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Tucker Carlson Show: w/ Ian Carroll on Epstein Files, Pizzagate (Transcript)

Editor’s Notes: In this episode of Tucker Carlson Show, Tucker Carlson and investigative journalist Ian Carroll dive into the massive recent dump of over three million documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. They examine potential code words like “pizza and grape soda” found in emails between Epstein and high-profile associates, drawing controversial parallels to the “Pizzagate” theory. The discussion expands to cover broader allegations of systemic corruption, the role of intelligence agencies, and the perceived failure of federal law enforcement to investigate prominent figures named in the files. Ultimately, Carroll and Carlson argue that these revelations point to a deeply entrenched “demonic global crime network” that continues to be protected by institutional cover-ups. (Feb 6, 2026)

TRANSCRIPT:

The Epstein Document Dump: A Mixed Blessing

TUCKER CARLSON: So if you’re one of those people who’s been wondering when we’re going to find out more about the Jeffrey Epstein story, who’s been asking for disclosure, at least wanting more disclosure, the dump of more than three million Epstein-related documents a few days ago by the US government is, well, pretty amazing, but also kind of a mixed blessing. Because in that cache of material is a lot of tantalizing information. There’s also a lot of stuff that’s maybe not true. There’s some stuff that seems kind of fantastical and it’s all there together.

And you could ask yourself, well, why is that? Could this be an attempt to discredit the whole story by throwing nonsense in next to clearly true information? I mean, possibly we can’t know. All we can do is assess what’s on the Internet right now.

So included in that document dump are a bunch of emails to and from Jeffrey Epstein, to and from people whose names we know, and in a lot of cases, people whose names have been redacted for whatever reason. We can’t know why they were redacted. We can guess. There are text messages, there are videos, there are photographs, there are all kinds of attachments, documents.

And there are also a lot of statements from anonymous people, some named people, that may or may not be true, including people who just called into some sort of tip line with information about Epstein, including statements from confidential human sources that may or may not have been taken under oath. Who knows? There’s just a lot of stuff there and some of it seems kind of ridiculous. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. Some of it seems worth following up on.

So how do we assess it? Well, that’s going to take an awfully long time. Most people don’t have the time. So we thought it would be interesting just to start with a very narrow slice of the material. And that’s the emails and texts that we can be pretty sure were sent from or to Jeffrey Epstein that pertain to the question of food, specifically pizza.

The Pizza Connection

And that caught our attention immediately. Pizza. People talking about pizza, adults talking about pizza, and pizza parties. Now why did that catch our attention? Of course, because it evoked memories of this semi-forgotten story from about 10 years ago known as Pizzagate.

That was a wild conspiracy theory thought up by the QAnon retards on the Internet. The conspiracy theory about Pizzagate, it sounded so absurd. And we’re about to get into much more detail about what that original theory was and what it may have actually meant in just a second.

But it all began, as you may or may not remember, with another trove of information that hit the Internet 10 years ago. WikiLeaks, to be specific, released in 2016 a bunch of emails from John Podesta, of course, former high official in the Clinton and Obama White Houses, to and from a bunch of people that mentioned the word “pizza” or “pizza parties” in ways that seemed totally inorganic, just weird. In fact, in ways that suggested the term “pizza” was a code word for something else, something dark.

And people on the Internet speculated at great length that “pizza” was actually a synonym for children or sex with children. And this was immediately dismissed, of course. And turns out there was probably a lot more there than a lot of us perceived at the time. And again, we’re going to get into that in just a minute with Ian Carroll, who’s taken a very close look at this.

But back to the most recent document dump. There were a lot of references to pizza, like a lot. By some counts, almost a thousand in these documents. Some of them probably were just to pizza. You don’t want to read too much into anything because you start imagining that you see things that aren’t actually there.

Disturbing Email Exchanges

But if you read, I don’t know, exchanges like this, let’s read one, see what you think. And we’re quoting. This is an email to Jeffrey Epstein. We’re told by DOJ on April 6, 2018, quote: “This is better than a Chinese cookie. Let’s go for pizza and grape soda.”

Again, no one can understand. Maybe, you know, there are a lot of fit adults like Jeffrey Epstein, who was pretty fit for a middle-aged man in 2018, who were regularly eating pizza and grape soda. Or maybe they’re talking about something else. Maybe this is code. So it’s worth considering anyway, right?

But it was this exchange that made us think, whoa, wait a second, maybe the long-debunked conspiracy theory about Pizzagate wasn’t actually debunked. And maybe someone should take a closer look at this, given Epstein’s documented history of sexual abuse of young people.

The Text Exchange That Changes Everything

So here’s just one exchange. This is the one that stopped us in our tracks and made us think, oh, wow, we should know more. This is an exchange according to these documents. We’re not alleging anything, but this is what’s on the Internet from the DOJ.