Tucker Carlson Show: w/ Carrie Prejean Boller (Transcript)

And they said, “We’re calling on behalf of the President and we want to invite you to be on this Religious Liberty Commission.”

Joining the Religious Liberty Commission

TUCKER CARLSON: When was that?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: It was April 20th, 2025. And I wept. I was like, “Wow, this is incredible.” I mean, almost 20 years later, after I took that stand, here I am now defending religious liberty — because I ultimately lost the Miss USA or Miss California title because of my answer. I will say that they took it away from me.

TUCKER CARLSON: I remember.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. And the President had my back, which was amazing. He said, “She said nothing wrong. She stood on her principles.” And I loved that about him.

TUCKER CARLSON: Amen. I agree.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Because that was when it was unpopular to do that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: He risked a lot. I was standing there at Trump Tower with him and it was amazing. I’ll never forget that. And so we just stayed friends. I would call him while he’s on the golf course and be like, “Hey, they’re asking me to go on the Gay Pride Parade. I don’t want to do that.” And he’s like, “I’ll take care of it. Don’t worry.”

TUCKER CARLSON: The pageant people are trying to get you to march in the Pride Parade?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. They’re like, “Well, you can make it up to the gays by just going to the Gay Pride Parade and showing that you’re not a homophobe.” So I’m used to these tricks. I’ve been doing this 20 years. So yeah, that’s how I got on the commission.

The Commission’s Work and Its Members

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s exactly what’s happening now. It’s exactly. The topic has changed, sort of, but not the tactics. So what did they tell you the Religious Liberty Commission was?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: They told me that the Religious Liberty Commission was 12 of us, 12 commissioners. And our job was to hear from everyday average Americans who were facing religious persecution, like myself right now, ironically. So we would have hearings in D.C. once a month. And Dan Patrick is the chairman of the commission. We’re equals on this commission.

TUCKER CARLSON: Who’s Dan Patrick?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: He’s the Lieutenant Governor of Texas. He’s not above me, I’m not above him. We’re equals. And it’s under the Department of Justice. So Pam Bondi is involved, actually. Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So we were told that we were going to be hearing from people at these hearings. It’s from 8 to 2 in the afternoon, so a very long day. And the witnesses — we could recommend witnesses and then have them come and testify.

And I recommended so many great witnesses throughout these past seven months. I recommended a little boy who was four, forced to read a book about how you can be transgender. And he came and met the President and everybody got to see that. That was special. The President really appreciated him and his parents’ stance and standing up for religious freedom.

So stuff like that. We heard from a Navy SEAL who lost his pension because he didn’t want to get the COVID shot. Things like that, where we were doing really great work. And I thought it was actually protecting religious freedom, but I realize now that’s not what it was.

Sensing an Unstated Agenda

TUCKER CARLSON: No, it was softening up Christians for the Iran war, obviously, and other things. Who were the other members of it?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: The other 11 — yeah, so I actually, when I got the call, I wept because I didn’t feel qualified. I thought, here I am amongst these incredible names. Bishop Barron, Cardinal Dolan, Kelly Shackelford — he’s run a religious liberty law firm for 35 years, he’s been CEO. You had Ryan Anderson, you had Paula White. Just these incredible names. You have a woman, Allison Ho, who I believe her husband might be the next Supreme Court justice. She’s argued at the Supreme Court over eight times, I think. I mean, here I am, this mom — I just didn’t feel qualified.

TUCKER CARLSON: I didn’t make the connection between your own experience of religious discrimination and disappointment. But clearly that was the point.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Right. Then I realized that, no, I am qualified. In fact, I’m probably one of the most qualified because I don’t know how many people on that stage have ever been attacked, have ever been slandered, have ever been canceled, have ever lost anything.

I mean, look at Dr. Phil. He’s on the commission. He has a huge organization. They have big backing, big money behind them. And here I am, this little mom — I’m not owned by anybody. They can’t take anything from me. And that’s why I’m free. And that’s why I said what I said that day.

The Hearings and a Warning from the White House

TUCKER CARLSON: So what were the meetings like prior to the anti-Semitism hearing?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: They were incredible. I was crying as I would listen to these people who are facing religious persecution. And the end of this — the main part of this commission — is that at the end of the one-year appointment, we were going to sit down with the President and say, “Okay, here’s our report, here’s what we recommend.” Maybe executive orders that you can put in, maybe legislative things that you can push to protect religious freedom. And so I took this position very seriously.

It makes me sad. I was a champion for mothers who didn’t want to vaccinate their kids to go to school. I listened to people that are suffering in Gaza that simply just were protesting at their college campus. They’re using their First Amendment rights. It’s crazy.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you have any sense from talking to the other members — between April, when you got it, and was it January, I think, when this contretemps happened — did you have any sense that the other members of the commission were trying to steer you in a certain direction, disagreed with you, had an agenda that was not stated?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I realized in August — so I got appointed in April or May, May 1, National Day of Prayer, went to the White House, the President signed the executive order. We’re all standing there. And then we took the summer break. So we had a couple months off. And then our first hearing was going to be — I believe it was end of August or early September.

Well, end of August, I got a call from the White House — the designated federal officer who’s in charge of the commission. So the head of Dan — he’s the chairman, and then his boss. And she’s like, “Hey, Carrie, I noticed that you’ve been posting some things online and there’s been some chatter in the White House that you’re an anti-Semite.”

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re an anti-Semite.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And I literally was like, “What are you talking about?”

TUCKER CARLSON: Who was this person?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Her name’s Mary Margaret Bush. And she said, “I don’t know who it is, but it’s probably some low person that is just trying to cause problems. I would ignore it, but I just wanted to make sure that you’re mindful of what you’re posting.”

And that was the first time where I was like, okay. I am not — this is not a paid position. I’m a volunteer. They pay for my flight, they pay for my hotel, but that’s it. I’m not paid to do this job. I’m volunteering this job.

And so I said, “Wait a sec.” I pushed back and I said, “You’re telling me that as a religious liberty commissioner, to protect religious liberty, I don’t have my religious liberty to post about things that affect my religion and my religious beliefs?”

So I pushed back and I said, “What are the things that I’ve been posting?” “Well, you posted Tucker Carlson’s — or you posted the Green Beret that you interviewed, Anthony Aguilar.” I said, “Yeah, I did. I did post that. That’s sad. That’s heartbreaking to me.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Shooting people in food lines, which they have.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. I said, “I’m a pro-life Christian. I have a duty to speak out, and it would be a betrayal of my conscience not to.”

The White House Pressure Campaign

TUCKER CARLSON: So this woman from the White House said that posting an interview that I did made you an anti-Semite.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: She said that there were people complaining about certain things that I was posting. And then this was the worst. She said, “You know, you posted Pope Leo, what he said, and you wrote in the caption, you know, that there’s suffering in Gaza and there’s a genocide. You know, you really just… you shouldn’t use that language.”

That’s when I knew, this is a war. We are in an absolute war. I said, “I’m a Catholic. You’re telling me that I have to censor my posts of Pope Leo, the Holy Father? I can’t post what he’s saying. Talking about the grave suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza.”

And she said, “You also cannot talk about Zionism.” So Zionism — this is her words — is their right to exist. And so when you’re posting about Zionism, Carrie, you’re saying that the Jews don’t have a right to exist.

TUCKER CARLSON: Mary Margaret Bush is her name.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Mary Margaret Bush is her name. She’s a young woman. And I said, “Well, this wouldn’t jeopardize my position on the commission, would it? Like, the President doesn’t know about this, right?”

Because imagine me — I just got appointed. I’m super excited. I’m passionate. This is like my dream job to protect religious freedom. And now I’m being told I don’t have my own. And she goes, “Oh, no, no, no. The President. No, don’t worry about this, Carrie. This wouldn’t jeopardize…”

So I just kept posting. Well, then I got a call from the PPO office at the White House.

“Did She Name the People?”

TUCKER CARLSON: May I just ask you to pause for one second? Did Mary Margaret Bush tell you who had called you an anti-Semite? That’s a serious slander.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Did she name the people?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: She said, “I have no idea who it is.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, it’s just people.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: People are saying… I think the people was Paula White. Let’s just be honest. It was Paula White. I think — my personal opinion.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, so now — I’m sorry to keep interrupting this amazing narrative — but for people who don’t follow this, who is Paula White?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Paula White is Trump’s pastor.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: That’s who he picked as his pastor.

TUCKER CARLSON: And she’s a pastor. That’s her official position. She’s a pastor.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I don’t believe women can be pastors, but who am I? I’m just some dumb mom in California.

TUCKER CARLSON: So she’s a Christian pastor, Paula.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: She’s a Christian Zionist evangelical heretic, in my opinion.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: But yeah, she’s Trump’s… she runs the White House faith office, White House position. And she’s on the Religious Liberty Commission with me and very involved in all things Bibi Netanyahu. And so I got a call from—

TUCKER CARLSON: How would you rate her authority as a Christian leader?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, I don’t take her serious at all. I don’t think she’s a Christian leader. I think she’s a crazy person. Honestly. I think she’s a heretic.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think for people who think you’re throwing those terms around lightly or slandering her, I think it’d be worth going online and reading about her and watching videos of her demanding money from her congregation on film with some other Christian pastor in a foreign country. Clearly, she’s got a complicated personal life and saying things that bear no resemblance at all to Christian doctrine. I think it’s fair what you’re saying, I guess, is my point.

The Call for Resignation

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. So I got a call from the White House — Mary Sprouls, another Mary. And I looked her up.

TUCKER CARLSON: From Presidential Personnel Office.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yes. PPO office. Yeah. I got a call in August, shortly after that phone call with the other Mary. And I’ll never forget it. I answer the phone, and she’s like, “Hi, Carrie. This is Mary Sprouls calling from the White House PPO office. I’m calling to ask you for your resignation today.”

TUCKER CARLSON: When was this?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: This was in August. Yeah, this was in August, a few weeks after. Yes. Very scary. And I remember I had a tear just come down, but I wasn’t sad. It was like anger.

TUCKER CARLSON: Had you gone to any meetings of the commission at this point?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: We had a first hearing, just briefly — a brief hearing on kind of the history of religious freedom in America. But our first hearing, the most important hearing coming up, the little boy that had to revoke, was a few weeks later.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, so this is before you even, like, served out your duties?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah. No, it was before the first official hearing.

TUCKER CARLSON: She asked for your resignation.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: She said, “I want your written resignation today.” And I said, “Who are you?” I thought this was a joke. Who is this person? And she goes, “I am calling on behalf of the White House.” I said, “Why would you ask me for my resignation? I just got on this commission. What did I do wrong?”

TUCKER CARLSON: Boy, you are tough.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, I was not going to go down without a fight. Because I knew… I knew I was looking at—

TUCKER CARLSON: Your husband is not against… she’s tough. So. Excuse me.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, no. Good for you. Yeah. I said, “I’m not resigning. And I don’t know who asked you to have me resign. Was it the President? Because I think the President should ask me to resign if he wants me to resign. He appointed me, and only he can ask for my resignation. So I’m not resigning.” So we got off the phone.

TUCKER CARLSON: Wait, but on what grounds was she demanding your resignation?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: She did not answer any questions. She was just told. It was like a puppet. She was like, “I gotta just send the message.” So I called her back.

TUCKER CARLSON: So she was asking for your resignation, but she did not explain why.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No. She said, “It’s just not working out.” Yeah. Literally, now that it’s coming back to me—

TUCKER CARLSON: This was not a Tinder date. “It’s just not working out.”

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: “It’s just not working out.” And I’m going, this is serious. This is very serious.

Behind the Witch Hunt

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So then I hung up, and then I wanted to make sure it was a legit person. So I called right back, and I said, “Hi, Mary. This is Carrie. I’m just curious. Please — I know you don’t want to give me information. I know you’re just a messenger.” Because I didn’t want to be mean to her, of course. But I said, “Who is telling you to have me resigned? Who have you talked to?”

And I’ll never forget it. She didn’t want to say it, but she finally said it. She goes, “I’ve talked to Paula White and Dan Patrick and Brittany Baldwin” — who Brittany Baldwin used to work for Ted Cruz. So it’s all making sense now. What’s going on?

So this is a witch hunt. They’re trying to actively remove me. And they know that the only way that I could be removed is if I resign, or if I die, or if the President removes me. So in my mind, I’m thinking, does the President know about this, or is this just Dan and Paula trying to out me on their own?

I think they thought, “Oh, if we ask her to resign, she’ll resign.” But I didn’t resign. I said, “No, there’s no reason to resign. You should resign. Actually, why are you asking me to resign?”

So she told me — Dan, Patrick, Paula. So immediately, imagine how boiling I was. So I tried to get in touch with Paula White. No response. I tried to get in touch with Dan. No response.

TUCKER CARLSON: Did you call them or text them or—

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: The weirdest part about this commission — I honestly think it’s so fake and gay because we didn’t even have each other’s phone numbers, emails. I had to literally ask, “Hey, can I get Paula White’s email?” So I actually called her daughter-in-law, her name’s Rachel. She’s a pastor, young woman. And I said, “Hey, Rachel, I just got this disturbing call. I need to talk to Paula immediately.” And she’s like, “Okay, let me try to get ahold of her.” Paula never called me back.

TUCKER CARLSON: What?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No. I waited for like a week and a half.

TUCKER CARLSON: Isn’t she required to — in the New Testament, if you have a conflict with a fellow—

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: 18.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is it Matthew 18?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Matthew 18.

TUCKER CARLSON: Man, you’re good. Yeah, but I mean, that’s a requirement from Jesus. You’ve got a problem—

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Go directly to that person.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly.

Support from the Commission

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. So I did, and she did not want to call me back. And then her daughter-in-law — I got her on the phone — and her daughter-in-law said, “Yeah, I talked to my mom. And she said, ‘Don’t worry about it. There’s a lot of snakes in D.C. There’s a lot of snakes in the White House. And I would just ignore it. And my mother-in-law loves you, Carrie. Don’t worry about it. I think it’s just one of the snakes in the White House.'”

TUCKER CARLSON: Paula White would not speak to you directly?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No. No. So then finally, after I was on pins and needles for a week and a half, wondering, “What’s going on? Am I on this commission?” — I emailed everybody.

I called Bishop Barron, I got him on the phone. I said, “Hey, have you been… did you hear that they tried to remove me?” He goes, “What? Why would they try to remove you?” I said, “I have no idea, other than I’ve been criticizing Israel and talking about the genocide in Gaza. Sorry, I’m a pro-life Christian. I can’t sit here while children are being starved and bombed.” And he totally supported me. And he’s like, “This is insane. You would never be removed from that.”

Bishop Barron told me, “Talk to Ben Carson.” Have you? Ben Carson’s on the commission with me. “Hey, Ben, did you hear about them trying to remove me from this commission?” “No, absolutely not. Ignore it. I’ve never heard of anything about this.”

Kelly Shackelford — same thing. I said, “You’re a religious liberty attorney for 35 years. Did I do something wrong? Am I not allowed to have my religious freedom while serving on this religious liberty commission? Or do I have to be a Zionist who supports a genocide? Is that the requirement of this commission?” He said the same thing. “I haven’t heard a word.”

I literally talked to almost everyone on the commission. I talked to Cardinal Dolan in person. I said, “They tried to get me off this commission, Cardinal.” He goes, “What? For what?” I said, “Well, because I’ve been posting about Gaza.” He goes, “I just gave humanitarian relief to Gaza. So if they’re going to kick you off, I guess they’re going to kick me off too.” Literally his words. Cardinal Dolan. They all supported me.

The Commission Call: Dan Patrick, Paula White, and the Demand for Silence

TUCKER CARLSON: So at this point you believed it was just Paula White. Why would the lieutenant governor of Texas be on this commission?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I think that he is a snake. I think him and Paula are together in this and they wanted to get rid of any dissenting voice that goes against their Zionist.

TUCKER CARLSON: But why was he on the commission?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Well, I didn’t even know who he was. I had no idea who he was. But I guess Trump appointed him as the chairman of this commission. So then I got a call. After I was on pins and needles, I finally got a call, and it was Dan and Paula. And I’ll never forget, I literally remember —

TUCKER CARLSON: Dan Patrick and Paula White.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yes. They called me and they said, “Hi, Carrie, I know you’ve been worried this past couple weeks,” but Dan started and he goes, “I just want to let you know we’ve been in meetings about your situation.”

TUCKER CARLSON: What situation?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, what situation that I’m posting about? God forbid I criticize Israel. Can’t do that while serving in this administration. And he said, “I just want to let you know, Carrie, your job on this commission” — I’ll never forget this, Tucker — “your job on this commission is to protect the president and his reputation.” He said that to me, the first thing out of his mouth. I couldn’t believe it. I go, “What? I thought my job is to protect religious freedom. I thought that’s what he appointed me to do.”

And he goes, “You’ve been saying things online, Carrie, and you really need to stay off social media. Do not use social media between now and the end of your term.” And then Paula White chimed in and she said, “Yeah, Carrie, you really shouldn’t be posting about replacement theology. You shouldn’t be posting about that. And there’s a lot of people that are saying that you’re an anti-Semite, Carrie, by your posts. You’re criticizing Zionism, you’re criticizing Israel, and we have a problem with that.”

And then Dan chimed in again, and he got loud. He got real loud. And he’s like, “Carrie” — because I pushed back and I said, “Well, wait a second. What am I posting that is so offensive to you? That’s against the rules of this commission?” Because I didn’t sign anything saying I wasn’t going to use my social media. I speak out about things that I care about. I’m a religious person. I’m a Christian.

And he said, “You’ve been saying things that are not in alignment with the president and are not in alignment with Paula White and some of the other members on this commission.” And that’s when I knew that this commission was a fraud. It was pretend. It was not about religious freedom. It was about: you better be a Zionist, you better push our agenda, or you’re off.

And that was in August. So we ended the conversation. Dan got really upset because I said, “I really do want to keep posting. I’m not going to not use my social media. Can’t agree to that, Dan.” And he goes, “Well, why don’t you just — if you have any questions about Israel or Gaza —” because Paula White chimed in, “I’m the expert in that. You’re just —”

TUCKER CARLSON: Paula White’s an expert on Gaza?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. “I’m the expert in that. I just got back from there and there’s no kids starving there. It’s all fake, Carrie. It’s all pretend.” And so she said, “If you want —”

TUCKER CARLSON: Is she a Christian minister saying that?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you think that she, at any point in the course of a day, feels like, “Oof, I’m going to have to answer for this at some point?”

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, I think she’s just —

TUCKER CARLSON: To deny the death of children in the name of Jesus is a pretty heavy thing to do.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: It’s pretty sick. It’s pretty dark. And she said, “If you have any questions about anything, if you want to post anything, you need to run it by me first.” So now Paula White, an equal of mine on this commission, is now telling me that I have to get everything approved by her in order to post about my religious beliefs. Is that insane?

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s making my heart beat fast listening to this. Yes.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So that’s the backstory.

Tucker’s Reaction: “It’s Completely Evil”

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, it’s completely evil. And I’ll just say, I know Paula White, sort of. I know Dan Patrick very well. He’s a lot more liberal than I am. He’s quite liberal. But I always liked him. He’s not stupid at all. And I’m shocked by this. I was shocked by it. It’s so disgraceful.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Me too. I cried, actually. I cried. I cried to my husband, I cried to my kids. I couldn’t believe this. I couldn’t believe that this was happening in the United States of America, that we care more about protecting a foreign nation than we do our own people.

TUCKER CARLSON: Did either one of them — Dan Patrick is a self-described Christian, Paula White is some kind of Christian minister. I want to be clear, it doesn’t look like Christianity to me, but I’m trying not to judge. But did either one of them explain why a requirement of the Christian faith is supporting the Netanyahu government? Do they explain the theology there? Because I don’t understand it.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, they never explained it. They just said, “You can’t have your theology. You can’t believe what you want. You have to submit to ours.”

TUCKER CARLSON: But their theology is that Christians are required, as a matter of faith, to support the government of Israel.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you have any idea —

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: “Those who bless Israel will be blessed.” It’s exactly what Ted told you.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. He had no idea where in the Bible it was. Of course, that line is not actually in the Bible. It doesn’t say that. But whatever the leap between that — whatever that means, it does mean something. And the moral, the religious requirement to support the government of Israel — I mean, those are just like completely two different things.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, they don’t think they are.

Replacement Theology vs. Fulfillment Theology

TUCKER CARLSON: Did Paula White or Dan Patrick explain where you were wrong on doctrine?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, no. They just said I cannot hold firm to replacement theology, which they don’t know. Catholics — it’s fulfillment theology. We believe that we are the fulfillment. It’s not replacement. They like to dig us and say, “Oh, you believe in replacement theology?” No, no, no. We’re the fulfillment. Christ is the fulfillment of Israel.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, that’s what —

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So we are the new people of Israel. Exactly.

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, it says it on every page. But they’re accusing you of believing in something called replacement theology — for people who don’t follow this, and I’m kind of one of them, I don’t fully understand what that means. What do they mean by that?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: They believe that the church has replaced Israel. So for 2,000 years, that’s what all of the early church fathers have taught — that we are the new Israel, we’re the spiritual Semites. They would literally be rolling in their graves if they thought that we were being told that 1948 Israel is some biblical prophecy fulfillment. I mean, that alone is insane — that they think that this political state of Israel that was created in 1948, mostly by atheists, is some biblical prophecy being fulfilled. And I mean, you’re aware of Darby and Scofield, and so this is the fruit of that rot.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is there any other place in America — in the world rather — where you have a big group of Christians who believe that 1948 Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No. In fact, do you know, Tucker, that I asked my priest — I had about six priests guiding me before this hearing, spiritually advising me before this hearing, because I wanted to make sure I know what I’m saying and that it’s actually accurate with what the church teaches.

And I’ll never forget, he’s from Spain, God bless him. He’s so sweet. And I said, “Father, do you know what Zionism is?” He looked at me like I was an alien. And he’s like, “What’s Zionism?” I couldn’t believe it. I said, “You realize in America that these people like Paula White, Dan Patrick, Ted Cruz — most of our politicians in government who have power, who are in the White House praying over the president — they’re Zionists. They believe that 1948 Israel is a biblical prophecy fulfillment.” He looked at me like I was crazy. He said, “Nobody’s ever taught that.” I said, “I know. And now they’re forcing it on me, a Catholic, on this commission.” Yeah, it’s really scary.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, it’s —

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

The War and the Timing of Her Removal

TUCKER CARLSON: And especially since we just wound up in a war thanks to this. I mean, it’s hard not to see this as all preparation for this war, which is resetting the world.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And they had to get rid of the only dissenter of Zionism. They had to get rid of her on this commission before the war. It was within weeks.

TUCKER CARLSON: That did occur to me, watching this. Why is it so important to crush this woman? Like, okay, she’s confused, you disagree with — it’s a religious liberty commission. Are there Jews on it too?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I assume one rabbi.

TUCKER CARLSON: One rabbi. So he’s got different views. You would think he’s Jewish, you’re Christian. That’s okay.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s okay to disagree, but it’s not okay to question the behavior of the secular nation state of Israel. So that tells you it’s not really about religious liberty.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Not at all.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s about —

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

Running Posts by Paula White

TUCKER CARLSON: So, okay, the upshot of that conversation was what — they call you and tell you you’ve got to run your social media posts by this priestess.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: And you say no, then what happens?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So I kind of played along with it just to see where it would go. So I didn’t stop posting, but I would run things by her. Like that kid in Florida who was being detained in Israel — I sent her an email and I said, “Hey, Paula, there’s a kid in Israel that’s detained.”

TUCKER CARLSON: US citizen.

The Hearing: Preparation and Arrival in Washington

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: US citizen. I said, we need to do something about this. I said, I know you have connections with Bibi. Maybe you can call Bibi up and see if you can get him released. This is what I am supposed to do on this commission. This is a US citizen that is being detained. A child in Israel, and nobody’s doing anything about it. No response.

Then I sent her another email saying, hey, Paula, there’s a bunch of teachers. The Christian schools in Israel are being shut down because these Palestinian teachers are being told they can’t come and teach. So these Christian schools are going to be closed. Can you help? Can you do something about it? No response.

So this arrogant woman who had the audacity to ask me to get things run by her in order to post online doesn’t even have the respect to respond. She does not care about religious freedom at all. And that’s when I really knew that I was up against a big, big giant. So I just kept posting and I just kept posting more, more and more every day because I wasn’t going to allow them to do this to me. No, they messed with the wrong person, apparently.

TUCKER CARLSON: They did.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: I love it so much, I can’t stand it. I wish more men were like this.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I know.

TUCKER CARLSON: Sorry to say that. It makes me so sad. Anyway, it’s like 90% of the people I know in my world who are like, “Oh, you told me to violate my principles. I’m doubling down on my principles.” They’re like 90% women, and I don’t know what — I respect and love them all, truly revere them. But half the population’s male — where are the men? I don’t get it. I talk to my wife about this all the time. Like, what is that?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: They’re afraid.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s —

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Well, nobody wants to be called an anti-Semite.

TUCKER CARLSON: I get it.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Nobody wants to be called a racist. Nobody wants to go through what you’re going through, what I’m going through. They put you in this box and they shut the door and they say, “Shut up, you anti-Semite. You’re not allowed in society. We’re going to shame you. We’re going to cancel you. We’re going to destroy you.” That’s what they do.

TUCKER CARLSON: And of course, it raises the chances you’re going to get shot to death — which is one of the reasons they do it. We had this moment of agreement after Charlie Kirk was killed that, calling people Nazis can get them killed. And so I immediately called Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and I was like, “We should not fight.” They both agreed. And the next thing you know — because they do understand it makes it more likely you’ll be killed — oh yeah, they’re totally pro-violence, obviously.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: And so, yeah, the stakes are super high.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Very high. I have small children.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I take this very seriously.

TUCKER CARLSON: You should take it seriously.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: So then what happened?

Witnesses Rejected, Preparations Withheld

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So then I just doubled down. I kept posting. I wasn’t getting any responses from Paula. I sent a follow-up with the head of the commission saying, “Hey, are other commissioners being told they can’t post on social media, or am I the only one given that guidance?” And she sent me an email back saying, “Well, you must have prudence when you post,” which I agree with. But none of the other commissioners, Tucker, were told what I was told. They were all posting freely. Dr. Phil was posting. Eric Metaxas, who has his own show, he’s posting. Eric Metaxas — he’s on the commission, actually. Yeah, actually. Crazy. Crazy.

TUCKER CARLSON: Wow.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Since my removal, he has attacked me like you cannot imagine. Very disappointing.

TUCKER CARLSON: Sad, sad guy.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, sad.

TUCKER CARLSON: Very troubled guy.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So leading up to this hearing — imagine all that backstory. People only saw that hearing in February, but there was a whole backstory. And I kept my mouth shut. I wanted to come out and tell the world what they did to me. And I actually was going to do it on stage that day, but my priest advised me not to. I don’t know if I should have or shouldn’t have, but I kind of wanted to call Paula White and Dan Patrick out to their face in front of the world.

TUCKER CARLSON: So this all leads up to the hearing last month?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yes, the anti-Semitism hearing.

TUCKER CARLSON: And so did you have contact with anybody else on the commission that day before the hearing?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No. So the way it works is before the hearing, once we request our witnesses, we get a whole 40-page rundown of everything they’re going to say — who they are, what they’re going to speak about — so we can prepare to ask them questions and kind of go back and forth, take notes and all that.

And so I realized I hadn’t gotten the paper yet. I hadn’t gotten who was speaking. And I had requested four Jewish Americans who are facing true antisemitism here in America. And they were all four rejected. Why? Because they’re not Zionists. You had to be a certain kind of Jew in order to be accepted.

TUCKER CARLSON: They were rejected.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: They were rejected.

TUCKER CARLSON: By whom?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: By the commission. Whoever calls the shots. I have no idea. It’s so unorganized. I honestly don’t even know how this commission works, unfortunately. It’s embarrassing to say that, to admit it, but I don’t know who approves these. I recommended Norm Finkelstein — he’s written books about this. I mean, he is so knowledgeable on this, but —

TUCKER CARLSON: Son of Holocaust survivors.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. Who better? Who better to speak on this than Norm? He was rejected.

TUCKER CARLSON: Who else?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Miko Palad. He’s an Israeli citizen, raised there in Israel, and now he runs a Palestinian organization, does tremendous work. And then this guy, David Spelvik in New York — he’s out of New York. And then I requested a rabbi, a Jewish rabbi who’s been fighting against Zionism for over 40 years.

TUCKER CARLSON: What they call a Torah Jew, I assume — a believer in the Torah, not the —

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: He says he’s an Orthodox. That’s how he — yeah. So, yeah, there are a lot of those.

TUCKER CARLSON: I know a bunch of them.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah, they’re all anti-Zionists. So anyway, they were all rejected. I requested two Palestinian Christian organizations to speak, just to have a fair and balanced hearing. I wanted it to be fair and balanced. They were rejected, too. Unfortunately.

So I’m on the plane heading to D.C. before the hearing. I still haven’t gotten the rundown of who’s accepted — who am I going to be hearing from? So I sent an email: “Hey, wondering where the rundown is. I need to prepare. I’m on the plane. I need to prepare for this hearing tomorrow.” “Okay, yeah, we’ll send it over soon.” Never sent it. Never got it from them.

I had to email Kelly Shackelford and say, “Hey, Kelly, did you receive any preparations for this hearing?” “Oh, yeah, yeah. They sent it a couple weeks ago.” So they purposely did not send me the rundown. I believe they wanted to leave me out of it so I wasn’t prepared. But I was prepared.

TUCKER CARLSON: So you had no idea who was going to appear at the hearing?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No idea. No idea. And the only way I knew Norm wasn’t accepted — and Miko and David and the rabbi — they told me, “We weren’t accepted.” And it broke my heart. Because there is true anti-Semitism happening.

Arriving at the Hearing

TUCKER CARLSON: So how did you feel flying to Washington?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Scared. I was scared for my life. Most of the commissioners stay at the Museum of the Bible, because that’s where the hearing is. I had requested that I stay there due to my safety. They rejected that. I stayed at a random hotel across the way.

TUCKER CARLSON: They wouldn’t let you stay there?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, I requested. I said, “Hey, I don’t feel safe. I’m traveling alone. For my safety, I’d like to stay at the museum. That way I just go down the elevator and I’m there at the hearing.” No.

So I had a Muslim woman who has become a dear friend, like a sister. She’s on the advisory board to this commission — she’s one of the only Muslim representatives. So there are 30 advisory board members and then there are the 12 commissioners. I said, “Hey, Samira, would you mind meeting me at my hotel and walking with me over? I don’t really feel safe walking alone.” “Sure, yeah.” So she met me in my hotel lobby.

And I got a text at 7:30 in the morning. The hearing was supposed to start at 8. We were supposed to arrive at 7:45. And it was from Dan Patrick. And he said, “Meet me in this room for a meeting with me and Paula.” I was like, “Oh, you want to play dirty? Last hour, you want to play dirty? Okay.” So I didn’t respond. I’m not going to engage in that. I’m here for the Religious Liberty Commission. And I knew this hearing was very important, so I did not respond.

So as soon as I get to the Museum of the Bible, go in the VIP entrance, back door — Samira’s with me — Brittany Baldwin comes up. Remember, she was one of the ones that the White House mentioned they spoke to about my resignation. So I’m already on to her.

TUCKER CARLSON: She was a former Ted Cruz staffer.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yes, yes. And so she came up to me and goes, “Oh, Carrie, Dan Patrick wants to meet you in the room with Paula.” And I said, “I don’t feel comfortable meeting with him alone. I’m sorry. Unless Samira is welcome, I’ll come with her, but I’m not coming alone.” She got very nervous and was like, “Oh, okay, I’ll let him know.” And I said, “Okay, let him know.” So she made Samira go. And I went to the back with all the commissioners. And so I’m sitting back there — at that point, I’m at a 10. I probably have smoke coming out of my ears.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m at a 10 just hearing this.

The Pre-Hearing Intervention

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, Tucker, this has been going on far too long. These people are relentless. And they thought that they could bully me, a mom in California, but they didn’t know what they were up against because I was not going to back down.

So I walk in the back. Dan Patrick is in there with Ben Carson, and I believe Paula White was already in there. And I had to walk right past, go to the back, start preparing, because thank God Kelly sent me the lists, and I’m just to myself.

And Eric Metaxas comes up and he goes, “What’s wrong with you?” And I go, “Really? Do you want to know what’s wrong with me?” I said, “Were you told that you can’t post on social media while you serve on this commission, or was it just me? I know you’re a Zionist, so you’re probably safe, but I’m not a Zionist. So I was told I can’t post about my position on Israel. I can’t post criticism of Israel.”

And he looks at me like I was crazy. And he’s like, “What? They told you you can’t?” I said, “Yeah, they told me I can’t post. That’s what’s going on, Eric. That’s what’s going on. And now they’re trying to do an intervention meeting right before the hearing with Dan and Paula and Ben. But I’m not going.”

And he goes, “Well, yeah. I mean, this is crazy.” I said, “I know you’re a Zionist and that’s fine. You’re entitled to your beliefs, I’m entitled to mine, but you can’t force me to believe what you believe. This is a Religious Liberty Commission. We should all be diverse. We shouldn’t all be the same. Right, Eric?” Yeah, right.

So then Brittany comes back and she goes, “Okay. Dan said Samira can come. So I’m going to bring Samira up.” I said, “Great, I’d like a witness there.” So she was bringing Samira up, and I looked at Eric and I go, “Hey, do you mind coming with me? You remind me a lot of my dad. And my dad passed away a couple years ago. I would really appreciate it if you would come with me so I don’t have to come alone.” And he goes, “Well, do I have to?” And I go, “Yeah, I’d like you to man up and come with me.” So he came with me.

The Confrontation

So it’s me, Eric and Samira. We walk in. Ben Carson, Dan Patrick, Paula White and Brittany are in there. And right away it was heated. And Dan looks at me and he goes, “How do you think this Religious Liberty Commission has been going, Carrie?” I said, “It’s been going great. I’ve really enjoyed being on this commission.” And he goes, “Well, I just want to know, what are you going to say today?”

And I go, “What am I going to say today? What are you going to say today, Dan? Are we going to talk about a foreign country? Because whatever you’re going to say, I’m going to say. So if you’re going to talk about Israel, I’m going to talk about Gaza, okay?”

I’m literally talking to these politicians like they’re five year olds, like they’re my kids. I’m like, “You guys can’t be this dumb. I know you think I’m dumb, but I’m not. I’m smarter than I look. I guess you guys thought I was dumb. You thought I was just going to be on this commission and play along to get along.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, the beauty queen. We can boss her around.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, we can boss the dumb blonde around, throw her around, tell her what to do. Nobody else. Yeah. So it got very heated.

TUCKER CARLSON: So what did he say when you said that?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: He goes, “Well, I mean, you posted yesterday at the airplane.” They’re tracking every move I make, and they’re seeing everything I post, which is good. I did that on purpose. Why do they care?

TUCKER CARLSON: You’ve got one commissioner who’s not on the program. Why is that a problem?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: They’re obsessed with me. I don’t know. So he goes, and Brittany Baldwin is in the corner. And she goes, “Yeah, I can pull it up. Here it is. You posted that you are so proud to serve on this Religious Liberty Commission.” And something about you’re not going to be bullied by the Zionist supremacists. And you posted a #FreePalestine hashtag.

I literally started laughing. I go, “You guys are ridiculous. This is a hearing on anti-Semitism. And by the way, did you accept any of my witnesses that I recommended? Dan, Brittany, Ben, Paula, did you accept them? No. Why not? They’re Jewish Americans that are facing anti-Semitism. Oh, you don’t want them because they’re not Zionists, because they don’t believe what you believe about Israel. They’ve been fighting against Zionism for 40 years. You don’t want people like that.”

I got mad, but I kept my cool. They didn’t know what to say. And they go, “Well, you had reposted something saying that we weren’t accepting.” I said, “Yeah, you weren’t accepting any of my witnesses. You accepted none of them. And thank God Kelly Shackelford gave me the witness list so I knew who was speaking today. You guys didn’t even send me the list of the speakers. You guys did that on purpose, didn’t you?”

I called them all out by name. And then I look over at Eric and I go, “Eric, by the way, while we’re here, were you told that you can’t post on social media, or was it just me? Paula, did you have to get your posts run through in order to post and use your private social media page? Or did you only tell me, Paula?”

I said, “The audacity that it takes. Thank God I know my rights. You don’t control me. And Paula, wait till the public finds out about this. They’re not going to be happy with you. You tried to censor me while serving on a Religious Liberty Commission. You tried to force me to believe what you believe. You forced me to adopt your religion and I won’t do it. And that’s why you’re angry.”

And then Dan got really weird and he’s like, “Well, you’ve been posting about Charlie Kirk.” It was so weird.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, they didn’t like it when you posted about Charlie Kirk.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: They said, “You’ve been questioning who assassinated him.” I go, “Oh, wow. God forbid I question anything. I have to be a robot, right, Dan?”

TUCKER CARLSON: No one’s been convicted, by the way.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Right. That’s what I said. I said, “This is an ongoing investigation. I have every right.”

TUCKER CARLSON: And moreover, I don’t think this kind of behavior puts people’s concerns to rest.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: It was very odd. It was very odd.

TUCKER CARLSON: Ruthlessness, cruelty, single-minded devotion to some weird culty cause — that doesn’t make me feel better at all.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Shut up and obey.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, but they didn’t like that, huh?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, because I don’t obey them. They don’t like that.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m trying not to get — okay, so wow. How is this resolved?

The Hearing Begins

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, so the meeting was supposed to start at, I think, 8:30 or 9. It ended up being late. The hearing started late because it was this heated. And Ben Carson’s sitting there half asleep. I’m like, “Come on, Ben. What are you doing? Stand up and speak up for me.” I’m being literally attacked by all these people.

Thank God Samira was with me. She’s so soft spoken and sweet, and she stood up and she’s like, “You know, there is suffering going on in Gaza. You guys realize that, right? I’m one of the only Muslims on this commission. Can you not just accept that?”

And then Eric was super rude to her. He’s like, “Who are you and why are you here?” It was so disrespectful. I felt so bad for her.

TUCKER CARLSON: So is Eric Metaxas’s position that there’s no suffering in Gaza, or that it’s immoral to talk about it?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Well, it’s of course justified because we’re trained that no Muslim is worth defending, right?

TUCKER CARLSON: How is that a Christian perspective?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, it’s not a Christian perspective. And I feel I was the only one living out my Christian faith, saying, “Wait a second, there’s suffering in Gaza. There’s a genocide happening. There’s a holocaust happening. Why am I not allowed to post about it?” Oh, because it goes against the president. And your job is to protect the president.

And Dan did say that again in the intervention hearing. He said, “You’re just saying things that go against the president. And to serve on this commission is a privilege. It’s a privilege. And you’re abusing that privilege,” ultimately is what he said.

TUCKER CARLSON: As I’ve said, I know everybody — almost everybody in the room — and I mean, I like everybody just as a default. So it’s so distressing to hear this. Shocking to me.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Changes how I view a lot of these people.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Many of them are owned, unfortunately. That’s obvious.

TUCKER CARLSON: And there’s also clearly some — there’s a supernatural quality to this. I mean, you can’t pay most people enough to defend the murder of children. So I do think there’s a way in which they’re under a spell.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I know, it’s so sad.

TUCKER CARLSON: And I will say, Eric Metaxas, who wrote a very long book celebrating Martin Luther — not a Zionist. Martin Luther, the author of On the Jews and Their Lies. And so it’s a little weird. I don’t know. Speaking of anti-Semitism. But anyway, whatever. I don’t want to get in the weeds. Okay. So the point of this was to get you within boundaries before the hearing opened. But that didn’t work.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: So then what happened in the hearing?

Confronting the Witnesses

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So imagine I’m now — I mean, the anger that I had, I can’t even describe, because this has been building for months now. And so it was at an all-time high. And so when we left the meeting and went on stage, I’m like shaking. I could cry, I could scream. And I just prayed and I’m like, “Okay, Lord. I need to just stay calm. I have to get through this hearing. This is a five-hour hearing and I’ve got to get through it. I need to be poised. I need to be respectful. I can’t let my anger get to me. And I have to remain a Christian during this hearing. I cannot give them a reason to say, ‘You’re not a Christian.'” And so it just started.

TUCKER CARLSON: Thank you. Thank you for doing that.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Thank you.

TUCKER CARLSON: Thank you again. As I said at the outset, people get — this has happened to me like a thousand times — you just get so mad that you say something cruel. You overstate what you believe. You get personal. You’re not a good representative of the faith at all. You become a terrible representative because you get angry. And it’s been a constant struggle for me my whole life, and I usually fail. That’s why, again, I was just amazed by your testimony because it was so controlled. You kept control, which is essential. You succeeded. So then, okay, what happened? You go into the room and what happened?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, so I go into the room, and then they bring out the witnesses, the first witnesses, and it goes one after the other after the other, and then it opens up to the commissioners to ask questions.

So right away, I’m thinking, okay, so this guy said he faced anti-Semitism on a college campus. I’m genuinely sorry that you experienced that. And I voiced that. I said, “Can we say that what happened to you is wrong, but then also say that the students who are peacefully protesting on these college campuses have every right to do that, because they’re protesting the killing of over 70,000 innocent civilians in Gaza? Can we not say the two things are wrong? Can we not say, yes, what you experienced as a Jewish person not being able to access your classroom — or whatever his situation was — was true anti-Semitism? But then also, can you say that what’s going on in Gaza is wrong?”

And he was like, “No, no, no, no, no. There’s no genocide in Gaza. The genocide was on October 7th.” And I’m thinking, these people are so lost. How can you not say that killing 70,000 innocent civilians is wrong? Just say it’s wrong.

TUCKER CARLSON: Because you don’t believe in universal principles. You don’t believe that every person was created by God and has inherent worth. Some people are valuable and others are not. That’s where that comes from.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, they’re superior.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. So I just reject that as a Christian, period.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I do, too.

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t think Christian life is more valuable than a Jewish life or a Muslim life or a Hindu life. I just. I just don’t think that.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, so it started there.

TUCKER CARLSON: So you said that and he. And this witness.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you remember who it was?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, Shabbos Kestenbaum. He was one of them. I don’t remember the other names, but he was the one that said, “Oh, no, there’s no genocide in Gaza. The genocide was on October 7th.”

That’s when I knew this hearing was going to get intense because this hearing was on anti-Semitism. And then I realized, well, we have to define the terms. What is anti-Semitism? So I quoted the IHRA definition. I said, if by saying “the Jews killed Jesus,” that is according to the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism. So one of the pastors who was testifying, I said, “Does it concern you as a pastor that certain parts of the Bible are going to be considered hateful?”

The Anti-Semitism Definition Debate

TUCKER CARLSON: The Christian parts?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. And he goes, “Well, the Jews did kill Jesus.” And I said, “Do you realize you’re making an anti-Semitic statement right now, Mr. Pastor?”

This is the cognitive dissonance that these people have. They don’t even know what the. I mean, IHRA is a pretty broad definition across most states. So it’s pretty serious. And so I was starting to think, okay, so is equating criticism of Israel being a Jew hater?

So I said, “Is anti-Zionism anti-Semitism?” Because I’m not a Zionist. That has nothing to do with someone’s right to exist as a human being. Of course, everybody has a right to exist by God. But anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. And I pressed him and I said, “Yes or no? Yes or no on the record?” And he said, “Yes.”

And I was shocked. I was so disappointed that all the commissioners with big titles, big degrees, they didn’t chime in and say, “Wait a second, anti — a political ideology doesn’t make you a Jew hater.” That’s what I’m disappointed in.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, the definition is inherently an attack on Christianity.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, that.

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, by definition, if you write a definition that would ban the New Testament, then it’s an anti-Christian document. But I guess it’s been adopted by various states.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, that’s the scary part. That’s the scary. In this state right now, in Florida right now, that’s what’s scary. I never thought being in California, I was more free than people that live in Florida, but this is where it’s going. It’s very dangerous.

And I was the only Christian that was willing — the youngest person in that room. I’m just a dumb blonde pageant girl. Who am I? What do I know? No, it’s common sense. Wait a second, you’re saying that if I don’t believe that 1948 Israel — and I said this, people can verify — I don’t believe as a Catholic that 1948, the modern state of Israel, has any biblical fulfillment prophecy at all, meaning at all. I don’t believe that. And I have every right not to believe that. I don’t believe that. Why are you forcing me to believe that?

“Shut up, you anti-Semite.” That’s what I got back. “You’re a hateful bigot if you don’t believe that.”

I was disobedient to them, and that’s all I was doing was asking questions. And the logical conclusion of what they were saying is, yes, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. And I quoted the rabbi who didn’t get to come — that was denied. I quoted him, and he’s been speaking out about Zionism for 40 years. He said, “So are you calling me, a Jewish rabbi, an anti-Semite now? Is that where we’re going with this? So a Jewish rabbi is an anti-Semite now?”

According to their definition, this is at a Religious Liberty Commission hearing from the president. And nobody chimed in and said, “Wait a second, I have a problem with that. That’s dangerous. Let’s not say that.” So a Jewish rabbi is being called an anti-Semite. And then I said, “I’m a Catholic. I don’t believe the 1948 political state of Israel has any biblical prophecy fulfillment meaning at all. So does that make me an anti-Semite? Are all Catholics anti-Semites, according to you?” And essentially it was, yes.

The Aftermath: Removal from the Commission

TUCKER CARLSON: The tape is almost unbelievable. I’m so glad that you forced this and I’m so glad that you revealed these people for who they really are. This isn’t a minor doctrinal point. This is like the very center of the question of religious liberty.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: If you’re not allowed to believe that, then you don’t have religious liberty. Then the First Amendment isn’t real. And it also — this is an attack on traditional Christianity. So it has to be defended by Christian leaders. I think the right to believe what you say you believe, which is not hateful, of course, in the slightest. It is inconvenient if you want to use American troops to fight Israel’s wars. What kind of response did you get from the other commissioners — during, after?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: A lot of them just stayed silent. They were too afraid, I think.

TUCKER CARLSON: Did a single one of the other 11 rise to defend your right to say what you were saying?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, of course not. No. They have all corporations to protect and businesses to protect and big donors to please. So why would they. I was literally the only free person on that stage — the mom in California.

TUCKER CARLSON: How did it end?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: It ended with there was a guy in the audience that kept heckling. And I eventually looked over at Dan. I said, “He needs to be removed.” Like, this is, you know, heckling. Yeah, he kept heckling me, yelling things at me, booing me.

There was a lot of — I noticed there was a lot of Jewish rabbis in the audience. There wasn’t a lot of people in the audience. Normally it’s filled, because anybody can go, right? But there was a lot of boos every time I would say, “I’m a Catholic.” Boo. And it was very hostile. I felt like my voice wasn’t welcome there, obviously.

And then Dan had the audacity to interrupt me when I said, “So are you claiming that all Catholics that are not Zionists are anti-Semites? Is that what you’re saying?” And he’s like, “Well, I’m going to interrupt. I’m going to interrupt right now, Carrie.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Why? I said, “This discussion is very important. This is very important.”

TUCKER CARLSON: And what did he say?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: He let us continue. And we were just going back and forth, back and forth with these witnesses. And I was very respectful, very respectful. I didn’t raise my voice. I didn’t get angry. I laughed a few times, told Shabbos Kestenbaum that we should get coffee, or, you know, we need to be having these discussions. We need more speech, not less. They didn’t want my voice.

So after the hearing was over, my priest was there. He came and watched, and he was very proud of me. There was another Orthodox priest there, and he said, “I’m so proud of you. I can’t believe you did this.” I said, “It had to be done. It had to be done.”

TUCKER CARLSON: What were the other commissioners like after the hearing?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I didn’t speak to one of them, and I haven’t spoken to any of them since.

TUCKER CARLSON: Really?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: So this immediately goes up on the Internet. What’s the next communication you have from the White House or the commission?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So I got a text the next day, and it was from Dan Patrick. He tried calling me, but I didn’t answer. I thought I would just get it in writing. And he said, “I tried calling you. Your voicemail box is full. I’m letting you know, effective immediately, that you have been removed from the Religious Liberty Commission.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Did he explain why?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I honestly couldn’t believe it. I was like, back in 2009, I stood up for my faith, and now I’m doing the same thing. This is what got me on this commission. Why would I be removed? What is going on? This is the United States of America. Haven’t we made progress?

TUCKER CARLSON: No.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Don’t we have religious freedom in this country? You can’t express it honestly and respectfully and civilly. Like, what is going on? I literally just cried when I got it. I’m like, this is so sad for my children, for my grandchildren.

TUCKER CARLSON: You can see where it’s going, too.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. Yeah. And so he said at the very end of the text — it was a short text — “This is my decision.” The audacity. The audacity that he has to claim he has authority to make this. This firing. “This is my decision.” No, Dan, you’re an equal of mine. You have no authority.

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t think Dan’s making any of his own decisions in general.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: None of those people are.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, of course not. “It’s my decision.”

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And I will say Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan were not there that day.

TUCKER CARLSON: They were not at the hearing.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: They were not at the hearing that day. I would have loved for them to be there. That would have been great.

“You Have No Authority to Remove Me”

TUCKER CARLSON: So you, as I recall, because I was watching all this from afar, said, “Nope, can’t remove me.”

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Because you didn’t appoint me.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Nope. I did a little investigating online, and I researched this — how this commission was established and the executive order — and I realized, “Wait a second. The only person that has the authority to remove me is the president himself.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Did you talk to Trump at any point?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No. I tried to get a phone call with him. I tried to contact some of his family members that I’m close with. I mean, I’ve been a friend of his for almost 20 years. I’ve been to both inaugurations. I mean, I used to have his personal cell phone. I’d call him. I mean, we’re buddies. He was like a second father to me. Nobody would respond back. So Dan sent that text. I sent a text back, and I said, “You have no authority to remove me, Dan.” And then that was it.

Eric Metaxas and the Anti-Semite Label

TUCKER CARLSON: I notice that a number of members of the commission began attacking you as an anti-Semite.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Mm.

TUCKER CARLSON: Who did that? And what did they say?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Eric Metaxas did that. I think he called me — I don’t remember the names that he called me. Horrible names.

TUCKER CARLSON: But he called you names?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which was so sad to me, because I’m like, you were with me in that hearing. You heard that. I had to vet everything to this. Like, you know, what they’re doing to me is wrong. And you don’t have the courage to stand up for my religious freedom. Just do your job, Eric.

TUCKER CARLSON: And then to call you a bigot, an anti-Semite.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah, yeah. That’s what they do, though, because once they say that stuff.

TUCKER CARLSON: I know, but everyone knows Eric Metaxas. I mean, that’s, like, behavior. And I know that Eric has a lot of personal problems, and I assume that’s what this is about, but it’s still. It’s just one of the most shocking things I’ve ever seen.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: It’s so sad.

TUCKER CARLSON: And he never called you and said, “Hey, Carrie, I’m going to call you an anti-Semite. The views that you have that I believe are anti-Semitic — let’s talk this through.”

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, no.

TUCKER CARLSON: And Dan Patrick didn’t do that either.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No. Nope. They didn’t want to have a dialogue.

TUCKER CARLSON: That is the most disgraceful behavior I can imagine.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, it really is. It really is. Because out of all the people that Trump could have appointed for this position, he appointed me. And at first I felt unqualified, but now I feel I’m one of the most qualified because I am protecting religious freedom, even faiths that I don’t hold firm to. I’m protecting the Jewish rabbi. I’m protecting the Muslim woman on the commission, her religious freedom. And my own, of course.

TUCKER CARLSON: And the Jewish Zionists, by the way.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: And everybody’s.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: You have every right, Doctor.

Identity Politics and the Commission

TUCKER CARLSON: This is a universal principle that applies to every human being. It’s not. And the reintroduction of identity politics by this administration is the single saddest thing. I think everyone voted against it. I think every person who voted for Trump was like — well, not every person, but most people are like, identity politics blows up the country. It destroys any cohesion. You start thinking about everything in terms of my group, and things fall apart. And the left has pushed that for 50 years. And now all of a sudden, you’ve got Paula White and Dan Patrick and Eric Metaxas, of all people, pushing identity politics in a way that’ll totally wreck the country. Come on, now.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I know.

TUCKER CARLSON: And that degrades the Christian message into something unrecognizable and evil.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: That’s what it is.

No Support from Fellow Commission Members

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, I know. So did any member of the commission reach out to you, any of the other 11, to say, “Wow, you’re not a Zionist, therefore you’re an anti-Semite? This is horrible. I’m sorry. We’re on your side.”

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Not one.

TUCKER CARLSON: Are you serious?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Not one. No. In fact, I reached out to a few of them who are friends of mine who I felt I could trust. Kelly Shackelford. I reached out to Cardinal Dolan, Bishop Barron. I reached out to Bishop Cordileone in San Francisco, who’s on the advisory board. And I said, “Hey, I feel like I’m a sheep surrounded by wolves, and I need a shepherd. Can you help?” And a lot of them, I think Tucker, if I’m being honest, are too scared.

TUCKER CARLSON: Did any — I know two of the three. I know Barron, whom I respect, who’s very smart. And I know Dolan, who’s just a politician but very charming. I’ll say Dolan is very charming. Who doesn’t like Dolan? Everyone likes Dolan. But — so I know two of the three. And they didn’t speak up in your defense or in the defense of religious liberty?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, no. Bishop Barron, we were texting a little bit yesterday, and I just said, “I’m going on Tucker. I know you’re friends with Tucker. I would love to know — do you support the commission removing me from my religious freedom? Or where do you stand?” And he wrote me back, and he was very nice. And he agreed with my stance that we as Catholics don’t have to believe in some prophecy fulfillment being fulfilled with 1948 Israel. Like, that’s literally what I said. So I think he — I know he agrees with me. I mean, it’s — most Catholics agree with me.

Christian Faith vs. Political Zionism

TUCKER CARLSON: But to include a political statement in the catechism — which is basically what they’re trying to do — “I have to believe in the modern secular state of Israel or I can’t be a Christian.” Like, that’s a foundational thing. People have been martyred over less than that. Like, no, this is my faith. I’m not going to betray it. And all of a sudden you’re being told that to be a Christian, you have to be a Zionist. You have to be on board with a political program.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah, and I must support a genocide. That’s a requirement, too. And I cannot speak out about it if I see it or hear about it.

Breaking News: Dan Patrick Attacks Carrie at Anti-Semitism Symposium

TUCKER CARLSON: I just got this from our producer. So I just want to interrupt your amazing story, which I find so upsetting. My heart is pounding. This is a note I just got as we speak — meaning right now, as we’re doing this taping, there’s an anti-Semitism symposium happening in D.C. Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, and the rest of the usuals are speaking. Dan Patrick was just on stage attacking Carrie — you. He said she was guilty of two things on the day of the religious liberties hearing.

First, he said any talk of Gaza is a political matter and has nothing to do with religion. He says she was off base mentioning the war. Second, he said it was unacceptable that she went against Seth Dillon when she denied his claim that Candace is anti-Semitic. I want to go through these in just a second. Last line: Dan Patrick bragged that he fired Carrie and he got a round of applause.

Let me just say this is like a description of the end stage of something. This is the end of Christian Zionism. This kind of behavior — we’ll look back on this. Like, every one of these moral panics reaches its full fruition at a certain point where it’s peak crazy. I guess that’s the phrase. And it’s like they’re arresting people for complimenting a woman’s dress — like, that was the kind of peak crazy of Me Too. Black Lives Matter, where people were kissing Black people’s feet or something. It’s like too nuts, right? That’s what this is for Christian Zionism. This is so bonkers that I think it’s over. That’s just my guess.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Okay, shocking.

TUCKER CARLSON: So let me just — “Any talk of Gaza is a political matter.” Let me throw that to you. What’s your response to that?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: “Any talk of Gaza is a political matter.” So why was this hearing — I actually tallied how many times they talked about Israel, October 7th. I had to stop counting. So we were talking about a foreign country, and I look over at Dan and I’m like, “We’re talking about a foreign country. So what is this hearing about? What is the purpose of this hearing?”

I thought it was a hearing on true anti-Semitism in America, but it was hijacked by Dan Patrick and Paula White and whoever denied my four Jewish Americans that weren’t welcome to speak because they’re not Zionists. It was hijacked by those people. So what we’re getting at is if you criticize Israel, you’re done for. They want to destroy you. And if you dare to speak out —

TUCKER CARLSON: — about Gaza, destroy you.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah. They want to kill you. They want to kill you.

TUCKER CARLSON: Got that?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. I’ve had some things — I’ll just say —

TUCKER CARLSON: Does Dan Patrick rush to your defense as Eric Metaxas rushed?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. He’s taking pride in his removal of Carrie.

Separation of Church and State

TUCKER CARLSON: So they’re conflating — I mean, I would be delighted to remove politics entirely from religion. I believe strongly in separation of church and state because I don’t want my faith to be corrupted by political leaders. I don’t want my religion to be political. Jesus didn’t spend any time talking about politics. They wanted him to come and liberate Jerusalem as a political leader. He refused and rode in on a donkey and then allowed himself to be tortured to death. So, like, I’m with him. Let’s take the politics out. But they’re the ones who conflate Christian faith with a political agenda of Bibi Netanyahu.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, yeah. Bibi is basically an atheist, I think. Right. I mean, I don’t think he’s a religious person at all.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, he doesn’t keep to Mosaic Law. We know that. There may be — who knows.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I thought your interview with Mike Huckabee was amazing, by the way. It was very sad, though. Very sad.

TUCKER CARLSON: It was. Yeah. I think he felt that way, too. He’s been attacking me ever since.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

Seth Dillon and the Candace Owen Anti-Semitism Accusation

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, so then to the second point. Dan Patrick said it was unacceptable that you went against Seth Dillon when she denied his claim that Candace is anti-Semitic. Who is Seth Dillon? What is this exchange?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Why are they obsessed? Actually, your name was mentioned at the hearing. I don’t know if you know that.

TUCKER CARLSON: I didn’t know.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, but Seth Dillon is the Babylon Bee guy, so he was speaking on behalf of anti-Semitism. He’s a Christian, but — and I guess I don’t even know what Christianity means anymore. If Christianity is defending a genocide in Gaza, that’s scary.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, that’s not my religion.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And so these people, they call themselves Christians. I don’t believe they are, but Seth Dillon was on stage.

TUCKER CARLSON: You can’t defend the murder of innocents, period. I don’t care who they are. I don’t care what country. I don’t care if they’re Palestinians or Jews. I don’t think any faithful Christian would defend shooting up a rave in southern Israel. That’s disgusting. As a Christian, October 7 — parts of it were disgusting. Gaza is disgusting. I mean, like, it’s a principle that doesn’t change over time. You can’t kill innocents. And if you think you can kill innocents — we’re worshiping different gods.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Thank you. That’s exactly right. We are. I don’t know what Christianity they’re a part of. I honestly don’t.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re getting me so worked up. Sorry. Tucker, dear husband, I’ve had so many interviews in my life, but this one — because I feel like this is foundational.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: It is. It is. It’s a grave injustice.

Seth Dillon, Charlie Kirk, and the Hamptons Meeting

TUCKER CARLSON: So, Seth Dillon of the Babylon Bee — just for context, of course I know Seth Dillon, but I just want to make sure people know who we’re talking about. He runs a comedy site or something, but he has become one of the people who tried to bully Charlie Kirk into kicking me off stage. He’s a political enforcer. And you had an exchange with him. Can you describe it?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, I asked him to his face. I said, “You know, Charlie was being called — since we’re having a hearing on anti-Semitism — Charlie Kirk was being called an anti-Semite.”

TUCKER CARLSON: I know.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And I asked him to his face, Seth Dillon, I said, “Would you condemn that he was being called an anti-Semite?” I mean, Charlie wasn’t an anti-Semite.

TUCKER CARLSON: He was not.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And he got a little uncomfortable.

TUCKER CARLSON: And neither am I. And neither are you.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Neither am I.

TUCKER CARLSON: These are slanders. And Charlie was called an anti-Semite a lot. And I talked to him about it a lot. I know a lot about this topic. I never talk about it, but I know a lot about it because I was at the center of it. Because the debate was, should he cancel me and my speech this December? And he wouldn’t. And one of his last texts we’ve ever seen was about this exact question. And Seth Dillon was one of the thugs trying to force Charlie.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: You know that for a fact?

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, my gosh.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. And so trying to force Charlie to cancel me and other things. It’s not about — I just happened to be the guy that they were very, very focused on. But — so Seth Dillon is asked by you, “Would you condemn the attacks on Charlie Kirk as an anti-Semite?”

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. And he said, “Yeah, Charlie wasn’t an anti-Semite.” I said, “I agree. Thank you for saying that publicly.” And then I asked him about the Hamptons. I said, “We’ll just go there. I mean, we’re already going there, so let’s just go there. So what happened at the Hamptons?”

TUCKER CARLSON: And that was a meeting that Charlie had with, among many others, Seth Dillon. I think Bill Ackman was there. I think he paid for it. I could be wrong here, but I’m no expert. But I remember it very well because Charlie came right to my house after that. So we talked about it.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Wow.

TUCKER CARLSON: And so what did he say?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: He said that Charlie was making statements saying — I’m paraphrasing — but that you can’t criticize Israel. You will be destroyed if you do.

TUCKER CARLSON: By whom? Have any of these people ever read the prophets in what we call the Old Testament? The Jewish prophets? Talk about tough on Israel. Holy smokes. I read some of that stuff, and I’m like, “Give Israel a break.” Isaiah, Jeremiah — pull back a little bit. You’re pretty tough on Israel. Do they ever notice that? I mean, what is going on?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Sorry. Excuse me.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay. So —

The Obsession with the “Anti-Semite” Label

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And then he called — that’s what it was. So he called Candace an anti-Semite. They’re obsessed, Tucker. They’re obsessed with the label. “You’re an anti-Semite.” As soon as they attach that to you, you’re done. They shove you in the box.

TUCKER CARLSON: So when Moses goes up a second time to Mount Sinai and says to God, “Please kill me, these people are too annoying. I can’t deal with it.” Is that anti-Semitism? Like, what are you even talking about?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, yeah, they’re obsessed with it. And so they brought up — I think either I brought up you. Oh, yeah. I’m not sure who brought up you, but I remember saying, “You’re obsessed with calling Candace and Tucker anti-Semites, and it really has to stop. It really has to stop, Seth.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. What did he say?

The Backstage Exchange with Seth Dillon

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: He got very frustrated. He got very uncomfortable. He was squirmish. He was very, very frustrated.

TUCKER CARLSON: He’s not a man at peace.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Very uncomfortable. Yeah. And then after that was over, we actually went backstage and I had a — probably like a 10 minute — while everybody else was on stage still, I went to the bathroom, and then I talked to him, and we had a pretty good exchange. I said, “Are you Jewish?” And he goes, “No, I’m a Christian.” I said, “Oh, my gosh, I thought you were Jewish.” He goes, “No.” I said, “Okay.”

And I said, “Well, thank you for that dialogue out there. I think it’s very important.” I said, “Charlie was being called an anti-Semite, and I wanted to know about the Hamptons meeting. I was told that they were bullying him.”

TUCKER CARLSON: They certainly were bullying him.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. And I said, “Thank you for clarifying that.” But since then, he keeps saying that he wasn’t one of the ones that was bullying Charlie or calling him an anti-Semite. I asked him, “Seth, who was morally blackmailing Charlie? Who was it? Just say the name or the names of the people that were doing that.” Because Charlie was very upset on Megyn Kelly. He said, “They’re morally blackmailing me. They’re calling me an anti-Semite, attacking my character.” Who are these people? I think we have a right to know. Who are these thugs?

Tucker Defends Charlie Kirk’s Memory

TUCKER CARLSON: I talked to him about it many times, and he was very upset about it. And I’ve really tried not to use the memory of a dead friend to make a political point. So a lot of other people have not restrained themselves. And they’re constantly talking about my best friend Charlie, and “he thought this, he thought that.” But I know a lot about this topic, of course, because I was at the center of it, because it was my speech that they were mad about.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: He was protecting your speech.

TUCKER CARLSON: He certainly was, at great risk to himself. Great risk. He lost millions of dollars, as he said, because he refused to cancel me. So, of course I know all that. And I haven’t gone on and on about it because I don’t like calling attention to myself. And I think there’s something ugly about talking about someone who can’t speak up for himself once he’s passed. I just don’t like it because in my culture, that’s not acceptable.

But it’s just a lie. They’re lying. And I know that for a fact because he sat in my living room and told me about it. So stop lying. I can’t deal with it. And he was making me too mad.

So now Dan Patrick is saying that because you wouldn’t denounce Candace as an anti-Semite, you went too far. So that’s now in the Nicene Creed? Is it? What did the Council of Nicaea add this part kind of retroactively, where you have to denounce a podcaster or you can’t be a Christian or serve on a religious — like, what is going on where we’re at?

The Anti-Semite Label as a Weapon

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And you know this well. They want to call you an anti-Semite, and then once they put that on you and shove you in that box —

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, I know.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: They want everybody else to come to the town square and they want to watch you get publicly lynched, and then they want everybody around to denounce you. And if they don’t —

TUCKER CARLSON: — preparatory to you being arrested, because if it’s against the law to have certain views and they claim that you have those views, you’re in violation of the law.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: So, I mean, let’s be real. This is like in Europe and in Canada and Australia and New Zealand — lots of people go to jail for having views that Seth Dillon doesn’t like. Lots of people go to jail, a lot. So it’s not like this hasn’t happened. It’s the law in Europe, it’s the law in Australia, it’s the law in New Zealand, it’s the law in Canada.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: We’re in America.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Well, this is insane.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m just saying lots of people go to prison over this.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: But they’re obsessed with getting — letting everyone else — you’ve experienced this — “Denounce Tucker, distance yourself, call him an anti-Semite, agree with us, or else.”

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m so grateful to be old because I just don’t care. But I do care about the country a lot, and I see where this is going. So they want you to denounce Candace Owens?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, just like they want Megyn Kelly to denounce Candace Owens.

TUCKER CARLSON: Megyn Kelly is like the most moderate person who’s ever lived. Megyn Kelly, who really likes Israel and all, her friends are Jewish. Megyn Kelly — there’s like no world in which Megyn Kelly is an anti-Semite.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I don’t even entertain the idea. I don’t even — I don’t even say, “I’m not an anti-Semite.” I’m so sick of that. I’ve been through this before with the whole gay marriage thing. “You’re a bigot, you’re a homophobe.” Call me whatever you want. I’m just a Christian, okay? And if being a Christian now makes you an anti-Semite, that’s what I have a problem with.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, that’s the whole point.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: That’s the whole point.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s the whole point. Being a sincere Christian, a New Testament believing Christian, makes you an anti-Semite. Therefore, we can’t have Christianity, because that’s the real enemy, of course.

Dan Patrick Fires Carrie — But Does He Have the Authority?

So, okay, you come out and you say, after Dan Patrick fires you — “Hey, Dan Patrick, you can’t fire me because you didn’t appoint me. This is a presidential appointment and the President hasn’t weighed in.” So where are we now on that question?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Good question. So I hadn’t been on X in years, so I got on X after this all happened.

TUCKER CARLSON: Did that improve your life a lot, Carrie?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yes, that’s been interesting. So I’ve been posting, obviously, how sad — I have to defend myself against this insanity. So the other day, it was recently, it was about a week ago, I went on and I was looking for Mary, the designated federal officer. I wanted to look at an old email that I had sent her. So I typed in my mail, “Mary.” Well, all of a sudden, a Mary Sproul popped up. An email from Mary Sproul. And I thought, well, that name sounds familiar. That’s the woman back in August who tried to get me to resign.

I go, “What is she emailing me about?” She sent it on February 12th. The hearing was on the 9th. So just a few days after — I think I sent the “Dan Patrick, you don’t have the authority to remove me” on the 11th. So she sent it the next day, but I hadn’t gotten it. It must have gone to, like, spam or some junk mail. So I never got it. I would have never seen it had I not looked for Mary, the designated federal officer — Mary, Mary Margaret.

So it comes up and it says, “On behalf of the President of the United States, I’m emailing you to let you know that you have been removed from the Religious Liberty Commission, effective immediately. Thank you for your service. Mary Sproul.”

Trump’s Earlier Assurance — and the Confusion That Followed

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s really dark.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: Have you talked to Trump?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, I reached out to —

TUCKER CARLSON: And was there any explanation?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No explanation. So I wrote her back and I said, “Oh, Mary Sproul, you’re the same Mary that tried to get me to step down, resign in August.”

I left out a very important part, Tucker — this is good. At the first hearing, the President was there. Trump was there at the first hearing. Remember, Mary called me to get me to resign, and then I didn’t. Well, I saw the President, and we got to spend some time with him before the hearing. So we were shaking his hand, and he looks at me in the eyes and he goes, “Hey, Carrie.” He goes, “I want you to know something.” He goes, “I took care of it.” And he goes, “You know what I’m talking about, right?”

TUCKER CARLSON: He said that.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: He said that. And I said, “Yes, Mr. President, I know what you’re talking about. Thank you so much.” And he goes, “I know the real you. I know the real you.” And basically, he told them to leave me alone. I thought that was incredible. I mean, he was doing the right thing. How can you kick a religious person off a religious commission? It’s ridiculous.

TUCKER CARLSON: This was in August.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: This was in August. So he had my back. So I thought, “Oh, I’m good, I’m good. He doesn’t support them trying to kick me off.”

So when I got this email a week ago from Mary Sproul, I said, “You tried to remove me in August, and the President vetoed your attempt to remove me. So I don’t really take you seriously.” But maybe — maybe she is a legitimate person, a spokesperson for the President. But I would think that the President would actually send a letter removing me if this was actually his decision.

And I was told from someone very high up in the White House that they spoke to him on the phone, and he was wrestling with this. He’s like, “What do I do? Dan’s saying this, and I really like Carrie.” And so I don’t know. I honestly don’t know.

The Commission Goes Silent

TUCKER CARLSON: Have you heard from the commission since then?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: Have there been more hearings?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: The hearing is coming up next Monday.

TUCKER CARLSON: And you’ve not been invited.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No. And it makes me sad because that’s the hearing on religious freedom and healthcare — all the mothers that don’t want to vaccinate their kids.

TUCKER CARLSON: Has any — to this day, so we’re in the second week of March as we’re taping this — has any member of the commission spoken up in your defense?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Not one.

TUCKER CARLSON: Not one. What about Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I tried to get them to make a public statement about it, but I don’t think they want to be involved.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I don’t think they want to be called an anti-Semite because they’re speaking out for someone who was called an anti-Semite. That’s where we’re at.

Christian Doctrine Cannot Be Defined by Non-Christians

TUCKER CARLSON: But the principle at stake here — and I respect Barron for sure.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I do too.

TUCKER CARLSON: He’s very smart. Actually very smart. But the principle at stake is a doctrinal principle, it would seem to me. And so your core position is that being a Zionist, signing onto the Zionist project, is not a prerequisite for being a Christian. It’s not part of the Nicene Creed, actually. And you were fired for saying this. That’s your real crime. And I would think that any theologian or Christian leader — really, any Christian — would want to just pipe up and say, “Maybe I love Bibi, maybe I love what he’s done in Gaza. But as a point of fact, you don’t need to sign on to a political program in order to be a Christian.”

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. And to serve on a religious liberty commission. Of course. That’s like basic.

TUCKER CARLSON: But no one will say that.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, no. And Bishop Cordileone — I love him and I respect all of them, Cardinal Dolan, Bishop Barron — but no, they don’t want to make a public statement about this.

TUCKER CARLSON: I believe it’s really revealing and sad to see.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: It is sad. It is sad. But I can handle it. I guess I’m a 38-year-old mom.

TUCKER CARLSON: But you can’t allow non-Christians to determine what Christian doctrine is.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Right. Exactly.

TUCKER CARLSON: Which is what happened during Vatican II. In point of fact, I say that as a non-Catholic, I shouldn’t even get involved. But that’s literally what happened. Non-Christians, like, “Oh, you’re not allowed to believe that.” So they changed Christian doctrine. And I just think that is —

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Well, it’s dangerous. It’s very dangerous.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, yeah. You’re supposed to be trying to emulate Jesus, who paid with his life for disagreeing with temporal authorities. And you’re supposed to be representing Jesus’s word on earth. So, yeah, the stakes are really high.

Faith, Persecution, and Standing Firm

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: So why not just come out and say she has every right to stand up for her religious beliefs and she shouldn’t be removed. Just say that she shouldn’t be removed for her religious convictions. Shouldn’t every commissioner believe that? If they’re actually doing their job, why am I the only one doing my actual job, which was to protect religious freedom for all religions?

It’s very disappointing. And I think a lot of these commissioners are on this to have access, because, let’s be honest, you feel cool being invited places — the fancy invites. “Oh, I’m going to the White House.” But I’ve said over and over again, I would rather die. I would rather die than deny my faith. And I’m standing up for my faith by doing this because I will not submit to a country that is committing genocide in Gaza, full stop. That is the fact. And they want me to deny my eyes and deny what I’ve seen and what I know in my heart as a Christian. I cannot. I cannot do that. I would rather die.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, that’s one of the most disappointing stories I’ve ever heard. And it hits me especially hard again, because I know most of the people involved and like a bunch of them. So that’s really, really sad. Tell us about the reaction to this hearing outside of the Religious Liberty Commission. Like, how have other people responded to this? Is anyone on your side?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Amazing.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: It’s been amazing. So Catholics for Catholics — do you know John? The president of Catholics For — he actually helped Trump get the Catholic vote in 2024. They’ve done amazing for the Catholic, for politics in general. And so they came out right away, and it was beautiful, Tucker. And they said, “We are inviting Carrie to Washington, D.C. and we’re giving her the Catholic Champion Award.”

Attacks on Her Faith and Conversion

TUCKER CARLSON: One of the attacks on you, and I think I saw it from people on the commission, is you’re not really a Catholic because you just converted to Catholicism. So, like, how dare you speak for Catholics? Seems like a pretty low thing to say about someone.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Very, very, very low.

TUCKER CARLSON: And I’m not misremembering that.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: No, that’s exactly right. They’re questioning how long I’ve been a Catholic. But what’s crazy, Tucker, is that I left — I used to be a Zionist. I used to be a dispensational Christian for my entire life.

TUCKER CARLSON: Really?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah. Yeah. I went to the evangelical Paula White type of churches my entire life.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, wow.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And I started studying about dispensationalism. And I was thinking, wait a second, how can they just interpret scripture however they want, twist it, manipulate it and say, “Those who bless Israel will be blessed” — those who bless Bibi will be blessed. And if you don’t bless Bibi, you’re going to be cursed, according to Lindsey Graham. I started thinking, this is insane.

So I started studying the early Church Fathers and I started studying what they taught. And it led me to the Catholic Church — literally, like learning about dispensationalism led me to the early Church Fathers. And then I became Catholic.

And so I’m not an idiot. I know what the Catholic Church teaches. We are the new Israel. That’s what the Church teaches. We are the fulfillment of the old Israel. I mean, look at Jesus — he fulfilled it all on the cross when he said, “It is finished.” The old was completely done. There is the new covenant now. Those who are in Christ, that is the new people of God. It is very clear. This isn’t even debatable. I don’t even know why we’re having this debate, which is why Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan should be like, “Yeah, it’s what we believe. We are the new Israel. The land means nothing anymore.” Yes, it’s the Holy Land, but that’s not some biblical —

What’s scary, Tucker, is these people like Paula White and Ted Cruz and Dan Patrick — they believe that the Dome of the Rock will be torn down and they will rebuild that third temple. They’re saying it now. Look at Pete Hegseth — there will be a rebuilding of this temple. It is heretical and it is anti-Christian. I know that because they’re going to bring in the animal sacrifices again. And the most anti-Semitic thing that they believe is that two-thirds of the Jews are going to be slaughtered. That’s what these people believe. They’re just manipulating them and using them. They don’t really care.

Jesus as the Temple and the Final Sacrifice

TUCKER CARLSON: Everything you’ve said is true. I mean, Jesus describes himself as the temple.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yes. He is the temple.

TUCKER CARLSON: He says that he is the lamb —

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: — that was slain, the final sacrifice.

TUCKER CARLSON: So, yeah, I’m a little confused. Okay, so I understand that there are people who believe in the theology that you just described right there. I think it’s wrong. I don’t think it makes internal sense. I don’t think it’s Christian. But I think there are a lot of really decent people who believe it. I know some really decent people — for sure — that I agree with on a lot of other issues. But they sincerely believe it.

The Catholic Church does not. The Catholic Church’s doctrine is not something you have to guess about. You can look it up online. It’s been pretty consistent for a couple thousand years. So why in the world would Catholic leaders who don’t believe this — why wouldn’t they just say, “We don’t believe this as Catholics?” Because, again, you can check it online if you want. I’m totally confused. How are they controlled?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I think that they don’t want to face what you faced and what Candace has faced and what Megan has faced and what I faced and Marjorie Taylor — it’s, “Shut up, you hateful bigot, and we’re going to destroy you.” They don’t want that, really, because we’re —

TUCKER CARLSON: — promised that by Jesus in the New Testament.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Take up your cross. 100%.

The Anglican Bishop in Jordan

TUCKER CARLSON: I was interviewing this amazingly Anglican bishop in Jordan last month, and I’m Anglican, so it’s just amazing to find, like, a truly Christian Anglican.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, it’s wonderful.

TUCKER CARLSON: It was the best thing I did all year. But so I interviewed this man, and we’re talking off camera, and I said, “How often do you get spit on in Jerusalem?” Like, every day, Orthodox Jews spit on me or spit at me or urinate on my church or whatever. And I’m like, how can you deal with that? If someone spit on me, I don’t know what I would do because I’m not a great Christian and I’m having all these fantasies about what I would do if someone spit on me. I would not respond well.

And he said, “Oh, no, I feel blessed. Jesus was spit on in Jerusalem.” And I thought, wow, that’s the Christianity I believe in right there. That is right. Accept the persecution that you’re promised. You are promised persecution. It’s not ambiguous. You’re not promised lots of money — sorry, Paula White. You are promised persecution by the world that hates you, because the world hates Jesus.

I was so inspired by that. Made me teary hearing someone say it, because he meant it. This was off camera, having a cup of coffee. And so considering that is the faith, I don’t really get Christian leaders who are like, “Oh, I don’t want to deal with the blowback” — what Jesus himself is promising you, like, what happened to him, which is being tortured to death.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I know.

TUCKER CARLSON: “And I don’t want to be criticized on Twitter.”

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, look at the disciples.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think they — to the extent we know — I think they were all but one murdered.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: One, maybe.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: So anyway, so sad. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: And murdered very viciously.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, my gosh.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Horrifically. And so we now have leaders that don’t want to even suffer any discomfort at all, Tucker. They don’t want to be name-called because that would hurt them too much. It would hurt their feelings. So they’re going to hide behind a 38-year-old mom and whisper, “Keep going. I’m praying for you.”

Hiding Behind the Mom

TUCKER CARLSON: Do people have said that?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah. I mean, my priest — I had several priests that I’ve spoken to. I’ve asked, “Can you make a public statement?” “Oh, I don’t make public statements. I get people to heaven.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay. Now —

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Okay, that’s okay. So hide behind the mom and I’ll take the bullets. I’ll take the bullets while the shepherds are running for the hillside. Must be nice. It’s not nice, but no judgment on them. No judgment.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, cowardice is its own punishment. Your wife’s never going to respect you ever again. You can’t respect yourself. I think your wife’s attracted to you and you’re a coward — I don’t think so.

The Catholic Champion Award and the Blowback

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: I know, but I will say, to answer your question, I’ve had incredible men — Catholic men, outspoken men — stand up for me and several priests. I will say, there have been priests. I have one that’s coming to the event next week in D.C., the gala. And I’m sorry I got emotional, but I’m like, if it wasn’t — I mean, could you imagine going through all this? And then they come out and they say, “Not only are we going to honor you and invite you to this, but we’re going to give you this award. You’re going to get the Catholic Champion Award. You’re a champion, Carrie.” I’m thinking, “Oh, my gosh, thank you. Thank you for this.”

And since then, they’ve had tremendous blowback. People pulling out. “Oh, I can’t believe you’d have that anti-Semite.” I mean, this is where we’re at. Because I asked this — really?

TUCKER CARLSON: They had people pull out?

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Oh, yeah, yeah. They’ve had people attack them. “Oh, I can’t believe you would have Carrie and — well, Candace will be there too. You can’t have Carrie and Candace. That’s like two anti-Semites in one room. We can only have one, I guess.” I don’t know. So, yeah, it’s very unfortunate. It’s the public lynching and then making everyone around watching say, “Yeah, they’re an anti-Semite,” and I’m going to distance myself from them because I don’t want to be labeled an anti-Semite.

Closing Thoughts

TUCKER CARLSON: This will all be over soon. We’ve reached peak crazy. I felt like that hearing — the response to you was that, you know, that’s as bad as it’s going to get without pushback. I think you really woke people up.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Well, they’re desperate, though, which is scary.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, I know.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Because they will try to do everything to destroy you.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’ve heard that.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Yeah, you know it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Carrie, thank you for doing this. I really appreciate that. That was an amazing story.

CARRIE PREJEAN BOLLER: Thank you, Tucker. Appreciate you having me.

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