization says a new polio outbreak in Sudan is linked to an ongoing vaccine sparked epidemic in Chad. A week after the U.N. Vaccine sparked epidemic Health Agency declared the African continent free of the wild polio vaccine, World Health Organization said it found 11 additional vaccine derived polio cases in Sudan and that the virus had been identified in environmental samples. There are typically many more unreported cases for every confirmed polio patient. The highly infectious disease can spread quickly in contaminated water and most often strikes children under five.” Fuck.
ALEX JONES: Jesus Christ.
JOE ROGAN: “In rare instances, the live polio virus in the oral vaccine can mutate in a form capable of sparking new outbreaks.”
ALEX JONES: So let me tell you a story. My grandmother died three years ago at 92. Incredible woman.
JOE ROGAN: That’s fucking terrifying.
ALEX JONES: She was told by her doctor in 1954 when she got the second polio shot. They said, “Sorry, it was live.” It paralyzed her. She was on crutches. Rest for life. They told her it did to her.
JOE ROGAN: Jesus Christ.
ALEX JONES: So, see, I just told you that.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s true.
ALEX JONES: And that’s a whitewash, what AP is.
JOE ROGAN: Doing, I would imagine.
ALEX JONES: So I’m telling you, I make mistakes because I can’t remember all this stuff.
JOE ROGAN: I understand you remember a lot, but.
ALEX JONES: I’m not trying to lie.
JOE ROGAN: I wish.
Alex Jones on Burnout and Health
ALEX JONES: The last thing I want to say is this. I’d like to retire the next year. I’d like to finish up my work, clean up mistakes I made, talk about other stuff because I’m end up dying of a heart attack or going crazy. I’ll do this 18 hours a day.
JOE ROGAN: I’d like to get you in shape.
ALEX JONES: I’m totally stressed out, Joe. I’m dying.
JOE ROGAN: I know you are. I know.
ALEX JONES: I literally do this stuff constantly. I read thousands of articles.
JOE ROGAN: I know you do. If I text you at three o’clock in the morning, you respond right back, you’re wide awake.
ALEX JONES: I’m not a victim. I’m telling you I’m dying.
JOE ROGAN: I understand.
ALEX JONES: So I can’t do this much longer. And I want everybody to know I love my crew, but I told them I can’t keep running this operation. I just want to tell the truth. And I want to get out in the next year. Doesn’t mean I won’t go on your show once a year. Do a. Write a book or something. But I want you to get healthy. I need to get all the. I try to get healthy.
JOE ROGAN: Why don’t you hire a trainer and hire a dietitian? I tried because I know you got off the booze for quite a while and we were talking, you said you felt great.
ALEX JONES: I did feel great. I lost like 40 pounds.
JOE ROGAN: How long did you get off the booze for?
ALEX JONES: Four months. No alcohol? About eight months. And barely any in the last three or four hours right back.
JOE ROGAN: But you, you, you were talking to me about Adderall.
ALEX JONES: You’re the problem. You know, the.
JOE ROGAN: Want you to talk about that because that’s a good thing to, for people to hear the, the, the problems that you had with Adderall, because that, that shit scares the fuck out of me.
ALEX JONES: Well, I’m not going to get into any of that type of stuff. The point is, is that, is that the things that doctors push, the things that go on, the whole country’s drugged up on a bunch of stuff.
JOE ROGAN: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: And it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s not good. But I’m not. I do caffeine and alcohol, that’s it. And, and it’s all very, very destructive. And, you know, it gets to the point where you’re exhausted unless you drink, and it’s not a good thing. That’s why I’m glad. You sober in October? Last October I was sober, yeah.
JOE ROGAN: Do you think you could just kick it?
ALEX JONES: Totally.
JOE ROGAN: I mean, you kicked it for four months.
ALEX JONES: Do you think if I wasn’t doing a show every day and having to read… I mean, I’m not exaggerating. I read 50 articles. I probably scan 500. I mean, I look at so much stuff that it’s insane, enslaving me. Like I just want to, I don’t want to be around it anymore. It’s not like I’m scared of it. I’m just, I want to be something else.
JOE ROGAN: It’s negative. It has negative consequences on your health.
ALEX JONES: Yeah. So for me, I just want to get away from all of it.
JOE ROGAN: And what do you want to do?
Finding Balance and Purpose
ALEX JONES: I’d love to go hunt and fish and relax and oil paint and do sculpture. I love metal sculptures. That’s a beautiful chimpanzee skull you have right there. I mean, I’ve done this 26, 27 years and when you’ve done it that long, you want to stay in the fight, but at the same time you want to not do it anymore.
And that’s the thing about people, the Democrats suing me and attacking me. Before Trump even got elected, I was already telling people, “Hey, I’m going to shut this company down. I can’t fund all of you, I can’t do this anymore.” Them attacking me made me keep fighting them.
JOE ROGAN: Do you think that if you were healthier, if you maybe just did less, you could be alright with it?
ALEX JONES: I didn’t do that as a stunt. I mean, quite honest with you. I’m smart. I think I’m going to die of a heart attack at like 50 something. I’m 47 now and I just, I just have to like, there’s no way to do this full time. Either you do it or you turn loose. And I’d like to just for a few years, just disappear.
JOE ROGAN: So you think that the amount of shit that’s out there and when… And this is a problem with conspiracies, right? Because you keep finding more and more and more that are provable and you start going crazy because you start really…
ALEX JONES: Exactly. And then you lose who you are. Exactly. Yeah, I don’t like the globalist. I’m not giving into them. I’m giving into like my own body.
JOE ROGAN: I understand.
ALEX JONES: It’s not like their attacks keep me fighting them. Like they keep thinking like, “Oh, let’s mess with him more, he’ll give up.” That makes me attack more. It’s not trying to get him to stop attacking me. It’s not some Machiavellian thing I’m saying. I just want to like, I don’t want to be and I don’t want to look at the news.
JOE ROGAN: Maybe if you just took some time off and like, just got healthy. Maybe, maybe, maybe that’s what you need. Maybe you just need an extended vacation. You’re your own boss, right? You could do that.
TIM DILLON: Do you ever think you maybe shrink the operation down a little bit and then you could kind of do what you want, how you want, you know, instead of just being a 24 hour day operation, you could just take it down?
The Physical Toll
ALEX JONES: Well, here’s my problem. When you get personal, I mean, I had perfect teeth till like two years ago. I have to wear a mouth brace because I literally crushed my teeth when I sleep. Like I broke one just the other day. I got implants going in right here.
And I’m just like literally in my sleep clenching my teeth so hard that I’ve got like giant muscles. Like I’m not Arnold Schwarzenegger, but my jaws are like, they’re like a chipmunk. And it’s because that psychologically I’m trying to defeat all this. And it’s just like, it’s like at a certain point I can’t do it, alright? So I don’t feel sorry for myself.
JOE ROGAN: You’ve earned it. You’ve earned some time off. Yeah, why don’t you just take, take some months off, just like mark an extended hiatus, you know, whenever you feel like you could get away and just decide you’re going to take three months off. Put the fucking cell phone down. Eat healthy, exercise. You mean you can hire a trainer? You know, not a bad idea.
ALEX JONES: There’s nothing I want to do more than that.
JOE ROGAN: Because, you know, I’m doing this sober October thing and when I’ve done it in the past, one of the things that we’ve done is these fitness challenges. You don’t even realize what you can do until you’re forced to do something.
If you force yourself, like say, “Hey, for the month of January, I’m not going to drink and I’m going to exercise every day and I’m going to put it up on, you know, my website and let everybody know what I’m doing.” And just force yourself to try to get healthy, only eat healthy food.
And maybe get a dietician, maybe get a trainer. Not even maybe. Get a dietitian, get a trainer. Get someone who makes you like, meal preps for you, gives you healthy food to eat. And this is all you’re going to eat, is this. No processed bullshit, just healthy food. Wouldn’t be a bad idea. Just take a whole month and do nothing but that. Just leave the fucking news alone. Let this crazy world sort itself out.
ALEX JONES: No, I agree. Because now I look at news and it’s just like you said, like, “Oh, I got them right here.” This, like now almost like, “Oh my God.”
JOE ROGAN: Yeah, because you’re probably overrun, you know. You’re probably taxed out. Your body’s probably like barely hanging in there. I mean, if you’re boozing a lot and you’re not getting sleep and you’re grinding your teeth, none of these are good signs.
ALEX JONES: I’ve been honest about the listeners, but you know, at the end of the day, like, this is fundamental, this is an anti-human movement. It’s a globalist movement. And I get people that are doing it are sociopaths that have created cosmology to explain why they’re doing all these evil things. I just, I feel like it’s such an important mission that it should be exposed and… Joe, I’m just glad you moved to Austin. I’m glad that Tim’s here.
JOE ROGAN: Tim’s moving. He just told me I got to save…
TIM DILLON: LA first, and then I want to go work with Bill and Melinda Gates for a while and then I will come to Austin.
JOE ROGAN: You can’t save LA. I know, I know.
TIM DILLON: We’ll see.
Election Predictions and Division
JOE ROGAN: November 3rd.
ALEX JONES: So, Joe, what is your prediction? Who wins? Who wins in six days?
JOE ROGAN: I’m not smart enough to make the prediction, but I think, I think it’s going to be chaos either way.
TIM DILLON: It’s going to be chaos.
JOE ROGAN: I think if Trump… I’ve never ever in my life felt this country more divided. It feels more divided now than I’ve ever felt before. Where the possibility of a civil war doesn’t seem outside the realm of possibilities. It doesn’t seem like something ridiculous.
It doesn’t like people. You say if they said it in the past, someone said all this country is on the brink of a civil war 10 years ago, I’d be like, “Listen, this crazy fuck.” You say it now and I go, like I could see it.
ALEX JONES: Tim, why are you not moving to Texas?
TIM DILLON: Well, I might eventually. I might eventually. I don’t know. We’re going to see. I got to move. I got to open a car. Convinced me to. Joe told me to move to LA a year ago and then I moved and it’s destroyed.
ALEX JONES: So don’t tell me to move here, I might move here.
JOE ROGAN: We’re going to start a comedy club out here. Yeah, we’re going to set this place up right.
TIM DILLON: Well, thank you for having me.
Wrapping Up
JOE ROGAN: My pleasure. I appreciate it. But I appreciate you being here. Was everything I was, I hope. Yeah. Good this was a great one, Alex. I think people got to see a side of you that they maybe even didn’t see in the other two podcasts. You know, I think you did a great account of yourself, and I think… Really?
ALEX JONES: You think so?
JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the shit that you brought up today was… I mean, you were pulling shit off the top of your head. A lot of it was accurate, a good, solid percentage.
ALEX JONES: Well, I’m not trying to bullshit.
JOE ROGAN: No, you’re not trying to bullshit. No, I know you’re not. This is what I’ve always told people about you. And again, I think that we’re at a critical time where we’ve got to rethink all these people that are calling for people to be censored and calling for people to be deplatformed. I think you got to rethink this. I think everybody has to rethink this. Because you might be looking back on this 10 years from now and going, “Oh, my God, what the fuck did I support?”
ALEX JONES: But I agree with you. But we should… You’re being nice to the censors.
TIM DILLON: They’re tyrants.
ALEX JONES: We should hear everybody’s views.
JOE ROGAN: I think there’s a lot of people in this machine, and a lot of these people, they’re not tyrants. They think they’re doing good. They really do. I think there’s a lot of people that are out there calling for people to be deplatformed, calling for people to be censored because maybe they have children. They see their children being indoctrinated into QAnon and all this kind of ridiculous thinking, and maybe they think that the way to fight some of this shit is to just take that stuff offline so the kids have no access to it.
ALEX JONES: That only makes your children want it more.
JOE ROGAN: Well, not only that. It makes the people that believe that there’s a conspiracy to silence the truth. It makes them even more fervent in their beliefs. They start believing it even more rabidly. And not only that, it creates echo chambers.
ALEX JONES: And then this positive, you are happy you moved to Texas.
JOE ROGAN: I fucking love it here. I love the people. I love the town. I love everything about it. I do.
ALEX JONES: But that’s the good news.
TIM DILLON: Yeah.
ALEX JONES: And Tim Dillon, you come here, lower taxes, good people. We want all the people from other parts of the country.
JOE ROGAN: Food.
TIM DILLON: Come.
JOE ROGAN: Good food. Food is amazing. Yeah. There’s a lot of great stuff.
TIM DILLON: And the kids here are in the QAnon, which I think that’s good.
JOE ROGAN: All of children should be… Well, they get tattooed when they’re in the fifth grade. Listen, I love you, Alex Jones. Thanks for being here. I love you, Tim Dillon.
TIM DILLON: Thank you for having me. Thank you.
ALEX JONES: Guys.
JOE ROGAN: We did it. We did it. We did it.
ALEX JONES: Alright. What we do? Three and a half hours?
JOE ROGAN: Something like that? Yes. To infinity and beyond.
ALEX JONES: Man video. Don’t visit it. Band video.
JOE ROGAN: Bye, everybody. Thank you.
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