Transcript of This Past Weekend #688: w/ Candace Owens

People always like, dude, you ask them—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:03:39 – 00:03:40) it’s a lovely place, the internet.

THEO VON: (00:03:40 – 00:03:41) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:03:41 – 00:03:56) And I feel like I’m like, how are you doing this to me? I’m so pregnant right now. But I feel like if I lean into the pregnancy and I pretend to be more miserable and like I can’t do it, then people will have to be nice. So I’m going to try that for these next 3 weeks. Oh, a little bit more pathetic.

THEO VON: (00:03:56 – 00:04:16) Oh yeah, because you don’t do pathetic well. I know you don’t do it. You’re just still going and cruising. You forget that you’re pregnant, where some people kind of lead with the pregnancy. But yes, people are rude. Yeah, people are like, oh, that’s not even a baby, that’s a data center. Some people have said what, that she’s got—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:04:16 – 00:04:20) yeah, wait, I haven’t seen this part of the internet. Now you have to tell me.

THEO VON: (00:04:20 – 00:04:28) No, I saw somebody, it’s like, dude, she’s not even pregnant, she’s just building a data set. They’re building a data center in her womb or whatever, just like crazy people. What?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:04:28 – 00:04:36) Yeah. I actually feel like I go down every rabbit hole, but I have not gone down the rabbit hole where there are data centers in your womb.

THEO VON: (00:04:36 – 00:04:42) It’s new stuff, Candace. They’re doing new stuff. Look, that’s when we start to be out of touch. That’s when you’re like, oh, I can’t even—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:04:42 – 00:04:43) I can’t follow this.

THEO VON: (00:04:43 – 00:04:44) I’m out of touch.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:04:44 – 00:04:48) I know there are some conspiracies I have to say, and I love conspiracies, like every rabbit hole.

THEO VON: (00:04:48 – 00:04:48) Mm-hmm.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:04:48 – 00:04:56) I’m down there, but there are some where I’m just like, how did you get here? And that would probably be one where I’m like, what do you mean I’m carrying a data center in my womb?

THEO VON: (00:04:57 – 00:05:06) Yeah, it’s just a router for the government or people are like, she’s— yeah, she’s just— she’s like transporting data for Russia. People will say all kinds of stuff.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:05:06 – 00:05:08) She’s like, website, are you on?

THEO VON: (00:05:08 – 00:05:10) She’s a data mule or whatever. These aren’t even kids.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:05:10 – 00:05:19) It’s just like, it’s so crazy. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that one. I’ve seen people who say that I’m not pregnant and they’re not my kids and stuff like that.

Why Candace Keeps Her Kids Off the Internet

THEO VON: (00:05:19 – 00:05:19) Oh, really?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:05:19 – 00:05:47) I think that happens. I never post them. Everyone’s doing the thing where they post their kids and their kids are turned into a product and then they’re taking these impossible family pictures. Once you have a certain amount of kids, you can’t get like the nice, perfect family shot. And I think because I don’t give them enough of the personal life, it kind of makes them a bit fantastical.

So they sort of write the myth, the mythology of the kids. They don’t really know what they look like. They don’t know anything about my kids.

THEO VON: (00:05:47 – 00:05:49) So do you do that on purpose?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:05:49 – 00:06:35) Yeah, for sure. I mean, everybody— I’m not judging people’s style or whatever, but I personally just feel like that’s a big decision to make for your kid. And it’s actually— Skyler was showing me— was it you showing me the clip yesterday of like somebody— it was obviously a comedic sketch, but it was just like a kid walking around the mall with his parents and random strangers are like, “Happy 4th birthday,” and like saying their name and know all these random facts, “Hope you did good at the soccer game.” And the 4-year-old’s like looking up at them like, how do you know this information?

And that’s kind of my mentality where it’s just— it’s strangers knowing a lot about your children and being able to recognize them and know them. I feel like that’s a lot for us that we just— it’s not, I think, something that we want to do.

THEO VON: (00:06:35 – 00:06:40) It’s probably not healthy. Yeah, but that— I never said— I haven’t seen that bit. Can you— do you have it, Trevin? Do you see that?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:06:41 – 00:06:57) Yeah, it’s, it’s actually really interesting. And I was like, I couldn’t articulate how I felt about it, but when I saw the clip, I was, I was like, this is exactly how I feel about kids on the internet Oh yeah, that’s it. That was fast.

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Hi, Ava. Do you know that man?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (00:07:00 – 00:07:02) Where would she know him from?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (00:07:02 – 00:07:04) Happy birthday, Ava!

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (00:07:04 – 00:07:04) 8 already?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (00:07:05 – 00:07:13) Look like you’re at a ball with your friends. Ah, I see you’re back playing football Thursdays, Ava.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (00:07:14 – 00:07:20) Hope your dad picks you up on time for once. That’s great, right?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (00:07:20 – 00:07:25) Anytime you share their life online, you risk sharing their personal data with the world.

VIDEO CLIP ENDS:

THEO VON: (00:07:26 – 00:07:27) That is pretty true.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:07:27 – 00:08:01) That’s kind of how I feel about it. Yeah, it’s just kind of a lot of information and kids don’t understand it. My kids don’t even understand what I do. Yeah, and just now Georgie’s starting to like ask questions when people come up to me and ask for a picture, and he’s like, “How do you know that person?” And I just say, “Oh, this is a friend from school,” or, whatever, and don’t really address it because I don’t need to right now at his age.

But yeah, I kind of want to protect that for a little bit. The— and we don’t know how it’s going to end, especially when you see people whose kids are a part of the product, you know what I’m saying?

THEO VON: (00:08:01 – 00:08:02) And they get to the age and they’re part of the product.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:08:03 – 00:08:33) I’m sure in their minds they’re like, well, we’re making a living off of this, so it’s good for our kids, we’re making money. But I also do think about how is it shaping their minds. Do they become more attention-seeking? Are they already thinking, do I have likes? How many people like this? Am I reading the comments? Oh, you don’t know. So I don’t think we know the effects of how kids that are being raised on the internet— I was saying we pioneered it.

We did not have the internet, so we were lucky. Our parents had a beeper. And then we were—

THEO VON: (00:08:33 – 00:08:35) Yeah, when it went off, it meant your dad was using usually.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:08:36 – 00:08:47) And that was it. Actually, my dad was just working at the hospital. But, yeah, different strokes for different folks. Different folks. Yeah, Maggie had to get into the— get in for a shift.

THEO VON: (00:08:48 – 00:09:01) Yeah, yeah. I mean, different— yeah, different things. But for sure, yeah, I can’t even fathom, like— and how things are going to affect us. It’s like, man, it’s really scary to think of how some of these things are going to affect us. Yeah, we don’t know.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:09:01 – 00:09:20) Yeah. And I feel like the kids that have the most access to it, just looking at the Hollywood demonstration, I mean, those kids are not— they’re not looking their best. They don’t look tip-top. A lot of their kids are just going through a lot right now, and you feel bad. I mean, you feel really bad for because they grew up with a lot of attention. So I don’t think it’s good to replicate it and get kids on the internet.

Britney Spears, Lithium and the Conservatorship

THEO VON: (00:09:20 – 00:09:38) But I mean, it does almost start to seem like a disease in a way. I think for some of those people, even if you look at Britney Spears, she’s out here like she’s out there spinning with those knives and shit in front of her fireplace all the time. What’s going on? And everybody’s just like, “Oh, love your first album.” Like, what are you talking about? This lady’s not doing good.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:09:38 – 00:09:45) Oh no. Britney Spears, I feel so bad for because obviously I grew up with Britney Spears. You had to pick a side. Yeah, look at this.

THEO VON: (00:09:45 – 00:09:52) And we act, but this gets normal. Sorry to interrupt you, Candace, but this starts to get normal. Oh yeah, she just—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:09:52 – 00:09:53) who normalized that?

THEO VON: (00:09:53 – 00:10:08) She’s just going to julienne something in a few minutes, and so she’s just getting ready. She’s obviously got a new job as a sous chef or whatever, and the dogs are begging for help. There’s one video where somebody decodes the dogs, the shapes they’re making. They’re trying to make letters spelling out help in the background.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:10:09 – 00:11:39) Oh, I feel so bad for her because she is an example of what Like, she probably never needed to go into the conservatorship, and then she never really came out of it because they were forced drugging her. They were— you can’t come back from lithium. They— yeah, they burned— they burned her brain. It’s like melted her brain with lithium. It’s crazy what they did to her. And honestly, people should be in prison.

They should absolutely be in prison. And I feel like it’s a part of the broader story that a lot of artists were trying to tell, like from Michael Jackson to Kanye to Britney Spears. Some— Justin Bieber even was talking, what’s actually manifesting in Hollywood. And some of these people did not survive it. I mean, Michael Jackson didn’t survive it. I don’t think Britney Spears is ever going to be the Britney Spears that we grew up with, which is super sad because I— she— I think she was a sweet girl and she— they just used her.

I mean, the industry is— we’re now learning how disgusting Hollywood is. But I think Justin Bieber made it out, and I think Kanye made it out gratefully. But yeah, I think she went through a lot of dark stuff. And even that though, I wouldn’t even let my kids be in a commercial now that I’m an adult. Obviously when I was young, I’m like, this is so cool.

These are all these teeny bopper stars and NSYNC and Backstreet Boys or whatever it was. But now that we’re adults, I just can’t imagine giving my children to like The Mickey Mouse Club and letting them— it’s weird in retrospect. It’s weird. So you wonder who were the adults that were in charge? Because I was the same age as these people. It was normal. You guys were adults.

THEO VON: (00:11:40 – 00:11:45) Let’s, let’s look up this lithium thing really quick. Let me see. She testified that she was immediately placed on lithium.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:11:45 – 00:11:45) Lithium.

THEO VON: (00:11:46 – 00:12:02) In her June 2021 address to a Los Angeles court, Britney Spears stated she was immediately placed on lithium, a potent medication typically used for bipolar disorder or severe depression. She described the side effects as making her feel drunk and numb, stating that it impaired her ability to converse or stand up for herself.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:12:03 – 00:12:46) That’s kind of— she was on it for years. So you should— if you look into some of the scientific studies on what lithium does to your brain over that amount of time, that’s why I say it’s not something that you can just bounce back from. I would pray that she could, but that’s definitely what’s going on. She was drugged against her will. That’s so scary, the concept of being drugged against your will.

And then for a judge to say this can just keep happening permanently for— how many years was she in the conservatorship? And everyone’s like, it’s for the best. And when you actually reflect on what she was going through, she probably just needed to take a break. I don’t know, go to a secluded island where there’s no paparazzi, take some rest. She was basically begging people to leave her alone and nobody would.

THEO VON: (00:12:46 – 00:12:50) Under her legal conservatorship for 13 years and 9 months.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:12:50 – 00:12:54) God, 13 years of your life where you have to—

THEO VON: (00:12:54 – 00:12:58) but who was in charge of that? Well, was it a hodgepodge of people? Apparently.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:12:58 – 00:13:16) I think it was that woman who needs to be looked into for sure, who was working with Britney Spears’s father. Taylor is the name I’m thinking of because there’s a lot about that woman. She’s another Calvary Chapel— Lou Taylor.

THEO VON: (00:13:16 – 00:13:17) Lou Taylor.

Courtney Love, Publishing Rights and the Hollywood “Mafia”

CANDACE OWENS: (00:13:17 – 00:14:23) Lou Taylor. Yeah, I haven’t gotten too deep into the Lou Taylor conspiracies, but there’s definitely something there about— and it’s interesting because you know who I spoke to This is one of the craziest stories that came together, but basically Russell Brand introduced me via text to Courtney Love a few years ago, and she sent me all of this stuff. She was just— it was like a ton of messages, ton of messages.

And at the time, I didn’t know what she was speaking about, that like I— because I didn’t grow up in Hollywood. And she was basically explaining to me that there was sort of a mafia that when they want your publishing rights, they’ll go after you. They’d never want people to like have their own publishing rights. So that’s what Michael Jackson was fighting Sony. He wanted it, and he He was winning, by the way.

He was— he owned the Beatles catalog. So then what they do is they send out like mafia press hits against you. It’s kind of like what I’m going through right now, but it’s just kind of failing because we live in a different time. But they essentially will then try to present you as a drug addict, or— and then they’ll follow you and have hot like paparazzi everywhere you go.

And so maybe you’re just doing this and they’re like, Theo’s like in a crisis, he’s like pink eye or whatever.

THEO VON: (00:14:23 – 00:14:28) Yeah, he’s on a bender, like he’s been going down on strangers or whatever, right?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:14:28 – 00:14:37) Exactly, exactly. And so Imagine every single day, every— you can’t walk out of this room and there’s just people that are waiting there. And then these people basically have a mental breakdown.

THEO VON: (00:14:37 – 00:14:39) You start to go crazy. You start to go crazy.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:14:39 – 00:14:41) Kanye. Yeah. They keep calling you crazy, calling you crazy, calling you crazy.

THEO VON: (00:14:41 – 00:14:44) Do you think that whole thing is a design thing?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:14:44 – 00:14:58) Well, when she said it and she was talking about, she was like, you got to look into the Mormon Mafia. She’s like, Lou Taylor. And she said a bunch of stuff. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. I’m recapping a conversation. So the conversation itself is not allegedly. And she was like, but this is a publishing rights mafia. And they—

THEO VON: (00:14:58 – 00:15:00) I could see it. It’s ownership.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:15:00 – 00:15:16) She was talking to me about Kurt Cobain and And like, it’s all about ownership. She’s like, you are not allowed to own anything. No. So then when you start to examine these cases independently of Michael Jackson, Kanye West, I haven’t looked too much into Britney Spears, but I should, cuz you know me, I gotta go down every rabbit hole. Justin Bieber.

THEO VON: (00:15:16 – 00:15:18) Oh yeah. You’re the chocolate rabbit.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:15:18 – 00:15:20) Yeah. I’m the chocolate rabbit. I gotta go down every, every rabbit hole.

THEO VON: (00:15:20 – 00:15:22) I mean, you’ve gotta take—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:15:22 – 00:15:22) yeah. Yeah. I will eventually.

THEO VON: (00:15:23 – 00:15:24) You’ve given Easter a run for its money.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:15:24 – 00:15:25) Yeah. For real.

THEO VON: (00:15:25 – 00:15:27) You’re probably America’s most popular chocolate rabbit.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:15:27 – 00:15:54) I’m genuinely down every single rabbit hole. I can’t stop. Like when people gimme a tip and I’m like, I keep chasing, chasing. But yeah, Britney Spears and then Justin Bieber even recently where they were really hounding and trying to make us think he was having a mental break. What was he trying to do? Just get out of his contracts. Yeah, he just wanted to go back to being the kid on YouTube with his— and that’s what he’s doing now.

And it’s so cool that he’s just— all I need is my guitar and my voice. I don’t— he sold his whole catalog. He just wanted out.

THEO VON: (00:15:55 – 00:15:55) Wow.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:15:55 – 00:15:55) So it’s cool.

THEO VON: (00:15:56 – 00:16:18) Yeah, that is— that is an interesting rabbit hole because it is I think people don’t realize sometimes, and I believe that it is this mafia in Hollywood. It’s like the publicists. It’s all this like this kind of teeter-totter where they’re just like, one is like, you do this and then we’ll do that. And then it’s all this system, right? It’s all this. It’s like a huge piece of racketeering going on.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:16:18 – 00:16:32) It is. And it’s also book publishing rights and podcasts. Now it’s obviously a new space or whatever, but they’re constantly like worried about who’s going to actually own this catalog when you’re gone, because once they own it, they also can delete it, they can edit it. There’s so many things that they can do with your music.

THEO VON: (00:16:32 – 00:16:54) Well, music being used to influence things too. That’s another thing. It’s just like, okay, well then we have these influential tools to be able to kind of put them into the masses in certain ways at certain times. I was— yeah, because Britney, I mean, it’s just like, I mean, they turned her into damn Donatello out there, the frickin Ninja Turtle. I mean, she’s out here every other week, she has a different weapon, she’s spinning around.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:16:54 – 00:16:57) Yeah, it’s sad. It’s so sad when you—

THEO VON: (00:16:57 – 00:17:00) if you go back and watch her, she’s like a damn Slap Chop over there.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:17:00 – 00:17:01) No, it’s crazy.

THEO VON: (00:17:01 – 00:17:02) Yeah, they turned her into a damn Smeg blender or whatever. You know what?

Wendy Williams, Debanking and Social Credit Scores

CANDACE OWENS: (00:17:04 – 00:17:24) And the whole thing was like, we had to do this to protect her. We had to put her in a conservatorship because she was spending her money. It’s her money. Genuinely, if you make $10 million and you want to irresponsibly spend it all, that’s actually kind of your right. You don’t need to put somebody in a conservatorship to— you have a right to go broke. Is anybody put in a conservatorship when they lose all their money in Vegas?

THEO VON: (00:17:24 – 00:17:25) Or if you get— yeah, that’s a good point.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:17:25 – 00:17:45) It’s your money. You earned it. You have a right to lose it. It’s like, what are you talking about? Judge decides you’re not responsible enough. Same thing with Wendy Williams. I don’t know what’s going on with that, but she’s been— somebody took her bank. It was kind of scary. I was like, we need to go back to a cash society because can you imagine your bank calling and being like, your money is mine? Because that’s what happened to Wendy Williams.

THEO VON: (00:17:46 – 00:17:48) Well, that’s what happened to Kanye too, wasn’t it? Didn’t his bank freeze?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:17:48 – 00:17:49) He got debanked.

THEO VON: (00:17:49 – 00:17:51) He got debanked. How do you even get that?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:17:51 – 00:18:08) They just send you a letter and they’re like, “Sorry, we don’t like your views.” That made me go local. I did. I saw what happened. It was wild. How are you sending letters just like, “Hey, Theo, I saw episode 279 and we’re debanking you.”

THEO VON: (00:18:08 – 00:18:08) Yeah, yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:18:08 – 00:18:10) I’m like, the banks have got too much power.

THEO VON: (00:18:10 – 00:18:12) Yeah, man. You lost your ATM privileges for this week.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:18:12 – 00:18:15) That’s how it’ll be for this past weekend.

THEO VON: (00:18:15 – 00:18:18) Yeah, yeah. For this past weekend, you’re cooked.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:18:18 – 00:18:56) So when I started seeing that, I was like, okay, so we pulled out of the big banks and sort of my local— going local for everything is better. I 10 out of 10 would recommend everyone goes local for their food, for their banking, knowing who these people are as human beings. I think really matters. And we— who was it that got debanked? And it kind of sent a chill up our spine and we were like, let’s just leave them before they leave us because I’m not considered to be uncontroversial.

So if we’re heading in that direction, that’s just China though. Credit score system. I feel like that’s where we’re treading. If you debank someone based on an opinion or a belief, that’s effectively a credit score system.

THEO VON: (00:18:57 – 00:18:58) So like a, like almost a social credit score.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:18:58 – 00:18:58) Social credit score.

THEO VON: (00:18:59 – 00:19:02) Yeah. That’s like that Black Mirror episode that was— do you remember that one? That was so good.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:19:03 – 00:19:14) Black Mirror freaked me out. Really? I think it’s why I’m so paranoid about a lot of this stuff, even what we’re talking about with kids on technology, because I watched every episode of Black Mirror.

THEO VON: (00:19:14 – 00:19:21) And Black people even got pissed about it too, remember? They’re like, oh, a mirror’s fine, but it’s a Black mirror and shit’s all fucked up. You know?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:19:21 – 00:19:22) I didn’t even remember that.

THEO VON: (00:19:22 – 00:19:30) There was a lot of people online like that. Oh, everything’s fine with a regular mirror, but people pull up with a Black mirror and now shit’s gone bad.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:19:30 – 00:19:32) Yeah, I think they just meant the screens are Black.

THEO VON: (00:19:32 – 00:19:33) I know, I know. That’s hilarious. I’m sure that’s true.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:19:34 – 00:19:41) That, because I feel like that kind of came out when there was a lot of that going on. People were looking to be offended. But that was— that episode was scary.

THEO VON: (00:19:41 – 00:19:57) Oh, the best. And she had to like be nice to somebody and then this, and then her score was down, and then that’s how she felt about herself. That’s the scariest part, is when the score goes down. Yeah. Black Mirror becomes reality with China’s social scoring. What’s the episode called? Can you give me that? Nosedive, it’s called.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:19:58 – 00:19:58) Yes.

THEO VON: (00:19:58 – 00:20:00) Black Mirror Wikipedia. That was so good.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:20:01 – 00:20:02) Are we far from that though?

THEO VON: (00:20:02 – 00:20:06) I think we’re— I think we literally in it and we just don’t know.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:20:06 – 00:20:43) We are obviously in it. That’s what I think, 1,000%. And that’s— they— that’s when you see these like mobs descend. And that’s what cancel culture is all about. That’s actually trying to develop a social credit score. You can’t perform in this arena because you said this. You can’t do this, you can’t do that, you can’t partake in society because we disagree with you. And then it gets even scarier because at least she had minor offenses in the episode, if I remember correctly.

Like it could be anything, who you were hanging out with. But now it’s even scarier because you can get canceled for doing the right thing. Like they can dip your credit score for doing— social credit score for doing the right thing.

THEO VON: (00:20:43 – 00:20:47) Like speaking up about something. Like if somebody speaks up about Gaza, right?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:20:47 – 00:20:50) And then suddenly you can’t play the stadium like we just saw last week.

THEO VON: (00:20:51 – 00:20:51) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:20:51 – 00:21:02) So think about that, where it’s basically saying you have to be a bad person to partake in society. And I think that’s what we’ve been going through kind of for like the last 3 years. Yeah, I mean, at least I have.

Finding New Systems and the “Breakup Basil”

THEO VON: (00:21:02 – 00:21:46) I don’t know if that’s a personal story, but well, and we can get into some of it. I mean, and it— what do you— it’s tricky. And so you have to think like, well, one is like, yeah, I think I’ve even mentioned this to you before. It’s like, like you have to start to find new ways to put your money certain places. That’s the only thing to affect change.

It’s like, where do you— where do you put your money, right? Because it’s like we have to find like almost new systems of of of everything, right? You have to find like a whole new way, like a whole new place to put your money. Because as long as they like kind of these larger bodies, these bigger entities, BlackRock, these bigger things own everything, you just— and we keep having to pay them for everything?

It’s almost like you have to create this new capitalism or go back to like a smaller structure or something?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:21:46 – 00:21:53) I don’t know, like when you’re just trading with your neighbors. Yeah, yeah. I should have brought you over some lettuce today or some tomatoes. Yeah, we could just trade it.

THEO VON: (00:21:54 – 00:22:09) Oh yeah, I could trade you. Yeah, I think I have some fresh I think I have some fresh basil or something, something that a woman gave me when she left me or whatever. But I do have yeah, I think I have some basil I could trade you for that data center you’ve got in there.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:09 – 00:22:12) Can I just prod? A woman left you some basil? Can I just—

THEO VON: (00:22:12 – 00:22:18) just like a little— I wish things had worked out— a little plant pot with a little basil in it, a little thing like that.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:18 – 00:22:20) Like a breakup basil?

THEO VON: (00:22:20 – 00:22:20) Breakup basil.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:22 – 00:22:24) That’s fantastic, dude.

THEO VON: (00:22:24 – 00:22:25) That’s a great idea.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:25 – 00:22:31) That’s, that’s fantastic. I love this girl. Actually, I think I met this girl.

THEO VON: (00:22:31 – 00:22:32) Breakup Basil.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:32 – 00:22:33) Did I meet her?

THEO VON: (00:22:33 – 00:22:35) Oh no, you didn’t. That was just a friend.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:35 – 00:22:35) Okay.

THEO VON: (00:22:35 – 00:22:37) Yeah, that came to the, uh—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:37 – 00:22:38) yeah, that’s okay.

THEO VON: (00:22:38 – 00:22:39) Where’d we go to though?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:39 – 00:22:40) The farmer’s market.

THEO VON: (00:22:40 – 00:22:41) Farmer’s market.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:41 – 00:22:42) And she was looking for, uh—

THEO VON: (00:22:42 – 00:22:53) she was looking for something. She wasn’t looking for me, I know that. I walked around with her for about 2 hours and And they didn’t get a sense of that. No, but that was just my friend. That was someone I was trying to see if it could be like a coworker.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:22:54 – 00:22:56) Yeah. I like Breakup Basil. That’s sweet.

THEO VON: (00:22:56 – 00:25:36) That Breakup Basil. Bye. It’s an oregano for me. Oregano for me, dog.

Family Life and Candace’s Kids

THEO VON: (00:25:38 – 00:26:01) Yeah, the antithesis to some of this, all of this stuff, I think is like having a family, right? Having something that means something to you. I think that’s like the— because we’ve always operated under like— the world has always operated under dark systems, right? It always has, right?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:26:01 – 00:26:02) Yeah.

THEO VON: (00:26:02 – 00:26:05) Yeah. And so that’s— yeah, I mean, I love seeing your kids. Your kids are freaking hilarious.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:26:05 – 00:26:06) They love you.

THEO VON: (00:26:06 – 00:26:07) They are.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:26:07 – 00:26:11) They all love you. You walk through the door, they just light up. They just—

THEO VON: (00:26:11 – 00:26:12) dude, I freaking light up.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:26:12 – 00:26:15) Yeah, you have to have kids because you’re just meant to be a dad.

THEO VON: (00:26:15 – 00:26:18) They are awesome. Well, thank you. Just like, they’re so funny.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:26:18 – 00:26:19) They’re very funny.

THEO VON: (00:26:19 – 00:26:21) They’re very entertaining. They’re smart.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:26:22 – 00:26:25) They’re very confident, our kids. So they’ll just kind of go right up to you and speak to you.

THEO VON: (00:26:25 – 00:26:27) Oh, that’s a good point.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:26:27 – 00:26:40) And I think that is partially because we abstain from the technology and you just need to go actually communicate and speak. And oh yeah, obviously I’m not one that’s ever at a loss for words, so I’m over-communicative with them about everything. But they are very funny.

THEO VON: (00:26:40 – 00:26:42) They’re very funny.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:26:42 – 00:26:43) Yeah, they just adore you.

THEO VON: (00:26:43 – 00:26:54) Oh, that’s cool. Yeah, I’ll tell other people. They’re like, oh yeah, Candace? I was like, dude, she has the best kids. And they’re like, dude, why are you talking about this lady’s kids, bro? Chill. And like, they’re my friends, okay?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:26:55 – 00:27:03) In your defense, they are your friends. They absolutely love you so much. You play with that. I mean, that’s why I was like, you have to be a dad, because you’re just— you just—

THEO VON: (00:27:03 – 00:27:04) they’re fun.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:27:04 – 00:27:07) The vibes are just there. You’re just meant to be a dad. You gotta have A lot of kids.

THEO VON: (00:27:07 – 00:27:08) I know.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:27:08 – 00:27:12) You’d be great with boys too, because I have so many boys and the energy of boys is just on another level.

THEO VON: (00:27:12 – 00:27:14) I gotta get a batch going.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:27:14 – 00:27:14) Yeah.

THEO VON: (00:27:14 – 00:27:18) Something’s going to happen. I can feel it. It’s in the— I can feel it in the air.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:27:18 – 00:27:22) Just gotta keep walking. I get people that hit me up the whole time on Instagram, like trying to slide into your DMs.

THEO VON: (00:27:22 – 00:27:23) Really?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:27:23 – 00:27:24) Yeah, it’s crazy.

THEO VON: (00:27:24 – 00:27:25) Well, shoot the slides up.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:27:25 – 00:27:30) No, there’s a lot of people that are trying to date you all over the internet. They— girls love you.

THEO VON: (00:27:30 – 00:27:31) What the heck?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:27:31 – 00:27:31) Yes.

THEO VON: (00:27:31 – 00:27:32) Where are they?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:27:32 – 00:27:40) There’s a lot of them. I get like text messages. I get Instagram stuff. They are just all about you right now. You’re in your prime. You got to go out there.

THEO VON: (00:27:40 – 00:27:41) I got to get out there.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:27:41 – 00:27:43) Yeah, you got to find your— you got to get out there. Shit.

THEO VON: (00:27:43 – 00:28:03) I was going to take a nap later. I’m not now. I’m fucking getting on my bike. I’m going to freaking bike around town a little bit. I just got a new 8-speed. Yeah, it was supposed to be a 10-speed, but it’s from China that they— so it’s like, fuck, you lose 2 speeds in the mail or whatever. It’s just like that’s where, these Trump tariffs or whatever. It’s like you don’t even get all 10 speeds.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:28:03 – 00:28:05) We can’t get get anything in this economy right now.

THEO VON: (00:28:06 – 00:28:18) Yeah, your kids are funny though, dude. Yeah. And I’m all— I’ll— like, what did one of my buddies say? I was like, oh yeah, she’s got the best kids. And they’re like, oh, do they ever play like “Pin the tail on whoever killed Charlie Kirk?”

CANDACE OWENS: (00:28:18 – 00:28:23) They’re naturally exploring things, investigative. Yeah, yeah.

THEO VON: (00:28:23 – 00:28:29) They’re just walking around with like a little magnifying glass? Let me see your fingerprints.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:28:29 – 00:28:49) It’s what it is interesting to see which qualities the kids get. You just never know what you’re going to get. I don’t know, it’s just, that’s the interesting thing about kids is the same 2 humans can just create a different kid. You just would expect it’s just going to be, you’re dropping the same kid over and over, but they’re just all so different. Is it really? That’s what’s fascinating.

THEO VON: (00:28:49 – 00:28:51) When do you start to notice like what the difference is?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:28:51 – 00:28:53) Right away, in the womb.

THEO VON: (00:28:53 – 00:28:54) Really?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:28:54 – 00:28:57) This one coming, crazy. Nuh-uh. He’s outta control.

THEO VON: (00:28:57 – 00:28:57) Oh my God.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:28:57 – 00:28:59) He’s outta control, yeah.

THEO VON: (00:28:59 – 00:29:07) What is it? And are you noticing something? Is it ’cause like you’re eating, like have you been having like a special sauce or something? Are you doing certain condiments or something that could be flaring him up?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:29:07 – 00:29:26) No, he just— they are who they are in the womb. And I’ve been right about all their personalities. Louise, we could not get a picture of. She was sleeping throughout the whole thing. She kind of runs the place. She’s tricky. She knows what’s going on. And then her brothers are all different. Maxie was the chillest in the womb.

THEO VON: (00:29:26 – 00:29:28) He’s pretty gentle, kind of in a weird way.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:29:28 – 00:29:33) Yeah, he’s like sweet. He’s so sweet. And he’s like, he’s my sweet kid. He was sweet in the womb.

THEO VON: (00:29:33 – 00:29:39) He’ll be excited if you’re going to throw him on the couch, but he also wants to do it gently. Very softly and kind of like make sure it’s going to be in a comfortable manner.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:29:40 – 00:29:42) Yes, exactly. That’s exactly Maxie.

THEO VON: (00:29:42 – 00:29:43) It’s pretty cool.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:29:43 – 00:29:59) Unless Georgie. And they all want to be like Georgie. Georgie’s just the natural leader of the kids and he loves rules. I mean, every single one of my appointments in the ultrasound, they’d be like, look up. He’d be like, man, this person really loves— this little guy really loves a rule.

THEO VON: (00:29:59 – 00:30:01) Oh wait, he could hear them in the ultrasound?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:30:01 – 00:30:34) No, but it felt like it because he was just— because they’re trying to get certain shots during an ultrasound. So they want to check like their spine, heart, And sometimes you just can’t get a picture. Like Louise, forget it. She just was not here for it. She never let them do anything. She’s in her own world. But Georgie was just on the money. He hit every single mark in terms of, here’s the range.

He is perfect, perfect, perfect for height, length, width, whatever. And that’s how he is. Georgie is just the— it’s all about the rules. You tell him a rule, it will be followed. So you gotta be careful if you tell him a rule, because then if you catch yourself outside of the bounds of the rule, rules.

THEO VON: (00:30:34 – 00:30:35) The rules come back.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:30:35 – 00:30:53) The rules come back. I mean, rules aren’t even rules. He’ll tell me his dad’s gone for 2 days and he’ll just be like, “Daddy doesn’t like when that lamp’s on.” I’m a grown woman. I could turn this lamp on when your dad’s not here. Dad doesn’t like this. Yeah. So he says— I always say he’s George’s mini. It’s really sweet.

What’s Theo’s Type?

THEO VON: (00:30:54 – 00:30:54) Oh, it’s cute.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:30:54 – 00:31:00) That’s what’s fun. So you gotta get yourself a litter. I can find you a girl. What’s your type? I feel like I know your type?

THEO VON: (00:31:00 – 00:31:18) I can get a freak. I think I can get a— it’s just been like a little bit tricky because now you have exposure. I don’t know. I don’t try to date like fancy girls really. Like, what’s my type? Let me think. I don’t know. I mean, a woman for sure, and good woman.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:31:19 – 00:31:20) Glad you clarified that.

THEO VON: (00:31:21 – 00:31:24) Kind eyes. Has to be able to be a good mom. That’s going to be— that’s pretty paramount.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:31:26 – 00:31:30) Okay, when you say kind eyes, give me an example of someone who has not kind eyes.

THEO VON: (00:31:31 – 00:31:34) Hmm, well, we both know what example I’m going to use.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:31:34 – 00:31:35) I wasn’t setting that up.

THEO VON: (00:31:37 – 00:31:40) I mean, we both know.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:31:40 – 00:31:42) She who must not be named.

THEO VON: (00:31:43 – 00:31:54) She who must not be named. She’s a Halloween costume of a woman.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:31:55 – 00:32:10) Yeah, it’s so funny because I wasn’t going in that direction, and as soon as it came out, it’s like, that’s so crazy. Maybe I should have— the fact that the whole world knows what we’re talking about, who cannot be named.

It’s Halloween Every Day

THEO VON: (00:32:10 – 00:32:17) Well, people, everybody’s fucked. Everything’s insane, dude. The world has gone insane, and it’s a perfect time for Halloween.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:32:18 – 00:32:21) It is, it is, because if we’re already living doing it.

THEO VON: (00:32:21 – 00:32:25) People are like, what do you mean it’s Halloween? It’s fucking Halloween every day.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:32:25 – 00:32:31) Every day. Every single day you’re going, what is going on? I just want some director to yell cut.

THEO VON: (00:32:31 – 00:32:32) I know.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:32:32 – 00:32:38) I hope we are living in a matrix and the director can just like yell cut. Yeah.

THEO VON: (00:32:38 – 00:32:44) And then they just give you— and it all shuts down? Your wife’s like, all right, I gotta get— I’m out.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:32:44 – 00:32:45) Yeah.

THEO VON: (00:32:45 – 00:32:50) She’s like, gotta be home in 10 minutes. You’re like, where’s your Like, it all shuts down like Truman Show. It just—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:32:50 – 00:33:23) yeah, that’d be kind of nice. I’d be okay with it if they were just kidding the whole last year. We’re just running this experiment, we’re just evil billionaires and we’re running experiment. Everything’s chill. Because the other alternative is terrifying if this is all real. And you know what it is? We’re just kind of getting to a point now where we know they’re lying, you know what I’m saying?

And they’re still doing it. So we just go, where is this going to go? We know you’re full of it. We know you’re lying. It’s— you can’t gaslight to this extreme and the whole world is aware of it and not have something happen. Yes.

THEO VON: (00:33:23 – 00:33:24) But what is it going to be?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:33:24 – 00:33:25) We’re at some inflection point, right?

Netanyahu, Gaza and the “White Walkers”

THEO VON: (00:33:27 – 00:33:35) Well, Netanyahu’s up there yesterday, he’s talking about Hasan Piker, he’s talking about like people on the internet, like you’re on the— like, it just— yeah, it’s all become—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:33:35 – 00:33:37) dude, you just, you just committed genocide in broad daylight.

THEO VON: (00:33:37 – 00:33:38) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:33:38 – 00:33:46) And now you’re at the White House like lecturing us about what’s right and what’s wrong and what laws need past. This is wild. This is a wild update right now.

THEO VON: (00:33:46 – 00:33:47) It’s a wild update.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:33:47 – 00:33:54) It’s a wild update. And they’re like, “Macklemore, get out of the stadium. Bibi, come to the White House.”

THEO VON: (00:33:54 – 00:33:59) Come to the White House. This is like Mordor 1712, the update or something.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:33:59 – 00:34:00) It’s a crazy update.

THEO VON: (00:34:00 – 00:34:01) It is.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:34:01 – 00:34:06) Maybe that’s what it is. It’s just like an iOS update right now. I think you’re right. And there’s some bugs that need to be fixed. Yeah.

THEO VON: (00:34:06 – 00:34:15) Netanyahu’s running around his own Starlink. This is the Starlink. The children dead.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:34:15 – 00:34:15) I have—

THEO VON: (00:34:16 – 00:34:21) he can’t even smile. That’s the scariest thing about that guy, the way he lies.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:34:21 – 00:34:24) And he— I don’t— he can’t be human. I don’t think he’s a human.

THEO VON: (00:34:24 – 00:34:35) I don’t think he is either. If he is a human, I think that’s the saddest thing about him, is that human people are like, how could something like this happen? One of us be like this?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:34:35 – 00:34:35) Yeah.

THEO VON: (00:34:36 – 00:34:38) But then, so he must not be. He must be some aberration.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:34:38 – 00:35:28) Or maybe— ’cause I never looked into it, but I could believe automatically the reptile thing. ‘Cause I just like, that must be a reptile. That’s just a snake of some description that, I don’t know, is wearing a costume. Because there’s no way you can be this person. But what’s scarier than him, ’cause we can just accept he’s evil and insane and deranged and has never been told no in his life, but then it’s the people that we kind of thought were human who then just rally around him.

People that we worked with, our colleagues, maybe podcasts we listened to. And we just, maybe in the back of our mind, we’re like, okay, Okay, obviously, if push comes to shove, this person— despite our disagreements, if a whole genocide happens or a Holocaust happens, this person’s obviously going to be on the good side. And then you’re going, oh no, wait, what’s happening? Now I have to realize that there’s all these other people who are trying to convince me this is okay. And then you go, how long have these people been walking amongst us?

THEO VON: (00:35:29 – 00:35:29) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:35:29 – 00:35:44) These are like the White Walkers in Game of Thrones. Like there was something we didn’t even know. They’re being transformed. They’re just like, now they’re all like, like marching, and it’s a terrible season finale because even Game of Thrones didn’t know what to do. Yeah, they hit the inflection point.

THEO VON: (00:35:44 – 00:35:48) Yeah, they really did. They just peaced out like, oh shit, we kind of started this, don’t even know how to end it.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:35:48 – 00:35:50) It’s a terrible ending.

THEO VON: (00:35:50 – 00:35:58) Yeah, yeah, dude. But I— it is at this point where it’s like, now the White Walkers are walking and they’ve just been walking for so long, when do we stop walking? What do we even do?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:35:58 – 00:36:02) 7 seasons of us walking. I know, and we know it’s bad and it’s dreadful, but they didn’t really know how to end it.

COVID: The Group Project We Failed

THEO VON: (00:36:02 – 00:36:31) So I think that’s what— yeah, that’s what’s going on here. It’s just like, I think they don’t know how this plays out. Yeah, I don’t know how it plays out unless they put everybody under like severe control very fast. I think that’s probably what they would be thinking, I would bet. If you start to let everybody know what’s going on, like with the data centers, you mean?

Yeah, either the cameras or whatever. But you have to be able to just control everybody really quick, then, because once people, COVID was the test for that, I think. Oh yeah, and we failed it.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:36:31 – 00:36:32) I didn’t.

THEO VON: (00:36:32 – 00:36:33) I didn’t either, but we did as a group.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:36:34 – 00:36:36) Yeah, as a— yeah, as humanity, as a group.

THEO VON: (00:36:36 – 00:36:38) I did not fail. I didn’t.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:36:38 – 00:36:43) I got a group project though. Was it a group project or was it an individual project? We should talk about that.

THEO VON: (00:36:43 – 00:36:44) That’s a good question.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:36:44 – 00:36:49) That’s important to reflect upon. Was COVID a group project? Yes. And we did fail the assignment. You’re right.

THEO VON: (00:36:49 – 00:36:50) As a group, we did.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:36:51 – 00:36:57) But I was the person in the group that got it. Was like, guys, right, carrying the group, right? Instantly.

THEO VON: (00:36:57 – 00:36:57) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:36:58 – 00:37:03) They said I was crazy, that I was going to get Grandma killed. Yeah, Grandma’s going to die.

THEO VON: (00:37:03 – 00:37:20) You’re like— and meanwhile, they have to like— we have to visit their grandmother. They have to visit her in a field from like 200 yards away. They’re like using a megaphone and shit. They’re like, we love you. And she’s like, my legs are itching, or whatever. They can’t even fucking hear each other.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:37:20 – 00:37:20) Terrible.

THEO VON: (00:37:20 – 00:37:25) She’s getting bit up by chiggers and stuff in a field because she’s like, that’s where they have to have her, or whatever.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:37:25 – 00:37:28) And they let Grandma die alone. I mean, the whole thing was crazy.

THEO VON: (00:37:29 – 00:37:37) Zoom funerals. People were on Zoom funerals. Dude, my buddy clicked Zoom funerals. Shout out to anybody who was on a Zoom funeral.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:37:37 – 00:37:43) Hold on, can we just have a moment of silence for the people that went to a Zoom funeral? Because that is just—

THEO VON: (00:37:43 – 00:37:44) yeah, yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:37:45 – 00:37:49) No, I can’t believe I forgot about this. I attended a Zoom wedding.

THEO VON: (00:37:49 – 00:37:49) Did you?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:37:50 – 00:38:17) Yes, it was my sister’s wedding. I forgot. It’s such a trauma has just been unlocked. I’m about to start crying. I forgot about this. Yes, my sister, she had to— she had to have a Zoom wedding. It’s crazy. Wow. Yeah, because they just said she couldn’t. Yeah, that was it. And so they wanted to get married, they already had plans to get married, so they just had someone record it and we just all hopped on Zoom. That’s not right.

THEO VON: (00:38:19 – 00:38:46) No, it’s horrible, dude. Well, dude, I went to a Zoom funeral and it was a Black funeral too, dude, and it was like everybody started beefing because everyone wanted to play their own music at their own house for the funeral or whatever. So some people were playing like, like Boyz II Men, can we go back? And some people were playing like, what you twerking with? So it was just people had— and so like people started like music beefing at this. It was like an urban Zoom funeral.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:38:47 – 00:38:47) Oh my gosh.

THEO VON: (00:38:47 – 00:38:55) And then the guy’s up there and he didn’t even have— he forgot to turn the speaker on and shit. You’re like, what is even— it’s like Grandma’s going home and we can’t even fucking—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:38:55 – 00:39:05) this is terrible. I forgot. I forgot we all lived through this. We all have unlocked trauma from COVID We got to— Dr. Fauci needs to go to prison. I mean, this is crazy now that we’re all here and realizing.

THEO VON: (00:39:05 – 00:39:10) And he’s not. He’s coming out with a new pasta sauce. Somebody said, is he coming out with a pasta sauce? Of course.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:39:10 – 00:39:16) Can you look that up? Is it Fauci with the sauce? For real? Can somebody tell me, is it Fauci with the sauce?

THEO VON: (00:39:16 – 00:39:18) Yeah, I think he has a new pasta sauce.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:39:18 – 00:39:20) Is it called I Plead the Fifth?

THEO VON: (00:39:20 – 00:39:21) It’s called Co-Vodka.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:39:22 – 00:39:23) No one’s even going to know what that is. It is.

THEO VON: (00:39:23 – 00:39:26) It’s a new Italian. It’s a Co-Vodka sauce.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:39:26 – 00:39:28) No, it’s not.

THEO VON: (00:39:29 – 00:39:36) If you liked COVID, you’ll love Co-Vodka. And it has a booster in it. It has also a booster in it.

Argentine Beef and Supporting American Farmers

CANDACE OWENS: (00:39:36 – 00:39:59) Booster. That’s that. They were discussing that. They’re like, people are vaccine hesitant, so we’re just going to start putting it in the vegetables and it’ll naturally just like, we’re just going to give it to you in lettuce. Yeah. I also don’t like, and I haven’t looked into it, but, I’m a vibe person. That whole, the entire announcement that Trump made about we’re going to get beef from Argentina. I was like, nope. Yeah, nope. Stamp the beef with Argentina.

THEO VON: (00:39:59 – 00:40:11) I’m not buying it because that’s something like, why do you need immediate beef from someplace? That where the like rulings of how they can process it and stuff are probably different, probably safer, even though—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:40:11 – 00:40:34) no, buy from American farmers. It’s the one thing that people can do. Is it a little more expensive? Yes, it is. And I get that that’s hard, but you know, you and I always talk offline about like what are the little changes that we can encourage people to make, and that’s a huge one. Like getting to know who your farmers are and doing whatever you can to support them and trying to avoid— but definitively I can tell you whatever is going on with that Argentina beef beef. Something’s not right.

THEO VON: (00:40:34 – 00:40:35) Oh, that—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:40:35 – 00:40:39) I think they’re going to give us more parasites or something. Something is not right with that beef there.

THEO VON: (00:40:40 – 00:40:45) I think they could have been launching some— something new into the community because that Tina beef be hitting, cut.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:40:46 – 00:40:59) I mean, I’m— the Tina beef is going to have parasites. That’s my assumption. Tina beef is going to have parasites because I think we’re waking up too fast and they gotta just get parasites in our stomach as fast as possible. I know, or something.

THEO VON: (00:40:59 – 00:41:00) It’s going to be a long Halloween.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:41:00 – 00:41:03) It was random, such a random announcements. Here’s what I’m doing.

THEO VON: (00:41:03 – 00:41:08) We got 3.1 million tons of Argentina.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:41:08 – 00:41:09) It’s going to be cheaper.

THEO VON: (00:41:09 – 00:41:10) Yeah, it’s going to be cheaper.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:41:11 – 00:41:15) I was like, you know what, I’m happy to spend a little more money on my beef, actually. Yeah, I want American beef.

THEO VON: (00:41:15 – 00:41:26) Yeah, I’ll just fast. Yeah, you know what I’m saying? I’ll do something. But yeah, when you think— when you kind of step outside and look at it, you’re like, yes, something’s wrong here. This isn’t— yeah, what’s wrong here?

Trump 2.0 and the Epstein Files

CANDACE OWENS: (00:41:26 – 00:41:34) Just woke up on a random Tuesday and just decided Argentina beef I was, nah, I’m okay. And it’s such a reverse in everything that he was doing during the first term.

THEO VON: (00:41:34 – 00:41:44) Yeah. What do you think happened there? What do you think really happened? Do you think that he was a— well, there was always alleged that he had a past that was definitely splotchy, right?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:41:44 – 00:41:45) Splotchy.

THEO VON: (00:41:45 – 00:41:46) But that’s every American, right?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:41:46 – 00:41:47) Absolutely. It was splotchy.

THEO VON: (00:41:47 – 00:41:48) That’s every American, right?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:41:49 – 00:41:52) And there was something even almost relatable about that, right?

THEO VON: (00:41:52 – 00:42:16) Then people thought he was going to be— there was going to be a possibility there, right? Oh, this is— yeah, this is a guy who was on a TV show who, he’s at least in this realm, in this rich realm, right? He’s always been looked at as kind of a loser in that realm, maybe by those people, unless it’s financially based. He’s always kind of— it seemed like he’d always been kind of made fun of as an adult. Do you think so?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:42:16 – 00:42:39) Yeah, I mean, I think we all just thought he was going to Like, yeah, what did we think? Blue collar, he spoke like a regular person. And I think we thought that he was going to sort of enact common sense policies. Definitely, definitely was going to be anti-war. Yeah. And then 2.0 just hit different. I think what happened was the Epstein files.

THEO VON: (00:42:40 – 00:42:40) Really?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:42:40 – 00:42:50) Yeah. I mean, look, he took $300 million from Miriam Adelson. At least now we know how much it costs to buy a presidency. ‘Cause we can all aspire to that. If we’ve got $300 million sitting in the bank, we can just buy a presidency.

THEO VON: (00:42:50 – 00:42:51) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:42:51 – 00:43:12) Right? And beyond that, I think the Epstein files are problematic. I mean, when Pam Bondi said that if they release all the files, she said something along the lines of, if they release all the files, it would crush the global economy. That’s a pretty strong statement. And I want to make sure I get that right. So you can look that up.

THEO VON: (00:43:12 – 00:43:17) “Pam Bondi says that if we prosecute everyone in the Epstein files, the whole system will collapse.” Epps. Fuck.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:43:17 – 00:43:27) And by the way, that’s so close that I feel like that’s kind of what we want. So that seems aspirational, but you have to wonder what’s in there. And I think we don’t really need to wonder. We know what’s in there.

THEO VON: (00:43:27 – 00:43:27) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:43:27 – 00:43:41) So it’s just global trafficking elites, everyone blackmailed, every politician blackmailed all over the world. The kid stuff is a component of it, weapons trafficking, everything crazy. That’s what’s in the Epstein—

THEO VON: (00:43:41 – 00:43:43) it’s like this Pandora’s box.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:43:43 – 00:44:34) And The Truman Show people, the White Walkers as well, like who they’re just MKUltra-ing and are just in these positions. I mean, that was kind of the wildest part of the Brigitte lawsuit was I said one flyaway comment of Brigitte Macron was born at the beginning of— on the date that MKUltra became became a program, and they mentioned it like 12 times in the lawsuit. I was like, this is a weird sensitivity.

Why are you so sensitive about someone mentioning MKUltra? And I do think that a lot of these people are hypnotized and they’re traumatized from their youth, and they are literal White Walkers among us. And then they’re kind of put into these positions of power, not based on a meritocracy, just like you’ve gone through their program or whatever, the Epstein program, so to speak. And yeah.

THEO VON: (00:44:35 – 00:44:39) Do you think they go through the program without even knowing it, and then they realize, oh, this is where I am?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:44:39 – 00:44:45) I think they’re— no, I think they’re farming children legit, like trafficking children. Sending them to certain schools.

THEO VON: (00:44:45 – 00:44:47) I hope they’re farming them locally. That’s all I hope.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:44:47 – 00:44:49) Yeah, at least I hope it’s just not from Argentina.

THEO VON: (00:44:49 – 00:44:50) I hope it’s not.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:44:50 – 00:44:51) But no, I—

THEO VON: (00:44:51 – 00:44:52) yeah, it’s—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:44:53 – 00:45:21) but that’s— I think that’s what’s going on. And so that’s what we were looking at in some of the series that we were doing, was how many times— I refer to it as the Midas touch— that somebody’s just like pulled through the ranks that’s not actually an impressive person, and yet they were told that they were some genius. Then you start looking into their past and nothing makes sense, and they’re actually kind of dumb.

There’s a lot of those people, and then they’re put at the head of a company or at the head of a country. Yeah, like Emmanuel Macron gets a little dicey. Start looking into his past.

The Brigitte Macron Lawsuit

THEO VON: (00:45:22 – 00:45:28) So Emmanuel Macron, that’s the president of France. Yeah, and that’s— and you guys are in a law— are you guys currently in a lawsuit still?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:45:29 – 00:45:30) Yes. Yes.

THEO VON: (00:45:30 – 00:45:32) Is it something you have to keep dealing with?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:45:32 – 00:45:53) Yeah, you have to keep dealing with it because that’s one of the strategies of how the state tries to take you out. It’s just a bankruptcy. You for asking questions. And but this was unusual though, because I think this is the first time in world history that a sitting president of a country has sued any media person in another country. I mean, it’s just weird. I mean, it’d be very strange if like Vladimir Putin sued you, right? Just be weird.

THEO VON: (00:45:54 – 00:45:54) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:45:54 – 00:45:59) No, I don’t care what it is that you say about Vladimir Putin. He’s not going to— it would just be weird.

THEO VON: (00:45:59 – 00:46:00) It’d be weird.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:46:00 – 00:46:17) You’d be weird to think that like, oh yeah, he’s coming to Nashville because he’s got a court date with the Again, we’re getting to this inflection point where we’re like, hey man, is this real? The sitting president of France is suing Candace? Yeah, kind of weird.

THEO VON: (00:46:17 – 00:46:29) It’s kind of weird. It’s kind of like getting to be like Lost at the end of Lost, where they were just fucking like, running out of ideas. Yes, like at the end of Lost where they just did too many things, like the black smoke and the—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:46:29 – 00:46:35) like, I never saw it, but I know what you mean, when the writers is just they’re running out of ideas and you just gotta shut the show down at that point.

THEO VON: (00:46:35 – 00:46:47) And I think Lost might’ve been the original kind of— it was our first kind of TV COVID, I think, ’cause it was like, how much are people willing to go on such a journey? Lost was like a 7-year journey that most of America was on.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:46:48 – 00:46:49) Okay, I was not on that journey.

THEO VON: (00:46:49 – 00:46:51) And ended basically—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:46:51 – 00:46:52) Crazy.

THEO VON: (00:46:52 – 00:46:53) It didn’t end.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:46:53 – 00:46:53) Okay.

THEO VON: (00:46:53 – 00:46:54) Right? So it just—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:46:54 – 00:46:58) Like Game of Thrones. Yeah. We were with you, we were on this journey, and now it’s getting weird.

THEO VON: (00:46:58 – 00:47:34) So they start to do that, and then it’s like, then they make it a little bit more in real life. Life with like something like COVID? I think they’ve done it in the, in the, in the mental health sector too. I think SSRIs were a big thing, depression, that coming out. And then like 20 years after that, I think that bipolar disorder was something that was starting to be really, really diagnosed all the time.

And now it’s something I hear like everybody, like I hear so many cases of it. Can you look that up? When was bipolar disorder? I mean, Frankenstein was like the first sort of Dr. Frankenstein or whatever, but when was like current bipolar disorder? When did that start popping?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:47:35 – 00:47:37) When did it start popping?

THEO VON: (00:47:39 – 00:47:56) I mean, Halloween’s just going to be— it’s going to be a good one. Will people dress up like you for Halloween? Century— first century CE. Yeah, but this— that’s just, I think, like men dressing up like women and stuff. Yeah, because I think the last time that you were on here, we had talked about that— they— that about that lawsuit.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:47:56 – 00:48:10) Yeah, but just think about how weird that we’re talking about a lawsuit with the sitting president of France. It’s just— yeah, this is bonkers. They have to end. It’s got to be— we got to end the series now, right? Because we’re getting— the ideas are getting too crazy. How do we go beyond that?

THEO VON: (00:48:10 – 00:48:14) Is there a way that lawsuit will end? Do you guys see an end to it?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:48:14 – 00:48:30) Just imagine being in the court and just going, I’m sorry, what is the case I’m looking at? I don’t even— the sitting president of France. You’re the sitting president of France. You’re supposed to— now we can’t take a lot of these people serious. Seriously, that’s also what the problem is with stuff like this, is I feel like there was this—

THEO VON: (00:48:32 – 00:48:32) I want to—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:48:32 – 00:49:38) I don’t want to say like like we almost like respected certain things. We thought it was real, for sure, this illusion of power at least. And the illusion matters. We have to— it has to feel untouchable? It has to feel like it could be real. It’s untouchable and it’s aspirational. And then when you have like the sitting president of France suing podcasters in different nations, you’re like, okay, you’re not a serious person.

You’re not a serious person. You’re like the rest of us. Stop this pretense. This is coming out of the Élysée Palace. Just forget it. You’re just like a regular homeboy? And that’s— I’m really upset about that. We now— we have to realize that everyone’s an idiot, everyone’s emotional, and they’re all— they also happen to be liars. And so for them, they’re like, how dare you expose me?

I have the state behind me, so now I can sue you. And it’s like, even if you get beyond the lawsuit, you’re like, how does this work. You’re the sitting president of France. Even if you won the lawsuit, what’s going to— am I going to be shut up here? You’re going to take money from my bank account here? What’s— right, what are we doing? Talk about realizing that it’s glo— like, the entire system is globalized. What are you talking about? And then you have Trump cheering it on.

THEO VON: (00:49:38 – 00:49:39) The lawsuit?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:49:39 – 00:49:47) Yeah, you have Trump cheering it on, saying that he hoped Brigitte triumphs in court. I mean, who knows who controls his Twitter feed or whatever.

THEO VON: (00:49:48 – 00:49:50) But have you communicated with Trump about it at all?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:49:50 – 00:49:54) Well, he told me to stop talking about Brigitte. He called me in February of 2025.

THEO VON: (00:49:54 – 00:49:55) I didn’t even know that.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:49:55 – 00:50:29) Yeah, because I was doing a whole series on potential Mossad ties and all this stuff, and I got a phone call from him asking me to just stop talking about Brigitte and Sergio Gor. And I’m going, where— what is going on? Does the White House care about what I’m talking about on a podcast? And they wanted the conversation to stop. But I think now in retrospect, which I’ve been talking about the podcast now, I think it all actually relates to the Epstein files because the Epstein is a France story.

Like Ghislaine Maxwell, they were— this was a French family. And we were getting into, the House of Maxwell and her father, Robert Maxwell, being the central piece.

Epstein, the Maxwells and French Modeling Agencies

THEO VON: (00:50:29 – 00:50:30) It’s deep.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:50:30 – 00:50:40) It’s deep. And then you realize that his partner was Jean-Luc Brunel. It was the modeling agencies. It was all French. And so I didn’t put two and two together really until after Charlie’s passing.

THEO VON: (00:50:41 – 00:50:50) The French modeling agent and founder of Karin Models and MC2 Model Management, backed by Epstein, which was financially backed by Epstein, was one of Epstein’s companies. Closest associates.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:50:50 – 00:51:45) Yeah, so I think we didn’t realize what tree we were barking up when we started the series looking into Epstein, and I didn’t realize that these pieces could obviously come together if you’re talking about a world of trafficking. And I think, the modeling companies were a front for trafficking a bunch of people from Eastern Europe. That seems to be the picture. Epstein also was involved in weapons and And so it gives you an ability to do that.

And so a lot of these— I look at the fashion industry now different because you expect to see young women. They’re like, oh, this model from Estonia and she’s 14, but look how beautiful she is. And now I am going, this was kind of all happening right in our face because as you start to look through the Epstein files and he was like picking who was going to win pageants. Epstein won the lottery twice. Twice. Talk about us just realizing that’s fake.

THEO VON: (00:51:45 – 00:51:46) Did he really?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:51:47 – 00:51:51) Look that up. I want to fact-check that, but I’m pretty sure he won the Powerball twice, or maybe it was the Powerball twice.

THEO VON: (00:51:52 – 00:51:54) Did Jeffrey Epstein win the lottery?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:51:54 – 00:52:06) The studies show no official state or national lottery organization has recorded a winner by the name connected to a major verified jackpot. Okay, so is that— was that actually misinformation?

THEO VON: (00:52:07 – 00:52:07) So let me see.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:52:07 – 00:52:13) Oh wait, go to Tucker. For some reason I feel like I read that somewhere because I— you can’t trust AI. Either.

THEO VON: (00:52:13 – 00:52:14) I mean, who knows if Powerball—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:52:14 – 00:52:28) maybe it was Powerball, so that’s different from lottery or jackpot. I don’t know the difference between all these things. But yeah, in Oklahoma, maybe it was just one once. But it’s like a bit weird, like. And so you take a look at that and you’re going, what’s happening? Are we just laundering money?

Red Sparrow and Spy Wives

THEO VON: (00:52:30 – 00:52:41) Is it about children? Yeah, what is— because here’s the thing, in the end, what is it all about? Is it, is it about sex? Is it about money? It’s just about power. Like because now, all of it.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:52:41 – 00:52:47) I mean, the women— Red Sparrow. I think that they are probably running the most—

THEO VON: (00:52:47 – 00:52:49) Who’s Red Sparrow? Not that pizza place, is it?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:52:49 – 00:52:51) Is there a pizza place called Red Sparrow?

THEO VON: (00:52:51 – 00:52:53) Yeah, I think so. Look that up.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:52:53 – 00:52:53) Uh-uh.

THEO VON: (00:52:53 – 00:52:56) Oh my God, no. I’ve eaten there. I’ve dined in there.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:52:57 – 00:52:58) No, there’s no Red Sparrow. What?

THEO VON: (00:52:59 – 00:53:00) I’ve dined in there.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:53:00 – 00:53:09) That’s crazy that there’s a pizza— Is that in Nashville? What the fuck, man? Is that in Nashville? Oh shit, it’s in Australia. What were you doing in Australia eating pizza?

THEO VON: (00:53:09 – 00:53:13) I was hungry. You think I don’t get hungry just because I’m traveling?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:53:14 – 00:53:24) People gotta eat in Australia too, but I’m banned from Australia, so I can’t go. You are? Dude, me and Kanye, I think, are like the only people that have ever been banned from Australia.

THEO VON: (00:53:24 – 00:53:35) Okay, hold on, we gotta back a couple things up here. Okay, first let’s get it. And yeah, and I’m not sure if this was— yeah, this may or may not have been the place. That I, that I went to. But yeah, thank God. I— yeah, anyway, I didn’t—

CANDACE OWENS: (00:53:35 – 00:53:40) no, nothing bad happened at this pizza place. I was just— I was— I wasn’t even referencing a pizza place. I was saying Red Sparrow like the movie.

THEO VON: (00:53:40 – 00:53:44) Okay, I haven’t seen that. I haven’t seen that. Yeah, I thought you meant Red Sparrow Pizza.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:53:44 – 00:53:48) They’re going to get hit with so many reviews like, what’s going on at Red Sparrow in Australia?

THEO VON: (00:53:49 – 00:53:51) Yeah, bro, sorry, bro. You guys are chill.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:53:51 – 00:53:54) We’re very sorry. Allegedly, allegedly, just throw a couple allegedlys.

THEO VON: (00:53:54 – 00:53:57) Yeah, allegedly, allegedly. Good day, man.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:53:57 – 00:54:28) No, that’s where all the movies, like all of these spy women, fucking Halloween, that have like been put through the MKUltra program since they were kids, and then they’re just sent to marry. Because if you think about that more broadly speaking of what Courtney Love was saying about the publishing rights, well, power in general, like you got to have a way to access power. So you get all these women who are like completely hypnotized to marry these men, because what’s always going to be, biblically speaking, what’s going to be the easiest way no matter how much power a man has.

If you want to control them, send a cute girl, you know what I’m saying?

THEO VON: (00:54:28 – 00:54:31) And send a cute girl looking for sugar or whatever.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:54:31 – 00:54:35) Yeah. So they like are— this was, I think, based on like— it was real, like they were training.

THEO VON: (00:54:36 – 00:54:45) So this is a book by this guy. The story is based on the bestselling Red Sparrow novel by former CIA officer Jason Matthews. It draws on historical Cold War sexpionage tactics.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:54:46 – 00:54:46) Yeah.

THEO VON: (00:54:46 – 00:54:48) I mean, there’s still this shit.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:54:48 – 00:55:02) It’s just marry a dude. They can just— right now, you like— you look, you’re building a little empire. Higher so they could just send you a wind-up doll and then you love her and then you just leave everything to her. That’s scary.

THEO VON: (00:55:02 – 00:55:05) And she’s just a— she’s just like a data center of a woman. She’s not even a real woman.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:55:05 – 00:55:11) She’s not a real woman. Wow. I think a lot of people are thinking about that right now too. Who the bleep did I marry, right?

Caleb Flynn and Why Women Watch True Crime

THEO VON: (00:55:11 – 00:55:14) That’s the show, Who the Bleep Did I Marry.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:55:14 – 00:55:24) Yeah, that’s scary. That stuff scares me. The idea of not knowing who you marry or what they’re capable of, even in real-world scenarios. There was that case that just happened? Caleb Flynn or whatever?

THEO VON: (00:55:25 – 00:55:25) I didn’t see that.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:55:25 – 00:55:34) It was just— I don’t know what’s going on with people. He was having an affair. He— of course he was. It’s a man, Christian pastor, or was at least involved, a worship leader.

THEO VON: (00:55:35 – 00:55:37) At least he was having an affair with an adult. Was it with an adult?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:55:37 – 00:55:49) It was. But it’s like he then wanted out of the relationship, and like rather than just filing for divorce, he kills her, his wife. And you just go, okay. Oh yeah, also former American Idol singer.

THEO VON: (00:55:50 – 00:55:53) Singer. It’s a dark world, guys.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:55:53 – 00:56:38) There’s so many other options here? And it is, it’s a dark, dark world. But that, even, even in the retrospect, staged a home invasion. Yeah. And in the retrospect, what’s crazy is her sister, like the victim’s sister, was comforting him. She’s like, I had no idea that he was capable of this. That is so scary. And for something so dumb, like you just wanted— you had a fling with a girl.

That’s crazy to me. Just leave the marriage if that’s what it comes to. So you wonder what’s going on in this person’s head. You don’t know who you marry. That is the draw of that, where people I think are wondering like, oh yeah, when people say why are women attracted to true crime, it’s actually because you learn things about people.

THEO VON: (00:56:38 – 00:56:39) You think that’s true?

CANDACE OWENS: (00:56:39 – 00:57:22) Absolutely. It’s a psychology. It’s the different mindset of hunters and gatherers. Women are different creatures. We socialize more more. We speak more from a time that— and speak more words than men from the time that we start speaking. We speak faster. And you have to develop those certain traits over time, over, it’s, it’s evolutionary. So women socialize and they communicate and they learn information because they have to be the ones that keep the kids safe and all.

And so then you’re talking to each other like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that’s crazy. I didn’t even think about the possibility that the housekeeper could do this or whatever as you’re watching some show. I didn’t think about the possibility that a best friend could do then suddenly you’re watching somebody else’s story and you’re thinking, let me make sure that this is taken care of in my household and my kid is not being exposed to this. And—

THEO VON: (00:57:23 – 00:57:35) but yeah, I could see some of that. I could certainly see some of that. I think sometimes when— I think I always thought that women watch those shows because they secretly, this might sound crazy, but they secretly respect these murderers.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:57:36 – 00:57:36) What?

THEO VON: (00:57:36 – 00:57:45) Because at least it’s a guy making a commitment, right? Right? Say what you want about it, that guy is— that is committed.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:57:45 – 00:57:58) Men and women will never understand each other. That is what I’ve just learned right now. Men and women were just— men are from Mars and women are from Venus. No, women watch it because there’s like— it’s a draw of like, how could something have gone so wrong? Where could— it’s a safety thing.

THEO VON: (00:57:58 – 00:58:00) I don’t see— I see a lot of women like, oh, at least that guy’s willing to commit to her.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:58:00 – 00:58:02) Yeah, no, that’s not— that’s not the conversation.

THEO VON: (00:58:03 – 00:58:08) He said he would come over and he did come over. Yes, he killed her, right? But at least he showed up.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:58:08 – 00:58:39) That is not the conversation that’s going on. I always love thinking of what it’s like, that meme of what guys think is going on in a girl’s head and what girls think guys are thinking. And it’s just, we’re just from different planets. Yeah, we are. It’s fine, we’re from different planets. That’s what I’ve realized having boys and girls is just, there’s no comparison here. Yeah, completely different.

What’s going on in their minds is never what’s going on in our minds. Guys think we’re crazy. That’s what they think we’re thinking. And then we look at guys and we’re like, you’re crazy. Crazy. How are you guys so chill about this? Yeah, in certain regards. And it’s just hunters.

THEO VON: (00:58:39 – 00:58:43) Yeah, we’re all just— yeah, we’re just fish passing in the night, or whatever it’s called.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:58:43 – 00:58:45) I think— I think it’s the ships.

THEO VON: (00:58:45 – 00:58:55) Ships? Yeah, passing in the night. Yeah, if fish are passing in the night, dude, dude, if I wouldn’t even notice because there’s so much water. But yeah, dude, I’m telling you, it’s freaking Halloween.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:58:56 – 00:59:01) To be clear, fish do pass in the night as well. There’s nothing wrong with that expression. We can say fish passing in the night.

THEO VON: (00:59:01 – 00:59:01) It’s fish.

CANDACE OWENS: (00:59:01 – 00:59:02) Yeah, they pass each other.

THEO VON: (00:59:03 – 00:59:12) Fish passing in the night. Her: “I bet he is thinking of another woman.” Him: “Why do we throw our bait towards the middle of the lake when we fish from the bank, but throw our bait towards the bank when we fish from a boat?”

CANDACE OWENS: (00:59:12 – 00:59:18) That’s a good question. This is girl versus guy. Just—

Everything’s Turning Into Halloween

THEO VON: (00:59:18 – 01:00:52) These days, who even cares if you’re a girl or guy? Nothing even matters. People are getting their wieners remodeled. People don’t even have wieners. Everything’s crazy now. People are getting tits, tits on men. Kids— like, some kid got one tit put on his back or whatever the other day to help him with with like, like some of this, like the way he plays soccer or whatever.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:00:52 – 01:00:58) It’s like he got a tit on his back, or they doing like everything. You can’t just drop that casually. What do you can’t just say a kid got a tit on his back.

THEO VON: (01:00:58 – 01:01:18) I’m just saying they’re remodeling it. We have with soccer, just like I think it gave him a little bit more spacing when they were like lobbying for like a header near the net or whatever. But it was just like, what I’m saying is this, Candace, it’s all turned into Halloween. It’s, it’s like we’re at the inflection point where it’s just weird. It’s Halloween, man. Yeah, everything’s Halloween.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:01:18 – 01:01:34) But what do you think contributed the most to it? Because I do think that the majority of people— let me think through this because I want to make sure I’m not going to regret the statement— but I do think that the majority of people are normal, and I think we see the extremes a lot, right?

THEO VON: (01:01:35 – 01:01:35) Right.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:01:35 – 01:02:54) And so that’s one of the things, because my life is very, real, and we don’t kind of, I guess, play Hollywood or DC games, and we have our friend— nobody knows who our friends are Like, you’re kind of our only friend that’s famous, so to speak. And we keep our kids off the internet. I just feel like my life is very real. And so I know real people.

And so I’m wondering if we are also responding to the extremes because we then open our phones and we see like BBNet and Yahoo saying this or someone making a strange, I don’t know, know, just doing something insane, and that’s what the media is going to cover because they can’t cover people being normal. Yeah. So I think the majority of people are normal, but the people who have power are eccentric pedophiles, right?

And so they have to keep escalating things because they’re angry that the normal people are now going, oh, I think you guys are a bunch of pedophiles. And so then they have to be more extreme in their insanity and trying to gaslight us and make us think that we’re the crazy people. I don’t know, I think about that sometimes. What’s contributing to it. And they want— basically, they want to make us think that they’re the majority, but they’re actually not the majority.

The majority of people don’t want to put a tit on their back to balance them at soccer.

THEO VON: (01:02:55 – 01:02:55) Right.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:02:56 – 01:02:57) Some people, sure.

THEO VON: (01:02:57 – 01:03:03) Yeah, some people do. But pedophiles are trying to get that because they want to— it needs to be a new marketing surgery. It needs a new thing.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:03:03 – 01:03:09) That’s the problem with Hollywood. It was like the illusion of a majority because they had so many fans, but they’re not the majority.

THEO VON: (01:03:10 – 01:03:19) And now it’s changing, and so they gotta turn up the furnace. Yeah. Oh yeah, you guys are going to be the Titbacks or whatever, and you guys are going to be— oh, who’s your son play for? The Titbacks?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:03:19 – 01:03:20) Not a terrible name for a team.

Halloween Costumes and the Hacked College Video

THEO VON: (01:03:20 – 01:03:31) I agree, but it’s just— you’re right, it’s getting fucking weird. It’s turning into Halloween. Do you think that you’ve influenced a lot of Halloween costumes? Is there any Candace Owens Halloween costumes out there?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:03:31 – 01:03:34) They’re probably scared because they’re going to be like, it’s instantly blackface.

THEO VON: (01:03:35 – 01:03:47) Yeah, I will say this. When you have an artist or when you have Do you have like a personality or someone from the world that you like that is Black or even dark, dark Native American?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:03:47 – 01:03:52) I’ve never been offended by that. I think it’s crazy when they’re like canceling 4-year-olds and they want to dress up as Moana because they love Moana.

THEO VON: (01:03:52 – 01:03:53) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:03:53 – 01:03:57) And then they dress up as Moana and your parents canceled. I was like, come on, man.

THEO VON: (01:03:57 – 01:03:59) 4-year-old’s racist or whatever. What do you mean?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:03:59 – 01:04:00) She loves Moana.

THEO VON: (01:04:00 – 01:04:01) She can’t even spell racist.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:04:01 – 01:04:04) I know. That’s why my kids, it’s great because they’re mixed so they can just— they don’t have to—

THEO VON: (01:04:04 – 01:04:06) they can do either one. Either one.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:04:06 – 01:04:09) Oh yeah, slide in and be Cinderella. No way.

THEO VON: (01:04:09 – 01:04:10) Oh, shorty bae.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:04:10 – 01:04:21) No way. Oh no, that’s a tweet. No, they’re making fun of this week’s thing where they found a video of me. Okay, it wasn’t even, it’s literally from my college project.

THEO VON: (01:04:21 – 01:04:22) Oh, with the lesbian stuff, you mean?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:04:22 – 01:04:23) Yeah.

THEO VON: (01:04:23 – 01:04:23) But that is—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:04:23 – 01:04:28) no, the lesbian stuff wasn’t from my college project, but this is just someone just doing a—

THEO VON: (01:04:28 – 01:04:31) who is that? Now, what period of your life was this, Candace?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:04:31 – 01:04:34) That’s what I want to know. So I was playing a police officer. It’s actually a very funny, long, long video.

THEO VON: (01:04:34 – 01:04:36) So this is a real photo?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:04:36 – 01:05:10) No, it’s a real photo. I was playing a police officer for my sophomore year college I was a journalism major, so you had to like, this is back when you had the video camera and like the early editing in 2008 or whatever. And so your final project was always to pick a topic and then you had to like create a video and submit it. So somebody hacked my— and then you put up on YouTube, and I guess I didn’t private or unlisted or whatever.

So for some reason, back in June of 2025, somebody hacked my YouTube account from college, which only had this video, because you have to just send the link to your professor or Whatever. Sorry.

THEO VON: (01:05:10 – 01:05:11) You’re good.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:05:11 – 01:05:33) Is that good? Yeah. I guess somebody hacked my YouTube account last year from— so it’s a 2-decade-old video. It’s still hilarious. People should actually go watch it. And it was just— we were covering the Adderall epidemic on college campuses, and we were obviously being— it was satire. So we were leaning into getting arrested for— this person was a drug dealer who was selling Adderall.

THEO VON: (01:05:34 – 01:05:44) So it’s just a video from school. But is that why? Because there was something I saw last week. It was like about lesbianism or something like that. But did you ever practice lesbianism? I don’t care if you did.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:05:45 – 01:06:15) Form of witchcraft. Did you ever practice lesbianism? No, of course it was totally fake. It was their— it was their latest like Candace drop. And it was so insane because we were like, what is going on? How are you taking this innocent college video? And so they’re like, we hacked this and then we found that she had a Twitter account. And I’m like, yeah, like what’s— what is wrong with any of this?

And then of course if you put it all into Claude, they’re like— and then they just pretended that this account— they’re like, we can’t show you how, but this connects to all of these crazy lesbian accounts from 2008. I’m like, dude, 2008 is too early, A.

THEO VON: (01:06:15 – 01:06:17) And they made a mistake. Could you have been a lesbian at that time?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:06:17 – 01:06:25) If I was lesbian at that time, you just go to the bar. I’m on a college campus. You don’t— you go to a frat party. You don’t make— like, 2008 wasn’t a time where people were making—

THEO VON: (01:06:25 – 01:06:27) hang your tongue out of your mouth and run down the street.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:06:27 – 01:06:29) I’m like, this is— I think they just got the—

THEO VON: (01:06:29 – 01:06:31) it’s like, what are we even talking about?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:06:31 – 01:06:38) People don’t need to make accounts We Facebook just started. Like you know, these people weren’t doing this kind of stuff. The world wasn’t that weird in 2008.

THEO VON: (01:06:38 – 01:06:38) Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:06:38 – 01:07:31) So but anyways, what was really funny though was they only messed up on one point. So they then like of course tried to find all these accounts that didn’t have you know didn’t have a person’s face, and it got debunked pretty quickly. But the thing that they forgot—you want to know what saved me? I had a trashy tattoo and a belly ring, and they forgot to put it on there.

And I was. I was like, see, Mom, I disobeyed you. I told you. Dunking on my mom 2 decades later. Yeah. I’m like, you see, I told you this tattoo would pay off. Wow. Yeah, because they forgot the tattoo and the belly ring and the belly rings. Because, millennials— and I always talked about on my podcast on at The Daily Wire, she’d be like, this was the regret because tattoo removal is very, very painful.

But they just forgot it in the, in the Candace series. And then so the whole got clearly— I was like, guys, it’s just different. People weren’t— it’s just weird. I really—

THEO VON: (01:07:31 – 01:07:32) so you never— you see, you never did it then?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:07:32 – 01:07:54) No, of course no. Do you notice what they were accusing me of? They were— it was like they weren’t even casual. It was so Epstein-coded. They were like, this website, she’s had 6, like 6 profiles on AdultFriendFinder trying to find group, like group sex, group activities. Yeah, I’m like, people weren’t doing that. We had BlackBerrys, man. It was a simple— it was a simpler time. Yeah, dude, first of all, we had BlackBerrys. BlackBerrys.

THEO VON: (01:07:55 – 01:07:57) And also any woman with a BlackBerry. BBM.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:07:58 – 01:08:09) T-Mobile was like that sidekick. That was a lesbian item. I never had a Sidekick. Maybe it was a lesbian item. I feel like my mom had a Sidekick. Did she?

THEO VON: (01:08:09 – 01:08:15) She did. But where— so wait, was there a photo that’s not— so none of the things that they were saying were sexual pictures, right?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:08:15 – 01:08:22) No, no, they— then they tried to like there was no— there was no sense. It was totally schizophrenic. But lesbian Candace and see what it is. So then they— yeah, they tried to put up—

THEO VON: (01:08:22 – 01:08:26) oh, this whole thing’s going to be half the WNBA, so yeah, we can’t do that, dude.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:08:26 – 01:08:29) Yeah, so then they tried that photo in the corner, and then they—

THEO VON: (01:08:29 – 01:08:29) let me see it.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:08:29 – 01:08:39) They didn’t know I didn’t have a— they didn’t know that I had a belly ring and a tattoo. So then they tried to go back and be like, whoa, Candace, is that you?

THEO VON: (01:08:39 – 01:08:40) It ain’t me, unfortunately.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:08:40 – 01:08:56) Who is that? So then they found the photos after of my tattoo, and I was like, y’all are— you guys already fumbled the ball. You can only do the fake— you can only try the fake porn thing once. I was like, you missed the trashy tattoo and you missed the ring. And then they found the photos, actual photos of me in college, and I had a trashy tattoo.

THEO VON: (01:08:56 – 01:09:04) Oh dude, when you’re in college, dude, every— who is— I couldn’t name 75 people, also men, when I was in college that weren’t lesbians, first of all.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:09:04 – 01:09:08) But yeah, I mean, everybody, dude. Brunette— what was it, brunettes, bro?

THEO VON: (01:09:08 – 01:09:13) You hang your tongue out the freaking— just out of a moving car window and something will run across.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:09:13 – 01:09:14) It’s literally disgusting.

THEO VON: (01:09:14 – 01:09:15) It’s just a different time.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:09:15 – 01:09:35) But I mean, I kind of benefited from just— I was always just very honest with my audience about. I talked about the tattoo regret, belly rings, the like Christina Aguilera phases, drinking in college. And I think that you get this— like, that’s one of the things that I think I benefited from is just I’ve never pretended to be this perfect person? I mean, that’s all normal life.

THEO VON: (01:09:35 – 01:09:37) Yeah, it’s not like you’re going to have a normal life, right?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:09:37 – 01:09:51) But like, then like going to like the sex route and like trying to pretend that people are prostituting on your net, it’s just because I don’t support is real. It’s just like we’re getting a little crazy, you know what I mean? There’s something about that that I was like, it feels— I don’t know, not—

THEO VON: (01:09:51 – 01:09:53) well, it just feels cheap. I mean, it feels—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:09:53 – 01:10:02) but it’s like it goes back and you’re trying to edit my character. It’s like, I’ve already told you the flaws. You don’t need to, right? You know? And like, to try to sexualize things is crazy to me.

THEO VON: (01:10:02 – 01:10:21) But well, I think we’re in a different time where you can’t use those types of things as much anymore, right? Say you were somebody that had, that had even dated a woman, who cares? And say you were somebody that was having— going through a tough time and was, and was selling and was like involved in like some sort of sexual thing, so what? Yeah, like people are human people, right?

Fake Profiles and Online Dating

CANDACE OWENS: (01:10:21 – 01:11:16) Yeah. What somebody then also said is the new thing now— like, I, we’re also just lucky that the internet wasn’t what it is now— but someone was even saying that now what they do is they get these like, there’ll be these like data leaks and they’ll be able to find like an old password of yours. And so then they’ll go This gratefully didn’t happen to me, and they’ll— but they’ll like access dormant accounts and then they’ll create profiles.

They’ll create a digital profile for you and you’ve never even been on this website. So now it’s getting very sophisticated and people just need to be careful on the internet. And maybe that goes back to my point earlier about me just not wanting to put my kids out there, because if you’re putting your kids out there on the internet and you’re public, how do you know they’re not already creating fake identities for your kids?

You know what I’m saying? Like pretending your kid has a TikTok or whatever it is, just using a dormant account and creating a whole profile. There are entire profiles of me, profiles of people, good fan profiles, but then there could also be profiles that are not fan profiles that hate you.

THEO VON: (01:11:16 – 01:11:21) I saw one, there was one of you, I think it was somebody had said it was like dark farmer women or whatever. Bring that one up.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:11:21 – 01:11:22) No, do not. Is it— what is it?

THEO VON: (01:11:23 – 01:11:38) It’s not illegal or anything, it was just like, it was like kind of a farmers-only dating thing or whatever, but I think it was not dark, it was Darker farmer women or tanned farmer women, and you were like the most tan on there. Oh, me? Yeah, it was just a conservative female dating site or something. What?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:11:38 – 01:11:40) See if you can count on darker farmer women.

THEO VON: (01:11:40 – 01:11:42) Look, I don’t think it’s a bad—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:11:42 – 01:11:44) no, that’s so crazy. No, pull that up.

THEO VON: (01:11:44 – 01:11:49) Make it sound very negative. No, it’s a good place for people to meet people, especially in Murphy’s Bar.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:11:49 – 01:11:51) There is no way. Are you kidding?

THEO VON: (01:11:52 – 01:11:58) I’m not kidding. I know I saw this. Or I, you go through, you just like you scroll and you see stuff.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:11:58 – 01:11:59) No, this she has to actually find.

THEO VON: (01:12:00 – 01:12:06) Or like mahogany farmer, something like that. I don’t know what the terminology was used.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:12:06 – 01:12:11) Sorry. Wait, so is it like a website dedicated to Black farmers? Literally?

THEO VON: (01:12:11 – 01:12:15) No, it’s sort of like an urban farmer dating site, I think.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:12:15 – 01:12:22) Urban like city or urban like Black people? I mean, whatever you want it to be. I don’t know.

THEO VON: (01:12:22 – 01:12:25) I’ve never heard of this. Okay. I think it’s Black people, but I don’t know.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:12:25 – 01:12:26) Why are you on these websites.

THEO VON: (01:12:26 – 01:12:36) I’m not on them all the time. God, I’m just trying to do my best. I’m telling you, it gets— I got to get a— I got to get a family suit.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:12:36 – 01:12:38) You got to get a family suit. I didn’t even know about this.

THEO VON: (01:12:38 – 01:12:42) This is how you get one sometimes. You got to go, you got to search, you got to shop around.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:12:43 – 01:12:47) There you go. You learn something new every day. An urban farmer site. Are they using my photo though, for real?

THEO VON: (01:12:47 – 01:12:52) No, I— it was somebody, I think it could have been something that was fictional. Who knows what’s real anymore?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:12:52 – 01:12:57) Oh, oh, oh Yeah, I don’t know about that. Yeah, I was like, I thought you were saying like you were on the website and there was a profile for me.

THEO VON: (01:12:57 – 01:13:02) No, I saw a profile, but I don’t think that it wasn’t a sexual thing. Black female farmers, farmer dating.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:13:02 – 01:13:07) I didn’t know this was a thing. Single farmers dating. Okay, I love this.

THEO VON: (01:13:07 – 01:13:13) Let me see, cuz we need more Black farmer women. And look at this white woman sneaking in, even the third woman.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:13:14 – 01:13:17) This is crazy. I didn’t even know it was— what, like there’s so many websites?

THEO VON: (01:13:17 – 01:13:23) Oh, there you go down there. Let me see, a woman of a different breed right there. I’m that special lady.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:13:23 – 01:13:26) Pull up. What are you doing on this website, huh?

THEO VON: (01:13:26 – 01:13:28) I’m just looking to see what’s online.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:13:28 – 01:13:30) That’s so crazy. Wait, she’s not black.

THEO VON: (01:13:31 – 01:13:42) That’s what I’m saying. Some of these girls be trying to like— oh, that seems like a bot. Some of these dating sites are so bots. And who is that lady? “I’m a professional high fashion model.” That’s how it starts right there.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:13:42 – 01:13:47) There you go, right there. That is hilarious. And that’s your Epstein bot right there.

THEO VON: (01:13:47 – 01:13:57) It’s dark, Candace. I’m not talking about the women. Easy. It’s dark out there. I think we all just gotta— some of it’s too much online sometimes.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:13:57 – 01:14:50) It is. And I was even— because we were just talking about it now, of like the millennials, we kind of carved it all out. And even the earlier dating sites, like it was so much more innocent then. Like people were on like eHarmony, there were like commercials for it. And then I was, I was telling my producer Ashley, I was like, even when Tinder got My friends that were on Tinder, they— it was— people would go on dates and it was normal.

And then everything became so sexual. I feel like in like 2012, things kind of went down the drain. And maybe a little later, maybe it was like 2015. But I don’t know, there was like an innocence to the internet in the beginning. And then it got very dark and sexual and weird. And Tinder got taken over. And then it was like Netflix and chill. And then people kind of migrated and went to Bumble because they were trying to get out of that filter.

And now it’s just like, I can’t imagine trying to date at all. It’s just really, especially online, like you just don’t know. Like everything is so scary now.

THEO VON: (01:14:51 – 01:14:55) Well, yeah, yeah. In the beginning it was kind of like casual.

Google, Bots and the Dead Internet Theory

CANDACE OWENS: (01:14:55 – 01:15:31) It used to be a lot more innocent. And Google used to be real, by the way. The results that we got back, there were so many different options. Yeah. And then I feel like we stepped into like a totally different era where everything now is is like fake, fake and gay. Like I always say, it’s just fake and gay. And you’re like, okay, what’s real? Are these like— we just got bots everywhere.

It’s trying to tell you what to think. Google is no longer giving you every answer. It’s like telling you what the answer needs to be. As soon as you answer, you can’t even trust the first answer on Google. You actually should just dismiss the first answer on Google. And then you have to like— used to have all of these options. And I try to explain to people, I’m like, the internet is now fake. It’s just everything about it is a veneer, right?

THEO VON: (01:15:31 – 01:15:34) It started to almost eat, digest its own self in a weird way.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:15:35 – 01:15:42) But they got smart and were like, no, we need to tell them what to think and not show them what other people are thinking. Wow. The Dead Internet Theory, that is 100%.

THEO VON: (01:15:42 – 01:15:50) I believe, I believe that the Dead Internet Theory is an online concept which suggests that the internet is now mostly controlled by automated bots and AI-generated content instead of real people.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:15:50 – 01:15:56) I agree. X, definitively. I mean, X is just a bot farm. I knew the grossest—

THEO VON: (01:15:56 – 01:16:10) it’s so gross, dude. X, what, what did Elon do? What happened? Because it is the sickest place. You don’t even go on anymore. I don’t even know anybody who goes. It’s just like kind of a trashy spot where people are sell meme coins. Let’s just be honest.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:16:11 – 01:16:15) Twitter was better when Jack Dorsey ran it. Wow. We got to just— we got to just drop— we got to drop that right now.

THEO VON: (01:16:16 – 01:16:26) But do you think that something happened where then, the people— maybe Elon bought it and then they just like haters bought so many bots. Do you think it’s bots or do you think it’s bots?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:16:26 – 01:17:49) They’re obviously fake profiles. I mean, I remember at the like inflection point when they were really trying to get Trump to go to war and Trump was like, “I have 100% support in the public,” a ridiculous poll that’s so obviously not true. But I remember Michael Knowles, he tweeted something and he like ran a poll of like, do you support the Iranian war? And it was like 100% of people supported it.

It’s all full of— that come on Twitter. And that you can see sometimes where they launch all these bots and the trends are completely controlled now. So like you will never see a bad trend about a Zionist. And then no matter what people who are anti-Zionist do, they like try to clean it up. Up and like go after people. So they’re controlling the trends, the bots. And I don’t know why he allowed that to happen because he kind of came in like, I’m going to rescue X.

But, maybe it wasn’t a good business deal and so he’s just, cut some deals on the side. But everyone knows that it’s bots. But I will say this because I don’t think it’s a bad thing because people are aware of it. So I think now we’re kind of becoming like antibiotic resistant, you know what I mean? Like they’re trying the ascent, and we’re just like, okay, this is obviously nonsense.

Nobody actually believes this. Nobody believes these charts. Nobody— yeah, right. Nobody’s having the opposite effect. And so it’s a good thing that we now realize that the internet is dead. The dead internet theory is real. And but now what happens from here?

THEO VON: (01:17:50 – 01:18:14) Because here’s the thing, say if there’s these higher, dark powers and they control everything, once people start to look up and just not be stuck in the confusion anymore, right? To realize that, oh, everything’s being controlled. It’s all like kind of— so much of things are a myth. You have to immediately control all of them or they’ll get out of the cage, you know what I’m saying?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:18:14 – 01:18:20) Then that’s where we’re at right now, right? That feels like— I don’t think they know what to do. They’re like pouring more of it on and it looks even more ridiculous.

THEO VON: (01:18:20 – 01:18:20) Yeah, it’s bizarre.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:18:21 – 01:18:40) It’s like, yeah, we know people don’t think this. What are you talking about? We know these are bots. What are I’m saying. The average— that’s what I’m saying. The average person doesn’t think like this. So I don’t think they ever thought through this plausibility that there would be this awakening this quickly, because it did kind of happen quickly. We went— the last few years have been— I feel like everything’s gone faster.

Faith, Megachurches and Joel Osteen’s Toilet Cash

THEO VON: (01:18:41 – 01:18:59) Everything’s gone faster. The evil has gone faster. The hope has gone faster. I think more people are kind of like hopefully, hopefully heading towards faith and trying to find that maybe this is the time where it’s just another time in history where you realize that maybe this is something that brings a lot of people back to faith.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:18:59 – 01:19:15) But even faith is getting exposed, like the faith grift, so to speak, has been exposed in some areas for sure. I think over the last 3 years as well, where you got these like pastors who are like ripped jeans and trying to relate, and now we’re like, wait a second, you’re totally just a government—

THEO VON: (01:19:15 – 01:19:20) oh yeah, like Calves for Christ. You’ll see those guys doing like the workouts or whatever. These calves are for Christ, you know what I’m saying? Christ.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:19:21 – 01:19:34) What pocket of the internet are you in? I’ve never seen Calves for Christ. I’ve never seen Black Farmers. Where are you right now, bro? What are Calves for Christ, bro? I’m always pulling this up. I’m online. Candace, for Christ, I’ve never heard of this.

THEO VON: (01:19:34 – 01:19:39) But I’m just saying, Jesus, he might have been able to hold himself up on the cross if he’d had these calves. No way.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:19:39 – 01:19:57) Yeah, there’s a lot of dark stuff out there. I gotta— I just gotta like jump into your entire algorithm right now. You’re seeing things that I’m just not seeing on the internet. But yes, to your point, I was talking more about like the megachurch sort of cool pastor. Oh yeah, that like relates to you and all that stuff.

THEO VON: (01:19:57 – 01:19:59) Well, yeah, I think everything can get corrupt, right?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:19:59 – 01:20:10) It’s like, yeah, but I think it’s actually started corrupt, like some of these megachurches, because I— when I— yeah, I mean, the kind of money they’re bringing in. I’ll tell you where I was, my moment where I said, okay, This is—

THEO VON: (01:20:11 – 01:20:12) something’s going on here. All right.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:20:12 – 01:20:30) I don’t know if we’re drug trafficking, what’s going on here with these megachurches, who’s funding them, was when Joel Osteen, a plumber, went to go fix a toilet at his megachurch and he accidentally hit a wall and found $300,000 cash. You’re lying. Behind the toilet.

THEO VON: (01:20:30 – 01:20:30) Let me see.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:20:30 – 01:20:56) And then Joel Osteen comes out and he’s like, “Oh, there it is. Oh dang. Oh, there it is. We didn’t realize.” 300. That’s you know you hate. I hate when that happens. I accidentally lose $300,000 behind the toilet, and I’m going, are we all accepting this answer for like $300,000 cash found in like? I think something else is going on here. I don’t know. I’m not an expert. I’m not an expert.

THEO VON: (01:20:56 – 01:21:02) If these walls could talk, they’d say, “Hey, I need to get to a bank.” Look at this.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:21:02 – 01:21:05) This is real. Real. The plumber was Justin Cauley.

THEO VON: (01:21:05 – 01:21:21) A plumber named Justin Cauley found roughly 500 envelopes containing cash, checks, and money orders hidden in a wall behind a loose toilet at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston on November 10th, 2021. The old loose toilet trick. Yeah, yeah, let me come over there. You heard you got that loose toilet.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:21:21 – 01:21:38) And then look at the resolution there. The church stated that the original stolen amounts had been covered by insurance and that the recovered funds were So you’re telling me so it was stolen and then someone just put it in a behind a toy? Like what would be the purpose of that?

THEO VON: (01:21:38 – 01:21:38) Sounds like laundering.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:21:38 – 01:21:43) It sounds a little bit like maybe we need to be investigating that a little further.

THEO VON: (01:21:44 – 01:21:54) Houston police confirmed that the serial numbers and dates on the recovered checks linked to the stash to an unsolved March 2014 burglary were $600,000, about $200,000 in cash and $400,000 in checks.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:21:54 – 01:21:56) Like think about the story they’re trying to tell.

THEO VON: (01:21:56 – 01:21:59) Right now was reported stolen from the church safe.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:21:59 – 01:22:26) So you stole it, and instead of just walking out with it, you decided to put it in a toilet? I don’t think that happened. I think there might have been something going on inside of the church, and then you filed for insurance and you got money. And then, of course, on Sunday when they find it and it’s a whole scandal, it’s just like, oh, praise God? Prayed to Saint Anthony, and there it is. There it There it is. I’m going, wait, are we accepting?

THEO VON: (01:22:26 – 01:22:33) There it is. My money has come along. They’re over there filing off their fingerprints.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:22:33 – 01:22:50) Yeah, yeah, I’m like, guys, come on, I’ve been around. You don’t just find $300,000 behind a toilet. Different times. Different times. But yeah, a guy was like, okay, these megachurches are getting real mega. Well, it’s all—

THEO VON: (01:22:50 – 01:23:09) everything is like— that’s the thing about it. It’s like, I don’t know, it’s a— everything’s a tough balance to take care of yourself and not to get too— and not to get caught up, corrupted. Yeah. It’s Halloween, man. It’s turning into Halloween. Yeah, what are some good— what are some good Halloween costumes, I wonder? Oh, what are you going to—

Free Speech in France and Xavier Poussard

CANDACE OWENS: (01:23:09 – 01:23:10) what are you going to be for Halloween?

THEO VON: (01:23:11 – 01:23:12) Probably Brigitte’s wiener.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:23:12 – 01:23:14) Probably Brigitte would be a great costume.

THEO VON: (01:23:15 – 01:23:20) Would people be Macron’s wiener for Halloween? Has anybody ever been that? Is that a crazy thing to say?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:23:20 – 01:24:18) I don’t think any— I don’t think so. I think they’d be thrown in jail. They don’t have free speech in France. Yeah, really? Yeah, we’re headed that direction. They don’t have free speech in France. That’s why the journalists that like covered the story had to like move out of France. Yeah, for 8 years. Xavier Poussard, to work on the story, the government was just coming after him.

Have you Spoken to him? Xavier Poussard? Yeah, he’s the whole basis of the podcast I did was his work. So he’s the one who— he’s the real hero of the story. I mean, he was— you can’t— that’s old school journalism to commit yourself to one story for 8 years and people aren’t used to it because we live in such an ADHD society. That’s been like me with the Charlie Kirk case.

I just haven’t let it go. And it’s how journalism used to be. You don’t just cover something for 5 seconds and then just dismiss it, because you can’t if it’s actually a case or something that big. You have to, read the documents. You got to follow what’s going on. You have to know the characters. There are a lot of characters.

THEO VON: (01:24:19 – 01:24:27) So I want to ask you about it really quick. Let me see this. So this says France has freedom of speech, but it is not absolute and comes with specific legal limits.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:24:27 – 01:24:44) So you don’t have freedom of speech. French people trying to be tricky. So you don’t have We have freedom of speech, but it comes to— Parlez-vous freedom? All right, exactly. Take that Statue of Liberty. I never been, man.

THEO VON: (01:24:44 – 01:24:49) And honestly, bro, and no disrespect to the French, bro, but I never really been a big fan of the French, bro.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:24:50 – 01:24:51) I will say—

THEO VON: (01:24:51 – 01:24:53) And that’s fine with me, cut.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:24:54 – 01:25:02) People in Paris are not like the people in the rest of France. It’s like a different— it’s kind of like judging all of America based on New Yorkers. That’s fair. Or more like LA people.

THEO VON: (01:25:02 – 01:25:09) I just think, I don’t know, No, my favorite place in the world is in France. So it’s called Annecy. Can you look it up?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:25:09 – 01:25:11) Annecy. What are you doing at all these places?

THEO VON: (01:25:12 – 01:25:30) I was cruising. I had a lady at the time and we was cruising through there. Is this the Basil lady? Netflix and chilling? No, different girl. No, my old girlfriend. Annecy. Can you see just the downtown? It’s just a small place. Wow, beautiful. It’s a little town over there. Yeah, get you a little chocolate.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:25:30 – 01:25:30) You must have really liked her.

THEO VON: (01:25:30 – 01:25:32) It’s like being in that show Chocolat. You ever remember that movie?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:25:32 – 01:25:37) You must have really liked her. I did like her. Yeah, what happened? Oh, I don’t know what happened.

THEO VON: (01:25:37 – 01:25:44) I think I was— it was you. I was cheating, probably running around, just being just a wiener head.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:25:45 – 01:25:50) That reporter was amazing. That what? That reporter in France. And was he? Yeah.

THEO VON: (01:25:50 – 01:25:51) I mean, did you ever have him on your show?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:25:51 – 01:26:07) He— yeah. So I actually went out and interviewed him in London because I just couldn’t even comprehend the idea of dedicating yourself for 8 years to one story. Yeah. Do you know what I’m saying? And then having to move your entire family. There’s no upside for your family.

THEO VON: (01:26:07 – 01:26:09) He’s— so they made his family move because he was—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:26:10 – 01:26:15) no, he was getting chased by the government. They were doing things, and they went after every single journalist that tried to cover the story.

THEO VON: (01:26:16 – 01:26:19) What’s his name? Picard or whatever? Xavier Poussard. Xavier Poussard.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:26:19 – 01:26:44) Poussard. Yeah, but he just did the most amazing work and had to wait years even when he was filing for things that he rightfully was supposed to get. I mean, it’s like me right now trying to file FOIA requests, and the government just keeps telling us, nope, doesn’t matter, don’t have to answer, don’t. And so he, for 8 years, he fought them on this Brigitte story. And the book Becoming Brigitte, which I based the podcast series on, is amazing. It’s absolutely amazing.

THEO VON: (01:26:45 – 01:26:49) So so this is the guy who’s— and what are his major beliefs?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:26:49 – 01:26:51) Major beliefs in regard to—

THEO VON: (01:26:51 – 01:26:57) in regard to all of his research? The whole goal of the research is what? Is it just to—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:26:57 – 01:27:02) and he’s never been sued, by the way, by Brigitte. Isn’t that crazy? Yeah, she’s never been sued by Brigitte for defamation.

THEO VON: (01:27:03 – 01:27:10) It says Xavier Poussard published articles and subsequently a book titled Becoming Brigitte that amplified debunked online—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:27:10 – 01:27:15) see, debunked online hoaxes. It’s just not true. That’s why you can never trust the AI overview, because it’s just the government.

THEO VON: (01:27:15 – 01:27:18) So you’re saying that what the AI overview here is saying is not true?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:27:18 – 01:27:21) Yeah, it’s never been debunked. Okay, it’s never been debunked ever.

THEO VON: (01:27:21 – 01:27:31) And let me read what it says real quick. That amplified debunked online hoaxes claiming Brigitte was born biologically male. These false narratives subsequently gained international traction after being shared by various commentators and media figures.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:27:33 – 01:28:24) Looking at you, Candace Owens. But what really happened? For him, they never sued him, but they came after his businesses. It’s the squeeze, like I was talking about. One of the mechanisms is they’ll try to bankrupt you, terrify you. They went after other journalists on the case and sued them for defamation. Never on the point that Brigitte was born Jean-Michel Trogneux. My lawsuit is not about whether or not Brigitte Macron is a man.

And that’s what they do is they try to win these cases on a technicality. She’s suing me, like I said, for mentioning MKUltra, for saying that she stole her brother’s idea because she didn’t steal it or whatever. So accusing somebody of theft is accusing somebody of being a criminal. And that’s basically what they did. And then they the press. And so the press runs, Candace Owens being sued for defamation for calling Brigitte a man. Read the case. I’m not being sued for calling Brigitte a man.

THEO VON: (01:28:24 – 01:28:25) But people, we never go read the case.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:28:25 – 01:28:40) Nobody reads the case. And that’s the problem with the press. And then what happens is you then go on to AI and it scrapes. And so it’s Candace Owens is being sued for saying Brigitte’s a man. I’m not being sued for saying Brigitte’s a man. Fuck. She’s never sued anyone for saying that she was born a man.

THEO VON: (01:28:40 – 01:28:42) And do people think that she was born a man?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:28:43 – 01:28:50) A lot of lawsuits are like that now. It’s just for PR reasons to say that you’re suing over something that you’re not suing. Of course, the entire nation— she’s got a small frame.

THEO VON: (01:28:50 – 01:28:53) I don’t even know if she could hold a little wiener up on— if you had one on, pull her up.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:28:54 – 01:28:57) Brigitte’s old now. Brigitte’s like 80-something now.

THEO VON: (01:28:57 – 01:29:02) Pull her body up a little bit. Or not her body, don’t do it like that, but just pull her up as a tall person.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:29:02 – 01:29:08) Do not pull up Brigitte’s body. I’m going to strongly say reject. Do not do that right now.

THEO VON: (01:29:10 – 01:29:17) Yeah, get that gander right there. Oh, that body couldn’t hold a strong frank at all, I’ll tell you that straight up.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:29:19 – 01:29:20) The case is absolutely fascinating.

THEO VON: (01:29:20 – 01:29:24) The real wiener right here is that dude next to her. Who is that freaking—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:29:25 – 01:29:43) one of the most protected people ever, Brigitte. Is she really? Is she really is the question. Do you how is really she is, or is really he Hey, if these— hey, hold on. To he or not to he, that is the question.

THEO VON: (01:29:43 – 01:29:51) If these vaginal walls could talk, you know what I’m saying, bro? They wouldn’t— hey, they wouldn’t say a word because they not here.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:29:51 – 01:29:57) It’s a little crazy story, but Brigitte, I’m not taking back anything that I’ve said, that’s for sure.

THEO VON: (01:29:57 – 01:30:00) Hey bro, we can’t all be wieners. Exactly.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:30:00 – 01:30:03) It’s just that the Brigitte story is crazy.

THEO VON: (01:30:03 – 01:30:09) But if I had a low wiener I’d fucking keep that bitch on me, bro. If I was a woman, I wouldn’t mind having a little wiener, probably.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:30:09 – 01:30:12) If you— if you were a woman— what, you couldn’t if you were a woman, right?

THEO VON: (01:30:12 – 01:30:15) But if you had one, I’d keep that thing on me.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:30:15 – 01:30:16) Keep that Drake.

THEO VON: (01:30:16 – 01:30:19) Yeah, you would pull it out every now and then.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:30:19 – 01:30:20) Yeah, I sense—

THEO VON: (01:30:20 – 01:30:27) be like, hey, I’m going to set something in your hand, guess what it is, or whatever. Dude, do you think— this is a new game I like to play with people— is, do you think you—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:30:27 – 01:30:30) I don’t want to play that game. Okay, sorry, a little follow-up there.

THEO VON: (01:30:31 – 01:30:47) It’s, could you draw your wiener from not even looking at it, just guessing what it looks like. I think it would be an awesome contest to have. You had people and you had like 100 people, they draw their wiener. They don’t show their wiener or anything, they just draw their wiener. Whoever gets closest wins almost maybe $2,000.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:30:47 – 01:31:11) So this is the thing where I say women and men will never be able to understand each other. Why? Because I don’t, I don’t think that that’s a thought that’s ever crossed the mind of of a woman thinking about what men could think about. Oh yeah, a little wiener contest, a little art. ‘Cause I think wiener art is like it’s hot dogs. Yeah. Wiener competition is Kobayashi consuming as many hot dogs.

THEO VON: (01:31:11 – 01:31:14) Oh, maybe rich women, they want that Wagyu frank or whatever.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:31:14 – 01:31:17) Yeah, that’s it. So this, that competition.

The Charlie Kirk Case and the UVU Independent Review

THEO VON: (01:31:17 – 01:31:59) I’m talking about the Lord’s Lincoln Log. I’m talking about that body wiener. Anyway, let’s move on. Sorry. You have done a lot of research, probably maybe more than anybody, on the Charlie Kirk case. I have, right? And I’m sorry about the loss of your friend. Thank you. I’ve seen it’s just some just you being able to share some emotional moments over the past year talking about him and some of you guys’ relationship.

What is the one thing about the case that you just can’t get over, right? What’s one thing about the case that keeps you up at night, that has you believing like there’s something else going on here?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:32:00 – 01:32:18) So if we’re talking about just the facts of the case, the thing that everything fell apart instantly was when they said that his neck stopped a .30-06 bullet. That’s so— it’s so crazy that we shouldn’t be required to have to argue it. It’s so— it’s, from 150 feet away It’s just nutty.

THEO VON: (01:32:18 – 01:32:22) Yeah, I think that’s most— I think that, to me, that was most people’s, this is a red flag.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:32:22 – 01:33:05) Something’s not right. Yeah. And then I would say on the broader aspects of the case, the personalities surrounding it, is the lack of transparency from the organization that’s now run by his wife. That’s kind of— people are learning things about what he was going through in his last days from me Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson. And it just seems that the organization has done a complete 180 from what he was going through.

And so that would be the most alarming, I guess, social aspects of the case is what’s happening. Obviously last week the UVU finally released the independent review.

THEO VON: (01:33:05 – 01:33:06) So that’s Utah Valley University?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:33:06 – 01:34:29) Yeah. So for a year they outsourced the Lake Forest Group to go through the— see what went wrong that day. And so we have been told from his wife, from people, that all of these things happened because UVU did this. Brian Harpole went on Sean Ryan and said the rooftops weren’t covered because of the chief of police, and here’s the text message. And then what it exposed was that they were, they were lying about everything.

And so that’s the reason why they’ve just been attacking me all week, is because the UVU review, independent review, came out and everyone read it. Like I always say, don’t ever take my word for stuff. I’m telling you what is in it, but you should also go independently look at it because it’s shocking of, they were the ones— Turning Point USA demanded that he be outside, and the university said, we don’t recommend this.

You shouldn’t, this is not a good place. Is that true? Yeah, that’s 100% true. Why did they want him to be outside? They claimed that it was because Charlie loved the amphitheater setup. And I don’t doubt he liked the amphitheater setup, but I think when we now learned that the night before he was worried he was going to be killed, and if UVU was saying, we— you should not do this, and they’re forcing it before they even knew what the event was going to be, their main thing was it has to be outside in the amphitheater.

And I don’t think Charlie was ride-or-die amphitheater. I’ve done UVU with him. We didn’t do it in the amphitheater.

THEO VON: (01:34:29 – 01:34:32) Pull that up. Can you find something specific about Trevin?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:34:32 – 01:35:02) You could find it in the, yeah, the UVU independent review, and you can just search it. Courtyard is what they call it throughout the courtyard. And so when you realize that the insistence was coming from Turning Point USA and they tried to play it the opposite, then they dedicate 2 pages to just debunking everything Brian Harpole said on the Sean Ryan episode. And most critically— The UVU report does?

And this report is not theirs. It’s an independent outside group that sits in Chicago, Illinois.

THEO VON: (01:35:02 – 01:35:05) So do you believe that this report is reliable or not reliable.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:35:05 – 01:35:26) Everyone participated from the feds, the local police, UVU. The only people that didn’t participate was Turning Point USA. So they had to go off of Turning Point’s public statements. And they went off of Brian Harpole’s interview with Sean Ryan. And Brian Harpole is the security, one of the 13 security members that were there that day. That’s right.

THEO VON: (01:35:26 – 01:35:28) I saw him on Sean Ryan. I know who you’re talking about.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:35:28 – 01:35:42) And so he kind of got out in front of it and said all of these things. Things like we— he said the opposite. He said that they told us the event has to be here. Then we find out, and they put in text messages, emails, and talked like they— there’s— it’s not like they’re just saying trust us, bro. Got it.

THEO VON: (01:35:44 – 01:36:10) It took a year. The outdoor location insisted upon by TPUSA for their event created significant protective operation considerations. The speaking area was located in an open-access campus environment surrounded by buildings, elevated space, pedestrian routes, and multiple vantage points. UVU personnel recognized and responded to some of these concerns, including the Hall of Flags outdoor pedestrian walkway above the speaking location. However, the planning process did not include a documented line of sight assessment.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:36:11 – 01:36:32) So they had emails, and then we learned that it was Turning Point headquarters that requested this event to happen, which was a major question that we had. Who requested this event so late in the day, a couple of weeks before, when that’s not how these events typically come together? And it turned out it was Turning Point headquarters, not even the student chapter and say, hey, can we have Charlie?

They were like, you’re getting Charlie, and so call the school and see if that—

THEO VON: (01:36:32 – 01:36:38) and, see. So Turning Point approached the school about him being there? Yeah, they wanted the school—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:36:38 – 01:37:11) typically, because, I used to work for them, the students request, they’d say what speakers they want to have. For sure. And so then they’re making a request to headquarters like, I want Candace, I want Charlie, I want whoever’s on the roster. And they try to make it happen for them because obviously we can’t do every school, and they— it’s kind of like a reward system How did you know?

How well did your chapter perform? This time, uniquely, headquarters reached out to the student chapter, and they put the guy’s email in there because he’s like, ““My field director just reached out to me. They’re being vague, but they want the courtyard. Is it available?”” Got it.

THEO VON: (01:37:11 – 01:37:19) So that’s a big problem. But wouldn’t Charlie have had something to do with that? Like saying, “This is what I want.” Like was he part of TPS Turning Point headquarters?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:37:20 – 01:38:11) I can just tell you my experience working there is like they the students give all the requests. There’s a meeting about what eventually. Want to do. Sure, if Charlie would say like, I really want to do like the big ones, the big 3, like Berkeley, Stanford, and UCLA, we did those because, they’re going to be like really fun events. This— but those, they cannot come together this quickly is the point, because they— you have— you’re fighting with the administration.

They don’t want you there as a conservative on campus. They want to make sure things are safe. They make, all of these specifications. There can only be this many people, and everything’s got to be gluten-free, all that. So people were wondering also why there was no ambulance on standby. Well, it turns out this very— this report reveals that the president was like, headquarters basically filled out the form.

They told them there was only going to be 600 people, and they ticked no on needing an ambulance. No way. So every single security measure—

THEO VON: (01:38:12 – 01:38:16) that seems like a crazy thing to put. Yeah, that seems crazy to put that.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:38:16 – 01:38:18) Yeah, why would you say— would you say yes to the ambulance in general?

THEO VON: (01:38:18 – 01:38:24) What if there’s 7 people around? Dude, if I’m even swimming with 2 of my friends, I’ll have somebody around. If Yeah. Right?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:38:24 – 01:39:12) If it’s an option. And I was saying that I had never done an event where there wasn’t an ambulance on standby. And I worked with them for years. So all of these things, and if they had been forthcoming, if they had been not gaslighting us for a year, if they had been like, we reviewed our policy, if Turning Point USA came out and was like, we made so many mistakes, we actually were the ones who told them not to have an ambulance.

Instead, they were on a high mighty horse, high on their own supply, lie. “UVU did this, the police chief.”. And it turns out the police chief of UVU is the hero of this. He kept being— he was the one that said, oh, we’re going to need more people. There’s actually— on your show? No, he hasn’t spoken to anybody. But they try— they basically tried to blame this guy for a year, and he was the only person that seemed concerned about Charlie’s safety.

They never— he tried to meet up with them on the day of the event.

THEO VON: (01:39:12 – 01:39:30) They never did a walkthrough. For the September 10th TPUSA event, the director of emergency management and safety assigned 2 UVU emergency medical services personnel. Both were EMT technicians trained to provide pre-hospital emergency medical care before patients reach a hospital. EMTs may deliver non-invasive life-saving interventions and help stabilize patients during emergencies.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:39:31 – 01:39:34) Yeah, both elsewhere where they talk about the forms and they checked off no.

THEO VON: (01:39:35 – 01:39:42) It is important to note that the EMTs could not transport patients including Charlie Kirk to the hospital. No ambulance was staged on site for the September 10th.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:39:43 – 01:40:20) Yeah, but it tells you elsewhere why there was no ambulance, and it was basically like once you book the event, then there’s a form that they send you and the person who was the student chapter head didn’t get it done. He— no, he did, but they said no. So it’s like, you— why would— why are you telling the public like you’re some victim of what UVU did when you guys were the authors of it?

And they also controlled ticketing. So UVU, when they say, oh, it was understaffed, they never— when the police officer on September 3rd asked them how many people are coming, they never told them numbers. But they How many? They were the only one. Headquarters was in control.

THEO VON: (01:40:20 – 01:40:22) But you said UVU was in charge of ticketing.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:40:22 – 01:41:16) No, they weren’t. Oh, they weren’t? Turning Point USA requested to be— they did not want to use the university’s ticketing system. I mean, it’s a damning report. You have to read it. It’s crazy. And it really shows you how manipulative they’ve been over the last year in their communications to the media saying that they want answers. Why would they not? Give me one reason they would not participate in this.

This. In the beginning, it lists everyone that participated, from the feds to the local police to the EMS. I mean, these people are giving their text messages, their emails, allowing them to investigate for an entire year what went wrong. There’s no reason in my mind that they would not participate in this unless they knew that their hands weren’t clean. And I saw one person trying to say, well, it’s because there’s a pending suit.

This is not about Tyler Robinson. This is about the lead-up to the event and what safety measures were taken and what went wrong and why ambulance was not on standby. This has nothing to do with them going into the forensics of Charlie Kirk being shot or what happened.

THEO VON: (01:41:16 – 01:41:59) TPUSA preferred to hold the event in the Fountain Courtyard and use its own ticketing system rather than the university system. Those decisions— they blamed them for not having enough security. Those decisions placed the event in an area that was more difficult to control and limited UVU’s availability to obtain reliable real-time information regarding anticipated attendance and crowd outside. UVU should have retained decision-making authority over key security-related issues including venue selection, ticketing, access control, and other conditions necessary to support campus safety.

It’s unfortunate too, mostly for this university, because this is probably a university that’s just trying to, just trying to grow itself and, keep it together. It’s a place that obviously a lot of people come to that wanted to hear a speaker and be a part of something. Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:41:59 – 01:42:13) And they were told there was going to be 600 people. Turning Point never updated the numbers. And then there’s 3,000. They wouldn’t give them access to the tickets. And the police officer was asking these questions on September 3rd, and Dan Flood said he didn’t know how many people were going to go be there and that Turning Point headquarters controlled it.

THEO VON: (01:42:14 – 01:42:20) Who’s another good source outside of yourself to discuss, to go through a lot of this stuff with, do you think?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:42:20 – 01:43:18) You mean just independent investigators or people? I feel like the only sources are people that are investigating this independently because it feels like we’ve has just been— the Department of War has been protecting this narrative and lying to everybody, and the journalists have been so dishonest in everything. But I really love the work of— appreciate the work of Baron Coleman, and he’s done fantastic work looking into different areas of the case.

There are so many YouTubers that have just done fantastic work. I mean, from being on the ground, pulling the warrants, seeing what happened that And it’s crazy that we would expect for Charlie’s wife, who is at the helm of this massive organization, that she would dedicate an entire department to doing this. Right. And nothing. Wanted to accept the narrative. 10 days later, was back in the office and everyone needs to move on. In fact, explicitly, their team members, which I haven’t shown the—

THEO VON: (01:43:18 – 01:43:20) So TPUSA doesn’t have their own private investigation going on?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:43:20 – 01:43:22) On. No, they accept the narrative fully.

Does Candace Believe Tyler Robinson Did It?

THEO VON: (01:43:23 – 01:43:24) Do you think Tyler Robinson did it?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:43:25 – 01:44:16) I do not believe Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. Do I believe that he was a part of some broader thing that was going on that day? Was he around the campus? Yes. Could he potentially be guilty of, the charge of hiding clothes, which people said that he was at the Dairy Queen doing that? Absolutely. Concealing evidence and things of that Absolutely do not. He’s not the person on the rooftop.

Nobody shot Charlie from the rooftop of Losee is where I’m at. And so, I look into alternative theories of whether or not Charlie was hit closer by, whether or not it was on him, and something explosive went off. That makes more sense to me based on the injuries that Charlie has, and the impossibility, and how quickly they tried to hide the footage behind Charlie’s head, which would’ve shown the public public that the bullet didn’t go through.

THEO VON: (01:44:16 – 01:44:20) Well, so bizarre that immediately they went and took those cameras, took the cards out of those cameras.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:44:20 – 01:44:58) Yeah, and specifically the one behind his head. And that’s why, because I believe they were going to tell the public that the bullet went through because they were going to go with a .30-06 narrative. And then along came Candace, and I’m the one that revealed that it didn’t. And that’s why they have been— have so much animosity toward me, because it— from that point on, they couldn’t control the narrative because you were asking people to believe the impossible.

You’re like, pigs fly, that’s it. And they can’t prove that. So I, to them, represent the complete unraveling of the narrative that would have been fine and people would have believed that the bullet went through. And now they have to say that bullets do weird things and that necks do weird things.

THEO VON: (01:44:58 – 01:45:07) And right, people are saying, yeah, bullets do crazy stuff. Yeah, they’ll stop by their girl’s house on the way to their wherever they’re going. You’re like, what the fuck? I’m like, what is even happening?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:45:07 – 01:45:18) What are you talking about? This is a 30-odd 6 from 150 yards. It’s not going to be— and into a neck of all places. Maybe you could get there if he got shot in the sternum or a neck.

THEO VON: (01:45:18 – 01:45:33) Come on, man. I want to read this theory. This is the one that to me that stood out the most. The exploding microphone theory is an unfounded conspiracy claim suggesting that conservative activist Charlie Kirk was killed by an explosive device attached to his microphone rather than by a gunshot.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:45:33 – 01:45:55) If you looked at what there’s more evidence of is that something was on Charlie and hit him. And he was hunched over and hit him right in the neck. And it actually created a shallow wound, but it hit his artery, obviously exploded. We then presented the evidence, which was never supposed to be seen, of what the car looked like. And you see just what looks like black shards all over. And so that’s—

THEO VON: (01:45:55 – 01:46:04) So you’re saying that— Yeah. Can you get me this, Trevin? Okay. Thank you so much. It should be just a simple, it’s a RODE, R-O-D-E, exploding microphone theory.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:46:04 – 01:46:15) But again, going back to our point about Google, Like, this shouldn’t be hard. It’s a pretty big theory that’s out there, but they’re just like, this is not true. This did not happen. That is the reason why they put that AI overview, because that’s the state’s narrative.

THEO VON: (01:46:15 – 01:47:03) Do you think that this could be the reason, not Charlie Kirk specifically, but just overall, right? That that’s why AI is so important so fast right now, because they need to be able to have complete control over the information. It’s a deleting of all old information. Anything that’s not written in a book, anything that’s not entered into AIs won’t even be able to be usable or searchable anymore.

So imagine they’re kind of doing what was done like in Cuba, like delete a file, right? Once it’s out, it’s gone forever. So they’re kind of like— and then that kind of locks you in to this whole new space of information. And once you start to believe what you’re only able to search for, then that’s where you’ll be stuck forever. Like once they can delete the past, yeah, and all you have is this fictional narrative of this current or semi-past. We’re going to be— that’s what they did.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:47:03 – 01:47:05) A never-ending present. That’s what they did in Cuba.

THEO VON: (01:47:05 – 01:47:09) They got rid of all the books in the ’40s. That’s what they’re doing in Gaza.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:47:09 – 01:47:54) Yeah, they’re just getting rid of history. That’s what we’re doing in the Middle East, just destroying ancient— Dang. This is getting rid of history. They want a world where they can control, and we’re going to live in an ever-present. That’s dystopian, but that’s what they want. But I think it’s now being stopped because people are aware of it and having the conversation of what’s going on right now, why don’t I recognize Google?

You used to just be able to Google that. And then the first thing that would have popped up would have been John Bray’s video describing the theory. Yeah, because that’s the thing people have watched the most. And people— this is a big theory. So that should be, if algorithms are fair, at the top. Instead, they give you the AI model which scrapes the mainstream media, which is controlled by the state apparatus.

And they give you, this is a debunk. Brigitte Macron, this is a debunk. Yeah, there ain’t no wiener.

THEO VON: (01:47:54 – 01:47:56) Yeah, ain’t no wiener here. Exactly.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:47:56 – 01:48:44) Everything’s debunked. And so you’re just getting the Department of war’s narrative. And so you have to know how to research. And this is why they’re trying to get a handle on podcasting because it’s disrupted the state media. And I guess you could say the monopoly that the state media had on ideas. And it’s because what they’re saying doesn’t make sense. I mean, how many times? And in part, by the way, the reason why we got here was because they overplayed their hand during COVID So people don’t trust the mainstream media.

Yeah, you don’t get to do that twice. You don’t get to now then do COVID and then try to Charlie Kirk us too. You don’t go COVID to Charlie and then be like, start repeating the social distancing, save lives, wear a mask, save lives. And they’re like, 30-06 can do strange things. And it’s like, 30-06 not working this time.

THEO VON: (01:48:44 – 01:48:49) Some of the bullets will do backflips now. It’s like these new kind of like Jamaican bullets, and they’ll backflip on the way to the destination.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:48:50 – 01:48:52) Yeah, yeah. And you’re like, what?

THEO VON: (01:48:52 – 01:49:00) It’s a fucking bullet. They’re like, no, it’s a new Jamaican bullet, man. It fucking pulls. It’ll gamble on the way to the destination.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:49:00 – 01:49:18) And then also common sense with the Tyler Robinson stuff is like, people generally don’t do nothing and then do murder and jump off of building. First off, jumping off of a building, yeah, it takes some guts. Just try what it takes to jump like the first time. Just go. Go without looking down, seeing if you can—

The Rode Microphone and AES Explosion Theories

THEO VON: (01:49:19 – 01:49:47) oh yeah, if I even get on the third step on my step stool, I get a little bit nervous, right? Pull it up, see how far that jump was. But leave this up. I want to— I want to read this Rode— this Rode theory real quick. Do you have that Rode mic theory? It alleges that the wireless microphone transmitter on his shirt, often identified online as a Rode Wireless PRO, contained a small explosive or shaped charge rather than Kirk being killed by a rifle shot, right?

And to be clear, I’m not saying Rode did this. Someone tampered with their mic. And wasn’t there, wasn’t there a connection to Tennessee because they had allegedly—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:49:48 – 01:50:02) Yeah, so I have never covered that because there was this sort of mysterious explosion of an AES plant which did manufacture the, like yeah, Accurate Energetic Systems was the name of it.

THEO VON: (01:50:02 – 01:50:30) The online theory of this Tennessee manufacturer connection is— says that if Charlie Kirk’s apparent Rode Wireless Pro unit had been weaponized, the explosive component could have originated from AES because AES makes specialized energetic products. AES is Accurate Energetic Systems, which is based in Bucksnort, Humphreys County, Tennessee. The more elaborate version specifically claimed AES had a contract involving miniaturized anti-personnel, and they did.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:50:30 – 01:50:41) They— there was a— there was a contract that was shown to make a small explosive. And so people have covered that, and then this— it just exploded, the whole thing. What was October 10th, right?

THEO VON: (01:50:41 – 01:51:01) And then that whole facility where some people allege that the Microphone that was that or the rigged micro the rigged microphone. The rigged microphone was it then points to a deadly AES facility explosion. So this place, one month after Charlie Kirk was killed, this whole place blew up as supposed evidence of a cover-up or destruction of records.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:51:01 – 01:51:49) Yes, every and everyone died. I think there was only two people that survived that were in that particular. I mean, there was multiple. It’s Halloween. I never covered this because I always wait until their piece of information. Where somebody who— I don’t know, maybe a family member of somebody who worked there, but they definitely— they contracted with the Army. And so it definitely was weird. It was weird.

The timing of it was weird. But a lot of people have looked into this and said, what’s going on here? And again, when everyone around the situation is just accepting the narrative immediately, 10 days after, with no questions and wanting to on. That’s not— that obviously the public is going to sniff that out and go, this is not normal. We have questions. So how do you not have questions, right? Yeah, we have questions.

THEO VON: (01:51:49 – 01:51:51) There’s nobody to ask our questions anymore.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:51:51 – 01:52:14) They’re just like, that’s it. It’s, it’s really sad. He’s gone forever. We’re going to do this big memorial and we’re going to be really happy and we’re going to be dressed up, we’re going to celebrate, and then we’re going to move on. And his wife has the company. If you ask any more questions, you should be in prison, you should be locked up, you should be sued for defamation.

That’s not going to sit well the public. Yeah. And so they’ve kind of— they sort of come undone because people are still asking questions.

THEO VON: (01:52:15 – 01:52:54) Yeah. And, and this says right here, on September 23rd, AES received a $120 million firm fixed-price contract from Army Contracting Command Rock Island for the procurement of TNT. Some people are saying that some of this order could have had that some of that funding would have been part of that funding could have been connected there somehow. The what, what is— I mean, it’s, it’s Halloween. I’m Macron’s wiener.

Oh, I’m the ghost of Charlie Kirk. I what is— oh, here’s the guy jumping off this building.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:52:54 – 01:53:07) I just feel like if you, if you’re not like the first time, you just kind of would have some— you’d be a little more concerned? Am I going to make this jump? So of a thing. Never been to this campus before, you know what I mean?

THEO VON: (01:53:07 – 01:53:11) That’s a pretty big jump. It’s pretty big. Was he an athletic guy though?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:53:11 – 01:53:15) No. No. Huh. Thin guy, Fisher.

THEO VON: (01:53:16 – 01:53:23) And was he allegedly a homosexual fella or not? Yes. A lot of gay dudes can jump pretty far now.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:53:24 – 01:53:25) I mean, I did—

THEO VON: (01:53:25 – 01:53:44) yes, I’ll just say yes to that. Times are different. You got a damn— bro, you got a damn Yes, you have a— yeah, I know gay dudes jump damn 6 feet, 7 feet. What, what is the strongest piece of evidence that supports that Tyler Robinson did this so that everything isn’t—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:53:45 – 01:54:34) the state’s strongest piece of evidence is the text, the alleged text messages between him and his lover, and I find that not to be compelling because his lover’s testimony was pre-recorded in a way that they would never allow, that it to play out like it’s only because there was this basically hearsay clause that they could just use hearsay. They could not ask him any questions back. The defense couldn’t like question him at all.

And so he just recorded his testimony and said these are the messages where he fully confessed to the crime. That seems suspect to me. I don’t care if you’re a drug dealer selling like a gram of pot, you’re not going to fully text a full confession. I did it, here’s when, why, how. It was, I mean, totally crazy that you would try to get away with it, but then also text his full confession.

And then Lance, that’s who his lover is, or his boyfriend was, is granted immunity for this testimony.

THEO VON: (01:54:34 – 01:54:38) So that means he can say whatever he wants and he won’t be liable by the courts.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:54:38 – 01:54:40) Why does he need use immunity?

THEO VON: (01:54:40 – 01:54:50) Yeah, why does that matter? But why could it matter? Let’s look at it from the other side. It could matter because he could need immunity because maybe they would, what, think think that—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:54:51 – 01:55:01) no, the story is he just did this randomly. Lance had no idea. So if, if he was implicated in some way of like, I gave him the— nope. Lance says he slept through the whole thing. Slept through the whole thing. Had no idea he was going to do it.

THEO VON: (01:55:02 – 01:55:20) Dude, if a— I know this, I have some gay family members and pretty or semi-gay or whatever, and they— I know this, if my— if, if one guy is out there shooting somebody or something, the other guy is going to up and milling around having a Celsius.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:55:20 – 01:55:45) No, he’s by the window, everything, even when clutching his chest or whatever. He found out when he got these messages, he was just, why did you do it? So staged. It’s like every single answer. Yeah. And that was also the problem. It’s like, it’s not like he said one thing like, hey, need to see you, let’s meet up. And then he tells a story that like when they met up, he told him what he did in person.

It’s like, people don’t believe this. Who texts every layer of a confession? Here’s where I did it, here’s how I did it, here’s what I was wearing. It just feels very—

THEO VON: (01:55:45 – 01:55:55) here’s what I was wearing is what a gay dude would Text to his buddy though. I was wearing this or whatever. I think he did say in the messages that he changed or whatever, like never shooting somebody again.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:55:55 – 01:56:00) Outfits. It’s like exactly what the feds were like, hey, we gotta have to— these are all the holes, can you just put this in the message sort of a thing?

THEO VON: (01:56:00 – 01:56:01) Zoom in on it, let me see.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:56:01 – 01:56:08) Yeah, give us your motive? It’s like, it’s like, it’s like every single piece of it is right there. Give us your motive. “Some hate just can’t be negotiated.”

THEO VON: (01:56:09 – 01:56:36) “Shouldn’t be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.” “You weren’t the one who did it, right?” “I am. I’m sorry.” Oh, that’s very Sense and Sensibility, isn’t it? I loved him as he loved me, or whatever? That’s very William Brontë or whatever that guy’s name is.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:56:36 – 01:56:40) Why run if you’re just going to text a whole confession Why run, right? Why run?

THEO VON: (01:56:40 – 01:56:42) What are you running from? Why are you at Dairy Queen?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:56:42 – 01:56:48) You think you weren’t going to get caught writing an entire novel describing where you were, how you did it, what you were wearing, how you changed the clothes?

THEO VON: (01:56:48 – 01:56:52) I’ll never shoot someone again in a Givenchy jacket or whatever.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:56:52 – 01:56:56) Great. Even down to the outfit, he’s discussing it. And so when people saw the messages—

THEO VON: (01:56:57 – 01:57:00) these sandals do not go with murder, I’ll tell you that.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:57:00 – 01:57:03) “I’m waiting just around the corner trying to grab my wife.”

THEO VON: (01:57:04 – 01:57:15) No, they grabbed some crazy old dude. I’m inter— then interrogated in someone in similar clothing. “I had planned to grab my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down.” He’s not writing all this.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:57:15 – 01:57:18) The drop point— I mean, just common sense.

THEO VON: (01:57:18 – 01:57:25) Drop point to most gay dudes is a place to buy a little bag, maybe, and some poppers so you and your buddy can get wicked or whatever.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:57:25 – 01:57:45) Sounds like a cop is writing them. It’s like, okay, what do we need now? Motive, right? What do we need? Drop point. Oh, what do we need? So you see it all covered so that the public could not ask questions. Why’d you do it? Who? What? When? Where? Why? How? Yeah. And then he just writes it, writes it all. And so these messages didn’t register as real.

This is their— this is the state’s strongest piece of evidence that he did it.

THEO VON: (01:57:45 – 01:57:50) And then his buddy— first of all, I’ll say this, his boyfriend doesn’t really give a fuck. He’s over here.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:57:50 – 01:57:52) That’s the other thing. I just told you that I killed someone, right?

THEO VON: (01:57:52 – 01:57:56) His buddy’s like, who else knows? Or whatever. “Stay safe,” he says.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:57:56 – 01:58:01) I wouldn’t even answer because I wouldn’t want to be implicated. Located. First off, first of all, I’m not answering. You’re right.

THEO VON: (01:58:01 – 01:58:07) Yeah, even if my best friend texted me, I just murdered somebody, I would be like, phone off.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:58:07 – 01:58:09) Yeah, didn’t receive it.

THEO VON: (01:58:09 – 01:58:13) I’d be like, oh fuck, hold on a second, I got another call or something like that. Yeah, I would do something.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:58:13 – 01:58:21) I’m not even texting back. Yeah, because I’m just like not texting. I would do this one. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

THEO VON: (01:58:21 – 01:58:23) And that is it. Maybe 2 of those.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:58:23 – 01:58:36) There’s no way I’m texting back. Common sense to me says I don’t know What this? But I’m going to find another friend talk about it. He text me. This is crazy. Like I’m not. I’m not being like stay safe or I love you, Morse’s mwah mwah mwah. Mwah mwah mwah.

THEO VON: (01:58:36 – 01:58:43) Okay, that is what are we talking about? Mwah mwah mwah. What? Mwah mwah mwah.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:58:43 – 01:58:49) “Drop what you’re doing. Look under the keyboard.” And they said he handwrote a confession, but then he burned it or somebody burned it.

THEO VON: (01:58:49 – 01:58:53) Drop what you were doing. Look under my keyboard or whatever. Yeah. And that could be a euphemism too.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:58:53 – 01:59:02) That’s the full letter that he allegedly wrote and said I. I did this, but then he burned it, but then he also then wrote it in a text. So why write the letter? I mean, the whole thing just doesn’t make any sense, right?

THEO VON: (01:59:03 – 01:59:05) Why did— have you had Lance on, the boyfriend?

CANDACE OWENS: (01:59:05 – 01:59:10) Lance is protected by the feds immediately, had federal protection, witness protection.

THEO VON: (01:59:10 – 01:59:10) But does it—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:59:10 – 01:59:20) you can’t find him, do you think? I mean, people know where he is. They know that he’s in Texas, but he’s just— he’s— I think he’s the person who was much more involved in this.

THEO VON: (01:59:20 – 01:59:27) Oh, you think so? You— so you think Lance got to Tyler early and somehow even was able to help him get in a position to be set up to where he is.

CANDACE OWENS: (01:59:27 – 01:59:32) Yes, because he would have access to all this stuff. They’re roommates, so you could get his stuff, drop it wherever.

THEO VON: (01:59:32 – 01:59:37) Is there a picture of Lance anywhere? Yeah, dude, that’s crazy. Candace, what if that’s it? I do—

CANDACE OWENS: (01:59:37 – 02:00:17) that’s my sense, is that Lance is— and I think generally CIA, he’s much more involved. I think he’s blackmailed. He was, troubled kid. He’s kind of the personality you’re looking for, like troubled kid and like into the furry community, which is like you create an avatar of yourself. So there’s something really— some dissociative personality. Definitely got in a lot of trouble, was passed around from his family members, volatile, was addicted to drugs, was into weird internet stuff.

He’s— if I’m CSI, this is the person, the profile of the individual that we’d be looking for. And, there’s a whole entire blackmail system. So if you’re on doing weird stuff on internet. That’s him?

THEO VON: (02:00:18 – 02:00:39) Yes, that’s Lance. I mean, what, what is even fucking going on? And what is he wearing? That car— it’s like a— that’s a furry thing. Oh, they just said these have been on airplanes a lot. This is unbelievable, dude. What is— can we get any other pictures? And do we even know his last name?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:00:39 – 02:00:53) That’s him in the court hearing, like the pre-recorded testimony. Testimony, which they— the defense wasn’t allowed to ask many questions because it was a preliminary hearing. So this looks like a show. It feels like a show. What are the side effects of—

THEO VON: (02:00:53 – 02:00:58) oh, the Lance Twiggs. So that’s him too. And now he’s out. Now he’s on Survivor. No.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:00:58 – 02:01:02) What? Yeah, I think that’s just an old picture of him.

THEO VON: (02:01:03 – 02:01:14) Which Survive— which team was he on? Shooter Twink or whatever. Was he team shooters, twink? What is even fucking happening here?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:01:14 – 02:01:25) Weird. It’s Halloween. Very weird. So it’s Halloween. So it’s all just attack Candace for not accepting, ruining the narrative, I guess, is what it was supposed to—

THEO VON: (02:01:25 – 02:01:51) I ruined the narrative. So by like, by sharing, like bringing this narrative to light, right, that like people think that something else happened. I do believe that people think something else happened, right? Because it seems so— usually if there’s a shooter of somebody that’s a thing. The court case is a huge thing where you’re seeing all of it and you’re like, they’re like trying to get like information from the guy and everything, and it doesn’t— none of that’s even happening. It’s almost like it’s just disappeared completely.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:01:51 – 02:02:20) Well, it’s the actual hearing has to now has to start. So they had the preliminary hearing, which basically is just probative, and they say, well, we have enough evidence to move it forward. And so now the trial of Tyler Robinson will begin. And will you be able to go to the trial? I’m not going I’m not— there’s no chance I’m going to Utah. I will follow it.

I will watch it live. I will do what I do, take notes like I did with the preliminary hearing. You look nice in there. I think there’s some weird stuff happening in Utah.

Candace’s Theory and Turning Point USA

THEO VON: (02:02:21 – 02:02:33) Oh yeah, dude, I’ll tell you there is, because I took an electric bike. My brother lives there, and I e-biked about 2 miles from his house and saw some stuff. But what’s like the 2-minute version of like, what do you think happened to Charlie Kirk?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:02:33 – 02:02:39) I think Charlie was taken out by the deep state. And it was because of his shifting views on Israel. You do? Yeah, that’s my opinion.

THEO VON: (02:02:39 – 02:02:43) And do you think his Turning Point USA people knew that?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:02:43 – 02:03:06) I think it’s hard given everything that we now know a year on and the way, again, their lack of engagement and also blatant lies like Brian Harpole told. It’s hard for me to imagine a scenario where no one in that organization organization knew, or peripheral to the organization knew. It’s hard for me to imagine that.

THEO VON: (02:03:06 – 02:03:07) You’d have to have an insider, kind of.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:03:08 – 02:04:32) I think so. Because otherwise, why not be instantly forthcoming? I mean, again, I’m speaking to common sense here. But yeah, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to hide. So when people— if you said, Candace, what were you doing on September 10th? Here’s my whole phone. I was sitting at the table with the We were working on the show. Savannah came downstairs and told us that Charlie had been shot.

And then we stopped every— you know, so I can’t imagine a scenario where they try to go, oh, well, because the hearing’s going on, that’s why, and people can’t be forthcoming. What would the truth— how could that impact the hearing negatively? Either this person did it or he didn’t. So if you have Candace Owens’ text messages from that day at that time, time and I say, well, I’m not giving them to you because it could, potentially put the case at risk.

That doesn’t make any sense. Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense. How could it put it at risk? It’s going to introduce a fact that means that Tyler Robinson’s innocent. So for me, it— I— everything that he was going through, the way they even lied about that the Israel shift, and I just feel like people only lie when they have something to hide. I do not think everybody around him has their hands clean.

And I think, again, that’s largely— I’ve been vindicated on that opinion with just the UVU independent review. Brian Harpole, what’s up, man?

THEO VON: (02:04:33 – 02:04:35) Why did he lie, do you think, if he lied? I don’t know.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:04:37 – 02:04:38) Why is he suing me?

THEO VON: (02:04:38 – 02:04:43) Is he suing you? Yeah. And he’s saying that you fabricate— that Just that—

CANDACE OWENS: (02:04:43 – 02:05:07) I mean, there’s a bunch of claims, but among it, he stated that I said that I found his interview with Sean Ryan to be unconvincing and that he lied. Well, now you have a whole independent review that says you lied. You have the UVU police chief that says you lied, that you misrepresented the text message, that you weren’t even involved in the text message that you presented.

So you— what are we supposed to think? He got confused? I wonder why he would—

THEO VON: (02:05:07 – 02:05:08) if he did that, why would he do that?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:05:08 – 02:05:16) I wonder why would you go on Sean Ryan, one of the biggest podcasts in the world and think that you’re not eventually going to get exposed for misrepresenting things.

THEO VON: (02:05:17 – 02:05:20) Did Sean think that he lied? He seemed like— or did Sean think he seemed like a believable guy?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:05:20 – 02:05:29) I think Sean just thought this is a big case that he wants to talk about it, and he just sat there and let him talk. And I’m glad he did.

THEO VON: (02:05:30 – 02:05:40) I’m glad he did because— but it seems wild if you didn’t want to say— why even go say anything? I don’t know, you know what I’m saying? If you don’t believe what you’re saying, but maybe UVU’s report is wrong. Do you think it could be?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:05:40 – 02:05:52) I think there’s some— no, I don’t think that report could be wrong because they, again, it was an investigation, so they describe in the beginning what they did, how many hours went into this, sitting down, interviewing, reviewing the messages.

THEO VON: (02:05:52 – 02:06:23) Who was the outside group that did it? And we got to get you out. Lake Forest Group. We got to get you out of here soon. Lake Forest Group. Mhm. Illinois. Lake Forest Group Law firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck. Oh, donkey. Conducted by a consortium of independent experts including the Lake Forest Group and then that law firm as well. Who owns Lake Forest Group, I wonder? Just curious to see who they are.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:06:23 – 02:06:27) I think it’s like Bain Capital actually or something. Bain. Not totally positive though.

THEO VON: (02:06:27 – 02:06:46) I mean, everything fucking Bain Capital is doing the Charlie Kirk— it’s all this crazy thing. Michael Verden, verden. You never know. I mean, it’s it’s all interesting. Oh, 21 years as a U.S. Secret Special Service agent. Wonder if he’d be an interesting guest to talk about that stuff with.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:06:47 – 02:06:54) Hmm. So it’s yeah, and so like again, why wouldn’t they participate in this review? These are the questions that people have.

THEO VON: (02:06:54 – 02:06:55) Why wouldn’t Turning Point USA?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:06:55 – 02:07:04) Yeah, yeah. You have nothing to hide. Just be like look, and I would have instantly gotten in front of it and been here’s some things that we did wrong. There’s a level of arrogance at the organization too that I think is making people sick.

THEO VON: (02:07:05 – 02:07:09) Do you think that they’re happy that Charlie’s out of— like, that’s a crazy question to say. Do you—

CANDACE OWENS: (02:07:10 – 02:07:14) did they look happy at the memorial? Yeah. It’s kind of crazy.

THEO VON: (02:07:15 – 02:07:22) Some of these affairs, some of what they’ve done has been kind of crazy, you would say? Absolutely. I mean, they look happy in some of these instances.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:07:22 – 02:07:34) Yeah. They seem mad now because I feel like the public has turned on them. But like right after the assassination, they were very very bizarrely happy. But do they still have a huge following?

THEO VON: (02:07:34 – 02:07:42) I was confu— like, how big is the following that it’s like— no, it’s collapsed. Oh, it has? Because people are curious what’s going on.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:07:42 – 02:08:28) It seems odd. People know when something’s not authentic, and I think they are blaming me for that. And it’s like, no, guys, we asked you really basic questions. The whole world was on your side, myself included. No one could have imagined a scenario where this organization would collapse within a year, and it’s because of their own arrogance. And now they think that they— we’re friends with Kash Patel, we’re friends with Harmeet Dhillon and the president, and that should be enough.

We’re with the president now. It’s obviously not enough. You need to be forthcoming with information. You need to be— how about exercising some humility? Saying what you did wrong off the bat would have gone a long way. And they’re not even speaking about it at all. They don’t care. They’re just like, we’ve got We are the state now. That’s the vibe, right? From TPUSA?

THEO VON: (02:08:29 – 02:08:29) Mm-hmm.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:08:31 – 02:08:35) It’s— call my friend Vance if you have a question, if you have a question.

THEO VON: (02:08:35 – 02:08:36) And then JD Vance, you mean?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:08:37 – 02:08:46) Shame on you guys for not believing Erika’s emotions. We’re just kind of getting like the wagging finger all the time as opposed to answers that make sense.

THEO VON: (02:08:48 – 02:08:50) Well, you met up with her right after it happened, didn’t you?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:08:50 – 02:09:43) Not right after, but about 4 months later. And that’s when I changed my perspective. Perspective, like my perspective on talking about her and going after her, just because she was then doing the public rounds and she was telling lies. Like she initially said— or you could say she didn’t know— but she said, I have his phone and he was not worried the night before. And now that story has been debunked and she hasn’t come out to clarify or apologize, exercise some humility.

Yeah, actually Candace was right that the night before he was texting people concerns. That’s the arrogance that I think makes people sick, is that you send out all of these bots and people to attack me and to attack my family you know, to create narrative after narrative about George and Candace because you don’t want to tell the truth. And then the truth comes out and your response to it is to attack us again for being right.

That’s, that’s, that’s not going to— it’s not boding well for them, but they’re not trying anything different.

Lawfare and the Upcoming Trial

THEO VON: (02:09:43 – 02:09:46) So do— are they suing you or no?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:09:46 – 02:09:47) No, Turning Point is not yet.

THEO VON: (02:09:47 – 02:09:50) I mean, are you in any lawsuits against other other people?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:09:50 – 02:10:22) No, I don’t. I just tell the truth. I’m not suing anybody. Lawfare is not like thinking I’m going to crush you, I’m going to bankrupt you. Tell the truth. The truth is enough, man. Just, Candace said this. Okay, actually, here’s reality. That should, that should be enough. But when you don’t have an answer to the truth, that’s the route you go. I’ll bankrupt you. I’ll destroy you.

I have lawyers in high places. I have the president on my side. I can get him to tweet That you’re just the most vile person of the year. That’s the mentality. It’s capital.

THEO VON: (02:10:22 – 02:10:46) Yeah. It’s like, it’s kind of just a dark side of somebody having so much capital that they could just keep suing you, keep making you go to court things. Yeah. What do you think? So with Charlie Kirk specifically, there’s so much information around it. You’ve done so much research. Is there any way that the research helps affect anything in the actual case, or do you think this is just for public knowledge?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:10:50 – 02:10:57) I think for sure some of the things that we brought forward that call into question the timeline. Was he in Panguitch?

THEO VON: (02:10:57 – 02:11:00) But will his defense attorneys use any of this stuff?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:11:00 – 02:12:19) Now they have to start looking at all that stuff. So before, it was too early for them to use it because this is the prosecution. Oh, got it. And they’re basically saying to the court systems, we have enough probative evidence that this case should move forward. And you can do that with just hearsay. Now you’re moving to the trial. So, their initial job of the defense is to just get as many charges dropped.

And you’re basically just saying to the court at that time, the state should drop this because of existing laws on the books. They didn’t fulfill this, they didn’t fulfill that, they did this wrongly, whatever. They’re not making an argument. They’re not actually defending Tyler Robinson yet. Now that the state said, no, there’s enough evidence to at least move it forward, now they have to go out, do the research, and issue a defense of Tyler Robinson.

And I would strongly suspect that a lot of the things that we have presented and discovered will be used or come out naturally, of course, and in the course of things it will. That’s their job. I mean, if they’re— if you’re a good defense attorney, your job isn’t to just like follow people’s ideas. I mean, I don’t know if they’re going to explore alternative theories, but they are definitely going to have to get into the timeline where he actually was, if there were other people that were involved, other people that could have been— is this Tyler Robinson on camera or is this somebody else? Right. So we’ll see a lot of that.

Peter Thiel’s Antichrist Lectures

THEO VON: (02:12:20 – 02:12:30) Well, it’s a weird place, existence. Real quick before you go Peter Thiel speaking in town. You know this? Did you hear about this?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:12:30 – 02:12:32) Yes, he’s been doing some weird stuff.

THEO VON: (02:12:32 – 02:12:59) Yeah, what about the Antichrist? Did you think about— because there’s part me was like, let me go see what this is just to even see what’s going on. But then I was like, I don’t know if I even want to be around that energy. Part of me also was like, let me see if he would podcast just to talk, like say, hey, everybody thinks you’re like the scariest guy, or like, or I don’t know, it’s like, do you— if you think somebody’s is like devious, do you talk to them to ask them what’s going on? What is your school of thought?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:12:59 – 02:13:02) I feel like, yeah, I think you should just ask him if he’s the Antichrist.

THEO VON: (02:13:03 – 02:13:07) Peter Thiel draws hundreds downtown for Antichrist lectures. This has been—

CANDACE OWENS: (02:13:07 – 02:13:12) he’s been on this for years, just so you know. Hundreds going across the world.

THEO VON: (02:13:13 – 02:13:13) Oh, I didn’t know that.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:13:13 – 02:13:17) Yes, he’s obsessed with the Antichrist.

THEO VON: (02:13:17 – 02:13:41) A big part of why I’m doing this series is because I believe it is dangerous to focus on just one risk. There’s one existential risk that nobody seems to want to discuss, which I would like to add to the list if we’re going to enumerate existential risks. And that is the risk of a totalitarian one-world government. But why are you saying you’re part of helping us talk about the risks if it seems like some of the stuff he’s allegedly attached to would be the ones that would be the stuff leading us towards that?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:13:41 – 02:13:49) That’s the point. There’s a conflict of interest here, and that would be a great reason why you should interview him and ask him.

THEO VON: (02:13:49 – 02:13:54) And even then, Thiel’s host, a Masonic Lodge, opened the evening by distancing itself from the content of its talks.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:13:54 – 02:14:05) It’s like, it’s just a lot happening. I saw it and I was going, what on earth? Again, we’re at that inflection point. We just are just— what’s go— like, it’s, it’s too much.

THEO VON: (02:14:05 – 02:14:22) Well, and look what it says here. Hunt described Nashville— Davis Hunt a conservative activist, vlogger— described Nashville as one of the last remaining regions in the Western world with authentic Christian beliefs where it still thrives. Huh. When’s that baby? When’s that baby be popping? Hopefully today.

Baby Watch, Castor Oil and Closing Thoughts

CANDACE OWENS: (02:14:22 – 02:14:26) You’re lying. I don’t know, the baby— you don’t get to like to have— the baby doesn’t tell you.

THEO VON: (02:14:27 – 02:14:33) Shut it, cook, man. Mhm. You got to get shorty to cook fast. Get in one of those red light therapy things.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:14:33 – 02:14:38) What, you think that’ll make the baby come out? Yeah, are you kidding? No. Have you had a baby using red light therapy?

THEO VON: (02:14:38 – 02:14:42) No, but imagine that thing, dude. That thing’s going to have nice skin for 2,000 years.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:14:42 – 02:14:43) Do you use it?

THEO VON: (02:14:43 – 02:14:45) I don’t use it, but I’m thinking about getting one.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:14:45 – 02:14:50) Okay, I don’t have one I’ve never done the red light thing. I know that’s like taking off, but you already—

THEO VON: (02:14:50 – 02:14:50) you guys are big.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:14:50 – 02:14:56) Are you talking about like— wait, which red light? You’re talking about when people just put on their face, or you’re talking about the full thing? They have a whole bed.

THEO VON: (02:14:56 – 02:14:56) They have— they do have the face one.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:14:56 – 02:14:59) I’ve never done the bed one. I thought that’s what you were talking about.

THEO VON: (02:14:59 – 02:15:08) The bed one seems kind of cool. I mean, or yeah, or even just one of them. A lot of people are just like putting it— there’s even leggings now that allegedly have it. There’s like all kind of bullshit. I mean, look at this lady.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:15:08 – 02:15:11) What pocket of the internet? Leggings, red light therapy.

THEO VON: (02:15:11 – 02:15:37) There’s red light leggings or or whatever. Never heard of it. It’s supposed to keep your knees from sagging or whatever. I’m like, who the fuck’s knees are sagging? And who gives a shit? Yeah, just sit down. If you bend your leg, your knee doesn’t sag. But yeah, people are just bonkers. But yeah, I just didn’t know, are y’all using any— so like, does— will George massage your stomach at night?

Are you guys doing anything to try to get the baby out? Is there any like— nah, kind of like whenever they’re ready?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:15:37 – 02:15:43) Yeah, something you could really— it’s like it’s ready or it’s not? It’s like putting a chicken in the oven. It’s either cooked or it’s not. Hot. Yeah, do you got to get cooked?

THEO VON: (02:15:43 – 02:15:44) Do you feel close? I have—

CANDACE OWENS: (02:15:44 – 02:16:09) I feel like I have an oven that runs a little cold. Some, some women always have the kids like 36 weeks. I’m like, man, your oven runs hot, so lucky. Mine’s like a little bit like right on time or like a little cold, and I’m just not okay with that right now. So I’m hoping that I’m doing whatever— what I’m doing is I’m doing your podcast, and then I’m going to go do Tim Dillon’s podcast, and then I’ll be expecting results.

THEO VON: (02:16:09 – 02:16:14) Tim Dillon is the— there’s nobody like it, right? There’s nobody more entertaining than him right now.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:16:14 – 02:16:18) So funny. He’s just so funny. He gets away with it.

THEO VON: (02:16:18 – 02:16:28) Yeah, he’s just exceptional. He really is. And he does it— he just— he kind of does it all perfectly. will this be your last baby? You don’t know? I don’t know. I’m Catholic.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:16:28 – 02:16:41) I say it’s the last baby, but you know, I don’t know. Catholics are crazy. And if you— and they’re cute. That’s what it’s weird. Yeah, right. I feel like if you just had some kids that were like not adorable and funny, then you’d be like, okay, let’s just—

THEO VON: (02:16:42 – 02:16:51) yeah, it’s not— what’s in it for me? Yeah, I agree. Any any unique experiences while you’ve been pregnant?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:16:51 – 02:17:23) You get weird dreams. You get pregnancy dreams, and they are on point. You get like visions when you’re pregnant. I like that. Yeah, women will tell you. My— if my sister’s pregnant and she says she had a dream about something, I’m like, “Uh-oh, hopefully it’s a good one.” Bad one, you definitely dream a lot more. And that’s because there’s obviously some association between dreaming and hormones and whatever.

But that is interesting. You start to— like, I’m at the point now where I can almost see the future, get some weird dreams. I had a weird dream last night. I can’t remember what it was. It’ll come to me.

THEO VON: (02:17:23 – 02:17:30) It was a very strange dream. Can you smell anything? I used to know this lady because when she was pregnant, she could smell Copper. She smelled copper real strong.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:17:30 – 02:17:39) A lot of women have like super strength. No, unfortunately for me, that doesn’t— never happens. But you will get a whiff of something and be super nauseous, that’s for sure.

THEO VON: (02:17:40 – 02:17:43) But yeah, can you sleep fully? Do you have to sleep on your stomach?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:17:43 – 02:17:53) No, that’s exactly what you shouldn’t do. That’s exactly what you shouldn’t do. It’s the exact opposite of what you get to— no, you can’t, because you gotta— can you sleep on a ball?

THEO VON: (02:17:56 – 02:17:56) Nope.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:17:56 – 02:17:58) Can you sleep on a basketball, Theo? No, I don’t know.

THEO VON: (02:17:58 – 02:18:10) But I don’t know what you guys are doing, you know what I’m saying? I’m trying to think of what gets it to come out fast. Think about how you would look if you slept like— you’re just like a Bosu ball of a person. You— but hey, I’ll tell you, that thing will be out in a half hour.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:18:11 – 02:18:14) It’ll be out, I’ll tell you that for free. It’ll be out. Exactly.

THEO VON: (02:18:14 – 02:18:20) Is there any smell of something? Can you smell a certain thing that would help? I’m just wondering if there’s like some old wives’ tales Have you looked at some of that?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:18:20 – 02:18:21) Probably. Of what?

THEO VON: (02:18:21 – 02:18:22) Of like how to get that—

CANDACE OWENS: (02:18:22 – 02:18:41) oh, you can induce labor with castor oil. Oh, you can? Yeah, I did it for Louise. No, no, I evicted her. She was sleeping the whole time. She wasn’t there for one appointment. Oh yeah, and she was— it was Tennessee, July. She was overdue by a week. I said goodbye, girl. Bye. No, I walked outside one day and it was like the heat was violent. You know how it gets down here.

THEO VON: (02:18:41 – 02:18:42) And what do you just rub it on your belly?

CANDACE OWENS: (02:18:43 – 02:19:20) No, you just take it. So I took I took more than they even— they suggested 1 tablespoon. I think I did a 4th a cup. Yeah, she flew out. It was my best birth. Oh, it’s fantastic. I told my doctor I was doing it. I was like, because he knows I’m like crunchy in those ways, and so I don’t— like, don’t do it, come take our medicine, our Pitocin, we’ll do it.

I’m like, no, best birth, one push out, slip and slide, castor oil. Oh God, I love that. Yeah, she was out. So she just got evicted. I tell her time, I’m I promise with her I would still be pregnant today. That’s how she gets down. So she was the only kid that got evicted.

THEO VON: (02:19:20 – 02:19:22) Happy early Halloween.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:19:22 – 02:19:28) Thank you. And if anybody does do a Candace costume, please tag us so we can look it up faster. Oh yeah, that’s a good idea.

THEO VON: (02:19:28 – 02:19:29) I don’t know what you’re going to do.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:19:29 – 02:19:38) I feel like I’m so boring. But yeah, I mean, I would be pregnant. I think pregnant. Yeah, be pregnant. Be Black.

THEO VON: (02:19:38 – 02:19:42) Yeah, do a darkish wig or see if you could get a hold of some darker skin.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:19:42 – 02:19:47) Go on to Farmer’s Black Darkened Farmers.

THEO VON: (02:19:47 – 02:20:00) Darkened— I think it was Dark and Farming. Dark and Farming. Or as Mahogany Soil Goddesses, I think was another one. I gotta look it up. Yeah. Thanks for hanging out, Candace. I appreciate you.

CANDACE OWENS: (02:20:00 – 02:20:01) You are so welcome.

THEO VON: (02:20:01 – 02:20:21) And give a hug to George for me. And I’ll see y’all soon.

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