Jeremy Corbell on Shane Smith Has Questions Podcast (Transcript)

I knew exactly where it went through. I verified it with a ton of people as part of a UAP product to teach people about UFOs.

So I knew that was a UFO and our government had labeled it such. And I knew it was unresolved when I reported on it in 2023 with George. Right. But the pictures from 2016 and the sensitivity of that compound, I don’t know. You get in trouble for the compound, not the UFO.

So I released a still image as a way to provoke Aero All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. Kind of like the modern day Project Blue Book, but worse.

[Archival footage: “I am here to discuss the so-called flying saucers. The Air Force interest in this problem has been due to our feeling of an obligation to identify and analyze to the best of our ability anything in the air that may have the possibility of threat or menace to the United States.”]

JEREMY CORBELL: I was like, “Put out the footage, show the American public.” It got leaked to me. I obtained and released as a journalist. So I put out a still image, never put out the video.

And then all of a sudden I got this wicked smart friend and he sued the government, he sued the Air Force, he sued Central Command, I don’t know, a bunch of people he sued and they Freedom of Information Act request and litigated for two years quietly.

First thing he gets, he calls me up, he goes, “No way. I think I got something. No way. Jeremy, can you tell me, is this what I think it is?” Boom. He sends it on my phone. I go, “Stop sending it. Don’t tell anybody. Shut up. We’re doing it next week.”

SHANE SMITH: Wow.

JEREMY CORBELL: Because they would give a false sense of transparency by putting it out. What comes to light is that my reporting was correct. I wasn’t talking out of my a. Absolutely. There was four seconds like I said. And if people said it was a raindrop, it was a pothole. They said all this because I just gave a still image. That’s why I started doing videos legally obtained.

And this is a huge win for journalism and a huge win for Freedom of Information Act requests. And a huge win for the litigation process of journalists and any American trying to get from the government what they don’t want you to see, which is that UAP are made not by us, not by China, not by Russia. I mean, some are, they’re misidentified. You know, we’ve got a cool plane.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah.

JEREMY CORBELL: Somebody’s making these machines that can outpace, outmaneuver and outperform our greatest weapon systems. Whose are they? Well, those are the bigger questions, but all I know is the Mosul Orb dropped the footage today, legally obtained through litigation, and it proved that I was reporting correctly that there is a—what appears to be a spherical ball with no drop or descent.

We don’t know if it’s moving or just the CIA plane was moving, but they think it’s UAP. Actually, two days ago, it’s unresolved UAP. So we reported on it. And this kid’s name is Dustin Slaughter. Everybody take a note, that kid is wicked smart.

SHANE SMITH: There he goes. And he got the FOIA released.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yes, sir.

What Makes UAP Footage Credible?

SHANE SMITH: So it’s footage of something. We don’t know what it is, but it’s nothing. It’s not like a drone. It’s not like—

JEREMY CORBELL: Right. So we can eliminate certain things. Good whiskey, by the way.

SHANE SMITH: What is this?

JEREMY CORBELL: Cheers. She’s nice. We met each other a long a time ago in your office, man.

So yeah, and I mean I have opinions and I’ll give you those. But what we’re seeing with every piece of footage that George Knapp and I obtain and release is what our government labels a UAP or UFO. Meaning it’s not our black project. It’s not a known adversarial black project, adversarial nation.

And it can demonstrate characteristics unlike what we have for flight and maintaining flight, like a positive lift without winglets and engines. And in the thermal realm, it gets even weirder because you don’t see heat signatures. How is that possible?

Everything is like rockets to roller skates. You push something out the back to go forward. These UAP don’t have that same signature management, as they say. So you’re like, “What is it? How does it fly? Who pilots them?”

Some might be drones or autonomously controlled, but some of them, as reported to Congress under oath by David Grusch, have had biologics inside of them. “Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? Biologics came with some of these recoveries.”

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, well, let’s get into that. Hold on. Before we do. We’re already into the deep stuff. Before we do, I wanted to go through—

JEREMY CORBELL: There is no light conversation about UAP. It’s—

SHANE SMITH: There you go. Come on. I want to get into some of the more famous, let’s say video footage. And you can explain. I’m going to get out of my chair, if you can believe that. I’m coming over. Okay, so we’re going to just go through. So that’s the Mosul orb.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. Which they said was a pothole. When I released the image, all the debunker weirdos.

SHANE SMITH: Right.

JEREMY CORBELL: You know, it’s not.

Reviewing Other Notable UAP Footage

SHANE SMITH: This is your one, right?

JEREMY CORBELL: Well, I mean, not mine.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, but you released yours.

JEREMY CORBELL: Okay. So this is also more of a spherical. We think by angle of observation. And the cool thing about this, the Navy guys, they say “splash.” They didn’t mean it made a splash. It descended. Controlled descent. It was illuminated into the water.

They sent a sub to try to look for it. It couldn’t find it. There was 100 of these. Over 100 around 10 Navy warships in 100 mile radius. Every ship was getting comms. And I’ve talked to people on every single ship whose job it was to fight the ship. And to this day, they don’t know what it was.

SHANE SMITH: And so the narrative. There are naval officers, correct?

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah.

SHANE SMITH: So this is the flashing pyramid.

JEREMY CORBELL: So it’s triangle. It’s triangle by angle of observation. Now, some people say bokeh. And I say, “Okay,” because the thing is, they’re saying there’s a lens problem.

The problem with their theory is that this was range found on the back of the ship. These were objects that no matter what shape they were, they shouldn’t have been there. So they were objects off the aft or the tail of USS Russell and he used a night vision PBS 14 to film through.

I didn’t call these UAP. Your government did. I did not call them triangle by angle of observation, pyramid in shape. Your government did. I actually interviewed the guy who had two optical physicists look at this. And that’s what they said. So I reported the news. And what people do with that, that’s up to them.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, sure, I get it. So this is the largest UFO.

JEREMY CORBELL: This one blew me the f* away.

SHANE SMITH: Right.

The Mosul Orb and Military UAP Documentation

JEREMY CORBELL: So again, every piece of footage I put out, you’re going to have alternate theories. And part of the reason I put it out is to get those theories. But our government labeled this, get this. This is my enhancement. I shouldn’t even wrote that. All we did was change contrast, whatever, not creating anything new that is in my eyes, circular by angle of observation. So it could be a globe, could be a disk.

Your government labeled it UAP. This is an Air Force asset with a passive capture in thermal. So it’s just up there going, and it captures this. They labeled it disk navigating through clouds. They didn’t label this our secret project. They didn’t label this a Chinese, a Russian.

How does this thing propel if it’s indeed propelling? Right, how does it propel if it doesn’t have the traditional heat signatures? Now, I’m open to other interpretation. Maybe some genius going to figure out what this is, tell our government, because to this day, this is unresolved. To them. They’re like, this is a craft, it’s disc shaped. Whose is it?

Now I’m not a scientist, but I’ve just looked at a lot of this footage. Now I got questions like anybody with a bone in their body curious about the nature of reality. Is there a part of our history and nature that we’re not allowed to know?

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, well, this is, that’s the bigger we’re getting. We’re starting small. We’re getting there.

JEREMY CORBELL: I’m following your lead, brother.

SHANE SMITH: Okay, so we got the—

JEREMY CORBELL: You gave me the whiskey.

SHANE SMITH: There you go. We got the—

JEREMY CORBELL: You got my greatest hits up. I remember seeing something, I didn’t laze it to see the exact how many meters it was away, but to be observing it, I’m going to say it’s probably about 200 meters. I kind of seen something raise up. An object kind of come off the floor from that distance. This is weird. What the hell is? I grabbed my camera, had a little black pelican case, popped it open and started filming. So I was looking through my camera screen and seen it raise up and keep continually raising.

The Iraq Sombrero Footage

SHANE SMITH: So this is a big one, right?

JEREMY CORBELL: So why this is important is because when you look at shape like a sombrero, bro, like we don’t have anything that’s a camera. He’s on a gunner and he’s filming through the gunner optics, night vision. And the kid’s talking. He tells you exactly. I interview him and put it over the footage. So he’s out in, I think Iraq. And he’s out there. And this is 2008.

The gimbal footage is some of the most famous UFO footage that’s out there by military. Look at that shape. So that’s kind of—it’s crazy to me that—yeah. And he filmed it.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah.

JEREMY CORBELL: Kid smart. He knew it was important the second he saw it because you could range find.

SHANE SMITH: So he’s filming it through his sights.

JEREMY CORBELL: Well, he’s got a phone and he’s holding it up to the camera’s optic system, which is in green night vision, infrared, similar to thermal. But it’s more of like you can see in the dark, right. See the clouds.

SHANE SMITH: And so this one caused a lot of—

JEREMY CORBELL: Dude, they all cause a lot of waves. Because everybody’s trying to solve a puzzle and puzzles are fascinating.

SHANE SMITH: And the question is, what’s the biggest one that’s we’re doing the Tic Tac.

The 2023 Tic Tac Encounter

JEREMY CORBELL: Well, this is—oh, this is the 2023. So this one is from 2023. So that got leaked to me and George Knapp and we produced it, put it out and one of the people that was there, you can actually hear him on the footage, was like, okay, if you guys really do have it, I’m going to tell you what happened that night. And that’s that guy, Alexander Wiggins.

And look, he’s an active Navy, one of the top dogs. Like he has a family. I’m like, are you sure you want to? He’s like, I want to. This is important because what I saw that night is so powerful and people need to know about it. But this is a Tic Tac shaped by thermal. This gives us the idea of what Commander Fravor chased for the United States military, which was a Tic Tac shaped object that he was up close to.

As we proceeded to the west, the air controller was counting down the range to an object that we were going to and we were unaware of what we were going to see. When we arrived, the controller told us that these objects had been observed for over two weeks, coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours and then going straight back up. For those who don’t realize above 80,000 feet is space.

He went in front of Congress and said, we don’t have that technology now. We won’t have that technology in 10 years. He goes, we’re not even trying to think of having that technology in 10 years. And he goes, I would know. And what people don’t know is that he has a classified job right now, which would give him insight. That’s why he testified to Congress. He chased a Tic Tac UFO.

As we pulled nose onto the object, within about a half mile of it, it rapidly accelerated in front of us and disappeared. Our wingman roughly 8,000 feet above us lost contact also. We immediately turned back to see where the Whitewater was at and it was gone also. So as you started to turn back towards the east, the controller came up and said, “Sir, you’re not going to believe this, but that thing is at your cat point roughly 60 miles away.”

In less than a minute you can calculate the speed. We returned to Nimitz. We were taking off our gear, we were talking to one of my crews who was getting ready to launch. We mentioned it to them and they went out and luckily got in the video that you see, that 90 second video, what you don’t see is the radar tape that was never released and we don’t know where it’s at of the act of jamming that the object put on an APJ.

Ryan Graves and Aviation Safety

SHANE SMITH: Now we talked to a guy who’s in the Navy, Ryan Graves.

JEREMY CORBELL: Ryan Graves was the guy from the Red Rippers, I think. Here we go.

SHANE SMITH: Ryan Graves, former lieutenant and fighter pilot in the U.S. Navy. You’re the first active duty pilot to come forward publicly about sightings of Unidentified aerial phenomenon, or UAPs.

JEREMY CORBELL: This disturbing pattern of incursions that are similar in nature over a multi year period that seem to be growing in scale and concern, frankly. I mean, after a while and you hear hundreds of reports from professionals, from elected politicians, from others that just say, I’ve never seen anything like this. It kind of looked like a plane. It didn’t. But the way it was moving altitudes, the way they’re operating together, just not like anything I’ve seen. It’s hard to discount that information.

So he’s a good dude. So basically he’s come out and said, look, this is an aviation safety issue. If not, if nothing else, my boys are out there. And every single day. So Ryan never saw one, he chased one. We tried to go after. He couldn’t see it with his eyes. But they get him on radar, they’re very solid. And they were behaving almost like an aircraft. Right. They were stationary in the air in high winds at various altitudes.

SHANE SMITH: They were sometimes a circular pattern, sometimes in what we call a racetrack pattern.

JEREMY CORBELL: One of these objects went right in between two fighters that were about 150 feet apart, came within about 50 feet of the lead aircraft, went down their right side. Pilot weapon system officer gained a visual sighting of it. They ended up canceling their flight, returning home. And that’s when I met him in the ready room.

SHANE SMITH: And he just had this look of shock on his face.

JEREMY CORBELL: His mouth was hanging open, and he’s like, “I almost hit one of those damn things.”

SHANE SMITH: What did it look like? Simple description.

JEREMY CORBELL: He said it looked like a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere. Wow. About 5 to 15 feet in diameter. Every damn day, they’re seeing cubes with spherical auras. And it’s not just perplexing because they’re on mission. It’s a safety of flight issue because one came right between two planes going, you get a collision going 500 miles an hour, you’re man doesn’t matter if it’s a seagull. Right?

So Ryan Graves did testify to Congress that, look, this is a safety of flight issue. So if nothing else, if you don’t want to talk about UFOs, we got to talk about that.

SHANE SMITH: That’s right.

JEREMY CORBELL: So that’s why I love what Ryan does, is he’s bringing it to brass tacks.

SHANE SMITH: Well, he’s also, like, he’s a naval pilot, and he’s out there. His wing saw it. They also, they reported it.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, yeah. Now, he tried to go after one. One time I asked him, he tried to go after him. He couldn’t optically see it, just on the radar. Sometimes you don’t see him visually.

Lightning Round: UFO Disclosure Predictions

SHANE SMITH: Hello, Bango, and welcome to our BET MGM Lightning round with Jeremy Corbell. All right, we’re here. The man, the machine, Jeremy Corbell. Let’s do a lightning round. What’s the over under on the US government admitting that they actually have a UFO in storage by 2026?

JEREMY CORBELL: They’ve already admitted that on my show, Weaponized, the head of the DIA UFO program already admitted that we had one UAP and we’ve breached the whole Albert store. I’d say that’s 100% because it’s already done been admitted.

SHANE SMITH: Okay, let’s make it simple. If Earth is Vegas and UFO sightings are the games, how many points would you spot the skeptics versus the believers?

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. So both can be equally out of this world. They have a fervent belief. But when you talk about debunkers compared to people that actually research it, I would say the debunkers have lost incredibly, because the preposterous preponderance of evidence that has been collected and looked at even by our own government is so high. Big time losers. I won’t call them skeptics, but debunkers.

SHANE SMITH: If you had to make a bet on which country comes clean about UFOs, US, Russia or China. Where are you putting your chips?

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, actually we got really close to the Five Eyes alliance through Canada. They actually wrote a document saying we need to get ahead of this or our population will no longer trust us. So I’d go out of left field here and I’d say we might learn about this from one of the Five Eyes countries. And I would say that’s most likely going to be the most honest, which is Canada.

SHANE SMITH: I like it.

JEREMY CORBELL: The US is going to come in and control the narrative.

SHANE SMITH: I like it. I like going off piste, as they say. And it’s Canada for the win. The nice Canadians are going to let the cat out of the bag. Thanks for taking the time. Really appreciate it. Bazango.

JEREMY CORBELL: I love it.

Congressional Hearings and Government Response

SHANE SMITH: Well, I used to say bango and then I got bored. So now I say bazango. We got a lot of military footage now and we have a lot of military people there. They’re testifying and one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you is it seems like for the last few years anyways, there’s been sort of more of a fever pitch. Like something’s going to break. Like, something’s coming in the community.

JEREMY CORBELL: People, something’s coming, something’s coming.

SHANE SMITH: And it seems like it’s gone from fringe. And I remember talking to a bunch of people and then there was going to be this Congress and congressional hearings and we had multiple. And so you talked about the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office or ARROW. And so this comes out and they say, yeah, no, there’s nothing to see here. What?

JEREMY CORBELL: They didn’t quite say that.

SHANE SMITH: Well, what did they say?

JEREMY CORBELL: Okay, so as a journalist, it’s the paper trail. If you ask George Knapp, who’s been doing this 40 years. That’s why you know about Area 51, Bob Lazar, flying saucers. It’s the paper trail. He was lied to and he knew he was lied to and that pisses off anybody. If you’re lied to. The UFO thing you’ve been lied to about, I don’t know what it is ultimately, but I know you’ve been lied to.

So similarly, for me, my entry point, my gateway drug was that, well, if Bob Lazar’s telling the truth. Bob Lazar claims our government captured alien spaceships, UFOs and keeps them in a secret warehouse.

The Reality of UFO Disclosure

SHANE SMITH: They are actively and have in their possession alien spacecraft, and they are actively undergoing analysis.

JEREMY CORBELL: The distance doesn’t matter anymore if they have a different propulsion system. Million years ahead of us in physics, let’s say. Then if they’re out there, which everybody agrees with, right. The universe is teeming with sun. Just look up at the stars. Every star is a sun with orbiting planets. Probably in the Goldilocks zone.

So if there’s life out there, because we ain’t that special, are they coming here? That’s where the conversation has now turned, and I think that’s what you’re feeling, is that we’re realizing we don’t know everything. And it’s possible there are things in physics and science and nature that we are discovering, right?

So the question is, whose machines are these? Now when you kind of back up a little bit and you look at this and you say, okay, I don’t know everything, it’s possible, then you come into the just conflicted reality that UFOs are not in movies and magazines and popular thought and pop culture because we created that idea. They’re there because people are seeing them.

They’ve been seeing them a long time. It’s part of every single culture on every single planet, homogenous around the world. I don’t know a single person who at least doesn’t know somebody who’s had some sort of unidentified sighting. So the elephant in the room is that our government didn’t say “nothing to see here, move on” this time.

SHANE SMITH: And that’s what are they saying.

JEREMY CORBELL: What they admitted is that UFOs are real. That there are craft that do things that we can’t explain, that we need. Like an alcoholic, you need to admit there’s a problem before you can start working on a solution. They’ve admitted UFOs are real.

Officially, our government has told you UFOs are real, that we don’t know how or who we have suspect how they might operate, but we don’t know who’s operating them. So everybody’s done been told, but they didn’t hear it. That is official, but that’s where it stops. They don’t want you asking any more questions. And I know that because we have fought tooth and nail.

SHANE SMITH: But why? Why don’t they want us to? It doesn’t make sense.

JEREMY CORBELL: Now it does make perfect sense once you hear the answer.

SHANE SMITH: Tell me why.

Strategic Advantage and Cold War Secrecy

JEREMY CORBELL: Originally, back in the nuclear time, it was for strategic advantage. If you can get derivative exploitative technology. So if you can exploit. Well, almost there. If you can exploit any technologies for derivative technologies, just like how Russia will take and back engineer one of our bombers and figure it out, right then you have a strategic advantage.

So I get it back in the day, why they didn’t want us to know about this is because they thought, and this is documented during the Cold War. Well, they thought, first people would go crazy. Then that’s been debunked. Like the War of the Worlds thing. Nobody went crazy for that. Nobody went wild.

Then they’re like, maybe it’ll upturn people’s religious ideas. And they realized, no, it won’t. Most religions are like inclusive of all of God’s creations. So then they thought, well, this is really important. If we can get derivative technologies through exploitation of these craft, then we would have a strategic advantage. And whoever gets there first, they win.

Because it’s clear that these craft are operating off of a propulsion and energy system that is different than what we have as far as reactionary propulsion. So that I understand. I understand that back in the 40s, 50s and 60s, that we needed to protect that information to exploit the actual craft and actual hardware and the propulsion systems that we have obtained, which we have.

And you’ve been told by people in position to know very publicly even the number of craft in the US that.

SHANE SMITH: They believe we have the nine, the bubbles are.

JEREMY CORBELL: Well, there’s several, actually. Nine flying saucers, flying disks that are out there of extraterrestrial origin. That’s different. See, people don’t trust Bob, except everything that he said is now becoming fact. That’s weird. He must be the luckiest liar I’ve ever met.

SHANE SMITH: What facts? For example, you’re obviously, you know, knee deep in the weeds, but for layman’s.

JEREMY CORBELL: Dude, I’m deep in the weeds. Or above.

Bob Lazar and Area 51

SHANE SMITH: Bob Lazar, famous for. He. He worked at.

JEREMY CORBELL: Bob Lazar, worked at Area 51, a sub site called S4. Site 4. He claimed there were nine flying disc and that he was working on one of them. And he was actually able to enter it at one time to see what it was. And that’s when he dawned on him it was not ours because the seats were too small.

SHANE SMITH: They were first and one half the size and also the propulsion system.

JEREMY CORBELL: Right, right. And so that’s a complex briar patch of a story. But all you got to know is you don’t got to trust Bob Lazar to know the truth about UFOs, although you should. Because he’s trustworthy and he told you the truth as it happened. But I’m the guy that made the movie on him and knows him as a friend.

SHANE SMITH: So you made a doc. Yeah, made a documentary on him and then where the hell is Barry?

JEREMY CORBELL: It’s a great question.

SHANE SMITH: Where is Barry?

JEREMY CORBELL: How did you jump from I want to know about UFOs to Where’s Barry? Because that’s a great question. And, and George Knapp and I think that we found Barry a couple times and wasn’t sure we did. And now Barry be maybe dead, we don’t know.

Dennis, his boss, when he, Bob Lazar, famously went on the news, it was hilarious. He called himself Dennis as a pseudonym. This is like a you to his boss. Because if you know Bob, you know that’s how he rolls, right? D*mn. I don’t know if he regrets that now because his life got turned upside down.

Here’s a guy who never ever benefited from telling his story. It only hurt him. And I know his family, so I know that to be true. So if he’s the luckiest liar I ever met, or he’s absolutely told you how it happened. But that’s for you to decide, not me. But if you trust anything I have to say, I believe Bob with all of my heart and all my mind.

And so here we go, big picture. Let’s just step back one second here. What Bob Lazar told you is that the government had flying saucers. They were all weird shaped though that he worked on one that they couldn’t make progress. That every day going to work was like working on a nuclear reactor from like some other country. And you have no idea how it works. It was scary to him.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah.

Congressional Testimony and Biologics

JEREMY CORBELL: Turns out that in Congress under oath, people were raising their hand and they were saying we have a reverse engineering program for UFOs. There are biologics inside some of those crash retrievals. But I’m not going to call them necessarily crash retrievals because some of them seem more like gifts. Bob even said that one of them he believes was from an archeological dig.

It doesn’t matter. You’ve been told now that we have these programs to exploit the technologies and there are biologics on the craft and. And Bob happened to say 9. It’s really funny because just recently, Hal Puthoff, who’s a man who’s been involved with all these programs, he goes, “if I told you everything, they’d kill me.” He said, “I can’t.”

It’s a very serious scientist that worked on all these black projects, renowned in the scientific community. He was at SRI Stanford Research Institute studying Uri Geller and psychic phenomenon. Anything weird, you call Hal, Puthoff, right? So this is a guy that has impeccable credentials working for our intelligence agencies on this stuff.

And he straight said the number that he’s pretty sure the United States has, I think is wrong. I think we have more. But that’s where Bob, what he said just keeps hitting you in the face. Because what he said ends up being where we are now. There are nine UFOs that that office has helped with going out and retrieving, and that two of them are actually intact craft.

SHANE SMITH: When the door was open and I went into the main hangar, I could see there were other hangars as I.

JEREMY CORBELL: Walked by, and they went pretty far down.

SHANE SMITH: I could clearly see two craft in there.

JEREMY CORBELL: And we all want to believe. Actually, not me. A lot of people want to believe in UFOs, but UFOs are not a matter of belief.

The Biggest Story Ever

SHANE SMITH: Well, here’s my problem with it is if. So we have UFOs and we reverse engineer the technology. So we’re like, okay, like, how can we, you know, let’s Cold War. Okay, let’s follow that trajectory. So we say we’ve got some technology we want to reverse engineer so we can have an advantage against the Soviet.

JEREMY CORBELL: That’s the old school thought of secrecy.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, but I’m like, okay, I get that, and I understand that, but this would literally be the biggest story ever.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yes, sir.

SHANE SMITH: Ever. So I don’t even care necessarily so much about the UAPs or the UFOs or anything. That’s just a physical manifestation of, hey, hold on a second. We’re not alone. What is. Where are they from? What’s the. What has been, the interaction? Is that religion? Is it not. Is it part of religion is, you know, all of these questions that we have, you know, humanity.

I mean, that’s why to me. And it’s quite a large question in that, okay, if we have these things or we’re looking to solve these things, that’s actually the tip of the iceberg to a much bigger. And this is what I want to say, there’s a much bigger philosophical question of what does that mean for everything?

You know, so for me, all of these things that we’re finding out now, like dark matter, dark energy, weakly interacting molecular particles, all this stuff. So obviously a lot of these things are coming out now. So science, physics is being sort of turned on its ear and we have since Snowden and you know, we have whistleblowers are, are not necessarily a bad thing.

So, you know, more people are coming, military people. And so, so for me, and this is why I wanted to talk to you today, is. And I just wanted to get some of the, the mechanics of it down. But okay, if to go back to the government, whoever breaks this story by whoever gets there first, for example, not.

JEREMY CORBELL: Break the story if they crack the technology.

SHANE SMITH: Crack the technology, material science, but also break the story of, hey, we found or they gave it to us or we found it or we’re friends or we know it.

JEREMY CORBELL: The story doesn’t been broken by who, it’s already been done. See, people, if you don’t know that, you haven’t been paying attention. But I understand, but I don’t know.

SHANE SMITH: That because it hasn’t been unequivocally proved. Because if I knew, we wouldn’t be happy having this discussion.

The Barometer of Truth

JEREMY CORBELL: So what’s your barometer for truth? Like, do you need to walk into an. I’ll just say a craft that can travel in space, not made by humans. That’s why they changed you to remember UFO, UAP. It’s no longer aliens. They call them NHI. Non Human Intelligence, which is way better. You know, it’s smart.

It was, it was listed like 27 times in congressional in a senatorial legislation called the Disclosure Act, where they’re trying to pry the technology out of the hands of like Lockheed Martin who are unfairly given the contracts for these things because there was no process of letting other people bid on, can I work on this. Because they wanted to hide them in black budget programs. That’s proven fact, what I just told you so. And I can get you there if you got a couple hours and a few more. Keep going.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, go.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. I’m just saying. But like, your point is very fair. I do like your problem, as you said, because you jumped from, you know, the star, the sand of the stars. You were like, okay, okay, but what if it’s true? I should know about it.

SHANE SMITH: Well, if it’s true, it means so much more is what I’m saying.

JEREMY CORBELL: What is your barometer of proof? Like, I know it’s different for everybody and for me there were some real solid hard lines of like, I need to know if I’m wasting my life. And it started with me with seeing the lies. And I have gone high up the food chain as high as I can imagine at this point, which is. I’m trying to reimagine things.

When you get to people who actually physically worked on these non human intelligence craft and they’re thinking about coming forward to testify in front of Congress at their own detriment, that is real. Those conversations are happening. And so that’s kind of where we’re at is what is proof for the world?

SHANE SMITH: Okay, I’ll tell you what proof is. So there’s not that much difference between. This is where we went through the, the video footage and like the, you know, in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s, it’s like a thing and it’s an orb and it moves and it’s weird and you know, it hasn’t changed that much, right?

JEREMY CORBELL: The UFO phenomenon?

SHANE SMITH: No, no, just the footage is never like, wow, there it is.

JEREMY CORBELL: I disagree.

SHANE SMITH: Okay, well that’s. But I’m just, I’m a layman. You’re an expert.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, no, people say I’m a great. I’m not being aggressive.

SHANE SMITH: No, no. I’m just talking about proof.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah.

The Question of Proof

SHANE SMITH: So proof. You want some unequivocal. The other thing would be okay, if they do have. Let’s see the machines. Let’s see these things. Yes, A and then B. Okay, if there are so called biologics or whatever, this is the biggest story. This is humanity now.

And also you know, we have these things where we’re okay, we’re going to release the JFK things. We’re going to release the things. We’re going to release all this footage. We’re going to put people.

JEREMY CORBELL: How’s that worked out?

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, exactly. So. But it’s since whoever JFK till now, that means every president, every national security advisor.

JEREMY CORBELL: Okay, so not every president is told the same amount of information. I know that for a fact. I know people that has brief precedence on that.

SHANE SMITH: So that’s the whole thing. Like the amount of. If it’s the biggest story ever, right?

JEREMY CORBELL: Yes, it is.

SHANE SMITH: Then the amount of people that know about the biggest story ever. And the only guy we’ve got is Bob Lazar.

JEREMY CORBELL: Sort of. No, you got tons of people. You have directors of national security coming out and admitting that we don’t know what these are. So that’s the thing. I think it takes like a kind of critical mass of information, you know, videos and everything I’m doing in journalism. It’s glitter. It’s glitter around the big.

SHANE SMITH: But it’s all we had. This is you’re providing the proof. It’s all we have now. And so correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re trying to use investigative journalism to force them to tell us the truth so that we have the proof. So that we can sit here and say, okay, now we saw the machines and now this means. Because what’s the next step? And the next step and the next step.

Using Journalism to Force Accountability

JEREMY CORBELL: I’m not trying to force them. I’m trying to force us because we have representative government. Man, these people have been hiding this and holding it so tightly. And unless somebody gives me a good reason, I’m not stopping.

But yeah, we’re trying to use investigative journalism to poke holes to, to show. Either hold them accountable or show how they lied. It’s one or the other. And so, yeah, that is part of the mission, you know, is to.

SHANE SMITH: Is the end of your mission, if you will, would be okay, they open up Area 51 and we see the nine.

JEREMY CORBELL: No, there are secrets that should stay there for national security. Yeah, absolutely we should. Secrets are kept and they should be kept, but not about nature and the fundamental reality that we live in.

Like, for example, to give you a hardcore example, we all know that there’s nuclear science. We do not know how to make a nuclear bomb at home in our living room. Fine. You’ve admitted that atomic bombs exist. You’ve admitted that we know how to make them. You’ve also admitted that there’s a whole element of science dedicated to nuclear science. That doesn’t mean you’re giving people the codes to how to make nuclear weapons.

So same thing you said. Area 51 is. Sure, there’s tons of stuff that should remain secret, but the fundamental essence of it is nobody’s right to hold that back from humankind. If we’re not alone in the universe, it’s the biggest story of all time.

Even if they’re from here originally, just from a long time ago, if that ends up being what it is and it’s not something bigger than my head, like interdimensional, I can’t even live in this dimension. I don’t know the ultimate reality. There’s extraterrestrial, extra temporal, interdimensional, ultra terrestrial. Meaning they’re from here. I don’t care what I. I don’t care about the nuclear.

SHANE SMITH: Sorry, sorry. What’s ultra terrestrial?

JEREMY CORBELL: That’s like they’re from here. They just predate us, right? Or like a time or they live here or. Yeah, maybe a long time. Civilization, breakaway civilization. Ultra terrestrial. But you know, the thing is too, they could just be here as like a waypoint man.

Non-Human Intelligence

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, well, so again there’s a million questions. If in fact you go with the hypothesis. Okay. If there are machines, if there are, if there is technology which you’re taking as a given.

JEREMY CORBELL: No, I’m not taking as given. I know it’s true.

SHANE SMITH: Okay, so if that’s true then obviously there’s. What is it called? Non Human intelligence.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. NHI is the new hip term.

SHANE SMITH: So then there’s NHIs. Now that is just the beginning. It is, that’s the springboard into all of these.

JEREMY CORBELL: That’s right.

SHANE SMITH: Discussions. So for me, which is why I want, I’m going to be honest with you, I have two reasons.

JEREMY CORBELL: Please always be honest.

SHANE SMITH: Because if in the near future the story breaks, it’s the biggest story in the world, which means you’ve worked on a long time. But I’m going to have this in the game. So we’ll be part of the biggest story ever breaking. So we’re, we’re following, we’re following it down just like we’d follow any other story. And if it is the biggest story in the history of humanity, we’ll tell the next story we want to get into piece of it.

Now that’s A and so a B just philosophically it brings up a lot of questions which I’m interested in and there’s a lot of knock on things, for example government, FOIA, what’s true, what’s not true, you know, what are they keeping? If they are keeping, what are they keeping them for what reason?

JEREMY CORBELL: The DOJ does not like what I do for a living.

The Bob Lazar Story

SHANE SMITH: Maybe let’s go to that. Because you did the, you did the documentary what happened to Bob Lazar with that sort of fallout of he started talking and then there was theoretically some, you know, government pushback or whatever.

JEREMY CORBELL: I feel like the least qualified person to be in the position that I’m in. When it comes to journalism, I feel like Inspector Clouseau. Is that the funny French dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah, more handsome.

But like, what happened with that was George Knapp, investigative reporter out of Las Vegas. Didn’t have somebody to fill the time slot.

SHANE SMITH: Who among us has not heard about an alleged UFO cover up? I saw that footage. So she got him in the van.

JEREMY CORBELL: Just did a blur out of his.

SHANE SMITH: Face because he didn’t.

JEREMY CORBELL: He was already under threat. The reason he did that was for self protection. The man that put him in that car was John Lear. He was like, dude, you got to come forward.

SHANE SMITH: So he was doing that. So if you correct me if I’m wrong, so that he could have it out there so no one would kill him because he.

JEREMY CORBELL: He was literally fearing for his life because of what he says happened to him. That we verified a lot of. He was fearing for his life. George unknowingly, you know, said the guy, John Lear, had some trust with George because he had talked to George’s mentor about the stealth fighter, and he was right about it. At 51, John Lear was like the Godfather.

SHANE SMITH: The existence of the stealth fighter or the development.

JEREMY CORBELL: John Lear’s dad was William P. Lear, inventor of the Learjet, the eight track stereo. You know, he was like, really up there in the echelon. So everybody revered John. He flew all these CIA flights.

So people were like, John would come in and talk about things that actually were true out at Area 51, and they’re like, cool. So when he came and talked about this, George sees him, you know, budding journalist at the time. He goes, oh, look at those. I’ll listen to that. He looks into it.

That’s kind of how it all started. Was he called John and goes, hey, you got that guy that might want to break from the fold from 51 and maybe go on camera, you know, just shot in the dark. John’s like, yeah, yeah, no problem. Come on over.

SHANE SMITH: It wasn’t like he was chasing Lazar.

JEREMY CORBELL: No, he didn’t. He literally had somebody drop out of his show and like in real time had to.

SHANE SMITH: Which is kind of interesting because in the documentary it sort of feels that way. Like, we just got this guy, we did it. And then he’s like, then it got picked up all over the world by DED Baron News saying then it became a big news story tonight.

JEREMY CORBELL: It’s a chilling scenario with worldwide implications that may have its roots right here. This week, we’ve heard the contention of.

SHANE SMITH: UFO researchers that there is a secret.

JEREMY CORBELL: Government within our Government and George Diario take this seriously. And then he dug in. Bob.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah.

JEREMY CORBELL: Lying piece of. Or is he telling the truth? Turns out he’s telling the truth. That’s what George came to.

Evaluating Lazar’s Claims

SHANE SMITH: What I find interesting about it is I have two minds of it when he throws away stuff. Well, then we walk in, and on the right, there’s the gray thing, and on the right, there’s the orange thing. Like, it was pretty involved, like. So it just says throwaway facts.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. Oh, yeah. The way he told Bob’s ark, told what happened to him.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, yeah.

JEREMY CORBELL: He had a lot of detail.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, a lot of detail that rings true. But then, like. And especially on the Rogan thing, it’d be like, whoa, what’s that? Well, I don’t remember.

JEREMY CORBELL: Have you ever asked anyone where they.

SHANE SMITH: Got him or how they got him?

JEREMY CORBELL: No, but something must have been said to me, but it was just too long ago.

SHANE SMITH: And I can’t quite remember what was.

JEREMY CORBELL: Said, but it just left a seed in my mind.

SHANE SMITH: I think at least one of them was part of an archaeological dig.

JEREMY CORBELL: You got to understand Bob. How many years ago? 35. By the time I got him on that show with Rogan. First of all, it was not easy. Like, Bob didn’t want to come forward. I convinced him. I honestly convinced him that everybody’s going to make up lies about him and that that will be his history unless he talked for himself.

It’s like getting the Bigfoot on camera, right? Like, he had not gone on camera except these tiny little snippets with George, out of loyalty, for, like, 35 years to finally get him and make a documentary. He didn’t get from my documentary. He just got grief.

SHANE SMITH: I don’t like being in the public eye.

JEREMY CORBELL: I don’t have money for doing this. I don’t. And quite frankly, I could make up.

SHANE SMITH: A better lie, but I have no motivation to lie.

JEREMY CORBELL: And so it was like, the fact he did it, I was, like, really proud of him as a human being to put himself back out there. There’s a new thing they’re making on him where they replicate the whole thing that he saw. Because everybody wants to know, but what did it really look like?

So he. Hopefully for him, hopefully he gets something out of it. But, like, you know, this his life story. But, like, they’re finally going to show you what it looks like in the hangar.

But, yeah, look, man, if we’re sitting here and you think you’re going to get to the bottom of UFOs by figuring out if Bob Lazar is telling the truth, then you’re as lost as I was back then. It’s not going to teach you anything.

SHANE SMITH: I’m just, I’m just starting at the beginning.

JEREMY CORBELL: This is Shane asks questions.

SHANE SMITH: That’s right. So I was starting at the beginning. So you get into it, right, by making the movie about that.

The Bob Lazar Story and Finding a Passport to Truth

JEREMY CORBELL: Can I tell you that story? I heard Bob Lazar on the radio and it was George Knapp and he is talking about propulsion and he’s saying that it’s a gravity well. These things are propelled by gravity and a thing called element 115, which we believe is correct. He’s not sure on everything but that it falls into space time.

And I thought, how weird. I’m 13 year old idiot kid, right? I listen to Metallica. I don’t give a f* about this stuff. I hear him explain it and it’s like, wait a second. So something. I was doing jiu jitsu, right? So I knew a little bit about mechanics. It falls into place. I’m like, that’s weird. It flipped my script.

I was like, wait a second. If that’s true, then points in space and time are connected. And it doesn’t take light speed and thousands of years to get somewhere. It’s instantaneous. And I go, I want to know if that’s true. But I’m 13 years old and I don’t know anybody and what the hell?

So I went off and started doing jiu jitsu and all this other. And then I kind of came back to it and I was like, I really want to know if that guy’s telling the truth. He’s been consistent now for like 20, 30 years. I’m like, what’s going on? But there’s no way. How do I get to someone like that? There’s no way.

But then I grabbed somebody, gave me one of these cameras, just a little Canon 5D. First person I pointed it at, they spilled the beans about, they didn’t even tell their wife about. And I’m like, this is my passport into my curiousness. This is what I can do. It is my passport.

So I would point that at people and tell them, yeah, I’m going to make a movie. I’ve never made a movie in my life, making a film. And they’d start spilling and then I think I’m charming. So what would happen is people would continue to talk with me.

And over years I started filming this guy John Lear and George Knapp got wind of it. And then one day he called me back after two years of me leaving messages for him at his news station and emailing him in Vegas, and it was like the longest pause in telephone history. I think he was eating a sandwich.

But he gave me his time, and he told me, and I was like, okay, I’m genuine. I’m not trying to hurt anybody. I just want to know. That’s how I got started with George Knapp. Gave me a chance. He gave me a chance, even though I was not a journalist at the time. He’s been mentoring me in journalism for 11, 12 years now. And so that was the entry point.

And each time I earned some trust, they spread that around. So you get to Commander Fravor, the most famous UFO case of all time. Now it’s 2004 Tic Tac. There’s this bearded, tattooed guy that calls him up from the desert, and I’m like, “Hey, man, I heard from a friend that you chased the UFO.”

“Who are you? How did you hear that? What are you talking about?” I mean, I got coaching from my friends how to speak pilot before I called him. I’m not that dumb, right? So I earned his trust. And when I kept his trust and didn’t break the story, although we did kind of break it twice on a radio show with his permission to a degree. Didn’t put his name or face out there.

And I called him, I said, “You’re on the news. I told you your story was important, and it’s never going away, and it’s coming out with or without me.”

SHANE SMITH: This is the story of the Tic Tac.

JEREMY CORBELL: Commander David Fravor, who’s a good friend of mine, right? So I think when I didn’t break his trust, because apparently I’m the only person that keeps their mouth shut when you ask them to. And that’s a super talent. And I didn’t know that. I did that for him because I promised him. And that spread around.

And so all those things compiled, all of a sudden, people tell me more than I want to know, and they tell me I shouldn’t know. And I report on 1% of it.

SHANE SMITH: How do you sit on all this stuff?

JEREMY CORBELL: Clearly, I’m a relaxed person. That’s what I remember about you. The first time I met you, you had a laugh, man. You came in like you had something around your neck like a big piece of jewelry. You walk into Vice like this, and you laughed, like, loud. I was like, that guy’s having a good time.

SHANE SMITH: Life is good.

JEREMY CORBELL: Life is good.

SHANE SMITH: Life is good. Especially if we can break the story.

JEREMY CORBELL: We’re not going to break it, man. Come on. We’re not going to break it.

SHANE SMITH: Why?

JEREMY CORBELL: Because the opposition to this, if there’s…

The Push for Disclosure

SHANE SMITH: But if there’s evidence out there, preposterous preponderance. If there’s actual technology, machines, whatever you want to call them, they’re not going…

JEREMY CORBELL: To let us in, bro.

SHANE SMITH: But we’ve reached a time when, you know, keeping these, okay, maybe in the 50s and the 60s, during the Cold War and the army and everything, but we’ve reached a time when it’s, if it’s going to hold, it’s not going to hold much longer.

JEREMY CORBELL: You hear that, everybody? I’m talking right to the camera. It ain’t going to hold. Shane said so. I agree. Let the information out.

SHANE SMITH: Let the information out.

JEREMY CORBELL: There’s a nuclear program, right? We know about nukes. UFOs are real. There are non human intelligence engaging humanity on a regular basis, durationally. Okay, we can handle it.

SHANE SMITH: Well, we have to get the sort of unequivocal proof whether we beat the government at their own game, which is doable.

JEREMY CORBELL: I’m not against them. I’m not. I want to work with them. I do, because…

SHANE SMITH: But hold on. But they’ve proven themselves. If we follow the logic path, they’ve proven themselves adversarial.

JEREMY CORBELL: Who are they? So I know a lot of people in government that are fighting with me to get this information out. That is 90% of my experience.

SHANE SMITH: Well, obviously they’re fighting against someone who’s keeping the information in.

JEREMY CORBELL: That’s true. But it’s a very small minority of people with great power and responsibility, but power. So I mean, I’m kind of making fun as we’re joking, like I want it broken too. Yes, this is the biggest story. I happen to know it’s true. And yeah, that is. That eats me inside at night.

But I have a dog, I have a wife, I have a family, I have a good life. It’s not going to kill me if the story doesn’t break, and I’m certainly the wrong messenger to break it. There are people that are better suited to tell you what’s going on. It’s not my responsibility either.

But I just feel like if anybody takes as much time to look at this issue that they do on simply looking at hairstyles on Instagram, then they’re going to know that this is true and they’re going to demand the answers because, and this is part, this is the part where we get serious.

You will see my day to day soon because my best weapon was my camera and letting somebody film me through these moments that were harder. You’ll see me at my worst point, that’s coming out and I’m okay with that because I want people to see. But if you can kind of see this…

SHANE SMITH: So this is like a documentary or…

Recording Everything: A Defense Strategy

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. I shouldn’t say anything, but you know, this kid’s been like, when I was going through some of the threats that I have received when I had been going through hard times like that, the only defense I had was to record everything. Wired up all the time, everything’s filmed.

And you’re going to see that. You’re going to see it, how it really happened. And I’m happy about that because then people will have a level of trust that I think is necessary for this conversation. We have to have trust.

There’s a lot of crazy people when it comes into government and it comes into this thing because it triggers this shielding into religion or this triggers this shielding into, “I’m smarter, I’m scared of the unknown.” So there’s this whole thing that happens existentially. You get what I call ontological shock. I look up the word, I believe I’m correct. Ontological shock, the existence of being. I think that word means. So that happens to people.

But I told you I’m going to get serious. So let me get serious for a second. What I do not as a journalist is I have facilitated whistleblowers, government employees who have had repercussions due to sometimes accidental spillage to the UAP topic. So they’re inside their government office, they see something they shouldn’t.

What has happened to some of these people is criminal, 100% provable in the court of law, it’s criminal. And you will see that it will be reported on. And everybody can be judge, jury and executioner. That’s up to them. I’m going to report the news though.

So that has happened to too many people. So here’s the deal. Whistleblowers come to me or I find them. Half of what I do is putting together people that say, “I’ll protect you,” and people that say, “I’ve had an experience that I believe.” And you will see that in Congress, if they have courage and they do their job and I will supply them.

Those whistleblowers who are government vetted four years by me and George Knapp. This is not casual. I know what they drink. I know who they hang with. I know where they worked and I verified it with people on the inside and sources that I’ve never heard.

SHANE SMITH: Who’s the biggest whistleblower so far right now? So far?

David Grusch: The Biggest Whistleblower

JEREMY CORBELL: David Grusch. “Mr. Grusch, as a result of your previous government work, have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself of non human origin craft?”

SHANE SMITH: “Yes, I personally interviewed those individuals.” So give me his story.

JEREMY CORBELL: David Grusch came to me and George Knapp at a bar. Like all good stories start, it was a spook bar and it was for a UAP related thing. And he handed George Knapp, trusted journalist, his ICIG complaint, Intelligence Community Inspector General complaint before he submitted it, I believe, or maybe after he submitted it. He wanted journalists to know that could shield him.

Inspector General means like the police of…

SHANE SMITH: So the police of the intelligence community.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. I hope we get a good new one, by the way. But anyway, they deemed his report credible and urgent. Inspector General then he was tasked as a veteran and an intelligence officer. He was tasked by the UAPTF, run by a great guy named Jay Stratton, who ran the UFO program that part. UAPTF. UAP Task Force.

SHANE SMITH: For who?

JEREMY CORBELL: For our DOD. But he was transparent.

SHANE SMITH: He’s a government employee.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, he was. And he was transparent as best he could with the American public. I really admire him for that. People have all these opinions on who’s spooks, who’s not spooks. They think I’m CIA, where’s my paycheck? All I get is grief.

So here’s the deal. David Grusch, he does his ICIG complaint. He was who he said he was. He was in the positions. He said he was specifically tasked by the UAP task force and Jay Stratton to investigate the black budget programs that deal with UFOs and non human intelligence and tell us are they hiding?

And he did. And he hit paydirt. And he did everything he could to tell what was going on internally as an intelligence agent. And it’s his story to tell, but it didn’t go well. So he did a complaint like going to the police in HR. And this is really serious.

SHANE SMITH: And they said, “I did my job, I did what I was supposed to do,” and now I’m…

JEREMY CORBELL: So I’m going to make a complaint and this is the paperwork that…

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, but he’s a fastidious mother, right? So he didn’t just make a complaint. He brought in 40 witnesses and he had them also testify under oath to all of them and give written statements and verbal statements, recorded statements, people that worked in these UFO programs. So that’s his move. He’s a gangster, right? You don’t. David Grusch.

SHANE SMITH: What was the reaction?

JEREMY CORBELL: Well, it’s a mixed bag, isn’t it now? Because what’s happened is he came forward and finally with me and George, we’re kind of guiding him. “Hey, we’ve been down this road, like, be careful of this. We know some people. Let’s talk about this. Let’s get you out in front so it’s harder to hurt you.”

And it worked well. And there he is like this, testifying to Congress. To his left was Commander David Fravor, the guy that chased the UFO.

SHANE SMITH: So what did they say?

David Grush’s Testimony on Crash Retrievals

JEREMY CORBELL: So David Grush said, “I uncovered the fact that the United States government with other nations, I read into the programs. I can tell you everything for national security in a SCIF. But here’s the basics: there are UFOs, there are non-human intelligence. We have crash retrieval programs. We’ve been trying to exploit the technology.”

SHANE SMITH: Crash retrieval, meaning if a UAP crashes, we have a thing to go get it?

JEREMY CORBELL: I’m suspicious of the crash thing. I think they’re more like gifts, but whatever. Yeah, crash retrievals. They crash. We jump in with different agencies and we collect up the material, we bring them over to like Battelle, BAE, Lockheed, Raytheon, whoever. And we give them a piece and say we don’t know where it comes from, but want you to reverse engineer it. Whatever. That’s what he’s saying happens. Program names, everything.

And he goes, and by the way, somebody asked him, “Were there any beings on some of these craft?” And he says, “Yeah, some of the crafts we retrieved had biologics. Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?” “Biologics came with some of these recoveries.” Yeah, he didn’t say beings, bodies, he said biologics. And there’s a reason he said that. Well, I think you should ask Dave. He’s smarter than me, but I—

SHANE SMITH: He’s not here.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, it’s true.

SHANE SMITH: Keep going. Biologics. Biologics.

The Meaning of “Biologics”

JEREMY CORBELL: Biologics. I think because we make the assumption that—that’s why we changed it to non-human intelligence. We make assumption extraterrestrial, alien. Well, maybe they’re from here. They’re ultra-terrestrials. Maybe some of these things are just like printed flesh with AI. We’d call that a biologic.

SHANE SMITH: Oh, I see.

JEREMY CORBELL: Because we do that, we print organs. So I think he’s leaving the terminology open for interpretation. But what he’s saying is, yeah, they’re aliens and craft.

SHANE SMITH: I remember talking to Larry Page and he was saying, for space travel, it doesn’t necessarily have to be—you go through these light years, for example, you can download your consciousness or brain into a computer, send that through laser beam into a clone that’s already been printed out. So there are different sort of biologics.

JEREMY CORBELL: That’s way above my pay grade. Can I have more whiskey?

SHANE SMITH: Sure.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I just like—I don’t know, man, that’s so cool. Is this what we’re drinking?

SHANE SMITH: Yeah.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. That is so cool. And I would like to be part of that future. Just the idea that we might not know everything is kind of neat, you know?

The Biggest Story in the World

SHANE SMITH: Well, that’s why, like, when I say it’s the biggest story, I mean, literally, it changes everything. Which is why—

JEREMY CORBELL: Agreed.

SHANE SMITH: Again, you know, I understand your points and—and again, I’m playing devil’s advocate, but—

JEREMY CORBELL: So am I.

SHANE SMITH: But I’m just like, if it is the biggest story in the world, like, A, we have to break it. B, you know, that’s a lot of people.

JEREMY CORBELL: Help me break it.

SHANE SMITH: I will. There’s a lot of—look, that’s fine.

JEREMY CORBELL: I’ve been alone with George Knapp so long. My hair is long, my nails are long. I don’t know.

SHANE SMITH: We got to get—we got to get more and more people.

JEREMY CORBELL: How do we break the story?

SHANE SMITH: You call in people, like Snowden, and you call in people who can—who can get in there. You get some hackers. We had this guy, one of the best hackers in the world, and he can hack anything. Like, okay, let’s just go talk to him.

JEREMY CORBELL: But, you know, I don’t know much about politics and stuff, but I’m not playing that game. I’m not playing this roundabout stealing game. I want our government—okay? Mosul Orb. I gave that to them in 2023. And I had the video. I was like, put it out. This is your chance to show goodwill to the American public. You’re not hiding. And they didn’t.

I mean, not to make enemies. But they end up—there’s a lot of good people that work in AARO that I know personally, that are good workers. There’s a mandate from the top down to absolutely whitewash the American public. The ultimate truth. All you get to know is that UFOs are real. That’s it. Don’t ask another question. Don’t ask about abductions. Don’t ask about aliens. Don’t ask about anything like that.

Government Stonewalling

SHANE SMITH: But if they say UFOs are real, then the follow-up questions—

JEREMY CORBELL: I’ve got a lot.

SHANE SMITH: You can’t—you can’t say, “Well, UFOs are real,” but then you can’t ask us another question.

JEREMY CORBELL: But they just did. They did that. So this show is called Shane Asked Questions. Help me.

SHANE SMITH: Okay, what happened? So that guy, he did this thing saying when I said nothing to see here, but he didn’t say okay, but he said okay, you can’t ask anymore. Then they fired him or he retired him or—

JEREMY CORBELL: So David Grush. What happened was he basically, I guess you kind of resign when you leave and there’s no whistleblower protections. Like he was going to make better rank and make better pay. And I think for all the whistleblowers who are about to come forward—because I’ve recorded with a bunch that we’re going to put out if the government doesn’t do its job and have them in the hearings—okay, so I think they should have protections for them.

David Grush should get back pay or whatever, like the rank pay. They have no safety net after. They’re no safety net. So basically I would say I don’t know if he resigned in protest like that guy, my friend Lou Elizondo did. He resigned in the head of AARO. Sean Kirkpatrick. Yeah, Dr. Sean.

SHANE SMITH: But didn’t he—but didn’t he just resign?

AARO’s Deception

JEREMY CORBELL: Check this out. Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. He’s straight up lying to the American public. I know he’s lying because I sent AARO people to testify to test them. They testified—sorry, testified before Congress to testify within the intelligence community to AARO. It’s not for the public to know. This is just—people want to keep their jobs. They don’t want to be known. They want to keep working.

SHANE SMITH: Right. But to give AARO the—the story.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, the scoop. Because AARO was mandated by Congress to find the cover-up.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

JEREMY CORBELL: That was the whole point.

SHANE SMITH: And sorry, just why did Congress mandate them to—what mandate AARO to go—great.

JEREMY CORBELL: And this is Shane Asked Questions, man. Because there was legislation called the Disclosure Act and they laid out how to give disclosure to the American public. Like Senator Rounds and Senator Schumer, who I think was like top dog of like Democrats or something. They laid it out like you read it. It’s shocking. Like if you, Lockheed, happen to have non-human technology and you’re not sure how you got it anymore, you feel uncomfortable, you can come to us. We’ll eminent domain that.

SHANE SMITH: So basically they knew it’s out there. So they said, we’re going to hire you or not hire you. We’re going to put you together to do this.

JEREMY CORBELL: It wasn’t written in a void, like all that legislation. But why was AARO really put together, you know, to shape the emerging UAP narrative? Those exact words, if I’ve ever seen those in a document, it would be to shape the emerging UAP narrative. Why you got to shape something if it’s made up?

SHANE SMITH: Well, also, yeah, because it’s—it’s growing in popularity. And so therefore something’s happening.

Shaping the UAP Narrative

JEREMY CORBELL: It’s coming out to some degree. People got cell phones, people talking. People are coming forward. Whistleblowers. So, yeah, man. So Dr. Kirkpatrick, they watch all this stuff, by the way. I love it. I always get intel when people are watching stuff. AARO, when you watch this: Why are you having your former director do a PR campaign on select podcasts where you try to say you can’t trust whistleblowers when you are a known liar who goes against whistleblowers? When you asked whistleblowers to come to you, why do I send you whistleblowers? As a test. And then they—

SHANE SMITH: And then they don’t put out what they—

JEREMY CORBELL: And then they come back to me and I put it out. Why? Why does that happen? Why did Tim Phillips, the interim director of AARO, who’s no longer any director of AARO, also going on a media tour and telling absolute lies to the American public?

Now, the new director of AARO, I hear, is a really good guy, but he did say to a friend of mine, “In fact, I can’t even part my hair without getting authorization.” So even if he’s a good guy, how much is he able to tell the American public that he wants to?

Now, they’ve admitted some good things because they have to, because we forced them, because they look like dopes when they don’t. They look like dopes when people come back to me, say I testified to them and they lied. They look like dopes when they go to the Wall Street Journal and use Joel Schectman as the guy that they’re going to put out false—and George and I tell Joel Schectman, “Hey, that’s factually incorrect. Here’s the guy that was in the nuclear bunker. You got the story wrong. Just do a correction.” And they don’t. They double down and attack whistleblowers.

So AARO, I got no love for them. Now, the employees of AARO, lot of love for—good folks in there from the top down. They got a mandate, and I’m going to say it one last time, because no one ever listens to me. And I’ve been saying this for years. This one thing we’re listening to: shape the emerging UAP narrative. That is a CIA mandate about the—yeah. About media and UFOs. They have something, by the way, that they call perception management. It’s an office, and they have a budget, and that’s what they’re trying to do.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah. Well, I definitely believe in perception management because they try to shape political consciousness and have been since really—oh, yeah. Since World War II.

JEREMY CORBELL: I believe it.

Verifying UAP Footage

SHANE SMITH: But can you walk us through how you got the—and verified the pyramid UFO, Navy footage or the jellyfish footage?

JEREMY CORBELL: Maybe.

SHANE SMITH: What’s that process look like to verify footage, how you obtain it and then verify. And then—

JEREMY CORBELL: I’m not going to tell how I obtain it, but—yeah, I’ll tell you. Yeah. But I’ll tell you how I verify it, because I’m very proud of this.

SHANE SMITH: Okay, good.

JEREMY CORBELL: I use something called cosmic time and good journalism, so I’m in no rush. I never need to break another story in my life. The jellyfish footage was unique because it was filmed at a base in a secret part of the base that was secretly a joint operations part of the base secretly run by the CIA. So that was weird to begin with, you know, but it’s—

SHANE SMITH: This is in Iraq.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. So that was Iraq. The jellyfish UAP. So again, I don’t know what the jellyfish is. I know that our government has deemed it a UAP, and I know that the CIA came and confiscated that footage, like, even from within other government agencies. Like, so it’s not just—we’re not supposed to see that. Like, people in government are not supposed to see that.

So it got leaked to me and to George. And the thing is, we usually wait to get something sent to us. We never solicit. That’s the law. That’s the handcuff law. Right. Never solicit. But if stuff is leaked to us, we wait till end the, like two, three times before we take it seriously, because we get a lot of time.

SHANE SMITH: Right.

JEREMY CORBELL: So with the jellyfish one, that was a Rubik’s Cube, man. Because the problem with that was how do you validate something that’s so specific? There’s only a certain number of people that rotate in and out of that base for a very short amount of time. So protect sources, especially if they don’t protect themselves kind of thing. Right.

So we sat and we sat and we watched and started asking little questions, poking around. I was able, with Jordan, we showed it on an iPhone to the—at the time, I think it was the former head of one of the UFO study groups. A couple of them we showed them, said, “Have you ever seen this before?” And they were like, “No.” Like they’d seen something similar, but not that. So we’re like, okay, cool.

So then finally, when we got people that were aware, very small group, you know, of that footage, we heard the whole story. What happened is they filmed this thing. They all know it’s different than anything before. They get drones flying in with bombs all the time at that base, right? Just normal DJI drones.

SHANE SMITH: Very familiar with drones, bro.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, that’s their job, right? It’s an aerostat.

SHANE SMITH: And it’s not balloons.

JEREMY CORBELL: I can prove to you it’s not balloons. I don’t even want to do that right now. But yeah, it’s not.

SHANE SMITH: I’m just bringing it up.

JEREMY CORBELL: No, no, it’s not you. But see, that’s a good question. That’s the world. And it’s a good question. We have to eliminate balloons. Maybe it was balloons.

SHANE SMITH: We’ve got to 8 Mile it. What does that mean in 8 Mile? You know, he knows what they’re going to say bad things against him.

JEREMY CORBELL: Eminem.

SHANE SMITH: Eminem. He goes out there and he says, “Oh yeah, you’re going to say this, and I am white, and I did do this, and you did beat me up. And I’m still here saying it.” Free Will, you get 8 Mile.

JEREMY CORBELL: You got 8 Mile. But also, because I’m interested in the truth, and sometimes the government’s been wrong, right? So my reporting, if you look at it, if you just look at what I write, it’s very specific, right? So yeah, you got an 8 Mile of that. But then also, you have to get—so I’m on cosmic time, and I do journalism. That’s what I said to you.

SHANE SMITH: So what I do is that you search up people who are in the base. You verify. Whoa.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, it freaks people out. About 10 of my friends have called me in the last week saying FBI’s contacting them. I’m so good now. I go, “Was it Agent blah, blah, blah and blah, blah, blah?” And I just said that to a guy at NASA.

SHANE SMITH: Really?

JEREMY CORBELL: And yeah, and I can prove that to you right now, after the show. It’s like, people, I am very fastidious. Actually, I’ll take that word for myself. So here’s the deal. We take our time. George Knapp and I take our time. We have a web and a network of sources and it pisses off agencies so much.

SHANE SMITH: No, it’s your job.

JEREMY CORBELL: Thank you, Shane.

The Coming Disclosure and Quantum Computing

SHANE SMITH: I just want to get to a couple more questions because it has been fascinating. I haven’t got any questions that I did so much research on. But for me, what I think one of the reasons why I think it’s going to break soon is, you know, tomorrow I’m interviewing the head of quantum computing at—can I come?

JEREMY CORBELL: So cool.

SHANE SMITH: At Google, who now are further ahead than NORAD and China, the other two functioning quantum computers. There will be no more encryption.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yes, correct. Absolutely know that. Yeah.

SHANE SMITH: And so a lot of these things that—

JEREMY CORBELL: Well, there could be encryption actually.

SHANE SMITH: Well not, there’s no, not in traditional—

JEREMY CORBELL: We’ll argue about it after.

SHANE SMITH: Okay, there we go. But in any case, a lot of these things are like a lot of these secrets are just going to come out. I mean between marriage of AI and quantum, there’s just, it’s a fast moving field.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yes, it is.

SHANE SMITH: Now not necessarily Google’s going to go out there and release everything, but the people will have the tools with which to get in there now. Now what do we think of that? Some of the knock on effects will be of—okay, let’s say, let’s follow your logic to okay, that the government lied all of these years and that the government—

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, certain elements.

SHANE SMITH: The deep state. The deep state, okay.

JEREMY CORBELL: Oh, I don’t know.

SHANE SMITH: The deep state. The government knowingly lied to the people but kept again the biggest story ever away from everybody. There’ll be repercussions for that or what happens when it breaks.

Whistleblowers and Congressional Hearings

JEREMY CORBELL: We need some sort of reconciliation process for the people that committed horrific crimes and are still committing them right now to whistleblowers. Right now you’re going to hear from three firsthand whistleblowers as I define them on X. Just made sure I made clear you’re going to hear from them come hell or high water because George and I already recorded with them. So you’re going to hear it in Congress.

SHANE SMITH: Sorry, you’re recording now three whistleblowers?

JEREMY CORBELL: More than that. But we are. I have offered to Congress who have asked me three firsthand whistleblowers. I said no problem. I got them to say yes, we have a hearing date coming. So if they do it, great. If Congress doesn’t do it and they’re all great. Representative Luna has the task force. She’s awesome. Representative Burchett, he’s fighting for the truth. Everybody’s curious, like me and you. They want to know the truth.

If they don’t go out through that process, if we get interference like we did at the last hearing, where I brought the documents that everybody needed to see, and they misappropriated the terminology to someone else and gave credit. It was so weird. But it was a bigger problem than people think. In journalism, it’s about chain of custody, right? So they lied to the American public that day.

SHANE SMITH: But do you think that, for example, you were saying some of the people are good. You just said the names. Do you think that they go along a certain way and then somebody comes and says, “Stop them,” and say, “You can’t go any further,” or—

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, it’s way worse than that.

SHANE SMITH: Okay, go tell me.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, well, I mean, there’s everything from just—what do you call it when you work at a place? Bureaucratic terrorism, you know, or administrative terrorism. Holding people in purgatory with their clearances. So they work there. They don’t work there. They’re allowed to do what they’re doing. They’re not allowed to do what they’re doing. You sit there, man, seven months, nine months, two years, you’re never allowed out, man. And it’s just because you saw something you weren’t supposed to see. Accidental. They called it spillage.

There are so many issues like that. That’s why people come to me, is because they’ve heard that I’ve helped other people, they trust me, and I keep their secrets, and then I help them and I move forward. And honestly, it’s because I want to know what they know. I mean, there is a selfish aspect to it. I want to know what’s going on, you know? But that has been a funny role that I’ve played, is bringing people together.

SHANE SMITH: So that’s happening now. Three whistleblowers.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, yeah, right now, man. Already recorded. So if it doesn’t come out in Congress under oath to the American public, and by the way, it’s all safe. It’s taken care of. National security. Don’t worry. We’re thinkers over here, right? The people talking, they’re not idiots. They’ve worked their whole lives in the shadows. CIA working in State Department working in all official capacity. You could imagine, from military to intelligence. They ain’t dummies. They live here. They love this country.

But this needs to come out, especially because they’re being enacted again. So the next hearing is to protect whistleblowers. If we get this done, we set precedent. If David Grush, who I said was a baller, right, Godzilla, if that mother is taken care of, if we—

SHANE SMITH: So he’s no longer working for the government?

JEREMY CORBELL: Well, no. See, this is a historic thing. So Representative Burleson and the task force under Luna brought him as a whistleblower back into government because he had all the clearances for a limited time to be the kind of liaison to the world of whistleblowers to help them bring people forward to do congressional hearings. So it’s weird. You get a whistleblower who’s now a government employee again. So this is a guy who’s a real credit to the intelligence.

SHANE SMITH: Do you think there’ll be any new information come out of that? Those congressional hearings or not?

JEREMY CORBELL: A hundred. But if they do the hearings, yes. If not, it’ll come out unweaponized. And me and George Knapp, because we already recorded with them, we’re going to tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Help us God.

SHANE SMITH: But do you think that this will come out through—

JEREMY CORBELL: Do I think you’re going to believe in UFOs after this? Is that what you’re asking?

SHANE SMITH: No, I’m asking do you think that there’ll be new information out of these—

JEREMY CORBELL: Congressional hearings with 100% certainty? If congressional hearings are held with these whistleblowers 100%, you’re going to get new information. And I can also assure you that if they don’t for some reason where the executive branch steps on their neck like Godzilla and stops them from doing it, that information is coming out anyway. It just won’t be in a congressional setting. It’s going to be through journalism.

Opening Area 51 and Public Disclosure

SHANE SMITH: And what would it take for, you know, Area 51 or S4 or these places to be opened up? Like, what would—

JEREMY CORBELL: Well, we shouldn’t open them up, man. Great projects are—

SHANE SMITH: Or like, okay, open it up in the sense of you can show a little bit without, you know, hurting the national security.

JEREMY CORBELL: Missouri. I looked it up on Wikipedia. So, no, it’s true. Missouri is the “Show Me State.” Did I get that right?

SHANE SMITH: Probably.

JEREMY CORBELL: I think so. My dream is we take a craft. Just one of them.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, exactly. The Jello mold.

JEREMY CORBELL: Take the Jello mold.

SHANE SMITH: Take the boring.

JEREMY CORBELL: I want the sport model. I want Bob’s sport model. Because how nostalgic would it be for him to be in Missouri? Take the sport model. Put it in a museum. Now, you can’t dent this metal. You can’t blowtorch it. You can’t do anything. Just do a little metal detector on the way and make sure people aren’t crazy. Let them sign, look at the seats themselves. Let them go and hit a little hammer. Just have them on little strings or feel it.

SHANE SMITH: Casey said, when you feel it. Now, the other thing is, he said if you go underneath it, you couldn’t see it because of the response when—

JEREMY CORBELL: It’s active, because there’s gravitational distortion, allegedly from a lot of these scientists have worked on them. There’s a field propulsion system. So what happens is it energizes, becomes silent. After it’s maybe 15 feet up, don’t quote me on that. And then there’s a wrapping, kind of like a warping of space time. That’s what they say. I don’t know. This is wild.

SHANE SMITH: But you look up to it. Yeah. So to go back to it, if there’s this wrapping of space time and you can’t see it, how does that explain the fact that we can see these other ones?

The Phoenix Lights

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, well, sometimes, obviously, they want you to see them. So the thing is, Phoenix Lights. Let’s get really specific.

SHANE SMITH: Yes. Go.

JEREMY CORBELL: Mass sighting.

SHANE SMITH: So on March 13, 1997, thousands reported—

JEREMY CORBELL: Seeing a V-shaped light formation in the sky. The Phoenix Lights. Huge craft.

SHANE SMITH: Really?

JEREMY CORBELL: Oh, yeah. There’s this Navy pilot that came to rent one of my properties, and he just looked at me. And his wife actually said it. She goes, “We saw it.” So they did some research. And I was like, “Damn, you tell me what you saw. You can rent the house. Come on.” No, this was in California. But he was a growler pilot, and she had actually seen it with her family.

And so this huge—I mean, she said from mountain to mountain just blacked out the sky. But you could see a little swarming of the stars, as if it was almost see through, kind of like what you’re talking about. The thing is, she’s not alone. And her dad was a doctor, her mom was a lawyer. Okay, I get it. You’re credible.

So many people saw this. Even the governor of Arizona. There was too many calls, which is actually very instructive. We should talk about that. Too many calls to his office. So he came out with an alien costume.

SHANE SMITH: And now I’ll ask Officer Stein and—

JEREMY CORBELL: His colleagues to escort the accused into the room so that we may all look upon the guilty party.

SHANE SMITH: Don’t get him too close to me, please.

JEREMY CORBELL: He goes, “I found the culprit.” And he has him in handcuffs like, yeah, there’s nothing to see here. Move on. Problem is a buddy of mine named James made a movie and interviewed the guy, the governor of Arizona at the time.

SHANE SMITH: The guy who came out?

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, like decades later. And what he said was, “I saw it too.” And he was a fighter pilot, a trained observer. And he says, “I couldn’t say it at the time. It would have caused panic.” So he did that stunt, but he was repenting. He’s like, “I saw it too. There’s nothing we have that can do that.”

SHANE SMITH: I think we both maybe don’t agree. I would say I don’t think it causes panic. I don’t think it causes panic.

JEREMY CORBELL: I agree.

SHANE SMITH: I don’t think, I mean, this whole thing of like—

JEREMY CORBELL: It’s going to touch back.

SHANE SMITH: I think it’s going to cause a lot of people to go, “Finally, come on now.”

The Classification Game: UAP vs UAS

JEREMY CORBELL: I agree, but I think also we’re getting there. Remember, because it was such stigma to the point where now on Navy ships, my boys are doing something really cool. Because of mine and George’s reporting, not solely, but a lot because of it, if you label it UAP, it’s instantly classified. That’s a new thing.

However, if you label it a UAS, Unmanned Aerial System, it’s not instantly classified. So the dudes that write down things in ships, I know a lot of them. 2019, they wrote UAS. So that’s how we know about it. That’s how I—

SHANE SMITH: The Mosul thing would be a UAS. Kind of looks like a UAS to me.

JEREMY CORBELL: Unmanned. Well, you talk about a drone. So whatever that is, the Mosul orb.

SHANE SMITH: Well, just a small little orb going.

JEREMY CORBELL: There, and that’s like, I don’t know what size it is because until now, I haven’t had the, I call them nerds. George Knapp calls them online detectives. I gave everybody the actual numeric imprint from the footage. So you can see altitude, flight path, all that stuff.

Now that, as of today, they have the video, although the government blocked out all the numbers, it’s only four seconds long. They can reverse engineer that. And I am so curious. What is the size? Is it the size of a nickel? Is it the size of a house? Like, how big is it? I don’t know. I’m not a nerd.

The Power of Online Sleuths

SHANE SMITH: Did you ever see the movie “Don’t F* with Cats”?

JEREMY CORBELL: I think I have.

SHANE SMITH: It’s about—

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah, on Netflix or something.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, it’s, I mean, it’s, he’s laughing. It’s a fantastic—

JEREMY CORBELL: It’s good, right?

SHANE SMITH: No, it’s a fantastic movie. But basically, you’re going to like this. It’s a fantastic movie because basically, this guy with cats, he killed some cats, right?

JEREMY CORBELL: Ew.

SHANE SMITH: Exactly. And so, but these sleuths, online sleuths, like there’s hundreds of thousands—

JEREMY CORBELL: I have seen it. I have seen it.

SHANE SMITH: They find him for murder.

JEREMY CORBELL: Thousands of people looking to find this guy.

SHANE SMITH: There was a tidal wave of leads that were coming in. “I wasn’t going to stop until I found him. Clearly, this video is not the end.”

SHANE SMITH: And they get him. They catch him for murder. And they followed him because of the murder of these cats, right?

JEREMY CORBELL: Oh, he did that stabby thing on the bed, the weirdo.

SHANE SMITH: Well, he killed somebody in Montreal.

JEREMY CORBELL: Did he do that stabby thing and pretend to eat him or something, bro? Is that what he did? He was that dude that was like—

SHANE SMITH: Anyway, I’m just saying what’s interesting about that dude. What’s interesting about that is that there’s people out there that can solve anything, dude. Online with footage. So we need to mobilize if anyone’s watching this. The “Don’t F* with Cats” type people out in the world and say, “Let’s look at these different types of footage without bias.”

Crowdsourcing the UAP Puzzle

JEREMY CORBELL: No, no, but hold on. You know, about the world, this is such an impassioned, I have never seen people go more crazy over something other than animals like cats. I’m down with that. You hurt a dog. But with the UFO thing, we all have a bias. I like to believe I know, but I do. My bias is that, oh, come on, we’re not alone. You think you’re the smartest monkey? Somebody else got here. But that’s my bias, right? But I try to eliminate and take that out.

There are paid people online to tell you that the Mosul Orb is a pothole. Like, I know they’re paid, they’ve admitted they’re paid, that kind of thing. So you’re up against a, again, perception management is an actual, like, they actually have an office. I want to go in there.

So I’m saying that, yes, let’s crowdsource the UAP problem. The puzzle. Let’s crowdsource the UAP puzzle. Yes. Not one piece of footage is going to be the end all and be all. This is just to provoke and to expose people for telling the truth and not telling the truth. This is a tool to get to the bigger—

SHANE SMITH: Also, if you get hundreds of millions of people all, by the way, clamoring and electing people. That’s how you get elected. It’s going to force information to the fore. And so if it becomes a big issue, that a lot of voters are saying, “What the hell are you doing?”

JEREMY CORBELL: I agree. Yeah. And your optimism is inspirational to me because I’ve been fighting this battle. Not even like George Knapp’s been fighting for 40 years alone, right? I pulled him back in. I’m sure he was going to quit a billion times. He told me he would, right?

The fact you’re a journalist and you’re saying, “Let’s solve this, dude.” I don’t have many people that want to solve this. Your optimism that we’re going to solve it, it’s either naive or inspirational, because probably both. George thought he was going to solve it in six months. “Just need a good journalist on this. That’s all we need, bro.”

It’s like we’re smashing our heads against a wall with online armies of people trying to stop us from doing journalism. If you’re going to really dive in, in any way, I can tell you who to speak with. I can tell you who’s legitimate, who’s full of sh*t. I am happy to tell you. I got a lot. Well, save you 10 years.

Reaching Critical Mass

SHANE SMITH: There we go. Good. I would like to, on that note, keep the channels open. This is an ongoing discussion.

JEREMY CORBELL: You.

SHANE SMITH: Yeah, because it feels like there’s sort of a critical mass.

JEREMY CORBELL: I agree.

SHANE SMITH: You know, and so if there is a critical mass going, because you’ve been in the fight a long time, I come in and there’s another guy, and we bring in more, and we get the “Don’t F* with Cats” people, and we get everybody. And then, you know, you talk to some people in government, in politics, et cetera, et cetera.

JEREMY CORBELL: Too much.

SHANE SMITH: I mean, there’s a lot of people like, you know, and maybe it’s just lip service, but it was a concern to the Republican base about, you know, JFK not releasing it. So they didn’t release all of it, but they released a bunch of it. And of course, you know, what it proves is that the CIA were working with the people who killed JFK, which is what they didn’t want to have happen. Yeah, everybody knew that.

JEREMY CORBELL: Everybody knew it.

SHANE SMITH: Everybody knew it.

JEREMY CORBELL: But I think that’s the plan. Yeah.

SHANE SMITH: Whistleblowers.

JEREMY CORBELL: Right.

SHANE SMITH: So, look, all of the truth will absolutely—

JEREMY CORBELL: Yes.

SHANE SMITH: And so let’s keep the dialogue open, and if there is any breaking news, you’re going to come here and we’re going to talk about it.

The Decision to Go All In

JEREMY CORBELL: Well, you’re going to be a busy man, because I’m going to be breaking news like it’s nobody’s business. I like a propulsion system that is going to continuously be breaking news because I made a decision, and this is real. I’m going to tell you something real right now, and you’ll see this. You actually see this documented, which is interesting.

George Knapp and I made a decision, and our decision is that we’re going to put, he thinks he doesn’t have long to live. And I’m thinking, like, let’s do this right. We’re going to put our best stuff forward. We’re going to try to provoke. We’re going to push. We’re not going to stop. We’ve made a decision to put out our best evidence and, you know, be damned everything else, because people have not liked what we’ve done. But it, anyway, there you go.

Okay. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. It’s nice to re-meet you. It’s different to meet you now.

SHANE SMITH: Thank you for your time.

JEREMY CORBELL: Thank you.

SHANE SMITH: This was awesome.

JEREMY CORBELL: Thank you so much for just having the conversation.

SHANE SMITH: Oh, it was great.

JEREMY CORBELL: Yeah. I don’t know if we’re going to crack it, but you’re awesome.

SHANE SMITH: Oh, well, it’s first steps. First step.

JEREMY CORBELL: Thank you for the whiskey, man. You guys all invited? Have a sip of mine.

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