Transcript: Alex Jones on Globalist Death Cult Fueling the Next Civil War – Tucker Carlson Show

That’s why. Yeah, that’s why they got behind the first and second world wars. And it’s why the lesson they taught us in school was that it’s dangerous to have a big white Christian country which is not actually. And they’ve systematically tried to destroy those countries and they’ve succeeded.

ALEX JONES: And Russia is a very Christian nation, very pro western and the left hates that. And so now they. Exactly. How do they turn over the chessboard when the Hollywood satanic globalist black rocket leader failing is you kamikaze the Russians in America and Europe into a giant climactic war while the globalists sit back and watch us all kill each other?

TUCKER CARLSON: Totally right. I think that’s totally right. Why are we participating in it? Why would the US government ever send long range missiles? Why would it? Basically, if we send those munitions to Ukraine, we’re at open war. We’ve been at war with Russia for three and a half years, as you know. But that would be open war. Why would we go along with that? What is going on?

ALEX JONES: It’s sleepwalking into Armageddon. Well, Europe’s demographics and financial system means the unelected EU will collapse in the next few years. It’s politically unpopular. So the political reason is they believe a war will keep them in power. And it’s delusional.

That’s the last refuge of tyrants when they’re falling is to take the country to war to try to maintain domestic control. But again, at a spiritual level, it’s absolute Satanism, it’s absolute death cult death wish that if the globalists can’t maintain control, they’ll just drag us into the grave of history with themselves.

And like so many tyrannies, they are going like the elephant graveyard or boneyard to Russia to die.

The Zelensky Question

TUCKER CARLSON: Why would the US government continue to recognize Zelensky who’s an unelected dictator who’s worked for years to destroy Christianity. Ukraine, which is a Christian country and has always been. Why would he be invited to the White House this week? I don’t understand.

When he’s. He does not have a democratic mandate, he’s not an elected leader, he’s a murderer. They’ve sold our weapons to some of the worst terror groups in the world and we’re treating him like he’s a head of state. Why are we doing that?

ALEX JONES: And just what, a few weeks ago, three weeks ago, he was back at the White House and Trump then posted True Social. And I love Trump overall, but Trump started doing a 180 from saying, we need to get out of this and saying, well, we’re out of it, but we’ll sell whatever weapons to Europe you want.

And I feel like Ukraine’s going to win and maybe not just get back its territory, but get more territory, meaning Russia, which is an extremely provocative and escalatory statement to Russia.

And we know that Putin agreed actually to the framework of what Trump wanted, but Zelensky and NATO have refused. And so we have to ask the calculus of why The President, who’s Mr. Peace Prize has done a great job helping in seven other conflicts, which I totally support. Why is he suddenly changing course? Tucker, you know a lot better than I do.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why the attraction to Zelensky? Why does our foreign policy class or donor class have this fixation on Zelensky? He’s a hero, by the way. I’ve tried to interview him like 20 times. He refused to do an interview with me. But he’s everywhere in the United States, basically American at this point. Why the, what’s the appeal there?

Money Laundering and Decadence

ALEX JONES: I think it’s the money laundering appeal and the fact that that’s where most of money laundering’s still able to go on since Trump and Doge and Elon shut down. A lot of the graft and USAID and the EPA and Department of Energy, that clearly that is a place where they can launder money and where they can go over there and be like rock stars in Kiev and have all the prostitutes.

The rest of it, reportedly, it’s Sodom and Gomorrah over there. The women are just partying. All the men, boys and old men go off to die. It’s a very sick situation. And just the heights of decadence.

We’ve heard the quote of Marie Antoinette, which they never proved. She said it. They’re about to storm the Bastille, the start of the French Revolution. And they said the peasants are all starving. They’re begging for grain, they’re begging for wheat. And she says, “Let them eat cake.” And then you saw what happened.

Well, this is literally let them eat cake. While our country’s infrastructure falls apart while millions die from fentanyl, while crime is rampant in the streets. We have all this money being sent over to Ukraine.

And look, I don’t like sending money to Israel. I’m not anti-Israel in general. I don’t. I’m not against the existence of Israel. But that sucks all the oxygen out of the room. And all people talk about is the 50,000 dead Gazans in October 7, which where clearly Netanyahu stood down. That should be investigated.

But what about the million plus conservatively dead in and around Ukraine and what about its potential and now probability on the current trajectory of escalation to lead into full world war and nuclear war? That to me is why it’s absolutely the front and center issue.

And the TV cameras are all turned on Gaza, which is fine, but the scale of Ukraine and its potential danger is in a whole other league.

TUCKER CARLSON: It is, isn’t it? That’s my sense. Why is no one saying that?

ALEX JONES: Well, I mean, I notice you get called an anti-Semite, which is absolutely preposterous and ridiculous. That’s why the Israel lobby, both AIPAC and the ADL are such jokes now.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, that’s just, that’s a campaign run out of Israel, which is a foreign country, to slander me and others. I just don’t want to go to war with Iran.

The Neocon Influence and Foreign Policy

ALEX JONES: It’s that simple. But see, you’re consistent. You apologize. You bought into the propaganda decades ago. I remember about 15 years ago you came to see me in Austin and you were kind of doing your tour of your own, you know, your apology tour that you came up with, which I admire. I made mistakes too, and done that. You said, I’m done. I was lied to about WMDs.

You said, hey, Building 7 when we first talked about that. I’ve really woken up that I was drinking the Kool Aid and I’m done. And you consistently for what, 15 years now or longer have basically the same policies I’m for.

And when I’m against Israel pulling us into war with Iran, it’s not because I hate Jews. It’s because we understand how dangerous it is and how out of control it is. And now Netanyahu’s wanted this for 25 years and helped found Hamas or fund Hamas. And you know, all of this, they just put Al Qaeda in charge of Syria. So, so you’re so, again, and you’re also not being anti Ukrainian or anti.

TUCKER CARLSON: You know, I feel so sorry for the Ukrainians. They got completely screwed by the west, as usual.

ALEX JONES: Exactly. So you’re consistent that you don’t want offensive wars with the US involved and that China is literally saying prepare for total war and expanding in the Caribbean and trying to take the Panama Canal. We don’t want war with China either. But if we’re tied up in all these wars, we don’t have peace through strength.

All hands should be on deck for China. Everything should be mobilized for China. Every real analyst knows that. And so you’re here with serious policy, serious research, serious background saying we can’t be a Netanyahu sandbox and then blowing up more countries and shipping irrelevant countries.

TUCKER CARLSON: Nine million people with no resources. Everyone loves Jerusalem and Bethlehem. That’s great. But the country itself means absolutely nothing. It’s like Malawi. Why are we spending all of our time talking about this irrelevant country? It’s like bizarre.

ALEX JONES: And that’s why I brought it up is because we do talk about it. In my view, in the real context that the ultra right wing, you know, that thinks everything’s Israel. All roads lead to Israel. I saw you talk about this a few weeks ago. It’s sick. It’s crazy. It’s not a defense. No, of course it’s a defense reality.

We have to somehow only spend 10% of our time on Israel. I mean, I mean right now. And here I am doing it, speaking. But you have to do it instead of literally. I think you talk radio and liberal blogosphere and everywhere. I think it’s like 90% is on Israel right now. And it’s sick.

TUCKER CARLSON: I know.

ALEX JONES: And I think Netanyahu likes it. He loves being the center of attention.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course, and loves feeling hated. And you know, we’re, I’m so persecuted and all this stuff. It’s like, I totally agree with you. And it’s also unhealthy. And then, you know, it does get to a place where people become hateful and that, you know, that’s not good for anybody.

Historical Context of Neoconservatism

ALEX JONES: Well, if you look at it, the Lavon affair and the USS Liberty and some other things, Israel is very capable with different leadership. It’s had two stage false flags in Pakistan. And if you really study 9/11. And at the end of the day, it was an alliance of Israeli neocons, US Neocons, that bare minimum used an attack to build a larger attack around it for the Project for the American Century to take us into the Pax Americana war in the Middle East.

And of course, and that’s where we, you know, 10 trillion dollars later, whatever it is, I think it’s 11 trillion or more are in this.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s not a theory.

ALEX JONES: I was there.

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, I shared an office space for the Project for New American Century. I worked at the Weekly Standard. So yes, that is just a fact that happened. I don’t think, I mean, if we’re reaching the point where people’s memories are so bad, that counts as a conspiracy theory, then I just give up. Does Wikipedia call that a conspiracy theory?

ALEX JONES: No, but, you know, they call it neocons. Are you talking about neocons? That’s anti-Semitic. Well, yeah, about half the neocons were Jewish, but the fact is, they’re crazy warmongers that believe the end justifies the mean.

And when you get further back, Trotsky got kicked out by Stalin and he ran to Mexico. The Stalin had him hunted down and killed by an assassin with an ice ax. And then all of his top people came to the US, became the neocons and said, we’re going to take over the Republican Party and we’re going to go to war with Russia to get back control of what’s ours.

Because Trotsky was supposed to replace Lenin when he died, but instead he got kicked out. And so it is a fact, historical fact. Even the Wall Street Journal 20 years ago wrote about it, that when you look at the Weekly Standard and you look at the neocons, they are literal Trotskyite communists from the Russian derivation that set up a neoconism.

And then you had Cheney and Rumsfeld and others that weren’t Jewish but were large parts of the neocon system. And so that’s why Netanyahu plugged into that so nicely, because he came out of the neocons in the 1970s and 80s.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, that’s all just a fact. That’s not. I mean, there’s nothing hidden or creepy about it, but saying it.

ALEX JONES: Yeah. And if the British had come over here with a group of communists taking over the Republican Party got me against it, man. My last name is Jones.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s just.

ALEX JONES: It is what it is and it’s out of control.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, I know.

The China Threat and Strategic Priorities

ALEX JONES: And now people are awake to it and that’s a good thing. And we need to dismantle, undo any foreign influence. I’m just simply saying that’s a big problem, but nothing compared to Communist China. But it becomes the biggest problem when the Israel lobby doesn’t want the pivot to Asia.

That’s taken us 16 years to do and still hasn’t happened. And instead the same lobbies are involved with Soros and the left allied, the neocons wanting a war with Russia that empowers China. It is strategically a total disaster. No one even debates that at all.

The top think tanks, as you know, this is 101, folks. This is absolute total disaster. While the dollar is getting weak. It’s why BRICS is getting stronger. This is what you do if you want to destroy America. And I agree with Tucker, at the end of the day, it’s because the evil forces above this want to destroy the West.

TUCKER CARLSON: Here’s something you may not have known back in 2015. The Congress of the United States repealed something called the country of Origin Labeling Act. Now why is this relevant to you? Well, it means among other things that when you buy beef at the supermarket that says Made in the USA it may not actually be, in fact it could be likely is from a foreign country.

It means that repackaging foreign meat can be enough to get the Made in the USA designation. It’s a lie. It’s an absolute lie. Most people don’t even know what’s happening. So how can you be sure that the meat you’re eating is from the United States and has been raised with the highest quality standards and is the tastiest is truly made here?

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The Decline of Western Civilization

Christian civilization of course the first second world wars were that, that was it. That’s not pro Hitler. I’m anti Hitler just for the record, very anti Hitler. But the effect was to destroy like the most beautiful civilization ever created by far in history, all history. And this is the final blow. It seems very, very obvious, very obvious to me and we should be aware of that as we proceed.

When gold crosses 4,000 I don’t understand why that’s not like front page because to me that maybe you’re better at this than I. But that means that the cumulative effect of everything we’re discussing has been to destroy the US dollar.

The Great Reset and Economic Control

ALEX JONES: When you read what even all Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, the IMF, the World Bank, the Ex IM Bank, it’s not even debated. They’ve decided in the last really three, four years that they’re going to deal with monetary debt worldwide both corporate, governmental, individual with inflation and Trump recognizes that and has said fine, we’ll have inflation with expansion and expansion of goods and all the economists agree that that will have some pain but overall will be something that could actually be successful.

If you have the leftist UN WEF great reset post industrial carbon tax plan, you will have stagflation, which is high inflation, but an ongoing recession depression, which is the perfect storm of hell on earth. And that is what the UN and the globalists directly want to create a worldwide serf system of more manageable slaves.

In their official policies break down the borders with first world and third world. Not to rise up the third world economically, but to lower everybody down to a level. Then the globalists say they’ll have small compact city states and rural city states like the Hunger Games where they have medicine, technology and everything and then just basically fly above us and we’re going to be put into an agrarian situation with a much reduced world population.

So that’s the official great reset post industrial June of 21, June 2030 policy. And there’s nothing more frustrating than reading all their policy books and the legislation and the treaties and then seeing it carried out, which is the purposeful plan depopulates the earth through slow starvation and resources being restricted and the conflict that comes with when resources are constricted.

Trump’s Economic Vision

And then I see Trump massively increasing energy production and then going to Saudi Arabia and having them increase energy production, which hurts U.S. oil production but helps the world in general lower inflation and get real money in the hands of people. That’s the biggest benefit in the no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, all the things he’s doing.

10 trillion committed in investment, several trillion already here. All of that is exactly what you do if you want to help the people and build a middle class and a sustainable thriving country and world, building back our morale and nationalism and the family and God, Trump gets an A plus on all of that, but he needs to get more on message and not say, oh, the left are idiots, they don’t know how to manage things.

No, the globalists admit that they want a post industrial world. That’s John Kerry said last year, we got to cut off half the farming or people will starve. That’s what causes starvation, obviously. And they want to cut the resources off so they can manage and control people.

That’s why in the Netherlands and in Ireland and in Sri Lanka all over, they’re cutting off massive amounts of the farming, taking some of the best farming land ever and saying, sorry, your cows pass gas is bad for the earth. That is deliberate sabotage of the world economy to cause a collapse.

The Feudal Future

Then the banksters can loan us more money, bring in a new cashless society, social credit score that is the end game plan. And they talk about carbon lockdowns for the earth where you’ll be told when you can leave your house. During carbon lockdowns, you’ll be told when you can leave your 15 minute city. This is a very totalitarian hellscape, dystopia sci-fi vision they have.

And Trump is 95%, I would say in opposition to it. Even with his limited understanding he by limited I mean he’s smart about the economy. He doesn’t understand it’s deliberate. And he goes, oh, they’re really dumb. These are the worst ideas I ever heard. Is that why they’re all unified? Decades getting them in place, that’s that why the big banks and corporations are exempt?

No, it’s feudalism. We don’t have resources, we don’t have rights. They all have the rights. That is the purest form of economic control. It’s been the most common form of government world history and the UN the globalists say we’re bringing back feudalism. Neo feudalistic capitalism is what they call it, but really it’s just slavery.

And that’s what we’re opposing. And that’s what the relaunch of the west is about. That’s what Elon Musk understands. And that’s why this is a do or die existential threat to everybody. People should just get on board and get hardcore or be absolute feudal slaves if you’re lucky.

TUCKER CARLSON: How do you get on board?

The Great Reset and Global Control

ALEX JONES: You understand, and you research the Great Reset and you research Larry Fink, now the head of the World Economic Forum. You realize three years ago the UN made the World Economic Forum co-equal to its governing body and its councils. And you understand if you actually read their writings, the future isn’t human. People are bad, families are bad. We’re going to have these AI gods that take over.

I mean it is just the wildest thing that Lex Luthor in a comic book couldn’t come up with. This is beyond super villain stuff. This is real super demon stuff. And you have to identify the attacks you’re under and that it’s deliberate.

Then you have to mobilize and get good legislatures and governors and others elected. Populists are getting elected all over the world. People are really waking up to this. And we have now these attorney generals winning court cases in Texas and other places where BlackRock tried to come in and say we’re not going to have any investment in your state if you don’t get rid of fossil fuels.

And then Texas sued them and said this is racketeering, this is illegal. They won the court cases. It is because Larry Fink says it’s about control and we’re going to control you. And they control us by managing our money.

Well now a bunch of states are pulling their pension funds from BlackRock and now Larry Fink is seeing a different tune, at least publicly. And they pulled some of their DEI and some of the ESG stuff, which is the corporate governance.

When you wonder why, whether you’re in Australia, Germany or the US or Canada, it’s the same policies, the same programs, the same drag queen story times, the same take a knee during the national anthem. All of this comes out of them literally trying to demoralize us because if we have a free open society, people around the world are going to want that.

And you can’t have a control group where there’s some free, prosperous western nations, everybody else slaves under BlackRock and the globalist. That’s why you’ve got to take down the west. So there’s nowhere to run.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think that’s exactly right. You can’t have different systems, radically different systems in a globalized world, can you?

1984 Versus 1776

ALEX JONES: No. And so exactly. So there’s a fight between do you want the 1984 civilization or do you want the 1776 civilization? 1776 isn’t going back. It’s back to the future. It was the flower of the Renaissance and the greatest expression of hundreds and hundreds of years of the Great Awakening and of the Enlightenment. And so it’s a continuation of that.

We have to get back to the future, back to the avant garde, back to what produces the most freedom, the most wealth. Classical liberalism of Thomas Jefferson. Now modern liberalism is totalitarian, anti-family, anti-speech, anti-self defense, anti-private property. Modern liberalism is a totalitarian death cult, transhumanist poison to sabotage human civilization. It’s a depopulation program.

1776 is the ultimate, most successful push of humans to produce the very best atmosphere of liberty and freedom and competition and empowerment. The problem is in the cycle. As you know, hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times make weak men. Weak men make bad times.

The problem is, are we good enough? It was Benjamin Franklin, right? Years later, after the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, they finally got the Bill of Rights done and he was walking out. The newspaper reporter said, “Mr. Franklin, do we now finally have our nation?” And he said, “Yes, you have your republic. If you can keep it.”

And he said, and so did Jefferson, he said you got to have informed, involved, educated people. And Jefferson wrote about this constantly. He said, not just informed about math or Latin, but you got to have people that are farmers. You got to have people that actually know how to skin a bucket around a trot line.

He said if you ever get people where they’re not physically out there able to run and control their whole lives, the so-called education doesn’t matter because they’re just educated idiots. So you’ve got to have that multifacetedness where people have to really, people think of that as work. No, it’s empowering to really try to be what Thomas Jefferson talked about.

And then when you go through what Jefferson went through, some of us have gone through similar things now, not to that extent, but close. Then you read Jefferson, you realize we’re back in that same time of change and revolution again. It’s our revolution. We have the ball. We’re selling the best system. We have the proven track record. We’re the good guys and we’ve got to stand up and make the choices clear. Plant our flag and say, this is the hill to die on and we will win. We’ve got a new partner.

Creating Chaos to Control the Population

TUCKER CARLSON: The way to derail that kind of response, that kind of consciousness is by creating total chaos in your country. And the second that happens, the second it’s dangerous to drive on I-95 or I-5, then people can’t think clearly at all, and they just become purely reactive.

ALEX JONES: Or have COVID lockdowns. Or COVID lockdowns and put masks on little kids.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly. And I think you’ve described the Trump record, right. Moving in the right direction. Flaws, but moving in the right direction. The way to derail all of that is not the midterm elections. It’s some kind of civil strife. Do you think that’s coming?

ALEX JONES: Well, Russia was right to lead off with. I didn’t know we were leading off with, but I think that was the most important thing. We didn’t really talk much for this. And the next place I wanted to go was the Podesta plan.

TUCKER CARLSON: What is the Podesta plan?

The Podesta Plan

ALEX JONES: Well, when I talk about this, I get chills because in August of 2020, Breitbart wrote about it, the Daily Caller wrote about it, but the New York Times wrote about it first. And Podesta does this big Democrat Party war game.

TUCKER CARLSON: Which Podesta? John?

ALEX JONES: John Podesta, former White House. Yep. Absolutely. And then later, the climate czar for Biden, giving up the climate money, stealing it. He comes out of this huge report. They published the whole thing, and I read it. It’s like 70 pages or something.

And they say if Trump wins in 2020, this is in August, months before which they were able to steal it. So he didn’t. He said, “We’re going to have western states secede. We’re going to have blue cities secede. But we’ll start with the western states, California, Oregon and Washington, and we’ll call it over migrants and sanctuary cities and healthcare at first,” which they’re now doing.

I’m getting chills because it’s all happening. You go to a play and you’re reading, “Oh, the next act is this,” in Romeo and Juliet. I mean, it’s all right there. And they say if he wins, we will say it’s illegitimate. We will have blue states first secede and that they’re going to be sanctuary cities for the illegals.

Then when there’s civil unrest, which they’ll furnish, Trump will send the National Guard and then there’ll be a massacre of the migrants, and then we will kick off a civil war. Then all the blue cities across the country will secede. Then New York, Massachusetts and others will secede, and we’ll form what we call the Western Alliance.

And we will, then the US Military will be with us because they control the generals. People that think that, don’t think otherwise. That was Trump’s big mistake. He found out most of them are globalist. It’s the top, not your enlisted. They’re great people.

And that they would then form a military alliance if Trump didn’t stand down and they would march on D.C. And then they made a movie produced two years ago they released last year called “Civil War.” That is the last act of the Podesta plan. That’s in a two plus year Civil War race based.

At the end they go, and the black female sergeant kills the Trumpian figure in the White House. And that’s because evil white people are out massacring brown people across the country. So the US Military reconvenes under a Gavin Newsom’s command type. And then they come in and then they take over the country and then they re-educate all the evil right wingers and evil white people.

And then I saw Gavin Newsom on Colbert about three weeks ago and he said, “Oh, we’re forming,” they hold a map up, “the Western Alliance and it’s for migrants and healthcare and we’re getting ready to go on offense.” And Colbert goes, he does that demon face and the whole crowd goes because they’re all read in on this.

We have countless videos at rallies in Austin and Denver and New York where the left goes, “Soon Trump and Homan will kill a bunch of us. And when they do, that’s when the uprising begins.” So they’re all read in on this. They all know it is the Podesta plan. They all know it’s the Western Alliance. They all know it’s the Western offense.

And so you have the Soros NGO funded No Kings events like they had on the 14th of June when the guy that worked for Tampon Tim went around reportedly killing senators and your state reps there at the state level. He later told the FBI, wrote a letter saying, “No, I did this for the Democrats. It’s a false flag.” So that Tim Walz could play victim.

He supposedly had a bunch of accomplices, but they didn’t help him. They caught his wife with a bunch of people with passports, guns and money fleeing the area. But within two hours of the attack, they had his roommate on TV saying, “Oh, he loved Trump and Alex Jones.” Isn’t that interesting? It’s all very scripted.

But my point is now you have the No Kings this weekend. And we now have Schumer on Monday went on MSNBC and said, “We need to have a forceful uprising. We need to have a forceful uprising.” What’s the exact quote? My producer’s over there.

So this is chilling. And he said he wants to keep the shutdown going at least until next Saturday, the 18th, to get the maximum amount of anger that they can get. You have Hakeem Jeffries saying similar things. So they’re not even hiding any of this anymore.

BLM 2.0

TUCKER CARLSON: So the idea is to whip their supporters into a frenzy, basically do BLM five years later.

ALEX JONES: Yes, but on a much wider scale. And so when you have, here, I’ll put the actual quote. When you actually have, because I have a poster on my wall at InfoWars. When you have these guys openly saying this. I mean, this is as big a deal as it gets. I mean, this is when Chuck Schumer.

TUCKER CARLSON: Senator Chuck Schumer for forceful uprising.

ALEX JONES: I want to get it exactly right. Forceful uprising.

TUCKER CARLSON: Chuck Schumer called for a forceful uprising.

ALEX JONES: Forceful uprising because of the indictment of Letitia James on mortgage fraud.

TUCKER CARLSON: But I mean, it sounds like Letitia James committed mortgage fraud.

ALEX JONES: Well, they’ve only gone after her in Virginia so far. New York, as you know, is even worse. And what’s crazy is we have all the public documents, total fraud, like four residences as primary residences that she says are single family homes. So there’s five people, five apartments in it. This is serious fraud. So everything she accused Trump of doing baselessly, she’s now doing. And she’s the chief.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s always the way, Alex, isn’t it?

ALEX JONES: Exactly. Total inversion. So everything they’ve accused Trump of is what they’re actually doing. And then she’s been caught and now they’re whining. CNN the other day said, “Well, everybody engages in mortgage fraud.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, I don’t. No, I don’t engage in mortgages and much less fraud. No, but it is always just like when Bill Kristol accused me of backing an ethno state.

ALEX JONES: I was like, no, I’m not the…

TUCKER CARLSON: One who backs the ethno state. So Chuck Schumer saying a forceful uprising is called. He wants a forceful uprising.

The Podesta Plan and Calls for Violence

ALEX JONES: He called this weekend for a “forceful uprising” on MSNBC. Similar to his “you’ve reaped the whirlwind” thing. You’re going to get it. So they’re obviously agitating for more violence. You see the governor candidate in Virginia after the AG candidate who’s been in the lead said, “I want to kill these state reps. I want to kill their children. I want to kill cops.” And then the other gubernatorial candidate asked the lady, “Will you decry him calling for killing members of the legislature and their children by name?” And she said, “Nope.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Abigail Spanberger. Yeah, I think it was a CIA officer at one point.

ALEX JONES: It’s totally insane. And she sits there with this bizarre look on her face. I mean, these people are doing this on purpose. And it’s called the Podesta Plan. And so I’m sure the Pentagon knows about this. The problem is most of those top generals are globalists. People don’t know they’ve been put through all the schools. They don’t get promoted unless they’re globalists. Most our generals have been bad since the 90s. They teach them at the Army War College. I’ve read these reports that literally, America needs to end. We need to be part of a world government. The communism is good.

Military Control and Constitutional Loyalty

TUCKER CARLSON: So let’s just narrow it down. If you really believe that widespread civil unrest preparatory to civil war is coming, if Chuck Schumer, one of the senior senators, is calling for it, then you really need to make sure the military is under control, that it’s not politicized, that it reports to the President as it’s constitutionally mandated to do. Like the military is the key, correct?

ALEX JONES: Yes. And I loved Hegseth’s speech, and that’s the right direction, but we need more of that. And a lot of the generals are rolling their eyes, giggling, putting their heads in their hands, and I guarantee you just go, okay, who’s that guy? Look at his record. He’s going to be a commie, a leftist.

TUCKER CARLSON: But wouldn’t you, I mean, it would be almost an emergency situation. You would need to make certain that the general officers in your military were loyal to the Constitution.

ALEX JONES: Exactly. And the left and the corporate media act like, if Trump wants prosecutions, he’s not supposed to do that. No, he’s a chief law enforcement officer. We elected him for that. We elect one man in the general election. All of us vote, have the ability to vote for only one position. And so it’s not Trump’s right. It’s his duty. It’s only the president that makes a special oath not to just protect, preserve, and defend and protect and defend like the rest of military do, but to protect and preserve and defend. He’s supposed to preserve the Republic.

So 400 troops to Chicago, 200 to Portland. This is nothing. They’re openly waiting to gear up the violence, then they’re going to false flag. I believe some of the illegal aliens are traditional black college, which I predicted this before they evacuated the traditional black colleges a month ago.

TUCKER CARLSON: I didn’t even know that. Why?

False Flags and Media Programming

ALEX JONES: And said, “Charlie Kirk supporters are coming to kill you.” Then it turned out it was a false flag. They admitted fake calls. That’s the left. Because Carville and Podesta and all of them, John Podesta have said on TV now that they’ve gone live with the Podesta plan when Trump was president elect. And then once he got in, there’s hundreds of videos of them all on there saying Carville. Now listen, it’s 1776 part two. I can’t really do his voice. Can’t do a Louisiana voice. Sorry.

He said black people got to be ready. Trump’s coming to kill you with Tom Holman. You got to have your guns and be ready. The View: “We got ready to fight and die. They’re coming to kill us” on CNN. They’ll be sitting there debating, “Yeah, Trump’s coming with the military to kill black people and Hispanics.”

Then I think, well, where could there be a group of Hispanics, an illegal alien demonstration or something that somebody from a parking garage mows a bunch of them down, blames it on some Trump supporter or where’s a bunch of black folks by themselves? Traditional black college. So I’ve been saying that for eight, nine months, seeing their programming, how they’re saying Trump’s going to kill masses of Hispanics and blacks. Well, we’re going to do a false flag, those two places and a few others.

Then a month ago, they evacuated most of black colleges for a week saying Charlie Kirk supporters are coming to kill you. Trying to piggyback on that and create this illusion that Trump supporters blamed black people for this. No, we blame, if you believe the official story, some trans supporter cult members.

So absolutely. Going back to your point, there needs to be Pentagon mobilization. Trump needs to address the nation on this. Talk about the Podesta Plan. Any of his crew, I could send it to him, can put a reel together like he did when they said no South African farmers are being killed. He just showed a five minute video, devastated him.

I can send them a ten minute clip of hundreds of clips of top Democrats saying Trump’s coming to kill the migrants, he’s coming to kill the blacks. We got to rise up, we got to have a civil war. And then I can show the quotes from the Podesta Plan laying this out. This is the official Democrat Party battle plan with production movies, $350 million budgets, Civil War promoting it.

Hollywood’s Role in Programming Violence

Now the new movie Battle After Battle with DiCaprio where it’s set in a fictional fantasy land in the US where they have this hot sex and it’s so awesome. And they go around with plastic explosives and dynamite machine guns, killing ICE officers all over the US and freeing Hispanics from concentration camps.

So Hollywood’s not making its constant Holocaust movies about World War II. They’ve moved on to the new Holocaust that isn’t happening. The first one did of just Tom Holman just machine gunning Hispanic women and raping them in dungeons. I mean, it’s like Machete Kills where there’s Don Johnson shooting pregnant Hispanic women in the stomach with deer rifles. Didn’t happen, folks.

But Hollywood is providing this background right on time for these uprisings. There’s planning because the globalists are losing. This is their last big move. And I’ll say it again, the Podesta plan. The Podesta Plan. We’ve got to get the Podesta Plan that we’re now living in the launch of in front.

So Trump’s declared Antifa domestic terrorist, international terrorist. He said they’re going up for Soros, which I know the DOJ is, that’s great. But this is the Democratic Party running it. That’s why they say Antifa doesn’t exist, because we got documents 10 years ago through Friends of Democracy and Alexander Soros, where they command them in each city, give them orders, where to attack, what to do. It is all 100% specifically road mapped out, open and shut, racketeering, domestic terrorism. Send them to prison with the documents we have.

The Logic of Violence

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, since it’s all happening out in the open, how do you, so once that starts, it’s pretty hard to pull back from it. Violence has its own logic and it makes people totally unreasonable and it does so generationally and it’s just like the worst thing ever. How do you stop that?

ALEX JONES: You have all these entitled illegal aliens. You see the videos every day where ICE has to wait outside the state courthouses or jails when they’re releasing some guy with huge rap sheet, been deported before, and his wife and baby will be in the car. And then the ICE comes over like two or three of them and says, “Hey, get out of the car. We know who you are.” They go, “No, no, no.” Then a mob comes over and starts attacking ICE.

We’ve seen these countless videos. The underdog is ICE. They’ve got less than 10,000 agents with 20 plus million illegals just under Biden here. And to answer your question, the left is so entitled that these illegal aliens aren’t illegal alien MS-13 people from El Salvador. No, they’re “Maryland man.”

And so Trump has to address it and explain to people that these illegal aliens, the Islamicist, the left, the Black Lives Matter, the Trantifa, the training Antifa, they are all in one big coalition. They all communicate with their rhetoric and their attack plans. And they’re all saying that as soon as they have the catalyzing event where a bunch of their people get massacred, it’s in movies, it’s in the Podesta plan.

I’ve got countless videos. These seem all the time we’re out at the rally, they go, “You just wait till Trump kills a bunch of us. And then once we have that pretext,” even MSNBC said, “Our constituents want blood, they want a triggering event.” I mean, they’re just like, “Once the triggering event comes, you’re all dead. We’re burning everything down and we’re coming to your houses.”

And Antifa and these other groups have targeted lists that have come out of whose houses are going to governors, talk show host, everybody. Tucker is on the list. I’m on the list. We’ve caught them outside my house, folks. Okay, I’m just going to leave it at that. I haven’t stayed at my house in months. It’s gotten that bad. I mean, I stay there.

TUCKER CARLSON: You stayed at your house?

Personal Security Threats

ALEX JONES: I don’t stay at my house anymore. My, I stay there as soon as my children don’t. Because, I mean, they’re there, it’s targeted. And as soon as they kicked us off, there are people that are first on the list that they’re planning to come get because I’m not trying to, you know this out here. You’re smart. When they really launch this, it’s not going to be them knocking your door down in D.C. It’s going to be a group of meth heads rolling up with Molotov cocktails.

And they’ve got these undercover videos in Austin and Portland and everywhere, hours of them. And it shows inside these warehouses where they give them drugs and money and food and the NGOs, and they’re just all in there ramped up and ready with guns and weapons. And then just as soon as they give them the green light, they are going to just pile in their vans and come to kill.

Think of Helter Skelter times 10,000. Think it’s the Manson family times 10,000. They’ve got Manson Family groups in every major city and most small towns, literally, that would make the cast of Chainsaw Massacre look like choir boys ready to go.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right, yeah, of course. I mean, these are the shock troops of whatever, the nihilists, the atheists. Of course. That’s always the way it works. I just, I don’t see that anything’s been done about any of this.

Crime and Racial Violence

ALEX JONES: Well, I think Trump is smart, but he’s so insulated his whole life in golf courses and the presidency and all that. He’s gone through a lot of hell, but he’s insulated seeing law and order around him and has no idea what it’s like for me personally. I mean, Austin, where I’ve lived since high school, used to be a beautiful, safe city. Everybody’s houses get invaded, everybody’s cars get broken into.

Our reporter in March just got executed in the parking lot of his apartments. And I’ve said 98% chance it’ll be a Hispanic gang banger or black gang banger, not because I’m being mean to Hispanics or blacks. Well, turned out was right on both. Mainstream media said or legacy media, “Jones puts out racist announcement, predicts Jamie White has been killed by some race based on gang of Hispanics.”

TUCKER CARLSON: This guy got murdered. But the real problem is that you’re a racist.

ALEX JONES: Yes. And then they…

TUCKER CARLSON: The real problem is he got murdered.

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. And a mile from my office.

TUCKER CARLSON: And who was it?

ALEX JONES: Well, it turned out was right on both counts. So two of them were charged with murder one because they participated. One is Hispanic and literally on his Facebook had Mexican flags and La Reconquista and take over America, down with America. The other guy cut a rap song, black guy, about how he killed that Jamie White, that white guy, F him.

So they were able to find them off their cell phone data and they were driving a stolen car when they killed him in the parking lot. But the point was, my reporter was killed and both individuals charged with murder one. The police said it’s also racially motivated because they both talked about how they love killing that white guy. So we’re told there’s not these crime waves. We’re told this isn’t going on.

TUCKER CARLSON: There’s a lot of that. There’s a lot of like, “I love to kill white people” going on and it’s tolerated and celebrated. Remember what happened with Charlie Kirk. I mean, tens of thousands of leftists just saying, “Kill his family, kill his wife, kill all the Republicans.”

ALEX JONES: And then take this attorney general candidate that’s been in the lead, Jones in Virginia. He said the same thing. They keep saying the same thing people said about Charlie Kirk’s wife. “Kill her and her kids and her parents because they’re all racist.”

TUCKER CARLSON: So he’s in the “kill the whites” is, he said…

ALEX JONES: And what he said, he said, “Kill these legislators.” And he said other names and “kill their kids.”

TUCKER CARLSON: All white legislators.

The Attack on Meritocracy

ALEX JONES: Yeah, all white. He said, yeah, kill these white people and kill their kids. And then to teach their wife a lesson. So he says, we’re literally going to leave your white women.

TUCKER CARLSON: This guy’s running for attorney general.

ALEX JONES: Yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: And I think he’s still getting, you know, 45% of Democrats supporting him.

ALEX JONES: They won’t decry him. And the reason I go back to that, folks, is we’ve been so taught it’s totally a lie that only whites can be tribal. All humans are tribal. And because whites don’t, whites don’t seem tribal at all. I was about to say, since whites have had it bred out of us to not be tribal, we’re like a dodo bird.

True story. Dodo birds, you know, they pull up at Galapagos island, there’s this giant bird, twice the size of a turkey, huge amounts of meat on it, never had a natural predator. It just walks right up the sailors. They can just whack on the head with an oar. And within a few years, there were no more dodo birds.

Anybody’s ever been around a sanctuary that has big fences around deer that have never been hunted. They just walk right up to you. Oh, yeah, it’s the same thing. So that’s how white Westerners are. It’s literally like deer being dumped out in northern Canada with wolf packs.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, I’m not. I’m white. I don’t feel tribal really at all. I never have thought that way. I mean, in fact, I’ve tried not to think that way because I think it’s, I don’t know, bad. It leads to division and war. But yeah, no, they’re the only ones who are that way. Everyone else is totally tribal, openly tribal. They’re encouraged to be tribal.

ALEX JONES: Well, that’s because in the west, the Renaissance, it was about Christianity and technical skills and what you brought at the table and a meritocracy.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: And so we. And so Christians are like, hey, we can bring in other groups if it’s a meritocracy, which you can do.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: Charlie Kirk, you know, the fake quotes are “black women can’t fly planes. They’re dumb.” Said nothing even close to that. No, he said, we don’t have a big enough pool of black women trying to be pilots. We had a big enough pool and enough training. They’re great, but you can’t lower standards. That’s not “black women are dumb and can’t fly planes.”

But that’s what they do is they misrepresent this and then they create this existential envy, the globalist trillionaire class, so that while we’re all fighting with each other, divide and conquer, they can rule over us. It’s that simple. Their big fear is the classic American system of meritocracy.

But if you get rid of the meritocracy and just say, you know, we’re going to put this guy in who’s an illegal alien in, you know, Iowa over a huge school district, and, yeah, he doesn’t have a degree of any type. And then when he got busted with guns running from the police, the left came out and rioted and protested and said, we don’t care if he doesn’t have a degree. We don’t care if he’s a liar. We don’t care if he’s illegal alien. We want an illegal alien with a criminal record who doesn’t have a high school degree being our superintendent of schools, one of the biggest school districts in the country.

I mean, they’re at war with meritocracy. They’re at war with. But, oh, there’s not a meritocracy. There’s meritocracy in the NFL and the NBA and in golf. Because in sports is the final frontier they want to get rid of. Because people can see it’s about the whole world really is a meritocracy.

And so there are people of every color and group that can excel, but you’ve got to actually excel. You get rid of meritocracy, civilization collapses. The modern west has been about meritocracy, and that is the unifier. You can have anything you want. You can be anybody you want, but you’ve got to be able to execute and perform it.

The Return to Tribalism

TUCKER CARLSON: Once you get rid of that, then you just revert to tribalism.

ALEX JONES: Absolutely.

TUCKER CARLSON: Then it’s just, I’m promoting my cousin.

ALEX JONES: Yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: Or let’s have all my friends from, you know, Delhi come here.

ALEX JONES: Exactly. And I’ve got a bigger gang than you. And so we’re going to be in charge. And then the gang squat in the ruins of the once great civilization, just like when the Visigoths and Ostrogoths sacked Rome in 410. And then it all just collapsed and grew into wilderness in a few years. And it was. Everybody left it because it was just a big, empty tomb.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, it’s the Bombay train station with trees growing out of the windows. Yeah. No, I’ve seen it a lot around the world, and that can’t happen here, but it feels like we’re moving toward that very, very quickly. So how do you stop that?

ALEX JONES: You have to recognize that the Larry Finks and others think they’re above the law. They think they’re invincible. They’ve got their big—

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s more than that. I’m sorry. They hate. They hate us. Actually, there is hatred. It’s not just neglect. It’s not just, I’m in it for the money. Larry Fink could probably have made more money without ESG, actually.

ALEX JONES: Oh, I agree. Oh, I know.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right. So it’s not it. But the point of ESG is to destroy the civilization. And what’s the point there? It’s not just so they can, like, leave in their escape pod. It’s because they hate the civilization.

Economic and Cultural Suicide Bombers

ALEX JONES: Exactly. In fact, they’re suicide bombers. Yeah, they’re economic, cultural suicide bombers. I was about to say Larry Fink once. I was flying a private jet somebody was flying with over Connecticut. They go, look, there’s Larry Fink’s giant compound. You can see the big fences and the thousands of acres and, you know, security guard stations.

The point is, he thinks he can wage war against us and that he’s going to be insulated. He’s got to be exposed. He’s got to be spotlighted, of course. And we got to let him know that we’re going to blame you. So you think you can replace Klaus Schwab because he’s so unpopular? Well, you’re going to be more unpopular than him. I totally agree. We have to admit that they’re waging war on us, but they’re doing it for a reason.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s not just to make money. I mean, I think the Sacklers are smart. They probably could have made money doing a lot of things, but instead it was selling poison to Appalachia. And at some point, you got to think, well, they knew that. Of course they knew what they were doing, and they had to have taken a certain joy in killing all those people.

ALEX JONES: At the end of the day, in 1917, British intelligence, working with a lot of Russian immigrants to New York, put a hundred thousand men into Russia and sent Stalin’s train of gold. And they took them years to control the whole country, but they got control of the capital city, and then they just sent out the commissars to the peasants, thought they were being liberated from the czars and feudalism.

And instead they said it was, you know, 20 times worse. And they just raped and killed and murdered tens of millions of them. And so at the end of the day, whatever the deal is with the left, they want to kill Christian farmers, and they want to kill Christian white farmers. But you saw the UN and that.

The Religious Component of Global Conflict

TUCKER CARLSON: That is true. You know, I spent a long time not wanting to admit to myself that that’s true. But then you just look globally, what is this, like, what connects everything? It’s a hostility to that group. I don’t know where that hostility comes from. Pretty. It’s a flawed group. All people are flawed. Every group is flawed. But that’s, you know, on par. Pretty peaceable group, actually. Kind of nice people. Like, why the hatred? And I think it’s Christianity. I really believe that.

ALEX JONES: And it’s not just kill white Christians. That’s the main target. Look at the Rwandan massacre, which the UN actually ran. If you study it in the Clintons, you were there, and it was a tiny minority. It was a minority of blacks who were Christian because they were Christian. They had all the prosperity, were successful, and they all got exterminated and wiped out, a couple million of them. And now all over the world, they’re pressuring.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is that true? I didn’t know that. That there was a religious component to the—

ALEX JONES: Oh, yeah, Christians got killed.

TUCKER CARLSON: I didn’t know that.

ALEX JONES: And the animists did it. Yeah. And the UN oversaw it. They put them in the refugee centers. What? Oh, yeah. The UN helped murder them all.

TUCKER CARLSON: So the Tutsis were disproportionately Christian.

ALEX JONES: Yes. So, yes, the minority group that was killed was disproportionately Christian.

TUCKER CARLSON: By the Hutus.

ALEX JONES: Yeah. And the Hutus were animist.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why have I never heard that before?

ALEX JONES: That was what I had guessed on at the time. It was going down and covered it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. That was 31 years ago. I didn’t know that.

ALEX JONES: And then they acted like the Clintons were helping, though. The UN, this actually came out reports even from the UN. They’d stick them in the refugee emergency center. They’d pull back at night and send in the animists to kill them. And then if some got out, the UN would machine gun them.

TUCKER CARLSON: So I knew that there were a lot of Tutsis killed in churches, but I didn’t realize that they were killed by non-Christians.

ALEX JONES: Oh yeah. And the larger thing was—

TUCKER CARLSON: Wow. Wow.

ALEX JONES: The larger thing was these big global corporations, they wanted the rare earth minerals. So they just used, obviously the animists never got any of that stuff they stole and the infrastructure all fell apart. Just like, you know, getting rid of the white world. Apartheid, not saying apartheid is good, but now it’s 10 times worse. Or Rhodesia, super wealthy, you know, then they get rid of all the white farmers. Where is it now? You know, Zimbabwe, inflation.

The Pattern in the Middle East

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. Poorest country in the world. Wow, that is absolutely wild. Why does no one ever. I first understood this during the, or began to understand during the Iraq war where, you know, it’s had this massive Christian population, including in the Baathist government, in Saddam’s government. There are tons of Christians there. And then, you know, after 20 years of war, our war, all the Christians are gone. They’re dead or they’ve moved or whatever.

ALEX JONES: Same thing now in Syria.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s absolutely right. So when I figured that out, I started to think, you know, Assad, I’ve never met Assad, I don’t know him, but I know he’s better than Al Qaeda and I know that he’s protecting the Christians. And boy, if you say that, they go completely bonkers. I said that at Fox and they were like, I mean, I’ve never been so attacked. I don’t know why it would be offensive to people to say, hey, I think we should watch out for the Christians. It’s only offensive because their whole goal is to kill the Christians. That’s why it’s offensive.

The Western Model Under Attack

ALEX JONES: Here’s the bottom line, and you know this better than I am. For viewers you’d understand this. This isn’t rhetoric. The Western model promotes freedom and justice and property and diversity of ideas and mobility. Yes, the globalists want a technocracy, scientific world dictatorship in their own words. Yuval Noah Harari, all of them go read the writings, Ray Kurzweil as well.

And so having this model, as I said earlier, having something that’s successful and free, no one’s going to want what they’re selling. So they have to get rid of it. And that’s why we have to understand that. And we have to understand that just like South Africa. No, we’re not for apartheid, but it was predicted back when they got rid of it, when you had the communists and the Soros left literally coming in. Soros was involved as you know, setting up communism and haves and have-nots and you know, nationalizing, you know, everything and doing this that it’s now literal Road Warrior hell on earth. Everything collapsing.

There’s only like 40,000 farming families left. They’re about to make them hand over the land in the middle of nowhere where their great-great-grandfathers hand dug wells 400 years ago. And then the population exploded because the whites came in and literally built infrastructure. Then Africans all over Africa and Asia, Indians all flooded there because the evil South Africa becomes this huge thing.

And then now you blow that up, it collapses. And now the globalists get the rare earth minerals and stuff. The population gets no infrastructure. They get nothing.

The Reality of World War II

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s just a colony of China at this point. It’s a Chinese colony at this point.

ALEX JONES: Exactly. And then the west and Hillary blows up Gaddafi. As you know, he invested everything with the west, came and apologized.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. NATO, the defensive alliance called NATO, went and just murdered Gaddafi for no reason.

ALEX JONES: And those that know, I mean Gaddafi, more research team, a statesman. He literally lived in a tent. 98% of the state money coming in, the oil, went to not just his people, Africa. And he was building real infrastructure, had a whole plan to link up and they then came and killed him.

And now all of Africa is collapsing because they blew up the south point and the north point. One’s Gaddafi, you know, the crazy colonel. The point was he was for the people and down here was this. And now the globals deliberately blow that up for destabilization.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. And the population will be moved here into Europe, as it already is being in Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Of course. I know, I see it so clearly.

And the funny thing is, you know, they’ve been preemptively preparing us for this by doing this whole white, you’re a white supremacist and you know you’re a racist. And when I first heard that I was confused. I never met a white supremacist in my life. I still don’t know any actually. And I don’t. There are so few racists in this country, at least in my time.

ALEX JONES: They’re labeling you.

TUCKER CARLSON: What they’re doing is they’re taking your defenses down. Exactly. So you can’t fight back. And I didn’t get that. My first thought was, why do you see everything in racial terms? I didn’t grow up thinking of things in racial terms at all, like, at all. And they do. And they do because they’re targeting a group. I mean, of course. And even now.

ALEX JONES: And when you’re targeting a group, the first thing you do is teach the group they can’t defend themselves. I mean, it’s so, I mean, look at Europe. The cardinal sin is here defending yourself if you’re white.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. I wonder what that is.

Dehumanization and Demonization

ALEX JONES: Nick Fuentes gets beat up by antifa and then he gets arrested in Portland. Yeah, so, but I was interrupting you. That’s a really important point. That they label you and demonize you to their constituents so you can be attacked. Everything taken away from you. First you’re dehumanized.

And then if, and then anything they want to do, teach your kids transgenderism, open the borders up, you’re automatically, if you stand up for yourself, a white supremacist. But then it causes what you talked about six months ago when we were in Florida and spoke right after your dad had passed, God bless him. And that was you’re really worried about a false flag against Jewish groups or something that’ll then be used or a real attack to really pass draconian speech restrictions.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: And now because everybody’s been called white supremacist, because everybody who stands up for traditional values have been called bad, a lot of them go, well, you know what? I do like Hitler then. And they don’t have enough history or content.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, that’s right.

ALEX JONES: So they don’t understand, like, look, well, that.

Hitler Was Not Good

TUCKER CARLSON: Can you just pause? And that is such a smart point. I just want to say Hitler was a total piece of shit, actually, and destroyed Europe. And why would you ever be for Hitler? I don’t really get it. But that, by the way, we should not have armed Stalin. We were not. That was totally evil.

ALEX JONES: If you had to say Stalin for total kills of people was worse than Hitler.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course, obviously. But bottom line, let’s just start here. You don’t arm Stalin, okay? Period. I mean, I don’t care what the calculation is. I’m not sending money or weapons to Joseph Stalin, who’s genociding.

ALEX JONES: And that’s what Patton said. He wasn’t pro Hitler. He just said, exactly, you should never have armed Stalin.

TUCKER CARLSON: But just because you shouldn’t have ever sent a single dollar to Stalin doesn’t mean that Hitler’s good. Hitler was a total piece of shit, actually, in my opinion. And whatever, you know, whatever he did, he destroyed Europe. He had a lot of help, but he did that.

So I don’t know why you can’t. There’s no space in between. Why do you have to, why do you have to go right from we shouldn’t have armed Stalin, which we should not have done, and it’s shameful that we did that. Anyone who calls it the good war, a war where you’re arming Stalin is not a good war. It’s a shameful war that you should repent of. But you don’t have to go right to I love Hitler. Right.

ALEX JONES: Well, that’s the thing is you had competing totalitarian systems. You have the fascists, you have the communists.

TUCKER CARLSON: How about neither one?

ALEX JONES: How about neither one?

TUCKER CARLSON: What the fuck?

ALEX JONES: Well, that’s the thing. I mean, if you really read what Hitler himself wrote, it was all about a struggle. And he said if all the Germans die doing this and fail, they deserve to die. And so I just hate that right there.

TUCKER CARLSON: I hate sacrificing your own people, sending boys to go die in the defense of Berlin. You’re losing. Why are you sending boys to go die? Fuck you. That’s, sorry. Sorry.

False Choices and Historical Manipulation

ALEX JONES: No, no, it’s, nobody was. You’re actually learned, though, so. And I don’t mean the pop anti Hitler stuff, but the real things. And so that’s my issue, is people are all black or white. They’re all very monochrome. And here’s an example. Do you want a black widow or a brown recluse to be put in your bed at night?

TUCKER CARLSON: Neither.

ALEX JONES: Yes, but we don’t have to.

TUCKER CARLSON: So that’s the part that freaks me out.

ALEX JONES: What?

TUCKER CARLSON: Why would we ever put ourselves in a position where it’s arm Stalin, be close allies with Joseph Stalin who murdered tens of millions of Christians.

ALEX JONES: Uncle Joe.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. Or B for Hitler?

ALEX JONES: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: How about no and no? Like what? That’s the, that’s the worst and fakest choice in world history. Like, you don’t have to participate in that.

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. So that’s the issue is.

TUCKER CARLSON: So who’s telling me I have to participate in that 80 years later?

ALEX JONES: Oh, then it gets worse. You have the ADL that keeps World War II going in our minds and now says white America is Hitler.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. Basically the people who liberated the camp in, in our little town, really little town, where we’re sitting right now, there’s a.

ALEX JONES: War memorial and a bunch of guys.

TUCKER CARLSON: From this little town died fighting Hitler, which, you know, I’m against Hitler. Okay, but to then call that country responsible for what Hitler did. I mean, it’s too much. I can’t deal with it.

The Consequences of Demonization

ALEX JONES: I mean, I’ve had the ADL and stuff calling me a Nazi years ago. And I just sit there and I look at it. They know exactly what they’re doing and it’s so cheap. And now they see what it’s done, it’s blown back on them. Where now you’ve lied so much and demonized so many good people. Now a lot of people think, well then Hitler must be great. Because if you’re calling me Hitler and I’m not, well then Hitler must be good because they’re not educated.

And I mean, I can tell you it’s a long story, but my dad’s dad was in North Africa and flew his 22 missions. And then once they took Italy, he volunteered for another 22 missions, B-17. And then they attacked their base. They got strafed and stuff. And he got a Purple Heart, so luckily couldn’t captain and then his group went up the next week and all got killed. And then finally he stopped volunteering. So he only made 22 missions.

But he then as an officer got put in charge of food, trains and you know, food supply. And he described to my dad, never really told the stories about all the starving Italians he saw and the death and how it really freaked him out. And then later going into Germany and just dead bodies just from disease and starvation. Dead bodies as far as you could see. Blackbirds eating people’s eyes out. Just stuff out of total hell. And that was the reality he saw about World War II.

Then my other grandfather was also the Army Air Corps. And but he, long story short, he didn’t see a lot of action because a technical thing. The plane crashed, he almost died. So he luckily lived because he had problems early on and didn’t see a lot of action.

TUCKER CARLSON: Was World War II a win for anybody?

ALEX JONES: Well, the British did start that one.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, of course, of course. The one group that doesn’t get the credit they deserve for making the world worse for the Brits.

ALEX JONES: Oh they. Well even, even I’d like to see.

TUCKER CARLSON: More anti British conspiracy theories on Twitter.

Family Stories from World War II

ALEX JONES: Personally I can listen. They’re really, their system of manipulation is really the problem. But the reason I was going on a long story was my, just real fast I told Kanye this a few years ago. He’s who cares about your grandfather? But my mom’s dad was on one side of his family German, you know, still spoke German the other side. His mom was old Texas family up in Dallas. They were wealthy, so they lived next to the inventor of refrigeration. And he worked for him as an apprentice when he was a teenager.

And later he went on to play UT football and, you know, went and joined the Army Air Corps, World War II. But he knew about the Germans. He wasn’t in the Bund in the 30s, but went to some Bund meetings. You know, the German American Bund.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, yeah.

ALEX JONES: Hitler was on the radio. Time magazine, a good guy. They were German. They went and, you know, saw some of it. But towards the end of the war, the inventor of refrigeration, who’s like a trillionaire there, a hundred billion a day, committed suicide. And he was German, and they had his family in Germany, and it sucked all the money out of him during the war and still killed his family at the end of it.

So that was the kind of stories I got about Hitler from my grandfather was inside baseball, about how the German community in Dallas, the really rich ones that had German family in Germany, Hitler was literally holding them hostage and sucking all the money. Oh, German Americans. And then still killing them, you know. So those are firsthand, you know, from family experiences, what Hitler did. And these people that love Hitler have no idea what a monster he was.

American Exceptionalism and Missed Opportunities

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. And I feel like we really missed our chance to exercise genuine American exceptionalism. You can say, you know, in 1941 and say, we’re just not for totalitarian systems. We’re not going to support, well, it would have been in 1939. We’re not going to do Lend Lease. We’re not going to support your totalitarian system, Joseph Stalin. Sorry. We’re not for Hitler. We’re not for Stalin. We’re America. We’re for us.

That didn’t seem to occur to anybody other than Charles Lindbergh and the majority of the American population that supported that plan. And they’ve been slandered ever since. They, you know, ever since.

ALEX JONES: And they kidnapped Lindbergh’s baby and all of it to teach him. And so imagine the Russians and the Germans would have just spit each other out. They would have exhausted each other. The Soviet Union probably would have fallen. The Nazis would have fallen. I would imagine we could have gone in there with just an expeditionary force at the end of it, cleaned it all up as liberators, but instead we got right in the middle of it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. Or how about you tell the family, you know, the moms in this town with their son. Their son died fighting alongside Stalin’s forces. I mean, really. So hateful. What happened to Kanye? Do you still talk to him?

ALEX JONES: No, he. I don’t think he’s a bad person. I think he’s disturbed.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

The Kanye West Interview Incident

ALEX JONES: And I think he got screwed over in business. I think a lot of what he said was true, but he’d be like, “I’m flying to Austin to come on the show.” And then halfway through, he’d call up and say, “I think they’re going to kill me. I’m turning back.” And then next time, a couple times he said that I didn’t believe he’d be there.

So he flies in one night, I take him to a nice hotel. He doesn’t like it, leaves middle of the night. I didn’t babysit him. I dropped him off left, and he went to some downtown hotel. Next day, my show starting, 11am Central, and I’m like, okay, I see it in Vaughn. That’s fine. Start my show. He pulls up wearing a gimp mask. And I said, “Look, you can wear it for a while, but you take it off.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you have a lot of guests with gimp masks on?

ALEX JONES: No, I don’t. And so he just goes on and says he loves Hitler over and over again. Which I guess it like, presses on the nerve of edge lording.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: No. So it’s like, “I’m being bad. I’m being bad.” That only goes so far. And then I think I understood why he was wearing the mask.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why?

ALEX JONES: Well, after the show, he goes back there and pulls the mask off to eat salad. And the pupils were just pure black.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, what’s that from? Just being high.

ALEX JONES: If someone comes, I mean, six, seven hits Ecstasy, I think might do it. I don’t know. I didn’t. I mean, I was like. He was. I mean, I’ve never seen anybody with pure black pupils.

TUCKER CARLSON: Really. He was.

ALEX JONES: Yeah, he pulled it off. It’s like glowing. It was just. And I was like. He sitting there eating a salad, and I went, “Oh, now I now understand what’s going on.” I mean, I don’t know, maybe. Maybe a bunch of methamphetamine mixed with acid they say could do it. I don’t know. I looked it up. It’s hardcore. Drugs can do that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Wow.

ALEX JONES: I’m trying to be mean to him. I felt like I was actually. Oh, no, you’re not being mean. I felt like I was being abusive, even letting him on air, you know, when it was. Because he was obviously out of his mind.

TUCKER CARLSON: And that was kind of the last. That was the last anyone really, really heard from him. That was. It kind of. That was the end of Kanye, I.

ALEX JONES: Think he’s like, “I’m going to take the mask off now.” He just pulls it off. And I was just like. Because it’s like a boardroom thing. Table, harsh light. And I’m standing right there, and he’s sitting there, and I’m watching him just like. And I was like, wow.

TUCKER CARLSON: So there was no one around him who cared enough to keep him off the air in that state, it sounds like.

ALEX JONES: Yeah, well, you know, he comes in wearing the mask. I’m like, “Hey, I don’t think I’m doing this. I’m fine. I’ll take it off in a minute.” And then he go. It goes in there, and I go, “Take it off.” “No, I’m not taking it off.” And it was just, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. Like, hit the button. Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. You know, it’s like, you can. You can rig up, I guess, cocaine for, like, a pigeon or a rooster or whatever. They’ll just hit the button, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. Eating it forever. And I. I was just like. And like, that’s the problem with getting those guys on the air, because I’ll have mom for a debate. But it’s literally. They just go. Any of that. They go, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. It’s like.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s like.

ALEX JONES: It’s like. They just think. It’s, like, doing something. You’re just sitting there. Oh, this is really boring.

The Problem with Hitler Worship

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, there’s. It’s not that. I totally agree with you and dumb. And also, you want to be on the side of, like, decency and kindness and life and, you know, babies. Like, you don’t want to be on Hitler’s side. You want to be on a good side.

ALEX JONES: I mean, Hitler people, they’ve studied him. I mean, he was a war hero. World War I. Got gassed a bunch. Won the Iron Cross first class. Iron Cross, second class. That’s the Congressional Medal honor. He was a war hero. That’s. You know, and then he has a hallucination that he’s going to rule Germany and have the Götterdämmerung Battle of the Gods. The next time he gets gassed and has this vision, and then. And then he decides it’s total war and all the rest of this stuff. And, you know, and if the Germans don’t succeed, all of them deserve to die. I mean, he wrote all this stuff, I mean, this is lunatic stuff.

So I’m sorry, I don’t think black tanks and black uniforms and skull caps and total war is cool. It’s like 14 year old kids listen to Slayer. It’s okay when you’re 14, but this is not like something we really want to do.

TUCKER CARLSON: But it’s also a kind of occult tinged.

ALEX JONES: Oh, it’s beyond. It’s very satanic.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay. So I’m against that. Yeah, he should be against that.

ALEX JONES: Plus all these people that are attracted to that. I mean, okay, the Germans were like followed orders and were ready for it and they got their asses killed. Like, the people trying to act like that today couldn’t hold a candle to.

TUCKER CARLSON: The farmer Germans to the 6th Army. Yeah, yeah.

ALEX JONES: I mean, like you like which were like the best. So I mean, you guys are literally. I like interview with the British Roman Museum and they got William the Conqueror’s helmet.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: And you put the helmet on. You’re not William the Conqueror.

TUCKER CARLSON: Just.

ALEX JONES: You put the helmet on. No, so I’m just saying I see all these wimps attracted to the power and the evil of it. Like, yeah, the Germans really wore it and they really did it. They really stepped into the office of the oven and they got destroyed. So I’m just saying, you guys all flirting with it have no idea. I’m just. It’s not good.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, it’s not good. So what should. Kanye never called you after that?

ALEX JONES: Oh, I think he called me some. I mean, you know, Kanye’s a great guy, but I can’t have hour long conversations.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right?

ALEX JONES: I mean, we talk sometimes like two minutes.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: What’s it about? You know. Okay, great. I mean, you know, just long. “Well, what, Alex, what do you think about them Jews?” And I’m just like, yeah, okay. It’s like jacking off, talking about Jews. It’s the fetish of Hitler and the Jews all day. If Jews are doing something bad, I’ll oppose it and try to block it. But I oppose what the Chinese are. I don’t like obsess over Chinese people because easy things evil.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right.

ALEX JONES: You know, I don’t obsess over Jews just because Netanyahu is evil. And I don’t give it that power. I just oppose the policy.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think that’s. You don’t give it that power. That’s exactly right.

ALEX JONES: And I’m not trying to be mean. You’re asking the questions about Kanye. No, no, I.

TUCKER CARLSON: Because I think there is a smart guy underneath a lot of that. And I think, you know, Drugs are really bad.

ALEX JONES: He’s on drugs? Yeah, I mean I’m on nicotine right now, so.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, but that’s not. I mean that’s a life. That’s a life enhancing drug. I’ve used it before, so. But do you know what happened to him? Like he just kind of disappeared.

ALEX JONES: I just know he trots around that super hot water, super hot wife of his and half negative.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, that’s not good.

ALEX JONES: No, it’s debasing of her.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, exactly. It will end of him. It’s his wife.

ALEX JONES: Yeah.

Transition to Other Topics

TUCKER CARLSON: So I know you hate talking about this but I’m just, I want to, I want you to explain what’s happening with what I think is.

ALEX JONES: Let me do this first because I got the great Tucker Carlson here.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, yeah.

ALEX JONES: I’m always a little Star Trek because I love you so much. How much time we got? Because I want to hit the real building 7. I also want to hit some transhumanism AI stuff. How much time we got? I know you’re busy.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m not that busy.

ALEX JONES: You got super huge important meetings.

TUCKER CARLSON: We got like an hour.

ALEX JONES: Okay, good. Can I take a 5 minute break?

TUCKER CARLSON: Got to.

ALEX JONES: And then I’m going to answer every question you got. I want to answer them all.

TUCKER CARLSON: Perfect, thank you. We’ve got a new website we hope you will visit. It’s called Newcommissionnow.com and it refers to a new 9/11 Commission. So we spent months putting together our 9/11 documentary series. And if there’s one thing we learned, it said in fact there was foreknowledge of the attacks. People knew. The American public deserves to know. We’re shocked actually to learn that, to have that confirmed. But it’s true. The evidence is overwhelming.

The CIA for example knew the hijackers were here in the United States. They knew they were planning an act of terror. In his passport there’s a visa to.

ALEX JONES: Go to the United States of America.

TUCKER CARLSON: A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, “to document the event.” How did he know there would be an event to document in the first place? Because he had foreknowledge.

And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the company who planed to the attackers used on 9/11 as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks. They made money on the 9/11 attacks because they knew they were coming.

ALEX JONES: Who did that?

TUCKER CARLSON: You have to look at the evidence. The US government learned the name of that investor but never released it. Maybe there’s an innocent explanation for all this, but there isn’t, actually. And by the way, it doesn’t matter whether there is or not. The public deserved to know what the hell that was. How did people know ahead of time? Why was no one ever punished for it?

9/11 Commission. The original one was a fraud. It was fake. Its conclusions were written before the investigation. That’s true and it’s outrageous. This country needs a new 9/11 Commission, one that actually tells the truth, that tries to get to the bottom of the story. We can’t just move on like nothing happened.

ALEX JONES: 9/11 Commission.

TUCKER CARLSON: Something did happen. We need to force a new investigation into 9/11. Almost 25 years later. Sorry. Justice demands it. And if you want that, go to Newcommissionnow.com to add your name to our petition. We’re not getting paid for this. We’re doing this because we really mean it. Newcommissionnow.com

Trump and the COVID Vaccine

So Trump got the vax, the COVID vaccine.

ALEX JONES: That’s right. Last week he bragged when he got his medical exam that he got the new experimental flu shot and the Pfizer booster, which his own HHS had basically said don’t give to pregnant women and women and adults and that they’ve proven erases your immune system is absolutely horrible. But after he had Albert Bourla a few weeks ago at the White House praising Pfizer, he’s now gone on and gotten it as a PR stunt. So that really pissed off Trump’s constituents and we, you know, we hope he didn’t really take it because we need the big guy.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, yeah, and I think there’s. Unless I’m misreading it, there’s seems like a legitimate and very large study out of South Korea that shows a connection between the COVID vaccine cancer because of the effects on the human immune system and turns it off when some cancers are opportunistic and a low immune system invites cancer. I mean, that’s why AIDS patients, you see it. Kaposi sarcoma. So I don’t understand that. Do you think it was real?

ALEX JONES: If I had to speculate on a conspiracy theory. Pure speculation. Bourla was there a few weeks ago. He did that $75 million deal to lower drug costs, which is a good thing. Trump got. And they said, “Hey, we got some bad PR. Why don’t you say you took the shot?” But I’d have to purely speculate. You talk to Trump a lot more than anybody else. Pretty much. So maybe you can ask him why the hell he did that?

The Vaccine Debate and Public Health Concerns

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you know anyone who has taken it? I mean, who would take that? I mean, it’s poison, obviously. Poison.

ALEX JONES: I think there’s 2% uptake on the boosters now, and it’s no longer recommended by HHS, which means it no longer has liability protection. So, again, that is Trump who would say at the rallies, “Oh, take your shot.” They would boo him. So he quit doing it. And so it’s things he does like that. And then some Trump supporters think we’re in a cult. They go, “You don’t criticize anything Trump does.”

No, all the time we do. Like when Bondi said, “Let’s pass hate speech laws,” that’s what the ADL wants, Southern Poverty Law Center. People got pissed. She reversed herself that day. So, no, it’s good for the constituents. When we see something wrong, we put Trump in there to carry out our operations, to restore the public, not to take experimental GPS.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s not an attack. I mean, I’m sure you’ve had times in your life where you’ve been off on some lunatic tangent and people you love, members of your family are like, “Hey, we love you. Don’t…” It’s certainly happened to me a million times. People I love are like, “I don’t think it’s a good idea whatever you’re doing.” And you’re grateful for that, right?

ALEX JONES: Well, that’s absolutely so. But if I smoke a cigar, a few, you know, here and there is bad for you, but you smoke a lot of them, you’ll, you know, you might get lip cancer or something.

TUCKER CARLSON: Really? I don’t believe that.

ALEX JONES: I’m not here saying, kids, you should smoke cigars. You know, the difference is Trump is up there doing it, so it’s just another one of those things he does. Like, “I think I’ll give cruise missiles to Ukraine.” It makes you wonder what’s going on sometimes. I’m glad we don’t have Kamala Harris, let’s get that straight. But I am a little concerned.

TUCKER CARLSON: What is going on?

ALEX JONES: Well, everybody knows Trump’s really weird, in a good way, in a lovable way. But he does so much good, and then he does so many just really bizarre zigs and zags that sometimes you just have to ask what’s happening. But you know that video over a year ago of him and Kennedy, right before Kennedy endorsed him a year and a half ago, that somebody shot of him on speakerphone, Kennedy with Trump.

And Trump’s like, “Well, maybe it is too big a shot. And maybe the kids shouldn’t take it. Maybe you’re right. You know, Bobby.” That’s the Trump we need, not the Trump, “Oh look, I took my shot. It’s so great.” Plus the flu shot, they admit. Look this up. They’ve never in 50 years the flu shot predicted the right mutation for that year’s flu and it lowers your immune system to the next year’s flu.

The Flu Shot Controversy

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, the flu shot paralyzed a relative of mine, a close relative of mine, briefly paralyzed, waist down, paralyzed period. That a flu shot.

ALEX JONES: Did that fact paralyzed Kennedy’s larynx?

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah. So I don’t know what. And is there any evidence the flu shot, you know, reduces overall mortality?

ALEX JONES: You can look this up. It has never worked. It is an absolute total fraud. They’ve never picked the right mutation for it. And so if it’s not the exact mutation, it doesn’t work.

TUCKER CARLSON: So over, but over the population, there’s no evidence that the flu shot, which you could get at your grocery store, the nurse’s office or wherever at work, that it has reduced the number overall of dead people in the United States in a given year? No.

ALEX JONES: And to show what fraud statistics are. So who knows? Remember the first year and a half of COVID, zero flu deaths basically, which is normal. About 30,000. They took that number, said that wasn’t, there was no flu death, but it all became COVID death.

The Case Against Gain of Function Research

TUCKER CARLSON: So given how obviously discredited science has been in the last five years where normal people are like, “I don’t know what this is, but I’m against it.” Wouldn’t now be the time to mandate a total halt to any Frankenscience underway where we’re trying to create life or clone people or change the human genome. Gain of function, which is now like universal, gain of function didn’t go away. Gain of function became much more popular after the creation of the COVID virus.

ALEX JONES: That’s right. Instead of being illegal, they’re just in mass doing it, even though it’s still illegal. And now they’ve got self-replicating DNA vaccines. They’ve got stuff far worse according to all the experts. And Kennedy did ban thimerosal, mercury in shots. He did point out that the Tylenol lowers blood brain barrier, that when you take a vaccine with it, it’s even more dangerous, especially in boys who have weaker blood brain barriers.

He did recommend fluoride be taken out of the water. Pam Bondi at DOJ blocked that, not trying to imagine Bondi, she just keeps popping up and he is doing a lot of really, really great things, not making the COVID shot recommended so that they’ll stop pushing it. And then you’ve just got Trump working kind of at loggerheads against Kennedy, who I would say has gotten more done than I thought he could.

I think Kennedy is a shining light. So is Tulsi Gabbard with the resources they had, Tom Homan and the Border Patrol and ICE, they’ve really done a great job because their system had been dismantled, as you know. But I would say ending a lot of conflicts, A plus on that. But expanding the Russia operation, terrible. Getting jobs back to America, I’d say great job.

But Trump needs to know that the American people have rejected Big Pharma and they’re tired of it. And they hate Albert Bourla, they hate Anthony Fauci. We don’t need to be seeing Albert Bourla, who’s just as hated as Fauci at the White House. We need to see Fauci and Albert Bourla indicted for the things they’ve done.

Vaccine Liability Protection

TUCKER CARLSON: Why not just strip immunity from the vaccine makers? Wouldn’t that, we have a system in place that’s been in place for my whole life where if you’re making a consumer product that hurts people, you can be sued. And so people who make consumer products try to make them safe because there are consequences to selling poison.

ALEX JONES: That’s exactly what should be done. And that’s the 80s.

TUCKER CARLSON: But that’s like simple. That’s super simple. Like, why not? It’s only been 19, I mean, I remember 1986 was 39 years ago. It’s not that hard. This is not like in the Constitution that vaccine makers have, you know, blanket shield immunity.

ALEX JONES: And now they’re calling gene therapies vaccines. You know, they change the definition. So now anything they want to inject in you, they claim some vaccine and liability protection. Well, that’s why Kennedy removing the recommended status by HHS and FDA, when you do that, it technically removes the protection of the liability protection.

But then that’s why suddenly now the Pfizer mRNA shots warns you that it can kill you. Remember at first it was a blank piece of paper for the first time ever.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: The first year of the rollout that they just had the name of the shot. The company wouldn’t tell you that piece of paper that comes with the shot container, you know, the ampule, blank. But now it says a bunch of stuff can kill you. Watch out. It’s up to you. So instead of them pulling it from the market, when liability protection actually was taken, you read the fine print. They just put in the fine print, “It can kill you now,” which also protects them.

TUCKER CARLSON: I knew that. I know someone who was killed by it and his family couldn’t sue. Do you feel a rise? Do you feel like people are talking about God and spiritual matters more than they did 10 years ago? I mean, clearly they are. Where’s that going?

DMT, Hallucinogens, and Spiritual Warfare

ALEX JONES: I saw you with a guest a few weeks ago. Talk about this is well known. I talked to everybody that’s done it. I haven’t done it. Almost everyone that takes DMT, either from the toad or the ayahuasca plant, these creatures show up that look like court jesters or space aliens, different things, and say, “There are too many humans. You need to wipe out the population. Then you’ll become gods.” It’s just the same message. And they’ve had groups of people, they’ve done studies.

TUCKER CARLSON: You need to wipe out, you need to kill people so you can become God.

ALEX JONES: Yes. You need to depopulate and you need to transcend.

TUCKER CARLSON: Do you know people who’ve heard that message?

ALEX JONES: Oh, absolutely. They’ve had whole groups and studies that have had group hallucinations of this.

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, I don’t know. I’m not the most spiritually sensitive person. I’m hardly a theologian. But if some demon is telling you to kill people so you can become God, like, we can say that’s bad, right?

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. And the people that, then you’re talking about tech heads who, you know, microdose or big hallucinations and big into hallucinogenics. When they get more advanced and deep into it, then most of them have talked about this, then the things start giving them more ideas and explaining the system they’re going to build, the AI, the takeover and this new species and how again, you’re going to transcend death.

And so we’ve all got to have a larger question there. So they say the Devil’s greatest trick was convincing the world he didn’t exist. I think that’s the second biggest trick. I think convincing the world that good doesn’t exist is the Devil’s biggest trick.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes. Yes.

ALEX JONES: Can you…

TUCKER CARLSON: Can you find, I think that, I’m not exactly sure what you’re saying, but I know that you’re telling the truth right now.

ALEX JONES: Can you…

TUCKER CARLSON: Can you?

The Power of Hope and Spiritual Awareness

ALEX JONES: Well, convincing us that there isn’t anybody good and that you don’t have power and that it’s all over and we are the Borg, you will be assimilated. The biggest trick is hopelessness. When we’re promoting truth and justice and honor. And we can’t just dial into demons and fallen angels. We can also dial into God and get that message. But you first have to recognize that good and evil exist.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

ALEX JONES: And once you recognize that we are ethereal beings, that we are just manifesting ourselves in the third dimension, that all these people that are even atheists have these near death experiences that come back with the same message. I mean I personally in my life have had so many times where I’m literally told something and it comes true and it just comes from God.

And so I know this is real. We are a lot more complex than just what our eyes and ears and you know, taste and touch pick up. And when you really actually study the globalist, none of them are atheists, they’re into the occult.

TUCKER CARLSON: Exactly.

ALEX JONES: And they believe they’re interfacing. Even at Skull and Bones at Yale, they get in these coffins for days. They try to get these spirits to come into them, they try to channel these spirits. You’ve got the heads of Skull and Bones there in the last few days, seeing who’s able to interface with this. These are real rituals that are part of activating parts of the mind so that people can see past the veil.

And again they’ve now been able with robots and computers and wires in the brain, as Elon’s talked about decades ago. This was already done. Your eyes narrow the light spectrum because there’s so much going on that if you saw the infrared and everything else would be too confusing. But now with hallucinogens and other things, they have been able to prove that people can actually see past the veil into basically other dimensions.

And so that’s really what this is. We have to admit to ourselves that what we see and taste and you know, touch and everything is a very small piece of actually what’s going on. And that’s that wider world. And people have to, once they understand that, that there is this wider battle going on, then you realize, “Oh my God, God’s real. I better choose God or I better choose the devil.”

And, but the people are kind of embedded into this, just grow up in it. And just for the corporate media and life, they get trained into the evil side never knowing they really had a choice. But almost everybody, if they’re given a choice early enough, will choose God that right way. The problem is the system on earth knows that.

So the priest class in Christianity or Islam or Judaism, any of it, most of it’s bad priests, bad churches who know the powers there know people are looking for God, know they’re seeking. So they’re there basically to get the power from you instead of you basically transcending spiritually. And so that’s why Christ talked about the relationship with God is personal.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

The Kingdom of God Within Us

ALEX JONES: And the kingdom of God is within us. The New Agers go, “Oh, you are God.” No, kingdom of God is within us. We’re made in God’s image. We have the potential to know God, to interface with God. Let’s worship God and then through that begin to transcend to a higher consciousness, interfacing with God, not God, but with God and then part of God.

Recognizing Good in a World of Evil

TUCKER CARLSON: So the gift is to see good, and I do think that’s the trick because I mean no one needs a tutorial on evil. It’s all around us. It’s super obvious. It no longer disguises itself. Abortion for the sake of abortion. Like what is that? It’s human sacrifice, just Canaanite.

ALEX JONES: And the DNC doing abortions inside of it, completely.

TUCKER CARLSON: For the sake of abortion, not to improve the life of the girl or she’s a 14-year-old rape victim. It’s just like, no, abortion is inherently good because it’s killing a person. That is all out in the open now. Nobody is confused about its existence.

What you don’t get a lot of is the recognition that good is a more than equal, it’s a larger and opposing force. God is bigger than Satan. And you don’t get that sense. Like nobody talks about that. You don’t see it. How do you find that?

The Corruption of Religious Institutions

ALEX JONES: So many people purposely get turned off of the system by going to a church, whether it’s Catholic, Protestant, any of it. And I’m a very empathic person. So growing up I would feel at churches and you get invited here or there, really creeped out, not by the parishioners, but by the people in the system are trained. Because that is for sure where I feel the strongest demonic energy is in a lot of these big churches and all these big things, because that’s where the devil’s sending his forces and it’s energetic.

But Christ criticized the Pharisees, Sadducees constantly. Said you go pray up on the hill in front of everybody. You talk about how perfect you are all day, but really you’re of your father the devil in the synagogue of Satan, or you call it black Sabbath or whatever. And it happens in Christian churches, happens to Judaism, it happens everywhere.

And if you look at later Judaism, it’s not just the Old Testament, the Torah, others, over 30 other books that they say, you know, the rabbinical teachings are just as important. And it runs the gamut from some sects that you can call very pious and close to God to others that are outright Satanism. And you see that the Christian denominations, all the things that call themselves Christian, you know, that really are.

Christ said, “Beware things that call themselves of God, but are not, are the synagogue of Satan.” Well, there weren’t Christian churches then. The churches were synagogues. But it goes for synagogues, churches, anything that you got to be really close to God, the Holy Spirit, lest you be deceived. And so that’s really where it all is. And it comes down to your spiritual inclination.

But I just recommend with people, personal relationship with God, praying to God, saying, “I want to be good. I want to recognize truth. I want to know what truth is. I want to open myself up to you. I’m imperfect. I repent for what I’ve done. And I want you to cleanse me and then show me the truth and then show me how to be a better person. And then show me after that what the mission is you have for me.”

And literally, if you do that through a process, it may take days, may take months, may take years, then the adventure begins. And then all of a sudden you’re being given intel and stuff, and literally just you have to learn to go with it. It’s never wrong. And it’s God and it’s there, and it’s your personal relationship.

And then obviously people get this relationship. They all want to teach other people and God says, “Get together in groups, that’s great.” But Christ didn’t try to go get the Sadducees, the Pharisees, the priest class to join him. He said their minds were closed. He went to the prostitutes and the tax collectors and the robbers, the thieves, because they were already outcast. But that’s where he found people that were already under evil’s control but weren’t arrogant about it, who were looking for a way out.

And so, I mean, I think that’s really what it comes down to, is a spiritual relationship with God. And there are some real churches and things.

Finding Truth in Unlikely Places

TUCKER CARLSON: But don’t you find that, I know I have found that you see sparks of this in the most unlikely people. If you put a list on paper of the people in your life, I won’t ask you to say it out loud, but who you really trust or you talk to and you groove with them and they know exactly what you’re saying. You know, they are on the same wavelength in some deep way. It’s not the people you would expect. Do you, have you ever noticed that?

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. I mean most people get into media because they want to be movie stars. Most people become a preacher because they want to be famous and have power. And then you’ll find just the most normal, unassuming person that has all this great knowledge. Yes, because they already have all the power. They don’t need power. And so it’s just they’re connected to God’s power.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is that what you mean?

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. And I mean it’s quite the quest because so many people are lost and really it’s an inside job. They’ve got to somehow open up the channel to God and then they’ll see everything that’s happening and then God will give them a message and a mission of what they should do.

And I don’t want to say all churches are bad because there’s a lot of good people in the churches regardless. It’s just that the last 120 years the Rockefeller Foundation with the ecumenical movement and all of that has really moved into the churches. We see that with all the rainbow flags and all, you know, the famous cathedrals in England now festooned with all the leftists, you know, graffiti and garbage.

I mean it’s been captured is my point. But people can’t get turned off by that and say, “Well God’s dead.” No, no, Satan has occupied these so-called temples. But God isn’t in the temple. God is inside us.

The Future of Religious Institutions

TUCKER CARLSON: Do the temples get torn down? Like did the last vestiges of the old civilization get erased and Christians start anew? Like what is this? How does this unfold?

ALEX JONES: I think, I mean I think that’s up to how God influences everybody. I think we could over time retake those things. But the Satanists and the leftists, the power hungry, they think if they can take over the skin of something and occupy it, yes, that they can fool people that are looking for God, but that’s actually triggering the great awakening.

So I think some of the buildings get torn down, some of the buildings get retaken. But at the end of the day, you know, God’s temple is with us.

TUCKER CARLSON: It doesn’t matter.

ALEX JONES: So it doesn’t matter.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right. So Westminster Abbey is not where God lives.

ALEX JONES: No.

Discouragement and Hope

TUCKER CARLSON: Now, that’s so important to remember. Do you get discouraged? Do you ever think it’s hopeless?

ALEX JONES: No, because it’s all in God’s plan. But I do get discouraged for individuals who kind of fall to evil. You see good people that fight evil for a while, but they get put under pressure, they get attacked, they turn to the dark side.

TUCKER CARLSON: Boy, have I seen that.

ALEX JONES: Because it gets them ahead for a little while. Then you later see them destroyed.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, always. And their family’s destroyed, too.

ALEX JONES: Yeah, so. And I get tempted by evil. You know, sometimes a devil jumps into me. And I mean, by that, I’m just busy. I’m tired. I’m whatever. And I catch myself and I’m like, “Whoa, whoa.” You know, for a minute I was turning into everything I’m trying to fight.

So I’m not up here on some high horse, like I’ve got all the answers and I’m perfect. Because anybody empathic can tune into different frequencies and things that are happening, but at the end of the day, your heart’s what matters. You know, King David did a lot of bad things and sent his best buddy off to get killed. He’s lusting after his wife, but he really repented. And God said, “You’re a man from my own heart.”

So at the end of the day, it’s where you point your soul. And so many Christians or some people that love God have guilt. You know, the devil’s the accuser. And so, “Oh, I made a mistake. I wasn’t perfect. I’m not really a Christian. I’m not really good.” No, as long as you mean well or doing the best you can, you’re going to stumble, you’re going to have problems and you’re going to have issues, but it doesn’t matter because that’s why God’s there to help you.

And you just got to reach out to God and say, “I can’t do this alone. I need you.” And I think people just need to say, “I need God. I give it to God.” Not, “Oh, I’m going to lay down and just trust in God.” Some of the churches thank God they’re coming out with microchips and mark of the beast. That means Jesus coming back soon.

Well, you know, I was talking to police officer today we saw out here, and he’s like, “Well, just thank God Jesus is coming back soon.” Well, if you actually read Revelation, it doesn’t actually read like that. We have to go through this whole project and then this happens. And so…

The Rapture Doctrine

TUCKER CARLSON: And it’s also explicit throughout the New Testament.

ALEX JONES: You’re not going to know.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, you’re not God. You don’t get to predict when this happens. It comes like a thief in the night. And so…

ALEX JONES: Exactly. And I’m not putting him down for being like, “Praise God.” No, no, he’s coming back too. My point is, is that it says the Antichrist will wage war against the saints and overcome them.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right.

ALEX JONES: So there’s a big, and then we lose the third quarter. We win in the fourth quarter. Because God’s going to test us.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: So everybody’s like, “Oh, thank God we won’t be here.” That’s only been around Scofield Bible and all, like 150 years. Nobody ever taught that. Not in Catholicism, Protestantism.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s absurd.

ALEX JONES: Nobody ever taught. I mean, the Antichrist, you got guillotines cutting Christians heads off.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right.

ALEX JONES: So how are they all raptured if they’re getting their heads cut off? So, see, and so…

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, the whole thing, I mean, it’s obviously a heresy, but more than that, it’s just, it’s such a clear usurpation of God’s power. It’s like I’ve figured out exactly when this is going to happen and how it’s going to go. It’s like, no, you’re…

ALEX JONES: Well, what happened to all the disciples? Almost all of them got killed. Did they get raptured out?

TUCKER CARLSON: No, I know the whole thing is, it’s sad. And by the way, really good people fall for it. Really good. Some of my favorite and most decent people fall for it. It’s not, I’m not attacking anyone at all, but it’s clearly not true. And it leads them in direct. It leads them to defend murder and stuff.

Peter Thiel and the Antichrist

ALEX JONES: While we’re on theology. Exactly. While we’re on theology. What do you think of Peter Thiel’s whole Antichrist lecture?

TUCKER CARLSON: You know, I’m not, I haven’t seen it. I have talked to him about it at great length.

ALEX JONES: I didn’t…

TUCKER CARLSON: I think it’s really interesting. I’m not, I didn’t really get to the punchline on that. I don’t. So the question everyone has is, okay, who’s the Antichrist? I think it’s, maybe there’s more than one. I don’t know, system. Right.

So I’ve, so I would just say I’m not taking a pass on the question. I would, but I don’t. This is so far out of my depth. I mean, I’m just sort of at the I’m for Jesus stage of things. But I’m glad that there’s a conversation about it. You know, I welcome all conversations about the transcendent because I think it’s what matters.

ALEX JONES: Well, exactly. Because I mean, I love the comedian, Tim Dillon, he’s like, “This guy’s got all this cashless control grid or this, and then he wants to know about the Antichrist.” Well, he grew up really Christian. People don’t know Peter Thiel and then, and then now he’s wanting to have a debate about it. I don’t think the Antichrist wants you to have a debate about the Antichrist.

The Reality of the Spiritual World

TUCKER CARLSON: I think that’s probably right. And just in general, it’s worth talking about and reminding ourselves and others that this is just a small piece of what’s real. We’re just seeing a tiny fraction of reality, like the spiritual world, that realm is as real as the table we’re sitting at. And people lose sight of that. I lose sight of that.

ALEX JONES: Exactly. So we should be having, not just Peter Thiel, everybody, Donald Trump, you and I, we should be discussing revelation. What’s describes really happening now.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

ALEX JONES: So we should be having, oh God, Peter tells the Antichrist. He’s talking about the Antichrist. What? Because now people are like, well, what’s he doing talking about the Antichrist? Well, I think we should all be talking about it.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, because I think the temptation is to just ignore the whole topic. I mean, that’s the world that I grew up in, where it was just never discussed.

ALEX JONES: That, well, doesn’t exist.

TUCKER CARLSON: It was just 100%. People’s sex lives were a frequent topic of conversation. Everyone was super liberal about that. No one was embarrassed of anything. Except any question that transcended the material was just considered, death was considered totally off limits because it pointed to these obvious questions like what happens then? And so I really welcome that. I think all healthy societies face death. Exactly.

Discussing the Antichrist

ALEX JONES: People go, oh, you’re a Peter Thiel dick writer. No, you should be having a discussion about Antichrist. Why aren’t you? And so what I got, I haven’t seen the presentation. Oh, so people.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m sorry, I miss a lot because I do think the Internet’s demonic. Sorry. I know I work on the Internet, but the whole thing makes me uncomfortable. So I haven’t seen any of this. But people are attacking Thiel for this.

ALEX JONES: Oh, I mean, it’s like they haven’t even found out what he’s saying. I’ve read some of the articles. I tried to get tickets, but it’s already sold out. But I wanted to see his view on it. But all I know is that we should be having a discussion about the Antichrist. We’re having one already here. And so what is the Antichrist? I think you need to know the enemy. I think you need to know.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, one obvious hallmark from my frequent but very untutored reading of those books in the New Testament is that the Antichrist reserves the powers of God for himself. He pretends to be God. I’m all powerful. I can, worship me. And by the way, that’s most leaders in the world through all time. But those are signs of evil. You are not God. No one can worship you.

And the shitty things you do on earth do not make you powerful. They destroy you actually. And so it’s all described in Jesus’s 40 days in the wilderness where Satan offers him these deals and he declines all of them. But that’s the template for life. Whether you’re a Christian or not, that is the template for life. Oh, if I just do this, I’ll win this election. I break some eggs to make the omelet. No, dude, you’re going to be destroyed for that in probably in this life, certainly in the next. And that’s just real, that’s just a fact.

ALEX JONES: I agree. And it’s nothing but healthy to have a discussion about that 100%.

TUCKER CARLSON: So I guess the one thing I don’t like about the Antichrist conversation is it makes it sound like Anton LaVey is going to show up and start murdering people. And I think it’s much more present than that. I mean, I think literally Antichrist means against Christ. Well, who would that include? Most leaders in the world, they hate Jesus.

ALEX JONES: Well, look what Elon is starting to come around.

The Power of Jesus’s Name

TUCKER CARLSON: You want to make people upset, start talking about Jesus. I just did this at Charlie Kirk’s memorial. I did some 6 minute talk about Jesus, only Jesus. That’s it. I was like, I said to my wife in the shower morning that morning, I was like, I’m not getting political at all. I’m not going to attack anybody.

ALEX JONES: I just want to be as.

TUCKER CARLSON: Unifying as I can and consistent with what Charlie really cared about as I can and we really care about.

ALEX JONES: They call it anti-Semitic.

TUCKER CARLSON: It was insane. Which was of course absurd. But leaving aside the absurdity, the emotion was real. It was totally real.

ALEX JONES: Oh my gosh, that’s outrageous that you said that. It’s like, great speech. I watched it.

TUCKER CARLSON: It was just short. All I did was recount the gospel. But that’s the most controversial thing you can do. And everyone’s happy to talk about God all the time. God, spiritual, this. Jesus man, that’s a no go zone. Why is that?

ALEX JONES: Absolutely.

TUCKER CARLSON: Because it’s real. That’s why. And it just triggers the hell out of people.

ALEX JONES: Well, I mean, sorry.

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean.

ALEX JONES: No, no, but I agree with you that we need to have an open discussion about this because it’s here. And notice the left. They’re all about total control of language where there’s almost nothing discussed. And so that’s why they get so upset when these discussions start to happen.

The AI Question

ALEX JONES: I just look at civilization, society. We should be having a major front and center discussion about AI. And that’s what Elon Musk talks about. Who’s gone from not believing in God, saying we need God. He’s starting to come around to saying, listen, we’re going to have AI. Obviously the genie’s out of the bottle, but we don’t want to centralize them. We want a whole bunch of them. We want a diversity of them.

And I think what is the answer to AI? Because people say, oh, why are you for AI? I’m not. It’s not going away. What is the answer to AI if it’s being rolled out? And I know the globalists want to basically have one AI. Elon’s answers have distributed AI, non-centralized AI, but no matter what it is, just turns bad.

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t, I mean, I have no idea. I know that a lot of the people developing AI are really, really bad. Really, really bad. Like the worst. And what do I mean by bad specifically? They think they’re God and that’s the core lie. It’s not like how many people have you killed. If you think you’re God, you will kill people. And the more power you have, the more you will kill. It’s just by its nature bad.

And so it means no restraint, no perspective, no humility. Man, that’s a recipe for genocide. Always. Right.

Trump’s Presidency and the Path Forward

ALEX JONES: I know we want to hit my own personal issues and a few other things and I appreciate the time, Tucker, but big picture, let’s just be completely honest about Trump. It’s a blessing to have him in office. We’re nine months in. The Democrats are destroying themselves. Lowest approval rating ever, lowest fundraising ever. It’s really up to us to lose this.

But we are starting to see some indictments of Comey and Lisa Chamberlain told a lot more coming. The Democrats are now pledging resistance and violence and what’s the quote? Energetic uprisings or forceful uprisings. Sorry, forceful uprisings. Chuck Schumer, how do you see this unfolding and what can the general public do to try to save the country in a non-violent way?

Because I mean, I just think Trump rhetorically needs to be out front explaining people how dangerous things are and the crossroads instead of just saying, oh, liberals are dumb, they don’t know what they’re doing. No, the leftist globalists have a plan all over the world. They know what they’re deliberately doing.

TUCKER CARLSON: I think, I mean, a lot of things are important. Prayer is the most important. Keeping the people you love close, keeping your personal relationship strong, keeping your personal life virtuous. I do think that’s really important. I think you become, having led a very non-virtuous life myself, I’m not judging anybody. I just know from experience that the less virtuous your personal life, the weaker you are. It makes you weak. That’s the part why I quit drinking, it made me weak, et cetera. So those are all super important.

But from a governance perspective, the government, the people who were elected to run the government, need to make sure that the instruments of government are loyal to the Constitution and under control. And that’s the concern that I have is that especially older conservatives, whatever that is, Republicans, whatever that is. But non-leftists are living without dated understandings of the military and the police.

And there are a lot of great people in the military. I know a lot of them. And there are a lot of great cops. We were just with one of them a second ago. But there are also a lot of people with guns in official capacities who are really, really dangerous. And you need to make sure those people are under control. And by under control, I don’t mean loyal to Donald Trump the man, I mean loyal to the Constitution.

The Military Leadership Problem

ALEX JONES: Absolutely. Well, there was a whole bunch of people, including Sheriff Savage people earlier today. And you’re like, well, of course the leadership of the Pentagon are the worst globalists. And they’re like, what? Really? Our military is not the best. Trump admitted eight years ago he was lied to. The leadership’s been groomed, put to these globalist schools, brainwashed. They’re awful. They’re awful. They’re the worst. And Trump finally knows that. So going into this attempted civil war, the enlisted are great people, on average, the best. But people really have this vision of military that’s delusional.

TUCKER CARLSON: A lot of them are sociology professors with nuclear weapons. I mean they’re scary. And I know that just from living in D.C. I wouldn’t know that if I hadn’t spent my life in Washington. The Pentagon’s right there. The neighborhood I grew up in in Georgetown was, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs lived one house over from me. There was always circulating through because they all circulate through D.C.

So I would have, go to dinners or duck hunts or whatever. You’re with these people and you’re like, wait, you’re stupid, totally incapable of creative or independent thought and you’re a lefty big time and self-hating white guys and crypto gay and all, their sociology professors.

ALEX JONES: A lot of them, I’ve met a lot of them, a lot.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why do you think DEI swept through the military? Because the flag officers wanted it. And why did they want it? Because they hate themselves. Because they all got master’s degrees at Fletcher or whatever at some, they all got indoctrinated by higher education as you explained at the outset. So man, you have to make sure those people are loyal to the Constitution and you need to go through systematically.

ALEX JONES: By the way, you think Trump finally knows that he thought the brass for these badass John Wayne guys are literally the enemy.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, apparently everyone says that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs is.

ALEX JONES: A good solid raising cane American.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s correct. Dan Cain is a great guy. So I mean I think there are a lot of great people. Caveat.

ALEX JONES: There’s still a few left.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, there may be many left. There are many bad cell forever. Many bad. Many bad. And the left used the COVID vaccine to weed out the men, guys with testosterone and self-respect who were like, I’m not doing that. I’m not going to poison myself. And so they left. And that was the point of the COVID vaccine was to purge decent, to purge the men.

So it’s all betas and women who can be controlled and are sort of eager to worship false gods. And you have those people with guns. I don’t know. It’s really scary what just happened under Biden and has it been corrected? I don’t know.

ALEX JONES: I notice the alpha males back when Obama wanted to attack Syria and the Russians, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs then he goes, that’s World War Three, full war. They had to back off. So even that was the tail end. Now you have weird guys that say they’re women with bald heads stealing women’s gowns at the airport, totally over the nuclear stockpile and they’re all, and Sean Penn’s on TV saying why not have a nuclear war? What’s wrong with that?

It’s like they had the real warriors know, no, you can’t do that. But now you’ve got a collection, like you said, of sociology and anthropology professors that are completely bonkers. And I aren’t making the connection. This is real. The Russians aren’t playing around.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, and it’s self-hating men and bloodthirsty women and oh, I love the liberal thing.

ALEX JONES: Once women are in charge, there’ll be no more wars.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s bullshit.

ALEX JONES: That’s not what the studies show.

Female Leadership and Violence

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, it’s not what reality shows us. Female leadership leads to violence.

ALEX JONES: Why is that? It’s true.

TUCKER CARLSON: I don’t know. And I, as a great lover of women and the father of a number of women, I’m not anti-women. I like them more than men and anyone. I love women. But it’s true.

TUCKER CARLSON: But I remember reading female leadership leads to violence and you see it. Who was it? Governor Wallace’s wife who opened the windows to smell the burning tires?

ALEX JONES: Yeah, the Redland odor of riot.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, it’s Winnie Mandela, man. It’s really the Bolsheviks’ wives were more bloodthirsty than they were. I don’t know exactly what that is. I think weak male leadership incites something in women that’s really dark. That’s not their fault, that’s men’s fault. Men’s job is to lead. You can’t shirk that duty because it’s not created by man, it’s preexistent.

ALEX JONES: Well, they found in studies in total war, like women commit way more war crimes than men.

TUCKER CARLSON: You know, you were turned over to the squads to be tortured to death over the period of three weeks. You know, they slow roast you. So yeah, all of that, it’s all true. And I also think it’s, you know, having lost two fistfights in my life, badly, I would, I’m hesitant to get into a fistfight.

I mean there’s something about, you know, being forced to box as a kid, as I was, and learning that, like, I’m not as tough as I thought I was or whatever. But the experience of physical violence is much more a male thing. And, you know, people who haven’t been in a fistfight shouldn’t be commanding an army or a country, for that matter.

ALEX JONES: Well, the tougher, you know, the more you learn. There’s always somebody tougher.

TUCKER CARLSON: And it hurts to get hit in the face. It hurts a lot, actually. It hurts so much. That’s why I was never good at boxing. My brother was good, but I was not, because I’d get hit in the face and I’d be like, “Oh, I think we should negotiate this. There’s got to be a smarter way to do this.” That was my response. And then I was like, I’m not suited for that. And but it was only through that experience that I learned anyway.

You know, all this because you’re a man. But, yes, there’s something about female leadership that gets you very quickly to violence. And you see it in the support for the Ukraine war, which is like the murder of an entire country’s male population.

ALEX JONES: And now, though, a bunch of European countries are doing female conscription. I wonder if combat is going to get the women to not be for war.

TUCKER CARLSON: I wonder why you would even bother with a civilization if you’re sending your women to fight wars. I don’t understand. Just give up at that point.

ALEX JONES: It’s like Ursula von der Leyen.

TUCKER CARLSON: You only have a military to protect your women. That’s the point. There’s only one reason, and that’s to protect my wife and my daughters. And if it weren’t for that, why would we need a military? And so if I’m sending my wife and my daughters to go fight a war on my behalf, I mean, that is the most grotesque thing I could imagine. That is so shameful. That is so disgusting. I don’t know how we can live with that.

ALEX JONES: Well, it is. You got to live with that. Ursula von der Leyen, the unelected EU head, literally talking about, “There’s too many humans. We need depopulation.” You pull it up, and “We’re going to beat Russia, no problem.” And I’m sorry, I have no respect for her, because I guarantee she’s never been in a fistfight, much less she’s not been in the military. I mean, it’s like…

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s crazy, but there’s a cruelty there. And I don’t understand it. The women in my life are the kindest people. They bring me back to decency. Under their influence, I am more decent. But you see in modern female leadership, not all, but a lot of it, Tulsi Gabbard is an incredible exception to this rule. She’s a truly humane, decent person.

But, man, you see a lot of counter examples where these women just, they can’t wait to kill. And I don’t know what that is.

ALEX JONES: Because the system is selecting twisted women.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s probably right. And it has something to do with men vacating their role.

ALEX JONES: I agree. Could you believe that Letitia James complained and said Trump has weaponized things against me?

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s kind of…

ALEX JONES: Yeah, but that’s the system.

TUCKER CARLSON: The entitlement level in this country has gotten very high, I will say.

ALEX JONES: Well, that’s just hiding behind a woman, behind a black woman. That’s all they’re doing. It’s totally transparent.

The Weaponization of Justice

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, the most powerful people in our society consider themselves its greatest victims. You always notice that, like, “I’m a victim. I need security at my house.” It’s like, okay, no, you’re not a victim. You’re the perpetrator.

So let me, speaking of victims and perpetrators, you are the victim of the greatest crime against free speech in the last 10 years. You were accused of saying things. You say your remarks are misconstrued or misrepresented intentionally. From my perspective, doesn’t matter what you said. You didn’t hurt anybody. You didn’t cheat anybody. You didn’t issue a fake stablecoin. You didn’t carjack. You gave an opinion.

And for that opinion, the U.S. government, through an FBI agent, has basically tried to destroy your life and are on the cusp of taking your entire life away. And so here’s my question. One, how close are you to having everything taken from you? And two, where’s the Trump Justice Department in this? I don’t understand.

ALEX JONES: This is such a huge subject. It is a huge subject, and I want to answer this because this affects everybody, not just me. And what just happened to Mike Lindell two days ago ties directly into this. So I’m going to do my best, but I want viewers to understand this isn’t about me. This is about you and the end of judicial process in this country and the final phase of the weaponized judiciary, because the Democrats haven’t given up.

TUCKER CARLSON: First question, how close are they? And by they, I mean this constellation of law firms, NGOs and federal law enforcement employees, to taking everything from you and shutting you down, taking you off the air. I know that’s been in progress for a while. You’ve outrun them, but I feel like you’re getting toward the end. And two or B, where’s the Trump Justice Department and why is this being allowed?

The Legal Battle Timeline

ALEX JONES: Well, to quote the song, “I Got One More Silver Dollar.” So they sued me seven years ago. They spent $300 million. They had made court filings doing it. Paul Weiss, Democrat law firms, all of it had the judges find me guilty. Here’s a microcosm or a current example two days ago, Mike Lindell, Smartmatic, the judge finds him guilty, claims he didn’t give the discovery. That’s the new thing they do.

So I was found guilty in Texas and in Connecticut by Democrat judges, literal anti-First Amendment judges, of not giving discovery, which wasn’t true. So then I’m found guilty that they have a show trial. So then they have the show trial. They get a billion and a half dollar judgment. They do all this and then they don’t want to settle. I said, “Here, have all the money I’ll make in the next 10 years,” which was more than I ever made in 10 years, $75 million.

They said, “We don’t want that. We want you off the air.” In press conferences, on national TV, in court filings. We’re not supposed to just take somebody off the air. You’re supposed to be able to get your judgment. Plus it’s all on appeal. So last Tuesday, they had the state receiver in my offices looking at everything, saying we’ll probably shut you down in about a month. They’re waiting for the state court that we have it on appeal to lift the state.

TUCKER CARLSON: And this is because, all because you gave an opinion. I just want to be clear, you didn’t do anything. You had an opinion, which you say they mischaracterized. But again, I would say even if they didn’t mischaracterize it, you’re entitled by birth as an American to have any freaking opinion you want.

ALEX JONES: Well, to be clear, the Internet, years after Sandy Hook, had viral videos of professors saying they didn’t think it happened. They put maybe 22 minutes in the show trials of me questioning and having debates with people.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re allowed to question anything you want. You’re allowed to have any opinion you want. This is the United States of America.

ALEX JONES: Well, it’s like the Charlie Kirk thing. I believe Charlie Kirk’s dead. I think the official story is probably true. There’s questions, but people are saying he didn’t die. There’s people saying this and that. I don’t think it’s true. But the point is, they have a right to do that. As Americans, you have a right to have any opinion you want, period.

TUCKER CARLSON: Any opinion you want, period.

ALEX JONES: So they have the show trials, they do it, they want me off the air. Then I go into bankruptcy because I don’t have any money, three years ago. They use the bankruptcy. They assign the Justice Department, which they can do. They have a special office to my bankruptcy. They use Infowars money in the account to do four investigations to find fraud. They find no fraud. They sue my parents. They do it all.

TUCKER CARLSON: They use your money to sue your parents?

ALEX JONES: Yes. Then the judge Lopez in Houston, you know, federal judge, he says, “I want this to be sold at auction a year and a half ago, cash auction up front. Here’s the rules.” They do an auction, say it’s a cash auction, cancel it, and then sell it to The Onion, basically for no money, funded by Michael Bloomberg.

The judge last November says it’s a fraud, has hearings, shuts it down. They also sent armed security and without court orders tried to shut us down in May of last year. So all this goes on, all this happens. We learned the Justice Department from documents was under Biden, was funding the lawsuits, running all of it.

We get those documents, the new Justice Department learns about it. Ed Martin says, “Our job is weaponization. We know we have the documents. The Justice Department previously did this, that the FBI admitted in court that they ran this, created the lawsuits.” William Aldenberg, the chief counsel of Connecticut at the time, “And we’re going to send a letter and ask them to preserve their documents. We’re going to talk to them.” That was about a month ago. And I showed you the letter and the other letters that aren’t out there.

TUCKER CARLSON: So Ed Martin is a great guy. He’s been in this room. Ed Martin is in charge of undoing the weaponization of government, which is to say the agencies being used for political ends to destroy people who get in the way of the Democratic Party. And his job is to undo some of the…

ALEX JONES: And I’m one of the more famous cases. The White House, right, when they got in eight months ago, gave me classified documents that Obama targeted me for national security in 2013 with Comey. We had other documents come out. They didn’t find anything in a 10-year investigation. So they moved on to do the Sandy Hook thing as a big production with the FBI, the Justice Department legally funded it. We have all those documents.

And so just like Mike Lindell two days ago, the Smartmatic suit, the judge finds him guilty and it’s now going to seize his company and shut him down without a jury trial. So it’s the same thing again. This is their model.

TUCKER CARLSON: And what did Mike Lindell do wrong?

ALEX JONES: He questioned the 2020 election and he’s been vindicated.

TUCKER CARLSON: So they get to take his company away for that?

ALEX JONES: Including firing all those employees because they don’t want money.

TUCKER CARLSON: So this is happening right now.

The FBI Agent’s Role in the Sandy Hook Lawsuits

ALEX JONES: Yeah, right now. And so the bigger question is, so here’s what happened. Martin says, “No, this is weaponization. You have all the documents, we have more documents. We want to investigate this.”

So I go a month and a half ago, meet in DC, do all this. They get the letter and another communication. It’s this Koskoff, Koskoff Democrat Senator Blumenthal law firm, basically Bloomberg law firm in Connecticut. They flip out and say, “Oh, Jones is harassing a hero FBI agent.”

Never said his name, never criticized him. He won 130 million dollar defamation suit against me in the Sandy Hook defamation that he created, though no one ever said his name. He been on the stand? No. No one in your office. You never said. I didn’t know who he was until he sued me.

So he goes and creates the suit, organizes the families with the NGOs, does all this. And then I talk to the DOJ, they send a letter, say, “Preserve your records.” I showed the ABC News headline, and then Todd Blanche, the Deputy AG calls up in the news, chews out Ed Martin, says in this investigation, and pull this.

And so wait, why? I mean, will Todd Blanche let them shut down My Pillow? Will Todd Blanche let them do all this? Because they go, “Oh, Alex Jones was mean to dead kids.” There was never any evidence of that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, but even again, just to restate the Constitution of the United States, the country we live in, you’re allowed to have any opinion you want.

ALEX JONES: Okay, I agree.

TUCKER CARLSON: You were making a political point. And the job of the government is to defend that, right? That’s the point of the Department of Justice. Defend that right. So I’m totally confused here. So you’re saying that one of the top guys at DOJ, Todd Blanche, whom I’ve talked to before, I don’t know much about Todd Blanche. But you’re saying that he stopped Ed Martin.

ALEX JONES: He bragged about it all over the news three weeks ago.

TUCKER CARLSON: Why would he do that?

ALEX JONES: Here’s what they do. They say people peed on kids’ graves. People harass their houses. And then in court, when did that happen? I don’t know. Somebody told me. Who? I don’t know.

TUCKER CARLSON: Did you pee on someone’s grave?

ALEX JONES: No one. I’ve never been to Connecticut until they brought me there for trial. No, none of that happened. But the point is, I’m this guy. People don’t know that Adam Lanza killed the kids. His mom bought a Bushmaster.

TUCKER CARLSON: But just to get, it doesn’t even matter. It’s such a sad, horrible story.

ALEX JONES: Well, they just put me in the place of—

The First Amendment and Government Protection

TUCKER CARLSON: But you’ve got nothing to do with it. You shared an opinion about a tragedy. People can disagree with your opinion. They can dislike your opinion. They can’t destroy you for your opinion because it’s America and the Department of Justice exists to protect that right.

So I don’t really get this. Todd Blanche, I’m taking your word on this. I haven’t heard this before. You’re saying, is he a career guy, Todd Blanche?

ALEX JONES: Well, he was a Democrat until Trump won the election.

TUCKER CARLSON: You see an appointee.

ALEX JONES: Yeah, he’s the Deputy AG.

TUCKER CARLSON: And so you’re confident that he shut down any attempt—

ALEX JONES: Oh, he bragged. Just type in Todd Blanche, Alex Jones, Ed Martin. He went on the news and said, “This is terrible. I’m killing this investigation.”

TUCKER CARLSON: Why was it terrible?

ALEX JONES: He just, it’s a hero FBI agent because you’re bad.

TUCKER CARLSON: You offended some FBI agent, therefore you should be—

ALEX JONES: I never even knew he was until he sued me. I never allowed to—

TUCKER CARLSON: Not like FBI agents.

ALEX JONES: You’re allowed to have any opinion you want.

TUCKER CARLSON: This is the craziest thing.

The Weaponization of Defamation Lawsuits

ALEX JONES: Well, William Aldenberg said on the stand, he went and created the lawsuits, which violates a whole bunch of laws. That’s what Ed Martin put in his letter was that you can, as a sitting agent, go and create a case for yourself. It’s an emolument issue.

So here’s where we are. They say the new model is sue you for defamation, have a Democrat judge find you guilty by default, then do this. Then they don’t accept a settlement. Then they shut you down.

So the answer is, how long will we be there? They want the name Infowars, the Onion. And this former MSNBC censorship czar, he had the same job as Brian Stelter at CNN. He said recently, interview with Wired magazine, “If I was God, I want Infowars.”

And so they think now they’re going to seize the assets of the state. They’re going to hand it to them. He says they’re going to use our logos. He says he’s going to pose as Charlie Kirk as well, put out fake quotes of Charlie, look this up. And their new thing is to have my website and use it to attack Charlie Kirk.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, so this is just totally grotesque. And this is not the free market at work. This is NGOs, plus law firms, plus the US government destroying a private citizen for opposing the political agenda of the people in charge. So this is exactly what you can’t have in your country.

ALEX JONES: And they brag they’re doing it because of that.

TUCKER CARLSON: Of course. Well, there’s no other way.

ALEX JONES: And they say, “We want you off the air.”

Can the DOJ Stop This?

TUCKER CARLSON: Simple question to you, could the current Department of Justice shut this down?

ALEX JONES: Yes. The DOJ’s Office of Bankruptcy already had one U.S. trustee fired, the next caught in a fake auction. My lawyers have filed lawsuits. It’s cut and dry. Illegal bankruptcy fraud.

TUCKER CARLSON: So—

ALEX JONES: And that information went out as well. So they know that. And Todd Blanche is protecting the FBI and DOJ under orders from Obama, then Biden to get me off the air. And we have all the documents where they funded illegally. We have all the proof. We sued them, we deposed them. I spent millions deposing them all, getting all their emails, top law firms.

And then the Justice Department gets the information, and Ed Martin goes after him and says, “Preserve your records. I want to talk to you.” And then Todd Blanche comes in and says, “I’ll fire you, Ed Martin. Shut the son of a bitch down right now.”

Ed Martin needs to be the Deputy Attorney General. And he didn’t say that. Okay, I have other DOJ sources that tell me what goes on, but this is the reality.

TUCKER CARLSON: And could they do that? I mean, because in the end, I don’t think you should use government to make your friends rich or give them special favors. But if you can’t deliver justice to people who are on your side, you’re not doing it right. And it’s really dispiriting and a little weird to be—

The Mike Lindell Case

ALEX JONES: Well, here’s what’s going to happen. They just defaulted Lindell two days ago, and they’re going to shut down his factory and his thousands of employees.

TUCKER CARLSON: Are you serious?

ALEX JONES: Yeah. He doesn’t get a trial. The judge in Minnesota found him guilty, and they said it’s the Alex Jones model. So now the new thing, I’ll bring you in this because it happened when they defaulted me four years ago before the show trial. They said, “Next is Tucker Carlson.”

So what they do is they pick a judge, they pick a fake story, they run headlines. You said something you didn’t do. Like Trump, “I love the KKK. They’re very fine people.” He said, “They’re not fine people.” And then they sue and then a judge finds you guilty.

Then the judge controls limited information, has a jury trial for the press, but only on the issues they allow of you’re already guilty. They instruct the jury that, imagine I’m in Connecticut, Texas, two trials, and it’s both the same. Produced by HBO’s cameras.

The judge goes, “Mr. Jones is already guilty of everything they say he did. He cannot put on defense. You will decide how much money he stole from these people and you will give it to them.” And they instruct them, he is guilty. And you’re sitting there, the opposite of the American system, watching it.

And now they just did Mike Lindell. And so will Trump sit there because Todd Blanche kisses his ass, this little Democrat snake and crucify Mike Lindell and crucify his thousands of employees in Minnesota? Probably. I’m not mad at Trump. I know you’re busy, Trump. It’s okay.

But if you think, oh, this law firm, Paul Weiss that’s been running the bankruptcy attacks on us, agreed to pay 40 million in restitution, agreed to illegal lawfare against Trump and his family and his supporters. And they promised when Boris Epstein got the deal for him six months ago to never target any of his supporters again. They wrote off part of their 40 million dollar community service bill and suing me. And so they’re still attacking all his supporters, everybody else.

The Need for Justice Reform

TUCKER CARLSON: You know, you really have to clean up the justice system or else you can’t have a country. I mean, this is just absolutely crazy. I think that is why people voted for Trump. It’s why I campaigned for him. You have to have justice in your country.

ALEX JONES: More than stopping war, my listeners want indictments. And finally, Comey, Letitia James, indictments of the guilty.

TUCKER CARLSON: Not indictments of people you don’t like, not indictments of people who pissed you off.

ALEX JONES: Oh, they cut and dry. They did everything.

TUCKER CARLSON: People who committed crimes and who have escaped justice because of their political connections, that can’t continue.

ALEX JONES: Well, they started it, Tucker.

TUCKER CARLSON: Oh, I know.

ALEX JONES: And so all I’m saying is that I’m a tough guy. I can handle all this. We’ll continue on. People can follow me on X at Real Alex Jones. We got the AGN network set up with sponsors.

The point is that they said this is a model for everybody else. Then two days ago, Mike Lindell, “Oh, sorry, Mike. You don’t get a jury trial, you’re guilty. Now we’re going to instruct a jury how you’re guilty.”

So this is their model. Defaults are only if you’re sued and then you run and leave the country. They still got to have a trial, but they are literally declaring me guilty. And then you’ve got Todd Blanche, who, from all of my sources, I mean, he’s a hardcore Democrat, Southern District of New York operative. He was Trump’s criminal lawyer, lost those cases for Trump.

And this is that weird Trump blind spot. So, hey, Trump, I get it. If you think cutting me loose and Michael Lindell, that’s fine. I’m a big boy. I’ve defended you like nothing else. That’s fine. If you think Todd Blanche, you know, you got meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell and all this other weirdness. If you think that snake is the answer for you, then you bet everything on that.

But as for me, I just know the truth. And the Democrats literally are caught red handed in their persecution. I mean, Infowars and Mike Lindell. And so it’s up to you to make the right move here.

The Mike Lindell Sacrifice

TUCKER CARLSON: I mean, Mike Lindell blew his life up on Trump’s behalf. I mean, that’s why we’re here, is because Mike Lindell loved Trump. And whatever you think of Mike Lindell, he’s a very nice man, I think.

But even if you hate Mike Lindell, just objectively, Mike Lindell was pretty successful pillow salesman and got his life together, got off drugs, you know, became a Christian and then he decided he really loved Trump and he thought Trump was being wronged and they stole the election from Trump. He really believed that.

And now they’re destroying him. And I just feel like if there’s ever someone you need to defend, it’s Mike Lindell. Are you kidding?

ALEX JONES: Yeah, because they’ve got the fake story about me. “Oh, the guy that peed on kids’ graves.” Didn’t do it. You know, Trump loves—

TUCKER CARLSON: And they can arrest you for public urination. That is not relevant. But it’s the justice. It doesn’t matter. You didn’t do it. You’re not accused of doing it. Someone else did it. And we can’t allow that. We can’t allow, if someone does something crazy and invokes your name, you don’t get arrested for this.

ALEX JONES: No, I agree. Trump stood up for J6ers and others.

TUCKER CARLSON: I agree.

Trump’s Responsibility to His Supporters

ALEX JONES: So why—okay, so you’re going to let them shut down My Pillow? You’re going to let them shut down Infowars? It’s not me. I understand Trump’s got bigger fish to fry, but my listeners are enraged by this. They are like, “Why are you still supporting Trump?” Because it’s not Kamala Harris. We’re getting more done, but if Trump doesn’t understand, if he can’t support his supporters, I don’t know what he can do.

And I’ll go back to Todd Blanche. Todd Blanche put a dyed-in-the-wool top Democrat. He lost all the cases for Trump criminally. And from what I’ve heard, Bondi’s not bad. She’s just lazy. Bongino’s emotional and a big baby. You know, Patel is compromised, and it’s just so sad.

He should have Ken Paxton in there. They brought in the Missouri AG as the new deputy FBI head to get, you know, soon as Bongino leaves. And Bongino should stop worrying about his PR and how he looks and worry more about the future of the country here and put it all on the line. Actually, instead of being a hothead, Bongino thinks a good guy. But Patel and, you know, Bondi, these are just TV heads. These are just people that are here to be celebrities, in my view.

And I’m just saying, Todd Blanche is a Democrat Party operative who I think—I think he’s Bill Barr 2.0. You know, they got another Veritas investigation where they have Bill Barr’s former CIA deputy AG twice, literally, with Fani Willis setting up the indictments in Virginia—I mean, in Georgia. I mean, like, so is Todd Blanche Bill Barr 2.0? That’s the question Trump should be asking.

It’s bigger than me. It’s bigger than me. Well, Judge reached out and said, “Hey, this is cut and dry with you.” I said, “Don’t you have bigger fish?” He said, “No, this—they were sloppy with you. You know, we’ve got them.” And they do. We have all of it. Total proof of record.

The Value of the Individual

TUCKER CARLSON: Can I disagree with you on one point? I don’t think it’s bigger than you. I don’t think anything is bigger than the individual. I think that is the Christian message. What matters is the individual, the human soul, the person, each one made in God’s image. And whenever people say, “Well, it’s bigger than just one person,” that’s bullshit. Actually, nothing is bigger than just one person.

ALEX JONES: No, Tucker, I agree with you.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m saying injustice done to you is a total outrage to the entire world. And by the way, you’re not the only victim, if that’s what you’re saying.

ALEX JONES: I’m hardly the only victim. That’s what I meant, though.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s for sure. But I think it’s so important to make sure, to the extent you can, with the power that you have in this life, to make sure that justice is done for the individual. Like, I really think that’s—that is Western civilization.

By the way, the Eastern view, which is now very common in our country, deals only with groups and populations and the herd or the tribe. That’s why they believe in collective punishment. But the Christian view is, no, it’s the individual and each person matters. The hair on your head is numbered by God. So I just feel like we can’t allow a single injustice to pass by if we can fix it.

Standing Up for Supporters

ALEX JONES: No, I totally—to be clear, I totally agree with you. My point was I know Trump has bigger fish.

TUCKER CARLSON: No, I get it.

ALEX JONES: Well, that’s true, but it doesn’t—because everything they’re doing is about, “Oh, this media paid a thing that said they’re wrong.” They’re laughing at him. They still have their power structure in place. Oh, ABC paid a fine. They paid a fine. Paul Weiss paid a fine. And they’re still attacking your most ardent supporters to shut you down.

And so that’s all I’m trying to say is, will Trump let Mike Lindell get shut down? Will he allow this all because the deputy AG that really runs everything is really a big leftist and thinks he’s smarter than all of us? And it’s just so disgusting because we have them cut and dry.

They’re like, “Well, sir, he peed on graves.” No one peed on graves. No one did any of this stuff. They say Trump never said the KKK are fine people. That was all a lie. And so if you give in to their propaganda, they win. Support your supporters, stand up for them.

You know, I saw Barron put out a whole list of vaccine bad reactions to the COVID shot after his dad took a shot. That’s going to be the real rebellion here, is people around Trump because he’s 79 years old. He’s not a bad guy, great guy, telling the truth. We, all of us, can’t be in a cult. When Trump is wrong, we got to call it out.

But yeah, I mean, I’m here and, you know, I’ve seen this injustice. And I was literally going to say, when I came here, we’re supposed—weeks ago, I couldn’t come weeks ago because there was a receiver there at the office that day. I was supposed to come literally looking at everything about the shutdown.

And I just had to say to people that if they do this to me, they’ll do it to you. And then Mike Lindell defaulted. No jury trial, found guilty by a judge. All of you are in danger, folks. This is so real.

And if Trump doesn’t defend Lindell or me, whatever—I mean, I just hope Trump, when he’s out in three years, remembers that Todd Blanche is Bill Barr 2.0. And if you think that little sneaky lawyer is your friend, you’re a fool. So I think Todd Blanche should be removed, not because of me, but because everybody I talk to, he is literally there working against the President.

He’s the one telling the US Attorneys, “Don’t do these prosecutions.” And then Trump gets pissed and says, “Do it.” They do it. So, Trump, you did it with Sessions, you did with Bill Barr. Why are you doing it with Blanche right now?

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s just—

ALEX JONES: Please. I don’t understand this blind spot of Trump.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’ve never heard any of this before, but that’s why I’m a fan of yours, because I always learn a lot. Godspeed, Alex Jones. Truly.

ALEX JONES: Thank you, Tucker. Love you, brother.

TUCKER CARLSON: Great to see you, man. Thank you.

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