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Transcript of Jack Neel Podcast: Professor Jiang Interview #111 

EDITOR’S NOTE: In this episode of the Jack Neel Podcast, host Jack Neel speaks with geopolitical analyst Professor Jiang about the hidden motivations behind global conflicts, challenging standard realist interpretations of Middle Eastern warfare. Jiang examines how ideological and eschatological worldviews, shifting energy dependency, sovereign debt stress, and demographic pressures are driving international realignments. He outlines controversial forecasts regarding US political power dynamics, market bubbles, and emerging strategic alliances. This interview was premiered September 19, 2026.

TRANSCRIPT:

Geopolitical Realism vs. Middle East Conflict

JACK NEEL: (00:00:00 – 00:00:02) Professor Jiang, welcome back to the Jack Neel Podcast.

PROFESSOR JIANG: (00:00:03 – 00:00:03) Thanks, Jack.

JACK NEEL: (00:00:04 – 00:00:38) Professor, I want to start with a letter that leaked inside the U.S. military a few weeks before we shot our last podcast. A soldier filed a formal complaint saying his commander told troops that, “President Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon.” Now, you’ve previously stated that we’re already in World War III, but I want to ask you a different question: who inside the American military actually wants the world to end?

PROFESSOR JIANG: (00:00:39 – 00:06:52) From a geopolitical perspective, it’s very hard to appreciate the war from a realist perspective. In the school of geopolitics, there’s something called realism, which is to say that nation-states fight over interests. The most famous quotation from the school is Henry Kissinger, who said that there are no permanent friends, just permanent interests.

If you look at what’s happening in the Middle East, nothing really makes any sense from a realistic perspective. The question is, why did this war start, why are they fighting, and where is this war going? A lot of people are saying that this war was fought in order to deter China, because China is trying to build the Belt and Road Initiative, trying to create a system to counter Pax Americana—to counter the American trade system. They’re doing that by trying to align themselves with both Russia and Iran.

The United States fears this grand military trade diplomatic political alliance between Russia, Iran, and China, because if they were to unify, they really could control the world. It’s pretty easy to access Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and the Asia-Pacific, and then the United States would be embargoed and trapped in the Western Hemisphere. There’s something called the Mackinder Heartland thesis, a well-known idea in geopolitics.

There are certain problems with this theory when you apply it to analyzing what’s happening in the Middle East. China has been working very hard with the United States to come to a remedy to this war. There were six weeks of heavy bombing, and then Iran and the United States signed an MOU, Memorandum of Understanding, which was a ceasefire—a lull in order to come to a permanent peace. The question at that time was, why did Iran sign this document? Why did Iran stop its offensive? Iran was actually putting a lot of economic pressure on the GCC, on the United States, and on the world. Iran was essentially winning the war, and whatever the United States did was not enough to stop Iran from going on the offensive.

What I believe is that only because China intervened and asked Iran to agree to a ceasefire did Iran agree. China is Iran’s largest purchaser of oil, buying about 90% of Iranian oil. China provided security guarantees to Iran: we promise that the United States is going to negotiate in good faith; if the United States does not negotiate in good faith, then we’ll support you in the next phase of the war. That’s what happened.

If China knows that the United States wants to embargo China, why would China agree to help the United States broker a ceasefire in Iran? Because both the United States and China are very dependent on the global economy. They’re both status quo powers. China gets a lot of energy from Iran, but it gets most of its energy from the GCC—from Qatar, Saudi Arabia. This war was hurting China economically, and that’s why China wanted a ceasefire.

The traditional understanding that the world is now a war between China and the United States doesn’t make much sense. China and the United States are partners in trying to maintain the status quo, which is a Pax Americana. The idea that this war was started to embargo China doesn’t really hold water.

Another theory is the United States started this war in order to control the world’s maritime chokepoints as well as access to oil, and there’s much more validity to this argument. Richard Medhurst is the most famous proponent of this argument, which is to say, because of this war and attacks on global refineries—not just in Russia, but also in Australia and other places—the world is becoming much more dependent on the Western Hemisphere for energy needs, especially the Asia-Pacific: Japan, China, South Korea. Recently Trump announced that the United States and Venezuela have signed a major oil agreement where the United States will now develop Venezuela’s oil supply. With oil being cut off from the GCC and with Russia at war, if you’re Japan, China, South Korea—if you’re the world—you now are completely dependent on the Western Hemisphere for your energy needs.

There’s a problem though with this argument. What Richard Medhurst is not taking into account is with this war in the Middle East, while it’s causing Europe and Asia-Pacific to shift to greater reliance on the United States for energy needs, it’s also causing the collapse of the global economy. Have you heard of the Japanese yen carry trade?

JACK NEEL: (00:06:53 – 00:06:53) No.

The Yen Carry Trade and Debt Crisis

PROFESSOR JIANG: (00:06:53 – 00:12:05) The Japanese yen carry trade is this: for the longest time, Japan suffered from deflation because its real estate market was overinflated and its consumers didn’t have much money to spend.