Kevin Shipp on Candace Owens Podcast (Transcript)

That’s the end of that. Now I get a call. “This is Kevin Shipp.” “Yes.” “This is Mr. X at the CIA. You’ve applied for employment here.” I said, “Yeah.” He goes, “Would you like to continue with your application process?” And I said, “Sure.”

CANDACE OWENS: How old were you at the time?

KEVIN SHIPP: I was, let’s see. At that time, I was 27.

CANDACE OWENS: 27 years old.

KEVIN SHIPP: And they said, “Okay. Then we’ll continue. Thank you.” I said, “Okay. Wait till they do my background investigation, talk to my college friends.” You know? Then I get phone calls from my buddies. “Two guys in a suit knocked at our door. They’re FBI, and they’re asking questions about you.” And I’m like, “Well, surprised that didn’t happen in college,” but anyway, they weren’t FBI. They were somebody else. So I knew that they were out there checking on me, and I was still convinced, “Nah, I’ll never make it.”

And then I got another call, “Kevin Shipp. We are still interested in your application. Would you like to come into CIA headquarters for an interview?”

I was like, “Okay.” So I go to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, walk in there into the main building. They badge me with the visitor badge. I sit there. Lady in the business suit comes out. She goes, “You come in, Shipp?” I said, “Yeah.” She goes, “Follow me.” So I go down this long corridor with combination locks and all the doors. And at the end is this one door where it’s open.

And sitting behind the desk is this silver-haired guy up in this big desk, and he’s – there’s a back where you could smoke in CIA office buildings. And he’s just chain-smoking away. And he goes, “Kevin, have a seat.” So I sit in the chair and, of course, I sunk down, you know, and so his desk is away. I’m like, “Okay. I know what’s going on here.”

He goes, “Kevin, I got one question for you.” I said, “Yes, sir.” He goes, “You ever broken the law?” Well, I’m like, “Okay. That’s the end of this.” I said, I’d become a Christian at that point, so I was, you know, I tried to tell the truth the best I could. I said, “Yes, sir. I have.” He goes, “Why don’t you tell me about it?”

So I went through this long litany of drug use and climbing to the top of radio towers and all this crazy stuff we did in college. And when I was done, I was like, “Oh, well, I told the truth.” He takes a drag off his cigarette, blows out his nose, and he goes, “I got no problem with that. You want to continue?” I’m like, “Yeah.”

So anyway, I went to the polygraph and I did the same thing in the polygraph and told them all my… Oh, wow.

CANDACE OWENS: So they immediately then take you into a polygraph?

KEVIN SHIPP: Well, it was about a month after that. They like to – they like you to stew.

CANDACE OWENS: And they’re watching you?

KEVIN SHIPP: As they’re watching you. So each interview was about almost 3 months apart for a total of 6 months.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay. And then one more question. What were you actually doing as your career at that time?

KEVIN SHIPP: I was a starving biologist. Okay. Yeah. I was a biologist. My final was in microbiology. And I decided I want to find a new career that, you know, I’m not made to be in a laboratory. So that’s why Dana had me turn in the application.

The Hiring Process

KEVIN SHIPP: And so they would call you and they’d wait 3 months to kind of let you stew, you know. And next call I get, “Kevin Shipp?” “Yeah.” “This is Mrs. X. You have made it this far in your process. Would you like to come in for a polygraph test?” I said, “Okay.” They said, “Come into headquarters such and such a time and date,” and they’ll send me to an outer building. They do these in an outer non-discreet outer building, and they said, “On such and such a date.”

So I walk in there, sit there with all these people that are in the chairs, you know, just frozen about to take their CIA polygraph. They called me back, and I sat down in the chair, and they wired me up with all the wires, the electrodermal plates, and everything, and started asking me questions. And, of course, the first one was, “Kevin, you ever broken the law?” And I was like, “Okay.”

And then he was like, “Anything else?” “No.” And then they get into drugs and they get into alcohol. And later on, at the end of my tour, I became a polygraph examiner. So I knew, you know, much of it is trickery. It’s not as much the – the instrument is really important, but it’s the skill of the examiner and how they ask questions. And they do it in a specific way. So the last mundane questions, and then they’ll hit you with the big one and see how you react to the big one. You know?

So, anyway, I got out of there in 2 hours, which I understood later was a good thing. And, got my call, “You’re hired, work for the CIA report to CIA headquarters such and such a date for my big briefing,” and I was in. And you have no idea a lot of times what you’re going to be doing until you get in there, you know, which I certainly didn’t.

CANDACE OWENS: You were just shocked. Here you are, a biologist.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And dealing with test tubes and making no money. Now you’re like, actually, now you work for the Central Intelligence.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. Yeah. And they – they like my –

CANDACE OWENS: Were you married at the time?

KEVIN SHIPP: No. I was – yes. I was married at the time. Let’s see. I was 27, so I was – I was married at the time. Yes. And, of course, my wife couldn’t know anything about once I got in there and found out what I was going to do.

CIA Training and Assignments

KEVIN SHIPP: You go through your first briefing. I wound up being one of these briefers, but everybody’s sitting out there from secretaries to military liaison generals in this big audience, and then they tell them what the CIA is all about. And everybody goes, “Woah. Woah.” And they tell you how special you are and you’re the 2%, and that’s when they start working on you. Nobody’s like you, you know, and we chose you because you’re special and, that’s part of how they mess with your mind and get you to kind of be super loyal and test you to see what you’ll do later.

So, anyway, I went through that. Then I started in what was called their security protective service. They had just instituted a brand new program where they would train federal law enforcement officers at FLETC, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. And the CIA would bring them in, get them a clearance. They would be licensed federal police officers, and then they would do secret things for the police inside the headquarters and buildings.

So I started there. And then, we –

CANDACE OWENS: What sorts of secret things?

KEVIN SHIPP: Well, protect the – the – the way the statement is, the security protective service protects CIA personnel and facilities, and that means a lot, especially overseas. If you’re protecting personnel overseas, you’re involved in operations, you know, live or die, which I wound up doing.

And so, within golly, 8 months, I was promoted to be an agent, a protective agent on the protective detail of William Casey when he was director of the CIA. And all the way up until he had his seizure and was taken to Georgetown University Hospital, then I was one of the agents in the hot seat outside of his hospital room while he was terminally ill. And, that’s when Bob Woodward claims he got in, which is a fabrication because we caught him and showed him the door. He never got in there.

CANDACE OWENS: Wow.

KEVIN SHIPP: And it’s in his book, “Veil, Secret Wars of the CIA.” It’s a complete fabrication.

CANDACE OWENS: Wow.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. So then I went on to the counter espionage group. There was a mole in the CIA, and I was in a special unit searching for that mole inside the CIA.

Then from there, I went and became a member of what would be the CIA’s version of a tier one. They won’t let me say the exact name of the detail. They want me to call it an anti-terrorism assault team. So we were sent overseas against the New People’s Army terrorist group that were massacring police departments. They were surveilling embassy people. They killed a bunch of marines and we were sent over there to stop that from happening.

CANDACE OWENS: Which country are you allowed to say?

KEVIN SHIPP: No.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay.

KEVIN SHIPP: And so, it was – they said this could be a one-way mission. So we all took out life insurance and I had a close call with a terminal illness when I was a kid so I wasn’t really afraid of much. So I had – they asked for volunteers and only a few raised their hands and then we went through cut after cut after cut through this intense training with counter assault team training and hostage training and all this stuff.

CANDACE OWENS: And so now you’re learning to shoot.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. Already – you’re learning, you’re in tactical shooting. We had to qualify in 5 different weapon systems. We went through really intense counterterrorism driver training. We’re in the dark. We’re driving down the track at 80 miles an hour with a car ramming us from behind, an instructor screaming obscenities right in our face, and we had to make a 90-degree turn and do it successfully or we are off the team.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay. I want to stop pause here, Kevin. You are saying all the stuff like it’s super casual and now I feel like I’m listening to the audio of a James Bond flick. Okay? Because this is – I guess it’s incredible. So they come to you, and you’ve got this counterterrorism team, and they ask who would like to volunteer for this? By the way, you might die.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Because you’ve said that sort of couch. Like, yeah. I don’t know.

KEVIN SHIPP: But they basically were like, take out some life insurance.

CANDACE OWENS: Absolutely. You’re married at the time.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yes.

CANDACE OWENS: And you volunteered because you’re a madman, I presume. But you did say also because you had dealt with the terminal illness when you were younger?

KEVIN SHIPP: No. I wasn’t afraid of dying.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. Okay. So what what was the terminal illness? What were you –

KEVIN SHIPP: I was diagnosed with what’s called bilateral hydronephrosis when I was 12 years old. And, essentially, both kidneys – both of my kidneys had burst. And, I was just going to the bathroom and nothing was but blood was coming out.

Kevin’s Childhood Health Crisis

KEVIN SHIPP: So they rushed me to Fairfax Hospital and, kidneys were gone. It was just a mass of blood and they gave me 6 weeks to live. And, my mom who was an agnostic, had a friend named Subart, wonderful lady, and she had a prayer group. And that little prayer group of ladies, you know, believe that God still heals, from the Bible, and so they prayed and prayed and prayed. I didn’t know this.

They prayed. And I remember I was in the hospital, and, of course, I was feeling horrible. I was in there for 30 days at that point, and I was their poster child, you know, because I wasn’t supposed to make it. And then all of a sudden, I started just feeling healthy for the first time in a long time. And I remember sitting up telling the nurse, “Open the window, let the sunshine come in.”

She’s like, “Okay.” They took me back down and x-rayed my sides and both my kidneys were back. And this is in Fairfax County, right, in Fairfax County Hospital.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

KEVIN SHIPP: And, and so after that, I knew something really remarkable had happened. And after my college years, I finally found – was smart enough to find faith when I got started looking into it, to get through my thick head and, then I became a very sincere Christian after that.

CANDACE OWENS: So then yeah. So this is why you don’t have this fear of death.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: So you’re a dedicated Christian. You’re like, alright. This is what I’m going to do. I’m going to go overseas. I’m going to join this counterterrorism unit.

KEVIN SHIPP: Mhmm.

CANDACE OWENS: And you go through this intense training. You get over there, and I assume you don’t die.

KEVIN SHIPP: Nope. I sure didn’t.

CANDACE OWENS: You should die.

CIA Fieldwork and Moral Struggles

KEVIN SHIPP: You know, it’s funny that the way that it works because the CIA is such a mind game that, I went native for about 5 years, and I became them out collecting human intelligence in the field through assets and trying to penetrate governments and things. And what that does in drinking with the enemy, you know, and what that does to your moral compass is just not good. And so for 5 years, I was kinda one of them. You know? Although I was still a Christian, but backslidden would probably be a good word.

CANDACE OWENS: Job was to be dishonest?

KEVIN SHIPP: My job was to steal, to lie, to drink with the foreigners, and I would take mental notes as I was extracting information. We get them real drunk, you know, take them out and get them to talk, and then I’d memorize everything they said, and then take coded notes when I got back to the hotel and then smuggle those back to the agency and write reports, and I got a word for that. So, we did a lot of that. And it was dirty work, that the James Bond image, you know, when you get out, actual case officer work, it’s more snakely, I would say.

CANDACE OWENS: But you’ve, of course, been severely – you’ve gone through the propaganda of the training, I suppose.

KEVIN SHIPP: Absolutely. You’re a part of –

CANDACE OWENS: Oh, yeah. It’s a new and nothing organization.

KEVIN SHIPP: Absolutely. And with the defining moment which kinda opened my eyes is I was – we’re on the border of the Soviet Union. KGB was everywhere. We were followed. We had a KGB officer that followed us everywhere. We called them Boris.

And I left the hotel one day to go up to this little mall and get something to eat in the hotel. And this lady comes up to me and, she goes, “Hi, sir. Would you like to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ?” Excuse me. And I pushed her away, and I said, “No. Thank you.” And I took about 4 steps, and I was like, my God. What has happened to me? You know? I went back to the hotel room.

I was like, I can’t do this anymore. And, went back to headquarters and because I’d written – gotten some good human intelligence and done some good operations, I got a call from the division chief. “We want you to come and do this collecting human intelligence in the field, for the rest of your career.” I mean, this is an offer that nobody – you can’t refuse this. You know, I used to come home and take a bath and just go to church to take a soul bath, you know, after what I’ve just done.

And I love my kids and my family more than anything. So, I told him on the phone. I said, “Sir, thank you so much for the offer, but, I’m not interested. I’m going to have to turn it down.” He goes, “What? Your career with this agency is over if you turn this down.” I said, “Well, yeah. Yes, sir. If that’s the case, then that’s the case.” He goes, “It’s over for you.” Click. He hangs up the phone. I’m like, okeydoke.

Walked out of my office, and there’s a – I can’t mention his name, but he’s a real well known figure who’s now with the CIA. And I walked out, my head kinda hanging, and, he comes on, puts his arm around me. He goes, and, excuse my French here, but he goes, “Hey, Kevin.” I said, “Yeah. Yeah. I’m feeling kinda down. I just got really hammered.” And he goes, “It’s about time somebody told those bastards no.” I’m like, that helps.

Uncovering a Major Security Vulnerability

KEVIN SHIPP: So, in the context of my career, I uncovered this vulnerability. I was put on an assignment looking at computer system connections between the CIA and some of our allied intelligence agencies. And as I was doing an investigation, I uncovered a vulnerability where it appeared that any foreign intelligence service, any terrorist organization could go into the visa section of an embassy where they’re just open computers and go into that computer, into the system in the embassy and identify our covert agents, chief of staffs, and by extension, their assets.

And at first, I was like, my gosh. How can this be? So I investigated further and dug and dug, and it turned out that it looked like, yes. You can do this. So I contacted the office division and the CIA responsible. I said, “Look. I think this can be done.” And they’re like, “We doubt it.” And I said, “Well, let me send my report over to you, and you can give it to the division chief and, let them look at it. Just see what he thinks.”

So I send it through internal CIA mail. I call a week later. “Did you get my report?” “What report?” I said, “You know, when I sent you through internal mail.” “No. We didn’t get any report.” So they said, “Okay. I’ll send it again.” So I sent it again, waited a week, called them. “Okay. Did you get it this time?” “What report?” I’m like, what the heck is going on here? “The one I sent you.” “No. We don’t remember any report.”

I said, “Alright. I’m going to come over to your office in CIA headquarters, and I’m going to give you the report over your desk.” So I did that. I traveled to CIA headquarters with the report, walked up into the office. There was the division chief’s executive aide, and I said, “Ma’am, here is the report. I think he needs to look at this.” And she kind of bristled and said, “Okay. I’ll give it to him.”

Week later, I called. “Did the chief get a chance to read my report?” She goes, “I don’t remember any report.” I’m like, “Ma’am, the one I just handed you over your desk.” “I don’t remember that. We don’t remember any report.”

Then I went into the CIA server in headquarters, and they had erased my report from the CIA server. And I was like, what on earth is going on here? You would think that they’d want to know about this and do something –

CANDACE OWENS: So guys don’t get killed.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. So guys don’t get killed.

And, then I get a call from this division chief in a menacing tone, “Kevin Shipp.” I’m like, “This is so and so from clearance protection division,” I’ll call it. I said, “Yes, sir.” He goes, “I’m ordering you to drop this investigation and drop it now or else it’s your career.” I’m like, “But, sir,” he goes, “No. I’m telling – ordering you to stop it.” Click.

And, okay. What do I do then? Well, it turns out that my immediate boss, I’ll call Jack, leaked my report to Department of State senior inspector general’s office. Former decorated CIA officer was now one of the leaders in their staff. And I get this phone call on the secure line. “Kevin, this is Jim so and so,” and I knew who he was. I mean, he’s very well respected in the agency. I said, “Yeah. Yes, sir.” He goes, “Listen. We got a copy of your report, and we think there may be a concern here.” So I said, “Yeah. I think so too.”

And he goes, “Would you come over to State and brief us?” And I said, “Certainly.” So I went over to Department of State, briefed the IG, and they looked at it, and they said, “Yeah. This is concerning. Let us look at this, and then we’ll get back to you.”

So I go back to my desk in this outer building. I get a call from Jim. He goes, “Kev, this looks serious. We’re going to do a global investigation of this and see if this is really happening. Do not tell the CIA what you’re doing or what we’re doing. Keep this secret. You’ll hear from us in about 3 months.” So I was like, goodness. Okay.

3 months, I get a call on Secure Line, and it’s Jim. He goes, “Kevin, we need you to come over to State. It’s worse than even you thought.” I said, “Yes, sir.” He goes, “Could you be at State this Friday such and such time?” I said, “Yes, sir.”

So I went over there and, the IG guys buzzed me in on the upper floor, and I walk in and there’s Jim and the 2 IG guys. They said, “Come on back to the conference room.” I walk into this room with this long walled conference room, and I sit on one side of the table, Jim on the other, 2 IG guys at the end, and they said, “The CIA will be here in just a moment.” I’m like, oh, I didn’t know the CIA was coming to this. And, so we wait.

There’s a buzz on the door. The door opens and, in walks the chief division chief of this cover protection division. Who told you drop it? Told me the division told me drop it or else. And they said, “Have a seat at the end of the table, sir.”

And, this is GS-15 CIA official. And, way above my head, he sat down at the end of the table. He didn’t know why he was there. He was kinda – he was kinda nervous. And they said, “Consider this an official rebuke by the Department of State to CIA for putting the lives of their covert agents at risk for over 10 years and then covering it up. Consider this an official rebuke. And this report is going to go to the entire intelligence community, and they’re all going to see what you’ve done.”

Well, he – blood just drained from his face. He got ashen white and froze and was in shock. He’s like, uh-oh. We’re busted. And they said, “You can go now.” So he gets up and he walks out, and I’m sitting there thinking, well, that’s the end of me. That’s the end of my career. And I remember going back to the CIA headquarters walking through the main hallway, and it was figuratively speaking. It’s like I had a laser dot on my back. I knew they were coming for me.

Retaliation and Health Crisis

KEVIN SHIPP: And, eventually, they wound up assigning me to a secret base where they did all kinds of dirty deeds and buried a bunch of stuff and, put me in a house that they knew was badly contaminated. The people that had before were very ill and, and ordered me and my family into this house. And, we all got terribly sick.

My son’s immune system was destroyed. The immunologist said it looked like he’d been exposed to a burst of radiation. My wife was bedridden, bruising all over her body, bleeding from her gums. She was in dementia, lost her short-term memory. The CIA was ordering me not to tell anybody about it.

They wouldn’t – they wouldn’t allow any medical tests, any environmental tests, told me to keep it quiet. They wouldn’t let me come back – contact my supervisor back in Washington. And, anyway, so, it was bad. Then they broke into our house. You know, I was 2 steps ahead because I was them.

So we were out of the house, and I put tape seals on all the doors and windows and a little RadioShack voice activated tape recorder. You know, how technically advanced. I put it up in the civil war container and then a little safety zone motion activated siren while we were gone. And, I – we get back. We go into the house.

CIA Break-in and Retaliation

KEVIN SHIPP: All 5 tape seals are broken. I turn on the tape recorder, and you can hear the door opening with a master key, some rustling around. You can hear the alarm go off and then shut off immediately. They knew how to shut that thing off, and you had to kinda know what to do. And, at that point, I’d filed a personal injury suit against the CIA because they were covering this thing up.

And we went back into where it looked like most of the toxins were coming in. They were coming in from below and above. And there were big paintbrushes of invisible chemical the CIA had broken in and painted on the ceiling. They didn’t know that I was using a black light because that’s how you can find a lot of toxins with black light. And I remember Clinton, my and a courageous attorney were standing, and I hit it with a black light.

And he goes, “This is like ‘3 Days of the Condor’.” I’m like, every time I think they’re not going to do something, they do. Anyway, that led to me coming out, becoming a whistleblower, and then seeing what the CIA will do to whistleblowers and the perfected system – that’s why you never hear about CIA whistleblowers. They have a perfected system of career destruction. If you talk about anything that you see that is criminal or illegal or whatever, to classify it, seal it, put it under the state secrets privilege, and they threatened me and my wife and kids with prison if we talked about the evidence I collected to anyone.

And then I was – that was it. That’s it. So I wrote “From the Company’s Shadows,” came out, went to first – not knowing to the Washington Post and said, “I’m a former CIA officer. I want to come out with a story.” And the reporter was like, “Oh, okay. Yeah.” He started calling me. And over 30 days, I gave him the story, unclassified story. Over 30 days, he kept calling and asking questions that required classified answers, and I wouldn’t give them to him. This went on.

Finally, I said, “Look, Charlie Savage at the New York Times wants a story. So if you’re not going to do this and you keep this up, I’m going to give it to him.” “No. Please, my editor – my editor is on me to ask these questions.” Well, guess who his editor was? Bob Woodward. Mockingbird, poster child Bob Woodward. And it turns out that that Post had gone straight to the CIA and reported my contact.

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Deep State and Media Control

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. I don’t – most people know this, and it’s interesting now because I’ve now realizing that I know nothing about history. And so many people think it was this brave thing that Bob Woodward did and was in contact with Deep Throat, but it was actually the state overthrowing Nixon. Like, it was a – it was a –

KEVIN SHIPP: The deep state overthrew Nixon.

CANDACE OWENS: They wanted him out, and then they wanted to make it seem like it was this, like, heroic thing to the public. And so, actually, Nixon was a victim of the deep state –

KEVIN SHIPP: Correct.

CANDACE OWENS: Just like JFK was before him. And so realizing that that Bob Woodward’s claim to fame is “I had a source.” Yeah.

KEVIN SHIPP: Your source was the CIA that was trying to radically oust the president.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s a good staged coup, essentially. So you realize then at that point – and by the way, just to slow this down, I know people that watch this already know about Operation Mockingbird, but it is really one of the most crucial ones to understanding the mainstream media web. The CIA puts this into place and quite literally just puts journalists on the CIA payroll –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: To be able to control the information that’s getting out to the public after JFK gets shot. They’re worried about what’s going to happen. The public is asking too many questions. So they just want journalists to all say the exact same thing. And we still see this today. There was no discontinuation of Project Mockingbird.

So you make the mistake of going, there must be a noble media member at the Washington Post. That’s all in the past.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yes.

CANDACE OWENS: You know, it doesn’t continue today. What about yourself? This, by the way? What’s that? What year is this that you’re dealing with?

KEVIN SHIPP: That would be 2012.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay.

KEVIN SHIPP: And then that’s when I wrote “From the Company’s Shadow.” So yeah. And then I started experiencing firsthand, other major publishers when I wrote “From the Company’s Shadows.” “Oh, no. No. No. We can’t touch that. We don’t want to make the CIA mad.” And the CIA had threatened a lot of journalists and a lot of publishers – don’t touch – don’t touch anything against the CIA.

So they were all terrified. And, plus, the editors of the Washington Post – the Washington Post is one of the founders of Mockingbird, Philip and Catherine –

CANDACE OWENS: Correct?

KEVIN SHIPP: Times. What’s that?

CANDACE OWENS: I – one of the highest big –

KEVIN SHIPP: Times. Yes. Time Magazine. They had 400 – more than 400 reporters and news anchors on CIA payroll when Operation Mockingbird started.

And now, they operate 2 ways. A journalist with any major news media or news periodical knows that if they investigate – do a real investigative piece on the CIA, they’re done. I mean, their editors tell them that – many editors have a quid pro quo with the CIA, not to report negatively on the CIA. And there’s some major news organizations that people watch that do not – that have that relationship. And so if they say anything negative about the CIA, the CIA will stop feeding them stories so that they can get the first scoop and cut them off.

And that’s going on right now with several well-known news organizations, and I mentioned the one with the CIA, they help in. So, clearly going on. Then this last administration, thank God, which is out the back door, started what’s called the Trusted News Initiative, where the CIA signed an agreement with the Associated Press, The Washington Post, of course, and all 4 social media companies, and the Trusted News Initiative signed an agreement with the DNI and the CIA not to report – to censor certain pieces of information on all social media and in the reporting, literally signed an agreement not to do that. Now when you sign a CIA agreement, especially if there’s money involved, they’ll put you under a nondisclosure agreement with a threat of prison if you talk about anything you’re not supposed to talk about. And that’s how the CIA controls journalists.

That’s why there are no whistleblowers until recently, because of the NDA. You come out, you talk about this, you’re going to prison. You sign a secrecy agreement as an officer, never to put anything out without the CIA approving it, which means they’ll redact or blackout the entire thing, which they did my first book, and sit on it for a year or 2. That’s what they do every single time. And, some of that’s in the book.

CIA’s Motives and False Flags

CANDACE OWENS: It’s really compelling to consider that you did what you thought was an act of service trying to rescue the lives of other CIA service and then reports us, “Hey. This must be by accident that we have this exposure to them that – yeah. Can access their information via Visa application,” whatever it is. And this resulted in you being poisoned. They were just going to – they were just going to poison you and your family because how dare you when it was a direct order.

Of course, my mind is instantly running. Why would they not want to deal with that, of course, if they realize that CIA services can be killed? And then, of course, my mind then instantly goes to because they kinda wanted them to get killed so they can, you know, declare an act of war against whatever target it is. They killed somebody in the CIA and, you know, it was – it was a – this is their favorite. A remarkable intelligence failure.

KEVIN SHIPP: They were somehow able to access the information by accident. They had no idea.

CANDACE OWENS: Exactly. In reality, they wanted these people to be harmed. Why would they not take care of something that clearly put their agents’ lives at risk?

KEVIN SHIPP: Why would they leave it there to the point of covering it up, threatening me and then taking the report off the CIA server unless they wanted that vulnerability there to use if there was a, say, a chief of station who wasn’t playing by the book or they wanted plausible deniability for some operation that went bad to blame, you know, how it happened. And, that’s the only logical conclusion.

CANDACE OWENS: I just think it falls flat. It’s like somebody gets hurt, and then you say you had no idea how this happened. Now we have to retaliate because –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yes.

CANDACE OWENS: Our guys are getting killed or somebody high up got killed and, of course, we’re going to defend, you know, we’re going to defend the homeland.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And this is something that people are asking all the time, like, how many false flag attacks have there been where they allowed these remarkable security failures to happen?

KEVIN SHIPP: Several. A lot.

CANDACE OWENS: Several.

KEVIN SHIPP: From goodness gracious. From the Vietnam War with the Gulf of Tonkin, that was a false flag. The Vietnamese ships on the radar attacking the – those were fake. The CIA added those on the radar that they gave to Congress. The Vietnam War was started by a false flag. And look at 50,000 American soldiers died, and a million Vietnamese civilians died because of that.

And then you go to Iraq, the false intelligence from Iraq, 500,000 Iraqi civilians, 2,500 US troops were killed, and 200,000 US service personnel were badly injured, because of false intelligence from the CIA.

CANDACE OWENS: Remarkable intelligence failure. Right.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Even Pearl Harbor. They had warnings of it happening that they chose to ignore. I saw – I was just watching this whole documentary on that and I was like, oh, okay. It was just a remarkable intelligence failure. They heard that it was going to happen and then it happened. And then what do you know? We’re in World War 2.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: This just really gets into the military-industrial complex because they need to make sure that the public is on their side.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And that is why this book “Chaos” blew my mind. To think that the Charles Manson murders, which fundamentally changed people – were so traumatized by how graphic these murders were.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And to know the CIA was there that night. I mean, what that Tom O’Neil uncovered in – almost he’s dedicated his whole life to it. You know? He was flat broke and just filing FOIA requests for years –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Realizing that the public thought that Charles Manson just hypnotized some people to do these crazy things. But in reality, everything we know about the Manson murders, this guy was MK Ultra. He was trained by the government. And this was in order for people to, I guess, to just end the hippie dream. They wanted to go to war. People – the hippies were too love rock and roll and this leading up to the Vietnam War –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: LBJ, bloodthirst, Vietnam, Cambodia.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: It’s incredible the lengths they will go through to get the public on the side of war. And extremely upsetting. And then even in that, back in the sixties, that was pretty much Project Mockingbird because he explained how all the press then was watching – writing every minute, every detail because they wanted to traumatize the press. And these moments are traumatizing.

Pearl Harbor traumatizing. I always go back to my propaganda as a child, in school, 9/11. And now I think back at it, I’m going, oh my gosh. I did – just the words they use and they don’t really think about anything but the emotion of it. Right?

KEVIN SHIPP: Right.

CANDACE OWENS: And so we get in line and we go, “Okay. Yeah. No. We’re totally okay with establishing TSA and giving up all of our freedoms in order for us to stay safe.”

KEVIN SHIPP: Gutting the constitution.

Consequences of Government Propaganda

KEVIN SHIPP: Gutting the constitution.

CANDACE OWENS: Gutting the constitution because all they’re doing is showing us these images and talking about terrorism. And we’re – I was in the classroom, and they’re telling us, you know, in order to be safe, to keep you safe, and then we have to go to war and we – we can’t just quickly – war in Iraq is okay. Don’t even ask questions even though there were Saudis in the plane.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: All it takes is something very traumatizing to happen.

KEVIN SHIPP: Operation Mockingbird in full effect, and you can, in most instances, get the public to be persuaded to go into a war, a conflict that they know nothing about.

CANDACE OWENS: You nailed it. You nailed it. Yes.

9/11 Investigation Concerns

KEVIN SHIPP: And in terms of 9/11, I taught criminal investigations at a college and I did investigations obviously. Asking on investigations in the agency, a criminal investigation was never done on 9/11. They automatically blamed it on terrorism. They didn’t examine any of the evidence. As a matter of fact, they bust out all of the iron and steel on barges to China the next day. And they made these ridiculous and they, you know, they when they do their propaganda, it seems so stupid on its face, but they repeat it so many times.

For example, well, we can prove that it was such and such hijacker that flew the plane in the building, because we found his passport laying on E Street. So stupid. What? Let’s see. The plane was incinerated. The floor above and below the plane were incinerated. There was absolutely nothing left of it. The building was powder. But amazingly, they found this passport that proved their narrative.

CANDACE OWENS: Oh, and they’re cool. This year, we did a 2 episode series on 9/11 to go backwards because I was a child. And to show people we found these old clips and showed them. Do you realize how much we relied to that 9/11? Like, it’s just unbelievable when you when you look back at everything they told. Astounding.

And then the things that they ignored that happened that day and the presence of the Mossad that was there and – and – and they’ve never really answered the question. Tower 7?

KEVIN SHIPP: Tower 7 was very clearly just dropped to the – come on. You cannot explain that away. I mean and then they – the – when you learn even more to even show on the show about the art students that were there that were also –

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

KEVIN SHIPP: Intelligence agents.

CANDACE OWENS: Art students and – and – and then weeks leading up. Just like –

KEVIN SHIPP: That’s right.

CANDACE OWENS: What a coincidence. What a coincidence.

KEVIN SHIPP: I did some research on plane crashes as I’m sure many of your viewers have. And every single plane crash, especially a large aircraft, there’s always always wreckage left of the parts that can’t be blown apart, the landing gear and the engines, specifically. A lot of times, the nose cone. Well, Shanksville, Pennsylvania, no wreckage whatsoever. The Pentagon, there were no engines. There were no – none of the landing gear. Nothing. And yet there were servicemen around that said “I served in active military. It was a missile. I can tell you the sound of a missile.”

And they ignored all of this. And then we even pulled an old clip of a CNN journalist who was on the ground that day and said “I got up close, there’s no plane.” And they just kinda tried to wipe this from the Internet.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. And so we had to dig up this. I’m like, you had a CNN journalist who was just probably telling – just telling the truth. And he’s like, “I’m here. This is amazing. Like, I got up close, there’s no plane.”

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And you just see this perfect hole and then you have all these people who know, who have been act – active military zones who said, “I heard a missile that day.” They don’t release – they – they classify images of the plane. Videotape from the gas station.

KEVIN SHIPP: 1,000 and who knows when Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch was finally able and you can’t see anything.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. It’s like, what hit the Pentagon that day?

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: To the – to just directly – And then they call us conspiracy theorists.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. Yeah. Which is a part of Operation Mockingbird that the CIA created that. Created that and, yeah, I’ve got a copy of that memo.

CANDACE OWENS: People calling people conspiracy theorists.

KEVIN SHIPP: Well, let’s just change that and call it conspiracy investigators. How about that?

CANDACE OWENS: Conspirational potential. What we need these days. You know? So – What do you mean you got a memo of conspiracy?

KEVIN SHIPP: There’s a memo where, finally, a Freedom of Information Act request, was answered. They gave a memo where the CIA said responding to the JFK assassination. We need to respond to the conspiracy theories that are out there about this shooting, and that’s where the conspiracy theory label came from was from that memo. And, that’s – that’s an easy – used to be an easy out to brand somebody a conspiracy theorist to avoid the facts like 9/11. There needs to be a criminal investigation despite the destruction of evidence. Of 9/11. Never – there never was.

CIA and Wall Street Connections

KEVIN SHIPP: And in the book, Alvin “Buzzy” Krongard, who ordered the CIA IG to silence and destroy me because of what was on that base or dirty tricks on that base, Alvin “Buzzy” Krongard, George Tenet’s XO, came directly from Wall Street. Alex Brown and Sons was his corporation. Krongard didn’t want anybody to know this, but he’d been affiliated with Wall Street with the CIA for years. And Tenet, he made it look like he – that was his first stint, and he just brought him in from Wall Street.

Well, that wasn’t true. He was associated with the CIA for years. And a few days before the planes hit the towers, “Buzzy” Krongard’s company sold short – sold all their stock in United Airlines and American Airlines. And in the 9/11 report, which is almost like the Warren Commission report, they didn’t really want to find anything or, they mentioned there was some short selling going. Short selling meaning, you know, something’s going to happen so you sell your stock for more cheap.

CANDACE OWENS: There were some companies that short sold stock in the airlines, but we found nothing there. Same with, like, Larry Silverstein who, like, purchased the insurance on it, the 64.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. Incredible.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

KEVIN SHIPP: And we found no trace that Al Qaeda had funded it. You know?

CANDACE OWENS: Well, they –

KEVIN SHIPP: “Buzzy” Krongard did not mention because he was the one that his company sold those – short sold those stocks, but it stuck way down in a footnote in the 9/11 commission report that there was this company and blah blah blah blah. Well, that – that’s in our book as well.

CANDACE OWENS: Which company was this?

KEVIN SHIPP: This was Alex Brown and Trust, which was later bought by the Deutsche Bank. “Buzzy” Krongard came over acting like he was only making a dollar for service of this country when in reality he made $71,000,000 off the sale from Alex, Trust and Sons to Deutsche Bank before he came with the CIA. He was a multimillionaire, but he claimed that, you know, he was doing it for – for country. So and it was – it was “Buzzy” Krongard that went after me, when I uncovered that vulnerability and, ordered this CIA IG. And I – I named the name of the IG person at the time to personally attack me.

I was approached at an off-site as a program manager for Department of State after that. And, the pro – the former senior IG official that was there when they were ordered to destroy me had retired and he’d come with this company. I was – He comes over at this program manager conference, and he sits down, and – and I knew him. His name is Larry. I can’t give his last name.

Larry goes, “Kevin, I need to talk to you.” I said, “But, yeah, Larry.” He goes, “Listen. I was on the IG. When your case hit, we were ordered to silence and destroy you.” This is a CIA IG. He said, “I just wanted to apologize, for what they did to you.” And I said, “That’s great, Larry. I wish somebody – somebody would have done something before, you know, because my family was really sick.” So just – just, a witness that they did – they did.

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CIA Agent Loyalty and Propaganda

CANDACE OWENS: It’s interesting to realize how severely propagandized those agents have to be to realize you’re working for an agency that is sending you out to destroy somebody who has worked for this agency, which means they’re teaching you loyalty that they are not ever going to reciprocate to you.

KEVIN SHIPP: That’s right.

CANDACE OWENS: And that doesn’t come online for these agents. I think about that all the time as I’m unpacking all of these things and what the CIA has been involved in and, you know, obviously, even speaking to a guy about the moon landing and how many people got killed, you know, bizarrely died in mysterious circumstances. And you just wonder when you see these agents, like, when does it come online? You’re not a part of them.

Like, there is a very small elite who realizes that if they make you think that you’re in – you’re in the cool club, that you’ll do anything for them. That you’ll put your lives on the line. But to – to them, to the people at the very top, they’ll replace you tomorrow. They’ll kill you tomorrow. You know, you’re as good as you can serve them today.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yes.

CANDACE OWENS: And it’s just interesting to hear that – that they were sent to go destroy a CIA agent as if they want the CIA.

KEVIN SHIPP: I was a talker. Working for the wrong place.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

KEVIN SHIPP: If you’re asking me to destroy someone, that’s a colleague.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. Yeah. And I was –

KEVIN SHIPP: For – for what?

CANDACE OWENS: Because he tried to save other colleagues.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. And – and he’s exposing the space that we’ve been trying to hide for decades and all kinds of bad stuff that they buried there.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

KEVIN SHIPP: And I’ll tell you, the – the 20% – the top 20% of the CIA, especially at the highest levels, they’re malignant narcissists. They do not care about human life. Now the – the 80% below, there’s a lot of good patriotic, you know, America loving people just doing their job. But the 20%, that’s where the darkness and the evil is because they – they do not believe in democracy at that level. And, they could care less about the constitution, obviously, because they break federal law all the time. They broke it in my case several times. So, it’s that top dark 20% that – that are doing the same things they’ve been doing since MK Ultra was initiated.

CANDACE OWENS: And MK Ultra was in place for 20 years. That was not a short program.

KEVIN SHIPP: I think it’s still in place.

CANDACE OWENS: Well, you gotta ask yourself, yeah, why would, Thomas, Crooks, shoot – take a shot at Donald Trump and you look at his background? Of course, there’s – there’s under investigation, so they’re not going to release.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. But this guy – this guy had 3 encrypted overseas bank accounts, which I haven’t heard anybody investigate that. He had no history of criminal violence, no threats. He was a brainiac in school. He’d received an award as an honor student.

Of course, he was in a BlackRock commercial, but in my opinion, that was just a coincidence because they were bright students they were interviewing. But – but, this kid had no history, no inclination to – to do that, and yet one day he climbs up and – and does it. Then there’s Sirhan Sirhan. And both Bobby Kennedy and I are absolutely convinced that Sirhan Sirhan was an MK Ultra, He programmed by MK Ultra. That he had no memory of – of shooting, Bobby Kennedy senior.

And, when they went into hypnotize him, they said he was so easy to hypnotize. They had him climbing up and down the walls like a monkey. They could make him do whatever they wanted and he would do it. He’s just – that’s just the way his mind was. Like, it had been really badly messed with.

So, I think Bobby Kennedy and I are convinced that was an MK Ultra subject too.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. I’m very convinced that he is obviously murdered. And somebody also was telling me – someone on the PBD podcast is telling me there’s actually a book that’s super interesting that it wasn’t even him being stabbed that killed him. And, basically, one of the things that you also learn in this chaos book, which is the same, which is that there are corrupt medical examiners.

Suspicious Deaths and Covert Operations

CANDACE OWENS: And after people die, he was telling me that there was an injection that went into his neck and they — that killed him instantly.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: So there’s always a lackey, and then there’s supposed to be someone that makes sure that the job gets done.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yep. And so that’s one.

CANDACE OWENS: I haven’t had time really to explore that death, but Toronto’s running. I really want to look into that, but it’s very likely. You can always tell it in the manner and the swiftness that they locked down investigation and want the media to move on. Because why would the media move on so quickly –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: From someone trying to shoot President Donald Trump if it wasn’t because we were going to find who was implicated was going to the CIA.

And I also was stunned by how every network was covering that rally. Like, every network who pays Trump was there that day –

KEVIN SHIPP: Mhmm.

CANDACE OWENS: And was covering it. And I think about that now when I think about these sort of mass psychoses that is supposed to come out of these events. If everyone’s watching and he’s speaking and then he gets shot on camera and then afterwards, when they were already headed ready to go, they said, you know, Iran did this.

Do you remember this?

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: I was like, what? We got crooks in Iran?

KEVIN SHIPP: I was like, come on.

CANDACE OWENS: We received intelligence from Iran. So, Iran, they were going to do it. Baloney.

KEVIN SHIPP: Of course, it’s baloney.

CANDACE OWENS: Are you – oh, so this random kid was really hooked up with the Iran regime.

KEVIN SHIPP: CIA propaganda. Absolutely.

CANDACE OWENS: And I’m thinking, does anybody believe this nonsense that Iran had anything to do with this? Like, this is the state trying to take out Donald Trump.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And I’m going, please, Trump, do not accept that. They are obviously have trained this kid. And it’s funny you remark on him being a brainiac because, a lot of these and I’m blanking on his name and maybe one of you guys can tell me, the Connecticut shooting, the school shooting that was horrific.

KEVIN SHIPP: Adam Lanza –

CANDACE OWENS: Mhmm.

KEVIN SHIPP: Was another one of these brainiac kids and this FBI gave him a visit after he was able to hack into their computers when he was really young and they said, well, you may work for, you know, the FBI one day. And it’s and I don’t know if it’s alleged or if the – if I actually read this in a mainstream media article that he was visiting Yale often –

CANDACE OWENS: Mhmm.

KEVIN SHIPP: And we know okay. What was he doing? So he – he has to visit early on because he’s a brainiac.

Next thing you know, and you can see in his eyes, he looks drugged out of his mind.

CANDACE OWENS: Oh, absolutely. And so these are the questions that I would have thought years ago was a conspiracy until I really learned about what the MK Ultra program was.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: I mean, we’re talking even attempts to turn someone into a psychopath by sexually assaulting them when they’re young, sodomy, all of these things.

KEVIN SHIPP: Our government did this.

CANDACE OWENS: Yes. They did.

KEVIN SHIPP: They did. They used sexual violence. They used torture, putting them in frozen rooms, hanging them. They used extreme amounts of LSD, extreme amounts of LSD, extreme amounts of electroshock. The – I – the original idea was they were trying to create assassins that would go kill somebody and then have no memory of the event. Sirhan Sirhan.

CANDACE OWENS: And also, John Lennon, the night that he was shot –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: CIA was there about that.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. Yeah. And these normal average people, successful many times intelligent people just go out and do these horrific things with no prior warning or indicators behaviorally at all. And and then, with Adam Lanza, you look in his eyes and some of these people’s eyes and his brain was – was on. He’d been on something for a lot – quite a while. I mean, that’s pretty clear. He was – he’d been driven mentally insane, and that’s what Ultra was designed to do, to – to train criminal killers, but they who would not remember what they did and to train couriers as mules who would courier information over to intelligence agencies and then forget the information that they were just given. Also, to do that, and then to do enhanced interrogations even way back then,

MK Ultra and Government Involvement

KEVIN SHIPP: And the torture program was not just waterboarding, by the way. But they – to do enhanced interrogations back then, and that’s what MK Ultra was all about from, Jolly West Lewis, who was – he was the chief of psychiatry at UCLA and denied any involvement in MK Ultra, which was developed by Doctor Sydney Gottlieb, who – who was the madman of the program.

And, Jolly Lewis, J. West, he went by sometimes. West claimed that he had no – nothing to do with MK Ultra, and – and he would sue anybody that said that he did and up until he died. Well, Tom O’Neil did a superb investigation where he went to UCLA and found his – West’s notes and records that UCLA hadn’t – UCLA hadn’t gotten – gotten rid of yet. And he went through them meticulously, and he found correspondence between Doctor Sydney Gottlieb and West about MK Ultra and how they were going to try to hide it and try to move it out in the field and made that connection right there.

CANDACE OWENS: Shocking from the book.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yes. And in – in Haight Ashbury, Jolly – Jolly West Lewis had his MK Ultra office right next to Haight Ashbury Clinic, and they would refer people over. And some of the people that O’Neil interviewed that were involved in Haight Ashbury said, “Oh, yeah. Manson and the girls came to see Mister West often – all the time.” And then they go out and do this horrific murder, that’s beyond imagination.

CANDACE OWENS: Come on. I think he really hit on a – a big truth there.

KEVIN SHIPP: No. He did.

CANDACE OWENS: And that’s why I say you have to read this book because it really – you – you really have to confront how evil our government has been and therefore is because they have not found – there was some mea culpa – “We did this and we’re sorry.” They just keep these things up and they keep gaslighting us and they keep pretending that these people are one-off Looney Tunes, then you realize that there is some connection with an MK Ultra program or the government had visited them or they were brainiacs.

KEVIN SHIPP: Exactly. You – you really, really have to understand what the MK Ultra program is. And so it completely changes the way that I view all of these events.

CANDACE OWENS: I don’t view them as random at all.

KEVIN SHIPP: It should.

CANDACE OWENS: I know that they want us to view it as random. And I – and it’s so interesting to see as more and more things get exposed. You know, we have the Diddy case and all of the same elements are in everything.

KEVIN SHIPP: Drugs, people not remembering things.

CANDACE OWENS: Mhmm. Beds are somehow involved in the Diddy case or saying, you know, he had a number that he could call. This is being alleged by the person who brought the lawsuit forth and really exploded things that the LAPD, very similar to Charles Manson, there was a person that was working for the feds that could just make things disappear, and they could rely on the media to lie about things that were happening.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Shocking. I’m going but not so shocking once you re-realize this has been going on at least since the sixties.

KEVIN SHIPP: Oh, yeah.

The Epstein Connection

CANDACE OWENS: And so that also brings us into the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

KEVIN SHIPP: I was about to mention that.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. So the Diddy – the Diddy is kind of like the Hollywood of the Jeffrey Epstein, which is something the media worked very hard to bury for a very long time. And the most compelling part of the Jeffrey Epstein thing is how they just sort of released him, and allowed him to live in his house at first.

KEVIN SHIPP: Mhmm.

CANDACE OWENS: And when questioned about this – what’s his name?

KEVIN SHIPP: Acosta.

CANDACE OWENS: Acosta. Acosta said I was told as a judge –

KEVIN SHIPP: He was intelligent.

CANDACE OWENS: That he was intelligent and that is the reason I could not prosecute him.

KEVIN SHIPP: Prosecute it.

CANDACE OWENS: Because there was somebody above me who said I could not prosecute this asset.

KEVIN SHIPP: That’s right.

CANDACE OWENS: What are we to make of that?

KEVIN SHIPP: Absolutely.

CANDACE OWENS: What do you think about it, Kevin?

KEVIN SHIPP: Epstein was a CIA Mossad asset that was recruited and was doing a blackmail operation. I think that’s crystal clear. No question about it.

CANDACE OWENS: So –

KEVIN SHIPP: It tends to be the party guy just like Diddy’s.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

KEVIN SHIPP: Cameras, drugs. The – the CIA as part of MK Ultra had Operation Climax or they were lure – lure in with drugs and prostitutes, and then this drunk CIA schmuck would sit on the opposite of a two-way mirror and take notes on what – you know, just evil wicked stuff. And – and, that’s what they’re using Epstein for was blackmail operations, and they got some pretty high-level people snared into that. And they’re – they haven’t released it – released the entire list of Epstein close – Epstein confidants, but, you know, Israel’s former prime minister was one of them.

CANDACE OWENS: So, which prime minister?

KEVIN SHIPP: Bahud. Trying to remember. You’ll have to – you’ll have to check his – I’m drawing a blank on his name. Bahud something.

CANDACE OWENS: He – they got –

KEVIN SHIPP: Bahud Barak?

CANDACE OWENS: Yes. They got a picture of him visiting Epstein at his New York apartment. And, he was well connected to Epstein, but that was all in secret.

KEVIN SHIPP: Well, that – that is the intelligence part of Mossad. And – and, of course, they couldn’t do that without coordinating with the CIA.

CANDACE OWENS: So the – I asked this question now. The more I learned, there just always seems to be this connection between the CIA and Mossad. And I’m going, is it just –

KEVIN SHIPP: No. We’re the same organization. That’s it.

CANDACE OWENS: The more you look back in the history, and it’s always somehow the CIA and the Mossad is there. On the day that JFK gets shot, we learn about, like, MLK. We learn about 9/11 and then we’re just going, okay. Why does it seem like there’s a union here, a marriage here?

KEVIN SHIPP: Mossad is like the sister of the CIA. They’re joined at the hip. Kinda like Siamese twins and they use each other for intel and operations and things like that. They’re extremely close and in an extremely sensitive relationship.

CANDACE OWENS: Oh, yeah. Wow.

KEVIN SHIPP: And – and this is – it totally explains what Epstein was doing and also Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, Robert Maxwell –

CANDACE OWENS: Yep.

KEVIN SHIPP: When he died – didn’t he die rather mysteriously?

CANDACE OWENS: I’m not sure. He fell off. He’s found dead off his yacht floating in the water.

KEVIN SHIPP: They claimed it was a heart attack –

CANDACE OWENS: Of course.

KEVIN SHIPP: Just when he was coming under scrutiny for arms dealing in connections with the CIA and being a – a Mossad agent. Actually, a double agent with Mossad – KGB. Also, and he’s found dead floating next to his yacht, you know, and –

CANDACE OWENS: Happens all the time.

KEVIN SHIPP: Oh, yeah. It’s just – yeah. Yeah. It’s just one of those things. She would –

CANDACE OWENS: What a ton of Mossad agents and I think a former prime minister of Israel attended his funeral.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. It’s like, guys. Hey, baby. It’s like, you know, you – Elaine. It’s very difficult that – that they find out the hard way to cover up the truth because it’s going to leak out, you know, somewhere. And it’s good investigative journalists and – and people like yourself that look for those leaks and then start digging, which is what we have to do because we’re being lied to constantly.

Ongoing Government Deception

KEVIN SHIPP: Our government has not changed, since Pearl Harbor. It is the same. The CIA is the same at the upper levels. They’re doing the same kinds of things. I was an agent on William Casey’s detail, and one of my posts was in his house.

And, just underneath where he was sleeping, and we – we have – we were protecting him and had a price on his head. So, we were intimately next to William Casey there and in his office and when we were driving the motorcade. But none of us knew that Casey had done an operation to kill a suspected imam by planting a car bomb outside the mosque and, setting it on a timer. Well, the imam that they – that they claimed was a terrorist came out near the car bomb, but one of his patrons asked him the question. So the imam turned around to go back, but the timer was already set.

William Casey’s CIA Operation

KEVIN SHIPP: Bomb went off, killed 64 women and girls at the girls’ school, and it turns out it was the wrong imam. Okay. He was doing that. We were living in his house. We didn’t know because we weren’t up in that 20%.

That’s what I’m talking about. That’s where the darkness is. And when, thank God, Bobby Kennedy is in there now, and I hope the Trump administration now will start hacking away at that top 20%. And in “Twilight of the Shadow Government,” we call – I call – for reform of the CIA and removal of that covert operational power that it has to conceal what it’s doing through secrecy. I’ll tell you one of the last, Kennedy, that wanted to shatter the CIA.

CANDACE OWENS: I know. Not live to tell about it.

KEVIN SHIPP: They are – they are in extreme danger, not just in the United States, but from global powers, both Donald Trump and Bobby Kennedy without question.

CANDACE OWENS: Mhmm. And I think it really is waking up the masses to this so people understand this and don’t think that these events are random.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yep. That offers protection to them in many ways knowing that, like, if you’re not going to run the same Operation Mockingbird and try to tell us that a random person tried to shoot Donald Trump, but we are going to speak about the truth. And you always know when you really have a right to the truth because of the way the media attacks you.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. Right. And the way that I’ve seen the media, once I started getting interested in this and the media attacking me –

KEVIN SHIPP: Oh, yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Gotta be – I’m banned from Australia. I’m like, I’ve never committed a crime in my life. How do you get banned from a country you’ve never committed a crime in your life.

KEVIN SHIPP: That is so true.

CANDACE OWENS: Like, I’m on and I’m on the ADL’s list. I’m going, okay. It’s because I’m telling the truth. And – and when you start treating real truth to power –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Of course, the mockingbirds don’t like it.

KEVIN SHIPP: They are sent down to try to destroy you.

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah.

KEVIN SHIPP: Especially you because you’re coming out with the truth unvarnished, and there’s no question about that. And, of course, I’ve done the same thing with me, conspiracy theorist, rogue, CIA employee, paranoid. Totally crazy.

CANDACE OWENS: We worked with them for years, and we thought that he was so intelligent that he was a part of the 2%. Now he’s a wacko.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. But now he’s a rogue wacko. You know? You expect that. And, you know, we should consider that a badge of honor.

CANDACE OWENS: I do. And that’s why I even put it on my conspiracy theories. And now my – I sell it. I couldn’t care less. I’m like, yep. You got me. I know that you created the term, and we’re going to go ahead and embrace that because we know exactly what you’re up to.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yep.

Historical Events Analysis

CANDACE OWENS: Okay. So now we have to do this thing. And I’m going to ask you and, by the way, just we’re reporting this to be facts, but, like, after I spoke to Judge Joe Brown about MLK and he was – he was the judge in the case and he was then being attacked by the feds. They shot into his house 15 times.

KEVIN SHIPP: Mhmm.

CANDACE OWENS: Crazy for him to be telling the background of that, and he was like, this is how they killed them. The FBI killed them. Here’s the gun they used. They kept the guns. It was incredible to hear him say it was on the show.

But now we’re going to go back in time and I’m going to ask you, who you think did each of these huge events? Okay?

KEVIN SHIPP: Mhmm.

CANDACE OWENS: The killing of MLK Junior.

KEVIN SHIPP: Mhmm.

CANDACE OWENS: You’re told that it was this random guy who happened to have a pass – a couple of extra passports on him that day.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Is he the murderer of MLK Junior?

KEVIN SHIPP: No. That was a CIA operation because they consider him a dangerous communist. And but the FBI was bugging the, in churches where he was giving some of his speeches in churches. They were bugging the podiums and following him around. He was a top target, for elimination. So, and what the CIA does is CIA specifically and sometimes the FBI, there’s always a boogeyman. There’s always one person.

Well, this person did – Osama bin Laden did it, so let’s move on. We got him, so it’s over. You know? They always have one person that’s – that’s their MO. That’s a scapegoat. We got them. The whole operation is over. We solved it now. Forget about it. And, that was the case with Martin Luther King. Same MO. They use that same MO over and over and over. Timothy McVeigh. He was the only one that did that.

CANDACE OWENS: Timothy McVeigh.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. He was MK Ultra. And there were other bombs in the building that were reported initially and then deleted from the media coverage and on and on and on we go.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay. JFK.

KEVIN SHIPP: Mhmm.

CANDACE OWENS: We are told that this guy just shot him and then another guy heroically shot the guy who shot the guy and then as you learn in the chaos book was visited by Jolly West while he was in prison and then he was suddenly insane the next day when the judge saw him. Who was involved? Do you believe the official storyline of how JFK was killed?

KEVIN SHIPP: Absolutely not. For starters, is – have you read the book “The Secret Team” by Fletcher Prouty?

CANDACE OWENS: Oh, I would recommend that book to everybody.

KEVIN SHIPP: Fletcher Prouty had high level access in Department of Defense and CIA tickets, but they forgot to get him to sign a nondisclosure agreement. So when he saw all this, how they played all these things, he came out and he wrote “The Secret Team.” And in “The Secret Team” is his witness account of the JFK assassination, and there was a well-known CIA operator from Vietnam up until that point named Edward Lansdale.

And there’s a photograph of the 3 mysterious men being walked by the sheriff in front of the book depository. And walking by them as one of them smiled was Edward Lansdale, well-known CIA operative. And Prouty worked with him. He knew him. He knew what he looked from behind. He knew about the ring on his finger, and he identified Lansdale as a CIA operative.

George Bush made this mysterious phone call that day claiming that he was in – he was in Dallas. Now George H.W. Bush, long time CIA operative, although he tried to – tried to deny it. He all the way going all the way back to Cuban Missile Crisis, he was a CIA operative. When he was president, CIA in the White House, AKA Iran Contra, and then they promoted him.

So, Edward Lansdale was there. There’s no question about that. Bush called in and said, “I think something may happen today, and I don’t know. I just wanted to warn you about it. I’m in Wisconsin” or wherever he said he was. He was in Dallas, Texas and phoning in a fake phone call that day.

Oswald, without question, had been recruited by the CIA, sent over to Russia as tried to be a double agent, and came back. Was he the only shooter? Absolutely not. The CIA was then working with the mafia, and JFK had fired Allen Dulles, the devil incarnate as we’ve called him. And Allen Dulles – he fired Allen Dulles. So Allen Dulles was having secret meetings with other CIA officials that were now out of there how to get rid of JFK because he was his arch enemy. He fired him. This guy was a power-hungry director. So they were having meetings on how to get rid of JFK – JFK rather.

And so when, the murder happened and the Warren Commission was put together, guess who was in charge of the Warren Commission? Alan Dulles. Alan Dulles who coached all the CIA witnesses of what to say, what not to say, and forbade some of the others from even testifying at all, they put the fox in charge of the hen house. I mean, come on. And then the questions that they asked, as you know, were just absolutely ridiculous.

So, yeah, I think that was a CIA hit, and they may have employed some mafia connections to carry it out because that was their mafia assassination program. And LBJ was very involved in all that in Dallas. He was an evil man.

CANDACE OWENS: He was an evil man. I believe he knew that he was going to get shot because they wanted him in a position because they wanted to go to war every single time when they – when they decide they want war.

KEVIN SHIPP: And what did LBJ do?

CANDACE OWENS: Henry Kissinger that they just went to town in Vietnam, went to town in Cambodia. I mean, they just – they just didn’t stop.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: The murder of Americans not realizing that this is how things work.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yep.

CANDACE OWENS: Okay. What about Pearl Harbor?

KEVIN SHIPP: Pearl Harbor. Admiral Ace Lyons. I don’t know if you’ve heard of Admiral Ace Lyons. I had a radio program called the Intelligence Hour several years ago, and Ace had become a friend of mine because we are working in exposing Benghazi. And Ace Lyons was commander of the Pacific Fleet back during that time. And I asked Ace Lyons about Pearl Harbor, and he goes, “I am still angry to this day.” And I said, “Why?” He goes, “Because they knew the attack was coming – was coming. They knew where it was going to happen to Pearl Harbor and when. And they – they told no one, and they let it happen on purpose.” That – that’s from the commander of the Pacific Fleet. I would say that’s a pretty – pretty credible witness.

CANDACE OWENS: So, yeah, that was a false flag.

KEVIN SHIPP: That. They admitted they had the – and they heard it was going to happen. And, you know, how else were you going to get Americans? You’d be on the side of this war that had nothing to do with us.

CANDACE OWENS: You know?

KEVIN SHIPP: Exactly. And it’s that – that MO is repeated on and on and on and on and up – up through Iraq where the Pentagon even had the Pentagon analyst program. And they were going on Fox News and all these generals that were recruited in this – in this propaganda effort going on pushing the Iraq war. You remember on Fox News and others, there are these generals on promoting – well, that was a propaganda operation by the Department of Defense called the Pentagon analyst program.

CANDACE OWENS: So – so you have to learn about Sigmund Freud and then behind him, Edward Bernays and learn about the World War 2 propaganda.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: Make people everyday just see Germans as the enemy, enemy, enemy, then we have this big event happen. And the boys sign up, and they go to war, and they get killed. And it – it is – it is the exact same thing every time.

KEVIN SHIPP: You know?

CANDACE OWENS: Remarkable intelligence failure. Now we’re being drafted in because we have a right to defend ourselves.

KEVIN SHIPP: It is.

CANDACE OWENS: And we must get involved now with this war that has nothing to do with us. And now we’re in the Middle East which is nowhere near us, but we’re and so – which brings us to 9/11, your opinion.

Analysis of 9/11

KEVIN SHIPP: My opinion. As a criminal investigator, as a former CIA officer, 9/11 was not the act of a bunch of, poorly flight trained terrorists that executed an unbelievably meticulous, piloting of those aircraft, even – even pilots. There’s – there’s pilots for 9/11 truth now, and they say, we could not have done that. Experienced pilots could not have made those maneuvers.

Not possible. And then we go to the passport issue, and we go to the tower 7, which was a controlled demolition.

CANDACE OWENS: Obviously.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. Talk to any structural engineer, and – and – and I have. That was a controlled demolition. I mean, it was perfect. And then, you look at the facts that just don’t add up and the facts that were left out of the 9/11 commission report and then the ridiculous claims that they made, the lack of airports – airplane parts. Excuse me. No landing gear, no – no engines, which we talked about.

So all of that put together and the fact I think George W. Bush blacked out, I think it was 40 pages of the 9/11 report dealing with Saudi Arabia. And the report came out, the 9/11 commission report came out, but those pages were blacked out and he refused to unredact them. So what – wait a minute. This report was supposed to be for the American people on what happened and you blacked all these pages out. What in the world?

I do not think that it was a bunch of, poorly trained or untrained terrorists that did it. I think there was another source behind it. I think it was intentional. And I’m going just from a criminal investigative perspective just looking at the evidence, what evidence we have, that was an intentional act. And it would fall right into the MO that you and I are talking about, horrible event, because human life does not matter to the shadow government deep state or especially the CIA.

It does not matter. Their pawns on their chessboard, they don’t care that 3,000 people were horribly killed that day, but it achieved the aim of gutting the US constitution, bringing in the horrific Patriot Act –

CANDACE OWENS: Mhmm.

KEVIN SHIPP: Giving the CIA unthinkable authority for secret prisons and torture beyond waterboarding and, secret renditions and all of that. The FBI, the ability to spy on Americans came out of the Patriot Act. So it was the perfect national security state, energizer that the Patriot Act was.

And 70 of the congressmen and senators that read the Patriot Act didn’t even read it. They just signed off on it without even reading the bill. So yeah. I mean, that’s my view. And it just –

CANDACE OWENS: My view as well.

The Impact of Government Actions

CANDACE OWENS: Yeah. I mean, you look at these things and you go backwards and you like I said, it just follows that same MO every single time, horrific event, and then –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yes.

CANDACE OWENS: Yelling at everybody. Don’t even ask any questions of what we do next.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yes. If you do, you’re a terrorist sympathizer. You know? Like, you simply – you – you all you care about is defending the terrorists and the police. You don’t care about your safety.

CANDACE OWENS: And there I think there was just one lone congressman who said we absolutely should not be signing the Patriot Act. And –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: You know, the media came down on him very hard.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. How could you have this perspective?

CANDACE OWENS: 3000 Americans have been killed. Again, that emotional conditioning to make us not even think about actually the probability that it’s just an evil government that is willing to kill people to further its imperialistic aims, whatever that may be, whether it’s they want oil, whether they want more land. And so I’m hopeful that people wake up to this because now that I am very aware of this pattern, now that I have confronted the evil of our government, I am deeply fearful, as you said, for Kennedy and Trump and recognizing that if you’re talking about coming up against the deep state, the deep state is quite the enemy to come up against because they have killed presidents in my view, and they have – they will kill as many Americans as it takes to retain their power. And I – I think we have the right team to do it. I think even having it be Kennedy with the history of the Kennedys –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And Trump and his ability to just keep going. It’s remarkable.

KEVIN SHIPP: It is remarkable that we – we really do have this chance and at the same time, people are waking up to what the mainstream media is. So Operation Mockingbird is failing –

CANDACE OWENS: Yes.

KEVIN SHIPP: Which for the first time doesn’t work anymore.

CANDACE OWENS: So they can keep that operation going. It’s good for – it’s good for business for me.

KEVIN SHIPP: That’s right. It is. It is.

CANDACE OWENS: I mean, it’s so encouraging.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. It is. It’s very encouraging. And so now you can hear them starting to have the conversation of we’ve got to get a handle on these podcasters with their misinformation and –

CANDACE OWENS: Go ahead.

KEVIN SHIPP: Make our day. Make our day because the people are awake.

CANDACE OWENS: Yep.

Book Discussion and Support

CANDACE OWENS: Okay. Give everybody the name of your book and where exactly they can find it, guys. This is a must read. You absolutely must read this book.

KEVIN SHIPP: It’s called “Twilight of the Shadow Government, How Transparency Will Kill the Deep State.” I wrote it at some risk because the CIA blacked out – redacted information in my last book “From the Company’s Shadows” that was unclassified, violation of executive order 12356. It’s a felony.

And so I knew that in this book, they were going to either redact the majority of the revelations that we write about or sit on it for a couple of years. So I gave it to the CIA and let them have it for 3 months. There’s an old law that said they have to get it back to you in 30 days. They’d never abide by that, based on constitutional freedom of speech, but they never abide by that. So I let them sit on it for 3 months and and after 3 months, Kent Heckenlidely, my courageous cowriter, we said, alright.

I – they – they asked me for approval. Can you send it to the publisher? And I said, do it. So we sent it to Skyhorse and published it before the CIA approved it, and it’s the only way I could get this out. I took some personal risk, which I’m glad to do because it’s so important.

We don’t know what the CIA is going to do, whether they’re going to try to take my royalties from the book, which they usually try to do. I mean, I’ll – I’ve already been threatened, poisoned, broken into. It’s like, whatever. You know? But I – someone had to take the risk to do that finally to expose what the CIA is.

CANDACE OWENS: Where can people go to support you aside from buying the book? Like, is there any way where people can go to just support you in general? Because I just think that when you see someone like this who’s actually – because, well, actually, it’s funny that you say Skyhorse published it because when my publish – when, my producer first said you want to get this guy on, I instantly went, okay. It’s just going to be a limited hangout. A limited hangout is so – I’m like, you know what I’m talking about?

KEVIN SHIPP: Because CIA allows people in the CIA to allow. I get that a lot.

CANDACE OWENS: And then when I saw that Skyhorse was publishing, I said, oh, no. This means that they, like, the – the publishers will not publish his book, and he’s – he has to go to a more independent type of publisher because I’m dealing with that same thing. They won’t – they – they’re not – I’m not allowed to publish my book anywhere.

Even though I had a New York Times top selling first book, they basically go, oh, no. No. No. No. This girl can’t be published anymore.

So when I saw that, I said, no. This guy’s the real deal. They’re obviously closing doors on him intentionally. And I violated my NDA. And there’s no CIA officer who’ve done that before.

You, and we’ve got to make sure people know your name, know what you’re doing. And so anything shady happens to this guy, we all know who did it.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yep. Yep.

CANDACE OWENS: But where can people go to support you in general?

KEVIN SHIPP: Well, there’s my YouTube channel, Kevin Ship, 1, and and most of my videos there are free. I’m on Twitter now X. It’s at Kevin underscore ship, and I post things about this regularly, or they can find me through Skyhorse. And the – the book, “Twilight of the Shadow Government” is a mission for me. I don’t know if I’m going to be able to keep my royalties.

CANDACE OWENS: I have some – Not please start a go – not a GoFundMe. GiveSendGo?

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. It was a Christian company.

CANDACE OWENS: GiveSendGo, and we will support you because we are – I’m like, you know, we are and it’s – it’s just funny that you’re Christian because I have just felt this is the Christ is king year and Christ is truth the way that you – you – you must just follow the truth and be willing to face the consequences.

I have done that this year, and it’s just funny to hear your background story. Oh, I – my wife got saved because people were praying over me. I left the CIA because a woman randomly said, do you know about Jesus Christ?

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And here you are.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And you realize why they – why – why you were saved when you were young –

KEVIN SHIPP: Yes.

CANDACE OWENS: Why you were chosen to go through CIA. You weren’t chosen by the CIA. I believe you’re chosen by the Lord to do that.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And I agree. Because he wanted you to see it upfront so that you could have, you know, the – you would be able to speak to the public about what we are actually confronting. And you have survived the poison. I mean, you’ve got, like, a lot of lives going on here.

KEVIN SHIPP: The cat. Yeah.

CANDACE OWENS: And so in every capacity that we can support people like this, you guys, I am like, we’ve got to do it. This is what the people that are just trying to tell the truth. So if you do start to GiveSendGo, if they try to take your royalties, please email us. We will be the first people to be like it. And that’s what I’ve been – I’m knocked off of YouTube. I can’t make any money on YouTube. And so we turned to locals and people $1 a month. So I was like, the people are doing this.

KEVIN SHIPP: We exist because of the people. Way to do it. It’s the best way.

CANDACE OWENS: I don’t care about the publishers. I don’t care about any of that stuff.

KEVIN SHIPP: It’s the only way to do it.

CANDACE OWENS: We are creating a network of people that know that Christ is king and that the truth comes from the end, and we just have to keep going.

KEVIN SHIPP: My wife, Sue, has set up a GoFundMe page, so we’ll see what happens.

CANDACE OWENS: Go to GiveSendGo, please.

KEVIN SHIPP: Okay.

CANDACE OWENS: I’ll do that.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. I’ll do that.

CANDACE OWENS: To GiveSendGo, and if you send it to us, we will –

KEVIN SHIPP: Okay. Will do.

CANDACE OWENS: Tell people to support you guys, and they will. Trust me, my audience, they’re hardcore.

KEVIN SHIPP: Awesome.

CANDACE OWENS: They don’t care what the media says. They actually like it. Like I said, if the media calls you a conspiracy theorist –

KEVIN SHIPP: Oh, that’s awesome.

CANDACE OWENS: You’re like, we can trust them. And we – you know, they probably will come after my royalties. I – we – I know that in advance –

KEVIN SHIPP: Whether they’re going to try to say there’s something classified in this booklet to get them for that. Well, I was a classifying authority. I know what’s classified and what’s not. They can try to make that accusation. I don’t think they will because, there is the possibility that they don’t want publicity for this book because no CIA officer has ever done this before and it does not make them look good. So we’ll see. We’ll see what happens.

Closing Remarks

CANDACE OWENS: Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to include the link to his book below. We’re going to hope and pray that they don’t take his royalties, if they do, who cares? Because we are – we are bigger than the CIA. We are.

KEVIN SHIPP: That’s right.

CANDACE OWENS: That is the reality. There’s more of us than there are of them. And, hopefully, there are some CIA agents watching this that are getting the clue here. Like, you know, you’re working for people that don’t really care about you. So why don’t you join – join the people? Join the freedom, join the truth movement. Kevin, I cannot tell you it has been such an honor to have you.

KEVIN SHIPP: Same here.

CANDACE OWENS: These are the conversations that just enrich me, enrich my audience, help us to learn and grow, and remind people that the truth team is winning.

KEVIN SHIPP: That’s right.

CANDACE OWENS: I really do believe that.

KEVIN SHIPP: Yeah. Yeah. That’s –

CANDACE OWENS: Thank you so much.

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