Tucker Carlson on Iran War, Trump’s Diesel Deal – Jimmy Dore Show (Transcript)

Everything about Howard Lutnick was discredited. And all of a sudden, right after the Butler shooting, Howard Lutnick, who a lot of people around Trump didn’t know anything about, becomes in charge of staffing the new administration and fills it up with people like John Ratcliffe and Marco and— right. And you’re sort of like, I think there may be a connection.

I mean, I can’t prove anything, but I was there for all of this. I watched it and I was shocked by it then, but I didn’t understand the significance until February 28th. We went to war with Iran and I realized I think everything else was preparation for that moment. I do think that.

Why Did Trump Shut Down the Butler Investigation?

JIMMY DORE: (00:19:36 – 00:19:42) And so the Butler shooting, Trump famously has closed down that investigation.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:19:42 – 00:19:42) Yes.

JIMMY DORE: (00:19:42 – 00:19:46) And your investigation proved the FBI to be liars about Crooks.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:19:46 – 00:19:47) Yes.

JIMMY DORE: (00:19:47 – 00:19:53) And his presence on social media, among other things. Why do you think—

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:19:53 – 00:20:59) and I brought that to them. I mean, I knew Dan Bongino very well. And I knew Kash Patel. And I called them both and said, “We got this information from a random person who found it on the internet. My tech guys checked it. It’s real. And it shows that Thomas Crooks had a social media profile, and I have part of it. And the previous FBI administration lied about this. And I just want to let you know this.” And I even said, “I’m not attacking you. This was the previous guys. Tell me what you know.” And they immediately attacked me. They attacked me.

And I’m not being whiny or self-pitying or anything, but I was confused because what did I do wrong? I found that the Chris Wray FBI lied about Thomas Crooks. That seems significant. But rather than help me, they attacked me. And that’s when I started pulling on that thread and found out that it was Trump who had shut down the investigation into the Butler shooting.

And then the obvious question any rational person would ask is, why would you shut down an investigation into your own attempted murder? And I still can’t think of an answer other than, you know exactly who attempted to kill you and you’ve made some accommodation with them. What’s the other answer? I can’t find one.

JIMMY DORE: (00:21:00 – 00:21:31) And I agree. And so why do you think that that was the key to get Trump to flip and completely join the people who were persecuting and prosecuting him, the deep state, the Epstein class, which had tried to put him in jail. They put all his lawyers in jail. They put his top political advisor in jail. They had sort— they were trying to put him in jail. And then after the Butler assassination attempt, he flipped. Why? What is it about that that made him flip instead of fight?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:21:33 – 00:23:50) Well, I don’t know. And I’ve asked a lot of different people around Trump. A lot, everyone I know, and I don’t have an answer. But common sense suggests 2 things. One, violence is more prevalent, I think, in global politics than we acknowledge. I don’t think people are getting assassinated left and right every day, but there’s a lot at stake. In fact, the world is at stake and people risk their lives to rob liquor stores for $200. So it stands to reason that with this much at stake, people take extraordinary steps to get what they want.

Okay, that’s obvious. So violence does play a role. People are assassinated. We know that. I mean, it’s not even a controversial point, but we don’t think it could ever happen here. Well, of course it has happened here. We had a president assassinated, more than one, by the way. And so there’s that.

Second, I think it just makes sense that— well, first, I think that the assassination attempt was real. I don’t think there’s a plausible scenario in which a marksman hit him in the ear on purpose. I mean, at that distance, that was an accident. It was clear that Thomas Crooks, controlled by whomever, working with whomever, tried to kill Trump. He didn’t. So at that point, I think it’s very likely that Trump found out who was behind this.

Thomas Crooks did not act alone. He trained on a range within hours of the assassination attempt with somebody else, and that person is on CCTV video, and the FBI has that video and has never released it. I talked to FBI officials about it last year when I did the documentary. “Who is that on the video?” “We’re not going to release that.” Well, why? If the lone— if he really was a lone gunman and he’s dead, there can be no more investigation. So you have no right to hold that evidence, which belongs to the public. On what grounds are you not revealing that?

Of course, they didn’t even answer my question and attacked me. But what is the answer? Clearly, he didn’t act alone, obviously. He had contact with other people. He had a burner phone we’ve never seen. We have no idea who he’s talking to, but the FBI knows, but they’re not telling us because why?

And so I’m just, again, trying to employ reason in order to understand the most likely explanation. And I think it’s kind of obvious what the most likely explanation is. I can’t prove it’s true. I wouldn’t swear to it. But then what’s the alternative explanation for the facts that we know? I can’t even think of one.

The Real Goals of the Iran War

JIMMY DORE: (00:23:51 – 00:25:29) So I’ve said this before. I’ll say it again. You don’t have to endorse this theory whatsoever. Because I’m not sure it’s true. But the only thing that seems to make sense to me is that Trump was going to fight. Trump was being persecuted, prosecuted by the deep state. He was fighting them. That’s why they did Russiagate. That’s why they— all that stuff they did to try to get— they impeached him. They tried to— January 6th, they tried to criminalize his political movement. Which by the way, he has done nothing about, January 6th. In fact, the only thing he’s done is he’s had his Justice Department indict an autistic Black guy who obviously did not plant that bomb.

So my theory was that they made him a deal, right? So Israel came to him and said, “Hey, we want the Iran war.” And what we’ll do. And so because the stick wasn’t working, they decided to sweeten it. And Trump’s a pretty transactional guy. And they said, “Look, we’ll let you do— you can do a— you can enrich yourself to the tunes of billions and your family to the tunes of billions and billions of dollars. We’ll appoint your son-in-law the head of the committee to oversee the building of Gaza. You can make billions. You can put Trump hotels there. You could also do thousands of Wall Street deals. And we’ll make sure that you aren’t investigated for it because we control the Congress.”

And so I think that was the sweet part of the deal that made Trump say, “Okay, I’ll go along with it.” That’s my theory. You could comment on it if you want or not.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:25:29 – 00:27:06) Well, I mean, I don’t— I mean, we know what has happened since the Butler shooting. And so it would be silly to dismiss what you just said as implausible. Of course, it’s entirely plausible. Did it happen? I don’t know. But I do know that threats of violence and violence itself play a role in global politics. Again, we know that. And we also know that everything is at stake.

And if you think that the war in Iran is really about the Iranian nuclear program, then you should just stop reading the news and go do something else because you’re too naive to make sensible judgments. It’s not about the Iranian nuclear program. There wasn’t a meaningful Iranian nuclear program. This is about completely changing the balance of power in the region and the world, of course, getting the United States out of the Middle East, reducing the power of the Gulf states, taking, neutralizing Iran. Yes. But it’s really about massive movements of power. Again, not just in that region, but in the world. It’s destroying Europe, of course, from energy starvation. And it’s gravely weakening the United States.

So these are big aims. And I don’t think, by the way, if someone does something and it keeps having the same effect and he keeps doing it, he’s doing it to achieve that effect. We just know that. Stop lying to me. And it’s had the effect of weakening the United States and the Gulf states. And so that’s a massive project. And if that was your project, if that was your plan, let’s end American empire and crush the GCC, then what wouldn’t you do to achieve it? Right, obviously. So yeah, I think it’s totally plausible what you just said. Completely plausible.

Where Are the No Kings Protests?

JIMMY DORE: (00:27:06 – 00:27:35) I mean, he is making billions through the crypto deals with the Gulf states. He is being allowed to make thousands of insider— appears to be insider trading deals. And the Democrats don’t seem to be screaming about it. So people say, “Oh, when the Democrats take over the Congress in, after the midterms, that they’re going to impeach him right away. For his financial crimes.” And I’m like, well, if they were, don’t you think they’d be talking about it all the time? And they’re not.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:27:35 – 00:28:07) Where are the No Kings protests? That’s my question. We’ve got this war, which is the least popular war in the history of the United States, and there are no mass protests against it. Didn’t we just have the biggest protests ever against Trump? But now, on the eve of a midterm, there are no organized protests about the war, which is the single most unpopular thing Trump has done. The media are not attacking Trump on the war. This, the Democratic bundler class, the Soros people are not attacking him on the war. Why is it? Because they’re for the war. That’s why. Because whatever this is, they’re in favor of it. Obviously.

JIMMY DORE: (00:28:07 – 00:28:17) Obviously. And I saw you say that you told Trump that Israel wants the United States out of the Middle East on top of everything.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:28:18 – 00:29:27) Of course, we’re the real target of this. Of course. What do you think is going to happen? Look, the United States currency, the US dollar, which is the only reason that we’re allowed to spend beyond what we bring in in tax revenues, the only reason we can deficit spend is because we have the global reserve currency. And that’s pegged to oil in the Gulf, specifically Saudi. So whenever you start messing around with that region, you risk really impoverishing the United States, like you can’t, it can’t pay its bills even to its own people. And we’re on the brink of that.

And so I figured that out because— and I’m not particularly smart, but that was just super, super obvious going into this. So I have thought from day one that reducing the power of the United States, making the United States poor, impoverishing its population, that was a goal here. I believe that it’s because that’s the effect. And you can tell me whatever lie you want. But again, if you keep doing something and it achieves the same effect, then I know for a fact you’re doing it in order to achieve that effect. It’s like it, right? I mean, that’s the way to understand the world.

Israel, the West and the Destruction of Europe

JIMMY DORE: (00:29:27 – 00:29:38) Well, Netanyahu said he’s reading a book about a war with Rome and they got to win this. They lost the first one. They got to win this next one. He’s referring to the West, is he not?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:29:39 – 00:29:39) Of course.

JIMMY DORE: (00:29:40 – 00:29:40) Of course.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:29:41 – 00:31:11) Right. And he’s referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 by the Romans. But it’s a longstanding, I mean, the depth of hostility, not simply in Israel, but among its supporters to the West, meaning, well, the English-speaking world in Western Europe, I’m including Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Britain, but also France, Spain, Ireland, and the United States. I mean, it’s a profound hostility, obviously.

And so the world is, look, the United States is, it’s not just Israel’s fault. It’s our leaders are fundamentally the ones, in my opinion, at blame here, but they mismanaged the United States. They created this global empire that we couldn’t possibly sustain that was bad for the world and bad for us. I mean, they did a lot of bad things, but that was coming to an end. And now it’s just been accelerated dramatically by this war and by the war in Ukraine. And that was the point of the whole exercise.

There’s no way that the West is supporting the killing of a million Slavs because they’re really upset about some number of oblasts in Eastern Ukraine. Tell me another. I mean, that’s just absurd. Nobody cares about— they don’t know the names of the oblasts that Russia now controls. They don’t care. And they clearly don’t care about Ukrainians. They don’t care whether Iran has an enrichment program at 30% or 60% or 15%. They don’t even know what that means. What they care about is reshaping the world along lines that they choose. And that’s what they’re doing.

JIMMY DORE: (00:31:11 – 00:32:01) I mean, they even got Israel. I mean, so the UK and Europe finally put sanctions on the expansion of Israel into the West Bank and the violence and terrorism that they’re committing on the people in the West Bank. And again, of course, it’s war crimes, all illegal. Everything about it is illegal. And so finally, the UK and Europe put sanctions on them.

Trump, I don’t know if you know that, has now threatened to put sanctions on the UK and Europe at the behest of Israel because they’re going to do the right thing and sanction Israel over their illegal occupation of the West Bank. That’s, again, it goes right to your point. It seems you’re right that this is about the destruction of not only the United States, but Europe and the UK, right?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:32:02 – 00:33:16) There’s literally no question about it. And by the way, I think within 4 hours of announcing those sanctions, Heathrow Airport shut down due to technical glitches. I happened to be over there when it happened. Not suggesting a connection, but it was curious.

But you’re absolutely right. And the hostility that a lot of policymakers in the United States feel toward Europe, the continent from which we imported wholesale our system, our language, our religion, everything— why do they hate Europe so much? I don’t know. But I do know that the US has been willing, for whatever reason, take a guess, to destroy itself on behalf of a country that doesn’t even like us.

You think Netanyahu likes the United States? Are you kidding? No, he has total contempt for the United States. Total contempt. And others in the Israeli leadership class feel exactly the same way. And we know that because they say it. But we’re willing to destroy ourselves and 250 years of nation creation, this kind of great place that our ancestors built, we’re wrecking it for people who don’t like us.

Describe the psychological pathology here or whatever it is. I don’t even understand it. I really don’t understand it. I thought I understood it, but I— maybe I’m not perverse enough to understand it. I don’t know. And I see it.

Is Trump Under Israel’s Thumb?

JIMMY DORE: (00:33:16 – 00:33:38) And it’s obvious. I don’t know what the reason is exactly, whether it’s Trump is in the Epstein files or because of the donor money he got or because of the money he’s been promised through the reconstruction of Gaza or what. But there’s some reason that he is under the thumb of Israel. That’s indisputable, right?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:33:40 – 00:35:03) Well, he’s a slave, of course. And by the way, you see it in him because Trump does have humanity in him. He does. I mean, obviously, it’s why he was elected. He’s not a robot. He’s not an AI creation. There is a man in there, and it’s a distorted man, weird guy, whatever. But there’s also a real person.

You can see his frustration in this kind of monomania about building the arch or renaming the Kennedy Center or putting a ballroom under these weird fixations he gets, Greenland. All of these are expressions of frustration of a man who can’t actually make the big decisions. That’s what, in my opinion, knowing him well, that’s exactly what that is.

I think it’s, he can’t, what he really wants to do is shut down the Iran War. I don’t think he wanted to go into it in the first place. He had no choice. That was obvious to me talking to him. Obvious. I think he wanted to get out. He said he wanted to get out. He announced we were getting out. And then Israel kept us in by blowing up southern Lebanon. You think Trump doesn’t know that? You think he doesn’t feel deep resentment about that? Oh, he does. Deep resentment.

He feels misled, mistreated by Israel, but he follows their lead anyway. He keeps them in charge. So I guess the mystery is what’s the mechanism by which he’s led around by the nose by a country that’s destroying him, and he knows it. I don’t even know. Is it a spell? I don’t know.

J.D. Vance and the Livestreamed Execution

JIMMY DORE: (00:35:07 – 00:35:32) So did it— it’s— what is in it? So J.D. Vance goes along with this. Yep. Is it because he feels like he has to because he has presidential ambitions? Wouldn’t he be better off to be outside the administration right now criticizing what they’re doing and adhering to the campaign that they ran on? And what’s your take on that?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:35:34 – 00:37:30) Well, again, with the caveat that I have not a full understanding of anything, much less other people’s internal calculations, he is very smart. And so of course he knows that if he’d gone on Rogan the week after and attacked Trump for launching a regime change war against Iran, he’d be the most popular person in the Republican Party now by far. I mean, he knows that. I think he knows that. He would understand that.

So I don’t think it’s political calculation. I think, or maybe it is, but for whatever reason, he said this repeatedly in public, he feels that the vice president’s job is to ratify what the president does, support the president. And so he’s chosen that path.

And I feel so sorry for anybody, any decent person in the administration, because the administration has become thoroughly indecent. I mean, the point at which you announce that you’re going to livestream an execution, okay, that’s when we’re just becoming animals at that point. That’s disgusting. And I’ve seen a lot of people defend it like, “Oh, no, George Washington was for that.” Okay, you don’t need to hear the argument about why that’s bad to know that it is. It’s degrading the killing of a man.

And I’m not defending Nidal Hasan or whatever his name is, the murderer. Of course not. I’m merely saying that we don’t livestream executions up until now because we imagined that we were above that, that we were civilized, that we don’t look on pornographically at another man dying, that we’re better than that. And now the administration is telling us, “No, no, no, no, we know that’ll rate. Watching a guy get shot to death will be a thrill.”

And it’s like, that’s so— that’s such a Rubicon. I think that’s such a— that’s a point that I never thought we would get to, but we’re here. And at that point, you just feel anyone working in the administration when that happens, it’s like, no, I can’t. No.

JIMMY DORE: (00:37:31 – 00:37:31) Well, there’s—

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:37:31 – 00:37:33) I don’t want to be part of that. There’s that live streaming execution.

JIMMY DORE: (00:37:35 – 00:37:43) Well, there’s that saying. I don’t know if it was Nietzsche who said it, but it’s paraphrased as, “When fighting monsters, be careful that you don’t become a monster.”

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:37:44 – 00:37:44) Yes.

JIMMY DORE: (00:37:44 – 00:37:58) And that’s exactly what people don’t realize. It’s not about that guy and our— we don’t have having sympathy for the guy who killed those people on that military. It’s not about that. It’s about us. It’s about we don’t want to become the thing we claim to be fighting.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:37:59 – 00:39:20) That is the deepest and truest thing. What you just said right there. That is absolutely right. And that’s why the New Testament is pretty clear, revenge, hatred, retribution, these are all forbidden to Christians, not because the people we’re mad at don’t deserve our anger, they may, but because it’ll destroy us. Don’t be that person, your soul is in peril when you are. And it’s so easy.

One of the reasons— I spent a lot of my life criticizing, attacking the Israeli leadership, but I’m maybe less judgmental than some people in that I don’t think it’s just Jews who do this. It’s not. It’s everybody is capable of this. We did this after 9/11. You talk yourself into this hysteria about the threats you face and we’re facing extinction because of our freedom. So whatever story, dumb lie you tell yourself, and the next thing you know, you lose all empathy for other people.

Because when you feel you’re under threat, you don’t care about anybody else. When you feel that you’re the victim, you can extend no grace. And I just think that’s in people, okay? So don’t go down that path. In fighting monsters, you can very easily become a monster. As you said, you’re the first casualty. And just don’t go there. But we are going there.

“I Could Say the Stupidest Things and You’d Clap”

JIMMY DORE: (00:39:22 – 00:40:06) I wanted to show you this. So everybody, from Joe Rogan to you to Thomas Massie, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Candace Owens, I could— the list goes on and on of the biggest supporters of Trump have now become disillusioned because they’ve been betrayed, except there’s still a core of people who don’t seem to care that Trump has done a complete 180 on most of the things he campaigned on.

And I just want to play this clip for you. Here he was talking in front of his supporters. I don’t know exactly, was this in Pennsylvania? Well, here he was. And listen to what he says to them and listen to how they cheer. This is kind of mind-boggling. Here it is.

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

DONALD TRUMP: (00:40:07 – 00:40:14) I mean, it’s amazing when you stand up here.

DONALD TRUMP: (00:40:14 – 00:40:16) It’s just like the love.

DONALD TRUMP: (00:40:16 – 00:40:18) I could say the stupidest things and you’d clap.

DONALD TRUMP: (00:40:18 – 00:40:42) I love you so much. But we don’t say the stupidest things. We say things of common sense.

VIDEO CLIP ENDS:

JIMMY DORE: So he’s basically saying you’re sheep and no matter what I say, you’re going to cheer for me. And they did. They laughed and they don’t look— what is the mentality of the people who aren’t outraged at what Trump has done since he’s been elected?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:40:43 – 00:42:45) Well, this is— “I could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue,” right? As he said early in 2016, “and my people would still love me.” I mean, it’s one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen.

I covered Black politics when I was young, 30 years ago. And I covered Sharpton, for example, who I knew really, really well. And I always really liked Sharpton. I still kind of like Sharpton. He’s smart and he’s funny or whatever, but he’s totally corrupt. He’s obviously on the make. He’s kind of— yes, basically a criminal. Always has been that.

And I would always think to myself, why do people support Sharpton? And the truth is that a lot of his supporters knew exactly who he was. Some of them are kind of embarrassed by him, but they felt that no one else was standing up for them and they felt under attack. And they felt like, “Sharpton’s obviously kind of a buffoon. He’s fat. The medallion, whatever, this whole thing. But he’s got our back. He doesn’t judge us. He loves us.” And they would therefore forgive anything in him.

And what bothers me so much about the support for Trump is that I know a lot of the people— I live in an area with a lot of Trump supporters, the people I love, and they feel that nobody cares about them at all. And he’s their last chance. And Trump knows that they feel that way about him. And he has contempt for them for loving him. That’s the truth.

If you give Trump your undivided loyalty, he has contempt for you because he hates himself. I’ve watched this close hand for so long. The people who love him, who suck up to him, he demands obsequiousness. He demands total loyalty. “Get prostrate before me and worship me as a god.” But the second you do that, he waves you off the back of his hand.

So it’s like— and it’s all rooted in the fact that Trump despises himself. He’s the most insecure person ever. That’s all of it. That’s why he poses as an egomaniac, because he’s not at all. He’s the opposite. He’s a deeply insecure person. I mean, this is obvious, I guess. But his mistreatment of the people who feel they have no other defender is really contemptible, I think.

JIMMY DORE: (00:42:46 – 00:42:50) Wow, that’s a pretty, pretty good analysis, I think. Nice job.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:42:50 – 00:42:53) I’ve watched it for a long time, over 10 years.

Breaking the Fake Left-Right Divide

JIMMY DORE: (00:42:54 – 00:44:38) It’s sad to see. I get that. I kind of get that people saying, “Well, Trump’s not going to judge us.” And of course, they’ve also been hoodwinked into this left-right paradigm, which isn’t real anymore. They all— I mean, I’ve noticed. Right. So it’s like, “Well, Trump is our firewall against—” I see a lot of people tweeting about the midterms. “We can’t let the Democrats take over.” Again, no matter who you vote for, you end up getting John McCain. And so it doesn’t seem to matter.

We get more war, we get more looting of the US Treasury by the military-industrial complex and Wall Street. We get higher drug prices, people going bankrupt from trying to get an education. And when they get sick, it just— there’s just no— this left-right paradigm. Do you think there’s a way to kind of wake people up that this is a game?

Because Michael Parenti said that the only thing that the establishment and the oligarchs care about is what you think. And the reason why that is, is because if you think your neighbor is your enemy, then you’re going to fight your neighbor and they can go on unabated. But if you realize that your neighbor is suffering under the same oligarchy that you are, you’ll join with them to oppose them. And that’s really all that matters.

And so that’s why they put so much stock into this. And that’s why the trans issues and the whatever. These are what they call wedge issues for a reason, because they divide people and they’re not real. They don’t come from the grassroots. They come from the top down. And do you think there’s any hope to get people to realize that they’ve been hoodwinked into this fake left-right divide and that your neighbor is not your enemy?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:44:40 – 00:46:53) Well, I think a couple of things. One, I think that Parenti quote is brilliant. And I first heard it from you. I’ve been thinking about it ever since. And I think you’re absolutely right. It makes more effective cadres when you have control over what people think. But I also think that there’s a kind of ritual aspect to this. There’s a kind of humiliation. There’s a need to dominate other people completely in order to feel godlike.

And so physical domination is not that hard. I mean, I can pull out a gun and make you dance like a monkey. But I can’t erase the insolence from your eyes. I mean, I can look at you and know that you’re not fully on board with the program. You’re just pretending because I’m pointing a gun at you. I think they need to have true compliance. You have to believe that 2 + 2 is 5, or they’re not satisfied.

And they test you by rolling out the vaccine and being like, “No, it’s safe and effective,” even as your next-door neighbor just had a heart attack from it, or “Yes, a man can become a woman,” when you’re like, “Actually, that’s just not true biologically.” And they’re like, “Yes, it is. Repeat after me.” And they need to keep making you repeat until you believe it. Because at that point, they are truly in charge.

That is the one joy left in the lives of decadent people. How much sex can you have? How many billions can you make? None of it really makes you feel alive. But controlling the brains of other people, I mean, that’s a godlike power. And so I do think that’s one of the main motivators in all of this.

Can people fight against it? They’re pretty sophisticated. I mean, there are all these extreme extremist groups that are actually run by the deep state. Why do they exist? To push people in the other direction. So we’re manipulated all the time by lies, by propaganda, by violence, by false flags, by all this stuff. Because again, everything is at stake.

So for those who are like, “Oh, you’re just imagining it,” it’s like, no, no, no, this is control of the world. What wouldn’t people do to gain that? Well, they would do anything, including drop atom bombs, as they once did. So we understate to ourselves their commitment and their ruthlessness.

A Third Party and the Power of AI

JIMMY DORE: (00:46:56 – 00:47:17) And so one of the things that’s trying to break this left-right divide is when I saw this picture of you sitting around a table with people like Massie and Joe Kent, and they’re talking about starting a third party. Is that still on the table?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:47:19 – 00:49:05) Well, I think everything’s on the table. I mean, so we’ve got the midterms in just 3 weeks, and 3 weeks from today, actually. Or tomorrow. And I just think we’ll know a lot more then, leaving aside to what extent elections reflect the sentiment of the public, or they’re honest, or on the level, or electronic voting machines, or all that. They’re still probably the best measurement that we have. And so I think we’ll see, we’ll understand a lot more by mid-November about where the country’s going and what people want.

But it’s clear to me that both parties are aligned on the big topics. I mean, of course, which is to say foreign policy and economic policy. They don’t have different views at all. They fight on the margins. And that would be, I guess, okay if their views on foreign policy and the economy were helping people and most people agreed.

If 80% of Americans were for the Iran War, I would still oppose it. But at least I would say, okay, it’s a function of democracy. The majority wants something crazy. But there’s nothing I can do about it. It’s not illegitimate. It’s just stupid. But when you destroy human lives and tens of billions of dollars doing something that nobody wants, not only is it dumb, it’s not legitimate. It’s in some moral sense illegal. You don’t have the mandate of the owners of the country who are the citizens. So what right do you have to do this? You have no right to do this.

And I feel that about a lot of different things the federal government does. People don’t want this, therefore you’re not allowed to do it, but you’re doing it anyway because you have all the guns. And when you start to see the world that way, man, it’s scary. This is not legitimate. Now let’s just start there.

JIMMY DORE: (00:49:07 – 00:49:33) And so the question I have about any party, including a new third party, is funding. So they’re all— So we have unlimited money now because of Citizens United, and look what they did to Thomas Massie with unlimited money. So you can pretty much do what you want if you have more money. How would you fund a third party without taking— getting in bed with those same people you’re fighting against?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:49:35 – 00:50:48) Well, you could never do that. I mean, you could never be controlled, especially by foreign interests. Miriam Adelson, the American. Of course, you could not do that. But I think it’s kind of like the funding is the mandate. If you can’t convince people to donate enough money to run for president, maybe you shouldn’t run for president. That part doesn’t bother me quite as much.

What bothers me is the technology. Technology is changing very fast. And one of the underrated abilities of AI, but it’s just, if you think about it, it’s intuitive. It’s its ability to convince people. It’s based on a large language model. I mean, the key to AI is its fluency with language, and language is persuasion, which is power. So the propaganda opportunities inherent in AI are hard to imagine but easy to fear, and I do fear them.

And so that is, I wonder, how will it be employed? It’s not even a matter of changing the vote tabulation. It’s a matter of convincing people of things that are not true. And AI, I suspect, will have awesome, unprecedented abilities to do that.

Socialism, Taxes and a Fair Economy

JIMMY DORE: (00:50:49 – 00:51:50) And so what would— so I just wanted to show— I saw this, Fetterman tweeted this out. There’s a new poll. Democrats have a more positive view of socialism than capitalism by a whopping 26 points. And he says, “This is lunacy.” But what I try to remind him is that 67% of US consumers said they lived paycheck to paycheck in 2025. That’s almost 7 out of 10 Americans, a figure that climbed above 70% at points during the year. And 53% of Americans cannot cover a $1,000 emergency from savings. 24% have no emergency savings at all. And that’s about roughly 180 million Americans.

So if you combine those, so what would be your ideas for a third party? How would you address the economic cave, caving in of the United States where we have now just rich and poor and our middle class is being decimated? What do you have any ideas?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:51:52 – 00:52:59) Well, I have a lot of ideas, but I would just say socialism is like the word Islam. Am I in favor of radical Islam and jihadism? Obviously not. Am I in favor of Soviet-style socialism? Obviously not. Am I in favor of faithful people who pray to God multiple times a day? Yeah, I’m not threatened by that. Am I in favor of a kind of balanced Norway 1995? If that’s socialism, I could probably live with that, functional, clean country where people have respect for each other. And you’ve got some rich people and some poor people, but mostly people are pretty middle class. If that’s socialism, I mean, these aren’t actually descriptions of real things. They are bumper stickers designed to scare us in a certain direction.

So what would I do? I mean, the very first thing you do is equalize the tax code. There’s no reason. In fact, there’s— the reason we never have this conversation is because it’s indefensible. We tax investing at half the rate of working. So that right there keeps me up thinking about how unfair that is. I’m not much of an investor. So I’m on the wrong side of that because I just have a job.

JIMMY DORE: (00:52:59 – 00:52:59) Okay.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:52:59 – 00:55:45) But even if I was an investor, I would say if you tax investing at half the rate of labor, that means that you think investing is twice as virtuous as working, but it’s not. So if I inherit money or if I’m in private equity and I’m taking my salary through the carried interest loophole and just, it’s like, oh no, everybody pays the same tax rate. There’s no reason that I should pay twice the tax rate as someone who inherited money and is living off a portfolio and its dividends. Okay, so that’s the first thing I would do. And that’s a meaningful thing, by the way. But I would just equalize it.

So it’s not like— and obviously you have to have antitrust. You can’t have functioning markets with monopoly players. Obviously, obviously. By the way, even the Austrian economists would say that. They did say that, that the market’s great, free market is magic and all this stuff, but you can’t let it be crowded out and destroyed by monopolies because then it can’t function. Of course.

But mostly what I’m opposed to are massive concentrations of power. And massive concentrations of wealth is the same as massive concentrations of power. It’s not a matter of hurting rich people, especially honest rich people who did something good. But you cannot continue to live in a society where a lot of rich people, maybe the majority, are involved in businesses that just exploit the weakness of fellow human beings.

So it’s not like I got rich because I invented the Model T. It’s that I got rich because I’ve got a government-backed student loan company that just puts the public on the hook for all the risk. I get all the upside or I’m hooking people on some drug. Do you know what I mean? Some pharma company or some gambling company, it seems like increasingly, not all, but a lot of our richest citizens got rich by taking advantage of, shafting, and in some cases killing the rest of us.

And then the third thing I would do is take all of the rest of the Sacklers’ money and take their name off the art gallery immediately in Washington at the Smithsonian. If you poison knowingly and it came out in court documents, we can prove this. You knew you were killing people with your drug, but you kept selling it anyway. I’m sorry, lights out for you. You’re not allowed to destroy Appalachia, the oldest region in the country. You’re not allowed to do that.

And they did kill hundreds of thousands of people. They were never really punished for it. They’re still billionaires. A little bit of justice goes a long way because it sends a message to the rest of us. No, everyone has to follow the rules here. Everyone has to pay the same tax rate. We’re all in this together. They’re not special rules for you just because you are Leon Black or whatever. Everybody follows the same rules. That’s really important— fairness.

JIMMY DORE: (00:55:45 – 00:56:47) You’re making the point about monopoly power and how you get rich off of wrecking other people. And that happened— it’s bipartisan, by the way. So when Barack Obama got elected, he got more money from Wall Street than John McCain did, and he went on to kick 10 million people out of their houses while he made the banks whole, and they didn’t miss a bonus payment.

And so— and Steve Bannon has said that the way they did that made it impossible for the next generation of people to own a house. And here we are living in that prediction that he said back in 2012, and here we are, we’re living it. So, I mean, Barack Obama could have taken that money, given it to the homeowners, had them put it in the bank, and could have made both of them— but that’s not how it works.

The banks run the country, and so he works for them, not us. That’s the way it always— the people, the presidency, the Congress, they are middle managers. Capital sits above the government, which is the opposite in China, which is why they have cities that are 30 years ahead of us. Not that I’m endorsing communism, that I’m endorsing—

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:56:47 – 00:56:48) No, but I get it. You’re right.

JIMMY DORE: (00:56:48 – 00:56:49) And so you’re right.

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:56:49 – 00:57:44) There’s nothing you said is wrong. It’s also true in Russia. He kicked out the oligarchs. That’s why they hate him. They’ve been funding a PR campaign against him ever since. No, I know that’s a prerequisite because otherwise you get a society that’s too unfair.

So apart from a specific economic system, whatever you call it, socialism, free market, it doesn’t even matter. What you need is a fair system that people participate in voluntarily. Otherwise, you have 2 choices. Either you watch as the system falls apart when nobody pays his taxes, nobody follows the law, or you have to go full fascist to keep it. You need a police state to compel people to participate in it.

And so the only way you can really run a functioning, happy society is voluntarily. And the only way you can get people to voluntarily participate is if they think it’s fair. And if it’s demonstrably unfair, you have to do something about it. Even if your donors, like Miriam Adelson, whose money all comes from gambling—

JIMMY DORE: (00:57:46 – 00:57:47) gambling—

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:57:47 – 00:58:14) even if they don’t like it, you have to say, “I’m sorry, we’re going to make it fair.” Fair and sort of decent. Doesn’t have to be perfectly virtuous. It’s a government, not a church. But it can’t just be openly disgusting. “Yeah, we’re going to sell kratom” because some cabinet secretary has big investments in kratom. That’s a fact, I think. And people know that. They know it’s a scam. And that can’t last long under those circumstances.

Can Workers Rise Up Against the Oligarchs?

JIMMY DORE: (00:58:15 – 00:59:37) I mean, do you think people will be able to rise up against this system? Because even again, I pointed out Barack Obama, the Democrats are supposed to be the friend of unions and working people. And then when Barack— when Joe Biden was president, the railroads union was going to go on strike and they were going to win that strike. In about 3 days.

And so the Democrats, not the Republicans, the Democrats who are seen to be the friend of unions and workers, made it illegal for them to go on strike because they knew they were going to win that strike. And that would’ve set a template for the rest of the country, would’ve sent out a message, “Hey, we’re more powerful than they are.” And so they had to crush it and they did crush it.

And so do you see there’s a way of workers ever rising up and taking our democracy back? What I’ve said is that we have to get the railroad workers, the truck drivers, the port workers. If they don’t go to work for a few days, that puts a hurt on the system. All right. So the machine stops and then you have to have a demand. And the demand would be no billionaire money in politics, no corporate money in politics. And if you have to pass a constitutional amendment to do it, you have to do that because we all know that a protest without a demand is a psyop, which is what those No Kings protests are. Because there’s no demands connected to them.

So do you think there’s any way— do you see a way for people to rise up and take back our government and get it out of the hands of the oligarchs and the Epstein class?

TUCKER CARLSON: (00:59:38 – 01:01:47) I want there to be one. And the short answer is I don’t see one. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. I mean, clearly AI is designed to remove any power that labor once had, not just organized labor, but just the labor of your hands, the things that you do. Human initiative becomes irrelevant. At least as projected under a world governed by AI. So at that point, what power do you have? None. And so you hope it doesn’t get to that point.

I’m not exactly sure what the mechanism is for restoring balance to the system, but I know for a dead certain fact, it begins with telling the truth boldly without shame at all. And always keeping in mind that no matter what they say to you, you’re not the criminal. You’re not the one who committed genocide in Gaza or destroyed America’s middle class. You’re not the one who offshored its manufacturing to foreign countries or lost control of the border or made people take a shot that gave them heart attacks. You didn’t do any of that. They did it.

And so once you raise a voice against what they’re doing, you’re immediately— pick a term, but they slander you as a bad person. But don’t fall victim to the moral vertigo. “No, no, no. I didn’t— whatever my faults, which are many, I did not do any of those things you did. Let’s just keep it really clear. You are the criminal.” And by that, I mean Donald Trump and everyone else, Chuck Schumer and everyone else running this system, which is clearly hurting the people governed by it. They are the criminals.

And so as long as you can continue to say that out loud and hopefully without hostility or calls to violence, but just honestly and clearly, I think there’s hope. I do think there’s hope because if enough people’s minds are changed, the system does change. But Americans are very nice and kind of passive. And I do think a lot of Americans have been convinced there’s nothing they can do. So it’s not even worth paying attention.

And that is clearly the result of a psyop designed to get them to give up and resign themselves to rule by robots or whatever’s coming next. But I hope people won’t give up. I mean, it’s always worth telling the truth out loud, if for no other reason than the pure animal joy of telling the truth, which is a real joy.

The Free Palestine Banner and Israel’s Future

JIMMY DORE: (01:01:48 – 01:02:47) So I just wanted to show you this. Now, everybody’s aware of Ed Sheeran and his bump up against Robert Kraft, a Zionist billionaire who owns venues, and they made him fire his opening act. And then the rest of his opening acts quit and his band even quit on him. And this just happened on Sunday. “Free Palestine” banner was flown over the Gillette Stadium, which is Kraft owns that during the Patriots-Raiders game. And it was done by a bunch of Boston locals who are pissed off at Kraft. And here it is. So if you can’t see it here, there it is.

So what do you— so I had Colonel Wilkerson on last week, and he said that he doesn’t think Israel is going to survive as a Jewish state. Would you agree with that? Or what do you think that this signals? Because this would have never happened a couple of years ago, but here we are.

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:02:48 – 01:05:10) No, I think Israel murdered hundreds of thousands of people since October 6th, but really in the end killed itself. Of course, it’s the most unpopular country in the world. And I think that matters. Now, I think a lot of Israel, and I know a lot of Israelis, a lot of Israelis are convinced it doesn’t matter. “People hate us for irrational reasons. They hate us, but it’s their problem. They’re the bad ones.” I mean, it’s classic narcissism. It’s everyone’s fault but yours.

But on some level, I think they know that it does matter, of course, to be this isolated when you’ve got 9 million people and no resources. And you’ve got a nuclear arsenal, but so do a lot of other people. So does Pakistan. You know what I mean? It’s not— that’s not actually enough to guarantee your survival.

So I have thought for a long time, for years, and just started saying it publicly because you don’t want to hasten its occurrence. But I think the real threat is the Temple Mount, which is right in the middle of Jerusalem. It’s where apparently the Second Temple stood before it was destroyed in 70 AD. And on that site is famously the Dome of the Rock, one of the most holy places in Islam. And there have been a lot of attempts to blow that up by Israelis, Israeli extremists, and they’ve been stopped by the Israeli government. Well, now the Israeli government is controlled by extremists.

So if that were to happen, if someone were to destroy that, and I pray it doesn’t happen as a non-Muslim, but I don’t think you should destroy things, especially beautiful things, especially other people’s religious monuments or religious leaders for that matter. But whatever. If that were to be destroyed, I think its fate would be sealed. I hope that doesn’t happen, but I think that could happen. I have long thought that, and I can promise you that a lot of people in the Levant, in that area, worry about it a lot.

But we’re moving toward that. I mean, they’ve taken over the Temple Mount. They have no right to do that, by the way. It’s not theirs. It doesn’t belong to the Israelis. It never has. But they’ve been taking it over and storming it and kicking people out and saying prayers there. That’s where the world ends, is there on the site of the Second Temple, on the place where I think Jews and Muslims believe the world began, the place where Abraham brought Isaac to be sacrificed. That place, the Foundation Stone on the Temple Mount. I mean, I’ve always thought if things come apart, it’ll start there for sure.

Christians, Muslims and the 9/11 Files

JIMMY DORE: (01:05:12 – 01:05:21) And it seems to me that a cynical ploy of the Zionists was to get Christians to fight Muslims for them.

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:05:22 – 01:05:26) And yes, I think a lot of us are waking up to that.

JIMMY DORE: (01:05:26 – 01:05:34) Yes, right. And so this whole, this animosity between Christians and Muslims is manufactured by Zionists, right? Would you agree with that?

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:05:35 – 01:07:16) A lot of it. I mean, historically, I mean, I think the Ottoman Empire kidnapped a ton of Christians, particularly women and children, good-looking women from Eastern Europe. From the Caucasus. But yeah, certainly now, particularly in the Levant and the Gulf, there are more Christians living in Doha, Qatar than live in Israel right now. And the churches in Doha, Qatar were donated by the government of Qatar.

Now, I know you’re required to hate Qatar and all that stuff, because that’s for some reason, because Israel doesn’t like Qatar. But that’s just a fact. So I mean, there’s a huge— I think there’s a bigger Christmas celebration in Abu Dhabi than there is in Chicago. So it’s complicated. These are Muslim countries. They’re not Christian countries, but they’re certainly not al-Qaeda countries, or at least they’re not the al-Qaeda we learned about where they lived to kill Crusaders or whatever. That’s just not true. So yeah, I think there’s been a lot of psyoping going along on.

And the last thing I’ll say, which you of course know and you’ve talked about a lot, is if 9/11 was exactly what they told us it was, why haven’t they released the files? Why is this still classified if we’ve already solved the mystery? Because they’re protecting sources. What sources? What are you even talking about? Declassify the 9/11 documents, which no one’s even calling for or has ever called for. But it’s been 25 years. What’s your excuse?

And then the rest of us will just know if it was 19 Arabs with box cutters. Great. I’d be happy with that explanation, by the way. If it was a little bit more complicated than that or a lot more complicated than that, then I have a right to know about it. And above all, want to know who bet against the airlines and the banks in the days before 9/11, who had foreknowledge. Well, the FBI knows their identities and has hidden it for 25 years.

JIMMY DORE: (01:07:16 – 01:07:16) Why?

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:07:17 – 01:07:35) Why can’t we know that? Who had foreknowledge of the biggest terror attack in American history? So I’m just sick of this. I’m sick of the lying. I’m sick of the gaslighting. I’m sick of the weird narcissistic inversion where you get blamed for asking questions of criminals. I’m just tired of it. And so are most people. And we could— let’s end this.

Ben Shapiro, Turning Point USA and the Noahide Laws

JIMMY DORE: (01:07:36 – 01:07:49) So one last thing I want to run past you now. Steve Bannon gave a speech at TPUSA’s AmFest right after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, and he said this.

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

STEVE BANNON: (01:07:50 – 01:08:12) Shapiro is like a cancer, and that cancer spreads. It’s a cancer, and it metastasizes. He tried to take over Breitbart and I ran him out of there. He tried to take over David Horowitz’s, who was his mentor. Don’t ask me, ask the guys associated with David Horowitz what he did there.

STEVE BANNON: (01:08:13 – 01:08:14) He tried to take that over.

STEVE BANNON: (01:08:14 – 01:08:21) And mark my word, he will make a move on Turning Point because he’s always been envious of Charlie Kirk.

VIDEO CLIP ENDS:

JIMMY DORE: (01:08:23 – 01:08:37) Well, lo and behold, here he is. On tour with TPUSA, and he’s encouraging Christians to follow the Jewish religion. I just want to play this for you, get your—

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

BEN SHAPIRO: (01:08:38 – 01:08:40) As a Jew, we—

BEN SHAPIRO: (01:08:40 – 01:08:50) I mean, just Jewish belief— we don’t believe that you have to be Jewish in order to get into heaven. It’s a kind of a distinction between Judaism and many other religions. In fact, when people try to convert to Judaism, we tell people not to because it turns out kind of sucks.

BEN SHAPIRO: (01:08:51 – 01:08:55) As you may have noticed, it kind of puts a target on your back in a lot ways.

BEN SHAPIRO: (01:08:55 – 01:08:57) Plus there are a bunch of onerous rules that you have to follow.

BEN SHAPIRO: (01:08:58 – 01:09:07) And so we tell people that you really— if all you guys, if you’re not Jewish, all you have to do is fulfill 7 basic rules. They’re called the Noahide Laws. They’re expressed in the Book of Genesis. They’re very basic things.

BEN SHAPIRO: (01:09:07 – 01:09:08) Don’t kill anybody, please.

BEN SHAPIRO: (01:09:08 – 01:09:14) Don’t do kidnapping. Don’t do theft. Don’t eat the flesh of a living animal. Don’t commit sexual immorality. Don’t blaspheme.

BEN SHAPIRO: (01:09:15 – 01:09:15) These are—

BEN SHAPIRO: (01:09:16 – 01:09:24) Believe in God. These are the very basics. If you do those things, you’re in heaven. So I mean, why would you possibly want to buy into a system that requires 613 laws and a wide variety of restrictions.

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JIMMY DORE: (01:09:26 – 01:10:15) So that seems bizarre. It seems like Steve Bannon’s prediction is coming true to a certain extent, that he’s definitely trying. And one of those Noahide laws is against idolatry, which a lot of people interpret that, that they say that if you worship Jesus, that’s idolatry. So that’s the irony there.

And here’s one more reason why he doesn’t want you to look into those 613 laws is because on 6/11 is always to remember what Amalek did, that the evil done to us by Amalek shall not be forgiven and to destroy the seed of Amalek. So that would probably be a big reason why he doesn’t want you to look into those 613 rules, because that means wiping out and genocide. Any response to any of this?

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:10:17 – 01:12:36) Well, I mean, I kind of like the previous arrangement we had in this country where, which was the WASP arrangement, where we didn’t sort of press people on their religious views. We could all kind of live in peace. It didn’t always work, but it worked pretty well, really, most of the time.

But now that you have people like Ben Shapiro screeching on about Sharia, “Sharia is the threat. Sharia is the real threat.” They’re mad that Sharia bans usury, obviously. But I don’t want to live under Sharia. I’m a Christian. But as long as we’re so opposed to Sharia, here’s a guy proposing a legal code in which my religion would be illegal.

And according to Maimonides, who I think is a pretty good authority on it, I think— correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Christianity would qualify as idolatry because Jesus is certainly not considered a god in Judaism. In fact, it’s very offensive even to use his name in a lot of quarters in Israel, in modern Israel. So that would reduce Christians to a second-class status or criminal status punishable by beheading.

So again, I’m not attacking the Noahide laws. Most of them seem kind of sensible to me, but they are specific to somebody else’s religion. It’s not my religion. I’m not trying to impose my religion. I’m not inviting non-Christians to communion all the time. What is this? The rules are changing really fast.

And the second people stand up and start attacking Sharia law and Islam, not radical Islam, not al-Qaeda, I get it, I’m opposed. But 2 billion Muslims on the basis of their religion, I couldn’t find that more disgusting. And I’ve basically kind of blown up my life because I’m now an Islam defender when of course I’m not a Muslim and I’m not going to become a Muslim. I don’t agree with Islam. But even more, I disagree with attacking faithful people who are minding their own business, worshiping their own God and bothering no one else, attacking them for their religion.

That’s not my culture. That’s not the culture that founded this country, that welcomed his ancestors and mine to this country. And he’s trying to change it where there are religious tests or something. It’s disgusting. And my ancestors who did found the country understood that. He doesn’t. And I really resent it because it makes this country more volatile. More hateful. They’re turning— they’re importing the hate from across the world into my country and making it a much crappier place to live. And I’m just not ever going to go along with that, ever.

Driverless Trucks and the Value of Human Life

JIMMY DORE: (01:12:38 – 01:12:45) I agree with you on that. So I know we have to let you go, but I just— this is one of my favorite clips of yours. Do you mind if I play it?

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:12:46 – 01:12:46) No, of course.

JIMMY DORE: (01:12:46 – 01:13:25) Okay, so this is when you’re being interviewed by Ben Shapiro and he asked you about driverless trucks and wouldn’t that be a good thing because capitalism and all that. And here’s what you said. It’s kind of stunning.

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

BEN SHAPIRO: The question is when the pedal hits the metal, you talk in the book about technology and how it’s shifting and taking away jobs from folks. And you make specific reference to truck driving and the fact that there are going to be these automated cars on the roads. So would you, Tucker Carlson, be in favor of restrictions on the ability of trucking companies to use this sort of technology specifically to sort of artificially maintain the number of jobs that are available in the trucking industry?

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:13:25 – 01:14:41) Are you joking? In a second. In a second. In other words, if I were president, what I say to DOT, Department of Transportation, “We’re not letting driverless trucks on the road, period.” Why? Really simple. Driving for a living is the single most common job for high school-educated men in this country, in all 50 states. By the way, that’s the same group whose wages have gone down by 11% over the past 30 years. The social cost of eliminating their jobs in a 10-year span, 5-year span, 30-year span is so high that it’s not sustainable.

So the greater good is protecting your citizens from— look, capitalism is the best economic system I can think of, I think, that anyone’s ever thought of. But that doesn’t mean that it’s a religion and everything about it is good. No, but there’s no Nicene Creed of capitalism that I have to buy into. What I care about is living in a country where decent people can live happy lives, actually.

And so no, I would say immediately, “No, are you joking?” And I maybe would make up some pretext for public consumption like, “Oh, they’re dangerous, the technology’s not quite finessed.” No, no, but the truth would be, I don’t want to put 10 million men out of work because you’re going to have 10 million dead families and the cascading effect from that will wreck your country.

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JIMMY DORE: (01:14:42 – 01:14:59) So that seems like a very sensible idea. What do you make of people who don’t have any problem throwing 10 million Americans out of their job at the altar of, quote unquote, “capitalism” so someone who owns a company could make a little bit more money, a billionaire can make a little bit more money?

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:15:00 – 01:16:59) Well, at first I just thought at the time, that was almost 10 years ago, and I never met Ben Shapiro and wasn’t impressed at all, but he was really young and I thought he doesn’t know. I mean, he buys into this crap he learned in school. And he signed on to some economic program, and he mistakes it for theology, which is why I made that point. It’s not a religion. We bend it to suit our needs, not the other way around, right?

This is like Jesus said this to the Pharisees all the time. “Yeah, I’m healing on the Sabbath because healing people is more important than your rules.” That is a Christian understanding of what’s most important. People are most important. So at the time, I was like, he just doesn’t get it.

Having 10 years later watched this country move in the direction it has, I’ve concluded that hurting people is part of the thrill for guys like Ben Shapiro. They just don’t care about people. And you see it in the way he talks about war. “We’ll just nuke them.” “Yeah, people died, but you’re whining about gas prices. Get some patriotism. Get on board now.” They just sincerely don’t care about other people, or at least most people. Certain people are really important.

Here’s the bottom line. Guys like Shapiro, and there are many of them in our country, don’t see all lives as equally valuable. That’s it right there. We’re starting from a different place. I believe that every human life, even people I don’t like, don’t share my religion or race or language, I may not like them. I don’t want to live next to them, eat dinner with them. But God created all of us. Therefore, all of our lives are of identical value. That’s the underpinning of Western civilization. That’s the core idea behind what— that’s what makes us different from the East.

And Ben Shapiro does not share that view. And neither do a lot of our leaders. The Israelis, of course, never— that never even occurred to them. One Israeli life is worth 1,000 foreign lives. But that’s not my civilization and that’s not my worldview. That’s not my core belief. And Ben does not share my view. And so if we kind of shaft an entire class of people and maybe they die of drug ODs, but I don’t know, everyone I know gets rich. So it’s pretty good. I just don’t see the world that way.

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:17:00 – 01:17:00) I just don’t.

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:17:00 – 01:17:01) And I never will.

Would Tucker Carlson Run for President?

JIMMY DORE: (01:17:02 – 01:17:04) Would you consider running for president?

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:17:06 – 01:17:30) No, I think I’d be horrible. I mean, I’m totally emotionally incontinent. I can’t control what I say. I just can’t stop talking. I have no verbal discipline. I don’t really understand politics very well. And but above all, I just have contempt for every part of it. And I don’t think I could keep that to myself. I don’t think I could do a photo line with someone, wanted me to be like, “No, really, we need to worry about Taiwan.”

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:17:31 – 01:17:32) It’s like, shut up.

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:17:32 – 01:17:37) Taiwan? Are you kidding? So I don’t think I’d be very good at it.

JIMMY DORE: (01:17:38 – 01:17:55) I agree. All right, Tucker, I really appreciate you spending time with us on the show. You’re very generous. It’s always great to talk to you. I really, I got such good feedback from the last time I was on your show. I couldn’t be more grateful. And thanks for letting me talk about Carl Jung and my spiritual journey.

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:17:56 – 01:18:10) That was my favorite. That was my favorite segment I’ve done in a year. That Jung stuff was, I was so ignorant of that. I didn’t, I don’t know how I missed all that. At 57 years I’ve been here, I never knew any of that, but I’ve read a lot about it since. So thank you.

JIMMY DORE: (01:18:10 – 01:18:21) You’re welcome. Remember, the kingdom of heaven is in you. It’s in you. It’s nowhere else. Okay, Tucker, it’s great to talk with you, brother. We’ll talk again soon. Take care.

TUCKER CARLSON: (01:18:21 – 01:18:22) Thanks, Jimmy. See ya.

JIMMY DORE: (01:18:23 – 01:20:11) All right, see ya. Let’s take a break and we’ll be right back.

Nancy Pelosi Confronted on January 6th

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Congresswoman Pelosi, are you at all concerned that the new January 6th committee will find you liable for that day?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (01:20:11 – 01:20:12) Are you at all concerned about the new January 6th committee?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (01:20:13 – 01:20:31) 6th committee finding you liable for that day? Why did you refuse the National Guard on January 6th?

NANCY PELOSI: Shut up. I did not refuse the National Guard. The president didn’t send it. Why are you coming here with Republican talking points as if you’re a serious journalist?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The American people want to know.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (01:20:31 – 01:20:32) We still have questions.

NANCY PELOSI: (01:20:32 – 01:21:00) Thank you. We have responsibility, Terri. We did not have any accountability. For what was going on there, and we should have. This is ridiculous. You’re going to ask me in the middle of the thing when they’ve already breached the inaugural stuff that, that should we call the Capitol Police? I mean, the National Guard? Why weren’t the National Guard there to begin with?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (01:21:02 – 01:21:06) They thought that they had sufficient—

NANCY PELOSI: No, that is not a question of how they have been.

NANCY PELOSI: (01:21:06 – 01:21:29) They don’t know. They clearly didn’t know. And I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Congresswoman Pelosi, are you at all concerned that the new January 6th committee will find you liable for that day? Are you at all concerned about the new January 6th committee finding you liable for that day? Why did you refuse the National Guard?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (01:21:29 – 01:21:31) On January 6th.

NANCY PELOSI: (01:21:32 – 01:21:42) Shut up. I did not refuse the National Guard. The president didn’t send it. Why are you coming here with Republican talking points as if you’re a serious journalist?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The American people want to know.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (01:21:42 – 01:21:43) We still have questions.

VIDEO CLIP ENDS

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