Basement #006: w/ Scott Wolter on The Kensington Runestone, Templar Treasure, and the Green Jar (Transcript)

Editor’s Notes: In this deep-dive interview on The Why Files: Operation Podcast: Basement #006, forensic geologist and investigator Scott Wolter shares his transition from solving criminal cases to researching America’s most controversial historical anomalies. Wolter explains how his geological findings on the Kensington Runestone opened a path toward uncovering secrets of the Knights Templar and suppressed artifacts in North America. The discussion highlights the revelations in his latest book, The Greatest Templar Tale Never Told, while exploring the mysterious significance of an enigmatic “green jar.” This episode offers a thought-provoking look at history and religion, challenging established narratives through a unique scientific lens. (March 9, 2026)

TRANSCRIPT:

Introduction

AJ GENTILE: Okay, I’m excited about this one. We’re going deep with Scott Wolter, forensic geologist, TV host, and one of the most controversial researchers in America. Scott made his name by solving murders with rocks, using geological evidence to date concrete and crack cold cases. But then he applied those same scientific methods to the Kensington Runestone, and everything changed.

His research led him down a path that started with medieval runes, moved through Knight’s Templar treasures hidden in North America, and ended up somewhere nobody expected. In a Little Green Jar. Scott’s newest book just dropped — The Greatest Templar Tale Never Told. And the story he tells me today about the Green Jar, it’s going to challenge everything you think you know about history, religion, and who we really are.

This conversation gets heavy, and I mean really heavy. Some people are going to be offended. But that’s not Scott’s intention. I think we should hear him out. Let’s go down to the basement.

Scott, welcome to the basement. Before we get to the fun stuff, can you tell us how your TV — because we all know you’re from TV — how your TV journey started right here in Las Vegas with a murder case.

Scott Wolter’s Background in Forensic Geology

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, yeah. You’ve done your homework. Good for you. Well, I do material forensics for a living. I’ve run a materials forensic laboratory. I’ve been doing the work since 1985, but I started my own lab in 1990, and in 2004 — essentially, what we do is, for the most part, autopsies on concrete and rock. And we try to solve problems, mostly in the concrete industry. Why did it crack? Why did it have low strength? What happens if it’s exposed to fire damage, or what happens if —

AJ GENTILE: A plane hits it?

SCOTT WOLTER: If a plane hits it, like at 9/11. That is true. We did that as well. But one time I received a call from a guy by the name of Lieutenant Tom Monahan, and he called from the Las Vegas Homicide Department. He said — I said, “Why are you calling me?” He said, “Well, we have a murder victim that was found buried in a shallow grave in the desert outside of Las Vegas,” which I found out is not a rare thing.

AJ GENTILE: Nope.

The Las Vegas Murder Case

SCOTT WOLTER: But what was unusual about this case was this person was totally encased in concrete. And of course, the first question I asked is, “How was this person found? How did that happen?” And he said that a man was out jogging with his dog, and he stepped on what turned out to be the thinnest part of the concrete, which was between the pubic region and the belly button of this deceased female, and it collapsed. And the dog immediately went into the hole. And this guy starts reaching in the hole and was pulling out bones.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, my God. And apparently this wasn’t in a drum or something.

SCOTT WOLTER: No, it was in the ground. He didn’t know what it was, right? And it collapsed under the weight of his foot. And if he had stepped anywhere else, it wouldn’t have collapsed. It was that spot. So maybe it was meant to be.

But anyway, so once he started pulling out what he thought were human bones, he called 911. So I said, “Well, that’s crazy. But what do you want from me?” And he said, “Well, we really don’t have anywhere else to go. But we had heard about your work on the Runestone and relative age dating. Can you do the same thing with concrete?” And I said, “Well, we’ve never done anything like that before.”

The reason they wanted that — to try to establish the age of the concrete — was to establish a time of death, and then they could go back and look at the missing case files. To nail it down would have been helpful. So the timing was what they were looking for.

And I said, “Look, I’ve never done anything like this before, but I have a couple of ideas. If you’re willing to try, I’m willing to try.” And he said, “We have nowhere else to go.” And I said, “When do you want me to come out?” He said, “As soon as possible.” So I got a flight the next day and flew out here.

I remember Detective Rob Wilson picked me up at the airport. It was a beautiful sunny day like it always is in Vegas, right? And he drove me to the coroner’s lab, which was cold and kind of dark. And I remember when I walked in the building the first time, there were five gurneys lined up with dead bodies on them, naked, and with various trauma. And I remember walking by, looking at them, and I thought to myself, “We’re not in Minnesota anymore.”

AJ GENTILE: “I’m a rock guy. What am I doing here?”

SCOTT WOLTER: What am I doing here? Anyway, so then they pulled out another one of these gurneys with a big, large, oversized yellow body bag. And they unzipped it, and there was the concrete, and it was in two pieces.

What the perpetrator had done is dug a shallow trench, kind of a long trench, almost canoe-shaped, and laid down a layer of concrete. And I was able to determine that was in three lifts.

AJ GENTILE: This sounds like a nice Italian job. Do it the right way.

SCOTT WOLTER: Do it the right way. Yeah. Anyway, they laid a layer of concrete down, and then the next load, if you will, of concrete was placed over the front part of the body. And then the last part — no, the first part, the second part was over the legs. The last part was over the head and body, because that was the lowest water content — it was real thick and rubbly. It didn’t flow as much. And that’s because he was probably running out of water, is what we thought.

AJ GENTILE: Wow. Did you give them some leads on that?

Analyzing the Concrete Evidence

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, oh, yeah. We talked about all this. And it was strange because as I was doing my examination, the coroner was right there, and I’m asking him questions and he’s asking me questions. Monahan and Wilson are looking at us, and I kind of got into the zone a little bit. And it was weird because everything is in reverse. Like, a breast is positive, but in the mold it was negative.

AJ GENTILE: Everything’s like a relief now.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. So it’s the opposite. Everything’s opposite. So it was a little confusing. But eventually I got sort of accustomed to what I was looking at, and I could see where the trauma had been, and it was pretty tough. So anyway, and then in a paper grocery bag were her bones. Because they had the bones, right. And they were all in a bag. They didn’t know who this person was. It just seemed really weird.

AJ GENTILE: It’s sad.

SCOTT WOLTER: It was sad. Yeah, it was really sad.

AJ GENTILE: They never could I.D. her?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, so I said, “Here’s what I propose. We’ll take a sample here, we’ll take a sample there, and I’ll go back to the lab.” So there were two things that I was thinking about.

One is, when you place concrete, it sets up and it gets hard. And what it is is a heat-generating chemical reaction. It’s a lot like popcorn. The cement grains will react and form glues that make the concrete get hard. And when it first sets up and the heat starts, it’s poppity powder — it’s setting up and it’s getting hard fast. But over time, what happens is just like microwave popcorn — it’s poppity pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

AJ GENTILE: Right, pop.

SCOTT WOLTER: Over years and decades. Yes.

AJ GENTILE: So it continues to cure, or whatever that is.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, yes, it does, but it’s so slow it’s imperceptible unless you’re looking at it under a microscope and under polarized light, and you can see the percentage of unhydrated particles. So it’s very important. When I do an analysis and I’m trying to determine the water-cement ratio of that concrete, I’m looking at the unhydrated particles that are left. That’s why I have to know when that concrete was placed, to put it in context. Does that make sense?

AJ GENTILE: It does.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s a clock. The other thing that happens is we have a chemical reaction called carbonation, where carbon dioxide will react with lime and calcium hydroxide in the concrete to form calcium carbonate. And what’s kind of ironic about that is when we make Portland cement, you take limestone and silica and gypsum and some other stuff — but mostly limestone — and you fire it and you drive off the carbon dioxide and you end up with lime. And then you add water to it and it gets hard. But when it carbonates, it takes back the carbon dioxide and forms limestone — calcium carbonate.

That reaction is called carbonation, and it’s progressive over time. It’s dependent upon the water-cement ratio or the density of the concrete, the amount of CO2 gas or methane that it’s exposed to, and time. So the depth of carbonation was the other clock that I was thinking I might be able to use. Never done anything like this before.

So I went back, did the testing, and I wrote a report. And I said, “I think she’s been there between one and three years.” And I remember I sent my report — I emailed it to Tom — and I thought, “Well, I’ll never hear anything.” And about four months later, I got a call, and it was Tom. And he said, “Scott, are you on your computer?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “Go to missingkids.com.” And within a minute, I was looking at her face.

Identifying the Victim

AJ GENTILE: Oh, my God.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I’m getting emotional just thinking about it again, because my daughter was pretty close to her age. She was 17. And I said, “How’d you do it?” He said, “Well, do you remember when we showed you the molds that we made of the different parts of the body?” And I said, “Yes, I do.” And he said, “You remember the mold of the face?” And I said, “Yes, I do.” He said, “We had an artist do a reconstruction of her face. We got one call — a woman who lived in Vegas who said, ‘I think I know who your Jane Doe is.’ She gave her the name. They pulled the dental records. They had the upper and lower jaw, and it was a match.”

AJ GENTILE: Wow.

The Kensington Runestone and Getting on TV

SCOTT WOLTER: Now, I need to back up. Before he called me back, after he got my report, about two, three weeks after that, he called me and said, “Hey, Scott, Detective Rob Wilson and I are coming to Minneapolis. We would like. I’d like to come see your lab.”

And I’d already gotten to know him pretty well, and he was from the east and played in the men’s hockey league. And so did I at the time. And I said, “Hey, man, you want to go to a Wild game?” And he said, “Yeah, I do.” So we got tickets. He came and toured the lab. And then we went to Allery’s Bar in St. Paul before the hockey game.

And we’re having a couple of beers, and he was one of those guys that had just this intense look. He had a black mustache, and he just looked right through you. And we’re sitting there having a beer, and I asked him why he was in town, and he said, “Well, we thought we’d come and see your lab, but the real reason we’re here is we were going to take dental impressions of a guy who’s dying of cancer who we believe committed a murder.”

And I said, “Dental impressions? Are you talking about bite marks on a victim?” And he said, “Yes.” So he went in there to this guy who was dying of cancer, and he said, “You’re going to give us these dental impressions or we’re going to put you in jail and you’re going to die in a cold cell. If you give us the impressions, we’ll let you die at home.” And they got him. And that’s a whole other story. That’s a great story.

But anyway, so we talked about that when we’re sitting in the bar, and then he looks at me with that look, and he goes, “So, what do you really think?” And I knew what he was asking me. I had written one to three years in my report. And I looked at him and I said, “Well, Rob or Tom, I said, I think she’s been there between one and a half and two years. But I put one to three years because I thought that’s what I could testify to and back up, right? But I’m telling you.” And he looked at me and goes, “Me too.”

Finished our beers, went to the game, the Wild won. He took off, and that’s when I thought I would never hear from him again. Then I got the call, and he said, “We got the one call, and we pulled the dental records, and it was a match.” And he said, “I thought you’d want to know. She was reported missing a year and 10 months from when we found her.”

AJ GENTILE: Wow. Nailed it.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I remember thinking to myself, “Well, I’ll be damned. This s* actually works.” That was. Okay, that’s a long story, but I haven’t told that one for a long time.

AJ GENTILE: That’s a good story. But how do you end up on TV from that?

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay, well, I’ll get to that. But I just want to say one more thing about that. I’m waiting for one more call.

AJ GENTILE: The perpetrator.

SCOTT WOLTER: Because the last thing he said to me was, “If we go to trial someday, will you testify?” Like, you’re not afraid about some guy? I said, “F* him. Hell, yes.” So I’m waiting for one more call.

AJ GENTILE: Okay, I hope you get that call.

SCOTT WOLTER: Hasn’t happened yet. It’s been a long time. And I know some more things that I can’t talk about about the case.

AJ GENTILE: Well, don’t do that.

SCOTT WOLTER: Don’t do that. That’s a. That’s Mick Jagger. Oh, don’t do that.

From the Lab to the Screen

AJ GENTILE: Okay. So you solve a murder, and you end up on the number one show on the network.

SCOTT WOLTER: So what happened was a woman by the name of Maria Oz, whose husband is Andy Oz. They were in the process at the time of founding a production company called Committee Films that ended up doing America Unearthed. She was working for a local television station, WCCO TV, as an investigative reporter. She caught wind of the case and of the work that we did, and she wanted to interview me.

So she comes into my lab, into my office. She sits down. I had just gotten back from my third or fourth trip to Sweden investigating the runes and everything on the Kensington Runestone. And I had been given a poster for a conference that we had attended, and we had a debate at this conference. And I had just put it up on my wall.

AJ GENTILE: The stone, like the image of the—

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, it’s Olaf Ohman, that iconic picture of him standing there with the stone, right? And that’s the poster, and it was in Swedish. And so she comes walking in. She goes, “Oh, have you done some work on the Kensington Runestone?” I said, “Sit down, girl.” And I told her that story, and I told her about the murder case.

And that weekend, WCCO aired both stories. The murder case on Friday, and then Saturday, they used to do this thing called a Dimension Story, which was like a five-minute-long extended piece. And they did the Runestone on Saturday.

Well, she went home and told her husband, and Andy’s like, “Oh, my God, this is a great story. Maybe we could do something.” So he calls me and I said, “Dude, I’m giving a lecture at the Chanhassen Library this Saturday. Come on and hear the story. I’m talking about the Runestone.” And so he came to the library. I gave the lecture. He says, “Can I buy you lunch?” I said, “Sure, let’s go eat.” And we went over there. He goes, “This would make a great documentary.” I said, “Let’s go.”

And so he said, “We’ll raise $150,000.” I’m like, “Oh, how are we going to do that?” So I begged and borrowed from friends, and I told them, “Hey, we want to do this film.” And a lot of people knew about the Runestone and the work we were doing and where we were going with it, and they wanted to support it. And I said, “Look, don’t put your rent money here. We’ll probably lose it all. But if you really feel strongly about this and you want to contribute.” And we raised the money. But you know who wrote the biggest check? Janet and I.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: I wasn’t going to let anybody put in more money than us.

AJ GENTILE: And so you’re producers on your show.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, yeah.

AJ GENTILE: And how did you end up selling it to History?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, here’s what happened. So Andy and I, he says, “Well, okay, where do we go?” Well, we got to go to Sweden. We got to go to Scotland, we got to go to France. We got to go to all these places because it’s going down the Templar road, right? And this is early in the Templar road.

So the four of us went. It was Andy, Ben Krueger, who was our A-cam. I’m drawing a blank now. But anyway, the four of us went there, and when I wasn’t in front of the camera, I was hauling and holding the boom. We were interviewing. That’s where I met Alan Butler.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, at Rievaulx Abbey, one of the most gorgeous abbeys in all of England. It’s just amazing. And he could not have been a nicer guy. I was, like, intimidated to meet him because I had read all of his books. The Goddess, the Grail and the Lodge, Virgin and the Pinnacle, and all he had. And the way he writes, you start reading and all of a sudden it’s done. It’s like, I want more.

So when I met him, I was a little intimidated. And he was just — we’re pals like that. He’s just so wonderful. And as you know, he and Janet, we became really good friends and stayed in touch, of course. And then he and Janet wrote together, and we’re planning to go see him this summer. And he’s been struggling a little with his health. He’ll admit it, he was a chain smoker back in the day. But he’s wonderful.

So anyway, we filmed and that became Holy Grail in America. And what they did was Andy and Maria went to Real Screen, which happens, I think, in January. It’s the big gathering where all the production companies pitch their shows and the networks buy their shows. And they had a screening of ours.

And I remember there was a five-minute pitch reel, and they rented a studio with the marquee, and everybody that was involved — it was a really fun party. And Janet and I are like, “Oh, this is crazy.” And to see Holy Grail on a marquee was really cool.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, of course.

SCOTT WOLTER: It was great. So anyway, they aired the trailer at Real Screen and six networks wanted it.

AJ GENTILE: Wow.

SCOTT WOLTER: And History paid the most.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s how they got it. So that aired and it did really well. Really well.

AJ GENTILE: Why do you think that is? Why was it a hit show? Why did it resonate with people? It resonated with me and my family.

SCOTT WOLTER: Really?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

Why the Show Resonated

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, you know, the thing about it was — and I don’t want to toot my own horn — but we did some really good research. And like I said, I trust rocks. I don’t trust some people. I really don’t. And rocks don’t care. They don’t give a s*. They just are. And the rock told me it was old.

AJ GENTILE: The stone. The Runestone.

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m talking about the Runestone. And I knew it was real. And therefore, if it’s real and that date is correct — which I know is correct because it’s double-dated using a code — somebody carved it.

AJ GENTILE: Can you give us a quick three sentences of what the stone is?

SCOTT WOLTER: Oh, okay. Got to figure the whole world knows what’s going on here — I assume that all the time.

What Is the Kensington Runestone?

Well, the Kensington Runestone is an artifact that was found by a Swedish immigrant farmer by the name of Olaf Ohman, who was clearing trees in preparation for farming on his 100-acre property about two hours northwest of Minneapolis, Minnesota, near Alexandria, Minnesota, in a town just outside of a town called Kensington. And this was in the fall of 1898.

He was clearing trees in preparation for farming and he tipped over this 25 to 30-year-old aspen tree with his two oldest sons that were present at the time. And this rock was pulled out of the ground in the roots of the tree. It was the younger son, Edward, who first noticed that there was something carved on it. And eventually the inscription was realized to be carved in Old Swedish.

But we now know, looking back, that this is an amazingly complex inscription that was carved by a deeply initiated Cistercian monk. I think we might even know what his name is.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: But in any case, it’s filled with symbolism, allegory, and code. And I think I figured out what the codes are because when I became initiated as a Templar, going through the Cryptic Council degrees, I suddenly realized — and that’s a great story too — the story that is encoded within it is part of the Book of Enoch, part of the Enochian Mysteries.

AJ GENTILE: I have never heard that before.

SCOTT WOLTER: No, you’ve never heard that because it’s being suppressed.

AJ GENTILE: Right?

SCOTT WOLTER: I mean, Janet and I had a conversation this morning — I’m just going to tail off for a second — and all this craziness that’s happening with these cults and the trafficking and the whole world is coming down. They’ve been suppressing this too.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah. The Book of Enoch is not considered part of the Bible. But as it’s been discovered, it probably was part of the Bible at some point.

SCOTT WOLTER: It was, it definitely was. And it’s in this stuff.

AJ GENTILE: Before we get to that, how did you come to study the stone?

The Kensington Runestone Investigation Begins

SCOTT WOLTER: So the roots don’t. So for 100 and whatever years, until July of 2000, it was considered a hoax because the scholars that looked at the inscription were simply unable to figure out what it was because of what we just talked about. It’s way more complex and their

AJ GENTILE: arguments are the language is anachronistic and that sort of thing.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s all okay, the language, the runes. When I went to Sweden five times, that’s what I found. I found everything. But anyway, so the Runestone’s been considered a hoax. In July of 2000, I was approached by representatives for the Runestone Museum who said, “We would like to ask you to perform.” And they had met with my professors. They went to the University of Minnesota Duluth, where I went. Went to college on a football scholarship. And I met a wonderful professor who inspired me to go into geology. I was very fortunate to meet Charlie Match. Anyway, they went up and saw my professors, and they said, “Go see Scott Wolter.” That’s how I got the job.

Anyway, so they came in and this guy starts talking to me about the Kensington Runestone. And I said, “What’s that?” I never heard of it.

AJ GENTILE: Right?

SCOTT WOLTER: And later on, I talked to other people, and everybody around me knew what it was. And I’m like, I must have missed school that day or something. I didn’t know what they were talking about. So anyway, I remember that. And the guy clearly was an advocate for authenticity. And I gave him the standard speech and I said, “Look, I’ll be happy to do this work for you, but you need to understand, when I get done, I may give you news you’re not going to like. And you’re still going to pay me, right?” Okay. That’s the beautiful thing about my job. I get paid either way. It doesn’t matter what the results are. But those are the ground rules. And he said, “Okay.” So off we went.

AJ GENTILE: So he didn’t hire you to study language. He hired you to study the stone. How do you date it? What did you want to do?

Dating the Stone: The Geological Approach

SCOTT WOLTER: Great question. And look, I just made it up. I completely made up what I thought was a way that I could do that. And when I did the short, somebody asked a really good question that led to exactly what you just asked me. And so, first and foremost, it starts with the geology. For example, if you have a piece of quartz or quartzite, I can’t do anything with that because it doesn’t weather.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: Second thing, I need to know the context. Where has this artifact been? For example, in the case of the Runestone, it’s been buried in the ground since it was put in the ground, presumably in 1362 as a land claim, and it was recovered in 1898. So we’re talking about 600 or so years of weathering.

AJ GENTILE: Right. Is that stone indigenous to the area, or did they bring that stone in?

SCOTT WOLTER: Another great question. Yes, we have sourced that rock.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s part of the Thompson Formation. If you go up just south of Duluth, there is a formation called the Thompson. I mapped those rocks when I was in college. So I knew the rock right away once I got a thin section. And so the first thing you have to do is identify the rock type. And as we said, quartzite, you can’t do anything. But this rock type is something called a — and there will be a quiz, so pay attention.

AJ GENTILE: Okay, go for it.

SCOTT WOLTER: Paleo Proterozoic meta gray wacky.

AJ GENTILE: Okay, I can’t do it. I can’t do it.

SCOTT WOLTER: Thompson Formation. Okay. I knew right away. And it has about — well, the Runestone has 17 different minerals in it. And in fact, what was really fun is I was able to pull one of my professors out of retirement, Dr. Richard Ojukangas, to come help me and do his own. I said, “Hey, Dick, will you do a point count? I’ll do mine. We’ll compare notes.” And he’s one of the premier sedimentologists in the world. I would argue the best sedimentologist. And he just died — late last year, a couple months ago. I just got that news. It was very sad. He was wonderful. 93. Anyway, so Dick did it. And later on, you know what he said to me?

AJ GENTILE: What?

SCOTT WOLTER: He said, “You know, Scott, when I agreed to work with you on the Runestone, people warned me that I shouldn’t help you.” And I said, “Why?” And he said, “Because they said it’ll ruin your reputation working on that fake, the Runestone.”

AJ GENTILE: Wow.

SCOTT WOLTER: And he said, “I’ll help Scott anyway.”

AJ GENTILE: At that point, what do you care whether it’s fake or not? You just want to know what the rock tells you.

Weathering Analysis and the Conclusion

SCOTT WOLTER: You tell me. I mean, look, “It’ll ruin your reputation.” What are you talking about? I mean, we’re asked to do a job, and we’re doing hard geological work. But this is what you get. This is the nature of this business. Remember, I didn’t know anything. So anyway, I did my work. And what I did was I ended up comparing the weathering of the tombstones with the weathering of the inscription. Took a core sample out of the back, and we made thin sections, put them under a scanning electron microscope and a polarized light microscope, and identified the mineralogy. We did point counts — what percentage of that mineral do we have? And there were 17 different minerals.

And I remember, I compared my work with Dick’s, and we got pretty much the same thing. So I thanked him because he taught me how to do it. But anyway, so I identified one of the faster weathering minerals, which was mica biotite in this case, because it has an iron phase, so it weathers the fastest. And I used slate tombstones from out in Maine that were old enough, dating back to the Revolutionary War, so that the dates were right there. So what I did was I just measured how long it took before the minerals started to come off the surface of the tombstone. That happened at about 200 years. On the Runestone, they’re gone.

AJ GENTILE: They’re all gone.

SCOTT WOLTER: So my conclusion is the weathering is older than 200 years, and that’s from 1898, because it hasn’t been in a weathering environment since — it’s been indoors, in the shed, or in a museum. So you push it back 200 years from 1898. There was nobody in Minnesota then except the indigenous people and maybe a monk that was traveling, like Hennepin or somebody.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: So I said, it’s genuine. And I wrote my report and I sent it off and I said, “Well, that was fun. Good for them. They got one.” And I was done.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, no, no, no.

The Pushback and the Fight for Credibility

SCOTT WOLTER: Then the pushback came. Oh, my God. It was nasty and personal. I had academics that I had met — well, I would eventually meet.

AJ GENTILE: Now you understand why you were warned?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, yeah. And so most of the people — and I don’t want to disparage these disciplines, but I do want to make a point. It’s very important. I’ll use the word “soft science.” I’m talking about

AJ GENTILE: They’re not going to like this.

SCOTT WOLTER: History.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Language, archeology, runes, runology. These are humanities disciplines. Wonderful disciplines. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with

AJ GENTILE: them, but they’re up for interpretation.

SCOTT WOLTER: They’re up for interpretation.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: These people were attacking me, telling me I did not understand scientific method. Excuse me. I run a freaking laboratory. I do forensic investigations all day, every day for 41 years now.

AJ GENTILE: Right. You’re not a TV guy doing science. You’re a scientist.

SCOTT WOLTER: You know why I even did the goddamn TV?

AJ GENTILE: Why?

SCOTT WOLTER: Because this is important.

AJ GENTILE: Really?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: I make a good living running my lab. And I love it. I get to work on murder cases. I worked on the Pentagon. That’s what people are going to talk about at my funeral — not the Runestone and all this stuff. They’re going to talk about that. And I’ve done some pretty cool things. But when this came and I got this pushback and people attacking me personally, I got pissed. And I told you I went to college on a football scholarship. I was a linebacker and I won a couple championships. I don’t f* around.

AJ GENTILE: You’re not doing it.

SCOTT WOLTER: We’ll go. I couldn’t frame them up and put them on the ground.

AJ GENTILE: I know. Do it differently now. They’re behind their keyboards.

SCOTT WOLTER: Exactly. The tough guys. But obviously — I’m joking, but I’m not joking.

AJ GENTILE: I know who you mean. And anyway, no fan of mine.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yep, we know who we’re talking about. But anyway, it wasn’t — I mean, it was academics, and they were attacking my process. So anyway, long story short, I just said, “I’m sick of this. I trust the rock. Rock said so. Therefore somebody carved it. They came from someplace. They came here for some reason. There has to be an explanation for that.”

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: Has to be. And all the stuff they said didn’t exist, has to exist. So the only place — the language is old Swedish.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

The Trail Leads to Gotland and the Templars

SCOTT WOLTER: “Eight Goths and 22 Northmen.” I went to Gotland, the island of Gotland, which is in the middle of the Baltic Sea, which was part of Sweden back then and part of Sweden today. It’s where everybody in the countries that surround that region go for their summer vacations. It’s beautiful. And where I found the evidence — the language, the runes, the dialect, the grammar — the dating was on grave slabs that had been mortared into the floors inside 92 churches on that island.

And while I was there, I kept seeing these crazy crosses — equilateral red crosses carved on the walls, mortared into the floors, carved on these grave slabs. And I’m like, “What the hell is that?”

AJ GENTILE: So it’s important.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, these things were all Cistercian.

AJ GENTILE: And for those who don’t know, Cistercians

SCOTT WOLTER: are the White Monks. The White Monks, founded in 1095. But Robert of Molesme was taken to meteoric success once St. Bernard de Clairvaux joined the order in 1113. By the time he died in 1153, there were 300 Cistercian abbeys all across Europe — in Scandinavia, the British Isles, and the Holy Land. And by the time the Templars were put down a little over 200 years later, in 1307, there were 750 abbeys and about 12,000 Templar Knights who were also Cistercian.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: And it was Bernard de Clairvaux who wrote the charter for the Knights Templar that was officially signed by the Pope at the Council of Troyes on January 13 — that number is not a coincidence — 1129, at the Council of Troyes in Troyes, France. So I learned all that, and when I want to learn something, I’ll do it.

AJ GENTILE: You get your teeth in.

SCOTT WOLTER: I just put my pads on and I go.

AJ GENTILE: So what was that mark?

SCOTT WOLTER: That mark was a Templar cross.

AJ GENTILE: It was the Templar cross that you found.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I found everything. And so then I started going down the Templar road, or the Cistercian-Templar road. And then — oh, they disappeared in 1307. This is 1362. This is just a few decades later. Well, I’m not the brightest guy in the world, but I can figure that one out. So maybe there’s a connection.

AJ GENTILE: You weren’t interested in Templar lore before?

SCOTT WOLTER: No, I didn’t know what a Templar was.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: I had no idea. Look, I spent my adult life starting my lab, raising kids, playing touch football, skating, playing basketball, softball. I was a jock.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: And drinking beer.

AJ GENTILE: Okay, and you’re not studying Dan Brown novels looking for a connection?

A Father’s Legacy and the Road to Writing

SCOTT WOLTER: No, no, no. And in fact, collecting agates. I’m a big Lake Superior agate collector, and that’s where I wrote my first book.

AJ GENTILE: I meant to ask you, what’s so fascinating about agates? What is that? We’ll get back to the…

SCOTT WOLTER: We’ll get back to that. But I’ll tell you a funny story. Right before we came here, we went into a shop at the hotel where we’re staying, and they had some rocks, you know, amethyst cathedrals and all this stuff. And of course, I had to go in there, and it turns out this woman was originally from Israel. She’s an older woman, very elegant. And nobody was in there. Just the two of us, Janet and I. And we started talking about rocks, and then we started talking about agates. And I pulled out my phone. I showed her. She goes, “Oh, my God. That’s the most beautiful. You find those in Minnesota?” I said, “Yeah, we go in gravel pits. We go in rivers and lakes. It’s our state gemstone.” And she was just amazed. And then we got into the golden ratio and all this, and she ended up hugging both of us when we left. It was amazing.

So, just to segue out for a second, I want to tell you a quick personal story. My dad was a pilot for Northwest Airlines. And when I graduated from college in geology, I was no longer a dependent. I used to get passes, and I could fly all over the place. And I did. I took full advantage. I went down, spring break every year. But I remember dad said to me, “You’re graduating. Your passes are running out. You got one more trip. Make it a good one.”

So I was also a scuba diver. And I said, “Dad, I want to go dive on the Great Barrier Reef, and I want to go with you.” I could have gone with my brother. I could have got my best friend. His dad was a pilot. I wanted to go with my dad. My dad was cool.

AJ GENTILE: He sounds cool.

SCOTT WOLTER: He was awesome.

AJ GENTILE: Did he take that trip with you?

SCOTT WOLTER: He did.

AJ GENTILE: And he drowned on that trip. I didn’t know that. I didn’t know the story.

A Devastating Loss and a Hidden Truth

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, it was the worst thing that ever will happen to me. Of course, I was with him. I’m not going to tell you the story right now because I can tell the story. I don’t cry anymore. Well, I still do. It was bad. And I found out later that it wasn’t an accident.

AJ GENTILE: What?

SCOTT WOLTER: You ever seen the movie American Made?

AJ GENTILE: Of course. Yeah. Barry Seal. Are you saying your dad was involved with the agency?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yep.

AJ GENTILE: We got to talk about this. I don’t think we’ve talked about this very often.

SCOTT WOLTER: I don’t.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: So he was taken out. He was flying jets down to Central America, and he knew too much. So after we came back, about three weeks after we got back, I got a call from the chief pilot at Northwest, Don Naira. His son played for the North Stars. He was a hockey player. And he said, “Scott, I’d like to talk to you.” I said, “Okay.” So I go in, and he said, “If you tell anybody what I told you, I’ll deny it.” I said, “I get it.” And he said, “Your dad was in the CIA.” I said, “Oh, okay.” And he told me what he was doing. He didn’t say that he was taken out, but I figured it out on my own. And there’s other details I could tell you. Maybe when we’re alone, we can talk.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Anyway, I was wrecked. And it blew our family apart. I have a brother and a sister, and my mom. My brother and my mom died two years ago, same year, within a couple months of each other. Once my mom died, I knew my brother wasn’t far behind. That’s another story. But anyway.

AJ GENTILE: Did they know your dad was working for the agency?

SCOTT WOLTER: My mom did. She finally came around late in life. A month and a half before she died, I took her out to dinner and went back to her apartment. We’re sitting in the car and I was just about to open the door and help her out, and she turned, she looked at me, she said, “I forgive you.”

AJ GENTILE: What’s to forgive?

SCOTT WOLTER: For what happened to dad. She never married again. She blamed me for it.

AJ GENTILE: I’m sorry to hear that.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, it was tough. But I’m telling you this for a reason.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

Finding Healing Through Geology and Writing

SCOTT WOLTER: So I was in a really tough place, and I had just gotten a job from Charlie, my professor, who got me a job with Mapco Minerals as a field geologist. And I loved it. I was on a two-month gig in northern Minnesota, going in the woods and mapping and taking samples, sending them for testing. And then it turned out that was a test to see if I could handle it. And I obviously did, and I got the full-time job.

They said your next project is starting in January in Nevada. So I was all set to go do that, and then I took the trip and dad died, and I had to stay home. So that was a huge correction. But I got hired by Twin City Testing. I learned petrography, and then I went. And here I am now. But that was a really defining moment.

What happened during that time, right after dad died, is I was struggling with a lot of grief. And so when I got upset, I would just jump on my motorcycle and drive to the gravel pits and just walk.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Pick agates. And I met the other collectors and I got to know the industry really fast. And I met a World War II hero, George Flame, and we ended up becoming close friends. He became another mentor to me. And he was the king of agate. He flagged me early on. And I remember one day I was up there and we’re talking about agates and formations. And I said, “Well, George, what do you think about this?” And he goes, “Kid, you got the geological knowledge, you got the agate picking experience. Write the book.” And I went, “George, I’ll do it.” And he lived in Duluth, which is two and a half hours from where I lived in the cities.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: So on the way home, I wrote the outline on the steering wheel.

AJ GENTILE: This is your first book?

SCOTT WOLTER: My first book on Lake Superior agates, and it did really well. And I’ll tell you why it did well. It wasn’t the formation. It wasn’t the types. It wasn’t all the microscopic features and all the stuff that you have to talk about. I peppered in between each chapter stories about George and Chauncey Wheeler and praying to the Lord of the Pits, all these crazy stories, the stuff that I thought was so cool. And I got hundreds of letters, and nobody asked me about formation. Nobody asked me about the different types. They said, “Tell me about Chauncey Wheeler,” who every time he found an agate, would stop, sit down, pray to the Lord of the Pits.

AJ GENTILE: Well, that’s full circle to America Unearthed, because that’s why you stood out. You told the story in the episode. And we didn’t really care about the stone. It’s cool to have evidence that it’s real, but you want to know the story.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. Well, that’s what I do. And so I’ve written a couple more books on agates since then, and I wrote one when I turned 40. I called it like the halftime of my life. Using football metaphors, of course. And it’s called One the Lakes Pier. Right. One Man’s Journey. And I talk about dad and the whole journey. But when I published that book in 1986, which was three years after dad died, I was back.

AJ GENTILE: You were back.

SCOTT WOLTER: I was back emotionally, and I was myself again. And I thank George for that, and I thank my professors for that, and I thank Janet for that. And my kids, they came after that. But yeah, that’s what got me into writing.

AJ GENTILE: Well, let’s take a quick break, and when we come back, we can get into the stone and Templars and the journey.

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay.

Decoding the Kensington Runestone Inscription

AJ GENTILE: All right, we’re back. What does it say on the Kensington Runestone?

SCOTT WOLTER: We’ve talked all about it. We haven’t said what is it. Well, what’s interesting is it starts with a number, something called a pentatic number. And A.J., I could teach you pentatic numbers in 10 seconds. Okay, you ready?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Make a vertical line.

AJ GENTILE: Vertical line.

SCOTT WOLTER: 1, 2, 3, 4. Half loop is 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Full loop is 10. Put them in Arabic placement. You can make any number you want. So the number eight is the first thing on the runestone. Half loop is 5, 6, 7, 8. Eight Goths and 22 Northmen Norwegians on this acquisition business, slash taking up land from Vinland, far to the west. We had a camp near two shelters one day’s journey north from this stone. We were fishing one day after we came home, found 10 men, red from blood and death. And then three Latin letters, A, V, M. Then the last line says, “Save from evils,” on the split side of the stone. And it’s split. We call it the split side because the carver intentionally broke it down to exactly a 2 to 1 ratio.

AJ GENTILE: Interesting.

SCOTT WOLTER: Which is the key to sacred geometry.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: And the other thing that’s really interesting is that the diagonal distance across that stone is exactly 2.722 feet, or one megalithic yard. Coincidence?

AJ GENTILE: Probably not. I’ve covered the megalithic yard. It’s amazing. It’s everywhere.

SCOTT WOLTER: Oh, it is everywhere. And then on the split side it says there are 10 men by the Inland Sea to look after our ships. 14 days journey from this island. Year 1362. Carved in pentatic numbers in Arabic placement, 1362.

Now, I’m just going to jump into this real quick because we talked a little bit about how the legend of Enoch, the Enochian mysteries, is embedded within the inscription. So is Hebrew mysticism. There are very key things about the numbers. There are codes embedded within the inscription.

One of the codes — and here’s something very interesting. After I did the geological work with the tombstones and I realized that it was real, I said, somebody’s got to document everything on this stone. So I took it upon myself and I generated a photo library of every man-made feature in the inscription. Every rune, word, separator, every number. And I used high angle and low angle reflected light to pull out the three-dimensionality of what was there. And I just started at the beginning and I went through the whole inscription. I took over 650 photos under magnification.

As I did that, I started to find things. Things that I didn’t know what the hell they were. Things that nobody else had ever noticed because nobody ever looked. Right from the get-go, the very first thing in the number eight, the three lines under the half loop at the end of the second bar, there was a dot that was punched at the end. Clearly man-made. And if it was man-made, they did it for a reason. I didn’t know why. So as I was finding these things, I would stick them in a folder. I just labeled it “odd runes.” And it was those things that turned out to be the beginning of solving the mysteries, the codes.

Anyway. So that number, and then on line four in the word “shelters,” all the runologists always put a question mark after it because they don’t know if that’s the right word. That’s not the word. I think the word is Sinclair.

AJ GENTILE: Wow.

SCOTT WOLTER: S-K-L-A-R. Now, one of the old corrupted spellings that I found in documents going back to this time is the word “sklar,” S-C-L-A-R — Sinclair. It’s one of about 14 ways you can spell that name.

The Easter Table Dating Method and Double Dating

AJ GENTILE: And Templar fans know the Sinclair name for sure?

SCOTT WOLTER: Oh, absolutely. But the L has a little cross on it and doesn’t belong there. And they tried to make it a bind rune, but there’s no word that works. A bind rune is where you take one vertical stave and you make two runes off a common stave. It’s called a bind rune or bin rune. There’s no other bind runes in the runestone, so that’s probably not a bind rune. And it doesn’t work as a bind rune. So what is it? Let’s pull that out. And I put that in the odd runes. The last thing on the face side is the word “saved from evils ilu.” And you have this strange rune that looks like a Y with a little cross on the bottom that doesn’t belong there and two dots. I put that in there. Now remember I told you about the dating?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: One of the things that I found when I went to Sweden is some of the grave slabs were double dated, double dated using the medieval Easter table dating method. And to do that you need three things. The runic alphabet is called the futhark. And to make a date you need one of the first seven letters, which is called a Sunday letter. And then the rest of the alphabet. There were 19 runes in the alphabet at that time. There’d be 12 more left. You need a Sunday letter, a golden year, which is any one of the rest of those 12 runes, and a column number. And then you plot them on the Easter table and it gives you a date. So what we did was we pulled out the one number that singled out the eight. The L, which they didn’t know what to do with.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: And the U. And you plot them on the Easter table and guess what you get.

AJ GENTILE: What?

SCOTT WOLTER: You get a date. Guess what that date is.

AJ GENTILE: 1362.

SCOTT WOLTER: Bingo.

AJ GENTILE: Wow.

SCOTT WOLTER: Coincidence.

AJ GENTILE: No, it’s probably not.

A Land Claim and the Templar Connection

SCOTT WOLTER: Probably not. I’ll tell you what I think it is. I think the reason is it’s a land claim. It says it right on it. “Acquisition business, taking up land.” Who was looking to establish a new sanctuary?

AJ GENTILE: The Templars.

SCOTT WOLTER: Were you following?

AJ GENTILE: Now, do we know who those men were and what happened to them? And what “red with blood?”

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes, we do.

AJ GENTILE: We do.

SCOTT WOLTER: We do. It’s an allegory. Now, 1362. Keep in mind, why would they need to double date it? Because let’s say you’re a smart aleck and you want to add one more line to the three in 1362. What have you just done?

AJ GENTILE: You change the date, you’ve added 100 years. That’s right.

SCOTT WOLTER: Can’t do it. Because we protected the date with a simple code using the Easter table dating method from the 14th century. Oli Worm’s Easter table was developed in 1314. Keep in mind, AJ, when I do forensics, when anybody does forensics and you’re trying to solve a problem, all the data has to fit. It must fit.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: If you got a piece of data hanging out there, you’re not there yet.

AJ GENTILE: Right, right, right.

Forensic Investigation and the Evidence Trail

SCOTT WOLTER: So this is what I do when I’m investigating the Runestone. Whether I’m talking about the rock, the runes, the Templars, doesn’t matter. It all has to fit and it fits beautifully. And let me tell you something. I’ve told you this, and I’ll tell you again. I do forensic investigations for a living, and I’m pretty good at it. This was the easiest evidence trail I’ve ever followed. Now, I had no idea where it was going to go, but the evidence was consistent, cohesive and conclusive.

Keep in mind, I’m a licensed professional geologist. I take my work very seriously. I have a lot of fun. Life isn’t worth living unless you have fun. Right? But when it comes time to dial in and stop sh*ing around, I dial in every single job that I do. I have to be prepared to testify in a court of law, under oath, to my findings. I think that’s a higher bar than the academic peer review process.

AJ GENTILE: I agree.

SCOTT WOLTER: Or basically, they sit around and talk about it until they agree.

AJ GENTILE: Until they agree.

SCOTT WOLTER: Until they agree.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, that process has some merit, and I think a lot of good has come from it. But a lot of sh work has come from it, too. Including on the Kensington Runestone.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, they don’t like to be wrong.

SCOTT WOLTER: And they don’t want to trample on their predecessors.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: So I’ve seen a lot of that. And here’s the irony of that. They accuse me of not understanding scientific method. Let’s say you wrote a thesis and got very famous on “coffee’s good for you.”

AJ GENTILE: Right?

SCOTT WOLTER: Right. And then I come along and you’re in your retirement, and I do some work, and I find out that, guess what? Coffee’s not good for you.

AJ GENTILE: I don’t like you very much.

SCOTT WOLTER: You don’t like me very much. But if you are a true scientist, you know what you’re going to say. “You know what, Scott? You developed a whole new set of data that I was not privy to. I had no idea. Nice job.” And you accept those results?

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: And just because I proved you wrong doesn’t mean you were stupid. The fact that you accept the new data means you’re smart.

AJ GENTILE: I agree.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s scientific method. That’s not what’s happened here. And so we’ve seen a failure of academia. But there are larger forces at work here.

Larger Forces at Work: The Domino Effect

AJ GENTILE: Larger than academia suppressing the truth?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes.

AJ GENTILE: Like the government, the religious establishment?

SCOTT WOLTER: All of the above.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Because once you accept the Kensington Runestone, it triggers a series of dominoes to fall. And those dominoes go to some inconvenient places for these institutions that you just rattled off. One of those places is called the Talpiot Tomb.

AJ GENTILE: Talpiot Tomb in Jerusalem. Discovered 1980. That’s the ossuaries.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes, yes, yes.

AJ GENTILE: So these dominoes go back through the time of Christ, probably through ancient Egypt and probably even before then. To Atlantis.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yep.

AJ GENTILE: Is that where the first Templars come from?

SCOTT WOLTER: The tradition goes all the way. I believe that. I know Tim believes that.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: I know a lot of people believe that. And I think more and more people are going to believe that in the future.

AJ GENTILE: One of Tim’s theories, which I think is interesting, is that the Brothers of the East in Constantinople were guardians of the Atlantean knowledge. And then I guess it was Hugh de Payens visited there and they captured Jerusalem.

SCOTT WOLTER: They founded the Templars. Hugh de Payens, by the way, was the uncle of Bernard de Clairvaux.

AJ GENTILE: Amazing coincidence.

SCOTT WOLTER: No, I say that all the time because I’m being facetious. Of course.

AJ GENTILE: All those noble southern France families.

SCOTT WOLTER: The Merovingians, those Burgundian families in southern France.

AJ GENTILE: And Merovingian is probably going to come up later, I would think.

SCOTT WOLTER: Their religion.

AJ GENTILE: No, the people.

SCOTT WOLTER: Oh, the people. Of course.

AJ GENTILE: The bloodline.

SCOTT WOLTER: Absolutely. This is all. Look, one of the things — and we haven’t even gotten into the research that I’ve been doing and the new book and the Green Jar and all that.

AJ GENTILE: The Green Jar, the Green Jar.

SCOTT WOLTER: But if there’s one thing that recurs time and time and time again, it’s these same family names. And they are all connected. They are descendants. And so this is definitely — and I’ve said this, you’ve probably heard me say this on other shows — these people are not just the ideological descendants, but the biological descendants as well from Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Egyptians and beyond. They’re still here. And they’re still here.

Connecting the Dominoes: The Talpiot Tomb

AJ GENTILE: I want to talk about that. Can you connect those dominoes for me from the stone to the Talpiot Tomb? How do we connect that?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, it goes to the Templars. The Templars were in Jerusalem. And the Templars were in the Talpiot Tomb. They left their calling card in the form of those three skulls. There’s also some data. Now, one of the things a lot of people don’t know is that when, in 1980, the archaeologists went in — they were blasting the hillside in preparation for putting the foundations in for an apartment building, and they found this underground tomb. These are not rare in Jerusalem, but we know that the ossuary culture dates back to the first century. It was only used for about 100 years in Jerusalem. And then when the Romans crushed the Jews, that was the end of it.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: So when we find these, we know they date back to the first century. And in this particular tomb — I don’t know if you’ve heard this — but when the archaeologists went in, the entire tomb was flooded with terra rosa soil about 2 feet deep.

AJ GENTILE: I have heard that.

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay. That covered all the ossuaries and all the walls and all the kokims, the tunnels inside the tomb. And I don’t want to segue off into the James Ossuary.

AJ GENTILE: That’s a controversial one.

SCOTT WOLTER: Do you know how they were able to establish that it came from that tomb?

AJ GENTILE: Just to catch people up — the James Ossuary was discovered by a collector, is how it came onto the scene.

SCOTT WOLTER: Let me just frame this first.

AJ GENTILE: Go ahead.

SCOTT WOLTER: In the tomb, there were 10 ossuaries that were cataloged. Only nine made it to the Israeli Antiquities Archives. One went missing.

AJ GENTILE: And that’s James.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s the James.

AJ GENTILE: Okay, so go ahead.

The Ossuaries and the Bloodline of Christ

AJ GENTILE: And these ossuaries are the bloodline of Christ. So John the Baptist —

SCOTT WOLTER: I think it’s important that we rattle off the names.

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay. So one of the ossuaries says “Jesus” — Yeshua. That’s his real name. Can I just say something?

AJ GENTILE: Go for it.

SCOTT WOLTER: I find this incredibly interesting, and I didn’t know this either until I knew it, but probably 90-plus percent of people who call themselves Christians, who believe in the resurrection of Jesus and that he’s their Lord and Savior, don’t even know his real name.

AJ GENTILE: The Jews know his name, the Jews do.

SCOTT WOLTER: But that’s a small percentage compared to people who call themselves Christians. I just find that ironic. But in any case, the name on the ossuary was “Yeshua son of Joseph.” Another ossuary said “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.” One said “Joseph,” “Matthew,” “Maria,” “Judah, son of Jesus.”

Now there were seven of the ten ossuaries that were inscribed with names. Six in Aramaic, one in Greek. We just rattled off the ones in Aramaic. The one in Greek said “Mariamne the Mara” — Mary. “Mne” is a pet name for only Mary Magdalene, found in the Acts of Philip.

So what the actual f* is going on? Why doesn’t the world know about this? I don’t know how freaking obvious this is.

AJ GENTILE: And a couple of those names are actually referenced in Mark 6:3. Same names.

SCOTT WOLTER: Same names. Now, some people have come back and said, well, those were common names at the time.

AJ GENTILE: They were.

SCOTT WOLTER: And some of them were. But when you start calculating the odds — as one of my good friends who keeps me on the straight and narrow, we talked about earlier, Jerry Lutkin, who’s part of the Talpiot Tomb research team, as I am as well — calculated the odds. Once you added in the James Ossuary, it went from like 1 in 150,000 to 1 in 2 million. So even if it’s not them —

The Journals of Earl Henry Sinclair

AJ GENTILE: So even without James, even without the controversy, this still fits.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, I’ll take those odds every time.

AJ GENTILE: Sure, of course.

SCOTT WOLTER: Hell yeah. So it’s them. Now there’s so much more to it. And the way that they were able to establish that, that Oshawa that showed up on the antiquities market and was purchased by Oded Golan, I think was his name, I don’t remember, but he stood firm. And the testing bared out the scientific testing and what they did was they took samples from inside the tombstone from the ossuaries and they got a geochemical fingerprint of that terra rosa soil that were all contaminated.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: All the ossuaries and the walls inside the tomb and the geochemical profile when they tested the James Ossuary was a spot on match. It came from the tomb, but obviously somebody had taken it.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: And sold it. Right.

AJ GENTILE: Did you test DNA in there? Do we have the genome?

SCOTT WOLTER: I can neither confirm nor deny.

AJ GENTILE: I know what that means in Templar speak.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes, you do. You know what? You should have Jerry on. You should talk to Jerry Lutkin. He’s very well spoken, he’s a really fun guy, but he’s really wicked smart. And he’s working with Simca, James Tabor, Charlie Pellegrino and some of the other guys on the tomb. And they’ve done a lot of work and it’s not public.

AJ GENTILE: So why suppress this? Why not just follow the evidence?

SCOTT WOLTER: We are, and we’re coming out with it right now.

AJ GENTILE: But I mean, there are forces that don’t want this information out.

SCOTT WOLTER: I think, you know what? I was talking with Janet about this this morning just before we came here. With everything that’s happening right now, I think those forces have bigger problems.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I think you understand precession, right?

AJ GENTILE: I do.

SCOTT WOLTER: Now we’re living through one of the most profound moments in human history, astronomically. And it was predicted that this would be a time of great upheaval.

AJ GENTILE: This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

SCOTT WOLTER: Dawning of the age of Aquarius, which is symbolized by two streams that flow together as one. And I look at those two streams. I mean, there’s a number of different symbolic ways you can interpret that, but one of the ways I see it is ideologically right and left, which is especially divided in this country right now.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: And maybe what all this craziness and that green jar is going to do is bring us as one again. That’s my hope and that’s what I want to see happen. I mean, it’s easy to sort of go down that negative rabbit hole and get caught up in all this negativity. And it’s awful. It’s beyond awful.

AJ GENTILE: But the symbology is there. We’ve got Pisces, the light and the dark, the left and the right, and we’re now leaving that behind.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yep. And you know what happens when you go through a dark period?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Clouds clear and the light comes and the sun comes out. And I’m optimistic. I think that’s going to happen. And there’s one other elephant in the room that we haven’t talked about, and that is them. The last several years, this has been talked about. That’s all we hear about. It’s time that they were introduced and they had their time on the stage because they are here.

AJ GENTILE: And if you’re listening, they’re in here. Scott pointed to the sky. So you’ve got extraterrestrials in these documents. Do you want to reveal the documents, what you’re pointing at?

SCOTT WOLTER: I could keep you here all day, man, but I want nowhere to be. I mean, it doesn’t matter which we do first. But I would also like to talk a little bit about my new book. Because obviously I appreciate the plug, but what’s important is the story is really important, and I’ll just try to get through this as quick as I can.

AJ GENTILE: Take your time.

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay, so about 10 years ago, exactly 10 years ago, ironically, in July of 2016. What is it about July when people bring stuff to me? A woman seriously sent me an email, and she said, “I’ve got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair.” And I went, “Yeah, right.” Delete. Next day, “No, really. I’ve got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair.” Stop it. Delete. About a week later, she goes, “No, I’m serious. I’ve got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair.” And she sent a couple pages. I picked up the phone. “Hi, my name is Scott Wolter. Nice to meet you.” No kidding. That’s what happened.

AJ GENTILE: So what are the pages? Where were they found? Who are they?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, okay, so what happened was her name is Diana Muir. And I’m not going to take you through the whole story, but what she did was she — I went down to see her to view them.

AJ GENTILE: Where?

SCOTT WOLTER: At the Mormon Temple in Nauvoo. She’s Mormon, and she laid them out. I have videos, I took pictures. I was flummoxed. And Janet will know what that means.

AJ GENTILE: Is this the Tennessee —

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m joking when I say flummox, but I was. No, seriously. I was like, oh, my God. Go ahead.

AJ GENTILE: Were they in Tennessee?

SCOTT WOLTER: Illinois.

AJ GENTILE: Illinois.

SCOTT WOLTER: Illinois.

AJ GENTILE: And where did she find —

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s not where she got them. So the short story is she was doing genealogy on her own family, and she went all the way back to the early 1800s — well, late 1700s — and realized that one of her ancestors was a guy by the name of John Weems. We call him Junior because his father was also John Weems. We call him Senior. And she went to a small genealogical society in Tennessee, and she was doing research and she asked about John Weems. And the guy said, “Well, I think we got something in the basement.” They went down to the basement, and there was a wooden chest that had been rescued from a fire in a church in that town back in 1880. When the church burned down, they rescued this thing. Inside was a saddlebag, and inside the saddlebag were these little paper notebooks and what she called a burrito, which was a lamb skin map that was drawn by Antonio Zeno of Nova Scotia.

AJ GENTILE: Of Nova Scotia.

SCOTT WOLTER: And where they buried the treasures.

AJ GENTILE: Oak Island is in there.

SCOTT WOLTER: Oak Island is in there. Yep. So I’m like, okay, let’s work together. I mean, I knew that this was big. Well, she got nervous and threw them away.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, my goodness.

SCOTT WOLTER: Because she had a checkered past. And if she was caught — and how did she get them? She stole them.

AJ GENTILE: She stole them.

SCOTT WOLTER: She realized that if the world knew about this, if the museum knew what they had, we would already know about it. Obviously they didn’t, because most of them were written in Latin and Old English. Latin, forget about it. Have you ever looked at Old English?

AJ GENTILE: Can’t read it.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s even worse.

AJ GENTILE: It’s worse.

SCOTT WOLTER: The last five books were written in modern English.

AJ GENTILE: Did she take pictures before she threw them away?

SCOTT WOLTER: She did.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: And we have a lot of the stuff. And I took pictures of everything. I’m a lab guy. I’m anal retentive, so I did a good job. I still would like to go back and do it again, but anyway. What she did was she used Bing Translate and Google Translate, and she translated — she took them. This was in 2005. She had them for about 10 years. And then she watched our show.

AJ GENTILE: The TV show.

SCOTT WOLTER: She watched our show.

AJ GENTILE: TV guy.

SCOTT WOLTER: And she heard us talking about Henry Sinclair. And in the journal, she remembered a name — Henrika Santa Claro. And that’s when she went and translated everything and sent it to me and I read it and I nearly sh myself.

AJ GENTILE: How did you know?

SCOTT WOLTER: My God, this is the greatest story I’ve ever read.

AJ GENTILE: How did you know they were real?

SCOTT WOLTER: I didn’t know they were real.

AJ GENTILE: How did you confirm that it was —

SCOTT WOLTER: Too good to be true.

AJ GENTILE: Of course it is.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s what do you think I did for the last 10 years? That’s why I waited till now to publish it.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Until I was satisfied that it was more likely real than not. And there’s some pretty interesting stuff in there that she didn’t write this. Nobody else wrote this. I mean, there’s Masonic stuff, there’s internal evidence, there’s sacred numbers, symbols. The hooked X.

The Hooked X and Sacred Numbers

AJ GENTILE: We didn’t get into that. Did you find the hooked X on the Kensington Runestone?

SCOTT WOLTER: I did.

AJ GENTILE: That’s on there too.

SCOTT WOLTER: 22 times.

AJ GENTILE: Can you tell us what that is? Because that shows up everywhere.

SCOTT WOLTER: It does. Great question.

AJ GENTILE: I just like this stuff.

SCOTT WOLTER: I love this stuff. So, okay, going back to when I was doing the Runestone, do you remember I told you about the numbers and about the codes that we found and about the legend of Enoch and the Hebrew mysticism?

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, must be a coincidence. But we have numbers like 8, 22, 14, 10.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: Must be a coincidence that there are exactly 22 hooked X’s on the Kensington Runestone. There are exactly 10 VW runes that the world has never seen, that the scholars said never existed. No donkeys. It just means you’ve never seen it. And you need to learn to say those three little words. What are they?

AJ GENTILE: I don’t know.

SCOTT WOLTER: Bingo.

AJ GENTILE: They can’t do it. They can’t say that.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, they didn’t say that. But isn’t that an interesting coincidence?

AJ GENTILE: Pseudoscience becomes science in a matter of time.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, look, you can’t deny these things.

AJ GENTILE: You can’t.

SCOTT WOLTER: Numbers are numbers. There are 14 individual pentatic numbers.

AJ GENTILE: So what’s the significance of 14? Why is that important?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, in the Isis Osiris mysteries, you know that when Osiris went to visit his jealous brother Seth, who killed him and cut his body up into how many pieces?

AJ GENTILE: 14 pieces.

SCOTT WOLTER: And how many stations of the cross are there?

AJ GENTILE: 14 stations.

SCOTT WOLTER: Bingo. Must be another coincidence.

AJ GENTILE: No.

SCOTT WOLTER: Any case. So you get what I’m talking about. And this predates the Runestone 1362.

AJ GENTILE: I think this all goes back to Akhenaten in 1300 BC, millennia before the Runestone.

SCOTT WOLTER: There are 8G ruins on the Runestone that are backwards with a dot that they’ve never seen. So it’s interesting that these numbers are singled out. It’s also interesting that if you add 8 and 22, you get what?

AJ GENTILE: 32 shelters?

SCOTT WOLTER: 32. “One day’s journey north from this stone.” Scottish Rite degree system is —

AJ GENTILE: That’s right.

SCOTT WOLTER: 33 degrees.

AJ GENTILE: That’s right.

The Esoteric Aspects of the Kensington Runestone

SCOTT WOLTER: Right. And let’s talk more about those numbers. And one of the things that I do is I talk about the esoteric aspects of the Kensington Runestone. And to make it simple, just about all of us at one point in our life ask those big questions. What happens when I die? Is there a God? What is the meaning of life? Right? And we all sort of go on a spiritual journey. Some do it to organize religion, some do it different ways, right? Some through Hebrew mysticism. But at the end of the day, what happens on that journey, it all comes back to you, right?

AJ GENTILE: It does to us. It’s just us at the end.

SCOTT WOLTER: Do you know how many vertebrae you have in your spinal column?

AJ GENTILE: Oh, goodness. I’m going to guess 33.

SCOTT WOLTER: Bingo.

AJ GENTILE: I didn’t know there was going to be a biology exam.

SCOTT WOLTER: You didn’t know this stuff, right? Come on.

AJ GENTILE: I didn’t know there’s going to be an exam.

SCOTT WOLTER: Do you know how many bones are in your skull?

AJ GENTILE: 14. In the skull? No, 24.

SCOTT WOLTER: 14 in your face.

AJ GENTILE: In the face. Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Eight in your cranium for a total of 22. Oh, bingo.

AJ GENTILE: The Templars love their numbers.

SCOTT WOLTER: Those are the magic numbers, and they’re on the Kensington Runestone. And when I went through the Cryptic Council degrees on the way to the Knights Templar degree in Scottish Rite, or in Grand Lodge Masonry, let’s call it.

AJ GENTILE: And you’re a Mason. You’re a knight.

The Select Master Degree and the Legend of Enoch

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m a knight. I’m a knight. But on the way, you go through what they call the Cryptic Council. There’s three degrees in there, and the middle one is called the Select Master Degree. And it was in that degree — and just so people understand, when we do our degrees, it’s made up of part theatrical performance, part lecture, and usually the white hats, the thirty-thirds, give the lectures. And so in this particular degree, it’s the Legend of Enoch and the secret vault, that’s nine levels below the sanctum sanctorum.

AJ GENTILE: Wait, Enoch is in Freemasonry? Of course. I didn’t know that.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, absolutely.

AJ GENTILE: That’s fascinating.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. So in this degree, it’s basically about the secret vault and the nine levels.

AJ GENTILE: Do you know when Enoch was introduced into Freemasonry? I’m trying to put a date line on it.

SCOTT WOLTER: The Kensington Runestone is the oldest record of it now, because the Dead Sea Scrolls are 15th century.

AJ GENTILE: Because the Dead Sea Scrolls is like 1966. So they’ve been there a long time.

SCOTT WOLTER: A long time.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: So during the theatrical performance, they basically play out that it was decided that the three grand masters — King Solomon, Hiram Abiff, and Hiram, King of Tyre, where all the workers in the wood came from — decided that they were going to build the secret vault where a copy of all the true treasures were kept that were up in the sanctum sanctorum, right? And then there’s a couple of guards, and something happens, and some guy gets down there and somebody has to die. And there’s a lot of blood and death. And I’m not really supposed to talk about it, but I’m giving you enough so that you can — I mean, if you want to read the degree, you can look it up online, but I want to stick to my vows to some degree.

AJ GENTILE: I respect that.

The Connection Between the Kensington Runestone and Masonic Ritual

SCOTT WOLTER: But then afterwards, a white hat gave the lecture, and at one point he said, “And the other eight arches were built by 22 men from Gabel.” And I went — 8 and 22. Those are the first two numbers on the Kensington Runestone. And I didn’t hear another thing after that.

Then after the degree was over, I went to my Masonic mentor, John Freeberg — one of the guys I told you about who is on our team. I said, “John, is there a ritual book for this?” And he said, “Yes.” I said, “Give me that.” And I started reading. Oh, my God. Kensington Runestone.

AJ GENTILE: It’s in there.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s all there. And I wrote a paper on this. And to my knowledge, I’m the first person in history to make that connection. And the craft has accepted it.

AJ GENTILE: That’s true.

SCOTT WOLTER: And they’ve accepted the Runestone. In fact, Janet — Janet, I know, was part of this — but a few summers ago, our commandery had a regional gathering, and they asked me if I would lead a tour out to the Kensington Runestone Museum and to the farm that is now a Douglas County park dedicated to the Runestone. And so I did that, and there was a lot of people there. A lot of people — all my fellow Templar Knights and their families and other Masons.

And then they said, “Well, where was the Runestone found, Scott?” I said, “Well, come on down the hill here a little bit. This is where the stoneholds triangulate. This is the spot.” And right when we got there, the Grand Commander, Jeff Nelson, comes up and he starts talking, and I’m like, wait a minute. What’s going on here? And they presented me with the highest honor you can get in the Templar — a beautiful jewel and a medal.

AJ GENTILE: I didn’t know that. What is that honor called?

SCOTT WOLTER: I forget. I got a picture. I don’t remember. But it was given by the Grand Commander. In other words, they had accepted all the research. And then the chaplain consecrated the ground where the Runestone was.

AJ GENTILE: What an experience. The Templars accepted it as part of their history.

Being Knighted: Three Templar Orders

SCOTT WOLTER: When I’ve been — I’m in three different Templar orders.

AJ GENTILE: Do you have to get knighted differently for each order?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. You go through a knighting in all three orders.

AJ GENTILE: What can you tell us about what happens there?

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s amazing. It’s amazing.

AJ GENTILE: I’m picturing candles and robes and —

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, really? Yeah. Well, there’s definitely candles and there’s a ritual. There is one thing in Templarism that I cannot talk about, but when you go through that final degree, there are a lot of things that just suddenly fall into place.

AJ GENTILE: I bet.

SCOTT WOLTER: And you’re like, “Oh, now I get it.”

AJ GENTILE: The Templars have been passing down that knowledge since Atlantis. Is it continued to be passed down through the orders today?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes. And what I will tell you is that in my personal opinion, most of the guys that go through these degrees have no idea what’s really going on. And in many ways it really doesn’t matter, because one of the beautiful things about the Masonic system and about the degree system is you are preserving ancient knowledge through this ritual and through lectures. And even if you don’t understand, it doesn’t matter. It’s preserved.

AJ GENTILE: Right. Just protect it.

SCOTT WOLTER: And if you think about it, it’s a brilliant system. It really is. Now, a lot of guys want to dig deeper, and what’s interesting about what’s happening today in Freemasonry — a lot of young people are turning away from religion, but they’re asking those big questions. A lot of the things that you talk about on your show, the things that I’ve seen asked about, and they’re just not getting the answers through the regular channels. So they’re looking to things like Masonry.

And I’ve turned a lot of people on to that, but a lot of guys will go through and they just want to go through the line. They want to be the worshipful master and do all the jewels and all that. And that’s great, and there’s a wonderful tradition there. That’s just not my jam. I’m a researcher. I want to understand what is the meaning behind the rituals that we’re doing.

AJ GENTILE: I agree.

SCOTT WOLTER: Where does that go back to and what does it all mean? And I will tell you that it is freaking profound. And it goes all the way back to the Templars. It goes back to Jesus and Mary and John the Baptist, Egyptians, the Atlanteans. It’s all part of the same tradition.

Henry Sinclair and the Journals

AJ GENTILE: Do you want to take us there? Where do we go next?

SCOTT WOLTER: Talk about Henry Sinclair. So we talked a little bit about the journals. And so what I did is I spent 10 years vetting these journals. And then last year, I decided I was ready. And all I did was — the first thing I do is I attack the elephant in the room, Diana. Because everyone’s going to go — I’m glad you do this. You got to do it.

AJ GENTILE: You have to do it.

SCOTT WOLTER: You can’t sit there and dance around. Look, it’s uncomfortable sometimes. We’ve all had those moments where you have to have that talk with your son or your daughter, right? You’re not looking forward to it. But you got to do it. You do, and you do it. So we talk about her, and she was very forthcoming. She admits she stole them. And frankly, I’m glad she did. Otherwise, they’d still be sitting in there, and who knows when they would be found and realized. So we do that. And then another copy of the journals showed up.

AJ GENTILE: They did, they did.

SCOTT WOLTER: They did.

AJ GENTILE: Where did those come from?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, she actually tracked it down, because what she did is she followed the lines of John Weems Jr., who had about 10 kids. And what we found out is, after his death, right before the Civil War — they were all Masons — a cousin, I think two cousins, and one of the sons recopied them, and they went down their lines. And so we were able to get a copy from that line.

And what happened was John Alston Weems — or James Alston Weems — in 1885. So this would be about John Weems Jr., who died in 1812. So we’re talking about, what, 70 years later, 73 years later, he has a copy of the journals, but they’re in the old language. So he asked a nun to translate them. She was formerly trained in Montreal, which is French.

AJ GENTILE: Right, right.

SCOTT WOLTER: But she was formally trained by the Catholic Church in Latin, and so she did her own translation. And that was done in 1885, and it was recopied. And what we have is a modern copy. Now, if you have a person who has a copy of those journals from 1885, who’s formally trained in Latin, would you expect those translations to be exactly like Diana’s, who used modern translation programs on the Internet?

AJ GENTILE: Probably not identical.

SCOTT WOLTER: And if they were, that’s a problem.

AJ GENTILE: It’s a problem. Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: They’re not even close.

AJ GENTILE: They’re not even close.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, the essence of the messages are exactly the same.

AJ GENTILE: Sure.

SCOTT WOLTER: But the phrasing is different. Words are different. She sneaks in some French words because she lived in Montreal — like “Grand Paris,” which is — and I’m not saying that correctly — but it’s a word for grandparents, and that’s not in Diana’s. So that actually breathes authenticity into the document. But in any case, it’s the same story.

So what I do is I published Diana’s translation, and then in italics I do Sister Harkin’s translation, and then highlighted is my commentary.

AJ GENTILE: And this is in your book?

SCOTT WOLTER: This is in the book. Okay, so just for fun, can we read a couple of passages?

AJ GENTILE: I’m ready.

Reading from the Henry Sinclair Journals

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay. So when Earl Henry Sinclair was eight years old — the very first entry — his father. He writes about how his father. And eight is a very important number. Remember?

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: Eight Goths.

AJ GENTILE: Eight Goths.

The Sinclair Journals and Templar Treasures

SCOTT WOLTER: And he says, “I want.” He gave me this book to write down things I will remember when I am a man. And he writes religiously throughout his life, and we learn everything about his life, and it’s an amazing life, let me tell you. He becomes the Earl of Orkney, and a lot of crazy stuff. But anyway, so what he does is he’s also a vassal to the Norwegian king as the Earl of Orkney because they were under the rule of the Norwegian king at that time. And so he has to go to Norway periodically and report.

AJ GENTILE: So this is when, like late 14th century.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, the first entry he makes is in 1353, when he’s eight years old. So he was born in 1345. Then he. This particular time he goes up is in 1368, which is about six years after the Runestone was carved. And he finds out when he’s having dinner with the king and a bunch of people, that there was a guy who recently came back from the Western lands. North America.

AJ GENTILE: Where is that written? That’s in the journals. Yes, but I thought you told me Christopher Columbus discovered America.

SCOTT WOLTER: I never said that. You shut up. I did not say. I knew that was coming. Okay, so he learns from this guy. It reminds him about a party that left Norway in 1358. And he’s heard about them, but he doesn’t know what happened to them. So he says in one of his journals, “I got to go back and talk to the Brethren and find out the older guys.”

So he writes on July 26 — this is about two months after he gets back from Norway — July 26, 1368: “I had spoken with the Brethren regarding my concerns for the men who have traveled to the Western banks in the spring of 1358. No word has been received from them, but Brother Cameron has said that none is expected. They were instructed to find suitable land for settlement.”

AJ GENTILE: Boom. Land claim.

SCOTT WOLTER: Right on.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: “And that more would follow.”

AJ GENTILE: More what would follow?

SCOTT WOLTER: More Templars.

AJ GENTILE: More Templars are coming. They were establishing New Atlantis.

SCOTT WOLTER: New Atlantis. “They were instructed to find suitable land for settlement, that more would follow. He acknowledged that they were men of the craft and included monks with herbal knowledge.”

AJ GENTILE: So Freemasonry, alchemy.

SCOTT WOLTER: And the monks with alchemy and obviously legend of Enoch knowledge. Earlier we figure out who it was on the Runestone. His name was Father Richards. But I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole today.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: “Because of the political unrest in Scotland, no additional brethren have been sent. It might be several years before another journey can be planned.”

So in 1395 and 1398, Earl Henry takes eight ships loaded with treasures to the western lands. And then he went again in 1398.

AJ GENTILE: Were these the Templar treasures?

The Templar Treasures and the Arrest of 1307

SCOTT WOLTER: Templar treasures that were hidden in — we learn all about where they were hidden, and we know what happened after they left La Rochelle.

AJ GENTILE: So hang on, let’s catch everybody up. These are the treasures that King Philip the Fair wanted. And missing.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes. So when the arrest order came down on October 13, 1307, the agents of the church immediately went to the treasury at the headquarters of the Knights Templar in Paris, opened the doors, and it was empty. Then they went up to La Rochelle, where there were 18 ships that were parked there, loaded. Well, some of them were loaded with treasure. And when the agents went up there, they were gone, too. So they disappeared into history. And people have speculated ever since. This tells us exactly what happened.

AJ GENTILE: Are we going to learn what the items actually were?

SCOTT WOLTER: If you’re nice. Okay, I got another one for you. Now, the obligation after Earl Henry came over was passed down to his son and grandson and five generations of the Sinclairs: you were to visit the western lands twice in your lifetime, once with your father, once with your son, to make sure that the treasures were safe.

It’s important to note, too, that starting with Earl Henry, they formed a deep spiritual bond with the natives, who basically bonded through ritual. The natives practice Freemasonry just like we do. Exactly the same. Funny about that, huh? Most people don’t know that. I’ve been in their sweats, and I had to earn the right to ask my questions.

AJ GENTILE: They say that knowledge came from somewhere else.

SCOTT WOLTER: They’ve been doing it for tens of thousands of years, all the way back to you know who.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: So the natives know.

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

The Templars and the Native Bond

SCOTT WOLTER: And basically — and intermarriage — they also bonded through intermarriage. But essentially what the natives said to Earl Henry and his descendants was, “You are our brothers. Gold and silver mean nothing to us. If you want us to guard these treasures for you, we’ll do it.”

So every time they came back to check on them, they met with the natives. They broke bread, they shared rituals. And a lot of those knights stayed. In fact, in 1398, 120 Knights Templar said, “We’ve been excommunicated. The plague is ravaging in Europe. You know what? I think we’re going to try our chances over there. You know those native women, they’re pretty cute.”

AJ GENTILE: Where did those Templars end up?

SCOTT WOLTER: North America.

AJ GENTILE: North America.

SCOTT WOLTER: So not only did they leave the treasures, they brought the bloodline.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, boy.

SCOTT WOLTER: And put it in the natives. But that’s another story.

AJ GENTILE: They put the bloodline in the natives.

SCOTT WOLTER: Why do you think there was so much genocide?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah. Committed by Catholics. Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: A lot more to the story, isn’t it?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, there is.

The Weems Family and the Journals

SCOTT WOLTER: So we go through all the five generations of the Sinclairs, and the journals pass from the Sinclairs to the Weems because the later generations were not good guys. Catherine Sinclair — interesting that a woman made the transfer to her husband, who was James Weems. The Weems clan were shipping barons then, and they still are to this day. So they had the means to go over and check on the treasures.

So for nine out of 10 generations, the Weems family went over and checked on the treasures. We get to the 10th generation, which is John Weems Jr., who receives a note from his father. He said, “You need to come see me right away. It’s very important. Get here as soon as you can.” And he writes in his journal — by the way, he was the most prolific writer — he said, “My father’s never asked me to do something like this before. I need to get up there right away.”

John Weems Jr. fought in three wars: the French and Indian Wars, the Revolution, and I forget the other one. And he was deeded land by the government in Tennessee. That’s how he got to Tennessee. He’s originally in North Carolina when he got his discharge when he was 28 years old.

AJ GENTILE: That’s why Tennessee factors in. He was gifted — exactly. Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Exactly. So he goes to visit his father who lives in Abington, Pennsylvania, which is about a 20-minute drive north of Philadelphia. And he says, “Son” — and it turns out his father had really bad gout. He would die two years later in 1771. But this is 1769. He said, “You’re to go with these two older men up to Nova Scotia to check on the treasures, and then when you’re done, come back.” His father couldn’t go with him. So they go up there, they check on the treasures.

On the way back, John is having doubts about the story. And he’s reading the journals — his father gives him the journals to read.

AJ GENTILE: He’s having doubts. And he saw the treasures.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, no, they see where it’s buried. It’s in the ground.

AJ GENTILE: Oh.

SCOTT WOLTER: But they see piles of rocks, they see inscribed stones, they see who knows what else. And he’s like descended from kings in Scotland. This is crazy. So you know what the older guys did? They took him to the Newport Tower.

AJ GENTILE: The Newport Tower.

SCOTT WOLTER: John was an engineer and he was fascinated with how the building was built. The windows were in the cardinal points and aligned with the astronomical. He caught all that.

AJ GENTILE: So to catch everybody up, that’s the — that’s the windmill, right? The Benedict Arnold windmill.

SCOTT WOLTER: You stop it.

AJ GENTILE: That for some reason is round and for some reason aligns with the solstice.

The Newport Tower and the Recovery Mission

SCOTT WOLTER: I get like this when you say windmill, man. But you obviously know about the tower. You know it was built by the Templars and it’s mentioned in here. It’s mentioned in here. Anyway, so he comes back and he’s convinced — the tower convinced him for some reason. So he comes back to his father, and they’ve been gone for like two months. And he said, “Son, the political situation has changed. You need to go back and round up more men and you’re going to go recover those treasures next year.”

So he does that. He rounds up 46 Freemasons, young men, and six slaves. Now, I’m going to ask you a question. Do you know what the word manumission means?

AJ GENTILE: Yes. To liberate a slave.

SCOTT WOLTER: Damn. Nobody gets that right. I didn’t know what that was. I learned about it in the journals.

AJ GENTILE: So what did they do with this?

SCOTT WOLTER: So those six slaves that went up and helped recover the treasures were freed when they got back for their service.

AJ GENTILE: Wow.

SCOTT WOLTER: So 46 men and six slaves go to Abington where there was a special meeting. It was like the rah-rah speech before they took off. Remember, they’re going into British territory.

AJ GENTILE: Right, right.

SCOTT WOLTER: And so —

AJ GENTILE: And this is about what, like 1770?

SCOTT WOLTER: 1770.

AJ GENTILE: Okay. So it’s dangerous.

Benjamin Franklin and the Financing of the Revolutionary War

SCOTT WOLTER: So yeah. So listen to this. This entry was written by John Weems Jr., May 6, 1770. And it’ll speak for itself.

“My father having been raised to the status of Master Mason in the 46th British Regiment” — I had to go to Canada to vet this, and that’s another story in itself. I looked at all the Templar records going back to his times. His father was in the 46th British Regiment — “presided over the meeting which was attended by William Ball of Philadelphia and Benjamin Franklin, the former Provincial Grand Master of Pennsylvania.”

And that is correct. That timing is correct. Now anybody could have found that. But everything fits, right?

AJ GENTILE: This is a lot. It’s a big hoax if it’s a hoax. There’s a lot of information.

SCOTT WOLTER: Too much detail.

AJ GENTILE: Right, right.

SCOTT WOLTER: That fits. “The Brethren gathered in the schoolhouse and for three hours were impressed upon by the presiding Brethren the importance of their mission. We were each divided into groups of five and each group was named after the ship of Earl Henry’s that brought the treasures.” Which is kind of cool.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: “And told to embrace each other in the coming journey and learn to trust and depend upon each other as it would become vitally important in our task. The presiding Brethren also imparted their knowledge of current political events and told us that it was immensely important that the Templar treasure find its way back to the Grand Lodge to assist in the oncoming war.”

AJ GENTILE: The Revolutionary War is funded by Templars? By Templar treasure?

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s how I interpret it.

AJ GENTILE: That’s what it sounds like. It was financed by somebody.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, one of my friends, John Freeberg — I think I told you about him — did a little research into the financing of the Revolutionary War. And there was one particular brother who — I can’t remember his name — that put up a lot of the money. But John says he could only account for 60 of the 160 million that was spent on the war. Where did that other 100 million come from? I think we might know.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

The Founding Fathers, the Brethren, and the Vault

SCOTT WOLTER: Because we looked into all this. We would soon lose control of the territory in Nova Scotia. And the Brethren feared it would be lost if not retrieved straight away. They also reiterated that secrecy was of the utmost important and that we would always be surrounded by British troops and subjects who might report our every move. Brother Franklin reminded us that no matter what our political or religious leanings, our loyalty to the Brethren was most important. We would. We must honor our commitment and remember our vows, or the burgeoning nation of free men might never come to pass. I don’t know about you, but I get chills every time.

AJ GENTILE: Absolutely.

SCOTT WOLTER: After a brief supper was served and prayers were said, we left to return to our bunks in Abington, knowing that the future of the nation lay in our hands. I prayed that I would be a capable leader and said as much to my father. He responded that leaders are not born, they are created. The Lord would guide me in my journey. I must only have faith in him as he does in me. Father made the sign of a cross on my forehead with his thumb and gave me his blessing. I leave with a lighter heart.

AJ GENTILE: That’s very. That’s lovely.

SCOTT WOLTER: I was in tears the first time I read that. I’m like, Franklin, Brother.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Why didn’t you tell us? I mean, but nobody knew about that. Nobody could know, right?

AJ GENTILE: Most of the Founding Fathers were Masons, weren’t they?

SCOTT WOLTER: 53 of the 56 signers.

AJ GENTILE: So do you think they knew about this?

SCOTT WOLTER: Hell, yes.

AJ GENTILE: Do you think they—

SCOTT WOLTER: Are you kidding me? Of course they did. If Ben Franklin knew, George knew, Thomas Jefferson knew. George Mason was — listen, so you know where George Mason Island is?

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: Theodore Roosevelt Island. Right. So you and Tim must have talked about this.

AJ GENTILE: We didn’t.

SCOTT WOLTER: You didn’t?

AJ GENTILE: No. So, please.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. Man. Impressive. Look at you. July 14th, 1770. They’re back. And actually, you know who captained the ship? It was a Weebs. He was a Brit.

AJ GENTILE: He was a Brit.

SCOTT WOLTER: But his—

AJ GENTILE: But his vows—

SCOTT WOLTER: Loyalty to the Brethren was most important.

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: And it was his cousin John’s cousin, and they brought everything back and kept their mouth shut. “It has taken the greater part of the day to transfer all the cargo up the Potomac River to Mason’s Island, that is now Theodore Roosevelt Island, which sits right behind—” What monument is that?

AJ GENTILE: Behind Jefferson?

SCOTT WOLTER: Lincoln.

AJ GENTILE: Lincoln. Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Right by the river there, right where that helicopter crashed. Remember that? The collision.

AJ GENTILE: Yep. I think Mason’s monument is over there somewhere, though.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s behind Thomas Jefferson.

AJ GENTILE: Behind Jefferson.

SCOTT WOLTER: They call him the Forgotten Founder. George Mason.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yep. Surprised at them.

George Mason: The Forgotten Founder

AJ GENTILE: Do you want to — you got to tell them why he’s the Forgotten Founder.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, he’s called the Forgotten Founder because you don’t hear about him, but he was the one that wrote the Bill of Rights, and I think it was the Constitution — the part of the Constitution that was actually for the State of Virginia.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: And Thomas Jefferson used that as a template.

AJ GENTILE: That’s exactly right.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. But anyway, he was also the one that would not sign the Bill of Rights unless there was a provision put in there that basically said that everybody is born with certain inalienable rights. Did you know that?

AJ GENTILE: I didn’t know that.

SCOTT WOLTER: And that goes back to Parsifal, where it’s first mentioned that every human being is born with certain inalienable rights. And he wouldn’t sign it until they put a provision in that said that—

AJ GENTILE: The Church doesn’t like that either.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, too bad. “I was enlisted by Brother Hanson to inventory the cargo as it was placed in the vault. And was surprised at the amount of treasure we had recovered. The inventory was given to Brother Mason upon completion. So I do this from memory.”

AJ GENTILE: Hold on. Are we going to — no.

SCOTT WOLTER: Maybe we should just stop.

AJ GENTILE: No, hold on.

SCOTT WOLTER: Are you ready?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Buckle up, because here we go.

AJ GENTILE: So, forget Oak Island. There’s nothing there.

The Inventory of the Vault

SCOTT WOLTER: Nope, it’s gone. “In total, there are more than 40 chests of coin, 25 gold crucifixes of varying sizes, 12 menorah of varying sizes, numerous parchments and paintings kept in tubes of crushed lime and clay. Only a very few of them have been open to the weather, and all seem in good repair. There are also six arks made of gold and silver of various sizes.”

AJ GENTILE: We mean, like, Ark of the Covenant?

SCOTT WOLTER: Arks spelled A-R-K.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s how I interpret it. So you know what that means, right? I think most people listening are going to go, “Six arcs, what are you talking about?” Right. Well, the secret of the Ark isn’t where it is, it’s how to make one. And you know who knows how to make one? Our boy, Tim Hogan.

AJ GENTILE: Tim knows how to make an ark? Yeah, I knew he’s an alchemist, I didn’t know he was an ark builder.

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m sorry if I wasn’t supposed to say anything.

AJ GENTILE: Tim, they’re going to revoke your award.

SCOTT WOLTER: “3 heavily decorated with filigree and winged creatures.”

AJ GENTILE: Oh, my goodness. So this is the cherubim on the ark?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes. “Four stone boxes that contain remnants of bone.”

AJ GENTILE: Oh, my goodness.

SCOTT WOLTER: “A stone box of broken stone tablets.”

AJ GENTILE: I mean, you can’t make this — I mean, I guess you could.

SCOTT WOLTER: No. You could, but you can’t. Right. “An emerald tablet. Several bloodied swords and lances, two of which are broken. One stone box contains flasks of mysterious substances.” Alchemy.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: “But I am reluctant to ask what magical solutions they contain. Several casks of jewels and numerous other gold and silver artifacts fill the empty space. It was late evening before we closed the door to the vault, which was then sealed with mortar made of crushed lime and shells. The entrance was then covered with soil and made invisible to those who know not where it lay. A group of 10 and 14 Masons encircled the tomb. And we bless the vault and ask Heavenly Father to bless and protect this place against time and ravages and greed of war.”

Cousin James left under the — anyway, that’s getting into the details now. Let me ask you a question.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Why 10 and 14?

AJ GENTILE: I was going to ask you — that’s a strange way to say that.

SCOTT WOLTER: Aren’t those numbers on the Kensington Runestone?

AJ GENTILE: Oh, that’s right.

SCOTT WOLTER: Why didn’t you just say 24?

AJ GENTILE: I don’t know. Templars do this.

SCOTT WOLTER: There’s a reason. And he called it a tomb. I did not catch that at first. First time I read this, I was so flabbergasted. Four stone boxes with remnants of bone.

AJ GENTILE: Are those the bones that we’re talking about?

SCOTT WOLTER: I honestly don’t know. But of course they are. I mean, why else would they bring them over, right?

AJ GENTILE: I would love to test those bones against what’s in — copy it.

SCOTT WOLTER: We’ve already—

AJ GENTILE: Have you done that?

SCOTT WOLTER: No.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

DNA Testing and the Greatest Templar Tale Never Told

SCOTT WOLTER: Not yet. But I will say that if bones — or maybe let’s say they found a skull, could we test that against known entities that came out of, say, the Talpiot Tomb? Could they have done the DNA already? And could we test it? I’d say yeah.

AJ GENTILE: Has it been done? Can’t confirm. No. Deny what you said.

SCOTT WOLTER: Not yet.

AJ GENTILE: Not yet. Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay. So that’s that. This is the greatest story. Seriously. Templar tale never told. This is like national treasure on steroids.

AJ GENTILE: Good luck getting it. It’s sold out. I couldn’t get it.

SCOTT WOLTER: We’ll get more, we’ll print more. But I am — and then I have a final chapter where I talk about — I called it analysis. And I’m just going to give you one minor little example that is nothing, that says a lot. In one of the entries when they’re over here, they talk about a big furry animal that cuts down trees, with a large flat tail.

AJ GENTILE: Beavers.

SCOTT WOLTER: Beavers. The entry was made in 16-something. This is John Weems Jr., I think. Or no, it was the generation before that. What I found out is that beavers were hunted out in, like, the 14th century.

AJ GENTILE: That’s true.

SCOTT WOLTER: In the British Isles. They were reintroduced in 2004. So beavers are in Scotland and England now. But in 1665, that’s when it was, when he wrote that entry, he didn’t know what the hell that was.

AJ GENTILE: He didn’t know what kind of animal that was.

SCOTT WOLTER: He didn’t know because he didn’t have them over there.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: For like 300 years. But now they have them. Something like that is so innocuous, but yet huge.

AJ GENTILE: Those are the details that really sell it for me. Those little — like, the two lances were broken. Like, he’s just—

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah.

AJ GENTILE: Like, look—

SCOTT WOLTER: But they were broken when I found it. Broken. The swords were broken. Bloodied and broken. There was stain on them or something. But there’s all kinds of — and 10 and 14.

Sacred Numbers and the Goddess

AJ GENTILE: Why?

SCOTT WOLTER: Stuff like that just — if you don’t know this stuff, right, and you start getting into the sacred numbers that are the Fibonacci sequence — 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13 — and then 22 and 26, which is 2 times 13. And when you understand the sacredness of these, not many people know this, and yet this is what they’re doing because it’s honoring deity. It’s honoring the goddess.

What’s also interesting about that entry that nobody would know is that throughout the journals, they talk about the goddess blessing, getting the blessing of the goddess. They rarely talk about the Heavenly Father. The only time that they mention him is when it’s associated with death.

AJ GENTILE: That’s interesting.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, it is. They don’t mention the goddess and the goddess’s life. Bingo.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: And that’s why they always use the sacred numbers. Now, some people know that now because we’ve been talking about it, but—

AJ GENTILE: Did you realize that agates were based around the sacred numbers when you were hunting them?

SCOTT WOLTER: Of course I didn’t. No, I didn’t at first, but I do now. I mean, it’s everywhere. It’s the key to life in the universe.

AJ GENTILE: I agree. Let’s take a quick break, and then we’ll come back and we’ll do—

SCOTT WOLTER: Do you want to do the Green Jar?

AJ GENTILE: We need to get to the Green Jar.

SCOTT WOLTER: I don’t care if you do or not. We’re doing it. We’re doing it.

AJ GENTILE: The Green Jar. Do we—

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s time.

AJ GENTILE: Is this the big reveal?

SCOTT WOLTER: You know what—

AJ GENTILE: It’s okay if it’s not.

The Cremona Document and the Temple of the Goddess

SCOTT WOLTER: No, I think this is the big reveal. And I need to give you a little bit of context. Sure. I do want to just do one thing, if it’s okay. AJ, as we go through this, we’re having a really good time. And again, I want to thank you again for having me on. This has been. I’m having a blast. I don’t want it to end. I want to keep going.

But, as much fun as we’re having, I just want people to understand that what we’re doing here is we’re not trying to go after anybody. We’re not trying to attack anybody’s faith. I’m not trying to make a point. We’ve been doing this research. I’ve been on this path, and it led us to finding this jar. And I’m going to tell you the story. And it’s about some of the most important things to a lot of people. And I just want people to understand I’m not here to try to offend anybody. I’m not trying to attack anybody’s faith. I’m just presenting the information. I’m certainly welcome to have my own opinion, but I’m not trying to project anything. I’m just. We found it, and here’s what it

AJ GENTILE: says, and I think that’s good enough. So people can do their own research. They can believe what they want to believe. We’re not here to change minds.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yep.

AJ GENTILE: You just follow the evidence.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. And it’s a great story.

AJ GENTILE: It’s a great story. It’s a treasure hunt. So.

Don Rue and the Catskill Mountains Discovery

SCOTT WOLTER: All right, well, let me give you a little bit of context. So, in 2006, I was at a conference on the East Coast. A Near England Antiquities Research Association conference. And I gave a lecture. And then afterwards, I was introduced by a woman named Xena Halpern, who was a good friend, to a guy named Don Rue. Six foot eight, a guy who has a voice like this. So if I talk like him, I can’t help it. But anyway, very interesting guy. And he asked me if I would help him with some field work.

And in 2008, myself, Steve Sinclair, my son Grant, and a guy, another friend and researcher by the name of Dave Brody, went up into the Catskill Mountains to help Don with some research. And we found some carvings up there. Theban letters carved in the rocks and an inscribed stone. We found an inscribed stone.

AJ GENTILE: Wow.

SCOTT WOLTER: It had the latitude and longitude of Montreal. It had some interesting symbols carved on it on the backside, which we now know are a Tanit Symbol, which is the ancient goddess of the Phoenicians, and something called the Wilted Rose of the House of the Magdalene. I didn’t know what those symbols were at the time, but I do now.

AJ GENTILE: How did you date this stone? What age is this?

SCOTT WOLTER: We aren’t really sure, but it probably dates back to sometime in the 17th century. Okay, not that old. Not super old.

In any case, I got to know Don and I came to realize, kind of along with him, that he worked for an agency starting in 1961 until it was dissolved in 1994 that did work for our military. They were paid to do certain work. And I’m supposed to say he didn’t

AJ GENTILE: tell you what kind of work? You know what kind of work he did?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes.

AJ GENTILE: You can’t say.

SCOTT WOLTER: I can’t really go into all of it.

AJ GENTILE: I understand.

SCOTT WOLTER: I don’t want to upset Don. Don’s 83 years old and,

AJ GENTILE: let’s not upset Don.

Bannerman Island and the Discovery of the Cremona Document

SCOTT WOLTER: I don’t want to upset Don. But anyway, his best friend was a guy by the name of Bill Jackson, who after he got out of serving in Korea, needed a job. So Don got him involved with this agency. So they started working together. And they lived in New York in the Bronx.

And one of the things that they used to do — in 1968 they went up the Hudson River to a place called Bannerman Island. Francis Bannerman was an arms dealer who would sell to both the North and the South during the Civil War. And then his son sold to people leading up to the First World War. It’s an interesting story, but he was a Scottish arms dealer.

And what they did was — in 1916, don’t quote me on these dates, but 1916 — Francis Bannerman IV died. Fourth or sixth, I forget now. And then two years later, the munitions that were stored on the island blew up. So all this stuff went into the water, the Hudson River, around the island.

Don and Bill and his buddies would go up there and scuba dive and snorkel, get the munitions, take them to the Bronx and pawn them for money. Well, while they were up there, Don was over on the eastern shore, which is only about a quarter mile at the close to the eastern shore, right where the railroad goes by. And he found a couple of decorative ornaments that had blown off the island and he gave them to his friend Bill because his wife was a gardener and she used them in her garden.

A year later, their five year old son pulled the top ball of this decorative ornament and realized that it opened, and Bill opened it. And inside was a clay tube, 4 inches long, an inch in diameter, sealed with beeswax. Inside were two parchments that were encrypted in Theban and had a very controversial message.

The other thing that was inside there was a brass hockey puck-shaped device that was actually a navigation device. And inside were metal inserts. On one of those metal inserts was the word “Antiora.” Antiora is the ancient name of North America. Bill did a bunch of research, traveled to France, and he bought a book that had the word Antiora in it. And basically this book was European languages that have Native American words in them. And the word Ontiora was in this book. It was published in 1715.

What Bill Jackson then did was chase down the descendants of the two authors — Rochefoucauld and Benvenuto — and eventually met the descendant of Benvenuto in Rome, who had a document that was referenced inside that paper that we now call the Cremona Document. And it was offered to Bill and he bought it.

Bill did not tell Don everything about his research. One of the things we know that he bought was an encrypted story about a 12th century mission of six ships with 144 men and women, led by a Templar knight by the name of Sir Ralph de Sudley. Look up his brother — he did something very interesting, very famous. But anyway, he was to lead these people to North America to a place that we now know is in the Catskill Mountains, where we were hiking in 2008 and 2009, a place called the Temple of the Goddess, where ancient biblical era scrolls were hidden. And de Sudley’s mission was to go and recover those scrolls and bring them back to Europe.

AJ GENTILE: He left in 1177. Who assigns him that mission?

SCOTT WOLTER: Grand Master.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: On the way, he stopped in Denmark and picked up their navigator, a woman by the name of Altamara. I think she was indigenous because she knew exactly how to get to the Temple. How would she know that? Because that’s where she came from.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

The Shipwreck off Newfoundland

SCOTT WOLTER: On the way there, rounding the southern coast of Newfoundland, one of their ships hit rocks. It was unable to be fixed. They salvaged everything, towed it out and scuttled it. They marked the location in the Cremona Document. Bill got that part of the document and he said, “Let me take this part and I’ll be back.” And then he called Don and said, “Hey Don, I want to go scuba diving up in Newfoundland.” Don never married, never had kids, never had an excuse. But as Don said, Bill said the magic words: “I’ll pay.” So they went up there to dive the shipwreck, and they found the ship.

AJ GENTILE: Wow.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s all in the book I’m writing right now, and it’s amazing stuff. Anyway, that convinced Bill that the story was true. He went back to Rome and he bought it in 1971, and they were up there in 1971. So for the next 20-something years, Bill was doing everything he could in the field to try to find stuff. And he would always bring Don with him, and Don would hear things, but he didn’t know what was going on.

In 1994, Bill, who was a medical doctor, realized he was dying of arterial sclerosis and Parkinson’s disease. And he sold the document to the Vatican.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, no.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, that’s what I said.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, no.

SCOTT WOLTER: Bill was no fool. In 2013, one of the other guys that worked in the agency called Don and said, “Hey, I’ve got some 35 millimeter film that Bill gave me. Do you want this undeveloped?” Don said, “Of course.” Photographs of everything.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, thank God.

The Manila Envelope and Bill Jackson’s Letter

SCOTT WOLTER: Then in 2017, Jan and I were driving back from the East Coast and we just happened to stop and see Don. And I go in there and I said, “I want to get a drink of water.” I go in the kitchen, I look, and I see a picture of Don with Rick Lagina, another guy from the Curse of Oak Island show. I said, “What the hell? Were those guys here?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “What the hell did they want?” He said, “They left me a contract. You read it. You’re in the TV business, you tell me.”

So I’m reading this thing and I go, “Oh, this is great, Don. They want all your artifacts, they want all your documents. They’re not going to pay you anything, but they’re going to let you be on the show for your 15 minutes of fame. This is a great contract. I’d sign it right away.” “I’m not signing that.” “Well, how about signing mine?”

AJ GENTILE: You did?

SCOTT WOLTER: I did. We signed a deal right there. I still can’t believe that. And then he hands me a manila envelope. And I opened the manila envelope and there’s a letter from Bill Jackson’s daughter, Melissa. Basically, she said she’s got a letter from her father from 1996. And he basically says, “I’m giving you this stuff because I don’t want your mother to get it.” His wife hated all this research. And he said, “If your mother gets it, she’ll throw it away. If anything happens to me, get this to Don.”

Well, Bill died in 2000, so obviously Melissa forgot. But in 2017, she found it. And she mailed it to Don. And that letter was in there. And she wrote a letter and said, “Dad told me, I’m sorry,” you know, blah, blah, blah. You know what was in there?

AJ GENTILE: What?

The Marriage Document of Jesus and Mary Magdalene

SCOTT WOLTER: Page one of the story. We remember that story of de Sudley going over to recover the scrolls. He got half the scrolls and he wintered over — half the actual scrolls that were at the Temple of the Goddess. This is 1179.

AJ GENTILE: Wow.

SCOTT WOLTER: And then they wintered over, sailed back. And then in 1180, he gave his deposition in front of the Grand Master and agents of the Church. They each made copies. That’s what we got. But he said one of the most — the most important document that he was able to recover was the marriage document of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

AJ GENTILE: Wow. The marriage document.

SCOTT WOLTER: And that was in 1180. So half the scrolls are still there. So now Melissa gives us this sheet and it’s filled with Theban.

AJ GENTILE: And what’s Theban?

The Book of the Wars of the Lord and the Angel K

SCOTT WOLTER: Theban is an alphabet, a secret alphabet that was used by the Templars that was developed sometime around 1250, we think. In any case, a lot of the documents that we would end up getting are in Theban, and you’re going to see some Theban today.

So anyway, that first page also had a cipher phrase at the top that it turns out you have to have to be able to decipher any of the Theban in Bill’s notes. He basically told the Church that the first page was missing. That was a lie. He sold the Church a worthless document. Boom. I love this guy. Now we’re starting to learn what he really did.

Long story short, over the course of the last almost — it’ll be nine years — half a dozen of the colleagues that Bill and Don worked with in this agency, this company, have died. And we know what Bill did. He disseminated the most important parts of the document to his colleagues with strict instructions upon their deaths. This material was to go to Don Roo.

Why Don? Well, the third one we got was a letter written from Bill to John Lennon. Not that John Lennon. John Lennon was with the agency, but he was also with Scotland Yard. And whenever they would go to the British Isles, he was the liaison that they would meet up with. And he and Bill were good friends, so he gave him some stuff.

But in the letter, he said, “Don and I were childhood friends. He is my best friend. He was the only one that took my research seriously.” And he was the youngest of the Spartan personnel, so he’s probably going to outlive us. And that’s exactly what’s happened. He’s the last man standing.

AJ GENTILE: Does he have all the material? Is it now all accounted for?

SCOTT WOLTER: It is.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: So now you know what Bill did. In 2022, Janet and I and Don went into the woods in the Upper Adirondacks. Hold that thought. In 1656, we have a letter that was written by Lionel de Walder in the 23rd. His name shows up in earlier documents. Remember this bloodline stuff we were talking about?

AJ GENTILE: I do.

SCOTT WOLTER: For sure.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: He writes a letter that says, “Flatlanders and Hollanders” — Dutch people — “are moving into the area. We got to get the stuff out of here.” And then he lists all the documents that they still had at the temple that were hidden in North America. One of them is something called the Book of the Wars of the Lord, which is mentioned in Numbers.

AJ GENTILE: This is allegedly a lost book of the Bible.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes, but no extant copy is known to exist today. That’s not true. We have two parts.

AJ GENTILE: You have that book.

SCOTT WOLTER: Remember those pictures?

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s what the Vatican wanted.

AJ GENTILE: Of course they did.

SCOTT WOLTER: Because in the Book of the Wars of the Lord, which we now have — Bill gave it to us in his weird way — there are two things that are problematic. We can read them if you want, but I’ll just tell you what’s in there.

AJ GENTILE: Tell us what’s in there.

SCOTT WOLTER: What’s problematic. One is that deity has an equal male-female counterpart. She is mentioned, and she is powerful.

AJ GENTILE: That’s problematic.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s a problem.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: The second part is aliens.

AJ GENTILE: In that book. What do they say about the aliens? How are they described?

Aliens, the Angel K, and the Yeshua Scrolls

SCOTT WOLTER: “I am the goddess, and I do battle for the sons of Dod — Dan — sons of Dan.” I’m trying to pull it up from my head. “You will leave this place, for I do battle for the sons of Dan.” And they kept marching. And then she calls down a silver beast with wings like a bird that spat lightning bolts into the water. And the horses of the chariots died. And the men shook as with palsy and died because they entered the shallows of the water.

But in the other part of the Book of the Wars of the Lord, and in one of the encrypted messages, this name keeps turning up.

AJ GENTILE: The Angel K. The Angel K. I’m not familiar with that.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, in one of the encrypted messages, it says, “I saw the lights again. The right one descended upon my winter lodge. And there stood the likeness of Amman” — not a man. This is in Scripto Continua, but it’s A-M-O-N. I kept trying to make it an A, but Janet said it’s a freaking O and it’s “I’m on.”

“He spake in — I saw around him, around his eyes, a light blue color. He spake into me in the tongue of the people. He said, ‘Can ye understand me?’ I said, ‘Yay.’ But yet that’s not my native tongue.” So he switched to telepathy. Wow. And so he sends him on a mission.

Now, remember I told you about the letter where they got to get the stuff out of there?

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: They took it to Montreal, hence the stone we found. And lots of messages tell us that’s what they did. But on the way up through the Adirondacks, they diverted and they buried the Book of the Wars of the Lord in a different place. That was in 16-something. This message I just gave you was in 1898. And of course I thought the runestone was going to show.

AJ GENTILE: Right, of course.

SCOTT WOLTER: It had nothing to do with the runestone, but that’s what it says. And what the Angel K told the scribe at the time, who was updating the Templar records — and he finished that job in 1908 — that’s what all this is. It’s the last update.

He said, “Get the Book of the Wars of the Lord.” And he sent him on the mission to go get it, and he got it and he gave it to the Angel K, who said, “The book is no longer amongst the world of men.” Which begs the question, why did the aliens take it back? Because in 1898, was the world ready for a dual-gendered God religion?

AJ GENTILE: No.

SCOTT WOLTER: Was the world ready for aliens?

AJ GENTILE: Nope.

SCOTT WOLTER: If you Google right now “Book of the Wars of the Lord,” I just told you what it said. There is no extant copy. We have two parts, and this is what’s in it. And that’s why they took it back. So of course that freaked me out.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Because I’m a science guy. And I’m not saying — well, I’ve been dealing with this for several years now because I was approached by the government. You heard about that, right?

AJ GENTILE: No. You were approached by the government?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah.

AJ GENTILE: To do what?

SCOTT WOLTER: Help with disclosure.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, don’t take that gig.

SCOTT WOLTER: After this, I’ll tell you the story.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Did not end well.

AJ GENTILE: I’m glad. Don’t take that gig.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah.

AJ GENTILE: In any case, even as a scientist, a silver beast and a thing is shooting fire — it can only be one thing.

SCOTT WOLTER: The first time I gave a lecture and I talked about it — this was about three years ago now — I was with a group of people that are open-minded. And I said, “People, help me. This is not my jam. This isn’t what I do.” And they’re all laughing.

AJ GENTILE: Scott, it’s right there. It’s right there.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes, it took me a while to go there because I did not see this stuff that I’ve been working on with Don since I met him in 2006.

AJ GENTILE: That reluctance is important to us though, that you don’t just jump on the next theory.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, I’ve jumped now. I know, because I have no choice. I can’t interpret it any other way. But there’s more. Okay, so now let’s go forward.

At one point, we went to that place to look for the scroll before we got the message that told us that it was gone. But there was some stuff there. We found a cool little treasure of coins and crosses, and that’s a whole other story.

AJ GENTILE: Templar treasure.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yep.

AJ GENTILE: Okay. You have that?

SCOTT WOLTER: We do.

AJ GENTILE: Can you show the world that or no?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. We were going to reveal it in the book, but we’ll do that maybe another time.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s cool stuff. Really cool stuff. Tim just goes — I didn’t even know — that one cross with the symbols on it, he goes, “Yeah, that’s in my signature.” And I looked at his signature. Sure enough, it was there.

AJ GENTILE: Yep. Tim knows everything about this.

Roberta’s Documents and the Hidden Message

SCOTT WOLTER: And we were walking out — Janet and I and Don were walking out of the woods, and it’s kind of rugged back there. Nothing out there. No houses, no roads. Way out there. And I said to Don, “Is there anyone left? Any more of your colleagues?”

“Well, McMasters is living, but he and Bill didn’t get along. He wouldn’t give him anything.” Then he sat there for a minute and he goes, “Bill had a girlfriend.”

AJ GENTILE: Oh.

SCOTT WOLTER: As it turns out, she died two years previous. But she gave everything to her cousin who goes simply by the name Roberta. She doesn’t want her using her name. Don found her about four months later, and that’s a cool story. And she had a bunch of stuff. A bunch of stuff.

AJ GENTILE: What did she have?

SCOTT WOLTER: Including this message. Well, that’s a key. That’s Cly. That was done around circa 1908. What do you see?

AJ GENTILE: Well, first thing that jumps out is “Veritas vos liberat” — “The truth shall set you free.” Is that what that is? Is that Theban?

SCOTT WOLTER: What else do you see? See that cross right there? That’s one of the crosses we found — one exactly like that. That’s the Five Wounds of Christ cross. But it has a totally different meaning in Templarism. And Tim will tell you that.

AJ GENTILE: What does it mean in Templarism?

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m going to let Tim tell you. Some things I think are for him to say. Now, this is a strange friggin’ alphabet.

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: But we have a key right here. And then on the back we have a message, but that’s not what’s important. Did you ever see the movie National Treasure? Do you remember what they used to do? Bring out the secret message on the back of the Declaration of Independence.

AJ GENTILE: And they used heat or light?

SCOTT WOLTER: They used lemon juice.

AJ GENTILE: Lemon juice and heat.

SCOTT WOLTER: Remember, the message would come and it would cool down and disappear. You know what else works?

AJ GENTILE: Black light will do that also. We learned this in the Boy Scouts with the lemon juice. I can’t be the one to read that. That’s unbelievable.

SCOTT WOLTER: “The Yeshua scroll is not at our lodge.” Now, remember on the letter in 1656, the documents that they still had to get out of there — one of the things that’s mentioned is eight Yeshua scrolls.

AJ GENTILE: Eight Yeshua scrolls.

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay, we have another message where the Angel K says to Cly — the guy that did this work, who went and got the Book of the Wars of the Lord — he said, “Take the Yeshua scrolls, pick one, burn the rest.”

I’ll go with the Sulpicians. Montreal was settled by the Sulpicians, which is a branch of the order that came from St. Sulpice in Paris, France, which is just a few blocks down the street from Notre Dame Cathedral, which is about two blocks away from that plaque that Tim told you about, where Jacques de Molay was not burned at the stake — roasted.

AJ GENTILE: He was roasted at the stake.

SCOTT WOLTER: He was roasted so he would suffer more.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: So.

AJ GENTILE: So Montreal is a Templar city.

SCOTT WOLTER: Hell, yeah.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

The Yeshua Scroll: A False Flag and a Float Plane

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s a great story, too. “The Yeshua scroll is not at our lodge. We went back to the old land and laid it in the dirt where the bear eats the moon. It is a right bite. Talico.” Talico was Cly’s indigenous name. He was married to an indigenous woman. This is late 1800s, early 1900s. What the hell is he talking about?

AJ GENTILE: I don’t know.

SCOTT WOLTER: I do.

AJ GENTILE: Is he giving indication where that scroll is?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes. So there’s one scroll.

AJ GENTILE: Why burn the rest?

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay, I was upset when I read that. That’s in a different document. But I was extremely upset when that happened.

So that takes us all the way to — Roberta gave us a bunch of five, six encrypted messages. One was invisible, but the rest were coded. Everyone is different. That’s the thing about these encrypted messages — everyone’s different. Some will have a different cipher phrase. They use different alphabets. Some are in Theban. And just because you get one doesn’t mean you’re going to get the rest. They’re all different. But we’ve done so many of these, and of course Don has a lot of experience. We’ve been able to figure them out.

AJ GENTILE: So you’ve been able to figure out the cipher phrases?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes. And we’re going to do one.

Don McMasters and the Estate Documents

Okay, so flash forward now to last June. I’m at the Cosmic Summit, speaking — literally giving a lecture. Don calls me, but I was speaking, so I had my phone off. I didn’t know. I get off the stage. Oh, Don. I get a loan. I go, “Don, McMasters died.” What? I thought he and Bill didn’t get along. Well, apparently they got along. And in July, he drove down to New Jersey to meet with the executor of his estate. And he gave him two things. This. Wow.

AJ GENTILE: So McMasters was holding out. Roberta didn’t have everything.

SCOTT WOLTER: What do you see?

AJ GENTILE: I see characters and then a Roman date.

SCOTT WOLTER: And you see what at the bottom? That’s Cly’s Sigla.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: And that’s a pseudonym, by the way. Clyphas Licinius Jarbo. But every scribe throughout the tradition took on the same name because what they’re doing is updating the Templar records and their treasure maps. If you’re the scribe for the Templars and you’re doing their treasure maps, do you think maybe some people might want to talk to you?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, I’m going to use a different name.

SCOTT WOLTER: Use a different name. But they use the same name throughout time.

AJ GENTILE: But shouldn’t the Templars — shouldn’t Templars want to copy this again and pass this down? Isn’t that part of the…

SCOTT WOLTER: This is the last.

AJ GENTILE: This is it.

SCOTT WOLTER: This was the last. It says in another message, this is the last. Last done in 1908. And that’s when this guy was around. And that’s everything. The papers all seem to fit. Although this stuff is more modern. And you’ll see why in a sec.

AJ GENTILE: Why would it be the last time? Is it mission complete?

SCOTT WOLTER: You want me to be totally honest?

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: I think that they knew what was coming. They understood procession. They knew it was going to hit the fan.

AJ GENTILE: It’s all happening at once.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s all happening right now.

AJ GENTILE: It’s happening right now.

The Storm Before the Light

SCOTT WOLTER: And I don’t want to get too over the top, but this is a big deal. What’s happening right now in the world — everything that’s happening — it’s like everything’s spinning backwards. But as we talked about, after the storm comes the light. If you get through the storm.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: So what you and I are doing right now, and what Tim is doing, and a lot of our other people that are of like mind and like goals — when I say to people, I want to make the world a better place, I’ve been saying this for a long time. Not just for you and me, but our children and our grandchildren and the ones we’ll never meet. We’ve had a wonderful upbringing. This is an amazing world. It’s a beautiful world. And people are wonderful. You’re a great dude, man. I’m having a ball.

AJ GENTILE: Me too.

SCOTT WOLTER: But I want my kids to experience that. I want my grandkids to. So we got to get the job done here. Right now.

AJ GENTILE: I agree. I worry about what my son’s kids are going to live through.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. I mean, it’s time for us to raise our swords.

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: And go to battle.

AJ GENTILE: I agree.

The Theban Message and the Adirondacks

SCOTT WOLTER: And this is our sword right here. So here’s what this one says in Theban: “Due to increasing storms, the Order thinks the scroll is not safe. Now we move to the mainland. Trees cut, stumps remain. Moss covered in Roman numbers.” 1933.

Now, Sherlock here initially thought “increasing storms” meant weather. I’ve been to where this place is, obviously, and I thought, gee, it would take a lot of rain for the water to go up. And then all of a sudden — Jerry Ludkin said, “Scott, I think it’s a metaphor.” And I’m like, oh, hello. Events leading up to World War II, sure. The Nazis.

AJ GENTILE: So move from where? Where were these artifacts?

SCOTT WOLTER: On an island.

AJ GENTILE: Were they — is it Oak Island?

SCOTT WOLTER: No, no. In a lake in the Adirondacks. Way the hell out there. To this day — no roads, no cabins, no houses, nothing.

So in 1934, there was supposed to be a meeting of all the extant Templar orders that still existed in Europe. And it was called the Council of Fiduci. And what they were going to do is figure out what they were going to do with the secrets that they were holding.

Now, Tim may have told you this, but the Nazis were not just rounding up Jews and gays and people they didn’t like — they were also rounding up Freemasons. Because in Freemasonry, as you go through, you’re being vetted and you might be invited to other orders, depending on certain things. I know that because it’s happened to me. So if you round up all of the Freemasons, you’re going to get Templars, too. And they probably would be interrogated and tortured and give up information.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah. Hitler wanted all this stuff.

SCOTT WOLTER: He wanted all of it. And you know that. He was fascinated with the Templars. The Grail. But he was interested in what they knew. One of those things was technology, like the Bell Project. Anti-gravity. Die Glocke.

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: He got that from the Templars.

AJ GENTILE: From the Templars. It’s a Templar secret that supposedly comes from Vimanas back in ancient times. Could be Atlantean technology.

SCOTT WOLTER: I would put my money there. Yeah, definitely.

Captain Marshawn and the False Flag

So the Council never happened. So a lot of those orders that survived fled to the United States and hid their stuff over here, including the Yeshua Scroll. Now, the next part says, “Captain Marshawn repackages and reburies the scroll.” And then he says some more stuff I forget now. 1953.

AJ GENTILE: Okay, okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Cly the 23rd. So this isn’t a family thing. Whoever the document reproducer was, it is a tradition that was passed on. The Cistercians and the Templars had scriptoriums in their monasteries, and they had brothers — all they did was copy and recopy manuscripts. So this is expected. This isn’t, “Wow, that’s cool.” This is expected.

So on the back, though, is another invisible message.

AJ GENTILE: There is?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah.

AJ GENTILE: Where’s your…

SCOTT WOLTER: Where’s your light? Oh, there it is.

AJ GENTILE: There is.

SCOTT WOLTER: Can you read it? I know it’s hard to read.

AJ GENTILE: “Captain Marshawn dies, 1903. Exact…”

SCOTT WOLTER: 73.

AJ GENTILE: 73. “Exact location of scroll lost to us.”

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes.

AJ GENTILE: With a hooked X.

SCOTT WOLTER: With a hooked X.

AJ GENTILE: There’s the hooked X again.

SCOTT WOLTER: So I read this —

AJ GENTILE: Oh, no.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I’m like, I’m not wasting my time on this. But I think what happened is, if a bad guy got a hold of this — and clearly they were worried because they moved the scroll — maybe some Nazi spies were coming over. Well, since they mentioned Captain Marshawn, “We’d like to have a talk with him.” “Oh, he’s dead. Can’t talk to him.”

AJ GENTILE: Scroll’s gone.

SCOTT WOLTER: “And maybe we should talk to the…” “Oh, we don’t know where it is.” It almost turned me off to go look for the scroll.

AJ GENTILE: So that’s a red herring.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s a false flag.

AJ GENTILE: False flag.

SCOTT WOLTER: Exactly. It’s a red herring. And it almost worked on me. But I don’t want to be an older man and go, “I wish I would have gone.”

AJ GENTILE: No.

The Map and the Float Plane

SCOTT WOLTER: So we went. And McMasters’ estate gave Don something else. This map.

AJ GENTILE: That map — we’ll put these on the screen for everybody — but it looks like two islands.

SCOTT WOLTER: So they moved them from these islands —

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: — to the mainland. Now, you see those four dots?

AJ GENTILE: I do.

SCOTT WOLTER: Those are giant glacial boulders that are taller than this table.

AJ GENTILE: So you found this place?

SCOTT WOLTER: Been there.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes. We took a float plane in because there’s no roads there. We rented a float plane, we flew in, and this guy brings fishermen in.

AJ GENTILE: It says “scroll” there. Is that buried? Is that the scroll?

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s the scroll. So if you go back to — that’s a whole other thing that has to do with the skull. But we digress.

Okay, so right here, it says 320 degrees, 138 feet. And from this right boulder, it says 138 feet with what kind of looks like that. So we go there and I pull out my compass, and those four glacial boulders are sitting right on the edge of the shore. I stand in front of the one, I set my compass to 320 degrees, paced off 138 feet. Got the metal detector out. Ding, ding, ding.

AJ GENTILE: You’re kidding me.

SCOTT WOLTER: Dug it up. There’s a little aluminum vessel for camping cooking.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: Camping garbage. But when you have your compass, you could be off by a couple degrees. And even at 138 feet, you could be off by tens of feet.

AJ GENTILE: Sure.

SCOTT WOLTER: So we just went in an arc, moved up a little bit, kind of on the top of this little hill. Ding, ding, ding. Got another hit. 1950s era Coke can.

AJ GENTILE: Are you killing me?

SCOTT WOLTER: Moved over a little bit more. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. The first thing I pulled out was a 10-inch long aluminum nail. And I’m like, this isn’t trash. Maybe somebody dropped it. Or maybe not. Ding, ding, ding, ding. It’s still banging. And now we’re right up against a stump that had been cut, covered with moss. And it was old because I could just tear it apart with my hands. So I started digging.

AJ GENTILE: Did you connect it with the message at this point? The moss-covered stump?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, of course. Yeah. Hell, yeah.

AJ GENTILE: When were you up there?

SCOTT WOLTER: August.

AJ GENTILE: See, this just happened.

The Buried Jar and Its Contents

SCOTT WOLTER: This just happened. So I’m digging, and my friends kept dinging like this. And all of a sudden I reach in under, literally going under the stump, and I pull this out. And I’m standing here like this. And there was a metal can on top. And I’m like, no way. But my heart was saying way. And it was filled with sand. Inside the jar, totally filled with sand. But I could see. I was moving it like this, and I could see little black things in there. They look like coins. The top. When you took the tin top off or the metal top off, this was covered in wax. Sealed with wax.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: Because there was paper inside.

AJ GENTILE: Sure.

SCOTT WOLTER: And so I took that aluminum nail and I knocked off and then I poured the sand and what I thought were coins and this long scroll, which was wrapped in this beautiful orange designer placemat that had a little design on it and a signature. We tracked it down. It was a designer napkin made by an artist on the east coast that did beautiful work. We found that exact same placemat was made between 1950 and 1957. 1953.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: This prune juice jar was made by a company that started making these in the 1940s. That works.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: The paper we’re about to show you was 1880s from Wausau, Wisconsin. Everything fit. So we unwrap the paper carefully, and the first thing we get is this. Now these are copies.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah. Now this is. Wow. This is Italian.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. That was the first thing we saw.

AJ GENTILE: So I can translate this.

SCOTT WOLTER: And it says.

AJ GENTILE: It says, “The power. The power of the glorious God is within us and with other people.”

Decoding the Message

SCOTT WOLTER: Basically what it’s saying is that the power of God is within all of us and surrounds you and other people. The way I look at that, you go to a concert and you’re vibing.

AJ GENTILE: The energy.

SCOTT WOLTER: And the energy. Or you have a really good conversation with somebody that you just hit it off with. That’s that energy that they’re talking about.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, that’s a real thing.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s a real thing. And everybody can identify when they have a magic moment with other people.

AJ GENTILE: You know, this makes me think of Gnosticism as well.

SCOTT WOLTER: Exactly.

AJ GENTILE: The power of God is within you.

SCOTT WOLTER: So what’s below there?

AJ GENTILE: This is some type of formula.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah.

AJ GENTILE: I don’t recognize it.

SCOTT WOLTER: I don’t recognize it either, but other people do. And basically it has to do with quantum physics.

AJ GENTILE: What? Do you know more about that?

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, but I think we want to get to the best part.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, we do.

SCOTT WOLTER: This is a whole other deal.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: This collective is crazy. So then we opened it up and we got six pages. Three pages with stuff on each side.

AJ GENTILE: These came out of the green jar.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah.

AJ GENTILE: Are these actual size?

SCOTT WOLTER: Actual size.

AJ GENTILE: So just grids of characters and numbers. I think you said this is scriptura continua, meaning just one long line of text.

SCOTT WOLTER: There’s some areas that give us a little bit of help. But it’s basically scriptura continua.

AJ GENTILE: So the cryptography nerds will know what that is. And this, the cipher phrase, would be a Vigenère cipher.

SCOTT WOLTER: I just want you to hold this piece right here. Okay.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

Two Days in the Hotel

SCOTT WOLTER: Because after we found this, of course, the first thing we do is drive right down to Don. Don had gotten in a car accident at the end of May and broke his shoulder. And he was messed up. He couldn’t go with us. So the first thing I did was I made copies of this and I gave it to him. And then we went to the hotel and we started deciphering. We didn’t leave the hotel for two days.

AJ GENTILE: How did you know how to decipher this?

SCOTT WOLTER: It took time.

AJ GENTILE: I bet. Okay, so this is on the last will and testament.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. Isn’t that weird?

AJ GENTILE: That’s weird.

SCOTT WOLTER: I don’t know what that is, but that’s what it says.

AJ GENTILE: Everything means something to me.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yes, well, as it should. Okay, so the first eight lines. There’s that number again.

AJ GENTILE: How many columns are there? 6, 9, 12, 15, 17.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah, so here’s what that. And this is just one to one letter substitution. This one was easy. I did this one in 45 minutes. This is what it says:

“The 325 year compilation of old and new writings is not the infallible word of God, but the fallible compilation of the Roman Catholic Church to support their doctrine.”

AJ GENTILE: Oh, my goodness.

SCOTT WOLTER: That is the most succinct and perfect way to sum up the Council of Nicaea.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, it is.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s beautiful. We got that right away. And so you know what we did then?

AJ GENTILE: What?

SCOTT WOLTER: Tighten the seatbelts.

The Poor Knights of Christ

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, that’s heavy.

SCOTT WOLTER: The next part, which is six lines of strange characters.

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: That alphabet we’ve seen before, but this was slightly modified. Same characters with additions. But we recognized that. We were able to figure it out. It says this: “Translated from the original Aramaic by Brother Simon for the Poor Knights of Christ.”

AJ GENTILE: The Templars.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s what they used to be called before they were called the Templars. Now I got all hung up on “The Poor Knights of Christ.” What the hell’s the…

AJ GENTILE: Right. What is that?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, guess who figured it out? Don. Usually it’s the goddess, right?

AJ GENTILE: It usually is.

SCOTT WOLTER: It was Don. He goes, “It’s a tell.” And then I went, oh, my God. The first “the” is telling you the rest is the cipher. “Holy Four Knights of Christ” is the cipher.

AJ GENTILE: The cipher phrase. Hollywood’s going to want a word with you.

SCOTT WOLTER: Guess how many letters are in that cipher phrase.

AJ GENTILE: How many?

SCOTT WOLTER: How many bones in your skull? Again?

AJ GENTILE: What did we say, 22? 22.

SCOTT WOLTER: None of this is coincidence.

AJ GENTILE: No, it’s not.

The Grail Code on the Kensington Runestone

SCOTT WOLTER: The next part, which is in numbers.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: “Encrypted by Brother Leonidas for the Order of the Grail, 1897.” So let me tell you one thing we did not talk about on the Kensington Runestone. Remember I talked about the codes. I told you about the dating code.

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: I didn’t tell you about the Grail code.

AJ GENTILE: No.

SCOTT WOLTER: The first four letters. Remember I did that microscopic work and I put them in the folder.

AJ GENTILE: Yes. The Unknown Mystery Runes or…

SCOTT WOLTER: The first thing was the number eight. The very next thing is the word G in “Gotlander.” And there’s an extra dot in the upper right arm that doesn’t belong there. Went in the folder. The next letter singled out was the letter R that had a dot right through the lower right leg. You can’t miss it. Doesn’t belong there. Put it in the folder. The next thing was a hooked X that had another hook. Normally the hooked X has a little hook in the upper right arm.

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: This one had a hook on the lower left leg. Put it in the folder. By the way, the hooked X is being used on the Kensington Runestone for the letter A. And it looks remarkably like the Hebrew A — a straight line, stonemason’s version of the Hebrew aleph.

AJ GENTILE: The letter A, which is the first

SCOTT WOLTER: letter in the Hebrew alphabet. It’s being used for the letter A within the Kensington inscription.

AJ GENTILE: So we’ve got G, R, A in the folder.

SCOTT WOLTER: Remember that funny L?

AJ GENTILE: Oh, no. You’re kidding me.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, there’s another one.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: That has the one I talked about, which is the dating code in “Esclar Sinclair.” That goes all the way across on both of the vertical lines. But there’s another one just before that. An L that has a little mark on one side. Put that in the folder. What do we have?

AJ GENTILE: G, R, A, L — which in medieval

SCOTT WOLTER: Old Swedish is “grail.” That grail. Could this be the same order?

AJ GENTILE: It has to be. Too many things line up.

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m liking it.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: And you know what? I’m going with it.

AJ GENTILE: I think you have to. Everything just lines up.

The Scroll’s Hidden Message

SCOTT WOLTER: This is too much. Okay. Now we’re going to get into the meat, and then we’re going to get to the finale. So the rest of this is numbers that go on for that page. The next page on the other side.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: This page and that page all the way to here.

AJ GENTILE: Why do we have spaces here? Do those mean something?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, just in the beginning.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I think maybe they were trying to help. I don’t know.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: But it goes all the way to here. Okay. But I don’t want you to see this yet.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I’m just going to read it. MF.

AJ GENTILE: MF.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s what it says. MF equals MG.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: You can do it.

AJ GENTILE: MF equals MG.

SCOTT WOLTER: It’s an acronym.

AJ GENTILE: Male, female.

SCOTT WOLTER: Close. My Father.

AJ GENTILE: My Father.

SCOTT WOLTER: My…

AJ GENTILE: My Goddess. My Father or Goddess.

SCOTT WOLTER: You know what, why couldn’t it be the goddess we assumed? See, what you have to be careful of is assuming. You just said goddess, but we said “My God.” Let’s see. Okay, let’s keep going.

So MF — My Father — equals MG. So it’s either My God or My Goddess Father.

“Genesis chapter one. ‘Let us make man in our own image.’ Genesis chapter one plus three, five, sixteen. ‘Let us make man in our image. In the image of God made he him.’ To make more, he needed a female. So Eve. They made Cain and Abel. Cain slew Abel and MF put his mark on him. I, H, N.”

What’s IHN?

AJ GENTILE: In his name.

SCOTT WOLTER: Right. That’s what we think. “And banished him to Nod so none there would kill him. But if Adam, Eve, Cain are the only people, who is in Nod?” Hello. How can they be the first people? They got banished to a city that’s got people. Know this. Then they were not the first people, but the first Jews.

“Chapter six, five, two. Chapter 652. It says it twice. I don’t know why. ‘And the sons of MF saw the daughters of men and found them pleasing in their sight. And came and knew them. And they settled in the land of Nod, where Cain was sent, so their children enjoyed life for its pleasures. Both male and female.'”

AJ GENTILE: Oh, my.

The Scroll’s Hidden Message: “I, Not Entirely Human”

SCOTT WOLTER: “This does not procreate or honor MF. So he destroyed them all. But flood nor fire succeeded. Thus the sons and daughters of natural man filled the earth. Yet nowhere did they mate with a Jew. Till Lisbon.”

So let’s back up. I take this as homosexuality is okay. That’s—

AJ GENTILE: That’s what I read.

SCOTT WOLTER: I’ve always thought that not my goddamn business what happens in people’s bedrooms.

AJ GENTILE: That’s right. But this is a problem.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, or is it?

AJ GENTILE: It’s not for me, but it’s a problem for the church.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, they might have to rethink that.

AJ GENTILE: Good luck with that.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. Well, it gets better. “Till Elizabeth,” who I think is referring to the mother of John the Baptist.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: “This does not procreate the sons and daughters. Natural man filled the earth. Nowhere did they mate with a Jew. To Elizabeth.” Who’s they?

AJ GENTILE: Who’s they?

SCOTT WOLTER: “Seeing it work in six weeks, showing signs of being pregnant.”

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: “The angel Anton came and knew my mother.” What’s happening here?

AJ GENTILE: What is going on here?

SCOTT WOLTER: You tell me.

AJ GENTILE: You tell me.

SCOTT WOLTER: No, you tell me.

AJ GENTILE: Angel Anton—

SCOTT WOLTER: “knew my mother.” Who’s talking? Holy—

AJ GENTILE: Is this an autobiography? Is this Yeshua’s autobiography in the first person?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, if you’re not sure, now you’re going to be.

AJ GENTILE: Oh, okay. I’ll watch my language.

SCOTT WOLTER: No, you can say whatever you want. It’s your show.

“But Jan and I chose MF. Then know this. Adam and Eve could read or write. Thus the tree of life was not a tree, but a book that spoke the fruit. Chapters numbered 1, 2, 3, etc. So MF looked like man except for intelligence. Hence the book to store it all. MF and his wife Ashura, called Wisdom, who was referred to as Wisdom in the book of the wars of the Lord, who calls down the silver beast. Her name was Wisdom.”

She’s right here again. “Rebuked his brother for having led Eve to open the book and sent him out of earth to Arcturus.”

AJ GENTILE: To Arcturus the star. What is Yeshua on about?

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m just saying, man. I’m not saying. I’m just saying, okay? This is what it says. And I can say this — we got this, right? This isn’t some screw up. And when this is published — and I’m going to publish this — you can decipher it for yourself. If you need help, I’ll help you. It’s not easy. It’s freaking hard, but this is what it says.

“But he returns when called for. Many follow him here. What of the serpent? Natural female. Mated with my uncle and got the creature with legs that crawled from the waters. And over time came to be natural man, strong and large of stature, worshiping its ancestor.”

AJ GENTILE: This is Jesus talking about evolution.

SCOTT WOLTER: “A fork in the road became the snake, another natural man and woman. So if you follow me, whether you turn right or left, you will hear a voice behind you saying, ‘This is the way. Walk in it.'”

That’s what it says. There’s a lot to unpack there.

AJ GENTILE: There is.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I don’t think we’re going to do all that today.

AJ GENTILE: No.

SCOTT WOLTER: But I want you to look at something.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: This is the end right here.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: See the numbers?

AJ GENTILE: Yes.

SCOTT WOLTER: There’s something in English right here. The last line. What does it say?

AJ GENTILE: “As I am allowed to say.” Boom.

SCOTT WOLTER: Nobody gets it that fast. Good job.

AJ GENTILE: Okay, is that Yeshua saying that? And who would not permit him to say—

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay, well, we’ll answer that question right now. Another notch — it’s going to get real now, brother. So this is the message. Okay, so now look at that page.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: And turn it long way. Yep. Now, you see these letters? How many of these are on that page?

AJ GENTILE: How many letters? No.

SCOTT WOLTER: Rows of letters or lines of letters. No, no, this is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Six. Okay, now flip it over and count the lines.

AJ GENTILE: 6 plus 6 plus—

SCOTT WOLTER: Just go right down.

AJ GENTILE: Seventeen plus six.

SCOTT WOLTER: No, it’s 22.

AJ GENTILE: I didn’t count the blank line.

SCOTT WOLTER: No, you don’t count them.

AJ GENTILE: It’s 22.

The Cipher Decoded

SCOTT WOLTER: 22. Okay, so remember the cipher phrase?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Okay, so what you do is this. You set up a grid system, which I did. I did this part, and you just put “the power of God” or “the poor knights of Christ.” “The power of God is within you” is another one from other messages. “The poor knights of Christ.” Then what you do is you start with the letter A. No. A in that. No. B in that. C. Christ. You take this first row of letters right here.

AJ GENTILE: Yep.

SCOTT WOLTER: You go to the C and you put it this way. These letters that are horizontal, you put this way. Then you go to D and you go to E. The — and you pull the next line. You put that under the E. The first E. The next line. If there’s A, follow me. I do the alphabet.

AJ GENTILE: It’s a shift. Yes, it’s a shift.

SCOTT WOLTER: All 22 lines, fill in. And then you read it this way. That’s how you do it. This is what that says.

“I. Not entirely human.”

AJ GENTILE: Oh, my goodness. That’s what that says. “I, not entirely human.” Oh my goodness.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, didn’t he kind of allude to that before?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, he did.

SCOTT WOLTER: Haven’t we been kind of prepped on this with these freaking messages for the last several years?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, he’s from Arcturus.

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m not saying.

AJ GENTILE: You’re just reading the message.

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m just reading the message.

“I, not entirely human. A rupture of the small intestines was not enough to kill me. I slowed my breath and was declared dead. My cousin of my father’s side had me rest in the family tomb.”

Boom.

AJ GENTILE: Until Easter. I — I guess Talpiot, the family tomb. Oh, and is the rupture of the intestine the Spear of Destiny? Got to be, on the cross.

SCOTT WOLTER: And you know it’s right.

AJ GENTILE: It’s right there.

SCOTT WOLTER: The intestines come way up.

AJ GENTILE: So he didn’t die on the cross. He slowed his breath.

SCOTT WOLTER: Remember, he’s not entirely human.

AJ GENTILE: That’s what he said.

SCOTT WOLTER: He said. I’m not saying. He said it.

AJ GENTILE: I’m not going to argue with him.

SCOTT WOLTER: Now that I know he’s alien, I’m not — for sure — not going to argue with them.

“My cousin of my father’s — Earth father’s side — had me rest in the family tomb. I healed myself and my wife came and freed me.”

AJ GENTILE: Mary Magdalene, who was there. She was there when he leaves the tomb at the resurrection. Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: “We traveled to the north and preached a joint religion of male and female.”

You know where the north is?

AJ GENTILE: Where?

SCOTT WOLTER: Scotland.

AJ GENTILE: That’s where they preached.

SCOTT WOLTER: Went to France first and then to Scotland, beyond Hadrian’s Wall, to the isle of Iona.

AJ GENTILE: And there are local legends, all kinds of them, talking about Jesus.

SCOTT WOLTER: I’ve been there. Yeah.

“We bore two children, Judah and Sarah.” We know their names. “Returned to Jerusalem and finally I ascended to my father. My body returned to my cousin’s family tomb.”

I was doing a happy dance when I read that.

“I know my spirit will return at the end of the sixth day. June 6th. By the new counting, 2,999 at 6pm, so said my father. But beware. 6, 6, 26. At 6pm.”

AJ GENTILE: This June, he—

SCOTT WOLTER: I’m just reading it. That’s my interpretation.

AJ GENTILE: Well, the Council of Nicaea would have rearranged the calendar by now — by when this was written. Yes. So he — he would know those dates, would he?

SCOTT WOLTER: Six. Six. June 6th of this year. Now you know why I said to you earlier, there’s an urgency here.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah. And the other year — is that the Hebrew year?

SCOTT WOLTER: “By the new counting.” I interpret that to be the renumbering, 900 years from now.

AJ GENTILE: Okay.

SCOTT WOLTER: 2,999 at 6pm.

“Also, be not fooled by the false prophet” — spelled P, R, O, F, I, T. We checked it. “And his clone, who will rise on the third day after his death.” Clone.

AJ GENTILE: Clone — he shouldn’t know what that word even is. I know. We’re just reading it.

SCOTT WOLTER: “Know this. In the beginning was the Word, and that word was God. There was none before him, there was none after him. The word is eternal.”

AJ GENTILE: And that concludes the scroll.

SCOTT WOLTER: That’s it.

What Does This Mean for Us?

AJ GENTILE: What do you think this means for us?

SCOTT WOLTER: I think it’s talking about right now. And I think 6, 6, 26 is right now. The question is — look, I mean, this is incredible, okay? Because what’s happening, it’s like this backwards spinning is spinning faster and faster every day. Literally every day. And what is the date? It’s almost March 1st. March, April, May, June. That’s a little over three months from now.

AJ GENTILE: And what does he think is going to happen? He can’t—

SCOTT WOLTER: What it says is beware. But beware.

AJ GENTILE: But you can’t help but connect that to 666 even.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, here’s something that’s interesting. What’s 6 plus 6? 12. Plus 6pm — 18. Plus 6, back to 24 again.

AJ GENTILE: Plus 2, 26, divide by 2, then 13 again. So the sacred geometry shows up in this as well.

SCOTT WOLTER: I mean, I’m at a loss.

AJ GENTILE: So, A.J.—

SCOTT WOLTER: I mean, I’m just blown away by this. And I just think this is why I want to get this out.

AJ GENTILE: So if this is real, his descendants walk among us now.

Government Contact and Disclosure

SCOTT WOLTER: Remember when I told you I was contacted about disclosure?

AJ GENTILE: Yeah.

SCOTT WOLTER: Just in a nutshell. This guy called me and told me that he was with the government and with the DoD — with NASIC, the National Air and Space Intelligence Center.

AJ GENTILE: That Intelligence Center.

SCOTT WOLTER: Intelligence Center, is that right? Okay.

AJ GENTILE: Their logo is a sphinx with a stone.

SCOTT WOLTER: I think that’s right. Yeah. This is about six, seven, eight years ago. Anyway, he said — and I said, “Why are you calling me?” And he said, “Well, you know, you have a platform and you seem to be credible and, you know, blah, blah, blah.” And I said, “Well, how do I know you are who you say you are?” So we went through that process and he actually came and stayed with us three times. And then once he convinced me that he was who he said he was — at least in my mind — then I was given materials to read and online

AJ GENTILE: stuff and talking points to say. Yeah,

The Pentagon, Disclosure, and Final Thoughts

SCOTT WOLTER: We went through and came up with talking points. But as this was happening, there was other stuff happening. Like the 20th anniversary of working at the Pentagon after 9/11. And the guy that I worked with who was in charge of the whole thing, Alan Kilsheimer, was having a 20 year gathering of everybody that worked at the Pentagon. And I was invited and I was getting ready to go.

As we got closer and closer, our friend who went by the name of Holden, which I knew was not his real name, and that’s fine, I didn’t really care. He and I were getting to know each other and we would talk about things. And he told me about his personal life, like his being recruited out basically right out of high school, because he was a smart guy. And he started off with the government doing boots on the ground stuff, going after human traffickers is what he told me.

And then when he was about 30, as I recall, he said that he was in one mission and they were going after a bunch of kids and one of the guys that was holding them had a bomb and blew himself up. And he was on the other side of the wall and he got hurt bad to the point where he could no longer do boots on the ground stuff that obviously he was very proud of and he enjoyed. So they gave him a desk job. And this was his desk job. He had demons and it was quite obvious. And actually he and Jerry got into it one time. We had Jerry over for a dinner one time and it got ugly.

AJ GENTILE: What happened?

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, what he was doing was he was telling me that what I saw at the Pentagon and my close friends — that were the first guy in the building, a structural engineer that was one of my best customers and one of my best friends — Leo Titus, who went in the building before the search and rescue and the dogs went in to make sure the building was safe so they wouldn’t get killed.

AJ GENTILE: Right.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I have all of his photos. And he tried to tell me it wasn’t what it was and he pissed me off. And this is three weeks before the anniversary.

AJ GENTILE: Well, what was he saying it was and what wasn’t?

SCOTT WOLTER: Was he saying it was a mystery missile when there are people that are no longer with us? There were bodies that were found blown out of the building, pictures that Leo took. He was there for seven days. He was there 40 minutes after the impact. And we talked about it when we got together at the reunion. So I almost punched him out. Ask Janet, she’ll tell you what happened. So we had a falling out. He was trying to manipulate me.

AJ GENTILE: Yes, he was.

SCOTT WOLTER: And I said, you—

AJ GENTILE: Good for you. Because I don’t trust this disclosure narrative that’s being pushed on us now.

SCOTT WOLTER: Well, the last time I talked to him was probably three years ago. So this went on for about four years. But that didn’t turn me off to the ET thing. And then all of a sudden, right as he’s going out the door, this comes in.

AJ GENTILE: This is wild.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. This has been my journey. This has been our journey. And I mean, there have been days when I’ll talk to Janet and close friends and say, “What the hell’s going on? What is why. Why me?” And I like to think that part of it is because I work my ass off. I never quit. And I want to solve the mystery.

AJ GENTILE: Absolutely.

SCOTT WOLTER: And get to the bottom, because that’s what I do. I never thought I would go here.

Wrapping Up

AJ GENTILE: No. This is incredible. Is there anything that we didn’t cover today that you want to get into?

SCOTT WOLTER: I don’t know. There’s a lot more, but I think it’s time for a beer. How about you?

AJ GENTILE: I agree. So the book is The Greatest Tale—

SCOTT WOLTER: —Never Told. The Greatest Templar Tale Never Told: The Sinclair Weems Journals. And I just want to say it’s not one of my magic writing that people are buying this book. It’s the journals. They speak for themselves. And when you read it, the letters I’ve gotten back from people — they blow through it in like two days. They’re saying, “I couldn’t put it down. This is an amazing story.”

And the truth of the matter is what all of this is really about at the end of the day is the true founding of this country. And as a Freemason and as a Knights Templar who knows the truth, to see what’s happening today beyond disgusts me. And here we are, 250 years. We’re supposed to be celebrating this. That’s another reason why I’m working my ass off.

AJ GENTILE: Yeah, we got to get through that.

SCOTT WOLTER: Yeah. Are you on the squad?

AJ GENTILE: Come on. I’ve been on—

SCOTT WOLTER: And then one day, we’re going to—

AJ GENTILE: —do it like this one day. The grip. Scott Wolter, thank you so much for coming in.

SCOTT WOLTER: Thank you for having me.

AJ’s Final Analysis

AJ GENTILE: Okay. That’s a lot to process. Scott Wolter took us on a journey that started with concrete forensics and ended with ancient alien encounters. So let me break down what we can actually verify here.

Scott’s credentials are solid. Licensed professional geologist. He runs a successful materials forensic laboratory. He worked on the Pentagon after 9/11. And this is all documented. The Las Vegas murder case he described, that happened. Tom Honahan was a real Las Vegas homicide detective. And Scott’s concrete dating techniques have been used in multiple forensic investigations.

As for the big claims, the Kensington Runestone has been controversial since 1898. Scott’s geological weathering analysis, published in 2000, said the way minerals degrade is proof of age. But Swedish archaeologists and runologists at Uppsala University disputed these findings in 2004. The academic consensus remains that it’s a 19th century creation. But it’s hard to deny all the connections that Scott talked about.

The Talpiot Tomb is real. It was discovered in 1980 in Jerusalem. It contains ossuaries with names including Jesus, Mary, and James, and others. And DNA testing was conducted by Carney Mathison at Lakehead University in 2007. But as critics note, there’s no baseline Jesus DNA to compare against. So it could be him, but we don’t know. Most biblical archaeologists reject any connection to the historical Jesus.

Now, here’s what I keep coming back to. Scott’s progression is fascinating. Respected scientist finds anomalous evidence, gets pushback from academia, digs deeper, finds more anomalous evidence, and keeps following it where it leads. Now, whether you believe these conclusions or not, the man is following the data as he sees it. From concrete to runes to Templars to alien contact.

If this is a hoax, it’s the greatest hoax ever conceived. There are so many details to keep track of, and somehow all the pieces line up. But if this is not a hoax, then we’re missing something fundamental about the history of the human race.

Now, if you want to dig deeper into some of these topics, I covered Knights Templar and their quest for Atlantis. I covered the Ark of the Covenant technology. I also have an episode about the megalithic yard that Scott mentioned. There’s links below.

Scott Wolter, forensic geologist turned cosmic historian. His new book is The Greatest Templar Tale Never Told. And honestly, whether it’s fact or fiction — oh, it’s a good story. Until next time, be safe, be kind, and know that you are appreciated.

Basement #006: w/ Scott Wolter on The Kensington Runestone, Templar Treasure, and the Green Jar (Transcript)

Introduction

Scott Wolter’s Background in Forensic Geology

The Las Vegas Murder Case

Analyzing the Concrete Evidence

Identifying the Victim

The Kensington Runestone and Getting on TV

From the Lab to the Screen

Why the Show Resonated

What Is the Kensington Runestone?

The Kensington Runestone Investigation Begins

Dating the Stone: The Geological Approach

Weathering Analysis and the Conclusion

The Pushback and the Fight for Credibility

The Trail Leads to Gotland and the Templars

A Father’s Legacy and the Road to Writing

A Devastating Loss and a Hidden Truth

Finding Healing Through Geology and Writing

Decoding the Kensington Runestone Inscription

The Easter Table Dating Method and Double Dating

A Land Claim and the Templar Connection

Forensic Investigation and the Evidence Trail

Larger Forces at Work: The Domino Effect

Connecting the Dominoes: The Talpiot Tomb

The Ossuaries and the Bloodline of Christ

The Journals of Earl Henry Sinclair

The Hooked X and Sacred Numbers

The Esoteric Aspects of the Kensington Runestone

The Select Master Degree and the Legend of Enoch

The Connection Between the Kensington Runestone and Masonic Ritual

Being Knighted: Three Templar Orders

Henry Sinclair and the Journals

Reading from the Henry Sinclair Journals

The Sinclair Journals and Templar Treasures

The Templar Treasures and the Arrest of 1307

The Templars and the Native Bond

The Weems Family and the Journals

The Newport Tower and the Recovery Mission

Benjamin Franklin and the Financing of the Revolutionary War

The Founding Fathers, the Brethren, and the Vault

George Mason: The Forgotten Founder

The Inventory of the Vault

DNA Testing and the Greatest Templar Tale Never Told

Sacred Numbers and the Goddess

The Cremona Document and the Temple of the Goddess

Don Rue and the Catskill Mountains Discovery

Bannerman Island and the Discovery of the Cremona Document

The Shipwreck off Newfoundland

The Manila Envelope and Bill Jackson’s Letter

The Marriage Document of Jesus and Mary Magdalene

The Book of the Wars of the Lord and the Angel K

Aliens, the Angel K, and the Yeshua Scrolls

Roberta’s Documents and the Hidden Message

The Yeshua Scroll: A False Flag and a Float Plane

Don McMasters and the Estate Documents

The Storm Before the Light

The Theban Message and the Adirondacks

Captain Marshawn and the False Flag

The Map and the Float Plane

The Buried Jar and Its Contents

Decoding the Message

Two Days in the Hotel

The Poor Knights of Christ

The Grail Code on the Kensington Runestone

The Scroll’s Hidden Message

The Scroll’s Hidden Message: “I, Not Entirely Human”

The Cipher Decoded

What Does This Mean for Us?

Government Contact and Disclosure

The Pentagon, Disclosure, and Final Thoughts

Wrapping Up

AJ’s Final Analysis

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