Candace #Ep 298: with Bassem Youssef (Transcript)

You’re not allowed to start asking meaningful questions. And then, of course, I did become really hateful. I tweeted, “Genocide is always wrong.”

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, my God.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: How could you?

CANDACE OWENS: I don’t know.

Three Stories of Ben Shapiro’s Lies

BASSEM YOUSSEF: It just—genocide is always wrong. Every single word of this is ground to fire. But here’s the thing. I have three different stories about Ben Shapiro to show how talented he is about changing the facts in real time.

The first story happened very recently at Turning Point USA, when a young kid came up—a gentleman. He asked, started asking about the bombing of the USS Liberty. And the way that Ben Shapiro answered, he was just lying through his teeth very quickly. And he started to say, “Well, there has been investigation, and it was obviously wrong. And it was obvious and it was proved beyond any doubt that it was a mistake,” which wasn’t.

There was a lot of investigation where the crew of the USS Liberty were threatened. They had the gag order. They couldn’t talk. And, you know, the beauty about this is that for 15 years, Israel fought this tooth and nail, and they finally paid compensation. You know how much they paid? $6 million for damages to the USS Liberty and $6 million for the victims of the USS Liberty. This is the value of U.S. soldiers that were killed in that.

And you can see him, as he was debating the kid, that he was just making things up. It was already proven. It was already behind the bridge. That’s the first one.

The second time, he was on the morning show with Charlamagne tha God. And Charlamagne asked him, “Did Israel commit genocide?” And he started going through this Jordan Peterson word salad style, just speaking very quickly, having big talking. “This is not the genocide because they intended—” And then you can see Charlamagne looking at him like, “That motherf*er is lying.” But I cannot say how—you know, he’s looking. And just like, “This guy is lying to me,” but he cannot pinpoint it.

The next day, Mehdi Hasan came on the show and he went through details. Why is Israel committing genocide? But if you’re there and he’s speaking too fast, you don’t know what he’s saying, so you cannot respond.

And the third story is my favorite because this was a premeditated, manipulative lie. He talks a lot about how Hamas uses the aid from the European Union to create weapons. Right. That’s his whole thing. And then he brought in a video with Hamas and the Palestinian authorities in Gaza digging out water pipes and said, “You see, these are the water pipes that are put down by the EU and this is Hamas extracting them and making weapons from them.”

The beauty about this clip—this clip had an Arabic narration. It has Hamas officials talking over it and they said that they discovered water pipes inside, being dug from inside Israel to steal their water. So when they discovered it, they dug it out and they used it as weapons against Israel.

So he took a video knowing exactly what their narration is, and he changed it. And actually, shout out to Wally Rashid. You actually brought a video from him in your show before about the little moles, the little Israeli nodes in the moles, if you remember. Yeah, little spy nodes in the U.S. moles.

So this is three examples of how this guy lies intentionally. He lies with purpose. He knows exactly what he’s saying. Whether it was—if he’s put on the spot or he’s asked a question that he has to make up or he’s making up a complete fake fact out of thin air.

The Fear of Speaking Truth

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. And it’s—I mean I don’t really—I always start by saying I’m going to get in trouble, but I just don’t really care because I think humanity just needs to be over all of this. The fear of telling the truth is something that is so scary to consider that so many human beings are allowing terrible things to happen because there’s this quiet fear that you’ll be penalized for speaking the truth.

And I just—that’s what I gave up in 2025, 2026. I’m not keeping anybody’s secrets. But to your point about the USS Liberty, just to show you how far this goes in terms of protecting the secret, I hosted Phil Tourney. He sent me a letter—one of the survivors of the USS Liberty.

When I tell you it was the most meaningful sit-down I’ve ever had in my life, and rarely would I say that. Everyone looked like they were going to cry here when he went through what he lived through. And you can’t—you listen to him, you just know he’s telling the truth. You don’t even need to hear anything else. The emotionality still lives in him from the time he was 20 and now he’s 76, that he just wants the story to be told about what happened to his mates on that boat.

And I did this episode with him, met him, looked him in the eye, cried with him. He gave me his Purple Heart. And then I got sued by the Daily Wire. This is after I left Daily Wire, because during his sit-down, he brought up two names.

During the sit-down, obviously, I have no idea what this man was going to say. It was not in his letter that he sent me. But he looks at the camera and he said, “And I’d like to call out the people that are saying that this was a hoax.” And he said, “Charlie Kirk said something”—and I was always very close, Charlie’s a dear friend of mine—and he was like, “And Ben Shapiro said something.”

And they sued me. Wow. They sued me for allowing a survivor to tell his story. And they were making it a psychic argument that I put him up to it. Like I could ever be so disgusting as to manipulate a man to say something so that I could—I mean, it was—

And then I had to actually call Phil after this and say, “I’m going to court. And I know this is—I would never want to ask you, but would you be willing to testify that I didn’t put you up to say something?”

But just to show you the extent—to manufacture reality that you’re willing to attack this guy twice. I mean, twice calling this guy a liar. Twice. And it’s just—I couldn’t believe it. We were so far—I mean, they—I was being sued left and right by them for everything but that. I thought I was just like, “This is—” And this was Jeremy Boring being at the helm of the Daily Wire.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Boring.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. Sent me that lawsuit on his birthday, first day.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: That’s very boring and predictable. But there’s going to be a lot of lawsuits for this episode.

Breaking the Silence

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. And I just—I gave it up last year. I said, “This is crazy. This is how we got into this.” To understand what’s happening in Gaza, to see what Jared Kushner is doing there. This was a real estate deal. And what they’re willing to do in America to make sure nobody remembers the Palestinians—you can already see getting laws passed, how we’re going to retell history. I mean, they’re saying it on—

The Power of False Narratives and Historical Gaslighting

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah. Like, Mike Pompeo went on this thing and he said the way that we’re going to remember October 7th is not going to how we remember today. It’s very important that people remember this as Israel being the victim, because there was no victims in Gaza.

And they already have. I have a friend of mine who went to the film festival, the Cannes Film Festival last year, that one year after October 7th, and they were already have pledged over $200 million to produce TV shows, movies, in order to retell October 7th from the Israeli point of view. And they are changing history in front of us right now.

And I think this is not just about what happened or what happens in Palestine because of how people saw the gaslighting happening in real time and how the lying is happening in real time. People now are reconsidering everything they were told about history, from World War II to JFK to 9/11 to the Iraq War, because we have seen an Olympic level gaslighting.

Because Israel doesn’t just lie to hide the truth. They lie recreationally. They just do because it’s fun for them. And the way that they just lie to wear you down. Because now you look at all of what is being told to us. How can you believe a country that has a very lucrative history of false flags operation?

CANDACE OWENS: Right.

A History of False Flag Operations

BASSEM YOUSSEF: There’s actually two false flags operations. There’s many of them. First of all, you have the bombing of the King David hotel in Palestine, 1990. Like 92 British soldiers were killed. And the people who did it were people from the Haganah gang and they were dressed as Palestinians.

1950, 1951. There is a Jewish Israeli author called Avi Shlaim. He’s an Iraqi Jewish and he wrote three books about the plight of the Jewish people in Iraq. And the plight of the Jewish people in Iraq was not caused by Iraqis. It was caused by Israel and Mossad.

Because when they created the state of Israel, they didn’t know how to bring all of these Jewish people from the Arab countries. It was easy to bring them from Europe, but they didn’t like Jewish people in Iraq and in Egypt and Morocco lived there for hundreds of years. So they needed to push them.

So 1951, Israel sends a Mossad agent and then he leads four to five different bomb attacks on Jewish synagogues and Jewish communities. They killed their own people October 7th. Yes. And that happened in Iraq. And then because of that, 150,000 Jews went in just a year and a half to Israel.

And then the same guy that Israel sent to, I can’t, his name escapes me now. After Iraq, he went to Egypt and he led the Lavon affair in 1954. And you know what’s funny about the Lavon affair? After the sleeper cell, the espionage cell was discovered, Israel denied it, denied any connection to those people, of course, for 51 years.

And then in 2005, they finally acknowledged it by giving the participants in the Lavon affair operation participation certificates. Like an Amazon card or something. Yeah. And then 1994, the bombing of the Israeli embassy in London, it was done by Mossad. And then they kind of nailed two Palestinians for it.

One month after 9/11, which is the biggest false flag operation. In October 2001, there was an attack of the Mexican parliament by two Mossad individuals. And they were also being, they pretended to be Palestinians, but they were discovered before the bombing.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: So you see all. And of course we have the Bondi attack. I think I gave pictures to one of your producers like Arson Ostrovsky, who’s one of those trolls on Twitter. He happened to be on October 7th, a Survivor October 7th. And then he posts his picture, a selfie while he’s on the floor and he has blood all over him. Yeah, that’s the picture.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Which just obviously looks fake. And then the best picture is the next picture when he’s all bandaged. Can we get. Yeah, you see smiling almost single point drop of blood on the bandage. And there’s no self respecting medic that will actually leave a face like this trench of blood. They will have to clean it first.

This is how can you believe a country that lies 24/7 like this? How can we take anything that they say for face value?

Zionism vs. Judaism: A Critical Distinction

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, it’s scary. It is actually scary. And I will say that. And it’s, you know, that’s why I think for me to had to figure out what is the guiding theology here because this is obviously not Judaism. This is like that will not kill. You can’t just violate that commandment over and over again and then keep insisting that this is about, I’m a Jew, I’m a Jew.

And the further that I went back into history and would see how there were little edits to books and I’ve now done my book club. And I encourage people to understand the founding of Hollywood because what you’re talking about is a troop of actors, performers. They were the carnies, they were gypsies. They will become whatever they have to become to amass power.

And I have been virtually pleading with the people who are Jewish and sin up against Zionism to learn this because these people appear everywhere in different countries. They will learn languages, they will, you know, we’re Catholic today, we’re this tomorrow.

And it’s basically what Hollywood is if you think about it. It’s one big psychological operation. All of the movies that they make, they make sure they get into the classroom. They’re brainwashing your children to believe that they’re victims, that nothing else ever happened.

And then when you start to learn real history and you start to ask questions and for me, learning more about the Bolshevik revolution and then going, hey, but where did all these Bolsheviks go? Oh, oh, oh, B.B. Mikovsky. Now he wants you to think that he’s just Jewish and there’s nothing else to see here.

No, this is. They will become whatever they have to become. They are like their brains are. Their brains are wired. It’s a pathology. Their brains are wired to lie. Zionists. They are. It is. I’ve never seen anything like it. To not feel anything when you lie on people, when you smear them, people you knew, people you were friends with, people who like Charlie Kirk.

How quickly they can flip the switch and be guns out and want to ruin you. That is not normal. We cannot pretend that that is normal.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: 100% and I actually want to say something on behalf of a lot of my Jewish friends because they suffer from this too. A lot of my Jewish friends who see that their identity and their religion is being hijacked by a group of people who are very selfish who just use this as a victimization tool.

It is like exactly if Muslims saw people from ISIS and Al Qaeda suddenly hijacking our culture, hijacking our religion. But now they have money and power to actually make this the mainstream. And a lot of my Jewish friends feel that they’re silenced, they’re sidelined.

We have seen a lot of Jewish artists, directors and actresses and actors. They go on and they speak up and you see what happens. They’re being called an anti-Semite the next day.

One of my closest friend, Matt Lieb, he’s a comedian. He’s a stand up comedian. He has a whole show called Bad Hasbara and he just talks about the Hasbara techniques. He told me that at the age of 26 he was a raging liberal Zionist and he went on a birthright trip to Israel.

And then the one thing that flipped him, he said we were a bunch of 20 years old. And then we find that the main speaker in our event was Benjamin Netanyahu accompanied by Miriam Adelson. It’s like, wait a minute, this is too much effort. This is too much effort to get us in.

And then he went back and he started to read more and he’s completely. Now he’s an anti-Zionist Jew. And there is many of these people, and I feel so bad that they have to. It just. They can’t help it not to take many of this on themselves, that all of these stuff that those Zionist people do kind of reflect on the whole community.

But there are so many people who just, sick and tired of being grouped with those psychopaths, because they’re not.

The Inhumanity of Gaza’s Destruction

CANDACE OWENS: That’s what I’m saying. It’s not a religion. It’s a political philosophy. And that’s why it’s so important to separate it. Zionists are just tried and true psychopaths. There’s no way you could look at what happened in Gaza, to look out at what they did, how they told us they were going to do it. Talking about real estate deals.

I mean, you. And you got to pull this up. Skylar, when you get a second, just some of the video footage of what Gaza looks like today, and then to look you in the face and feel nothing and say, no, that was necessary. Response to October 7th, there’s something wrong with you.

And then when people, when they can’t train people to be inhumane alongside them, the viciousness with which they attack people for being human. That’s why I say I can’t wrap my head around it. I wonder what happened to these people when they were kids, because something inside of you has flipped.

This is not like any person should have a humane response to seeing. Here we go. Some humane response to seeing what they’ve done. This is. And that’s not even.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: That’s like, that’s before.

CANDACE OWENS: That’s. Yeah, this is basically when they got started. I mean, they have raised this city.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah. And now there’s nothing. Yeah, there’s nothing.

CANDACE OWENS: The blackmail, the Epstein stuff, the defense of Epstein, gaslighting us about Epstein. And you go, okay, it’s literally, I don’t care if you are Jewish, if you are Muslim, if you are Christian. I mean, obviously I want you guys to all be Christian.

But can we all unite to recognize that we have Satanists among us? This is a satanic philosophy that you have to be worshiping death to be okay with.

Evangelical Zionism and the Hijacking of Faith

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I have a question for you as a Christian, because we just talked about a small group of people hijacking a whole faith, which is Judaism. And now similarly, you have all of these evangelical Zionists, people who go to Israel and come back and they just brainwash their followers in the church.

And when I look at videos where inside the church the only flag other than the American flag is the Israeli flag. And then there is a viral video clip from a documentary called Till Kingdom Comes and the pastors are talking to the little kids. They say, Jews are better than us. They are more special than us. They are not like us.

I mean, what kind. You are a man of God, and now your mission is to tell your congregation that you are not special enough, that there’s people from another religion that are more special than you. And we are just basically going in, giving away your life savings to the church, only to have your kids listen to someone say, hey guys, you’re nothing. You’re nobody. And there’s other people who are more worthy than you to be holy. I don’t know how that works.

CIA Operations and the Calvary Chapel Story

CANDACE OWENS: It doesn’t. I’m not evangelical and I think for the first time, many people that are evangelical are waking up to that. And it’s incredible to say that is in large part due to the Charlie Kirk assassination and us looking into the story, looking into the pastors that he surrounded himself with.

And then we kind of looked into what this Calvary Chapel Church was. It’s a military operation. I mean, this is literally a CIA operation. People like Rob McCoy, who was one of the pastors that purported to be close to Charlie, he wasn’t actually. Charlie couldn’t stand him toward the end. So that’s another big lie that Turning Point should come out and tell the truth about.

But his father ran psychological operations for the Navy. This entire church, Calvary Chapel Church, is a CIA story, okay? A place for hippies to go. Who do you think created hippie culture? I mean, I give people the books to read. You got to read Chaos. It’s a must read. Understand what they accomplished in the 60s.

Anybody who thinks that suddenly a bunch of people just wanted to smoke pot and you know, leave their families and go play guitars out in the West. I mean, the 60s, that entire decade was all about military experimenting with social engineering and social engineering via things like the Manson murders, social engineering via establishing churches.

Everybody’s welcome here. But what is the underlying goal? The underlying goal of many of these churches, too many of these churches, is to commit people to Israel by any means necessary to believe that they will not be saved unless they worship Miriam Adelson, Bibi Netanyahu, which is wild.

Miriam Adelson’s money and wealth comes from debauchery. Debauchery. I mean, what are we talking about? They built Las Vegas and OnlyFans.

The Influence of Christian Zionism

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I went through a rabbit hole watching a lot of these pastors talking to their congregation and it just shocked me how they talk down to their own Christian congregation and tell them how special Jewish people are and it’s okay that they spit on Christians. It’s okay that Israel, you cannot build a single church inside Israel because we know God told us all of that.

God has told us that Israel will be so entrenched in sin and it’s a sign of the times and it is our role to be next to them until God brings them back to the right path. And until that happens, it’s okay to kill all of these people. It’s okay to give all of your money to that entity. And if you don’t bless Israel, you’re going to be cursed.

It is just like the mental gymnastics they use in order to bring their own people, their own Christian followers down in order to be loyal not to God, not to Christ, but to a political entity.

CANDACE OWENS: Right? No, it is upside down land. But I think it’s being fixed and it’s being corrected. And like I said, it’s in large part due to people learning the pressure that Charlie was under. And this is a person who was evangelical, he was a Zionist. He truly, and I know that you have an opinion about Charlie and the stuff that he was doing, but I can tell you that Charlie was genuine in the same way that I always say to people.

I obviously regret that I worked inside of Zionist organizations. I regret my ignorance. I shouldn’t say I regret that I worked there because I actually believe that God put me there for a reason because I had to see it from the inside. And I can give people now clarity on how these things work. But I regret that I was ignorant about what was happening in Gaza. And I think people should know that Charlie, me, we were genuine in our support for Israel because we genuinely believed we were being told the truth by our friends.

Charlie Kirk’s Evolution

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yes, that’s the reality of the truth. I have a couple of issues with Charlie. I mean, you know, God rest his soul and I hope that justice will be served over the people who’ve actually killed him. I do agree that he was kind of starting to wake up towards the end because he started asking the question, especially on the PBD podcast. He said something that I said in the first appearance with Piers Morgan.

I said like Israel is the size of New Jersey and why would it take you six hours for a response where you can go there, get there in a helicopter by 20 minutes. And that’s like a very simple question. But if you ask that, you’re anti-Semitic. But he asked other questions about the stand down orders. He started talking about like the aid. He was coming from an America first point of view, which I respect.

But my issues with Charlie were a couple of things. First of all, I think you already saw the video when I said he kind of falsely claimed that if you’re a Jew going to like an Arab neighborhood in Jerusalem, you’re going to be stabbed. And now I understand that this was told to you?

CANDACE OWENS: Oh, they take you on a tour.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: On a tour and they brainwash you.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But the other two things that again, he’s now between the hands of his creator. But when he said close to his death, “Well, you know Muslims, they throw gay people out of high buildings. Now there’s no high buildings in Gaza anymore, like stupid Muslims.” And that hurt a lot of Muslims seeing that clip. That was a very, I saw this clip. Yeah, it’s a very, very, very terrible clip. It’s like, yeah, like, you know, like you have no buildings now to throw gay people from above it, stupid Muslims.

And then the day before he died, he tweeted saying that Islam is the sword the left is using to slit America’s throat. So he wasn’t liking us more. And I understand that because maybe he would be on his own path if he was given the time.

CANDACE OWENS: Charlie didn’t run his Twitter feed. Andrew Colbett did. So I just want to say that he gave it up. But that is interesting. I don’t remember him tweeting that, but he did think that the threat of Islam, he totally believed. He spoke about that several times.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: At a certain point you also had very negative ideas about this. I mean, I remember you saying—

CANDACE OWENS: It’s a part of the package.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah.

The Israel Tour and Psychological Operations

CANDACE OWENS: So it’s like when you go, like I was saying on this tour to Israel, it’s so weird to revisit it because I just, I don’t think I’m an idiot, but apparently I was just accepting everything that people that I thought were my friends and were Zionists were telling me because they’re very good at playing the part.

Like they are your friends and they want you to be good and they want you to avoid the traps, like they’re guiding you and you’re new to politics. And let me try to look very quickly as you understand what’s happening. And here we are just trying to open an embassy. That’s what me and Charlie were there for. Here we are just trying to open an embassy and like, look at these terrible Muslims that are like throwing things at us and trying to murder people at the border. And you’re going to be safe and we’ve got security for you to make sure that these terrible Muslims.

So it’s literally a psychological operation. And I want people to know that you have to separate the people that genuinely believe what they’re saying versus people who are quite literally being given money and are defending psychopaths when it’s very obvious.

And I think October 7th, fast forwarding to where we are right now with all of the information that’s now out there, now that this argument, this debate has kind of arrived on the shores of America, meaning people are getting fired, excommunicated, being smeared, people that, you know, the information is accessible and Charlie was changing. That’s the reality. He just was. And they tried to bury this and he said no.

Here’s an interesting fact: when Bibi went on a little mini tour and went on everyone’s shows sometime in August—

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Charlie didn’t let him on the show. Charlie said no to Bibi Netanyahu. When Bibi wanted to take Turning Point to the next level, Charlie said no, okay, to Bibi Netanyahu, who is a gangster. You don’t get to tell Bibi Netanyahu no. We all know this.

And so I just want people to know the truth, which is that, and obviously I released text messages, they’ve left me no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause. Now does that mean that he would have been like not eating up everything going on in Minnesota and still would have been working through things? Sure, of course he would have.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah, he was looking at things through a certain lens, a very right wing, very Christian nationalist lens. I understand that. And again, he was young and maybe if he was given time, maybe he would have like crossed over to the other side like you and said like, you know, now I believe that everything I said about, I don’t know, it’s a kind of a far fetch.

CANDACE OWENS: But we grew up with 9/11. That was the ultimate psychological operation. They made us stand up every day in school at 9/11, 9/11.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: When they found the passport, just like playing around.

CANDACE OWENS: But we were kids, right? Think about how young I was. So they know how to make an impression. When you’re a child and you’re scared, you don’t, when you don’t know anything and you’re scared is the perfect time to make an impression. “We’ll take care of you. We’re going to make sure those evil Muslims don’t come in the country. All you have to do is take off your shoes and your belts at the airport, and no more evil Muslims will get you.” And you’re like, “Okay, what do I have to do to comply with that?”

That’s a psychological operation. And that’s why when we even revealed yesterday, you know, part of these Erica calls five days after her husband died, and she’s appealing to Turning Point USA, the employees of, like, you know, “Hey, I’m going to protect you.” She uses this exact same strategy. Yeah, “I’m going to protect you. Your jobs are safe. We’re a family now.” After a trauma, it’s trauma bonding.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And you don’t know what’s happening, but “I’m here to keep you safe.”

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Now work your a off and bring me some money.

CANDACE OWENS: “Charlie’s with us in the office.”

BASSEM YOUSSEF: In the office.

CANDACE OWENS: Don’t go home. She literally says he wouldn’t want you at home sitting on your couch.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: He’s watching you as you are alone with your sock in your bed.

CANDACE OWENS: He’s dancing. He’s dancing in heaven when you are in the office.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, my God. I can’t believe the choice of words. It just, this is like emotional blackmailing on steroids.

Erica Kirk’s Response

CANDACE OWENS: What do you think about Erica Kirk?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Erica Kirk?

CANDACE OWENS: What do you think about Erica Kirk?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Would I get sued?

CANDACE OWENS: Throw it in the pile.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Of course. I don’t want to say anything that’s controversial. She did it. But I can, she was on it.

CANDACE OWENS: I don’t want to get into it. I can’t wait till I get close.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But I will never say anything negative about—

CANDACE OWENS: What do you think? I mean, just on the outside of this, looking in, as someone who was not a fan of Charlie Kirk, I actually appreciate hearing that perspective more because I see my own biases going into it.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I would have Erica Kirk’s grieving power. She grieves like no other. Yeah, I wish I would have had that kind of composure, grieving the people that I love like that. Because it, she gives hope to every one of us that it doesn’t really matter.

CANDACE OWENS: And you know what’s funny is they are using the same, going back to the psychological operations where they’re telling us to like, suspend rationality and this is supernatural. And this is because, like, God is with her. And like, I mean, even when she said to Jesse Watters that she didn’t even need to take a sleeping pill, she didn’t need to have a glass of wine, that she slept, she said she slept fine and accepted that this is what God wanted so instantly.

And there’s something about that that is ChatGPT Christianity, where it’s like, you’re just going to keep saying God wanted this. It’s like, no, being Christian is, we are flawed. We are not, of course you’re going to contend with God. You’re going to bargain. “God, we don’t get it.” Right. Of course you’re going to ask questions. “Why? Why did this have to happen?” We’re not perfect. We are not Jesus Christ.

Government Officials and Israel

BASSEM YOUSSEF: What is bothering me even more than Erica Kirk is that, I mean, Erica is playing a part, but there’s people who are supposed to serve the American people, like the Director of the FBI, Mr. Kash Patel, who even before he got into office, he said America needs to wake up and prioritize Israel. Which is a very weird thing to say.

CANDACE OWENS: He lives in Las Vegas by FBI directly with a dude.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, that the honeypot.

CANDACE OWENS: No, he doesn’t live with her. She lives here.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, my God. Oh, she lives here. And he lives with, oh, I can’t. He’s the FBI director. And I don’t know, I mean, I’m a new citizen here.

CANDACE OWENS: I’m just stating a fact.

The Israeli Cybersecurity Scandal and Media Silence

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But in Las Vegas, is this where, you know, the Israeli cybersecurity guy was also found out to be a pedophile and then he was let go? You know what’s so funny about this story? I’m sure that everybody knows here, knows this story. There’s the head of the cybersecurity in Netanyahu’s office. He comes to Las Vegas and just like, you know, to pass time, he was found with a minor and it was a sting operation, but then he was allowed to leave.

This happened in. You know what’s the most important thing about this is that not a single media outlet reported that this ever happened. ABC, Fox News, CNBC, CNN, nothing. If you have a foreign country who’s supposed to be your ally, sending high security officers here, and they are not just once, many times. And they’re involved in pedophile rings and they’re allowed to leave, but that’s okay, because we need to talk about the Somalis in Minneapolis. We need to talk about the Arabs in Michigan.

And then you have the acting DA who happens to be an Israeli national, who let him go. And nobody talks about this. And this is why. This is how they brand you to be a conspiracy theorist. When you start talking about stuff that’s not circulating in the media, you become part of the fringe. Yeah. If you’re not into this, if it didn’t happen in the mainstream media, that didn’t happen. Anybody who repeats that is a psycho. He’s a conspiracy theorist. He’s a flat earther, whatever. But it is.

And now this is what I found out about coming here to the United States. As someone who comes from the third world country where we are used to censorship and we are used to, you know, not telling the truth as it is here. Nobody will hide the truth, but they will choose not to tell it, and they will tell other stuff and give it a bigger mic.

So the someone like Jay Clang or Tommy Robinson, whatever, they go and they start doing this agitation thing. They will find someone like Elon Musk with like tens of millions of followers tweeting it and now becomes news. But they will never say anything about the other stuff. So everything that you are faced with in the news is that the stuff that they want you to see. They will not hide it. Like, hey, we have democracy, but we’ll not talk about it. This is how they selectively push the narrative.

Like what happened October 7th. I call it shock and awe. You know how America went to Iraq and they used shock and awe, like extreme attack. They do this decapitated babies. Babies in ovens, pregnant women having their. It has become so much of an emotional shock that if you start questioning it, it’s like, how come you question babies getting decapitated? You’re anti-Semitic. You don’t, like, you don’t care about babies. And this is how they pushed it and becomes the news.

Soviet Propaganda and Historical Revisionism

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. I mean, that’s Soviet propaganda. And this goes back to what I was saying about the Bolsheviks. I mean, one episode I. We were speaking about even the things that they told us about World War II and the things. And they panicked. And it was hilarious because in a couple of months later, Auschwitz Museum comes out and says the stuff that was said about Joseph, Dr. Joseph Mengele, a lot of it was made up. He never did these things. He was actually before all of this respected Dr. Auschwitz museum put this on their website. And.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And they changed number from 4 million to 1 million overnight.

CANDACE OWENS: I mean, there’s been a lot of changes, but you’re not allowed to know history or how the numbers change. And I was grateful to sit down with Norm Finkelstein and asked him about that question, you know, because he’s like, my parents, one of his parents wasn’t Auschwitz and the other parent was. I’m blanking on which of the other camps they were in.

And he said, he acknowledges it. He’s like, yeah, of course. He said my parents told me some people were taking the tattoos off and some people were putting them on. You know, people that I believe were laundering their names. I spoke to him about this, making themselves victims. And they actually were the perpetrators of a lot of the crimes that were happening against Christians. Mass murder of Christians, which we’re not allowed to talk about.

The number one victim of World War II were not Jews. It was Christians. And when you say that, they get so angry because they have worked so hard for decades to manipulate people in the classroom to believe that the only victims that ever existed in history were Jews. And that’s just on its face, false. And it is a lie. And we have to do a better job of getting out the truth.

Using Historical Trauma to Justify Current Atrocities

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And by the way, I wouldn’t even mind if that was the story. Yeah, but the fact that they use that in order to inflict holocaust on other people, Palestinians who had nothing to do with, okay, Holocaust. 12 million Jews were killed. Whatever. We didn’t do that. The Palestinians weren’t part of it. You were actually pushed onto them and you would actually kill other Jews in order to prevent anything else from happening.

Do you know the crisis of Patria? Patria was a ship that came from Europe that has 1,500 Jewish refugees, 1940s and the port of Haifa. And then the Haganah, which is like, is one of the Israeli Zionist gang, they blew it up because the British authorities wouldn’t let it go with it like the dock. And they wanted to actually divert it to Mauritius. So they bomb it. And I think like they killed 150 Jews, their own people.

They didn’t care about Jews being killed in Germany, by the way. They didn’t care what. They used them as a bargaining chip in order to create Israel. So it’s not really about being Jewish. They don’t care. They don’t really care. It’s the same way like ISIS or Al-Qaeda. They don’t care about Muslims dying.

CANDACE OWENS: These are Satanists. We’re not fighting Jews. And I always make that point of going backward and looking at the actual guiding theology. I’m going to take a quick break and throw it to sponsors because then I want to show them the clip of you on Piers Morgan because I just think it was one of the best clips ever.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, thank you.

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The Viral Piers Morgan Moment

All right, guys, I want to show you this clip, but it’s just incredible. We’ve kind of spliced it together here, but this is Bassem on Piers Morgan, the clip where he just uses humor. That’s why we need the comedians, because they’re brilliant and they have a way of delivering a point in a way that is not controversial. And it makes you go, what is wrong with us as a society? It’s dark humor and they are the best at it. Take a look at this.

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

BASSEM YOUSSEF: The question is, what is a proportionate response? Because it has been different from one tier to another. So if you look to this graph, for example, this is the death of Israeli and Palestinians and it’s changing from one year to year. It’s like fluctuating, like crypto. So my question is today, what is the going rate today for human lives?

I mean, 2014 was a great year for Ben Shapiro. 88 Israelis were died and there was 2,329 Palestinians killed on the other side. That is one Israeli for 27 Palestinians. That is a very good exchange rate. What I’m saying is what is the exchange rate for today?

So you guys will be happy. Hamas has absolutely no control in the West Bank. And since the beginning of this year, only through August, 37 Palestinian kids were killed. No music festival, no paragliding, no Hamas. Since the occupation of the West Bank, 7,000 Palestinians were killed. No music festival, no paragliding, no Hamas.

This is the problem. Israel always victimizes itself. And I have never seen a victim putting their oppressor under siege and bombing them 24/7. Israel wants you to believe that they are the victim. Dealing with Israel is so difficult. It’s like being in a relationship with a narcissistic psychopath. He f*s you up and then he makes you think it’s your fault.

I have two questions. The question is, how can you justify the killing in the West Bank where Hamas does not exist? And if the disproportionate response during the over all of these years have actually worked, what will be new this time? That did not happen before. I just want to. That was my question.

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CANDACE OWENS: I mean, it’s brilliant. I mean, just looking at it and going, wait a second, there’s no Hamas there. Why are we just killing Palestinians for fun? And it was just brilliant. It genuinely was. It was brilliant.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Well, they’re continuing like the Gaza war never ended, the ceasefire never happened. Actually, they killed more children since the ceasefire. More than Israeli kids were killed since 1948.

CANDACE OWENS: Wow.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Can you imagine? In three weeks they killed more children from the Palestinian side, more than Israeli kids were killed all through 75 years.

The Danger of Complicity

CANDACE OWENS: Do you know what I always say to people and astonished me that they can’t think through this. If you think just because it’s happening over there, you’re going to agree with these people, you’re going to back these people up, you’re going to maybe take a check, $7,000, maybe it’s $100,000 to attack people that are standing up and saying this is wrong. But you can’t be so dense as to think that they won’t kill you too. That’s what’s mind boggling. You realize if they want America, they’ll kill your kids too.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Isn’t that happening also? Yeah, I mean, isn’t like ICE has been trained by the IDF? Isn’t that the same tactics that’s used by ICE and used by many of the police departments? They get trained. They’re actually one of the ICE offices. When they did like locations, like kind of, they find that the location of one of their field offices is in Tel Aviv. Tel Aviv, Yeah. Why do we have ICE office?

CANDACE OWENS: I think it was the Department of Homeland Security.

The Influence of Israeli Intelligence and Technology

BASSEM YOUSSEF: That’s kind of a couple of months ago. The ICE is just like a recent two days ago. So why are all of these American security entities playing out from Tel Aviv? But you know, the question is stupid because you have all of these billionaires, Peter Thiel, Alex Garb, Larry Ellison, they just have a weird affair with Israel. They openly donate to the IDF, they openly have their headquarters in Israel, they pump huge amount of money, they use their technology in order to kill more Palestinians and they use Palestinians as rat labs in order to test these AI advanced, horrible, lethal weapons. It’s terrible.

And now America is using it. America now is invading the world. And I have to tell you, as an immigrant, as a new immigrant in this country, I’m enjoying it. I’m like, for the first time I’m on the side where history is happening to somewhere else. It is amazing. I’m telling you, I’m kind of getting used to this feeling of being in a country that can do whatever the hell it wants with no consequences. It’s a great feeling. It’s amazing.

I mean, I have this kind of, I don’t know, it seems that people from the third world who came to country, their childhood trauma is now our country’s foreign policy.

CANDACE OWENS: Sadly. Yeah, sadly. And I just don’t think people understand. You can’t go halfway with a psychopath. They don’t feel anything. They kill people. If they kill a child, and then you defend that, how, why do you think your kids are safe? I just don’t understand the common sense of that.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I’m telling you, it is such a difference to live in a country like America that can invade half of the world and still host the Olympics. I know they can go and invade your country, and then the next day it’s like, you know, I’m going to host the FIFA World Cup, and I’m going to deny your people the entry visa. That is like one huge boss level kind of control.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And now, but now I’m actually happy that that’s happening to Denmark. And then we’re going to get Greenland, because now I know it’s not about brown people.

Trump, Netanyahu, and American Foreign Policy

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. It’s, I don’t even know what we’re doing anymore. And I’m like, I got behind Trump. We’re supposed to do no new wars. And then it’s like, BB’s like, here’s what you’re going to do. Here’s what you’re going to do. Obviously, look, he took Miriam Nielsen’s money. And so I just don’t, I don’t even pay attention.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I’m just happy because now I know that America doesn’t see color, it sees opportunity. It doesn’t hate Muslim people, just hate underutilized land.

CANDACE OWENS: Well, what do you…

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I mean, clearly, do you think America is now like the HOA of the world? It’s like, we see that you cannot use it.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s not true. I promise you, it is not America. We might have been brainwashed, but this is very clearly an Israeli empire. And LBJ murdered JFK, got his boys in there and took over our military, and everything else is just noise and Hollywood and manipulation.

And now it’s cracking. And now people are looking up and going, wait, why are we being so controlled? Why are our kids being led to believe that they have to support Zionism? Why are, why am I not allowed to make a decision about whether I think this or think that. The fake algorithm pretending that people are popular when they’re not.

And so the mass awakening has them a bit panicked. They’re making a lot of mistakes right now. Case in point, going after Ms. Rachel seems like an unbelievable mistake. But I do think the biggest threat to their empire is the awareness. And that’s why they’re sloppy. Like we’re just going to buy TikTok.

I don’t think the money is the real power. The illusion, the trick was actually the illusion. We all believed they were the victims. We watched the movies, we were, our kids were, we were in the classroom. We bought into the 9/11 rhetoric.

The danger for them is when all of a sudden 330 million people, that’s how many Americans, now wake up and go, wait a second, I actually think what you’re doing is pretty horrific. What’s their next move?

From First World to Third World: The Erosion of Freedom

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I’ll tell you. American citizens now are waking up to the fact how easy it is to go from a first world country citizen to a third world country citizen. Because here’s the difference. People in the developed world, in Africa and Asia and Latin America, we all know, we know the people in power, they’re corrupt. All the people in power, they are terrible. They have all kinds of bad things happening. But we cannot speak up because it’s too dangerous. So we shut up. But everybody knows.

In America, everybody knows and everybody can talk. You can talk, but we dare you to change anything. So you vote, you talk, you protest, you go online. Nobody will put you in jail. You feel like you participated, but the end result is nothing changes.

They look at you and say yes, we like the Epstein files, there’s victim. Nothing will happen. You have evidence, you have evidence about Epstein. Every single TV show, every single comedy show is making fun of it, but nothing’s really moving forward. You see the difference? I’m giving you this margin of liberty, but you think you can do anything with the liberty.

What if Trump tomorrow decides he’s going to run for a third term? What will happen? What, a federal judge will just put some, what will happen? What, you’re going to get the military to remove him from office? What will prevent them from enforcing martial laws or starting to take your liberties? We have to, because the world has been desensitized by how much violence that happened in the Middle East that now people are desensitized. It can happen to us anytime now.

CANDACE OWENS: Do you think that they’re going to do it?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I mean, you said that. What is the next thing? We have seen this, we’ve seen what they can do on the level of the universities because three years ago, you wouldn’t even imagine that American university will be having the same treatment that we see in brutal dictatorship that would justify military intervention.

We have seen people losing their jobs, losing their careers, being beaten, being arrested, being shot, having NYPD and LAPDs, having Israeli special operations officers on site with them. What would prevent them from doing that outside of the university campus? You see it is the same thing happening, but you’re moving very slowly there.

Because the moment that they lose control, when there’s no more TikToks to buy, there’s no more HBOs or CNN to buy, there’s no more ways to put in them, you will find that system becoming more and more brutal.

The Illusion of Control and Long-Term Consequences

CANDACE OWENS: You think so? So I would say they do seem to be coming more brutal, but they’re also becoming brutally stupid. Meaning that, okay, so the goal with having people go in there and oh, we’re going to drag you out, you’re going to kicked out of the country because you said something at Israel. Israel has just made my generation go, okay, we’re not going to send our kids there.

But the power wasn’t us setting our kids there and then brainwashing our kids. You actually need the kids there to believe in the illusion. So as soon as you start letting us know that there’s actually no freedom and that these are actually little indoctrination centers that are being run by Israel and we’re now speaking to our kids coming up about what Israel is, you are fighting to lose the control that you have.

Same thing with speech, right? As soon as they, Larry Ellison and all them are out, they’re like, we need to buy TikTok. Do you think that made TikTokers pro Israel or anti Israel? Does it actually work long term to say, well, we’ve got the power, okay, it’s power versus the people. Do you think power wins or are the people going to win?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: That’s why I say you’re going to be on the trajectory where it’s going to be becoming more brutal, more stupid, until they completely lose control. I don’t know how many years, but we’re heading to that direction.

Because here’s the difference between third world countries and the western countries. Because I was told this when I was growing. It’s like, oh my God, you’re in the Middle East. You have all of these red lines. You have all of these red lines. You cannot cross the red line.

And I come to here the United States like it’s true, you don’t have any red lines, but you have two blue lines. You cannot cross these two blue lines. That’s your only lines. So you can talk about the President, you can make fun of the President, about the Democrats, about the government, about the judge. Nothing is off limit. But when you cross these two blue lines with a little bit of star in the middle, this is where we get you. And now you know who has the power.

So I think the more and more people are waking up, the more brutal that we’re going to become, the more outspoken, more stupid, more blunt in your face they’re going to become. And then at a certain point, people will either give up, disenfranchise, or just people go underground and you will see a violent counterattack coming from the people.

What Happens When Democracy Fails?

CANDACE OWENS: I actually think you’re right. I think you’re absolutely right. Because you thinking about that if they came out and they were like, oh, we’re going to run Trump for a third term, or if they just came out and we’re like, you know what? You guys have no power. We’re going to install Bibi Netanyahu as President United States. What will we actually do?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah, nothing. Nothing? Yeah, nothing. Because people took for granted, oh, the President’s going to be there for a couple of terms and he’s going to leave. What happens if he doesn’t? Oh, the President cannot put me in jail because of my opinion. Now it’s happening. People are being deported, being put in jail. People are losing government contract.

You have 37, 38 states that have laws that you cannot boycott Israel, which is crazy. That’s actually, and that’s a law. So they’re already doing that. And I asked a question, one of my videos, what will prevent them? Nothing.

I don’t know if you’re following what happens to the anti Israel voices in Europe. You know, we always hear about America sanctioning a country, right? There’s sanctions on China, sanctions on Iran. You know what happens when you sanction a person? When you sanction a person. And they did that from a couple of the judges in the ICC. They sanctioned the judge. He’s Dutch.

This guy cannot have access to that bank account, cannot have anything. He cannot have money. He cannot buy a ticket, he cannot pay his own bills. He’s just like a ghost. This is what happens when America sanctions a person in a foreign country. What prevents America from sanctioning you and just wiping up your bank accounts or deport or denaturalize you and then send you home or put you in jail? What would prevent…

American Exceptionalism and the Spirit of Revolt

CANDACE OWENS: So a couple things I would say. I would push back and say, first and foremost, we’re a big country. America’s not like a little European country. Also, our general attitude is very different. When I go to the UK at how polite, even their protesters are. When I was being protested, when I was speaking at some UK campuses, me and Charlie, they were very polite. They were holding signs and were like, we would really like you not to be here. And I was like, oh, okay, thank you. That was it.

America’s a little ratchet in those ways. America is a nation that they actually trained up for generations to always revolt. I mean, we’re constantly in revolt at all times. And so I’m not sure that when people start, when they start showing up to doors. And we saw this recently down in Miami where the police officer showed up and was like, did you send this tweet?

I don’t know that, you know, the country that brought you BLM riots is going to be like, no, that’s fine. We’re just going to be knocking on people’s doors, being like, here’s the thing.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: May I challenge this point?

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, of course. I’d love your challenge.

The Power of Awareness and Resistance

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Because the same country who had the BLM riots, the same country who stood against Vietnam and the same country who stood against the Iraq war, this same country, again, we’ve seen a microcosm of what they can do in colleges, which is the most vibrant, most active, most useful, most energetic places in the United States. University campuses. And we have seen what happens to those young kids.

They were vilified in the media, they were ridiculed, they were belittled. They had their careers. Some of them were even shot. I have a friend of mine, Palestinian, he and two of his friends, they were shot and now he’s paralyzed from waist down, all because he wasn’t even. He wasn’t even one of the protesters. He was wearing a keffiyeh and he was speaking Arabic.

So if America, with all its might, can crack down on the most free spots in the United States, which is the universities, and we didn’t. Can you hear anything about the university? It took them like two months and they killed it. What would prevent them from going door to door?

It’s first, it’s going to be very small and then they can get bigger. Because three years ago you wouldn’t think that they will have paid mercenary militias in American streets. Three years ago you wouldn’t think that there would be university encampments where they would be destroyed and demolished and people will not have any chance in hell to even work in Silicon Valley because they’re all blacklisted.

So what I’m saying is we’ve been saying this for the past eight years, since Trump got office in 2016. It will never happen. It will never go that far. But it’s happening.

CANDACE OWENS: I’m not saying that it would never go this far. It has gone very far. I’m pleased I’m banned from Australia. I mean, I have seen what they’re willing to do. Their whole thing is to bankrupt you too.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: You have the same danger as horses going into Australia. Oh, my God.

CANDACE OWENS: I know, it’s crazy. It’s completely crazy.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: They know that they ban horses from their Olympics. They have to play the horse there.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s incredible. I’m banned from an entire country over standing up for Palestinians, children, innocent Palestinian life because we have to believe that Palestinians are animals or they’ll ruin your life.

I just think that it has worked in the opposite regard. And I think even military men. So you’re right. It relies on the military being willing to execute the orders. Well, I’m having conversation with these guys in military and now they’re waking up to what sits at the top of the military because the corruption is always at the top.

These men are amazing people that sign up. Then we’re starting to go backwards. We’re looking at the fact that, yeah, after LBJ, you put in some satanic people to run psychological operations. Those people, of course, will go door to door and kill people. Yeah, there’s a lot of Americans.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But there’s also a lot of third world countries, generals, that will not participate. And what the leader does, he will replace them and they will put people in their place who would do what he wants.

CANDACE OWENS: There’s a lot of Americans.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And there’s a lot of other Americans.

CANDACE OWENS: I don’t know. I just, maybe I’m too optimistic. But I see them losing right now because they’re reacting like an animal backed into a corner. And I’m not saying it’s not going to get worse first.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Okay, here’s the thing. You have 98% of Congress and the Senate.

CANDACE OWENS: That’s just a bunch of…

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah, but those bunch of, they are the ones who are writing the laws. They are the ones who write a law that says that they can take $28 billion or $30 billion from your tax money and give it to a different country. So those people, they’re just stealing.

Yeah, they’re stealing, but they are all bought by those lobbies. So what I’m saying is if you buy enough people to control the government, you can turn the government to do something that the people here don’t want. Because there’s a huge separation now between the political and the media elite and the rest of the people. Thousands of people marching. But up there the money is going somewhere else. And I’m just saying that it’s not that far.

Faith and the Battle Against Evil

CANDACE OWENS: I’m optimistic. I know it sounds crazy. It probably doesn’t sound crazy. I just, in the end God wins. I think they got, they were clever. They’ve done a lot of stuff in the dark. They’ve kind of slept. But the awareness. Which God will win? God is going to win.

And I do think part of it was the awareness they needed. They needed the spell like, BB believed. Yeah, we’ve got power, we got politicians, we got this. We’ve got the, we could take the guns, we can move all this, we can traffic children, nobody blinks an eye. We got Epstein out, all of this stuff.

But it did rely on the trick of the illusion. And I think they underestimated how much relied on the illusion. And that’s why they’re panicking about Gen Z because that’s the future and there’s a lot of people. And would they if they could mass kill everybody in this country? Yeah, they would.

I believe these people are psychopaths. Like I said, watching their reaction to the Palestinians and what they’ve done to people for saying the right thing like Ms. Rachel shows you that there’s no life in these people. This is the synagogue of Satan. The people that stand up and say that’s fine, they’re satanic.

I genuinely wonder what happened to them when they were kids.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Maybe we don’t…

CANDACE OWENS: And I think maybe we don’t need a revolution.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Maybe we need an exorcist.

CANDACE OWENS: We do actually, we do need an exorcism. I do believe that. I also think that it’s sexual based trauma. I think a lot of these people, just my research into Sigmund Freud, a lot of these people, when I see the way they react, they knew that they could create psychopaths by abusing kids in their youth.

And I do think that a lot of these people behave like they are mind control slaves. They’re trauma based mind control. And I made this cover in my book club. But they showed that harming a child and what the child will do to try to rationalize why this happened to them can, and I’m not saying this happens to every person, then sets them on a path to become a psychopath when they don’t understand why someone in their family would do something like that to them.

And I look at some of these people, I have no other excuse. Your humanity should come online at some point and you say this is wrong and they don’t. Some are being guided by money, some by blackmail. But the true psychopaths that you look at where they will just lie to your face all the time. And I’m like something happened to you when you were a child and I’m sorry. And part of that was you truly believing.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: What do you think happened to Ben Shapiro when he was a child?

CANDACE OWENS: You know, combination of things with him, I would love to know. I would sit down and ask him these questions. It’s just not normal. Because he fixates. That’s what makes me nervous about him is there’s an obsession. He fixates. He can’t let it go.

I mean he’s been so fixated on Tucker Carlson even when I was at Daily Wire. It’s like his, you would think. And Tucker never ever spoke about him. Never while I was there. It’s a fixation and there is a neuroticism there. And I don’t know what happened to him, but I know he’s got like a very too close relationship with his dad. Like his dad follows him.

No, actually I think it’s his dad’s always with them, working with him at all times at every job. Follows him, tells him he’s amazing. Like so it’s different.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I’m so sorry, Ben. I’m so sorry I hurt your feeling. I didn’t know that you went through that.

CANDACE OWENS: But his dad’s apparently very angry and so there’s a thing here. But I do think they’re brainwashed too. Like they actually don’t realize that they will, like hell is real. It’s real. You will go to hell.

Narcissistic Psychopaths and Manipulation Tactics

BASSEM YOUSSEF: What I said on Piers Morgan about is dealing with narcissistic psychopaths. Narcissistic psychopaths are genuinely sick people. The world revolves around them. They cannot do no wrong. They would gaslight you into telling you what’s not in front of you. They will not engage in conversation. They will only engage in conversation to wear you down and piss you off.

One of the interviews that I went on by Piers Morgan, they brought someone called Jonathan Conricus who was like the ex IDF spokesman. And out of nowhere it’s like, “There is no famine in Gaza. There are so many videos of fat Palestinians, fat.” And he emphasized on the fact he knows that by him saying this is like, how could you say that? They want to trick you into getting under your skin.

So now the conversation is not about what’s happening in Gaza, it’s about like now what I’ve just said. And then they would, they are masters in doing that, trolling that. See, all of their conversation, all of their debates, their point, the whole thing is to them making you lose control and lose your temper. So they will divert the conversation going somewhere else. You see that? They’re very good at doing this.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, no, you’re absolutely right.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And they don’t care about the truth. They care about confusion. They always ask the question, if you have like a campus, we have 10% of pro Palestinian, 10% pro Israeli, what do you do to the other 80%? And the wrong answer is I’m going to try to convince the 80% with my cause.

No. Their answer is you try to confuse the other 80%. Just give any, whatever, like sound bites just to throw at the situation. They divert the conversation. This is what they do.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, I agree with you. It’s like master manipulation. And I came out of it, so I realize now I’m welcome back.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah, this is kind of like rehab.

Coming Out of the Matrix

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, well, I wasn’t, you know, it’s funny, I was never there speaking about the topic of Israel, but I did believe that where I was working were real media companies that were dedicated to free markets and capitalism and that these were my allies in that sense. And fighting, defending free speech.

And so there is something that’s scary when you go, oh my gosh, how could I not have realized that I was actually, no, I’m just kind of being used so that they can pretend they’re this thing. But actually the only thing that matters is this one thing which is like Israel and serving Israel.

So it’s been a lot to process that. But I don’t, I’m grateful I was blinded to it because it gave me almost a superpower to come up through it. I now know how the tricks work. I know who these people are. I know who they’re connected to. I know who they’re communicating with. I know what publications they’re speaking to.

I can see the hand of, oh, this is, you know, Marissa at Prager U, who I adored when I worked for her. I’m like, oh, this is a Marissa thing. And so I think God wanted me blinded for that time so I could, so now when I’m telling the story about Charlie, I have so much more weight.

I’m telling the public, no, this is what was going on. This is who put this person in this organization. This is who he was arguing with. So it kind of in many ways I had to go through all of it. Otherwise I’m just throwing opinions at the wall. And it represents an existential threat to these organizations to go, okay, no, but she came from the inside. She’s not just…

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Exactly. That’s why you and Charlie and all of the people who are starting to flip, this is, you are more dangerous than someone like me because he’s an Arab, he’s a Muslim. He already…

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Of course I did.

CANDACE OWENS: It was your passport.

The Passport Incident and Organized Terror

BASSEM YOUSSEF: To get a new one. I had to get a new one. Damn. You know the whole thing about the passport. There was a bombing attack in Paris 2015. And you can Google this, by the way. You just Google Syrian passport stat Du France. Because also there was a huge, I don’t know, 50 people were killed by machine guns and they conveniently found passports for Syrian people in Paris.

What kind of very organized, meticulous, oh, here it is. A Syrian passport found near a suicide bomber at November 2015. It’s just like, boom.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, you know, never mind. We don’t have to. It was done by the Palestinians. Tyler Robinson.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yes. He just left this very organized, got together terrorist who just goes to all of these operations.

CANDACE OWENS: The best laid plans.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: This is my last operation because I’m going to die after that. So I better get my passport so I don’t lose my way to the 72 versions in heaven. It just becomes so comical. I don’t know.

CANDACE OWENS: No, what’s interesting, actually, is this background, which we haven’t gone to my podcast, but looking into the Charlie Kirk thing and these Egyptian planes that were tracking him and Turning Point USA faith events. Was that the fake names, the real names on these passports, it’s interesting. How many are Palestinian, which is I’m convinced these were Israeli plans. That’s why they’re panicking about it.

Obviously. We all know Egypt, the whole thing. They’re running stuff through Egypt, obviously. But there I was, oh, this is interesting. This person died in Palestine. And this exact full name is one of the passports. I got the list of every Egyptian name. Yeah, that’s on this.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: They always hide behind other Palestinians.

CANDACE OWENS: I’m like, did you know this, by the way? A bunch of Palestinians were apparently in Provo the day that.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, yeah. I mean, this is where Palestinians have.

CANDACE OWENS: Get excited. You guys should help me. The Zionist lobby. Help me. Did I. They’re Palestinians. They did it.

The American Dream and Foreign Control

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I’m actually very happy that my life led me to actually live the American dream. I’m actually very happy. I’m a proud American, by the way. I got my passport six years ago, and I’m happy that I have established my American dream. To finally come here, live in America, work my a off, pay my taxes to sponsor Israel. That is my dream.

Because this is how, and it’s funny because in the third world country we used to that kind of control, that happens after an invasion. We didn’t even have to be invaded. It’s more administrative. You don’t need tanks or planes. All you need is a couple of fundraisers, dinners.

CANDACE OWENS: You have to shoot JFK.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: No fundraiser dinners.

CANDACE OWENS: You have to shoot JFK and get enough money. One person did it. And then get all your boys into the military. And that’s how America was taken over, obviously. And then just get a bunch of homosexual men to go to DC, catch them on the apps. Lindsey Graham.

And then, I mean, whatever they’ve got on Lindsey Graham, he’s terrifyingly supportive of Israel. No matter what they want, we got to bomb around right now. It’s his file terrifies it, that file. And Bibi just sits there and he just freaks out. I was, love you so much, blah, blah, blah. I’m like, whatever they have on Lindsey Graham, it’s scary.

By the way, how about we never got the answer to which congressman was sleeping with that young male intern. Or someone’s working in the office on the congressional floor. Do you remember this? Yeah, they wiped this away. That’s how Israeli blackmail files are created. They got that story. We have no idea. This happened in a congressional building on the congressional floor. And we have no answers as to what that was actually about. Who was the congressman on the other side of that?

The Epstein Connection

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And it’s funny how when everybody’s talking about Epstein, I mean, you cannot say, oh, nobody is talking about Epstein. Everybody talks about Epstein. Epstein comedy shows, whatever. But they never talk about the very obvious connection with a foreign intelligence. You see ABC Epstein, NBC Epstein scene and Epstein comedy centered Epstein. But they never talk about the Israeli connection. Well, it’s there, right?

CANDACE OWENS: What do you mean? He was Hamas. That’s when they’ll start talking about it. As soon as we work through. Oh, it turned out actually he was working for Hamas.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, yeah. Oh, he was indicted 2008 and he was allowed to go to Israel during his.

CANDACE OWENS: Yes, that’s what’s coming next.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: He just happens to go to Israel and then he will come back.

CANDACE OWENS: That’s why they put Barry west CBS. That’s what’s coming. They’re working on that narrative. They just have to figure it out. And it’s the most despicable thing that was for me done with Trump as soon as he said what Epstein files. Easiest way to lose me as. Talk about the children.

If we can’t defend the children, what kind of nation are we if we as a country turn away when we know children are being abused? And then I started to realize, oh, that’s the name of the game. That’s what the CIA is doing. They are trafficking human beings. This is what they are involved in. And we’re all kind of waking up to that spell.

And then they have us arguing with each other left versus right. And that’s why I’m, are you team God? Are you team Satan? And it’s actually kind of shocking how many people are Team Satan.

Disenfranchisement and Political Reality

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I will say that away from God and Satan. I’m someone. I’m a prime example of someone who, when I got the day, I got the American, I remember the day that I had my pledge of allegiance. 2019, December 2019. I remember that that day I was so happy. Not just because of becoming American citizens.

The first thing that they give you as a new American citizen, they give you the form to write down your information for the passport. And the second form they give you is your voting registration. And it’s this is my first thing as an American because I was there on a green card, legally, for five years. And I could only vote local in local elections, but not in the general elections. And I was so proud. I was, oh, now I can vote.

It took me four years to completely be disenfranchised from the voting operations. There’s no point. There’s no point because this is what the right and left do. They would kill each other, slit each other’s throat over everything. Immigration, healthcare, open borders, closed borders, the wall, militarization, everything. But everybody will compete to be Israel’s favorite b.

So now there is no point. If you are 50, 50 of everything and you’re only 100% on this one thing, there’s something fundamentally wrong with this business.

CANDACE OWENS: I agree.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: There’s something fundamentally wrong with this.

CANDACE OWENS: My, I guess you could say my red line was the Charlie Kirk assassination. I’m like, if Charlie Kirk get killed in broad daylight and our states are colluding to cover it, there’s only one state that would have that kind of power to make them collude to cover it. Okay, yeah, there’s only one state in the world. Okay, who’s involved.

All you have to know is Israel is involved because it’s a cover up. That’s it. There’s only one nation that would be involved. You got Bibi calling him. Everyone’s lying about it. They’re pretending. I mean, Bibi going on a press tour immediately after to say, I did not.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: We did not Charlie Kirk.

CANDACE OWENS: I didn’t kill. Whoa, buddy. We haven’t even. And Trump drops the tweet with him hugging the Israeli flag. They were so obvious. It was no one had a thought that you did anything until you started saying you didn’t do it. And he loved us. We didn’t kill him.

Economic Exploitation and Self-Respect

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And I just want to talk to the people watching us, especially America first people. It’s forget Israel. Forget everything. I’m just sick and tired that my hard earned money is going to sponsor the lifestyles of Israel. You have free education, free housing, using free health care.

CANDACE OWENS: And Ukraine, by the way, because that’s.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Where they’re actually from.

CANDACE OWENS: They’re from Ukraine.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Exactly. But I’m working for the benefits of someone else in a different country. And this is what. And now we have the homelessness. We have the problem with healthcare. And I say America is not poor. The problem with America, that it lacks self respect. We are being pushed around.

This is some sort of BDSM economics where basically we’re sponsoring them, but for somehow we are their b. This is dominatrix kind of level of, you know, slap my a and take my money kind of thing.

CANDACE OWENS: And Trump pulling out the chair for Bibi is symbolic of everything.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: It’s just I don’t know about evangelical Christians who used to that kind of humiliation, saying that you’re not even going to be good enough. As though those people. But come on, have some self respect.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: It just pains me.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. And I say that about.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I immigrated for this.

The Masculinity Crisis

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. Well, that’s. Look at even the drop in testosterone over the years. That’s intentional. The mass poisoning of men. The water. Oh, that’s a fact.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Do you think we’re now. Americans are flaccid because of Israel?

CANDACE OWENS: Genuinely. Genuinely. We are facing this. The testosterone crisis, as I call it. I mean, because of stuff they’re putting in our water, the stuff they’re putting in our food. And over time, what that’s done is we do have too many theatrical boys that really want to go to DC because they want to be on stage. They want to go into media because they want to be on stage.

And this is my. And I know that you disagree with this because you’re a little bit. You’re more on the left. I think that none of that stuff means anything.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yes.

CANDACE OWENS: But this is my ultimate contention with the pushing of the LGBTQ narrative is I see the more nefarious thing. They do not want the kind of people that are going to stand up. They want everybody obsessed with objects and buying stuff and the men doing their makeup.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: It’s about identity politics. It’s not whether it’s the LGBTQ, whether about.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s just the attack on manhood is significant.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: They want to attack. They want people just being. Have all of these fights between the massive.

CANDACE OWENS: Masculinity is what they hate the most. True masculine masculinity is what they. No, true masculine is what they hate the most. The kind of guy that’s going to stand up and defend for his family that that’s what I’m speaking about when I say we cannot have this. They are telling men it is wrong to be men. That’s it’s they hate masculinity. Full stop. You can be anything you want, but don’t be a man.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: So low T vibes.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s low T. It’s so low. That’s why everything is faking gay. All right, we’re going to take it. I know you guys have a bunch of questions for him. We’re going to take a quick break to throw to some of our sponsors and then I’ll answer some of these questions.

The Influence of Zionism and Media Control

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Okay, we have comments. Charlie’s Angel Charlie’s Angels writes yay for Candace hosting him when he was on the now podcast. I don’t think that they got the message that he was telling them that they were literally just used in the pattern and strategy that is employed on a much larger scale. Yes, they were. And I like the knock boys. They’re great, great. But it was very obvious that. Yeah, that was one of the podcasts Bibi could get on. By the way.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Charlie Kirk said no, I told them like you were recruited in 2022 and you were activated in 2023. This is what they do. They were like. I noticed there was like a whole kind of recruitment that two, three years before 2023, as if they knew it was happening. And they just like used all of these weapons once October 7th happened.

CANDACE OWENS: If they pursue talent. Like I said, you’re coming up. I started my channel on YouTube by myself. And if they think, oh this person’s got potential, they bring you in. They pretend that you’re your friend, your friends, we’re going to help you. Let me help you in your path. And then you divert from one thing they want and suddenly you realize this is a gang. This is a literal gang.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: This is how I know I’m not talented enough. Because no one contacted me.

CANDACE OWENS: No one contacted you?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Damn.

CANDACE OWENS: I’m so sorry. I think it was.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I guess you are the anti somewhat of the year.

CANDACE OWENS: This person writes something important too. Walter Mitty Hunter says look at the suicide rate of the IDF soldiers who top themselves after fighting in Gaza even though they are guilty of a new holocaust. They’re very high suicide rate. That is correct because they probably figured out that it’s you’re a human and when you are murdering children you kind of have to live the rest of your life knowing and hearing those screams and understanding what you were told to do. You were brainwashed. You did it. But then you have the consequence.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yes. And or you join Breaking the Silence, which is like the group of the IDF soldiers who they have a movement called Breaking the Silence. Ex IDF soldiers who speaks about the atrocities that they did. And then now they come up and saying like, what’s happening behind the scenes of their operations in Gaza and West Bank. And it’s been going on for years.

CANDACE OWENS: Wow. Wow. I would like to see that actually.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah. Breaking the Silence. You can. Yeah. I should look it up.

The USS Liberty Cover-Up

CANDACE OWENS: Ama Musa writes, Ward Boston was a Navy Judge Advocate General who investigated Liberty, USS Liberty. Before he died. He published a notarized statement in San Diego Union Tribune that the investigation was a cover up and the attack was deliberate. I mean it’s the most obvious deliberate attack.

And it’s interesting because the New York Times contacted me, they’re doing some big piece on it because they are realizing that this issue is now it matters suddenly. And they were kind of trying to get to the bottom of it and found my video with Phil Turney because that got like 7 million views. And we’re going, what made you want to do this and why this now seems to be a litmus test for the right.

And I’m like, good, I’m glad it’s litmus test for the right because it’s absurd. We didn’t know that this happened. And because Gen Z and all of us millennials are waking up going, if the government was willfully mass murdering their own military men and then covering it up, we still live in that system. That means these people are still in power. Until you can admit that the liberty was deliberate, the psychopaths are still in power.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: It’s interesting that you’re getting that from the New York Times who no one has. Its editorial team are full of people from ex IDF and ex Mossad.

CANDACE OWENS: I think the angle is anti Semitism.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But we’ll say, yeah. Is it like the New York Times who had proudly published a piece of like what they were saying there is about there is more tunnels inside the underneath Gaza more than the length of the New York Times. The New York subway system, which I didn’t know that Hamas were great builders. They should come and build their own infrastructure.

This is the New York Times. This is the level of proficiency. They had like screams without voices or whatever. This. They had like a whole piece about the rape, that rape hoax which was completely fabricated. There were Israelis that were mentioned in the article said, like, that didn’t happen. This is not what they told us.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s just, yeah, they did lie about the rape, which is crazy. Norm Finkelstein sat across and he explained everything thoroughly about how they lied about the rape and how he actually looked into it. And that’s. That is. It’s amazing because he’s such an academic. That’s why nobody wants to debate him.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yes.

CANDACE OWENS: Because he’s like, let me take the time and research this and to hear him speak about that, that. But think about what kind of a person would make that up for propaganda to say that babies were put in ovens and then to have us realize that that was all made up. It was all propaganda. And again, the reason why it’s never a good idea is because a slippery slope inevitably is. Okay, well, if you were lying about.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: What happened October 7th, what else are you lying about?

CANDACE OWENS: Exactly. And that’s that. That was me.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But okay, they are lying. What about the responsibility of American journalists and American media?

CANDACE OWENS: Well, they built. They built the mirror.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: They don’t even. They don’t even. I mean, all of the information that we got about the Hannibal Directive, about Israeli soldiers killing their own people, about the stand down operation, we got this from Israeli media. All of this in Israeli media, but not a single word about that. In New York Times, about CNN, nothing.

CANDACE OWENS: Because they built those.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But you will have Jake Tapper talking every single day about the fake rape stories, but he will never say anything about what’s being being reported in the Israeli media themselves.

CANDACE OWENS: It is true. It is absolutely true.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Katya writes, Candace, please tell Boston that I loved him in the TV show Lioness as Rohi. I’m Rohi.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yes, please.

CANDACE OWENS: He is very handsome. I think she’s hitting on you.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, please. I’m.

CANDACE OWENS: I’m crazy.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah, I appreciate that.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. There you go.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Thank you.

Phil Turney’s Testimony

CANDACE OWENS: Project Constitution writes, I agree with Phil Turney of the USS Liberty. I interviewed him on my channel, too. His story is so powerful. When you look him in the eyes, you just. There’s something that just comes on spiritually. Like this man. He is. He has held on to that day for decades. And all he wants is for the men that died. I mean, this. I can’t even think about it, honestly. Makes me choke up. Just what he lived through. He was 2020. Just horror that you couldn’t even imagine.

And then the moment where he tells about the IDF soldier and just describing them, where they saw. Saw the IDF People coming in and they were like, oh, great, our friends are here. And then all of a sudden, the captain yells, prepare, we’re about to be torpedoed. And I. That moment of consciousness when you realize that your friends are the ones that set you up, you can’t even describe. You can’t even think through that emotion where you’re going.

He’s like, we had a little. We had Star of David’s IDF. Sorry. Idea. Star of David, Israeli flags inside of the ship. Because you were going out there to go protect them. We see these black helicopters were getting attacked. We don’t know who is. We think it’s Egyptians, of course, because that’s one of their preferred angles. Egypt blaming Egypt, hence the Egyptian planes. On Charlie assassination day.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah, we get blamed for everything. And they. And they get all of their credit for building the pyramids. What the hell?

CANDACE OWENS: So, like, we’re getting attacked by Arab nations, and then suddenly you see these little IDF boats coming up, and you’re going, yes, okay, finally, support. And he’s like, he’s. And then he suddenly hears, prepare to be torpedoed. And that IDF soldier, the. Then gives him the middle finger, made eye contact, and to this day, people are gaslighting him. They didn’t know.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, they didn’t know.

CANDACE OWENS: It was a mistake.

Israel as an “Ally”

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And then it reminds me about this, one of the big talking points about Israel being our ally, because I asked them, why are there allies? Why are there allies? Why are we spending so much. Oh, we spend that much money for intelligence.

CANDACE OWENS: Yes.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: So they can blackmail us, but for intelligence. But, okay, so the point of view is Israel is a great ally because they will tell us so much info to protect our leaders, our troops. In 1982, the very famous bombing of the American Embassy of the American Marine Corps. 250. Was it 250 Americans killed or 50, I can’t remember. It’s one of the biggest casualties for American troops. 1982 in Lebanon.

And there is a book by a Mossad agent called Viktor Ostrovsky. It’s called By Way of Deception. That in that book he said that the Israelis, the Mossad, knew quite well about the bombing when it’s going to happen. The blue Mercedes Benz van that was going to be using the attack. And they withheld the information from the American troops. And they said, like, well, let them deal with it.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, of course, it’s a nonsense.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And that book, By Way of Deception was the only book in the history of American literature that there was a gag order for 24 hours. They managed to stop that book for 24 hours. It was the first and last ever gag order on the American book in the United states. And that’s 1992.

CANDACE OWENS: Also, actually, there was Hollywood Babylon too. And there’s a reason for that. They then changed it. That’s why they’re obsessed with publishing rights. Because if they own your book when you die, they can change what’s in your book. It’s unbelievable.

But Victor Otrovsky also was on camera about speaking about how Jeffrey Epstein worked for them. And they’re like, there’s no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was facade. Except the Mossad agent who literally came out and said that he was working for the Mossad and the other Mossad agent as well, who came out and said he was working for the Mossad. But there’s no evidence.

I love when they just say there’s no evidence. That’s one of my favorite lies. There’s no evidence. Because you keep saying there’s no evidence does not make it so. But they believe if they just keep saying the same thing over and over again, it will eventually become the truth.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: They shout love lies into becoming truth. There’s no evidence.

CANDACE OWENS: There’s no evidence.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: There’s no evidence it didn’t happen. No evidence it didn’t happen.

CANDACE OWENS: It did not happen.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: It did not.

CANDACE OWENS: Zero evidence.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: That’s a lie.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s crazy.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I’m just making this up. You just hate us.

CANDACE OWENS: There’s an overwhelming amount of evidence actually. And, but they, their idea of evidence is when they are ready to admit it.

The Ungovernability of Black America

BASSEM YOUSSEF: That’s for them, evidence is just suggestions. Like the same way we Egyptians street traffic lights. Just suggestions.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay. Nadbua writes, “Thank you for hosting this live stream and talking about the subject. God’s justice and power always win.” Flagliano writes, “Thank you both for your courage. God bless you.” Sesame writes, “Hi, I’m Rich.”

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I’m ready to accept Jesus Christ right now. I’m feeling all of these crosses and all of these things. I feel like I’m ready to get you.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s working. It’s working. Not my place writes, “When are you having the very public, famous and influential Palestinian DJ Khaled on so he has the platform and opportunity to speak on behalf of the people of the nation that he came from?” I have a whole thing about the DJs.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I don’t think DJ Khaled is the right person to talk about. He didn’t even talk.

CANDACE OWENS: What kind of Palestinian is he?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah, he’s a kind of Palestinian who cares about his Nike shoes more than you.

CANDACE OWENS: Should look into more DJs. I covered this. A lot of them are, you know, agents from the Matrix. Averiche writes, “This is how you know that Bassem is new here. College is not the freest place in the US. Come to the hood.” Yeah. You know, in the hood. That’s what I keep saying. It’s not going to go down like that. They’re going to go in the hood and be like, okay, this is the last thing that we got to do is we just have to, like, you know, take their phones home. They can’t talk about Israel.

That’s what I’m watching. I’m live streaming that because I’m like, don’t think it’s going to go that way. I make the joke with Theo Vaughn because he comes over here for dinner. I’m like, at the end of the day, it’s not even a joke. I’m like, America is going to be saved by black people. And Milo said, he’s like, it is the ungovernability of black people that you can bank on.

I’m like, we are going to save this nation because as you can see, we have this for some reason. There’s just something within us that we’re just like, no, actually, when they bring out the droids and they’re going to take out the robots, and they’re going to be like, okay, we’re going to control everything that you do and monitor you. Who was the number one group that was not getting that vaccine? You’re welcome. You are so welcome that you can always bank on the ungovernability of black people.

Because at the end of the day, we’re, like, wired toward freedom. And we’ll be like, okay, you’re doing too much government. We’re not getting that vaccine. They were like, we’ll buy you Nikes. We’ll buy you ice cream. We’ll get you tickets to see DJ this or whatever. And black America was like, not doing that.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Well, you know, Egyptians were practically Africans.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, okay. Yeah, exactly.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: So we will be with you.

CANDACE OWENS: That’s what I’m saying.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: To take us with you.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, it’s you can bank on that. And that’s, I think what ultimately drove Daily Wire crazy was like, when they were like, oh, just do this thing. And I was like, that’s immoral. I’m not doing that. Absolutely not going to be governed. Well, we have a contract. I’m not going to be governed to say that it’s acceptable to mass murder children. Like, I don’t care about money. I don’t care about contracts. It’s right versus wrong at a certain point before the…

The Rabbi Barclay Interview

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Show, you told me about your last episode in the Daily Wire.

CANDACE OWENS: Yes, it was what I think it was my very last. It was my very last. It was or of the second to last, Rabbi Barclay. It was really retrospective.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: That’s what broke them. But this is what they told you. Like, you need to go. But he didn’t bring someone from pro Palestinian. You brought like an Israeli or like a pro Israeli Jewish rabbi who was just like telling you all of these. You just let him speak. You didn’t interject.

CANDACE OWENS: So politics light.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And that was enough for them to kick you out.

CANDACE OWENS: Rabbi Barclay is still one of my favorite interviews. I think it exists somewhere on Rumble. He was just so brilliantly a Jew supremacist. Like, he didn’t even realize it. Like, they don’t even know what they’re saying. They’re so confident in what they’re saying and they’re like, let me explain to you why it’s actually perfectly fine for Jews to murder people and why it’s always wrong if somebody else says anything and insults a Jewish person.

Why the words of Kanye West hurt much more than the bombs of Bibi Netanyahu. And I was just sitting there following him, being like, okay, can I get a definition of anti-Semitism? And he was like, whatever we want. He literally said, it’s a hate that mutates. There can be no definition. It’s like, whatever we say tomorrow. And I was like, am I tracking this correctly? And I just let him speak. And it was a disaster.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But that’s in the comments. If you want to see Candace do an episode about like the behind the scenes of that episode. Because I would love to see that.

CANDACE OWENS: It was fantastic. I still always say he is always welcome back. I genuinely enjoyed. I was on a roller coaster of like just trying to follow and get him. And then I realized, oh, I figured it out. This is supremacy.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Wait, wait, wait.

CANDACE OWENS: You could probably…

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Can you invite… Can you think he will come if you invited him on this show?

CANDACE OWENS: I think he would. And you know what he did afterwards? He was like, I can help you. And he told me that I could have a private screening of October 7th. He was going to, they were going to bring the laptop to me to see what the Palestinian, what Hamas did. And then I would understand why racism is fine as long as it’s…

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Is it interesting that we never saw that screening? We never saw this.

CANDACE OWENS: I was like, why can’t you listen to the public?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Two and a half years now.

CANDACE OWENS: You guys love that.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And so like we haven’t. There’s stuff that we cannot…

CANDACE OWENS: We could not show you. Why? You show everything.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Show everything. Okay. There’s something about showing everything. You know how people were talking about how IDF soldiers like film themselves, like them themselves, like wearing women laundry and playing with the toys of the kids that they just killed. In any military in the world forward, there’s discipline. They will not allow this to be aired unless they give them the direct permission to just like show and film their atrocities as it’s happening.

And I asked a professor about this, like, why they’re doing this? It’s like they do that because they need the hate. They do that because more and more people will hate Israel, will hate IDF and some of people will not make the distinction and they will just like hate on the Jews. It’s like, see anti-Semitism. We are justified to keep doing what we want, which is crazy.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, no, I think you’re actually, I think you…

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I think you should do the episode and even a bonus bring that rabbi back.

CANDACE OWENS: I love that rabbi. I do, deep down, because he really was like, oh, you just want me to just say, like, it’s okay for you to be racist and that you’re more important than me because, like, you’re Jewish and so you’re extra special. And I was like, did you pay attention to anything I’ve done in my entire career?

Like, I was willing to stand up to my own people on BLM stuff when it was getting ridiculous. They’re coming in on speech and everybody’s a race. I don’t subscribe to this at all, whether it’s a black person, a white person or a Jewish person. But I finally hit the ultimate supremacy. It’s Jewish supremacy. And if you do not bend the knee…

Christian Zionism and Supremacy

BASSEM YOUSSEF: There’s another rabbi called Yusuf Misrahi and he talks in his videos very openly. He gives lectures in Los Angeles, in New York. And just first of all, he doesn’t call him Jesus Christ. He calls him J.C. Penney. He makes fun of like, oh, they JCPenney. And it’s like those stupid Christians, they think that they, if they support Israel, it will bring back the Messiah. But it’s not going to be their Messiah. It’s going to be our Messiah.

And he just like talks openly about how stupid Christians is, how stupid JCPenney is, how stupid all of this is, and they’re just, like, doing it for us, and it is good to just use them for our behalf.

CANDACE OWENS: No, you are…

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And by the way, I’m not. This is just, like, out there in the open, often these rabbis just talk openly about how stupid Christians and Muslims are and how they use them to fight with each other.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, no, and I do believe that. I think they believe that Christians are stupid. And I think for too long, we have been not stupid. We have been ignorant. We’ve certainly been ignorant.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And that’s because if you have your own pastor standing…

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, exactly. We’ve also been under one of the most intense psychological experiments I think, ever. America has been a psychological experiment. And if we can control the media, if we can control the education system, you know, get them into school, if we can control Hollywood. Yeah, it’s pretty hard to wake up from that spell, but we’re doing it.

I don’t know. I’m an optimist. I feel like because they’re growing, they’re just becoming increasingly more unhinged because they’re losing control. Right. When they were cool as a cucumber and they didn’t care and they weren’t being all extra and firing people, they had power. They’re, it’s glitching. It’s glitching, and we’re happy.

That’s the other thing. They are miserable. Every time you see them, they’re angry, they’re ranting, they’re screaming. They’re saying that they’re victims. I mean, they’re so vitriolic. They’re, like, pulling up. Did you see what they did to Tucker’s brother? They, Laura Loomer, by the way, they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of influencers.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: You descend that slow.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, they’re desperate. That means they don’t have. They used to be able to get Charlie Kirk.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: No.

CANDACE OWENS: But now Charlie Kirk…

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I still disagree that they are desperate, because if they’re desperate, they’re buying everything. I mean, they are desperate, but with a lot of money. Yeah, but Larry Ellison, like, taking away your TikTok, taking over your scene and an HBO and just, like, giving you all. They’re just, they’re angry and they have all of that money.

CANDACE OWENS: That’s what makes them angry is they have all the money. They’re buying it, and they still have no influence. The numbers are not ticking upward towards Israel. That’s what makes them angry. It’s like, whoa, I’m a bajillionaire and I bought TikTok. Why aren’t the TikTokers saying they love Israel? That’s what drives them mad.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Do you think it matters?

CANDACE OWENS: I think it does.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But if you have that much money to make the biggest country in the world just, like, direct its weapon to whoever country they want, maybe they tell you that they’re sad that you’re not on their side, but maybe they don’t care.

CANDACE OWENS: Oh, they care. They care. I think it’s pretty obvious and get optimistic. I’m telling you, I think we’re going to win.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: But I’m a comedian. I need to be pessimistic. That’s actually, that’s good for my comedy.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, it is good.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I can’t give you hope with my comedy. I need to give you despair and laugh about it.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, yeah. No, we do need the comedians, though. I’m telling you, like, Tim Dillon is. I’m ripping his content all the time. One day he’s going to send me a legal letter.

Breaking with Trump

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Are you still Team Trump?

CANDACE OWENS: No, no, Epstein.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: No, no, no.

CANDACE OWENS: Like, so, like, that was it. That was like, goodbye. Like, no, I mean, there is. I do not go halfway with defending pedophiles. Goodbye.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: So how would you define yourself? Because now I’m completely disenfranchised. I cannot say myself.

The Satanic Influence in Government and Military

CANDACE OWENS: I’m disenfranchised. I’m disenfranchised. And I love how they abuse me. Talk about going back to your narcissistic abuse. They literally are like, f*. You can’t get into country, you can’t get back onto a stage, we’re going to make sure you could never speak anywhere. And then they’re like, why isn’t she telling people to vote for.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, oh, oh.

CANDACE OWENS: She’s got the number one podcast. Why aren’t you telling people to vote? Are you out of your mind? I hate all of you. I think you guys are all a part of the same demonic entity. Your God is Satan. You guys are ball worshippers. You will continue to kill and sacrifice children until you feel that that demon rewards you and I stand against you.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: You’re intense.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. This is how I feel about. They are satanic right and left at the top. And that’s why I want them to know is it’s. I know because of how committed these people are to Satan. Because they literally hired Satanists to run psychological operations in the military. As we covered Michael Aquino. And like, literally, Temple of Set was at Fort Huachuca. Like, they. An avowed. Started his own Temple of Set everything. And that was the reason they hired him. They’re like, these are the qualifications we’re looking for. You got to listen to my podcast. Very interesting.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I am listening to you.

CANDACE OWENS: I’m not saying, like, I’m not talking. This isn’t like an allegory. I’m saying literal.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Oh, I remembered that guy with his eyebrow. I remember the eyebrow. Oh, that’s Aquino. That guy. He has another picture with.

CANDACE OWENS: More his own Church of Satan after he had disagreement about. With. He was in the Church of Satan, and then he had disagreement with the guy who started the Church of Satan because the guy was like, well, we’re saying, like, Satan has an idea. And he was like, no, I mean, like real Satan. Like, this. Satan is not an idea. So this was their great schism, the Satanic schism. And so then he.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: So he’s actually in the Church of Satan. He’s just like a member of that.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. And then he started his own. Because they. They had this schism where he was like, no, Satan is a real being, and I believe in him as a real being, not an idea. So then he started. Started the Temple of Set, which is Satan is a real being.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: That’s like Satanism on steroids.

CANDACE OWENS: Yes.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Wow.

CANDACE OWENS: And they. Then the military was like, I like what you’re doing there. I like the idea of harming children. Let’s bring you in to run psychological operations. Yeah.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Okay.

CANDACE OWENS: This is not a joke. This is like, this is real life. When I. What I’m saying. I’m not saying this to be cute about like, oh, oh, they’re Satanic. I mean, literally, we are fighting people that worship Satan. Like, that is what I truly believe. These are like ball worshipers, and they sacrifice children.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And he is into liberal art hearts.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. Of the Apollo Program. Jack Parsons. What was he. He was. He was a committed avowed Satanist or during sexual rituals, he was trying to summon demons. And that’s the problem. What do they say? Like, the. The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing the world that he didn’t exist. And I’m saying to the world he exists. And we’re fighting these people who are doing everything in their power to make sure that he continues to have dominion in. But we’re waking up. We’re recognizing that.

And I’m optimistic because inevitably, I’m Christian Christ Is king. Truth is king. Truth is winning. And years ago this would have never happened. You and me, this combination wouldn’t have happened.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Where do I fall into this spectrum as a Muslim guy coming from?

CANDACE OWENS: You did not allow it. This is like you’re a Muslim. You did not love it.

Bassem’s Pre-9/11 Story

BASSEM YOUSSEF: By the way. I have, I have a funny story about this. I was actually in Miami, me, weeks before 9/11. I’m, I’m not making this up. I’m not making this up. This. Okay. All right. So you understand my background. Before being a comedian, before being a satirist, you know, I was actually a doctor. I was a heart surgeon.

CANDACE OWENS: No way.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah, I was a heart surgeon for 20 years before all of this. So the, the day, the, the year that I finished my medical school, I had like a year off before I start, like my, I have like a time off before I start my residency. And I, and I, and I saved enough money and I. To. Summer 2001, I went to Miami. Why? Because I wanted to go there to teach salsa, to learn salsa. And I became a salsa dancer and I came home and I, when I went back home, I was a cardiothoracic surgeon and I opened the first ever salsa school, salsa dancing school in Cairo. I was doing that. And I have a very, very, very interesting background.

So. So 2001 in the summer, my return ticket from Miami was 17th of September, six days before, after 9/11. And then my money ran out a week before 9/11. So I just like changed my ticket and I came back and I was just still like, you know, jet lagged. My mom wakes me up, like, wake up.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s like, what’s up?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Look at the TV. And I see like, like the, the, the, the, the, the, the first tower like going. That was like, oh my God, I was supposed to be there.

CANDACE OWENS: Oh my.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: I was supposed to be there in Miami where they actually had the training. And, and thank God, like, I was broke before that happened.

CANDACE OWENS: Right, well, thank goodness you were broke before that happened because it was crazy. I mean, I just remember being like Jesus. I was like afraid of every Muslim. I was just like, they did such a good job. Everyone was in front of the TV screens. They were just like, you know, it’s the buzzlows buzz was like. It was a whole simulation which lasted. I mean, I was literally instilled in me to have. Just be suspicious of Muslims. Yeah, like they were training us up as, as these little sorts, but really all they want to do was just like bomb things in the Middle East for Israel, obviously.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: We’re just following weapons of mass destruction.

CANDACE OWENS: Say okay to war. Yeah. In every country that mentions if.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: If we, if we believe them at that time, why do we believe them now?

CANDACE OWENS: We don’t. That’s why they’re spazzing out.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: There’s a lot of people who do.

The Charlie Kirk Investigation

CANDACE OWENS: We don’t. That’s the whole point. And that’s why he’s on camera and he’s acting like he’s in control. We got to buy TikTok. That’s not BB In Control. BB In Control doesn’t say anything. BB Control is not doing podcasts in America after Charlie Kirk dies. That’s not objectively a smart decision if you, if you’re involved with murdering someone. They just seem to be spiraling a little bit. And, And I do believe we’re going to find out who killed Charlie Kirk. I do believe Israel was involved. And I, I mean, I will find out who killed Charlie Kirk and.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Well, Piers Morgan didn’t like that when I said it. It’s like, oh, you’re just like spreading conspiracy theorists. Like, come on.

CANDACE OWENS: I’m so tired of the conspicuous. Just stop conspiracy theory now.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Anything that doesn’t being get repeated, it.

CANDACE OWENS: Has been reported by Bari Weiss. Bari Weiss.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: She’s such a great journalist.

CANDACE OWENS: She can’t even sit up straight. She’s my favorite because it’s. I like that now they’re just so naked about it. You know what I mean? They’re just like, in your face. Blah, blah, blah. This is not a meritocracy.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: They’re like, in your face. Incompetence. Yeah, they’re just like getting like, Ben Shapiro, Bari Weiss.

CANDACE OWENS: And like, they could have picked some. A smart Jewish Zionist and kind of like held on to the illusion that like, oh, maybe it’s meritocracy. You know, he’s a really bright guy. They’re like, Bari Weiss. It’s. She’s like the most unimpressive person and they put her there. And so every day the hardworking employees who probably, like, you know, graduated with top honors at schools, have to walk. Watch her walk in and pretend that she is. Deserves to be there and is a serious person.

I love thinking about that. Like, she passes these cubicles every day to go to her big office. Office. And she has no shame. She’s just completely shameless. She’s just like, yeah, no, it’s fine. I’m allowed to be here now.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: She’s in control of Paramount plus, which actually have Lioness, which I have like a great scene there. So I think I was going to be removed.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah, they’re going to remove me from there.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: They’re going to meet.

CANDACE OWENS: She’s so brilliant.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yeah, she’s brilliant.

Bassem’s Tour Information

CANDACE OWENS: By the way, I want to say this before we get off. Where can they go to support you? You’re on tour?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yes, I am actually having the Belly of the Beast tour, which is the beast. Belly of the Beast, which is basically talks about, like, my experience as a immigrant coming and finding here, coming my finding myself, that I’m a citizen of the empire. It’s a very new, exciting feeling, like being part of this, which actually your story too. You were in the Belly of the Beast in the Daily Wire.

CANDACE OWENS: I was.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: And you came out. I was out and I came in. So we have like a. This kind of like a tag. I’m actually like my first. I would kick off the tour after Ramadan, my birthday, 21st of March. So 20th is going to be important. 21st in Seattle, and I’m going to be in Philadelphia, D.C. Houston, Atlanta.

CANDACE OWENS: The 20th are going to be where?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: 20th I’m going to be in Portland. 21st Portland in Seattle.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: So that’s my first two.

CANDACE OWENS: But where can they buy tickets?

BASSEM YOUSSEF: www.bassimus XYZ XYZ because X.

CANDACE OWENS: You guys go buy tickets. Go see him. I mean, truly the watch in its entirety. Him on Piers Morgan. I really think that’s got. It’s got to be the most views Piers Morgan’s ever got. That thing went absolutely viral and for very good reason. It was. It awakened a lot of people, myself included. So anybody who’s interested in suing me this year, you could also just sue him. I think that’s easier.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Probably come to my show.

CANDACE OWENS: Everyone is like, oh, Candace is crazy. She needs to have her. Have you considered going after him? He’s the reason that I did everything. No one’s been going after him. It’s a little bit ridiculous that I wanted somebody of the year when it was. The entire thing was. I brought him on here to say that I didn’t do anything. I am a victim. And if you. If you want to sue someone, it should be Bassem.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Yes.

CANDACE OWENS: Thank you guys so much for joining us.

BASSEM YOUSSEF: Thank you, guys.

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