Editor’s Note: In this exclusive FOX Sports feature, legendary champions Zlatan Ibrahimović and Tom Brady sit down for a candid conversation about what it truly takes to reach the pinnacle of sports. The two icons bond over their relentless, parallel drives to win, sharing unique insights into the mentalities and adversities that fueled their legendary careers. It is an unmissable meeting of minds that perfectly illustrates why both athletes are universally regarded as the ultimate “GOATs” of their respective games. (May 27, 2026)
TRANSCRIPT:
Did You Ever Enjoy Your Achievements?
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Did you ever enjoy your achievements when you were active?
TOM BRADY: No.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Same thing.
TOM BRADY: The moments of greatness or being in sport for me was always— the best parts were the moments leading up to the big moment.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: When it’s good, you don’t learn a lot. When it’s difficult, you learn much more and you become stronger, especially here. And that will show who you are in the end.
TOM BRADY: I always remembered where I started, which was as a kid behind everybody else. I was you once, but I was also the kid that wanted what you had once too. So you better figure it out. I always remember your bicycle kick in Sweden, England.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: In that situation, you become like, wow, or you become, what are you doing? But only the genius will do the one out of— That’s me. That’s why I love you.
TOM BRADY: We would have been good teammates.
Aspiring to Be a Professional Athlete
TOM BRADY: All right, guys, so obviously professional athletes, star athletes at the height of your careers. When you look back, around what age do you remember aspiring to be a professional athlete?
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: What does it mean? Aspiring.
TOM BRADY: So aspire means that you thought about becoming one or you really looked, you love the idea of becoming.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Since the day I was born, yeah.
TOM BRADY: That’s a good time. What exactly was in your mind when you were born that allowed you to think about it?
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So when I was born, I told myself, “you’re going to be the one, you are the one.” No, for me it was around, obviously I had a different background. Where I came from, with my background, was not— the people with the same background didn’t have the same success as I had because I came from a different situation. And obviously, if I go fast forward in front, I opened the doors for many athletes with my background.
But let’s say when I was 17, I had a teammate, he was on trial with us. I played in Malmö in Sweden. And he said after one week, “if you don’t make it, it’s your own fault.” And that got me thinking, like, what does it mean? And then I figure out it’s up to me if I’m going to make it or not. I decide my own destiny. I just had to work hard for it. And then from there, things started to change. Obviously, a little bit luck, momentum, and— But I always had the confidence that I would make it. Because my confidence— not ego, confidence.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: That I was better than the other ones and nobody could stop me. But obviously with hard work. And because of the situation I was in, I had to work more than the other ones. ‘Cause where I come from, people were typical blond, blue eyes, and the Swedish was perfect. My Swedish was not perfect. Sounded like a villain. But it worked out anyway. And I had to work more to show myself and to get opportunity. And from there, when I got my first professional contract, from there I was flying.
Taking the Challenge: Moving Abroad
TOM BRADY: Yeah. Did you have the desire and the passion when you were in your teens, like you turned 12 or 13, did you ever envision yourself having the career that you had? Or did it take a series of steps that were like, wow, I could become—
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So I moved around a lot. I’m not the one that was in one club like 20, 25 years. I like to challenge myself. I take my backpack. I go to different gardens. Which means different countries, different clubs, challenge myself if I was able to play my game in outside my comfort zone.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And obviously, steps by steps, because of the, the level, the development. So my first, my first abroad, outside my comfort zone, was Amsterdam, Ajax. So I come to the— That was a development team that played high level, played Champions League, played against the big teams. But the level was not the same as Premier League, Serie A, or the La Liga, Spain. And I wanted to go there to develop my own game because of the way they were playing. They have a pretty special way of playing.
But it was difficult. That was really difficult. The first year, I was like— after 3 months, I called my old club, “please, can you bring me back?” And they were like, “no, the money is finished.” And now I had a record transfer fee when I moved to Ajax. And I had to go through that because it was a battle against myself mentally. Yeah, and obviously the game itself was not easy in the beginning because it was a different level, full of talents. Everybody wanted to go to the next, next level, next stage, and the next stage was like the top of the top, like the— where the big players were playing.
So first year, second year got better, third year I was— that became my comfort zone. So it became my home and where my confidence was.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: The first coach I had there, he didn’t talk to me for 8 months, for example.
TOM BRADY: Wow.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And I was like talking to the sport director and I asked him, “how’s everything?” “No, no, everything is perfect, don’t worry.” And I was not even playing, so I was like, okay. And the coach wouldn’t talk to me. I don’t know if that was his approach to put me in my place or just the way he was working. But it was not working with me because I was a little bit lost in a way, like if I’m doing good or not. And when you’re not playing, you’re thinking you’re not doing good enough. But it can be also a way like, patient, your time is coming. Wait for the right moment, or you need to work on this and that.
But then we got a second coach there for the— for the— after the 8 months we played. And from there, slowly, slowly, I was getting into it. But the third year was better. And then, then I went to the big scene. Like, I was playing with players that I used to play in PlayStation with. Yeah, then I was— but my thing was, they saw me as the little cocky one with no respect. But that was not about that, was me wanting to become better and show that I’m better than everybody around me. Yeah. So that was what step by step I took. So not from one thing to the big stage.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Because obviously when you make a move, you need to see if it’s the right thing for you, the way they play. The right surrounding, like not to go too fast, because I was 19 when I moved, and you have players that went like 15, 16 already.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So you need to take time, become mature, and then really go for it.
Idols and Inspiration
TOM BRADY: Yeah, it’s always a step. And just last thing for you, like now there’s a lot of young kids in Sweden that saw you in your career, it’s like, “I want to be like—”
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yes.
TOM BRADY: Zlatan, when you were their age, who did you look at and you go, “man, that— those are the guys that I—”
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: For sure was not Sweden, because Sweden I took for breakfast and the world I took for lunch, and then the world I took for dinner. So that was my way of thinking. But I had this Ronaldo, Brazilian. He was my—
TOM BRADY: He was unbelievable.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yeah, he was amazing. He was, he was football. He was not playing. He— whatever. So when you see players and you try to copy them, that’s the player.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So when he was doing his thing, I remember I used to be in school and I used to sneak in, in the library because they had the computers there. And I walk in and I went on YouTube because we didn’t have social media on that time. And I used to write his name, Ronaldo the Phenomenal, and see his actions on YouTube. Then I used to memorize it, and then when I was training, I tried to do the same thing. So he was my example, idol.
In the beginning was okay because I was a little bit shorter, but then I started to grow, grow, and I became like 190-something. Too tall. I couldn’t move the same way he was, but I tried to have it in me. But let’s do it in my way and my speed. Was not the same speed. So he was the one I tried to copy, and he was the objective or an example for the way I wanted to play. But then obviously you get your own, you have your own abilities, your own quality, depending on the profile you are and the way you think also. But he was amazing. It was something else.
TOM BRADY: He was incredible.
Tom Brady’s Journey: From Late Bloomer to the NFL
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So Tom, what was the moment when you thought you would be the GOAT of your sport, let’s say.
TOM BRADY: Yeah, I had a lot of challenges when I was a younger player, high school. I loved playing football, but I wasn’t the best at it.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Was it only football, or you did also a lot of other sports?
TOM BRADY: Okay, it’s pretty good at all the other sports. In fact, there’s one sport in America, baseball, that I was actually really good at. And the high school that I went to, probably in my area, in my era of watching sports, he was the greatest baseball player ever. His name was Barry Bonds, played for the Pittsburgh Pirates and played for the San Francisco Giants. And he’s the greatest baseball player that I’ve ever seen in my life. He went to my high school.
So we as high school kids, we looked at him and our whole program was based on baseball. But I played baseball and I was pretty good at it. And then I kind of started playing football because there was a football team in the same area, the San Francisco 49ers, that were the best football team in kind of the era of the ’80s and ’90s. So it was really unique growing up in an area where you had this great football kind of all around the city.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Did you start with baseball or football?
TOM BRADY: Started with baseball.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Baseball. Okay.
TOM BRADY: And then I kind of found this love of football when I started playing in high school, even though we weren’t very good. Okay, so I always consider myself a late bloomer physically, that I was always trying to catch the other guys who had been playing football longer and that were a little more physically developed. And I was always pretty young for my, for my age. And I ended up in my last year of high school getting an offer to go to college at one of the best schools in America for football.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: And rather than go play baseball, I decided I wanted to play football instead. But even when I went there, and right now it’s still probably one of the top teams in the United States for football, there was a lot of other guys that were better than I was.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: So I had to just keep working and keep trying to catch them. But it was all a really good lesson for me. And I think the biggest blessing I had was you always say, well, like, when did I know that I would, you know, be a, let’s say, even a significant player in the NFL. I never had that feeling. I was always— I kind of had a very naive belief that things would work out the way that I wanted to.
But when I look back now, I’m like, oh my God, I can’t— it’s still hard to believe that, you know, it’s almost like a false confidence in yourself. Whereas I think a lot of other people would have seen me at the same time being like, “no, no, you should probably think about doing something else.” And I was like, “no, no, why?” Because I’m going to go to Michigan. I’m going to play good. And then, no, I’m going to get drafted to play. And I’m going to play good wherever I get drafted to. And everyone’s like, “hold on.” Like, they’re not— what was coming out of my mouth, they weren’t visualizing. But for me, I was visualizing it.
And I always thought as I went and I was like 23, 24 years old, that’s when I really started gaining a lot of confidence.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Were you still in college at that?
TOM BRADY: I just finished college.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Just finished.
TOM BRADY: And I did well in college. And then I got drafted to play professionally. And then where I went to the Patriots, there was another player there that was one of the most talented players in the league. And I had to— he was the position I was.
Struggling, Confidence, and the Road to Greatness
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay. But you always played in the same position when you were young?
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: With football?
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: Because football, you kind of specialize pretty quickly.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: But based on size, speed, talent, they kind of put you into a certain place. And then as I got to be in my professional— my second year as a professional, we won the Super Bowl and I was playing. And after that, 2 years later, we won my second Super Bowl. The year after that, we won my third Super Bowl.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So did they always believe in you since youth, wherever you came, or you were struggling there?
TOM BRADY: I was struggling.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: You understand what I mean?
TOM BRADY: Yeah, I was struggling. But I’ll say this, the greatest thing that ever happened to me as an athlete was I struggled.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: Because when you struggle, you have to figure out other ways to achieve your goal. I think the biggest problem with a lot of young athletes today is when it comes too easily, they never learn discipline. They never learn resilience. They never learn how to overcome the challenges. They want things so easy all the time.
And the reality, when you get to sport and you’re trying to win a World Cup, it’s not easy. So you’re going to come up and you’re going to be losing in games. You’re going to be losing. There’s going to be 80,000 people against you. Well, what are you going to do? Are you going to go, “Oh, this is too hard. Let me put me on the bench,” or, “Let me make sure I don’t touch the ball. Let me find my way away from the ball. When I get it, let me give it up to somebody else.” And football is the same way. How do I hide so that no one can really see the lack of confidence that I have?
Whereas the good players, they’re like, “Oh, you want to be great? No, no, no, give me the ball. I want to show you how great I am.” And over a period of time for me in college and in my young career, I wanted the challenges. The harder you made it for me, the better I did. And that’s where a lot of the competition fell off. So I always think for people—
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Were you always confident and secure when you stepped in those, let’s say, moments?
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Always confident?
TOM BRADY: I think as a young athlete, you’re looking and trying to— Your confidence is very, in my opinion, very fragile as a young athlete. When you have a good game, you have a lot of confidence. When you have a poor game, you lose your confidence. And it’s until you become really ultra confident in who you are that even if you have a bad game, you go, okay, it was just a bad game, but I’m still a great player.
But you always have to feel like you’re on the edge too. Like, I don’t ever think in sport you should ever— a great player never feels entitled. A great player goes, no, no, no, if I’m going to win today, I need the same effort, energy, training, playing well, precise, disciplined. I mean, that’s where to me, like, you got a lot of your confidence.
I got my confidence in the routines that you had and you set for yourself so that you knew when you took the pitch, you had an advantage based on the work you did leading up to that moment. Like, it couldn’t be like, well, no, I’m Zlatan, so therefore everyone’s going to roll over. In fact, they probably make it harder for you.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Exactly.
TOM BRADY: They make sure you don’t touch the ball. And then when you do touch it, there’s people on you, or they’re not giving you the shots you want. And then you’ve got to overcome that and outsmart them. And then once you start getting older, then it gets easier because you’re like—
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Because you have experience. And then you go, yeah. And the moment you felt that you were on top, let’s say, there comes a moment every athlete feels when you’re top of the world, because you’re— when you feel untouchable. When was that moment?
Reaching the Peak — and Staying There
TOM BRADY: I would say in like 2003, 2004, it was my 5th year in the NFL.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: I started to feel like I know exactly what I’m doing. 2005 was better. 2006, 2007, we had an undefeated year for the Patriots. The first time in the NFL, second time where there was an undefeated team. We went 16-0. We won our first 2 playoff games. We got to the Super Bowl against the Giants. And then we lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl. We finished 18-1.
But to me, that was elite, elite. We were almost unbeatable. We were unbeatable up until the very end. And then I really tried to carry that level for the rest of my career. And then I always felt like I had to— you always double down on what you believe in. Like, once you get the routine the way you want it with your training, your regimen, your diet, your exercise, your off days, the mental preparation— and football is very technical. There’s a lot of strategy and a lot of those things you have to implement every single week.
So I just got better at the routine. And when I got better at the routine, then my practices got better. When the practice got better, then my game was always very solid. So I just think there was an element for me that always had to go back to. I always remembered where I started, which was as a kid behind everybody else. And then once I passed everybody, I was still going to work twice as hard to make sure no one else caught me. Because there’s always a younger player that wants what you want. And you try to convey that to other people now. Listen, I was you once, but I was also the kid that wanted what you had once too. So you better figure it out.
Finding Your Own Path — Mental and Emotional Growth
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And when it comes to the mental part, did you talk to somebody or not. Because I remember myself, when I started to come in, let’s say, on a level that everything around me was happening, in a bad way or in a good way. And I was like asking my teammates, the experienced ones, what should I do to change the situation? And they were like, we don’t— actually, I asked one person, his name is Henrik Larsson, he was my teammate. In Sweden? He said, I don’t know, because nobody has been in your situation. Because it was such a hype when I came and started to play my game.
That’s why I ask you, if you had somebody you could lean to, talk to, or you did it your own way? Because me, I had to find my own path.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And I decided nobody can help me, I can only help myself. But on the way, I will have bumps, I will do mistakes, I will do good. And then from there I will find the, let’s say, the right path for success. That’s why I ask if you had somebody you could lean to.
TOM BRADY: Yeah, it’s a great point. I think there’s, along the way, it’s just a blessing. I think for me, there’s a great saying that the teacher appears when the student is ready. And it could be for different parts of your career. It could be the physical part, like how do I become a better passer of the ball? How do I improve my footwork? How do I improve my training and my recovery?
The mental part was how do I learn how to study the film? How to become more efficient with my preparation? How do I make sure that on the game plan I’m really locked in on every play? And then the emotional component, which is how do I bring that competitive winning desire every single day to what I’m doing?
Because when you’re the leader of the team and you become one of the top players, you can’t have a day off. No. For you, they’re all going to look at you and go, “How’s Zlatan? Is he ready?” Well, you’re ready. They gotta get ready. They can’t be any less prepared than you if you’re prepared. So to me it was all these people—
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: But when did you feel you were that leader? Because obviously—
TOM BRADY: That I was always good at.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay. From since college and— Okay, so you took responsibility from early age, let’s say.
The Mental and Emotional Edge — What Separates the Greats
TOM BRADY: The only part which I— It’s really interesting and I think about this a lot for athletes. Like, if I was to say to you, who are the greatest players ever? Yes, naturally you’ll probably say players that have some amazing physical traits, but the ones that have the elite mental, emotional— they know the game, they see the game. Like Zidane. You see the angles, you see what he’s thinking, how magic he is with his vision and his ability to set other players up and when to make the right pass or when to take the right shot. And then every day is like, you know exactly what you’re going to get.
To me, we always undervalue the mental, emotional, and we overvalue the physical. And I think the physical— everyone needs a baseline level of performance. But I think what derails a lot of players is the mental and emotional component of their well-being. Like, they don’t study that hard. Like, you could name a lot of— like Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Neymar. You look at some of the great Brazilian players, they’re amazing, physically gifted. But I think there’s parts that, like, you have to see the whole picture for sure.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Even when I believe, man, the mental part is bigger and more important than the physical.
TOM BRADY: So how do you evaluate? Because you, to me, like, I always remember your free kick, your bicycle kick in Sweden, England, and it was like you saw the goalie come out. And then immediately you’re thinking, if I can get the ball, let me do something with it. The guy tries to head the ball over your head. You attack it. And then in an incredible physical trait and ability you had, you made it.
But the point is, is the physical thing is one thing, but your thought process, decision in a short period of time, process situation. Oh my God, I think the goal’s open. And then to make that— the mental part to me exceeded what even you did physically.
The Bicycle Kick — Zlatan’s Greatest Moment
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yeah, but if I explain more about that moment, it was like if you succeed—
TOM BRADY: I want to hear about that moment because that moment was insane.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: No, the whole— let’s say from the beginning, English fans, they don’t like me because I never scored against them and they just saw me as a prima donna with the ponytail and he’s not good enough because he didn’t score against the English team. And we had the opener, I think you say, for the stadium. Brand new. This was the first game against England. And I was pumped the whole week because I said, this England team, I’m going to— it was a friendly game. It was not a competition game. But I said, I’m going to show them who I am. I was like pumped.
And we start the game. I scored the opening. The first goal in the stadium. And it went on, went on. And we were winning 3-2. And I scored the 3 goals. It was missing, I think, like 5, 10 minutes. What do you do? In the end of the game, you’re wasting time because you want to win the game. And then this moment came, like, exactly like you explained. The goalkeeper comes out. I run against the goalkeeper. And I’m like, in my head, let’s do a feint. Feint, go against him.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: He puts it over me, because that’s experience now.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
The Bicycle Kick: Daring to Be Different
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: He puts it over me. And while he’s jumping up, I turn back, because I know more or less where he want to put the ball, behind me. So when he does that, I turn around. I go for the ball, but as a striker, I know where the goal is. Like, I don’t need to see where the goal is because the only thing I needed to do now was have the angle versus the goal behind because I wanted to do a bicycle kick.
I can assure you, from 10 players, 9 players would not do that. Yeah, because they would say stop the ball, waste time. Yeah, but only the genius would do. Yeah, the one out of— that’s me.
Anyway, I did a bicycle and I just saw the ball go over me and go, go like towards the goal. And then I saw the defender like running and wanted to, to clean, clean the ball. And I was like, don’t touch the ball, let it go in. Yeah, he was like barely touching and it went in. And then everything exploded. Yeah, everything exploded.
But in that situation is, or you become like, wow, or you become, what are you doing? Like, this is just a showman. Like, he doesn’t take the game serious in a way, because obviously you have these guys that are competitive and like would really, like when you do a trick in our game, let’s say, I will say soccer now because in my world it’s football. You could say football, come on. My football, like, you do tricks and that, the fans go crazy. But it’s not okay for everybody because they would say, listen, don’t waste time. You’re not on YouTube, you’re not on social media. And that was a moment like, make it simple and just waste time or whatever. But no, only the crazy one would do opposite.
And that’s how I see myself when I play the game. You have to dare to like try to risk to make it, or you will never, never, never succeed in that way. And I used to do this opposite of what the other ones would do. But it’s a mental thing, because that’s why the mental, I would say, is more than 50% of the game.
Leadership and Mentality
TOM BRADY: Yeah. Because is there a way to train people’s— or is that more inherent in just their vision processing?
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: There is two things. That’s why I ask you with the leader. You were leader since you were young, because I believe either you’re leader or you’re not leader. Then we can be leaders in different ways. We have, for example, Modrić in Milan. He’s a leader, but he’s not outspoken. Yeah, he’s not speaking a lot on that, but he’s a leader on the pitch. So yeah, he does the leading thing on the pitch with his quality, with his abilities.
Then you have the leaders that is outspoken, like, take responsibility in a different way. When there is a hit, he steps in front and takes care of it. And then, that is about the lead. Then you have the mentality and the mental part of the player. And I think that shapes for whatever you go through, obviously. Like you said, it was never easy for you. I think the mental part there was working more than your actual quality on the pitch. Because when it’s good, you don’t learn a lot. When it’s difficult, you learn much more.
TOM BRADY: Oh yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And you become stronger, especially here. And that will show who you are in the end. So I think the mental part shapes within the time. I mean, if you have it easy all the time, yeah, you expect it to be easy. Then when the difficult moment comes, you’re a little bit lost, like, what’s going on?
I mean, I was young, I had it always tough. I was raised in an aggressive environment, but for us was normal. But if a third person from outside would look at it, they would say, “What are they doing? They’re too aggressive.” And the way I was playing was also aggressive because it’s the way I was. I didn’t mean any— nothing negative or nothing bad to somebody. It’s just the way I was raised and I brought it with me.
So when I was at best was when I was angry. I was not angry, I would not be playing the way I was playing. So I was looking for those angry, like, switch-on buttons, or fighting with an opponent, or just look for somebody to make me angry. And then from there, because I think when you— in my case, when I was angry, I was paying more attention, I was on my toes, I was like switched on totally. And everything became different. And that’s somebody you are or you’re not.
Creating Anger as Fuel
TOM BRADY: When I would run out before every game, I would run from the length of the field all the way down to the end in our warmups, and I would get fired up and I’d always say, “Let’s f*ing go!” And it was my own way of creating the anger.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yeah.
TOM BRADY: Because I think that’s the best emotion.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yes, because you have to find your own drive also because— yeah. Will not always be the other ones, the surrounding that will push you. Because if you don’t have that auto-drive from yourself, it’s difficult. Because like I asked you, when did you feel that you were on top? Like everything is working, you know exactly what you need to do to perform and to get results. And if you don’t have that auto-drive discipline to stimulate yourself, it’s difficult.
Because at a certain point you relax, everything becomes too easy. And that is when you’re never satisfied. That was my thing. When I did good, the next day I forgot about what I did yesterday. Yeah. Because I always wanted more. And I think that’s mental also.
TOM BRADY: Yeah. And I think too, like, when you have that anger emotion, like, the good thing about anger is it spurs action. Against the anger. So if you create the anger, you want to do something about it, then you’ve got to go perform through that. And like, if you create the anger with the enemy, which in the sport is the opposing team, you’re the most focused, you’re the most—
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: 100%.
TOM BRADY: You’re locked in completely. If you’re playing your brother in something, you want to beat him, but you don’t want to beat him that bad. It’s your brother. You love him. You care for him.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: You don’t want to beat him. I would smash him on the field. Yeah, I would smash him. I don’t care. There’s only one winner. Me or him.
TOM BRADY: Then outside, huh?
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: That’s why I love you.
TOM BRADY: We would have been good teammates.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: We can do— yeah. But on the pitch, there’s only one winner. Oh my God. I would go all in. I have players that were crying.
TOM BRADY: If you look in today’s world, I think part of the challenge is all these guys are friends because of social media. And you have players on teams that may be arch rivals. And now they’re friends with the star player on the other team. When my view is like, I don’t know if I could ever have been that. Even in post-career, you see people you played against and you’re like, well, I like him, but I really still saw him as my competition because he wants what I want and only one of us is going to get it.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Exactly.
TOM BRADY: And I don’t want him to get it. I want me to get it. So I need to say, hey, I want to go take him out.
Never Satisfied: The Drive for More
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Did you ever enjoy your achievements when you were active?
TOM BRADY: No.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Same thing. Same thing. I never enjoyed my— whatever I want. I always wanted more. But even now, as a person, like, if I look back, yes, I did what I did, but still I’m not satisfied. And I cannot really enjoy it because I want more. And I’m not even playing. Yeah. So that’s me as a person. But it’s interesting because—
TOM BRADY: But I think that— go ahead, please.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: When you achieve as much as you have done and you didn’t really enjoy it during the active, the professional career, it says everything about the person. That’s why I think you reached higher than everybody else.
TOM BRADY: Yeah, because we had a great saying. There was something I learned in college when I went to the University of Michigan, and we had an equipment manager who had been a part of the program forever, and he had all 25 of league rings. Because they would give you a ring when you won. And they would always say to him, when the people would come in, his name was Big Johnny, “Big Johnny, what’s your favorite ring?” And he would always say, “The next one.” The next one. And it just meant, who gives a shit what happened last year? It’s all about this year and what’s ahead, because that’s all that’s relevant anyway.
Even everyone who wins championships, it’s amazing. But that was a moment. And you should— you will appreciate that at some moment. But the moments of greatness or being in sport for me was always— the winning, the end result was fun. But really, when I look back at my career, the best parts were the moments leading up to the big moment.
Like, yeah, we won that game and I’m so happy we won that Super Bowl. In that moment, it was incredible. But really what led to that winning in that moment were all these other things that took place. So yeah, I can appreciate that one moment of winning, but really what I appreciate was the 6 months of discipline, the 6 months of communication, the 6 months of overcoming the injuries and losing and getting, losing your confidence and gaining your confidence back, learning from your mistakes because sports are so hard.
In order to win the last one, you’re going to fail along the way many times. And when we overcome our own failures, to me, that’s how we build self-confidence.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: For sure.
TOM BRADY: That’s how we— and all the teammates that we had, I value the teammates that went through the hard things because I go, man, I would do anything for that guy because I saw what he’s all about. I saw when he had a shit game and everyone booed him and he went home and he got f*ed the next day by the coach. And then he came out to practice 2 days later with the best attitude, wanting to be better, stayed after practice, worked on the things that he wasn’t good at in the game.
The next morning, before anyone got there, was working on the things that he wasn’t good at, then went to practice, showed improvement, stayed after practice, did more, stayed at the facility, watched more film. Then the next Sunday came out and he performed his best. Well, that’s who you love to be with. Yes, you know.
The Energy of the Crowd
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And what do you think about the crowd? Did you feel that energy? Did they give you extra motivation, extra energy, or you was just objective?
TOM BRADY: I think sometimes I felt like when we would go on the road against the opposing crowd, it was better for me.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: Because I could be more angry at them. We did really well on the road. At home, sometimes it was flat because the expectations were so high.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: They were used to it.
TOM BRADY: We became good for a long time when I played for the Patriots for 20 years. So the week to week wasn’t a big deal. They were like, hey, when the playoffs come, who are we going to— it’s like you qualifying for the Champions League every year. And I’m going, well, who are we going to play in the Champions League semifinal? And you’re like, hold on, we haven’t even got there yet. We have a lot of steps along the way. But when you go on the road, I think there’s a heightened sense of focus because there’s more enemies there for you. There’s more people that are, against you, yeah, yeah, whistling you.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: I remember when I came to Ajax and I was pretty unknown, nobody knew about me. And then I had one journalist, he asked me, “When you play away, do they whistle you or not?” I say, “Yes, the whole stadium.” That was like, followed me for my whole career because like you say, playing away is more difficult obviously because you have everybody against you, but it triggers you. For me, the energy that came from the crowd, it pumped me.
Challenges That Shaped the Champions
TOM BRADY: Are there any— if you think of the biggest challenges in your professional career, are there any that stand out that really created the man you are today?
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: I mean, I had different phases in my life because you’re young. You’re rock and roll, a lot of things are happening, you don’t think so much, you just go all in. Then you become more mature. Then you get family, your whole situation change, the way you see things, it change. So I think every club I came to, every coach I had, gave me something in a good way or in a bad way. But when I started to meet the, play with the big players like Juventus.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Then I understood like, okay, this is how it works. This is how they think, this is how they perform. Because when you’re young, it’s not like— I mean, I was in Ajax, in 2 years I didn’t even eat breakfast because I was like, I don’t eat breakfast, I just go train. And then when I came to the elite level, breakfast, it was like recovery, it was preparing. All these things came together and then I’m so, okay, this is like what I have to do to, to stay. Because I believe you can come to the top, but to stay on the top is more difficult.
Yeah, because we have players that stayed like 2, 3 years and then they disappeared. Yeah, even if they were like, wow. When it came to World Cup and preparing for the World Cup, which is not easy because we have a full season.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And then after the season, the World Cup comes. That’s really the the last thing of a season when it’s World Cup, because World Cup is every 4th year. And then you need to be good at that moment, because like you say, there comes a moment when you lose confidence, less confidence. Then you have moments where everything is just going by itself.
So I came from Sweden. Expectations from Sweden for me was high, because when they asked me, can you win it? Yes. We can win it. But then there is a reality, because I believe everything is possible. And the way we were— because we have a short time of preparing also the World Cup. Yeah, for— in our world, so you have like 3 to 4 weeks to prepare, and then the World Cup starts. So you’re going to play with players that you met last 3 weeks. Yeah, let’s gather everything together. Then the coach got to do a little bit of not miracle, but you got to work, study very well to get everybody together.
And it was all about being in shape because also in the preparation was not like do too much because you’re like, you’re probably in the 11th month.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: In your season. And that’s normally a normal season is 8 months and then you go above that 9, 10, 10th month. So it was all about stay in shape, recover good, take time. Not maybe vacation, but gather energy and then mentally prepare for the World Cup. And then when the World Cup starts, you represent your country, not your club. It’s your country, but it’s a big stage. It’s beautiful because different cultures play against each other.
You have the— we were yellow, my nation, yellow shirts. So it was the yellow wall against— let’s say we play against Holland. I guess the Dutch, all orange, so it was half, half. And in this situation, nobody’s home.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So you’re playing in a different country, you got to represent your country, and from there the battle goes on. But the mindset is the same. I gotta win, I’m doing everything to win. But it’s different compared to the club team, because club team, we meet every day, we share the same locker room every day, we go out, we have good moments, we have bad moments. We win together. So I know you differently compared to the national team.
Building Team Chemistry Under Pressure
TOM BRADY: Yeah. How do you connect in a 3 or 4 week period with these new teammates in a way that can give you an advantage over the other teams?
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So when we— Sweden, I talk because I think every country has its own culture, the way they do things. So Sweden, we used to do a lot of team building, different things, and not football, like outside the pitch. We would do gather together, I don’t know, do some different events. Yeah, different exercise, mental, and the, how do you say, the group thing, the team spirit and that. So just to gather everybody together.
And Sweden as a culture is pretty soft, is nice. I was the only one that was different compared to them because I was like, I had a different approach. I was demanding things. And Sweden is like, let’s see what happens. No, no, I don’t.
TOM BRADY: You’re going to make it happen.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: That’s not my approach. Either we go and get it or we don’t get it. Yeah, it’s two different things. Then when we would lose, it was like, yeah, but we have the next game. No, no, no, no. This is crisis because when we lose, it’s not okay for me. It’s not next game because that’s who I was.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And in Sweden, I had a little bit difficult with this because it was not their way of doing things. That’s why I was considered different to them.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And I was not accepted like everybody else.
TOM BRADY: Did that put a lot of pressure on the other players and the coaches to reach a higher level though? Because I imagine with your expectation and the way that you approached it, they had to elevate because they knew you weren’t going to let your foot off the gas pedal.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So I came from my club situation. I was playing in the big club. The expectations there were high. Or you win, or we get a new player and you’re out.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So you were always— you needed to perform always. You were not the young talent. And I came from that environment to Sweden now, to an environment was like, let’s see what happens. So it was either I bring them up to my level, because I will not go down to their level.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Because it’s not where I belong and I don’t want to be there in a way of my club situation, because I was bringing that with me. And I tried to push everybody in that. And sometimes I was too hard because I had teammates that were even crying because I would put too much pressure on them. Because I believe the way you train is the way you play your games. Yeah. There is no secrets. Yeah, if you train and perform in training, you will do it in the game.
TOM BRADY: Yeah, that’s—
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: it’s not like wait until the game. For me, it doesn’t exist. Like, if we have a game in the, in the training, I have to win. If I don’t win, it’s not okay for me. Yeah, so that’s why when I came in, that environment was different because they were not used to it, with all the respect for them, because they were playing in, in lower level, in a way, in the club situation. Then we have had some players that played in the bigger clubs, but I would say 80% was not from the elite, let’s say, top 5 clubs in the world.
So that was difficult because I was going into a World Cup and I was like, we’re going to win. I’m here to win. I’m not here to enjoy. For me, I will enjoy if I win it, and probably then I would not enjoy it. So that was like— who I was was going against me. Yeah, mostly than with me because of was not the, the, the, the situation of my club. So that’s why in a short time you try to do this. We did a lot of team building. That was the way we were doing and gather with the fans because our fans in Sweden were amazing. They were always win or lose, they were supporting you. Yeah, which I find strange because when you lose they shouldn’t support you.
Gratification Over Happiness: The Mindset of Champions
TOM BRADY: I think one of the biggest— I don’t know if it’s a lie in sports with teams and high achievers is that you should be happy or it should be joyful when you win, because I don’t think that’s the two emotions that matter most when you’re a high achiever. I think the fans can be happy.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yeah.
TOM BRADY: I think for a player, the greater feeling is the gratification of doing something that’s very hard.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yes.
TOM BRADY: Which is like when you run a marathon and you’re in the middle of the marathon, you don’t go, oh, I’m so happy. I’m so joyful. You think this is really f*ing hard and I’ve got to keep going. And then finally, when you pass the final tape in the marathon, you’re exhausted because you’ve been working. It’s the same when you’re an athlete that needs to perform at a high level. There will be happiness at moments, but the better feeling than happiness or joy to me is gratification because it’s way more sustainable long-term.
We committed to something together as a team. We put our hearts, our emotions on the line, our physical bodies. We sacrificed a lot. We went in training for a big moment. I was really hard on you. You were hard on me. I was stressed at night. I couldn’t sleep. I felt I let the team down. There’s all these emotions that come back and forth when you’re trying, because the competition is difficult. It’s not— you’re not playing the elementary school team. You’re playing against the other best teams in the world. So to me, when you beat those teams, it’s amazing. It’s a great feeling. But then what’s next? Because we got to go do it again and we got to do it again. And that’s to me what you’re ultimately looking for. Get rid of the fact that it should be, this is so happy. No, it’s not happy.
And by the way, you pushing your teammates and them crying, that tells me, well, in the big moments, that’s probably not the guy I want out there with me. Because I want to push them to the point where they’re really uncomfortable. Because believe me, the opponents, they’re going to push you till you’re uncomfortable. And if you’re going to break in practice, you’re going to break in the game. If you’re going to break in front of no fans, you’re going to break in front of 70,000 fans. If you’re going to break against me and my voice yelling at you, you’re going to break when there’s 70,000 fans screaming at you and calling you names.
So let’s figure it out quick. Like, I want to pressure test you early. If you break, I don’t need you anyway, because when you’re losing in big moments, you can’t break. You’re already broken. I need you to build yourself back up. If I know you can’t build yourself back up, because believe me, when you’re in the World Cup, you’re going to be losing in these games. You’re going to be losing in the second half. It’s going to over— you’re going to have to overcome the challenges of losing. I need to figure out if it’s in you. If it’s in you, let’s go. You’re my team. Let’s ride. If you’re not, get the f* out. I don’t need you. Let’s get someone else who can.
Playoffs vs. Regular Season: Raising the Stakes
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: How was your buildup from the regular season and then you went in the playoffs.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Was that a different approach or you just kept going?
TOM BRADY: I think a lot of it, when I was on really high-performing teams, we kept going. But then when you reach the playoffs, there’s another level of focus and concentration because the stakes are higher. So to me, it would be you only have a certain period of time in the playoffs, 5, 6 weeks. The World Cup’s 5 or 6 weeks. Put all that shit in your life in a drawer. It can wait 5 or 6 weeks. This moment is too important for you, for your family, for your country, for your legacy, for the moment. You only get so many of these opportunities in your life. If it’s to go out to dinner, just wait 5 weeks. If it’s to go to a party, wait 5 weeks. Do whatever you can. You’ll never regret that.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yes.
TOM BRADY: If you win, you’re never going to look back and say, well, damn, I should have done that thing that maybe I decided not to do. If you win, it’s all worth it. If you decide to partake in all the distractions, you’re not going to win.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: No, but that says all about the person. What is your objective? Either you’re a competitor and you really want to do something about, let’s say, your professional or your legacy. That says everything about who the person is.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: But then you have some athletes that it goes their way even if they do those things also.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: But it doesn’t last long.
TOM BRADY: It may work once, but it’s never— it’s never going to last that long.
The Fear of Failure and Taking Responsibility
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: It doesn’t last long because I believe in continuity. The great player is there, is in the long term. Not the short term, because this can be like a hype of moment. Everything went your way. A lot of luck. I don’t know, the team was performing, overperforming. But then when you have a career of a lot of years, that is who you are. That is your legacy, I would believe.
TOM BRADY: I think for me there was— you come to these big moments in the end of the game and you could be on the sideline watching or you could be on the field doing in football. I always preferred to be on the field. So if you’re on the field, who wants to shoulder the responsibility? Do I want it to be me or do I want it to be someone else and put it in their hands? Well, to me, I wanted it to be me.
And I think the big part is, and I try to explain this to a lot, the fear of failure you have to erase from your mind. Because what I realized, even in post-career, whether I won a Super Bowl or I lost, the sun came up the next day. My kid was going to be crying the next morning. I had to feed him something. Life moves on.
And I think you have to understand that we all want to win and we’re going to do everything we can to win. And if we’re going to lose, I’d rather be the one that has the ball in his hands, and I’m going to deal with the fear of failure because without overcoming the fear of failure, you’re never going to succeed in the way of your true potential.
Michael Jordan used to say, “I take all these shots to miss, but in the end, I believed that I was always going to make it too.” For me to have the ball in my hands at the end of the game, I always had a belief we were going to win. Now we didn’t always win, but I had a belief that if we were going to win, it was going to be because all those guys looked at me in the huddle and they said, “I believe in you because whatever you say, that’s what you do.”
And if we came up short, we came up short. It was painful. You didn’t sleep well for a week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks. Some of the losses are imprinted on your life forever. There was a loss that I had in 2007 to the Giants in the Super Bowl. We were undefeated. We would have gone down as the greatest team in the history of the NFL. We lost the game. I still feel that today, but that’s okay. You should feel that because you cared a lot. But without that feeling and emotion, I wouldn’t have achieved the success in the big moments as well.
Hero or Zero: Owning the Decisive Moment
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: I see myself also being that guy, like take the responsibility in the decisive moments when everything has the big stake, like now is the moment, win or lose, hero or zero. But in those moments, I never felt fear because of the way I was and the way I was doing things. For me, in my head was success. I’ll do it because I know I’m going to succeed and we’re going to win with it. And then obviously you have moments when you miss and that. But in that precise moment, let’s say penalty last minute, in my head is goal. Because I believe you cannot think on the consequences in a negative way.
Then you shouldn’t be there. Then it’s not for you. Because in your head you already have the movie how it’s going to play out. And then you just have to execute it. Because if you don’t have it, you’re not the right man to be in that moment. Because whoever is in that moment, he already sees what’s happening before it’s happening. So when I come there, I know what I’m doing. We win and we celebrate. At least the confidence has to be there. You cannot go there, let’s see what happens. Because already there, you’re not confident enough to be in that situation. That’s why about fear, I never thought.
I know in the game you’re as good as your last game. That’s standard. And obviously you fail more than you succeed because you learn more in the moments where you fail. And that is what will build you and make you who you will become. Because success is like the small part of everything you described, like sleeping, recovering, eating, stress, being nervous. All this is the bigger picture. And the achievement is actually the smaller part for what time you put to arrive for the success.
So in this, I am that guy. I want to be alive. I want to feel alive. I want to be the one that says, “Listen, I’m going to take care of it, don’t worry. Stand behind me and I’ll lead you.” So I had this in the end of my career because I came in a situation, my second wave in Milan, I didn’t play with great players. I played with normal players. But I put pressure on them. Like, they were great players. But I was the leading guy and they were just waiting for me. What are we going to do? And that was special for me because it was about giving back. Was not about taking. Because I know in early age it’s all about you. Then when you get experience, older, it’s about giving back. Because you don’t need, you don’t have the same ego.
So in these moments when it came and had the whole stadium whistling, in my head was the movie, just wait until I score it and then I want to hear you. So whoever has this fear, I mean a little bit fear you will always have because everything cannot always go your way.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: But the fear should not control you. You control the fear. That is the difference.
Locking In: Super Bowl Preparation and Eliminating Distractions
TOM BRADY: I think that when you have these big moments and like you have a Super Bowl, you have 2 weeks to get ready for that game. There are so many people that want to go down and they think this is the most fun that we’re going to have. We get to go to the Super Bowl and around that there’s all the events. Everyone’s got the parties and everyone’s showing up. And I always felt for me, it was like, I’m not here for fun. I’m here for business. I’m here to work. Everyone go have a great time. Call me when you need something and I’ll try to send you to someone who can help you.
But I’m going to be locked in doing what I need to do because the only way I’m going to have a great experience for those 2 weeks is winning that last game. My 2 weeks will never— I’ll forget every moment of these 2 weeks if we lose. I’ll remember every moment of these 2 weeks if we win the Super Bowl. So I’m not going to let anything get in the way of the preparation that I needed to win that game.
Because if your preparation slipped and the other team’s preparation didn’t slip, when you start that game, you’re at a disadvantage. If you let that other team partake in all the distractions and you don’t, you have an advantage when that game starts. These are the big moments. You’re going to remember them for the rest of your life. Why let anything get in the way of that? Your family shouldn’t. Your friends shouldn’t. The events shouldn’t. The asks or the commitments or the obligations shouldn’t. End that so that you are able to focus on making those two weeks memorable for your life, not for everybody else’s life.
The Noise Around You: Mental Strength and Fan Culture
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: In my world, I was pretty locked. We were locked in and we were not allowed to go on this kind of events. And that because I think the build-up for you guys is different compared to where we were locked up. And the only thing, the captain would speak to the media, do his thing. Then obviously a lot of build-up for the game, a lot of media.
In the beginning of my career, we didn’t have social media, so you couldn’t see what’s going on if you didn’t have the papers or what was going on on TV. But then the social media came, and then I know some athletes, they go in, they check the comments from people, fans, and that. I avoid everything. I’m just locked in. I don’t get disturbed, and I’m just being in my own world for the build-up and the preparation.
But then when you come closer to the game, then you want to engage because you want to feel the surrounding, you want to see what’s going on. Then the fans come in the picture and you want to be with your fans then because you feel the heat, you feel the different atmosphere, something is going on, something is about to happen. So you engage with them, then obviously with every teammate, every individual has his own way of— somebody listen to the music, whatever. But when it came to go out on events, zero. Like, totally zero.
And me as a person, I’m not the guy that gets distracted by all the surrounding because the way I was, the way I had my career was a lot of noise around me. Mostly negative because they didn’t accept who I was, and then they were going against me because I was different than that. But that made me stronger also because of that. It built my mental part in a different way. So when that came later on with the high pressure, you have to win, if you don’t win there is a consequence, I was too strong for that in a way that my confidence was in my mind, we’re not going to lose, we’re going to win. So that was the way I was preparing. And then obviously in Europe, the fans, they’re different because—
TOM BRADY: Why are they different?
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Because for them, most of my career I played in Italy, I played in France, I played in Spain, I played in England. I came over to US. I think US had the softest fans from in my world, let’s say, because I think the setup in US is like the regular season, you just have to reach the playoff.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So when we were losing games, they were like, “Don’t worry, we just need to reach the playoffs.” And I’m like, what do you mean don’t worry? In my world, I am worried because we just lost. “No, but we just need to reach the first 7.” But that’s a different approach mentally. Because I come, I’m Zlatan, I need to perform. If I lose, I feel I lose, not the team, because I failed. And then he’s saying to me, “Don’t worry, we just need to reach the playoff.”
And then I’m like, but then come back when the playoff starts, don’t train with me now because I want to do good in regular season. Because if we think about my contract, I get paid now, I don’t get paid when the playoff starts. Because I was like, if you think like that, you should get 80% of your salary when the playoffs start. Then the 20% regular season, win or lose, it doesn’t matter.
So I came from a high-pressure world, let’s say, where you have to perform every training. And that was how I was built. We were losing in training. I said, “Guys, I don’t lose even 3 games in training.” That’s my mentality. I have to win.
Football as Religion: The Intensity of European Fan Culture
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: And then in Europe, the pressure is so high from the fans. Italy, where I spend a lot of time, for them is not only being a fan, it’s religion. So if you play for their team, their team, whatever it’s Milan, Juventus, Inter, is more important than their family. Because they’re born into a situation that they’re a Milanista, Juventino, Interista, which is the teams. So now you have— you’re playing in a team that is theirs, in their world. It’s theirs.
So when it’s good, everybody’s singing, everything is good. When it’s bad, then you have to be strong. You have to be strong mentally and as a person, because we have situations where they can wait outside the training, 10,000 people. You come with the car, “I’m going to smash your car.” So if you come with a nice car, you better know which car you come with. So sometimes we came with a low-profile car, “Smash that. Don’t worry, the important one is home.”
But you can imagine the pressure and the intensity and the heat from the fans. But it’s the opposite when things are going good. Because when things are going good, you’re flying. But you have to keep a balance because when you’re flying, you might relax also.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So it depends on the individual you are. And we had situations in the stadium where they want to enter the pitch and get to the players and that. But that’s for me— listen, I’m here, I’m doing my best, I’m not here to fail, I’m not trying to fail.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
Fan Culture: Europe vs. America
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: If I’m not good enough, that’s another thing. But I don’t— in my world, I don’t believe somebody is trying to do something to fail. Yeah, but in the fan world, he thinks differently. He thinks he can take out your heart and it belongs to him. Like, but we’re also human beings, we do mistakes. It’s not always guaranteed in everything we do, but the heat is there.
So imagine, as an athlete, it’s not only pressure from the club media, your contract situation, because if you get a big contract, more pressure. The fans are the big pressure in my world, because I don’t know if I have to say I was lucky or not, but I always won wherever I went. So I was always on the good side. I saw the— it came moments when it was heat, but I was like, this is me, I don’t back up. Back down for nobody because I know I’m not here to fool around. I’m here to win and I’m going to make you proud. So that’s more the European fans. So now over to you, give me the American.
TOM BRADY: I know, I think the American fan, what we appreciate is the best. I think we appreciate the best teams, the best athlete, the best music, the best show. There’s a— we’re always looking for what do I really— yeah, I want to cheer for someone. But really what I appreciate is I appreciate someone or a team that’s committed to doing the best. And I think I really recognize that in my post-playing career because for 20 years I played for one team. So when I went to 31 other stadiums in America, all over America, they booed you.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Boo!
TOM BRADY: You walked in and I ruined their Sundays.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Only booing or they went above that?
TOM BRADY: Boo, cheer, flipping you off.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: A lot of words. Now they weren’t burning your car down.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: But there was—
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Throwing things in?
TOM BRADY: Not too much. That would have been bad.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: You had a helmet.
TOM BRADY: Sweet helmet. So we didn’t— I never took my helmet off. But what was really cool for me after my career, now that I’m doing broadcasting, now I go to those same stadiums where they booed me and they clap.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yeah, but you came on a different level.
TOM BRADY: Yeah, but I mean, the point is they really respected what they saw. They couldn’t have respected when you were playing against their team.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: For sure.
TOM BRADY: But when you’re finished playing, they said, “Hey, that was really amazing. We’re glad we don’t have to play you, but we really respect you.” And I think that was a different view than I saw. Because I think in America, we’re very blessed in America, as you know. There’s so many opportunities here to succeed in different area. You could do whatever sport you want. You could do the arts. You could do medicine. You could do legal. You could do— there’s so much great work that the American fan is looking for excellence. And they appreciate excellence.
College Fans vs. NFL Fans
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Were the fans different in college compared to the NFL or no?
TOM BRADY: College, it feels more— in my opinion, I always describe European soccer as more college fanaticism. That because you do it same way. If you go to that college, you love that college forever. You’re born into that. You chose that college, you’ll forever support that college. That’s to me what being born into one of the environments in Europe.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Amazing.
TOM BRADY: You pick your team and you’re with them forever. In America, yeah, you’re with them forever. But you also say, “Hey, I kind of like that team because I really like that player.” And if you’re a LeBron James fan, wherever he went, you’re going to ultimately like that team, because you like his style, his performance, the electricity, the way that he plays. So the American fan, that’s what they want, and I think that’s what they cheer for.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: I truly believe the American athlete would enjoy differently in Europe with those fans, especially your world. If you would have the fans from Europe, when the heat goes, oh my God, they will go crazy. Yeah, they would go crazy. Yeah, the tackles, organize game, play game. I mean, I know when I went in a duel with a player, head-to-head, the fans wanted to come in and like one side versus the other side.
TOM BRADY: Why would anyone mess with you? I have no idea.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yeah, that’s the first thing. But the second was when they tried to mess, I could take care of it by myself. But then I— no, but really, the fans in— it’s different, different ways. I mean, I know basketball. You talk about LeBron with the Lakers fans, and I have been there, and I’ve been also in Belgrade and see a basketball game there.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Whoa, that’s, that’s a little bit scary compared— that’s why I think the American athlete, if he would go through there, I don’t know if he would be—
TOM BRADY: It would be a different intensity.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Yeah, it would be.
TOM BRADY: Yeah.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Oh my God, it would be different.
TOM BRADY: Yeah, it’s a little less civilized, if that’s the way to put it.
Transitioning to Broadcasting
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: So for the first time in my life, I’m going to do the broadcasting for Fox Sports Studios. I’m very excited. I’m very happy. I promise to be myself because that’s what I think they want me to be. But you now have experience. You took like from ex-athlete, from who you were going into this new world. So tell me only what to avoid. Guide me a little bit so I don’t do any mistakes. Which I like to do. No, I’m joking.
TOM BRADY: I think you’re going to be great. And I think that what I’ve learned, and very fortunate, is A, I have the best teammates. And you will too. And what I learned, certainly in my second year, because my first year you’re very much in your head. You’re thinking, what? Am I doing this right? Am I doing this wrong? Did I say the right? Is that the right? And you constantly have this voice in your head every time you’re talking about, is this right or wrong?
And then my second year was, I would say, a little bit of a breakthrough. But I just said, you know what? If I really enjoy this, because I love this sport so much. The fans are going to love it. And if I get intense, they’re going to get intense. And if I get serious and focused, they’re going to get serious and focused.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: Okay.
TOM BRADY: Just like when you were a player. And I think the more you see it as a player and you enjoy it, the fans who are watching you— because you’re so fun to be with. I’ve been with you several times.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: I laugh.
TOM BRADY: I see it the same way. We joke. We have a great time. If you’re that, the world’s going to love it. ‘Cause they get to see someone that they’ve always looked up to, you. But now you get to be their teammate. Because you’re just the fans’ teammate now. You’re just not playing on the field.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: On the other side, yes.
TOM BRADY: You get to be the fans’ teammate. And you just could say, this is why it’s so great. And this is what I appreciate. And by the way, this is what I don’t like. Because if I was doing that, I would do it differently. So you get to be you. And believe me, everybody’s going to love you.
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIĆ: I promise to be myself. Yeah, that’s for sure.
TOM BRADY: There’s only one way for you to be yourself, is being Zlatan. Absolutely. That’s what we learned. You’re awesome, brother. So great.
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