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AI: The Beast or Jerusalem? – Jonathan Pageau & Jim Keller (Transcript)

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Jordan B Peterson: Helloeveryone watching on YouTube – listening on associated platforms. I’m very excited today to be bringing you two of the people I admire most intellectually, I would say, and morally for that matter. Jonathan Pageau and Jim Keller, very different thinkers.

Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox, among other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel, The Symbolic World, dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion. Jonathan is one of the deepest religious thinkers I’ve ever met.

Jim Keller is a microprocessor engineer known very well in the relevant communities and beyond them for his work at Apple and AMD, among other corporations. He served in the role of architect for numerous game-changing processors, has co-authored multiple instruction sets for highly complicated designs, and is credited for being the key player behind AMD’s renewed ability to compete with Intel in the high-end CPU market. In 2016, Keller joined Tesla, becoming vice president of Autopilot Hardware Engineering. In 2018, he became a senior vice president for Intel.

In 2020, he resigned due to disagreements over outsourcing production, but quickly found a new position at Tenstorrent as chief technical officer. We’re going to sit today and discuss the perils and promise of artificial intelligence, and it’s a conversation I’m very much looking forward to.

So welcome to all of you watching and listening. I thought it would be interesting to have a three-way conversation. Jonathan and I have been talking a lot lately, especially with John Vervaeke and some other people as well, about the fact that it seems necessary for us to view, for human beings to view the world through a story. In fact, that when we describe the structure that governs our action and our perception, that is a story.

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