Transcript: Comedian Jeff Dye on Joe Rogan Podcast #2410

She lost to Valentina Shevchenko, she lost to some other fighters, but it was stylistically a great matchup for her because she’s an elite striker. She’s really good at counter striking. She’s really good at movement.

And when Ronda has to close that distance, every fight starts on the feet. And when you’re with a very physically strong woman who’s got good takedown defense and is good at catching you as you’re charging in, that was the problem in that fight.

Also, the problem in that fight, I think, for Ronda, is when you start becoming really famous, then the hyenas show up and they start offering you this and offering you that and distracting you with this and distracting you with that. And now you’re going to meetings and you talk to agents and you’re setting up movies, and you’re doing this and you’re doing that, and all those things take away from the most important thing, which is your fighting.

Even if they don’t take away from the amount of training you do, they take away from your focus. They just, they rob you of the bandwidth. You know, I always tell comics this when it comes to dealing with haters and things online that you shouldn’t read.

You only have, think of your mind as having a number of units of attention. Think you have 100 units of focus. Anything that eats into those units, anything that bothers you, that annoys you, that’s useless, that doesn’t help you, that’s stealing from your 100, you know?

So now you only have 80 units or 70 units of focus, because 30 of it is concentrated on bullshit. It’ll rob you of what makes you great.

Two Factors in the Holly Holm Fight

So there were two factors. There was the skill of Holly, the fact that she had all this opportunity to study Ronda and with a great team and devise a game plan. And then there’s also the stealing of focus.

You know, Ronda, I was one of the biggest champions of her as a fighter, as a legitimate pioneer and a star. First it was Gina Carano and Cris Cyborg to a certain extent. But Cyborg had an asterisk because everybody knew she was roided up. And then it was Ronda. But Ronda eclipsed all of them. She was bigger than all of them.

I was a huge supporter, and still am. But when you watch a fight and you’re watching you get your ass kicked and the other person is talking about how great the other person is doing and how bad you’re doing, that doesn’t sit well with a lot of people. Especially someone who’s got that kind of champion mentality, that fing pit bull mentality. Like, “I thought you were with me. F you.”

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

The Aftermath of Ronda’s Losses

JOE ROGAN: And then it was after the fight, I was very public about saying, I don’t think she should fight for a long time. They were talking about doing an immediate rematch. And I was like, that’s crazy. Like, they were talking about doing a rematch in four months or something like that. I was like, when you get head kicked into the shadow realm, you’re supposed to take a long time off.

When Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez, it was a f*ing picture perfect right hand that knocked Manny Pacquiao out. His coach, Freddie Roach, said, “You can’t fight for a year. I don’t want you doing anything for a year, for one year, because you got to heal up from something like that.”

It’s bad when you get knocked unconscious. It’s not just that you’ll be a touch gun shy, which is possible, but also that you’re more vulnerable to getting hit. And then you could ruin your chin forever. Like, if you get knocked out, there’s certain fighters that used to have iron chins. Like Chuck Liddell is one of the greatest examples of that. He had an iron chin. You could hit that dude with a f*ing sledgehammer and he would just keep swinging at you. And then eventually it got to the point where he would get clipped and he would just go out, and it wasn’t him. It was his brain was broken. It was, there was too many times, too many shots, too many knockouts, too many impacts.

You got to preserve that. You got to be very careful with that. You got to take a long time off.

The Amanda Nunes Fight

JOE ROGAN: And then there was the Amanda Nunes fight. So the Amanda Nunes fight, I was also very vocal that everybody was putting all of the attention in the promotion on Ronda making this huge comeback. And if you watch the promos for that fight, I thought they were crazy disrespectful, because the promos, and obviously, look, Ronda was a f*ing huge star, a much bigger star than Amanda Nunes. And that loss was a shocking upset to a lot of people that didn’t understand martial arts and didn’t think that Holly had a chance, didn’t think anybody had a chance. “She’s going to beat everybody forever.”

But all the promo was Ronda coming back. All of it was like, “She’s coming back to take what’s hers.” It was Ronda in a mansion, looking out. It was like the worst promo set. Like, Ronda in a mansion, looking out the window, saying, “I’m going to go get my title.” I don’t know who made that. I don’t know what it was. But I remember being backstage the day of the fight, and there was all these agents mulling around, all these Hollywood twats, and this guy was like, I forget his exact words. They were talking. He didn’t know who Ronda was fighting. And he said, “I don’t know what her name is, but whoever it is, it’s her funeral.” That’s what he said. I was like, oh, my God. Like, these are the people.

Meanwhile, Amanda Nunes was the scariest person at 135. And that’s what I had said before she fought Holly Holm. I mean, like Dana and I talked about. I said, I think Amanda’s the scariest title challenger because she can flatline chicks with one punch. She’s very different than all the other ones. She wound up flatlining Cris Cyborg. It was a crazy fight. She beats the f out of everybody. She hits so hard, like, way harder than most women. And I was like, that’s a dangerous fing opponent.

And they’re making it seem like this is all about the Ronda comeback, when Amanda was the champion. So Holly had beaten Ronda, Miesha Tate had beaten Holly, and then Amanda had beaten Miesha Tate. So Amanda was the f*ing champion, but all the promotion was all about Ronda. And then they’re trying to do like pro wrestling. I don’t know what they were doing. “She’ll come back.” I think, they were just selling the fight. They were selling it. And the best way to sell it is, I guess, that way, who’s more famous.

But it’s disrespectful to the champion, especially a fing dangerous champion. And if the champion wins, which I thought she was going to win, it sets up, it’s not good to set her up. You should set her up, like how fing dangerous she is. Now you got a bigger star. Obviously, she wound up being a bigger star. And Amanda’s the greatest of all time. Widely considered to be the greatest mixed martial arts female fighter in history because she f*s everybody up. She’s just so dangerous.

So, and then that fight happens, and then that lady takes Ronda out in the first round. Just beats the piss out of her. Just stops her standing. Just, it was brutal.

Understanding Ronda’s Mentality

JOE ROGAN: I never had a bad thing to say about Ronda. I still don’t. I understand her mentality. I mean, she’s a champion minded person. Like, she’s like, “You’re fing with me or against me, it’s me against the world.” She doesn’t have a chip on her shoulder. She’s got a forest. She’s got a whole forest on her shoulder. But that’s why she was so good. And we’re lucky she’s a woman. If that lady was a man, she’d be Genghis Khan. She’d fing take over the world. She’s an animal.

JEFF DYE: Scary.

JOE ROGAN: So that’s why she has that opinion. That’s just how she thinks about things.

JEFF DYE: I was mad at her just as an everyday man, because my nieces love any woman that’s famous for any reason. And my nieces also aren’t experts about UFC. They’re little girls and they just think it’s cool that a woman’s a badass. They like that kind of stuff. And so then when she lost, be on TikTok, I mean, actually, people made TikToks of it. It’s not like Ronda Rousey was on TikTok, but she was on Ellen being like, “I just wanted to quit. And I saw my man and I just realized, I want to have babies.” And I was like, this is not really the message, if you lose, to just go be a pro wrestler or have babies. I don’t know. I felt like it was a strange way for a champion to talk.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but that’s her legitimately as a human being. That’s what she wanted. And there comes a time.

JEFF DYE: That’s good. No, that would be a fine way to frame it.

JOE ROGAN: Well, she was being honest. She wanted to have babies. She didn’t want to do it anymore. And there comes a time where, look, every fighter can only redline for so long. And the reality of fighting is you’re redlining.

JEFF DYE: What does that mean?

Redlining and Peak Performance

JOE ROGAN: You know what a red line, when the engine, you know when your tachometer reaches like 8,000 RPM? Right. You can only do that for so long or your engine blows. But to be in peak physical condition, to be able to fight in a championship fight, you essentially have to redline your body through camp. You have to get your body to a place where it’s at a, you can’t maintain fight shape. It’s not possible. You get to a certain part, you peak, and then the last week, you kind of drop off so that you can recover. And so that Saturday night, when Saturday night rolls up and the lights go on in Madison Square Garden, you are as f*ing ready as a human being can get.

But you can’t maintain that, and you can’t do that forever. This is only, and they think that there’s a theory amongst mixed martial arts commentators and experts and what have you, that is about nine years. Nine years is all that’s possible to compete at a peak level. And then you get a drop off. Some people have more longevity than others. It varies. Some people, it’s a much shorter reign. And you got to kind of look at who they were when they were at the top. You can only look at them when they’re at that peak.

Like guys like Anderson Silva, he gets kind of dismissed because later in his life, the performances weren’t the same. They weren’t elite performances. But I say that’s just human. You got to look at him when he was the champion. He was one of the most elite guys that’s ever competed in a sport, period. He’s one of the greatest of all time. But you can only, you got to look at when he was in his prime. And there’s only a certain amount of time you can do that.

And then when a fighter doesn’t want to do that, and only that anymore, you got to get out. You got to get out because there’s some fing 20 year old Mike Tyson out there. There’s some animal, there’s some dude that lives, breathes, sleeps, fighting, and they, all they want to do is land shots and take you out. They just, that’s their whole focus in life. They don’t give a f about relationships, they don’t give a f about where they live. They don’t give a f about anything. Just winning. And that’s how you become a world champion. That’s how you become elite. You can only maintain it for so long. It’s not a normal way for a human being to exist. It’s a very strange way to live.

And for her, it’s natural. She’s a woman. She’s like, “I want to have babies. I have this great man.” And she’s married to Travis Browne, who’s also a beast, who is an elite UFC heavyweight, top 10 heavyweight. She’s like, “I’m done. I’ll make some warrior kids.” I get it.

JEFF DYE: I saw it. I was like, what the hell does that mean?

JOE ROGAN: She just didn’t want to beat up, you quit.

JEFF DYE: No, no. Now my niece is rooting for Holly.

JOE ROGAN: Holm, good lady.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, Holly Holm’s nice.

JOE ROGAN: She is nice.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. That’s what we like. We like the winners who are nice.

Ronda’s Impact on the Sport

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, I get it. But there’s something about Ronda being Ronda that made the sport what it is.

JEFF DYE: But I root for Luke Skywalker, not Darth Vader. She’s not Darth Vader. Sure, Darth Vader’s cooler and he’s probably more strong. He’s got the thing, but Luke’s the good guy, and I like the good guy and I root for the good guy.

JOE ROGAN: She’s not a bad guy. Her mother was a badass. Her mother was an elite judo competitor, actually.

JEFF DYE: I hate disagreeing with you, Joe, but she went to wrestling, Ronda, and then she said all these terrible things about the wrestlers. She said terrible things about you.

JOE ROGAN: She didn’t say anything terrible about me.

JEFF DYE: She said you’re not an expert.

JOE ROGAN: That’s all she said. That’s not terrible. That’s just an opinion.

JEFF DYE: Seems mean to me.

JOE ROGAN: No, no, no, that’s all. Look, if I was a pussy, it would be mean.

JEFF DYE: Well, I’m a pussy.

JOE ROGAN: I’m defending it.

JEFF DYE: That’s what I’m doing. If I was like, that’s my whole life. I’m just saying, she’s kind of a grumpy, gnarly warrior. And warriors can be a little prickly.

JOE ROGAN: She’s definitely prickly. Yeah. That’s all. But that’s why she was awesome.

JEFF DYE: That’s what made her great.

JOE ROGAN: It was what made her great. She broke that door wide open. And all the women that came afterwards follow. And it’s hard for women to become famous in MMA because it’s hard for them to have the kind of spectacular results that men have. They generally don’t have as much power. And unless they’re like elite judo or something like that, like she was, where they get arm bars and finish people quickly. But that’s what everybody likes. Everybody likes dominance.

JEFF DYE: And I want them to be hot.

JOE ROGAN: That helps.

JEFF DYE: That’s a good one. But it’s hard to mix those worlds.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, you get warrior her, Holly. There’s only a few of them that were really hot and elite in the old days.

JEFF DYE: They weren’t looking at the battle lines and they’re going, “I wish these warriors had more tits.” Like, that’s what I’m like. A very conflicted person. I wanted to be badass, but also hot.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: And crazy to get both of them.

The Muscle Car Analogy

JOE ROGAN: They’re also going to be super crazy. Yeah, for sure. Especially while they’re fighting. It’s like you don’t really want that in your life.

JEFF DYE: It’s like, no way.

JOE ROGAN: You know what it’s like? It’s like a muscle car. Muscle cars are great to drive, but you don’t want to take them on a road trip.

JEFF DYE: Oh, dude, Schaub took me. So I have a great Lakers hookup, right? I go to all the Lakers games. And I invited Brandon Schaub. When we first became friends, I said, you want to come to Lakers game with me? You’ll like it. We sit, we have great seats, we’ll meet the owner. It’ll be great.

So that’s my only kind of flex, that I can bring people to these kind of things. I don’t have a lot to offer, but I can offer that. So he’s like, yeah, I’ll pick you up. And he comes to my house. Brandon Schaub comes to my house in a race car. I mean, this thing has got the big spoiler on the back.

Also, we’re both big guys. I’m six four. He’s, I don’t know how tall he is, but he’s taller than me. And we’re in this tiny thing in traffic on the 101, going to a Lakers game, and we can barely talk. We’re both talkers, and the whole time I was just sitting there. Halfway through the drive, even though we were new friends at the time, I’m like, what made you pick this car? You have other cars.

And he goes, well, you’re a little kid and my son loves this car, so I picked it because of you. You’re a little kid.

JOE ROGAN: That’s hilarious.

JEFF DYE: And he was right because when he pulled up, I was like, oh, this is awesome. But then I got in and I was like, bro, we’re not built for this thing. It’s dying. But that’s your analogy. That’s not a day to day.

JOE ROGAN: No, that’s not a road trip car. You want to be in a Cadillac. Something that’s quiet and real smooth and handles bumps well.

JEFF DYE: Exactly.

JOE ROGAN: Like a person, right? You want a one night stand, you want a muscle car. You want a long term relationship, get a Lexus.

JEFF DYE: And if you go to the Lakers game, bring a goddamn SUV or something. Bring something, not real. We’re in the traffic.

JOE ROGAN: Bring something quiet with good air conditioning.

JEFF DYE: His heart was in the right place, and he was completely right.

JOE ROGAN: What car was it?

JEFF DYE: I don’t know what it is. I wouldn’t even be able to guess.

JOE ROGAN: You’re not into cars.

JEFF DYE: I love cars, but I love the cars I like. I’ve always loved big, stupid, big military vehicles. Have you seen his Hummer? Yeah. Love all that stuff.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he’s got a real Hummer with a crazy diesel turbocharged engine.

JEFF DYE: Last time I was here and I did his podcast, he had this huge Bronco that he was selling. Enough people buy tickets for it or something like that.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, that truck was a beautiful truck.

JEFF DYE: And that’s what I like, big, stupid tires. Anything in Mad Max, I loved. Anything the military drives. I was like, can I buy that? They’re like, no, this is not built for that.

JOE ROGAN: You can buy a lot of things.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, but you got to go to those auctions and shit.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. You just got to know people. Get a lot of things these days. I would love that. Yeah. There’s some crazy.

JEFF DYE: I’ve never owned anything that fits in my garage.

JOE ROGAN: No.

JEFF DYE: No. I have to park on the street all the time. I had to get rid of my last Jeep because I put 46 inch tires on it and I lifted it up. It has no doors and no top. And so it’s just parked in Sherman Oaks on the street, and I’m on the road so much, and it’s just sitting there.

JOE ROGAN: Just sitting there.

JEFF DYE: So I come back, there’d be someone would walk by with a soda and just throw it in there.

JOE ROGAN: They don’t care and they get mad at you.

JEFF DYE: Right.

JOE ROGAN: What do you have? What a douche.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. And where I am, it’s not popular to have cool big shit like that.

JOE ROGAN: Right. Sherman Oaks, it’s popular to have a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker.

The Cybertruck Controversy

JEFF DYE: It’s so annoying. I have a Cybertruck and you can’t really lift it, but since it has an air suspension, you can buy pins that make the air suspension one inch larger than whatever it’s adjusting to, because if you put a lift on it, it’s going to screw it all up.

So anyways, long story short, I have a lifted Cybertruck with big stupid tires on it, and I drive into the Comedy Store parking lot, and I’m like, this really isn’t helping my reputation. Every time I roll in everyone’s like, what is that?

JOE ROGAN: It used to be that if you had a Tesla, you were signaling that you were a left wing person. You were environmentally conscious, worried about carbon.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, that was one of the more crazy shifts. And we could come up with a thousand of these. But EVs used to be considered this great thing you’re doing.

JOE ROGAN: Well, they still are.

JEFF DYE: Unless it’s a Cybertruck.

JOE ROGAN: Unless it’s a Tesla.

JEFF DYE: I get it every day.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

JEFF DYE: In my Cybertruck.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, every day there’s a video of this lady in New Jersey. She gets out of a Cybertruck, just gets out. She was a passenger. And this lady who’s walking her dog goes, how’s it feel to be racist? And she’s like, what are you talking about? She got a ride. She wasn’t even driving. Someone dropped her off. She’s like, what are you talking about? Yeah, you’re a racist. You’re in a Cybertruck. You’re racist. And she’s like, what the f* is wrong with you? You’re crazy.

JEFF DYE: It blows my mind.

JOE ROGAN: Well, people are always looking for every possible opportunity to be a shithead. And if they can be a shithead, if they’re justified in being a shithead because they disagree with you, they would be the meanest motherf*ers just to be a shithead.

And that activity happens primarily on the left. Primarily. You don’t see that from the right. If someone pulls up in a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker, you don’t see a bunch of guys going, hey, you f*ing pussy.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, exactly.

JOE ROGAN: What are you, you supporting fing Iraq? Will you get out of our town, ISIS, with your fing bullshit f*ing bumper sticker? You don’t ever. But you get that from the left and I think it’s the Trump thing. I think Trump was such a figure, is such a figure of an attack vector that they look at him.

JEFF DYE: It’s fun for them. Yeah, they have an enemy occupies their brain at all times.

JOE ROGAN: They have an enemy.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Jimmy Kimmel’s wife was doing some podcast recently, Jimmy and the wife and the wife is saying that she has a hard time talking to her relatives because they voted for Trump. She says if you vote for Trump, you’re voting against him. Yeah, you’re voting against my husband. Been in my family.

JEFF DYE: What are you talking about? Well, I think that that’s the big psyop. They’ve made everything racial. Everything is racial. And so the last thing you want to be called is a racist. Right. So when you make it as simple as race, just that blanketly simple, then anything another color does, you’d be considered.

So you go, oh, I don’t really believe, or I think Muslims are blank, whatever that sentence is. You go, racist. And you go, well, there’s surely some things we could criticize about maybe North Korea. They go, oh, you’re racist. So it’s because it’s so simple and it’s so vague. And people love to keep vague things.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

The Comedy Lab Incident

JEFF DYE: Because then they can make their. I saw a comedian. I won’t say her name because I can’t pronounce it, but that’s why I won’t say it. Not because I’m holding back names. Marilyn Reiskib or Ricegib or whatever her name is.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, I know Marilyn.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. She used to be really nice to me. And then.

JOE ROGAN: She used to be.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, she got caught talking shit about me, and I DMed her immediately. And I think she’s a nice person.

JOE ROGAN: She’s a very nice person.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, she’s nice.

JOE ROGAN: And people get caught up in that shit.

JEFF DYE: I saw her do a bit the other night in the lab where she was texting with this guy, and he said, she said, how are you? And he said, oh, I’m just really sad today about Charlie Kirk.

And then she goes, and my hand was, my phone was on fire. I was like, ugh, what? And then the crowd laughed to her defense. The lab at the improv thought this was a hilarious premise.

And then she said, she was like, what part of his ideas did you find so gripping? What was it? His racist. She just started launching into about how the fact that a guy she liked would be sad about Charlie Kirk’s assassination was the biggest turnoff to her that she wrote a whole bit about it.

And I was just in my mind, I was like, I can’t believe that this is her take. I can’t believe it’s a take that the crowd is on board with. And I can’t believe I’m in this town anymore.

JOE ROGAN: Anymore.

JEFF DYE: That was a moment for me where I was like, what am I, am I insane?

JOE ROGAN: No.

JEFF DYE: Those are the moments where you go, I think I’m the crazy person. There’s a room full of people here who agree that Charlie Kirk must have been this terrible thing and hence deserves being publicly assassinated. And if you feel sad about it.

JOE ROGAN: You’re gross to her and she wants to throw her phone away and she wants to go.

JEFF DYE: And that’s hilarious to everyone because the simple vagueness of race. It’s this constant obsession with, you have to agree with a socialist mayor in New York or you must be a racist or Islam. They’ve just made it so vague that it’s very easy to always label or put things in a thing.

DEI and Political Ideology

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s certainly cult-like thinking involved in both the right and the left. It’s a real problem with people that identify with any political ideology, whether they identify as being a conservative or identify as being a liberal. It’s a real problem because then you lose all your objective thinking and you have to agree with everything that this side supports.

And generally that’s never a good thing to just agree with a swath of predetermined ideas. And one is that public assassinations are okay and that they’re not sad. They’re sad no matter who it is.

JEFF DYE: And I would say even if Charlie Kirk was a terrible person, even if he was, which he was not, I knew him and he was not. But even if he was, let’s say they’re right about all those things. You’re happy that he got shot?

JOE ROGAN: No. The correct way to handle someone who has bad ideas is to confront them with better ideas. It’s not a 30 odd, six round to the neck publicly where people are cheering. That’s crazy.

JEFF DYE: And they kept it vague. They keep it vague. That’s how it always works. It’s like, well, I go, well, why are you posting on social media that you’re happy about it or that you’re not sad about it? Just tell me simply why you think that. And they go, well, because his ideas were dangerous. Super vague. Didn’t say the ideas. Didn’t say how they’re dangerous or why they’re dangerous. It’s always vague.

The Problem with Clips and Context

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s also a problem with clips. When you take sound bites, very short clips out of context of what someone’s saying and then you highlight that one particular sentence and the way they said that sentence, you could frame someone in a very different way than who they really are.

And I think there was some problems with some of the things that Charlie said, the way he said them, and in the fact that you could take it as a clip. And one of them was the idea of DEI pilots. Like the idea of any lowering of standards of anyone in a really important job like a pilot. Because a person is blank, fill in the blank because they’re a lesbian or because they’re gay or because they’re white or because they’re Chinese or because they’re black or whatever it is.

If you’re lowering standards because you want more people of one thing, well, you’ve just made the skies a little more dangerous. You’ve made a very dangerous thing, which is flying a little more dangerous. So his statement was, because they’re doing this and they’re trying to get, they’re using DEI to hire people. And when I get on a plane and I see a black pilot, I hope that they’re qualified.

JEFF DYE: Or he wonders, yeah, he said, I don’t want, I hate that when I see a black pilot, my mind thinks, I wonder if they were part of a DEI hiring.

JOE ROGAN: Correct. Right. It’s a problem in the way he said it instead of saying that way. Because one of the things that I pointed out is that what DEI, especially in regards to education, the people that it discriminates the most against, people say it’s a white supremacist idea to be against DEI. The people that DEI discriminates the most against in education is Asians, because Asians f*ing kill it in universities. They kill it.

So much so that there was a giant lawsuit at Harvard because they were making their admission standards more difficult for Asian people than they were for white people, for black people, for everybody else. They made Asians more difficult because if they didn’t, half of their f*ing population in their classes would be Asian because they work harder. It’s a cultural thing.

You know, I grew up in Taekwondo and I grew up around a lot of Koreans. And man, you haven’t seen work ethic until you’ve seen first generation Koreans who come over to America and you know, they have those tiger moms and tiger dads. That’s a real thing.

JEFF DYE: That’s good.

JOE ROGAN: That is a f*, I guess.

JEFF DYE: Well, I mean, for these sort of subjects, it’s good for getting. Not great for trauma and not great for those things.

JOE ROGAN: Right?

JEFF DYE: But if we’re talking about the workforce.

Meritocracy and Work Ethic

JOE ROGAN: Or symphony, if it’s just a meritocracy, if it’s just a meritocracy, it’s like, who is the best student, who is the best this, who’s the best that. Yeah, it’s good for that, you know, but it’s the same thing. It was trying to be a champion. You only redline for so long before you go f*ing crazy.

And the lack of balance between pleasure and struggle and discipline and fun. You have to have balance if you want to have a good life. And ultimately you’re supposed to be enjoying your life. I don’t think you could truly enjoy your life without some measure of discipline. I think discipline is important. It’s the reason why you can enjoy the relaxing moments because you earn them. You have to earn them. But I do think you should have them too.

And when I was around a lot of Korean guys, my friend Jung Sik, I’ve talked about him before, but he was a national champion when we were kids. He was not as talented as other people. He wasn’t as fast, he didn’t have any unusual genetic gifts that some people had. But that motherf*er worked so hard.

He was in residency, okay? So he was in medical school while he was on the national team. So he would go to school all day and for workouts. Sometimes he would take all his books, put them in his backpack and run upstairs at the school, just run upstairs at the university. That’s how he’d get some of his cardio in.

And then he would come to the gym and he would be, you know, he’d come to the gym for nighttime training. We train at like 6 o’clock at night, 7 o’clock at night. And he would be just drained, but he would f*ing just dig in and get to it, man. And it was just, it’s that mentality is why Asians do so well in school, right? It’s this pushing from their parents, the high pressure.

And again, I don’t think it’s so good for you psychologically. I don’t do that with my kids. My kids do very well in school, but they do very well in school because of the example that I and my wife set of be a nice person, work really hard, have discipline, do the stuff you’re supposed to do. Don’t f* off, you know, get the things done that you’re supposed to do. But would they be able to compete with some kid who just came over here from China? I don’t know.

JEFF DYE: Which is why the countries like America so much is because they realize, oh, if I work as hard as I can, maybe in wherever they live. Yes, you know, India or some of these other places, it’s not a promise that they’ll succeed, but they love a capitalistic America where, yeah, if I put in the work and my kids put in the work and I force my kids to put in the work, it’ll work.

The Hypocrisy of Diversity

JOE ROGAN: This is where you see the hypocrisy of the education system, though, because they claim to be all about diversity. Asians are part of diversity. They’re a small percentage of the population in America. But they’re fing killing it. So they tried to hold them back, right? Because it’s bullsht.

JEFF DYE: That’s a problem.

JOE ROGAN: Because in their mind, Asians don’t complain as much. They get to work more. They’re not the ones that are out there organizing signs and making signs. They’re not doing that. They’re fing working. They don’t have time to be going to these rallies and cheering and chanting. They fing get to work.

So because of that, they’re not as represented when it comes to grievances. So you can get away with being racist against them, right? And you can get away with discriminating against them in higher education universities like Harvard, which is just crazy because it shows you’re lying. You’re not really caring about minorities.

You’re caring about very specific minorities because they give you social clout to represent and to fight for them. If you’re fighting for black people, if you’re fighting for trans people, those are the people that are really noisy and really loud. And if you’re on their side.

JEFF DYE: You look good, if you defend, you’re virtuous. Yeah, exactly.

JOE ROGAN: That’s what it is. It’s performative.

Gender and Comedy

JEFF DYE: I think about it every week almost. It sounds strange, but these kind of things consume me. I don’t have a wife and kids, you know. I think about these things all day. But I think about it with, in our business, you know, there are so many women who complain, oh, no girls on the lineup, or only two girls on the line. And I’m like, there’s less of you. That’s all it is.

In fact, the fact that there’s less of you in our industry is why you’re able to stand out and succeed so much quicker than your male counterparts. And so, yes, it can feel like a boys club, because it is. There’s plenty of disadvantages to being a female comedian, putting up with these comedy club owners or working the road.

JOE ROGAN: There’s fans being creepy with you.

JEFF DYE: Creepy fans.

JOE ROGAN: They’re different, 100%.

JEFF DYE: And I’m sympathetic to the things female comics have to go through, but if they just don’t understand the numbers. There’s girls in Los Angeles who are regulars at the Improv and the Laugh Factory and the Comedy Store who have been doing it a few years. And then there’s guys that I know that have been doing it 15 years who, you know, subjectively are very, very funny and subjectively funnier than them, but at least inarguably funny. And they can’t get any spots at these places because we need more women comics. I mean, we need more diverse lineups.

JOE ROGAN: They’ve literally said that we have too many white male comics.

JEFF DYE: I’ve heard it my whole career.

JOE ROGAN: It’s crazy. One crazy thing to say.

JEFF DYE: I was in Boston, and there was this long line for this festival and all this. It was to submit, to do audition. It was during Last Comic Standing times. So they were doing these things where they liked filming the line and going, look, how many people are here to try out for our festival or whatever.

And someone came out and goes, listen, if you’re a straight white guy, you better be real different. And all of us just cut. Because Boston, we’re all straight white guys. And I just remember being like, well, that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit. What does that imply? I don’t know. I only know about my circumstances. I can’t have, I can’t.

One time my agent said to me, he was talking, bragging about one of his clients. And he was like, Jeff, listen, man, you know, I got this one client, he’s handsome, his parents are deaf. You know, he’s black. He’s got all these great things that make him very interesting for the industry. I think you’re going to have to reinvent yourself or something. I was like, I can’t make things up. I don’t know what to tell you. That’s just, I’m a white guy.

The Comedy Mothership

JOE ROGAN: Just Hollywood and Hollywood’s influence with the long tentacles of the octopus. But we don’t do that in Texas. At the Mothership. It’s a meritocracy. And because it’s a meritocracy, it’s very diverse. Yeah, you got a lot of women on the lineup. You got a lot of all kinds of people, a lot of gay people.

And the one thing that people keep saying about the Comedy Mothership is, oh, it’s a right wing comedy club. The vast majority of comics at my club are left wing. The vast majority.

JEFF DYE: No, I can personally vouch for that. Yeah. But they’re reasonable lefties.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: They’re kind people who can sit in a room with a comic who doesn’t agree with their politics and still just be human. That’s great.

JOE ROGAN: We should all aspire to that. And that’s what we aspire to at that club. We don’t tolerate any bullshit ideologically, one side or the other. It’s not supposed to be about that. It’s supposed to be about the art form.

A lot of my f*ing friends are far left. I don’t care. Are you nice? Are you cool? Do you have interesting thoughts? Can we have conversations? I’m down with that. But there’s this propensity, this thing that people do where they just decide, you have a different ideology than me, so you’re the enemy. And I think that is one of the stupidest things you could do as a human being.

It’s weak. It’s simple. You’re doing something that’s just too convenient, and you’re doing it to be supported by a bunch of other f*ing morons. Because we’re in a TikTok generation where most people don’t have nuanced perspectives on things.

Comedy and Faith

JEFF DYE: I am a Christian, right? I’ve been a Christian since I was in my young 20s. I talk about it in my act, I talk about it in my life. And guess what? I have never once crashed out because of my Seattle comedian friends going on stage and calling Christians idiots or racists or fools or dummies.

I’ve never once gone, I can’t share a green room with someone who would espouse that type of hatred towards my faith. Never once. I’ve heard every joke about straight white males. I’ve heard every. And I’m nice and I can get laughs and I’m pleasant to be around in these comedy clubs.

JOE ROGAN: But that’s why you’re doing well, right?

JEFF DYE: And I am now. And I am.

JOE ROGAN: But you’re doing well because you became undeniable. And that’s the real meritocracy aspect of comedy, is that if you kill, if the audience laughs and people keep coming to see you, you have an audience.

JEFF DYE: Right?

JOE ROGAN: And the one thing that drives a lot of people crazy is I’ve done all the right things and no one comes to see me.

JEFF DYE: Because you forgot the one thing. You might have been doing the right.

JOE ROGAN: You forgot the one thing.

JEFF DYE: Be funny.

JOE ROGAN: That’s it. You fell into all the easy stuff. All the easy stuff is align yourself with the group, all the group think, all the f*ing chant, all the right stuff, say all the right things, say things that don’t even make sense.

JEFF DYE: But so that you appear. Well, that’s what I’m saying is that I got passed at the Comedy Store. Multiple comics went to the booker and was like, he shouldn’t be here. He does jokes about gay people and he does jokes about, yeah, I do. Guess what? And they kill. And I get laughs.

JOE ROGAN: And I’m.

JEFF DYE: But again, I’m. You can still come up to me and talk to me. I’m not. I like everybody. I like trans people. I have plenty of gay friends.

JOE ROGAN: You might have jokes about straight people too, though, and you are one of them.

JEFF DYE: That’s the thing. It’s also fun to be naughty, isn’t it? I love women, but I trash them pretty hard in my act. And so the only reason I was bringing all that up is that I feel like I’ve never once gone, I can’t talk to someone because of their stand up comedy.

I’m not going to go to the improv and go, Marilyn Rice Gibb shouldn’t be allowed here because what she said about Charlie Kirk and I was offended.

JOE ROGAN: I bet if you had a conversation with her about an actual conversation, it would be very reasonable.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, because people are people and we should be able to share these spaces with these people no matter what we think. I’m not so far right or so far Christian that I go, I can’t be in the same room. That’s what cult people think.

The Problem with Clips

JOE ROGAN: Also, have you had a conversation with her and confronted her with the reality of what that guy had said and some of the conversations that he had with both trans people, people of color, all kinds. He was a very kind person, 100%. The problem is you don’t look kind when there’s clips and the clips show you saying something.

JEFF DYE: Are you afraid of that?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah. Listen, I’m kind of a little bit inoculated against that because I have so many hours of me talking.

JEFF DYE: So does he.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but in a different way, where people are listening to me having these three hour conversations. It’s kind of hard to label me to anybody who’s paying attention. And it’s just. It’s also the benefit of having the biggest platform in the world.

There’s enough people that have seen so many shows that, I know who that guy is. That’s not who that guy is.

JEFF DYE: I think you’re giving them a lot of grace because you have to, because people. Are you afraid of AI? No, not afraid of AI. What I’m afraid of is clips, short context things.

Recently, I did Howie Mandel’s podcast and I got asked for the millionth time about the Marc Maron thing. And I was like, what, dude? The good part of that Marc Maron story is that we buried it, I think. Who knows? It’ll rear its head again, I’m sure.

JOE ROGAN: Not with that guy. There’s no burying anything.

JEFF DYE: I know, but I was like, how about that story? Tell that story, Howie. That we shook hands at the Comedy Store and were able to share a stage and not stage, but share a room full of stages. And Howie Mandel’s team just posted the thing.

So all the comments are like, Jeff Dye can’t stop talking about Marc Maron. Again. And that’s what I’m saying is that Charlie Kirk’s guilty of, or not guilty of it, but a victim of it. This short, real thing that is out of context. It’s not a three hour conversation.

No one’s listening to Trump in long form. No one listened to Charlie Kirk in long form. The people that were informed did. But I’m saying the everyday person is kind of just kind of collecting these excerpts and then forming a group think about those excerpts and the group think becomes their reality.

JOE ROGAN: That’s very true.

JEFF DYE: And I’m afraid of that for you.

The Benefits of Not Caring

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s true in some ways. But it also benefits you in some ways too. It’s like there’s good and bad. There’s little things that you’ll say that are funny that make it into clips and that’s good too.

It’s like the thing, I was talking to Tony about this because we were talking about people that complain about his show and talk shit about his show. I go, dude, they work for you. They don’t realize it, but they work for you. They’re the publicity arm, the negative publicity arm for the Kill Tony show. You don’t worry about it and don’t care.

JEFF DYE: You can’t. Write a book on that. Teach me how to not care.

JOE ROGAN: You just got to get to a point where you don’t have to care anymore. It’s not going to affect you. You know what I mean? But that’s. If you’re in that position where I’m in that kind of sort of. You’re not totally ever in that position, but you’re much more in that position than the average person.

It’s your duty to not care. It’s your duty to set an example and to say, look, you’re supposed to be. When you get to the top, you’re not supposed to be mean and defend it and push everybody down. You’re supposed to lift everybody up and be what you would hope the guy at the top would be.

Be supportive. Try to help other people’s careers. Try to promote them. Tell everybody how cool they are. Tell everybody how funny they are. Tell everybody good things that you know, instead of complaining all the time about everything. Find cool shit and inform people about it. Tell people cool shit that you’ve seen, cool restaurants you’ve been to, cool music you’ve listened to, cool people you met. Do that.

That’s what I try to do. And that is my obligation, I think, as in having the top podcast. You have to set an example that’s beneficial for not just me, but for everybody. And don’t. You don’t care as much. Don’t care as much about haters. You’re going to have haters. The idea that you’re not going to have people that hate you is crazy.

Fing. You could get, one of the things that I know from MMA, the greatest fighters, the best guys in their prime. There’s going to be guys coming up that say, he ain’t shit. I’ll f him up. I’ll take him out in one round.

JEFF DYE: It’s all.

JOE ROGAN: There’s always that. He’s got no defense, he’s got no chin, he’s got no heart. He’s only good when he’s winning. As soon as it gets turned on him, he’s going to fold. There’s always someone talking. And if you live your life constantly responding to those people, it’s a waste of that 100. That 100 units of attention and focus that you have. You got to protect that. You got to guard that 100 units, man. Don’t let anybody steal your units with a comment on YouTube.

JEFF DYE: And it’s never in real life for me.

JOE ROGAN: Right?

JEFF DYE: It’s never in real life.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s the problem.

JEFF DYE: I have to open this shit.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: Before I spiral out. Even in my town of Los Angeles, people go, why? Yeah, this f*ing dump. And then I’m walking around in Sherman Oaks, I’ve got my coffee, I’m seeing dogs, I’m seeing hot chicks. I’m in my barista’s like, hey, what’s up, Jeff?

JOE ROGAN: I’m friends with the weather.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. Wherever I go, because I go to the same spots and I never. I talk to everyone. So I’ve accumulated all these people who go, oh, we know that community’s the best. Or whatever. In my little community. But then I turn on my phone, you seen this Obama Babadomi guy? He’s a Muslim. He’s going to ruin New York. And then I start going, yeah, yeah. What the hell’s going on with it?

Moving to Texas

JOE ROGAN: I think New York is due for a little socialist wake up call.

JEFF DYE: Oh, yeah, they’ll wake up.

JOE ROGAN: These things balance. They’re going to have 5,000 police officers have threatened to resign.

JEFF DYE: Don’t you think New York kind of deserves it?

JOE ROGAN: Is that true? Is that true? Find out if that number’s true. Because here’s the problem with those kind of things. It’s like right wing people post stuff like that. And you’re like, is that real? You know, are they really going to defund the police? Are they really going to have some.

JEFF DYE: I am buying a house here.

JOE ROGAN: Are you in Texas?

JEFF DYE: Yep. Yeehaw. Yeah, about 30, 40 minutes from here. Nice.

JOE ROGAN: You’re already locked on it?

JEFF DYE: No, but I’m shopping for houses on Wednesday. Oh, tomorrow.

JOE ROGAN: I got a good lady if you need. If you need one. She’s the best.

JEFF DYE: I have a chick who’s pretty good. She’s the number one in Arizona.

JOE ROGAN: Arizona is not Texas.

JEFF DYE: I know, but she has all these contacts also. I just know her.

JOE ROGAN: Okay. So that. Okay. It’s good to be loyal. Yeah.

JEFF DYE: And she found a bunch of good stuff.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: About 40 minutes from here.

JOE ROGAN: Well, that’s good too. 40 minutes from here. Out, like Dripping Springs area. It’s quiet.

JEFF DYE: That’s what I want.

JOE ROGAN: I want at night, you hear?

JEFF DYE: I want to go to a lake.

JOE ROGAN: You know, be able to.

JEFF DYE: I’m kind of in this kind of LA thing, and this I could be guilty of being a victim of what I’m absorbing in my algorithm. But Gavin Newsom scares the shit out of me and I’m. I don’t want to be a part of it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he wants to run the whole country too. Pretty wild.

The LA Fires and Government Response

JEFF DYE: And those fires were quite a wake-up call. Even if you know, whatever you believe about the fires, the way it was dealt with was pretty scary.

JOE ROGAN: It was not competent, that’s for sure.

JEFF DYE: Even the aftermath.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. And the conversations about talking to different developers about doing stuff with the land. And that’s what I’m talking like, what do you—

JEFF DYE: We’ll make a smart town. You’re like, that’s kind of what the conspiracy people were saying before this stuff happened.

JOE ROGAN: See, when he’s doing a little dance in front of burnt houses, that is—are you a sociopath? Because that’s how sociopaths behave. They’re not totally broken up by the fact that a giant chunk of your city burnt to the ground.

Did 5,000 people resign? I don’t think they say they threatened to resign. There’s no credible evidence of 5,000 peace officers resigned. Okay. Why don’t you say, did they threaten to resign? I did when I typed it in Google and I got the same answers. Oh, okay.

In perplexity, it says, “Did 5,000 people resign? No. What actually happened? Official data and statements from NYPD representatives confirmed there has been no mass walkout while Police union leaders and some critics have warned of potential wave of resignations or feared attrition.” See, that was the thing. Social media posts alleging 5,000 officers—I didn’t see any that said resign. I said I saw something that said are threatening to resign.

Go back to where I was reading once. Have been debunked as rumors or satire. NYPD has about 33,745 uniform officers as of late 2025, with staffing down only slightly from the previous year. So it’s maybe one of those things where someone talked to some people and they said, I know a lot of guys, a lot of guys are threatening to resign.

The Reality of Being a Police Officer

JEFF DYE: I mean that’s a serious thing to talk about anyways, whether it’s true or not on the numbers. It’s not a fun time to be a police officer. For the last, pre-Black Lives Matter—I knew, I know a lot of cops just in my life. I used to perform once a year for their Christmas thing at the LAPD.

Great audience members you want to talk about. Good audience members. Police, military, nurses, anyone who deals with real life. Very good audience members.

JOE ROGAN: They can take a joke.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. Oh, great. Taking jokes. And they need to see the humor in life. They’re looking for a clown to laugh at because they deal with real sh*t.

But that aside, in the last eight years, when cops tell me they’re cops, it shows. It’s like, “Hey, you know, I’m a police—” and I’m like, what’s with this embarrassment? Why are you, why do you feel like you need to be an undercover police officer when you’re whispering it?

Yeah, why? I like cops. I think that they’re great. They have to go into someone’s worst day of their life every day. Anytime you’ve ever had to call a cop, it’s not a great day. It’s not a great thing that’s happening. And they have to enter someone’s worst day every 15 minutes or every hour.

And I have a tremendous amount of respect for people that do that. And they feel ashamed to be a cop because they’ve been vaguely blanketed as oppressors or racist or some sort of power hungry bad guys. And that’s probably a little worse in NYPD right now as far as being in the city with what’s going on. So I imagine there’s a lot of people who are threatening. Same way whenever someone’s president isn’t the president they want. They go, “I’m going to move.” They make those kind of threats.

JOE ROGAN: Some people do move.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, some people do. A lot of rich guys are really getting at it. I respect Rogan. Don’t you respect that? Every celebrity says they’re going to leave. Well, it’s dumb that they left because now they just can’t vote.

JOE ROGAN: And now that you’re living in Ireland.

JEFF DYE: But at least they said what they were going to do.

JOE ROGAN: You’re living in England. And then your neighbors in England don’t like you either. Yeah.

JEFF DYE: Because they’re like, yeah, exactly. That’s true. But at least they left.

JOE ROGAN: They’re moved to a new place in England.

JEFF DYE: Hundreds of celebrities said they would leave and didn’t.

JOE ROGAN: That’s true. Yeah.

JEFF DYE: There’s always a lot of that.

JOE ROGAN: A lot of people said they were going to move to Canada. Great. Good luck with that.

JEFF DYE: But now you’re just America light.

JOE ROGAN: Well, you’re America communist now. Canada’s nuts.

JEFF DYE: But now you’re still reliant on America.

Canada’s Assisted Suicide Program

JOE ROGAN: I know. Something that I wanted to look up that I just read—put this in a perplexity. One out of 20 deaths last year, I read this article that was saying was assisted suicide. That can’t be true. That can’t be true.

JEFF DYE: Where’d you see it?

JOE ROGAN: Because Canada has an assisted suicide program. A national assisted suicide program. Yeah.

JEFF DYE: Could you imagine if there’s some corruption in that?

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s corruption in everything, Jeff. Everything.

JEFF DYE: Every f*ing thing.

JOE ROGAN: There’s corruption of religion. Right. There’s corruption in science. There’s corruption in medicine, which becomes a—

JEFF DYE: Great excuse to not be a part of those things, you know? Oh, I won’t even question if I have a creator because there’s fouled people in the church. You’re like, that’s so stupid.

JOE ROGAN: Well, yeah. Attack it for Canada. Wow. In America. Canada. Yeah. Put. Let me see.

JEFF DYE: There’s still a lot in it.

JOE ROGAN: Put those. Show the perplexity. Look at this. This is crazy. Medical assistance in dying, known as MAID, also as known as assisted suicide or euthanasia, accounted for approximately 4.7% of all deaths in Canada. That’s wild. That is so crazy.

JEFF DYE: How do we get more specific? What would be an example of—

JOE ROGAN: We’ll read into it. This proportion is equivalent to about 1 in 20 deaths across the country. That is so f*ing insane. 1 out of 20 people who die in Canada are getting assisted suicide.

How many of those fing people you could have given mushrooms to? They could have had an ibogaine journey. Maybe they could have fing done something differently with their life to get them out of depression. How many of them could have gotten alternative medical treatments that have dealt with their condition?

So what are the conditions? Did you put that in there? Average age of them is 77. So they’re actually old. Yeah, that is old. But however, you know, my mom’s 80, she’s great. What’s going on? Yeah, she doesn’t want to—what is it? Are you not just because you’re 77, are you not enjoying life or is it 1 out of 20 people are dying of a terminal illness and I am being short sighted because I’m not—they’re going to die soon anyway. They choose to die on their own. Is that the case?

Track one is natural death is reasonably foreseeable and track two is not reasonably for natural death. Right. So track two recipients. This is where it gets weird because some of them were chronically obese. Some of them were chronically depressed. They were doing it for people that don’t really have a disease.

So what are the parameters? Let’s put this. Ask a follow up. What do you have to have wrong with you to qualify for MAID in Canada? Just ask that.

JEFF DYE: How do you qualify?

JOE ROGAN: Because if it’s just you’re depressed, that’s scary. That’s crazy.

JEFF DYE: Right? And very irresponsible. If you have cancer and they’re trying to just—I’m done with my fight, please help me.

JOE ROGAN: Right?

JEFF DYE: Is what track one is. That’s on my track two.

JOE ROGAN: Be at least 18 years old and capable of making health care decisions. Be eligible for publicly funded health service. Okay, that’s normal. Voluntary request informed consent. Have a serious and incurable illness, disease or disability causing enduring and intolerable suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions acceptable to the person.

But that’s the key word, the key phrase there. Acceptable to the person is interesting. Be in advanced state of irreversible decline in capability. Okay, are people with depression—just write severe. Are people with severe depression eligible for MAID? Write that. Severe depression. Because a lot of people would say that is an incurable disease. Where would we be without the red squiggly line? I don’t know how to spell anything.

JEFF DYE: I can’t spell anything ever. I never have been.

JOE ROGAN: Jamie, you’re rolling the dice with eligible. You’re an animal.

In Canada, people whose sole underlying medical condition is severe depression or any other mental illness eligible for medical assistance in dying. This temporary exclusion includes psychiatric conditions like depression and personality disorders. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone in March 17, 2027.

However, people with mental illnesses may be eligible if they have a grievous or irremediable—boy, that’s a word. Have you ever said that word? Irremediable? Irremediable. I’ve never said that word physical, but I’ve never even seen that. Irremediable physical health condition that meets MAID’s criteria. The government has delayed eligibility expansion for mental illness due to concerns around safety and appropriate safeguards. When MAID for mental illness becomes legal.

JEFF DYE: They say it like it will be 27th March.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, okay. That’s what I’d read. Okay. This was the issue. So they were going to—okay. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone until March 17, 2027. So there’s a year and a few months, and then these people are eligible for this as of severe depression alone does not qualify.

So what it seems like is a lot of people that are just not doing well, it’s the end of their life, and they’re like, I’d like to go out on my own terms. I don’t want to just walk into a library with a .44 and make people clean up.

JEFF DYE: Or they go, I’m a financial burden on my family.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

JEFF DYE: Or those kind of things.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: When you’re an old person, you feel a little guilt that, my kids—

JOE ROGAN: That’s true. And also, sometimes people, one of their loved ones dies and they don’t want to be alone. They can’t. They’ve been with this person for 45 years.

JEFF DYE: My dad just died and my mom is not doing great with—she’s been with him since she was 17.

JOE ROGAN: It’s very hard. My grandfather died one year after my grandmother died, and he was fine up until then. And it was just the grief was just intolerable.

Dealing with Loss and Cognitive Decline

JEFF DYE: Yeah. And she’s feeling a lot of guilt because he was kind of cognitively—I don’t know how to say it politely. He was just kind of not himself for the last year. And so when he passed, my mom did feel a little relief. I’m kind of his caretaker.

JOE ROGAN: Right, Right.

JEFF DYE: And so then feel guilt about the relief, you know? You know, I don’t want to feel relieved that someone that I’ve known my whole life is gone. And then now trying to mourn that. You know, it’s very, very complicated.

JOE ROGAN: And it’s real hard when someone has dementia or Alzheimer’s or anything along those lines.

JEFF DYE: The patience that these people have to work with dementia and those kind of—even an eating disorder is, you know, you can’t really communicate it to the person when they have this body dysmorphia or these—it’s something as simple as that.

Yeah, those people are saints that can work with absolutely anybody cognitively or any kind of dysphoria. That’s—I mean, those are heroes to me because I don’t have the patience for it. I’m very direct. I’m very want to have a good time. I’m not good at being like, how—don’t you see this?

JOE ROGAN: Apparently some really promising treatments for dementia and Alzheimer’s. One of them, one of those dementia or Alzheimer’s was the supplement of supplementation with selenium. See if you can find what that is. So I was thinking, I glanced at quickly and I was like, I better—

JEFF DYE: Really. I probably shouldn’t say this on here, but there’s a beautiful, great woman named Lydia who I’ve been hanging out with, and her mom had some sort of dementia or something like this, and she gave—their family had a real long debate about what the doctor recommended was shock therapy. And it worked.

JOE ROGAN: Really?

Shock Therapy and Medical Procedures

JEFF DYE: It works for now, I guess. At least they’re all going, “Wait, now she’s saying, didn’t you just come over last week? And we talked about that?” She’s having things. That’s why I’m saying I don’t know if I should say it on here, because there was a positive outcome of the shock therapy.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It’s funny because someone just sent me a link to a documentary on shock therapy that was a negative thing. “Can you believe they’re still doing shock therapy?” And I said, I don’t know much about that. You know, the only shock therapy I’ve ever heard was like, you hear about the horror stories? I don’t know.

JEFF DYE: Right.

JOE ROGAN: One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.

JEFF DYE: Those are lobotomies, though, right?

JOE ROGAN: I think that was a shock therapy thing.

JEFF DYE: I thought those were lobotomies.

JOE ROGAN: Well, might be. It might be.

JEFF DYE: We’ve all agreed. Although, dude, they were doing them long after they were out. Yeah. Because those guys wanted money.

JOE ROGAN: I think it was like the year I was born or the year before I was born, they stopped doing them.

JEFF DYE: I heard all these stories about there would be like people who would still, you know, on the fringes of it because they didn’t want to shut down their practice. So they’d be like, “Hey, you know, we’ll still give it to you.”

JOE ROGAN: This is an abortion.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. And they would be like, “This authoritarian government’s not even letting people have lobotomies. But we’ll still do it. I’m the doctor that’ll still do it.”

JOE ROGAN: Lobotomy is it?

JEFF DYE: Am I saying, dude, you don’t want Joe Fruit? For a big part of my life, I thought it was Sarah Bell’s palsy. Hold on.

JOE ROGAN: What did you just say the movie was shock therapy? Yeah, I watched. Oh, it was.

JEFF DYE: And the Sarah Bell’s palsy.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

JEFF DYE: We’re watching this game or something, and the guy looked crazy, and I go, “Looks like he’s got Sarah Bell’s palsy,” my friend. No one laughed, no one left. Which is a good comedy note is that if you say a thing wrong or it’s a false premise or something, no one’s on board with it.

JOE ROGAN: But if you say it around comedians.

JEFF DYE: Well, I said around a bunch of people watching football. I got, “Looks like he’s got a Sarah Bell’s palsy.” And everyone just looked at me, and my friend Katie’s like, “Did you say Sarah bells?” And I was like, “Wasn’t that what it is?” She’s like, “Cerebral palsy.” And I was like, “I don’t know.”

JOE ROGAN: I’ve never seen the movie, so I don’t know how it ended. It says they discovered at the end he had been lobotomized. Right.

JEFF DYE: The big chief guy was lobotomized.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the part of the movie.

JEFF DYE: The big boy.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. Oh, so he was lobotomized, but was Jack Nicholson supposedly lobotomized as well?

JEFF DYE: They were just in a cuckoo house.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but at the end. Shock therapy here. Right? They did shock therapy, but remember at the end he was like totally docile. Maybe they were letting you know he got lobotomized too. Probably. They did that forever. When did they stop doing lobotomies? Wasn’t like 67, please.

JEFF DYE: Lobotomy.

JOE ROGAN: When they stopped doing lobotomies.

JEFF DYE: This is a thing I have.

JOE ROGAN: What year was it?

JEFF DYE: I love to talk about plenty of things I know and don’t know about.

JOE ROGAN: You know, it’s fun.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: One doctor did almost all of them. He did one third of them.

JEFF DYE: That’s a lot.

JOE ROGAN: How many did he do?

JEFF DYE: How rich was he? Let’s say.

JOE ROGAN: What was his net worth? He had a nice.

JEFF DYE: I bet he had a huge.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, one third of his 3,500 lobotomies performed were successful and 490 resulted in fatalities.

JEFF DYE: Wait, hold on.

JOE ROGAN: He killed 490 people? Successful in their brain.

JEFF DYE: Which ones were successful?

JOE ROGAN: Perfect. They’re perfect. Billy just drools now. He doesn’t f* the dog.

JEFF DYE: He’s not annoying us with his, what? You know, undiagnosed autism. Now he’s like, now he just sits there. It’s not successful.

JOE ROGAN: Hey, he doesn’t f* the dog anymore. It’s a success. That’s the guy. Oh, that creepy looking psycho.

JEFF DYE: Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. That’s how they did it.

JOE ROGAN: They went right through the eyeball.

JEFF DYE: I thought they went through the nose. No, they go through the Netherwood.

JOE ROGAN: They could do both problems.

JEFF DYE: Oh, there’s the nose. That’s the one.

JOE ROGAN: I knew they do both ways. Through the nose. Through the fing eyeball. Fing God damn it. And at the end, look, he’s happy.

JEFF DYE: Oh, I thought he’s got a thumbs up. He was a mess. I thought he was going, “Hell, yeah.” I’m like, “I feel great.”

JOE ROGAN: Imagine if they just scrambled it a little. So it’s like you’re just on ecstasy all day. Wee. I love everybody.

Mushrooms and Altered States

JEFF DYE: I will say, the first time I did mushrooms, I was like, because my buddy’s like, “The cool thing about mushrooms is that you don’t want, it’s not like cocaine or E or anything. You’re not going to become addicted to mushrooms. You’re not going to want to do mushrooms every day.” And then the second I did mushrooms, I was sitting in the chair and…

JOE ROGAN: I was like, you guys were wrong.

JEFF DYE: And they’re like, “What?” I got, “I just want to feel like this all the time.” They’re like, “You lost your mind.” Like, “This is the right state of being for me.”

JOE ROGAN: It’s the best. It should be legal.

JEFF DYE: It’s the best drug.

JOE ROGAN: It’s better at making people better people than anything. Yes.

JEFF DYE: All I wanted to do and still since then is like, let’s just talk and connect and let’s find a way to be nice. Yeah, let’s be good. Let’s be nice to each other.

JOE ROGAN: Nobel Prize for the, not the same doctor, but a different doctor.

JEFF DYE: Okay, wait.

JOE ROGAN: Nobel Prize. That’d make people go ahead and get it, right? So they started getting him in 35 and then 49. Dr. Moniz won the Nobel Prize for it. And so Dr. Freeman was the guy who did one third of them. Yeah, he made it a 10 minute procedure.

JEFF DYE: Nice.

JOE ROGAN: In and out. Nice. You come in you got an appointment at noon. Come in at 11. I’ll be there drooling in the parking lot at 11:35.

JEFF DYE: It’s like a chiropractor. Just come in, we’ll give a, yeah, we’ll snap a, dude. You’ll be at Chipotle in no time.

Chiropractors and Alternative Medicine

JOE ROGAN: I keep reading stories about people that get paralyzed forever because of chiropractors.

JEFF DYE: Oh, really?

JOE ROGAN: There’s been a ton of those stories.

JEFF DYE: Do you ever go to them? You’re a body guy?

JOE ROGAN: No, I don’t go to them anymore. I went to them back in the day before I read up on how chiropractors learn. You know when they say “I’m a doctor,” they don’t go to medical school for three seconds.

JEFF DYE: That’s why I hate all those arguments of authority. “You’re not a scientist. You’re not…”

JOE ROGAN: It’s like, well, neither. They. Kind of like something invented by a magnetic healer who was a kook who learned about it in a seance. He was a complete kook. And then he was killed by his son, who was a con man. His son ran him over with a car. And then his son took over the business and that’s, and then it got grandfathered in.

JEFF DYE: Then he won a Nobel Peace, Brian.

JOE ROGAN: But he got grandfathered in. But here’s the thing. Manipulating the body in a positive way, like adjusting you, has some benefits. Deep tissue massage has a lot of benefits, like manipulating tissue. I get a trigger point massage. Really painful, but it’s very effective. There’s real benefits to it. So there’s things that chiropractors do that do have like a real beneficial effect on your body being able to recover.

But the claims, at least in the beginning, are not the initial claims. “It’s going to cure leukemia, thyroid cancer. I’m just going to adjust your back. It’s a C4, C5 disconnection. Pop.” And then they grab you and yank your neck.

JEFF DYE: That’s so scary.

JOE ROGAN: And sometimes people have fing hemorrhages from these things because they violently yank your neck and a blood vessel pops. You have a fing stroke. Yeah. And that’s not happened just once. It’s happened a bunch of times.

JEFF DYE: I grew up playing video games too, where I, and watching all these action movies, you know. And I thought that just twisting a guy’s head like, you know, like you kill him. You think that’s all it took? You know, like I snuck up that guy in the video game and just, that’s all I did.

JOE ROGAN: Well, chiropractors, he’s doing all the…

JEFF DYE: All day do it.

JOE ROGAN: You ever seen him do it to babies? No. Oh, my God. It’s so crazy. People that are like full on nuts have their babies brought to a chiropractor. And the chiropractor is adjusting the baby’s skull and moving the baby.

JEFF DYE: Your parental ideas of like, they’re all scrapped. You’re supposed to keep it safe. The idea of handing into a chiropractor.

JOE ROGAN: They believe it, and so they think they’re doing a good thing.

JEFF DYE: Jamie, Am I allowed to ask Jamie to bring things?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. F*, yeah.

JEFF DYE: Jamie, can you bring up some dog chiropractors? Yeah. And the dogs look at the chiropractor like, “What’d you just do?” But also, I do feel a little bit better. The dog’s so sweet about it. Like, “I think I’m good, actually.”

JOE ROGAN: You got to get the right dog.

JEFF DYE: A lot of pit bulls because they’re all strong and s* and so like, they’ll just adjust it. Yeah, I’ve seen like montages of it, and it’s pretty adorable.

JOE ROGAN: Why is he going to do this dog’s neck? Please don’t. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

JEFF DYE: And look at the dog looking up at him.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think you need to do that to that dog. I don’t think that’s necessary.

JEFF DYE: Watch this. Look, the way he looks at him.

JOE ROGAN: But here’s the thing. What studies are they showing where this is all good? That’s a Belgian Malinois, bro.

JEFF DYE: That thing might hear it, but it goes.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t want to hear it. I don’t know if that does anything. I don’t know if that’s good. I think if you got your dog a massage, it would be really good for them. Yeah. I think all that snapping and the popping, like, are you loosening it up and making it more mobile? Well, if that’s the case, you can do that with spinal decompression and massage. I have this thing.

JEFF DYE: I’ve been doing it with my friends dogs, and they’ve been loving it.

JOE ROGAN: I put this thing on my neck. I’m like, don’t do that. You’re going to get bes. I put this thing on my head. It goes underneath my chin. It’s got like a rope.

JEFF DYE: Oh, yeah.

JOE ROGAN: A hoop that hangs on my chin up bar. And I just…

JEFF DYE: I’ve seen them advertise it because you use it.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, there you go. Look at this. He’s giving his dog a back crack. Oh, bro, the camel’s clutch. Dude, the dog is sweet. He’s letting you do your nonsense, dude, this guy. Dogs just love getting rubbed.

JEFF DYE: That’s all it is. Yeah, that’s all petting is kind of a massage, you know, that’s what they love.

JOE ROGAN: They love massages. They don’t have to pretend they don’t. You love massages, too. Everybody does.

JEFF DYE: We don’t have to ask them about that. They like it.

Dogs and Human Connection

JOE ROGAN: If we were like dogs, everybody would just lie down on the floor and let people rub them.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, it’d be fine.

JOE ROGAN: You come over my house, dude. Marshall will lie down immediately and let you rub them.

JEFF DYE: That’s my favorite thing about dogs.

JOE ROGAN: He assumes you want to rub his belly.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. Dogs don’t go, “This guy’s probably a…” Who do you vote for? Dogs aren’t ever worried. My dog goes up to a homeless guy.

JOE ROGAN: They don’t care what’s up, homeless guy?

JEFF DYE: Yeah, it’s like he loves them.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, they’re the best. We don’t deserve them.

The Chiropractor Debate

JOE ROGAN: But I don’t think they should go to a chiropractor. But people that think that you should bring your dog, it’s because they believe in the chiropractors. There’s a great article called “Chiropractors are Bullsh*t.” Pull that article up. The lady who wrote it was on the podcast, and I read the article, and then I had her explain it to me. Yeah, it was back in LA, and I was like, oh, this is a nutty thing. I thought they were doctors. I thought they were actually doctors.

JEFF DYE: I went to one of those ones. It’s called the Joint. You can just walk in and they’ll do it. I think a lot of it for me was placebo. I just thought, oh, they told me this is good for me, so I’m doing it. I wasn’t having pain or anything.

JOE ROGAN: Yves Detrement is the lady who was on the podcast that wrote this article. But it’s crazy.

JEFF DYE: I like the title.

JOE ROGAN: It’s a crazy story.

JEFF DYE: Very direct.

JOE ROGAN: When you read the story of how it was invented, you’re like, this is nuts. Because it’s one of those things that’s just grandfathered in. And if you’re allowed to be doctor, we should be Doctors of Comedy. Wouldn’t you like to be Dr. Jeff? Jeff MD, dude, yeah.

JEFF DYE: Oh, wait, not MD.

JOE ROGAN: What would it be? But you’re giving people laughter, which is the best medicine. So I think we should get Doctors of Comedy. Maybe we should do that as a mothership. Just start handing out Doctors of Comedy.

JEFF DYE: That’s how you get past kind of…

JOE ROGAN: You headline, you do your first theater tour, I’ll give you a doctorate.

JEFF DYE: I worked under Ron White, and then I got my…

JOE ROGAN: I mentored Ron White. Exactly.

Ron White and the Move to Texas

JOE ROGAN: Ron White was patient zero here because Ron moved out here before the pandemic.

JEFF DYE: Really?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. He’s the reason why I decided to move out here, because Ron and I have been real close forever. And knowing him from the Comedy Store, he was always one of the coolest guys to hang out with. He’s the best. And so we were hanging out in the back bar and he was telling me he’s moving to Texas.

JEFF DYE: I go, what?

JOE ROGAN: What are you doing? You’re here. Don’t go, this is nuts. He’s like, oh, it’s the best. He goes, I’ll keep my house out here in Beverly Hills, but this f*ing place is… The food’s the best, the people are nice. If I want to fly, I’m in the middle, right? It’s three hours here, three hours there. And I was like, damn, he’s got a good point.

So when the sht started getting weird in LA and they were burning cop cars on the freeway, that’s when daddy was like, I got to get out of here. My kids are little, 10 and 12 at the time, the little ones. And I was like, this is dangerous. And we all agreed, it just doesn’t feel right. I don’t feel like they’re going to open this up. I think this is bullsht. Let’s get the f* out of here.

JEFF DYE: It’s not like you’re an actor. Exactly.

JOE ROGAN: Right, exactly.

JEFF DYE: I was like, you acted, but you weren’t an actor.

JOE ROGAN: I wasn’t interested in doing it anymore. And we were flying a lot of the guests out anyway, and I was like, I’ll figure it out. I’ll do Zoom calls. I don’t want to do this. I don’t want to live here. I want to live my life. I’d be happy making less money and doing it somewhere else. And maybe it’s not as good.

Expanding the Mothership

JEFF DYE: Have you thought about making other motherships?

JOE ROGAN: We did. We have. We’ve talked about where. We talked about New York, we’ve talked about Vegas.

JEFF DYE: What about Florida?

JOE ROGAN: We’ve talked. Here’s the thing. To do it, I mean, this is just based on what we’ve done in Austin. What we did in Austin is a once in a lifetime opportunity where we hit every green light, every green light along the way. We got in the right spot.

So the only way this club happens, first of all, is I’m friends with Adam Eget. And I’ve been friends with Adam Eget from back when he was running the Improv in Tempe. So that’s when I knew him. I knew him from back then. And then he came to California and he started working at the Comedy Store when I had already been banned. So I had been banned and I had gone on my seven year exodus, and he came to meet me at the Improv.

JEFF DYE: They showed you, by the way, what Comedy Store banned. They really showed you, dude.

The Comedy Store Ban and Return

JOE ROGAN: So he came to meet me at the Improv and he’s like, dude, come back. It’s, you know, I’m there now. I’m the talent coordinator. And I thought about it and then I wound up coming back because of Ari. Because Ari Shafir is one of my closest friends and he was filming his special there. And I had known Ari since he was a doorman. I knew him when he was a doorman there. And now he’s filming a special. I’m like, I don’t give a f*. I have to be there. I have to be there for him.

And I went there a day before just so I could relax because it was weird because I hadn’t been there in seven years. And it was super friendly, hugged everybody. It was great. And then I saw Ari and Ari killed. And the special was awesome. And it was just such a happy moment to see him accomplish this thing. Going from being a doorman to having your own Comedy Central special while he’s also doing a show on Comedy Central. That’s what he’s doing. This Is Not Happening.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, I was on that.

JOE ROGAN: So it was like, I had to come back. So that was 2014. And becoming really good friends with Adam and knowing him from the Improv, knowing him from back in the day, and then becoming friends with him when he was the talent coordinator. We had talked about, what are the problems with running a club? What is the problems with people telling you, oh, you have to have more this on your show or more that on your show, or you’re problematic and people getting mad about this, mad about that.

I’m like, it’s got to be a meritocracy. As much as that bothers some people, the people that bothers, they’re never good. David Tell’s never complaining about diversity. You know what I’m saying? It’s like the people that are complaining generally they’re mediocre at best. And he was like, you’re right. I go, but you can’t give in to them because there’s a lot of them. And they yell and they make it seem like it’s a big deal. But the big deal is laughs. Being doing good comedy, being having an original idea, being funny. Here’s the world through my eyes. This is how I’ve crafted it for you. That’s all it is. Everything else is a f*ing distraction. And we both agreed on that.

Building the Mothership

JOE ROGAN: And so when the Comedy Store shut down and then I moved out here, there was a long time where I was like, I don’t know what to do. Do I stop doing comedy now and just do this podcast? No one’s doing comedy. It was months and months of no comedy. And then Dave and I started doing shows at Stubbs. So Dave was like, I want to do a show at Stubbs. Let’s do a residency there. I’m like, f*, yeah, let’s do it.

So he and I had done a ton of shows, a bunch of arena shows before the pandemic together. And so the Stubbs thing came along, and I was like, okay, yeah, let’s just do this. All right, we’re doing this now, and I guess we’re doing comedy again. And then we started doing comedy at the Vulcan. And the Vulcan is indoor, and it’s loud and it’s rowdy, and it was naughty. It was crazy. You doing a November 2020 indoor show, punk rock.

And so when that was happening, then everybody started moving here. Then everything got weird, and I was like, whoa, we got Tom Segura moved here. Duncan Trussell moved here. Tony Hinchcliffe moved here. Brian Simpson moved here. I was like, whoa, we got a crew here. And then it just kept escalating. Derek Poston moved here. Hasan Ahmad moved here. I’m like, we got a real crew here. And then it just kept escalating. Tim Dillon came. It was over and over again. Joe DeRosa came. Shane Gillis came.

And so while all this was happening, where all these guys were at least talking about moving there, it feels better here. The scene feels more alive because LA was still shut down. And so then Ron White basically grabbed me by the shoulders one night after he hadn’t done stand up in six months. And he grabs me, goes, “Whatever the f* we have to do, we’re going to keep doing this. You got to open up a club.” I’m like, we’re going to open up a club. Let’s go. And then that’s how it all started.

But we had to hit every light. Adam had to be out of a job. All the people that we got from the Comedy Store that were great, we brought over a bunch of people. They all had to be out of a job.

JEFF DYE: Right.

JOE ROGAN: So the Comedy Store had to be closed. Otherwise, why would you leave the Comedy Store? It’s the greatest place on Earth. Yeah. So then it was like everything else had to be closed down. So the comics knew that they could do stand up in Texas. And so, well, let’s just go to Texas. And people decided, I like doing stand up more than I like living in LA.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And then once they came out here, they realized, I think I like it out here better. It is.

The Austin Comedy Scene

JEFF DYE: It’s amazing what you’ve got. Also, my favorite thing about the scene here is the mothership helps everything around as well. So I can’t get over every time that I’ve been here, how inviting, how cool all the young comics are. All these guys who would chew off their arm to get a spot at your club are here for it. And they’re here at these other places. They’re doing all these other things because they believe in what the mothership’s doing. And there’s all this other stuff.

So it has the most buzz as far… Not buzz. That’s a stupid word. It has a feeling. It has this vibe. It has this aura. Whereas that used to be in New York and that used to be in LA, and I don’t feel it in those places anymore. I’m actually lucky that I can go to the Cellar and I can go do the Stand and I can do those things. I can go to the Comedy Store, I go to the Improv. I’m at a place where they’ll have me.

But there’s not a bunch of young guys doing small shows and excited at the idea of even going over to the store after their spots. And your club has that.

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s a couple things it has an advantage of. Right. One is Kill Tony. That’s the biggest advantage. The big advantage is there’s a show that’s Monday night that is the biggest live comedy show on planet Earth, and you might be able to get on it. And if you’ve got a tight minute and you can fing kill, they’re going to ask you back. And if you got another tight minute, oh, my God, you might have a fing career. You might have a f*ing career, and that’s happened time and time again. Cam Patterson is on SNL right now.

JEFF DYE: Yes, sir.

The Comedy Club Revolution

JOE ROGAN: And that came straight out of Kill Tony 100%. And Cam is super f*ing talented, but so is Hans Kim, so is William Montgomery. There’s a lot of people coming out of there that do great and they have a real career now. Ari Matty has a real career now. It’s amazing. Casey Rocket. It’s an amazing resource, 100%.

So that’s the big one, is that there’s a real pathway. And then there’s also two nights of open mic night. Two nights. So we make sure we have plenty of open mic night time. You get to do an open mic night at the best club in the world.

And then on top of that, the club is the only club that I know of that was designed not to make money. All I wanted to do is break even. I’m like, I just don’t want to lose any money, because it’s so much money to make a club and build it in the first place. You have to buy a building, you have to hire all these people to fix it. It’s a lot of money invested. I’m like, I just don’t want to lose a lot of money.

JEFF DYE: Which is why a lot of owners have terrible reputations. Because they do all these corner cutting or they’re trying to f* you up. And so…

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: But they’re also desperate in a way. Like these guys, I like club owners, but there’s a lot of crazy club owners and they feel that pressure of like, I got to keep this alive. I don’t want to keep losing money.

JOE ROGAN: I used to tell comics, be nice to club owners because you don’t want to be one. You do not want to be one. And then I went and became one.

JEFF DYE: But still. But you’re doing it honorably.

JOE ROGAN: I’m lucky that I have the other ways of making a living. Right. Most club owners, they’re club owner by definition. That’s what they do for a job. This is not what I do for a job. This is just… I do this literally to make a comedy environment. So the club is set up so the comedians get most of the money because that’s how it should be.

JEFF DYE: That’s great.

JOE ROGAN: People aren’t coming to see drinks. Right. They’re coming to see a guy do his art. A woman do her art on stage. So that person should get most of the money. And that’s how it should be. And it should be that way because it’s the right way to do it. And because it builds the art form, you have more people making money.

So they don’t have to leave as much. They don’t have to go out of town as much. They can stay in town and develop and work on new stuff. And there’s all these satellite rooms. There’s the Sunset Strip. That’s right down the street from us. You could walk there in three minutes. That’s Red Band’s club. It’s Killing Creek. The Cay is an awesome spot. That’s where Gillis filmed his first YouTube special. He filmed it too.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: It’s amazing. It’s a great club. That’s another club. We did a lot during the Pandemic. And then you’ve got all these other clubs. Cap City’s a great f*ing club that’s just 20 minutes away.

JEFF DYE: They’re all…

JOE ROGAN: There’s a bunch of these satellite rooms all around this place that are killing it right now. Because comedy is a fun thing to do.

JEFF DYE: People love it.

JOE ROGAN: And we can do it in a way where it’s not connected to fing Hollywood. It’s not connected to movies. It’s not connected to TV. It’s an art form in and of itself that had been prostituted out for so long that people thought the golden goose was be a late night talk show host. That was the golden goose. A job that I wouldn’t… There’s no fing way. If they doubled my money, I’d be like, I’m not doing that. I can’t do it. It’s not me.

The Pure Love of Stand-Up

JEFF DYE: Right? When it’s also not really stand up so many times. Like people like, so do you want to… are you doing this because you want to be a movie star? I was like, no, I’m doing it because I love stand up comedy.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: I just watched the Starting Five on Netflix. They follow NBA players and the annoying part is their wives and girlfriends. I think that’s the annoying part. I want to hear them talk about basketball, the thing they love, right? That inspires me because I look at the way I pursue comedy, the way they pursue their basketball, their career.

So anyways. But what I was inspired by was Kevin Durant, who I thought I hated my whole life, was awesome. He just wants to play basketball. Like that’s all it is for him. He’s like, yeah, I just want to go out there and hoop. And he keeps going to that thing of like, man, I don’t want to have these arguments in barbershops about the greatest ever or any of those things.

He makes money, but it’s not about the money for him, and it’s not about the chicks. Those are all symptoms of what he pursues. And I love that because I’m like, yeah, I just love the joke part. I love that I can write a bit and then that night, try it, and people love it. Or they go, what an interesting idea. Or that’s funny, or that’s naughty, or that’s… I’ve never thought of it like this.

When you’re campaigning on a political trail or whatever, when you go to the Trump rally or I don’t know what Kamala Harris called her thing. But those aren’t undecided voters. Those are people who are there because they’re already in. You’re not even talking to anyone who’s considering voting for anyone else when you go to a thing like that.

But with stand up comedy, when they’re in that audience, they’re just looking at you and going, hey, bro, bring me some jokes.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: And so I can now do jokes about what I think and what I believe. And the crowd will listen to me and decide if I’m not funny or funny. But you’re getting into their ear. You’re getting into them going, I’ve never thought of it like that. That guy was making some pretty good jokes up there about a subject that I thought I wouldn’t hear.

It’s just like, I think comedy is such a gift that way. But I was like, I think I’m like Kevin Durant. I like the girls and I like the money, and I love all that stuff. But for me, I did a spot here. I can’t remember what it was. And they were like, dude, we can’t thank you enough for coming. And I was like, what are you talking about? I get up on any f*ing stage and he tried to slide me money, I go give it to the other guys. Like, I came to do this because I was happy you’d have me on. Like, I just couldn’t.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a great attitude.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, it’s so much better to do.

JOE ROGAN: So much better.

JEFF DYE: Tell jokes. Yeah, I don’t need to be famous. That would be a good symptom. That’d be a great symptom of it.

JOE ROGAN: But it also comes with its own problem.

JEFF DYE: You know, all those other stuff.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, all those stuff. But that’s the best attitude is just love what you do. Love what you do. And all the success comes because of it. But the moment you start thinking about the success only, and then making decisions based only on getting and attaining more success instead of thinking about the thing, you know.

JEFF DYE: And that’s what they do. They seduce you. They go, want to be in this movie? Want to be hyenas. Like you were saying, hyenas.

JOE ROGAN: They circle.

JEFF DYE: But I don’t want to be an actor. And thank you for the opportunity. And I love that you believe you can make some money off me by putting me in that. But for me, walking my a into a place that has a stage and a microphone and being able to be naughty and say anything I’d like and make jokes is so exciting to me.

If they put a billion dollars in my bank account tomorrow, I’ll still go do my spot tonight at the Mothership in Fat Man. And if tomorrow they said, Jeff, you make $0 doing this, might want to find a day job.

JOE ROGAN: I’ll go, okay.

JEFF DYE: But I’m still doing my spot, right? Like, I’m still going to do it no matter what.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, yeah.

JEFF DYE: I just love it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. I would do it forever. It’s the most fun art form.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And the fact that we’re fortunate enough to be able to do it and make money doing it is incredible. You should be happy.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: If you’re f*ing complaining, you’re missing out.

The Wrong Attitude

JEFF DYE: Oh, dude. I won’t say this comic’s name because, I just don’t want any trouble with this guy. But I remember I was at a festival and I’m more criticizing his attitude on that night. We’re in the green room and they were so excited to have him because he’s a very funny guy and very talented.

And they said they go, so how much time do you want to do? He was like, how much time am I contracted to do? And they were like, oh, well, you’re booked for 45 minutes. But I was just letting you know you’re the end of the show and everyone’s here to see you, so just do whatever you want. He goes, then I’m doing the 45 minutes.

And I remember thinking, the f* is wrong with you? Like, they’re happy you’re here. Everyone is excited. Yeah. Just if you tell me that, bro, I’m on stage for 2 hours, 45 minutes. Good.

JOE ROGAN: But I’m going to stay up there, you know?

JEFF DYE: Because I like f*ing around there.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

JEFF DYE: Boo. It’s not… You’re not pouring concrete, dude. Like, you get to go tell jokes to these people, like, what an exciting job you have. That’s exciting.

JOE ROGAN: I think where that comes from is in the beginning, it’s really hard. It’s hard to do. It’s hard to get paid. It’s hard. And then you build up a resentment to the point where even after you make it, you take it for granted. And now you think, like, what do I have to do? 45 minutes, and that’s what I’m doing.

JEFF DYE: Crazy. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You’re like… Instead of, like, wow, I made it. I actually… I could actually get paid to go do comedy now. I could… 45 minutes, not important. Okay, I’ll go f* around, have some fun.

JEFF DYE: That’s exactly like… That’s… So I’ve worked at Hollywood Video. I’ve worked at any coffee shop that was like… I’ve had over 40 different coffee jobs because I just couldn’t keep a job. Like, I was always living somewhere different or pursuing comedy so aggressively that I just needed a job, so I was good at getting the job.

And then I would f* off or do something stupid, and I’d get let go. Or I’d move and just ghost that job. I’ve had all these jobs, but whether it was Hollywood Video or Rock Bottom Brewery or whether it was any of these million coffee shops I worked in, I was always the fun guy at the job that made friends with everyone and goofed off. Because it’s more fun to have a good attitude at work and like the job than it is to hate the job.

JOE ROGAN: Right?

JEFF DYE: Because… Not because the job was great, but because it’s going to be a better experience here if I like it, if I at least trick myself into liking it. There’s not… It wasn’t my dream to put movies in alphabetical order with dyslexia in a Hollywood video. But I want to enjoy my job. Like, that was more fun to be happy to be there. So now we get to do comedy, which is the dream, and you have that attitude. Like, I just can’t get my mind around that.

The Misery Myth

JOE ROGAN: Well, there’s some people that think they have to be miserable to be good. There’s a weird thing that I think some artists feel like they have to kind of suffer in order to be funny. Like, they have to be upset. They have to be angry.

I used to think that when I was really young and dumb, I was thinking that maybe I should stop meditating. Because if I meditate and achieve any kind of enlightenment, I won’t think things are so annoying anymore that I could sh on them on stage. Which is a big part of my act. Yeah.

Jerry Seinfeld’s Philosophy on Comedy

JEFF DYE: You didn’t want to be happy because you would find.

JOE ROGAN: But that was me at 21 or whatever.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. Well, Jerry Seinfeld, who’s one of my favorite ever, despite any of his political beliefs or any of those things. I really, really respect every time Jerry Seinfeld talks on podcasts or interviews or whatever, because he’s like Buddha of comedy. The way he talks about work ethic and the way he talks about joke writing, the way he’s very disciplined, he’s very good. So I always hang on everything Jerry says. In those things, I think he’s the best. Look up anytime he’s been interviewed.

But Jerry, although he’s clean, right, he’s a clean comic. And although he’s a husband and a dad, and no matter what he’s labeled as, he seems to be very at peace in his life and very successful and rich, he does have this edge to him. There still is an irritability. And I think that’s probably what you were thinking at 21, I need that. I need to be. But you could.

JOE ROGAN: Well, he’s also smart, and he’s talking to morons all the time, and that’s how you get an edge like that. Probably doesn’t have a tight crew of cool people that he could just chill with. You get alienated, want to be around.

JEFF DYE: Kids, smarter than kids.

JOE ROGAN: But you also, you made a billion dollars from a sitcom you did in the 90s. Never have to work again for a day in your fing life. You have a hundred Porsches. You’re just collecting Porsches. You’re bored as f. And then morons wanted you all. My favorite episode was, I don’t f*ing care. I don’t want to hear this anymore.

JEFF DYE: I’m sure you get that all the time. Someone wants to tell you a story about a thing, and you go, I don’t know.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I think I’m a little more tolerant than him.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. But he’s.

JOE ROGAN: I get it. I get why he would be a little prickly. Some of the questions are really f*ing stupid. There was a big controversy about his show, Comedians in Cars Drinking.

JEFF DYE: Coffee, which is why I’m surprised he wasn’t. He’s not more vocal about that, but he did a great thing.

Meritocracy in Comedy

JOE ROGAN: He’s like, I don’t care. Speak the language of funny. If you’re funny, I don’t care what you are. Which is the right answer. And a lot of people are like, oh, that sounds racist.

JEFF DYE: No, it’s a great answer if that’s racist.

JOE ROGAN: This is, you’re expecting something that you’re not going to get, which you’re expecting people to abandon meritocracy in the most meritocracy based art form you could think. You have to have a specific response from people. If you get a laugh, and you’re creating it all yourself.

JEFF DYE: There’s no talking. It’s just you.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s it. And so if it’s comedians that you think are funny and they happen to be whatever, it’s just who’s funny. Everything else is bullshit. This ideal, there’s not enough women. There’s not enough black people. There’s not enough. Stop.

JEFF DYE: Right?

JOE ROGAN: Stop.

JEFF DYE: There’s an interviewer that goes, what do you say to the people who criticize that you don’t have enough people of color or blah, blah, blah. And he goes, I don’t know. I’m looking at your audience. A lot of whiteies in here. That’s what he said. Oh, it’s the best. Because it’s so true. Look at your friend groups. Look at your life when you start running it through everyone’s genitals and skin color. You could call every culture racist.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

Culture and Diversity

JEFF DYE: I went to my buddy’s family barbecue, who’s Polynesian, he’s a Pacific Islander guy. One real diverse family reunion, right? Because that’s the beauty of a culture is that you kind of have. The whole point of having a culture is to have some advantages. I can’t just wander into your family’s thing and go, how come there’s no more, not any Filipinos here? That’s not how it works.

I would say that. I think I said it a couple times on stage. But I wonder if liberals go to Japan and they’re like, this is disgusting. It’s all Japanese people here. It’s not very diverse. I wonder, do they go to Russia? Oh, my gosh. Where is the diversity here? That’s not how things work.

JOE ROGAN: No. There’s a lot of countries that aren’t diverse at all. And it’s fine as long as they’re black.

JEFF DYE: You know what I mean?

JOE ROGAN: If it’s all black, it’s totally fine. But all, Poland’s a problem. That’s a real problem.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, it’s insane to me.

JOE ROGAN: Well, people are just weird. And look, racism is bad. So because racism is, because actual racism is bad, people look for racism all sorts of places, and they start deciding that things are racist. Or, they could do with a lot of stuff. We were talking about this the other day. This idea of silence is violence. Shut the f* up.

JEFF DYE: That’s crazy.

JOE ROGAN: Nobody ever punched you. Then I’ll show you some violence.

JEFF DYE: Then you’ll go, hey, can we go back to the silence?

JOE ROGAN: Come to the UFC with me. I’ll show you what, this is. See, that’s what violence is. This is. This is the sport of it.

JEFF DYE: These are nice people.

JOE ROGAN: That’s actual violence, not f*ing words.

JEFF DYE: It’s definitely not silence. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. And then they start using sticks and stones. You go, let’s go back to names. I’m happy with names. There was less blood when you were calling me names.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. You’re being silly. Silence is not violence, you f*ing idiot.

JEFF DYE: That’s so dumb.

JOE ROGAN: It’s, silence is just silence. You can’t. F*. It’s pretty nice, but it shows what you want is what you want. Force people to comply. You want to force people to say what you want them to say.

JEFF DYE: Right.

JOE ROGAN: Put that black square on your leverage. Exactly. And it’s a bunch of losers. It’s usually a bunch of losers at the wheel. That bus.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: They’re going right off the cliff, and they want to bring you with him. What are you doing?

JEFF DYE: Not a fun place.

JOE ROGAN: Not fun.

JEFF DYE: It’s not the world we live in.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: Or it’s not the universe that comics like to live in at all.

Finding Joy in Life

JOE ROGAN: That’s the other thing about all these people pushing all these different things to call everybody an ist or whatever the f* you are and how you have a phobia, whatever it is. All these people seem to be miserable.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. They don’t seem very happy.

JOE ROGAN: And the same.

JEFF DYE: They’re proud of their anger, which is odd.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It’s like, find some things to love. Okay. There’s a lot to love in this world.

JEFF DYE: Comic went on on Kill Tony last night. He was so great, and I am remiss that I don’t remember his name. And he was able to rattle off, which I’m sure he’s done before. It’s probably in his act, but he was able to rattle off all his interests. He’s like, oh, I’m in Universal Studios. Let’s go. Monster Truck Rally. Let’s do it.

And I was like, I immediately wanted to be friends with this guy because I’m like, that’s how I want to live. I live. Or I mean, I do live like that. And I was like, dude, I can identify with this so much. The little kid in me is like, yeah, whatever it is, let’s go. I go to the gay pride parade, I’ve got a lot of gay friends. Let’s f*ing do it. Whatever it is, right? That’s so much better of an attitude. Just like, let’s do it all. Let’s jump in these things. That’s so much more fun than going, we’re not going there because of this, and we’re not doing that because of this. And this is probably. It’s too exhausting.

JOE ROGAN: Well, a lot of people like being exhausted because it keeps them active. They’ve got something to think about. It’s their sports.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, it is.

JOE ROGAN: Politics for a lot of people is their sport. And it’s not just their sports. It’s like they’re fanatical Red Sox fans. The religion. Yeah, Red Sox to the death. And that’s what it is. F* the Yankees. That’s all it is, man.

Politics as Religion

JEFF DYE: But it’s the same thing. So the sports one is where I think is a little different because the Yankees fan doesn’t want to murder the Red Sox fan. We still like baseball.

JOE ROGAN: They break people’s legs sometimes.

JEFF DYE: But I’m saying they still like baseball.

JOE ROGAN: Yes.

JEFF DYE: They can still agree, oh, we’re at the ballpark, we’re having a hot dog and it’s like, f you. And you’re like, f you. And that’s fun. It’s fun. But the people that claim they hate religion the most are acting their politics out like religious zealots.

JOE ROGAN: Right?

JEFF DYE: They’re going, well, this is. I wouldn’t even. Jimmy Kimmel’s wife. I can’t even talk to them anymore.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think she’s having a hard time talking to them. I might be.

JEFF DYE: I’ve watched it a bunch.

JOE ROGAN: But.

JEFF DYE: So what happened was she said that she was always struggling with it since Trump’s been in office, but now she doesn’t even want to be with these people because it’s personal to her that now she’s made the decision to not. And it’s like, that’s where it’s a problem. Struggling with it’s fine if family reunions want to have a talk with your aunt who voted for Trump or something. I think that’s healthy. Let’s talk about it. Because if you’re doing any of these things and you can’t defend it, you’re probably pretty stupid. But when you start going, I won’t even be associated with that person because of whatever it is, that’s a problem.

JOE ROGAN: Well, it doesn’t seem smart.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Doesn’t seem healthy. If you don’t have any room for disagreement. But it’s also, the thing between Kimmel and Trump is so dumb.

JEFF DYE: It’s very dumb.

JOE ROGAN: It’s so dumb. I can’t believe. And then he went after, he went after Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers as well, right?

JEFF DYE: Yes, yes, yes.

JOE ROGAN: Crazy. I know. That’s so dumb. I don’t understand. I guess no one is around to tell him that.

JEFF DYE: He must be in a bubble.

Celebrity Apprentice Stories

JOE ROGAN: He’s 100% in a bubble. But that’s also the way he’s behaved his whole life. That’s how he would attack you if he was on the Apprentice. I was supposed to do Celebrity Apprentice.

JEFF DYE: I was supposed to do it, too, but way after, it was good. I was supposed to do it with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

JOE ROGAN: Well, I was supposed to do it with him with Trump. It was when Fear Factor was returning to NBC, they asked me to do Celebrity Apprentice, and I thought about it, but my kids were really young at the time. I didn’t want to live in New York. And I was like, how long does it take? It takes forever. And then also, that guy’s going to be mean to me, and I’m going to.

JEFF DYE: Be like, f*, it’s not fun.

JOE ROGAN: That’s not going to be fun. I’m not good with that. I’ll get real.

JEFF DYE: I wonder what your political opinion would be of Trump if you had done Celebrity Apprentice.

JOE ROGAN: Hmm. Interesting. I think he always had an understanding of how the whole political process worked. There’s an interesting interview of him way back in the day. I think he was talking to Barbara Walters. Maybe it was a really old interview where he was talking about maybe one day running for president. And this is back when he was a Democrat. He was a Democrat for a long time.

JEFF DYE: He’s from Queens.

The Reality of Power and Politics

JOE ROGAN: He’s a New York guy, young portion of his life. And I think Elon said it best. He’s a product of his time. This is an almost 80-year-old man who’s a real estate guy who likes to see his name in big gold letters, loves America because that’s what he always liked. Like, I like my name, big gold letters. Like everything’s big and gold.

JEFF DYE: That’s what he genuinely. People knew that about him. They would give him a little more grace when he says crazy things. Because if you read his book, like there was a part where he was like, he’s like, okay, do you.

JOE ROGAN: Think he really wrote the book?

JEFF DYE: No, but I think, I don’t think anyone does. Dennis Rodman didn’t write his book. He had a guy follow him.

JOE ROGAN: Some people write their own book for.

JEFF DYE: Sure, but not the majority. Yeah, or actually that’s not true. The majority of people write their own books. The majority of celebrities have someone follow them and talk to them in coffee shops.

JOE ROGAN: They have ghosts.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, but he was like talking about. He’s like, this building’s the biggest in New York. It’s the best. And they’re like, it’s not even the biggest building in this. And he goes, you know what I mean? Like, it’s kind of like, yeah. And if you know that, then you kind of like give him a little more grace when he’s just saying, it’s just kind of how he is. I’m the best. You know, it doesn’t mean he’s really the best. It means he’s got an attitude of the best.

Media Manipulation and Propaganda

JOE ROGAN: You saw the BBC thing, right?

JEFF DYE: What thing?

JOE ROGAN: You didn’t see the thing where BBC got in trouble for editing his speech? We talked about it yesterday. I’ll just tell you real briefly. So they took a segment of him saying something and then spliced in a segment of him saying something else from 53 minutes later.

JEFF DYE: Right. The stormy. The Capitol. Yes, right. From the January 6th.

JOE ROGAN: Crazy. Yeah.

JEFF DYE: Which is not journalism.

JOE ROGAN: Like that is not journalism, but like full on lying and propaganda and it’s kind of f*ing dangerous.

JEFF DYE: And those are the things people watch. That’s what I say in that shortened bullshit.

JOE ROGAN: Yes. But these people lost their jobs because of it.

JEFF DYE: It’s a big deal.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. And not only that, but like they’re getting hounded by reporters. They’re asking them and the answers that they have for why they did what they did, it’s like crazy. They felt, it seems like these people, this is just my opinion, seems like these people felt justified for completely lying because it would lead to an ultimate good.

So they lost all journalistic integrity. And it is the BBC, which is like the height of journalistic integrity, but that doesn’t show the rot of mainstream corporate controlled media that nothing does.

JEFF DYE: Right.

JOE ROGAN: Because that’s pure rot. If at the top of the heap, you got like, in my mind, if somebody said something to me and they quoted a source and it was the BBC, I was like, okay, that’s like Washington Post. That’s like New York Times. It’s a very official source. So I’m thinking, this must be real.

And they turned it into activism and they turned it into lying. And they didn’t it in front of everybody where you could clearly just listen to the whole thing and know he didn’t say that, but somehow he said it at all.

Justifying Lies for the Greater Good

JEFF DYE: Yeah. It’s like, well, and I think, I’m sorry that I keep harping on this, but like, that’s what AOC or kind of the left I see most guilty of doing is in their brain. They go, I know that this is a little like, whatever, but it’s for our greater good. Right.

So they’re doing that with their own thing. Listen, I don’t. I’m smart enough to know that Charlie Kirk was trying to make a point about blank. But if I twist this a little, it’s for the greater good of what I’m trying to do here. And so they justify it to themselves. They say, oh, well, now I know that I might have been a little political politician y here.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

JEFF DYE: But it’s for a greater good. And it’s vague. And it’s like, listen, look, he hates black people.

JOE ROGAN: That’s why Obama disappointed me so much during the Kamala Harris campaign. Because he did that thing where he said, you know that he said that white nationalists are very fine people. Yeah. He said, we have very fine people on both sides. And when you hear the actual quote and the difference between what they’re saying he said and what he said.

What he said was the exact opposite. He said, and I’m not talking about neo Nazis and white nationalists. He’s like, I forget the exact opposite wordage he used. They should be condemned. Whatever he said along those lines specifically said, not those people. I’m talking about people that just didn’t want these statues torn down.

JEFF DYE: Yes.

JOE ROGAN: That there’s very fine people on both sides. Some people just like go, yeah, Robert E. Lee’s a really bad guy. But it’s like, this is a part of history.

JEFF DYE: It is.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: This is like, this is just reality.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: But that using that during. In Kamala Harris’s campaign, I was like, that’s great. You know what he said, you must know.

JEFF DYE: They cut it up.

JOE ROGAN: But why would you sacrifice what’s so valuable is, like, your stature and your integrity. Why would you sacrifice that for someone who just probably wasn’t going to win anyway? Right?

JEFF DYE: I mean, I don’t know if it’s money or if it’s some sort of oath or if it’s intentional whatever, but, like, that stuff, so dangerous. I really like that shortening of, like, what someone said, taking out of context.

The Russiagate Hoax

JOE ROGAN: I think there’s also the consequences of people going to trial for that Russiagate stuff, because I think that that Russiagate collusion hoax that they perpetrated on mainstream media for years, and a lot of people are really uncomfortable with even saying it was a hoax. No, it was a hoax, ladies and gentlemen. It was a hoax.

And a lot of people coordinated that hoax. And there was a lot of people involved. And I think they’re super sketched out about Trump being president again and possibly digging into that stuff. And he’s doing that now.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And you’re finding real evidence that the people that you would think, the intelligence agencies, you think, what are they here for? They’re here to make America safe and protect us from problems, but it seems like they also meddle, and not just meddle, but, like, completely try to sabotage someone and paint them out in a way that. That’s completely inaccurate. Knowingly, willingly, with taxpayer dollars funding it.

JEFF DYE: All for the greater good. For their greater good, bro.

JOE ROGAN: I might say very fine people, too, if I was doing that. Whatever. He’s a f*ing Nazi.

JEFF DYE: Let’s not, yeah, he’s Hitler.

JOE ROGAN: Let’s say, whatever the f*, keep him out of office.

The Epstein List and Compromised Power

JEFF DYE: I think that’s what happened with the. In a way, that’s kind of what happened with, like, the Epstein list thing. I think, like, the reason you’re never going to see that is because there’s just too many powerful people that are in that, that are on both sides.

It would kind of be a. Not a collapse, but like a social kind of, like, collapse of, like, not just that, but both sides. I mean, I don’t think there’s like, that. You’re not going to find all liberals went to this island. You’re not going to find all conservatives went to this island. You’re going to see a list of some of very powerful creeps on everything. So it’s like both this, like, stalemate of the right and the left going, maybe we just won’t do this.

JOE ROGAN: But it’s not just that. It’s this ball of yarn of what did they do with the information? What did they. If they did compromise you and they did fly you out to an island, you did have sex with underage girls, what did you do then? When you were confronted by the fact that they know this?

JEFF DYE: Right.

JOE ROGAN: What did you do? Like, what decisions were made? What foreign policy decisions were made, what financial decisions were made? What money got donated? How much money transferred back and forth to different accounts because of things that happened there? Yeah. How many huge international decisions were made by people in powerful positions because someone has a video of them doing something very compromising on an island?

JEFF DYE: That’s why I’m glad that. I mean, I might not be very rich or anything, but, like, if something. You know, if they try to figure out something on me, this is. This would be their research. They’d be like, all right, we found Jeff.

JOE ROGAN: Did.

JEFF DYE: I did. He likes Sprite. You know, he also watches Pro. They’d have nothing. They would just be searching.

JOE ROGAN: You’re not a guy who’s trying to run the world. Yeah. The thing is, everybody who wants to run the world, everybody wants to be the president, Everybody, they’re all.

JEFF DYE: They’ve all done weird.

JOE ROGAN: They’re crazy. And then they get into a position where they have, like, ultimate power and they’re putting masks on, f*ing each other, and that’s skull and bones.

JEFF DYE: It’s crazy stuff to me.

JOE ROGAN: There’s always been these weird secret societies of people that get really wealthy and they do kooky things and they wife swap and. Yeah. Yeah.

JEFF DYE: It’s very strange.

The Shallow Pool of Political Talent

JOE ROGAN: People lose their f*ing minds. With any kind of power, and you got the kind of power where you’re literally, like, running the government. You’re literally running the whole government.

JEFF DYE: Want to do bad stuff. Like, it’s crazy. It’s like, I guess my brain’s too slow.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t want to run the government.

JEFF DYE: I know, but if I. I just. I think to myself, I’m like. Like, it’s crazy that there’s this much shit on all these powerful people. Like, it’s crazy.

JOE ROGAN: It’s not crazy, though, because you think, like, what is their pursuit? It’s just, like, very bizarre pursuit. Because either they really are for the people and they really want to make the world a better place, then you’re not going to get anything on them, because then they’re Bernie Sanders. Right? You got nothing. Yeah, they just. You got nothing. You know, he might not be effective, but, you know, you don’t have anything on him. That’s it. He’s not going to compromise. He doesn’t have to. You got nothing on him.

Or you got someone who wants to be a leader for some strange reason, and they’re really not that extraordinary, but they’re in a really shallow pool of talent. Right? Because that’s the real truth about running for president or running for governor or running for mayor is it’s a f*ing shallow pool of talent.

Because most people that have any kind of fing talent talking don’t want that job. Why would I want that job? Why would I want people to fing shoot at me? Why would I want half the country to fing hate me no matter what I do? Why would I want to get in and find out that this intertwined web of fing money and power and influence, there’s no way to fix it?

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And I’m just going to sit here for four years being a bad guy in a stupid White House. Like, f* that.

JEFF DYE: You took a photo with someone. Yeah.

The Problem with Political Power

JOE ROGAN: So the people that want that are all out of their f*ing minds. And they’re all kooks. They’re all Gavin Newsoms. They’re all Kamala Harris’s and Donald Trump’s, and they’re all kooky people, you know? And some of these kooky people will do a better job than other kooky people, but only kooky people want the job.

And until that changes, and until not just kooky people want the job, non kooky people want the job being president, but non kooky people involved in Congress, in the Senate and everything. Regular, rational people that can have real conversations and not try to diminish whoever you’re talking to in the most reductionist way possible, make them out to be a moron because they’re on the other side.

Actual solving of problems without you doing it at the behest of these massive corporations that have been donating to you. So you have to bullshit your way and gaslight people and you can’t be honest about your real opinions. That’s the real f*ing problem with that whole system.

It is absolutely contaminated by both money and the promise of money in the future if you play ball. That’s where it gets real weird. They leave government jobs and start working for pharmaceutical drug companies that they were regulating 16 months ago.

Debate Culture and Social Media

JEFF DYE: It’s like X or like Twitter. Nobody’s on there to go, “Oh, I’m going to try and find some people’s ideas.” It’s all debate culture. You could put the most simple thing and you have 700 people who just want to go. But the goal is to debate and argue and get into, win and dunk on your opponent and make someone say. There’s not, nobody, like you said in the beginning, is trying to just go, “I think I really want to make it fair.” No one’s saying that.

JOE ROGAN: What’s even more fun is Blue Sky. You ever go to Blue Sky? If you make an account, even in your name, you say Jeff Dye, I bet you’ll be banned. I bet you’ll be banned within 20 minutes. You’re problematic. You’re a toxic male.

JEFF DYE: What is…

JOE ROGAN: You’re heterosexual. You’re a cisgendered male, which is what we already had.

JEFF DYE: Male.

JOE ROGAN: We don’t need to add that. I’m not doing it.

JEFF DYE: I thought I got to choose my pronouns. Why did they get to put CIS on me? Insists on me.

JOE ROGAN: But if you go there, I saw this one conversation where someone said they were talking about something, saying, “I’m trying to be Zen about it.” And then the next person said, “Try not to be racist against Asian people from Zen.”

JEFF DYE: I mean, that’s crazy.

JOE ROGAN: It’s whack a mole. They just sit in there ready to whack. They’re just ready for someone to pop up with any micro aggressions, any diversions from the narrative.

JEFF DYE: It’s so exhausting. I’ve never heard of this. It’s like a liberal kind of like Facebook or something.

JOE ROGAN: Most people bailed on it. So a lot of people, like Stephen King said, “I’m going over a Blue Sky.” They all decided to go over to Blue Sky because Trump let them say whatever they want on Twitter, and they didn’t like the reality of the world.

JEFF DYE: Right.

JOE ROGAN: And so they’re like, “This is bullshit. I’m leaving.” And they all come back. They all come back to Twitter because X is more fun.

JEFF DYE: Exactly.

JOE ROGAN: It’s nuts, but it’s way more fun than everybody just calling you racist for everything.

Conversations vs. Arguments

JEFF DYE: I do think that’s the current problem with the world. I know that’s very vague, but people just want to win the talk. Nobody wants to have the talk.

JOE ROGAN: Right.

JEFF DYE: So it’s more about, well, here’s…

JOE ROGAN: What you haven’t thought about this.

JEFF DYE: It’s like, why are you talking at anyone like that? Hear them out. And then they also have the, give them the luxury of being wrong. It’s okay to be wrong. I’m wrong all the time. But the only way I can be right is if I say the wrong thing and I learn. Or, you know, that’s, we should be having conversations, not arguments.

JOE ROGAN: But the thing is, now, you attach that to politics and you literally have to win the arguments, because that’s what the whole game is. The whole game is like, get up in front of all those people and state your claim and diminish the claim of your opponent.

JEFF DYE: And that’s…

JOE ROGAN: It’s stupid.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: But they have to do it because they have to get elected. Because if they don’t get elected, then they don’t have power. And if they don’t, once they get into power, then they have to use that power for their constituents and for the people that help them get into power.

So there’s a bunch of fing needs of these. And there’s a bill. You want to put this in the bill because it’s going to help the oil sector. The bill is going to help tips and who. And so, of course, you’re going to put a mask on and go f a guy. You’re crazy. You’re only doing a crazy job. You’re doing ecstasy. You’re hanging out with all these people that are running the world. Of course you’re sucking d* with a VHS camera somewhere.

JEFF DYE: That’s why I’m walking around town with a leather mask being walked by my boyfriend.

The Bernie Sanders Exception

JOE ROGAN: They can’t take it anymore. They’re living an insane life where they’re producing no value. So there’s nothing they’re doing where, unless they’re real. Like, that’s one of the things about Bernie Sanders. Love him or hate him, that’s a real guy. And he has real beliefs, and he’s been steadfast about these real beliefs from the beginning of his career.

From this is a photo of him that we play, we showed on the podcast of him getting arrested at a civil rights protest in the 1960s, I think it was. He’s always been that guy. That’s who he is. Which is great. And if you’re not that, then what are you doing? You’re trying to just get ahead. You’re trying to win, you’re trying to gaslight the best.

You’re trying to make your way through this weird game where you could be a senator or you could be a governor, and then maybe you could be the president. You have eyes on the throne. First thing I’m going to do is take that tacky f*ing gold leaf off the wall. Trump put gold leaf everywhere. He likes gold.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: What’s wrong with gold?

JEFF DYE: It looks about his home decor.

JOE ROGAN: It’s the White House. There was people complaining. He made the White House look tacky. It looks beautiful.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, well, also, who cares? You don’t live there. I don’t give a shit.

JOE ROGAN: Well, they just don’t want him doing that. They don’t want him.

White House Renovations and Presidential Modifications

JEFF DYE: Didn’t he do it with his own money and stuff? I mean, they’ve always done that. Taft put a f*. He invented the hot tub on accident because he was like, “That tub won’t fit me. I’m too fat.”

JOE ROGAN: Oh, really?

JEFF DYE: Yeah. And then they forever, people will go, “Oh, it didn’t. Taft, even that big fat guy got stuck in a tub.” And it’s not true. He was just a big guy, made a funny joke. And for now, now all these young people like, “Oh, yeah, Taft, the big fat guy that got stuck in a tub.” It’s not true. He accidentally made a, he just made a modification to the White House, and it basically invented a hotel.

JOE ROGAN: Well, people are also upset that he’s making a ballroom. You see, he’s making this giant ballroom.

JEFF DYE: It doesn’t bother me.

JOE ROGAN: And he found out you’re allowed to.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And then he goes, he goes, “What’s the deal with permits?” They’re like, “You don’t have to get any permits. You’re the president. You can just build it.” He’s like…

JEFF DYE: He’s like, amazing as a real estate guy. He’s like, “That’s f*ing great.”

JOE ROGAN: Right?

JEFF DYE: For a guy like that.

JOE ROGAN: It’s like you just gave him the coolest f*ing present ever. He can make a beautiful, beautiful ballroom. And people are so mad. And they were saying that it was a waste of taxpayer money, but it turns out it’s not. It’s all donations.

JEFF DYE: I think you can look this up, but I think Obama spent like $350 million of taxpayer money making modifications to the White House.

JOE ROGAN: I think that’s true, too. And did you…

JEFF DYE: No one cared. And I don’t care about that either. I’m not using that as a what about. I’m saying I also don’t care that Obama did it. I don’t give a shit.

JOE ROGAN: Can I get a receipt? Right? $350 million. What did you do? What cost $350 million to a house that’s already standing? Could you imagine if you’re a construction guy, gave you a bill like that? Yeah, I just want to fix it up nice. Let’s do all this and then send me a bill and you get a bill. It’s $350 million. You’re like, “Hey, I need to talk to the foreman here.”

Here’s the thing about the White House. It’s not that big, right? It’s not that big.

JEFF DYE: Dude, there’s some pretty beautiful houses for 1.5. That’s a whole house.

JOE ROGAN: A whole house?

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: $350 million is so much money. Did you make another house underneath the house?

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: What happened?

JEFF DYE: How did that happen?

JOE ROGAN: A tunnel to a giant aren under the ground.

JEFF DYE: Maybe the guy gets 500 grand an hour to do the construction or something. Because I don’t understand how he’s doing it at the White House.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he needs to get paid more. It’s like weddings, you know.

JEFF DYE: They’re like, “I’d like to buy a cake.” And they go, “Sure, $40.” He goes, “For my wedding.” “$5,000.” They just change the price. You what, I needed a bunch of flowers. You gave me a great rate. But then the second it’s for wedding, those flowers are now like this crazy.

JOE ROGAN: Maybe that’s why this White House prices because they know it’s taxpayer money. But $350 million seems like real excessive. I’d like to know what they did.

JEFF DYE: Didn’t one of the, was it Nixon or somebody made a bowling alley in there.

JOE ROGAN: Nice.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, that’s the president too.

JOE ROGAN: Is that what they do? Like you’re allowed to just, you’re going to be there for four years. Put a bowling alley.

JEFF DYE: I think you get to. I don’t know if that’s true, but somebody put a bowling alley in over a pool or something. I read. But also I didn’t care. I just go, “Sure, if I was president, I’d probably make some and adjustments.”

JOE ROGAN: You see, he took Biden’s photo down and put a picture of the auto pen up.

JEFF DYE: Oh, I did see that. Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t know if it was real. I have a real struggle with what I see as real or not.

JOE ROGAN: It might not be real. Let’s find out if it is real. I think it is real though. I think that’s what I heard. Obama’s ERA project covered renovations. Trump knocked down 376. Okay, 376 million dollar cost to improve the east and west wing’s infrastructure.

Peck described the project as largely underground utility work. “Doesn’t do a whole lot of good to have a building that’s sort of an image of the free world standing up there and not functioning well,” Peck told CNN when questioned about the cost.

Bloomberg News reported in 2010, the Obama renovation was the biggest White House Upgrade since President Harry Truman was in office, 1948 to 1952. Truman oversaw the White House historic gutting, renovation, and expansion in response to significant structural issues that at one point resulted in the leg of his daughter. Piano breaking through the floor. Trump’s project with the first major exterior change of the White House in 83 years. Historic preservationists say.

JEFF DYE: You know, I read that, and I just said, “Oh, my God.” Because the leg of his daughter. And then it’s the leg of his daughter’s piano.

JOE ROGAN: I read it, too. I was like, “Oh, no, the piano broke.” Yeah. That was very deceptive the way they typed in that. Just a piano leg.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: One of the piano legs went through the. Not the daughter.

JEFF DYE: The daughter’s legs.

JOE ROGAN: Why bring her up? You’re freaking me out.

JEFF DYE: She’s not in this story.

JOE ROGAN: I thought a kid broke her leg. I was panicking. It’s just a f*ing stupid piano. That building’s not that big, so I guess that makes more sense, though. They had to do crazy underground infrastructure shit that probably.

JEFF DYE: I would wonder what’s under the White House.

JOE ROGAN: Heating, cooling, and fire alarm systems that hadn’t been updated since 1902 or 1935. Still. I’d like to see a receipt also. Feeling ripped off.

JEFF DYE: I used to always say, I don’t think that any president ever is at the White House, or they go to the White House, but they don’t live there. Like, yeah, they do. You think that they live there?

JOE ROGAN: They do. They have a residency?

JEFF DYE: Well, I think there’s a tunnel to a different place. That there’s another building.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, they live in that building.

JEFF DYE: Because why would you want to put the most powerful person in America in the most famous address in America?

JOE ROGAN: Why are you giving people ideas?

JEFF DYE: Well, it’s a Secret Service.

JOE ROGAN: You know, we keep them secret. Don’t give him ideas. It is weird because you know where he sleeps all the time. Right. That’s crazy.

The Most Famous Address in America

JEFF DYE: You have more security and anonymity than knowing where someone powerful is. That’s crazy. No matter how much security you have, the secret is the best part of it. That’s why Secret Service is good. You want a secret address. You want a secret home.

JOE ROGAN: You want to move them around. Yeah. Don’t have them in the same spot every night.

JEFF DYE: I think the White House is called the most famous address in America. They say it’s the most famous address.

JOE ROGAN: It is the most famous.

JEFF DYE: So why would you put someone so powerful in the most famous? I just think that even when I was in high school, I was like, I bet that they. I’d like to think that we’re not keeping the president in a place that everyone knows about.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, but they do. Hopefully no one’s listening to this. And you gave him an idea.

JEFF DYE: I hope not either. Violence is bad.

JOE ROGAN: That’s the point. Do you remember back in the Obama administration when that crazy person broke into the White House?

JEFF DYE: Got pretty far, didn’t you? Have a bit about it?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. There was a lady guarding the door without a gun.

JEFF DYE: What are we doing? Think that is crazy.

JOE ROGAN: That’s so crazy.

JEFF DYE: Your bit might have given someone some ideas. I could get pretty far, bro.

JOE ROGAN: That guy got all the way in. If it wasn’t for an off duty Secret Service guy who saw that guy running through the f*ing White House and he tackled him. He just happened to be there. He wasn’t even on duty.

JEFF DYE: What did they think? Just like, well, no one’s. Yeah, who would do that?

JOE ROGAN: That’s crazy. Yeah, it’s so crazy. People that have never been around crazy people, they don’t know why lobotomies were done in the first place.

JEFF DYE: That’s true.

JOE ROGAN: Back then people were like enough of Mike.

JEFF DYE: Right?

JOE ROGAN: We got to slow Mike down.

Mental Illness and Homelessness

JEFF DYE: Or you see, you work at a homeless place and you go, oh, I kind of get it. Right? Yeah, you go, yeah. You could kind of go, oh, these people, I don’t know. They’ve done so much stuff and drugs and they’ve traumas and all that. And you just kind of go, I could see how in the olden times they would go, these people are broken.

JOE ROGAN: Let’s, you know, especially if they’re not medicated. There’s out and out hardcore mental illness involved in most of the homelessness. A large percentage of it at least.

JEFF DYE: Which is a controversial statement, but it’s a hundred percent true.

JOE ROGAN: Well, the mental illness leads to drug addiction. Drug addiction, self medicating, a lot of trauma, a lot of things, a lot of factors. But the answer to that isn’t just let them camp. Right.

JEFF DYE: Let them be in front of your house whacking off, shouting bomb threats. That’s not. Ignoring it isn’t the solution. Not talking about it is not the solution.

JOE ROGAN: I don’t think labor is the way to go, but I don’t know.

JEFF DYE: I just meant in the 30s they would see that and go, you know, let’s put this guy in a room.

The Great Depression

JOE ROGAN: Well, in the 30s I’ve had people in the. There was a bunch of people that were in shanty towns in New York City back during the Depression. Oh yeah, the Depression was so bad that New York City had these little handmade houses that people had built. You ever see any of that stuff? See if you can find shanty towns from New York City from the Great Depression.

Yeah, man, it must have been so dangerous. I mean, it’s basically homeless encampments in the middle of Central Park. And there’s no jobs, man. No jobs. There’s no f*ing the Depression. Oh yeah. Isn’t that crazy, man? Imagine living out there, how dangerous that would be.

JEFF DYE: That’s downtown Denver right there.

JOE ROGAN: And that’s all because of the motherf*ing bankers. That’s all because of the bankers. They crashed the stock market.

JEFF DYE: That’s crazy.

Rockefeller and Prohibition

JOE ROGAN: I was just hearing something really crazy where someone was making a connection between Rockefeller and alcohol being during Prohibition, that one of the competing fuel sources back then was ethanol. I don’t even know if this is true, but Rockefeller had control of oil and they were using oil to make pharmaceutical drugs. So most of the drugs that people buy, the reason why they started doing it that way is because of Rockefeller, because he had control of the oil.

And this was saying that he wanted to stop people from using ethanol. So he wanted, he thought the best way to do that was to make it so that no one could have the ability to produce alcohol. And the best way to do that is to make prohibition about alcohol. But really sounds crazy. It says it’s a myth. Computer tools. Let’s see why they say it’s a myth.

John D. Rockefeller is often blamed for using prohibition to eliminate ethanol as a competing fuel source to gasoline from his standard oil business. But this is a myth. Rockefeller supported the temperance movement primarily for religious and social reasons. Okay, that’s the excuse that’s publicly stated, that he supported alcohol prohibition for religious and social reasons, believing alcohol consumption was harmful and aiming for a more productive workforce.

So this is the problem with, these are not quotes. This is someone saying why this guy supported banning alcohol and not, yes, he did work to ban alcohol and yes, he did benefit from it because ethanol was taken out. That is true. So ethanol as a fuel was not banned. It’s saying explicitly allowing, even promoted the use of high proof alcohol for scientific research fuel or other lawful industries.

During probation, ethanol as a fuel was not banned. In fact, some industrialists, including Rockefeller, dabbled in ethanol fuel production. Henry Ford also pursued ethanol fuel development during this time. Okay, so I take back what I said. So it’s not that it was banned. So that doesn’t make any sense. Then it would make sense if somehow or another. But could you. If you were using ethanol, though?

The thing is, if you stop people from making their own alcohol, if you make it illegal to make your own alcohol, you definitely can’t make your own fuel. And then you can’t use ethanol because you can actually make ethanol with corn. That’s how they make it. So I could see how you would say if you wanted to sell more gasoline, you would make it so people can’t make their own fermentation, and you can’t make your own alcohol.

And one of the best ways to stop people from making their own alcohol would be the prohibition of alcohol. You know what I’m saying? It doesn’t seem that clean to me. That looks a little squirrely. He supported a prohibition of alcohol because of morals, but yet he was really involved in a lot of shady shit that seemed like he was very controlled.

JEFF DYE: Those religious beliefs were sidelined.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, man. Also, he had a part in the structuring and the education system to make people good little factory workers.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Get them up early, get them to school quickly before the parents can give them any sense of how the world really works, and then brainwash them, bring them in, get them in there, and make good workers out of them. He was a big part of that as well. That guy had a lot of power.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, that’s. He’d have been an interesting guy in politics.

JOE ROGAN: So it’s not true that he. That ethanol. That they prohibited it, but it is true that they kind of eliminated people making their own alcohol. And if you’re not. If people aren’t making engines from ethanol, because most people are using gasoline at the time, it seems like they.

JEFF DYE: Don’t have the materials.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’d be a good way to stop people from making their own gas, and then you’ll sell more gas.

Addiction and Regulation

JEFF DYE: I tried to buy something recently because I had a chest cough, and they’re like, you should get this shit. And then I went to the Rite Aid or whatever it was, and they’re like, oh, that’s behind the counter. So I go up and ask her for it. She needs my ID. She beeps my ID. And I go, why? She goes, oh, because enough of this. You can make meth. And I go, really? She goes, yeah. So we have to make sure that the person, that it’s kind of documented who bought it and how much.

JOE ROGAN: Sudafed, right?

JEFF DYE: Yeah, I think something like that. And then I was like, oh, shit, then I need 700 of these. But I didn’t even know that’s.

JOE ROGAN: How guys were making meth.

JEFF DYE: You got to regulate all that kind of stuff. You imagine how bad that meth was. You get some assholes that go to the grocery store and just clean up the pharmaceutical aisle.

That’s the sad part about addiction, man. You’ll see these homeless guys drinking mouthwash. You’re like, how bad has it got that you’re just chugging Listerine in an alley to get drunk? I mean, that’s a. That’s.

JOE ROGAN: What if it’s a really good buzz?

JEFF DYE: I mean, I guarantee it’s a good buzz. Your breath’s great.

JOE ROGAN: Imagine a Listerine buzz. Ugh. Imagine the Listerine buzz.

JEFF DYE: I mean, sometimes I have to. I don’t drink anymore, but sometimes I would have tequila, and that felt like mouthwash. You know, you have a shitty, cheap tequila and you go.

The Tequila Scandal

JOE ROGAN: Do you know a large percentage tequila apparently is fake? It’s not made with agave.

JEFF DYE: Really?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, there was a big scandal. See if you find anything on.

JEFF DYE: But it still got people drunk.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think the scandal was that people were saying that it was real tequila, legit tequila made from agave. Yeah, but it wasn’t. Yeah, it’s just f*ing some shitty alcohol.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Some nonsense.

JEFF DYE: They got its counts, Tequila.

JOE ROGAN: I know, but I mean, I guess scammers probably thought, if they were scammers, so who knows who’s doing it along the way? Maybe it’s the manufacturer, maybe it’s the original person. Who knows? But they didn’t think someone was going to check.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, it’s kind of strange. I think about all those kind of things. I remember they were doing this big campaign. They’re like, McDonald’s uses real beef now. I’m like, what were they using? What do you mean? If the tequila company would now market, no, this is now real tequila, you’d be like, what were we drinking?

Tequila Lawsuit and Product Fraud

JOE ROGAN: This is a proposed class action lawsuit filed in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York. Goes on to allege that both brands fail to meet the regulatory requirements to label themselves as 100% agave in Mexico and the United States, even though they carry that distinction on their labels. So what are these brands? Click on that link which says those brands. Oh, Casamigos and Don Julio.

Significant amounts of non-agave alcohol, despite being labeled as 100% agave. Customers named the suit claimed that they purchased the products under the assumption that the tequilas were made exclusively from blue Weber agave and paid prices reflective of that premium designation. Somebody was cutting the product, son.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, that’s how it goes.

JOE ROGAN: And no one’s paying.

JEFF DYE: History repeating itself over and over and over. Those are like, I didn’t expect it to be something.

JOE ROGAN: I’ve heard of, but here’s the question. Who did it? Right? You got to follow that web to go, okay, where did that money come from? Is it that guy? Is it a manufacturer? Is it someone who’s in the plant? Is it someone? Are they skimping? Are they ripping them off? Like, what?

JEFF DYE: Who did it?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, who did it? You know? I mean, if you’re an ahole and you’re running the distillery and you’re like, f* those Don Julio people.

JEFF DYE: We have to like, I.

JOE ROGAN: And you’re like, I know how to make it better. I can make more money. And then these skims, we’re going to need a hundred grand for. It only cost 40.

JEFF DYE: Greedy, greedy. Yep. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Who knows? Who knows? It’s probably a tangled web of scumbags that were using the company to make money.

Bar Scams and Fake Liquor

JEFF DYE: When I first worked at Giggles Comedy Club, the owner, we didn’t really have a green room. We were just kind of in the back where all the soda tubes are going from the boxes of syrup and all the bottles of alcohol back there. And he had one bottle of every kind of top shelf liquor, but he would just pour sh*tty liquor in there with funnels, totally against the law. Just funneling the cheapest tequila you could get in the finest tequila bottle.

And then when people would, people would constantly bring it back, this tastes wrong. He goes, you saw me pour it bottle? And they’re like, yeah, I guess. I don’t know. But I watched him do that so many times.

JOE ROGAN: That’s hilarious.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, because he could charge this crazy amount, and he’d just get the sh*ttiest, cheapest tequila from Costco or wherever the heck.

JOE ROGAN: So gross.

JEFF DYE: I know.

JOE ROGAN: That’s, so many people do that all over the world. There’s a lot of that going on.

JEFF DYE: There was.

The Wine Fraud Documentary

JOE ROGAN: There was a great documentary about that. It’s called Sour Grapes. And it’s all about these wine guys that got d*cked. They were buying this wine that was like Thomas Jefferson’s wine. Some dude was making it. Some dude in Century City was like.

JEFF DYE: Making the label, putting over the bottle, putting dirt on.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, he was totally doing that. And he was mixing a bunch of cheap wine to try to come up with this flavor.

JEFF DYE: Like it’s always this. Was it a big wine guy?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, yeah, man.

JEFF DYE: Oh, really?

JOE ROGAN: Oh, dude, this is how he f*ed up. He ripped off the Koch brothers.

JEFF DYE: Too big.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. And they bought some old a, Thomas Jefferson wine and it wasn’t real. And then they also had some magnums from a company that never made magnums during that year, during that era. And this actual wine guy saw their cellar and started, what is this? And he says, that’s a this and that. He goes, no, no, no, they don’t do that. This is not from that. This is fake.

And he was like, what? And so then they have a lot of resources, obviously, so they’re like, release the hounds. And then they caught him. They get enough evidence that they can raid this guy’s house. And so when they raid this guy’s house, they find a whole manufacturing thing. He’s got dirt and water. He’s rubbing it on the labels. He’s making the labels old and sh*t.

JEFF DYE: Hilarious.

JOE ROGAN: He’s reusing old labels from wine that he had bought somewhere else and re-corking it and sealing it. Oh, total scumbag. And he sold millions of dollars worth of fugazi wine to all these dorks that are like, these dorks?

JEFF DYE: Yeah. And they’re all, I spent this much on this. Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: It has an essence of tannin. There’s a woody, a woody aftertaste, almost chocolate. Ah, tasted chocolate.

JEFF DYE: I wish who caught him was a sommelier. Someone who was actually, no, this tastes like sh*t. And I got to be like, oh, it’s real.

JOE ROGAN: There is one sommelier in that documentary that these other guys were sniffing it, going, this is the real stuff. And the other guy gets it. He goes, no, this is crap. What is this?

JEFF DYE: I love that.

JOE ROGAN: And the, but which is a huge insult to the other fellows. And they don’t want to say they got duped. No, no, no.

JEFF DYE: This is the best.

JOE ROGAN: The best grapes during the best year.

JEFF DYE: I have it. I have the grapes. Can’t you taste the hint of Costco? You don’t taste the box on this wine.

JOE ROGAN: Taste Trader Joe.

JEFF DYE: That’s hilarious. What a weird thing.

JOE ROGAN: It’s a weird thing, man. But it’s a fascinating documentary because it shows you what that thing really is. It’s this weird club that they all belong to where they get real nerdy about a flavor that’s not that good.

JEFF DYE: It’s not that bad, but you want the finest.

JOE ROGAN: So you believe the best wine is not nearly as good as Kool-Aid.

JEFF DYE: That’s true.

JOE ROGAN: Kool-Aid is far superior to the best wine ever.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, but it’s not exclusive. It’s Kool-Aid.

JOE ROGAN: It’s such a weird thing that some of it is so expensive and so revered that they have auctions for it.

Autograph Fraud

JEFF DYE: The autograph world is full of a bunch of bullcrap like that. If you collect athletes’ autographs and stuff. I’m friends with the guys at Icon Autograph in San Diego or whatever, and they’re great guys, but I’ll send them a photo of a thing and be like, this is selling at this hotel lobby.

JOE ROGAN: They have those.

JEFF DYE: When you walk in, it’ll be a photo of Taylor Swift framed, and it’s just her autograph on it. It’s selling for $5,000 or whatever. And I sent him a thing because the item was so unique that I was like, this is pretty special. It was a baseball autographed by Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe. To have both those names on the baseball, I was like, this.

JOE ROGAN: There’s no way.

JEFF DYE: This is at a silent auction right now for a thousand bucks. I sent it to my autograph guy, and he goes, dude, there’s one of those in the world. And it sold at auction for millions or whatever. So this guy, just somebody like the guy you’re describing putting dirt on the, thought he could pull one over and probably did.

I mean, I didn’t go whistleblower or anything, but he definitely did. Someone just wrote Joe DiMaggio on a baseball and Marilyn Monroe and put it in a fancy case. And some schmuck has that right now in his living room telling everybody about this ball he bought.

JOE ROGAN: Committed suicide over after the story went viral over the summer. Oh, my God. He admits to counterfeiting over $350 million in gear after police raid warehouses and then he killed himself. The dealer says the scheme grew to be an addiction. Wow.

JEFF DYE: What did he.

JOE ROGAN: All sorts of fake autographs. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. All sorts of bullsh*t. So, of course, there’s a lot of that.

JEFF DYE: Oh, dude. Tons of it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. People repacking things. Of course, you’re always going to have, that’s wild. Yeah, it’s just what.

Sports Gambling Scandals

JEFF DYE: I guess people’s risk reward is fascinating to me, too. You know about the Chauncey Billups thing.

JOE ROGAN: What’s that?

JEFF DYE: He’s a, he was the head coach, Hall of Fame.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, there’s the NBA thing. Yes.

JEFF DYE: Hall of Famer.

JOE ROGAN: The money scam.

JEFF DYE: And then he’s the coach of the Portland Trail Blazers. So you have money coming in, you’re not desperate, and then you’re going to risk your entire reputation. You’re going to risk your entire bank account by doing gambling and doing all this dumb sh*t. I’m like, why would, at that point, you think, no more risks. You’re pretty good. Why do corruption. Why have all this gambling nonsense? It makes no sense to me.

I get it. If my friend does it, who’s broke and is like, dude, I had to pull some bullsh*t. Times are tough. This guy’s the head coach for the Portland Trail Blazers. What are you doing?

JOE ROGAN: I think people get addicted to just pulling things off.

JEFF DYE: That’s what that one was saying, is that this guy said he was.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, people are nuts, man. The gambling addiction is a weird one, man. And I think some of those guys, maybe they get a bunch of losses, and then they want to get it back by rigging a game. But they want to make it so they definitely are going to win. And they feel funny. It’s fun to get over. You rigged a game, tricked them. Yeah, yeah.

JEFF DYE: There’s two baseball players for the Cleveland Indians right now.

JOE ROGAN: They’re bringing up video where he accidentally struck people out and he’s p*ssed.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Strike.

JEFF DYE: These two players, they’ll never play.

JOE ROGAN: He’s supposed to throw balls.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. For $5,000 a pitch, which is kind of chump change to guys who make $30 million a year. That’s not good money for these guys. And they’re supposed to throw a ball at a certain time or walk a player. They were doing these different things and they caught him.

JOE ROGAN: So the prop bets thing is the weird one, right?

JEFF DYE: Yeah. And that’s what makes it weird that DraftKings and all these things are such a big part of sports now.

UFC Betting Investigation

JOE ROGAN: Right. Because you’re just going to have organized criminals that get involved in that and exploit it. There’s a UFC problem right now.

JEFF DYE: Oh, really?

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, a UFC fight. So this was a story. A lot of the UFC has an organization, I don’t know what organization they use, maybe you could find out, Jamie, that monitors unusual betting activity. And the moment there’s any unusual betting activity, they contact the UFC. The UFC contacts this fighter, says, hey, you’re the favorite to win this fight. There’s a lot of unusual betting activity on you to lose. Are you okay? Is everything fine? Are you injured? No, no, I’m fine. I’m going to kill this f*ing guy.

Okay. Has anybody contacted you about this fight? No. So he goes out, loses in the first round, gets submitted, rear naked choke. Doesn’t look good. Immediately, the UFC says, we called the FBI. So.

JEFF DYE: Good.

JOE ROGAN: Now, apparently there’s an investigation of many fights.

JEFF DYE: Right.

Betting Scandals in MMA

JOE ROGAN: And there’s a web, it seems like, of people that have contacted fighters and said, “I will give you X amount of dollars if you lose this fight.” And a bunch of people have said no to it and publicly talked about how they said no to it. You know, really good fighters, and even went on to lose the fight, you know, unfortunately, and didn’t get the money. But we’re open about it.

So it’s one, like, Patchy Mix. He was Bellator champion, came over to the UFC and he said that someone, I think he said somebody offered him $70,000 or something like that to lose a fight. Something crazy. I might be wrong. If it was him that said that number might have been someone else, but they’re offering dudes like a big pile of cash to lose to a fighter that they might lose to anyway. Right?

You know, like, it’s probably a tight matchup anyway, but if you definitely lose, so what do you do? You don’t fight as hard. You make mistakes. You do something stupid. You let them take your back. Right? You get choked out, and if you’re good at defense, you might be able to, as long as you’re getting submitted, you’re probably not going to get hurt that bad. And you’ll be able to make an extra 70 grand when you might be getting 10,000 to fight. Right? So now all of a sudden, you got 80 grand. Are you alone with it? Obviously, I think it’s f*ing terrible.

JEFF DYE: Are you allowed to bet on yourself to win? Is that a thing?

JOE ROGAN: Well, I know fighters have in the past.

JEFF DYE: Because that would be fine.

JOE ROGAN: I think UFC fighters right now are not capable of betting on the UFC. I think it’s not just the fighters, but the commentators, the coaches, referees, everybody. No one’s supposed to be betting on the UFC because there was another betting scandal.

So the other betting scandal was this guy who is an active MMA fighter and a really good coach, and he got accused of using this Discord server, and they were running like a gambling Discord server, and a bunch of money came in on this dude to lose in the first round. And he went out there and he lost in the first round.

And the word was that he was hurt and that it had been expressed to these people, “Bet against him because he’s going to lose in the first round.” And a lot of people made money. So this guy gets investigated, the UFC bans him. I don’t know what the status of his case is, but they also banned the fighters that were training out of that gym. I think. I don’t know if this guy, see if this guy who just got in trouble, if he was connected to that gym. The gym was James Krause’s gym.

JEFF DYE: Because I was fine with if they want to bet to win. You’re like, I love that, right?

JOE ROGAN: I love that, too. The thing is easy to trace when you were talking about like prop bets and stuff like that. Losing the first round, you could just definitely lose in the first round. And everybody makes a hundred thousand dollars, you know what I mean? Like, some people are going to take that, right? Especially if a guy is like pretty good, but realistically is not going to be a world champion. You know, maybe you’re 32, maybe you got a lot of f*ing.

JEFF DYE: Maybe you’re Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul.

JOE ROGAN: You might have alimony you have to pay off. You might have child support you have to pay off. You’re in debt, and that’s why you’re fighting in the first place. And someone comes along and you’re out of the hole. Now you’re going to get $100,000 to throw, and they’re just going to bet a ton of loot on you, right? And they’re going to hope nobody notices.

But I guess now people are noticing it, and you can kind of see if someone’s not fighting back. And that was the thing about this fight. I got to see it, obviously, when I knew the controversy, I didn’t see it live, so I didn’t have fresh eyes, you know, I didn’t see it live and go, “God, why is that guy fighting off the choke so badly?”

JEFF DYE: There’s a bunch of NBA guys. Some Instagram account is really good. He found, excuse me, just dry mouth, dry throat.

JOE ROGAN: Have a sip of water.

JEFF DYE: I got nothing.

JOE ROGAN: Why you sip of water? Yes. He was previously coached by James Krause. Say that again, Jim. He was previously coached by James Krause. Okay, so this guy who allegedly threw this fight was also coached by this guy who was involved in the betting scandal. So that’s why computers are good.

JEFF DYE: It’s kind of little things where you can find that like, oh, this is like computers helping that way for sure.

JOE ROGAN: That’s a tangled web. If you’re involved with people that are making money gambling and not on the square. So the thing is, if you’re just gambling on the square, if you just watch a fight like Pereira versus Ankalaev 2, and you say, “I like Pereira to get that title back, I’m going to f*ing, I’m going to put my money where my mouth is. I’m putting two large, two large on Poatan. Let’s go.” That should, that’s totally fine and fun.

But when it gets to, you have a prelim fighter and he’s only making ten grand and someone offers him, “You’re going to get choked in the first round.” And it’s like, “Okay, I got it, I got it, I got it.” And the opponent probably doesn’t even know. So this guy has to figure out a way to give this guy his back.

JEFF DYE: Right. Oh, that’s kind of funny. He’s like, leading him.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, you have to give it to him. You have to give it to him. There’s been fights like that. There’s been fixed fights for sure.

JEFF DYE: Oh, for sure.

JOE ROGAN: Has to be.

JEFF DYE: Especially in boxing. Oh, it’s weird because those boxers are, their lives are so tough. I mean.

Boxing and Mob Ties

JOE ROGAN: Well, they’ve always done that throughout history. Guys have taken dives, you know, especially if you weren’t connected enough. You know, if you were a guy that wasn’t with a big time manager who had a big time lawyer and probably mob ties.

JEFF DYE: Mob ties.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, they all had mob ties. You had to have mob ties.

JEFF DYE: I’m going to lose a fight if the whole mob’s going to kill my wife or something.

JOE ROGAN: You know what? Think Rocky Marciano had mob ties for sure. If you’re the heavyweight champion of the world and you’re Italian, all the mobsters want to be your friend.

JEFF DYE: And you’re a boxer. They love that.

JOE ROGAN: Flatlining everybody.

JEFF DYE: It’s funny to find out how many of these old guys didn’t even like the sports. They just liked all the money part of it.

Rocky Marciano’s Training Regimen

JOE ROGAN: Well, Marciano talked about it like that, like it was, it’s just my job. But that guy was the freakiest training person I’ve ever heard of in boxing. Like the freakiest training. It was crazy. Like, part of what made Marciano so good was that he never got tired because he had this insane work ethic.

And he lost one fight when he was younger, I think in the amateurs, because he got tired. And he decided after that fight he was never going to lose a fight ever because he got tired. So he just put himself through this f*ing insane routine where he would get up in the morning before any training, he would run 10 miles, he would do his training, he would hit the heavy bag for hours, then he would swim miles in the lake.

After training, he would spar 100 rounds a week. He would just get to the point where, you know, we’re talking about redlining.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: And he did the same thing. He redlined to the point where he couldn’t do it anymore. And then he retired undefeated. But does that red line, that kind of thing that he was doing, you can’t do forever. And I watched this video about it the other day. I’m like, this is bananas just to watch that guy’s work ethic. And back when nobody had any, you have no creatine, there’s no vitamins.

Michael Chandler’s Work Ethic

JEFF DYE: You know, I think about when you say the redlining thing, and maybe it’s just because I’m influenced by his, like the videos he posts and the things he does. But every time I know Michael Chandler and like, every time like I see this guy, like, he’s like, “Oh, you’re in Arizona, like swing by the gym” and he’s like throwing the thing again. Like he’s just always, it’s like in this, like he’s, “I’m going to shoot a TV show tomorrow.”

JOE ROGAN: But I got to work out.

JEFF DYE: Like, he’s always, always so tremendous discipline. Full on. I’ve never seen him going, “I’m taking a month off” or “We’re going to the pool.”

JOE ROGAN: That’s why he’s still elite at 38. I believe he’s 38 now. Right? How old is Michael Chandler? I believe he’s 38. But that’s why he’s so elite. He’s never gotten out of shape. 39. 39. Because that guy, people don’t even know about the wars that he got in with Eddie Alvarez when they were at Bellator. That’s when I met him, was Bellator. One of the greatest fights in MMA history went unseen by a giant chunk of MMA fans because they didn’t pay attention to Bellator.

But the Eddie Alvarez, Michael Chandler fights in Bellator were nuts.

JEFF DYE: Really.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, nuts. Play a clip of it. I mean, nuts. Like from the opening bell to max, f*ing roosters just attacking each other. It is, it’s so wild.

JEFF DYE: Were those Bellator guys redlining because they just wanted to get to UFC? Like, they’re still climbing the ladder. They’re still in the hunt.

The Chandler vs. Alvarez Wars

JOE ROGAN: Well, they were just, these guys just redlined their entire career. Eddie Alvarez went on to become a UFC lightweight champion when he beat Rafael Dos Anjos. Huge upset. Eddie Alvarez is a fing beast. But these two guys, from the opening of the fing seconds of the fight, look, this is the beginning of the fight. Chandler’s just right up rolling himself at him, just sprinting at him.

JEFF DYE: Drops him, bro.

JOE ROGAN: Drops him again. Look at this. It’s crazy. Alvarez survives somehow. And he fires back, bro. These fights are nuts. The fights, I think they had that, I know they definitely had two. I don’t think they had three. But the two fights that they had together were insane. I mean, the entire pace of the fight was fought like this.

JEFF DYE: He’s awesome, dude.

JOE ROGAN: And they’re really evenly matched. It was a really good match.

JEFF DYE: Alvarez looks a little bigger than him.

JOE ROGAN: Well, Chandler’s a f*ing tank, dude. Dude, Chandler’s the best, and he’s got crazy wrestler power from the legs, you know? So when he leaps at you, like when he knocked out Dan Hooker, he lunges at you like he’s shooting a double and throws a left hook at the same time. When he knocked out Dan Hooker in his UFC debut. A really respectable MMA fighter, a very good fighter, but he just got caught.

Find that one, Jamie. Find Michael Chandler KO’s Dan Hooker, because this was his UFC debut. And again, Dan Hooker is like an elite fighter, which is one of the reasons why it was so impressive. And the fight starts out, and Chandler does the same fing, this is his first fight in the UFC, the same sht he did in Bellator, he just charges forward.

JEFF DYE: I love it.

JOE ROGAN: I mean, this is how he always fights. It’s do or die. That’s why this guy’s lost a ton of times, but he’s still a huge fan favorite. It’s because, you know, you’re going to see this. I mean, he’s just throwing bombs. He’s just so dangerous, man. Because everything is a hundred percent.

JEFF DYE: No. Oh, that one hurt. That was just one, too.

JOE ROGAN: Here comes. And look at the immediate big knockout for Michael Chandler. Big right hand. Dan’s hurt. Oh, my God, bro.

JEFF DYE: That’s a wrap, bro.

JOE ROGAN: And then he does a backflip off the top of the cage, bro. That’s a freak, dude. Freak athlete.

Meeting Michael Chandler and the Bellator Fighters

JEFF DYE: I met him. So I was doing a prank show for MTV called Money From Strangers, which was kind of like Impractical Jokers, but way darker. We were a lot edgier. It was before Impractical Jokers. They’d always send me to MTV Movie Awards or any kind of those things. And I was like, I don’t know. I live in New York. They’re going to send a car. I get to go on a red carpet. Whatever. I’ll drink. I’ll make it fun.

They happened to be behind me. The Bellator guys happened to be the next guys in the red carpet line. And the way the red carpet works is no one cares about us at all. They’re just waiting to get Miley Cyrus or Beyoncé or whoever the hell it is. So we’re basically, the photos they’re taking are just something we’re going to save off the Internet because no one gives a shit.

They were all Bellator guys, so people at this movie awards don’t necessarily care. These guys are behind me, and they’re like, “This guy’s fun,” because I’m making all these jokes and goofing around, and I was already kind of buzzing up. And so then that Michael Chandler and these two other Bellator guys. Brog the Predator, you know he is?

JOE ROGAN: No, he was a Bellator guy, too. Cleveland guy.

JEFF DYE: Okay. Big guy. He’s awesome, too. But anyways, these three guys, and they were like, “This is kind of dumb.” And I was like, “Yeah, this shit’s kind of gay. I don’t want to be here.” You know? And then they were like, “Let’s just go drink.” And so we just drank and met people and hung out, and they want to get Subway, and we got in a car and got Subway. I just hung out with these dudes all night, and I’ve been pals with them ever since.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, that’s awesome. Yeah.

JEFF DYE: But it’s like, I didn’t really know what they did. I just kind of knew that they were fighter guys. And so I thought they were in UFC at that time, and they weren’t. They were in whatever was paying really well.

Bellator vs. UFC

JOE ROGAN: And Bellator had a pretty good following for a while. I mean, they were doing really well. There was some real elite fighters out of Bellator, and a lot of guys came over to the UFC because they became famous in Bellator. Like Ben Askren, he came over from Bellator. He actually did a stint at One FC before he came to UFC eventually.

But there’s a lot of guys that never came over, unfortunately. Like Douglas Lima. Douglas Lima, at one point in time, was one of the best welterweights alive. And he was the Bellator champion. He’s like the only guy that’s ever knocked out Michael Venom Page.

JEFF DYE: Do they have an MMA Hall of Fame?

JOE ROGAN: Yes, there’s a UFC Hall of Fame, and I think there’s an MMA one, too. Maybe MMA Awards. I don’t know. There’s a UFC Hall of Fame, though.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, but that’s UFC guys.

JOE ROGAN: I know, I know. There’s some guys, they wait too long in these other organizations, unfortunately. And the reality of the sport is, you know, there’s a bunch of different organizations you can compete for. And I think if the PFL is paying you more money, go to the PFL, do whatever you want to do. But if you really want to be the world champion, you have to be the UFC champion. That’s just how it is right now.

JEFF DYE: It’s like Major League Baseball.

JOE ROGAN: So it’s like in boxing, if you’re the undisputed champion, you have all belts, then you’re Terrence Crawford. But if you’re a WBA champion, and there’s also a WBC champion and an IBF champion, that shit’s too confusing to the average person. And for most people, the UFC is, for good or for bad, they’re just, I’m just saying, that’s just how most people think of it.

JEFF DYE: That’s how I probably annoyed them that night, because I was like, “Oh, you guys are UFC guys?” And they’re like, “We’re Bellator.”

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. You don’t go looking for cotton swabs. You go buy Q-tips.

JEFF DYE: You look for Q-tips. That’s what it is.

JOE ROGAN: Just watching pro football. You’re watching the f*ing NFL.

JEFF DYE: Absolutely.

JOE ROGAN: And if you’re so bored, you’re watching…

JEFF DYE: The XFL, Canadian Football League.

JOE ROGAN: I got to go to the gun range or something. I got to clear my head.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. What would happen to me?

JOE ROGAN: I got to do something different. But I feel like that’s just for better or for worse. It’s just how it is. That’s how it is in America. We don’t have a lot of attention span, and if it’s going to be elite fighting, it’s got to be, there’s like one organization that we follow.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. And I follow them all.

JOE ROGAN: I follow everything. I try to pay as much attention to Muay Thai as I do to boxing, as I do to wrestling and Jiu-jitsu tournaments. I try to pay attention to everything just because I want to know who’s coming up, who’s good, what’s new, what different things are people trying that they’ve never done before?

Holly Holm’s Wrestling Debut

JEFF DYE: You see Holly Holm did wrestling, bro.

JOE ROGAN: She’s a f*ing athlete.

JEFF DYE: She’s the best.

JOE ROGAN: She is an athlete. After her fights, Mike Winklejohn used to, she used to stand on his hands and do a backflip after all of her fights.

JEFF DYE: It’s amazing.

JOE ROGAN: See if you can find that.

JEFF DYE: It’s crazy. She would win and then he would do this back at a place to watch wrestling and then there was something she could sign up for. And she’s like, “F* it, I’ll do it.” And they were like, “Really?” Because she’s famous. So they were like, “We’ll let you be part of it.”

JOE ROGAN: She goes, “Sure.”

JEFF DYE: And she did. And she was just, the second they said her name, everyone cheered. It was like not a huge grandiose plan thing. There was no contract, there was no anything. She just did it. It was like this here. She text me about it. I go, “What? Did they go crazy?” And she’s like, “No, I mean, it was just fun. It was a fun thing. I thought, why not?”

JOE ROGAN: That’s the thing. We’ll show that again. Watch the best. Watch how they do this.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, so cool.

JOE ROGAN: That was the thing they would do after all her fights. Well, she had a back muscle, son. That’s crazy.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. What’d she say? Oh, she said the guy, her manager, whoever she asked about it briefly, he was like, “Well, what if you get hurt?” And her, this is great, she goes, “Yeah, but what if I win?” And I was like, what a great response. And he was like, “F* it, let her do it.” And so she did it. And I was like, that is the coolest thing.

JOE ROGAN: That’s why.

JEFF DYE: What a mentality.

JOE ROGAN: Multi-sport martial arts champion.

JEFF DYE: She’s the best.

JOE ROGAN: She was a champion in kickboxing, you know, she had champion in boxing, women’s boxing, in MMA. She did the full trifecta. Yeah, she’s the best kind of crazy. And she’s a really nice lady too.

JEFF DYE: That’s what I like about her.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, she’s cool. Sweetheart.

JEFF DYE: I don’t know a lot of fighters. I named all the fighters I know, Michael Chandler and Holly Holm.

Holly Holm vs. Ronda Rousey

JOE ROGAN: That Holly Holm fight with Ronda Rousey was nuts. That was in Australia. It was a huge crowd, like a massive arena, man. And when she landed that head kick and you realize that Ronda was out, and then she’s hammer fisting her with, it just didn’t even, it was like when Mike Tyson got beat. Remember when Mike Tyson, you were too young, but when I…

JEFF DYE: I was a kid, Buster Douglas.

JOE ROGAN: When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson, I saw it, I heard about it. I didn’t watch it. I saw a tape of it, and I still thought he was going to get up.

JEFF DYE: You knew the outcome.

JOE ROGAN: I was like, he gets up, he doesn’t lose. There’s no way. There’s no way.

JEFF DYE: No, I remember that for sure, because Mike Tyson was larger than life. And he was so, one of those celebrities that you knew everything he was doing. The stars shined really brightly back then. There was Michael Jackson. You knew Michael Jordan. You knew Michael Jackson.

JOE ROGAN: You knew they would go out.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: They would go to places and people.

JEFF DYE: Big deal.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: Mike Tyson. I remember being in the Kingdom watching a baseball game. It was the same night, I was a little boy. And they put on the screen that Mike Tyson was disqualified for biting Evander Holyfield’s ear. And the whole stadium reacted. I mean, they didn’t interrupt a baseball game, but they put it up there because the news was so large. Like, it was a very big deal, bro.

JOE ROGAN: He bit him twice. That was crazy. I watched the first fight today. I watched the first Evander Holyfield.

JEFF DYE: Why’d you watch it today?

JOE ROGAN: I just felt like watching it. I love that I do that. When I’m in the gym, I’ll pick an old fight. I’ll put it on, and I put on that fight. I was like, wow, that was a crazy fight.

Workout Motivation

JEFF DYE: I can’t work out unless David Goggins is calling me a pussy in my headset. That’s all I listen to.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t know me, son.

JEFF DYE: Dude, it’s the best. Every time I’m, I was at Equinox this morning. I had David Goggins in my thing, just going, “You’re a piece of shit.”

JOE ROGAN: You can do better, Jeff. You can be bigger. Goggins is the best.

JEFF DYE: That’s what I listen to are those kind of YouTube things where they compile, you know, it’s just all motivation stuff with music over it.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t feel like a guy who needs motivation.

JEFF DYE: No.

JOE ROGAN: For fun.

JEFF DYE: I like it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: And it keeps me in the mindset. I always channel all of it back to stand-up comedy, you know, because I’m working towards something. I’m in the hunt, I’m climbing. And so they could be talking about a battle in war and I’m…

JOE ROGAN: Still like, yep, that’s what I’m…

JEFF DYE: What’s next? I’m going to, yeah, I’m climbing, you know, I’m still hungry.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, that’s a fun time. It’s a fun thing to do.

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: You know, the fact that you get…

JEFF DYE: To do it when also, otherwise I’d just sleep till noon or sleep till one, you know, but if I have that, I’m like, no, I got to get up and write or I got to get up.

Universal Basic Income and the Future of Work

JOE ROGAN: And you know, here’s the question. You’re doing this, obviously, and you’re doing this for the love of the thing. And you said that if you didn’t need money and you didn’t even get paid money, you would still do it. And I think the same way I would do it too.

But what do you think about the idea of universal basic income? Because this is something that is being discussed with automation and with AI. And we were having a conversation about it the other day with Elon and he was saying that he thinks that AI can generate so much productivity that you could have universal high income.

And then I went, wait, okay, am I… Are we married to this idea that everything that you do in life you have to be doing just for money? Because that’s what it is now. If you’re a professional, you’re doing it for money. If you’re a professional podcaster, if you’re a race car driver, you’re doing it for money, right?

Why are we married to that? And if you didn’t need money and no one needed money, would you just find a thing you love to do? And would we be able to rewire our brains and still have some feeling of value and of identity and without being attached to an occupation?

Like, isn’t it possible that we’ve just tricked ourselves into thinking that the only way to live is to live in a way where everything you’re doing, you’re doing is for money? And then if it’s just everybody does their best at things and enough money is generated so that basically everybody has… Has like what he was saying, a universal high income.

What does that mean? Is that a feasible thing? What is AI going to do with production? What is AI going to do with automation? Resource extraction? How much money is going to be generated that you’re going to be able to literally have the entire population of the country under universal high income? Is that even possible?

And if it is, what happens to people’s desire? What happens to their dreams? Do they just find a thing like you and I have and do that and not care about money and really be into the thing? Can’t that be taught? If it’s taught to you, you figured it out, and I figured it out.

If people have figured it out, they figured out, find a thing you love and you’re never going to work again because you’re going to love doing it. Whether it’s building cars or painting or carpentry. If you really f*ing love doing it, you do it because you love it.

Wouldn’t that be a better way to live? I know, I know. You can’t do it. I know, I know, I know. It wouldn’t work. There’s too much money in the stock market. I get it, I get it. It wouldn’t work. But as a thought experiment, wouldn’t that be a way that’s possible for people to live? If it’s possible for you to live that way. If it’s possible for me to live that way. If it’s possible to find enough people that are willing to do and love to do all the things that we need to keep a society running?

Finding Meaning in Life

JEFF DYE: I think the point of life, in my opinion, is meaning. So you associate whatever that means to you, right? So a lot of people find meaning in being a mom or a dad that gives them enough. They have that meaning or they have a hammer to hold on to. They need that meaning, right?

I need comedy. That’s why when my brain broke during COVID is because I didn’t have comedy. I didn’t have an outlet, creative.

JOE ROGAN: How did you go without doing any comedy?

JEFF DYE: I mean, realistically, I only went a few days because I was doing Zooms and I was doing underground things for rich guys. I was the first comic. Me and Brad Williams were the first comics to go work in a comedy club with the new COVID restrictions. We were the cause. They knew if they called me or Brad, we’d say yes.

Keith Stubbs called me from Salt Lake, goes, “We’re thinking about doing a show with all the restrictions and just see if the government shuts us down. Would you be willing to come?” I was like, yes. I didn’t even talk about price. I just go, yes. Because I need it now.

Why do I need it? Because that’s where I personally find my meaning now. If I maybe was at home and going, man, I’m getting a lot more time with my kids and I’m getting a lot more time with my wife and things are pretty productive around here, that’s where I would have put my meaning. It’s just where we put it. And I think so a lot of people find a lot of value in their jobs that make them the money, but that gives them something to do, don’t you think?

JOE ROGAN: Yes, I do think that. But what you’re saying about… So if you just find meaning, what you’re saying about finding meaning and having a family or finding meaning, yes, for sure. But also I think the human mind needs activities, right. I don’t think it’s just raising children only. I think you should probably have things that you love to do as well, just for your own sanity.

But if you didn’t have to worry about money, you’d still be involved in this pursuit of stand up comedy because you love it. All the stuff that people do just for money. Like the guy who does the f*ing septic tanks, that guy’s not having a good time. He’s smelling other people’s shit all day. He’s pumping out other people’s shit all day.

JEFF DYE: That’s…

JOE ROGAN: That can’t be fun, right? We need him, right? We need him until the robots come and then you don’t need him anymore. So this is the point. What does that guy do to find some sort of meaning? He’s probably not finding meaning in pulling shit out of people’s ground. He’s probably would like to do something different.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don’t know. I mean, I’m so naive that I’m like, no, that guy should be proud of himself. I look at plumbers like heroes. I’m like, dude, the guy that fixed electrical in my house, I’m like, I love you, dude. Whatever I can pay you, bro.

JOE ROGAN: I had a septic problem at my house once. One of my houses in California when I first moved there. And it was so nasty. When I would flush the toilet, the bathtub would fill up and I was like, what is this?

JEFF DYE: Those are linked.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, well, what it was was the septic system. There was a pump. I was living on a hill and the pump would pump it up the hill, the poop water, and then the pump broke. And so they ought to get in there and get the pump out in the poop water and put a new and start.

JEFF DYE: And that guy’s my hero. That guy.

JOE ROGAN: We need that guy. That’s a Bud Light commercial. Real American.

JEFF DYE: That’s why I like cops, what you’re saying earlier. But the military, the nurses, they’re…

JOE ROGAN: Going to send a robot to fix your poop. The robots, people, a robot’s going to do it and it’s going to do it perfectly with AI and you’re not going to need a person to get covered in shit water. Okay. And that guy’s going to get a lot of money just to sit at home. But then what does he do?

JEFF DYE: Right.

The Automation Revolution

JOE ROGAN: That’s the thing. Yeah. Because I think a lot of it’s going to happen really quickly. This is something that Andrew Yang was talking about years ago and it was sort of… I agree with him, but it was a little abstract then and now. This was way back. Was that 2020 when Andrew Yang was running for president?

JEFF DYE: I’ve never heard of Andrew Yang.

JOE ROGAN: You don’t know what’s that? Was it 2016? It might have been 2016. You never heard of Andrew. Brilliant guy and had a very good 2020. He had a brilliant… Yeah, I didn’t think it was that long ago. A great point about automation and that one day automation is going to remove a lot of jobs, including drivers. Right. Like you’re seeing it with these Waymos.

Yeah. So there’s… That is the first… That’s the first sounds. That’s the first shot fired across the bow of a crazy war where the robots are going to take all our jobs. Because that is… Now you have these Tesla trucks that are automated and they can… My car, my Tesla, I just press a button. It does all the driving, does everything. I don’t have to do shit. I can literally just sit there with my hands on the wheel and barely pay attention if I wanted to. I don’t do it.

JEFF DYE: I never do it either. I have it and I don’t do it.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It’s nuts. So that’s going to be the future and there’s going to be no driving jobs and… Okay, and then what about everything else? Well, everything else, manufacturing is out the window. Robots are going to do it 24 hours a day. They’re going to be more efficient. No unions, no health care, no need for nothing. They’re never going to f* up. Everything’s going to be categorized.

They have sets, these mining operations in China where everything’s automated. There’s no people working in at all. The trucks are driving, they’re getting recharged. They’re f*ing picking up the coal, they’re moving the coal, they’re bringing it somewhere else. It’s all automated. It’s bananas, man. So that’s just a massive erosion or erasing of jobs. They’re just going to go away.

JEFF DYE: Well, the dot-com did that.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. But I think this is way bigger, dude. I think this is way bigger. I think this happens. And first everybody’s like, wow, this sucks. And then it’s like, oh, my God, this is… It’s not stopping. It’s not stopping. It’s taking over everything. It’s going to be all jobs. There’s going to be no more need for lawyers, no more accountants, no more coders. All that stuff’s going to be done with AI.

It’s going to get so weird if you’re going to college right now, because you could be going to college for something that’s absolutely obsolete in three years. Sure. Yeah.

JEFF DYE: Well, but… So I get that problem, but someone’s introducing an idea that they just give money to people for free. So they don’t… Because of this.

The Distribution Problem

JOE ROGAN: Well, here’s the thing. If that becomes something that controls everything, which is really ultimately what it’s probably going to do, controls all of our power grid, all of our waste management resources, everything, it’s going to control everything. It’s going to generate insane amounts of wealth. The question is, how does it even get distributed?

JEFF DYE: That’s the part that I don’t…

JOE ROGAN: How does that work? Who’s got the money? If you’re just giving people money and then they… What they…

JEFF DYE: Now everyone’s a trust fund kid in a way. They don’t do anything. They just sit around and eat.

JOE ROGAN: And what do you… What do you get people involved with to occupy their time? Do you encourage them to join religious groups? Do you get them to be involved in games? Do we try to give people means? Are we all just going to sit around and wait for the robots to just take over and we’re going to be the last civilization of real people 100 years from now?

JEFF DYE: They’re going to be like, I think I want to do what the robots do. People like what? You know, in the old times, you know, people would actually have to do and then that maybe there’d be a movement of that.

JOE ROGAN: Dude, The Terminator was accurate. Yeah, oddly accurate. Remember you said, remember the first time you saw that movie? Like, this will never happen.

The Terminator Mushroom Trip

JEFF DYE: I’ll tell you a funny story about that Terminator. I was on mushrooms with my buddy Randy and he forgot that he had a long distance girlfriend. He forgot that he was going to call her. So we just ate four grams of mushrooms. We just crushed them, right? It was COVID, and we had nowhere to be is the point. So we just went, we’re going full journey. We’re going to do a bunch and we eat them or sitting there.

And then he goes, “Alright, I forgot I was going to call Rachel.” And I’m like, alright. But it starts to kick in a little bit. He left Terminator on and then his gay roommate is on a first date in the kitchen. So there’s two cute guys flirting with each other and one of them barely knows me and the other one doesn’t know anybody in the apartment.

And I’m just sitting there watching Terminator and the bullets are just going through him and then the metal just kind of starts forming and I’m just sitting. I don’t know if I was there for 20 minutes, I don’t know if I was there for seven hours. And I’m just freaking the f* out going, “God damn, you can’t kill these Terminators.” And these gay guys keep looking at me and I don’t know what Randy’s doing. I thought he just abandoned me forever.

I can’t even watch Terminator the same anymore. Luckily he came down and goes, “Alright, let’s go to the roof.” And I was like, “Thank God you’re here.” I went up there and talked about it all, but I was freaking the f* out.

JOE ROGAN: How long was he on the phone?

JEFF DYE: Don’t know. I’m going to guess 15, 20 minutes.

JOE ROGAN: But it seemed forever.

JEFF DYE: Oh, it seems so long. And I’m just sitting there overthinking everything. And then also the Terminator just seemed so pointless. I’m like, why? You can’t kill it. Just surrender. You can’t shoot through this thing.

JOE ROGAN: Well, didn’t it come back eventually and become a good guy in the later movies?

JEFF DYE: I don’t know which version of the Terminator I was watching. It was T2 or T3 or whatever.

JOE ROGAN: How many have there been? I don’t know how many. It wasn’t Fast and Furiouses or Terminators. Well, Fast and the Furious didn’t also become a TV show, I don’t think yet.

JEFF DYE: I just saw the New Predator and it f*ing rules.

JOE ROGAN: Terminator became a TV show. When? No, really?

JEFF DYE: Did you see the new Predator, Sarah Connor Chronicles?

JOE ROGAN: No, I haven’t seen the new Predator.

JEFF DYE: Dude, it rules.

JOE ROGAN: What was this? 2008, huh?

JEFF DYE: I didn’t watch it. That looks ridiculous.

JOE ROGAN: That was the thing they made. They went down the rabbit hole with Terminator. But there’s probably like six movies now.

JEFF DYE: I think I was watching T2 or T3.

JOE ROGAN: Terminator Salvation. The last ones that just try to wring that towel out and get a couple more drops of blood.

Cult Classic Horror Films

JEFF DYE: You ever seen the leprechaun movies?

JOE ROGAN: Yes, dude.

JEFF DYE: After a while, they’re just like, Leprechaun goes to space, Leprechaun in the hood. It was just literally put the leprechaun in some setting.

JOE ROGAN: It’s funny that some things catch and they become cult classics. The leprechaun movies were cult classics. And the troll movie. Ever see the troll movie?

JEFF DYE: I saw Troll 2, which was the worst film that’s ever been made. Have you seen that?

JOE ROGAN: Which one’s that?

JEFF DYE: There’s no Troll 1. They just made Troll 2. It’s so bad. It’s phenomenal. It’s absolutely the best. If you watch Troll 2, you’ll watch the first scene or whatever and you’ll go, “Oh, he’s the worst actor I’ve ever seen in my life.” And then the next person will come in the scene. You go, “Oh, no, she’s the worst actor.” And it just keeps going. Everyone is worse than the next person.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, God.

JEFF DYE: So bad.

JOE ROGAN: I think they remade Troll 2 and it’s coming out on Netflix.

JEFF DYE: You’re kidding.

JOE ROGAN: I just googled troll 2 and there’s a trailer for a movie coming out.

JEFF DYE: They made a documentary about it called Best Worst Movie.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, no. This is different.

JEFF DYE: These are pretty awesome.

JOE ROGAN: He’s got a pig troll too. I don’t know what the f it came from. Does the troll have a big d?

JEFF DYE: That’s his tail or something.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah, it’s got a tail.

JEFF DYE: It is weird that he doesn’t have a d*, though.

JOE ROGAN: Why does he conveniently have animal skins over his d? 1990 was another one came out. I would imagine he would be totally comfortable being naked. Who cares? You’re not modest. Why are you going to cover your giant d?

JEFF DYE: Yeah.

JOE ROGAN: Your giant bulletproof.

JEFF DYE: Show it off while you kill people.

JOE ROGAN: Swinging while you’re stomping on people. Last thing I do is see that helmet dropping down.

JEFF DYE: Look at the size of my cock.

JOE ROGAN: This is ridiculous.

JEFF DYE: Why would he be vain?

JOE ROGAN: Or why would he be modest? It’s supposed to be really good. Looks really good. Is that new Frankenstein?

JEFF DYE: Oh, yeah, the Guillermo del Toro. Yes. I haven’t seen that. You don’t like the Predator movies?

JOE ROGAN: They’re good. I liked the Prey one.

JEFF DYE: Pretty good.

JOE ROGAN: That was a good one. Fun, the Comanche.

JEFF DYE: A lot of Indians dying in that.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. It was kind of cool.

The New Predator Movie

JEFF DYE: That one felt weird. This one, I don’t want to spoil anything, but they definitely stray from the rules of being a predator. But it’s so good. Really is really good. I loved it.

JOE ROGAN: Oh, it’s the one where, is she a robot?

JEFF DYE: She’s a robot. Which also makes it more realistic that she’s so able to do everything. Anytime I’d start to feel sexist, like, “Oh, my gosh, they did this girl power thing,” you’re like, no, she’s just a robot they made look like a woman. So it’s not like you have to feel like it’s not, whatever.

JOE ROGAN: So this is predators getting f*ed up here.

JEFF DYE: So it’s based off this one runt predator who’s on, that’s why he looks kind of weird. That’s the predator.

JOE ROGAN: What it is.

JEFF DYE: Yeah. I didn’t spoil anything, but he’s a little runt.

JOE ROGAN: Oh.

JEFF DYE: And so that’s why he’s out to prove himself. Because he’s smaller than all of them. He’s missing a fang. He looks a little weird, but that’s because he’s supposed to look weird. Because a lot of people like, “This predator looks stupid.”

JOE ROGAN: 85%. That’s interesting. 93%. This movie. No, I like when they can do that with a movie. You think, “Oh, what is this going to be?”

JEFF DYE: Right?

JOE ROGAN: Flip it on its head.

JEFF DYE: And every time there would be a thing where I’d start to criticize it, I’d be like, “This feels like Mortal Kombat.” And then in my mind, I’d go, “Jeff, you love Mortal Kombat.” And then the next part, be like, “This is kind of Star Wars.” I’m like, “But I love Star Wars.” So I kept coaching myself. And then after a while, “This movie’s really good.”

AI Music and Technology

JOE ROGAN: Yeah. You got to just enjoy things. That’s what I tell people when I play AI music for them. Just enjoy it. Forget about the fact the robots taking over. This is great music.

JEFF DYE: This is a pattern of every famous person I know.

JOE ROGAN: What’d you say, Jamie? Great is tough. Great is a weird word for it. Amazing. How about that? Very good. “What Up, Gangsta?” is amazing. I’ve gone so many rabbit holes, too. Watching cover songs, my favorite cover song and finding different bands doing good versions of it. The real bands are better for sure, because it’s a real band, so it’s a real person. But I love listening to AI music. I know there’s one going viral.

JEFF DYE: I’ve never even heard of this.

JOE ROGAN: There’s another. It’s not officially number one. It’s a weird designation, but there’s a song that’s number one on the country digital sales chart by a completely AI band.

JEFF DYE: Well, DJs kind of did that. DJs were kind of the first version of that. They’re putting in their robot and then making the songs and sampling and stuff. So this is just, I mean, it’s not that far deviating.

JOE ROGAN: This is way deviating. You could change the kind of song. You could have it a little Charlie Crockett, a little Elvis Presley. You could mix it. They’re essentially drawing from all the songs that have ever been made. So all the best sounds that anybody’s ever sung has to be good. It’s amazing. It’s so good.

JEFF DYE: It has to be the way you just described it. It has all the music.

JOE ROGAN: We’ll wrap this up, Jeff, and we’ll wrap this up, and I’ll play you a little “What Up, Gangsta?” We don’t need the audience at home to hear this, but you need to hear this. We’ll have to edit out it anyway.

JEFF DYE: Every so many successful people I know are really big music heads.

JOE ROGAN: Ah, music is a drug, man. Yeah, it’s a marvelous drug that inspires you, makes you feel better, makes you move around that mothership.

JEFF DYE: You guys are always playing good music up in that green room.

JOE ROGAN: And I’m always like, “What is this?”

JEFF DYE: Every single time I think I’m in that green room, I’m always going, “What’s this one?”

JOE ROGAN: Tony’s got a bunch. Well, everybody contributes. Everybody. When they find a cool song, we’ll bring it into the green room, and then we’ll add it to the, we got the playlist on Spotify is 34 hours or something now. It’s crazy. Just keep adding cool songs.

JEFF DYE: That’s perfect.

Wrapping Up

JOE ROGAN: Jeff Dye. Anything website, Instagram.

JEFF DYE: I just launched a podcast. It’s called Die Hard. Pretty good.

JOE ROGAN: Yeah.

JEFF DYE: D-Y-E Hard.

JOE ROGAN: Okay.

JEFF DYE: Once a week. Comes out every week. You can watch it on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. It’s on everything. And then at first, I didn’t. Because of you. I made it for everyone. I had it behind a thing on a Patreon, and I could not.

JOE ROGAN: Don’t do that. It just won’t grow. That’s the problem. You get some money for a complete lack of.

JEFF DYE: Yeah, I’d rather everyone hear it. And then also, we’ll start doing a thing where it’s once a week, we’ll do the face to face, where I have an interview with somebody that I like and sit down and do a proper podcast. But yeah, and then jeffdye.com to find all my tour dates, and I’ll see you tonight.

JOE ROGAN: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

JEFF DYE: All right. Thanks for having me, brother.

JOE ROGAN: All right, here’s the music.

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