Megyn Kelly Show: w/ Tucker Carlson on Epstein, Iran, America’s Gender Divide (Transcript)

This is my own piece of evidence that he wasn’t shamed at all. A friend of mine and her friend, at the time — this is 1999 — were in a bar, and Bill Clinton was there. Would you look at this picture? Can you see this?

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

MEGYN KELLY: He is looking down the chest of my friend Meg Florence, and that’s my other friend in the foreground, Abby Rittman. He’s basically got his hand on her side boob. And here’s the crazy thing — you probably know this place. Where was this?

TUCKER CARLSON: The Bombay Club in DC.

MEGYN KELLY: Yep. 1999. He was there with his wife and daughter and went over to their table. They were there with a bunch of guys too. Introduced himself. Before you know it, he wanted pictures. And look at it. He’s like in the middle of the restaurant looking down my one friend’s blouse with his other hand creepily high on the side of Abby Rittman. They were like twenty. They were just graduating college.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yep.

MEGYN KELLY: He was still president. It was 1999. I’m not saying this is a crime. I’m just saying he was not chastised at all as a result of Lewinsky.

TUCKER CARLSON: Not chastised, but instead controlled. And so, obviously, Clinton’s creepy. I know people who’ve slept with Clinton. Everyone knows people who’ve slept with Clinton. That’s who he is. That is his fundamental weakness, and it’s the means by which he is controlled by others. And that’s kind of the story.

I mean, we know that his phone sex with Monica Lewinsky on Air Force One was taped by a foreign government and used as blackmail against him during bilateral negotiations. And so to what extent was Epstein a part of that? It’s a problem for the United States. He’s got problems, and he’ll have to answer for them someday. It’s already wrecked his marriage and his life.

Imagine being Bill Clinton. Again, not a happy thing. So he’s paying a price, but what about the rest of us who watched our foreign policy hijacked by others using his sexual compulsion as the means of control? That’s the question. Those are the questions that I’m fascinated by.

Like, how did Epstein short the global financial crisis? How did he know Gaddafi was about to be killed? What’s his secret 9/11 commission that he was recruiting people to join? What is all of this, and to what extent do American voters actually control their own country?

I mean, those are pressing modern day issues. We know that most men are creepy. Some men are super creepy — Bill Clinton, for example. But it’s their creepiness being used against them — for what end? That’s the question I’m mesmerized by. Maybe because I’m a man, and I just look at Bill Clinton and I’m like, yeah, I knew he was like that. I know other people like that. We all do. But when you have leaders like that, what does it mean for us?

Bill Gates and the Epstein Files

MEGYN KELLY: Yeah. You look at Bill Gates today, right? Admitting in this town hall before his staff that, “Yes, Jeffrey Epstein and I went many, many places together. It was only ever dinner, but I did see him here and there.” It was like five countries that they spent time together in. And then he admitted to having two affairs with two Russian — my word, not his — women, he said, while he was married to Melinda. So he’s copping to two affairs. I’m sure it’s much like, you know, the alcoholic who gets asked by the doctor how many drinks do you have per night. Copped to two. Okay.

But we saw in the Epstein files that draft email Epstein sent to himself, and it seemed to read like a blackmail note that he was writing on behalf of a Bill Gates staffer — basically saying, “Do you want me to tell Melinda that you gave her an STD and you asked me to get antibiotics that you could slip into her drink without her knowing?”

Now Gates is denying that, but it does give you a feel — if it’s true — for possibly how Epstein operated and how this blackmail material could work if in his hands.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course. Because what do we know about every man? Sex is a huge driver of male behavior. It’s the great temptation for most men, and almost every married man fears above all disappointing and angering his wife.

So if you want to take the world’s richest and most powerful men and control them, this is the fastest way to do it. The sex drive short circuits the male brain. And if you have dinner with just men, they’ll joke about it. And every woman knows this also. Everyone knows this.

And so, of course, that’s what this is. It lowers your defenses. It creates camaraderie between people who know the secret, and it weakens you. And so by definition, we’re looking at a blackmail operation. The question is to what end and on whose behalf.

And I don’t think it’s really clear. I mean, the picture that I see emerging is not of one country — Israel or the UK or France or some other country — trying to control us. They were all involved. But I see people who do not represent countries but represent themselves in loose alliance with each other. I see the most powerful people in the world making the biggest decisions on behalf of the United States without the input of American voters or even really the consent of American politicians.

And that’s the most interesting thing to me. It’s like, who runs the world, actually? And you don’t get the answer from the Epstein files so far, but you get tantalizing hints. And again, it’s not voters. It’s not even presidents. You think Bill Clinton is in control at this point? Of course not. That’s the amazing thing to me.

Hillary Clinton, Gaddafi, and Foreign Policy

MEGYN KELLY: Rounding back — who did Hillary Clinton kill?

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, she killed Gaddafi. I mean, let’s just start there. Muammar Gaddafi. And as noted, Jeffrey Epstein knew that was coming and was discussing in this now famous email exchange, “How do we profit from the collapse of Libya?”

And the collapse of Libya, which all the rest of us — including me — sort of ignored. Barack Obama was out there: “We just want to return Libya to its people. They yearn to be free.” This was after Gaddafi was cooperating with the US government, by the way. He was an intel asset for the US government, and he was doing what we told him to do. And Hillary Clinton, acting on behalf of obviously others, helped kill him. What was that, and why?

MEGYN KELLY: And when you say others, do you mean Israel?

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t necessarily mean Israel. No, I don’t know that. But she was — well, “others” literally, because she was Secretary of State serving the president, Barack Obama. But whose interests were served by taking this country run by a kind of crazy person — Gaddafi — I’m not defending Gaddafi, right?

The Epstein Files: Power, Chaos, and the Real Villains

TUCKER CARLSON: But it was still a coherent country with borders and a military and some systems that kind of were recognizable to a wasteland, a chaotic wasteland with open slavery. Like, why would you want that? Who benefited from that? That’s a big deal. And I think because we’re so far away, we don’t see that.

But taking a country, this is relevant now on the eve of regime change in Iran, what does it mean to just, like, eliminate a government and leave chaos behind? Well, it means millions of people will suffer and die, but it also means that some benefit from that. And that strikes me as the most wicked thing you could do. Literally, the most wicked thing you could do.

If you are seeking to profit from either in terms of money or power, the death and suffering of millions of people, you are, by definition, evil, more evil than the average person can even understand.

And yet we know from the Epstein files, we know from watching America right now that there are people who think that way. And they’re the threat, and it’s not like, we focus our attention on people. Oh, you’re bad. You know, Bill Clinton’s looking at her boobs. I agree. Bad. Totally bad. Recognizably bad. But people who want to profit from the murder and suffering of millions of their fellow human beings, like, that’s the highest — I think we can say that’s the highest level of bad, I think.

Epstein: Witch Hunt or Deeper Conspiracy?

MEGYN KELLY: Well, that’s one of the things I wanted to ask you about the Epstein files. Because it feels a little Me Too-ish, a little Salem-y. Right? Like, and he’s guilty, and his name is mentioned, and therefore he must be a —

TUCKER CARLSON: Totally agree.

MEGYN KELLY: Right? So that guy’s got to be a pedophile too. And it’s like — I don’t know. It feels a little uncomfortable just to have anybody who is an acquaintance of Jeffrey Epstein made into Jeffrey Epstein.

TUCKER CARLSON: Dude, I am with you a hundred percent.

MEGYN KELLY: Right? But so when you zoom out, like, thirty thousand feet, is that where the story is for you? Not really exactly about the men who were dogs. It’s about how he used them, and he used his Russian mail order brides to compromise them in order to, what, get information, in order to build his fortune, in order to help governments with whom he was friendly? Like, how do you see it? The overall sort of headline about this story.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, let me just say it to your first really wise and humane point. I totally agree with that. And I just want to be totally blunt and say, I was invited to dinner at Epstein’s house years ago. Not that long before he got — I mean, I knew someone who knew someone. He said, “You should come to dinner at Epstein’s house. Ehud Barak is there,” because he was living there, the former prime minister of Israel. And I was like, well, that sounds interesting.

MEGYN KELLY: You didn’t —

TUCKER CARLSON: Probably would — I know, honestly, I was telling my wife this. I don’t remember why I didn’t go. I literally have no memory, but it didn’t seem crazy because I’ve interviewed all kinds of bad people. And just because someone is a horrible person doesn’t mean that I won’t talk to them, obviously. I just want to learn. That’s my job. So I didn’t go. But if I had gone, I would have spent the last six months trying to explain that I’m not a pedophile.

So I agree. And I also don’t like witch hunts in general because they give the worst people in the world an excuse to tell you how great they are. I’m not him, and this is like the famous scene in the New Testament where the guy’s praying, and he’s like, “Thank you, God. I’m not as bad as the guy next to me.” And that’s like true soul corruption, so we should never be self-righteous. We want to be righteous, but not self-righteous. So I totally agree.

Epstein: A Tool, Not a Mastermind

TUCKER CARLSON: As for Epstein, Epstein’s an idiot. Okay? That’s the — if you read the Epstein emails cold, what’s the first thing you notice? The guy’s illiterate. He’s a badly educated guy from Staten Island. He can’t spell, and he can’t really articulate what he’s saying. And his intelligence is purely feral. He’s intelligent like a dog is intelligent when the dog reads your fear or hate or whatever. The dog can smell you. The dog can’t, strictly speaking, understand you.

That’s Epstein’s variety of intelligence, but he’s hardly a genius. He’s hardly like some evil brilliant puppet master. He himself is a tool of what? Where did his money come from? No one has answered that question. How did he get all this money? Doing accounting services for Leon Black and Les Wexner? Come on now. I’ve got an accountant. I’m not paying him like that. That’s just stupid.

So what is the answer? What was he being paid to do? He was an employee, not a boss. That’s very obvious. He was a connector, but he’s acting on behalf of others. Who?

And my concern — well, now my certainty — is that the wrong people will be punished, as they always are. And I watched this with Harvey Weinstein. I worked for Harvey Weinstein briefly, so I knew Harvey Weinstein was a pig. Obviously, he smoked in the elevator. The guy’s a pig. He didn’t care about other people’s opinions or feelings. I knew that. I remember it really well. So I wasn’t surprised.

But I also knew, having worked in television for like thirty years, that some of the worst people never went down. And some of the people who did go down were bad, but they weren’t even in the same realm as the people who didn’t go down. So there is a sense in which these stories, these witch hunts, are a cover for the truly guilty. And as someone who cares about justice, that drives me kind of insane.

We should be making an effort to get to the root of it. It would be the same as if we executed every drug dealer standing on the corner in Flatbush, but we never made any effort to find out where they got the fentanyl they were selling. You’d be like, I’m not against executing drug dealers, I guess, but where are the suppliers?

Harvey Weinstein: Doug Saw It Coming

MEGYN KELLY: Well, I give you more credit than I deserve myself when it comes to Harvey, because Doug and I met him years ago at one of the — it was like a Met Gala or something like that. He was so nice. He was so charming. He loved Doug, and he wound up offering Doug, my husband, a job writing for his movie studio. He knew Doug was an author. And I’m like, “Doug, that’s so cool. You should totally do that.” And he was like, “Meg, he’s a bad guy.” I’m like, “What do you mean? He seems so nice. He’s so super, super successful.” And he was like, “Honey, it’s a no. Hard no. I do not want to have any association with Harvey Weinstein.” He foresaw it all, Tucker.

TUCKER CARLSON: He has very good radar.

MEGYN KELLY: He does. That’s why he’s a great writer, because he has those instincts.

TUCKER CARLSON: I love that. He’s totally right.

MEGYN KELLY: Yes. But I’m not sure — I think journalists are more like the Saint Bernards who are just, like, running over to everybody.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. You’re interested too. Yeah. Exactly. Well, that’s right. If your driving motive is curiosity — and if you’re in this business, I hope that’s what your driving motive is, and many motives, but that’s one of them — then you’re always going to wind up talking to people who are not the people you’d make godparents of your children. Like, you’re just always going to.

I’ve met Kim Jong-un, and I’ve met all kinds of bad people. I don’t endorse their programs, but I do want to know more about them. That seems like what we’re paid to do. That doesn’t mean — just because they’re bad doesn’t mean they’re uninteresting. To the contrary, it usually means they are fairly interesting.

MEGYN KELLY: Exactly. It’s only recently that we’ve gotten to the “you’re not allowed to talk to that person.” I mean, the world crumbled around me when I interviewed Alex Jones on NBC. All these other people had interviewed him. I was like, “Wait, why is it so bad for me?” And I’m like, need I remind you that 60 Minutes interviewed the Grand Wizard of the KKK — in his hat. He was wearing his hat.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s pretty funny.

MEGYN KELLY: We used to do that. Diane Sawyer interviewed Jeffrey Dahmer. I’m like, I don’t think Alex Jones has eaten anybody. Calm down. It’s just only recently have we gone absolutely nuts with, like, you’re just not allowed to speak with him.

The Men’s Hockey Team Controversy

MEGYN KELLY: Alright. Speaking of absolutely nuts, before we get to Iran, can I ask you about the fallout for the men’s hockey team? It is ridiculous what these sports journalists are doing to this whole story. They keep pumping it every time they get one of the women’s team members in front of them. They’re like, “What about the terrible men and Trump who made a sexist joke?” And the guys laughed — without pointing out that those guys were like, “Yeah, bring them. Absolutely.” Two for two. Right? And Trump made a joke. It was a joke.

In any event, it’s the sports writers who continue to push this, but also there are now some of the women’s team taking the bait. Here is the women’s hockey captain, Hillary Knight, who does not seem to be a big Trump fan. Let’s see. She’s getting lots of snaps for this one, Tucker.

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HILLARY KNIGHT: No. I just thought the joke was distasteful and unfortunate. And I think, just the way women are represented, it’s a great teaching point to really shine light on how women should be championed for their amazing feats. And now I have to sort of sit — and anybody has to sit in front of you and explain someone else’s behavior. It’s not my responsibility. So what is is shifting the focus and shifting the narrative of this amazing accomplishment that we all did together. And granted, the men’s and the women’s team did it together, and that is super special. It’s never been done in our program’s history. It’s something we’re extremely proud about.

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MEGYN KELLY: Your thoughts?

Dividing the Country Through Sports

TUCKER CARLSON: I feel sorry for that girl being used to divide the country, and that’s obviously what this is, and that’s what sports journalism really is. If you want to weaken a country, you divide it against itself. You weaken the people, you weaken their pride in their nation, in themselves, in their ancestors, of course, in the virtues. And sports is the fastest way to the heart of, like, a plurality of American men.

And so if you politicize games and use the spectacle in order to force-feed the audience propaganda about how their country’s culture is bad, their ancestors were bad, their skin color is bad, they’re bad, and they have to be ashamed of themselves and their testosterone, then you’ve done a lot to weaken the country so you can dominate and control it.

It’s the long game. It’s been going on a long time. We spend a lot of time talking about the effect of education on our children, and all of a sudden they have these views. You’re like, “Where did you get that?” And it’s a process of brainwashing people over generations. We spend very little time acknowledging the very same thing has happened with professional sports, the coverage of professional sports.

And there are a million ways that you can see this, but the hatred of men’s hockey tells you everything. It’s like the last holdout. Men’s hockey is, like, overwhelmingly white, from rural cold places. They’re not obedient. They don’t live near some urban center. They haven’t been fully brainwashed. There’s a kind of weird freedom there. By the way, they fight. They throw off their gloves and fight.

MEGYN KELLY: Yep.

TUCKER CARLSON: And of course they’re patriotic. They’re from, like, rural Minnesota, not the Twin Cities. They’re from Maine. They’re from the best parts of Canada, which are still great. And they’re from Scandinavia and Russia, and those people are a massive threat. Their spirit is a threat to the country, and so we have to bring them down.

And what is all of this? If you are governing your country in a way that the population hates, if you’re doing things the population doesn’t want, at a certain point you fear that they’re going to take back control of their country, maybe even physically. And so you have to make sure that the country is weak, riven by division and self-doubt, that the sexes hate each other, that the people who could rise up against you are incapacitated by obesity and marijuana and all kinds of other drugs. Like, you really have to work hard to make sure you neutralize that threat.

And I think it’s very obvious now. I felt this for a long time, but now we’re at a place where almost nothing the federal government does is what the public wants. The disconnect between what they say they’re going to do, what they actually do, what people want, and what the government spends their money trying to affect — it’s just too wide. It’s pre-revolutionary at this point.

And so then you sort of look back, and you’re like, “Oh, maybe that’s why there was a concerted effort to make men, young men, weak, disorganized, and self-hating.” And maybe the fastest way to do that would be getting people to show disrespect to the national flag during football games. Like, maybe that wasn’t accidental — because it wasn’t, honestly.

MEGYN KELLY: They — I said on the air after — I don’t know, it was Monday or Tuesday — that it was bound to happen, this turn on these guys. It’s really not about the Trump phone call or Cash Patel being in the locker room.

The Gender Divide and the Hockey Controversy

MEGYN KELLY: It’s about the fact that they’re white men who are unapologetically patriotic and aggressive, full of testosterone. Like you said, they fight. They go out on the ice. They’re unapologetically bold in their testosterone, which is a massive turnoff to a certain sector of the country, especially these far left women. And no sooner had I said it than later that day, this hit.

It’s just one video. But, man, she calls it out outright. Watch, look at this woman.

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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I do love that we all love heated rivalry. I do think it did a little bit of damage because I think that we all kind of, maybe collectively forgot that hockey is one of the most, if not the most conservative sports with the most conservative fan base.

Like, this isn’t anything new. I would say it’s comparable to golf or lacrosse, but here’s the thing. Okay. Hockey, I don’t know if you guys have seen the USA national team. Everybody’s white.

Everybody on the team is white. Everybody affiliated with the team is white. All the coaches are white. Like, there is not a lot of people of color in that space. And a huge draw to hockey is it’s violent.

Like, you are encouraged to be violent. The fans love to watch the violence. The players love to enact violence. Like, what type of ideology do you think a white man that comes from insane amounts of wealth for his entire life, that has these violent tendencies? What type of ideology do you think that they lean towards?

Like, obviously, they were on the phone with Trump making fun of the women’s team because that’s what violent, rich, white men do. Like, that’s what their favorite thing to do is to make fun of women and shit on women that are doing the same thing, if not better than they are. And they were all creaming in their f*ing pants because they’re on the phone with their dad. Like, I don’t know. I appreciate her saying it out loud.

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The Breakdown Between Young Men and Women

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. It’s so sad. You look at that girl with tattoos on her hands and the “I hate myself” haircut, and you just see such a tragically broken person. But you also see in miniature the state of the country.

The breakdown of relations between young men and young women is the worst thing that has ever happened to the United States — worse than any war we’ve ever had. It’s the worst thing, and its products, its effects are low birth rate. People are not coming together and having children. Marriage rate in full collapse, and the radicalization of both young men and young women.

The young men are becoming terrifyingly right wing. I agree with them basically, but still, they’re very, very intensely politically aware. I meet them all the time in airports. They’re calling for an ethnostate. They’re mad.

And the women are their polar opposite. They are like the young woman you just showed. They’re angry, but in reverse. They’ve embraced the most nihilistic, atheistic left wing politics imaginable, and they’re pro violence. They’re the ones who cheered Charlie Kirk’s murder.

The building block of civilization is young man, young woman come together, form an enduring lifelong alliance with each other, out of which flows the next generation of your citizens. That’s the whole thing. Marriage is the whole thing. It’s not just some social issue. No. That is civilization. And when that breaks down, so does your civilization. And it’s, boy, it’s just the saddest thing I can imagine.

MEGYN KELLY: Yeah. I mean, there’s an unhealthy dose of crazy there. It used to be that, like, back when I went to school, if you had Jack Hughes — the hero, one of them, of the men’s hockey team — all over your TV screen with the American flag draped around him, now missing three teeth, smiling, and talking about how much he loved America, virtually every young girl in America would fall in love with him. I mean, he’s a good looking kid too. Virtually every eighteen to twenty-four year old girl would be saying, “Is he single? How do I meet Jack Hughes?”

Only today do we have probably a majority of these crazy loons being like, “I hate him. I hate his white skin. I hate his hockey affiliation.” And lying that he and the others come from some massively wealthy background. Jack’s parents are all into hockey. The whole family’s into the hockey business. They’re not making huge tons of dough. The mom’s like a consultant to the women’s hockey team. The dad worked at a university for a time.

TUCKER CARLSON: My dad worked at a university. We were not rich. Trust me.

MEGYN KELLY: It’s a lie. Most of them tend to be working class heroes. But you wonder if it’s about hockey. I mean, if you were to ask that young woman — I hope you can interview her maybe — does she know what hockey is? Like, I don’t think she’s a fan. How many touchdowns in hockey till you win? She doesn’t know. She doesn’t know anything about it. She’s not mad at hockey.

She’s mad at her dad, and she’s mad at the boys she had failed relationships with. And she’s mad at society because it’s made it impossible for her to do the thing that every person deep down wants more than anything, which is to procreate and to love your own children. And she kind of knows that’s not going to happen for her. A lot of young people know that, and they’re really distressed by it. And why wouldn’t they be?

So if you fix that — by the way, have you ever met a happily married woman in your life who has those politics? I’ve never met one. I mean, maybe there are. I just don’t think they exist.

TUCKER CARLSON: No.

MEGYN KELLY: No. I mean, honestly, if you have a positive relationship with your dad, you’ll wind up picking a positive relationship in a marriage.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly.

MEGYN KELLY: You will pick a guy who will treat you respectfully, love you, and have a great healthy life in every way. And then you won’t run around hating men. Your interactions with men are positive.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly. You’ll raise strong boys. All of it is self-fulfilling.

The Women’s Team, Trump, and Flavor Flav

MEGYN KELLY: But meanwhile, now we have this. The women decline to go to Washington for the State of the Union. They had good reasons for that that were stated, but now we’re starting to see some of these women come out in these interviews, baited by the press, owning the fact that they clearly don’t like Trump. But no one’s shocked. They’re in the right demo to hate Trump.

It seems like the sort of overwhelming patriotism of the men’s team didn’t necessarily translate over to the women’s team, though that may be unfair. They may be patriotic. They may just hate Trump. But they are starting to say negative things about Trump. It’s like, okay. Now is not the time. Just say, “Oh, it was a joke. Lighten up.” That’s all you should say.

Because by participating in what the press is doing, they’re also crapping on their own moment, and they’re crapping on the guys’ moment. And the guys were in there defending them. The guys didn’t come up with that joke, and the joke was so mild. Hockey players are tougher than this. They’re just pretending not to be.

But now you have the team apparently getting ready to go out to Vegas to party with Flavor Flav, who, as it turns out, is not a paragon of virtue when it comes to his relations with women. His criminal record suggests strongly he really enjoys beating them. So I’m just not sure that the guy with the slightly off-color joke in the locker room is less preferable than Flavor Flav, who likes to punch women in the face.

But here is Team USA’s Alex Carpenter on Wednesday after a game she just played.

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MEGYN KELLY: Are you planning to go to Vegas and hang out with Flavor Flav? What was that invitation like to receive?

ALEX CARPENTER: Yeah. I’ve been messaging him a little bit here. He’s probably my most texted person right now. But yeah, I think it was definitely super special, you know, after everything that’s been going around online, to be able to have someone step up like that and really go to bat for us. And I think, obviously, finish our seasons up here, and then I think we’re fully going to take advantage of that and go have some fun and celebrate like we deserve to.

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MEGYN KELLY: Amen. Just FYI, Tucker. 2021, Flav arrested for misdemeanor domestic battery, later dismissed after he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of misdemeanor coercion. Via People magazine, he allegedly grabbed a woman, poked his finger in her nose and face, grabbed her, and threw her to the ground, and allegedly grabbed a phone out of her hand.

2012, arrested for felony assault with a deadly weapon and misdemeanor domestic violence for allegedly chasing and threatening his fiancée’s seventeen-year-old son with a knife. In 2014, pleaded guilty to reduced charges of misdemeanor attempted battery. 1993, served ninety days in prison for shooting at a neighbor — fired an unlicensed handgun at a neighbor in front of the neighbor’s home. 1991, served thirty days in jail after pleading guilty to assaulting his girlfriend. We could go on.

I’m just thinking, the mild joke in the locker room versus this. You know, it’s an individual choice, I guess.

Flavor Flav and the Bigger Picture

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. I mean, I don’t want to be too blunt, but I don’t think Flavor Flav is making these decisions. He’s the Epstein of this scenario here. I mean, this is, of course, an op — obviously — to divide the country, men from women, to weaken. This is the story of the entire country for the last sixty years, at least.

So, yeah, Flavor Flav. And these poor girls, I don’t think they have any idea. They’re pawns too. Everyone you’re watching on television is just another creature crawling around the ant farm, totally unaware that they’re pawns in the hands of others toward a greater purpose. And the greater purpose is to divide the country from within so it can be controlled. Obvious. It’s so obvious to me.

And I only understood this when I spent more time abroad and watched the way things work in other countries where they’re less sophisticated and they don’t have a media infrastructure that’s as good at lying as ours. Things are way more out in the open because human nature doesn’t change country to country. People are just fundamentally the same because they’re all created by God. And you see this in every country around the world — divide the population so you can control it.

And then you come back to this country like, “Oh, that’s what’s going on.” No wonder we’re telling people to be fat, that it’s beautiful to have type two diabetes or whatever, because you’re trying to weaken them, of course.

Who Benefits? The Biggest Shareholders

MEGYN KELLY: But who is doing it?

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, I think the most powerful people in the world, obviously, are the richest. So the biggest companies have the greatest incentive to take control. They’re the biggest shareholders. If you think of the United States, or the west, or the world itself as a company — which is not a crazy way to think of it — a publicly traded company. As in any publicly traded company, the people with the biggest say are the biggest shareholders. So if you own the most stock, you have the most votes. I think of it that way.

So COVID, for example — who won during COVID? Well, the biggest companies. Amazon won. The big box retailers, where for some reason it was impossible to transmit COVID indoors, but only in a big box retailer. But in a mom and pop store, it was incredibly dangerous. Like, what’s that? And they became stronger, more powerful.

The online retailers became the strongest and the most powerful, but more powerful even than they were the digital media companies — Amazon, Facebook, etcetera. They became the most powerful because that’s the only way people could communicate. And they were simultaneously the same people enforcing the COVID restrictions that they benefited from.

I’m only bringing up COVID because it was the most obvious example of this. So if you break apart families and you destroy the loyalty between husband and wife — which they’ve definitely done — what do you get? Well, you get employees who are much more flexible, much more willing to give more of themselves to the company. You get more obedience, is what you actually get.

Women in the workforce — the greatest thing that ever happened to American companies, ever — because women are amazing employees. They are, in general — and I can say this as an employer of many women — they’re more loyal. They will actually do what you ask them to do. They won’t freelance or space out or go to a strip bar for lunch. They’re amazing employees.

And in order to get them, you have to convince them that working for some bank is more important than having a real marriage and raising kids. That’s a hard sell. So you have to break the relationship between the husband and the wife. You have to destroy the family in order to do that, in order to get cheap, reliable labor. It’s so obvious to me that that’s what happened.

In any scenario, just ask yourself the obvious question: “This happened. It didn’t happen naturally. It happened because people wanted it to happen. Who benefited?” That’s not a crazy thing to ask.

The Case Against War with Iran

MEGYN KELLY: That’s the first thing the police ask. Trust me. I was a police reporter for a year. I followed cops around and watched them investigate crimes. The first question they ask is who benefited because that’s the most telling question. Right? And so I think it’s fair to ask that. Solves ninety percent of all crime.

Alright. Who benefits? Who benefits if we bomb Iran?

This is scary. Okay? Here’s the latest. We have the largest force amassed in the Middle East since 2003. The deployment is unlike anything the US has done since 2003 when it amassed the forces behind the invasion of Iraq.

We’ve shifted more than one hundred and fifty aircraft to bases in Europe and the Middle East. There’s an airbase we have in Jordan that’s been a key destination for US air assets streaming into the region. More than sixty warplanes were visible in satellite imagery taken Friday. More than a dozen F-35 fighter jets lined up on a tarmac.

Roughly a third of all active US ships are now in the region. Warships in the area also equipped with hundreds of Tomahawk missiles. Aircraft carriers accompanied by guided missile destroyers and various aircraft and helicopters — the USS Abraham Lincoln, USS Gerald R. Ford. The Lincoln has not publicly broadcast its location for more than a week, but it’s believed to be operating somewhere near Oman. Gerald R. Ford was spotted off the Greek island of Crete on Monday, and I could go on.

Somewhere, Lindsey Graham just got a chill down his spine and that special little feeling just at the list of that military buildup, Tucker. You’re having a different feeling. So am I.

I don’t get it. I have to be honest. I don’t get it. Because we were just told by the president in July — I covered it at length — you didn’t want him to go into Iran with those bombs. In July, we did. I was fine with it. I was like, whatever. Okay. Fine. Let’s take out the military facility or the nuclear facility. And then when they said they destroyed it, I saw conflicting reporting on whether we did or we didn’t, but the president certainly said we did. And now here we are six months later saying we have to go back in to stop the nuclear program — the one that we just allegedly bombed and destroyed a few months ago.

I watched a debate on Piers Morgan today with two pro-Israel folks and two anti. And the pro-Israel woman was saying, “Yeah, Israel benefits. This is definitely good for Israel. Of course, we want this.” I accept that. I’ve heard you say it on your show. Great. No problem. But what do we get out of it? That’s fine for them to want it and advocate. What do we get out of it? Why is President Trump considering this?

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t think the president wants to do it. I think he’s been really clear about that. I spoke to him the other day. He didn’t say anything to me that he doesn’t say in public all the time. Trump is amazingly transparent in that way. I’ve spoken to him a lot. I speak to him regularly, and he never says anything that he wouldn’t say in the middle of a speech. There’s no secret agenda that I’ve ever detected.

And he said, “I don’t want to do this. I want a diplomatic solution. I don’t want to go to war. I ran against going to war. I don’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon.” That’s what he says in public and in private, on the phone and in person and on stage. And so I believe it.

Iran doesn’t have a nuclear weapon. It doesn’t have the means to get a nuclear weapon. If it had a nuclear weapon — Mark Levin said three days ago in his podcast, “They’ve got nuclear-tipped ICBMs.” That’s a lie. He should be removed from his job for saying that because it’s untrue, and he knows it’s untrue. This is not about protecting the United States, among many other reasons.

The Real Costs of a War with Iran

MEGYN KELLY: Well, that’s right. But this is incredibly high stakes. I mean, I could go on for an hour about what could go wrong in this war if it takes place.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think it’s likely to take place, but it’s not assured. The president decides, and he has not made that decision. But all things being equal, it will happen, and you could see massive disruption to the US economy. You could see a lot of Americans die. There are tens of thousands in the region, both military and nonmilitary. And you could see some of our closest allies in the world — the Gulf states, who supply the energy for civilization around the world — you could see them disabled by this.

And then you could see massive refugee crises around the world because the plan is to take out the leadership of Iran, but there’s no plan after that. So it would be an open wound — ninety-two million people on a huge landmass — and that would continue the invasion of Europe by immigrants. A lot of them would wind up in the Gulf states directly across the Persian Gulf, and a lot of them would wind up here in the United States.

So there’s kind of no upside. But here’s the way to think about it. We’re looking at it through the wrong frame.

This is not about protecting the United States, obviously. It’s not about even protecting Israel. If you’re Israel and your main goal is not to get hit and to keep your cities safe, the last thing you’re going to do is try to provoke Iran into lobbing ballistic missiles into your country. You would never do that.

Israel’s Regional Ambitions

TUCKER CARLSON: This is about sweeping away any opposition to Israel’s regional hegemony. Israel believes, as the only nuclear-armed power in the Middle East, that it should have control over the region. And by the way, I’m not attacking them. Every nuclear-armed power feels that way. We feel that way. What’s going on in South America? We have a right to weigh in on that because we’re the big dog. They feel that way.

And what stands in their way? Well, Iran primarily, also Turkey, and then the six Gulf energy-producing monarchies — primarily Qatar — because they’re disobedient. They don’t follow Israel’s lead on a lot of different things. And this war — and, of course, the United States — because the United States is constantly telling Israel what you can do and what you can’t do. Trump’s like, “No, you can’t take over the entire West Bank and kick all the Christians out.” The United States is a constraint on Israel. They want the US out of the region. Why wouldn’t they?

And they’re, of course, pivoting to India. Israel has decided it needs a superpower to exist. It’s only nine million people. It’s a really small country. So they have to be in alliance with a larger nuclear-armed power — they have to, or they won’t exist — and they’ve picked India. Prime Minister Modi was in the Knesset yesterday, meeting with Netanyahu, and that is the plan. Israel will pivot from the United States to India. And I don’t think anyone’s even pretending that’s not happening, because support for Israel in the United States is going down.

So this is the last opportunity for Israel to use the US military to sweep away one of the few remaining speed bumps on the way to controlling the entire Middle East and having hegemony. And what does that mean? Well, Israel would like to expand its borders through the Levant into Syria — they were taking land there — and into Lebanon, same thing, and maybe even extending farther north from that. But Israel wants to be physically larger. Every country does. We do. This is just a feature of human nature. But they want to be larger, and they can’t, because Iran’s in the way, Qatar’s in the way, the US is in the way, and Turkey’s in the way. So one by one, diminishing them.

America Cannot Afford This War

TUCKER CARLSON: Does anyone think America will be stronger after this war? Of course not. America will be weaker. We can’t afford it. We have no money. We don’t know how long it will last.

MEGYN KELLY: Of course. All the reports in the news are that even Dan Caine, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, has been saying this could easily spin into a very prolonged quagmire. President Trump truthed out that’s not true — “He’ll do whatever I ask him to. He’s ready to go. All he knows how to do is win.” But it’s been reported in multiple papers now that Caine is saying this could be — I don’t know anyone who doesn’t feel that way.

TUCKER CARLSON: No one in the Pentagon. I’ve talked to a bunch of people in the Pentagon. We don’t have the munitions for this. And this, again, has been reported publicly. This is not secret. It is a fact, and this is the analysis of the Pentagon: if this war goes two weeks, three weeks, a month, the United States will not have enough munitions to wage a major war for ten years. No war with a peer or near-peer nation for ten years, because we don’t have the industrial capacity to replace those munitions. We’ve already expended so many of them in defense of Israel in the last twelve months.

MEGYN KELLY: And in Ukraine.

TUCKER CARLSON: And in Ukraine. So it’s like there’s no way that this helps the United States. We’re not in a place to do it.

I strongly think the president understands that. And let me just be blunt — there’s no one I’m aware of in this administration who is aggressively pushing for this war. All of the pressure is coming from Netanyahu. It’s why he went to the White House seven times in one year. It wasn’t to be nice. It was to push for regime change in Iran. I’m not attacking him. That’s not anti-Semitic. It’s not even anti-Israel. It’s an acknowledgment of the truth. And no matter what you slander people with, in the end, the truth remains true.

The Domestic Voices Pushing for War

MEGYN KELLY: And so they want this. The only reason we would do it —

TUCKER CARLSON: Not just him. His rabidly neocon friends here, like Mark Levin, like Lindsey Graham. There really is a bloodlust by some here domestically who do have the ear of the president, to take out this regime as though it’s going to be as easy as the Maduro raid.

MEGYN KELLY: Well, but everyone — look, this is, again, a country of ninety-two million people that has been under sanctions since 1979.

TUCKER CARLSON: It is an enormous country. It’s the oldest civilization in the world, and they have a huge non-nuclear arsenal of ballistic missiles. Huge. The estimates of this are publicly available. You could bore yourself all day reading about it.

This is a very serious thing. When we invaded Iraq in 2003 — almost exactly thirty-three years ago — that country had twenty-five million people, and it was one-sixth the size of Iran. And we were there for twenty years, and we never fully pacified it. This is a country of ninety-two million people. Reality matters, actually. The number of people who live in your country, the armaments they possess, the landmass — these are relevant facts for people who plan wars, and they help determine the outcomes of those wars and occupations.

The Power of Repetition and Manufactured Truth

TUCKER CARLSON: So this is pure insanity. And what people like Levin — whom I’m not attacking; I feel sorry for, because he’s clearly living in hell — what they’re trying to do is a species of witchcraft. And it’s really simple. You repeat something until it becomes true. “Khamenei must die. We’re going into war. We’re going to knock off the government. This is good for us. Anyone who’s against it is anti-Semitic, a Nazi, should be expelled, Benedict Arnold, not allowed in the White House.” You keep repeating things that are untrue until they become true.

You create truth by speaking. “In the beginning was the word.” There is a holy power, a supernatural power, in words. Describing things is different from simply doing them. And if you can talk reality into being — this is what an incantation is. It’s what a spell is. It’s not spooky, crazy stuff. It’s the lived reality of every person. Say it, and it becomes true.

And that’s exactly what they’re trying to do. And nobody is making the case for how this helps the United States. How does this make us richer, safer, happier? Zero.

The Long-Term Consequences for America

TUCKER CARLSON: And my concern is, if this actually happens — and it’s likely to — what then? There will be no defense. We waged the Iraq war for Israel. It’s obvious now. The people who planned it say that out loud. There were no WMD. The Israelis told us there were WMD. There weren’t. We know that now. They’re telling us there are WMD in Iran — also untrue. But it took twenty years to figure that out.

If we go in — maybe at the end of this week or whenever — every American will know this wasn’t done for us. It was done for a country of nine million people. Where are we then? Then it’s clear we have no sovereignty. It’s clear who did this to us — our leaders. Our leaders did this to us at the behest of foreigners. And you sort of feel like, at that point, I don’t know how the system works at that point. I’m really worried about not just the war, but the long-term effects on our country.

MEGYN KELLY: We’ve done enough for Israel. We’re allies with Israel. We’ve done a lot for Israel. I’m firmly in the camp of we don’t need to do this. And by the way, we already did this. We already took out their nuclear facilities — or so we were told by the president and his team. I’d like to take them at their word. We’re right back in one minute after this quick break with Tucker.

Iran, Israel, and the Middle East

MEGYN KELLY: So while we were in the break, your pal, Mike Pompeo, posted on X the following. As the US enters a new round of negotiations with Iran — because by the way, folks, those are happening today. Jared Kushner and Steve Wittkoff are doing this both directly and indirectly, trying to avoid this thing. Remember, the only outcome worth having is the verifiable destruction of the regime’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs and an end to its support for global terrorism. Unfortunately, the odds are slim to none.

So what do you make of Pompeo’s framing of the issue here?

TUCKER CARLSON: Mike Pompeo is a criminal who should be arrested for plotting the murder of Julian Assange when he had no right to do that. Assange had never even been charged with anything in the United States, and Pompeo plotted his murder. So he should be arrested. I’ve said that to him, and I mean it.

So with that out of the way, let me say, we’re not doing this because Iran poses an existential threat to us or to Israel. We’re being pushed into war by Benjamin Netanyahu because Benjamin Netanyahu wants regional hegemony in the Middle East. It’s really simple. And I wish people would just say that. And by the way, if Israel wants to overturn the government of Iran and deal with the consequences, it can do that.

They can do whatever they want. They’ve got nuclear weapons. But stop lying to me and telling me that there’s some peace deal you want where Iran has to give up any sovereignty at all, but they don’t get sanctions relief. They can have no weapons of any kind. It’s not about the weapons.

It’s about Iran standing in the way of Israel’s regional territorial aims. Obviously, that’s not embarrassing. By the way, every country feels this way. Every big nuclear armed power feels like they should get to control the area they live in. They just feel that way. It’s okay. But stop lying.

It’s the Americans who never stop lying. Shills like Pompeo are getting paid from who knows how many different groups to lie to you and coming across as some sort of moral voice — or poor Mike Huckabee, guys like that who are just under some spell. Let’s just be honest about what this is.

It’s not about Iran’s weapons. It’s about Israel’s ambitions and Iran stands in the way. And now, by the way, in case you haven’t noticed, they’re making bellicose noises about Turkey. Oh, the next war is against Turkey. I have no feelings about Turkey or Erdogan one way or the other.

I mean, there’s nothing farther from my life than that. Where men go for hair transplants. That’s what I know about Turkey. I like Bodrum. It’s pretty. That’s where you get on the boat. It’s fine. It’s all fine. But now we have to hate Turkey.

Why? Because they are the last remaining nation in the region that could stand in the way of Israel controlling the whole region. This is about territory. Netanyahu sees his country as a great global power, himself as a great global leader. I get it. Not attacking him. Doesn’t make me an anti-Semite. I’m just noticing this. And they want what every leader like that wants, which is to be the Caesar of his realm. But they’re just lying to us and telling us they’ve got nuclear tipped ICBMs coming for New York. Stop. You’re lying.

Netanyahu’s Nuclear Warnings: A History of Deception

MEGYN KELLY: And do you want my military? They’ve been lying for a long time. It’s insane. They’ve been lying for a lot. I saw you did this on your show. But when this first started again, like, the buildup to what we did in July with Netanyahu — like, they’re this close to having the nuclear bomb, blah blah blah.

It was one of the moments that I’ve had over the past year when it came to Israel, because I was there. I was at Fox News for each of those UN addresses by Netanyahu. And the one that I remember in particular where he had the picture of the bomb, and it looked like the round bomb that they do in the cartoons, and said that they’re within months. And I was a naive young journalist at Fox who really didn’t do a lot of foreign policy coverage — like, oh, wow. That sounds dire. God, that’s bad. We better pay attention if that’s true. I think Iran hates us. That’s what they say, and they hate Israel. So wow.

And here we were fourteen years removed from that speech with him saying the same thing. And truly, it’s just like, over time, if you paid any attention, you realize he’s been lying every time. He has an agenda. He’s said it for years. If they were within months of getting the bomb back then — that was, I think, 2012 — why are we now at 2026, and they don’t have it?

And you ran a similar clip on your show, I think it was last night, from dating back to the mid-nineties. Yes. We’re going to show it in part here. Watch.

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The most dangerous of these regimes is Iran, that has wed a cruel despotism to a fanatic militancy. Only the United States can lead this vital international effort to stop the nuclearization of terrorist states, but the deadline for attaining this goal is getting extremely, extremely close.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The two nations that are competing with each other — who will be the first to achieve nuclear weapons — is Iraq and Iran. And Iran, by the way, is also outpacing Iraq in the development of ballistic missile systems.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: They’re very close. They’re six months away from being about ninety percent of having the enriched uranium for an atom bomb.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: By next spring, at most by next summer, with the bomb.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Current enrichment rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage. From there, it’s only a few months, possibly a few weeks before they get enough enriched uranium for the first bomb.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You don’t want this Iran to have nuclear weapons or the capability to make nuclear weapons, to enrich uranium for a nuclear bomb in short order — in a few weeks or a few months. They could do that unless that’s changed.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: With this massive capacity, Iran could make the fuel for an entire nuclear arsenal, and this in a matter of weeks once it makes that decision.

VIDEO CLIP ENDS:

MEGYN KELLY: By the way, that was our montage. I know you didn’t do it, but Debbie Murphy corrected me that we put that one together ourselves. But he’s been saying the same thing for years, Tucker, trying to bait us into this. And now, thanks to Pompeo and Levin and guys like that, they have a president who’s at least considering it. I just feel like Trump — he hates war. Why would he do this?

TUCKER CARLSON: Netanyahu also got more hair every year over thirty years, which is amazing. Kind of like defying nature.

MEGYN KELLY: In Turkey.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m sorry.

MEGYN KELLY: That was so catty. I’m sorry I said that, but it’s true.

TUCKER CARLSON: But no — and again, Netanyahu has contempt for the United States and for American leaders. He expresses it all the time. No wonder, because they do his bidding, and they swallow his obvious lies, and you can’t help but have contempt for people you can manipulate. And they very much have contempt for us. They show it.

Ask any American diplomat — other than Huckabee — who deals with the Israelis, and they just exude contempt. And it’s deserved. They should have contempt for us because our leaders swallow this stuff and do their bidding unthinkingly and betray the American people in the process.

So again, it’s not a matter of being mad at Israel, much less anti-Semitic. It’s a matter of feeling betrayed by our own leaders. In the case of our current president, he doesn’t want to do this. He may not have a choice, actually, because Israel has said, if you don’t join us, we’re going to do it anyway — move unilaterally, possibly with nuclear weapons, which they have, and they’ve threatened that before.

And everyone pretends that’s not true. It is true. They threatened it in 1973. I believe they threatened it subsequently. If you don’t backstop us, if you don’t defend us, help us, send us armaments, send your aircraft carriers to the region, give us missile defense — we’ll have no choice but to use nukes against our enemies. And nobody wants that because it could set off a third world war, a nuclear third world war.

So that is their Trump card. They’ve played it before. I believe they are at least implying it now. They are playing it in effect now. And so it leaves the administration with — how many choices? If they say they’re going to do it, then the best you can do, I guess, is to try to constrain them by shaping what they’re doing. We’ll participate, but we’re going to set some of the boundaries here. I mean, I do think that’s the thinking. That is my impression. No one’s told me that explicitly, but it’s pretty obvious.

But I would just say there is another option that no one in Washington ever seems to consider, which is constraining our client state and saying, look, for our sake — and by the way, also for yours — no.

If you allow people who are dependent on you to treat you like this, it doesn’t end well. If you allow your children to scream the f* word in your face at dinner, it’s bad for you, but it’s also bad for them because they’re out of control. You are not living up to your role as a parent, as a guardian, as the person in charge, as the guy paying for all this — as the country of 350 million would naturally relate to a country of nine million. It’s our fault. We’ve let Israel get completely out of control.

They’re fighting a seven front war right now. Who fights a seven front war?

MEGYN KELLY: We don’t want that to end. Nobody else should win on any seven front war.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re not managing my plate.

MEGYN KELLY: Correct. Because you talked to Mike Huckabee about that desire within Israel — amongst its leaders anyway — for hegemony, for growing power within the Middle East. And he made an admission — of course, he’s our ambassador to Israel — he made an admission that caused an international scandal. All these Middle Eastern countries responded very angrily at what he said. Here’s the clip.

Huckabee’s Controversial Admission

VIDEO CLIP BEGINS:

MEGYN KELLY: God gave that land to his people, the Jews, or he didn’t. You’re saying he did. What does that mean? Does Israel have the right to that land? Because you’re appealing to Genesis. You’re saying that’s the original deed.

MIKE HUCKABEE: It would be fine if they took it all, but I don’t think that’s what we’re talking about here today. I think it would be fine if the state of Israel took over all —

MEGYN KELLY: They don’t want to take it over.

MIKE HUCKABEE: You’re explaining what Christian Zionism is and your theological beliefs.

MEGYN KELLY: And you think — you just said it would be fine with you if the state of Israel took all of Syria, all of Lebanon. They’re not trying to take over Jordan. They’re not trying to take over Syria. They’re not trying to take over Iraq or anywhere else. But they do want to protect their people.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: CNN pointing out that suggesting even nominal support for Israeli sovereignty over much of the Middle East is an unprecedented departure from American foreign policy. It also goes well beyond what much of Israel’s far right is willing to call for publicly. Nearly every Middle Eastern country aside from Israel condemned Huckabee’s comments in a joint statement on Sunday, led by the UAE, backed by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, and others, denounced his comments as dangerous and inflammatory. And even Muslim majority countries outside the region like Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan also signed on to the denunciation.

VIDEO CLIP ENDS:

MEGYN KELLY: So did he just have a moment where he let his guard down? Because he was trying to be so careful in that whole interview, Tucker. What happened there? It went on like this for two and a half hours.

TUCKER CARLSON: He should be recalled. He doesn’t represent the United States. This was a true humiliation to our country. This is our US ambassador. I’m the son of an ambassador. I sort of know how this works. You’re supposed to represent the president and the nation, and he’s representing the country he’s living in, which is a foreign nation. So it’s a humiliation.

It’s also sad for him. It’s not Christian theology. It’s not even close to Christian theology. He’s going to have to deal with that at some point. But as a practical matter, he couldn’t explain the most obvious questions.

He said, as people often do, does Israel have a right to this land? And I said, where does that right come from, and do other countries have similar rights? And he said two things. No other country has a right. No other people has a right to its land. Only the Israelis have a right to their land. That’s it. The Irish don’t have a right to Ireland.

Israel, Iran, and the Limits of Diplomatic Rhetoric

TUCKER CARLSON: The English don’t have a right to England. The French don’t have a right to France. Only the Israelis have a right to Israel, and that right comes from God. And so I said, being familiar with the verse, that’s from Genesis fifteen. And here’s the promise that God made to Abram before he became Abraham, to Abram in Genesis fifteen, and it’s the land between the Nile and the Euphrates.

And that’s the whole Middle East. And that’s the basis upon which you’re making this claim. So you’re saying Israel has a right to this land. This is his own framework, not mine. I’m a Christian, but I believe in also secular diplomacy. Like, these are the boundaries.

This is what the treaty specifies. Like, I live in reality. I don’t think that the blueprint for international relations is Genesis fifteen. I just don’t think that. Call me a bad Christian. I don’t think that. But he does.

And so since he does, I said, okay, do they have the right to all of this? And he said, now famously, they can take it. He’s saying that not simply as some sort of Christian preacher. He’s saying this as the U.S. Ambassador to what everyone calls our closest ally.

Boy, you can’t talk that way if you’re a diplomat representing my country and my president. So I think it’s an outrage, leaving aside all the other stuff.

So rather than explain it, he just goes on this rant that I should be banned from the White House, that I’m a Nazi, I’m an anti-Semite, which I’m not, as everyone who knows me knows I’m not. I’ve said it a thousand times. I’m totally opposed to anti-Semitism.

Being Labeled an Anti-Semite

MEGYN KELLY: But he announced — you got more critical of Israel, and they started calling you an anti-Semite over and over and over. And I do think it’s a means of undermining your critique of Israeli policy.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course. And getting me killed is — I get it. I get it.

MEGYN KELLY: Trying to otherize you. Yeah.

TUCKER CARLSON: But I’m not going to — you know, I’m too old to put up with this. And I would say, to be blunt, people are very intimidated by that. They’re intimidated because they don’t want their reputations destroyed. They also don’t want to be killed. People sense a physical threat from that kind of language, and they should.

Those are fighting words. Those are words meant to inspire violence. Israel is an incredibly violent country. It brags about its violence. Many books have been written about its assassination campaigns, which have been ongoing since the end of the Second World War, when they committed acts of terrorism against the British, when they blew up the King David Hotel, etcetera, etcetera.

People know this is a very violent country, the most violent country on planet Earth. And when you criticize it, you can get physically hurt, or you can get deplatformed, debanked, lose your job. These are not hollow threats. And because those threats are real, they pay random influencers all over the Internet by the tweet to try to destroy your reputation and say that you’re a neo-Nazi anti-Semite at every turn.

MEGYN KELLY: Right. Whether your name is Tucker Carlson or Megyn Kelly, for that matter. And ever talk about Israel, and I’ve experienced some of this backlash. It’s ridiculous.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, you came out and said, “I love Israel. I’m a friend of Israel. I couldn’t be more pro-Jewish. I don’t have an anti-Semitic bone in my body,” and I, by the way, really like Israel — for the fifth time — and they still called you a Nazi. So why? Why?

And I even talked to some of the people doing it. I was like, “Megyn Kelly, really? If Megyn Kelly’s an anti-Semite, I mean, I don’t even know where we are here.”

MEGYN KELLY: Yeah. But now we’re seeing why.

TUCKER CARLSON: And the reason was to prevent criticism of policy goals. Israel wants — say it out loud — they want to use the US military and the US treasury to sweep aside the last remaining obstacle to regional hegemony in the Middle East, which is Iran. And they don’t want to be criticized or to be asked, like, “What’s the plan here?” Because they don’t have an answer.

And so they have taken offline, preemptively, critics, by being so violent rhetorically, and maybe physically, that everyone’s like, “I don’t want to get involved. I don’t want to deal with this. The cost is too high.”

MEGYN KELLY: Exactly it. That is exactly what they’ve done. And I’ve just decided, at fifty-six, I don’t care, and I’m just going to do this because I believe that my motives are pure. I’m just an American, and I think it’s important to say this.

But there are a lot of other people who feel it who won’t say it because it’s like, “I’ve got kids. I don’t want to deal with this.” That is true. That’s a fact.

I know. I’m sure you get — I’m sure you get what I mean. I’m only new to this being-called-an-anti-Semite game. On top of being a racist and a transphobe and a pedophile lover and all the things that we’ve probably both been called over the years. Now the latest is anti-Semite, neo-Nazi.

But I get texts all the time from people who are like, “I agree with what you’re saying. I just can’t say it publicly.” I’m sure you get that times a hundred. People, they are scared. They’re scared that this very loud lobby of online so-called influencers, whatever — the vicious online X crowd — is going to come for them.

And I understand it because, Tucker, you have a huge show. We have a big show too. It’s going to be really hard to destroy you. And, thankfully, I think it’s going to be really hard to destroy us too. And so we’re in a little bit more of a steady place than a lot of these people who agree with us but are, probably wisely, not being that out loud about it, because that could be their head in a basket next.

The Nature of the Attacks

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s right. And they go after members of your family. They’ve certainly done that to me very aggressively. But really, the cost here is not that. The cost here is hate. So you see some of these people — and I would say Levin is one of them, Loomer is another — who are not making an argument. They’re trying to evoke hate in you. They are trying to make you hate them.

Now why would they do that? Because the nature of this is supernatural. Just saying this is a spiritual battle as well as a temporal battle. And the answer is really simple, because evil feeds on hate. So to the extent that they can inspire hate in their opponents, they become stronger. It’s just a fact.

And the opposite, of course, are the people trying to inspire love and bring unity and stop division and make people understand each other and invoke empathy in others. Those are signs of God and goodness. But signs of evil are always the same. It’s chaos and hate. And chaos and hate are the things that they’re calling for.

And it’s very easy to get sucked into that if you spend your life on the phone reading attacks — not just on yourself, but on others. Reading attacks on you is actually driving me completely — so I never read about myself. But I’d read these attacks. “Megyn Kelly’s a Nazi,” or whatever, and I’m like, “I can’t believe you’re saying that. It’s such a lie.” Irrational, by the way, is another feature of their rhetoric. It doesn’t make sense. That’s designed to bewilder you and, again, to inspire hate in you.

So I really think the trick for the rest of us is: don’t play along. I’m not going to be hateful. I’m never going to hate you, because I don’t want to feed the evil through hate.

MEGYN KELLY: I consider it a massive blessing that all my best friends actually do happen to be Jewish. It’s a massive blessing, because this kind of nonstop harassment can actually drive you to, like — what the hell? This is crazy.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes. I totally agree.

MEGYN KELLY: They are way worse. Way worse. And so it’s like you have to be reminded every day that no, they don’t speak for American Jewish people. Well, they certainly don’t. American Jews have all sorts of varying views on Israel, on Netanyahu, and on war with Iran, and have no problem with people being critical of those things.

This is like an online sect that is in large part paid to push an agenda that includes cutting people out like you and me, like a canary in the coal mine. Like, “This will happen to you. Anybody who goes — if I can do this to Tucker, if I can do this to Megyn, I can do it to all of you, and I will do it relentlessly.” Try to ruin you, smear you, make it so that you can’t even go on X.

TUCKER CARLSON: Totally.

MEGYN KELLY: Which is why I refuse to leave there.

Tucker’s Visits to the White House

TUCKER CARLSON: And they want to give the impression that they completely control the administration, that they alone decide who goes into the White House. And I’ve gone to see Donald Trump — literally pushing for you never to be allowed back into the White House right now — and I’ve gone three times in the last month.

Now why have I done that? I have no real interest in going to Washington. I don’t live there anymore. I’m from there, but I don’t go there because I don’t want to. But I have gone, first, because I really like Trump, and I’ve known Trump longer than Laura Loomer’s been alive, probably. And I’ve always liked him, and I’ve always gotten along with him.

And Donald Trump ran on the things that I believe. So I campaigned for him. These people did not. I did. So I have a relationship with Trump that is very affectionate and honest. And I’m just going to say that out loud. I just want to make the point that, no, I like Trump. And Trump certainly doesn’t agree with me on everything and certainly doesn’t follow my instruction, unfortunately, and all kinds of things. But I’m an American who knows him and really likes him and has for many years, and I have a right to go there.

So I’m just going to make that point. No, you don’t control the White House. I’m sorry. Part of this is illusion. They have a tiny minority position in the United States. Mark Levin represents, what, five, ten percent of the American population? Less. But they’re creating this kind of movie set where they’re speaking for the majority. They’ve got an American flag in the background. “If you’re a true patriot, then you want to send your son to go die for a foreign country and get poorer in the process.” It’s all insane, but they’re creating this illusion that it’s real.

And my job, I feel like, is to, to the extent I can, help break that illusion. No, I’m going to walk into the White House, which I’ve been visiting since I was a child. This is my country. I’m very familiar with this city. I’m very familiar with this building, and I’m very familiar with the guy who occupies the Oval Office right now, and I really like him.

And I just want to say that, because that alone might help shatter the illusion that they totally control Trump. They do not totally control Trump. That is not true. I’ve talked to Trump five times in the past month. They do not totally control Trump. He listens to them. He listens to others. He listens to Bibi. He also listens to MBS and MBZ, and he listens to a lot of people. They’re not totally in control. Sorry. And I just want to remind people of that.

MEGYN KELLY: Well, I mean, the last time I went to the White House, I was reminded of the fact that you do need an invitation to get in. I love that they’re making it sound like you just stormed the gates, and I’m like, “I insist on speaking with the president.” You go to the White House by invitation. It’s very clear that the president does want varying points of view.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course.

MEGYN KELLY: And Mark Levin — I saw him at the White House. He was there not long ago. He has his say, but he doesn’t want you to have your say. You represent a very large faction of Americans, not just Republicans. There’s a very large swath of Democrats that doesn’t want to see war with Iran either. And the president should have access to you and your ideas, which are very well thought out. You spent a lot of time thinking about this and interviewing people on it. It’s just that Mark Levin doesn’t — it’s his ideas or no one’s. That’s really where he is, which is just completely bonkers, and Trump is not standing for it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, he’s trying to create the illusion that his ideas are the only ideas and that he represents some kind of consensus. And I would be willing to bet I represent the views of more Americans than Mark Levin does. I’d be willing to bet my life, actually. But it’s not even about that. The vast majority of Americans do not want war with Iran.

Bibi and Levin’s Claims of Controlling Trump

Well, Mark Levin wants you to believe that he controls Trump, and Bibi wants you to believe that he controls Trump. Bibi runs around the Middle East telling all the other leaders, “You can’t talk to Trump directly. I control Trump.” He’s told — I mean, I know that because I’ve talked to those leaders who told me that. That’s a fact. “I control Trump.” That’s what Bibi tells everyone in the region. “You want to deal with him, you deal with me, and I’ll bring the message.”

Mark Levin is taking the same message to the American public. “I control Trump.” He’s with Trump at some event a few months ago.

American Unity and Tucker Carlson’s Influence

MEGYN KELLY: He puts his arm around. He’s like a little short man. Puts his arm around the president of the United States and, like, pulls him in like that. Who does that? Trump doesn’t like that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. Who would like that?

MEGYN KELLY: Would you like that? Emasculate Trump.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly. His message is I control Trump.

And as someone who knows Trump very well and loves Trump and always has loved Trump despite getting annoyed at certain points, you know, spent a lot of time with Trump. That offends me. You do not control Trump. He is an autonomous man. He’s the president of the United States elected by the nation, not by you and your irrelevant little podcast nobody listens to or Bibi, who’s not even an American.

No. He represents all Americans, all Americans of all religions. Stop trying to divide this country. Stop trying to tell me all Muslims are evil. How is that better than all Jews are evil?

It’s not better. It’s exactly the same. The message that Americans yearn for and the only path back to American strength is American unity, where citizenship is the thing that brings us together. We may disagree on things, but we’re all in this together. It’s like a marriage.

I may be mad at my spouse, but we’re still married. And it’s people like Mark Levin who are trying to divide this country, break it into its component parts so they can control it. Do not allow that. And the first step from my perspective is making the point that they do not. Mark Levin and Bibi and the rest of these ghouls do not control Donald Trump.

He is a free man who answers to God and the public. And I just wanted to shatter the illusion, and I hope that it helped. They really hate me for doing it. But sorry. I’m going back because I love Trump, and I like going there to see him. And it’s interesting, and he’s fun.

He’s funny as hell. And I’m an American, and I’m going to continue to do that.

MEGYN KELLY: They can’t stand your influence, which is kind of fun to watch. And, you know, listen. There’s a reason God put you in this position, like, built you up to the point where you could take on this battle, Tucker, and the slings and arrows coming your way, which are substantial.

I mean, truly, like, we’ve both been through the cable news gauntlet, and it really is a snake pit. And what’s happening now on this front, these people are way worse than —

TUCKER CARLSON: Dude, that was nothing compared to this. Media Matters ever threw at us. We used to complain about Irina Briganti or whatever at Fox. Like, oh, she’s so bad.

MEGYN KELLY: Right. That was nothing compared to what these people are like.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

MEGYN KELLY: But last I checked, you know, we look at the podcast charts on Apple all the time, which is our biggest platform. And you and I are always up there. We’re like one and two, one way or the other every week, when it comes to powerhouse podcasts. And the only one we ever really trail behind is the New York Times, The Daily. Sometimes one of those other left wingers will get in front of us, but we’re doing great. So it’s not working, is my point.

TUCKER CARLSON: No. It’s not working. And that drives them even more crazy.

MEGYN KELLY: So just speaking truth, that’s what gets you there.

TUCKER CARLSON: Amen.

MEGYN KELLY: I love talking to you, my friend. Let’s do it again soon.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re the best, Megyn. Thank you very much. Great to see you. Lots of love.

MEGYN KELLY: You as well.

Megyn’s Closing Thoughts on Tucker and the Israel Debate

It’s so good to talk to him. I just feel like what’s happening to Tucker is unfair. And, you know, I hate the word unfair. It’s, like, not a healthy word. When you spend too much time thinking about how your life is unfair, you become bitter. But I will just say as a factual matter, what’s happening to him is unfair.

If you listen to Tucker’s show, and I do listen to his show, he is very critical of Israel. He does not like how they try to exercise control over us and to pull us into wars, and that drives a certain segment crazy. But he is not somebody out there criticizing Jews. Okay? That’s what the left — not all the left. Just the crazy — you know, and it’s not just the left. This is the right. Mark Levin is on the right, but it’s the sort of the very, very ardently pro-Israel crowd who would have you believe he’s got a problem with Jews, and he doesn’t. He just doesn’t. There’s just no evidence of that.

And there’s zero evidence when it comes to me. Like, it’s my friendship with Tucker that’s gotten me canceled by some segments and had some people saying I’m an anti-Semite, including Mark Levin calling me a neo-Nazi. It’s ridiculous.

In any event, I hate talking about it. It makes you not want to talk about Israel at all because it’s like there’s no upside. You know, this fing crazed lunatic online crowd will come for you because that’s all they care about. They don’t give a s about the United States. They are Israel first. So you don’t want to touch it. Like, I don’t want to deal with these absolute vile bullies.

But we may be going to a war with Iran because they’re pushing Trump into it, so we must talk about them, and we will. And if you don’t like our commentary, you have lots of other options to turn to. So far, we’ve been doing just fine, and I think our audience has room in its heart for diverse viewpoints. And that’s fine by me too, even if you disagree with me.

As you know on this show, from the beginning, one of my most favorite things to read in the emails is, “I disagree with you all the time, but I love the show because it opens my mind,” or “I hear interesting discussions that I can take or leave at my pleasure.” That’s high praise. That’s what we try to do.

And I hope I try to model the ability to talk to people with whom I disagree or with whom I’ve had disagreements in the past, to show you can get past it. You know, like, who would ever have expected my friendship with Steve Bannon? Right? It’s crazy. Who would have thought that?

But I am very capable of moving past prior slights and negative chapters because I’m human, and I have to exist in this world. And I live in an ecosystem where if you can’t do that, you’ll have nobody left to talk to. It’s vicious.

Anyway, just a long way of saying I appreciate all of you for listening and making the show what it is and, you know, making it possible for me to say what I think without being canceled in two seconds by the online angry people just as soon as I sit behind the mic. I love you all.

Brady Tkachuk and the Woke Sports Media

Turning now to some other headlines. Mayor Zohran Mamdani is back at the White House as we learn more about the assault on NYPD officers in his city, you know, by so-called kids. And another Olympic men’s hockey team member is getting grilled by the absolute worst woke sports writers of America. Joining me now to break it all down is independent journalist Evita Duffy-Alfonso and podcaster Amala Ekpunobi, host of the Amala Ekpunobi podcast. Evita, Amala, welcome back. Great to have you.

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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Thanks for having —

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Okay. Let’s start with Brady Tkachuk, who is American but plays up in Canada and just got cross-examined by some woke Canadian female sportscaster.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I heard KK talking about you, Abby Murphy. Would you understand how they could feel pretty put down by that moment?

BRADY TKACHUK: I mean, I yeah. I mean, I get it. I think, yeah, I mean, I don’t really — of course, we’re — I have no really other comments other than, you know, for the things that we can control, and that was, you know, we supported them. They support us. Can’t control, you know, what other people say. By far, the best team in that tournament. It was just fun hanging out with them after, you know, picking their brains. They’re picking our brains, and it was just fun to be around them.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: So then why would you laugh when they got invited?

BRADY TKACHUK: I mean, I don’t really have an answer. Honestly, it was just a whirlwind of a moment that, like, you can’t really control what somebody says and it just, I guess, caught off guard a little bit, but, I know you’re talking to the president.

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MEGYN KELLY: I am so sick of this s*, Amala. This is stomach turning. When will it end?

AMALA EKPUNOBI: Oh my gosh. Who knows? I’m so tired of the PC police, but I think what happens here is they represent the worst nightmare for the left — a group of white men who are triumphant on behalf of the US and being called by Donald Trump. It was a recipe for disaster from the start here.

And I think we’ve got to talk about the joke that Donald Trump made about the women’s team and use it to talk about the accomplishment of the men’s team here without setting aside that the women did really great at the Olympics. These men have been in a forty-six year medal drought when it comes to hockey, and they broke that. The men’s team gets more viewers. They have more supporters. This should be an amazing time to unite as Americans and just celebrate something that was awesome.

And of course, they’re going to laugh. They’re in a high. They’re in a moment where they’ve accomplished something really great for their country. And we should be able to set aside a little joke that may or may not have been in poor taste and allow them to celebrate this moment. It’s ridiculous.

MEGYN KELLY: Here’s the joke again for people who haven’t heard it, Trump with the guys in the locker room post-win.

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DONALD TRUMP: What would really be cool — and we’ll do the White House the next day, we’ll just have some fun. We have medals for you guys. And we have to — I must tell you, we’re going to have to bring the women’s team if you do know that. Absolutely. You do. I do believe I probably would be impeached. Okay?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Said two for two. Two for two.

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MEGYN KELLY: Evita, they had no problem with it, and then he followed up with, “Alright, be impeached,” and they gave him some polite chuckles. And for this, the media is ruining both the men’s and the women’s celebration of their gold medals.

EVITA DUFFY-ALFONSO: Yeah. I mean, a lot of the men in that room seem to be celebrating the women’s victory as well. Like, the assumption that it’s negative and sexist is, of course, intentional because they want to make everything, as Amala said, a victory for white men somehow a negative, awful thing.

And I’d like to ask just every single person who’s offended by this, all the journalists, all the female athletes who are left wing — do you guys support trans-identifying men in women’s sports? I mean, if you guys can come to the table on that one, then we could have a conversation about whether President Trump is sexist when he calls the team in the locker room to congratulate them.

Hockey, Politics, and the Austin Matthews Controversy

But, otherwise, I just don’t want to have a conversation about it. It’s kind of ridiculous. It’s not just that Canadian journalist, Abby, whatever her name is. The Canadian journalists are, of course, terrible because Canada’s so woke and annoying. There’s a guy named Damian Cox who writes for the Toronto Star, wrote an op ed there. And he took issue with one of our players named Austin Matthews who plays for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

He’s been playing for them for ten years. And he’s very, very upset that this guy, Austin Matthews, acted happy to win his gold medal even though he plays for a Canadian team in the NHL. I mean, it’s ridiculous. The op ed is full of a long lecture for Austin about how he’s got two c’s on his jersey. One’s for Canada, one’s for captain.

And that, clearly, he proved by going to the White House. So he didn’t go to the State of the Union. He went to the White House and had the burgers with the president, shook his hand, that the one c, captain, means more to him than the other c, Canada, and had a lecture for him about how he was allowed to celebrate. It was fine for him to go to Miami, according to this writer. But at that point, after that was all done, he could have said, “Sorry, boys, but I’ve got to go back to work.”

He talks about how the Maple Leafs really needed him, and they’re in serious danger of missing the playoffs. Instead, the Arizona born pivot, chose to jump on a plane for Washington DC to accept an invitation to visit Trump. He went to a luncheon, posed for pictures with Trump, then skipped the dog and pony State of the Union address. He says, apparently, he’s blissfully unaware many athletes and teams have declined invitations from the Trump administration. The entire women’s hockey team, possibly insulted by the fact that Trump made this joke.

Papa said thanks, but no thanks. He preferred to exchange his immediate return to the Leafs for the opportunity to shake Trump’s hand. When asked about his lack of sensitivity toward Canada, Matthews took the athlete’s easy way out. “I don’t like to get political or get into that kind of stuff,” he said. We get it.

You’re a proud American, but not a proud Canadian, not even verbally supportive of the country that has given you the privilege of living and working here as a noncitizen for a decade. He’s outraged. This guy, I can’t. I’m like, these, sooner or later, our boys are going to have to start telling everyone to f* off.

Oh, yeah. I mean, at this point, and have you seen them play a game of hockey? Have you seen how rough and masculine that game can be? And here we are being offended by people going to visit the president. I think we should look a little bit further into his statement. Not only did he say “I don’t like to get political,” but he sort of alludes to the idea that really anybody would take up this invitation and go to meet the president regardless of who the president is.

And I think what we’re falling for here is people who just like to go after Trump. They have TDS syndrome. If this was another president under another administration, we wouldn’t be hearing about any of this. The joke, the invitations, the State of the Union. But because it’s Donald Trump, it sort of taints everything that happens surrounding our sports, surrounding the celebration of the US, surrounding being a US citizen. This guy did nothing wrong and obviously so.

CBS Coverage and Media Bias

And now you have the American journalist, as bad, Avita. Just as bad. The new CBS, completely revamped now. Right? They’re going to be more fair and balanced now under the new leadership. You tell me.

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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Moving on to the members of the US hockey team. They’re talking now about President Trump’s joke that did not land well for some. The men’s team visited the White House Tuesday after an invite from the president. In a phone call to the US locker room after Sunday’s final game, the president seemed to put down the US women’s team, which had also won gold.

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Alright. So the men are taking some heat for laughing along with the president at that joke, the expense of the women’s hockey team. Jack Hughes says people are making something out of nothing, and both teams support each other. The majority of the US men’s team, of course, attended the State of the Union, earlier this week. The women were invited. They declined. They’re being celebrated. Women are being — I could see why they’re offended by it. I don’t like things.

Oh, of course. Gail King would like you to know they have every right, Evita. You know, at one point, so I believe that there’s a lot of TDS happening right now, but I think there’s just an overwhelming sense of hatred of America.

America’s Political Divide and Pride in Country

I just saw a Gallup poll. It’s ninety-two percent of Republicans are proud to be American. Only thirty-eight percent of Democrats. I mean, the disconnect that we have as a country politically, it’s not just that they don’t like this president. It seems like they hate our country. We have it from outside our country too, obviously with Canada and other foreign entities who don’t love America. When you have it in your own house, it starts to become kind of pathological.

And you start to realize we have a real sickness. And this is coming from all of our institutions. This is why the Trump administration is constantly trying to create reforms in our education system, in corporate media. It’s become a massive, massive cancer in our society.

Yes. It’s really there’s a rot, and that’s why they see racism in everything. They see bigotry in everything.

Democrats Crying Racism Where It Doesn’t Exist

Just quickly, here’s Representative Maxine Dexter. She’s a Democrat from Oregon on the latest finding of racism where it doesn’t exist.

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MAXINE DEXTER: Please ask for the science based regimens, not whatever RFK Junior is getting kickbacks on or, you know, whatever whole milk, white supremacy, dog whistling that’s happening right now.

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I’m getting a little too political. But pretty sure she said whole milk is white supremacy. Avita, who knew? I didn’t know. I’ve been drinking whole milk. I haven’t become a white supremacist yet. I guess that’s part of the problem.

It’s just so crazy. I mean, we’ve heard the left say before that things like working out and going to the gym regularly are extensions of white supremacy. We saw this so many times.

Yes. Being on time, saying being polite, believing in any sort of time schedule, having a nuclear family, these things are white supremacy. You could go through a list of just about anything, throw it at a leftist, and I think they would find some way to make it racist, to make it something that is indicative of you being a member of the KKK. And they’ll ignore the glaring issues that exist in our society. Our childhood obesity rate, the fact that kids are lacking in vitamins and nutrients that they can get from whole milk. Can we focus on the issue or do we have to make everything about white supremacy?

And, truly, pay attention. We’ve redone the food pyramid. We are not looking at saturated fat the way we used to. Just do a little reading, madam.

Zohran Mamdani and the Snowball Fight Controversy

We’ve got to talk about Zohran Mamdani. His absurd behavior in response to just a snowball fight. It was just a snowball fight in the park by kids, which is such a lie. There were — it was all grown men and some women pelting cops with ice balls, with snowballs, and with snowballs that had rocks in them too, I later found out.

And so Zohran Mamdani refuses to just acknowledge what we all saw with our own eyes, and now he’s doubling down on it. Here’s a little bit more. Well, he was pressed on Wednesday about, like, some cops went to the hospital. Like, they were bleeding. They had lacerations on their face. Like, you’re really dismissing this too easily and too lightly.

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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: If the NYPD investigates and the DA decides it’s criminal, are you going to seek to intervene?

ZOHRAN MAMDANI: I’ve said that what I saw was a snowball fight. It should be treated accordingly. It was one that got out of hand, but that’s what it was.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: So, Mister Mayor, are you willing to revise your statement regarding the snowball fight? Given that this was not exactly a friendly back and forth snowball fight, that the police that were there were not throwing any snowballs. They were getting pelted themselves. And number two, have you considered, or would you consider, banning these crowdsourcing events because they can and sometimes do get out of hand?

ZOHRAN MAMDANI: So I’m not going to be banning snowball fights or organized snowball fights. I’ve shared my thoughts with New Yorkers.

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He doesn’t seem to care what happened to these cops, Avita.

Well, it gives me a lot of PTSD from when I lived in Chicago during BLM, the summer of rage 2020. And you saw the cops just continuously harassed, continuously treated like absolute dirt, not supported by Mayor Lori Lightfoot, who was in charge at the time, and they quit en masse. And when they quit en masse, the entire city became far less safe. It became a hellscape. I had classmates of mine at the University of Chicago literally die. They were shot on public transit. Kids pistol whipped on their way to and from class, robbed. I mean, it was horrific.

So what you’re asking for is a deeply unsafe New York City when you demoralize cops in the way Mamdani is. He’s telling them, “I’m not on your side. I don’t have your back.” When he does nothing as they’re being brazenly attacked by radical leftists.

And I feel like there’s something really, I think overall demoralizing about a Mamdani New York, about a left wing New York. I mean, we take down statues of Teddy Roosevelt. We erect twelve foot statues of overweight black women in Times Square. We had trash on the street. Everything smells like weed. Everything smells like urine. It feels intentional. It feels purposely humiliating and demoralizing.

And here, take a look at the man who just did get arrested for this because the cops are not listening to Zohran Mamdani. They are arresting the people who did this, and they found this guy, Guzman Kolabali, twenty-seven, for assault. And look at the size of this person. This is a grown ass man. This is not a, quote, kid, Zohran. Somebody ought to throw one of these things at him, see how he likes it if he doesn’t consider it an assault. Just kidding. They shouldn’t do that. But I just — it’s like, easy for him to say, “Oh, it’s just kids throwing snowballs,” and these guys are in the ER getting their wounds treated.

Fresno City Council Candidate and the Sex Offender Registry

Okay. We’ve got to talk about Fresno, California, which has jumped the shark. Running for city council out there, someone by the name of Renee Campos, no relation, who is a registered sex offender. Listen to this.

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RENEE CAMPOS: I believe Fresno deserves leaders that are honest from the very beginning, not the end. So going into this, I am putting my life out there. I’ve been given the chance to rehabilitate through the courts and back into the system. Let’s choose somebody outside the box, somebody who knows the system from inside out. Because me, I’ve experienced the laws that we are trying to reform right now.

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He’s outside the box all right, Amala?

Yeah. I think we can go in other directions. If we’re looking for outside the box city council members, I would not be voting or supporting in this direction. It’s kind of outlandish, but we’re having a lot of conversations right now about MAPs, minor attracted persons, and calling things like pedophilia disorder rather than a crime. So I’m not at all surprised that a place like Fresno, California would have an individual like this trying to vie for a position in city council. At the very least, I guess at least they’re being open about their registry on the sex offender list so that we can avoid.

I mean, he was charged with being in possession of child sex abuse material in 2018, Evita. I mean, this is a few years ago. He was looking at child pornography.

Well, I did — this is — I mean, the left does this all the time. There was a while ago that Vice did a documentary on sex offenders, and one of the journalists who actually was trying to say, “Oh, look, they’re not so bad. They’re just minor attracted persons.” She ended up actually being harassed by one of these sex offenders who sent her a nude photo. So, I mean, this is just classic left wing behavior, and it’s very dumb. And I hope that they elect him because then they’ll see what it’s like.

Oh my god. I mean, I’d like to think that even in the People’s Republic of California, they’re going to say no to a registered sex offender. I mean, good luck. Like, you elevate somebody like this, and then before you know it, they use that position because let’s face it. You don’t outgrow your desire to look at child sex abuse material. So that guy’s — there’s zero point in putting him in a position of power. I think it’s a him. To be honest, not entirely clear. Couldn’t say.

Avita, thank you both so much. Great to see you, and we’ll see you again soon, I hope.

Thanks, Mike. Alright. We’re back tomorrow with Mike Benz for the first time on the show.

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