Mel Robbins Podcast: w/ Oprah Winfrey – How to Find Your Unique Purpose (Transcript) 

You feel stuck. You feel overwhelmed. You feel exhausted. You feel that you can’t go forward. You feel you don’t know what to do next. You feel confusion. But everybody has it.

I know one of the reasons why I think I was so successful, and we were number one for 25 years, because I really did not see a difference between me and the audience that was watching. I recognized that we were the same and that I was the surrogate voice for them, that I get to sit there and I get to interview Tom Cruise and I get to interview all the people. But what gave me the power to do it was that I was speaking for the audience, not for myself.

And so I do believe that a lot of people are missing out because they’re not obedient to the call. And the call is within you. It’s not out here. It’s not on social media. You’re not going to hear it from your friends. It means being still enough to know what it is. And you can feel it. It’s just a feeling, doesn’t it? Wasn’t it a feeling?

MEL ROBBINS: (00:08:46 – 00:09:14): It’s a feeling. There is a particular story that you share about being 3 or 4 years old and watching your grandmother through the screen door. And the voice spoke to you in a very firm way about what you don’t want. And I think it might be helpful for the person listening to understand that if you’re not hearing it in the affirmative, it may be easier for you to hear it in the way that it’s like, “Nope,” or “No, don’t want.”

The Grandmother’s Porch: Recognizing the Voice

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:09:14 – 00:11:47): I just had an aha listening to that. You’re right. You’re so right. A lot of people are thinking, “What do I want to do? What I want to do?” Do you know what you don’t want to do? And a lot of times, if you’re in a job that you know you don’t want, that is vital information. You’re in the job that you don’t want. That’s telling you you don’t want to be here. So let’s figure out where I actually do want to be.

So this story I’ve shared often, but it’s so dear to me because it’s the only conscious memory I have of recognizing the voice for the first time. I had to be between 4 and 5, because that’s where round memory starts. But I was very, very small.

And my job with my grandmother was to take out — we had what we call a slop jar because there’s no — it was like a peapot, you know, for using the bathroom because you don’t want to go to the outhouse at night because it’s too dark and there might be snakes in there. And so my job was, as a little girl, too much responsibility, to empty that pot every morning. My other job was to sort the clothespins for my grandmother. She’s hanging clothes on the line so that she doesn’t have to sort them and also pick them up at the same time. And also churning butter, because all you do to churn butter is you just sit there with the stick churning butter. Butter had to be churned back then, y’all. We didn’t have butter.

So I was churning butter on the back porch, looking through the screen door, and it was cold. And my grandmother was hanging clothes on the line, and I’d sorted the clothespins all in one place. And she’s just picking up the clothespins and hanging these sheets because she was a domestic worker and had brought the sheets home from the white people’s houses and was boiling them in the pot. That’s how we cleaned the sheets.

And she said, “Oprah Gail, you better watch me now because one day you’re going to have to learn how to do this for yourself.” And I was just churning the butter and I was watching her. And this feeling came over me that literally spoke to me and said, “No, you won’t. This will not be your life. But don’t tell her because she will not appreciate that.”

MEL ROBBINS: (00:11:49 – 00:11:51): I want to hover on this.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:11:51 – 00:11:51): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:11:52 – 00:12:33): Because there are so many times in my life where I could not hear. I couldn’t even hear the radio. I was so confused. I mean, forget about that little whisper inside me because the noise was so loud. The fear was so loud. The, as you call it, the disease to please. Was just eating me away.

So for the person who’s listening, who has now heard there is a GPS, a light inside you, because it begins here. And you have said, Oprah, that you believe that every single one of us — yes, you are listening right now — Oprah believes, I believe that you have a light within you. You are here for a very unique and particular purpose.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:12:34 – 00:12:40): Yeah. And don’t get confused that it’s some big thing that has to be seen. I think a lot of people think when it’s—

MEL ROBBINS: (00:12:40 – 00:12:44): You talk about purpose. Wait, what’d you say? Okay, hold on a second. I want to make sure that you heard that.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:12:44 – 00:12:50): Don’t get confused that, oh, it has to be a big thing. It has to be Instagrammable.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:12:51 – 00:12:51): Yes.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:12:51 – 00:12:51): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:12:52 – 00:12:54): I think that’s where we — you’re like, okay, my thing needs to be out here.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:12:55 – 00:12:57): Yeah. No, no, no, no. That’s where you’re wrong.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:12:57 – 00:12:58): It’s in here where you start.

Your Platform Is Wherever You Are

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:12:58 – 00:13:22): It’s in here. And it’s also, how do you best serve where you are? You know, when I ended the show, I said that I had had this marvelous platform of speaking to millions of people on a daily basis. But every person has a platform. Your family is your platform. Your community is your platform. Your church is your platform. Your job is your platform.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:13:23 – 00:13:23): Your work.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:13:24 – 00:13:57): You have the ability to reach and touch people’s lives wherever you are. If you touch the life, you still have a legacy. And so for everybody, everyone who listens and hears us, your legacy isn’t the big, big, big picture. It’s what you’re doing today. It’s how you speak to the person at the dry cleaners. It’s how you talk to the person who’s parking your car. It’s how you’re treating the people in your immediate circle. That’s how you will be remembered. And that’s the heart print that you leave or don’t leave with people.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:13:57 – 00:13:58): Heart print?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:13:58 – 00:15:33): Yes, it’s the heart print that you leave or don’t leave. Actually, I learned that word from a little guy named Mattie Stepanek, who was on my show. And he was in a wheelchair and ended up dying when he was 13, but really one of the wisest little angels who’d come to Earth. And he used to say, whenever you touch someone’s heart, whenever you’re moved by something someone does, you leave a heartprint. And so we’re leaving heartprints all the time.

And you know that wonderful phrase that Maya has about people don’t remember what you say or what you did, but they always remember how you made them feel. So just be responsible for the energy that you’re carrying into the world and understanding that you are a part of the bigger picture. We are all a part of the big thing. We are all here.

And I know it’s so hard when the price of eggs, the price of everything, the price of just living seems so overwhelming. But there is a deeper reason other than just working to survive. And when you recognize that, I think it gives you room to breathe in a deeper force field. It’s not just about the job, that the real work of your life is to figure out why you actually came. The real work of your life is why did you actually come? And I know, I can tell just by listening to you that you have figured that out.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:15:33 – 00:15:33): Me?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:15:33 – 00:15:35): Yeah, that you are in service to the call.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:15:36 – 00:15:39): Absolutely. In service to the call. Thanks for confirming that. It’s true.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:15:39 – 00:15:40): Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:15:40 – 00:15:41): It’s true.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:15:41 – 00:15:44): And it wasn’t always that way. It wasn’t always that way for me.

Chaos, Fear, and Finding the Light

MEL ROBBINS: (00:15:44 – 00:16:33): I lived in chaos, fear, anxiety, self-destruction, people pleasing. Addiction. Oh my God. It’s interesting because when you’re in chaos in your head, it’s so loud that I couldn’t hear what you’re saying in those moments. I feel pulled to wanting to tap into the light and to trust myself and to find that inner GPS. I honestly didn’t know how, which is why I kept coming back to you. You would be the voice that would silence everything. And then I would start to practice what I was learning. And I would love to have you expand on this because I know the person that’s thinking right now is probably thinking, “Okay, well, easy for you. Easy for you.”

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:16:33 – 00:16:34): Or “easy for you, Oprah.”

MEL ROBBINS: (00:16:34 – 00:17:06): “Easy for you.” Yes. Which is a deflection. Because when you start to blame and get triggered by the very thing that could save you and help you and free you, that’s a sign that you want it, but you don’t know how. Having met with so many people that have found purpose and meaning and peace in their life versus people who are very stuck, is there a difference between those two people in terms of if somebody’s very stuck right now?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:17:06 – 00:19:22): Yeah, I think the difference is if you’re very stuck right now, it’s because you can’t see the bigger picture. You can’t see that the source of all being didn’t bring you here to get you stuck. It brought you here so that you can continue to move forward and offer what you came to give to the rest of us, to the rest of the world. That’s all we’re all here to do, is to bring our offerings. And our offerings come from every lesson we’ve ever learned. Don’t you see that now?

Maya actually wrote a book of poetry called “I Wouldn’t Take Nothing for My Journey Now.” But she used to sing the song. It’s an old hymn. “I wouldn’t take nothing for my journey now. For my journey now. For my journey now. Oh, I wouldn’t take nothing for my journey now.”

And that means all the stuff that was a part of the journey to this moment, I wouldn’t take nothing for it. And I feel that. And I want you to know that whatever has happened to you was also happening for you once you could recognize why it was happening to you, no matter how horrible it was.

And that’s why I can say, in spite of the sexual abuse, in spite of growing up poor — not only in spite of, I am so grateful to have been born literally red dirt road poor in Mississippi with no running water and electricity. I am so grateful for that. I am so grateful for having an outhouse and not knowing what a bathroom was for the first 6 years of my life. Because it makes every darn time I flush my toilets like a wow experience. I’m just like, wow. So it makes coming from that dirt road so much more thrilling, that journey.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:19:22 – 00:19:30): If somebody is sitting there thinking right now, especially the line, “Everything happens for you, Oprah.”

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:19:30 – 00:19:30): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:19:31 – 00:19:51): I mean, come on. The things that are violent and terrifying and awful that I don’t deserve, how do you flip that in your mind so that the things that happened to you don’t keep you there? Because there’s a real flip there. Because I’ve never liked that saying, “Everything happens for a reason.”

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:19:52 – 00:19:52): I know.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:19:52 – 00:20:29): Because I just believe that sometimes very cruel and unfair and horrible things happen to people who don’t deserve them. But I think a lot about how to truly grow and reclaim your life after something like that, you have to find a reason to move forward after it. Can you just dig even deeper for the person who’s really feeling like, “I don’t know how to embrace ‘everything happens for me’ as a mindset so I can move forward”?

Why Bad Things Happen: Finding Reason, Not Blame

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:20:30 – 00:21:33): Well, when it happens, if you don’t move forward, then you just get stuck and your life debilitates. And one of the things that becomes a debilitating energy, a debilitating force field. And so when I say it happens for a reason, I don’t mean, oh, there’s a reason for everything. I mean that when that thing shows up for you, that often feels unfair, that often you don’t understand.

Why was I raped at 9? Why did that happen to me? I, at the time, couldn’t see any good coming from it. Why did I have to grow up poor in Mississippi in an environment where it was illegal for Black people to be on the street after dark? All the things that happened in my family life. Why was I raped again at 10 and 14? Why?

MEL ROBBINS: (00:21:33 – 00:21:34): Why?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:21:34 – 00:21:57): Why? Why? I mean, I’m actually not supposed to be here. And people have more horrific stories, unimaginable stories than mine and yours. So I don’t mean that like, oh, willy-nilly, everything’s happening and there’s a reason for it. There’s a reason for everything, but it doesn’t mean you’re responsible for the reason or that that thing should have happened to you.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:21:57 – 00:21:57): Yes.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:21:58 – 00:23:32): And so really bad things happened to me. I grew up feeling very lonely. And I know a lot of people grow up — most people grow up not getting what they need. I remember doing a show with John Bradshaw, who is the founder of the whole inner child movement. John Bradshaw did an exercise where he had people go back into their childhoods and look through the window. Walk yourself home. And then look through the window of your home. And what do you see?

And I saw myself separated from my grandmother and my grandfather, but feeling very much alone. I don’t actually remember feeling loved by my mother or my grandmother growing up. I now know they loved me, in the best way they knew how. But I didn’t feel it. And because I didn’t feel it and didn’t get what I needed, that is what inspired me to be such a talker. To be a speaker, to be an orator, to do so well in school, because that’s where my validation came from. I felt no validation from home. So I felt love from my teachers. I felt pleasing my teachers, made my teachers like me. I felt a sense of satisfaction and worthiness outside my home, not inside my home. Because I didn’t get that from the people that I needed it from. I got it from the world. I got it from strangers.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:23:33 – 00:23:33): Yes.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:23:34 – 00:25:02): Because we all have a design for our lives. One of the things that impressed me so much to be able to find peace within my own family — because I grew up, as I said, not feeling loved. But once I became Oprah Winfrey, everybody loved me. Everybody.

I was driving in Chicago and my mother was in the car and she goes, “We didn’t have much, but we sure had love.” I almost wrecked the car. Like, what are you talking about? Who are you talking to? I said, what did you just say? She goes, “Well, we didn’t have much, but we sure had love.” When? So I know that I never felt it. I know that I was never shown it. I don’t remember one moment ever when my mother ever complimented me or said, “I’m proud of you.”

I do remember being young and reading in the house, and it was summer and it was hot, and I was sitting in a corner reading, and my mother goes, “What you doing in here sitting up in here reading in the house? You need to get out there with all these other kids. You think you better than everybody else just sitting up in this house reading?” So I remember being punished for wanting to read. But I made peace with my mother. I made peace long before she died.

The 10-Gallon Person Lesson

MEL ROBBINS: (00:25:03 – 00:25:29): Well, this is one of the pivotal things that I learned from you. And it was the life class that you did with T.D. Jakes. And I would love for you to share what he taught you, because it forever changed my ability to see people in my life very differently. Could you explain? Because that was—

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:25:29 – 00:27:54): Oh, that was a fantastic life class that I did with him. And it actually struck me too, because I remember crying, like tears just shot out flowing when he said that, because it was so affirming for me. He said that you’re a 10-gallon person. I’m a 10-gallon person. A lot of you are 10-gallon people trying to get 10 gallons worth of love from pint-sized people who cannot carry the 10 gallons. They can’t even carry the gallon. You’re looking for 10-gallon love, 10-gallon responses, 10-gallon reception, 10-gallon acceptance from people who have a pint-sized ability.

So what I learned from that is that expecting people to offer you or give you the love, the attention that you need, who do not have the capacity to do it — they just don’t have it. And you have to recognize they don’t have it. So what do they have? Can I accept you exactly where you are with what you do have?

And so my mother could cook. She made some incredible collard greens and could make cornbread like nobody else. And that was the way she offered love. And her idea, just like I know a lot of you have grown up with parents, especially if you’re my generation or below my generation, you have parents who thought because I provided for you, that was love. You had food on the table. You had shelter. You weren’t on the streets. That was all I had. That was all I had.

And I realize now my mother was a maid her entire life until I retired her. My grandmother was a maid, a domestic worker, taking care of other people’s kids. You’re giving all of your energy to taking care of other people’s kids, putting on the face for them, wearing the mask for them. And by the time you came home, you had nothing left for me. I recognize that now, and I forgive that. And you know my favorite definition?

MEL ROBBINS: (00:27:55 – 00:27:59): Oh, well, I’m going to let you say it because this changed my life, too. Your definition of forgiveness.

On Forgiveness and Acceptance

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:28:00 – 00:29:15): Yes. Is giving up the hope that the past could be any different. If you are still wishing, hoping, wanting what happened to you to be something different than what it was, that will leave you so stuck. So you forgive for yourself. You forgive to say, “I am going to release this thing that happened to me,” and, first of all, get to the stage that requires all of us to move forward. And that is acceptance.

Elizabeth Kübler-Ross in her famous 5 stages of grief, you go through denial, and you go through anger about it, and you go through telling yourself it could be different. And then you get to acceptance. When you get to acceptance, when you’ve lost someone or any other job or relationship, acceptance leads you to freedom. And until you get there, you’re still just living in the past. You’re hoping that it could be different. That is the best definition I’ve ever known.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:29:15 – 00:29:48): It’s hard to apply when you first hear it because there’s so much holding on to and bargaining with and wishing things were different. And the wishing things were different, whether it’s wishing this tragedy didn’t happen or wishing the mom or the dad could have been a 10-gallon person even though they’re a pint-sized person, it keeps the pain alive.

Oh my gosh, it’s Mel. I have an invitation. I want you to come with me to Vegas to experience something extraordinary with Oprah Winfrey.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:29:49 – 00:29:58): Yes, it’s the ultimate aha. It’s not a show. It’s an experience. It’s to be felt, not just seen.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:29:59 – 00:30:08): This is at Sphere, and it’s not a speech. It’s not a show. It’s an immersive experience. I cannot wait to be in the audience with you. Oprah?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:30:08 – 00:30:17): Yeah. I have had this dream for quite a while, and I want people to come along and experience consistent aha moments of awe, wonder and joy.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:30:18 – 00:30:54): Ah, I need wonder. I need joy. I need the connection. I cannot wait to experience what you’ve put together. “Aha,” April 2nd through the 4th, live at Sphere. It’s a call to wonder, a call to joy, and the ultimate aha moment. Visit ahalive.com for presale sign-up and travel packages, and you better go fast. I already got my tickets. I’m going with my daughters and some — oh my gosh, I’ll see you in the audience.

You talked about how you had a job in the beginning hosting a show.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:30:54 – 00:30:54): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:30:54 – 00:31:02): And then you had an awakening when you realized through the power of your intention, you could use this platform as a force for good.

The Power of Intention

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:31:03 – 00:35:03): You know, in the beginning, I was just doing a job, just like so many people that are listening to us and watching us right now. I was just working at a job. But that decision to change my job and my work into a force for good, to actually use it as not just a show — to recognize it’s not just a show, but you have a platform here, and you can use this to help other people see themselves.

But I had got caught up into the whole confrontational television. And my producers were so proud of themselves because they had gotten a guy to come on with his mistress and his wife, which — unheard of that you can get the 3 of them together on national television. So they were on the show. And I had no idea. I mean, I’d read the background and he was having an affair. This was not in our preview.

And so, he says to her on the air, to his wife, he turns to his wife and he says, “Well, what you don’t know is that she’s pregnant.” And I’m telling you, the audience gasped. I gasped. And I looked at her face and I said, “Never again will that happen to me. Never again.” I was so angry with myself and upset with the producers who were so proud of themselves. And they go, “We didn’t know he was going to say that.”

Because her humiliation still abides with me, but was a great teacher for me because I thought — if y’all are listening right now — the worst thing you can ever do to anybody is to cause them to be humiliated. That’s why if you’ve got to criticize somebody, if you have something to say to somebody that’s going to be hurtful or is going to put them in a position where they feel devastated, you never, ever, ever do that in front of other people. Because then they have the humiliation and then the shame of it.

So I said to myself, I cannot live with myself doing that to somebody. And I apologized to her afterwards and him afterwards. We’re on live television, though. I know she never got over it because I have still, to this day, never gotten over it. And I said to my producers, never again will that happen. We’re not doing that anymore.

Because around this time, in the late 1980s, I was reading Gary Zukav’s book, “The Seat of the Soul.” And in that book, one of the best books of my life, actually, he has 2 chapters on intention. And he talks about intention being one with cause and effect. And you all know that cause and effect is the first — is the law of karma. It is what you put out is coming back.

And when I got that, I got it. It changed everything for me because I used to be such a huge people pleaser. I didn’t know how to say no. And what I learned from the principle of intention is that if you’re saying yes because you want to please the person, that is what they feel. They feel your pleasure. They feel your acquiescence. They feel your desire to make them feel okay. They don’t know that behind it, you are resentful. They don’t recognize that behind it, you really didn’t want to do it because you said you wanted to. You said yes.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:35:03 – 00:35:03): Yeah.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:35:04 – 00:35:52): So as soon as I got clear on, oh, the reason why people keep coming back — it’s because they are feeling my intention of wanting to please them and not wanting to hurt their feelings. So I don’t hurt their feelings. Not only do I not hurt their feelings, I make them feel pretty good. That’s why when you loan money or you give something, or you’re the person who’s carpooling and they always ask you to be the carpooler, it’s because they know when they come to you, you’re going to say yes.

And so when I learned to say no, I then carried that principle of intention. I sat down with all the producers and said, we’re no longer going to do a show unless we come from the point of view of intention. So when you present me the ideas, I want the intention for the idea alongside the idea.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:35:52 – 00:35:53): Yes.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:35:53 – 00:36:11): And so every show then after 1989 became designed around the intention of how are we going to let people be enlightened, uplift them, see something today, hear something today that’s an aha moment for them that changes the direction for them.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:36:12 – 00:36:28): Yes. You, as you’re listening or watching right now, you have a platform right in front of your face. It’s your family. It’s your community. And through the power of your intention, you can start to be a force for good exactly where you are.

Shifting the Paradigm of Work

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:36:28 – 00:38:26): And I would say — let me just say to you, if you’re just at a job right now, shift the paradigm in your mind about the why you’re doing that job. Even if you say, “Well, I’m just doing this job to make money for my family because I’ve got to make ends meet,” then let every single step you take in that job, every single move you make in that job, even though that job may be boring and even though that job may be irritating to you, let it be for the love of your family. Never, ever, ever lose sight — every day you’re walking out of the door: “This I do for the love of my family. This I do to show that I am a provider and one who can offer to my family a sense of safety, a sense of comfort.” Just that little shift makes a difference in the way the workday moves.

And whatever the job or the work is, to be able to shift it to, how do I use this thing that I’m doing that is boring the hell out of me or that is irritating to me? And I got a boss. How do I use this in service to something greater than myself? How do I use this to serve? And I’ve had these conversations with people who have supposedly dull jobs and whatever. And I sat down with a guy one day, and by the end of our little conversation, he was crying. I was saying, so why do you do this work? And what are you doing it for? And he goes, “Well, I’m just, you know, I got to pay the bills.” And so you’re paying the bills for what? “I’m paying the bills so my family can eat.” And you’re paying the bills so your family can eat. And who is your family? And tell me about your daughter.

So when you change the paradigm of what you’re doing and shift why you’re doing it to an intention behind doing it, it lightens it. It lightens it.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:38:26 – 00:38:37): Because if we go back to some of your teaching, the energy you put out is the energy you get back. So if you are bargaining with life and not able to accept it, the energy is resistance.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:38:37 – 00:38:46): Absolutely. And if you’re in the energy of resistance, you’re going to be stuck in resistance. And so I often ask myself, if something’s not going the way I want, what is it I’m resisting?

MEL ROBBINS: (00:38:46 – 00:38:56): Oh, okay. So if you’re in a — like, can you give me an example? Something’s not going the way you want and you’re starting to feel bothered by it or upset or stuck, you ask yourself—

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:38:56 – 00:40:07): What am I resisting? What am I resisting? For every person who is listening to us right now, you know whether or not your life is in flow or not. It can’t flow unless you’re in flow. And so if you’re out of order, your house is out of order, your closets, your car.

I was just sharing with someone the other day that I used to drive this little Chevy Chevette, and I would do my hair on the way to work. And I’d take the rollers out, and I’d throw the rollers in the back, and change my — at the stop signs. And then at one point, if you do that every day, after a while, you look in your car, and your car is like a wreck. And I was coming to my car one day, and I looked in the car, and I was like, whoa, my life is like that right now. This car represents my life right now. And so I started taking them out one roller at a time, find $0.25 under the car seat, all that stuff. But I have learned that getting out of flow with myself, getting off center, not listening to this inner GPS is what causes disruption in all the areas of my life.

What Do You Really Want?

MEL ROBBINS: (00:40:08 – 00:40:15): I’ve heard you say that one of the most important questions that you can ask yourself is, “What do I really want?”

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:40:15 – 00:40:15): Want. Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:40:16 – 00:40:20): Why is that such a hard question for so many people to answer?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:40:20 – 00:41:31): Because most people that I have encountered in my life experience of talking to thousands and thousands of people — and I used to sit after the show with everybody and literally talk to the audiences about where you’re from and what you want and what do you want to do. And I’d ask that question, “Tell me, what do you want?” And women would stand up and say, “Well, I just want to be happy, Oprah.” And I said, well, what would make you happy? They’d say, “Well, my children.” And what’s going to make you happy when your children are no longer in the home? What makes you happy other than your children being happy?

Most people could not identify that. And what does that happiness look like for you? So are you going to live your dream, or are you going to live the dream that the world has decided, that Instagram has decided, that X has decided, that Threads has decided that you should live? What is the dream you hold in your heart? And the reason why I wanted to talk to you about this is because you and your audience understand that there’s more.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:41:32 – 00:41:32): Oh.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:41:33 – 00:44:27): And I started to listen to my audience back in the — when did this happen? Late ’80s, early ’90s. And women started to actually say out loud to me, “Mel, you know, I’ve done everything.” When I say, what do you want? They say, “I’ve done everything. I’ve got the college degree. I’m married. I have the house. I have all the things. I have the Le Creuset pots. I have the whole thing. But it just feels like there’s got to be more than this. There’s something more. There’s something more.”

And I said to my producers, people keep saying the same thing, that they realize that there’s more. And I believe we know what it is. And we got to show them what it is. What they’re missing is the connection to the spiritual core within themselves, not a religion, which I got accused of. “Oprah’s now trying to create her own church. Oprah started the Church of Oprah.” No, they’re missing the essence within themselves. They’re missing being centered in that GPS guidance for themselves. So how do we give them that?

And we started, Mel, doing these little clips called “Remembering Your Spirit.” And I remember doing a show where Caroline Myss was on with her book, “Anatomy of the Spirit.” And the audience was watching, but I could see they had gone somewhere else. And I stopped the show and I said, “Hey, are you all not tracking?” And they said, “Well, what is she talking about, spirit?” This was in ’92.

Wow. In 1992, people didn’t know, weren’t familiar. They said, “Are you talking about Jesus? Are you talking about Moses? What are you talking about?” I said, no, I’m talking about — you have a mind, right? You have a body. You have a soul or you have a spirit. That’s what she’s talking about, the soul of yourself. There’s something deeper than just your mind that you feel in the most quiet, still moments of your being with yourself. And that’s the something more that you’re talking about that you’re looking for. And if you stay connected to that thing, you will never be guided wrong.

Now, I can talk the talk, and most days I live it. But oh my God, when it came time to end the show, I made one of the biggest mistakes, actually, of my life. And that is, I didn’t listen to that GPS. And I struggled. I mean, 2012 was one of the worst years of my life. Every single story headline about me was “Oprah and the Struggling OWN Network.” And it was hurtful and painful to me because it was the truth. I was struggling. I was hurting. And I was so angry with myself.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:44:28 – 00:44:29): What did you not listen to?

The OWN Network Mistake

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:44:30 – 00:44:52): I did not listen to — the voice inside myself was so strong telling me not to do it that I would wake up in the middle of the night and couldn’t breathe. And I’d say, “Don’t do it. Don’t do it. Don’t do it. Don’t do it. Don’t do it.” And then I’d say, “But I already signed. I already signed. I already said I was going to do it.”

MEL ROBBINS: (00:44:54 – 00:44:54): You dummy.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:44:55 – 00:44:58): I mean, what? I already said—

MEL ROBBINS: (00:44:58 – 00:44:59): You’re human?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:44:59 – 00:44:59): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:44:59 – 00:45:00): How dare you, Oprah?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:45:00 – 00:45:04): I know. I know. Oh, but I already said I was going to do it. And now I—

MEL ROBBINS: (00:45:04 – 00:45:05): And I got to be my word.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:45:05 – 00:45:06): I got to keep my word.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:45:06 – 00:45:12): But here’s what’s interesting. Let’s pull this apart because I want to learn from you because I don’t want to wake up.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:45:12 – 00:45:12): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:45:13 – 00:45:18): 5 years from now when you say I have to keep my word.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:45:18 – 00:45:20): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:45:20 – 00:45:26): We must, from this point forward, Oprah, add to whom. To whom.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:45:26 – 00:45:26): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:45:27 – 00:45:30): Am I keeping my word to the outside life?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:45:30 – 00:45:31): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:45:31 – 00:45:34): Or am I keeping my word to the inside?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:45:34 – 00:46:47): And what I ultimately understand now that that decision was because I was keeping my word, not because I wanted to keep my word. This is the real truth. I’ve never said this before. I was keeping my word because I was trying to please the people on the other side. I was thinking, “Okay, what are they going to think of me for changing my mind?”

And this is what I want you all to learn from the lesson I knew but didn’t pay attention to. You always have the right to change your mind. If the people are in the church, sitting in the pews, and you’re getting ready to walk down the aisle, and you know inside yourself, “I should not be marrying this person,” you always have the right. I talked to someone a long time ago — why are you getting married? You don’t even argue with each other. But the invitations have gone out. You always have the right to change your mind. And so I didn’t take my own lesson from that. And I struggled. I struggled. I struggled.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:46:47 – 00:46:52): You know, that’s the thing about the irrefutable laws of the universe. You don’t just learn them once.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:46:52 – 00:46:53): You don’t learn them once.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:46:53 – 00:46:54): You have to learn them over and over.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:46:54 – 00:46:59): But I did. I have to learn that again. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. And that’s why I was so angry with myself. Why?

MEL ROBBINS: (00:47:00 – 00:47:01): Why do you think it was happening for you?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:47:01 – 00:47:03): Yeah, it was happening for me.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:47:03 – 00:47:14): So what — if you zoom out and say, “I needed that because of why?” What was the lesson in that?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:47:15 – 00:47:25): The lesson in it was that you didn’t take it the first time because I’d already made that mistake. And this is what I also know, that if you don’t get the lesson, it comes around wearing a different pair of pants.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:47:25 – 00:47:28): What does it feel like in your body when you’re out of alignment?

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:47:29 – 00:48:21): Oh, I was sick. I was like behind a wall. I wasn’t clinically depressed, but I became numb and numb and numb to receiving, numb to giving, numb to just trying to fix it. How do we fix it? How do we fix it? What do I do? What do I do? What do I do? And if you’ve ever made a mistake and you knew before making the mistake it was a mistake, there’s nothing worse than being mad at yourself. Where you say, “I knew that. I knew that. I knew, knew, knew, knew, knew, knew that. I knew that and I still did it.” But I also understand that it was not being guided. I mean, the universe can’t do any better for you than you waking up in the middle of the night and you can’t breathe.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:48:21 – 00:48:50): Okay. Did you hear that? If you’re waking up in the middle of the night and you can’t breathe, if you’re pulling into a job that you hate going into, if you see the text message from the person and you go, “ugh” — yeah, that is a huge sledgehammer from the universe that we ignore and ignore and ignore.

Hey, it’s Mel. I have a crazy amazing invitation. I want you to come to Vegas with me and Oprah Winfrey.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:48:51 – 00:49:14): Please come because it’s going to be the ultimate aha experience using the Sphere as a lighthouse to really ignite the light within people. They’re going to feel something really profoundly with a sense of knowing your greater value to the planet, to intention, to your calling and your purpose. That’s the whole idea.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:49:14 – 00:51:15): Holy cow, it’s at the Sphere April 2nd through the 4th. You do not want to miss this. It’s going to awaken something incredible in you. You’re going to get exactly what you need — connection, inspiration. Holy cow, community. Your mind is going to be blown. “Aha,” April 2nd through the 4th, live at Sphere. A call to wonder, to joy, and the ultimate aha. Visit ahalive.com for presale sign-up and travel packages. And you better go fast. I already got my tickets. I’m going with my daughters and some — oh my gosh. I’ll see you in the audience.

I want to read to you this passage in your blockbuster bestseller. This is the 10th anniversary edition, “What I Know for Sure.” What I love about this book is that it’s all essays from O, The Oprah Magazine that you wrote. And as I read each one, I can remember reading it.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:51:15 – 00:51:17): Oh, really? Because you read every magazine.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:51:17 – 00:52:14): Oh, did I ever? I was a student. Yeah, I was a student. I love this. This is on page 39.

“Whenever I’m faced with a difficult decision, I ask myself, what would I do if I weren’t afraid of making a mistake, feeling rejected, looking foolish, or being alone? I know for sure that when you remove the fear, the answer you’ve been searching for comes into focus. And as you walk into what you fear, you should know for sure that your deepest struggle can, and if you’re willing and open, produce your greatest strength.”

For the person who’s listening right now, and like in those moments when you’re afraid and you start to question everything, how do you find the truth when the fear is so loud? Because the truth can feel quiet or scary.

Moving from Baltimore to Chicago

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:52:17 – 00:57:08): This reminds me of moving from Baltimore to Chicago and everybody around me telling me that the move to Chicago was going to destroy me, and that I was living in Baltimore, and you’re doing well, and you’re an anchorwoman, and you should just keep this job. And my father, my own father, was like, well, you’re not going to ever find a job like this again. And it was safe.

But this is the most important thing. Understanding that the source, whatever you call it, from which you’ve come, has put you here for a greater reason than whatever the small thing in front of you is. Whatever you’re looking at is only a piece of the picture of your whole life. So one of the reasons why I’ve been able to maintain the center of myself is because even in that moment of struggle, with OWN in the beginning of building that network, I was sad. I was numbed. I was depressed. I was angry with myself. But I knew trouble don’t last always. I knew that that, too, would eventually pass. I didn’t know how because I live in the center of knowing that there’s a bigger reason why I’m here.

And I have always understood that I am a child of the universe. I am God’s child. I am born to Vernon and Vernita Lee. But my coming here is such a frickin’ miracle. My parents were only together one time. One time. They never — it was literally a one afternoon delight. It wasn’t even a one-night stand. One time. And I, born colored — we weren’t even Black then — colored in Mississippi, where the dream for a colored girl did not exist.

So this miracle that has become my life, I know exists for everybody who is willing to tap into the source of themselves. And that’s what has eliminated my ultimate fears. I mean, I’ve been anxious about things, but I know that ultimately I belong to something bigger than myself and that my reason for being here is bigger than a job or bigger than what I could even know. And so my message and my offering to your audience is to ask the life force to use you for its highest good. Not you just tell it what you want. To use you for its highest good.

I will share this story. There was a producer of mine in Baltimore who was the richest person I’d ever seen or known. Her name was Arlene Weiner. Her husband’s a famous attorney there. And I went to her house when I was 28, 29 years old, and she had us all over. And I was like, wow, Arlene is rich. And I went into her home. And there it is, looking out the window, all these trees in the front yard. I counted 6 trees out of her window. I thought, wow, if I ever get some money, I’m going to have me some trees. I don’t care about the cars, but I’m going to have me some trees.

And one morning I was sitting in the kitchen waiting on the water to boil, making tea. And I looked out the window, and there were the 6 trees. I went, whoa! There were those trees that I’d seen in Arlene’s yard. And I walked out around to the porch, and I counted the trees, but I couldn’t even count all of the trees. I could see the 6 from the window, but I couldn’t see the hundreds beyond the 6. So I literally — you’ve been to my home. I live in a forest.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:57:08 – 00:57:09): Yeah.

Living in the Forest of Dreams

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:57:11 – 00:59:29): I had a dream for 6 trees. My dream was 6 trees. The life force that I call God had a bigger dream for me. And that is my message. Whatever dream you’re dreaming, surrender that dream to the force that brought you here, regardless of what name you give that force. Because what I know is the force, by all the names that we call God, ain’t jealous about the name. Ain’t going to be jealous about the name. It’s not going to say, “Oh, you didn’t call me Allah, you didn’t call me Jehovah, you didn’t call me God.” Okay, whatever you call that, whatever that is, the life force that brought you here. Lean into that dream for you because there is a dream for your life, for your life, for my life. Don’t live in your little small 6-tree dream. Don’t live it. Live in the forest of dreams for yourself. Lean into that.

And I think the reason why people are so stuck, because they can’t see their connection to the thing that’s greater than themselves. Your life isn’t this small. It belongs to the world. The reason why we’re all here is to give to the world, to give to myself, to feed myself, to take the lessons that I have learned, to go forward, to understand what happened to me happened to me so that I can use it. I was raped so that I can help other women who were raped. I was not seen so that I could see other people. All the things that I didn’t get, I now can give to other people, as can you, as you are doing. That’s what it’s for.

When you say it’s all happening for a reason, oh my goodness, it’s happening so that it feeds and fuels you in a way that you have more to give. That’s the lesson that we’re missing. And we’re missing it because we’re so narrowly tracked. We’re like in our phones and da-da-da-da-da. And you think your life is this big, but it belongs to the world. Belongs to the world.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:59:30 – 00:59:44): And I want you to really pay attention because I remember moments in my life where my life felt so small. The job I hated, the relationship I didn’t have the courage to get out of, the debt that I was in, the anxiety I was feeling.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:59:44 – 00:59:46): I’ve been there too. I’ve been there.

MEL ROBBINS: (00:59:46 – 00:59:52): Here’s the thing that is hard to believe, but I’m going to say it anyway.

OPRAH WINFREY: (00:59:52 – 00:59:52): Yeah.

Small Acts, Powerful Energy

MEL ROBBINS: (00:59:52 – 01:00:49): If you can get yourself out of bed and if you can get yourself out the door, you can do a little experiment where you can prove to yourself that you are powerful beyond measure. In fact, I just did it this morning. It was 5:55 and I had come out of the hotel and I was walking across a crosswalk and there was a woman that was walking, that had her shoulders down and was looking at the ground and was like frowny face and walking. And, you know, it’s 5:55. And as I walked up to her, I smiled and just said, “Good morning.” And she perked right up and said, “Well, good morning.” And we just smiled and had this positive energy exchange. And that tiny little thing that you miss that’s right in front of your face is this enormous power that you have through your energy and your attitude to flip a switch inside somebody else.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:00:49 – 01:00:49): I know.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:00:50 – 01:01:04): And when you do that, you are being of service. And the energy that you’re putting out, despite how horrible things may be that are going on in your life right now, it shows you—

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:01:04 – 01:01:04): And it shifts.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:01:05 – 01:01:05): Yes.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:01:06 – 01:01:06): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:01:06 – 01:01:07): It doesn’t pay the bills.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:01:07 – 01:01:08): It doesn’t pay the bills.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:01:08 – 01:01:18): But it shifts something in you to know that you still have the power to positively impact somebody else. And I think that’s how it begins. Yeah. At least that’s how it began for me.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:01:19 – 01:01:19): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:01:19 – 01:01:44): Is to notice, and you already said it, every person, yes, you listening, you have a platform. Your platform is your family, your roommate, the people that you work with. It’s the person that you meet or you pass. And don’t smile too. Yeah. And recognizing the power that you have to impact people positively is how you start to center yourself in a deeper source.

The Religion of Gratitude

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:01:44 – 01:05:04): That is number one, certainly recognizing that. And the other really crucial thing is the religion that I practice, which is gratitude. I will tell you, beyond a shadow of any doubt, for any human being who’s listening to us right now, that if you start a sincere, consistent practice of gratitude, your life will shift. Because it is energetically, vibrationally — it causes your energy to change and the vibration to change and also what you then begin to attract into your life to change.

It’s the single greatest thing anybody can do from where you are, no matter how down you are, how stuck you are, is you start looking at what you have instead of what you haven’t. And you just practice it. You just do 5 things. If you can’t do 5, do 3. And if you can’t get to 3, look at your breath. Breathe, breathe, breathe. You’re still breathing. And I’m thinking for myself, when I’m in flow is when I’m in my period of gratitude. I am most in flow, and my life most works most perfectly when I am in the gratitude state.

This is the thing I know people listening to this think, “Well, okay, easy to do because you’re Oprah.” I got to be Oprah by doing that. That’s how I got to be where I am, by doing that. I have had a practice of honoring that source that’s greater than myself since I was a little girl. I mean, I grew up speaking in the church and having the people say to my grandmother, Hattie Mae, “This here is a talking child. You got yourself a talking child here.” And so talking and using my voice and being able to express to other people.

And I realize now — so people talk about, “What is your purpose? What is your purpose? What is your purpose? How do you find your purpose?” No matter who you are listening, if you were to pass away today, the people who eulogize you would connect the dots of your life. And at your funeral or memorial service would talk about what you offered, what you brought to them. And wherever you are in the journey, you are already creating a thread of purpose that flows through everything that you’ve done.

And mine is inspiration and has been since I was 4 years old, speaking in the Kosciuszko Church, standing on a stage, reciting, and people saying, “My, my, my, my, my, this little child can talk.” And then being an orator and winning all of the oratory contests when I was in school, that thread of speaking is what prepared me for the first audition when I sat down to do the radio show. And then being recognized and brought into television, that thread has led me to sitting in the Mel Robbins Podcast.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:04 – 01:05:05): OK?

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:05:05 – 01:05:18): That thread has brought me here today. And everyone listening to us has a thread. What’s your thread? What has carried through? What is the thing or theme that has been through the course of your life? Mine is inspiration. What’s yours?

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:19 – 01:05:19): Encouragement.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:05:20 – 01:05:21): There you go.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:21 – 01:05:22): Yeah. Encouragement.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:05:23 – 01:05:23): Encouragement.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:24 – 01:05:24): Yes.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:05:24 – 01:05:25): That’s exactly what you do.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:25 – 01:05:31): Yeah. Because I think it’s easy to have the information. Or to get it.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:05:31 – 01:05:31): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:32 – 01:05:39): But if you believe and convince yourself it won’t work for you, you won’t do the things that change your life.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:05:39 – 01:05:40): That’s the difference. That’s what you do.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:40 – 01:05:45): And so I weave encouragement through everything because I know it’s what I’ve always needed.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:05:45 – 01:05:45): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:45 – 01:05:54): Because when you don’t believe in yourself, being able to borrow somebody else’s belief in your ability can really help. And that’s what encouragement does.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:05:55 – 01:05:55): That’s what you do.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:56 – 01:05:56): Yeah.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:05:57 – 01:05:58): Girl, you’re on it.

What Is Purpose, Really?

MEL ROBBINS: (01:05:59 – 01:06:15): You know, there’s a — as you were talking about purpose, it reminded me of one of my favorite ways to think about purpose, which is that purpose is not the thing that you do. Purpose is the thing that happens in others when you do the thing you do.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:06:15 – 01:06:20): Ooh, I like that one. I need to write that down. Purpose is not the thing that you do.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:06:20 – 01:06:29): Purpose is not the thing that you do. Yeah. Purpose is the thing that happens in others when you do the thing that you do.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:06:30 – 01:06:32): I love that, Ms. Mel.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:06:32 – 01:06:42): Because it really weaves together what you were saying about how purpose doesn’t have to be this big thing that you put on Instagram. It’s actually something very quiet that you practice every day.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:06:43 – 01:06:43): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:06:43 – 01:06:51): And it also ties in what Maya said to you about it’s how you make people feel.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:06:51 – 01:08:07): Yeah. And as you start doing the small thing, the small thing leads — I actually do think it’s a problem with the way social media works, that a lot of people are just constantly bombarded with the lives of other people and trying to keep up with that. And so you think your life is supposed to look like that. And it’s just coming from every direction. Every direction is telling you. And you haven’t gotten still enough with yourself. The answers are not out there. They just are not out there. The voice of God — silence is the language of God. Silence is the language of God. And you can’t hear it unless you are still enough, quiet enough within yourself. The moment you’re asking out there and asking everybody, “What should I do? What should I do? What should I do?” — that’s the moment that you get still. And even if still is just sitting on the toilet seat with the door closed.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:08:07 – 01:08:10): Well, for some of us, that’s the only place that we can escape everybody. That’s the only place.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:08:12 – 01:08:20): To be still, to be able to feel what that thing is it’s trying to get through. There’s nobody born that doesn’t have it.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:08:21 – 01:08:43): You know, I have a very good friend who was giving advice to one of my daughters, funny enough. And he was saying to her, “Listen, you got a lot of gifts to give. Don’t you dare show up in heaven with your pockets full, with that song you didn’t sing or that book you didn’t write or that smile you didn’t share.” Is there anything left that you’re still wanting to share or teach?

The Vision at Sphere

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:08:47 – 01:10:47): I was standing in the Sphere in Las Vegas after the Bono concert. And I’d gone with friends and we’d had the, ah, la, la, la, Bono. And when it was all over, I walked to the edge of where we’d been sitting. And they were all behind me. And everybody was over to the side. And they were all cheering each other because it was the first performance of U2, Bono at the Sphere.

But I was standing alone on the side, and I had that feeling, the same one I felt when I was 5 years old on the back porch. And it was as clear to me. It said, “Wow, what just happened here? You could take people to the edge of the universe. You could use this stage, this screen, this window into the universe to allow people to connect to themselves in a way that they have never experienced before. You could connect them to the universe and to themselves and to each other.” That is what that feeling said to me. It was a voice, and it was a feeling. And it was exactly the same as when I was 5 years old.

It said, “Huh, this is an incredible arena, an incredible venue. I didn’t even know what I had just seen. But it’s not being used to its maximum potential. You could use it to its maximum potential. How do you do that? And share the experience of what it means to be fully alive with people? How do you connect people to the light within themselves using the tools of this space?” That’s what the voice said to me. This was 2023.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:10:47 – 01:10:48): Wow.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:10:48 – 01:10:49): 2023.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:10:49 – 01:10:50): So almost 3 years ago.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:10:50 – 01:11:30): It’s almost 3 years ago. And in the beginning, everybody thought — was thinking of it as a show. And I was like, it’s not a show. It’s not a show. It’s an experience. It’s to be felt, not just seen. How do we bring the team together that can create feelings for people? And so now, 3 years later, this dream is being scored by one of the greatest musical composers on Earth, Max Richter. So it’s an immersive musical light experience of people coming together to ignite the light within ourselves.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:11:30 – 01:12:37): You know what I think is so amazing about this? And I want you to really consider everything that Oprah has poured into you and shared with you today. I think it’s easy when you’re standing in a moment and you look backwards to see how all the dots connect. And it requires deep faith to stand in the present moment and believe that where you are is leading you somewhere. And it is much larger and grander than anything you could possibly imagine for yourself if you keep walking in that faith, if you keep telling the truth, if you keep staying centered and grounded in your intention. And you follow these fundamental laws that you have taught us. The energy you put out is the energy you get back.

I think it’s really cool that even for somebody like you, who has achieved things that are beyond our wildest imaginations, that here you are doing something that even 5 years ago was not even on your radar.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:12:37 – 01:12:38): Wasn’t on my radar.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:12:38 – 01:12:41): Was not something you would have possibly imagined was a thing.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:12:41 – 01:12:41): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:12:42 – 01:12:55): And so it proves yet again. Yeah. How when you’re clear about the way you’re showing up and serving the world and you’re clear about the reason why you’re here, which is inspiration.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:12:55 – 01:12:55): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:12:56 – 01:12:58): That life does rise up.

One Solid Decade Left

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:12:58 – 01:14:03): Yeah. And my prayer has always been, “Use me. Show me how. Show me, show me, show me, show me. What is the next? Is there a next? Oh, you just want me to rest? I’ll do that too.” By actually being in conversation with the life force within me has led me to the highest grounds possible for myself. And I’ve been asking that, how can I be used? I mean, I am 72 and very much aware of the urgency of time. Very much aware that I have one solid good decade left. Very much aware. So I’m looking at my life as though I have one solid decade left to give and offer the message that I came to give and to do it with clarity and do it with love and do it without ego and to do it as an offering to say, this is why I came.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:14:03 – 01:14:15): I think we should all steal what you said when you said, “I believe I have a decade to do what I came to do.”

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:14:15 – 01:14:15): Yeah.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:14:15 – 01:14:30): And I don’t care how young or old you are. Imagine if you started living as if you had a decade. You had a decade to do what you came here to do. And how that focus shifts your intention.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:14:31 – 01:14:52): You know, the big dream for me right now is the Sphere. But I also realize in every day, in my everyday life, that every encounter, that people are seeing me and that I feel like it is my responsibility to actually also see them as well.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:14:52 – 01:14:53): It’s beautiful.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:14:53 – 01:14:54): Yeah.

Closing Reflections

MEL ROBBINS: (01:14:55 – 01:14:59): I want to read to you page 79, “What I Know for Sure.”

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:14:59 – 01:15:01): Okay. What did I know then?

MEL ROBBINS: (01:15:01 – 01:15:42): “Well, when you make loving others the story of your life, there’s never a final chapter because the legacy continues. You lend your light to one person, and he or she shines it on another and another and another. And I know for sure that in the final analysis of our lives, when the to-do lists are no more, when the frenzy is finished, when our email boxes are empty, the only thing that will have any lasting value is whether we’ve loved others and whether they’ve loved us.”

And I can tell you for sure that I know for sure that you loved us, and we all love you.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:15:42 – 01:15:43): Thank you.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:15:44 – 01:15:46): Thank you. Thank you.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:15:46 – 01:15:47): Thank you.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:15:48 – 01:15:49): Oprah Winfrey, what are your parting words?

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:16:00 – 01:16:38): My parting words are, you were born to fulfill the dream of your life here on Earth. You were born into this planet, into the density of this gravitational pull, to fulfill the dream of your life and of the Creator’s dream of your life here on Earth. Get about the business of doing that.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:16:38 – 01:16:42): You heard her. Get about the business of doing that. That’s right.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:16:42 – 01:16:43): About the business of doing that.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:16:43 – 01:16:44): I love you, Oprah Winfrey.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:16:44 – 01:16:46): I love you too, Mel. Thank you for having me.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:16:46 – 01:17:15): Oh my gosh, thank you. And thank you, thank you for making the time. Thank you for spending it with me and Oprah. And thank you for being generous with this conversation with the people in your life. It is a gift that you can give to other people that will inspire them, awaken them, remind them. And in case no one else tells you today, as your friend, I wanted to be sure to tell you that I love you, I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to create a better life. Now get about the business of freaking doing it.

OPRAH WINFREY: (01:17:15 – 01:17:16): Freaking doing it.

MEL ROBBINS: (01:17:18 – 01:18:12): Can you believe that episode just happened? I mean, it’s 24 hours later and I’m now sitting back in the seat. I cannot believe Oprah was there. I’m so thrilled that you were here with us. I know that it stirred something deep inside you. And here’s what I hope. I hope that you are generous with this episode, that if it awakened something in you, if you were reminded of something that you needed to hear, that you copy and paste this link and you share this with everybody in your life, because that episode of the Mel Robbins Podcast is an offering to the world and to everybody that you love. So thank you in advance for being generous and helping us spread the power of good around the world. I really appreciate that. Okay, I know that now that you’re inspired, you want to watch something else. This is going to be an extraordinary episode for you to watch next, and I’ll welcome you in the moment you hit play.

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