Here is the full transcript of British politician Rupert Lowe’s interview on The Tucker Carlson Show, December 5, 2025.
BRIEF NOTES: British MP Rupert Lowe joins Tucker Carlson to warn that Western elites are driving Britain toward economic collapse, social chaos, and a crisis of democracy. Drawing on British and American history, he argues that unaccountable bureaucrats, mass immigration, and DEI ideology have severed parliament from the people it is meant to serve. Lowe lays out why he believes the UK is nearing a debt and welfare breaking point, why free speech and gun rights are under attack, and why he founded the “Restore Britain” movement as a last chance to change course before 2029. This conversation is a blunt warning about where Britain and the wider West are heading—and what Lowe thinks must happen to avoid a full-scale revolt.
The Illusion of Democratic Choice
TUCKER CARLSON: Thank you for doing this. So the similarities between the US and Great Britain are very obvious, often remarked upon, but the one I notice the most is whenever you talk to people here, they say exactly what people in the US say, which is nothing changes. It doesn’t matter if you vote for Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak or Keir Starmer. Different parties, Tory, Labour, same result. What is that?
RUPERT LOWE: Well, I think, Tucker, it’s basically our democracy’s gone badly wrong. What happened is we are the mother of all parliaments and we effectively were the genesis of true democracy. I mean, forget the Greeks for now, but let’s just say we are modern democracy.
TUCKER CARLSON: Democracy at scale. Athenian democracy was tiny.
RUPERT LOWE: Yeah, but this is democracy at scale. They had the right concept, I think, and there’s some great philosophers from that era. But I think our Parliament was structured so that you had MPs elected by the people and they were effectively the people’s representatives.
The job of Parliament was ultimately to put the interests of the British nation first, make decisions that were first of all and above everything else, in the interests of the nation. But at the same time, there were internal rivalries about regional competition between each of those MPs to try and do the best for their constituency as well.
Most of them were in some way invested in Britain. They were landowners, they were businessmen, they were peers, they were aristocrats. They actually had a big shareholding, if you like, in UK plc. I look at prime ministers like Lord Salisbury and men who made great decisions, and obviously we can talk about Churchill, we can talk about the great leaders, Maggie Thatcher, who I loved, we can talk about great leaders.
The Need for Democratic Rejuvenation
But I think what’s gone badly wrong, and this is why I’ve set up a movement, not a party, to unite common sense thought and to allow those people who share the view you’ve just outlined, that it doesn’t matter who you vote for. The smorgasbord of opportunities that you’ve got at the moment, whether it’s the Tories, whether it’s Labour, whether it’s the Lib Dems, whether it’s the Greens, whether it’s the Scottish National Party, whoever, they’re all part of this dying sort of remnant of what was Parliament.
I think we’ve got to have some form of what, in geological terms, rejuvenation and uplift to change the way in which we’re governed. And make sure that we re-empower the MPs, the elected representatives of the people, and we disempower the people who run Parliament, the Quangos, the unelected civil servants who are largely represented by the Permanent Secretaries, many of whom I now see on the Public Accounts Committee.
The country, Tucker, is just run by people who don’t know which way is up.
TUCKER CARLSON: So.
RUPERT LOWE: So we’ve got a dying body of productive Brits who I have the greatest admiration for, who really fight all this regulation, this red tape, all of the oppression of government, of licensing, of regulations, of rules. They fight their way through all this, not to mention huge taxes which will probably increase dramatically tomorrow in order to basically debit the productive and credit the indolent. The most extraordinary sort of formula which is doomed to failure.
I think we need the people who ultimately care about the country to rise up now. I don’t think the way in which our government is structured is ever going to serve them well. So all they will do is go around crying into their beer about the fact that they voted for, as you say, Rishi Sunak or they voted for Keir Starmer. And they’re all the same, there’s no real difference.
A Disconnected Political Class
TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t think you’re overstating it. I mean, look at their priorities. They’re both totally disconnected. I’m an outsider, but I’m just watching this from thousands of miles away. But they seem totally disconnected from the actual country. What happens here, what it’s like, what it looks like, who lives here? They don’t seem interested at all.
RUPERT LOWE: Well, I think what’s happened is Parliament, as I say, whereas it was elected by the people and its interests were aligned with the people, now Parliament and the MPs, an MP earns about £92,000 a year, something like that. I actually give my salary to charity each month, I give it to a Great Yarmouth charity.
But I think a lot of the MPs need that money. So they’ve become dependent on that. They’ve obviously got status as an MP. There’s a lot of talk goes on in Parliament. There’s a lot of video calls and meetings in room P and all sorts of stuff goes on and people feel important, but actually, are they delivering for the people? I would argue they’re not.
So I think we’ve got to have some form of massive change. I watch what’s happening in the US and I think we need some help from the US. I think what’s happening with Donald Trump and with JD Vance and with Rubio, I mean, you’ve got some great people who are really trying to change the way things are going.
I blame you partly for infecting us with this DEI nonsense and all the other stuff that is seeping into the veins of Britain.
Historical Lessons in Governance
And the only way we’re going to do that is by very strong people standing up and actually affecting changes. I reflect on the US a lot because, as you probably know, there was a man called John Lambert who played a part in the Civil War. Oliver Cromwell’s one of my great historical heroes, your Civil War, the British Civil War. Yeah. He and Henry Ireton, when Cromwell won the Civil War.
He always said, “If I lose one battle, I lose my head. The King can lose 100 battles and he keeps his.” Well, he didn’t fortunately lose a battle and he won the Civil War. And then they had to work out how to govern.
And this guy, John Lambert and Henry Ireton wrote this thing, this paper which ultimately guided, it was called the Instrument of Power. And its job was to effectively separate the powers that Cromwell was going to have as Lord Protector and put in the checks and balances, which is what you need in any form of democracy, proper checks and balances that controls any sort of aggregation of power, which can be damaging. Need some power, but you don’t want anybody to become omnipotent.
And this is an incredible piece of work which was then used in our Bill of Rights. And then some of it was lifted by your founding fathers, Jefferson, Madison, Adams and Jay, who effectively played a big part in writing the US Constitution, which is the best, I think, attempt at setting out a sort of code for governance, which always return power to the individual states and to the individual, because it’s always the individual who gets oppressed by the state.
And here we’ve got a state that now accounts for 50% of our GDP. We’ve got, as I say, all these quangos, unaccountable people who are doing things which are damaging the interests of Britain, aggregating money and influence to themselves, but damaging the interests of those people they’re supposed to be serving. They’re called civil servants for a reason and that’s their job.
The Immigration Crisis
TUCKER CARLSON: One of the, maybe the biggest factors scrambling every one of these calculations and eliminating the historical knowledge that you just displayed is mass migration. This is very true in the United States as well. It’s not just here throughout the West. But what is that?
That is the one thing that I notice as a foreigner coming here that does not change regardless of who’s in power, is this constant churn in population, millions of new people. There’s never been any indication that native Britons want that. No native Americans in the United States wants that. We’ve gotten it anyway.
In my country, they used to say we need to do this for economic reasons. We need the labor. They don’t say that anymore. No one explains why this is happening. Why is it happening here? What’s your guess?
RUPERT LOWE: Well, I think the essence of immigration is that targeted immigration is good. So if you have a leadership of the country that can identify where skills are short and you can actually attract people who’ve got those skills who are going to contribute to the economy. And actually we have no dentists.
TUCKER CARLSON: Let’s import some dentists.
RUPERT LOWE: Exactly, exactly. But you need to have a leadership who’s capable of identifying where the shortages are. And that’s good immigration, it’s targeted, it’s small and it basically improves the standard of living and the quality of life for the people in the country.
TUCKER CARLSON: Is that happening here now?
The Reality of Uncontrolled Migration
RUPERT LOWE: No, I was just going to go on to say that what’s happened here is it’s actually been turned on its head. So what we’re doing is we are allowing millions or hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants from different cultures to arrive by boat.
And really since the war we’ve also brought in lots of legal migrants who have in some cases contributed, but in many cases they still haven’t integrated into what Britain is and what, we are a Christian country. We are, we have our history, we have our roots. And now we’ve got sort of pools of people from a different culture with a different belief and a different sort of outlook on life. And that’s getting worse.
So we are now, and you’re seeing this, we’re now seeing our best people leaving Britain. So the rainmakers are leaving in huge numbers now. The non-doms who used to be here now have been taxed and they’re leaving. They don’t have to be here.
As you know, in the modern world you can basically do a job from almost anywhere in the world and what you have to do is create the conditions where people want to live somewhere. And 10, 15, 20 years ago, everybody wanted to be in London. When I was young, London was the place to be because it was deregulated. It was fun. People actually could generate wealth. You didn’t have too much oppressive regulation and statism and gradually it’s been strangled. A bit like Gulliver.
The Brain Drain
So I think a lot of people and a lot of my friends are leaving. They’re going to live in Dubai, they’re going to live in Milan, they’re going to live in Montenegro. Could be Montenegro. It could be almost anywhere. We just sent a whole load of English money out to Mauritius. I mean, they’re getting tax cuts out there.
So, we’ve given the Chagos Islands away when we didn’t need to. We’ve sort of, I think Mauritius is an island.
TUCKER CARLSON: Mauritius is an island in the Indian Ocean, far, far, far away.
RUPERT LOWE: Mauritius is an island in the Indian Ocean, but the Chagos Islands, basically a lot of Chagossians living in Crawley here and they didn’t want us to, they didn’t want to be part of Mauritius.
The Chagos Islands Debacle
And what’s happened is Keir Starmer and Herma and Philippe Sands, this sort of bunch of human rights lawyers, you may or may not know the history. We actually paid Mauritius some money in 1963 when we gave her independence that said she had no claim on the Chagos Islands.
Arguably, the Seychelles and the Maldives have a bigger claim on the Chagos Islands that are 1,300 kilometers away. But these human rights lawyers have indulged their fantasies and at the expense of the British taxpayer. I mean, we don’t quite know what the number is. It’s somewhere between £18 and £30 billion over the next 90 years. We’ve literally handed that to Mauritius, who’ve now given a tax cut to their citizens on the back of it.
TUCKER CARLSON: Have you committed a lot of atrocities in Mauritius? Why would you owe them millions of dollars?
RUPERT LOWE: It’s all about the Diego Garcia base.
TUCKER CARLSON: No, I know the actual story.
The Chagos Islands Deal
RUPERT LOWE: But the Chagossians, a lot of them live in Crawley here, so they didn’t want the deal to happen. They basically don’t like the Mauritians.
TUCKER CARLSON: But if you take three steps back, why would you do that? You would only do that if you hate yourself. There’s no potential for gain at all for you, your children, your country. What is that?
RUPERT LOWE: Well, I think a lot of them do dislike what Britain was. I think they have this sort of hatred of colonial Britain, which, I mean, if you have a hatred of any form of colonialism, you have to have a hatred of the Belgian sort of colonization of the Congo or even France’s occupation of North Africa.
TUCKER CARLSON: Well, they still occupy Africa to this day.
RUPERT LOWE: They do. Yeah, absolutely. But I think Britain may have done some things that weren’t great, but on the whole, we’ve, I think, been a force for good. We’ve left sound legal systems in India. We’ve done good things, not bad things. We voluntarily ended the slave trade. It actually cost us a lot of money. The British navy was used to police the cessation of the slave trade.
So I feel very proud of Britain. I love Britain. And I think these people, these human rights lawyers, I actually despise them, Tucker. I think they’re the enemy of Britain and I don’t understand what motivates them.
TUCKER CARLSON: Well, that’s it. It’s clearly not a hatred of colonialism because Africa has been colonized at a scale never before seen by China, and they won’t say a single word about that. I mean colonialism will never end. The weak dominating the strong is just a feature of life. It’s sad but that’s what it is. They’re not mad about that. They’re only mad about the West.
China’s Global Influence
RUPERT LOWE: Well, in the end history will tell you that we always return to real politics and real politic is basically power. Power ultimately dictates what happens of course. And as you say that’s happening. China is very cleverly positioning herself in countries which are struggling for money. Obviously in Africa, I mean her tentacles are going almost everywhere.
And I think China in a way is an extraordinary economy because you’ve got this extraordinary relationship between communism and their capitalism which Deng tried to introduce which has generated a sort of class of people who, and the Chinese are enterprising people who have generated wealth. But then you’ve also got this communist bloc.
And I visited, when I was chairman of Southampton, I visited Qingdao where Southampton’s twin with Qingdao. And it’s an extraordinary sort of relationship. So very much the capitalist is effectively in hock to the communists. So they control everything. And if you look at what happened to Jack Ma, he built an incredibly successful business in Alibaba.
So I think that their blend of communism and capitalism which if you dig deep, all their state owned enterprises are incredibly indebted and almost bankrupt. So I don’t think her model is sustainable. Meanwhile she’s generated huge amounts of foreign exchange from effectively, if you like, she’s undercut a lot of the western capitalists in solar panels and in other things. And she’s running huge trade surpluses even if internally her finances aren’t great.
So I don’t think her model is a sound model. I think she is actually quite a dangerous influence. She bears a very long memory. She never forgets what’s been done to her in the past. And I read an interesting book the other day by Colin Thubron called “The Amur River.” I don’t know if you’ve read about the Amur river. It runs through Mongolia and it’s the history of the relationship between Russia and China. It’s a very good book to read.
But she never forgets when people breach treaties. It may not happen tomorrow but it’s logged. And she remembers opium. We’ve done a few things, we’ve done a few things she won’t have liked historically. So I think we’ve got to be very wary of China.
Britain’s Economic Decline
RUPERT LOWE: I’m in favor of basically liberating what I see as one of the best and most creative economies in the world, which is Britain. And if we can cut away all of the regulations. I mean, when I was young and I worked in the City, London was almost the primary center. We had the Eurobond market, we had a hugely powerful stock market. We were raising money for people all over the world. Everybody wanted to be in London.
Gradually the regulatory, and again, you have to blame Tony Blair for a lot of this stuff, a lot of the regulatory legislation. It was called the Financial Services Market Act of 2000. That basically tied the City down. And it started this over regulation, which has meant that London is now a shadow, its former self.
So we don’t have a position. I mean, NASDAQ has flown on the back of London’s failure. You still have a much more capitalistic approach to your financial markets. Ours are now so regulated that they’ve become arguably more interested in protecting the value of people’s pensions than they have in matching risk capital with entrepreneurs, which is what they should be doing.
TUCKER CARLSON: They feminized your finance. No, I’ve watched. But what does that mean? So what is the British economy now?
RUPERT LOWE: Well, I think the British economy is in pretty bad shape.
TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, I don’t even know what it is. I mean, I thought it was manufacturing, obviously. Greatest manufacturing power in the world and the greatest goods in the world still like 100 years later. That’s remarkable how well they’re made.
RUPERT LOWE: Well, it’s a service industry, a lot of it, as you know. And Jimmy Goldsmith talked about this. I mean, Jimmy Goldsmith, great man, he saved the pan through the referendum party where the other parties promised. He doesn’t ever get enough credit for it.
So he spoke very well about this. And it was happening in the 90s, really, when we were outsourcing our manufacturing to cheap labor countries. And he forecast what would happen, which is that we would become a dependency culture rather than a culture of innovation. Because actually when you’ve got your factories in different parts of the world, it’s there that the innovation takes place. It doesn’t take place in the consuming nations.
So I think what’s happened is we’ve gradually been party or our leaders have to closing down our economy, damaging the interests of the British people. But the British people are still incredibly creative. I have every faith in their ability if they’re cut free. But they’ve got to be cut free pretty quickly, Tucker. I mean, our view is if we haven’t done it by 2029, it could be too late.
TUCKER CARLSON: But you don’t have an election until 2029.
RUPERT LOWE: There’s not much time. There’s not much time.
TUCKER CARLSON: And they’re continuing, by the way, to change the population dramatically every year. So the calculation changes every year, as does the culture. But I don’t think you have an election. I think Labor’s in charge until 2029.
Britain’s Debt Crisis
RUPERT LOWE: Unless that missing Labor’s in charge till 2029. But I think the Achilles heel there possibly is the economy. So you talked about what is the British economy. The British economy is, as you know, as the American economy was relied on something I hate, called quantitative easing, which is basically getting high on your own suppliers. It’s basically what third world dictators used to do shortly before their currencies descended into chaos.
But because you’ve got this sort of manufacturing taking place in one part of the world and the consumption in another part of the world, they’ve been able to get away with it so far, but it’s still further hollowed out productive Britain. So I’m very worried about our level of debt. We’re looking at a level of debt of around 100% of our GDP, our civil service pensions are off balance sheet. And there’s another, we don’t know the exact number, somewhere between 3 and 5 trillion, maybe a bit more, which is probably 200% of GDP that’s not even on the balance sheet.
We have this accounting system called Oscar 2, which I think is probably delusional in that it leaves off chunks of liability and probably enhances chunks of the asset side of the balance sheet. So I think we’re delusional. I’m just waiting for our currency to collapse. And I think when you say there’s not going to be an election or 2029, we have the budget tomorrow where Rachel Reeves, who seems to believe that she can tax herself into wealth and prosperity, which nobody’s ever done in history before. Rachel Reeves, she’s our Chancellor of the Exchequer.
TUCKER CARLSON: What’s her background? Pretty impressive person.
RUPERT LOWE: Well, she’s variously, she’s Rachel from accounts or Rachel from Complaints or she told a few porkies about her CV, which she seems to have got away with that. Added a number of other Labor MPs. Apparently it’s okay to embellish your CV these days and nobody seems to care.
TUCKER CARLSON: But you’re not aware of any material accomplishments in her past?
RUPERT LOWE: Very, very few. I mean, she’s not qualified to be doing what she’s doing, but she’s incredibly arrogant. I think there’s a blend of arrogance and ignorance, which is always dangerous.
TUCKER CARLSON: We have that in our country.
RUPERT LOWE: So I think that the Achilles heel is if the economy starts to really go into reverse, which I think for my businesses we’re beginning to see orders slow, the sort of carryover from the COVID money injections and from what the Tories did in their latter days, which kept the economy going to some extent. Although Britain’s growth has been sclerotic for a hell of a long time now.
So if we start to see a challenge to our ability to finance our deficits and you probably saw, I mean, our deficit’s just out of control. So it’s going up every year and in the end if you have a deficit, you’ve got to finance it. So I always think the definition of credit is suspicion of sleep. So in the end, people who borrow or fund our debt buy our guilts, if you like.
At the moment they demand a premium in terms of income over other people’s debts, over the U.S. debt or German debt. So eventually what they do is they decide they don’t want to buy that debt and then you can’t fund yourself and then you have a funding crisis, a bit like we had in the mid-70s. And in those days we went to the IMF and we got the IMF to bail us out.
I’m not sure that the IMF would come and bail us out at the moment because I don’t think an economy which basically robs the productive to fund the indolent and to fund welfare, I don’t think the IMF would put up with that.
Immigration and Insolvency
TUCKER CARLSON: I’m confused. So you’re describing a country on the very brink of bankruptcy.
RUPERT LOWE: I think we’re very close to it.
TUCKER CARLSON: But you’re still importing hundreds of thousands of people every year as asylum seekers as if you’re a global empire that can just spend money with…
RUPERT LOWE: I don’t call them asylum seekers because the majority of them aren’t, they’re economic migrants.
TUCKER CARLSON: But whatever they are.
RUPERT LOWE: So that’s a big difference.
TUCKER CARLSON: Of course. But I don’t even understand how my country’s insolvent also. So I’m not just speaking of Britain, but I don’t understand how any…
RUPERT LOWE: France is probably worse than us. If it’s any consolation, Tucker, but I’m not really interested in a race.
The Cost of Foreign Aid
TUCKER CARLSON: Bottom France is Europe’s Mississippi. You can always point to them and say it’s worse. But I don’t understand how any country that’s on the brink of not being able to serve its own people can decide to serve the world. I just don’t get that.
RUPERT LOWE: Well, this is why we’re delusional, because our own house isn’t in order and we spend our lives worrying about what’s happening everywhere else, including sending vast amounts of money overseas in overseas aid. I mean, the countries that a lot of these people are coming from, we’re sending aid. Pakistan, for instance. I think we send £130 million a year to Pakistan.
TUCKER CARLSON: Why?
RUPERT LOWE: Just one example, you tell me. And a lot of the people are coming from Pakistan. So I think it’s just the people in power, they get a kick like latter day emperors who used to travel around the world dishing out cash. I think it gives them a lot of pleasure to think that they are these important people dishing out money we haven’t got.
Ukrainian Wealth and War Profiteering
TUCKER CARLSON: Does anyone in London ever go to Switzerland in the winter to ski? Or the south of France in the summer to relax? I know they do. Do they notice all the Ukrainians at the Hermes store using their money to buy handbags for 50 grand? Does anyone ever notice?
RUPERT LOWE: I think people have noticed the Ukrainian money that’s flowing into Monaco in particular.
TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly.
RUPERT LOWE: So the number of Ukrainian registered Porsches, Astons, whatever in Monaco is massive.
TUCKER CARLSON: This is a country in the middle of a four year long existential war. You would think people would be poor, but they’re richer than ever. Not the people of Ukraine, but the people buying Aston Martins in Monaco and spending $10,000 on dinner in Courchevel. That money is your money, my money. Does anyone care?
RUPERT LOWE: You and I know that some people make a lot of money out of war. War works for some people.
TUCKER CARLSON: Not usually funded by other people’s taxpayers. The war profiteers are a feature of every war, of course. But this is kind of weird.
RUPERT LOWE: Well, I’m hoping, and it looks like there’s some hope that there’s been a breakthrough today on that front. I feel for the young men who are on both sides who are definitely needlessly losing their lives, a bit like in our First World War.
The Protestant Ethic and National Identity
RUPERT LOWE: I lost relations in the first and Second World War. But I mean those people, if they looked at Britain today or they looked at America today, would they be prepared to give their lives as they did so valiantly in the trenches in Europe and Gallipoli and other parts of the world? And many of them, some of them American people, including relatives of mine. I absolutely would they feel comfortable. I’m not sure they would.
And I think the, I’ve always thought that an important element of what made certainly the US and the UK successful was this Protestant ethic, this ethic of working hard, of contributing, of being part of something which is basically driven in order to create a better community.
TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.
RUPERT LOWE: And I think we’ve lost that ethic and we’ve now lost sight of what we are. And somehow we’ve got to get that back. And if we don’t get that back, I don’t think the outlook is very optimistic. I think it’s not going to be good news.
TUCKER CARLSON: How do you get that back?
The Restore Britain Movement
RUPERT LOWE: Well, we’re trying with Restore Britain. We see a movement as being the key. So the only way to, I think, show the sclerotic, dying organs of power that they need to change what they’re doing is for a mass movement to grow spontaneously, which we are seeing.
I mean, our social media recently has gone stratospheric and I think people can see that we are trying our best to highlight the deficiencies in Parliament. That’s why it’s so important to be in Parliament, because we’re able to actually from inside, expose exactly how deficient it all is.
And then with social media, and thanks to Elon Musk, we actually have now got, I think, a far better, freer, more functional platform to get the message of what’s happening out. And actually, as you know, transparency is the best cleanser of any system. A transparent look at what’s going on, which is why very often a lot of these administrations try and keep things as closed down as possible.
I’m always a great believer in, if it’s transparent and open, it usually functions a lot better. So I mean, look, we haven’t got long to do this and I think the people, if they agree with us, need to now show that they agree and actually do something about it.
And I say to my friends, they’ve had life too good. They have leveraged off the back of the people who did fight in the war, who did create this post war respect for the US, for the UK, for the winners, for the Anglo Saxon alliance. And in that I obviously include New Zealand and Australia and India to some extent, other parts of the world who fought for freedom.
So I think we’ve got to stand up and be counted. I don’t think we can all sit back and think it’s going to be okay and it’s somebody else’s problem. It’s going to be everybody’s problem soon.
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Immigration and the Dependency Culture
TUCKER CARLSON: Some of what’s happening here is so humiliating and it’s designed to be humiliating. Taking migrants and giving them better lodging, better conditions than native born Britons, many of whom are poor. That almost seems designed to infuriate people. It’s too unfair. I wonder, does it stay peaceful, the response to that?
RUPERT LOWE: Well you hope it stays peaceful and legal. But we’ve seen, and again in response to the migrants, of course they shouldn’t be allowing these people. I mean we’re quite clear they should be detaining and they should be deporting all illegal migrants. They are economic migrants in my view, not asylum seekers. They’ve traveled through safe countries, they have no reason to be here and they should be detained and deported straight away.
And I think then we turn our attention to people who have been brought here legally who aren’t contributing to the country. They also need to be looked at and we need to decide how they work. And then we also need to look at the 9 million people of working age who aren’t contributing to our society. They’ve been told it’s okay to have mental health issues, it’s okay to stay at home, not work.
TUCKER CARLSON: 9 million non working, 9 million people. So how could you justify…
RUPERT LOWE: We also have these schemes like motability. I mean the whole country is basically a fraud if you look at it. So these people get motor cars. I think I’m right in saying 13% of new car registrations is motability.
TUCKER CARLSON: I’m ignorant of what you’re saying. What is it?
RUPERT LOWE: Motability is like a scheme. So if you’ve got, if you tick enough boxes, you get a car paid for by the taxpayer, three named drivers, all the insurance and every three years you change the car. I mean the whole thing is complete nonsense.
TUCKER CARLSON: You get a new car every three years?
The Nation State and Its Responsibilities
RUPERT LOWE: Yeah, my friends buy old motability vehicles when they’ve been used by these people who are on benefits. So no, look, Tucker, there’s a lot wrong and we have to have a society. Britain voted for it. The British people voted in 2016 despite the fact the government advised them not to. But they voted to take back their sovereignty from the European Union. They voted for a British nation state.
A nation state’s job is to protect the interests of its electorate, its taxpayers, its people who live here who contribute, have contributed historically who basically fill in their tax reform, write the check, work every hour God gives, try and bring their families up and try and lead good lives. That’s what we should be rewarding.
We should not be rewarding an indolent, lazy culture. But as you probably know, the socialist view of life often benefits from a dependency culture because the people who are on dependency tend to vote for more dependency.
And this is why I think the danger in the budget tomorrow is that Rachel Reeves does lift the two child caps. At the moment, if you’re on benefits, there’s a two child cap for benefit. She’s intending to lift that and she’s then intending to raise the taxes on productive Britain who can’t afford to probably have more than two children so they can pay for people who aren’t working who want to have more than two children.
So the whole thing is completely backwards and I don’t know how long it can go on before people do lose their temper. Hopefully they will join Restore Britain and give us the platform to be able to lobby for change and to affect change. Now, I don’t think we’ve got time to wait and I do think if the economic conditions turn down very badly, we will be forced into an election at some station. It may be before 2029. That’s the Achilles heel on the election.
TUCKER CARLSON: Where’s the fierce island spirit that allowed Britons to rule the world?
RUPERT LOWE: Well, that is a very good question.
TUCKER CARLSON: I’m being mean, I’m just being…
RUPERT LOWE: No, I think it’s a very fair question. And I wonder, I mean, has everybody had life too good? Are they prepared to stir their stumps and actually contribute? Because there’s no way that a few valiant people are going to be able to deliver this. This has to be a mass movement. It has to be a spontaneous movement.
I think it is happening, I think it’s beginning. I think we can see, through our social media, we can see that people are concerned. And I don’t think it’s a big jump from being concerned to actually doing something about it.
Free Speech Under Threat
TUCKER CARLSON: But how can your average Briton allow its government to arrest people for saying naughty words on social media? Thousands of people every year. Thousands. How can they allow that? Why don’t they surround Parliament? Lift it off its foundations or something? Seriously.
RUPERT LOWE: Well, as you and I know, free speech is the absolute key to a functioning democracy.
TUCKER CARLSON: You created it.
RUPERT LOWE: We created…
TUCKER CARLSON: Your country created it.
RUPERT LOWE: We created it. And it’s so important to everything. And we recently had a debate in Parliament because with our membership now, we can, in Parliament, you can have a debate or force a debate in Westminster hall with a hundred thousand signatures on an e-petition.
So to your point, there’s the best example of this is probably Lucy Connolly, who was caught up in the Southport in the whole emotional upheaval of the Southport killings where three young girls were stabbed to death. And I think the country spontaneously reacted. Labour say it was some sort of right wing planned…
TUCKER CARLSON: Only right wingers objected to kids…
RUPERT LOWE: It’s not. It was a spontaneous reaction across the country. So Lucy Connolly posted something ill advised, but arguably, she deleted it three hours later, obviously after the heat had gone out of it.
TUCKER CARLSON: She said that the people who did this came from a migrant hostel, but…
Death Threats and Police Inaction
RUPERT LOWE: She went to prison for 30 weeks, I think it was. Was it 30 weeks? I think something like that. Bit more than that. Bit more. So she, but she came. We hosted her in Parliament.
TUCKER CARLSON: Anybody?
RUPERT LOWE: No, no. I get death threats, Tucker. And we report it to the police. I think I’ve had eight death threats in the last three months. And we report it to the Metropolitan Police and the square root of nothing happens.
So I would have thought people making death threats is far more dangerous than people posting something in the heat of the moment on social media they then redact.
TUCKER CARLSON: But you’re a Member of Parliament.
RUPERT LOWE: I’m a Member of Parliament, yeah.
TUCKER CARLSON: And you get death threats.
RUPERT LOWE: We get death threats on social media.
TUCKER CARLSON: But they took your guns away.
False Accusations and Gun Confiscation
RUPERT LOWE: Well, that was because Reform, for some extraordinary reason, politically assassinated me and made some false witness statements that I had threatened Mohammed Ziarud Youssef in a meeting, which was palpable rubbish, and that I stood over him and threatened to hit him.
Well, I’m 68 and he’s 38. So that’s a bad idea to start with and it just didn’t happen like that. So, you know, at the end of the day we had a debate about Great Yarmouth and my branch office in Great Yarmouth, no more, and the WhatsApp chain proved it.
But he gave this witness statement and then Lee Anderson gave a witness statement to say that I was going around Parliament saying I was a very fine shot and I was going to shoot Zir Youssef. Well, as a result of which the Metropolitan Police arrived, mob handed and took my guns away and it took me about five months to get them back.
So look, and they also suggested I had early onset dementia, which was again, pretty unpleasant thing to do.
TUCKER CARLSON: Do they have any evidence?
RUPERT LOWE: I don’t think I’ve got early onset dementia. Not that I’m aware, but obviously, you know, those people who do have it, it’s a pretty horrific thing to have.
TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, of course it is.
RUPERT LOWE: And if I did have it and they’d said that it would have been even more unpleasant. So, you know, I hope I haven’t got it. I hope I haven’t got it, Tucker.
But, you know, anyway, so we, again, fortunately, I’m able to fund the legal costs required. I was able to go on the attack and I think, you know, what they did was just morally and in every other way wrong.
TUCKER CARLSON: But this country, its authorities can just show up and take your guns without producing a conviction, putting you on trial, proving you did anything wrong?
The Dangers of Statism
RUPERT LOWE: This country is going badly wrong. I mean, it is going badly wrong. But I think that’s probably a symptom of the fact, you know, we’ve lost our way. People aren’t as principled as they used to be and ultimately it’s a function of statism.
I mean, it used to happen in the Soviet Union when you get central planning and you get Stasi-like behavior.
TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.
RUPERT LOWE: You get little people making malign decisions behind closed doors and damaging the interests of the good people. So I always say in Russia when the USSR, that the qualification you needed to best survive was to be a very good liar.
TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.
RUPERT LOWE: And I think as a result of that, you know, your entire fabric of your society starts to fall apart, which is what happened with them. Nobody takes any responsibility. And then what was it? A generation and a half later the whole thing imploded.
But on the way, a lot of people died and a lot of people had a pretty hellish life. Not least one of my favorite characters, Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.
RUPERT LOWE: Who I think made some very meaningful comment about people being free and equal and, yes, equal and free or not equal and not free, whichever way you want to look at it. So he made some great comments.
So certainly I think we are suffering from too much central planning, too much statism and too many small people in positions of influence.
Mass Migration and the Multicultural Experiment
TUCKER CARLSON: Last question. I look at what’s happening in Ireland and I know complicated relationship between the two countries, but what’s happening to Ireland with mass migration is basically identical to what’s happening here in Great Britain.
And it’s also happening in Australia and Canada and the U.S. It’s so close, like almost precise. It’s the same template that cannot be accidental. Like what is that? What are the forces pushing that?
RUPERT LOWE: Well, I think we have to ask ourselves why did the post-war elite think that this experiment with multiculturalism was a good idea? And I don’t think any of them have ever really answered that question.
I think obviously Ireland is a function of what’s happening here. I mean you obviously got the wretched Northern Ireland protocol, which morphed into the Windsor Agreement, which is shocking division of the United Kingdom, which effectively was, if you like, sacrificed on the altar of Brexit.
So, but on the multiculturalism, again this goes to, you probably know, we’ve got a big…
TUCKER CARLSON: Can I repeat what you just said? Because I think I want the question to hang in the air. Why did the post-war elite, I think I’m quoting you, decide that this multiculturalism experiment was a good idea?
RUPERT LOWE: I don’t know, I think it’s a thoroughly bad idea. I like sovereign nation states who interface with each other, who respect each other, who respect each other’s culture and who basically interface with each other like that to try and create this.
And again, does it go to the World Economic Forum? Is it the Bilderbergers? Is it the Council on Foreign Relations? Look, where does the truth lie? I mean, I find it probably like you do, incredibly difficult to work out where the truth lies often in our very modern age.
Most people want to live a healthy life centered around their community and their family and they want to be able to wake up in the morning and feel that they’ve done the right thing by everybody.
But it does seem that there is this malign agenda to break down families, to break down communities, to create this multicultural world where I guess arguably a small global elite are able to exert undue influence on how everybody else leads their lives.
That’s the only solution I can come up with, my limited intellect. But it doesn’t add up, does it? It doesn’t make sense.
The Evidence of Conspiracy
TUCKER CARLSON: Honestly, it doesn’t. I remember hearing people 30 years ago hint that there was some multinational or pan-global conspiracy from the groups you just mentioned and thinking, this is obviously a mentally ill person talking.
And now you just watch. The accumulated evidence is overwhelming. This is not organic. It’s not the product of democracy.
RUPERT LOWE: It’s not in the interest of our country, it’s not in the interest of your country.
TUCKER CARLSON: And no one wants it.
RUPERT LOWE: It’s not in the interest of Ireland, and none of the electorate want it.
TUCKER CARLSON: So how are we getting it all at the same time?
RUPERT LOWE: Well, it’s a very good question, Tucker. I just don’t know the answer to that. But what I do know is the people who care about it happening need to now coalesce and actually start to show those people who are perpetrating this on us they don’t want it.
And if that means that they get turfed out of power, that’s what’s got to happen. We’ve got to turf them out of power and make common sense prevail. It’s common sense we’re lacking everywhere.
But I think there are, you know, as I said, there are some signs that in the U.S. people are beginning to address it and people are beginning to take action. But it’s like walking through glue, isn’t it? I mean, there’s this malign power base that doesn’t lie down very easily. And it’s always there waiting to pounce again.
TUCKER CARLSON: Thank you very much, Rupert, for talking to me. That was great.
RUPERT LOWE: Pleasure.
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