The following is the full transcript of President Donald Trump’s interview on Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson, May 10, 2026.
Editor’s Notes: In this wide-ranging interview for Full Measure, host Sharyl Attkisson sits down for a one-on-one conversation with Donald Trump to discuss several pressing national and international issues. The discussion traverses diverse terrain, from the escalating tensions and conflict in Iran to the intricacies of the upcoming midterm elections. Trump also offers his perspective on the government’s investigation into the NFL, providing a candid look at his administration’s priorities and challenges. This investigative segment highlights Attkisson’s hallmark style of original and accountability-focused reporting.
INTRODUCTION
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Thank you for joining us on Full Measure.
DONALD TRUMP: Thank you.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: First of all, we’re glad that you are safe and that your family’s safe after the latest attempt on your life. How are you and the family doing?
DONALD TRUMP: Very good. It was an interesting evening, but I felt very secure, and I think Secret Service did a very good job.
The Assassination Attempt and the Judge’s Apology
SHARYL ATTKISSON: The judge apologized to the suspect for the treatment that he’s gotten in jail.
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I heard that, and then after watching that, they went back a couple of years, and he was very apologetic to another suspect who I didn’t even know about. But he was also— the same judge was very apologetic to somebody else having to do with a similar subject. And not even believable, actually.
Iran: Military Defeat and Nuclear Threat
SHARYL ATTKISSON: On Iran, would you say the war is over? Is it paused or is it very much active?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, they’re militarily defeated in their own minds. Maybe they don’t know that, but I think they do because I deal with them. And we cannot ever let Iran have a nuclear weapon. But they are militarily defeated. They have no navy. They have no air force. They have no anti-aircraft weaponry. They have no radar. They have no leaders. Their leaders are gone. The first set— the A-team is gone. The B-team is gone. And part of the C-team is gone.
But I think we’re dealing with people that have a certain power. It’s very interesting because they make a deal and then they break it. Then they make a deal, they break it. It’s a difficult group. But from a military standpoint, I mean, if we left today, it would take them 20 years to rebuild.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Where are we in the war if we’ve not yet gotten the nuclear materials, the enriched uranium from them?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, we’ll get that at some point, whatever we want. We have it surveilled. I did a thing called Space Force, and they are watching that every— if somebody walked in, they can tell you his name, his address, the number of his badge. No, we have that very well surveilled. If anybody got near the place, we will know about it and we’ll blow them up. We’ll blow them up.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: So is it accurate to say you think the combat operations are over and done, but they’re making—
DONALD TRUMP: No, I didn’t say that. I said they are defeated, but that doesn’t mean they’re done. We could go in for 2 more weeks and do every single target. We have certain targets that we wanted to— and we’ve done probably 70% of them. But we have other targets that we could conceivably hit. But even if we didn’t do that, that would just be final touches. Even if we didn’t do that, it would take them many years to rebuild.
Iran Nuclear Deal, Soleimani, and the B-2 Bomber Strike
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Few politicians, I think, would be prepared to take a political hit on something as important to so many Americans as oil and gas prices in the short term, even for something very important in the long term. The political and media climate, I don’t think they really allow for this sort of thing. They want immediate reactions and responses to things.
DONALD TRUMP: So I think it’s easy when I say it. And somebody like you says, answer that question and gives me a couple of seconds. It’s really easy to answer. We cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon because they’re crazy. We cannot let them have access to nuclear. Obama did it. If I didn’t terminate the Iran nuclear deal, they would have had it. And they would have used it on Israel and the Middle East right now. And maybe beyond. They actually had rockets that— you saw that the other day— that could reach Europe. They would have used it 100%. And by the way, not 50% or 80%— 100% they would have used it. They were dying to get it then.
So I took Barack Hussein Obama’s horrible Iran nuclear deal. I terminated it in my first term. Knocked out Soleimani. Very important. If you didn’t knock out Soleimani, I think it would have been a different country. He was more competent, but he was an evil genius. He was an evil guy. The roadside bombs, et cetera, killed many, many people. Maimed so many people. The legs, the arms, the face. So that was a big thing. I took him out.
And then— I don’t know, they’re all so important, if you think. I’m thinking which is the most. But when those beautiful B-2 bombers attacked 8 months ago and attacked there, a potential nuclear site— they would have had a nuclear weapon within 2 weeks if we didn’t. That’s why I had to go in. I knew that they were going to have a nuclear weapon. And we obliterated their— I call it the nuclear dust. There’s a lot of nuclear dust. But we obliterated the site at 1 o’clock in the morning with no moon. You couldn’t see a thing. And they went in stealth. They went in and they did their job. They dropped those bombs and they landed perfectly and it just obliterated.
If we didn’t do that, they would have already blown up Israel. In my opinion, Israel would have been blown up with a nuclear weapon.
NATO, the Strait of Hormuz, and US Energy Production
SHARYL ATTKISSON: What’s next in light of all of this for the US and NATO?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, NATO has proven to be a paper tiger. They were there to help. Many of those NATO countries use— we don’t use the Strait. We don’t need it. In fact, boats are coming up to Texas, Louisiana, and Alaska and filling up with oil. We don’t need the Strait. We were doing it to help Israel and Saudi Arabia and Qatar and UAE and others. We don’t need it. It’s an amazing— we don’t use it. We had 1% and we did that as a favor.
And we’re now producing more oil and gas than Russia and Saudi Arabia put together. Think of that, Sharyl. If you take everything that Russia does, everything that Saudi Arabia puts out, we produce much more oil and gas than Russia and Saudi Arabia put together. And by the end of this year, that number will probably double.
The NFL, Pay-Per-View, and the Golden Goose
SHARYL ATTKISSON: On some domestic issues, one of them a lot of people are interested in involving the NFL. Your Justice Department is investigating the NFL for moving a lot of viewers from free broadcast television to more expensive pay programming like Amazon Prime, Netflix, Peacock, and YouTube, where the NFL makes more money. Do you think this is price gouging on America’s favorite sport? Should the government do anything about it?
DONALD TRUMP: It’s tough. It’s tough. You got people that love football. They’re great people. They don’t make enough money to go and pay this. It’s tough. And they could be killing the golden goose. I mean, they have that stupid kickoff thing that you can’t watch. It’s unwatchable. I hate the games where they have the new phony kickoff. I don’t think it’s any safer. I hope college football doesn’t do that. Do you know what I’m talking about?
SHARYL ATTKISSON: I’m not a fan.
DONALD TRUMP: You are not a football fan. These people know what I’m talking about. They ruin the game. But they have to be careful because others have tried this and all of a sudden you don’t have a sport anymore.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Government will step in and do something.
DONALD TRUMP: There’s something very sad when they take football away from many, many people. Very sad. I don’t like it.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: So do you think the government will step in and do something?
DONALD TRUMP: I don’t know, but I don’t like it. I don’t like it. They’re making a lot of money. They could make a little bit less. They could let the people see. You have people that live for Sunday. They live. They can’t think about anything else. And then all of a sudden they’re going to have to pay $1,000 a game. It’s crazy. So I’m not happy about it.
The Midterms, Immigration, and Border Security
SHARYL ATTKISSON: How do you feel today about the Republicans’ chance in the midterms? And if the Republicans were not to hold control of Congress, how does that change your strategy as president?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, they’ll find a reason to impeach me, even though a lot of people said I had the greatest first term in the history of— they’ll try and they’ll impeach me, probably. But we don’t play that game. We don’t play like them. They play dirty. They have bad policy. If they had normal policy, they’d be a lot tougher, frankly.
But when they have men and women’s sports, transgender, mutilation of your children for everyone, open borders so that the world can pour into our country— criminals. We took in 25 million people over the Biden 4 years, and 11,888 were murderers, most of whom— substantially more than 50%— committed more than one murder. Welcome to America. We took in drug dealers and people from mental institutions that were closed up. They would empty entire mental institutions into our country. They would take a mental institution in a South American country, open it up, bring these people into our country, let them go, close the institution in whatever country it may be in, save a fortune. And Biden allowed this to happen.
Now we have the strongest borders we’ve ever had. For 11 months, they say nobody has come into our country illegally. You know why? Nobody tries. Nobody makes the trip up. The trip is not worthwhile because they know they’re not going to get through. So once they know that, they don’t make the trip.
But we’re running a great country. We’re respected by everybody now again. We weren’t respected. We were a laughingstock for 4 years. We were a very, very unsafe place. Murders are down now to the lowest in 125 years, the year 1900. But we were a country that was a dead country, and now we’re the hottest country anywhere in the world. It’s pretty amazing what we’ve done in a short time.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: As straightforward as securing the border seemed to be once you got into office, it almost implies that another president could reverse it as quickly. Is there any way to protect against that in the future?
DONALD TRUMP: Yeah. Vote Republican. It’s very simple.
Venezuela, Voter Fraud, and the 2020 Election
SHARYL ATTKISSON: On Venezuela and voter fraud, there are Venezuelan engineer whistleblowers who provided your administration, my understanding is, with a lot of information and documentation alleging vote rigging in the US elections, including in 2020, through an operation engineered in part by our foreign adversaries and centered in Venezuela. Are you familiar with this information? Is anything going to come of that?
DONALD TRUMP: A little bit. Well, I’m familiar with voter fraud because we have a lot of it, I believe, coming up on the 2020 election. The 2020 election was rigged. When I used to say that, they’d say, oh, the cameras would turn off. How can you say— now they don’t turn. The information, a lot of it’s already out there. The election was rigged. It was rigged. You look at Georgia, you look at Pennsylvania, you look at these states, they were rigged. It was a rigged election. And they use COVID to do it. And they use crooked, dirty cops to do it. They had dirty cops. Like you read about Comey. Comey is a dirty cop. Bad guy. Bad for the country. Bad guy.
But no, the 2020 election was rigged. Anytime you have mail-in voting, you’re going to have a rigged election. Anytime you’re not using voter ID— the Democrats don’t want— they’re fighting us on the Save America Act. Anytime you don’t have— when somebody says we don’t want voter identification, that means they want to cheat. Then they say we don’t want citizenship. We don’t want proof of citizenship. They don’t want it to be a part of the voting process.
And yet, when it comes to voting, the interesting thing is 97% of the Republicans want voter ID. But if you add the Republicans and the Democrats together, 86%— Jimmy Carter— I mean, I wasn’t a big fan of him as a president, but Jimmy Carter had a committee that was set up along with Scoop Jackson, some very respected people. And the primary finding of the committee on the election stuff, the primary finding of the committee was you can’t have mail-in voting, it’s crooked.
Cuba: A Failed Experiment
SHARYL ATTKISSON: What’s the latest with Cuba and are there talks underway now?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, it’s a failed country. It has been for years. And we’ll take care of one before we take care of the other. But no, it’s a failed country, Cuba. And people are living poorly. It’s a bad experiment.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Are you or someone from the administration communicating with anybody?
Venezuela, China, and Vaccines
DONALD TRUMP: Well, Marco is. Marco Rubio is doing it. His parents came from Cuba. And if we can help out, good. We have a lot of people, 94% of whom voted for me, from Cuba. I did great with the Hispanic vote anyway. But Cuba, Venezuela, they all voted for me.
You know, Venezuela is a very happy country right now. They were miserable. Now they’re happy. It’s being well run. The oil that’s coming out is enormous, the biggest in many years. And the big oil companies are going in with the biggest, most beautiful rigs you’ve ever seen. And people are working. Venezuela is a happy country. People— everyone tells me they’re so proud of what happened in Venezuela and they’re doing a good job. So we have a lot of interesting things that we’ve done and that we’re doing.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: You’ll soon be heading to China. How’s your relationship with China’s leaders? And do you have a top goal in mind?
DONALD TRUMP: My relationship is very good with President Xi. I don’t know the other leaders, but President Xi is a good man, smart man, loves China. And I look forward to being there. We did this once before and it was amazing. It’s going to be an amazing— I think it’s going to be an amazing trip.
Katy Talento and Bobby Kennedy
SHARYL ATTKISSON: There’s a woman named Katy Talento, if I’m saying her name correctly, who recently stated that in 2017 she worked for you and her job was to keep Bobby Kennedy as far from the West Wing as possible after you had agreed to a vaccine safety commission. Did you know about that? She’s published on that the last couple of days. She says she’s apologizing for that, basically. Did you know that at the time that there was somebody supposedly tasked with keeping Bobby Kennedy away?
DONALD TRUMP: No, I didn’t. He’s doing a good job. I think Bobby— people love him. I didn’t know about that.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Do you think there should be a vaccine safety commission?
DONALD TRUMP: A commission on what?
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Vaccine safety. Something to examine, something like—
DONALD TRUMP: I believe vaccines, but I don’t believe that, you know, you have to have a mandate for all of them. The polio vaccine is amazing. It’s wiped it out. And I believe in vaccines. But I think we were up to 88 vaccines. And I really feel that vaccines, if they were given in smaller quantities— they want to cut some out, and that’s good, too. And I agree with that. 82 is too many.
If you look at Denmark and other countries, you have 12, 14, I think 17. And we have like 82. But I look at these beautiful little babies and they get a vat. I mean, so like a big glass of stuff pumped into their bodies. And I think it’s a very negative thing to do. And I would like to see it. I’m not doing this in terms of Bobby or not. I hope they agree with that. But that’s just my opinion. I would love to see much smaller shots, like 4 visits to the doctor. And I think you would have a much better result with the autism.
Tennessee Valley Authority and John Rich
SHARYL ATTKISSON: More with President Trump when we continue. On Full Measure, we reported this season on controversy with the Tennessee Valley Authority, which John Rich got involved in advocating for landowners whose land risks being taken away for a giant power plant. I saw it. Are you creating a position for John Rich to advocate more widely on that front?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I would. I like him. He was on The Apprentice and he won. He’s a good guy.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Is that a big issue with government taking land?
DONALD TRUMP: Yeah, a lot of people don’t like that. It’s not the greatest thing. But Tennessee Valley bothered me for another reason. And I have to look, but the person running it always, for years, would get inordinate salaries. Did you know that?
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Yeah, I did. We reported on that too.
DONALD TRUMP: Numbers that are crazy.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: I think 26 times the salary of the President of the United States.
DONALD TRUMP: Yeah, like they get $10 million, $12 million. And I said, it’s going to stop.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: And you’re trying to cap that to $500,000.
DONALD TRUMP: Yeah, I want to have it capped. Yeah. So I put John there if he could do that. It’s— look, I inherited all this stuff. It was so stupid, so crazy. Can you imagine? They take people that are making $200,000 and they give them $10 million a year. Like, he would have taken it for slightly less. It’s crazy. So we try and stop things like that.
Viewer Questions: Fort Knox and Life Beyond the Presidency
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Couple of quick hits, viewer questions. What happened to the audit of Fort Knox?
DONALD TRUMP: Which one are you talking about?
SHARYL ATTKISSON: There was, I think when you first got into office, you and Elon Musk talked about auditing Fort Knox.
DONALD TRUMP: Well, we wanted to go knock on the door, Fort Knox, very thick door, and to see whether or not we have any gold in there. Because we’d take a look at it, it’s a very interesting question, yeah. We played with that. I wonder if they left the gold in Fort Knox because they steal a lot.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: No need to really do that, though.
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I don’t know. I think it’s— I do want to go to Fort Knox sometime. I want to see if the gold is there, which I’m sure it will be.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: What would you be doing today, do you think, if you hadn’t run for president?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I was really good at building buildings, and I guess I’d be just riding out my life building buildings had I not run. But now that I have become president and for, I guess you could say, for 9 years, you know, I’ve been— if you look at it, I had the 4 years. Then we had the rigged election. But during that rigged election, we were fighting with these people like more than if I were president. And then we had a great first year as president. I think we had a great first year. I think it’s one of the best.
I ended— think of it, I ended 8 wars and to a point where the woman, a very good woman too, Maria, she received the Nobel Peace Prize and she said, I received it too. The only one that should get it is Donald Trump. I didn’t know her. Then it was very nice, very gracious actually.
But I ended, think of it, I ended 8 wars and we have the greatest economy we’ve ever had. Just as I’m walking into the room, I see the S&P hit a brand new high during a so-called war. I call it a military conflict because it was pretty easy. We have the greatest military in the world. You look at Venezuela, you look at Iran, look at what we— we wiped out their navy in one week. 159 ships at the bottom of the sea. We wiped out their air force. We wiped out their everything. We wiped out their leaders. I guess, maybe most importantly. But we have the greatest military anywhere in the world. And I think you see that.
Barron Trump, Salary Donations, and Closing Remarks
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Do you see your son, Barron, going into politics someday?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, maybe. He’s certainly a popular guy. But I have a lot of members of my family that are very popular. I have good kids. They’re very good kids.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Do you still donate your salary, and if so, who’s it going to?
DONALD TRUMP: I do. Much of it goes to the White House preservation, you know, fix things up. You might have seen the path outside. Did you see it?
SHARYL ATTKISSON: I know about it. I have not personally walked on it.
DONALD TRUMP: I’ll let you take a look at it later. It’s beautiful, beautiful black granite. It was stone that was all broken and in terrible shape. The White House was not properly maintained. You think a guy like Joe Biden would maintain it? He didn’t know he was alive. But I do. I’m very good. I was a great real estate developer and I can fix things and make them look beautiful, pay for it myself. But no, I devote 100% of my salary to different things. But I like White House preservation.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Anything else you’d like to add?
DONALD TRUMP: No, but I think your show is excellent. I watch it a lot, and it’s always an honor to be with you. I think we’ve done it quite a few times.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: This is our 10th interview, sir.
DONALD TRUMP: Wow.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Since 2015.
DONALD TRUMP: Well, it’s my honor. Thank you.
SHARYL ATTKISSON: Thank you so much. I appreciate it very much.
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