JRE: #2495 with Rep. Tim Burchett (Transcript)

And I still don’t think we’re the best that God can do. I mean, I just can’t imagine we’re his shining — we’re the one they put on the mantle. “Oh, look, he made humans.” Well, we’ve kind of screwed things up.

And I read my Bible and a lot of the Christian folks knock me. They talk about demons. And I say, “Well, I’m good with Jesus. I’m not worrying about demons.” I don’t think they’re demons. I don’t know. Why would they? They don’t have to fly around in some craft. It’s just hard to imagine.

But the underwater thing — I was getting briefed by a former admiral, came into my office. And Joe, it was a very friendly conversation. And I’m always a little couched — I hold back a little bit — because I think there’s a psyop going on with some of these departments. I was briefed by one of our alphabet agencies not long ago, and the final thing was somebody said, “Well, why don’t we get more information?” He says, “We just don’t have the funding for that, Congressman.” And I know they’re reading the polling data and they’re saying, “Well, let’s shake loose the money tree for us.” And that’s part of it too. And I warn people about that. But I guess in a nutshell, that’s pretty much it.

Getting Into Government and First Inside Information

JOE ROGAN: So when you first got in, how long have you been in government for?

TIM BURCHETT: Well, 8 years in Congress. I was in our state legislature in Tennessee 16 years, and then I was county mayor for 8 years.

JOE ROGAN: So was it when you got into Congress that you first started getting inside information about what’s going on?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: So that was — was that 8 years ago or like when was that?

TIM BURCHETT: Probably 5 or 6 years ago. Let’s see, it was during Trump’s first administration, so it would have been about 8 years ago.

JOE ROGAN: And do you remember what it was? Do you remember how you were introduced to it?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, we just raised total hell about it. And then why? Because it’s a cover-up. Nobody would give us information.

JOE ROGAN: What made you think it was a cover-up? Why did you think that?

TIM BURCHETT: I guess I just don’t trust the government. I’ve been in government most of my life and I just don’t trust it.

JOE ROGAN: I understand that. But like, was there something that led you to want to pursue this particular subject?

TIM BURCHETT: No, it kind of pursued me after I did that TMZ interview. People started calling me and I would get phone calls from people for —

JOE ROGAN: But the TMZ interview was fairly recently, right?

TIM BURCHETT: No, no, no, no, no.

JOE ROGAN: It wasn’t.

TIM BURCHETT: That was what started it all. It was 7 or 8 years ago. I’m sorry.

JOE ROGAN: Okay.

TIM BURCHETT: I didn’t explain it very well.

Encounters with Witnesses and Classified Briefings

JOE ROGAN: So you had an interest from the time you were a child, and then getting into government — what was the first introduction where you had an idea that there’s something going on?

TIM BURCHETT: When I started asking questions. And we just get to run around.

JOE ROGAN: Like what kind of questions?

TIM BURCHETT: Like, “What is this? Where are you seeing these things?” I had an interesting meeting in my office with some people that were nationally known, and they came by to see me and they just want to talk to me about it. And they started telling me things. And then I had a group come to my house. I said, “Y’all just come by the office in D.C. and we’ll talk.” They said, “We don’t feel comfortable doing that.” And they came by the house and they said, “Can we hook up to your television?” And I said, “Well, sure.” And they hooked up the computer to it and they were showing me objects that were flying at — and granted, I’m not an astrophysicist by any stretch of imagination, but they were showing me things that were flying at speeds that nothing compares to. And the angles that they were taking would literally — and I’ve said this before and it grosses people out — but it would turn you or me into a ketchup package. I mean, you go this way and then boom, you’re going this way, and we have no capability of any of it.

And now I’ve been briefed so many times from different groups. We scrub missions because these things are out there. And then we tell everybody that’s involved to keep your mouth shut. And then if you’re a pilot and you come back and say, “Hey, I’ve seen this,” you’re immediately pulled off the flight line. I’m not a pilot or military person, but flight line is what I call it. They’re not able to fly and they’re given a psych evaluation and they’re given an 8-hour — they call it a debriefing. I’ve been told by some of the officers who have been involved, it’s really just an interrogation. And then you got that hanging on your record.

JOE ROGAN: And so it influences them to stop.

Pilots, Briefings, and UFO Encounters

TIM BURCHETT: They just keep their mouth shut. I literally had a guy tell me that he said his recorder, it was an older style plane. And he said, I think he said it was close to his right knee. And when he got that on his recorder, he started smashing it with his right knee to discombobulate it so that it wasn’t even— because he didn’t want anything. He did not need it. He saw it. He didn’t need it on his record. Even if he saw it and it was on a dadgum tape, they drag you in.

And so, myself, Luna, and Matt Gaetz went down to Florida to be briefed by— Matt was told that some pilots had seen some things and they had some photographs. And so we go down there and, again, we go in. I told Matt, I said, “Matt, they don’t give up this stuff easy. We’re going to go down there and I have a bad feeling they’re going to turn us out.”

Well, we went down there and, Joe, they briefed us on some very, very serious issues that they were dealing with, with the Chinese and communist infiltration and things going on around Florida in the ocean. But they did never have the— they wouldn’t bring the pilots in. Matt said, “Hey, I understand all this, but this is not why we came down here.”

And Matt said, you say what you want to about Matt Gaetz, but he’s a great orator and he’s a great attorney. And he just started flailing on them. And he told them, he said, “Here’s what’s going to happen. You’re going to jerk me around. And I’m going to subpoena you all. We’re going to call you all back to Washington.”

And I remember looking over in the corner at the suits. And I called them spooks because they were obviously some sort of military intelligence or CIA. And I leaned over to Matt and I said, “The spooks are getting nervous, brother,” because they were kind of shifting around. And they shut us down. They said, “Nope, we’re not going to do it.”

And Matt said, “I’m calling whoever big Air Force was.” He was on one of the military committees, and he called. An hour later, they stuck us up in this room and had microphones under the desk. I remember Luna reached under and unplugged them. And they had a nice fruit tray that you paid for, taxpayers. Thank you very much. So I went and ate like a jackass eating sawbriars. I was just eating. I didn’t care.

And so finally, he came back in an hour and the guy says, “I don’t know who you all called, but you’re going to get your briefing. They’re bringing the pilots in.” And literally they brought these pilots in and they were in their flight gear and they had just come out of the planes. And they described things. And it’s been reported now, it’s been reported in public, but it was these craft that were hovering for extended periods of time and could shoot straight up at incredible speeds that we don’t have capabilities of doing.

And these were military people. These were top people. These are like the equivalent— not, you know, they’re just some of our top people. And I know folks are going to say, “Well, it’s probably the Russians.” Well, if it’s the Russians, dadgummit, they wouldn’t be tied up down in Ukraine for how many years. And Putin’s such an egomaniac, he’d fly a saucer to Pennsylvania Avenue, get out, and probably wrestle Trump in the front yard or something, bare-chested, ride a unicorn or something. I don’t know.

If it’s China, they’d own us even more than they already do. And then people say, “Well, it’s ours, Burchett. It’s just ours. They don’t want to release it.” Well, think about this. President Trump, and he should have, and I give him great credit for that, that pilot that got knocked down over in Iran, we spent untold millions of dollars to bring that cat home, and we should have, because it sends a message to our enemies and it sends a message to our fighting men and women that we’re not going to leave you behind, as many presidents have done many times.

There’s no way on God’s green earth that they would risk a half a billion dollar aircraft with something flying around it and risk those guys’ life and all that training to put these guys in harm’s way. And that’s exactly what they’re doing. I mean, these things are buzzing cockpits. It’s not an everyday occurrence. It’s in certain areas.

Deep Water Bases and Underwater Craft

And that’s where the deep water thing comes in, the deep water bases. I was sort of misquoted. I was just telling what I was told. But it makes a lot of sense that these deep water areas are where we see a lot of sightings. And we’ve seen craft underwater that do something over 200 miles an hour that on the sonar pickup are as big as a dadgum football field. And the best we have— we don’t have anything as big as a football field, maybe in length, but not underwater anyway. And the best we can do is maybe upper 30 miles an hour, maybe something like that. I don’t know. But 200 miles an hour, that’s just out of the question. And these things don’t have a heat signature.

And I hope that they release some of the footage that we’ve seen and some that we haven’t, that we’ve been rumored is out there. What I’m afraid of, though, is it’s going to get so sanitized and it’s going to get cleaned up. I mean, even Obama, he said, “Yeah, there are aliens out there.” And then in a recent interview I saw just last week or so, he’s backed up on that. “I was just kidding. I was just kidding.” Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And I saw Trump when he was getting interviewed. He said Obama should not have said that because it’s classified. He goes, “But I might release it. I might make it unclassified.”

TIM BURCHETT: And I hope he does. And I told him that. I talked to the president about it and I said, “Mr. President, it’s like layers of an onion. You just keep peeling it back.”

JOE ROGAN: And I hope he does because he might be the only one that would ever do it. Only one with enough guts. Yeah.

TIM BURCHETT: Because he’s not beholden to that bunch. All they’ve done is try to bury him.

The Warning in the Tunnel

JOE ROGAN: So when these men came to you and they hooked up the computer to your television and showed you, did they tell you why they wanted you to see this stuff?

TIM BURCHETT: They just thought I should know about it because I was asking the right questions. And then shortly after that, I was— go ahead.

JOE ROGAN: I’m sorry, were you told that you were not supposed to tell people about this?

TIM BURCHETT: No, but it’s interesting. I had that deep throat moment. You know, not the porn version, but the Richard Nixon moment, where I was walking in the tunnel one day and a person came up to me and it’s always a friend. It’s always a friend that does this. And it was just the strangest conversation. And I’ll never forget it because he said, “Burchett,” he said, “you know, you’re really pushing on this UFO thing.” And I go, “Yeah, yeah, I am.” He said, “Do you really think we need to do this?”

And I just kept listening. When I was a young man, I’d have run my mouth and said, “Oh, shut up.” But I listened to what he said. He said, “I mean, you know, this could upset the religious community and all this other— I mean, some of this stuff just left unknown, you know.”

And I said, “No, it’s not.” The government has no right to decide what I can and cannot understand or handle or see.

And every time, Joe, let me tell you what they’re going to do. I had a 2-page bill for disclosure, and Chuck Schumer had one that was 60 pages, I believe. And he modeled his after the Kennedy assassination committee release, which we’re over 60 years into that, and we still don’t— they haven’t released everything on President Kennedy getting shot. And that’s what they wanted to model this dadgum thing after. Mine was 2 pages long. Of course, mine didn’t get anywhere.

I was told by a member of leadership— they come and sit with me, I call it sinner’s row. I sit on the back row, second from the back on the aisle. Everybody gets in trouble, they come sit with me sometimes. And I was told by a member of leadership that the intelligence community was unhappy with what I was doing.

And then I got a phone call from a former member of President Trump’s staff who told me that I needed to— I forget his exact terminology— he said, “You need to get some bodies around you.” So I don’t know what that means. I mean, I’m the 435th most powerful member of Congress, Joe. So they bump me off and it’s going to be like— there’ll be one tear shed on the House floor, that’d be because I owed somebody $10 and I didn’t pay him back, and then they’ll move on to the next guy.

Missing Scientists and the Deep State

JOE ROGAN: Well, I’m sure you’re aware of this narrative about the missing scientists and scientists that have turned up dead and been killed.

TIM BURCHETT: 100%. That’s real. I think I have a theory on that. I know it’s a little dangerous to throw these things out, but— I was on Fox one time, and I just came up with this. I say, say your family’s mobbed up, okay? And y’all own a nice Italian restaurant, and it’s world-renowned, and you’re busting at the seams, you know, and you’re franchising and putting out cookbooks and everything. You got this one chef who’s the kingpin of all of it, but you’re afraid he’s talking to your competitors. Now, you don’t bump him off. What you do is you rough up a few of the busboys, and that sends a quick dadgum message that you need to shut your mouth.

And timing is everything, and nothing happens by accident in Washington, D.C. To me, it’s uncanny that you got a president— we’ve had these hearings in Washington, you have a president that says he’s going to release stuff, and all in that same time frame before and after that, you’re having some of these high, high-ranking officials disappear. And to me, nobody disappears in this country unless they want to disappear. You know, there’s cameras everywhere, and it just, to me, it reeks of a deep state sewer.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I thought one of the things— one of the subjects that these people were all— they’re all working on different things, but they’re working on alternative energy sources.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, that’s the— I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to cut you off.

JOE ROGAN: No, it’s all right.

Compartmentalization and the Contractor Connection

TIM BURCHETT: But that’s what ties them together. And to their— one of them, a spouse said, “Oh, my husband or wife or whatever never did anything with UFOs.” Well, they don’t talk about it. It’s actually a pretty close-knit group.

And I always remember this. I knock on doors. That’s how I got elected. Nobody really did. There’s not a lot of people like me that come from a family of public educators and get elected to Congress. Most of my contributions are $25 and somebody wraps a Bible verse around it and tells me they’re praying for me. The big boys, they’re always for me the day after the election. They always say, “Oh, come on, we got you a check and we were with you all along.” I always say, “Yeah, I felt it right there towards the end.”

But I’m knocking on this guy’s door down in Farragut and he’s putting his flag out. He’s an older gentleman. And I said, “Hey, brother, did you serve?” And he said, “No.” I mean, it’s East Tennessee. And he kind of held his head and nodded. And he said, “I worked at Oak Ridge.” I said, “Brother, my daddy was on Okinawa when they dropped the bomb. They were getting ready to invade mainland Japan. If my mom and daddy were alive today, they would hug you because that’s— they put it together.”

And he told me, he said, “Tim, before I left,” he said, “a funny thing.” He said, “My wife worked there too. She worked on the timer on the atomic bomb. And I didn’t know what she did the entire time that we were working there.” That’s called compartmentalization, and that’s what you have here.

And if I can elaborate just a little bit more— you’re familiar with FOIA, I mean, you’re a member of the media. Freedom of Information Act. It means I can request from a federal agency— the FBI, they probably wouldn’t give it to me— but any information. But I can’t go after like Ford Motor Company. So what they’ve done is they’ve given this information— whatever, if it’s craft, it’s material, if it’s bodies, I don’t know. I have my suspicions. But they’ve given them to— there are 4 or 5 major contractors that you see that are always the ones putting it out there. There are missile defense systems, they’re coming up with new metallurgy, these new propulsion systems. And I think that whatever they had, they gave to them early on, and they’re the ones. But they’re so far disconnected from the government that I can’t touch it.

And the people that are working on it— there’s nobody alive and around Roswell or any of that stuff that was in and around those years that’s still alive or still working. So all those people are gone. That’s the best secret you can keep if you tell somebody and they die. And that’s exactly what they’ve done.

We’ve been given places, addresses and things, and everybody says, “Oh man, you need to get out to Area 51, Burchett, and see what’s out there.” There ain’t nothing at freaking Area 51. As soon as we announce where we’re going, the U-Haul vans would have already been there and left. And so what it’s going to take is a scientist or somebody that’s going to have to walk out of one of those dadgum labs before they’re allowed to commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head 10 times with a shotgun or something.

Bob Lazar and George Knapp

JOE ROGAN: And so the Bob Lazar story—

TIM BURCHETT: I do. I’ve never met Bob. I know a buddy of mine— a friend of mine— I think sort of broke that story.

JOE ROGAN: George Knapp?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, Knapp. I’m sorry, I haven’t slept much in the last 48 hours. But yeah, George— I met him through all this. And I mean, it’s a big honor because I grew up watching George Knapp. He’s a cool guy.

JOE ROGAN: He’s awesome.

TIM BURCHETT: I love him. He comes to my office and we hang out. People get kind of starry-eyed when they see somebody like yourself or Kid Rock or somebody. But for me, it was George Knapp. I’d ask him stuff and he goes, “Yeah, that was a report I did when—”

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he’s very careful about what he says too. He’s not a guy who says anything that he can’t—

TIM BURCHETT: And he documents it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

TIM BURCHETT: You ever seen his files? I mean, it’s just a myriad of files.

JOE ROGAN: He’s very even-keeled and fair in the way he assesses things. He’s not hyperbolic. The way he describes things is as clean and as accurate as possible.

TIM BURCHETT: He’s not trying to sell t-shirts, really. I mean, he’s a true journalist. I wish other people would look at a guy like that and say, “That’s the way we need to go with journalism.”

JOE ROGAN: A real journalist who didn’t start off with this whole UFO thing. He didn’t want to do— I mean, he was an actual, just regular journalist until Bob Lazar contacted him. And that story— I’ve had Bob on a couple of times. In fact, this is how popular this idea is in the American zeitgeist. The Bob Lazar episode of this podcast is the most viewed episode that I’ve ever had on YouTube.

TIM BURCHETT: Is that right?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s got 66 million views right now. Wow. Yeah, a guy who’s just talking about how he used to work at S4, Area 51 Site 4, where he was back-engineering UFOs. And there’s a new documentary that he just did called S4, where they use CGI and they made models of the craft, and they made him— they brought him— they used this technology that makes it look like he’s a lot younger.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And they showed what his experience was. They completely recreated it, down to a T. Jamie and I got a chance to watch it with Bob and Luigi, the guy who made the film. And watching how emotional he gets when he’s in the room— he’s like, “This is it, this is— this freaks me out, it brings me back.” Because we’re talking about 1988, 1989 when all this was going on.

TIM BURCHETT: And he really— the last report I saw, it was somebody interviewed him at his house. I mean, he had like a mid-’80s Corvette or something. He hasn’t cashed in on it like everybody else seems to do.

JOE ROGAN: No, he hasn’t made any money off of it. And he’s still just a legitimate scientist. He runs United Nuclear Labs. That’s what he does. And he’s a brilliant guy who doesn’t want the attention. It was very difficult to get him to come back a second time. He wanted to wait until this documentary was out and come in and talk again, but he got freaked out. He drank a lot of whiskey. He gets weirded out by it all. To him, the whole experience was very surreal and strange.

TIM BURCHETT: Well, you gotta figure he’s the one that escaped from all of it and is still alive. Somehow he got out and was able to do it before they could silence him. They tried to discredit him, said he didn’t work there, and then I think he produced check stubs even.

JOE ROGAN: Well, not just that. They tried to pretend that he never worked at Los Alamos Labs, but he was on the employee roster. There was a lot of stuff going on where they tried to discredit him, but he went public because he was afraid they were going to kill him. The initial one, he gave a fake name, and he was a silhouette, and he told the story. But then his home got broken into, his car was getting broken into, he got shot at on the highway. It got real weird, and so he said, “Look, I’ve got to go public. It might be the only way to protect myself.” He told the whole story, and he hasn’t deviated from that story. And that’s what’s really kind of crazy, because it’s been, what, 40-something years or close to.

TIM BURCHETT: These guys, they ask those questions— they always say, “Oh yeah, well, was it red?” “No, it’s green.” And then they were adamant that it was red 10 years ago.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

TIM BURCHETT: Everything about him has been consistent. And I’ve seen a documentary on him where they asked somebody to analyze him— was he telling the truth or not? And he said, “I think he’s telling the truth.” It doesn’t seem like he’s lying. But I mean, of course I’m in the business— I’m in Congress— so yeah, he’s an amateur. We’re professionals up there, brother. You only think you can tell a lie.

JOE ROGAN: They’re not very good at it, the people in Congress that are liars. The problem with liars is they don’t really have a good understanding of the truth, because if you’re lying all the time and you’re forging this fake narrative, people see that. And so then when you try to say something as the truth, it doesn’t come off like the truth. There’s a feeling that people get when they talk to you. Now, there are some real crazy people that could just lie in a really insane way. But generally they lie about a bunch of stuff. They don’t just have one lie from 1989.

TIM BURCHETT: The term pathological comes to mind.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

TIM BURCHETT: You know, “That bass was this big.”

The Craft’s Movement and the Fravor Incident

JOE ROGAN: Well, his story— one of the interesting things is he was talking about the ways in which the craft moved. And then decades later, we have footage that shows these crafts rotating in the direction that they want to travel, then zooming off. And then of course, there was the Commander David Fravor incident off the coast of San Diego in 2004. And if that was our technology, the thing that puzzles me is— if we had something in 2004 that can go from 50,000 feet above sea level to sea level in under a second— I can’t imagine that 22 years later there would be no advances that would have leaked through into mainstream technology.

TIM BURCHETT: Well, the energy just for that— the energy— we’d heat our homes in the winter and cool them in the summer. But then again, I always throw out the war pimps. My daddy fought for this country, and their business is war, and their business is very good. They will quickly stand up and trash a guy like Fravor.

He testified before our committee, and I was taken by what he said. I know him pretty well now. But we had the committee, which was crazy. Me and Luna and a bunch of others got together and said, “Man, we got to do this committee. We need to do this.” And so I went to the chairman and he said, “Sure.” And then they sort of blew it off.

Then I go see the staff of these committees, and that’s the real problem in Washington. Reagan said it best: don’t term limit politicians, term limit staff. I go in there and I’m told, “Yeah, well, I think we want to just talk about this Chinese hot air balloon. That’s what we really want to talk about.” I said, “No, heck no. We want to talk about those damn UFOs.” People are calling us about it constantly. I mean, it was just getting so much airplay.

And then I was told by some old-timers— which was kind of cool— they said, “Tim, I’ve been here 10, 15 years and that was the most attended committee that I could remember.” They had to open up another room so people could be there.

I walked out— I was on Fox that morning— and I left my office at 4:30 in the morning. I was outside and I remember it was hot because it was summertime, and there were people already outside lining up that had come from all over the country on their own dime. I mean, these weren’t like wealthy people. One guy said, “This is our vacation this year, we’re coming to this dadgum committee meeting.” And Joe, they were lined up around the hall, around everywhere. And that’s where I met Shawn Ryan and a bunch of people. It was just amazing to me. And that’s when Congress started paying attention to it, because they realized the voters are paying attention to it.

Corruption, Compromise, and Congressional Disruption

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. I mean, that might be the only way to put pressure on them. The thing about the alternative energy sources, one of the things that I was thinking is that if you were involved in whatever, petroleum, like whatever your business is. And there’s something—

TIM BURCHETT: —it put them out of business. Yeah, them and the Pentagon. That was my point on the Pentagon. Yeah, it would put them out of business, put the oil companies out of business, because they say it wasn’t even showing a dadgum heat signature. But if a Blackbird flies across my farm, it’s going to put out a dadgum heat signature, right? And through all the technology we had, you know, as they called them, the Tic Tac. Tic Tacs. Yeah, they look like the little, little mint. And that’s what they were.

JOE ROGAN: That’s what Commander David Fravor saw. Yeah. And not only saw, but there’s video footage of it, there’s radar footage of it. It’s exhibiting travel that’s just beyond comprehension for modern technology, for current state technology.

TIM BURCHETT: 100%.

JOE ROGAN: But if these people were working on some sort of new energy source or some sort of new propulsion system— and you’ve got to imagine there’s a very small amount of people that are on the cutting edge of whatever this stuff is. If this is like groundbreaking technology that’s not known by mainstream physicists or whoever’s working on it, and you only have a small group of people. If you whack one of them, you put a big stop to any progress, especially if you get the main people, the lead scientist, and that guy winds up getting assassinated or winds up in some—

TIM BURCHETT: —disappears. Yeah, disappears.

JOE ROGAN: The one lady was the weird one. So she’s walking with her—

TIM BURCHETT: —she hiking or something?

JOE ROGAN: Yes. Yeah, walking with her friend. Her friend turns around and talks to her and then walks a little further, turns around to say something again, and she’s gone. Just gone. And they bring in dogs, they have cadaver dogs, they can’t find her. There’s no trace, no one’s seen her since. And this lady was apparently— wasn’t she, Jamie, wasn’t she involved in some sort of alternative technology, alternative—

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, I think she’s— metallurgy was her deal. So you think these— right. Whatever this craft or whatever have to be something.

And I said this earlier on one time and it made a lot of sense. I’m surprised that something I said did, but it sort of stuck. You know, it’s like, well, why don’t they just bring it all out now if they’ve got it? I don’t think we’ve got the technology to figure out what the heck it is.

Like, I ride motorcycles. I got an old ’47 Indian Chief. If I were to take that thing back to— when they came over in the Mayflower, right? You know, they would see it and think, “That’s kind of unusual.” They might worship his ass as a god. I know I sometimes do when I go out to the garage. But, you know, they’re not going to be able to adjust the valves. They’re not going to know what the heck a spark plug is. They probably wouldn’t be able to figure out how to make a fuel with a high enough octane for the thing to kick over.

And I think that— and they might polish it, they might get it started. And I think that’s sort of where we’re at with this stuff, Joe. I think a lot of them have something and they just don’t know what the heck to do with it.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s Bob Lazar’s take on it, and that was his take on it when he was working there in 1989. He said they understood how to turn it on, they didn’t exactly understand how it worked or what it did, and they wanted him to try to figure it out.

UFOs, Nuclear Sites, and Congressional Stonewalling

TIM BURCHETT: Those guys that came to my house, they talked about that and how these— something could travel at these light years. And one of them was an astrophysicist. And I don’t really understand astrophysics, but it took me 6 years to get out of UT and I didn’t drink or smoke pot. So I’m just going to elaborate a little bit, if that’s all right with you, brother. Have a degree in shop, technological and adult education. I can fix your lawnmower, I can burn your house down if you need it wired, but I’ll always have a job.

So you got something vibrating over here and then instantly it’s over here, right? And that’s sort of the way they explained it. Put it on my level to understand it. And to me, it proves that there’s a God. I mean, because it’s an instantaneous travel that we don’t quite comprehend. Now, is there friction involved? And that’s where the— when they see these blobs out there that are floating around, that are lit up. I’ve had several people tell me about that, how these— there was one incident where they surrounded a group of our aircraft. And a lot of them deal with nuclear weapons. It seems that we’re around some nukes.

I always remember I went in and it’s been a long time since you had a man bun, so I’m going to knock on this. Had this bureaucrat with a dadgum man bun telling me— I asked him about a certain incident and he said, “Oh, we don’t have data points on that, Congressman.” And I said, “Well, what about this deal?” And he said, “I don’t know what you’re talking about.” I said, “Well, Google it. Everybody in the world knows about it— we had a nuclear power plant that had these things fly over and the dadgum thing shut down. I mean, it’s been documented.” Yeah, it has been documented unequivocally.

And then you have members of Congress go, “Well, they said it didn’t exist, so we’re out, I’m good.” And I’m like, no, no. I’m sitting there reading these officers that are obviously very— I read people. God gives us all a gift. My gift is reading somebody. And I was reading these military officers and they had the full— they’d been serving for a while and some of them had done some things. And I could just sit there reading them. They’re thinking, “This little twerp right here beside me, I’d choke him out if I could.” They were just like—

JOE ROGAN: They were angry.

TIM BURCHETT: No, not at me, at him.

JOE ROGAN: At him.

TIM BURCHETT: At him. Because they wanted to tell something. And this was a Biden appointee. And that’s a lot of the times we are— I was in one situation, I’ll just call it, where they sent somebody in basically just to disrupt and, you know, to throw at a witness. And that witness just— it was like he was like a pro ballplayer hitting a tee-ball, man. He was just knocking them out of the dadgum park every way. So what about— and he gave a date and he said, “Oh, you’re talking about this incident? Well, let me tell you what happened there.” And he would go through everything, and it was beautiful. It was beautiful. And then he got disgusted and ended up leaving the meeting.

And that’s— they send people in to disrupt. They’re just not going to turn. And I don’t know if the fact that— and the corruption in Washington, D.C. is not like it used to be. You know, it’s not like, “Oh, I got a picture of you sleeping with some hooker over in Istanbul, you know, oh, make copies. I want to take it to my buddies.” I mean, that’s about what you’d get now.

But the way it is now is, I think, that some members have a family member or a wife and/or girlfriend that could work for one of these groups, and they’re told, “Hey, you want to keep your dadgum job, or you want these pictures to come out, or whatever— you need a little help here.” And then they go disrupt and come into the committee meetings and ask ridiculous questions to try to get a partisan fight going. And maybe some of them do it unbeknownst to them, what they’re being told to do, but they do it because they’re just lapdogs.

JOE ROGAN: So there’s a strategy where they have a bunch of people that they sort of compromise as disruptors, and they—

The Honey Pot: How Politicians Get Compromised

TIM BURCHETT: —and they are compromised. Exactly, that’s the word. I was on the Benny Show early when he was early on, and I was talking to Johnson. Yeah, yeah. And so he’s been very kind to me. And so he asked me about how do they do it? And I said, “Well, they used to do this thing called the honey pot.”

You know, you’d go on— I never go on trips. The only trip I’ve ever been on a Kodak was to the border down here, down in Texas. And I went down for one day, flew down here, saw the border, saw the people coming over the border, got in an airplane, flew home. It was about an 18-hour trip. It wasn’t any luxury. I stayed in a room that my buddies at the frat house would have probably asked for our money back, and it was pretty rough, you know. Got some good barbecue though.

But anyway, these guys go on these trips, and say you’re sitting down at the bar. I mean, you’re a good-looking guy. Some girl comes up to you, or some guy, whatever your interests, whatever your proclivities are, and laughing at your jokes, and, you know, next thing you know, you’re up in the bedroom naked with them. And then you think, “Man, I pulled this off, this smoke show, and my wife and kids don’t know about it. And I’m just going to— you know, just between me and the Lord.”

And then, you know, you’re getting ready to make a key vote. And then a staffer comes up or a lobbyist or something, you’re in the hall and says, “Hey, Congressman.” Said, “Yeah, man, how’s it going?” “So you got this big vote.” “Yeah, but I’m not for y’all on this one.” “Okay, we understand. Hey, were you in a motel room in Istanbul with a pretty redhead one time?” And they’d say, “Man, I don’t want that out. It’ll wreck my—” “Well, we don’t want it out. We just need your help.” And that’s how they sink their claws into you.

They used to do that, and they might do that now. But I was on the Benny Show and I was talking about that. Oh man, I caught it from— I mean, it was leadership and members, man. Everybody thinks we’re sleeping around. I’m saying, I didn’t say everybody. I just said some of y’all are. I said, you know, don’t— and every day there’s a new one getting in trouble. So it’s not any big secret. 435 of us.

JOE ROGAN: So you get 435 people, you’re going to have a few freaks in there. Oh, 435 of any group of human beings.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Any—

TIM BURCHETT: You go to—

JOE ROGAN: —especially, you know, if you can compromise a man with beautiful women, it’s not that hard to do.

TIM BURCHETT: Or if they’re gay and they don’t want it out in their public or whatever. So I said this to Benny, and I caught it. And then about a week later, a week later— and I said, “It’s probably the Chinese, the Russians or something.” They busted a Chinese prostitution ring. And what did they list as their clientele? Lobbyists, government employees, and politicians.

JOE ROGAN: Of course.

TIM BURCHETT: And then what happened the next week? That story went away. And Benny does this thing. He showed me walking out and he like, I throw a match in the— in the whatever, behind me just burst into flames and I’m walking out, you know, it’s really cool. And he also did a song of me singing “dadgum,” which is my cuss word. I don’t cuss. I say “dadgum” and he did that.

But anyway, that was my point is that they use this stuff and they know what we want. These countries, they know— they own the internet so they know which porn you look at in the privacy of your home that you think you’re— you know, you got this private name on your freaking computer and they know. And so that’s what they’re going to hit you with. So anyway, that’s a long story, but it’s— I think mostly it’s just jobs now.

JOE ROGAN: Mostly jobs and influence and figuring out what you think about.

Congressional Insider Trading and Stock Market Concerns

TIM BURCHETT: You get a dirtbag, you’re going to get him to sleep with some hooker. You know, that’s going to happen, you know, eventually too. But I just don’t— I don’t know if it’s that prevalent.

And I had a lobbyist tell me one time. His name was Tom Hensley, was the Golden Goose. He was a liquor lobbyist in Nashville, Tennessee, and he was a caricature of what a lobbyist is. He had a three-piece suit, big old cowboy boots, smoking a cigar. And we were at the Crowne Plaza. He liked me because I never would vote for his liquor bills, but I never would vote for a tax on them either.

We were there and the guy from the governor’s office came and just chewed both of us out, you know, just treated me— I’m a legislator and he was treating me like a dog. And Goose was sitting back here and he had that fancy Jack Daniel’s Black Label or whatever it is, that fancy version of it, because he represented Jack Daniel’s, made in Tennessee. And he pulls that big $5 cigar out of his mouth and he goes, “Burchett,” he goes, “Governors come and go, but the old Goose will be sitting right here.”

And I said, “Well, what are you going to do, Goose? He going to shut you down, man? You going to tell these people stuff?” He goes, “Burchett, I just need one chairman.” I don’t need the whole— in one body of the House, you know, House or the Senate, I just need one chairman that’ll listen to me. He wasn’t saying— he never did anything crooked in front of me, and he never offered me any bribes or anything, right? But that was a good lesson to learn as a young man when I was in the state legislature.

JOE ROGAN: Well, if you just think about how much money congresspeople wind up leaving office with, just that alone is incentive to play ball.

TIM BURCHETT: You don’t think we’re making 16,000% on our own knowledge? I got— my daughter called me a while back and said, “Dad,” and she’s super smart, she can do anything, you can go to a veterinarian, doctor, brain surgeon, she’s crazy smart. I married my wife and adopted her, my wife was a widow, so genetically she’s not mine, but when she gets into trouble, my wife says, “That’s all you, Tim Burchett.” But she’s an exceptional little girl, and she said, “Dad, I think I’d just like to cut hair.” And I was like, right on, girl, you go and do it. And that’s what she does. She’s going to school to do that.

So I cashed out my $11,000 portfolio, which was a mutual fund, because I think— and I don’t own any individual stocks, but I think that members of Congress ought to do that. That was my bill. You don’t own— more people have played professional baseball than have ever been in Congress. You know, it’s a very tight— and I tell people, if you don’t get off that dadgum plane and look at that Capitol and get chill bumps, you need to get your butt back on that plane and go home because we don’t need you there.

And everybody knocks on Pelosi, and I know that, but out of the top 10, you know where she is in the amount of trades?

JOE ROGAN: Where is she at?

TIM BURCHETT: Number 11. She’s not even in the top 10, dude.

JOE ROGAN: Well, she should get a better PR person.

TIM BURCHETT: I know.

JOE ROGAN: It’s crazy because everybody uses her as an example.

TIM BURCHETT: I know, but she don’t care. I mean, if you were making $16 million at 15,000%, would you care?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, I would be a little concerned that someone would come for me.

TIM BURCHETT: She’s alright.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it’s just bizarre that it’s legal. That’s the most bizarre.

TIM BURCHETT: Oh, it’s not right. It’s not right, but it’s legal. And I just said, look, you cash out everything, you put it in a mutual fund, and I know they got this bill and everybody’s all fired up for it, and I don’t know what I’m going to do about it.

JOE ROGAN: Which bill?

TIM BURCHETT: They got a new bill. They don’t like my bill. Mine and Luna’s bill that says that you can’t own individual stocks, just own a mutual fund. They’re going to let you keep your portfolio. And some of these cats got a $20 million dadgum portfolio.

JOE ROGAN: They made $170,000 a year, which is amazing. Yeah, imagine the average person out there making $170,000 and all of a sudden they make $100 million.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, and the stock market— and we’re involved. And not all of them are crooked. Some of them are geniuses. I’ve been in Congress with some real geniuses. But I’ll give you a case in point. And I’ve said this many times and nobody’s come after me and said they told me to quit saying it, but I don’t care. I got a dadgum First Amendment. I don’t care. They can’t come to knock to East Tennessee and try to beat me. But I forgot what I was saying now, man. I’ve lost my mind. I guess that part you’re going to have to cut out.

JOE ROGAN: Oh no, it’s— we were talking about insider trading. We’re talking about the amount of money that people generate. That’s where we’re at. We’re talking about the bill. Someone’s a genius.

TIM BURCHETT: Really good at it. Yeah. I forgot it. I’ve got so many one-liners in my head, Joe. I should have written all these down. But anyway, not all of them are crooked. Some of them really are that good.

JOE ROGAN: I’m sure.

Congressional Stock Trades and the Ukraine War

TIM BURCHETT: Oh, I know what it was. It was when Russia invaded Ukraine. I haven’t voted for a dime for that. It’s not our dadgum war. I keep my dollars here. We need to defend our own dadgum borders. Well, Joe Biden, for better or for worse, gave Ukraine basically our missile defense system. So immediately we had to replenish our missile defense system. Now, who do you think owns stock in those missile defense systems? Members of Congress. Members of Congress. And apparently some of them had bought it fairly close to those time periods. And so, I don’t know, are they doing something crooked? I mean, you can’t prove it.

JOE ROGAN: Well, if it’s not crooked, they know things that would help them.

TIM BURCHETT: They know things are coming. And I just— remove all reproach. And if you’ve got a $20 million portfolio or whatever, some probably have more than that, you know good and dadgum well you’re going to vote— it’s in the back of your mind you’re going to vote to make my investment worth a little more.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, so the possibility of financial windfall would probably make people play ball, which makes sense, which makes sense.

TIM BURCHETT: I mean, human nature— you got guys up there that, you know, they’ve got expenses at home, got a couple kids in school, got payments on a house, you know, and $170,000 doesn’t go as far as it used to, I guess.

JOE ROGAN: And they— just human nature, you want more. People want more. They want, you know, whatever it is.

TIM BURCHETT: A lot of times it’s not them investing, it’s their wife or their spouse. And yeah, I’ve seen cases of that where, you know, a 16-year-old kid is doing pretty well. Right.

JOE ROGAN: And it’s the child of someone who has some inside information. There’s something that just came out yesterday about Ro Khanna. There’s a guy, Kevin Bass, on Twitter posted this big long— this examination of his stock trades and how much money he’s made and how he’s made it and what he’s done. I mean, it’s just all over Congress. You have inside information. That’s what it is.

TIM BURCHETT: That’s disappointing. I know Ro. But, you know—

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know if it’s true.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, I don’t either. I mean, yeah, but it—

JOE ROGAN: You could pull it up if you want, Jamie. Kevin Bass, B-A-S-S. It’s Bass or Bass. I’m not sure how to pronounce his last name, but he made this very detailed post about it. But I mean, that’s just one example of one person who’s profited. I’m sure it’s probably minor in comparison to the other 11 that are ahead of Nancy Pelosi.

TIM BURCHETT: I sleep on my couch in my office and I shower in the gym. I don’t have a place. I can’t afford it. It’s too expensive up there. I was— I got elected with a guy one time and he said, when we got elected, he said, “Hey, Burchett, I just paid $1.2 million for this place. What do you think?” And I know he was just bragging to me, you know, because no way I could touch something like that. And he said— and I said, “Well, probably in a couple years they’re going to say, I can’t believe you only paid $1.2 million for it,” because the price of that real estate up there is just crazy. It is crazy. And it’s a rich man’s game. It is really a rich man’s game.

JOE ROGAN: And the problem with being around rich men is even if you’re rich, you don’t feel like you’re rich in comparison to them. And so if you’re worth a couple million and this guy over here is worth 50, you’re like, damn, I gotta up my game.

TIM BURCHETT: I gotta up my game.

JOE ROGAN: And you’re in this sort of culture, this culture of a bunch of people that are investing a bunch of money and making a bunch of returns.

TIM BURCHETT: And I’ll tell you one— it was a public meeting. I remember it. It was in transportation. It dealt with some technology in an airport, and it was pretty cool. And I just asked the question. I said, “Is your stock publicly traded?” And I was watching people to see what they did, and they all looked up, you know. And I thought, note to self, call my broker when I walk out of here, you know.

JOE ROGAN: It’s just very odd that that has been legal for so long. That’s what’s very—

TIM BURCHETT: It’s disgusting. And here’s what we’re going to do: we’ll pass some bill and the Senate will pass another bill, or Thune just won’t take it up, which is what we’re seeing a lot of now. He won’t take anything up and it’ll die, and we’ll all go back to our people and say, “Oh look, I tried to do this, I voted for this bill, but I didn’t get a dadgum break, you know.” And look how tough we are. And they’ll all be up at Kennebunkport sipping expensive wine and toasting each other on their great financial choices.

JOE ROGAN: That’s where Bush is from, right?

TIM BURCHETT: I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they’re from Kennebunkport, Maine.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, I just threw that one out. It’s the only place I could think of. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, for somebody like me would be pretty cool.

UFO Disclosure, Black Budget Programs, and Amnesty

JOE ROGAN: So one of the things about this disclosure thing, the documentary Age of Disclosure, and you’re in that. It’s really great if you haven’t seen it, folks, and you’re interested in the UFO phenomenon. One of the fascinating aspects about Age of Disclosure is you got all these insider people that are all talking about all these different experiences that people have had and all the stuff that people know.

And one subject came up that made a lot of sense, and it was that if there have been back engineering programs and they have had access to all this technology, and they’ve had crashed vehicles and biological entities, and they’ve been— all these programs studying this for so long, they had to have funding. So if they had funding, that means they had to lie to Congress. So if they had to lie to Congress, there’s misappropriation of funds. So you’re talking about massive federal felonies.

So if they don’t have some sort of amnesty— and this is one of the things that’s pushed throughout this entire documentary— is that we need some kind of mass amnesty. I’m a very skeptical person. I see something like that, I’m like, okay, I see what you’re doing. You are talking about UFOs so you can get some sort of amnesty for misappropriation of funds, and that might just be straight-up fraud. There might be fraud and theft, and you might have moved money into offshore accounts, and there might be a bunch of shady sh*t, and you could say, “Oh but we’ll tell you some very obscure information about UAPs.” I don’t like that term because it was always UFOs.

TIM BURCHETT: UFOs, that’s a misdirection. I hate that term.

JOE ROGAN: Why do we need a new name? We’ve already had that name forever. Let’s call it what it is. UFOs is fun. UAPs makes me feel sanitized. But if they can give you some f*ing, you know, semi-shady information— now you’ve got amnesty.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah.

Credible Witnesses and Congressional Skeptics Turned Believers

JOE ROGAN: Now you’ve got amnesty. And you’ve got amnesty for decades of misappropriation of funds. So maybe some of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is really back-engineering programs. Maybe they really have been doing these things, and maybe they can give us slowly trickled-down some insight as to what’s going on. It’ll probably take forever, if you ever get anything out of it.

But in the meantime, all these people that have made who knows how much money in shady ways with all this misappropriation of funds, and now they’re not in trouble anymore. Yeah.

TIM BURCHETT: Representative Eric Burleson has a bill to do just that, and it was— but it’s whistleblower protection is the way you need to go about that. And he can’t— he’s tried to get it attached to bills, and they just won’t allow it. They won’t allow it, or they put it on and kill it in the Senate. You know, it’s the same old game, Joe, back and forth.

JOE ROGAN: So then the other problem that’s brought up in Age of Disclosure is, say if you do have a retrieved craft from wherever, another planet, another dimension, whatever it is, from the ocean, whatever it is, and you need to study this thing, where are you bringing it to? Most likely you’re going to bring it to a weapons manufacturing company. 100%.

And so if you do that, well, what about the other companies? They don’t have access to that? Well, then they can sue. Why didn’t I get access to that sort of technology? Why does this person? You’ve damaged my business. And also, people probably lied under oath about whether or not those things exist, or where they got certain technologies.

I mean, there’s a bunch of different reasons — logical reasons — why you could see why they would try to put the brakes on disclosure and try to put some blockades up and try to obfuscate and make things much more difficult to get through.

TIM BURCHETT: I agree, 100%. And that’s why I think these folks disappearing and dying unexpectedly are delivering some of those messages. Yeah, it’s— and members of Congress will, you know, several of the people that have been involved that are really heavily into it now — they were real skeptics. We kind of brought them in. I needed some skeptics. It couldn’t just all be a bunch of folks that thought like I did. And they’re now not skeptical.

JOE ROGAN: Can you give me some examples of like how that happened?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, well, we had a committee meeting and my buddy Eric Burleson, for instance, he was a skeptic. And I mean, I’m a skeptic of a lot of it myself, but I just have been studying for so dadgum long. And he, you know, he was in the committee and he’s asking very poignant, sharp questions, which is what you’re supposed to do in a hearing.

And he’s one of the biggest advocates now for total release of everything. Matter of fact, he’s always at the forefront of writing legislation when we’re doing something. We’re always — me, him, and Luna. Jared Moskowitz on the Democrat side is involved in it a lot. And other members will come in and say, “Hey, can you — I want to be read into this committee or whatever,” which means they can come on when we do the UFO stuff.

But nothing really had the impact as that first committee meeting. And I told people at the end of it, I was recognized at the end. I said the one thing about — and Nancy Mace, of course, she’s involved with it as well. And at the end I said, “You know, fine, I just want y’all to know that people do believe you. This is not some crazy far-out thing, and you all have a right to be skeptical and ask questions of your government and get these answers, because we’re not going to give it to you without y’all being there and raising these questions.”

Too Many Credible Witnesses to Ignore

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s too many stories from too many credible people, too many people like Ryan Graves, too many people like Commander David Fravor. There’s too many people that — you just go, I don’t know why this person would lie about this one thing.

TIM BURCHETT: Can I tell you one that I got on? I was in the state legislature with a guy and he was watching — Unknown Aliens or something. And they film you one time and then they use you for like 3 years. Ancient Aliens. Ancient Aliens. I’m sorry. That’s so great. I love that show. I love those guys. They’re all great fun.

JOE ROGAN: I love it. I love it. Shout out to Giorgio. Yeah. Giorgio Tsoukalos. Yeah. Crazy hair.

TIM BURCHETT: I love that guy. He’s — I think he’s Greek. I need to get him to Knoxville for the Greek festival. But anyway, he’d be a rock star there.

But so again, I’m losing my train of thought here, Joe. I don’t even smoke weed and I’m losing my train of thought. What were we talking about here?

JOE ROGAN: We’re talking about disclosure. Oh yeah, disclosure. Things that people see. Yeah, yeah. I was telling you about some people.

The Navy Veteran’s Saucer Sighting

TIM BURCHETT: So I pick up the phone and a buddy of mine says, “Timbo.” And I recognized the voice. I said, “Hey, brother, what are you up to?” We were in the State House together. He said, “I just saw you on Ancient Aliens.” And I said, “Okay.” And I thought, here it comes — “Hey, you been probed lately?” You know, you get that stuff from some of the guys and gals in Congress.

And he said, “Can I tell you a story?” And I said, “Sure, buddy.” And his voice kind of got quiet. And I remember he hollered at his wife. He said, “Hey,” said her name, “when — what year was that?” — when he was in the Navy. And she said it was — and she gave the date. It was, I think, in the ’50s.

And he was out on a boat. I don’t know, a battleship or an aircraft carrier. But anyway, he’s out on a boat and they were arming a sub with nukes. It was in the early part of that where the subs could launch nuclear weapons, and they were all out on the deck. And all of a sudden it got — there’s just a cloud over him. He said he looked up and he saw this humongous saucer in the air.

And he said, “Timbo, if that thing wasn’t 2 blocks long, I’ll kiss your butt.” And he described it to me — he gave the color, and it was the classic saucer. He said there was lights coming out of portals around it. And he said it made no noise whatsoever and it just sat there and hovered. And they just looked up at it, and then it just went straight up. No noise, no nothing, no anything. Just like, what the heck was that?

And so when they get back to port, the guys in the suits come on — the so-called Men in Black. They’re just spooks, CIA or something. And told them, “This is national security. If you talk about this, you’ll be in Leavenworth the rest of your dadgum lives busting rocks.” And back then, nobody — the cell phone wasn’t invented. Al Gore hadn’t invented the internet.

JOE ROGAN: What year was this?

TIM BURCHETT: It would have been in the ’50s, late ’50s, I believe, early ’60s.

But he gave me some descriptions. And after this came out, my phone, Joe — every day when this started breaking, I would get somebody calling me and sending me pictures of something, you know, that’s like a reflection or something. And I’ll come out to my house. I was afraid I was going to end up in a freezer in North Carolina or something, you know, be somebody’s dinner. And I was like, I don’t want to go out there and look at it. Just send me a picture of it.

Identical Descriptions from Unconnected Witnesses

TIM BURCHETT: And then I got a call from a guy who was Air Force, and I Googled him — he’s legit. And he told me about a sighting he had. He was out — they were out fishing in Florida, and it was near where one of the military bases was. And he described exactly what my buddy had seen.

He saw this in the early ’80s and/or late ’70s. And he described this craft that was just hovering and just going along at a pretty good clip. And these jets were trying to keep up with it. He could tell, because he’s an Air Force guy and he was an officer.

It was strangely identical in the color, the texture — it was an off-gray, I believe. But the size and the circumference and the dome on top and the portholes and just everything was very, very similar to what this guy had told me about just a few weeks prior.

And when you see identical things from people that have no contact with each other, to me that says something. And then with these pilots, they’re risking their careers to come forward. And those engineers in Age of Disclosure that come forward — their reputations and everything are on the line, right?

JOE ROGAN: These aren’t rich people. No, they can’t just retire.

TIM BURCHETT: No, and they’re good folks. I hung out with them when they had the world premiere, which was something else. Me standing on a red carpet, a little out of place in that, at a film festival.

Monitoring Nuclear Capability

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, no, I’m sure. I avoid those things. They’re weird. But this subject — when you talk about them appearing over bases, appearing over aircraft carriers, appearing over submarines that have nuclear capability — it kind of makes sense that if you were from another planet or you’re from another dimension or wherever it is, and you’re monitoring what seems to be the most intelligent species and the most capable species on the planet, that when they would get access to something like that — like all the UFO sightings ramped up considerably after World War II, after we dropped the bombs.

Yeah, there was a considerable amount of activity. You know, that’s when Kenneth Arnold first saw those things and talked about them as flying saucers.

TIM BURCHETT: Called them flying saucers. That was in Washington State. Yeah, yeah. They look like — said it looked like stones skipping across the lake, like little saucers.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, so that’s where the term first got introduced into the modern world. And then you see so many of them, and then you hear these stories about them flying over nuclear bases and hovering over and shutting down the equipment. And just the fact that they would hover over that submarine and then take off — just to let you know — that’s probably—

TIM BURCHETT: That’s what we can do.

JOE ROGAN: It’s probably a smart move if you don’t want to completely intervene and, like, kidnap people and shut down the government and land on the White House lawn and freak everybody out. What better way than to take something that’s completely isolated, like a submarine in the ocean, where you know everybody’s going to lock everything down top secret, and just show yourself and just like, “Hey, b, we’re here, and we are watching everything. So don’t do anything f*ing stupid.”

Compartmentalization in the Intelligence Community

TIM BURCHETT: You know, you talked about that issue or episode. I remember when they first — I’ve never been invited back, of course — but the Intelligence Committee, when they did the UFO thing, they had all these seats and it was open to everybody, Congress and the press and everybody. And they had all these seats behind this white guy and this black guy who were appointed to oversee the UAP issue.

And I remember it. I thought, I’m going to get there early, get the seat down front. And I sat right behind those guys and nobody else showed up. I was the only member of Congress outside of the members on the committee.

And Joe, those guys couldn’t spell UFO. I mean, they were intelligent — I’m sure they’re patriots — but they had no clue about anything. So there were questions asked about certain incidents and, “Oh, we don’t know anything about that.” And I thought to myself, that’s when the compartmentalization came to mind — how they compartmentalize that stuff. Because to them, they could take a lie detector test and say, “I don’t know anything about it,” because they are kept away from it.

It’s like they’re looking down the barrel of a .22 rifle, man. It’s just a little bitty area and they don’t get outside that area. Of course, they ask questions and they don’t — unless they’re told.

The Trump Assassination Attempt, MKUltra, and Political Distractions

JOE ROGAN: And if you want to keep your career, that’s how you have to operate — your pension and everything. Yeah, absolutely. It makes sense that that aspect of it makes sense. What doesn’t totally make sense is why now disclosure? Other than — I mean, this is being cynical — the Iran war is not going very well, the American public’s very upset, a lot of people don’t think we should have ever been involved in that in the first place, and we need some good news.

TIM BURCHETT: I think we need something to distract us, we need something to take our focus off of. If I was going to do it, now would be the time I’d do it. Yeah, yeah. But I don’t think Trump really even cares. I think he just wants to get it out there.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think he does too. He’s talked about it. And he’s also—

TIM BURCHETT: I mean, I don’t think he cares about trying to get everybody off target by disclosing UFOs. I think he cares about all of it, but I don’t think he cares whether you’re talking about it or not. I just think he genuinely sees that America needs to know this stuff.

JOE ROGAN: Well, he also realizes America wants to know it, and he’s an outsider. I mean, even though he’s the president, he is completely — in a lot of ways, he’s an outsider. And I mean, this is his last term, right? And so it’s like, if someone’s going to do it, do it. You want to leave a legacy? Be the guy who releases all these files. They tried to kill him 3 times.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah. So, you know, it’s not — and that ain’t no—

The Judge Who Apologized to a Man Who Shot a Secret Service Agent

JOE ROGAN: Did you see that judge that apologized to the guy — did you see the story? No. Okay. The guy who was at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner that shot one of the Secret Service agents, and the guy got arrested. Yeah. The judge who’s dealing with the case apologized to him for his treatment in jail. Do you have that, Jamie? See if you can find that.

TIM BURCHETT: He should have gotten some quality stick time.

JOE ROGAN: This is another guy — this judge also released another man who was arrested for threatening to kill Trump.

TIM BURCHETT: Oh, Trump derangement syndrome for real, dude. It’s ridiculous.

JOE ROGAN: But the way this judge addressed this man, it’s almost as if he was condoning it. Look at it, it says, “The indictment comes a day after the judge overseeing the case against Allen expressed grave concerns about how he’s being treated in jail and apologized to him in court.”

You’re talking about a guy who showed up with a shotgun. Shot a Secret Service agent — obviously in the vest, the guy’s okay — but “whatever you’ve been through, I apologize for the prior week,” Magistrate Judge Zia Farooqi — I don’t know if I’m saying that right — said during a hearing in Washington, D.C. on Monday.

According to the court documents filed over the weekend, Allen had been in solitary confinement — oh, poor baby — at the D.C. jail after being placed on suicide watch after his arrest on April 25th. His lawyers said that he was housed in a permanently illuminated safe cell with no access to personal items or jail visits, despite repeated assessments showing he did not exhibit any suicide factors.

In an order issued on Sunday, Farooqi wrote that he had “grave concerns” about the conditions Allen was being kept in, which he said were “seemingly unprompted by the facts of the case.” “It could drive a person crazy to be in that situation,” Farooqi said during Monday’s hearing.

That is really crazy. That is really a crazy thing — to apologize for someone who was trying — at least you’re assuming he was trying to kill the president.

TIM BURCHETT: The guy’s been programmed to do this. He immediately turns from one way to the other overnight almost. And we’re seeing this more and more, I think.

JOE ROGAN: What do you mean, the guy’s been programmed?

TIM BURCHETT: I think these people are—

JOE ROGAN: You mean like MKUltra type programming?

TIM BURCHETT: 100%.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

MKUltra, Programming, and Targeted Radicalization

TIM BURCHETT: I think so. But it’s a different — you know, MK, you’re the expert on it.

JOE ROGAN: I’m not really. Well, don’t say that.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, no, I don’t want to get you bumped off. Jerry knows what I know about it. Let somebody else go start your car when you walk out there and wait 30 minutes. Don’t make me an expert. Yeah, I know nothing.

But, you know, the CIA — they were grabbing these people up and giving them, I guess, acid or LSD, whatever, and then programming them. And then they said they weren’t doing it. And then they got sued and they said, “Oh, we lied, we were doing it, but we’re not doing it anymore.” Now, which time are they not?

Here’s my thought on this. I think you’ve got a bunch of people today because of this — it’s just open up your head and pour it in. And they can put these things out to people just enough to where they know that there’s going to be a reaction. There’s some people — you and I are going to read this stuff and go, “Huh.” And there’s some people that are just going to stay awake at night and just fume.

I know people that read stuff and they’ll call me and text me and say, “Can you believe this?” And I’m like, “Dude, man, I live this stuff. Cool out. We’re good. We’re okay.”

And I think that these folks — they know who they are and they can target them. How many of these people are we going to find that have no internet access, have no history of being on the internet?

JOE ROGAN: Right. Like Thomas Crooks.

The Trump Assassination Attempt and Security Failures

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, that’s just total BS. Total BS. “Oh, we couldn’t — we let him on the roof” — and then also they couldn’t get snipers on that roof because the slope was too steep. Yeah, we had members of Congress that are older than me — I think Darrell Issa was there, I know a couple other guys were there too. I mean, he’s an older guy, he’s older than me. I think he was walking around up on it. And that’s bogus. That’s totally bogus. They put Trump in a bad position. And you know, that’s the thing — you’ll never know.

JOE ROGAN: You’ll never know. Well, there’s another thing we should talk about.

TIM BURCHETT: Dead men tell no tales. There’s another thing we should talk about.

JOE ROGAN: There’s a lot of people running around out there saying that that first Trump assassination was a setup and that it was a hoax, and that Trump did it to try to get people to be more sympathetic to him. Anybody who says that doesn’t know anything about guns. Because the shot was from — how far was it? Was it 140 yards? Is that what it was, Jamie?

There is not a person on earth that could nick your ear at 140 yards reliably. Not only that, but miss other shots, first kill someone behind you, shoot another person as well, and just nick his ear. And just by the grace of God, by sheer luck, he turns his head at the right time and he catches his ear.

Okay, 120 to 140 meters, or 135 to 150 yards away during the rally. He was positioned on top of an AGR International building which provided a clear line of sight to the stage. Just that alone is a tremendous failure of security. The fact that they didn’t search and look at these buildings, that you don’t have drones above scanning the area where you have a potential line of sight — an easy shot with someone with a scope.

TIM BURCHETT: And my buddy Eli Crane, he’s a sniper, and he said, “I could have made that shot,” because he’s a SEAL sniper. And my brother-in-law Cliff is a Marine sniper, and he said, “I could have probably done it with steel sights, Tim.” Well, he—

JOE ROGAN: Did the man have steel sights, or did he not?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, he did have steel sights.

JOE ROGAN: So he didn’t have a scope?

TIM BURCHETT: Uh-uh.

JOE ROGAN: It does have a scope. It does have a scope. Yeah, that’s a red dot. Okay. I mean, I don’t know if it’s magnified. It says optics attached to rail. AEMS optics. So I don’t know — I’d have to talk to some of my guys about what kind of a sight that is, what kind of optics that is. I don’t know if it’s magnified or if it’s like pistol optics. But either way, even if it’s just — if he’s prone and he’s got a rifle — yeah, check it out, Jamie. I think that’s just the setup though. I don’t think that’s actually the — AMS Optics, AMS Optics, the optics, right? About modeled, modified with a collapsible stock.

TIM BURCHETT: And the thing to me is that he got up there and people were pointing at him. It was just a complete — is it a breakdown? You think, is it a breakdown? It’s a breakdown if Tim Burchett sneaks into the back of a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert and gets close to the stage. That’s a breakdown. That to me is a complete capitulation. They put Trump out there and there’s people that don’t like him. You can say what you want to about programming and things. I just think it’s out there. I think it is a reality and I think people better wake up, because Washington, D.C. is not — everybody wants to call it a swamp. Okay, so it does have a—

JOE ROGAN: It does have a scope. Yeah, so it’s a red dot. I don’t know if that’s magnified. I don’t think that’s magnified. I think that’s just like what you get on a pistol. It just makes it a little bit more accurate.

TIM BURCHETT: I’d seen pictures of him just walking across an area and you could tell he was carrying something that was fairly long.

JOE ROGAN: Well, not only that, he was walking around the site with a rangefinder.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah. Oh — are you playing golf? He’d earlier put a drone up, I think.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. So if you’re not playing golf and you have a rangefinder, you’re trying to shoot something. That’s it. It’s the only two reasons to use a rangefinder. You’re playing golf, doing archery, or you’re trying to shoot something with a rifle.

TIM BURCHETT: No other thing. But these guys just keep doing this, and I think we’re going to have a hearing on that — not on that particular case, but just on what the CIA is doing and how they could do that today.

The Manson Family, MKUltra, and Operation Midnight Climax

JOE ROGAN: Well, they most certainly can do that today if they could do that in the 1960s. Yeah, there’s a fantastic book called Chaos by Tom O’Neill. It’s all about the Manson Family. Have you ever read it?

TIM BURCHETT: I’ve seen it, I haven’t read it.

JOE ROGAN: It’s phenomenal and it’s mind-blowing. You read it and it all documents Jolly West and the MKUltra program and what they did with Jack Ruby. They visited Jack Ruby after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald, and Jack Ruby went insane and had a complete psychotic breakdown and said, “They’re lighting Jews on fire,” and he was just going nuts. And he was sane before they visited him. This guy was known to be using LSD on people — unknowing people.

They ran Operation Midnight Climax, which is where the CIA actually ran brothels. They had two-way mirrors, and they had these supposed prostitutes give these johns alcohol that had LSD in it, and then they’d monitor them. They were doing that with people — unsuspecting people — dosing them up, trying to figure out what techniques they could use to manipulate people and to get people to do things they wanted them to do.

That’s what the whole Manson family was all about. And what those killings did — the Tate-LaBianca murders — what they did was they turned people against hippies. Like, people had this idea of hippies being peace and love, like, “Oh, it’s a new world and everyone’s just going to do acid and hug each other and drop out of society.” Yeah, then all of a sudden it became, “No, they’re psychotic killers and they’re demonic,” and this is what we have to think about. “We need to ban all these drugs.”

And that’s what they did. And it’s kind of fascinating that they were able to do that and do that for so long. And if it wasn’t for the Freedom of Information Act request, and if it wasn’t for finding those documents that were just in storage — that detailed all this — we wouldn’t have any knowledge of this stuff.

TIM BURCHETT: Most of that stuff disappears.

The Thomas Crooks Mystery and the Assassination Attempt on Trump

JOE ROGAN: I’m sure there’s a bunch of stuff that we have. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. There’s probably a ton of those things that have gone on that they successfully hid, and they got sloppy with this. And Johnny West seems like he was a completely insane person. And how could you not be if you’re running around dosing people with acid? Running fake whorehouses. I mean, it’s nuts. The whole story is nuts.

But the idea that they go, “Hey, we shouldn’t do that anymore.” No. Even though it was successful? That doesn’t track. That doesn’t track with how anything works. That doesn’t track with human nature. It doesn’t track with how the government works. The idea that they don’t have people right now, and also how many people are voluntarily on psychiatric medication that alters them? And then without any sort of formal program like MKUltra, just using bots, just using AI, just using people’s algorithm to radicalize them in certain ways. Of course they’re going to do that. Of course they’re going to try to figure out what they can do, how they can shift narratives in one direction or another.

TIM BURCHETT: I mean, that’s what they do. And Trump’s a threat to their machine. Of course. I don’t ever think we’ll ever find the answer to it. I don’t think somebody’s going to come forward — maybe in our lifetime they might, but by then everybody will be gone again.

JOE ROGAN: Well, where’s the toxicology examination on Thomas Crooks? Let me find out what he was on. Oh, wait a minute.

TIM BURCHETT: They cremated him. Yeah. Quickly. Really?

JOE ROGAN: Not only that, like, why was his place professionally scrubbed? He didn’t even have silverware in his house.

TIM BURCHETT: He had no computers. He had no social media, no internet footprint at all. And then they found stuff that led them to believe that maybe he had international accounts, but he didn’t have it. It’s constant, constant, and it just happens over and over every course of every time.

JOE ROGAN: Not only that, but they documented metadata that tracks specific phones from the Virginia area out near where the FBI area is to his home multiple times. Why? He’s a kid. He’s just a young weirdo kid, and someone’s visiting him over and over again.

TIM BURCHETT: His parents were allegedly counselors, I think, and that makes the whole thing even that much more mysterious.

JOE ROGAN: It’s all weird, and we don’t have any answers, and no one’s asking questions.

TIM BURCHETT: It’s like, bye-bye. Went away. You ask the questions, you’re still not going to get the answers, right?

JOE ROGAN: I mean, that will be one of those things that 30, 40 years from now, people are going to be reading books about it, going, “What the hell was going on?”

The Kennedy Assassination and Unanswered Questions

TIM BURCHETT: It’s like the Kennedy assassination. We had a committee meeting on that, and I asked a question from this doctor who was in the emergency room. They brought Kennedy in, and he clearly — he brought a poster in to show that clearly the bullets had come from two different directions. And so it had to be two bullets. It could have been a very quick ricochet, obviously. And the whole thing, no press, nobody covered it, nothing. To me, that was blockbuster news. I thought that would have been — but again, the big boys didn’t see fit to put that out. And there we are.

JOE ROGAN: Well, just the magic bullet theory alone, like, shut up. That bullet’s —

TIM BURCHETT: Well, that gun is called a Mannlicher carbine. It was — I got one actually, it’s a 7.62 Italian. It’s called the only gun that never won a war. You could have gone to a Western Auto and bought an M1 with scopes on it and made a much better shot than that thing. I mean, the whole thing just stinks. And the gun they show holding up and the gun that they had later — the whole thing is just screwy, screwy. And because we didn’t ask questions back then.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, no one had information, so what questions could you even ask? And there’s a great book on it called Best Evidence by David Lifton, and he was an accountant that was hired to go over the Warren Commission report, and he started finding all these inconsistencies and contradictions in the Warren Commission report.

So then he wrote this book on all the different things that are wrong with the Kennedy assassination and all the different things that we’ve been told that couldn’t possibly be true, and it’s very disturbing — including how many people that were witnesses at the scene in Dallas that died from weird circumstances. And the odds of those people dying — car accidents, suicide, murder, robbery — oh, it’s just too strange.

TIM BURCHETT: And people they can’t find anymore that were in those pictures. Yeah, they cleaned up a lot of the loose ends quick. Yeah, but back then, you couldn’t ask the questions. You didn’t have the internet. But nobody’s even talking about it. You can’t get anybody to bring up anything on Trump getting shot, other than they put out that it’s fake — his ear healed itself and all this stuff.

The Trump Assassination Attempt and Media Narratives

JOE ROGAN: Listen, his ear was clearly bleeding. He got shot in the ear. You can see the blood come out right away. It’s dripping down the side of his face. And the idea that that’s a setup — you cannot be that accurate. You definitely can’t be that accurate with a red dot at 140 yards. You can hit him. You could definitely hit him center mass, no problem. Maybe even you hit him in the head if you’re really good and you’re prone.

But the nicking his ear like that on purpose, and to be there and say, “Hey, I just want you to nick my ear, just a little piece.” Like, there’s not a chance. No way. That’s a fake. And the guy behind him is dead. So what are you saying? You think that’s fake?

TIM BURCHETT: That’s a setup. The fireman lost his life.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s crazy. The whole thing’s crazy. But it’s just this thing where people hate him so much, and the narrative in the media — this Trump derangement narrative that you see in the media — is so strong, and people are so programmed by it.

And for the average person that has a very involved job, you’re working all day, and then you have a family, and you have a life — you don’t have time to really go into depth about what’s real and what’s not real. And you got that Russia collusion stuff shoved down your throat by mainstream media for years, and you believe all of it. 100%. And so you really believed that he’s a terrible person, a Russian agent, all these different things — so you want someone to kill him.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, there’s a group of folks, young folks, that are starting to ask some questions. My wife’s son Tyler, he lives on the farm there with us, and he’s been asking me inquisitive questions because he doesn’t buy it. And a lot of those kids in that generation — I’m glad — I don’t know if it’s the Charlie Kirk effect, I don’t know what that is.

JOE ROGAN: That has definitely had an effect on it because a lot of people don’t buy that story either. But it’s also the internet. There’s enough independent reporters out there that are untied to any organization that has a narrative they’re supposed to push, and they’re uncovering real information that’s screwy, right?

TIM BURCHETT: It doesn’t make any sense. Well, and also when they do, they get trounced upon by the so-called mainstream media. But their numbers — I read somewhere that the amount of information people get from the mainstream media is just diminishing.

JOE ROGAN: Well, COVID sunk them. The way they handled COVID and the way they carried water for the pharmaceutical drug industry. Oh, sh*t.

TIM BURCHETT: And Fauci. Yeah, Fauci. And now he’s going to walk.

JOE ROGAN: Is he going to walk? Because there’s some talk about him possibly being set up for perjury, but there’s only a week to go.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, there’s a week to go.

COVID, Fauci, and the Greatest Transfer of Wealth

TIM BURCHETT: I just don’t — he’ll get a stern letter from somebody in Washington. Oh, that drives me crazy, man. That’s how — the big boys, you go down to the big hardware chain and they were allowing people to go in, but they closed down the little local ones and they closed the churches and the synagogues and everybody down. Yeah. And then we just all got in line. They just rang the bell. We’re like Pavlov’s dog and we just all got in line.

I remember at my hospital in Knoxville, one of them, I came out there to get tested. I got tested — I can’t tell you how many times I got tested. I never tested positive. I’ve never taken the vaccine or any of that. But I can remember coming out there and they had these morgues they were setting up just in anticipation of what — and I just thought, man, this is — if this doesn’t work out, this is the ultimate psyop because people are going to get rich off this crazy thing. And they did.

JOE ROGAN: Greatest transfer of wealth ever. Unbelievably. Unbelievably.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah. And Congress just did it. We just did it and didn’t ask any questions.

Hantavirus, Ticks, and Messing with Nature

JOE ROGAN: Well, it seems like there’s a real pandemic right now on this cruise ship. You know about that Hantavirus? Yeah, that seems really crazy. And ticks —

TIM BURCHETT: Watch that thing.

JOE ROGAN: The tick thing is nuts.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, especially because of meat, because of Gates.

JOE ROGAN: Well, people are finding — I don’t know if this is true because I’ve seen many reports on it, but I’m just going to say what I saw — that farmers and ranchers are finding boxes of ticks on their property. Now, I don’t know if that’s fake. I don’t know if someone’s setting that up to pretend they found these boxes of ticks. But there’s videos of these people finding boxes of ticks.

TIM BURCHETT: Now, what they’ll say is they’ll probably say they’re sterile ticks and that we’re planting them out there so we can diminish the population — that’s what they’ll say. But any time they try to mess with the balance of nature, it never goes right.

JOE ROGAN: Is that what they’re saying?

TIM BURCHETT: This is not — I’m just kidding around. That’s what you’re getting at right here.

JOE ROGAN: And I don’t believe you have a right to go to someone’s property and drop off sterile ticks.

TIM BURCHETT: No way in hell.

JOE ROGAN: That’s crazy either way. But I have a good friend of mine who got bit by the Lone Star tick and has that alpha-gal problem.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, a guy came out to my house yesterday looking at putting gutters up and dadgum, he said — and I said, “You did what?” He goes, “Yeah, I can’t eat anything, any meat produced by a mammal.” I was like, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: So my buddy, he had it — my friend Evan. He had it for a little while and then he did a bunch of treatments and got off of it and then started eating steak again. And he was fine for about a year and a half, and then it came back stronger than ever, and he just can’t shake it.

TIM BURCHETT: It’s been around that long.

JOE ROGAN: So yeah, he can only eat eggs. I mean, he’s basically eating eggs and vegetables. That’s all he’s eating. And every time he tries to deviate, he has a horrible reaction. It makes — for people that don’t know, it makes your body allergic to red meat.

TIM BURCHETT: Right. And who has got genetically made meat now? Yeah, Bill Gates.

JOE ROGAN: Bill Gates. Yeah. Well, they’re doing things with mosquitoes, and they’re messing around with nature in a way that no one’s giving you permission to. The general public does not want you doing this. If they could vote on it, they’d say no way.

Animal Cruelty in Labs and the Beagle Experiments

TIM BURCHETT: You can’t — like those beagles that they show that Fauci — I grew up with beagles, sport number one, sport number two. They are the best dogs ever. And my Buzz was a Cavalier mix — or we think, I’m not really sure — but he was a rescue dog. And that poor thing had never been on grass. And I see those dogs acting just like poor Buzz. He couldn’t climb stairs. And he was mistreated. He can’t hear very well, and he’s the sweetest dadgum dog though.

And those freaking beagles — that rips my heart out because right now I’ve talked to scientists in the labs and they think there’s everything we can do now we can do in the lab without pretty much without cruelty, without bringing in beagles. And why beagles? The whole thing just stinks. It’s disgusting.

The Oil Racket and Big Pharma

JOE ROGAN: It’s disgusting. It’s very evil. I mean, look, I don’t even like when they do it with rats. Yeah, but doing it with puppies is insane. And then euthanizing them after you’ve forced them to be strangled. It’s horrible. Yeah, he did some evil stuff. And he lied, like clearly lied to the American people about transmission, lied to the American people about preventing infection.

TIM BURCHETT: I can remember when they brought him to Congress and brought him into a meeting I was in. I was in the back and he’s a little short guy and I was like, “Who the heck is that?” He said, “That’s Fauci.” And they brought him in and everybody started cheering. I thought I had a bad vibe on him then. And then you talk to gay folks, he was involved in the AIDS— AZT. Yeah, yeah, they got a bad feeling towards him.

JOE ROGAN: Sure, I mean, he’s the culprit. He’s the villain in that movie The Dallas Buyers Club. That’s about him preventing people from taking alternative medications. That sound familiar?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, exactly what they did right now. Right now we’re doing it. I was in Blount County yesterday for a police officer’s memorial service, and an officer came up and said, “You know, my child suffers from a rare disease and we can’t get to this treatment. Can you put a bug in the president?” Sure, we’ll try.

But Trump’s doing that a lot now with RFK Jr. People will try to trash him, and that’s fine. He’s a tough guy. But a lot of those trials now are going forward, cancer and other things. And that’s another reason they don’t like Trump, man. You talk about— I mean, you got Big Pharma, you got big agriculture, and a couple others, and they run the table. Yeah, they run the table.

And I told somebody— and of course big energy, oil— we get zero oil from Iran. Zero. We export oil right now and yet the price is going through the roof. It’s going through the roof because it can. They can. And I always say, how does that gasoline at the pumps go up? That’s been already processed, already been paid for. How does it go up exponentially just overnight, 20 cents a gallon or whatever?

And if that’s because it’s a commodity— how come that quart of oil that you buy at the hardware store doesn’t go up like that? Wouldn’t it? It’s processed oil. Wouldn’t it do the same? And of course diesel— it’s your first cut, I think, is kerosene, and then it’s diesel. And I’ve got a diesel dually, I filled it up yesterday— is over $100. It is the cheapest, it is the roughest cut. That’s why you have these incredible filters, because it’s dirty. And gasoline is the third or fourth cut, and it ought to be the most expensive, but it’s not. I just think it’s a racket. And every time they’ll hold the hearings and they’ll come down there, and the oil companies will shake that money tree. They know how to do it on both sides of the aisle.

JOE ROGAN: It happens all the time. I remember when Bush was leaving office before Obama took office, where gasoline just went through the roof. Everybody was freaking out and no one could explain it. I was like, look, they can. This is like the last chance they can to just jack up the prices, jack up the profits, hold everybody hostage. You have to get gas, you got to drive to work.

TIM BURCHETT: Got an old man in the White House.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, and they just jacked it up.

TIM BURCHETT: It’s payoff time.

Skateboards, Side Hustles, and Congressional Ethics

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, I just— and it’s— I’m a capitalist. I’m a heartless capitalist. I make skateboards.

JOE ROGAN: You make skateboards?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, yeah, it’s cheaper than a psychiatrist. I guess I’m a little bit like Trump. I like ketchup on my steak, although I think he gets his well done. I get mine medium rare. But if you put ketchup on your steak, you should go to jail.

JOE ROGAN: There’s a Baptist church got a bus. That’s terrible.

TIM BURCHETT: They do. No, I make skateboards. So I make this crazy skateboard for Tulsi Gabbard. She’s a buddy of mine. I love her.

JOE ROGAN: I love her too. She is wonderful.

TIM BURCHETT: And she’s from Hawaii. So in Trump’s first— oh, there it is. Okay. I made that skateboard.

JOE ROGAN: Bigfoot skateboard.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, I put my sticker on it. It’s made out of bamboo. Yolk and banana fibers off the banana plant.

JOE ROGAN: Oh wow.

TIM BURCHETT: And she outs me during Trump’s first— there’s my guys at Pluto Sports, they put my wheels and trucks on. They’re guys I was in high school with. But anyway, yeah. I don’t do the fancy stuff. I just do tricks. And not anymore. I’m 61, dude. I don’t heal like I did when I was 51, much less when I was a young man.

JOE ROGAN: You’re only a few years older than me.

TIM BURCHETT: Well, you look good. Thank you. Sorry, man— people think I’m on steroids, but I’m naturally this huge.

So Tulsi says, “Burchett!” I said, “Hey, Tulsi.” She says— and she’s walking in there in the State of the Union, cameras, people around— “Where’s my dadgum skateboard? My birthday’s next month.” I’m like, “Oh crap.” So I make her this skateboard, right? And that picture comes out, and then people all over the world are saying, “Where can I get a Burchett board? Where can I get a Burchett board?”

So I’m trying to be ethical, and I go down to see the ethics guy and this little attorney tells me, “Congressman, you can’t do that. You can’t call it a Burchett board.” I said, “Well, my wife’s got to own the company.” And they think, well, maybe. But you can’t work there and all this other stuff. And everybody down there’s got a side hustle, right?

And I said, “Dude, so you’re telling me I can do insider stock trading but I can’t sell a dadgum skateboard?” And the guy said, “That’s correct.” So anyway, I got about 35 skateboards in my barn. I just keep making them. And I call my attorney.

JOE ROGAN: You make them yourself?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s why I say it’s cheaper than a psychiatrist.

JOE ROGAN: So you make them by hand?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, absolutely. I make them out of bamboo that I cut. A buddy of mine, Chris Pointer, has got a bunch at his house. But I go to the synagogue— behind the synagogue on Kingston Pike, there’s a bunch of bamboo and they used to let me cut it. Now when this airs, they probably won’t.

And then I get oak pallets and banana fibers that grow off the banana plant. I laminate all of those. I used fiberglass with that and I’m trying to get away from the carcinogens, the cancer-causing stuff. So I use Titebond 3 glue. It’s waterproof and water-based. And then I just sand them all down, because you scuff them up after you ride them around anyway.

And my local steel laborers, they needed a project one year when I was mayor of Knox County. Somebody said, “Hey, they want to make a skateboard press.” I said, “Do you want one?” I said, “Yeah, I’ll buy the metal.” And I’m thinking they’re going to build me this little thing. No— I mean, it’s like 3 burly union metalworkers have to put this thing in the back of my dadgum pickup truck. It is a monster. And I can press them, but I’ve got clamps. I do all of it.

But anyway, my wife’s like, “What are you doing out there?” And I said, “Well, come out there and look at my boards, honey. I’m making skateboards.”

JOE ROGAN: There, that’s one.

TIM BURCHETT: This one I laminated up, but it’s side laminated. But my wife always says, “Honey, you go to it.” She says, “I’m sure they laughed at the guy that created the pool noodle.” That’s her line. Always.

Yeah, probably. Right. Kelly said it was just a piece of insulation off some old rental house. And he threw it in— his kids were swimming with it and thought, “Man, I’m going to take that 12-cent piece of foam, take it to Walmart and sell it for $6 apiece.” Now he’s probably sitting on some island somewhere laughing at us, right?

But no, I make them, and I’ve been trying to— anyway, it’s very frustrating. I got a meeting with the attorneys and the chairman of the Ethics Committee, who is a really good guy. He and I came to Congress together, and we’re trying to work it out.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it’s not even that it’s a lot of money in handmade skateboards. The fact that you could have insider trading but you can’t sell handmade skateboards— that’s ridiculous.

TIM BURCHETT: A little ridiculous, isn’t it? It’s also—

JOE ROGAN: It’s like, what, because you’re famous? Because you’re on television?

TIM BURCHETT: Somebody’s going to sway my vote because they bought a dadgum skateboard from me. Yeah, I took one to an auction and I think somebody paid $5,200 for one of those.

JOE ROGAN: Whoa.

TIM BURCHETT: And then some other guy comes up and says, “Tim, I was at the bar and I missed it. If I give them $5,200, will you make me one?” So I got a couple. And then my friends in Claiborne County, the mountains up there, they chair the committee and they asked me, and somehow I thought I was making one, and then I got out of there, I was making three. So I don’t know.

And then people just like them and they put them on their wall. I mean, you’re not going to be in the Olympics with Tony Hawk. So they go, “Hey, Tim Burchett, will you make me a board?” But it’s just for cruising down the sidewalk kind of thing.

JOE ROGAN: That’s awesome. It sucks that they won’t let you sell it though.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, you sell your soul, but I can’t sell a skateboard.

The Taliban’s $40 Million a Week

JOE ROGAN: Speaking of selling— you were telling me earlier before we started, and I said save this because I want to talk about this later— that the Taliban gets how many millions of dollars a week?

TIM BURCHETT: About $40 million a week. It all happened— I was on a podcast and they were talking about it, and Sean Ryan, and he had—

JOE ROGAN: I love that dude.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, great American. I love him.

JOE ROGAN: Good man.

The Taliban, NGOs, and Dark Money

TIM BURCHETT: He’s a good Christian man. He’s been through it. He’s an incredible guy that they’ve asked to do horrible things. And people like that, I give them a wide path. I let them slide on a lot of things. But he’s a good daddy, and he worries about our country. He reminds me a lot of my dad, because Dad was— you couldn’t wake my dad up to the day he died over the top of him, always by his big toe. Because he might wake up on one of those islands, pin me against the wall. He’s a Marine on Peleliu and Okinawa. And Daddy’s colonel was a guy named Chesty Puller. Colonel Puller, you can look him up. He was a Marine Corps legend. And my daddy loved him.

But I’m on this podcast with Sean, and he says, “Hey, I want you to introduce Eli Crane.” He’s a Navy SEAL in Congress. He said, “I want you to go on this podcast with Sean Ryan.” I said, “I don’t know who Sean Ryan is. I’m not a podcast guy.” My daughter always says, “Give me your phone.” I don’t know how to do it. And all of a sudden I got a cool picture of her on there. I don’t even know how she did it.

So I’m on there, and he calls me and says, “I want you to meet with this guy. He goes by the name Legend, and that’s not his real name.” He comes into the office and he can’t use his real name and says, “Look, they’re getting $40 million a week.” I said, “Who is?” He said, “The Taliban.” And he’s an Afghani that fought for us. He’s dual citizenship. I talked to the last democratically elected president of Afghanistan through him on a call. And he’s a dear friend. And he comes by all the time and we talk.

And so John Stout in my office— this guy, his mom and daddy were in a very tragic car accident and they prayed through it and they both lived. Daddy had to get banged up and his mama’s head got banged up pretty bad. And John’s just the quintessential staffer because he’s so loyal. And he loves this country. And so he said, “Boss, I think I got an idea.” I said, “All right.”

So he figured out this monitoring thing where what they do is they send pallets of cash to them through whatever, and there’s 3 banks over there that are owned by the Taliban, and everything goes through them. The Lord takes 10% with tithe, but the Taliban takes a hell of a lot more. They take it right off the top and on ingress and egress. If you give them money or take money away, or if you spend money or put money in or whatever, you take in or pay out, they get their cut off of it every dadgum time.

And so I’m thinking, this can’t be right. So I got a memo on my desk from the State Department. It’s stamped classified, so I can’t talk about it, but then it’s stamped unclassified under it, so I can talk about it. And it basically said under the Biden administration, they think we gave them $5 billion— with a B, $5 billion.

The NGO Scam

Now, how many NGOs do you think operate out of over there? Over 1,000. And then you throw in the United Nations out of Afghanistan. It’s just 1,000 NGOs. It’s a freaking— it’s the biggest scam. I wrote a letter to the president months ago, and they’ve tapped the brakes on the NGOs. Some of them don’t have any money and some of them got a lot.

But Elon Musk told me— and I mean, I hung out with him a couple times and we talked, called me Tim, which I thought was pretty cool— he says, “Tim, here’s how these NGOs work. They start out as a good organization, maybe during Bush 1 or Bush 2. A lot of those limousine liberals, do-gooders, they start these organizations to feed the starving children or whatever. Well, they don’t have any money in them, and some billionaire— we all know, you can just name them— they’ll drop a million in one of those. And then this unelected bureaucrat in Washington, D.C. says, ‘Hey, they got a million dollars, this place is legit.’ And so they give them money, put the money in there for them, and then they start running federal money through that— yours and my tax dollars.”

And he told me he thinks they stole over a trillion dollars. I thought at the time that was crazy. But then I start looking at what happened in Minneapolis, Minnesota— $19 billion. Joe, when I went to state legislature, our state budget of Tennessee wasn’t $19 billion years ago. That’s the amount of fraud and waste and abuse that go on.

Following the Money Back Home

So backtrack to this deal. I get involved with it, and it’s just unbelievable. It took me two— I passed the bill twice. The second time, my buddy John Stout in the office comes up with an even stronger version. And so we send it to the Senate, and we find out that there’s a Senate staffer that somebody said is like the unofficial ambassador to Afghanistan. I’ve literally read where he said complimentary things about the Taliban. Now, those people want to kill us. They’ll— as I like to say— they’ll hate us for free. We don’t need to give them any money.

Well, it’s like pulling teeth through my committee. The Democrats raised a ruckus, because obviously they don’t want anybody looking at those NGOs. And the NGO money— now get this— maybe a little bit goes to feed some starving kid, but a lot of it gets washed and it goes back to the good old United States of America.

Are you familiar with dark money in campaigns? You know, the day before the election, the People for American Justice approved this ad: “Did you know Tim Burchett pushed his second-grade girlfriend down in a mud puddle and never apologized?” That’s what happens, paid for by the People for American Justice. But what’s happened is that money that you’re sending over there is coming back in the form of dark money. And I think both parties are involved with it at some point. I think the Democrats have had a run of it and they’ve got it pretty much closed. They’ve got a pretty good market going on it, in my opinion. And there are probably some Republicans I think I know of that have some dark money too, and not necessarily from this but from other things.

And then you start talking about the UN. Everybody says, “That’s the UN, Burchett. We don’t have anything to do with it.” The heck we don’t. We sponsor the freaking UN. If it was up to me, I’d pull out of the dadgum UN. They are nothing. All they do is get Americans killed. They talk ugly about us and they take our dadgum money and we let them do it because crooked politicians are in bed with it. Washington is crooked as a dog’s leg, Joe. And when this bill makes them report it and follow the money so we know where it’s going, and if it’s going to the Taliban, it’s out.

JOE ROGAN: And so you just explained to me how they would justify sending money to the Taliban. What is the circumstance?

TIM BURCHETT: They justify it by saying it doesn’t happen. But I’m talking to a guy— this guy Legend— who’s got people on the ground. And the people over there, the freedom fighters, are saying, “Please quit sending them money. Please.” And when we left over there, we left how many billions of dollars worth of armaments on the ground? I heard Democrats saying, “Well, those people can’t fly those high-end choppers.” Well, you know who could? The dadgum Chinese who were on the ground before we got out of there. So it’s just a crooked game.

JOE ROGAN: I know, but explain— how’s the money getting to them?

TIM BURCHETT: Okay, it is sent to them through these NGOs and other organizations.

JOE ROGAN: And so we fund the NGOs? Correct. The NGOs send money to the Taliban? Why would they do that?

TIM BURCHETT: Because they get a cut off of it.

JOE ROGAN: They don’t care. Okay, so the Taliban gets $40 million and then they send that money back?

TIM BURCHETT: Some of it comes back and some of it doesn’t.

JOE ROGAN: But as long as they get a piece of it, they don’t care how much the Taliban gets?

The Afghanistan Central Bank and Cash Shipments

TIM BURCHETT: Right, right. This requires a report on any cash assistance programs in Afghanistan and how the U.S. keeps the Taliban from assessing that. And it requires a report on the Afghan fund and the Afghanistan Central Bank. And these reports, of course, would shed light on the Taliban’s influence over the Afghanistan Central Bank.

And you can research it. A lot of it is these do-gooder programs— “Oh man, we’re taking care of the orphans, we’re taking care of this.” And you know good and well they ain’t taking care of any dadgum orphans. They’re stealing the money to do it. And it just infuriates me. And then I hear them say, “Well, it’s not happening.” I say, “Well, if it’s not happening, then dadgummit, pass the bill. What’s it hurt?” We pass worthless legislation every dadgum day. And I can’t get a peep.

I said to Thone when he came in, when King Charles was in— which was kind of funny too, I had a funny conversation with King Charles. By the way, no kings. I’m not a king. There’s a picture of me. I did a video on my X account at Tim Burchett. See, I threw that plug in.

JOE ROGAN: But the Central Bank of Afghanistan said it received another injection of $40 million in cash this week, and this is literally $100 bills in stacks. Is that real? Is that a stock photo, or is that them showing a photograph of the money they received? Because I can’t imagine they’re sending bricks of cash.

TIM BURCHETT: Oh yeah, absolutely. It’s pallets. It’s called a pallet of cash.

JOE ROGAN: I’m reading through this explanation of it from these reports.

TIM BURCHETT: He’s saying exactly what these are all saying, but this is a lot of— And I’m not as—

JOE ROGAN: Look. Explanation in here. I got a mutual fund.

TIM BURCHETT: I don’t understand all the money, but when I see $40 million going overseas in cash too, is crazy. There’s no record of it.

JOE ROGAN: Take it and divvy it up. And yeah, this is—

TIM BURCHETT: We print it every day.

JOE ROGAN: “The UN is responsible for purchasing, transporting, and transferring at least $2.9 billion in U.S. currency to Afghanistan.”

TIM BURCHETT: This is from 2024, I think, when this was printed. So they have to find the cash on— call your senator and say, “I want this dadgum bill on the floor.” Crazy. It’s passed the committee, and it was like pulling teeth. Apparently I offended somebody, which I’m sure I did.

JOE ROGAN: But I don’t understand why anybody wouldn’t recognize that giving money to an organization that hates us, a fundamentalist religious organization that—

TIM BURCHETT: They’re not a religion. They’re not a religion.

JOE ROGAN: They’re a cult, or whatever you want to call it. “Since its first cash shipment, the UN has made at least 80 purchases of cash for transport to Afghanistan.” 80. 80 purchases of $40 million. “The UN reported that it began purchasing and shipping cash because of Afghan banks’ inability to participate in international wire transfers and Afghanistan’s lack of domestic currency circulating throughout its economy.” Oh, so we got to help them out and give $40 million a week.

TIM BURCHETT: And the starving kids are still starving and the little orphans aren’t being taken care of. And they’re still throwing gays off of buildings and poking little girls’ eyes out. Are there any gays left? They got to be in the closet.

JOE ROGAN: They are in the closet. There’s a lot of that, a lot of pedophilia. I have some buddies that served over there.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, they got some horrible stories. This guy wanted to— a guy was going to frag an Afghan general or something one time, he told me. And he used to work for me. He had mental issues over it. Oh, it’s horrible.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I’ve heard horrible, horrible stories.

# Memories of a Marine Father

TIM BURCHETT: It’s just like my dad. My dad wouldn’t go back to Okinawa because if I can digress quickly, Daddy went back for the 50th anniversary of the invasion of Peleliu, and he said— I said, you going to go back to ’50? Because, you know, those Marines, that’s not a lot of those guys are left, you know, and they’re all gone now. But he said, I ain’t going to go back to Okinawa.

And he said— he told me this story— he said they came over this hill and a Corsair caught a bunch of Japanese out in this field. He’s called— Dad called it a lucky strike. Dad loved the Corsair. That thing dived at over 400 miles an hour and just lit them up. Caught them out, obliterated them when they run up on them. And they had been raping some of the islanders or Korean girls that they’d collected.

And I think that messed with my dad, of all the stuff he saw, blowing caves and shooting people up close. And that’s what he said— I won’t go into it because I got a daughter that’s going to be watching this thing. But it was— and that’s what scarred my daddy.

You’d have loved him. He was— my buddy Chris Haggerty got an Acura for Christmas. It was a bright red Acura. And, you know, Acura’s not made in America at the time. And Dad goes, “Hag!” He says— my daddy was a dean at UT, dean of student conduct— “Where’s that thing made?” And he goes, I reckon it’s made in Japan, CB. And Dad goes, I reckon you’re going to be parking that thing out in the street. Daddy just went back in the kitchen, hagged one out, moved his act out on the street. Nobody messed with my dad.

He was— I remember the neighbor one time, she comes over and said, somebody’s in my house! And I was like, what? And I’m downstairs and I run upstairs and Dad runs by me with a Browning Hi-Power. I mean, he’s probably 70 years old. And he was clearing that house. He ran in that house. And I remember my mom was on the phone and said, don’t shoot my husband. He’s in a blue powder leisure suit. Oh, man, he was something else.

Real Christians

He was— Yeah, Mama was something else, too. They were— they were real Christians, so they weren’t bumper sticker kind of Christians. People would— I would— And to this day, I don’t like— I love the Waffle House. You know, it’s America’s premier steakhouse and I go in there and I don’t like eating breakfast food any other time than at breakfast because I can always remember as a little boy, Daddy would always pick up somebody on the interstate.

Somebody broke down, Black folks, white folks, you know, anybody, or some UT student that was having a little rough go and bring them to the house. And there wouldn’t be enough hamburgers for me, my brother, sister, and I, you know, the 5 of us. And but Mama could make enough breakfast. And I always knew that Daddy brought somebody home and we were going to be eating breakfast. We were going to be eating breakfast for supper.

And that always ticked me off as a kid. You know, I didn’t understand at the time, but now I realize I had pretty cool parents.

JOE ROGAN: So that’s awesome.

The American Badasses

TIM BURCHETT: Can I show you a cool picture of my mama? Sure. She flew an airplane during the Second World War. She was— I was hanging out with Kid Rock one time, and I’m going to use a little language here, Bobby and him. And I said, I know your thing is you’re the American badass. I said, but I was raised by the American badasses. And I got pictures of Dad on Peleliu and Okinawa with his Thompson submachine gun.

So here’s my mama. Somebody colorized this. She’s just a little country girl. Wow. And flying an airplane during the Second— her brother Roy, who was 33 years old, got killed in the hedgerows. Wow. She’s a beautiful woman. They colorized that. And I’m an unrepentant mama’s boy. That’s a crazy picture. Yeah, that’s crazy. She got her foot up.

And I’ve got a picture of my daughter. We were at the air show. And the guy had a biplane over there and he wasn’t going to— there it is. That’s the one. Oh, thank you, Jamie. You’re the man. But that’s in Nashville. And somebody— it was National Women’s Aviators Day and everybody’s showing all these pictures of these women. And I said, well, I’m going to have to one-up y’all. And I put that up there and somebody sent it to me. I didn’t know, just a supporter, not even in my district. And they colorized it for me. Wow.

And so I was, you know, and that company that I can’t read the name off of, off the parachute, but I think they’re still in business. And but anyway, that was in Nashville. You can see they’re on dirt. And, and the crazy thing was when she qualified, I don’t know how long, how many, how long you got to fly with an instructor before you solo. Well, they messed up and they did the math wrong on it, which was crazy because Mama was a math teacher, but she was a country girl and she, she was— she’s in it for the fight.

And she’s a lot like my wife. My wife is a fighter too. She— whoo! You don’t get between her, anybody in our family. But, but Mama, they— she soloed in half the time that she was supposed to. And, you know, the war’s going on and, and they— I’ve still got her little logbook and, and they tried to redo the math on it and it was wrong. But, you know, Mama just— Daddy said, yeah, I bet she cleared out a fence row when she landed. No, she was pretty cool.

The Cost of War

JOE ROGAN: It’s got to be a terrible slap in the face of these people that served in Afghanistan to find out that the Taliban’s getting—

TIM BURCHETT: My buddy Eli Crane, I just look over at him and he’s one beautiful human being. I love Eli Crane. He is my buddy. And lone survivor Marcus Luttrell. Yeah, his brother is Morgan. Morgan. Yeah, he’s the catcher on our on our baseball team. And I was out there one day, and we don’t actually practice in the best part of town, but we’ve got security everywhere because when they shot Scalise and all those guys years back, we’ve got— I feel very secure.

And I heard this pop, pop, pop, pop. And this young officer, DC officer, Capitol policeman said, it’s okay, guys. I think it’s fireworks. And Morgan took his hat off and goes, Burchett, that was gunfire. And I thought, I’m going with what Morgan says. Yeah, this guy up here said they never fired a shot in anger. And, and I love those guys. They’re wonderful people. And I do too. I, I hurt for him.

I used to hurt for my daddy because he would, he’d talk about China. They went to China after the war and he fought the communists over there for a short while, and then before he left the Marine Corps. But how we just turned them over and that he would talk about that and he would be visibly upset and walk away because of that. You know, these— we just, we want to get these wars over and we don’t, we don’t deal with the repercussions.

We don’t deal with repercussions of— we got warriors we need to heal and we got to, you know, and, and it’s just very frustrating to me.

Psychedelics for Veterans

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, you know, kudos to Trump for passing this psychedelics bill.

TIM BURCHETT: Oh, good gosh, I saw you on that. I love that. I talked because I didn’t know anything about it. And I asked some of those guys about it before, and they said, “Oh yeah, Burchett, it’s—” One member confided in me that he, you know, because he’d been in some of the mess, and I told him, I said, “You know, my daddy had anger issues and stuff. He never beat Mama or me or anybody, but—” How could you not? Ah, sh— I know. How could you expect?

JOE ROGAN: That’s the crazy thing. You expect this of people to do horrible things and to see horrible things and to come back and just go to the grocery store. Just be normal. Just sit in traffic, be normal.

TIM BURCHETT: I remember one time we were at a UT football game and I was a little boy. I must have been 4 or 5. And we were on the 50-yard line. It was in the ’60s and they let you bring these cowbells. And it was the last game they let you bring cowbells to. I don’t even probably do it now, but back then they— and so this guy was sitting behind us and he was drunk and he took the Lord’s name in vain.

And my daddy said, hey, He said, “We got ladies down here.” You know, my sister, who was probably 7 or 8, and my mama was there. And the guy said, “Okay.” And then the guy spilled his drink on my dad. And my mama grabbed us all as kids and just rushed us out. And I remembered, I was like, “No, what’s Daddy doing?” You know?

And the UT cops, they loved my daddy ’cause he was Dean of Student Conduct. He always backed them up. And they come running down the aisle, and literally my dad beat these guys’ a, all 3 of them right there on the 50-yard line at Neyland Stadium. And I was just a little boy, and I was like— you didn’t give high-fives back then, but if I had, I would have given him, because he was, he was a pretty incredible guy.

Well, a guy who’s been to war like that man had, and you come back, and it wasn’t any different than thousands of other of his buddies, you know. They would get together and talk about stuff, and, and I, you know, we didn’t drink in the house. My mom and daddy didn’t let me have a beer can collection. And Daddy’s buddy Red Welch came over, and Red drank beer at the dinner table. And it was in the ’80s. I was in— I was, gosh, I was getting ready to go to college, and that was still no beer in the house. And Red was drinking beer.

And I said, Daddy, I said, what’s the deal with Red drinking beer? And he said, buddy, he said, you get pinned down on them islands and you got— you know you’re going to get— you’re going to leave this earth pretty soon. There’s one guy that comes running for you, he can do pretty much whatever he wants to in your house. And that was Red. I found an old picture of him and Daddy in China the other day.

But yeah, Daddy had a great life though. He had a great life. Him and Mama are both buried at Veterans Cemetery there in Knoxville. And, you know, to this day, I’m 61 years old, and if I go up there, I think about them and their sacrifice and I cry like a baby because I go to that Capitol, Joe, and I see people just that are just going to throw it all away, throw it all away. And to me, that’s just— that is unforgivable. Unforgivable.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I’m very happy that some of these people that have experienced these horrible things have at least a pathway to relief now.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah. And that is— and thank you for getting involved, brother. That was huge. Well, thank Rick Perry. Do what? Thank Rick Perry.

JOE ROGAN: Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard. Because if it wasn’t for them explaining to me what they’ve been through and and how it’s helped people and all the other people that I know, like Marcus Luttrell is a friend who’s—

TIM BURCHETT: Dude, it wouldn’t have happened. I talked to everybody and they said it wouldn’t have happened if it wouldn’t have been for you. You used that microphone for good and I appreciate it ’cause a lot of people aren’t.

The Antidepressant Epidemic

JOE ROGAN: Well, I never asked him for anything up until that moment. And I was like, if there’s a thing that I could do that might make the world a little bit of a better place. And the fact that those things were made illegal in the first place is just ridiculous. Yeah. It should have never happened. They should have been studied and we could understand how they could help people, especially when you consider how many people are on antidepressants in this country. Wow, it’s epidemic.

Tim Walz’s daughter, the guy who was running for vice president, his daughter just made a post on social media where she was talking about how she’s been on them for 15 years and she’s realizing that they’re a real problem. And she, every time she’s tried to get off, it’s been devastating. And I know people that have also been on them that they try to get off them, like my friend Theo Vaughn. The roof falls off.

And like, every time he starts talking about something that drives him crazy, I just got to kind of rein him in and just like, calm down. Like, you know, if you’ve had friends take their lives— and I’ve had a few, I’ve had quite a few— it’s a horrible feeling when you think about it and you go, what could I have done? What could I have said? How could I have—

Mental Health, Psychedelics, and the Case for Ibogaine

TIM BURCHETT: And so much so, we don’t know. My oldest friend in the world, a guy named Scott Davis, he and I were at Little Red Schoolhouse together. His brother took his life, and he suffered from depression. And this was in the ’80s, and we didn’t understand it.

You know, I was with a guy yesterday, one of his best friends, Ben Testerman. He was telling me, you know, I talked to him, we came home. He was a professional tennis player, and he came home and was talking to Jeff, and he said, you know, he said, “I just feel like I’m in a hole.” And nobody gets that. And people will say to him— I hear people all the time say, “Hey, just get over it, man. Go for a jog.” And there’s some freaking chemical imbalance that we don’t know. Something has happened that’s jarred them that we don’t understand.

And that is, if there’s one avenue that gets it, and but Big Pharma again, big ag, big pharma, it’s like hemp. Why the hell are we not growing hemp? It just drives me crazy.

JOE ROGAN: It drives me crazy as well. It doesn’t make any sense, especially when you find out all the stuff that is legal. It’s like, yeah, have some consistency. It doesn’t make any sense.

TIM BURCHETT: How many people do we lose every year? And a lot of my friends are in the alcohol business, but it’s a personal responsibility issue with me. You know, if you do it, it’s your business, but if you break the law, yes, you know, you’re going to the hooch cow.

JOE ROGAN: And listen, I’m not a big drinker, but I think you should be allowed to drink. I think— I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being allowed to smoke cigarettes. If that’s what you want to do, you should be able to do it. I believe in freedom, but I think we should be consistent.

And the fact that there’s these things that could help people that are suffering from depression, that are suffering from opioid addiction, that are suffering from all sorts of PTSD and CTE, and that we have this thing that we’ve known about for decades, and the only person that had the courage to try to push an executive order is Trump.

TIM BURCHETT: And if I— Again, help that. Again, he is enemy number one with a lot of those people.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I mean, thank God he’s got the kind of courage that he has to push stuff like that through. Because the guts— it’s going to change a lot of humans’ lives, a lot of veterans’ lives, a lot of first responders, a lot of police officers, a lot of people that have experienced violent crime. And it’s just— it’s going to change a lot of people.

TIM BURCHETT: Women that have been abused. Yes. And all the above. Everything. And they’re not like going to be walking around like some kind of crazy zombies thing. It’s a very controlled thing. And especially ibogaine.

JOE ROGAN: Ibogaine is not recreational in any shape or form. No one’s taking it recreationally. I’ve never done it, but it’s a terrible experience, but you come out on the other end of it.

And Rick Perry was also talking about how he’s experienced natural brain atrophy being a man in his 70s. He went and got an examination after he did it, and his brain atrophy had dropped by 25%. He went back in 6 months later, was all gone. Just that alone. Wow.

Think about all the elderly people out there that are suffering from memory loss and all these different issues that people have, that that could fix them. And that it’s literally just one experience that you have that takes 12 hours, and when it’s over, you’re better? That’s crazy. And then we’ve kept this from people? There’s no chance of people being addicted?

TIM BURCHETT: The money.

JOE ROGAN: Somebody wants to pay for it. I understand, but at some point in time, we’ve got to be human. All these money people have to realize you only have a certain amount of time on this planet. Maybe shut them out. You have an opportunity to make the world a better place, and we’ve got to say no to people that just want personal money. They just want personal funds that are going to go to their bank accounts, going to go to their company, their corporation, personal benefit at the expense of who knows how many people, including literal heroes.

TIM BURCHETT: When’s enough enough for those guys?

UAP Disclosure, the Ocean, and Monitoring Humanity

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, when is enough enough? I mean, this is the same feeling that I have about this disclosure stuff. Like, I don’t care what it’s going to affect. If there’s real things out there that we don’t know about, you as a human being have no right to keep that from the rest of humanity. I don’t care what your title is. I don’t care what 3-letter organization you work for. You’re a human being, and you have an obligation to the other human beings to alert us.

The fact that there’s people that have— if this is real, there’s people that have gone to their grave with this information that would literally change the course of human history. That’s a crime.

TIM BURCHETT: It’s a real crime. Could you imagine the poor countries, the people that suffer, you know, the deserts and things like that, if you could cool their huts or whatever, and we get out of these worthless wars, which are over oil all the time, and it just— it would end it all in just a stroke of a pen, almost.

JOE ROGAN: What do you think it is?

TIM BURCHETT: When I— I go back and forth. I know it’s a little crazy and this will probably cost me an election because they’ve tried to use it against me in the past.

JOE ROGAN: It will only help you at this point.

TIM BURCHETT: Well, I think— I think we need to look at these deep water areas. I have a hard time believing that something can travel light years in some suspended state. They have to be in some kind of suspended state. So I have trouble with that.

Those 5 gentlemen that came to my house— 4 or 5— they came to my house that time. They were talking about a moon around Saturn or Jupiter that they’d done some testing with that they think would be capable of something. And the moon was larger than our Earth, of course. But there’s a moon that’s larger than our Earth? Yeah, around Jupiter or Saturn.

JOE ROGAN: That doesn’t make any sense.

TIM BURCHETT: I don’t think that’s correct. Well, maybe I’m wrong. Check it out.

JOE ROGAN: No, no, no. There’s no moons that are larger than a planet.

TIM BURCHETT: No, it’s not.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think so. Our planet. Well, I don’t believe that’s what circles around it.

TIM BURCHETT: I don’t know. Anyway, I’m— is that accurate?

JOE ROGAN: I don’t know about this. Yeah, but there’s not— I don’t believe there’s a moon out there that’s larger than our planet.

TIM BURCHETT: These guys seem to think that something could travel from there, and it was the quantum physics. I mean, after talking to that admiral, you know, it makes me wonder if there is something in these deep ocean areas. That the old cliché, “We know more about the surface of the moon than we do the surface of the ocean floor.” In some areas, I think is true because we’re not down there.

JOE ROGAN: Logically, that’s the one place where we don’t go and it covers 75% of the Earth, at least, right?

TIM BURCHETT: And if you wanted to hide, that would be—

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I mean, if you were monitoring humans, let’s say that humans are on this path of technological evolution and then they recognize that humans have split the atom, we’ve developed atomic weapons and we’ve used them, and they want to make sure that we don’t blow up the entire planet before we achieve some sort of enlightenment, right? Before we bypass whatever territorial primate monkey brain stuff that we have that’s causing us to have all these wars and do all these things that we shouldn’t be doing.

TIM BURCHETT: Stupid stuff. And that we’re on our way to—

JOE ROGAN: We’re getting better. We’re clearly better than we were 1,000 years ago and better than we were 3,000 years ago. We’re on our way to being a more advanced civilization, but it’s possible that we could screw it all up at any point in time and blow ourselves to smithereens. I would imagine they would want to monitor us.

TIM BURCHETT: One maniac in Iran. Yeah. If they hadn’t stopped that, their nuclear— I’m convinced that they’re— I mean, they were out for Armageddon. They’d have launched something. They had the capabilities to go all the way to England. I think if they put one close to Israel, it’d be over.

And, you know, people like North Korea who have terrible technology on missiles. The biggest threat there was if they put one up in the air that the nuclear cloud could blow over China. And so there’s— that could have had some incredible bad repercussions.

JOE ROGAN: Well, the fact that there’s so many different countries that have nuclear weapons and we’re just relying on these people to keep their sh together is nuts.

TIM BURCHETT: It’s nuts. It’s completely nuts. And they’re maniacs.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it makes sense that if you were a super advanced life form from wherever, and if you wanted to have some sort of a base where you’d monitor us, it would be in the ocean. Right there. You could get out of it real quick and go to wherever you wanted to go.

TIM BURCHETT: Orbs was the thing I was thinking of earlier. Orbs, that’s the new word that you hear a lot of. It’s getting away from saucers.

JOE ROGAN: And well, there’s a lot of weird stuff with orbs where people say that they could summon them.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, I’m not on that.

Cults, Yoga, and the One World Theater

JOE ROGAN: There’s someone, a friend of mine, wants me to go and do it with her. My friend’s wife has experienced it and she’s like, “You’ve got to try it.” I’m like— now that, I’ll say who it is when she comes on the podcast next. I don’t know, I don’t have permission to talk about it. I don’t know if she wants me to talk about it, but I’m like, okay, what do we got to do?

TIM BURCHETT: Be careful about the sex cult angle.

JOE ROGAN: Well, she’s not— that’s not— I’m more worried about that.

TIM BURCHETT: I know you’re a good-looking guy, Joe. No, no, no, she might be digging you.

JOE ROGAN: No, no, no, no, no, no, this is not that. She’s been my friend for 20 years. It’s not that. She’s married to my friend. She’s not saying the angle that they use.

TIM BURCHETT: Well, this lady’s not that.

JOE ROGAN: She’s a comedian. There’s not that. But there are a lot of kooky people that do have sex cults. Every cult turns into a sex cult, right? Power. You know, I almost bought a building in Austin that was owned by a cult.

TIM BURCHETT: No, really?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. The original Comedy Mothership was— the original location was a place called the One World Theater. The One World Theater was owned by this cult, and I kind of knew about it because Ron White told me about it, because they had this theater that they built so that their leader could perform in front of them. And then the cult got disbanded. There’s a documentary about the cult called Holy Hell, and it’s crazy.

It’s a sex cult. It was a guy who— get this— he started out in California and he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist, which is a wonderful combination. And also a yoga teacher. So he starts out teaching these people yoga.

I’ve never taken yoga before— I’ve taken a bunch of yoga classes with a bunch of different instructors, and most of them have been amazing, but a few of them were very culty. And there’s this one guy that I took classes from way back in the day, like more than 20 years ago, and he was in California and he was sleeping with a bunch of the ladies that were there. And he was kind of like a cult guy. They were following him. He was dragging them into singing stupid songs, but it was very full of himself. It was gross. He was gross. And you know, everything wound up falling apart for that guy.

TIM BURCHETT: But then he ran for Congress and— ah!

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but there’s a lot of these people that for whatever reason, that’s where it all boils down to. They want to have sex with everybody’s wife and they want to run everything, and it’s very run of the mill type, you know, it’s very strange.

Disinformation, Deep Water Sightings, and the Cover-Up

TIM BURCHETT: But that’s where the demonic stuff comes in with Christians when you call these things down.

JOE ROGAN: Why do you think that that has to do with sex cults? Why would the aliens have to do with that? I don’t think it’s the aliens.

TIM BURCHETT: I just think some people are abusing the people’s— they think that they’re using their belief in UFOs to draw them in and to some sort of thing. And have you knowledge of this kind of stuff? Yeah, I get all of it. I hear about all of it.

JOE ROGAN: Can you name names? Can you talk about like—

TIM BURCHETT: Not on the air. Okay. I don’t want to get sued. Okay.

JOE ROGAN: So the underwater bases, or the underwater—

TIM BURCHETT: This is what an admiral told me.

JOE ROGAN: Okay, so did he say locations? That these things are coming from, or is there an actual physical base that they’ve observed?

TIM BURCHETT: He said that they don’t have the capabilities to get down that deep, actually. But they did say that the sightings were happening in about— in, I think, 4 of the 5 deepwater areas around our world.

And so— and he didn’t have any other— and then I was on talking about it and somebody said, “Tim Burchett says that there are underwater bases.” And then Gates was on the other day and he said he was briefed. I just told what I was briefed on. And he was briefed by a guy that said it was— in uniform— that said that they were breeding, they were capturing people and breeding them with these aliens.

And he just talked— what? So, yeah, he was on. You can pull it up. I mean, Matt Gaetz, he talked about it. He didn’t say he believed it, but we talk about— we get briefed on— that’s what I’m talking about, the psyop. They— here’s part of the problem too. They bring you information and you go forward with this, and this is— “Oh, this is the truth, these underwater bases, whatever.” And then they prove it doesn’t exist, and then they just discredit you and they discredit the whole movement. So that’s why I’m very cautious anytime anybody brings me any information or pictures or testimony or third cousin’s recollection.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that is— the disinformation thing is a problem. They’ll tell you some truth and mix it in with some really kooky stuff, and then you say the kooky stuff along with it, and the kooky stuff just discredits everything that’s true.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And Lazar talked about that too. He said they would tell people certain things that weren’t true, and they would tell different people different things that weren’t true. So if the story got leaked out, they would know who leaked it. It was like a hook. So that anchor would be like, “Oh, that was Mike. Mike told the story.”

TIM BURCHETT: That’s when I’ve always warned our other members when we go into the skiff and talk about stuff that— “This is the first time I’ve ever heard that one,” or “That’s sort of what we heard the last time.” And then I said, “Everybody just be real careful with it, because if it gets out, then they’ll come after you, or if they want it to get out so they can discredit you and make you look like a fool.”

JOE ROGAN: So they talk to you about deep water areas where sightings occur, and so it’s just a presumption that somewhere in that deep water they’re emanating from, that they’re—

TIM BURCHETT: Well, he also described— it is—

Matt Gaetz and the Alien-Human Hybrid Program

JOE ROGAN: “Gaetz claims whistleblower told him of alien-human hybrid program. The alleged program involved captured extraterrestrials mating with abducted humans from war zones and migrant caravans to create hybrids for intergalactic communication. He claimed the whistleblower identified between 6 and 12 such facilities in the US and sought coordinated congressional visits to prevent relocation of the activities, though Gaetz did not verify any of the information.” How could you? Yeah, you’re going to talk to the hybrids?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, I just want to go— I just want to go to the t-shirt shop.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, the pastor’s thing that I sent you, Jamie. Yeah. That’s bonkers. I don’t think about all this. I don’t buy that.

TIM BURCHETT: I don’t.

JOE ROGAN: So this is a guy, his name is Alan Dido— capital D, lowercase i, capital D, lowercase i, o. Dido. And, after sitting in a private meeting with pastors and those connected to these investigations, the message was clear: “UFO and UAP disclosure is coming. Pastors must prepare their people now. Silence is not an option.” Well, what does that mean? Like, what are they preparing the people for? Why would they bring in pastors I’ve never heard of?

TIM BURCHETT: I would think— yes, I do. I think it is. I think if he’d have brought anybody in, he brought Franklin Graham in. Is this gentleman a pastor himself?

JOE ROGAN: Click on his— yeah, he runs— well, I mean, he also has a show, which is— of course he does. Of course he does. Oh, so his show is about disclosure? The Revival Nation Church or something. No, no, I don’t know that. This is just what these clips are coming around. Can you click on his bio, please? Like, what it says? “Equipping end-time believers for the next great awakening.” Oh boy.

TIM BURCHETT: I would warn people that think we’re in the end times. The Bible is pretty clear about that. It says that the angels in heaven don’t even know when the end times are. The end’s coming. So yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I’m always very suspicious of people that say the end times are coming. I remember when I was living in LA, there was a billboard— do you remember those billboards, Jamie— where there was a guy saying a very specific date where the end was coming, the rapture was going to happen, and then it didn’t happen. He’s like, “Ah, I got some bad information. It’s coming soon.”

TIM BURCHETT: I did my math wrong. I remember I see those all the time. I just shake my head. It ain’t happening.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. That’s the guy, May 21st, 2011. “Cry mightily unto God. Judgment Day.” Oh boy. And look at the gold stamp. “The Bible guarantees it.” By the way, I read the Bible. I never read anything where there’s a guarantee of this day. Yeah, May 21st, 2011.

What the Government Has Told Tim Burchett

JOE ROGAN: So when they tell you things, is there anything that they tell you that you could tell us? Like, how much of what they told you is completely top secret that you’re not allowed to say until they disclose?

TIM BURCHETT: A lot of it. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Is there anything that really disturbs you?

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, we had one meeting and it got into some stuff that they were talking about— the treatment of people and the capabilities.

JOE ROGAN: And this was the treatment of people by these supposed extraterrestrials?

TIM BURCHETT: No, by our own government, but that were trying to come forward with this stuff. But also, yeah, they told me some pretty creepy stuff. So I would again— bring this out and then they’re busting my ass for it.

JOE ROGAN: But what do you think is going on?

TIM BURCHETT: I think it’s a cover-up. I think there’s something else out there. I do not think we’re the best that God can do. And I really just don’t know, Joe. There’s so many options. It could be one of these groups that met with me. They described several different types of beings, and they go through all of them. How many different types of beings? I don’t know, 3, 4, 5. I don’t know. It just changes. I don’t get caught up in that.

And I tell our guys, I say, “Look, here’s the argument. Just say, I just want to know what we’re spending tens of millions of dollars on. That’s all. I don’t care if it— it’s not about little green men. It’s not about flying saucers. It’s what are we spending this money on if they say they don’t exist?” That should be the question, and then the answer will come from that.

JOE ROGAN: So if they do exist, when you say you think it’s a cover-up, what do you think?

TIM BURCHETT: I think— well, I think they really do exist. And I don’t think that there’s such a finite group of people that actually know it. And you got a lot of charlatans out there that say they know it and they’re out there selling memberships. Of course. But I think there’s something to it.

JOE ROGAN: I’m always very suspicious of anybody who speaks definitively about something like that where you can’t possibly know. And then they don’t offer up any proof of this.

TIM BURCHETT: They say, “Well, I’ve seen the pictures.” Well, bring me the dadgum pictures. Yeah, but I have seen some pictures and I have seen video. And I have—

JOE ROGAN: What’s the most convincing thing that you’ve seen?

TIM BURCHETT: I know those guys came out the house. That was pretty convincing. Yeah, that was before the hearings that we had.

JOE ROGAN: How clear was the video?

TIM BURCHETT: Clear as a screen. I mean, it was pretty clear. And that was pre-AI. AI was such a new thing. And then it fit in with what the Tic Tac videos were. And the heat signatures— what I always thought was unusual, because it had to have a heat signature, but it didn’t. Zero point energy, whatever that is. And the quantum physics angle of it is mind-blowing to me.

The Upcoming Disclosure Briefing

JOE ROGAN: And you have no knowledge of what’s supposed to be released because— today’s Wednesday.

TIM BURCHETT: I’m going to know tomorrow at 3.

JOE ROGAN: Tomorrow at 3 PM. Is that when the world knows?

TIM BURCHETT: No, I think they’re going to ask me— just give me a little bit of it. But I got a feeling they’re not going to tell me much. I got a feeling they’re not going to tell America that much.

JOE ROGAN: When is it supposed to be disclosed? This week? Whatever they’re going to disclose?

TIM BURCHETT: I don’t know. I don’t know. But if they’re going to disclose it to us, then it’ll be out right as soon as they hang up the phone with some guys.

JOE ROGAN: Do you feel an obligation if they don’t release it to try to tell people what you know?

TIM BURCHETT: I do. I do. I do. I think it’s because I don’t like it if they’re lying to us. And again, I don’t think Trump knows. I mean, these people have kept this stuff secret.

Here’s another thing. I was in one meeting and a guy said— I said, “What about the president on this?” And he said, “The president’s on a need-to-know basis.” Now, that’s a federal employee saying that he or she has information that the president is not allowed to see. And I just was aghast, man. I said, that’s the kind of crap you see on some sci-fi network or something. But that’d be the title of my book. I mean, that ought to tell you right there that this thing is a cover-up.

And it’s kind of like MKUltra. I don’t think we’re going to get— they’re not going to tell us everything. I really don’t. I don’t think they’re going to give us half of what we should get.

JOE ROGAN: But you think we’re going to get something?

TIM BURCHETT: I think we’ll get something.

JOE ROGAN: Do you know how put off—

TIM BURCHETT: Do you know Hal Puthoff?

JOE ROGAN: No, I don’t. Do you know who he is?

TIM BURCHETT: I thought you were saying how put off you are right now. No, no. I was like, how put off are you?

Hal Puthoff and the Bush Administration’s Disclosure Debate

JOE ROGAN: Hal Puthoff was in the documentary as well. He was in Age of Disclosure, and he was a guest on the podcast. And one of the things that he told me is that during the Bush administration, they brought in him and a bunch of other scientists and thought leaders, and what was explained to him was that they are considering disclosure.

And that there have been visits of these super intelligent beings from somewhere else, that we have retrieved crashed vehicles and that we have biological remains. And we are talking about disclosing. “We would like you to make a list of all the ways that it’ll negatively affect society and all the ways that it’ll positively affect society and attach a numerical value to these things.”

And they all did it, and every one of them said the negatives far outweigh the positives in terms of the impact on government, the impact on the economy, religion, all these different factors and how it would disrupt society. And in the end, they decided not to disclose.

Jimmy Carter, Jackie Gleason, and Final Thoughts

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, I’ve heard that many times. I just don’t buy it.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t buy it?

TIM BURCHETT: I don’t buy it. I mean, I don’t doubt what he’s saying. I know all those guys now that you mentioned. I was in the movie, of course, and I met them all afterwards. But I just don’t buy that. I think we should know. Let us know. Let us decide.

JOE ROGAN: No, I believe that too, but I wonder what that meeting was like and whether or not they were being truthful to these people or whether it was a thought experiment.

TIM BURCHETT: Allegedly, when they told Jimmy Carter, he cried.

JOE ROGAN: That’s what I heard too.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah. I won’t go into all of it, but I was in a meeting—

JOE ROGAN: What would make him cry? Why?

TIM BURCHETT: I don’t know. I know he’s a very sensitive guy, but I understand.

JOE ROGAN: But I mean, he was also— I cried when I saw Old Yeller.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, I did too. Still cry. But he had seen a UFO, you know. He was on a Navy sub, nuclear sub, and I don’t know if he saw that when he was on the sub or not. I can’t remember. But, you know, here he is, that guy, he’s President of the United States, and he actually—

JOE ROGAN: —they told him something and supposedly he cried.

TIM BURCHETT: And I was in the meeting and that was brought up. And the guy that they were trying to trip up gave the date of that meeting, and he said, “You can go to the Carter Library and pull up that date, and you’ll know there’s one person—” they omitted their name, which, who knows who that was— “but they list the meeting and where he was when he got that briefing.”

Wow. So I don’t know. I don’t know either. I don’t know if that’s true or not. You know, they also say Nixon pulled up one night to Jackie Gleason’s.

Nixon, Jackie Gleason, and the UFO House

JOE ROGAN: And I know that story. Yeah, well, you know, Jackie Gleason built that crazy house in upstate New York. Do you know about that?

TIM BURCHETT: Do not.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, you don’t? It was for sale a while back. Jackie Gleason essentially built a UFO house. He built a house that looked like a flying saucer.

TIM BURCHETT: No kidding.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it was for sale fairly recently, within the last few years. That’s the house. Oh crap, that’s a house Jackie Gleason built after supposedly Richard Nixon took him. So supposedly the story was they were golfing, out drinking, and Richard Nixon’s like, “Hey, you want to see some shit?” And then he took him to see this UFO somewhere on some base. You know, the story is very vague. It’s hard to tell what actually happened, but apparently people that knew Jackie Gleason said it profoundly affected him. And Jackie Gleason became obsessed with UFOs afterwards. And then he had this house built the shape of a UFO, which is— I mean, not evidence, but weird.

TIM BURCHETT: That’s very weird. Yeah. And Nixon was a very serious guy. That would have been an interesting scenario indeed. But I just wish they’d show us everything.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, me too. Well, we’ll see. We’ll see what comes out this week. But thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it. It was great to talk to you.

Closing Remarks

TIM BURCHETT: I wish I could get you to move to East Tennessee. Why? Well, we saved Texas’s ass, man. You know, Davy Crockett. Yeah, Davy Crockett in the day. Yeah, he said he was in Congress and got beat. He was a state legislator and he got beaten in Congress. And he said— let’s see, his quote was, “As for you all, you can all go to hell. As for me, I’m going to Texas.” He goes to the Alamo and gets killed, but he parlayed that into a Disney special, so he kind of evened out. Yeah, sort of, sort of, sort of. I’m very partial to Texas. Well, all right, we’re a low-tax state. I know, Texas. I just love it here.

JOE ROGAN: I love a lot of things about Texas. I love the people. It’s a fun place to be.

TIM BURCHETT: Yeah, my buddy Chip Roy, he’s leaving. He’s from down here. A bunch of these guys in Congress are down here that are leaving. They’re coming down here. But no, they just— they’re all coming home. They’re tired of Washington. Yeah, Luttrell told me. I said, “Why are you leaving Congress, dude?” He says, “Want to spend time with my family. My kids are growing up.” And I was like, can’t argue with that, brother.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, and the pressure of Washington, D.C. is just so odd. I’ve only been there a couple times, but every time I’m there, when I leave, I’m like, yuck.

TIM BURCHETT: It’s like when I used to minister to a guy in prison, and when you leave Brushy Mountain State Prison, I call it that institutional smell. Whatever they use to clean that place, you just smell like it for— you could smell it in your nose for days later. And that’s Washington, D.C., it’s more of a filthy smell.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s a weird place. I guess it’s necessary, supposedly, but it’s odd to visit. But I appreciate people like you.

TIM BURCHETT: Thank you, brother. I appreciate you doing the right thing, especially for our veterans and on disclosure and all the other hot-button issues. And you got Hecklefish right there.

JOE ROGAN: I do.

TIM BURCHETT: Hecklefish, he said my name on his show one time.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I love that show.

TIM BURCHETT: He said my name one time. He said it wrong, but he’s a Yankee. Yankees, so I guess it’s okay. Yeah, it’s like Burchette or something.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Thank you very much. It was awesome.

All right, thank you. Bye, everybody.

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