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The Moral of the Story With Dr. Jordan Peterson: Hansel & Gretel (Transcript)

Read the full transcript of Dr. Jordan Peterson’s psychological and cultural analysis of the Grimm Brothers’ Hansel & Gretel, revealing how the abandonment of children into the unknown mirrors moral failure at home—and how faith, courage, and sibling love can redeem it. This episode was filmed on June 24th, 2025.

DR. JORDAN B. PETERSON: Hello, everybody. So in the past, I have told or read stories for children and offered an analysis. And I recently released a new episode of that sort discussing the Grimm’s brothers Snow White, and people seem pretty happy with that. I’ll read you a couple of comments:

“Can we have a whole psychoanalytic series on fairy tales? So many hidden lessons. It also reminds me of the Peterson lectures I listened to on the lion king, Peter Pan, and Pinocchio. That was some years ago. Yes. More of these.”

“Please do more of these. All the best from The UK. Story time with doctor Peterson. Too awesome.”

Well, the episode proved quite popular, and people’s responses were very positive. And I like doing narrative analysis. And so we’re going to try another one today, Hansel and Gretel. And you all know that story, so we’ll see how it goes.

The Domestic Catastrophe Begins

“Hard by a great forest dwelled a poor woodcutter with his wife and two children. The boy was called Hansel and the girl Gretel. He had little to bite and to break. And once when great scarcity fell on the land, he could no longer procure daily bread. Now when he thought this over by night in his bed and tossed about in his anxiety, he groaned and said to his wife, more about her in a moment, what is to become of us? How are we to feed our poor children when we no longer have anything even for ourselves?”

Now you see, there’s something troublesome right there already because his priorities are backwards. He says, “when we no longer have anything even for ourselves,” well, a father with his priorities right would be more concerned about his children’s hunger than his own. And so the teller of the tale, the writer, the author of the tale sets up the situation for us with that foolishness. This woodcutter is selfish and as we’ll see also weak, and that places his children at great risk.

“How are we to feed our poor children when we no longer have anything even for ourselves?” Prioritizing himself first.

“I’ll tell you what, husband,” answered the woman. “Early tomorrow morning, we will take the children out into the forest to where it is the thickest. There we will light a fire for them and give each of them one piece of bread more, and then we’ll go to our work and leave them alone. They will not find their way home again, and we shall be rid of them.”

“No, wife,” said the man. “I will not do that. How can I bear to leave my children alone in the forest? The wild animals would soon come and tear them to pieces.”

“Oh, thou fool,” said she. “Then we must all four die of hunger. Thou mayest as well plane the planks for our coffins.” And she left him no peace until he consented.

“But I feel very sorry for the poor children all the same,” said the man.

The Weakness of the Father

Well, there’s quite a tale of domestic catastrophe in that opening paragraph because his wife, who turns out to be the children’s stepmother, as we see in the next paragraph, is quite the horrid piece of work, and he doesn’t stand up to her. He proclaims that he feels sorry for his children, but he doesn’t throw his wife out of the house, which would be approximately the appropriate move under such circumstances when her proclivity is to not only ensure that she’s fed first, which makes her a very bad mother, but also to trick the children, take them to where it’s maximally frightening, the darkest part of the forest, leave them there, and then harass her weak husband to death until he agrees.

Now another thing we might give some thought to with this opening is why the poverty exists. And we could feel sorry for the poor woodcutter and his poor new wife, or we could note very carefully that their poverty might have something to do with their misplaced priorities and their selfishness.

The Lesson of Elijah and the Widow

So let me give you a counterexample. In the story of Elijah in the Old Testament, Elijah is the first prophet who identifies the voice of conscience with the divine, which is a major psychological transformation. Right?

Now Elijah is the enemy of the nature worshipers who are led by an evil queen named Jezebel, who’s an arrogant and narcissistic foreign malign foreign influence on the Israelite nation. And she, in her arrogance and haughtiness, brings the nation to ruin, and she persecutes Elijah for his forthrightness and his willingness to stand for the one true God against the nature worshipers, which is something to think about in these most modern of times.

In any case, Elijah is running away from Jezebel and her forces after having defeated the worshipers of nature. And God sends him to a poor widow and who, if I remember correctly, he meets by a well, and she offers to share her remaining food with him. She just has enough flour for one meal for her and her son and enough flour and oil for one meal for her and son.

But she offers to share it with this stranger, this strange prophet. And then it turns out that if she hits the barrel of flour, more flour appears and the oil magically refills so that the prophet and the woman, the widow, the poor widow, and her son subsist on virtually nothing for a very long period of time.

And you might ask, well, what does that mean apart from the, let’s say, childish magical element of it?