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The Why Files: on The Roswell Alien Interview (Transcript)

Editor’s Notes: This episode of The Why Files explores the “Roswell Alien Interview,” a fascinating story allegedly documented by Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy, a flight nurse who purportedly communicated telepathically with an extraterrestrial survivor of the 1947 Roswell crash. The narrative unfolds into a grand “space opera” involving an ancient intergalactic civilization called The Domain and its conflict with the “Old Empire,” which allegedly turned Earth into a high-tech prison for “immortal spiritual beings”. While many viewers find hope in the idea that humans are actually powerful, amnesiac spirits trapped in a cycle of reincarnation, AJ eventually deconstructs the case by tracing its origins back to the principles of Scientology and the creative writings of Lawrence Spencer. (April 11, 2026)

TRANSCRIPT:

AJ GENTILE: This episode of The Why Files is brought to you by The Wellness Company.

In 2007, Lawrence Spencer found a thick envelope in his mailbox. It was full of military documents from the 1940s. Some were routine duty rosters and schedule memos. Some were stamped top secret. But all were from Roswell Army Airfield.

Spencer also found transcripts of strange interviews. At first, they couldn’t communicate with the subject. The military brought in translators, scientists, even cryptographers, but nothing worked. Finally, they learned the only way to communicate was telepathically. And there were pages of predictions, warnings, strange technology, and a secret war. Nothing made sense.

Then Spencer found a page that explained everything. It said, “Roswell AAF, 509th Bomb Group, Alien Interview, July 8, 1947.”


UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You see, that means your baby is still alive!

HECKLEFISH: Yeah, I’m human, and I’m dying.

AJ GENTILE: You’re not dying.

HECKLEFISH: I went to urgent care yesterday with a sore throat. I sat in the waiting room for five hours. And now I got something worse.

AJ GENTILE: What do you mean, worse?

HECKLEFISH: Well, the guy next to me was coughing into the magazine basket. And I watched a woman sneeze on a vending machine and then press the button.

AJ GENTILE: That’s… yeah, that’s pretty gross.

HECKLEFISH: Oh, and the worst part is, she got nothing, too. And a kid wiped his nose on her arm. She didn’t even flinch. She just stood there and accepted it, like some kind of biological collection site.

AJ GENTILE: So, did you even get treated?

HECKLEFISH: Treated? Yeah, I saw a doctor for about 90 seconds. He looked at my throat with a popsicle stick and charged me $400. And told me to rest and stay hydrated.

AJ GENTILE: That’s it?

HECKLEFISH: $400 for advice my grandmother gave me for free. And her cure for everything was egg salad and a rosary.

AJ GENTILE: So you went in with a sore throat and came out—

HECKLEFISH: I came out with the plague. The waiting room is the disease room. I quarantined your living room. Operation Willy Wonka. Nobody gets in, nobody comes out.

AJ GENTILE: Wait, you quarantined my living room?

HECKLEFISH: Yeah. Doing temperature checks at the door. Just like grandmother taught me.

AJ GENTILE: What if you could have skipped all that? No waiting room, no five-hour disaster, no germ fountain. No going in with a sore throat and coming out with… whatever this is.

HECKLEFISH: I don’t think you just diagnosed me with a disease, Vance.

AJ GENTILE: I sure did.


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Matilda McElroy was a nurse in the U.S. Army, and she had a secret, a secret that could get her killed, so she kept her mouth shut. Then she got cancer.

With only a few weeks to live, Matilda packed up a stack of military documents and mailed them to Lawrence Spencer. She read his book about unexplained phenomena, The Oz Factors. She decided he was the only person who might take her seriously.

Her letter was handwritten and desperate. “I have kept this secret for 60 years. Now I’m 84 years old. I decided to tell this story because I think people should know the truth.”

Her story started July 8, 1947. Matilda was a flight nurse with the Women’s Army Air Force, assigned to the 509th Bomb Group at Roswell. When she got to base that morning, she knew something happened. There were armed guards at places that didn’t have guards yesterday. Unfamiliar faces everywhere. Some wore uniforms. Some wore suits. But all of them seemed nervous.

Matilda was on her way to the station hospital when two MPs asked her to follow them. They were polite enough, but she knew it wasn’t a request. A colonel met her at the entrance of a hangar. He told her that a craft came down in the desert. They recovered a survivor, but it wasn’t responding to communication. Her job was to determine if it needed medical attention.

Matilda thought it was strange he used the word, it. She had no idea what it could be until they went into a dimly lit room at the back of the hangar.

And there in the corner, sitting on a small chair, was a being.