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Full Transcript: A Conversation With Bishop T.D. Jakes and Pastor Steven Furtick

Here is the full text of: A Conversation With Bishop T.D. Jakes and Pastor Steven Furtick: Don’t Drop The Mic. In this inspiring, life-changing and wisdom-filled conversation, they talk about the power of our words and living life in every season.

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He’ll Do It Again (Genesis 4: 25)

Steven Furtick: I thought what I wanted to ask you before we sit down.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: All right.

Steven Furtick: I’ve been thinking about this for a month.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: No, I haven’t lost any weight yet. About one pound.

Steven Furtick: If you were going to preach right now, let’s say a Sunday morning at the Potter’s House and Pastor Joel was scheduled to preach. Where’s Pastor Joel? But he got injured doing 500 pound bench press.

And they say, Bishop, Pastor Joel is not preaching, and the praise team has finished and Marcus has dragged out the music as long as he can. And you’ve got to preach. What texts do you preach? I think I know, but I want to see if I’m right. What texts do you preach?

Bishop T.D. Jakes: You don’t know. You don’t know. You don’t know. For God, said she, had appointed me another seed instead of Abel who Cain slew. (Genesis 4: 25)

My subject is He’ll Do It Again.

Steven Furtick: No, I didn’t guess that one. Have a seat.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: Yeah. Have a seat, everybody. So that’s in the Bible, that verse? How many have ever listened to Bishop Jakes preach and you’re like, does he have the same Bible that I have? Oh, I was going to tell you this.

So my oldest, Elijah, the other day, can I tell him? We’re on the porch and I quoted a Bishop quote to him and I said, well, Bishop always says… one of these little parables that you’ve spit out, just this beautiful, beautiful, beautifully crafted thing.

And he goes, oh, that’s Bishop? I always thought that was a Bible verse. I’m saying to you is you are so loved in the Furtick home that my kids think you wrote parts of the Bible that aren’t in the Bible. That’s how much you mean to us.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: I’ve never been told that before in my life.

Steven Furtick: I can’t make that up.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: That’s amazing. I love you all too.

Steven Furtick: What does that feel like though to be the most imitated preacher in the last 50 years?

Bishop T.D. Jakes: I’m not sure that’s true.

Steven Furtick: Assuming that it is.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: Assuming that that would be true, imitation is the highest form of flattery. But if there is anything higher than that and more important than flattering itself is to find the true power of being you. Yeah. Yeah.

Why be a cheap copy of a great original when you have the option to be yourself?

Steven Furtick: So when you’re starting to preach, people say, be yourself, be yourself. But when you’re first starting to preach, yourself sucks. Not as a human being, but as a preacher.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: That’s true.

Steven Furtick: So then you hear, oh, don’t imitate anyone else. I actually wanted to start the conversation tonight because this book is a gift and thank you for taking the time at this stage in your ministry to share this. I think it’s so relevant and I’ve been waiting for this.

I think a lot of people have, but I wanted to start not just talking about communication in general, but imitation.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: Okay.

Steven Furtick: Because imitation, isn’t always a bad thing, right?

Bishop T.D. Jakes: No. Well, okay. You want me to go past no. Okay.

Steven Furtick: Well, it’s preached like it’s a bad thing, like it’s a spiritual danger.

What Mentorship Really Means (1 Samuel 3)

Bishop T.D. Jakes: Let me explain what mentorship really means. It means that when Samuel grew up and was brought by Hannah into the House of Eli, he was unable to discern the distinctives between the sound of Eli’s voice and God. That is the initial stage that God sounds like the person who mentored you.

Gradually, you come to a point that the umbilical cord cuts and you have to go here to lay down the third time before he recognized that it was God talking and not Eli. And he says, Eli says, when you hear the voice again, go and lay down in the same place and say, speak Lord, thy servant here.

So it is my job to gradually lead you from God sounding like me until you can hear that God sounds like God. You see?

You see? And so that weaning process starts with him being weaned from Hannah. And now he is being weaned from Eli that he might draw the breast milk from the breasted one himself and thereby find the nutrition that he needs.

The other thing that’s important to realize is that we are looking at a generational passing of the mic from Eli to Samuel, and for Samuel can hear God, but cannot discern him. Eli has lost his ability to hear the voice, but can discern it.

Steven Furtick: Say it again.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: Okay. Okay, look. Eli couldn’t hear the voice, he was asleep.

Okay. Samuel being the young people, could hear the voice, but didn’t understand what to do with what they heard. Okay. We have a generation of people that can hear the voice, but they lack the wisdom to understand what to do with what they hear.

Eli, on the other hand, has lost his ability to hear his adventuresome proclivity to step out into the unknown. He’s playing it safe. His eyes are growing dim. His senses are decaying, but his discernment is still keen.

So what Samuel needs from Eli is wisdom and discernment. What Eli needs from Samuel is the adventurous curiosity that allows him to hear the unhearable.

Steven Furtick: This is all in the first seven minutes.

Bishop T.D. Jakes: It’s so funny that you should bring him up because we are on the impetus of a transition now that is similar to the transition of days gone by. God said, I am going to do something through Samuel that is going to cause both the ears of them that hear it to begin to tingle, and He chooses to do it to a person who has yet to learn the confidence to hear the God that is going to do it through him.

So the promise of God is bigger than the reality of the individual, and he has to grow into it, just like he had to grow into his mother’s coat she brought up every year, not knowing for sure what size he would be. She makes the coat big enough that he can grow into it and greatness must be grown into. Yeah.

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