Here is the full transcript of investigative journalist Nick Shirley’s interview: ‘Minnesota Daycare Fraud Scandal’ on PBD Podcast (Ep. # 710) with host Patrick Bet-David, December 31, 2025.
Brief Notes: In this explosive episode of the PBD Podcast, Patrick Bet-David sits down with 23-year-old independent journalist Nick Shirley, the man whose viral investigation into Minnesota daycare fraud has garnered over 150 million views and forced a federal funding freeze. Shirley details his harrowing experiences on the ground in Minneapolis, from discovering “daycarees” with blacked-out windows and zero children receiving millions in taxpayer funds to facing intense backlash and physical threats from the community and mainstream media alike.
The conversation explores the staggering statistics of the fraud—where 89% of those charged are from the Somali American community—and the systemic political failures that allowed billions to be siphoned away for over a decade. Beyond the numbers, Shirley shares his personal journey of resilience, his refusal to be silenced by “racist” or “Islamophobe” labels, and his mission to inspire a new generation of fearless citizen journalists.
Introduction
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So imagine it’s Christmas, we’re all minding our own business, and then everybody starts texting you. “Watch this video, watch this video, watch this video.” I’m like, “I’ll get to it later. I’ll get to it later.” And eventually I watch the video and I start texting everybody. “Watch this video, watch this video, watch this video.”
Next thing you know, it becomes a top 10 most viewed video. Some are saying top 5. Some are saying top 10. Nearly 150 million views after being uploaded a day after Christmas. And it created so much havoc that he made journalists start working. Come on, why would you do such a thing?
CNN had to work. They came after him yesterday. Everybody’s trying to find that. They call him MAGA YouTuber, they call him Islamophobe. They call him all this other stuff. Listen, why don’t you just fly down here, let’s sit down to a podcast and talk about what you just did. And we have the one and only Nick Shirley in the house.
NICK SHIRLEY: Thank you for having me.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: It’s great to have you on. 23 years old and you’re doing this.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, it’s been the craziest week of my life these past week or so.
The Week That Changed Everything
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I want to learn about you, but first tell us why has it been the craziest week of your life this week?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. I’ve been doing YouTube and doing what I’ve been doing for years now, for at least two years consistently at this point. But this week I’ve hit a new level as far as what I produced and put out on the Internet is the most viewed video by any other creator that’s not named Mr. Beast for a long form video.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Like, seriously.
NICK SHIRLEY: Seriously. I’ve never seen a video at 131 million views on X.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: How many followers when I watch it? When you first posted, you had a couple hundred thousand followers on X. Where are you at now?
NICK SHIRLEY: About to hit a million.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You’re about to hit a million just in the last four days. Why do you think the world and why do you think America is reacting the way that it has?
NICK SHIRLEY: I think what I covered in Minnesota was the fraud that took place. And the way I produced it is a way where really I didn’t make it a left or right issue. I just presented the information as it was and just went to the location to where the fraud was happening.
And I went and talked to the people. Well, I at least tried to for those that were running the daycares. And you’re seeing that the millions of dollars and the billions of dollars that have been defrauded from the people of Minnesota and from people of the United States, you could physically see where that money was going.
Right. We had all the numbers, we had all the evidence. And these people can even answer simple questions or give you a brochure to sign up my son, Little Joey, for a daycare.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. I love when he says, “my son, Little Joey cannot go to this daycare.” And everybody’s like, “I had no idea Nick had a son named Joey.” At 23, I’m like, “Guys, I don’t think he has a son named Joey.” He’s just trying to find out if he’s going to let the guy in.
By the way, here’s the power of where social media does today. 23 years old, you go and find out for yourself. You’re not waiting on ABC, CNN, CBS, any of these guys. You go ask questions.
Federal Response: $185 Million Funding Freeze
After asking questions yesterday, I believe it is, was it HHS, Rob, that came out yesterday? If I’m not mistaken, they came out yesterday and they stopped $185 million of funding to Minneapolis because of the video you posted. So watch this, folks. This is a byproduct of what Nick Shirley did on December 26th. Go ahead, Rob.
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Hello. I’m HHS Deputy Secretary Jim O’Neill. I’m here with Assistant Secretary Alex Adams.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Alex oversees the Administration for Children and Families. Intrepid journalists have made shocking and credible allegations of extensive fraud in Minnesota’s child care programs.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We believe the state of Minnesota has allowed scammers and fake daycares to siphon millions of taxpayer dollars over the past decade.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: My office, ACF, provides Minnesota $185 million in child care funds each year. That money should be helping 19,000 American children, including toddlers and infants. Any dollar stolen by fraudsters is stolen from those children.
Yesterday, I spoke directly with the director of the Minnesota Child Care Services office. She could not tell me with confidence whether those allegations of fraud are isolated or whether there’s fraud stretching statewide.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Today, we have taken three direct actions against the blatant fraud that seems to be rampant in Minnesota.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We require a justification receipt or photo evidence before we make a payment.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: You can’t stop it, right? The idea is $185 million. Stop. Because you independently went out there and created this content, exposed it to everybody, and then allegedly, was it today that CNN came after you? Was it yesterday?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, today they put a hit piece out on me.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And when did they interview? When did CNN come and interview?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yesterday.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yesterday they did.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yesterday I showed up at Quality Learning Center.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is this the one?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
Confrontation at Quality Learning Center
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So this is you. You show up. You’re in Minnesota yesterday.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: At the Quality Leering Center. We got to say it correctly, by the way, his sweater he’s got on. If you guys want to purchase the sweater, we’re going to put the link below as well to the Quality Leering Center. It’s becoming a hot commodity. Rob, let’s make sure you put the link below as well to support what he’s doing here.
But here’s CNN. It doesn’t look like they’re happy for you doing their work. When they first came up to you, were they friendly? Were they nice to you? What was the approach that they took?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, the lady came up to me, very friendly. And then she kept asking me these questions. I’m like, “Ma’am, you’re defending fraud. Like, what are you talking about?”
Like, the issue is, the issue wasn’t what time I showed up to the daycare. The issue is that this building right here is receiving $1.9 million and it’s not even operating. And they’re showing face right now while they’re literally shuffling in kids, while the Commissioner of Children is saying the daycare was closed last week.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s pretty wild. Okay, so play this clip. Rob, go ahead.
VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This is MAGA YouTuber Nick Turley back at a daycare in Minnesota he alleged was a fraudulent facility in a now viral video.
NICK SHIRLEY: We are going to say this is a left or right issue, but no, fraud is fraud. I’m not out here trying to put a twist on things.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Shirley’s viral video released over the weekend in which he says he’s uncovering tens of millions of dollars in fraud at Minneapolis daycares run by the Somali community, was retweeted by Elon Musk and Vice President J.D. Vance.
In the video, Shirley tries to open locked doors and talk to people at various daycares he claims are frauds. Did you come during our normal operating hours when you came to visit?
NICK SHIRLEY: I came at 11 a.m. I believe, and I also came the following day, later in the day. The point of it is not whether or not I came at the right time of their operation hours. The point is, blacked out doors, they can’t give you any information. You call that number. No one answers. I wasn’t trying to go inside and say there should be a way for somebody to actually be able to call that number and somebody to be able to answer. These aren’t real businesses.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: But surely you don’t think a daycare should just be unlocked. You shouldn’t be able to just walk into a daycare.
NICK SHIRLEY: It shouldn’t be a reception.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, every daycare is locked.
NICK SHIRLEY: Okay, you bring up to her point then, but why can’t they actually give me information how to enroll a child?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Federal law enforcement has been investigating fraud in Minnesota for several years. Both Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel said on social media they’ve indicted dozens of defendants. DHS has posted multiple videos of agents they say are conducting a massive fraud investigation.
Do you think that federal law enforcement hasn’t done enough? I mean, they would say, “Look, these fraud cases have been going on, but they’ve already done like 80 indictments.” The cases have been going on.
NICK SHIRLEY: They’re defending Trump one day in Minnesota and go to all these daycares, no children. They’re receiving millions of dollars. We uncovered nearly $100 million, $110 million in fraud in one day.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: How do you know that all the allegations that you’re making are true?
NICK SHIRLEY: How do I know that they’re true? Well, we showed you guys the, we showed you guys what was happening, and then you guys can go ahead and make your own nouns. We’re coming so we can make our own nouns.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Very fair. Are you 100% sure you’re true?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I am 100% sure I’m true.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: CNN is looking into Shirley’s claims. Hi, my name is Whitney Wild. I’m a correspondent for CNN. We reached out to several of the daycares featured in the now viral video. Only one daycare facility answered and said they all—
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: She’s validating your point.
NICK SHIRLEY: Have you seen the videos, you know, purporting that some of these daycares don’t have kids inside?
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Minnesota Republicans say despite the new focus from the Trump administration, they have been sounding the alarm on fraud for years. You know, we have talked about fraud. We have gotten stories. We have, we’ve tried to push this forward every way that we can.
VIDEO CLIP ENDS:
Uncovering More Fraud
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So this is yesterday in Minnesota.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, yesterday in Minnesota.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow. And you went back to Minnesota because you just told me that you’re working on a part two yourself.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, because there’s a lot more fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: How much more did you find?
NICK SHIRLEY: Oh, we found a lot more businesses that don’t exist. There’s millions of dollars we found daycares with more million dollar daycares. I mean, there’s literally hundreds of daycares receiving millions of dollars in Minnesota at this moment as we speak.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So from the first one, you guys were over $100 million of fraud that you found, right. With the second one, now the recent one that you were there yesterday, how much more did you guys find yesterday?
NICK SHIRLEY: I have to do all the numbers, which I’ll do when I do my, all my editing, but at least around, at least another $10 million.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Another $10 million bucks. Okay, so on the other side, while you’re doing this, what caused you. And we see this man named David, right. We keep seeing this man. Name who, I think yesterday he said, “if you want to output $100,000 for anybody that can prove any of this wrong,” because this is government document. How did you and David, if, Rob, is this the clip where he says that?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Do you want to play this clip of David? Anybody wants to give you $100,000 if you can.
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: $100,000. I could disprove my information. $100,000. $100,000. Going page by page, they go in. Come on, girl. Just keep your video on it. Okay. And just screenshot it while you’re going. Let me know when you got it.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: All those people out there defending the fraud, and he gives them the opportunity we need.
NICK SHIRLEY: They’re defending the fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: They’re defending the fraud?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: They’re not on your side?
NICK SHIRLEY: No.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: How many of those people are on your side right there?
NICK SHIRLEY: None of those people you’re hearing in the background.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Just you and David and the camera?
NICK SHIRLEY: Just me and Dave. Yeah. I was like, I was my cameraman.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So who’s recording you there? That’s somebody doing a live stream from them. That’s not even yours. That’s that Khadra Abshir that’s recording you?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Got it. So they’re recording you and he’s offering $100,000 to go prove if any of these things are wrong.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
How Nick Shirley and David Connected
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So how did you and David get linked up?
NICK SHIRLEY: David messaged me on Instagram. And out of the hundreds of DMs I get, I just opened David’s and he had all the proof. Because I’ve known about the fraud happening for so long in Minnesota, since back in June, I’ve known about the fraud, but it’s hard for me to go out and get all the information because they make it very hard to get the information. Luckily, David had somebody inside the Capitol who has been leaking him all the numbers, leaking him all the information.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Somebody from the Capitol in Minnesota?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. So all the numbers that David has are 100% correct. And also they’re from the state. Also they’re from the government. From the state. But David told me he knew the numbers, and I said, okay, I’m coming to Minnesota. Let’s do this video. Line out some of the daycares you’d like to go see.
Because I know about the fraud. I knew that the fraud was happening. I just need somebody like David to come that’s lived it to be able to really solidify my claims and my ideas about the fraud that’s happening. And you saw the video. Everything we said was true.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And this is David explaining the fraud. Right, Rob, this is in front of Minnesota.
NICK SHIRLEY: Go for it on here in the state of Minnesota, especially Minneapolis. Explain to me what’s going on with the daycares.
David Explains the Daycare Fraud
VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:
DAVID: So one of the things that I’ve noticed is there’s an exceptional number of child care centers that are set up mostly in Minneapolis, but also in St. Paul. And I said, wow, this. I mean, how many kids are there in the Twin Cities? Some of them are by my office. And I would watch, and I said, well, there aren’t any kids there. And I’d go to another one. There aren’t any kids there. And I’d see just some guys, some Somali guys outside smoking cigarettes.
So I stopped at one of them and I said, hey, I’m just wondering, I’ve got a grandson who’s looking for childcare, and I wonder if this might be a good facility. And they said, no, we’re all full.
NICK SHIRLEY: We’re all full.
DAVID: And they had the door open, and I looked, and there were no kids. There was a couch and a table with a couple chairs. And I said, well, are the kids out back playing, or what kind of place is this? And the guy said, you go. You go. And he almost pushed me out the door, and then he followed me down the street to my car.
And that’s when I said, wait a minute. There’s something going on here. And that’s got to be maybe five years ago. This fraud is so massive, when the dust settles on this, it’s going to be found to be the largest fraud in the history of the country and probably the world. It’s that big. The ones that I. Is that true? Genetics is. That’s genetics right there. Is that Mom?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: So now, good for you. You got great jeans. You know, she’s very comfortable doing this as well. Very cool. So the largest fraud in the world, in America, on what he’s talking about. I hope we get to the bottom of this. So you and David get linked up. And then you just said, why don’t we just go interview? That’s kind of how it started.
Investigating the Daycares
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I thought when we go, we’ll walk these daycares, we’ll talk to them. But the first daycare we go to, all the windows are blacked out. And I tried to open the door and nobody answered. I ring the doorbell, nobody answered. In that daycare, they had two daycares running out of that same building and they had both had two different contracts of more than a million dollars for these daycares. And I was very shocked to see that.
The response from the public after that was, oh, why is he going and knocking around these doors? Because millions of dollars are going there. We have a responsibility to know where our dollars are going. But it just went to show that the fraud is insane. And then the people are saying, well, that daycare is closed. Well, how come there’s a sign that says it’s open seven days a week from 7am to 10pm? Is that what it says? Yeah, there’s.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So the one that the CNN reporter claimed that you came after business hours, that you said you came at 11 to 5 o’clock, they have a sign that says they’re open Monday through Sunday.
NICK SHIRLEY: That one right there, the first part.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: In the video, open seven days a week. What is. Zoom in a little bit, Rob, can you.
NICK SHIRLEY: Because it’s a video, but it says open seven days a week, 7am to 10pm.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: It says that right on the.
NICK SHIRLEY: Sign right there, right on the phone number.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is the Mako. What is it called? MACO Child Care Center.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is that another misspelled Mako or is that really the name?
NICK SHIRLEY: I don’t know. But what’s funny about that is there’s actually two child care companies inside that same building, but they’re not showing the second one. And so they have two childcare businesses.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Operating that same within the same place.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And how much money are they getting?
NICK SHIRLEY: This one together over the past few years? They have it right there. But combined they received over $5 million. Stop it. Just that one building alone.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And so what is the business model? Somebody just stays there all day, no kids. And they just take the cash.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. That’s why all the windows are all boarded up. Or why they’re all blacked out.
The 2015 Surveillance Video
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Now, let me ask you, Nick. There was a video from 2019. Is it 2019? 2020. You know, the video where parents would come, drop off the kids, and then take the kids out a minute later, not even drop them off, come in, register, then they leave. You know which video I’m talking about, Rob? And allegedly, they were getting paid. That’s the one right there. What year is that video from?
NICK SHIRLEY: It says 2015. March 31st of 2015.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is from 15 that they’ve been doing this. So this is a surveillance. Maybe you can narrate to the audience what’s going on here.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. So basically what they’re doing inside these daycares, I don’t doubt that there’s one or two or a few children inside these daycares. It’d be very stupid to be receiving millions of dollars and not bring at least a few kids to daycare every day. Right. But what they’re doing here is they’re bringing in children and then they’re then just leaving after a few minutes of being inside the daycare. And I don’t know if this is the same video where it shows the guy giving the cash to the ladies working.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Do you have the audio on there? So there is one that says that’s shown.
NICK SHIRLEY: Oh, there it is.
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Handing out envelopes of what are believed to be kickback payments to parents who are in on the fraud. Where was the money going? I don’t know exactly where it went, but it order for the scheme to work the daycare center.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: You got to be kidding me. So I’ll come in, I register my kids. You’re able to write them off to make money off, and you send that to the Minnesota government. Hey, I have this many kids. Then they get paid, then they come and give a kickback to the parents.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So the problem with this is these parents are no longer going to get payments and someone’s going to call somebody out. And this has been happening for over a decade. It’s not like this is a new thing that’s happening. How many whistleblowers have been emailing you, DMing you, texting you, getting ahold of you? How many more whistleblowers have gotten ahold of you? And David?
The Overwhelming Response from Whistleblowers
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. So many people have been reaching out. It’s been almost overwhelming to go through all the messages. But there’s. The people in Minnesota are so fed up with this fraud because now finally somebody’s actually getting it out to the national level, because local journalists have been talking about it, but they’ve never been able to get it out to a national level like I was able to do.
And so the. Just the millions of dollars, and if you talk about the why they’re just giving them cash, it’s because the money they receive is tax exempt, CCAP funding. And then these women that are working inside these daycares, they’re not. My assumption is that they’re not actually on payroll. And that’s why 81% of the Somali population on welfare inside the state of Minnesota is because they don’t actually receive a W2 or 1099, whatever it would be, to claim that they’re actually receiving an income.
Because if you’re running a daycare of a million dollars, you should be able to pay your person a salary of at least $50,000. You know what I mean?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: But none of that is documented.
NICK SHIRLEY: No, not that I know of. Because it doesn’t make sense why there’s so many people on welfare if they’re making millions of dollars.
Government Response and Cash Patel’s Tweet
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. So the first day this came out, you know, people on Twitter were talking about it. The second day, silence. The third day, Cash Patel responds to it. And I’m sure you saw the tweet on here. Hey. The FBI’s awarded recent social media reports in Minnesota. However, even before the public conversation escalated online, the FBI had searched.
So he sends this tweet, right? That’s disbanded $250 million in fraud, et cetera, et cetera. And then finally it got to a point that it was so viral that everybody had to cover it. And they barely started covering it yesterday. I don’t even think they did on the 29th. I think they started on the 30th. CNN, ABC, CBS, a lot of this other stuff. Has Cash Patel or anybody from the White House reached out to you yet?
NICK SHIRLEY: No, Cash Patel hasn’t. Other people have reached out as far as, hey, do you want to come with us to see what’s happening, or do you want to see what’s happening? A lot of people have sent me messages on X. I mean, Mike Johnson was talking about it, and J.D.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Vance talked about it.
NICK SHIRLEY: J.D. Vance talked about it. Attorney General Pam Bondi talked about it. Everyone’s talking about it. I mean, literally, the GOP was using a video referencing my video on their Instagram yesterday. The GOP was the GOP official Instagram account.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I mean, look, the Vice President responded. “This dude has done more useful journalism than any of the winners of the 2024 Pulitzer Center Prize” the VP is giving you. But the FBI hasn’t reached out to you at all?
NICK SHIRLEY: No, I mean, I think I can’t. There’s been so many people that messaged me, but there’s people who are wondering how I got my information from the government. And I’ve been willing to say, yeah, I got from David. If you want to talk to David, here’s David’s contact info. But I don’t know how the government doesn’t have all this information. It’s kind of surprising to me.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So you’re surprised that the government doesn’t have this information?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, they’re reaching out to me to figure out what’s going on.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: A few of them are really.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Pretty high up of high officials.
NICK SHIRLEY: Not the high of officials, but the.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Department departments are reaching out to you to see how you got it.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So are they reaching out to you, asking how you got it because they want to catch the person that’s blowing the whistle, or are they reaching out to you because they want to actually find out the work that you’re doing, like some access to the information that they don’t have themselves?
The Scope of the Fraud Network
NICK SHIRLEY: Well, I think they’re trying to figure out how to go about this fraud because it’s so big and so massive, because it’s not just the daycares, it’s the home healthcares, it’s the transportation companies, it’s the people, it’s the translators at the hospitals. It’s so vast and big that the network is massive.
So I think they’re trying to get an understanding of how big it is. And that’s why you hear them talking about, we’ve had fraud for years. Tim Waltz literally admits to the fraud. He’s been talking about fraud for. He admit to fraud yesterday, and he said it’s been happening for years. Okay, if it’s been happening for years, why don’t you stop it?
The Minnesota Flag Controversy
PATRICK BET-DAVID: He said this yesterday. There was the one clip that he moved a flag. And there’s a whole thing about how Minnesota changed its flag to look pretty much identical to Somali’s flag, Somalia’s flag. If you’ve not seen this, take a look at this first. This is the clip of that. You can play this clip and then we can go matching the flag, old flag, to the new flag.
So this is the old Minnesota flag, right, Rob? That’s the Minnesota flag. The old one. And he replaces it with the new flag. I believe that’s the new Minnesota flag. I don’t think that’s Somalia’s flag. I think that’s their new flag. But if you go to the picture next to you on X, you see how it says go next. No, right there. Right, Right there. Yeah. Look at that. They changed their picture.
That’s the old Minnesota Flag on the top left, the bottom left is the new Minnesota flag. And then go look at Somalia’s flag on the right. You tell me if you see any similarities. So they changed their flag. Minnesota, nicest people in the world is what they’re supposed to be to the Somalia flag.
Tim Walz’s Debate Claims About Childcare
And then Tim Walz is sitting out there talking about that. They’ve been dealing with this for many years. Yet he was bragging, if you have that one clip when he was debating with J.D. Vance, that they’re opening up the most daycare centers and record breaking daycare centers and they’re doing such a good job. This was in the debate, folks, watch this.
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TIM WALZ: We in Minnesota pass a paid family and medical leave. You have a child. You and I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born. This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time. What we know is that gets the child off to a better start. The family works better, we stay in their employers. We get more consistency in that.
So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth. That’s how you become a pro business state. And so a paid family medical leave program. And I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them, as far as childcare on this, you have to take both the supply and the demand side.
You can’t expect the most important people in our lives to take either our children or our parents to get paid the least amount of money. And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that. We were able to do it in Minnesota and I’m still telling you this, we were listed as the best state. We’re still in crisis on this.
A federal program of paid family and medical leave and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want.
VIDEO CLIP ENDS:
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So in this debate, he challenged you, if you want to find out, go there. You took up the challenge.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You went there, took up the challenge. And maybe he shouldn’t have said that.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, he shouldn’t have said a lot of things.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: He shouldn’t have said a lot of things.
NICK SHIRLEY: He’s not the brightest guy.
Supporting Independent Journalism
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So what? What? So the FBI hasn’t reached out to you? You guys are continuing to go out there and do your thing. And by the way, if some of the people that are watching this, if you have any questions and you want to support the work because you have to realize Nick, you’re not part of CBS. You’re not ABC. You’re not CNN, you’re not Fox. You’re not part of anybody. You’re an independent journalist.
A guy asks you a question, who do you work for? Myself. Who pays you? Myself. You make money off YouTube, don’t you? Yeah, that’s how I make my money. I make my money off my YouTube channel. This is what I’ve been doing for many years.
But if some of you guys are watching this and you want to support him, either go buy this sweater that he has here or number two, connect him. If you have any other questions or things that you’re working on, if you want to be in contact with him, you have other information that’s coming in. Imagine he’s getting tens of thousands of emails and DMs right now. He can’t get through everybody.
But if you have something that you want to do with him, have a conversation with him. He’s officially on Manect as well. Rob, if you want to put up the QR code, it’s the link below. Are they seeing it right now?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, the link is in the description.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So let’s go back. Rob, can you go to Nick’s YouTube channel? Can you go to Nick’s YouTube channel?
NICK SHIRLEY: Kind of have an interesting story on the YouTube channel?
Nick Shirley’s YouTube Journey
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, I want to hear about it. Because the average person, maybe who doesn’t follow you, we know who you are, we know the great work you do. But the average person who doesn’t know you, can you kind of share with them your story of how you got started to eventually doing a video like this. This is not the biggest, first big video you’ve done on YouTube. You’ve done many of these. But how did you get started?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I’ve been doing YouTube ever since I was a sophomore in high school. I remember 2017. Start watching people like Logan Paul, or you start watching other vloggers. And I thought, well, I can do this. I want to have this lifestyle. I want to have a fun time and be able to record these memories. So I started making YouTube videos in high school. And it was just high school. Pranks, stunts, you name it. Sneaking into Jake Paul’s wedding, doing just…
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Like, sneaking into Jake Paul’s wedding.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, just like doing the typical YouTuber stuff at that time. And I had, like, little success. But I could never reach the next level. I moved to LA, pursued YouTube. I do collabs with people who had 10 million views. They’d look at my analytics and they’d be like what? They’d be like, wait, how’s this? How are you not blowing up? Like all your, every, all your analytics, like should, your channel should be blowing up.
But for some reason YouTube would not push my content. No matter how good my click through rates were, how good my attention graphs were, everything like that. They wouldn’t give me an opportunity. But in hindsight I think it was God just holding me back to learn, to help me learn, and then propelling me to where I’m at now.
But based off of what I was doing on YouTube and I kind of got, I got really interested in the politics when I graduated high school and I started seeing how the world was working and how crazy and how especially during COVID how people could use information against you, how they were censoring you. I started making more political videos on my YouTube channel.
And anytime you put the word Trump in your YouTube channel or on your video, they would demonetize you, which means you can’t make money. And if you can’t make money, you can’t do what you can’t do it. And so you literally could not use Trump’s name in a thumbnail or in a title and receive compensation for your work on YouTube.
And then after that I ended up going on to two year mission for my church. And I made a plan on my mission exactly how I wanted to come back, what kind of videos I wanted to do. What was the mission in Chile? Santiago.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And you said mission with the church?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Which church?
NICK SHIRLEY: I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints.
The LDS Mission Advantage
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Let me tell you, man, that is such a massive edge. Massive edge. So you know, they would send. I work with a lot of folks from the LDS stake presidents, a lot of guys. So I read all the Gordon B. Hinckley, John Huntsman, all these major names. The Cleon Skousen, I think is also a LDS author. He wrote a book called “Naked Communist.” He was a former 15 year CIA and the FBI and the CIA would come and try to learn from, from Mormons on how they would teach a language for somebody that would go on a mission for three weeks or you know, within three weeks, four weeks, you’re learning the language.
How much did you going on that mission make you fearless to be able to do the journalist, the citizen journalism you’re doing right now?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I’ve always been fearless in a way. Like I was the younger brother. My brother…
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s your older brother?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, so I was the younger brother. Always trying to impress my older brother. So it’s like if you want to do a bike jump. If we’re bike jumping, we’re going snowboarding. Nick, you’re also jumping. I love it. I love it.
And on my mission, you also, you also just talk to thousands of people and you have such little success for how much work you put in. As far as like you’re talking to a thousand people, you might get a hundred to say, yeah, let me sit down, have a discussion with you.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Did you speak, how long did it take you to speak the language?
NICK SHIRLEY: I learned Spanish in about six weeks. I could start having conversations in six weeks.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You learned Spanish?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I knew it when I was younger and then I forgot it and then I learned it back up in six weeks.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Can you speak now or no?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I speak fluent Spanish.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Seriously?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. I can have a full on conversation with the President.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So maybe in Spanish. Give a message to Tim Walz.
NICK SHIRLEY: What would you say? Tim Walz, él es muy mal, muy, él no sabe nada, le tremente, él muy tonto, no sabe nada.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: There you go, Tim Walz. If you’re paying attention, that’s a message here from a young 23 year old man. So you come back from Chile, you’re making a decision what you want to do when you return with your YouTube channel. Then what happens next?
Investigating the Border Crisis
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, so on the mission I came out with a plan, like the, the videos I wanted to make because I wanted to get more into kind of showing things for what they are. On your mission, you’re all you do is talk to people, right? And I saw a lot of effects of mass migration, especially on my mission, from people fleeing Venezuela.
And so I was super curious, like, what’s happening in Venezuela? How come people are like moving around? You always hear about migration of animals, but you never hear about, about humans. And so then when I come back to the US I had no money after my mission. I had like $6,000.
And so I knew I needed to make $10,000 to be able to fund my YouTube channel for a few months because I didn’t think I was going to be able to make enough money for the first few months. So I knew I needed to get to $10,000. And so I went and power washed houses for a month, made $10,000 in cash.
And then I went to Amfest in Phoenix to go interview people. I went all myself. I just set up a tripod, interviewed people, and from there I went to that went to the border. And at the border I was the first person to ever really go to the border and interview people as they were crossing the border in Spanish.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Which. Which one is this, by the way? There’s a clip here. If you type in Nick Shirley, Border.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. If you just go to, like, that’s a, that’s a few of them. But that wasn’t the first one. Yeah, the, I interviewed illegal migrants at the US Border.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is you?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: How old are you here?
NICK SHIRLEY: 21.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So this is two years ago?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You’re the first person that goes there?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I’m the first person to show people that people are literally just walking over, being trafficked over, and I’m interviewing them. And these people are as proud and happy to be to be coming to the United States. I was, like, fearful when I went down there. I was like, okay, how? Like, aren’t these people supposed to be running? Like, they just crossed over the border?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: But wait, they’re not worried. They’re just…
NICK SHIRLEY: They were so thrilled. And then I went and watched them go sit down and get picked up and shuffled across the country. And I track even one of these ladies down from the border to New York City. And I tracked her down because she gave me her WhatsApp. And I was like, how did in one day, you go from the border to America’s biggest city and then from there, kind of…
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You’re by yourself here, Nick. Nobody else is here with me.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I’m all by myself.
The Power of Independent Journalism
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Let me tell you how many millions, tens of thousands of young boys, young men are watching this saying, if this guy’s got this kind of courage, I cannot tell you how many people you’re probably inspiring right now with the world, because it takes fear to do this.
There’s a guy, Rob, if you go to my Twitter account, there’s a guy named—I don’t know if you saw this tweet from him yesterday. I think you did. No, you did see it because you commented on it as well. This guy named Josh Gerstein, okay? Josh Gerstein is somebody that’s been around a little bit. Right there, right there. If you just type on his tweet, look what he says.
NICK SHIRLEY: Who is this guy?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, so you should know, this guy’s been around.
NICK SHIRLEY: He is a—
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, not “you should know.” He’s an establishment, mainstream media guy. At some point, the amateur effort to knock on doors of home daycares intersects with robust stand your ground laws. So you know what he’s saying. So somebody can attack you.
Now look what Twitter on the bottom readers added to it: “Stand your ground laws remove the duty to retreat from a threat when a person is in a place you have a legal right to be. Knocking on doors of a supposedly public business does not constitute a threat. So stand your ground could not be invoked as a defense.” That’s Twitter responding to it.
If you go to my response to it above, Rob, if you go to—just go back one. Yeah, there you go. And I said, “At some point, amateurs have to do the job that professional journalists refuse to do. That’s what’s called courage.”
Can you go Google him? Can you go Google him to see who he is? Josh Gerstein. Because he’s not a regular guy. This is a guy that’s been around the block for a while. Go to his Wikipedia, go to, maybe type it, maybe put his name on YouTube. Okay. This is a political guy. If you type his name on YouTube, you go a little bit lower, you see right there says, Josh Gerstein, political. He’s been on media all over, you know, for many, many years.
This guy’s calling out a 23-year-old. Which—the reason why I did this is because the video you’re showing me right now back on the border. Go to the border video he just had up a minute ago. It takes courage to do this. Your brother’s not with you, your family’s not with you, not a friend is with you?
NICK SHIRLEY: No, I’m all by myself.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: What did your family think when you said, I’m going out here to the border?
NICK SHIRLEY: A lot of times I don’t tell them, especially when I’m going to go do a video. I don’t tell them I’m going to go do something until it’s done. I kind of learned that’s the best way to go about things at that point. But, yeah, I think everyone was shocked. I mean, I was down there and some guy who works for border patrol, he’s like, “What are you doing? Don’t you know there’s a cartel war on the other side?”
PATRICK BET-DAVID: The border patrol guy’s telling you.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, a guy who used to work in border patrol, he’s like, “Don’t you know there’s a cartel war going on the other side?” I’m like, I don’t know. I’m giving these people food. I thought these people were starving. I thought they were coming over, fleeing. I was giving them food, talking to him. I give a kid a shirt off my back so he could have a new shirt when he came over.
I thought these people were fleeing and coming in, but they were just being trafficked by the cartel. And so, yeah, I just went up there and started doing journalism.
Nick’s Most Popular Investigations
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Then outside of this, Rob, if you go back to his channel, it’s important if you go to videos and then go to popular. Okay, video, popular. Zoom in a little bit, Rob. The most popular video on YouTube you did is not even the Minnesota one. That’s your sixth most popular video. The most popular one is you went inside, seek out the mega prison full of deadly gangsters. That’s in El Salvador.
NICK SHIRLEY: Right.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Then you infiltrated Rio, Brazil’s most dangerous gang. That’s you right there interviewing somebody.
NICK SHIRLEY: Okay.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Then you went inside America’s city of zombies, Kensington, Philadelphia. Then inside world’s most unconventional prison. This is again El Salvador. Then Los Angeles has fallen. Anti-ICE protesters take over. And then it’s the Minnesota video that you’ve done.
So for those that don’t know, you’ve been doing this for a minute and it’s grown in the last couple years to a million subs. How many subscribers did you have on YouTube early this year? In January.
NICK SHIRLEY: In January, I think I had 300,000.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 300,000.
NICK SHIRLEY: But since I’ve been home for my mission, which has been two years, I came home, I had 20,000 subscribers. Now I just had 1.2 million.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 1.2 million subscribers. Unbelievable. And while you’re doing this, are you seeing others that are doing—because I saw something with Ohio.
NICK SHIRLEY: Right.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wasn’t there something with Ohio? Another thing with Kent, Washington. Are these your friends or these are just others that are independently being inspired to do the same?
NICK SHIRLEY: I wouldn’t say some of them are my friends, but a lot of them are. So probably just inspired by what I’m doing. And they’re just—I say they’re fellow comrades, I guess, mutual respect for each one. I try not to give all my information to people because the reason why I’ve had my success is because how I go about and do stuff. So I’m not just telling people to go and copy me. I think there’s an art form. And if you want, there’s a way to be inspired, then there’s a way to just copycat people.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I will tell you either way, I think it’s phenomenal. Even if other guys are saying, “Man, I’m going to go do what Nick does,” go at it. Because you can’t be in 300 places at the same time.
NICK SHIRLEY: Right.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You have to be in—you know, you can—I’m looking at your eyes, you know, what your eyes are telling me right now you haven’t slept a lot.
NICK SHIRLEY: No, I haven’t slept the past three nights. I probably slept 10 hours.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, that’s what it looks like, but that’s what it takes. I mean, look, here’s the reality of it, folks. Let me tell you. Today is December 31st, okay? It’s December 31st. It’s New Year’s Eve. He’s not from Fort Lauderdale, okay? What is a 23-year-old doing in a city he’s not to just come on a podcast? You know, he could say, well, you know, the average 23-year-old. You know what, why don’t we do January 2nd after the New Year’s?
NICK SHIRLEY: No.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Hey, Nick, I want to do a podcast. I want to sit down and talk to you. Let’s figure it out. I’m in Minnesota. Rob calls, boom, boom, boom, boom. He’s in here in town. We’re doing—these are things that, you know, most investigative journalists would do, would need to do. You would expect people like this to do it.
But today, the biggest competition they have is independent journalists that are willing to go out there and be aggressive, that are willing to go up 10 hours of sleep in three days to expose the story. So I’m proud of the work that you’re doing.
There’s a lady that made a video and said, “Nick Shirley, please, if you see this.” Did you see this video? Rob, can you play this clip? Watch this, folks.
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Nick Shirley, I hope you see this video. Please come to Columbus, Ohio. The reporting you did in Minnesota was amazing. Thank you for that. And if you come to Columbus, Ohio, you will find the exact same fraud. You will see the exact same things. Daycares everywhere, the home health care. I mentioned that in my video.
I do not have your bravery to go out here and knock on doors like you did. I don’t even want to leave my room right now. Okay, but you could come here and do what needs to be done. Please, please investigate. Please talk to our government officials and you see how the police escorted you out of that building. The Columbus police are on the same take, I am sure.
Allegedly, let me say allegedly before I got the Columbus police coming after me as well as the Somalis. It’s a lot. In the meantime, please come here and investigate. You will find the exact same things and the rest of the country needs to know that it is real. Thank you for all you are doing and please, please, please stay safe.
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Plans for Future Investigations
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And by the way, this is one of many videos that are making—asking you to come to different places. Do you have plans? Because I’m sure you’ve seen the numbers while they’re doing this, California wants to put a 5% tax on the wealthy, and then they get exposed for $24 billion of homelessness fund that they got Newsom that nothing happened to it. The train that they say they’re going to build, $18 billion. Nothing’s been built yet. Not a single rail’s been put there.
All of these things that are being exposed. Some people may be saying, “Hey, Nick, maybe California, maybe New York, maybe this.” Are there certain places you’re targeting next?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I have a whole list of places I want to go next, especially with the fraud. So me and David will be going to more cities. I’m going to bring David because David’s the man, dude. Everyone loved him.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Tell me why.
NICK SHIRLEY: But he’s so—he’s one, he’s super smart, and he just cares about the country, and he cares about law being upheld and fraud is fraud. It’s so annoying that you have people receiving millions of dollars. Meanwhile, we are all working so hard just to give our—sometimes even half of our check to the government.
We’ll be going to more places. When you have a place like California where they just lose $24 billion, it needs to be investigated. People deserve to know where they’re going, especially when it’s affecting your quality of life. If you’re living in California.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. There’s no question about it. By the way, Theo Vaughn yesterday. Did you see what he tweeted yesterday?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. He’s like, “Why are we paying taxes?”
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Why are we paying taxes? If you’re paying taxes, it’s because you want to see good happen with the taxes that you’re paying.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. And I think what’s so amazing is my journalism is actually creating change. What we saw with—what’s the department called? The—not HSI. HSS. Yeah, HSS. HHS.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: It’s the—what is it? $185 million that they’re stopping.
Creating Real Change Through Journalism
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. So what’s so amazing about what I’m doing right now with my journalism is that it’s actually creating change. So people are mad at me for this, though. You’re seeing them come at me on CBS, CNN, and every single time they point out something, they say, “Conservative YouTuber, MAGA YouTuber.” They just can’t admit that I’m creating real change inside of the country right now.
Never before has one of their investigations ever led to a point where they say, “Oh, wait, we’re going to stop funding, and we’re going to make sure everything’s legit before we start giving them money.” I mean, we—I could—that video alone, I could have just saved the country hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, I think you did. I think what you did is a lot of people are now getting exposed, and they’re not happy about it. Matter of fact, there was a—when you were in Minnesota, a guy pulled up to you, right? And he says, “I think I know what you’re doing.” Okay, “Why don’t you just say what you really want to say?” Right? This is the exchange, Rob. Is this yesterday or just a couple days ago?
NICK SHIRLEY: This is yesterday.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is yesterday.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. So we have a whole other video coming out about other frauds that’s taking place.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You have a whole new video coming out.
NICK SHIRLEY: Whole new video. It’s going to be a masterpiece because it is crazy. And each and every single time more than the first. Oh, yeah, it’s going to be crazier because now the people—now, the Somalis were right. They were after me. They were coming, and people were stopping in the middle of intersections, hopping out of their car, and I had to get security for this video coming out, just trying to literally attack me.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I saw one of the videos that somebody tried to attack you, and you try to protect your camera guy.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is that still part one or is that part two?
NICK SHIRLEY: There’s so much going on, I don’t—
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You know which one I’m talking about, because I saw one of the clips where you’re like, no, no, you didn’t let the guy hit your camera guy. Every time they were swinging at the camera guy, you were standing in front of it.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes, I think that was part one. Part one? Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Could have been.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, that was part one. This one, people were literally pulling over and getting out. Like, in the middle of an intersection, a red light. They’re stopping their car and coming out, and they’re just coming out and trying to slam me for being a racist, for being Islamophobe. Meanwhile, I’m interviewing another black man in Minnesota, and they’re calling me a racist.
Confrontation on the Streets
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Show that one video, Rob. The one with the guy saying, “Why don’t you just tell the truth on what you’re trying to do?” Go ahead, Rob. That one. “Why are you sensationalizing the propaganda? What are we sensationalizing to attack our community? What’s your final objective?”
NICK SHIRLEY: We’re not attacking the image.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Are you making good money from this?
NICK SHIRLEY: We’re looking for fraud. For instance, can you answer our question? Where’s The Safari Transportation Company 607? It’s not there.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: How much—how much money are you—how much money are you making?
NICK SHIRLEY: Greenline Security?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: How much money are you making money off of YouTube?
NICK SHIRLEY: That’s how I make my money. So you’re making money off of sensationalizing. Not my job.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: And attacking the Somali community.
NICK SHIRLEY: I’m not attacking you guys. We’re asking.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I’ll tell you the reason why this is happening. All right, let me tell you the reason why you’re attacking.
NICK SHIRLEY: Fraud, correct? Yes. This has nothing to do with race. This is fraud.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This is absolutely has to do with—with us being Muslim.
NICK SHIRLEY: No, it does not.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: All right? And us being from Africa. This is a constitutional argument. So you don’t want us here. Change the freedom of religion. Say, “Listen, we don’t want Muslims in this country anymore.”
NICK SHIRLEY: We’re not saying—
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, no, no, no. Because when I go on to your comments, when I go onto your comments, what I see is people that say, “We do not want Muslims here. Kick every single Muslim in Minnesota out of Minnesota.” You are—listen. You preparing.
NICK SHIRLEY: You’re preparing for the Somali community to—
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Meet, to maybe be taken to concentration camps. Just a big Japanese community.
NICK SHIRLEY: All right?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You’re sensationalizing.
NICK SHIRLEY: No, we’re not. All right.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Something that we’re asking about. No, you are what you do. You hate Muslims.
NICK SHIRLEY: I’m not saying I hate Muslims.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You know you hate Muslims. Why are you attacking us? Are we the only community that suffers because of fraud? Are we the only community that does—
NICK SHIRLEY: Let me say something. Fraud.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We have what, a thousand providers. Okay, what did he just say? Even—even. It’s 2,000. Are we—okay, let it continue. Because it’s important what he’s saying here. Sorry. Sacrifice the safety of 80,000 people because of 2,000 providers. Are you mad? Are you stupid? You’re sensationalizing in Minnesota. That’s what you can’t teach folks. Any Somali. Every single Somali gets hurt. It’s because of you. Sensationalizes. You son of a—sensationalizes. Get the f out of our neighborhood. Get the f out of our neighborhood. Get the f out of our neighborhood. Get the f out of here. Get the f* out of here.
The Statistics Don’t Lie
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So you can pause it right there. Listen, you can’t teach courage. You cannot teach courage. You can read all the books in the world. You cannot teach courage. You either have it. You don’t have it. You got it. Major props to you, by the way.
Here’s Newsweek. You ready? This is from AP. When he says, “Why don’t you go target other audiences, other communities?” From AP in Newsweek. Rob, if you can pull up this article, you know which one I’m talking about. We read about this yesterday. AP cited the citing. The U.S. attorney’s Office for Minnesota reported that Somali Americans made up 89% of those that had been charged in connection with the case of December 19th.
Trump has repeatedly criticized the state’s large Somali community in recent weeks. Meaning all the fraud that’s happening, 89% of it was tied to that community. The new allegations follows a series of fraud cases involving government programs in the state. The firestorm over alleged mass fraud began earlier this year and intensified in December after the state acting U.S. attorney said $9 billion or more in federal funds allocated to 14 state run programs since 2018 have been stolen and 89% was tied to Somalis.
We don’t care what nationality you are, we just want to know who’s doing it. If you come to America, you assimilate, you make the place a better place. Let’s turn you into a flipping hero. But if you come and you steal from taxpayers and you have the data that came up, Rob, which is so frustrating, that says 10 years after, you know which one I’m talking about. The chart, I sent it to yesterday.
Folks who lived in America, Minnesota for 10 years plus, what percentage of them were still taking welfare or social programs that we have? 78% were 10 years after living in America, in Minneapolis. What do you mean? 78%. 78%. These are numbers and stats that are out there, Rob. If you don’t have it, I’ll send it to you so the audience can see this.
And by the way, while I’m looking for this, can you do me a favor? While I’m looking for this, Rob, can you play the clip of that one guy saying, “Yes, you white man. Yes, you white girl. You go work while I’m paying for this. Yes, you.” You know which one I’m talking about. I sent that to you yesterday. And the entitlement’s insane from the level of boldness.
What is the energy? While you’re talking to this guy in that video, what happened afterwards? Did he leave? Did cops come? Did security come? What happened afterwards?
NICK SHIRLEY: A whole mob of Somalis came. Like they stopped the street and they fired people, probably at least 10.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And did they at all, at any point try to hit you, swing at you or—
NICK SHIRLEY: No, that guy kept coming after me and security had to keep getting in front of him.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Your security or his security?
NICK SHIRLEY: My security.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So you have to hire security for the second time around you went to Minnesota?
NICK SHIRLEY: Oh, yeah. I had to get massive security for this video. I had four people with me because of how crazy these people got. I mean, literally, they pushed me. They—that guy pushed me off the street. He came after me. And you see, they try to call you Islamophobe, racist. I’m like—I’m like, well, answer the question. Where is Safari Transportation? Is it right here? Because the address says it’s right here from the state of Minnesota. But it’s a wiring company. It’s for money. And he wouldn’t answer the question. They can’t. They know fraud’s happening. Like that guy, dang well knows that fraud’s happening inside his place. He said, “Are we the only community that commits fraud? Are you only coming after us because we commit fraud?” And, yeah, it’s pretty wild.
The Entitlement on Display
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is a clip of a guy, and we verified on X to see if it’s real or not. This is a Somali guy. Look what he—folks, if you’re wondering, like, “Hey, be fair with this community. Be fair with that community” and all this other stuff, it’s very simple. Find out for yourself on what they’re saying. Watch the energy of this guy. What does—does this decrease your blood pressure or does it increase your blood pressure? Go ahead, Rob.
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You work all f*ing day.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You don’t got sh*t.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Thank you for working so hard.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: So I can be home all day free.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I can use my EBT.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Go to work for me. White boy, white girl. Yeah, go to work for me. You white animals work for me. And the US Government is the—
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: They work for me.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: All of you work for me. Now go to work.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: By the way, I showed this to Jake. I said, “Is this 3D?” He starts laughing. I said, “Is this AI?” He says, “Pat, that doesn’t look like—” Every second he’s watching it, he started going like, “Maybe it is AI, because this doesn’t sound right for somebody to talk like that.” Then I had Umberto and Rob look into it. Then we went to Grok because, you know, verifies the videos. That’s an actual video.
There’s another video, Rob, of a guy that’s at Home Depot, and a Home Depot employee is getting upset at these guys. And he says, “Do you have all kind of cash here? Let me throw some cash your way. Let me throw some cash your way.” Did you see that clip I texted to you earlier? You should have it. I just sent it to you again. If you check your text, you’ll have it while you’re doing that.
Rob, can you pull up that chart? And I’m going to go to Nick on this one, if you can pull up the chart. So this is the chart. This is a very important chart, guys.
NICK SHIRLEY: 81%.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 81. Can you tell them what this chart is, Nick, please?
The Welfare Statistics
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. So this chart is showing the population of Somalis inside of Minnesota compared to native households. And you’re having 81% of the Somali population is on welfare and 54% on food stamps and—and 73% on Medicaid. So it’s not even—and I’ll tell you why there’s so many that—and why they’re able to do this is, for instance, just take the daycares, for example.
So a Muslim man, he’s able to have four wives. They go and work at these daycares. They don’t actually get any tax. They don’t get any—how do you say, like to get taxed? These people don’t actually get taxed or they don’t actually file that they’re working, so they’re just getting paid cash, as you saw in the video. And so then when they go—so then when they go to the office and whatnot, they will say, “Well, we need money, because we don’t—we’re not working.”
And so you have four—you can have—you could have—you could have up to four wives, all collecting welfare and for one marriage.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: What a business model.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. And they’re all living inside these communities, and so their money is just getting funneled around. Millions of—literally billions of dollars is getting funneled around inside of these communities, and they’re also collecting welfare on top of it. So they don’t pay for their food, they’re not paying for their housing, because they’re all on welfare.
Meanwhile, they’re getting cash because the money they get from CCAP from these daycares, for instance, is all tax exempt. And just wait till I tell you guys about how they’re moving millions of dollars to the airport and sending it back to Somalia.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Airport.
Cash Flowing Through TSA
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. I had a whistleblower come on my new video that we’re creating. And inside the Minneapolis airport for years now. You can even see Fox News covered in 2017. They have been funneling millions of dollars in cash through TSA.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Through TSA.
NICK SHIRLEY: Through TSA.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I saw something about this. I’m trying to see if it’s the same thing.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I believe it probably is, because they’ve—but they’ve literally receiving millions of dollars, and they just send it back over to Somalia and they just have to get to Dubai. They have to get to their—they have to get to Dubai. So then they can then send out that money.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. Here’s a New York Post story, Rob. “Minnesota multimillion dollar daycare fraud reportedly stretches back to 2014. Saw scammers leave US million dollars a pop in cash.”
Okay, so this story, tens of millions of dollars in cash transported in luggage started flying out of Minneapolis St. Paul International Airport around a decade ago with a marked uptick beginning in 2016 with travelers departed with a total of $84 million and another $100 million the next year. Fox 9 reported in 2018.
The troubling report has taken an explosive new significance since the Fed’s alleged a mind boggling up to $9 billion of fraud scheme in which supposed businesses such as daycares were taken away. So here’s the question. How much of this you think Tim Walz knew is happening?
Tim Walz’s Knowledge of Fraud
NICK SHIRLEY: Oh, he’s known about it. That’s why he’s saying fraud’s been happening for years. He literally knows that fraud has been happening. He is so stupid. Like he knows it’s happening. If someone’s stealing money from me and if I’m giving them money and they’re going to do something with it, what am I going to do? I’m going to stop giving them money.
He’s enabled and continued to let this fraud happen and so is everybody else inside of that Capitol building because they’re the ones writing the checks.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Rob, is this the clip? Because this kind of brings me to a completely different thing that I’d like some people to look into. Rob, is this him talking about that he knows fraud is happening in 2019?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yep.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is a 2019 clip.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yep.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, go for it.
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TIM WALZ: Six years ago, want to be clear that the Legislative Audit report gave us a clear path. It told us that we could do better. And just like Minlars, I now own that and I own the fix for that. But I do want to be clear before we take some other questions on this, that what needs to stop is a demonization of one community involved in this.
What needs to stop is an absolutely unproven storyline that continues to resurface on the House floor that this money went to terrorists and it’s targeted at one group of our citizens here of Minnesotans. We’ll own that this thing needs to be fixed. We’ll own that there were problems in this. We will own that there are fixes. And we think we propose the right amount, but we’re open to that to try and close this.
But again, I am not going to allow folks to use this as a hammer against a group of people.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, so he’s not going to allow to use this as a hammer. Okay, so then the next question is, how do you think he benefit from it? Not just election wise, but you think he benefit from it financially. How do you think he benefit from it?
The Incentive Behind Allowing Fraud
NICK SHIRLEY: There has to be some sort of incentive where he’s benefiting from it, whether it be he’s actually receiving money or he, or obviously the votes. But he has to have some sort of incentive to allow this happen. Maybe he’s getting somebody else rich and then he’s then getting money to funnel for his next campaign.
That’s kind of how I even had a mayor in California tell me once that that’s why there’s so many nonprofits, because they create these nonprofits and that money can go back to funneling somebody else’s campaign. But so Tim Walz, he’s probably receiving some sort of benefits. I know he’s been to China a lot.
Tim Walz, he’s actually not even from Minnesota. He was born in Nebraska. I don’t even know if he owns a home in Minnesota. Like, I don’t think he actually, like, physically owns a home in Minnesota. He lives in the governor’s mansion. But lots of really strange things underneath Tim Walz.
And why would it take, Pat, if you’re giving somebody millions of dollars and you notice that millions of dollars are going to places where they shouldn’t be, how many years do you think it would take for you to solve that issue?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Six months? Three to six months? You put the entire team behind it because you want to be able to gain credibility that we’re addressing this issue and it cannot continue.
NICK SHIRLEY: So he said six years, and then 2023, he said, we’re going to, he’s either 2023, I think he said, we’re going to give them a raise. We’re going to give the child care raise in Minnesota.
The Tim Walz VP Selection Mystery
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. This is a little weird because the one thing when Kamala Harris was choosing the VP and you know, is it going to be Newsom? Newsom rejected it. Is it going to be Josh Shapiro? They’re not comfortable that he was Jewish and that, you know, he had some stuffed skeletons in a closet from a previous friend that he protected. They claimed that was the reason. Right. And Josh is not a fan of Kamala Harris.
Nobody in a million years thought it was going to be a guy named Tim Walz. But here’s what happened. Rob, if you want to pull this up, when they announced Tim Walz. What’s weird is 24 hours after announcing Tim Walz, a record breaking $36 million went into the campaign. It was a record breaking thing that happened.
NICK SHIRLEY: Whoa.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I don’t know if you knew this or not. Harris campaign raises $36 million in 24 hours after announcing Walz as running mate. Where that money came from, of course someone can investigate this. And they said this was a record breaking number. Who is Tim Walz? It’s not like it’s a massive name. Where is that money coming from? You know, we don’t know who this individual was to be able to get this kind of money, but it gets people to question where this money came from.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, 100%. That kind of goes back to my point that they’ll start these organizations or start these daycares and then they can just get all this money tax free and then they can funnel it wherever they want.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. So that, that is the part where how is he winning from doing this? Then there’s also some people that were speculating saying, you know, Tim Walz getting in. This is such a big issue nationwide with Democrats in different places. I even saw one that said Pennsylvania is also another place they’re looking into.
If this becomes a national thing on the Democratic side for fraud, this is not just bad for Tim Walz, this is bad for everybody. Yesterday, Scott Jennings on CNN. I don’t know if you saw this exchange between Scott Jennings and Dear Abbey. Yeah, did you see that exchange? Rob, if you want to play this clip.
NICK SHIRLEY: Clip.
Scott Jennings Confronts CNN Panel
PATRICK BET-DAVID: It was Scott doing his typical thing, which is, you know, destroying everybody on that show. And you know, the CEO of CNN. Robbie, if you want to play this clip real quick, watch this exchange.
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ABBY PHILLIP: Folks, why is it that right now everything seems to be about whether or not the people involved here are Somali?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Even though one of the biggest people.
ABBY PHILLIP: Who were involved in one of these.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Frauds was not Somali at all. She was a white woman. So respond to that. Doesn’t that disprove everything he just argued?
SCOTT JENNINGS: Well, they’re obviously rounding up.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The answer is no. They’re rounding up everybody who is involved in fraud. They’re not rounding up.
ABBY PHILLIP: They’re all talking about Somalis. That’s the point.
SCOTT JENNINGS: I want them to round up anyone who is involved in defrauding American taxpayers of what apparently amounts to $9 billion in a very, very small state. Somali. Whether they’re citizens, immigrants, white, I don’t care. You don’t care? I want fraud to stop. But do you support the targeting of this one community? I support the right thing to do. I support the targeting fraud.
ABBY PHILLIP: But do you support the targeting of the Somali American community if they are.
SCOTT JENNINGS: Directed by the president? If they are engaged on all ethnicity. That’s not what he said. If data says it’s the case, go keep playing it. Should that make them immune? That’s a straw man argument. No, just answer the question. I did anyone involved in fraud not.
ABBY PHILLIP: Based on their ethnicity.
SCOTT JENNINGS: I want it based on whether they’re involved in fraud. Is this really so hard to answer that question? I want it. Yeah, it’s so hard. The only criteria we shouldn’t target people. Criteria I have said fraud.
ABBY PHILLIP: We shouldn’t target people based on their.
SCOTT JENNINGS: Can you say I can say that? Can you say I can say that? Scott Jennings won’t say that. Why won’t you say that? Because I don’t agree that that’s what’s happening. I don’t agree with your fallacy. I don’t agree with your stupid hominin.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: There’s another clip on this one. There’s another clip where he is just going at it with Abby. It’s an exchange between the two of them. But finally these types of conversations. This the one, I think.
NICK SHIRLEY: No, that’s not.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: There’s one that he’s going with Abby back and forth and it’s a very, very strong exchange that they’re having. The point is at this point, is this the one?
NICK SHIRLEY: This is where they talk about Tim Walz claiming that fraud was a white supremacy.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, this is the one.
NICK SHIRLEY: Go ahead.
Tim Walz and the White Supremacy Accusation
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SCOTT JENNINGS: Democrats who have put Somali diaspora and Minneapolis at the center of their party and their state’s politics. It’s a small portion of the population. There is a bunch of fraud that goes on and even Tim Walz has claimed that any investigation of this fraud is akin to white supremacy. Because he has.
ABBY PHILLIP: No, he has not claimed that. He has said that. He has not said that.
TIM WALZ: This is what happens when your own federal government wages war against you. This is what happens when they target communities for their own benefit. This is what happens when they scapegoat and this is what happens when they no longer hide the idea of white supremacy. The idea of white supremacy. The idea of white supremacy. The idea of white supremacy.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: See, this is why you can’t do things like that today. There’s a 17 year old kid that’s a great editor that knows how to take it, find it and he has all the time in the world. Dear Abby, you can’t say stuff like that with CNN anymore. You can’t. Someone like a 23 year old Nick Shirley, that’s fearless with courage is going to come and say, let me investigate this a little bit more if this is true or not. If he ever said this or not. Go ahead.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. Tim Walz said it himself. He called me and everybody else a white supremacist. Yeah, yeah. For simply just caring about fraud. Yeah. And that’s why he’s allowed fraud to happen. Because he’s so scared of being called a racist. Because an Islamophobe in for saying things for what they are, that fraud is fraud. It’s a fact that the Somali population inside Minnesota are committing 89% of the fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 89% of the fraud in Minnesota is coming from Somalia.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
Calls for Accountability
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I mean, what does that do to you? I mean, the question then becomes from the White House yesterday, Eric Trump tweeted, I don’t know if you saw this tweet. The best part about this tweet is the comments below. And Eric Trump, we’re friends with Eric, but Eric tweets something and says, I don’t know if you saw this, Rob. He says, man, people better get start getting right there.
He said, people better start going to jail in Minnesota. And the most common retweet was, dude, your dad’s the president, like, meaning, you know, give him a call and do something. But the reality of it is if an Eric Trump is saying, people better start going to jail. Don Jr. had you on, I think last night. You were on a show last night with him.
People simply want to see if anyone’s going to be held accountable or not. Going into 2026, do you think with the work you’re doing, you’re almost forcing them to have to make a decision of people getting arrested? And if that, have you started seeing people getting arrested? Like when you went to Minnesota, did you see the government there as well?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Going knocking on doors?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. And that was directly because of my YouTube video and because of the video that went viral on X. I love that. So when have you ever seen a piece from a journalist, from a YouTuber that’s created such a change, where literally within hours they launch a full fledged investigation to go and crack down on the fraud?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is this one of them?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay. Rob, can you play this? What do they find here? What’s this one?
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NICK SHIRLEY: They’re just going door to door, just looking for me, asking people about fraud. Because I guarantee inside of this business there’s probably a transportation company that’s also labeled there. There could be a home health care business there. There could be an adult daycare. And it’s a grocery store. So that’s how these companies are operating. I went to so many places where they don’t even have a real business. Wow.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: So this could be three or four businesses.
NICK SHIRLEY: Oh, yeah.
The Investigation Deepens: Confronting the Evidence
PATRICK BET-DAVID: What else did you find, Rob? Have they made any major arrests? Have you seen people walking out, getting arrested? I haven’t seen any of that yet. I haven’t seen any of that yet that’s taking place. I haven’t seen the full on, like the way 1980s when Rudy Giuliani went out there and a bunch of mobsters were getting arrested. 240 something of them getting arrested, coming out with handcuffs. We haven’t seen that yet.
I think that’s what the American people want to see. They want to see some accountability taking place. By the way, you know that other video that we played where the guy said, Rob, can you go to the video of the guy claiming that Nick Shirley came at a time that nobody was here? And that’s not fair because the time is this and I’m here. There’s kids here every day. I’ve been here for eight years. There’s always kids here. There’s kids here. There’s a video right there. That guy right there. So watch this, watch this video.
NICK SHIRLEY: Go ahead.
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: What would you say to Nick Shirley, the YouTuber, if he was standing in front of you? I have nothing against him himself, but I do have something against the rhetoric. It’s going to be a journalist. Just have a moral compass, like do what you do correctly.
If you catch businesses that are fraud, no one here is with that or like we all support that as a community. I don’t support that myself. I was born and raised here. I’m not for fraud. Like the notion that hey, a certain batch of somebody got caught, so all of them support it. It’s like, no, no one in any community, any mishaps that happen, the rest of the community obviously doesn’t want that to happen.
It’s a stain on all of our names, as the United States can see. We don’t want that to happen. We don’t take part in that. We don’t like that. We don’t want that in our community. But just to say, hey, a Somali company got caught so they must all do it. I feel like that’s what he’s doing. 89% body.
NICK SHIRLEY: What about 10 p.m. may not be your typical daycare hours. So can you explain why it is?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The reason for that is we’re after school hours. So most of our clients, not most of our clients, all of our clients is after school hours. So schools earliest dismissal would be 2:15 to 2:30-ish. And the latest dismissal would be up to like 4:30-ish. You said were there 11. That’s what you said.
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NICK SHIRLEY: I went at 11 in the morning and then I went back the next day at a later time. And what’s interesting is when he’s out talking and doing this simultaneously at the exact same time, the commissioner of children is saying that that daycare was closed a week ago. I filmed my video, the first one on December 16th when it was still operating.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This video was shot December 16th. That was released December 26th.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, so it wasn’t filmed over winter break.
NICK SHIRLEY: It was filmed 10 days before Christmas.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yes. And so it was still operating as a business according to the commissioner of children.
NICK SHIRLEY: Got it.
Neighbor Testimony Contradicts Official Claims
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And by the way, isn’t this the same location that in the first 42 minute show that you did, a neighbor is like, I’ve never seen kids here.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. A man who’s been living here for eight years.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: It’s very important because, and you can tell that guy’s just being, and straight up I was like, no, I’ve never seen anybody here before. I’ll find a time for you, Rob, if you want to look for it.
NICK SHIRLEY: It’s time stamped on my YouTube.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, just go to, on your YouTube.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, go to the YouTube channel. So it’s about at, what do you guys think that’s taking place here in Minnesota?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Go to 16:30. I don’t think I’m here.
NICK SHIRLEY: Okay. And, but basically this guy’s been living here for eight years. He’s never seen a single child.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Press skip right to the right. Okay.
NICK SHIRLEY: If you go one more minute. Up, up.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Fast forward or behind?
NICK SHIRLEY: Forward.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Keep going, keep going. This is a lady that thinks you’re ICE.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. And by the way, they also spelled leering wrong. And they also spelled Nicollet wrong.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And by the way, okay, right there, pause it for a second. Pause it for a second. And by the way, they responded to why the leering center? They said the printing company made that mistake. And then Rob asked the question, if they made a mistake, why did you put up in the first place? And then they said they went back and they were going to change it for eight years. For eight years they made the mistake and it was going to get changed. But what happened, Rob? There was a…
NICK SHIRLEY: It was too cold outside for them to come. For eight years.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. Okay, so, but watch this. So that same place where the man says for eight years kids are here all the time. This is what a neighbor said of what he’s seen at this place. Go ahead, Rob.
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NICK SHIRLEY: Have you ever seen children at that daycare center right there? Where? Yeah, it’s right there. It says the child. You’ve never seen daycare?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I don’t see anybody in here.
NICK SHIRLEY: We’re going to educate you on something. So what do you think about this daycare center? They spelled learning wrong. They’ve received over $1.9 million this year alone, and they’re supposed to have 99 children here.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I don’t see it.
NICK SHIRLEY: Have you ever seen any children here? None. Not at all. None.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This year they got $1.9 million. Last year they got $1.5 million of them. Your tax money for 99 children. We just want to know where are the kids?
NICK SHIRLEY: Right. Where are the children?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I don’t see them.
NICK SHIRLEY: I haven’t been here since 2017.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I haven’t seen anybody like that. Never seen a child here?
NICK SHIRLEY: No, not at all. And so you’ve never seen a child here for eight years?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Nope, not at all.
NICK SHIRLEY: And how does that make you feel, knowing that this place is receiving $1.9 million?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Disgusting. Then you walk over with, what the hell? They stealing the money. That’s a federal grant, too. If they get caught. And for us, the federal. I know.
NICK SHIRLEY: I said he’d lost. And do you think Tim Walz should go to jail for all the fraud that he’s enabled here in his state? That’s him doing this.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: What the heck? Yeah, he’s got to be held accountable for this.
NICK SHIRLEY: I mean, there’s no, there’s no rhyme or reason what’s going on here.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: It’s simple.
NICK SHIRLEY: It’s nothing there.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: It’s a parking lot.
NICK SHIRLEY: And look, they even spelled learning wrong on their sign. For a place that’s supposed to be educating children, that’s great.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I mean, who runs it? Who supposedly runs it?
NICK SHIRLEY: Somalians.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Oh, my God.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: Who is he, by the way?
NICK SHIRLEY: He was just walking around. He’s just walking to go get his coffee.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So he’s walking around, going to get his coffee, he sees you, and you pull him aside.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, that’s how all my videos work.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So you just got to start talking to the guy.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So this is a guy that lives in that area, works in that area since 2017, and he’s never seen kids in that property.
NICK SHIRLEY: Never.
The Political Connection Revealed
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And then, by the way, that guy that responded to you, and he says, I have nothing against Nick Shirley. I just say there’s got to be some kind of a journalistic integrity. Can you go to the other clip? Another independent YouTube Instagram account.
NICK SHIRLEY: This is the craziest.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Did you see this one? Okay, so check this out, folks. Apparently the same guy that was in the back calling out Nick Shirley, look. What Tyce. Can we give credit to this content creator? What’s Rob?
NICK SHIRLEY: I can’t.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 47 years. I can’t see anything.
NICK SHIRLEY: Sabrina Cosmos.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, Sabrina Cosmos. She sounds, it’s a Greek last name. Maybe it’s different, but here’s Sabrina showing something that I think we should be interested in. Go ahead, Rob. Am I going crazy or is this…
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SABRINA COSMOS: The same guy is the manager of the infamous Learning center in Minneapolis? Also one of the guys that was dancing in the back of Mayor Jacob Frey’s election victory video, the one that went super viral where he thanks his constituents in Somali for re-electing him last month.
Abraham Ali claims to be the manager of the Quality Leering center and says that there is no fraud going on whatsoever there. He very well may just have a doppelganger who happens to look just like him that lives in the very same city he lives in, or he could be one of the Somali community leaders who is working with local electeds to keep some of these fraud schemes going.
But that would just be crazy, right? I could be totally wrong to assume this, but he’s got a very unique face and hairline. Put out a certain message about a certain group. I mean, he looks so similar to this guy going, speaking. It would make sense that someone running a fraudulent business would have a vested interest in who is in control politically in the city where they are running said fraudulent business.
And Jacob Frey is no stranger to simping for Somalia. Hell, he even puts out campaign videos in Somali for maga eawa. Jacob Frey, Minneapolis. And the cherry on top is that Governor Tim Walz, after being radio silent, finally comes out and puts out a statement dating later, just a few minutes ago. And what does he do? He blames Trump. Trump keeps letting fraudsters out of prison. I’m curious, do you guys think this is a safe…
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is the same guy that went up there like a spokesperson is the same guy that’s celebrating with the mayor. Has the mayor’s office at all reached out to you?
NICK SHIRLEY: No, they’re actually, one guy even said, because I made this T-shirt, he said, oh, this is perfect. This is perfect. He said, this is perfect to be able to like, basically sue me.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Perfect, perfect evidence that you put that out there. The learing center. 1-800-fraud.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, 1-800-fraud. They’re like, this copyright infringement. I’m like, well, first off if I did you guys a favor because it’s actually learning. So I have the right to use rearing.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That is so funny. But think about it.
The Confrontation
NICK SHIRLEY: You literally have somebody who’s partying with the mayor coming out and talking about the fraud and, and they just magically show up and they start busing in children. Yeah, they literally start busing in children. And while the commissioner of children saying, we closed that place a week ago.
That guy, I don’t know who he is, he’s probably getting paid to cover face. He’s the spokesperson for this mayor right now, trying to make him look good and his time’s up. And I even tried to confront him. I went to the daycare, he was there. I said, alright. I was like, you have a perfect opportunity to talk to me right now. Come debunk all the claims. I’m going to, I want to talk to you. I’ll give you the mic. He won’t. He ran inside the daycare.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I was like, you have that video?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes, I have the video.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yesterday visit that you went to the daycare?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes, I went to the daycare. He was there. I said, oh, awesome. Let me ask you some questions. You have the perfect opportunity to debunk everything. And he goes inside and I get a middle finger from a lady inside and he, and he goes and hides behind the door. So that guy, I don’t, I got to say allegedly, apparently, but that guy definitely is in on the fraud. He’s partying with the mayor.
The Mayor’s Complicity in Daycare Fraud
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So then that means, is the mayor in on the fraud?
NICK SHIRLEY: 100%. They all are. If you look at all the records of these companies, that daycare center has had multiple violations over the past few years. Multiple violations. I think upwards of 10 violations. But yet even if they were closed, they still received $1.9 million.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That is, that is just—
NICK SHIRLEY: And why would you ever put a child in there when there’s only one door? It’s completely blacked out. There’s no windows, there’s no playground. It’s just a place for fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, I mean, my mind goes to a lot of different places. Fraud, safety for kids. Rob, what is this one here?
NICK SHIRLEY: This is the woman that you spoke about, the education Commissioner. Yes, the Commissioner of children, where she talks about the daycare being closed.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: But they’re also showing people going into—
NICK SHIRLEY: The daycare on the same day.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Let me see it. Is there fraud going on here? No, it’s a video. I just want to know what’s your response?
NICK SHIRLEY: Huh?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Get the f* out of here. What’s your response?
NICK SHIRLEY: To the allegations.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is there fraud going on here and is there children? That’s all.
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We are aware of a video that’s being circulated that has gained local and national attention about child care centers in Minnesota. While we have questions about some of the methods that were used in the video, we do take the concerns that the video raises about fraud very seriously. Each of the facilities mentioned in the video has been visited at least once in the last six months as part of our typical licensing process.
Once.
And in fact, our staff are out in the community today to visit each of these sites again so that we can look into the concerns that were raised in the video. So I won’t go into any detail about whether or not any of these have any open investigations. I will share that our team was notified that Quality Learning center just over a week ago and I believe at that time were around space concerns and that’s what was shared. The previous one I mentioned that had been—
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: You give somebody $1.9 million and you only visit that place once every six months and you’re surprised that fraud is happening.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. And then now they’re like, oh, we’re going to start sending people to go look at him. Well, obviously they’re going to start putting children inside the daycares. And the other complaint people had on the Internet was, oh, he went during winter break. No, actually went December 16th. Right now they’re in winter break and they’re putting children inside the daycares. So what does that say?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s right.
NICK SHIRLEY: So their claims are retarded.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That is a very good point. Meaning if they’re doing it now, they’re doing it to hide. Because the 16th would be the time where people are not on break. You need a daycare to be available. By the way, what is—have you seen Ilhan Omar say anything about this?
Ilhan Omar and Tim Walz’s Silence
NICK SHIRLEY: No, I have not. She’s been silent. Tim Walz was silent for three days.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Until he was forced to say something. And he said this is based on Trump because he’s letting prisoners out. So Ilhan Omar recently said something about, look, if they have to kick me out, I’m not afraid, I will go back to Somalia. I’m not an 8 year old where you’re going to scare me. I don’t think it’s that one. If you type in—that’s the one right there.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Watch this one. 17 seconds.
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ILHAN OMAR: Go ahead, Rob. I mean, I have no worry. I don’t know how they take away my citizenship and like deport me, but it’s—but I don’t even know, like why? That’s, like, such a scary threat. Like, I’m not the 8 year old who escaped war anymore. I’m grown. My kids are grown. Like, I can go live wherever I want. I mean, I have—
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: So I wonder how this is going to tie her. Because her and Tim Walz—Tim Walz needs her. She doesn’t need him. I have a feeling that if one of them throws the other one under the bus, the other one’s going down with them, period.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. And Tim Walz, he’s going to have to do one or two things because he’s running for reelection right now. Well, in first, Ilhan Omar—her net worth has skyrocketed from negative to $30 million since—
PATRICK BET-DAVID: How? Nobody knows. They’re saying it’s her husband. They’re saying different things, but nobody knows.
NICK SHIRLEY: So if that’s true, she’s doing some pretty dang good returns on whatever she’s receiving. $174,000 a year. But Tim Walz will have to do one of two things. He will either resign and try to flee and not take accountability, or he’ll be stupid enough to continue his run for reelection and most likely be imprisoned if—
Polling the Audience on Tim Walz’s Future
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, so run a poll, Rob. Which is more likely to happen? Tim Walz resigns. Tim Walz goes to jail. Tim Walz stays in office. And what another option do you want to put on there?
NICK SHIRLEY: Or nothing happens.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Or nothing happens.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. And I hope, like, everyone’s like, we need it now, but we want them to come in with such a solidified evidence that they can just go and, boom, bring the case against him. Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I hope. I hope that’s what’s happening. I hope the reason why Cash has been quiet after that one tweet that he sent out and they haven’t done a press conference. I hope the reason why it’s so quiet, it’s because they’re about to do something. You know what I’m saying? I hope they’re about to—right there. Okay, so check this out. How many votes? Let’s see. What the—okay, so 1,600 votes. Let’s see, 2,000 votes already. While 49% is saying nothing’s going to happen. That is unbelievable. 24% think he resigns. 15%, he goes to jail. 12%, he is reelected. But nearly 3,000 votes, and half the people think nothing’s going to happen to him. Do you agree with these guys?
NICK SHIRLEY: I mean, I sure hope not. Like, I—like—we hope that nothing happened. We hope that something happens.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Accountability happens.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. Some form of accountability. Because if I stole $100,000 or if I stole $5,000 from the government or if you don’t pay your taxes. Right. They’re going to come after you.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: They’re going to come after you for $5,000. They’re going to come after you, let alone billions of dollars. 4,000 votes, and still they’re saying 49% nothing happens.
NICK SHIRLEY: That is—
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That is unbelievable that people don’t think—well, let me see if we run that same exact—if people on X feel the same way. I want to run to a poll same exact way, Rob, on my personal one, which is more likely to happen. Can you do me a favor, Rob, and have PBD podcast retweet it? Just keep that right there so I can write the same thing. Tim Walz resigns.
NICK SHIRLEY: Okay.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Walz resigns. So Ilhan Omar, nobody from the camp has reached out to you at all?
NICK SHIRLEY: No.
Death Threats and Family Harassment
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Have you gotten any threats, like, actual death threats? Yeah.
NICK SHIRLEY: Well, person. And also, can you tell me about that?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Like, are they messaging you, saying, we’re going to get you? What are they saying to you?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, like, they’re saying, oh, like, kirked. You’re going to be kirked.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You’re going to be kirked. That’s what they’re saying.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, like, you’re the next—you’ll be the next Kirk. And it’s just like, are you kidding me? Because it’s not even—like, I—I hate what’s happening right now. Like, I feel bad for my family, honestly, because it’s like, yeah, like, we didn’t do anything wrong, and yet you guys are coming after me like I’m some sort of villain, right? So I’m like, my little sister is getting phone calls. I’m like, why are you guys doing this?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Your little sister is getting phone calls?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, from, like, the news. I’m like, case, don’t talk to my family. I mean, the—some news in—in India, they—they doxed my home. They doxed my dad. They doxed my—
PATRICK BET-DAVID: They—
NICK SHIRLEY: Like, it was really weird. I haven’t even told my dad about that because I just don’t want to even bother him about it.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, dad, you know now, but, like—
NICK SHIRLEY: They put it like, it’s just like, are you guys kidding me? Like, why are you guys coming after somebody for going against fraud? Like, I didn’t make this a right or left issue. I just showed you guys that fraud was happening, and now you guys are coming after me. You’re saying, I’ll be the next Kirk. You’re literally stopping at intersections and coming after me and trying to attack me. Like, why are you so evil? Like, what’s wrong with you? Like, why are you defending fraud? Do you like money being stolen? No. And what are you doing? You’re a racist. No, I’m not a racist. I’m just telling you what the facts are.
You guys are stealing money from the people that are working hard here inside the United States. I was literally talking to a black man, and then the Somali man comes out, and he’s also black. So I don’t—like, I can’t understand what they’re thinking, calling me a racist. I’m having a great conversation with a black man. And then another black man comes up and he’s Somali descent, and he comes and attacks me for being a racist. Like, no, I’m not a racist. It’s so stupid.
A Generation That Refuses to Be Silenced
And that’s why the fraud has been able to happen for so long, because people like Tim Walz are afraid to be calling racist. Afraid to be called racist. And me and my generation, we’re over it. Like, we don’t care. Like, we do not care. Call us a racist. I do not care because I am not a racist.
We’re just seeing that prices of homes are so expensive. I don’t even have a friend that can afford a home. People aren’t getting married because of how expensive things are. And we’re paying so much money in taxes. Most kids are—I’m lucky because I didn’t go to college. But most kids are starting their life off behind the finish, behind the starting line. There’s thousands of dollars in the debt.
And so, yes, we’re upset because you guys are stealing millions of dollars and getting rich. And then you’re bragging about the white man working on TikTok, who’s actually the racist. You’re the racist. You’re the one saying, the white man, you work white woman, you work white man. We’re sick of it. Nobody cares. Like, stop committing fraud. If you’re going to be here, be happy to be here. And work hard. Like, we’re working hard. Whether you’re black, Mexican, Asian, white, just go and work.
And don’t start playing this victim card and start trying to play political. Make things political about money, for instance. Or don’t get mad at people for making money. Like, that’s why America is the greatest country in the world is because of capitalism. And we had 250 years to do it. All these other countries had thousands of years to do it, but they didn’t do it. That’s why we have to protect what’s ours.
The Last Guest on Charlie Kirk’s Show
PATRICK BET-DAVID: No question about. What was your relationship like with Charlie?
NICK SHIRLEY: He texted me the day before. The day before he got shot. Stop it. Yeah, like, he invited me on his show. I was actually the last guest to ever go on Charlie Kirk’s show before he got shot.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Are you kidding me?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You were the last guest to go on Charlie’s show before he got shot and killed?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, it was like an hour before he got shot.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Rob, did you know this?
NICK SHIRLEY: No, I did.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I did not know this.
NICK SHIRLEY: And so I wasn’t like, personal friends with Charlie, but, like, that’s why it hit me so hard, him dying. One, he texted me the night before, and then I was literally the last guest to go on a show.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow. Wow. And what was the conversation about the last day you were on with—with Charlie?
NICK SHIRLEY: Well, he just invited me on a show and then because he was going to do the debate, it was his co host, Andrew, who’s doing the show.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, that’s right.
The Utah Connection and Charlie Kirk
NICK SHIRLEY: Because I’m from Utah too. And what’s strange about me is I was supposed to be at that event and I was even going to go do a live stream and I was even going to reach out to Turning Point to be a part of it. Because I’m well known in Utah and for some reason I decided to go back to New York or else I would have been. Who knows how close I would have been up on that stage or if I was just in the crowd. But I would have been live streaming it.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You would have been live streaming it if you were there.
NICK SHIRLEY: Wow.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Who was Charlie to you?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I think he’s just somebody that, similar to somebody like you, you know, they have your back because you’re also doing the same thing. So you have that mutual respect for him. And yeah, you might not agree with everything Charlie said, but if you think about what he did as far as the movement he created with Turning Point. I don’t know if you were at AmFest last week, but it’s amazing.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Not last week, last year.
NICK SHIRLEY: It’s amazing to see that even one person can gather 30,000 people for a convention in one weekend. Right. And I think he’s just more so just like somebody who’s in the fight with you, speaking truth for what they believe and not standing down to anybody.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Do you have any interest in investigating and finding out what happened there and who shot him? Like, do you have an opinion on that?
NICK SHIRLEY: I think it was that. I think it was Tyler Robinson.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You think it was Tyler Robinson for sure?
Political Violence in Utah
NICK SHIRLEY: I think so. Because I’m from Utah. The most violent protesters I’ve ever been around that I’ve been attacked by are people in Utah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Seriously?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Why is that?
NICK SHIRLEY: Well, in Utah, we’re primarily, most of us are members of the Church of Jesus Christ. We’re Mormons. We primarily support Trump and we don’t fall into the agenda of the LGBTQ because of our religion. You can do whatever you want. But for instance, in our religion, we believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.
And so if you’re anything that’s not, if you’re not a Christian, for instance, and you are in this mob mentality of Antifa, of these left wing ideas where they think literally Trump’s the devil or Charlie Kirk’s a fascist. And so if you’re inside of Utah and you’re somebody who does not believe in that and you’re not happy, you’re in the worst place you could possibly be for yourself.
And that’s why people in Utah have, that’s why the liberals are so crazy in Utah. And that’s why there’s been two killings, political attacks in Utah this year. At No Kings protest, somebody got shot and killed. I was supposed to be at that as well. And they killed Charlie Kirk in Utah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Have you investigated to see who knows Robinson? Have you talked to anybody that knows him personally?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes, because not that knows him personally, but I do have friends that live in St. George and his family was in his ward in his church. And so I think he was just some person who, he left the church and he became, when somebody leaves the church for some reason, it becomes their whole personality typically, and they just become very anti-Mormon and they just like their whole mission is just like their personality becomes like, “I’m an anti-Mormon. Like, what are you doing being a member of the church?”
And so that’s why he was so radicalized in a way where he got to the point where he literally thought he needed to kill Charlie Kirk.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow. So he was previously an LDS?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I believe so.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay. And his parents are still?
NICK SHIRLEY: I can’t confirm. Got it. But I imagine so.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow.
NICK SHIRLEY: They’ve left the state.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: They’ve left the state.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. They’re nowhere to be seen. Even the boyfriend, the transgender boyfriend, his family’s left the state, I’ve heard too.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: The furry guy.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow. I hope where they went, there’s some fur because it’s important to them.
NICK SHIRLEY: So like, this is literally the worst spot for somebody to be if you’re not a God loving man who loves your family.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Makes sense.
NICK SHIRLEY: And we’re also in Utah, most of us are all successful too. Like, there’s not that much poverty in Utah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Mormons are workers. It’s the one thing. Mormons are workers. And this guy, I mean, obviously, you know, the world, especially us, we want to know more of what happened with them. I want to get to the bottom of it, and I hope they eventually do, because it’s causing a lot of uncertainty with certain people.
Minnesota State Representative on Fraud Cover-Up
But going back to this, Rob, you had one clip that you were going to play. Go back to that one clip right there. So this clip here is the freezing of the Minnesota. Can you tell us what this clip is, Rob? Yes, this is Minnesota State Representative Kristen Robbins.
NICK SHIRLEY: She talks about Tim Walz and his team actually being proactive in threatening to expose people as racist and Islamophobic if they expose any type of Somalian fraud in Minnesota.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And who is she?
NICK SHIRLEY: She is a state representative for the state of Minnesota, and she’s over the fraud committee. And so she’s actually in my YouTube video talking about the fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: She’s in the part two YouTube video.
NICK SHIRLEY: Her graphs that I showed in my first video are from her. So she connected all the dots. She’s the Minnesota Fraud Prevention Committee.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, got it.
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KRISTEN ROBBINS: Absolutely. We have dozens of credible whistleblower reports saying that exact same thing, that people were told not to say anything because they’d be called racist or Islamophobic or it would hurt the state. And so people tried to come forward but were shut down.
And that protection of a particular community is what really allowed this fraud to flourish in Minnesota for years. But we have said very publicly that, yes, the bulk of the fraud we’ve discovered so far is in the Somali community, but some of our best whistleblowers are also in the Somali community. And it’s really important that we get to the truth of this issue.
And so by failing to call it out, we allowed it to continue. And that has hurt Minnesotans tremendously, taxpayers and our vulnerable citizens.
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PATRICK BET-DAVID: Have you spoken to her at all?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. You have? I spoke with her at the fraud committee meeting.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This recent time when you went back, or the first time?
NICK SHIRLEY: First time.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Oh, the video at the end where you and the young African American man. So she came?
NICK SHIRLEY: She gave a speech, that lady at the fraud committee. And then that lady who I confronted, she was like, “This is, how are we going to build trust within our communities if we’re talking about this?” And I said, so I was like, all right, we’re going to confront that lady.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, that was very interesting at the end.
NICK SHIRLEY: So this is the Kristen Robbins right there in that red right there.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay. So that’s her.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So this is it. We’re at the end of this. Rob, you want to play this clip? Go back five. Play from right here.
Confronting the Democrat Representative
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NICK SHIRLEY: Representatives showed charts showing exactly how this fraud has been committed and who is profiting. Connecting all the dots. And while the Democrat representatives looked into the abyss, one of them spoke about how none of this is building trust and how this is a nonpartisan issue. So I went and confronted her after that.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He has some very valid questions to ask about what’s going on here in Minnesota.
NICK SHIRLEY: And do you think this fraud, my name is Nick Shirley. Do you think this fraud is Republican or Democrat or just facts that fraud is happening?
DEMOCRAT REPRESENTATIVE: Well, because that’s what I heard you talking about. I know what I said is because we want to build trust, but fraud is fraud. So why should we be enabling fraud to happen here?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, I don’t think anybody is enabling fraud to happen. Hold Governor Walz accountable for this.
NICK SHIRLEY: Okay, sir. No, no, no.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This is, when are you going to hold Governor Walz?
NICK SHIRLEY: Like, no, no, no.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He is a right representative for the state of Minnesota.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes or no?
DEMOCRAT REPRESENTATIVE: Excuse me, if you’re going to talk to me like that.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I’m a disability advocate. I heard you and I stimulated to testimony, ma’am.
DEMOCRAT REPRESENTATIVE: The facts are the fact that fraud is happening here and it’s not a nonpartisan issue. How come you think fraud has been able to happen so much underneath? I think listening to our test, our hearings, we’ve had now 10 hearings on this. And so there’s really good data from the people who both work within the administration as well as both Democrat and Republican.
I think what you heard today is that the Republicans who control this committee are not actually interested in solving fraud. What they’re interested in is telling a story. This fraud has happened underneath Democrat leader Tim Walz. There has been Medicaid fraud across the country under Democrats and Republicans. There’s fraud within the Trump administration.
We have as fraud, public private providers have made government a mark. And so every person running government, Democrats or Republicans, are dealing with the issue of how to keep fraudsters out of our public payment. We’re also dealing with veterans, we’re dealing with consumers. I hope you’re looking at that.
If you look at UnitedHealth currently is being charged with defrauding Medicare. You know who runs Medicare? President Trump. Medicaid fraud is a 50 state issue. And so again, it is not a partisan issue. There are Democrats and Republicans who are sitting in that committee talking about it. But what you did here was the Republican chair say she’s not turning information over to the one person in government who can stop payment. And I hope you print that. Thank you for coming today. Okay.
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Processing the Deflection
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Crazy. Well, you imposure right there. I mean, you see, you see that? How do you process that afterwards, when you hear her saying that, I’m like?
NICK SHIRLEY: Are you kidding me? Like, you’re, now you just try to blame it on Trump. Like, can you not admit fraud? She literally admitted fraud was taking place right there. They all know fraud is happening in Minnesota, so why didn’t they stop it?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, I don’t know. By the way, this is the poll on, where are we at on the poll with the podcast?
NICK SHIRLEY: Oh, wow.
Public Opinion on Walz’s Future
PATRICK BET-DAVID: At 12,000, it’s still at 49%. Well, let me go to X. Look what X is. X is even higher. The people are on X are even more skeptical than YouTube. 63.7% think nothing’s going to happen. 16% think he’s going to get reelected. Only 7.5% think he’s going to go to jail on YouTube. 15% think he’s going to go to jail on X. 12.8% think he’s going to resign on YouTube. 23% think he’s going to resign.
I don’t know. I don’t know what’s going to happen here, but the reality of it is he’s exposed what the US Government. Have you spoken to anybody and asked them the question of what the US Government has the power to do to Walz and how that speed is going to be? Is it a slow process? Have you asked anybody these questions of what can happen to Walz?
The Power of State Governments and Systemic Obstacles
NICK SHIRLEY: Not specifically about Walz, but I’ve asked them, like, how come, in the federal government, when we talk about what’s happening inside our states, why can’t we just go in and solve the fentanyl issue, for instance? And pretty much like we’re seeing how much power states actually have inside the government. When Trump wants to go and clean up a state for crime and governors block it.
So you’re seeing, like, how judges can quite literally block and postpone stuff so long to the point where a lot of stuff just doesn’t even happen, or sometimes people probably get discouraged to the point it’s like, why even try? And so like I said before, I think they’re just going to come up with a case that’s so solidified that when the evidence is provided that they can’t even. There’s no debate for it.
But what’s worrisome is in Minnesota, they found a man guilty of $7 million in fraud. He was found guilty by. He was found guilty. The judge then reversed it after he had been found guilty. It’s like they’re all in on this fraud. Like, when have you ever seen somebody get committed for $7 million of fraud and then walk free after he was committed?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is the one right here. Minnesota judge slam for returning conviction of a pair.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Involved in Medicaid fraud.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And this is. This is Yesterday. This is two days ago. Go a little bit lower, Rob.
NICK SHIRLEY: $7 million.
The $7 Million Medicaid Fraud Case
PATRICK BET-DAVID: How much. How much is your $7 million? Yeah, right there. A judge in Minnesota is currently facing back on forth during a conviction of over $7 million of the couple who were found guilty of misuse of medical Medicaid funds to fund a rich lifestyle. Oh, Rob, is this the one with the cars and the houses and the travel and the luxury homes, or is that a different story? That’s a separate story, but same fraud, same type of fraud. Just different people, different perpetrators that were doing it. So this is not the same people.
NICK SHIRLEY: No.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And where are they from that did this? Abdifa Yosef. Sounds like an American name. So if you want to see where our friend here is from, Abdifa, go to images.
NICK SHIRLEY: It’s like, why would she overturn that?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I don’t think that’s him. Former Al Shabaab recruit turned witness to face deportation. Go back to that one right there. That’s. You found something interesting. Click on that. What date is that? Oh, that’s 10 years ago. Former Twin City, Iran who joined terror group in Somalia, later became a star witness for United States government. Will be released from prison on Thursday.
NICK SHIRLEY: I would not be surprised if that’s the same man.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: If this is the same man, like. But he isn’t a free man. Abdifa Yosef Asi is the first person to finish serving time for a terror related charge as part of his expensive federal investigation into Al Shabaab recruitment. Twin Cities, because he is not a US Citizen has been convicted of felony federal migration enforcement officials took him to custody Thursday and into removal proceedings. Said Ben said an immigration judge will hear.
Rob, do you have the other story of the folks who used the money to. Let me see if I got it here. There you go. So Minnesota scammers spent kids food aid on luxury cars, jewelry. This is December 12th news nation story if you have it. There you go. That’s the one right there.
NICK SHIRLEY: This is feeding our future. Yeah.
The Feeding Our Future Scandal
PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is feeding our Future, Yeah. Text messages recovered by investigators depict individuals flaunting their wealth, including one photo showcasing a box containing $250,000 in cash. They used this money that was supposed to be used for feeding children to buy houses in Minnesota, resort property and real estate in Kenya on Turkey, luxury cars, commercial property, jewelry, and much more. Former U.S. attorney Andrew Lugger said when announcing the indictments in September 2022.
I mean, this is just insane at this point. And investigators also uncovered evidence of international money transfers with millions wired to accounts in China and Kenya. One text message instructed, “Please send $1,000 to Mogadishu Bakara,” referring to a market in Somalia previously controlled by Al Shabaab and Al Qaeda affiliate. The location was also the site of the 1993 Black Hawk down incident in which 18 U.S. service members were killed. Are you kidding me?
NICK SHIRLEY: Like, we’re funneling money and sending money to people who literally hate us? I don’t know, man. I mean.
Waiting for Federal Action
PATRICK BET-DAVID: What is the latest latest? Rob, what is the latest latest? Like, has anything even happened today? You know how the President has a reputation on Christmas Day to attack Nigeria and ISIS? You know, Trump hasn’t said anything so far. He hasn’t said anything.
NICK SHIRLEY: Not referring to my video. No.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Zilch.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, zilch.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: What do you think?
NICK SHIRLEY: I think he’s either coming up with something where it’s so solidified, where something major happens. And, I mean, Pam Bondi came out with what she said, where over 90 people have been so far prosecuted, or they’ve gotten 90 people and 60 of them had admitted to fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I don’t think 60 of them had admitted to fraud.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. I don’t know if that was of this week or if those were prior people, but, I mean, I literally just threw the administration a layup to go in and really get people back on their side.
Reaching Out to the Trump Administration
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Have you tweeted at them? Have you sent a tweet at Kash Patel and the President and Pam Bondi and just saying something like Mayor Suarez said, remember when Elon Musk said about what was going on in California when Newsom and some of the guys didn’t want Tesla to be open during COVID And then Suarez tweeted out, “How can I help?” Maybe if you tweet out, “How can I help Trump Kash Bondi.”
NICK SHIRLEY: Should we do it right now?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Do it right now? I would be, because I’m willing to bet. Folks, if you’re watching this, can you do me a favor? He’s going to retweet this. I’m going to retweet it. Can you go on X and just retweet this. It’s a very basic question.
NICK SHIRLEY: All right, what do we want to see?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I think you just pose a question. It’s an open ended question. Dear Mr. President, Kash Patel and Pam Bondi, how can I help? Question mark. That’s it. Respectfully. Dear Mr. President, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi, how can I help?
I would be curious if anybody reaches out to you because if you’re doing part two, you were just there yesterday because I saw the first one there wasn’t much snow. The second one there was more snow. When you went there it seemed like it was colder. And then now you’re having a hard time even going into streets without security because people coming after you.
NICK SHIRLEY: Well, now people are going to think I’m a fed after I tweet this. So we’ll see what happens. All right, dear Mr. President, real Donald Trump and AG Pambani, I BI Director Kash Patel. How can I help?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: How can I help? Very open ended. Very open ended. I’m just curious because what makes your. Yeah, there it is. What makes your approach different is you’re a good guy who’s curious, who wants America to be better. Let me go to this so I can retweet it.
NICK SHIRLEY: Everybody watching you all better go retweet that. I want people to think I’m a fed.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, the good news is now you’re being there’s documentation. Okay. It’s already got a bunch of retweets. Okay, good. And I just retweeted it as well. Perfect. Let’s see, let’s see if they respond. I think they will. I think they will. I think the way the President works, sometimes he gets ahead of it. Sometimes he has his team. He can’t be everywhere at the same time.
NICK SHIRLEY: But I have a feeling in Ukraine this week.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Say that again.
NICK SHIRLEY: He’s been dealing a lot.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: He’s been dealing with Ukraine. He’s been dealing with a lot, lot of stuff. But to me, on Christmas Day he did what on Christmas Day? He went after Nigeria.
NICK SHIRLEY: Right?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And everybody’s like, wait a minute, Christmas Day Nigeria? I think this is something where everybody, I mean how many, how many tweets has. Elon, can you go on Elon Musk tweet. How many of Musk’s tweet are just about this topic? How many of Musk tweet in the last. Since December 26th that you posted this? How many times has he retweeted a video of somebody that retweeted about you or this topic a lot. Okay, so let’s just count. Let’s just count this.
NICK SHIRLEY: Okay?
Elon Musk’s Amplification of the Story
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Number one, that’s about you.
NICK SHIRLEY: Keep going.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, number two is in an election last year. How’s my. Okay, keep going. Keep going, Keep going, Keep going, Keep going. What is this one here?
NICK SHIRLEY: Tesla.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, keep going. Keep going. I’ve probably seen 40 tweets. What is that about? What is that one about? Illegal immigrants. Virginia.
NICK SHIRLEY: Okay, next one is about me.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, this is you that being called.
NICK SHIRLEY: The racist about fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay? So that’s to. Keep going. So this is 22 hours. Keep going. Scott Jennings, about you.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. Okay.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Because that’s the investigation. Keep going. And this is Elon Musk. Okay, that’s you. That’s you. So keep going. So that’s JD Vance Anylon. Five. That’s also you. Keep going. That’s five tweets already. Keep going. What is that? Illegal aliens?
NICK SHIRLEY: Fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Fraud.
NICK SHIRLEY: So that’s six.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Keep going.
NICK SHIRLEY: You know, I’m looking.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: No, that’s not.
NICK SHIRLEY: That’s Tesla.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Keep going, Keep going, keep going. That’s you.
NICK SHIRLEY: That’s.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s you. Okay, keep going.
NICK SHIRLEY: Seven.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Seven. Right there.
NICK SHIRLEY: Eight right there. That’s about fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s right. Keep going. And that’s 13 hours. That’s in the last 13 hours.
NICK SHIRLEY: Keep going.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Seven and 13 hours. The guy that’s got 230 million followers has tweeted seven things about things that you influenced. That’s it as well, Rob.
NICK SHIRLEY: 8.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Keep going. That’s 9. Bill Ackman.
NICK SHIRLEY: Prad.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 10. Okay, 11. That’s 11 we got. That’s which Bill Ackman. 12. Keep going. So think about that. 12.
NICK SHIRLEY: 13. 13. We’re not. We got to get past 24 hours. 13.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Keep going.
NICK SHIRLEY: Keep.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And this is Elon. This is not just anybody.
NICK SHIRLEY: That’s 13.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Keep going.
NICK SHIRLEY: That’s drought. Fraud.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s fraud. 14.
NICK SHIRLEY: Fraud. 15.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Somalia. SpaceX. We’re at 19 hours. Keep going.
NICK SHIRLEY: 16.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: There goes 17. That’s Somalia fraud. Tim Walz, Ilhan Omar. Keep going.
NICK SHIRLEY: 18. 18. That’s about me.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s 18.
NICK SHIRLEY: 19.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Somalia fraudsters.
NICK SHIRLEY: 20.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 20. We’re at 16 hours, folks. Okay, 20.
NICK SHIRLEY: 20.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Keep going.
NICK SHIRLEY: White hatred.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s white hatred. Up top. 21. This Frost. 22.
NICK SHIRLEY: There I am.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 23.
NICK SHIRLEY: He’s literally saying, because fraudsters want to kill me. 24.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 24. That’s David legendary.
NICK SHIRLEY: David.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 25. 25. We’re at 20 hours, by the way. 26. Okay, keep going.
NICK SHIRLEY: 27.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: 27. 28. 28. We’re at 19 hours.
NICK SHIRLEY: 29. 29.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Oh, my God. 29. That’s. That’s also about you. 30. 31. Okay, we’re at 20 hours. 31. That’s 22. 30. 32. Keep going. 33. 33, 33, 34, 35. That’s 35. That’s 35. 36, 37. That’s in 31 hours. 38, 39. Oh, my goodness. Are you kidding me? I didn’t think it was this many in the last 24 hours. That’s 40 and 24 hours. That’s 41. The next one. 42. 43. 43, 44, 44, 45. 45, 40. Guys, this 40. That’s for sure. 46, 47. 23 hours. That’s Minnesota.
NICK SHIRLEY: 48. That’s 49. 49.
The Elon Musk Effect and National Attention
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So you got 48 or 49 tweets. Can you go all the way to the top? How many followers Elon Musk has? Just go to his account. The man who bought Twitter October of 2022 with 231 million followers, as busy as he is running all these multibillion dollar companies, who is officially net worth is around $750 billion, decided to tweet 48 times on the topic of fraud in Minnesota and Somalians, something you started heavily that went viral on December 26.
Meaning if a guy with his caliber is that interested, I have a feeling you ought to get a call from some folks at the White House saying, hey, how can you help? And a bunch of people are commenting below it. I think there needs to be more attention to this. I think people need to. People want to know what’s going on. I think people want to know, will there be accountability? I think people want to know, you know, what other ways now, what if for you now as an audience, the benefit that you have as an independent journalist.
And by the way, if you guys are watching this again, if you know anybody or any questions or anything and you want to support them, connect them, send them a connect right now at any contacts, information, anything you may have, you can connect. We’ll put his handle below as well the QR code. But the question is going to be what are the places? So one is you, what you’re going to be doing next. Okay, so whether you go to California, whether you go to Ohio, whether you go to Pennsylvania, whether you go to New York, New York would be a very interesting one if you go there. And I know it’s probably not the safest place for you.
NICK SHIRLEY: Mandami also ran on opening up more childcare. He did.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s why I’m saying New York would be an interesting one. If you went over there under Mandani and you did that. I’m sure that would be a lot of noise for him that he doesn’t want to deal with, but California probably would love for you to go there. We obviously know the lady in Ohio, but this could be a very important role. And a bigger picture for me is how many other thousands of people that of course, are maybe not going to do it at the levels you’re doing it, but they’re going to be going knocking on doors right now and they’re going to be saying, you got to be kidding me. Another person coming and asking these annoying questions.
NICK SHIRLEY: Well, people are learning in locations like Washington state, homes inside neighborhoods are adult daycares.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Oh, do you have that clip? That’s Kent, Washington, right?
Washington State Investigation
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes. I can’t go for it. Watch this. Shout out. Cam Halali, Sofia Child care Center in Kent, Washington. $863,000 since 2023. I don’t see any signs right off.
VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:
CAM HALALI: The bat that it’s a child care facility. There’s no car seats, there’s no children’s toys, nothing like that. So we’re going to go in and we’re going to check it out. Hi, is this. Is this Halali Child Care?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, no, there’s no child care here.
CAM HALALI: God. Thank you so much. Always the woman come up and answer the door. All right, guys. We were just at Halali, what’s allegedly Halali Child Care center in Kent, Washington, which is right behind me right here. We went through the door, the exact address listed on the state website receiving over $800,000 since 2023. They claim there’s no childcare here.
A couple hundred thousand dollars for the cars. I went and tried to ask the neighbors if there was daycare there and nobody answered. But I could see the people who lived in that house peeling the curtains back because just like all the other places, all the curtains were drawn. You couldn’t see in or anything. They’re peeling the curtains back and watching me as I walk around to the neighbors houses and they’re scrambling and yelling. And I can hear them.
What’s up with that? Pretty weird. So I’m out of the field now. I’m back at the house and I’m looking at this Halali Safiyya children’s daycare on their $800,000 and their licensed capacity is 9, just like the other place. And their total available slots, meaning the total amount of children they can take on is six, meaning this Daycare is only serving three children. I mean, I think it’s likely they’re not serving any children considering they told me they’re not a daycare.
But at most there could be three children being served by this place and they’re raking in $800,000. 2023. Imagine being. I’ve now pulled up one of their inspection reports. Who wouldn’t go into this business. What you see is again, short term, long term, serious and immediate risks. The government defines serious and immediate risk risks as risks that pose serious risk of injury, illness or even death for children that attend these daycares. And this is the most recent inspection report with no indication that it’s been corrected or fixed. And they’re still raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don’t even understand how this is possible. A normal inspection report for one of these daycares is like two pages long.
VIDEO CLIP ENDS:
A National Pattern Emerges
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You can stop. So this is, this is now going to be a new business model of people going so. Which means imagine how many people that are not in Minnesota who are conducting the same exact scam in different markets have seen this and are now saying, hey man, we better get legit quick because no one’s going to come and knock on our doors.
NICK SHIRLEY: Exactly. Exactly. Like people, they should be worried because there are so many of these all across the country. Even in, even from Maine to Washington state, all the way across the country, there are thousands of these daycare centers. And me and you, we are up, we operate a business, right. Mine’s my YouTube channel. Yours is this podcast and everything else you create. Who opens up a business thinking that we’re going to, we have to, we have to provide some sort of value to make a profit. These people are not providing any value. They’re just receiving money. Right. It makes absolutely no sense.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, I mean, listen, it really does make no sense.
NICK SHIRLEY: But why are we giving money to these people? Like, it’s so funny. I saw this on X yesterday. Someone said, okay, so say these daycares are still operating. Does anybody else have a problem that daycares are receiving $1.8 million while middle income families are paying thousands of dollars for childcare for their children, for daycare. Like, they need to stop all this daycare stuff. It’s his millions of dollars, the rage. I know people in Washington state. Yeah. Who pay $70,000 a year for their child to go to daycare for daycare. For daycare.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. I mean, look at the end of the day, I believe one of the reasons why this went as viral as it did is because the average family is sitting there saying, what are you talking about? About? What are you talking about? You know, I’m busting my tail, I’m following the law, I’m doing everything I can. And another country is going to come here, take advantage of our system, steal from us, and they get away with it. And a governor from Minnesota protects these people. How’s that even possible?
NICK SHIRLEY: And then cause racists for calling it out.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, and then calls racists for calling it out. Well, look, when is your next clip coming up going to come out?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yes, I got to get home to be able to make it.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: You got to go home and edit.
The Next Investigation
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, but it will be so. People will be so shocked by what we discovered. Because it’s not. Because with all these, with all these daycares, healthcare and childcare, there’s a whole aspect that keeps the whole entire thing running. And that’s what we’re going to be exposing this next one. I love it.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I love it.
NICK SHIRLEY: They know where they can get the money from because they’re using wealth or money. So they have all these systems, but they need something specifically to be able to keep the spin rolling. So that’s what we’re talking about.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: So how can people help? If people are watching right now, they’re like, Nick, we love your work. How can we help? How can they help?
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. So I think the most important thing obviously is to watch, subscribe and share. Follow wherever you see it. If you would like to support monetarily or financially, you can donate. I have tips on my ex. Or you could just go and cop and get yourself a quality Lynx hoodie. But yeah, for me, the most important thing is for people to be watching and sharing.
And like I said at the beginning of this podcast, this video that I created is the most viewed video by anybody by name who’s not Mr. Beast that’s ever been on the Internet in a long form content. There’s been clips that have gotten 100 million views here and there. There’s never been a 42 minute expose of widespread fraud here in the United States that’s received over 100 million views.
Courage and Conviction
PATRICK BET-DAVID: And I hope you continue at the highest level. I applaud your courage. You came here with your, you know, with your brother. It’s good to have him here as well. It shows how you were raised with family, with the values, how it’s important to you. And I said earlier, you can’t teach courage. You got a lot of courage. We support you, we’re excited for you. And I know for a fact. Whether you hear from the White House or cash or anybody or not, I highly doubt you’re going to stop. I think you’re going to continue doing this. Eventually you’re going to have to force people to come out and say, we have to do something about this. And I think justice is around the corner because the work that you’re doing.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah, I think so, too. I think we’re actually seeing journalism create change. We haven’t seen journalism create change in who knows how long. When has CNN or CBS actually change, Actually done something that’s actually created change? They play safe, and then when somebody does, they come. You’re seeing all these attacks come against me. These people are like, I saw something. Someone’s calling me like a PDF. They’re saying all these crazy allegations. I’m like, what sucks for them is they’re never going to be able to get me.
I don’t drink alcohol. I don’t do drugs. I’m a virgin. I don’t have sex with random girls. You’re not going to catch me on those sexual allegation charges. I don’t have any addictions. I don’t have any vices. So what are these people going to get me for? They are done. I’m religious. I believe in God. I’m everything they hate.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: I love that.
NICK SHIRLEY: So what are they going to get me for? They can’t get me for anything. Like, they’re going to come after me for my personality or for a stunt I did in high school. Maybe that’s. Maybe the best thing they could get me for is for Nick Shirley being a young, reckless teenager just like any other YouTube prankster. Go ahead. I don’t care. Like, I have nothing to hide. Like, I really have nothing to hide. So, like, I am going to become their worst enemy. You’re going to start seeing them using the slandering tactics, and it’s just going to be comical because they have. They can’t get anything on me. But.
And by the way, the way I’ve lived my life. The way I’ve lived my life and the way I do live my life is a matter of fact way. I have my morals, I have my principles. I surround myself with primarily just my family. I was. Everyone turned their back on me in high school for doing YouTube. I got kicked out of my friend groups because of. Why?
PATRICK BET-DAVID: What did he say?
NICK SHIRLEY: The parents thought I was like, a liability for doing YouTube, for doing YouTube.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: For doing YouTube.
High School Struggles and YouTube Beginnings
NICK SHIRLEY: Because I was just showing stuff that me and my friends would do, like, whether it was with fireworks or throwing water balloons at cars. We were funny in high school. I was just a high school person. I was just like a high school jock. I was the star athlete of the teams, state and track, everything like that. Football team, best player on the football team, all that.
But then I also had this YouTube and I got kicked out of all my friend groups in high school. I got blacklisted from my friends’ friend groups. I didn’t get invited on a single senior trip. I didn’t get invited on any spring breaks because I couldn’t go because their parents wouldn’t let me. So I got blacklisted. I got blacklisted for doing what I’m doing today.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: How many of those guys have reached out to you?
NICK SHIRLEY: Oh, they reach all the time. And I’m like, our relationships will never, ever be the same because how bad they treated me. They never stood up for me or anything. And so that’s why it’s always me. And I choose to go with my family usually. That’s why my brother’s my best friends, because of what they’ve done and how they’ve never drawn back on me.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow.
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: What a story, bro.
NICK SHIRLEY: So for you, like, YouTube has been everything I’ve had because I’ve had people turn their back on me. I’ve had friends literally walk outside to go to lunch in high school, and the friend group that you were in yesterday drives away like crazy just for pursuing YouTube.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: When’s your birthday?
NICK SHIRLEY: I’m doing April 4th.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: April 4th.
Following Your Instincts and God’s Calling
NICK SHIRLEY: Yeah. Good for you. So it’s crazy. So I’m super happy, and it’s been amazing to see how God’s been able to use me from what I was able to learn from high school, from doing YouTube, from just doing my mission as well. Just learning about humankind in a different place, learning different languages.
And to have that backing of years and years of trying to do YouTube and having little success, but still having success, but using those five years of learning to propel me to where I’m at in these two years. So anybody watching, the most important thing is to start. Start young, too. If you’re in high school and use your tactics and if you believe in your instincts, go for it.
Because I remember listening to a quote from Kanye West, but pretty much it said, listen to your instincts because that’s what God’s telling you to do. So, like me, it was never an option not to do YouTube and to create videos. Had no idea I was going to create this big of an effect. But God did, right? So follow your instincts. Follow your gut, because your instinct in your gut is God telling you what to do, especially if it’s good.
Final Words of Encouragement
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. I mean, listen again. That story of your background, the values, the principles, the alcohol, the drugs, all that stuff you were talking about, man, that is—they’re going to come after you even more because of that. They’re going to try to dig to find stuff, and you know, you’re going to be fine. You’re going to be fine, and you keep doing what you’re doing.
That courage is what inspires others to say, “I can as well.” There are millions of boys around the country that in this era, they’re kind of like, “Well, he’s kind of weird. He’s a little bit different. Be careful with him.” I was a kid growing up, and a lot of the parents are like, “Well, be careful with them. His parents got a divorce. He’s this, he’s that. You know, we don’t know what he’s going to end up in. Why is he doing this? Why is he doing…”
And obviously later on, I went to the military, so I understand what you’re saying with the experiences, but, my gosh, at 23 years old, I wasn’t doing what you’re doing at 23. You’re just getting warmed up.
So, folks, if you’re watching this, if you want him to do more stuff like this, we have to support him. And that support comes in different ways. Like he said earlier, subscribe, retweet, like, follow, buy the merch. You know, give to the account that he has where you can go give to him, or if you have anything else that you’re messaging him on, send him a message. Also on Manek, whether it’s to thank him or anything else that you know that you want to share with them.
Having said that, Nick, your class act.
NICK SHIRLEY: Thank you.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Appreciate you for coming down. Got a lot of work ethic and your courage. Yes. God bless everybody. Happy New Year. Be safe tonight. Happy New Year. And don’t run an illegal fraud daycare, because he may come knocking on the door tonight.
NICK SHIRLEY: Just don’t be.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: He will be coming. God bless everybody. Happy New Year.
NICK SHIRLEY: Take care.
PATRICK BET-DAVID: Bye, bye. Bye, bye.
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