Read the full transcript of Chinese educator Professor Jiang (Xueqin Jiang) interview on Danny Jones Podcast, August 24, 2026.
EDITOR’S NOTE: In this episode of the Danny Jones Podcast, host Danny Jones interviews Professor Jiang (Xueqin Jiang), the Chinese educator and creator of the popular Predictive History YouTube channel. The wide-ranging conversation covers life and education in modern China, geopolitical tensions involving Xi Jinping and Taiwan, and deeper explorations of influential networks and historical forces that Jiang argues shape figures like Trump and Netanyahu. Blending cultural insights, personal background, and provocative predictions, the discussion offers a unique perspective on global power dynamics.
Introductions and Becoming a Viral Sensation in China
DANNY JONES: (00:00:07 – 00:00:13) First of all, I just gotta say, the CCP deserves a round of applause for this amazing American influence campaign.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:00:13 – 00:00:16) That’s right. You’re doing an incredible job.
DANNY JONES: (00:00:16 – 00:00:18) Yeah. So how does it feel—make sure you sweep this place after he leaves.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:00:18 – 00:00:23) Yeah. Well, how does it feel to have a Chinese spy on your podcast for the first time?
DANNY JONES: (00:00:23 – 00:00:27) I, I think you might be the second. I think, wow, Lee might have been the first Chinese spy.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:00:28 – 00:00:28) Okay.
DANNY JONES: (00:00:28 – 00:00:30) I think you might be the second.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:00:30 – 00:00:32) Yeah, but, but I’m better than she is, right?
DANNY JONES: (00:00:32 – 00:00:36) You’re doing an incredible job. Oh yeah, you’re a superstar. Yeah, yeah, that’s what I want to say, you know.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:00:36 – 00:00:37) Yeah, no, I’m on this—
DANNY JONES: (00:00:37 – 00:00:38) off to the CCP.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:00:38 – 00:00:53) So I’m doing this national tour and I’m going around the United States on this secret mission to undermine American democracy by teaching Americans facts and logic and how to think for themselves. That’s my secret mission. And it might be impossible, you know.
DANNY JONES: (00:00:53 – 00:00:56) I mean, it’s the first time I’ve ever seen anything like it, man.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:00:56 – 00:00:57) Yeah, yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:00:57 – 00:00:58) Very impressive.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:00:58 – 00:00:59) Thank you. Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:00:59 – 00:01:09) So how did you get into all this stuff with creating this? First of all, how does a guy like you get away with talking about the things you talk about in China?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:01:09 – 00:02:54) Yeah, so, I work at a private school in Beijing, and it’s a very gray zone because it’s not public, meaning that we don’t train our students to take the national entrance examination to get into a Chinese college, and these are students who are wealthy enough to apply to U.S. colleges. So we teach them English, we teach them philosophy, and I was brought on to teach philosophy and geopolitics. And I start to record my lectures on YouTube, and I’m a maverick in education. I don’t like how schools are run, and I try to provoke students into deep thought. So one thing that I did was make predictions in my history class. And my argument was that you can look at historical analogies, and history repeats itself. So as long as you’re able to apply current events to the past, then you should be able to make pretty accurate predictions about what’s going to happen in the near future. So I structured my class around three predictions, and this was May 2024. My first prediction was that Trump would win a second term. He would get a second term. My second prediction was that he would start a war against Iran. And my third prediction is that the United States would lose this war and thus reset the global order. And so two of my three predictions have panned out, and that’s what made me viral online.
DANNY JONES: (00:02:55 – 00:02:56) How long have you been teaching in China?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:02:57 – 00:03:03) So I went to Yale, and after I graduated from Yale—
DANNY JONES: (00:03:03 – 00:03:04) so you were born in China? No.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:03:05 – 00:03:34) Yeah, so my background is I was born in China, in a small village. We were very poor. And then when I was 6 years old, we went to Toronto and that’s where I grew up and went to school. And then I got a scholarship to go to Yale College and I studied English literature there. And then after Yale, I wanted to return to China and I’ve been there ever since. So I’ve been there for about 26 years now. And I’ve been working in education in different capacities since then.
DANNY JONES: (00:03:35 – 00:03:44) And you said that the school that hired you, it’s a private school that’s not traditional school in China.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:03:44 – 00:04:51) That’s right, that’s right. So, the vast majority of schools train students to get into a Chinese college, and it’s a system of rote memorization. So you just have to memorize books and books of knowledge. Yeah, you take a multiple choice test. If you pass it, then you go into a good college. And these are students whose parents don’t want their kids to go through that path because it’s very stressful. You know, 80% of Beijing high school students have been diagnosed as depressed or— 8%? 80%. Oh, 80%. 80% of Beijing high school students have been diagnosed as having some sort of mental problem. And it could be stress. It could be burnout. It could be depression, but it’s a huge issue in China. And so these are students who have opted out of that traditional path and they want to go to the United States. And so you need to provide them an education that focuses on English as well as teaching them reading and writing skills.
DANNY JONES: (00:04:53 – 00:04:55) Now, is this specific to Beijing or is this throughout China?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:04:55 – 00:04:56) This is throughout China.
DANNY JONES: (00:04:56 – 00:04:57) Throughout China.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:04:57 – 00:05:06) So right now there are about 200,000, 300,000 Chinese students studying in an American college, like a 4-year undergraduate program.
DANNY JONES: (00:05:06 – 00:05:23) Yeah, I heard something about— I read in this book one time, I can’t remember what book it was, but it was explaining how the reason that Chinese are so much better at, math is something to do with the language, like the Chinese language.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:05:24 – 00:05:27) Yeah, so I think you’re referring to Malcolm Gladwell.
DANNY JONES: (00:05:27 – 00:05:29) Yes, that’s what it was.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:05:29 – 00:05:30) He wrote a book called Outliers.
DANNY JONES: (00:05:30 – 00:05:31) Yes, that’s what it was.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:05:31 – 00:06:08) He’s trying to explain why Chinese are so good at math. And he has a very funny theory that is not scholarly or academic in any way, but his argument is that the human brain can only absorb so many syllables at once. And because in English a lot of these numbers have multiple syllables, like 11, right? But in Chinese, they’re just one syllable. So it’s easier for Chinese to remember long strings of digits. And that’s his theory.
DANNY JONES: (00:06:09 – 00:06:10) You don’t agree with that?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:06:11 – 00:06:12) I don’t agree with Malcolm Gladwell.
DANNY JONES: (00:06:12 – 00:06:15) So what makes the Chinese so much better at math than us?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:06:16 – 00:06:25) It’s a system that prioritizes math above everything else. So our math students are like football stars in high school.
DANNY JONES: (00:06:26 – 00:06:27) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:06:27 – 00:06:46) That’s wild. It’s wild. And so what happens is, you know, you show an aptitude for mathematics and you are given very special treatment by the teachers, right? So if you do well on math tests, you’re considered a genius and therefore you don’t have to follow the rules. You can curse out the teacher. You can bully your classmates.
DANNY JONES: (00:06:46 – 00:06:46) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:06:47 – 00:06:50) Same as football stars in the United States. Exactly the same system.
DANNY JONES: (00:06:51 – 00:07:11) What kind of jobs are these math wizards in China getting? Like, what’s the ultimate goal for these guys? Is there any sort of— is it sort of any similarities with sort of the individualistic view of the United States where people want to climb the ladder, gain wealth, you know, drive a nice car, get a hot girl? How is it compared to that?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:07:11 – 00:07:13) It’s exactly the same.
DANNY JONES: (00:07:14 – 00:07:14) Really?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:07:14 – 00:07:29) Because, you know, these football stars, they’re aiming for the NFL, right? These math stars are aiming for AI, artificial intelligence, because if you work for Meta, right, that’s like half a million starting salary. That’s the NFL of AI.
DANNY JONES: (00:07:30 – 00:07:30) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:07:30 – 00:07:31) It’s the same system.
DANNY JONES: (00:07:32 – 00:07:33) And they can do that from China? They have to move to the US?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:07:34 – 00:07:42) So they go for the Chinese system and then they come to the United States for graduate study. So they go to Stanford.
DANNY JONES: (00:07:42 – 00:07:51) Or is that a common thing for these people in the Chinese education system to strive to want to go to the United States?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:07:51 – 00:07:52) That’s exactly right.
DANNY JONES: (00:07:52 – 00:07:53) Yeah, interesting.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:07:53 – 00:08:17) Because, the dream is this: the dream is to work your ass off, come to the United States to do a graduate program in data science or artificial intelligence, then get a professorship for about 10 years, and you go back to China, and then you are now like a superstar. You have unlimited funding. And, you get hot girls.
DANNY JONES: (00:08:18 – 00:08:18) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:08:18 – 00:08:19) And, yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:08:20 – 00:08:31) Are there— is there anyone else like you that is educating people in China on the things that you’re talking about? Like these, you know, I mean, to the common— to the uninitiated, the stuff sounds wacky.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:08:32 – 00:08:32) Yeah, right.
DANNY JONES: (00:08:32 – 00:08:46) You’re talking about secret societies and you’re talking about all kinds— the Rothschilds— and you’re talking about geopolitics and like the devil’s chessboard type stuff. So how many Chinese students in China are aware of this kind of stuff?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:08:47 – 00:09:06) Well, I mean, when you watch my video and I’m teaching, there’s in the back exactly one student, watching me. So just one? Maybe there’s— sometimes when I’m lucky, there’s 2. You know, if I’m having a good day, I get 2 students.
DANNY JONES: (00:09:06 – 00:09:07) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:09:07 – 00:09:26) Yeah. But one runs the camera. No, no, it’s the silliest operation because what I do is I get a tripod and I put the camera on the tripod. I turn it on, then I teach, then I turn it off and I upload it to YouTube. That’s the extent of my production values.
DANNY JONES: (00:09:26 – 00:09:34) I really love your whiteboard because I thought I was fooled. I thought it was a chalkboard and then you started changing the colors on it. I was super impressed. That’s really cool.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:09:34 – 00:09:36) Everyone loves that thing.
DANNY JONES: (00:09:36 – 00:09:39) Yeah. I think Patrick Bet-David loves it a lot too.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:09:39 – 00:09:40) Yeah, he does.
DANNY JONES: (00:09:40 – 00:09:41) He tried to take a page out of your book.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:09:41 – 00:09:52) You see that? Yeah. Yeah. No, everyone complains because I left the school and they’re like, you need to go back to the school and get that blackboard, whiteboard back and go back to your old teaching.
DANNY JONES: (00:09:53 – 00:09:58) Did that, that whiteboard company needs to reach out to you. They need to, you need to do a deal with them. I’m sure they would.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:09:58 – 00:10:03) They’re getting a lot of promo.
DANNY JONES: (00:10:04 – 00:10:22) They are. They are getting a lot of promo. Yeah. So you started doing these videos about the history of the United States, and you have a couple students in your class in China. And, you said it was— what’s— was there a specific video that sort of like exploded on YouTube and you were just like, holy shit, what’s happening?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:10:23 – 00:11:25) Yeah, so the video that started to gain traction online is, last June, I made a video on the fall and decline of American empire. And, towards the end of the video, I predicted that Israel would attack Iran. And a couple days later, that’s exactly what happened. And that got me about— so last May, I was at 200 subscribers on YouTube, and my goal was to reach 5,000 in maybe a year. My dream was to have 5,000 YouTube subscribers. And I thought that I would have made it if I did that. So after that video and after the 12-day war last June, I went in a month to about 400,000 subscribers. And then this March, the United States attacks Iran. And now I’m close to 2.8 million subscribers.
DANNY JONES: (00:11:25 – 00:11:26) That’s bonkers in a year.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:11:26 – 00:11:29) Yeah, it’s crazy. It’s crazy.
DANNY JONES: (00:11:30 – 00:11:31) And I, I was kind of asking you—
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:11:31 – 00:11:34) thank you, CCP. Yeah, thank you for— for—
DANNY JONES: (00:11:34 – 00:11:35) they’re doing a great job.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:11:35 – 00:11:37) Yeah, thank you for, yes, investing in me.
DANNY JONES: (00:11:37 – 00:11:45) Yes. By the way, is there like different rules in China for YouTube than there is in the United States?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:11:45 – 00:11:46) Yeah, it’s not allowed.
DANNY JONES: (00:11:47 – 00:11:49) No, YouTube’s not— yeah, how the hell do you do it then?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:11:49 – 00:11:53) It’s illegal to watch YouTube and it’s illegal to post on YouTube.
DANNY JONES: (00:11:54 – 00:11:57) Then how— so why aren’t you in jail? Oh yeah, CCP. I forgot that.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:11:57 – 00:11:59) Yeah, that’s right, that’s right.
DANNY JONES: (00:11:59 – 00:12:00) Special privileges.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:12:00 – 00:12:21) That’s right. No, so, I’m a foreigner and I’m basically posting to a foreign audience. The best way to see— the best way to understand this is like, just pretend I’m a Martian making videos for people back at Mars, right? Does it really affect people on Earth? Not really. Do the governments of Earth care? Not really.
DANNY JONES: (00:12:21 – 00:12:24) Right, but like, so how do you go on to YouTube then if you’re in China?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:12:24 – 00:12:26) Oh, VPN. Everyone has a VPN.
DANNY JONES: (00:12:26 – 00:12:29) Oh really? Yeah. So the Chinese haven’t figured out how to stop the VPNs?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:12:29 – 00:12:30) They have.
DANNY JONES: (00:12:30 – 00:12:32) I thought they have some like crazy firewall.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:12:32 – 00:13:35) Yeah, so I think there are secret agreements between VPN companies and the Chinese state, because, and I think this because their Chinese VPNs will block certain sensitive news articles about China, right? So what the Chinese state recognizes is you can’t block off the internet because how will scholars, how will professors do research, right? The reality is that most information is in English and it’s across the firewall. So you just block China off, then, your professors, your researchers, your academics will fall way behind, right? So I think they make this compromise where, okay, well, there’s this gray area where we allow certain people to access the internet. Because remember, the thing about the internet is that it’s in English, and 99% of people in China do not speak English. So it’s not really a problem for China.
DANNY JONES: (00:13:35 – 00:13:43) Yeah, if you were speaking in Chinese to a Chinese audience, well, first of all, they would catch you because people in China can’t watch YouTube. They have a specific platform.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:13:43 – 00:13:43) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (00:13:44 – 00:13:49) Right. That’s right. And what is it called? So there’s one giant social media platform that everyone talks on and communicates on. Is that true?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:13:50 – 00:13:51) It’s called WeChat.
DANNY JONES: (00:13:51 – 00:13:53) So WeChat is all there is?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:13:54 – 00:14:30) There are other social media, but WeChat is, the most common. And WeChat is crazy because you just open up WeChat and you can order an Uber or taxi on WeChat, go to the restaurant, and then on your WeChat you can order a meal and then pay for it and then leave. And WeChat has all your data, like from the moment you get up to the moment you go to bed. WeChat is monitoring everything you do. It has all your communication with all your friends, and it’s able to track you.
DANNY JONES: (00:14:30 – 00:14:35) Do they, do they make— do they have like wearable devices you have to wear to like track your heart rate and all that stuff?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:14:35 – 00:14:37) It’s coming, right?
DANNY JONES: (00:14:37 – 00:14:39) You know, like Oura Ring just did a partnership with Palantir.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:14:40 – 00:14:40) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (00:14:40 – 00:14:46) Where they’re getting— I don’t know what they’re doing, but they’re— yeah, they have access to the data. Yeah, yeah, something like that, I would imagine.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:14:46 – 00:15:14) Yeah. So I will say this, I will say that the surveillance in the United States, it is much more sophisticated than in China, really. Because, for example, I can turn off my geolocator on my phone in China, but with my Apple iPhone in the United States, I don’t, I don’t know how to do that. My phone in the United States, it’s tracking a lot more information about me than my phone back in China.
DANNY JONES: (00:15:15 – 00:15:27) How so? It’s just because you’re saying with the way the iPhones are set up, you can turn it— you can basically turn the iPhone completely off and it still listens and tracks locations and stuff like that, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:15:27 – 00:15:43) So on my Chinese phone, I usually turn off my GPS. But like on my, you know, on my iPhone here in the United States, I’m not sure how I turn off my, GPS, my geo tracker. Yeah, right.
DANNY JONES: (00:15:43 – 00:15:46) I see what you’re saying. Do you guys have TikTok in China still?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:15:47 – 00:15:50) It’s not called TikTok, it’s called Douyin, right? But it’s the Chinese version. Yes.
DANNY JONES: (00:15:50 – 00:15:59) And is it true— I’ve heard so many, people talk about how there’s a curfew for that app for kids when it’s only like educational content.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:16:00 – 00:16:20) Yeah, it’s a great thing. Yeah, it’s true. Yeah, you guys should do it. Look, I mean, I talk trash about China all the time, but I think the fact that they limit, social media exposure to kids, it’s a wonderful thing. Yeah, because you look at how depressed teenagers are, especially girls, because of their exposure to social media. I mean, it’s a mental health crisis in the United States.
China’s Healthcare, Surveillance, and Political Envy
DANNY JONES: (00:16:20 – 00:17:54) Is there anything else nice you can say about China? I’m curious. I’m curious about misconceptions, right? Like misconceptions that normal people have, like even that I have about China. Like, what’s it— how bad is it? Like, we— when I think about China, I think of this crazy, you know, cameras everywhere monitoring everywhere you go, you know, like you talked about with the WeChat monitoring, all that stuff. And, you know, everyone is the same. They’re treated like robots.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:17:54 – 00:18:21) We have a great healthcare system. So I don’t have health insurance, but, you know, if I were to break my arm, I would go to a hospital and I would pay maybe $100 for them to do an X-ray and for them to prescribe some medication and for them to put me in a cast. It’d be nothing. Whereas United States, it would literally cost you an arm and a leg.
DANNY JONES: (00:18:23 – 00:18:26) What do you think’s the more optimal nation-state, China or the United States?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:18:27 – 00:18:33) I mean, if I had to choose where to live, I would definitely choose to live in the United States.
DANNY JONES: (00:18:34 – 00:18:36) If you had to choose which country you were— you got to run?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:18:37 – 00:18:42) Oh well, China. It’s a lot easier to run a nation without guns.
DANNY JONES: (00:18:42 – 00:18:47) I, I think that— I think the American leaders are very envious of China.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:18:47 – 00:19:00) I think so. But, but not just the leaders. I think the elite in general, right? The oligarchy, they’re very envious of the Chinese system because of how obedient, right, Chinese are.
DANNY JONES: (00:19:00 – 00:19:13) And I think that they’re just— I think we’re frustrated— not we, but those people, the elite of the United States— are frustrated that they have to continue this lie of democracy because that’s not what they are or what they want to be.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:19:13 – 00:19:28) No, you look at the opposition towards data centers in the United States, right? I mean, people are angry about data centers, but in China, no one ever complains about data centers. People just don’t believe they have a right to protest.
The One-Child Policy and Its Legacy
DANNY JONES: (00:19:29 – 00:19:37) And then talk to me about that— we were talking a little bit about this last night, the, the one-child policy.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:19:37 – 00:19:38) Sure, sure.
DANNY JONES: (00:19:38 – 00:19:44) In China. So, you were explaining to me that people don’t want to have girls.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:19:44 – 00:19:44) Yes.
DANNY JONES: (00:19:44 – 00:19:55) Because the girls marry off to another family, and it’s— and, like they’re— the lineage of a family is very, very important to the culture of China and to the families that are living in China.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:19:55 – 00:19:56) Yes.
DANNY JONES: (00:19:56 – 00:20:01) So, and, and the healthcare system doesn’t extend past the first child.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:20:01 – 00:23:43) Yes. Okay. So, I’m, I’m saying— I’m talking about like the People’s Republic of China, which was founded in 1949. For most of its history, it was a socialist nation. And we call this the Iron Rice Bowl system, in that the state guarantees you a job, healthcare, and a pension. And during this time, the first major leader was Chairman Mao Zedong, and he had certain ideas about how to run a country. And he believed in population growth. He believed that nations that encouraged childbearing would be more successful than other nations. And so, during this time, and this, this from the 1950s until the late 1970s, parents were encouraged to have as many children as possible. And you had this population explosion in China. And then, the next leader, the next paramount leader named Deng Xiaoping, he comes into power in the late ’70s, early ’80s, and he’s very concerned about population growth because he understands that the more people you have, the greater the strain on resources. So, to reverse a lot of Mao Zedong’s policies, they institute something called the one-child policy. And as a family, you’re only permitted one child. And if you had more than one child, these children would be removed from the social system. They would not be guaranteed jobs. They would lose access to schooling and to healthcare. Plus, parents would be given a huge fine. So this was pretty easily implemented in the cities, in the urban areas. If you’re a government official, you got promoted based on your adherence to the one-child policy. If you had more than one child, then you lost your job as a government official. This was a lot harder to implement in the countryside because the countryside is obviously much more traditional and they believe in the importance of having sons for a variety of reasons. The main reason is the socialist system didn’t really extend to the countryside. So there was no welfare, there was no pension. So you needed labor, you needed boys. If you had girls, you could spend 20 years feeding and raising this girl, but then when she was 20, she could run off and marry someone else and you would lose that labor. Also, lineage is very important. So you want to continue your family clan. You know, a source of pride is to have a family that extended like back thousands of years. And there are families that do extend back thousands of years. So a son is really important. So this was a huge problem in the countryside, so much so that infanticide became a huge problem, right? Infanticide is where they kill the girl at maybe 1 month or 1 week after she’s born in order to have a son. And there are families who might kill 3 or 4 girls before they have a son. And now there’s a 50 million gender imbalance in China. There are 50 million more boys than there are girls in China.
DANNY JONES: (00:23:45 – 00:23:45) That’s insane.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:23:45 – 00:23:46) It is insane.
DANNY JONES: (00:23:47 – 00:23:57) And is that strictly, strictly within a specific age group, or is that like— is it like that with the older population as well as the younger population?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:23:57 – 00:24:07) Yeah, so, the one-child policy was implemented in the 1980s, so we’re talking about, people between— basically, yeah, yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:24:07 – 00:24:18) Wow. Not that like I am an advocate of killing any baby, whether it’s born or unborn. But why do they wait until after it’s born?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:24:19 – 00:24:22) Because they don’t know if it’s a girl or boy until after it’s born.
DANNY JONES: (00:24:22 – 00:24:23) Oh yeah, so they don’t do the—
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:24:24 – 00:24:32) it is illegal. It’s illegal for a doctor to tell you the gender of your child, so they have to wait until the—
DANNY JONES: (00:24:33 – 00:24:33) why is that illegal?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:24:34 – 00:24:58) Because if they, if they told, the parents, then, every parent would abort the girl, right? Because they want the boy. So if you at age— at 1 month, if the fetus is 1 month and you know it’s a girl, then you abort it right away. Oh, I see, right? So they make it illegal.
DANNY JONES: (00:25:00 – 00:25:01) Wow, that’s insane.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:25:02 – 00:25:20) Yeah, I have 3 kids. They’re all born in China. And, you know, we really wanted a girl. And, we didn’t know it was a boy or girl until, you know, he came out of the womb and we saw the penis.
DANNY JONES: (00:25:21 – 00:25:22) Oh, really?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:25:22 – 00:25:23) Yeah, yeah. The doctor—
DANNY JONES: (00:25:24 – 00:25:26) the doctor, they keep you on the edge of your seat, but the doctor knows?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:25:27 – 00:25:28) The doctor knows, yes.
DANNY JONES: (00:25:28 – 00:25:29) Right, because you guys still have the technology.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:25:29 – 00:25:34) That’s right. The doctor will not tell you. Wow. Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:25:34 – 00:25:36) So none of your children were born in the US?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:25:36 – 00:25:38) That’s right, they were all born in China.
DANNY JONES: (00:25:38 – 00:25:47) Wow, man. And do you think that— do you think— so you think you want to raise your kids in the US or somewhere outside of China?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:25:48 – 00:25:59) Yeah, so this is an issue we’re struggling with because we don’t like the, Chinese system. Because you know how, in the United States, kids start doing sports at 3 or 4, right?
DANNY JONES: (00:25:59 – 00:25:59) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:25:59 – 00:26:39) Well, in China, they start doing math at 3 or 4. You know, like, they literally go to cram schools and they start doing algebra at age 3 or 4. And we’re like, that’s insane. That is insane because the kids are not mentally equipped to do abstract thinking at that age. I know because I’ve worked in education all my life. And, you’re really stunting the mental growth of the majority of kids. The problem is the Chinese system is a winner-take-all system. So it’s almost like this— it’s really the same as the football system here where, you know what, 1,000 kids try football, one will make it, and everyone else will have an injury or— yeah, yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:26:39 – 00:26:56) Well, I don’t understand. Like, I, I mean, I see what you’re saying. There’s no emphasis on abstract thinking because it’s all very mathematical. And, you know, if you look at the economy of China, it’s, you know, the majority— it’s not creative.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:26:56 – 00:26:56) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (00:26:56 – 00:26:57) For the most part, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:26:57 – 00:26:58) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (00:26:58 – 00:27:08) But, you know, the schools in the U.S. aren’t really promoting abstract or creative thinking either. It’s also a very rigidized, like, cookie-cutter system.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:27:08 – 00:27:28) Yes, yes. Also, what I don’t like about the United States is how kids are prescribed medication at a very early age. So if you’re a boy and you’re, you know, you jump around and ask questions, Adderall. Yeah. They think you have ADHD just for being a boy.
DANNY JONES: (00:27:28 – 00:27:29) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:27:29 – 00:27:36) And I think that is just inhumane. I mean, boys, I have 2 boys and you have 2 boys as well. They run around.
DANNY JONES: (00:27:36 – 00:27:36) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:27:36 – 00:27:59) They have a lot of energy. They’re going to challenge authority. They’re going to ask questions. They’re curious. And this is something that should be encouraged. But when they go to school, they’re considered a problem. They’re considered to have ADHD, they’re prescribed Adderall, and, I think it really screws them up for the rest of their lives. So I’m not— I would not be happy sending my children to a formal school anywhere, right?
DANNY JONES: (00:27:59 – 00:28:22) Well, at least you have, you know, the ability to stay informed with that stuff here, right? We have access to things like the internet, and you can get a variety of different opinions on what’s going on and, you know, listen to people like you talk about this stuff. And, you know, the problem— the problem is like the uneducated lower class of people who don’t have the time to pay attention to any of that stuff. And they’re just sort of like in the system.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:28:22 – 00:28:22) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:28:22 – 00:29:47) Right. They’re, they’re, they’re in the healthcare system paying their deductible and they don’t have time to pay attention to any of that other stuff. Yeah. So they just kind of do whatever they’re told to do and they know that this is, this is what you’re supposed to do. Put your kid into school and, you know, do the— whatever the teacher or the doctor recommends is what you should probably do.
China’s Food Dependence and Global Manufacturing
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:29:49 – 00:30:17) The other thing I will say about the US system that’s bad for kids is the food. Yeah, I mean, we’ve been here, for about 2 weeks, my son and I, my eldest son, who you met last night. And like, the food, it’s poison, right? Because it’s so much salt, fat, and, sugar. And obesity, obesity is a huge problem here. It’s a growing problem actually in China as well.
DANNY JONES: (00:30:17 – 00:30:18) Really? There’s fat people in China?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:30:19 – 00:30:20) Well, yeah, because there’s rich people in China now.
DANNY JONES: (00:30:20 – 00:30:32) Wow. Yeah, so I haven’t seen any China fatties before. I’ve never been. Yeah, I mean, talking about here. Yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah, most Chinese, most Chinese are very fit that I’ve seen.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:30:32 – 00:30:51) Well, they’re thin. I wouldn’t say they’re fit, but, you go to Beijing, it’s a growing problem because the Western lifestyle, it’s penetrating China. So, it’s a high carb, high fat. Interesting.
DANNY JONES: (00:30:51 – 00:30:54) Yeah, China has a food problem, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:30:56 – 00:30:58) What do you mean? What do you mean by food problem?
DANNY JONES: (00:30:58 – 00:31:08) I believe that, La Lei, when she was here, she was explaining to us that there’s a, China relies on importing all of its food.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:31:08 – 00:31:59) That’s correct. Yes. So China imports, about a quarter of its food, which is crazy. Because China is primarily an agricultural nation. So what happened was that during the 1980s, they transferred farmers into factories, right? They encouraged people to leave the countryside and move to the cities to work in factories. And if you do that, you industrialize, then you are no longer food self-sufficient. And so they started to import a lot of food from overseas. Before, China was importing most of its soybeans actually from the United States. But after the trade war started, you know, the trade war started in 2018, China started to import more soybeans from Brazil. But China does import most of its oil and most of its food from overseas.
DANNY JONES: (00:32:00 – 00:32:07) Does Apple, I think Apple diversified a bunch of its manufacturing hubs out of China.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:32:08 – 00:32:08) Not really.
DANNY JONES: (00:32:08 – 00:32:09) Not really?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:32:09 – 00:32:49) So what happened was this. So it’s almost impossible to compete with China in terms of low-cost manufacturing. Just because the Chinese system, there’s so many people and they have basic skills and they’re pretty obedient. Also, China has an amazing logistics network. So what happened was to get around sanctions, a lot of these factories that used to be based in China moved to Vietnam, right, and other parts of Southeast Asia, even Mexico. Yeah, so you’re still working with these Chinese subcontractors, but, to get around, trade—
DANNY JONES: (00:32:49 – 00:32:54) so the Chinese companies put warehouses in other countries, factories in Malaysia, Vietnam?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:32:55 – 00:33:01) Yes, they move. Wow. Yes. So it’s still— China is still supplying most of the world’s manufacturing. Yes.
DANNY JONES: (00:33:01 – 00:33:06) Is this suicide net thing real? You know how they had the stories that there were suicide nets around the factories, like the Apple factories?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:33:07 – 00:33:11) That’s right. So, the factory you’re referring to is called Foxconn.
DANNY JONES: (00:33:11 – 00:33:12) Foxconn, yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:33:12 – 00:33:41) And Foxconn is the main subcontractor to Apple, right? So Apple is mainly design and marketing. It’s Foxconn that actually manufactures the iPhones. And these are cities, these are like huge dystopian cities of like hundreds of thousands of workers, and they’re treated like cattle. They literally are human cattle. And as you can imagine, to— yeah, yeah, this is exactly what it looks like.
DANNY JONES: (00:33:41 – 00:33:44) Whoa, this looks like something out of a freaking, Adam Curtis documentary.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:33:44 – 00:33:49) Yeah, it’s dystopian. Yeah, and they’re huge. They’re like, they’re literally cities.
DANNY JONES: (00:33:49 – 00:33:50) Show me some more pictures.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:33:50 – 00:33:50) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:33:51 – 00:33:54) Oh wow, there’s the nets. Oh wow, that’s right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:33:54 – 00:34:26) And they’re designed like prison systems, right? So you live in a place, and when you get up, you go to the assembly line and you do this thing for 8, 10 hours. And as you can imagine, it has tremendous impact on the mental health of these people, right? So some people become suicidal, and then they, you know, in a moment of anxiety and stress, they just jump and kill themselves. And that’s why they have these suicide nets. But this is a huge problem in China.
DANNY JONES: (00:34:26 – 00:34:29) And, Terry, this was very bad PR for Apple.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:34:29 – 00:34:32) Yeah, I’m sure it’s pretty bad PR, and they deserve it.
DANNY JONES: (00:34:32 – 00:34:33) Did they do anything about it?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:34:34 – 00:34:55) I don’t think they did. Yeah, because people like their iPhones. And I think that if you were to manufacture the iPhone in the United States, it’d be like 5 times the cost at least. Right, right. So like, do you want your cheap iPhone or do you want human rights in China? That’s your option.
DANNY JONES: (00:34:55 – 00:35:05) That’s crazy. Yeah, absolutely crazy. Not only that, they’re using slave labor to get all the lithium, right? They have the lithium, they’re the mines that they’re mining all the, not lithium.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:35:05 – 00:35:05) What’s the other?
DANNY JONES: (00:35:05 – 00:35:09) There’s rare earths. The rare earth minerals that they need to create like the batteries.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:35:09 – 00:35:27) So yeah, it’s so— I mean, people don’t appreciate that China has a rare earth monopoly because China is willing to sacrifice its people and its environment in order to extract the rare earths. The United States has plenty of rare earths, but you guys want clean water and clean air and trees and grass, right? Right.
DANNY JONES: (00:35:28 – 00:35:30) So yeah, we don’t want to pollute all that stuff.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:35:30 – 00:35:38) That’s right. And like, and honestly, like, rare earth extraction is probably the most environmentally costly activity on the planet.
Chinese Cartels, Money Laundering, and Financial Repression
DANNY JONES: (00:35:39 – 00:35:43) What do you know about, or how much have you looked into, Chinese involvement with the Mexican cartels?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:35:44 – 00:35:45) Oh yeah, it’s huge. Yeah, it’s huge.
DANNY JONES: (00:35:46 – 00:36:17) Yeah, I know they’re— I’ve heard stories from cartel reporters that I’ve talked to where, you know, they’ve explained, you know, the cartel is basically everywhere. It’s ubiquitous in Mexico. They do everything from security, they’ll run security for like, you know, the Ford Motor Company, you know, when they’re— when you know, patrolling like the perimeter of their factories and things like that. Also companies that are running lithium mines in Mexico, they also need heavy security. So the cartel kind of is— they’re kind of like fixers everywhere there. And I know that China is very deeply involved.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:36:17 – 00:37:22) Yeah. So, you know, the reality is that if you go to Mexico, the cartels are probably the most, efficient part of the country. Yeah, right. So, and the Chinese don’t care who they work with, as long as the job gets done. But the main point of cooperation between the cartels and China is actually in money laundering. So the cartels have a lot of cash. Yeah, right. They’re a cash-rich business. The problem is how do they legitimize this cash, right? That’s the cartel problem. China has a different problem. Because there are lots of rich Chinese and they need to move their money out of the country and preferably into the United States because there’s lots of, financial restrictions against moving your money out of the United States. So a Chinese citizen is only allowed to move $50,000 US out of China into the United States every year. Every year. So if you’re a millionaire, that sucks.
DANNY JONES: (00:37:23 – 00:37:24) That’s a slow process, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:37:24 – 00:38:22) So, so the way around this is through trade. Okay, so, so what I do is this, okay? And I’m talking hypothetically as well for simplicity’s sake. All right, so the Mexican cartel has boatloads of U.S. cash, right? So you borrow from the cartel like maybe $2 million, and they buy you a house in Flushing, Queens, New York. Okay, now you owe the cartels $2 million. And so how do you compensate them for that? Well, you do it through trade, right? So the cartels set up a factory, and you buy goods from this factory at an inflated price. Wow. And then the cartels now are able to launder their, you know, drug money, and the Chinese are able to launder their money in the United States to buy real estate.
DANNY JONES: (00:38:23 – 00:38:23) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:38:23 – 00:38:25) And that’s the main point of cooperation.
DANNY JONES: (00:38:25 – 00:38:35) Chinese rich people in China are using the Mexican cartels sort of as like, like mortgage lenders on real estate in the United States.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:38:35 – 00:38:36) Banks, basically.
DANNY JONES: (00:38:36 – 00:38:43) Banks, right. That’s crazy. And this is all to get around like the sanctions or like international laws, like trade laws?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:38:43 – 00:38:50) It’s to get around, the financial repression in China, right? Because, because—
DANNY JONES: (00:38:50 – 00:38:53) and this is because of the— this is not the United States, this is not the United States, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:38:53 – 00:39:58) So you are not allowed to convert. So the US dollar and the renminbi are not convertible, right? So, because the reality is, if you are a Chinese person and you’re allowed, and you’re allowed to convert, you would just convert all your renminbi into US dollars, right? Right, right. So, and this would cause a collapse of the, renminbi. Of the Chinese economy. So there are tremendous restrictions on that. And so, the way you get around that is by working with Mexican cartels. If you’re a millionaire and a billionaire, right, obviously, right, you have an ordinary person, you don’t really care, right? But you have a lot of money to burn, you need to invest it, and you need to move this capital overseas, right? Then you work for the cartels. And right now there’s a lot of anxiety in China because, over these past 10 years there’s been growing repression in China, especially against financial elite. So the classic case is Jack Ma. Who’s he? Jack Ma used to be China’s wealthiest person, and he runs a company called Alibaba. Jack Ma.
DANNY JONES: (00:39:58 – 00:39:59) Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:40:00 – 00:40:01) And he’s pretty famous here.
DANNY JONES: (00:40:01 – 00:40:02) Oh, this guy?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:40:02 – 00:40:50) Yep, Jack Ma, right? And he’s the poster boy for Chinese entrepreneurship. He was a rock star in China for the longest time, and he really thought he was untouchable because, he represented, Chinese entrepreneurship. And at this time, and this, like, you know, about— I’ve got the year, but maybe 2016, 2017, the Chinese economy was considered what legitimized the Communist Party. So the Communist Party had to ensure the entrepreneurs were happy, and he was the poster boy of entrepreneurship. So he started to, be arrogant, and then they shut him down.
DANNY JONES: (00:40:50 – 00:40:51) He’s like the Jeff Bezos of China.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:40:52 – 00:41:06) That’s right, that’s right. And you can’t touch Jeff Bezos in the United States, right? Right, right. Donald Trump cannot call Jeff Bezos in the White House and says, hey Jeff, you’ve been, naughty recently and we’re gonna have to teach you a lesson.
DANNY JONES: (00:41:06 – 00:41:07) Naughty, naughty.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:41:07 – 00:41:09) You’ve been naughty, right? You can’t do that.
DANNY JONES: (00:41:09 – 00:41:12) No, Jeff’s gonna hop on the yacht and he’ll be out of town in no time.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:41:12 – 00:41:20) Exactly right. So, so they did that to Jack Ma. They sanctioned him. And ever since, Chinese entrepreneurship has been very afraid.
DANNY JONES: (00:41:21 – 00:41:22) They sanctioned him?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:41:22 – 00:41:23) Yes, yes.
DANNY JONES: (00:41:23 – 00:41:41) So he doesn’t have— he didn’t have a, I mean, if I’m him and I’m the richest dude in China, yeah, I would be doing everything I can to diversify my wealth out of China, right? Yes, but to where if China sanctioned my money, my Chinese bank accounts, I’m fine.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:41:42 – 00:41:57) That’s right. And so a lot of entrepreneurs are doing that. The problem is that, within each Chinese company is a Communist Party cell that monitors the activities of this company, right? Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:41:57 – 00:42:00) So what ended up happening to Jack Ma?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:42:01 – 00:42:08) Jack Ma moved to Japan and he’s basically retired. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he’s still rich, but he’s not as powerful as he used to be.
Xi Jinping, the “Plantation Economy,” and China’s Red Nobility
DANNY JONES: (00:42:09 – 00:42:41) So what is the current, state of affairs with Xi Jinping? Where do you think, he is gonna end up in the near to mid future as far as like, how much support does he have from the people, from the people around him, the powerful people around him in the government? Is there any sort of like opposition against him right now?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:42:41 – 00:42:41) Or—
DANNY JONES: (00:42:42 – 00:42:50) and then also, what is his whole view? I— and this is getting too complicated, but what is his whole view on like everything else that’s happening with the US and all this stuff?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:42:50 – 00:45:18) Right, okay, that’s a great question, but it’s a very complicated question. Yeah, okay, so I need to explain to you how this Chinese system works first. Okay, so the year is 1949 and the Communist Party comes into power. Mao Zedong is the leader and there’s tremendous jubilation, and joy that the Communist Party has come into power because they promise a socialist paradise, they promise worker rights, they want to modernize and industrialize the economy. Okay, so there are millions of overseas Chinese, who’ve returned to China to help build China. And but over time, there is a split between Mao Zedong, the supreme leader, and the Chinese Communist Party elite, right? Mao Zedong wants a new China that is focused on equality, on, worker rights. But the revolutionary elite, his comrades, they want a more bureaucratic China. And Mao Zedong believed that if you had a bureaucratic China, you know, a nation run by bureaucrats, China would end up being corrupt because China has been a bureaucratic state for the past 5,000 years. And throughout this time, it was very corrupt, meaning you had an elite that exploited the people. And, the phrase that I would use to describe China is a plantation economy. It’s a slave society, right, where you have landlords and everyone else is a peasant and they’re working their ass off in order, so that the landlord couldn’t play mahjong every day. And, and, and over time, this leads to famine and peasant rebellions. Okay, so Mao wanted to create a new China, and, so he launched a Cultural Revolution. And the main purpose of the Cultural Revolution was destroy the bureaucratic elite, to go after the, revolutionary elite, the people he came into power with, right? He died before the revolution was completed. And so these, the old guard came together and says, screw this, we’re never going through this again. We will not allow another man like Mao Zedong to come into power. And we will never allow for the people to rise up again, against us.
DANNY JONES: (00:45:18 – 00:45:18) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:45:18 – 00:46:18) So they created collective leadership under Deng Xiaoping. And they created essentially the fundamentals of a plantation economy, where the majority stakeholders would be these red nobility, these families that came into power because of a revolution. Over time, and this is really important, many members of the red nobility moved to the United States for education and for work. Okay, so the people who run China are not actually in China, they’re actually in the United States and they are inconspicuous. You don’t know who they are. The State Department knows who they are, the State Department keeps very close track of these people. And there’s like tens of thousands of them scattered throughout the world, primarily in the United States. And China is essentially their plantation. It’s no different from these British aristocrats who had sugar plantations back in the Caribbean. Okay. It’s the same concept.
DANNY JONES: (00:46:18 – 00:46:18) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:46:19 – 00:46:36) Yeah. Okay. So that’s the very structure of the Chinese system. After Deng Xiaoping died, you had a new set of leaders who came into power, and these were technocrats— people like Jiang Zemin, Zhu Rongji, Hu Jintao, Wen Jiabao. And they ran China for—
DANNY JONES: (00:46:36 – 00:46:37) what year are we talking?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:46:37 – 00:46:41) So, Deng Xiaoping died in about ’97.
DANNY JONES: (00:46:41 – 00:46:41) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:46:41 – 00:46:46) And then Zhu Rongji and, Jiang Zemin came to power in about ’98.
DANNY JONES: (00:46:47 – 00:46:47) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:46:47 – 00:48:09) And they established a technocracy. And the best way to understand a technocracy is, building a middle class, right? So you have this revolutionary elite that are the stakeholders of China. They have the real power because they control the military, okay? These are military families. They control the guns, okay? And then the compromise is let’s create a middle class to interface with the global economy, right? You— because these multinationals are coming in and you need, economists, you need, professionals, you need managers. And, they helped the Chinese economy to boom. And, this was good, but at the same time it was causing a lot of conflict and contradiction in China because it was leading to a lot of inequality, it was leading to a lot, a lot of corruption, it was creating a lot of debt. Okay, and the problem with working with the United States is Wall Street wanted China to liberalize its financial system. And what that means, it’s very simple, is Chinese households save more money than anyone else in the world. They save 40% of their income. Wall Street wanted access to this capital to invest, to speculate, okay? They wanted access to the Chinese financial system.
DANNY JONES: (00:48:09 – 00:48:11) They wanted people to invest in U.S. companies.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:48:12 – 00:48:12) In U.S. stocks.
DANNY JONES: (00:48:13 – 00:48:14) In U.S. stocks.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:48:14 – 00:48:14) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (00:48:14 – 00:48:14) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:48:15 – 00:48:33) They want to liberalize the Chinese financial system. And the Chinese didn’t want to do that because, as you can imagine, if the Chinese had an option of investing in U.S. companies, all the money in China would flow out of China into the United States.
DANNY JONES: (00:48:33 – 00:48:33) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:48:33 – 00:48:50) And China would go bankrupt. So President Xi Jinping was brought into power to, basically get rid of the cooperation between Wall Street and the middle class, to nationalize China again, right? To—
DANNY JONES: (00:48:50 – 00:48:52) oh, so there at one point was this cooperation?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:48:53 – 00:48:54) Yeah, between Wall Street.
DANNY JONES: (00:48:54 – 00:48:59) And so people at one point were allowed to invest in Wall Street stocks and companies?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:49:00 – 00:49:03) So, it didn’t get to that point.
DANNY JONES: (00:49:03 – 00:49:03) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:49:03 – 00:49:21) But the— but a lot of the, ingredients were already in place for this to happen, meaning, Wall Street had a huge presence in China. Wall Street had joint ventures with Chinese financial companies. A lot of Chinese middle-class people were moving to the United States and getting education.
DANNY JONES: (00:49:21 – 00:49:24) Now, is there any argument to be made that that would be a good thing for China?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:49:26 – 00:49:31) Sorry, that— no, that’s a very sensitive question. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
DANNY JONES: (00:49:31 – 00:49:31) Sorry, I hit a nerve.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:49:32 – 00:49:58) Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, you shook me there. Right. I don’t know how to go tell back my superiors in Beijing. But no. The argument is that the middle class is what drives democracy and what drives innovation in China. They are what, is called the creative class. And in a global economy, whichever nation-state has the most creative class will win out.
DANNY JONES: (00:49:59 – 00:50:02) Because in a global economy— say that one more time—
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:50:02 – 00:50:09) in a global economy, in a globalized economy, the nation-state that has the most creative class will win out.
DANNY JONES: (00:50:10 – 00:50:10) Why?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:50:11 – 00:50:50) Because, what drives the global economy is human knowledge, right? So, before, maybe resources drove the economy, but now it’s really about a nation-state’s capacity to produce knowledge, soft power, basically. So if they’re able to create really good AI that would, that would control the world economy, right? But to have really good AI, artificial intelligence, you need, a very vibrant middle class, right? So nation-states are competing for human capital.
DANNY JONES: (00:50:52 – 00:50:52) Got it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:50:53 – 00:51:02) Okay, okay. So if you want human capital, you need democracy. You need, talk about like, is it, is this similar to what you’re saying?
DANNY JONES: (00:51:03 – 00:51:07) Uh, would this be equivalent to like innovation? That’d be a good word to use.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:51:07 – 00:51:10) Exactly. If you want to drive innovation, you need a middle class.
DANNY JONES: (00:51:10 – 00:51:10) Got it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:51:10 – 00:51:22) Okay. But this middle class also has to be cosmopolitan and liberal and forward-looking. So, there’s a book, there’s a book by Richard Florida called, The Rise of the Creative Class.
DANNY JONES: (00:51:22 – 00:51:24) The Rise of the Creative Class.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:51:24 – 00:52:42) Yeah. By Richard Florida. And in it, he argues that the most creative people are drawn to cities that are the most open-minded. And he calls this the gay index. Okay. So cities with the highest proportion of gay people tend to be the most creative. And he refers to places like San Francisco, Austin, Texas. And what he argues is it’s these cities that will ultimately drive the global economy. So the argument is, if China really wants to overtake the United States, it needs a creative class, and therefore it needs to liberalize not only its economy but its society. And the red nobility and President Xi Jinping said, we don’t want that, right? Because it’s a plantation economy, right? Right. We just want to be able to extract value from the people. We don’t want the people to be creative because if they’re creative, that means they will want to overthrow the government. Right. Okay. So, so there was this contradiction. Did you want innovation or did you want control? And they said, no, we prefer control. President Xi was brought to power in order to exert control over the economy.
DANNY JONES: (00:52:43 – 00:52:43) Got it.
COVID-19 in China: Control Over Innovation
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:52:43 – 00:52:49) Yeah. And the classic example is COVID. Because I was actually in China when COVID happened.
DANNY JONES: (00:52:49 – 00:52:50) Oh, really?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:52:50 – 00:53:06) Yeah. So in 2003, I was in China during SARS and I was in Beijing and SARS was the best time of my life because like for 2 weeks, everyone just stayed in their apartment and I could just go out and drink beer and like the entire city was mine. It was like paradise.
DANNY JONES: (00:53:07 – 00:53:07) You weren’t scared?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:53:08 – 00:53:09) I wasn’t scared because everyone was at home.
DANNY JONES: (00:53:09 – 00:53:10) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:53:10 – 00:53:50) Right. So like, it’s an infectious disease. Are you better off in an apartment with like thousands of other people, right, in apartments, right? And ventilation is bad. Or are you better off outside drinking beer? You’re probably better off outside drinking beer, right? So I thought it was a great time. And then COVID happens, in this year 2021. And I thought same thing, man, but it was the complete opposite. And what I believe, because I, because, you know, by 2021, I was in China for a long, long time, and I believe the main paradigm was economic growth at all costs. We didn’t care what we had to do.
DANNY JONES: (00:53:51 – 00:53:51) What kind of growth?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:53:52 – 00:54:34) Economic growth at all costs, right? We’re going to grow the economy no matter what it takes, right? Because that’s the source of our legitimacy. But during COVID they completely upended that. It was a paradigm shift, and I didn’t think that was possible. But during COVID entrepreneurs were no longer able to go to the factories. Factories closed down. The real estate market tanked during COVID. The economy was basically destroyed, and it’s never really recovered. And I’m like, why would they do that? Why would they intentionally implode the Chinese economy, right? And the answer is they wanted control, not innovation. It’s a plantation economy.
DANNY JONES: (00:54:34 – 00:54:43) They wanted to exert control over the economy, even if it meant the entire economy collapses.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:54:43 – 00:54:47) Yes, yes, because they did not like the direction the economy was going.
DANNY JONES: (00:56:08 – 00:56:08) Do you know like the stats on what like the mortality rates were in China during that whole period?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:56:08 – 00:56:12) Dude, that’s a state secret, man. Yeah, that would that would get me killed.
DANNY JONES: (00:56:12 – 00:56:19) None of that none of that stuff is public. They don’t they don’t. I mean, I’m sure they made some sort of claims, right? Even though if it’s true or not, there’s got to be some sort of statements on it. No.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:56:20 – 00:56:25) I think it was a lot higher than is publicly acknowledged, right?
DANNY JONES: (00:56:25 – 00:56:28) I would, I would assume that, but that is a state secret.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:56:29 – 00:56:30) Yeah. Huh.
DANNY JONES: (00:56:30 – 00:56:33) COVID is probably the most sensitive topic right now in China, still to this day.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:56:34 – 00:57:07) Yeah. How it started, government policies, how many people died, why they ultimately decided to lift restrictions— it’s all state secret. It’s really, it’s really interesting because if you go to China, one thing that you’ll discover about China is that it has no memory. It’s a really interesting place. But if you talk to people about the 1980s, they don’t remember anything from the 1980s. It’s really strange. And the reason why is, you know, in an authoritarian nation-state memory has to be curated, right? Right, right, right.
DANNY JONES: (00:57:07 – 00:57:10) History class, it has to be very— exactly right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:57:10 – 00:57:13) So you’re not allowed to have your own memory. You’re only allowed—
DANNY JONES: (00:57:13 – 00:57:19) here’s how many people Mao killed, okay? You don’t want to tell them that, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:57:19 – 00:57:19) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:57:20 – 00:57:30) Or is it like that? Do they tell them like the truth about Mao? No. This is what I found. I don’t know. Okay. Yeah, it’s probably not true anyways.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:57:31 – 00:57:31) Yeah.
Xi Jinping’s Grip on Power and China’s Lack of Strategy
DANNY JONES: (00:57:33 – 00:57:50) Okay. What the back end of that question I was asking you is how much support does Xi have right now in China? And what do you think? Do you think, what do you think Xi’s view of the geopolitical landscape is?
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:57:50 – 00:59:52) Okay, so, all right, so let’s continue this narrative. Okay, okay, so I’ve already established that China is a plantation economy and the majority stakeholders are actually overseas, and what they’re interested in is not innovation because innovation does not help them. They’re only interested in stability and control, right? Because these are the people who control the hospitals, the power plants, the infrastructure, the telecommunications network. So as long as the nation-state is stable, they’re able to extract value. But with innovation, a lot of innovation, the profits from innovation go— would go to the middle class, to people like Jack Ma, and then they could present a threat to the control of the Communist Party, right? Okay, so they don’t want innovation, they want control. That’s, that’s part one. Part 2 is within China, even within the red nobility, there are many different political factions, and these political factions are fighting over control of the country. And, you know, we can argue about how many factions there are, but there’s quite a few. And so what is generally agreed is there has to be a strongman at the top to give the appearance of authoritarianism. And then these factions fight amongst themselves for the spoils. And what they agree on is right now President Xi is the only possible strongman for China. There can be no alternative to him. There’s no successor to him. There’s no succession plan in place. Right. So he is really the front man, the strongman for the system. But the problem with this is he has actually very little control over China. He’s an emperor with no clothes. It’s the factions and the red nobility that have control.
DANNY JONES: (00:59:53 – 00:59:53) Interesting.
XUEQIN JIANG: (00:59:53 – 00:59:54) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (00:59:55 – 01:00:05) And what is his view of— or what, what do you think his view and/or strategy is right now on the world stage?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:00:06 – 01:00:07) He has absolutely no strategy.
DANNY JONES: (01:00:07 – 01:00:08) No strategy?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:00:08 – 01:01:25) No strategy. So, I think, maybe 7, 8 years ago, many American journalists were kicked out of China. New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, they were kicked out of China. So ever since then, China’s essentially become a black box. There’s very little reporting about China. And if you think about it, that doesn’t really impact the world. I mean, Russia matters in the world, Iran matters, Israel matters a lot, but China doesn’t really matter. And the reason why China doesn’t really matter is it doesn’t seem to have a concrete foreign policy. It doesn’t seem to have a grand vision for the world. For China, what matters is peace and trade, right? Let’s just trade peacefully with everyone. And China’s not actually trying to expand its borders. It’s not actually trying to influence other nations. And the example is the Ukraine war and the Iran war. In the Ukraine war, it was expected that China would support Russia because President Xi and President Putin are good friends. But if you actually—
DANNY JONES: (01:01:25 – 01:01:27) well, the theory was that would push them even closer.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:01:28 – 01:02:01) That’s right. But, but that’s not what happened. In fact, if you look at Chinese companies, for the most part, they’ve respected U.S. sanctions against Russia, for the most part. And China doesn’t really talk about the war in Ukraine. Like, when I was in China during all this time, no one talked about the war in Ukraine. In fact, if people were to talk about it, they would say that Russia is the aggressor and Putin is wrong. Yes, there was no propaganda push by the Chinese state to promote the war in Ukraine. Hmm. China was very neutral.
DANNY JONES: (01:02:02 – 01:02:08) What is like the sentiment of normal everyday Chinese people, about the United States?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:02:09 – 01:02:42) Most people like the United States a lot, and the reason why is American soft power is really powerful. These are people who grew up watching Hollywood movies, right? They watch Friends, they watch Seinfeld. They love America. Even today, you know, if you were to go to China, lots of Chinese would come up to you and ask you, are you American? And they would ask— keep on asking you questions. They will want to become your friend. Right? But, but as you can appreciate, if you’re American, you go to other places, you wouldn’t get that reaction.
DANNY JONES: (01:02:42 – 01:02:43) No, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:02:43 – 01:02:57) So it’s really strange in that there’s this trade war going on between the United States and China, but at a people-to-people level, the Chinese people are extremely— have really strong impressions of Americans. They like Americans a lot. The strong affinity between Chinese and Americans.
DANNY JONES: (01:02:58 – 01:03:44) That’s wild. Yeah, it seems to me like, you know, China is being very rational in playing out this long game of the— this tug of war between all these nation-states right now. And it’s trying to be quiet, keep its head down, play the long game. And it’s learned from all the mistakes of the United States and, other countries that, you know, it’s not the greatest idea to go, you know, run around the world waving your gun around and overthrowing governments and all this stuff. It seems like they are being practical, for lack of a better word, and playing the long game throughout all this. And you don’t think that’s by intention? You don’t think that’s by design?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:03:44 – 01:04:19) You think that’s just— I think that’s not by design. I think the Chinese system has become extremely bureaucratic, very ossified, and, there’s really no one in control. It lacks the capacity to make critical decisions, right? So President Xi is not President Putin. President Putin can by himself declare war against Ukraine. President Trump can by himself declare war against Iran. President Xi cannot declare war against anyone. The system won’t allow it.
Taiwan, China, and the Regional Balance of Power
DANNY JONES: (01:04:21 – 01:04:31) Hmm. Well, one of the things that’s interesting is, is there’s been reporting on this conflict or this threat for them to take Taiwan.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:04:31 – 01:04:31) Yes.
DANNY JONES: (01:04:31 – 01:04:31) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:04:31 – 01:04:32) Yes.
DANNY JONES: (01:04:32 – 01:04:35) And I’ve had, you know, people— your friend Andrew Bustamante.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:04:36 – 01:04:38) Bustamante. Well, you’re good friends.
DANNY JONES: (01:04:38 – 01:04:39) You’re good friends. Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:04:39 – 01:04:39) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:04:39 – 01:04:42) I don’t know how you guys know each other, but you guys met somewhere.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:04:42 – 01:04:43) Yeah. Went to school together.
DANNY JONES: (01:04:43 – 01:04:55) We’ll let the commenters try to figure that one out. Yeah. He’s been on here speculating that— I think he tried to— he predicted on this show one time that China would take Ukraine by force.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:04:57 – 01:04:58) Oh, you’re talking about Taiwan.
DANNY JONES: (01:04:58 – 01:05:00) That’s why— I’m sorry, Taiwan.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:05:00 – 01:05:02) Yeah, yeah, right. Ukraine’s kind of far away.
DANNY JONES: (01:05:02 – 01:05:25) Yeah, yeah, he predicted that China would take Taiwan by force, I think sometime before 2025. That obviously didn’t come true. What it seems like now is there’s more of a diplomatic thing going on where one of the parties in Taiwan seems to be visiting China, and it’s like they’re, they’re working together now.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:05:25 – 01:05:51) Yeah. Yeah, that’s right. Okay, so some background. Okay, so in Taiwan there are 2 main political parties. There’s the Democratic Progressive Party, which is now currently in power, and then there’s the opposition party, the KMT, the Kuomintang. And the new leader of the Kuomintang is this very charismatic, woman named Cheng Liwen, and she’s very forceful. She’s very tall. I’m sure you’ve seen pictures of her, but she’s very tall.
DANNY JONES: (01:05:52 – 01:05:53) And what’s her name?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:05:53 – 01:05:56) Uh, Chen Liwen. But, but you can just Google Taiwan KMT leader.
DANNY JONES: (01:05:57 – 01:05:58) Okay, Taiwan KMT leader.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:05:58 – 01:06:16) Yeah. And, she recently went to China and she was met by President Xi Jinping, and they had a very good conversation. And she’s very much, in favor of strong relations between China— yeah, that’s who she is— between China and Taiwan.
DANNY JONES: (01:06:16 – 01:06:18) Get us a full body shot, Steve.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:06:18 – 01:06:22) Yeah, and like you can see how tall she is. She’s as tall as President Xi Jinping.
DANNY JONES: (01:06:22 – 01:06:22) Wow, look at that.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:06:23 – 01:07:00) Yeah, so she’s a very forceful personality. All right. And, she was educated in the United States, so she knows the U.S. system very well. Okay, so she’ll probably be the future leader of Taiwan, but her argument is very, very simple. Look, if you look at China and Taiwan, there’s no reason for any animosity between these two places. There’s about like, you know, half a million Taiwanese in Suzhou, just, just in one city, Suzhou, doing business there. You’ve got millions—
DANNY JONES: (01:07:00 – 01:07:01) Suzhou is a city in China?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:07:01 – 01:07:03) That’s right. Okay. It’s right beside Shanghai.
DANNY JONES: (01:07:03 – 01:07:03) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:07:04 – 01:08:40) And you’ve got millions of Taiwanese going to China to do business every single year. Taiwan’s only a population of 20 million people. The trade between Taiwan and China is growing rapidly. Right now, as the global economy sinks, then Taiwan will probably become even more dependent on China. If you’re a Taiwanese person, all you want is a good standard of living. You’re not interested in independence because what does independence get you, right? So just over time, what’s going to happen is Taiwan and China will just reunify peacefully over time. I’m talking over like the next 10, 20 years, right? And so what China can do is use economic carrots to lure Taiwan back in. And again, like, you know, if I’m offering, Taiwanese security as well as double their current income, I think the majority would take this deal, right? Okay, so that I think is China and Taiwan. And also, I will also point out that if I’m Donald Trump, I would encourage Taiwan and China to reunify. Do you know why? Because my main problem is Taiwan controls the semiconductor industry, right? They manufacture most of the world’s semiconductors. If Taiwan and China were to unify, I guarantee you the entire semiconductor industry in Taiwan would move over to the United States.
DANNY JONES: (01:08:41 – 01:08:41) Why?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:08:42 – 01:09:21) Because as a semiconductor manufacturer, I need to integrate with the global economy, right? So if I’m in the United States, it’s a lot like I can be secure in the knowledge that I’m still part of the global supply chain. But interesting, if I’m part of China now, they can basically use me as a point of leverage, like, like China is using rare earths, right? So it’s basically reunification would force, these Taiwanese semiconductor companies to move to the United States. In fact, it’s already happening. So TSMC has opened a plant in Arizona. I think it’s like $20 billion.
DANNY JONES: (01:09:22 – 01:09:22) Really? When was this?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:09:23 – 01:09:25) I think this was like a year ago.
DANNY JONES: (01:09:25 – 01:09:25) Can you—
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:09:25 – 01:09:28) oh wow, can you Google this? TSMC.
DANNY JONES: (01:09:28 – 01:09:28) TSMC.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:09:29 – 01:09:29) Arizona plant.
DANNY JONES: (01:09:30 – 01:09:31) Semiconductor plant.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:09:31 – 01:09:35) Yeah, so TSMC is the largest and it’s owned by the Taiwanese.
DANNY JONES: (01:09:36 – 01:09:36) The Taiwanese.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:09:37 – 01:09:43) Yeah, it’s a private company, but it’s based in Taiwan and they’re trying to move operations to Arizona and they want to manufacture there.
DANNY JONES: (01:09:44 – 01:09:49) That’s funny. So we’re manufacturing everything in China and China is manufacturing stuff in the United States, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:09:50 – 01:09:50) Right.
DANNY JONES: (01:09:50 – 01:10:04) Okay. TSMC Arizona started high-volume production at its first fabrication plant, Fab 21 in Phoenix, and the company recently expanded its total planned investment in the region to $265 billion.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:10:05 – 01:10:09) Yeah, so, so yeah, it’s not $20 billion. It’s— yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:10:09 – 01:10:09) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:10:10 – 01:10:36) But you can see it’s already happening, right? So if I’m Trump, I’m like, go ahead, reunify, okay? But, but, but here’s the kicker. Reunification is impossible. And the reason why is Japan. Okay. All right. So China— so it’s not— the issue is not China invading Taiwan. The issue is not the United States blocking the reunification. It’s Japan would not allow reunification to happen.
DANNY JONES: (01:10:36 – 01:10:37) What could Japan do to stop it?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:10:38 – 01:10:56) Okay. So let me explain why Japan would not go for this. So, the new Prime Minister Takaichi has said that Taiwan is core to Japan’s national security interests, and there’s a really good reason why. Okay, so I’m gonna draw your map.
DANNY JONES: (01:10:56 – 01:10:57) All right, Steve can pull one up here if you want.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:10:57 – 01:11:01) Okay, because you have a map of Taiwan and, Southeast Asia and Japan.
DANNY JONES: (01:11:02 – 01:11:10) We should have— we should have brought him a, whiteboard like that, the CEO diary guy. Yeah. Okay, oops, that was the wrong button.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:11:10 – 01:11:18) Where’s— yeah, go to map. Maps. Okay, if you see a map, okay, just click on the— yeah, there you go. Yeah, can you just draw it out? Can you just zoom out for me? Okay.
DANNY JONES: (01:11:18 – 01:11:22) All right, get rid of that sidebar. Click the little arrow in the middle. Yeah, right there.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:11:22 – 01:11:26) Okay. All right, got it. All right, so you see Japan at the top, right?
DANNY JONES: (01:11:27 – 01:11:30) Where’s Japan? That’s right there. I got it. Okay, I see it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:11:30 – 01:11:38) So Japan is resource poor, and traditionally Southeast Asia is what supplies Japan with most of its resources.
DANNY JONES: (01:11:38 – 01:11:39) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:11:39 – 01:11:56) Oil, food, all that. Okay. So Japan has very little resources. Historically, it’s engaged in piracy. Recently, it’s engaged in resource extraction from Southeast Asia. Okay. So Japan needs Southeast Asia. What’s between Japan and Southeast Asia?
DANNY JONES: (01:11:58 – 01:11:59) The East China Sea.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:11:59 – 01:12:04) What’s in the East China Sea? Taiwan. You see that?
DANNY JONES: (01:12:04 – 01:12:05) Oh, it’s right in the middle.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:12:05 – 01:12:22) That’s right, right. So what would happen is if Taiwan and China were to unify, China could use Taiwan to embargo Japan from Southeast Asia, and China can now go to colonize Southeast Asia. Do you see?
DANNY JONES: (01:12:23 – 01:12:23) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:12:23 – 01:12:26) And then Japan will be completely and utterly screwed.
DANNY JONES: (01:12:26 – 01:12:27) For all—
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:12:27 – 01:12:29) for it would cease to exist as a nation-state.
DANNY JONES: (01:12:29 – 01:12:29) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:12:30 – 01:12:31) Right? You see that?
DANNY JONES: (01:12:32 – 01:12:33) Oh yeah, I can see it now.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:12:33 – 01:12:40) Yeah. So Japan needs access to Southeast Asia for its resources. Taiwan would block that access.
DANNY JONES: (01:12:40 – 01:12:48) Can you show me on this, like, what do you consider Southeast Asia here? All right, so it’s hard to see the— it’s hard to see the borders of the boundaries.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:12:49 – 01:12:55) Cambodia, Thailand, okay, Malaysia, Indonesia, that’s Southeast Asia.
DANNY JONES: (01:12:55 – 01:12:59) This— yeah, that whole area is Southeast Asia, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:12:59 – 01:13:01) And you can see how Taiwan blocks access.
DANNY JONES: (01:13:03 – 01:13:14) So if China now owns Taiwan, you’re saying that China will be able to like charge a tax to everything that goes to Japan?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:13:14 – 01:13:22) No, no, what would happen is China would then go into Southeast Asia to colonize it. And if that were to happen, Japan—
DANNY JONES: (01:13:22 – 01:13:25) but why would they be able to colonize all of Southeast Asia just because they had that Taiwan?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:13:26 – 01:13:36) So if Taiwan were not part of the picture, Japan and China were to compete for influence in Southeast Asia. Okay, does that make sense?
DANNY JONES: (01:13:37 – 01:13:37) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:13:37 – 01:13:56) Okay, the problem is Japan has a far greater influence over Southeast Asia than China because Japan has soft power. It has anime. It has like, like Southeast Asians. Like if you look at polling, Southeast Asians have a very high.
DANNY JONES: (01:13:57 – 01:13:58) They like Japan.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:13:58 – 01:13:59) They like Japan. All Japan.
DANNY JONES: (01:13:59 – 01:14:02) Japan does better. Yeah, exactly. They got a better PR team.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:14:02 – 01:14:26) Right, right. So if you’re like Vietnam, you’re like, you know, do I want to work with China more? Do I want to work with Japan more? Oh, obviously Japan because China is this big dragon. Right, right. Okay, and so if China were to take over Taiwan, then Taiwan could embargo Japan, and then China can just like very easily move into Southeast Asia.
DANNY JONES: (01:14:27 – 01:14:29) That makes sense.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:14:29 – 01:14:29) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:14:29 – 01:14:32) How could Japan possibly stop that from happening?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:14:33 – 01:14:49) Well, what’s happening right now is Japan is building an alliance. It’s called the Quad. Okay, and the Quad has— it’s 4 nations. You have Japan, you have the Philippines, you have Australia, and you have India. This is called the Quad.
DANNY JONES: (01:14:49 – 01:14:54) Japan, the Philippines, Australia, and Indonesia, right? Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:14:55 – 01:14:56) And the goal—
DANNY JONES: (01:14:56 – 01:14:59) go scoot down a little bit. Yeah, zoom out a little bit.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:14:59 – 01:15:00) Yeah, right.
DANNY JONES: (01:15:00 – 01:15:02) A little bit more. Right, there you go. Right there.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:15:02 – 01:15:02) Perfect.
DANNY JONES: (01:15:02 – 01:15:02) Got it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:15:02 – 01:15:19) So what’s the Quad doing? The Quad is embargoing China from the open sea lanes. Right? Do you see that? The Philippines? Yes, the Philippines, Japan, India, and Australia together can embargo China from, oceanic trade.
DANNY JONES: (01:15:19 – 01:15:21) Okay, they could if they wanted to.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:15:21 – 01:15:27) They could if they wanted to. Exactly right. Do you see that? Yep. Okay, so that’s, that’s the game plan.
DANNY JONES: (01:15:27 – 01:15:40) So if China tried to take out Taiwan you believe that, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Australia would all gang up with Japan?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:15:40 – 01:15:48) India. India. Yeah, the Philippines, Australia, and Japan are the Quad. These are the 4 nations. India.
DANNY JONES: (01:15:48 – 01:15:53) Okay, so they would all group up and they would push back against this?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:15:54 – 01:16:05) That’s right, that’s right. And already what’s happening is the Philippines are challenging Chinese control over the South China Sea. So there’s been a lot of conflicts between the Filipino Coast Guard and the Chinese Coast Guard.
DANNY JONES: (01:16:07 – 01:16:07) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:16:07 – 01:16:08) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:16:10 – 01:16:32) So you kind of explain this in, this general idea of how— I forget which one of your videos, but you did a great video— one of your presentations explains how, I think it was How Evil Triumphs. Yeah. You explain how this, this arms race of teaming up with other nations.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:16:32 – 01:16:32) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (01:16:33 – 01:16:59) Right. Can you give it like a high-level view of like, I mean, that’s similar to what you’re explaining here, right? To where like 2 nations team up to gain more power and influence, and that incentivizes 3 other nations to do the same thing to get more power over there, off, you know, more power compared to the other 2. And it’s just a never-ending thing where people are constantly in this tug of war for power and control and see who has the most friends.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:17:00 – 01:17:36) Yeah, so China is actually in a lot of danger and trouble. The reason why is everyone in Southeast Asia sees China as the main threat, so they’re more likely to team together against China than China trying to ally with other nations, right? So like, if you look at, if we go to the map, okay, and it’s really important, China has exactly one friend in Southeast Asia and it’s North Korea, right? That’s it, right?
DANNY JONES: (01:17:36 – 01:17:42) And the reason why is every other nation is hard for me to see because I don’t like the— I don’t like the borders. I don’t— I can’t really see the borders very well.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:17:42 – 01:17:44) But, but like, you know, if you zoom—
DANNY JONES: (01:17:44 – 01:17:45) there it is right there.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:17:45 – 01:18:19) If you— yeah, if you zoom into East Asia, China has exactly one ally, and that’s North Korea. South Korea, Japan, Southeast Asia, India, Australia, they all see China as a major threat that they have to team up against, especially now that the United States is choosing to leave the, Asia-Pacific, right? This is part of Trump’s, grand strategy where the United States leaves Asia-Pacific and arms Japan in challenging China.
DANNY JONES: (01:18:20 – 01:18:20) Really?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:18:20 – 01:18:23) Yep. That’s part of the grand strategy.
DANNY JONES: (01:18:25 – 01:18:30) And North Korea, are they— they’re also allies with Russia, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:18:30 – 01:18:31) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (01:18:31 – 01:18:36) Yeah. Yep. Quick pause. I got to use the restroom.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:18:36 – 01:18:37) Okay. Yeah, sure.
The Clean Break Memo and the Neocon Blueprint for the Middle East
DANNY JONES: (01:18:37 – 01:18:49) We’ll be right back. But you were telling me last night, that this basically all ties back. Everything that’s happening on the entire landscape of American foreign policy all ties back to this Chabad Lubavitch stuff.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:18:49 – 01:18:52) That’s right. Yeah, it’s crazy.
DANNY JONES: (01:18:52 – 01:18:57) Yeah, it’s insane. It’s absolutely insane. And I, I almost seems too simple of an explanation.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:18:57 – 01:19:36) That’s right. That’s right. But, what I want to do is maybe just show you some videos. Okay, some YouTube videos. And then, we’re just gonna focus on facts, okay? What is verifiable, what we can Google, what, we can, have, what we can show on YouTube. And so, the first thing I want to talk about is the Clean Break Memo. Okay, 1996. Okay.
DANNY JONES: (01:19:37 – 01:19:43) And the Clean Break Memo, we should have put a camera that looks down on his notepad, Steve.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:19:43 – 01:19:48) Yeah, no, no, I mean, it, I mean, like, it’s just easier for him to keep track of what I’m saying.
DANNY JONES: (01:19:48 – 01:19:49) No, it’s fine.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:19:49 – 01:23:15) It’s very convoluted, right? Right. The story I’m telling you, right? So in 1996, there’s a study group composed of certain individuals, and the 2 most prominent are Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. Okay. And they write a memo for the incoming prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. He just won election. And what they argue is that Netanyahu has to break away from traditional Israeli political thinking. Okay. And there are 2 facets to this political thinking. The first is that Israel needs to be a socialist state. So the main political party at this time are the Labor Zionists. And the Clean Break memo says, no, you have to embrace neoliberalism. You have to embrace economic reform. You have to embrace innovation. The second thing that’s much more important is for the longest time, the Israelis believed that the only way to guarantee the long-term security of Israel is to come to peace with the Arab nations around them. And to do that, you need to resolve the Palestinian issue. You need to give the Palestinians their own state, the two-state solution. And Yitzhak Rabin, who was previously the prime minister before he got assassinated, he worked with Bill Clinton to implement the Oslo peace process. And Arafat was involved as well. But this was just how people understood, like, if there is to be peace in the Middle East, there has to be compromise. The Palestinians, the Arab nations, they have to be respected. Okay. But the Clean Break memo was like, no, that’s not how these things work in the Middle East. These people only respect power. So you have to show them strength. You have to bully them before they can respect you. And once Israel shows that it’s strong, then the Palestinians will cower, they will obey the Israelis, and this will bring peace to the Middle East. And they also argue what ultimately brings peace is balance of power. So we need to alter the landscape of the Middle East so that Israel is a dominant nation and Israel is able to balance out other nations. Okay, so this memo calls for regime change in Iraq, as well as Syria. In fact, what’s really interesting is in 1996, Israel says that what will happen is we will divide Syria up with Turkey. Turkey will split up Syria with Israel. Turkey will attack from the north and we’ll attack from the south. That’s exactly what happened last year, if you remember. ISIS, the proxy for Turkey, comes in from the north and then they overthrow Syria. Right. Okay, so it’s really interesting how this memo written in 1996 is able to foretell all these events because you have regime change in Iraq and also regime change in Syria, the great balance of power. Now, why is it important that this memo was written by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith? Because these 2 individuals will then go on to the Bush administration and they’ll become the chief architects of the Iraq War.
DANNY JONES: (01:23:16 – 01:23:17) Where did Richard Perle and Douglas Feith come from?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:23:19 – 01:23:25) Richard Perle and Douglas Feith all used to work for a senator called Henry “Scoop” Jackson.
DANNY JONES: (01:23:25 – 01:23:27) Henry Scoop Jackson, right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:23:27 – 01:24:10) And all the neocons— Wolfowitz, Feith, and, Perle— all used to work for this guy. Henry Jackson was a senator from Washington State, and he advocated for the Soviet Union to allow Jews to immigrate to Israel. In fact, he said that any precondition, and this is the 1970s, right? At the height of the Cold War, any precondition for peace between the United States and the Soviet Union had to be— the Soviet Union agreed to let Jews immigrate to Israel.
DANNY JONES: (01:24:10 – 01:24:12) Why? This guy is an American.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:24:13 – 01:24:14) He’s a Christian and he’s an American.
DANNY JONES: (01:24:15 – 01:24:17) Why would he do that? Why would he care?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:24:18 – 01:24:31) Yeah, so there are 2 things. The first thing is Henry Jackson made this his main foreign policy achievement. This is what he cared about. Yeah. And he passed something called the Jackson-Vanik Amendment.
DANNY JONES: (01:24:32 – 01:24:33) Jackson Bennett?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:24:33 – 01:24:47) Vanik. V-A-N-I-K. Okay. It’s called the Jackson-Vanik Amendment. Okay. And we’ll look at it together. Okay. Again, like, this is all going to sound crazy. So I’ll make sure we are fully adhering to the facts.
DANNY JONES: (01:24:47 – 01:26:06) Okay. The Jackson-Vanik Amendment to the Trade Act of 1974 is the 1974 provision in the United States federal law intended to affect US trade relations with countries with non-market economies, originally countries of the Soviet bloc, that restricted freedom of immigration and other human rights. The amendment is contained in the Trade Act of 1974, which passed both houses of the United States Congress unanimously and was signed by President Gerald Ford into law. Over time, a number of countries were granted conditional normal trade relations subject to annual review, and a number of countries were liberated from the amendment. 2012, Obama signed the Magnitsky Act, formerly titled the Russia-Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012. Jesus Christ. That repealed the application of the Jackson-Vanik Amendment to Russia and gave normal U.S. trade relations to Russia and Moldova, instead punishing individuals violating human rights. Okay, I don’t know what I just read.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:26:06 – 01:26:09) No, no. Okay, so Soviet immigration policy. Okay, okay, that’s what’s important.
DANNY JONES: (01:26:10 – 01:26:10) Which part?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:26:10 – 01:26:11) The Soviet immigration policy.
DANNY JONES: (01:26:12 – 01:26:13) Okay, got it. Oh yeah, yeah, got it, got it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:26:13 – 01:26:31) Okay, so immigration from the Soviet Union was restricted. Okay, so what the Jackson-Vanik Amendment called for is for the Soviet Union to relax its immigration policy, specifically with regard to Jews who want to immigrate to Israel.
DANNY JONES: (01:26:32 – 01:26:33) Okay, right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:26:34 – 01:26:35) That’s what it did.
DANNY JONES: (01:26:35 – 01:26:36) Okay, got it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:26:36 – 01:26:39) So the question for us is, why would—
DANNY JONES: (01:26:39 – 01:27:07) oh yeah, it says it right there. After the Soviet Union allowed a number of Soviet Jews to immigrate in the years after the 1967 June War in the Middle East, expectations of freer immigration to buttress Jewish settlers to Israel were raised, but they were soon shattered as the 1972 Soviet immigration head tax made immigration very difficult.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:27:07 – 01:27:19) Okay, so this is really important. This guy who is a Christian and who is a senator from Washington State, he’s an American. He wanted the Soviet Union to allow Jews to immigrate to Israel so that Israel could expand its population.
DANNY JONES: (01:27:20 – 01:27:20) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:27:20 – 01:27:21) Why would he care?
DANNY JONES: (01:27:21 – 01:27:21) Right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:27:22 – 01:27:23) Yeah, that’s interesting.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:28:43 – 01:28:52) There are 2 things about Henry Jackson. The first is he’s— he was friends with a man named Rebbe Schneerson.
DANNY JONES: (01:28:52 – 01:28:55) Pull up the Scoop Jackson guy on here. Yeah, let’s just get a basic Wikipedia on him.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:28:55 – 01:28:56) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:28:56 – 01:28:59) Okay, he was friends with Rabbi Schneerson.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:28:59 – 01:29:01) Rebbe. Rebbe. There’s rabbi.
DANNY JONES: (01:29:01 – 01:29:02) Oh, he wasn’t a rabbi?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:29:02 – 01:29:05) No. So Rebbe is the rabbi of rabbis.
DANNY JONES: (01:29:05 – 01:29:06) Oh really?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:29:06 – 01:29:06) Yes.
DANNY JONES: (01:29:06 – 01:29:08) He’s like the, the, the final, the final boss.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:29:08 – 01:29:13) Yeah, the Godfather. Okay, the Pope. Okay. And all rabbis are under him.
DANNY JONES: (01:29:13 – 01:29:19) Okay, so how many of these types of rabbis are there, by the way? Do they get new ones? Like, like the Pope, there’s a new Pope. Is there a new rabbi?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:29:19 – 01:29:27) So, the Jewish faith is different from the Catholic faith. The Catholic faith is very centralized, right? There’s one guy, the Pope, at the top.
DANNY JONES: (01:29:27 – 01:29:27) Yeah, yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:29:28 – 01:29:40) But, the Jewish faith, it’s very decentralized. And so there are different dynasties, and these are family dynasties. And so Rebbe Schneerson was head of something called the Chabad Lubavitch movement, okay? And this is Henry Jackson.
DANNY JONES: (01:29:41 – 01:29:46) And look, pull up his wiki, bro. Okay, sorry, continue.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:29:46 – 01:30:31) Yeah. And so about Lubavitch, it’s a family dynasty. And it was founded in, you know, the mid-19th century in Russia. And for about, you know, most of its history, it was persecuted by the Russians, first by the Russian Tsar, but then later by the Soviet Union. And then the turning point was they were imported to the United States. They moved from the Soviet Union to the United States, at the outbreak of World War II to escape Nazi and Soviet persecution. And that was a turning point because they landed in Brooklyn and then they started to invest in Brooklyn real estate. And today they basically control most of Brooklyn real estate.
DANNY JONES: (01:30:31 – 01:30:33) Can you pull up a photo of this Schneerson fella?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:30:33 – 01:30:37) Yeah, right there. There it is. He’s called the Rebbe.
DANNY JONES: (01:30:37 – 01:30:40) Okay, give some images. Hit images. The Rebbe.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:30:41 – 01:30:45) Yes. Okay, and the Rebbe just means the Rabbi of Rabbis.
DANNY JONES: (01:30:45 – 01:30:49) Whoa, what is that thing he’s wearing on his head on the very left?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:30:49 – 01:30:52) The Cube of Saturn. Whoa.
DANNY JONES: (01:30:53 – 01:30:58) Yeah, the Cube of Saturn. Yeah, it’s like a miniature hat.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:31:02 – 01:31:03) This, this is who he is.
DANNY JONES: (01:31:04 – 01:31:06) What the hell is the Cube of Saturn, bro? Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:31:07 – 01:31:25) Okay, so, the Cube of Saturn will be found throughout most of corporate America. So Blackstone, yeah, BlackRock, it’s all Cube of Saturn. Okay, and the—
DANNY JONES: (01:31:27 – 01:31:38) what’s going on, Steve? You spazzing out over there? Well, it’s not relevant. I didn’t want to distract you. No, I mean, it’s cool looking stuff. It’s like f*ing. Um, looked like some death metal album covers. So, so BlackRock is the Cube of Saturn?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:31:39 – 01:31:40) BlackRock, Blackstone.
DANNY JONES: (01:31:40 – 01:31:46) And is this, is this official? Like, is it— like, are you just speculating this?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:31:46 – 01:31:46) I’m speculating.
DANNY JONES: (01:31:47 – 01:31:47) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:31:47 – 01:31:49) But, but you ask yourself, why is it called Black Rock, Black Stone?
DANNY JONES: (01:31:49 – 01:31:50) Yeah, yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:31:50 – 01:31:52) You look at it, it’s very similar to what Reverend Schneerson is wearing.
DANNY JONES: (01:31:53 – 01:31:53) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:31:53 – 01:31:54) Right?
DANNY JONES: (01:31:54 – 01:31:54) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:31:54 – 01:32:18) Um, so, what people believe is that, Saturn is, the main god that the Jews used to worship. And so, the idea of Saturday, right? Saturday, it’s Saturn.
DANNY JONES: (01:32:20 – 01:32:30) Isn’t Saturn also synonymous with the devil? Like, isn’t Saturn connected with the devil in like certain, ancient Christian writings?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:32:31 – 01:32:51) Right. So if you look at Greek mythology, the Greek Saturn was, Cronus, the father of the Titans. And what Cronus did was to ensure forever power, to ensure that he would be God forever, he ate his children. So whenever his wife gave birth—
DANNY JONES: (01:32:51 – 01:32:52) oh yes, yes, yes, someone—
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:32:52 – 01:32:57) he would eat that person, right? And then the children under Zeus rebelled against him and killed him.
DANNY JONES: (01:32:58 – 01:32:59) This is that painting, that famous painting, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:33:00 – 01:33:26) That’s right, that’s right, exactly right. So Saturn, if you think about it, represents total control and domination. And, so I honestly, I don’t know why, but the Jews seem to worship him. Okay, so Saturday is named after Saturn, and Saturday is when the Jews rest, right? The Sabbath.
DANNY JONES: (01:33:28 – 01:33:28) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:33:29 – 01:33:33) And, and there— and there was somebody who was showing me these Jewish elevators.
DANNY JONES: (01:33:34 – 01:33:42) I saw it on Twitter. I think there’s, there’s actual elevators in certain office buildings for the Sabbath where they don’t have— they stop at every floor so they don’t have to touch any buttons.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:33:42 – 01:33:43) That’s right. That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (01:33:43 – 01:33:44) That’s hilarious.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:33:44 – 01:34:00) That’s right. And there’s a man named Sabbatai Zevi who is very important to the story. But Sabbatai Zevi is named after Saturn, and he’s considered by many Jews to be the Messiah.
DANNY JONES: (01:34:00 – 01:34:04) Okay, so Schneerson is wearing this black cube of Saturn on his head.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:34:04 – 01:34:11) Yeah. Okay, so that’s, that’s like his Pope hat, or he uses it to meditate and to pray. Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:34:12 – 01:34:15) Okay, got it. I don’t want to derail you too much on the Saturn stuff, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:34:15 – 01:34:32) Okay. Yeah, so I’m not familiar with Saturnalia. They call it Saturnalia, right? Um, okay. But so, Rabbi Schneerson is good friends with Henry Jackson. All right. So let me tell you some background about Rabbi Schneerson.
DANNY JONES: (01:34:33 – 01:34:33) Okay.
The Rebbe, Louis Brandeis, and the Founding of Chabad in America
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:34:33 – 01:36:02) Rebbe Schneerson was born in Nikolaev, Ukraine, into the Chabad Lubavitch movement. Okay, so he married his cousin and his father-in-law, Rebbe Schneerson, the same family name, they were cousins, because only a Schneerson can inherit the title of Rebbe. Okay, so it’s a family dynasty. This is a persecuted movement. And as a result, they become messianic, right? Because if you become persecuted, your followers are under intense pressure to convert or to give up their religion. And the only way to convince them to stay is if you convince them that you’re suffering for a reason. You’re suffering because God is testing you and you will usher in the end times and bring about the Messiah and the salvation of the world. And so it’s a very small movement, but they come to believe this and they become very messianic. Okay, their turning point is World War II, and Rebbe Schneerson and his family, they’re brought to America by a man named Louis Brandeis. Okay, I’ll spell it for you, Brandeis. Okay, why is he important? Because at this time in history, and this is like, you know, the late 1930s, can you Google this guy’s name? Brandeis. There you go. He is the most powerful Jew in America.
DANNY JONES: (01:36:02 – 01:36:03) Why?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:36:03 – 01:36:13) Because he’s the Supreme Court Justice. And also at this time in history, and it’s very important for us, he is the most ardent Zionist in the United States.
DANNY JONES: (01:36:13 – 01:36:13) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:36:14 – 01:36:14) Yes.
DANNY JONES: (01:36:15 – 01:36:16) Died in ’41.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:36:16 – 01:36:38) Yes. He is the most ardent Zionist in the United States. And so people don’t appreciate this, but there’s a huge debate among Zionists at this point. Okay. So there are many Zionists who are afraid of the Jews going to Israel.
DANNY JONES: (01:36:39 – 01:36:39) Why?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:36:39 – 01:37:20) Because this raises a problem of dual loyalty, right? Because Jews at this time in history are heavily integrated into Western society, in Germany, in the United States. And if a lot of them were to return to Israel, this might cause a spread of antisemitism, right? Because a lot of people would say, well, you know, if Jews have a homeland called Israel, why not just go to Israel? Get out of our country, right? Are you Jewish or are you American? Right? So a lot of Zionists were like, you know, let’s not do this, guys. Let’s not advocate for the creation of a state of Israel because this would create problems for most Jews around the world.
DANNY JONES: (01:37:21 – 01:37:21) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:37:21 – 01:37:22) Okay. And Louis—
DANNY JONES: (01:37:23 – 01:37:31) so, so this is assuming that Jews and Israelis are already like in the same bucket or—
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:37:31 – 01:37:37) well, Israel is not created at this point. Israel is created in 1948, right? This is like the ’30s and the ’20s, right?
DANNY JONES: (01:37:37 – 01:37:37) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:37:37 – 01:38:25) Louis Brandeis throughout this time was saying, no, we need to create the state of Israel. Okay. And there’s this guy who brought the Schneerson family into America. And let me tell the story of how he did so. Okay. All right. So he needed— World War II had just broken out and Warsaw was being invaded by both the Soviet Union and by Germany. Okay. And Rebbe Schneerson, like basically this Rebbe Schneerson’s father-in-law, was in Warsaw at this time. So what Louis Brandeis did was he called a friend in Germany, and this guy was the head of German military intelligence. Okay, okay. This guy was the head of German military intelligence in Nazi Germany.
DANNY JONES: (01:38:25 – 01:38:25) Got it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:38:26 – 01:39:11) Okay. And then what he did was he assembled an elite force of half-Jewish Nazis. There were Nazis who were half-Jewish, but because of their valor in World War I, Hitler granted them full German Aryan status. Okay, so these were half Jews, and they were tasked with going to Warsaw and finding this family and bringing them to the United States. So they went to Warsaw, and then they took this family, and like, look, look, they’re clearly Jews. Okay, so you’ve got these Nazis protecting these Jews. And then they shipped them to Brooklyn, and, and this is where they built their Chabad Lubavitch movement.
DANNY JONES: (01:39:12 – 01:39:26) The Nazis rendered the— this Lubavitch group, this little secret society, as a favor to Louis Brandeis, and saved them and brought them to the United States so that they wouldn’t be killed in the war.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:39:26 – 01:39:26) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (01:39:29 – 01:39:30) Okay, that’s insane.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:39:31 – 01:40:34) Okay, so, so that’s a background into, the Rebbe. Okay, okay. And what will happen over time is, the Chabad movement, they will have 3 basic principles. Okay, the first principle is we will pool our resources because they’re poor, right? But what this means is everyone in the movement will just surrender the money to the leadership, and the leadership will invest in Brooklyn real estate. And this is again the 1940s. And now today they control most of Brooklyn real estate. So they’re pooling the resources. Okay. The other thing they will do is they will spread across the United States. They’re now leaving Brooklyn, building communities in Wyoming, in other places. And when they do so, they become very insulated. So they refuse to acknowledge their neighbors. In fact, they teach their children not to play with other kids. You’re only allowed to play amongst your community. It’s basically a cult, okay?
DANNY JONES: (01:40:35 – 01:40:35) Yeah, yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:40:36 – 01:41:41) And the third thing that they do, which is the most important, is they have lots and lots of children. The men are encouraged to study the Torah, the biblical law, and the women are encouraged to work and have lots of children. And so you can imagine, this is the 1940s, you can imagine how fast they grow throughout the United States. Okay. And so this is Rebbe Schneerson. And let’s go into his psychology because throughout most of his adult life, he’s been persecuted by the authorities. His brother dies in the war. Nazis killed his brother. He experiences the Holocaust. He comes to America and he becomes an ardent Zionist because of his association with Louis Brandeis. And Chabad Lubavitch is growing really rapidly. So I think that if you’re the Rebbe, what you believe is, you’re on a mission from God.
DANNY JONES: (01:41:43 – 01:41:44) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:41:44 – 01:42:07) Because how else can you explain why you’re being persecuted and why you found sudden success in the United States? It’s the will of God. The persecution is to test you, to make you a true believer. And this success is so that you can have the power and authority to implement God’s vision for the world, God’s plan for the world. All right. Does that make sense?
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DANNY JONES: (01:42:07 – 01:42:24) Of course. I mean, you can see the parallels with all kinds of other cults. I mean, that’s right. Heaven’s Gate, Scientology. It’s very— yeah. My question though, is it— does he actually believe this, or is he actually just using this as a stunt to get more power and more control over his group?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:42:24 – 01:42:52) I think he believes this. Okay, so what I want to show you now is how he goes and implements this vision. Okay, so we went into the Jackson-Vanik Amendment, which allowed Jews to immigrate to Israel, right? Why is this important? Because these Jews, these Russian Jews, now make up 15% of the Israeli population.
DANNY JONES: (01:42:53 – 01:42:53) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:42:54 – 01:43:00) And, who do they thank for being allowed to go to Israel?
DANNY JONES: (01:43:01 – 01:43:01) This guy.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:43:02 – 01:43:13) Right? Because it’s he, this guy, who promotes the Jackson-Vanik Amendment. So they’re very thankful to him, and they believe he’s actually the Messiah.
DANNY JONES: (01:43:14 – 01:43:16) They believe he’s Christ, or not Christ?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:43:16 – 01:43:18) No, no, no, they think these are Jews, right?
DANNY JONES: (01:43:18 – 01:43:20) They’re not, they’re not fans of Christ, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:43:20 – 01:44:03) Right. So, so, so this is the Messiah, the Messiah, Ben David. Okay, so now what I want to show you is how he goes and builds a network in order to implement his eschatology, his messianic vision. Okay. The first video I’m gonna show you is of him meeting Netanyahu. Okay. So Netanyahu in the 1980s, he is Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations. So he’s in New York. Rabbi Schneerson is also in New York. And so they become friends and Rabbi Schneerson encourages his political career. Okay. So Steve, can you drop the video where the first, the first YouTube video I sent you where Netanyahu is talking to—
DANNY JONES: (01:44:03 – 01:44:07) Yeah, it should be this one.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:44:10 – 01:44:10) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:44:10 – 01:44:13) No, there’s another one. The first one.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:44:13 – 01:44:26) So I’ll show you 2. Okay, so this is him, and this is the year 1990 when Netanyahu first wins a seat in the Knesset, which is basically Israel’s parliament. Okay, so I want to show you this video.
DANNY JONES: (01:44:26 – 01:44:28) Is there audio that we should hear?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:44:28 – 01:44:28) Yeah, there’s audio.
DANNY JONES: (01:44:28 – 01:44:29) Yeah, the headphones.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:44:29 – 01:44:34) Okay. I don’t need the audio because they’re speaking Hebrew.
DANNY JONES: (01:44:34 – 01:44:35) Oh, okay. We don’t need the audio.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:44:35 – 01:44:48) Yeah, got it. Okay, but we’ll look at the subtitles together. Okay. Okay, so they’re good friends. Okay, I haven’t seen you in a long time. Blessing, success. Okay, and this is New York City.
DANNY JONES: (01:44:49 – 01:44:57) A double portion of benediction. I came to ask your blessing and help in everything, in all areas, both personal and political. This is BB talking.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:44:57 – 01:44:57) Yes.
DANNY JONES: (01:44:57 – 01:45:31) Rabbi says, since we last met, many things have progressed. Many things have progressed. What hasn’t changed, however, is that Moshiach still hasn’t— the Messiah still hasn’t come. So do something and hasten the coming. We’re doing, we’re doing, says BB. Apparently, it’s not enough, says the rabbi, since many hours have already passed today and he’s still not here. But there are still a few hours left in the day, so try still for today. Yes, good tidings with joy and happiness.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:45:32 – 01:45:53) Okay, so the year is 1990. Okay, okay. And Netanyahu is like, I need your help, right? I need your blessing to do well in Israeli politics. And the Rebbe is like, the Messiah hasn’t come. Hurry it up, man. Okay. All right. So, so, so clearly this guy has a plan and clearly he expects Netanyahu to help him implement this plan.
DANNY JONES: (01:45:53 – 01:45:53) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:45:54 – 01:46:07) So, so now the next video I want to show you is Miriam and Sheldon Adelson going to the Rebbe to ask for his blessing. Okay. So can we drop that video? Sheldon and Miriam Adelson asking the Rebbe for—
DANNY JONES: (01:46:07 – 01:46:08) And what year did this happen?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:46:08 – 01:46:09) A year later.
DANNY JONES: (01:46:09 – 01:46:11) Is this also subtitled?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:46:11 – 01:46:13) Yes. Okay. All right. So this year, 1991.
DANNY JONES: (01:46:13 – 01:46:15) What are they doing? Counting money?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:46:15 – 01:46:24) No, no, it’s blessing. Like I give you a dollar bill as a blessing. I give you two dollar bills as a double blessing. Oh, sorry, sorry. We probably need audio for this.
DANNY JONES: (01:46:24 – 01:46:25) We need audio.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:46:25 – 01:46:28) Okay. Because now I’m going to speak in English. Okay.
DANNY JONES: (01:46:28 – 01:46:31) All right. Hit it, Steve-O.
[The clip that follows contains speech in Dutch and Hebrew that could not be reliably transcribed.]
DANNY JONES: (01:47:33 – 01:47:34) I just want to show you why is he handing her dollar bills? Oh, it’s just the blessing. Like the dollar represents a blessing. I give you two dollar bills. It’s a double blessing.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:47:34 – 01:47:34) That’s so weird.
DANNY JONES: (01:47:34 – 01:48:26) Yeah. But I want to show you this because the year is 1991. So this is a year after Netanyahu comes and asks for the Rebbe’s blessing. And now on the eve of the wedding, Miriam and Sheldon Adelson ask the Rebbe for his blessing. Why is this important? Because who finances Netanyahu’s political career in Israel? It’s Sheldon Adelson. Okay. Sheldon Adelson is going to spend millions of dollars to buy up Israeli media in order to support Netanyahu. And what is— and so Netanyahu and Sheldon Adelson both asked for Rabbi Schneerson’s blessing. It’s on YouTube, guys. You can just look at it yourself. Is this all coincidence? Now, also remember, Sheldon Adelson is the one who financed Trump’s political career. 2016, 2020, Sheldon Adelson is the biggest financial backer.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:48:26 – 01:48:31) Sheldon owned the Brooklyn Nets, right? Or what was the NBA team that he owned? I think it was the Nets.
DANNY JONES: (01:48:31 – 01:48:36) Well, I’m not sure what team he owns, but he basically controls Las Vegas, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:48:36 – 01:48:37) But he also owned an NBA team.
DANNY JONES: (01:48:37 – 01:48:38) I want to—
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:48:38 – 01:48:53) I think, I think I was remembering that correctly. Just type in Sheldon Adelson NBA, NBA team. This is probably not relevant, but this is just for— oh, the Mavericks. He owned the Dallas Mavericks.
DANNY JONES: (01:48:53 – 01:48:53) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:48:54 – 01:49:03) So is there any kind of with Sheldon? And Sheldon was not Israeli, right?
DANNY JONES: (01:49:03 – 01:49:04) His wife is Israeli.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:49:04 – 01:49:06) His wife was. He’s not, right? He was not.
DANNY JONES: (01:49:06 – 01:49:07) Yeah, it’s kind of strange, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:49:10 – 01:49:12) So it is very strange. Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:49:12 – 01:49:12) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:49:14 – 01:49:16) So this is mainly a push by his wife.
DANNY JONES: (01:49:16 – 01:49:22) Murdoch recently married. Recently remarried. To an Israeli woman.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:49:23 – 01:49:24) Did he really?
DANNY JONES: (01:49:24 – 01:49:28) I think so, yeah. Can we fact-check that, Steve? Rupert Murdoch new wife.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:49:28 – 01:49:30) Yeah, type in Rupert Murdoch new wife.
DANNY JONES: (01:49:31 – 01:49:32) Yeah. I think she’s Israeli.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:49:35 – 01:49:49) Rupert Murdoch’s current wife is Elena Zhukova, a retired molecular biologist. They married in June 2024 at his Moraga Vineyard estate in Bel Air, California. This marks Murdoch’s fifth marriage.
DANNY JONES: (01:49:51 – 01:49:54) Uh, she’s Jewish. I know that.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:49:54 – 01:49:55) Type in her.
DANNY JONES: (01:49:56 – 01:49:57) Yeah, she’s Jewish for sure.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:49:57 – 01:49:57) Type in her.
DANNY JONES: (01:49:57 – 01:49:58) Yeah, she’s from Israel.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:50:02 – 01:50:19) No, let’s go. Go down, go down, go down. It says, is she Russian? There’s a thing right there. Is Elena Zhukova Russian? Click that. Yeah, she’s Russian. Born in Moscow, Soviet Union, now Russia, and retired molecular biologist of Russian Jewish heritage. Moved to the United States in 1991. So she’s a Russian Jew.
DANNY JONES: (01:50:19 – 01:50:50) Yeah, okay, right. Lubavitch is also very big in Russia, by the way. Anyway, yeah, anyway, so, wow. So Sheldon Adelson finances the political career of both, Donald Trump and Netanyahu. And these are the 2 people responsible for the war in Iran. Okay, now I want to show you another point of convergence. Okay, and it’s like Mark Zuckerberg. Have you ever asked yourself how Mark Zuckerberg made his money?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:50:52 – 01:50:53) Uh, yeah, I watched the Facebook movie.
DANNY JONES: (01:50:54 – 01:51:00) Okay, right. Okay, so, I want to show you—
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:51:00 – 01:51:02) get insanely lucky, right?
DANNY JONES: (01:51:02 – 01:51:39) That’s what we all believe, right? He’s insanely lucky. He met these 2 dudes who were kind of stupid, right? Right. They had a great idea, so he just stole the idea from them. That’s right. Okay. That’s, that’s what the movie says. All right. So I went to Yale in 1995. The moment you step on campus, they give you something called a Facebook. And the Facebook, it’s just like this big, picture book of all the freshmen at Yale. And we obsessed over it for a whole year because that Facebook had every picture of every freshman with their personal details, with his or her personal details. You, you can—
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:51:39 – 01:51:41) that’s how you find all the hot girls, right?
DANNY JONES: (01:51:41 – 01:51:41) Exactly.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:51:41 – 01:51:42) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:51:42 – 01:52:30) Right. So we spent a whole year obsessing over this. In fact, even the seniors obsess over this because they wanted to know who the hot girls were so they could like go pick on them, right? Go, go, go, go date them. Right. So imagine how profitable it would be if you could digitize this, because if you were able to digitize this Facebook, you could now interact with people seamlessly. Right now, everyone wanted to do this, but the university would not allow this to happen because of privacy laws. Right? Because once you digitize it, then it was— then these people could be harassed all the time. Okay, that’s number one. But number two is, if it was digitized, then every person in the United States would want access to this data as well, because hot girls at Harvard and Yale, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:52:30 – 01:52:30) Right.
DANNY JONES: (01:52:31 – 01:53:36) Okay, so the university, of course, would be very protective of students’ privacy. That would be the thing that we’d be most protective of. So the question is, why would Harvard University not only allow Mark Zuckerberg to privatize student data, but also to allow people from other universities to access this data? Because basically he’s leveraging the Harvard brand. Right? And also, like, the people who invested in Facebook did something really weird. The people who invested in Facebook, Peter Thiel and others, right, basically gave Mark Zuckerberg total control over the company. He was given Class B shares, which had 10 times the voting power of Class A shares. So the public, others, were allowed to buy Class A shares, but Mark Zuckerberg and his friends were allowed to have control over Class B shares. So even today Mark Zuckerberg has complete control over Facebook and he can do whatever he wants, including start a stupid enterprise called the metaverse.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:53:37 – 01:53:50) Is he, out of all of the big tech platforms that are out there like Facebook, is he the only CEO that, or founder, that has complete and total control over their company?
DANNY JONES: (01:53:50 – 01:53:51) There’s only 2 more.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:53:51 – 01:53:52) Okay.
DANNY JONES: (01:53:52 – 01:53:54) Sergey Brin and Larry Page at Google.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:53:54 – 01:53:55) Sergey Brin and Larry Page.
DANNY JONES: (01:53:55 – 01:54:01) Yes. Only they also have complete control over the companies. But Mark Zuckerberg is the only person who has complete control over—
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:54:01 – 01:54:03) Sergey Brin is not even in Google anymore, right?
DANNY JONES: (01:54:04 – 01:54:10) I’m not sure about that, but I do know that they have complete control over Google, but Mark Zuckerberg has complete control over Facebook. Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:54:11 – 01:54:11) All right.
DANNY JONES: (01:54:12 – 01:54:17) So the story is, of course, that he just stole this idea from the Winklevoss twins.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:54:17 – 01:54:17) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:54:17 – 01:54:42) Yeah. Okay. Okay. But if you look at what he did at Harvard as a freshman, he participated in a society called the Harvard Chabad Society. It was an off-branch, a campus off-branch of Chabad Lubavitch. Okay. The seniors at that time who were part of Harvard Chabad, who were very active, were Jared Kushner and Natalie Portman.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:54:42 – 01:54:43) Look up the Harvard Chabad.
DANNY JONES: (01:54:44 – 01:54:44) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:54:44 – 01:54:46) What’s it called? The Harvard Chabad Group? Community?
DANNY JONES: (01:54:46 – 01:54:50) You can just Google Harvard Chabad. Okay. C-H-A-B-A-D. Okay. No, no, no, no.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:54:50 – 01:54:51) Harvard Chabad.
DANNY JONES: (01:54:51 – 01:54:55) That’s a Yale. That’s a Yale. We’re looking at Harvard Chabad.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:54:55 – 01:54:57) Harvard C-H-A-B-A-D. Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (01:54:59 – 01:55:04) And you can just Google pop by members. No. Yeah, that’s their website.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:55:04 – 01:55:09) The soul of Jewish life on campus. The Harvard Chabad. And again, alumni. Click on alumni.
DANNY JONES: (01:55:10 – 01:55:20) Yeah. And this is basically their. Okay, let’s just go back.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:55:20 – 01:55:23) Maybe we can find something. Find the wiki. Find the Wikipedia.
DANNY JONES: (01:55:25 – 01:55:28) You can just Google Harvard Chabad alumni, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:55:28 – 01:55:44) Members, like notable members of Harvard Chabad. Yeah, that’s good. Okay, Rabbi Hirschy Zarchi. I don’t know any of these people.
DANNY JONES: (01:55:44 – 01:55:45) Yeah, Jared Kushner.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:55:45 – 01:55:52) Okay, Jared Kushner, Ben Landau, Joe Katzman, Alan Dershowitz.
DANNY JONES: (01:55:52 – 01:55:58) Okay, so Alan Dershowitz was the faculty advisor and the patron was Larry Summers.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:55:58 – 01:56:08) Okay, and then type in Mark Zuckerberg. Is Mark— what’s Mark Zuckerberg’s— no, no, we’re down there. Ask anything. See what it says? Ask anything. Type in Mark Zuckerberg. No, no, you don’t have to type that. Just type in Mark Zuckerberg.
DANNY JONES: (01:56:09 – 01:56:10) Zuckerberg.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:56:10 – 01:56:23) Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg did attend some events during his undergraduate days, but he’s not considered a primary leader. Okay, so he was— he attended some events.
DANNY JONES: (01:56:23 – 01:56:44) Okay, so, okay, so there’s another connection that Mark Zuckerberg has to Chabad, which is more important. In an interview, Mark Zuckerberg said this. He said that his parents had 3 daughters before they had him, and they really wanted a son. So they went to Rabbi Schneerson, our good friend Rabbi Schneerson, and says—
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:56:45 – 01:56:45) Zuckerberg’s parents?
DANNY JONES: (01:56:46 – 01:58:20) Yes. Could you please bless us with a son? And, Rabbi Schneerson says, yes, I will bless you with a son. And then they had Mark Zuckerberg. Okay, now this sounds like a pretty innocuous story to us. But if you know the Bible, and these people do know their Bible very well, there’s tremendous significance to this story because some major prophets, some major biblical figures were born of parents who begged for a child from God. Okay, so the most famous is Abraham and Sarah couldn’t conceive, so they begged God for a child and they had Isaac. And then God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. And Abraham did before God stopped him. Okay, that’s Isaac. You have Samuel. Samuel’s parents couldn’t conceive. They went to the chief priest of Jerusalem and begged for a child and said that if we have a child, then we will have this child become servant of God. And then they had this child named Samuel. And Samuel’s a prophet who anoints David to be the leader of Israel. And then you have John the Baptist as well. So I would interpret Mark Zuckerberg telling everyone that, you know, like my parents asked for a blessing from Rabbi Schneerson as saying that Mark Zuckerberg was conceived to be a servant of God. He was born to be a servant of God.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:58:20 – 01:58:21) Do you know what interview he said that in?
DANNY JONES: (01:58:22 – 01:58:26) Well, well, I sent Steve the link. Okay. Can you drop the link?
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:58:26 – 01:58:30) There’s an actual link to the interview on YouTube where he talks.
DANNY JONES: (01:58:30 – 01:58:35) So in the email, I shared a link to the interview. Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:58:35 – 01:58:39) Surprising connection between Zuckerberg and the Lubavitcher Rebbe.
DANNY JONES: (01:58:40 – 01:58:40) Rabbi Schneerson.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:58:41 – 01:58:41) Right.
DANNY JONES: (01:58:41 – 01:58:41) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:58:42 – 01:58:55) Let’s play it. Can you play it? Hit not now. Scroll down. Oh my God, ads! Scroll down. Is there a video or is this all okay?
DANNY JONES: (01:58:55 – 01:58:56) It’s just an article.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:58:56 – 01:58:57) It’s just an article.
DANNY JONES: (01:58:57 – 01:58:57) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (01:58:57 – 02:01:13) In a recent interview with, what is this website? In a recent interview with a Jewish magazine in the U.S., Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg shared a special connection he has to the Lubavitcher Rebbe, a bond that began before he was even born. Quote, before I was born, my parents had 3 daughters and my father wanted a son. They visited several doctors but weren’t successful. They were nearly at a total loss until a close family friend who was affiliated with the Chabad movement advised my father to seek the Rebbe’s blessing. In 1982, Zuckerberg’s father found himself in New York, the seat of the Rebbe. He waited in a long line, and when his turn came, he requested the Rebbe’s blessing of a son. To his surprise, before granting the blessing, the Rebbe warmly asked whether he was observant of the Torah or the mitzvot. Keep going down. When the father admitted he wasn’t observant, the Rebbe explained to him the philosophy of the Shabbat and asked him to commit to giving the future son a Jewish education. Quote, my father promised he would, and I was born less than 18 months after the Rebbe’s blessing, Zuckerberg said with a smile. But the story doesn’t end there. Quote, when my bar mitzvah came, my father gave me that dollar bill he received from the Rebbe and passed along the message that came with it. I held onto that dollar without giving it much thought. During my college years, the idea for Facebook began to form. And suddenly I recalled what my father told me. I felt there was a connection between the rabbi’s message and my social media network. When it came time to officially establish Facebook as an active company, I felt it was time to use the dollar and deposit it in the bank on the day the company was founded. Though I’m not religious, I can vouch for this man’s extraordinary intuition, referring to Rabbi Schneerson. And I regret not having met him. Interesting. This is a weird website though. I can’t believe there’s no other. See if you find any other like mentions of this. This could be a bullshit website.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:01:13 – 02:01:19) Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I asked ChatGPT and ChatGPT does confirm. Oh really? Yes.
DANNY JONES: (02:01:19 – 02:01:19) Oh wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:01:20 – 02:01:25) Confirm the story. But I actually didn’t believe ChatGPT, so I looked for a source and this is like a Jewish website.
DANNY JONES: (02:01:25 – 02:01:25) Website.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:01:25 – 02:01:33) Oh, okay. So it’s like an in-group messaging. Yeah, right. So he’s saying like Facebook was founded with the blessing of Rabbi Schneerson.
DANNY JONES: (02:01:33 – 02:01:47) Wow. Now, Sam, I was telling you last night too, Sam Tripoli told me this crazy thing about, DARPA being— remember when Sam Tripoli was telling us about the connection with DARPA and Facebook? And it’s a— it was a— it was a program inside DARPA that basically got turned into Facebook.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:01:47 – 02:01:55) That’s right, that’s right, right. Because you wanted access to people’s personal data. But like, if DARPA came out and said, you know, give it to us, everyone’d be like, screw you, you’re the government, you’re the Pentagon.
DANNY JONES: (02:01:56 – 02:01:56) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:01:56 – 02:01:59) But if you had this nerd, Mark Zuckerberg, right?
DANNY JONES: (02:01:59 – 02:02:05) You know, like, so, so, you know, that’s so interesting too because DARPA was fundamental in creating and incubating Google.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:02:05 – 02:02:06) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (02:02:06 – 02:02:07) The Google search engine.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:02:07 – 02:02:47) That’s right. So it all ties back. Also Oracle as well. So a lot of these tech companies come from the Pentagon. But you know, like there’s this very famous exchange where Mark Zuckerberg is talking to someone and says, you know, like, hey, I have access to all of Harvard students’ personal data. And the person replies and says, how— how are you able to get this data? And then Mark Zuckerberg was like, well, they trust me, those dumb fucks. This is like a real email exchange between Mark Zuckerberg and a friend. Wow. Yeah. And he’s right. It’s like, yeah, people will— are willing to trust a nerd with their personal data, knowing, thinking that the nerd won’t abuse it. They wouldn’t give it to the government, right? So the government needs a front.
DANNY JONES: (02:02:48 – 02:02:54) So, and this is also early days before people were really aware of like what data even meant.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:02:54 – 02:02:54) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (02:02:54 – 02:02:56) And what the value of it was and any of that stuff.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:02:56 – 02:03:37) That’s right. So, the idea that Mark Zuckerberg just got lucky doesn’t hold water. You know, he has this very close connection to the Chabad Lubavitch movement, and Chabad Lubavitch was very prominent on the Harvard campus. The patron of Harvard Chabad was Larry Summers, the faculty advisor was Alan Dershowitz, and 2 prominent members at that time were Jared Kushner and Natalie Portman. Okay, well, this is important. In the year 2016, there’s a Cambridge Analytica scandal. Do you remember this? When Cambridge Analytica was able to access 50 million Facebook users and then allow the Trump campaign to create micro-targeting to sway their political opinion?
DANNY JONES: (02:03:37 – 02:03:38) I know Steve Bannon was a part of this.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:03:38 – 02:03:39) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (02:03:39 – 02:03:39) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:03:39 – 02:05:00) And, so at that time the 2 heads of Facebook were Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg. Sheryl Sandberg is a protégé of Larry Summers, and today she’s an ardent Zionist. Running the Trump campaign is Steve Bannon but also Jared Kushner. So it could all be coincidence, okay? It could all be coincidence, but there are dots connected, right? The first thought— sorry, the first thought is Rabbi Schneerson has a family connection to Mark Zuckerberg. And Mark Zuckerberg was born with Rabbi Schneerson’s blessing, which meant that now he must serve God. Okay, that’s what the Jewish tradition believes. When Mark Zuckerberg was at Harvard, he was able to use the Harvard brand and circumvent Harvard’s privacy laws to create Facebook. The president at that time was Larry Summers, and the faculty advisor to Harvard Chabad was Alan Dershowitz. Okay. And then 2016, Mark Zuckerberg and Jared Kushner are both involved in the Cambridge Analytica scandal. Again, it could be entirely coincidence. Yeah. Okay. But it’s kind of strange how these things line up.
DANNY JONES: (02:05:01 – 02:05:01) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:05:01 – 02:05:06) Okay, another thing that I will point out is, and you can Google this just to confirm, okay?
DANNY JONES: (02:05:06 – 02:05:17) Did you look at ChatGPT with us with that, Zuckerberg Chabad blessing? Yeah, it couldn’t give me any other. It seems like that’s like the only outlet. That was the only source. It is an official— it—
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:05:17 – 02:05:17) why?
DANNY JONES: (02:05:18 – 02:05:59) I already got rid of it. No, I think I did. Did I? It is an official, Jewish— just pull it up. Yeah, sure, just— you can do it again. Just show me on ChatGPT. The Jewish Journal, additional verified facts of Mark Zuckerberg’s family’s Jewish journey. While Meta’s official investor relations blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. It’s not that. Do this, Steve. Paste the link to that article. I was in the process of doing that. That we were looking into the AI and say. Can you corroborate this story with any other sources?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:06:00 – 02:06:06) All right, yeah, but like, you know that Jared Kushner’s family is a very prominent family in the Chabad Lubavitch movement, right?
DANNY JONES: (02:06:07 – 02:06:09) Uh, vaguely aware.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:06:09 – 02:06:34) Right, so the Kushner family is very prominent in the Chabad Lubavitch movement, and, Netanyahu and Charles Kushner, who is Jared Kushner’s father, yeah, they were very, very close. So close, in fact, that whenever Netanyahu visited the United States, he stayed with the Kushner family. Yeah, he slept in Jared Kushner’s bedroom. Okay, so it all aligns.
DANNY JONES: (02:06:34 – 02:06:35) That’s crazy.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:06:35 – 02:06:48) It’s crazy. Okay, so again, it could all be coincidence, but it’s really strange how you have this small group of people and they’re always associating and they’re all like now in the highest positions of power in the world.
DANNY JONES: (02:06:48 – 02:06:56) Are you familiar with the story of Jared Kushner’s dad on how he blackmailed like his brother-in-law or something like that by putting a prostitute in his hotel room.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:06:56 – 02:07:02) That’s right. And he was, prosecuted— no, so he was prosecuted by, by Christie for that.
DANNY JONES: (02:07:03 – 02:07:03) Chris Christie.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:07:03 – 02:07:09) That’s right. And that’s why Chris Christie and Jared Kushner have bad blood, because they were both involved in the 2016 campaign for Trump.
DANNY JONES: (02:07:09 – 02:07:10) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:07:10 – 02:07:14) And then, Jared Kushner got rid of Chris Christie, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there’s a lot about—
DANNY JONES: (02:07:14 – 02:07:15) that’s an insane story.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:07:15 – 02:07:31) Yeah. But, the story gets more insane because in 2016 and 2020, on the eve of the election, the presidential election, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump both visit the grave of Rabbi Schneerson. Rabbi Schneerson dies in 1994, by the way.
DANNY JONES: (02:07:31 – 02:07:32) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:07:32 – 02:07:58) And ask for his blessing. Rabbi Schneerson’s grave in Queens, New York, is the most visited Jewish holy site outside of Israel. 2024, Donald Trump with Ben Shapiro visit the grave of Rabbi Schneerson to ask for his blessing before his presidential election against Kamala Harris. Why would they do that? Like, who is this guy?
DANNY JONES: (02:07:59 – 02:08:23) Well, I mean, if he’s getting all of his money from people like the Adelsons and all of these other Zionist billionaires, you know, I would imagine that there could be some influence there. Like, hey, we want to do this PR, this will be great for the voting base, you know, the Zionist and the Jewish voting base. It’ll, you’ll get a lot of voters from them, and this will be a good PR thing to do. All right. Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:08:23 – 02:08:24) There you go. Okay.
Fact-Checking the Zuckerberg Story
DANNY JONES: (02:08:24 – 02:10:11) About Zuckerberg. Let me see your question. Can you go up? Okay. You just pasted the link to it and it said, the interview and the story described in the article. Okay. The interview and the story described in the article are entirely fabricated. While the article frames these quotes as direct testimony from Zuckerberg to a Jewish magazine, no such interview or statement ever took place. This story is a well-known piece of internet folklore, often referred to in Jewish media circles as a Chabad urban legend, and has been thoroughly debunked. Why the story is false. The story claims Zuckerberg’s father visited the rabbi in 1982 because he had— yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he had issues with having a kid. And then it says, okay, he has an older sister, Randi, and 2 younger sisters, Donna and Arielle. In 1982, his parents did not have 3 daughters. I thought I said I had 2 in the article. No record of the interview. There is absolutely no record in any reputable mainstream or Jewish publication of Mark Zuckerberg ever making these statements, nor did he deposit a Chabad dollar into the bank that founded Facebook. Well, how would this AI know that? I don’t know. Fabricated quotes. The quotes attributed to Zuckerberg discussing his father’s medical struggles, the rabbi’s philosophy, and the mystery linked to the creation of Facebook were completely invented for a viral internet story. I asked if Zuckerberg himself— he’s never commented on it. So it’s like, who knows? So go— it’s very interesting how defensive AI is being. Yeah, it doesn’t sound like it’s—
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:10:11 – 02:10:11) it’s weird.
DANNY JONES: (02:10:11 – 02:10:32) It’s debunking it, right? But it’s not being like very neutral about it. It seems to be being very aggressive debunking this story. It’s funny because I asked, I asked it simply if that information, if that did happen, and it says yes, his father did go to Rabbi Schneerson. Whoa. So it’s, so you asked it previously and it said yes?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:10:33 – 02:10:33) Yes.
DANNY JONES: (02:10:36 – 02:10:58) But then it cites that one article from Chabad.org. It cites that one article, according to this interview, it’s a Jewish outlet. And then when you asked it again down below, it said this is an entirely fabricated article. In a separate chat, I passed it in a separate one. This is a different tab. So you can find the author of it? I don’t know. That’s interesting.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:10:58 – 02:11:02) But, and why would Chabad Lubavitch just make this up out of thin air?
DANNY JONES: (02:11:02 – 02:11:03) Why would who make it up?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:11:03 – 02:11:05) Chabad Lubavitch. Why would they just make this up?
DANNY JONES: (02:11:06 – 02:11:07) Why would this, this article?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:11:07 – 02:11:13) Yeah, just be completely made up. If there’s no, if there’s no validity to it, why would you just make it up?
DANNY JONES: (02:11:13 – 02:11:19) I mean, people make shit up all the time. People make up, you know, people do smear campaigns on people all the time to try to tie them to— This isn’t a smear campaign.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:11:21 – 02:11:27) Campaign that this is like to praise Mark Zuckerberg, right? This is a Jewish magazine. It’s read by Jewish people.
DANNY JONES: (02:11:27 – 02:11:33) When was that published? That’s, that’s, that’s when we should have paid attention. 2015. That was published in 2015.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:11:33 – 02:11:35) All right, and this is a Jewish magazine.
DANNY JONES: (02:11:35 – 02:11:52) Well, it’s just weird because it’s the only article on the entire internet that references it, you know? It’s the only source for it. So it’s like, I don’t know, I feel like we gotta scrutinize it a little bit harder just because of that. There is— oh wait, wait, there is an author.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:11:52 – 02:11:54) Shira Dabush.
DANNY JONES: (02:11:55 – 02:12:15) You know how many stories online that we reference or, you know, use in context of coming up with a bigger theory on something only have one public— one article posted about it? Usually there’s, you know, lots of corroborating stories or different takes on it, at least acknowledging that this event actually happened.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:12:15 – 02:12:57) Right. You’re absolutely right. So yeah, but you know, it doesn’t really, yeah, I mean, like this is just a theory and I’m not saying this is what happened. I’m saying like there are certain thoughts and, you know, the connection between the Kushner family and Rabbi Schneerson are definitely true. This is heavily acknowledged. Something else that I want to bring up is, how we got into this, how the United States got into this war in Iraq. Okay, so, Rabbi Schneerson, he’s casting a pretty wide net, right? So he’s got connections to Henry Jackson, he’s got connections to—
DANNY JONES: (02:12:57 – 02:12:59) so yeah, we started talking about Scoop Jackson.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:12:59 – 02:12:59) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (02:12:59 – 02:13:08) And we started talking about how they brought Schneerson and his family back to the U.S. That’s right. And, the connection to Wolfowitz and Perle.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:13:09 – 02:13:09) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (02:13:09 – 02:13:11) And how they came up with this plan.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:13:11 – 02:13:11) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (02:13:12 – 02:13:13) Right. The Wolfowitz Doctrine.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:13:14 – 02:13:16) No, that’s no, the Clean Break Memo.
DANNY JONES: (02:13:16 – 02:13:17) The Clean Break Memo. Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:13:17 – 02:13:33) Right, right, right. So something that’s really important for us to keep in mind is Rabbi Schneerson wants the Messiah to come. Okay. And so I’m going to go into how he thinks and then we’ll tie it to current events.
DANNY JONES: (02:13:33 – 02:13:33) Okay.
Kabbalah, the Messiah, and an Eschatological Reading of Current Events
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:13:33 – 02:14:01) All right. So the question is, how much influence does Rabbi Schneerson have? And what I want to do now is go into how he perceives the world. And he perceives the world through something called Kabbalah. Okay. Kabbalah is just the Jewish mystical tradition. So you have the Bible, right? And the Bible is a collection of stories. So you have Adam and Eve, the story of the patriarchs, Moses, and then you have the story of King David.
DANNY JONES: (02:14:01 – 02:14:02) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:14:02 – 02:14:32) Right? And the idea of the Kabbalah is trying to interpret these stories in a mystical lens so as to understand the soul of the universe, the mind of God, right? And the understanding of the Kabbalah is, the world that we see around us, this material world, it’s a fake reality. It’s a simulation. The universe itself is pure consciousness, and the totality of this consciousness is God.
DANNY JONES: (02:14:33 – 02:14:38) Okay, so the universe itself is— the totality of the universe is pure consciousness.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:14:38 – 02:14:53) Yeah. Okay, so, think of energy, okay? Energy that vibrates, and that’s consciousness. And then at a lower level, this vibration becomes much more concrete, much more visible to the human eye, okay? And that’s the world that we live in.
DANNY JONES: (02:14:54 – 02:14:58) All right, and you’re saying that this is the view of the Kabbalists? The Kabbalah. Okay, great.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:14:58 – 02:14:59) And this is generally accepted?
DANNY JONES: (02:15:00 – 02:15:00) Understood.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:15:00 – 02:18:00) Okay, got it. So the idea is, rather than seeing that, consciousness emerges from matter, it’s really consciousness that creates matter, right? Okay, so mind before matter, right? Because in school we’re taught that matter leads to mind. Okay, the brain is what creates the— but what these Kabbalists believe, it’s the mind that creates the brain as well as the body. Right. Okay. So now what they’re going to do is they’re going to take this major idea, consciousness is the universe, and apply it to the Bible, the stories of the Bible, and resolve some mysteries as to what happened in the Bible. So the first mystery in the Bible is, why did Adam and Eve disobey God? Right? Because God just basically said, this is paradise, the Garden of Eden. You will live forever here, and you can eat as much food as you want. You’ll never have to labor. But there’s only one rule. And the rule is do not eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge. That’s all you have to do. And Adam and Eve just managed to break that one rule, which condemned humanity to the world that we live in today. We were cast aside from paradise, right? Okay. And so the Kabbalists are trying to figure out why this happened and what does this mean for us in the universe, right? And so the explanation is this. The explanation is, in the beginning, there’s only God. God’s a totality, and God is the will to bestow. He is pure love, and love means giving. The problem is there’s nothing to give to. So God creates a new being called Adam Kadmon, which is the will to receive, so that God can know itself, God can complete itself by giving to someone else. The problem is that Adam Kadmon is an immature being. It is the will to receive, therefore it is pure ego, and therefore it does not understand why God gives, because it only receives. And so Adam Kadmon receives this gift, the Divine Light, but at some point he hesitates, he doubts, and he rejects the Light, and he breaks. And this is the shattering of the world, okay? And the shattering of the world descends into our world, and these Divine Sparks become embodied by husks, by bodies, okay? So humans are this Divine Light that comes from Adam Kadmon, that now become embodied in bodies. And because we have bodies, we become blind to our divine origins. And we engage in all sorts of sin, right? Okay. And that’s why Adam and Eve disobeyed God. And that’s why when we go into the world, we commit all sorts of sin and evil. And this explains how the Bible progressed, right?
DANNY JONES: (02:18:00 – 02:18:01) That was the original sin.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:18:01 – 02:18:43) That was the original sin. And so the purpose of the universe is for the Jews to repair the world, because the Jews are the chosen people. They will repair the world and then bring all these shards of light back together again. And this will allow God to have a reunion with humanity. And this will repair the world. And this will be the end of days. Okay. So that is the general idea. Okay. But there’s a logic to all this process in that God is all-knowing. So God knew that we would reject his light. But that was part of the plan.
DANNY JONES: (02:18:43 – 02:18:43) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:18:43 – 02:18:58) Because it’s only through our sin that we will have knowledge that we can repent. Right. And therefore we can welcome God. And the classic example is a story of King David. David, who is the most beloved by God, right? I’m not sure how familiar you are with the Bible.
DANNY JONES: (02:18:59 – 02:19:00) I’m fairly familiar.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:19:00 – 02:20:31) Okay. So the story of King David is he becomes king of Israel and he starts an affair with Bathsheba. The problem is Bathsheba is already married to a man named Uriah the Hittite, who happens to be David’s greatest warrior. So David, in order to marry Bathsheba, kills Uriah the Hittite. Okay. And then Nathan, the prophet of God, comes to David and says, you’ve committed great sin. Do you feel sorry for what’s happened? And David’s like, not really. So God kills Bathsheba’s son with David. And this forces David into tremendous mourning. And now he repents. Now he recognizes all the sin that he’s caused. And what’s really odd about this is this creates an intimate relationship between God and David. Once David repents, once David recognizes that he has pierced sin, he opens his heart to God, and they become the best of friends. Now there’s a reunion between God and David. And that is the point of our existence, to commit so much evil in the world that we ultimately have to repent. And the moment we repent, then God forgives us. And now we can be one with God. Right. Okay. This is what an extreme faction of the Kabbalists believe. The problem is this extreme faction also includes Rabbi Schneerson and the Chabad Lubavitch movement. And that’s why he’s telling Netanyahu to hurry up the coming of the Messiah.
DANNY JONES: (02:20:32 – 02:20:32) Why?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:20:33 – 02:21:41) Because if you interpret the universe through this lens and you apply it to current affairs, then you want to create great conditions for the eventual redemption of humanity. Okay, so 3 things have to happen in order for the Jews to repent and for humanity to be redeemed. Right. The first thing that has to happen is the creation of the Greater Israel Project. Okay, why? Because the Greater Israel Project was God’s original covenant with the Jews. Okay, the Greater Israel Project. Number 2 is the return of the Jewish diaspora to Israel and the repentance. Okay? And what would cause their repentance? What will cause the return to Israel? And the answer is antisemitism. Right. Right? So the Kabbalists interpret the Holocaust very differently from the way you and I interpret the Holocaust. What you and I were taught was, okay, the Holocaust happened because Hitler was an antisemite. He had this hatred for the Jews. The Kabbalists believe something different. Okay. Again, these are an extreme faction of Kabbalists.
DANNY JONES: (02:21:41 – 02:21:42) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:21:42 – 02:22:15) They believe it was the Jews who forced the Holocaust. The Jews are at fault for the Holocaust. Because if you read the Bible, every time bad things happen to the Jews, it’s because the Jews disobey God and nothing else. Right? So Moses is leading the Jews out of slavery in Egypt to the Promised Land. And what do the Jews do? They build a calf to worship, but God already told them, do not worship false idols. Do not engage in idolatry.
DANNY JONES: (02:22:15 – 02:22:15) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:22:15 – 02:24:34) Right? So then God’s like, I have to punish you. And so you will spend 40 years wandering in the desert. All right? The greatest trauma for the Jews in the Bible is the destruction of their temple, because the temple is the house of God. It was the Babylonians who came to destroy it. But the prophet Jeremiah said to the Jews, the Babylonians are just a tool of God. Okay, it’s not the Babylonians who are doing this. It is God who is doing this. Why? Because God told you not to worship false idols, and you continue to worship other gods when we told you not to do so. So why did the Holocaust happen? It’s because God dispersed the Jews around the world to teach them a lesson, to force them to repent. What did the Jews do instead? They assimilated into Western society. They engaged in Reform Judaism. They became secular. They became intellectuals. They wanted to stay in Germany and the United States when they should have returned to Israel to build the temple of God and to repent. So God had to teach them a lesson. The lesson was the Holocaust. Okay, got it. Okay, so the same thing is happening today where most Jews are secular. There’s 40% of Jews in Israel, including Netanyahu, right? Yeah, 40% of Jews in Israel are secular. One-third of American Jews are secular. God cannot have this, okay? God wants Jews to repent and to worship him so they can be together. So given all that’s happening, the only thing that can force repentance among the Jews is a major tragedy for the Jews, very similar to the Holocaust. Okay, that’s number 2, to have the Jews return to Israel and to repent. And number 3 is the building of the Third Temple, which means the destruction of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, so that God can come to earth and be with the Jews again. Okay, so this is what Rabbi Schneerson said, given his Kabbalistic leanings, must happen. Now, why am I saying this? It’s because if you look at all 3 things, they track with current events.
DANNY JONES: (02:24:35 – 02:25:14) Yeah, they do. This is one of the crazier things. When I initially heard you say this, I thought it was completely batshit crazy. And then the more I thought about it and the more I saw happening and the more I saw these public events playing out with Netanyahu on camera, who’s a very smart guy, like Netanyahu is not dumb by any stretch of the imagination, I thought, okay, maybe this guy is starting to lose his fastball, right? He’s saying shit in front of cameras like, listen class, we have to buy TikTok, looking like a mobster, and other things that are just unbelievably terrible for PR for Israel, right? And it’s like either this guy just lost his mind or he’s doing this on purpose.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:25:14 – 02:25:15) He’s doing it on purpose, yeah.
DANNY JONES: (02:25:18 – 02:26:44) And it’s just, it’s really hard for me to cope with that actually. And again, like, he’s not a religious guy. So like, and also like, I thought about this. I can’t imagine. I have a lot of Jewish friends. I’ve always had, I have a bunch of Jewish friends. And if I asked them in today’s day, I mean, antisemitism, like, yeah, it’s ramping up online. You have, there was a crazy thing that happened in Tampa the other day where some guy went to a synagogue and with a gun or something, got arrested. There’s a lot of these types of things happening more recently, like a lot more of them popping up. And obviously there’s lots of antisemitism online. But I mean, I could call up any of my Jewish friends right now and ask them like, hey, if antisemitism continued on this trajectory where it is now and got a little bit worse over the next few years, would it ever convince you to move back to Israel? I think they would say, fuck no. I don’t think they would ever want to go back to Israel. I think maybe certain types of Jewish folks who are more religious might do that, but I don’t think the secular ones could ever be convinced to go back. Well, do you think that they could?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:26:44 – 02:26:54) Well, I mean, if we were talking the year 1910, 1920, and like, you know, they want to build this nation called Israel. It’s in the middle of a desert. It’s really, it’s literally a desert.
DANNY JONES: (02:26:54 – 02:26:55) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:26:55 – 02:27:24) And it’s already, people are already living there. And like, they want to convince Jews to go back to Israel. And we’re like, there’s no way they could succeed. There’s absolutely no way. The Jews are really established in the United States and throughout Europe, right? And both of these societies are very tolerant, very welcoming of Jews. They’re very successful where they are. Why the hell would any Jews go to Israel, right?
DANNY JONES: (02:27:26 – 02:27:26) But they did.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:27:26 – 02:27:27) But, but they did, right?
DANNY JONES: (02:27:31 – 02:27:40) So what’s holding them back from rebuilding this temple and doing this whole thing, right? Bringing back the Antichrist or whatever they want to do.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:27:41 – 02:27:50) Right. So right now, the foundation stone for the Third Temple is also where the Al-Aqsa Mosque is.
DANNY JONES: (02:27:50 – 02:27:50) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:27:51 – 02:29:05) The Al-Aqsa Mosque is the 3rd holiest site in the Islamic tradition, in the Islamic world, right? So there’s Mecca, Medina, and there is the Al-Aqsa Mosque where they believe is where Muhammad ascended to heaven. So if they were to destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque in order to build the Third Temple, this would ignite sectarian violence throughout the world. And this is also part of the eschatology because this is really the War of Gog and Magog. This is all part of the plan as well. Now, certain things about the Al-Aqsa Mosque— to build the Third Temple, you need certain preconditions. A major precondition is you would need a perfect red heifer to sacrifice on the grounds of the mosque in order to consecrate the grounds to build the Third Temple. And they have the perfect red heifer. So this guy in Texas, he bioengineered perfect red heifers. Just— well, that is— yes, the red heifers in Texas. And like, Steve can Google this right now.
DANNY JONES: (02:29:05 – 02:29:05) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:29:06 – 02:29:20) And they were transported to Israel about 2 years ago. So now Israel has a genetically engineered red heifer. That’s right. That is perfect. And I’m not joking here, guys.
DANNY JONES: (02:29:21 – 02:29:29) Texas man ships red heifer to Israel and he’s wearing a yarmulke. For ceremony, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:29:29 – 02:29:31) Yeah, this is very well known. Okay.
DANNY JONES: (02:29:31 – 02:29:40) Well, look at this. Look at this YouTube video. Texas Red Heifers arrival stirs prophetic excitement in Israel in September of 2022.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:29:40 – 02:30:15) Okay. So that’s number one. Jesus. Yeah, they’re serious about this, man. They spent millions of dollars over years and years just to bioengineer perfect red heifers. Okay. They’re very serious about this. Okay. That’s number one. The perfect red heifers are in place. Number 2 is there’s the organization that wants to build the Third Temple, something called the Temple Institute. The Temple Institute. And they’ve already built the Third Temple, like brick by brick. And so all they have to do is move this Third Temple to the site. Okay, it’s called the Temple Institute.
DANNY JONES: (02:30:15 – 02:30:17) They prefabbed it and they can just go like drop it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:30:18 – 02:31:12) Exactly, they prefabbed it. Okay, that’s number three. Number three is, for the past two years, there have been archaeological surveys underneath the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and people suspect that what they’re really trying to do is undermine the foundations of the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Because if that were to happen, and there’s this war going on between Israel and Iran, right? If Iran were to lob a missile over Jerusalem, they could implode the Al-Aqsa Mosque and blame it on the Iranians. And in fact, there’s a video of this Jewish rabbi in Israel saying how this is like the perfect plan to cause war between the Persians and the Arabs, right? Because the Iranians are Persians and Saudi Arabia, they’re Arabs, and just have them kill each other, right? And that’d be perfect. Do you want to watch the video?
DANNY JONES: (02:31:12 – 02:31:12) Sure.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:31:13 – 02:31:22) Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you have to Google this, Steve. Okay, but it’s basically Israel, rabbi, mosque, missile.
DANNY JONES: (02:31:23 – 02:31:26) While you look for Al-Aqsa Mosque, you’re gonna use restroom?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:31:26 – 02:31:26) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (02:31:26 – 02:32:17) All right, cool. We’ll pause real quick. Hit it, Steve. We don’t know, maybe one of the missiles will hit the mosque and clear the place for the 3rd Beit HaMikdash. That could also be a miracle. If it was up to me, the last time when they shot hundreds of missiles, I would pretend that one missile came from Iran and shoot it down. You know, then all the Arabs will go against Iran. It will be the end of the problems. You make them fight with each other, this bunch of lunatics. Never too late. You deal with a bunch of cowards. The Israeli leaders, they just want to pass the week. Let us survive this week. They don’t think long term. Some of the shit that comes out of the mouths of these people, they’re honest about it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:32:17 – 02:32:18) They’re direct about it.
DANNY JONES: (02:32:18 – 02:32:19) They are.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:32:19 – 02:32:19) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (02:32:20 – 02:32:29) And they aren’t concerned about what people are going to think. You know, they’re not concerned about long-term ramifications of this. Well, first of all, which tracks with them wanting the end times. Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:32:29 – 02:32:49) First of all, I think they think we’re too stupid to know what’s going on. Also, like, as part of that, have they checked Twitter? As part of their grand eschatology, they want us to know what’s going on, right? Right. And, third of all, I think like they believe it’s all part of God’s plan, so there’s nothing anyone can do to stop it. Okay.
DANNY JONES: (02:32:49 – 02:32:50) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:32:50 – 02:32:55) But I’ll show you another video, and this is Peter Hegseth, who is now obviously the war secretary.
DANNY JONES: (02:32:55 – 02:32:57) Yeah, I watched this last night.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:32:57 – 02:33:04) Yeah, but he’s also talking about the building of the Third Temple and how it’s God’s plan to build the Third Temple. So it’s like, so okay, can we show them?
DANNY JONES: (02:33:04 – 02:33:09) Yeah, show that clip of Hegseth. It’s towards the end of it. I want to say it’s about 9 minutes in, 9 and a half minutes in.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:33:09 – 02:33:09) Okay.
DANNY JONES: (02:33:10 – 02:33:14) Where he’s talking in front of that, at the podium or whatever. And yeah, right there.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:33:14 – 02:33:14) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (02:33:14 – 02:34:20) Now the Western Wall, a little bit, a little bit before this. So much of the old— right there. People of the scripture of this land and the understanding that, if for years, if not this year in Jerusalem, then next year in Jerusalem, but we are here in Jerusalem. And today Jennifer and I and others had a chance to go see the Western Wall of the Temple Mount, the Western Wall tunnels, so much of the Old City. And as you stand there, you can’t help but behold the miracle before you. And it got me thinking about another miracle that I hope all of you don’t see too far away. Because 1917 was a miracle. 1948 was a miracle. 1967 was a miracle. 2017, the declaration of Jerusalem as the capital, was a miracle. And there’s no reason why the miracle of the reestablishment of the temple on the Temple Mount is not possible. Yeah, when he said that, people were only gasping in the background.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:34:20 – 02:34:33) Yeah, it’s part of God’s plan, right? Because how else can you explain how history has developed, right? He’s saying how 1917, the Balfour Declaration, is a miracle. Yep. 1948, the founding of the State of Israel is a miracle. 1967, the war against the Arabs is a miracle.
DANNY JONES: (02:34:34 – 02:34:37) Moving of the capital to Jerusalem, it’s all a miracle, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:34:37 – 02:35:15) And why this is important is, you know, in July, Donald Trump was in Ankara, Turkey for a NATO conference. And, this past month, in early July, this past July though, you’re talking about— yeah, that’s right. And intelligence, the Israelis told him, look, there’s a bomb on your plane, Air Force One. So Donald Trump sneaks out of Air Force One on a catering truck. And this is reported, okay? This is news, right? Yeah. And the news reporters are still on the plane.
DANNY JONES: (02:35:15 – 02:35:17) They told him to stay on the plane.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:35:17 – 02:35:55) They were told to stay on the plane. Most of his cabinet are still on the plane. Karoline Leavitt is still on the plane, okay? He brings 2 people with him. They’re Peter Hegseth, his war secretary, the guy who was calling for the Third Temple, and also Natalie Harp. Okay, so there’s a lot of scrutiny around Natalie Harp. Who is Natalie Harp? Natalie Harp is someone who is very close with Trump, and basically she writes all of Trump’s social media posts. Okay, and remember a few months ago how Trump released a Truth Social post of him being Jesus?
DANNY JONES: (02:35:56 – 02:35:56) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:35:56 – 02:36:21) That’s Natalie Harp. This woman who’s, you know, like 35, 36, she literally believes Trump is Jesus. So this is a new story of how, she was not allowed on the motorcade with Trump, so she forced herself onto the back of an SUV, the trunk of an SUV, just so she could ride with Trump in the motorcade.
DANNY JONES: (02:36:21 – 02:36:24) Didn’t she also sleep in the locker room, you said?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:36:24 – 02:36:37) And there’s another story of how Trump was at Bedminster Golf Club and there was no room for her. So it’s like, fine, I’ll just sleep in the locker room. So that’s who Natalie Harp is. And Natalie Harp is probably the person closest to Trump.
DANNY JONES: (02:36:38 – 02:36:38) Is she Jewish?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:36:39 – 02:36:48) She’s not Jewish. Okay. But there are people around Trump who are very close with him who are— they’re not Jewish, but they are Christian Zionists. And this includes Peter Hegseth.
DANNY JONES: (02:36:48 – 02:36:48) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:36:49 – 02:37:27) And it also includes Sean Hannity. It also includes Natalie Harp. Right. And I think that why they’re so influential around Trump is, after January 6th, 2020, Trump was isolated. There were a lot of people who were close to Trump, even his own daughter, who abandoned him because of the controversy around January 6th. But certain individuals who did not abandon him, they include Natalie Harp, Sean Hannity, Miriam Adelson. Okay. And that’s why they are so influential around Trump. Natalie Harp literally believes Trump is Jesus.
DANNY JONES: (02:37:28 – 02:37:30) She said this, or are you just saying this because of her post?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:37:31 – 02:37:32) Just the way she behaves.
DANNY JONES: (02:37:32 – 02:37:32) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:37:33 – 02:37:55) Right. Yeah. I mean, everyone’s like, she’s just crazy. But isn’t it just easier to believe that she literally believes Trump is Jesus and he’s doing God’s work? And Trump has her with him all the time, right? So that tells us that Trump probably believes this himself.
DANNY JONES: (02:37:55 – 02:38:03) Yeah. So, what is the whole Gog and Magog thing?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:38:04 – 02:39:13) Okay, so in this eschatology, yeah, okay, the world ends when the Jews repent, when the Jews call for God. But the Jews will only call for God at the moment of their worst suffering, at the moment when their very existence is most threatened. That’s when they know the Messiah is coming, because when all is lost, God will save them. Okay, so the moment of the greatest despair for Israel will be the War of Gog and Magog. And in this eschatology, they believe that it will be an alliance of Russia and Persia that will attack Israel, an alliance between the Orthodox Church and the Islamic world that will try to destroy Israel. And at this moment, all Jews around the world will call to God. They will repent because the very existence of the Jews is being threatened. And at this time, God will come and save the world. Christians believe this will force the return of Jesus. Jews believe this will force the coming of the Messiah.
Chabad’s Global Reach: From Ukraine to Trump’s Iran War
DANNY JONES: (02:39:16 – 02:39:35) And is there something to do— like, is there a connection between all of the wars in the Middle East, including the Iran War, and maybe even the Russia-Ukraine War that connects to this? Like, does it have to be like worldwide chaos?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:39:35 – 02:43:11) Yeah, yeah, that’s right. So if you look at Chabad Lubavitch, right, they are throughout the world, okay? And they are most dominant, in a few places. They are dominant in the United States. They are dominant in Israel, of course, right? And Chabad Lubavitch has influence over Trump, and they also have influence over Netanyahu. But what people don’t appreciate is Chabad Lubavitch is also influential in Russia, and they have a very strong alliance with Putin. In fact, one of Putin’s officials came out and said that Chabad Lubavitch, it is a supremacist cult. It’s a cult. And Putin fired him. Chabad Lubavitch is also very prominent in Ukraine because that’s where they’re from, right? And, what’s really interesting is that this was all engineered by Rabbi Schneerson because going back to the 1970s, okay, 1970s, Rabbi Schneerson was, supporting Henry Jackson. And Henry Jackson wanted the Soviet Union to allow Jews to immigrate to Israel. Now, if you watch YouTube, okay, there are lots of people who worship Rabbi Schneerson, and it’s too long a video, okay? But in one of the videos, which was about an hour long, a rabbi who was a translator for Rabbi Schneerson tells a story of how Rabbi Schneerson communicated with the Chabad Lubavitch in the Soviet Union back in the 1970s. Because at this time, Chabad Lubavitch was being persecuted by the Soviet authorities. So what happened was that the Chabad Lubavitch movement was under a lot of scrutiny, and they wanted to know if they should immigrate or should they stay in the Soviet Union. So they sent a message to Rabbi Schneerson in Brooklyn. And then Rabbi Schneerson then asked one of his rabbis to go to the Soviet Union and give 2 Bibles to 2 powerful rabbis of the Chabad Lubavitch movement, okay? And he didn’t even know what his mission was, but he was told to give a Bible to these 2 individuals. So he goes and he does this, and the first person opens the Bible, and there’s a page that is marked. He opens it, he reads the story, he’s like, oh, I understand now. Rabbi Schneerson wants me to immigrate to Israel. But right now, the Soviet authorities won’t let us immigrate. So what should I do? Well, I should trust the rabbi because he’s a prophet and we know we will be allowed to immigrate. And I will prepare my flock to move to Israel when the time is ready. Okay. And the emissary then goes to a second person. The second person opens the Bible and turns to another page, and he’s like, oh, the Rebbe has told me to stay in the Soviet Union. So that’s what I’ll do. I will prepare my flock to weather the storm and stay in the Soviet Union forever. Okay? So in the 1970s, Rebbe Schneerson had this all mapped out. He knew exactly who should be where, which rabbi should be in Ukraine or in Russia or in Israel. He had it all mapped out in his head. Laura Loomer recently visited Ukraine and she met with 2 people. She met with Zelensky and she met with the head of the Chabad Lubavitch movement in Ukraine. And we can fact-check this.
DANNY JONES: (02:43:11 – 02:43:14) Laura Loomer, the crazy face lady?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:43:14 – 02:43:23) Yes. I don’t know— I don’t know why Chabad Lubavitch is all over the news. But, but just Google, did Laura Loomer meet with Chabad Lubavitch in Ukraine?
DANNY JONES: (02:43:24 – 02:43:25) Are you talking about Lindsey Graham?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:43:25 – 02:43:26) No, Laura Loomer. What?
DANNY JONES: (02:43:27 – 02:43:30) That’s crazy. I believe you.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:43:31 – 02:43:36) We can fact-check it right now. I can’t believe it when I saw it as well. Like, why are they everywhere?
DANNY JONES: (02:43:36 – 02:43:40) Mhm. Okay. Yeah, well, she’s also like a psycho.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:43:41 – 02:43:42) Look, look at this.
DANNY JONES: (02:43:42 – 02:43:58) Laura Loomer met with Rabbi Moshe, whatever, the Chabad-affiliated rabbi who holds the title of chief rabbi in Ukraine, during her trip to Kyiv in July of 2026. Wow. The Guardian. Yeah, that’s good. Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:43:58 – 02:44:03) Like, like, what’s going on here? Why are they everywhere? And why is everyone meeting with them? Right? So Laura Loomer met with—
DANNY JONES: (02:44:03 – 02:44:07) well, she’s like a nobody. She just gets a lot of attention online because everybody hates her.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:44:07 – 02:44:09) She has a lot of influence in the White House, though.
DANNY JONES: (02:44:09 – 02:44:10) Does she really?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:44:10 – 02:44:14) So I was in Los Angeles and I met with Max Blumenthal. Do you know Max?
DANNY JONES: (02:44:14 – 02:44:16) Yeah, I’m familiar with Max Blumenthal.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:44:16 – 02:44:23) Yeah, well, you know, he was in Iran for the Ayatollah’s funeral. He comes back to—
DANNY JONES: (02:44:23 – 02:44:24) Max was?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:44:24 – 02:44:42) Yes, he comes back to the United States and his devices were confiscated. And now Max is suing the Department of Homeland Security because he wants to know who did this. And his suspicion is it was Laura Loomer because Laura Loomer was posting how—
DANNY JONES: (02:44:42 – 02:44:42) wow—
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:44:43 – 02:44:57) how Max was a traitor, or, you know, this guy should be prosecuted for doing this. So Laura Loomer has a lot of pull in the White House. I don’t know why, but apparently she’s able to get people fired in the White House as well.
DANNY JONES: (02:44:57 – 02:45:54) Yeah, well, it seems like anyone who kisses Trump’s ass hard enough, we’ll get some sway. He’ll bring them in as long as they talk nice about him, build him up, kiss his ass. It’s like, I had a hard time believing that Trump could do this whole war on Iran just because Netanyahu schmoozed him, said, oh, you’re going to be looked at like one of the greatest presidents in American history. Everyone’s going to love you. It’s going to be the best thing America has ever accomplished when you take down Iran. It’s going to be super easy. You know, just with words like that and compliments and buttering him up. I found it very hard to believe that that would be possible. But the more I think about it it’s like, maybe, because it seems to be that way with everyone else. You know, all you really need to do is just, you know, talk nice about him in public.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:45:54 – 02:46:15) And the people who have the most influence over Donald Trump right now happen to believe in this eschatology. Yeah, but also like Sean Hannity, they talk on the phone every day. He watches 3 hours of Fox News every single day. Natalie Harp, Peter Hegseth— the people who most believe in this have the most sway over Trump right now.
DANNY JONES: (02:46:15 – 02:46:44) Well, do you think that the Epstein stuff had anything to do with him invading Iran? Because there’s that great— there’s not great, but it’s a fucking crazy email that was in the Epstein files. I believe it was in 2017 or 2018, a year before he died, where he said in an email to— fuck, I can’t remember who the email was to, but Epstein wrote in an email saying that if Trump feels cornered like a rat, he will invade Iran.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:46:45 – 02:47:34) That could be true, but, you know, I predicted he would do so 2 years ago, right? And how was I able to do so? Yeah, just, pattern recognition, right? I’m just connecting the dots. Trump comes into office, right? And what does he do? He gets out of the JCPOA. Yeah, the Iran nuclear deal, right? He’s like, screw that, we’re not doing that. That’s number one. Number 2 is he moves the capital to Jerusalem. He moves the embassy to Jerusalem, which is, which is a no-go for past presidents. Like, this is the worst thing you could possibly do for the Middle East. But Trump said, screw that, we’re moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. That’s number 2. Number 3 is he recognized Israel’s control over the Golan Heights. Okay, that’s number three. Number four is he orders the assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani.
DANNY JONES: (02:47:34 – 02:47:35) Yep.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:47:35 – 02:47:40) Right? You just connect the dots and you’re like, well, then the next logical step is he attacks Iran.
DANNY JONES: (02:47:42 – 02:47:42) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:47:43 – 02:48:16) Right. So, so I mean, there’s a pattern of behavior, right? And again, like the only explanation I have is this is all eschatological because just from a pure geopolitical perspective, this makes no sense. None of this makes any sense. Why are you destroying the global economy, right? I mean, like, the first thing the Iranians will do is close off the Strait of Hormuz and attack the energy infrastructure of.
DANNY JONES: (02:48:16 – 02:48:17) Of the Gulf States.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:48:17 – 02:48:28) The Gulf States. Why wouldn’t they do so? They have to save themselves, right? You forced their hand, right? And Trump’s like, no, I didn’t know that. I didn’t know that, right?
DANNY JONES: (02:48:28 – 02:48:32) Yeah, it’s insane that they didn’t game this out, right? It’s crazy to me.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:48:32 – 02:48:38) Even today, we don’t know why this war is happening. Trump has yet to articulate a good reason why.
DANNY JONES: (02:48:38 – 02:48:45) Well, because we can’t let them have a nuclear weapon, according to Hegseth and that appearance that he made in front of Congress in July, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:48:45 – 02:48:56) But remember, before the Americans assassinated the Ayatollah, he had a fatwa. Yes, he did, saying no nuclear weapons for any reason.
DANNY JONES: (02:48:56 – 02:48:56) Yep.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:48:57 – 02:49:00) So as long as he was in charge, not only no nuclear—
DANNY JONES: (02:49:00 – 02:49:09) no, no development of nuclear weapons, but not to ever use a nuclear weapon, let alone develop one. I actually had a former Mossad guy on here telling me that, and that’s true, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:49:09 – 02:49:16) So, so, so you don’t kill the guy. Iran cannot have nuclear weapons, right? Because it’s a theocracy. They take the religious law seriously.
DANNY JONES: (02:49:16 – 02:50:08) Yeah. Yeah. John Kiriakou was on the show. He was telling me— he’s a former CIA officer who worked in the Middle East. He captured Abu Zubaydah during the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. And he was telling me that there were 2 of these national intelligence assessments. And this is when all, whatever, 17 or 18 of the US intelligence agencies, they all get together and individually they all go into their corners and do an assessment on whether Iran has a nuclear weapon program. And independently, all 18 intelligence agencies went and did their assessment, and the head of each agency came together in a roundtable and unanimously decided that they all agree that Iran does not have a nuclear— this happened twice.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:50:09 – 02:50:23) Yes, yes. There’s also something called the Millennium Challenge where like 20 years ago they war-gamed a war with Iran, and the conclusion was the United States could not possibly defeat Iran in a war.
DANNY JONES: (02:50:24 – 02:50:24) When was this?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:50:24 – 02:50:32) This is called the Millennium Challenge. I believe it was 2002. Okay, so, maybe Steve, you, what was it? The Millennium Challenge.
DANNY JONES: (02:50:32 – 02:50:32) Millennium.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:50:32 – 02:50:33) The Millennium Challenge.
DANNY JONES: (02:50:33 – 02:50:34) Millennium Challenge.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:50:34 – 02:50:37) I believe it was 2002. Okay, I could be wrong, but I believe it was 2002.
DANNY JONES: (02:50:37 – 02:50:37) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:50:37 – 02:50:46) And the war game, the conclusion was the United States— that Iran would use asymmetrical warfare.
DANNY JONES: (02:50:46 – 02:50:49) A $250 [billion] military war game.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:50:51 – 02:50:52) Wow.
DANNY JONES: (02:50:52 – 02:51:08) The largest and most expensive war game in U.S. history, held from July 24th to August 15th, 2002, to test network-centric warfare concepts. Keep going down. What does it say about Iran? Keep going.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:51:10 – 02:51:33) Right, so they war-gamed a war against Iran and they kept on losing because Iran could just use asymmetrical warfare, just drones against their aircraft carriers. There’s absolutely no way for the aircraft carriers to protect against a drone swarm, which is exactly what’s happening right now, right? So they knew exactly what’s gonna happen in 2002, right?
DANNY JONES: (02:51:34 – 02:51:53) And we spend like billions of dollars on a single aircraft carrier, and the type of equipment that we build and we’ve developed is, yeah, it’s shiny and it’s new, but it’s not suitable for warfare against a country that does war like that.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:51:53 – 02:52:08) Exactly. Another issue is sailors live in the aircraft carrier, and there’s only so much time that human beings can live in a confined space, right? Well, they’re already trying to commit suicide off the aircraft carrier because they’ve been deployed for 9 months.
DANNY JONES: (02:52:08 – 02:52:08) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:52:08 – 02:52:21) And like, the maximum you’re supposed to be deployed is 6 months. So they’re all going crazy, right? And rather than admit the problem, Peter Hegseth is trying to bury it. Mm-hmm. Right?
DANNY JONES: (02:52:22 – 02:52:41) Yeah. The story just came out a couple days ago where there’s at least one or two sailors on one of the aircraft carriers, the Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln maybe, who jumped overboard trying to kill themselves. The one guy was in the water for like an hour and they didn’t tell his wife or his family. One of his friends had to reach out to his wife and tell him about that.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:52:42 – 02:52:57) So again, it’s very hard to understand what’s going on unless you look at it from an eschatological lens. Yeah, right. They literally believe this is the end of the world, and they’re preparing for the coming of God.
Predicting the Course of the Iran War
DANNY JONES: (02:53:00 – 02:53:08) So how do you predict that this Iran war is going to play out? How much longer do you think it’s going to last, and what are going to be the downstream effects of it?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:53:11 – 02:53:52) This war is almost unstoppable at this point, because what’s happened is both sides have become eschatological. So the United States has become more extreme. So Trump is surrounding himself with people who are going to reinforce his religious zeal, people like Natalie Harp and Peter Hegseth. Okay. And the Israelis have gone all in on this eschatology as well. But the Iranians have changed as well. So at the onset of this war, the Iranians were led by a very pragmatic leadership.
DANNY JONES: (02:53:52 – 02:53:53) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:53:53 – 02:53:56) But the Americans have killed them all, right?
DANNY JONES: (02:53:57 – 02:54:01) And they killed Soleimani and they literally did nothing. Yeah, there was no reaction.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:54:01 – 02:55:00) That’s right. So a lot of the pragmatic leadership, the wise moderates, have been eliminated. And who’s rising in the ranks in the IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, are these radicals who are eschatological. They’re young, they’re angry, and they want vengeance for what the United States is doing to Iran. And they are eschatological because they believe that this is the end of the world. This is the war to end all wars. And when this happens, then their Messiah called the 12th Imam, the Mahdi, will come to lead them. Okay, so this has become a religious war on both sides. And it’s almost intentional because remember, the United States had an MOU with Iran.
DANNY JONES: (02:55:01 – 02:55:01) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:55:01 – 02:55:11) And the United States kept on reneging on the MOU, which embarrassed the moderates in Iran.
DANNY JONES: (02:55:11 – 02:55:11) Yeah, right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:55:12 – 02:55:34) It basically delegitimized them, and now the zealots are in control. So what Iran has said is we now refuse to negotiate with Americans. So from now on, we will go on the offensive. We will no longer retaliate against bombing. We will now initiate attacks.
DANNY JONES: (02:55:34 – 02:55:42) So as of today, what is the date today? August 19th. There’s no negotiating. There’s no— they’re not trying to negotiate at all.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:55:42 – 02:56:04) It’s done. The Iranians no longer want to negotiate. And there’s even discussion that the Iranians will attack as far as Europe, because they believe that a lot of weaponry is coming from Europe. So if this were to happen, what’s going to happen is the Ukraine war and the Iran war would merge together to engulf the entire world.
DANNY JONES: (02:56:08 – 02:56:10) How the hell would they merge together?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:56:11 – 02:56:22) So, Iran is being embargoed by the United States right now, and there are two countries that support Iran, right? You have China, you have Russia.
DANNY JONES: (02:56:22 – 02:56:22) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:56:23 – 02:56:39) China supports Iran through railways, through Central Asia. Russia supports Iran through the Caspian Sea, right? Can we drop a map, Steve? It’s really important we see the map. Okay. So we’ll just see a map of Central Asia and the Middle East, and I’ll show you how the wars will link up.
DANNY JONES: (02:56:40 – 02:56:46) Is Zelensky going to try to supply the United States with drones and shit?
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:56:46 – 02:56:54) No, what? No, no, it’s much worse than that. Okay, so, so you see, Ukraine, right? You see Ukraine and you see Iran.
DANNY JONES: (02:56:54 – 02:57:00) Okay, yes, I see Ukraine and I see Iran. Okay, punch in a little bit, Steve, just a little bit.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:57:00 – 02:57:14) Okay, okay, here we go. Okay, all right, so right now there are 2 wars. The war in Ukraine, Eastern Ukraine, and the war in Iran. Right now Russia supplies Iran through the Caspian Sea, right? You see that big lake in the middle?
DANNY JONES: (02:57:15 – 02:57:15) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:57:15 – 02:57:15) Okay.
DANNY JONES: (02:57:15 – 02:57:15) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:57:16 – 02:57:28) What happened a couple of weeks ago was the Ukrainians launched a drone strike against an Iranian cargo ship, killing one person in the Caspian Sea. You see how far Ukraine is from the Caspian Sea, right?
DANNY JONES: (02:57:29 – 02:57:29) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:57:29 – 02:59:10) Zelensky admitted it was the Ukrainians who did this. And he said it was justified, because the Iranians are supplying the Russians in the war. Okay, but people suspect that it’s because Zelensky is trying to get American financing and support for the war in Ukraine, and that’s why he’s trying to merge these 2 wars, right? So, as this war continues, what’s going to happen is the United States will try to cut off Russian supplies to Tehran, and that means a war in the Caspian, which could involve Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan. And if these 3 are involved, then you have the merging of these 2 fronts, the Ukraine and the Iranian fronts. Also, what’s been happening is Iran’s proxies have been brought into the war. Okay, so at the onset of the war, it was Israel and the United States versus Iran. Now, there are more fronts opened up. Okay, so you have Hezbollah in Lebanon. Israel is attacking Hezbollah in Lebanon, right? There’s talk of Syria attacking Hezbollah from the north. Okay, that’s one front. Another front is if you go down to Yemen. Okay, there’s something called the Bab el-Mandeb Strait. Okay, you see this, right? Okay, this is where the Houthis are, right? The Houthis are also a proxy of the Iranians, and they have been brought into the war. And what is important is the Houthis live in mountains. It is impossible to attack mountains. They tried during Operation Prosperity Guardian. It did not work.
DANNY JONES: (02:59:10 – 02:59:10) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (02:59:11 – 03:00:48) The Houthis are in striking range of the entire Saudi Arabian energy infrastructure, and they’ve been attacking Aramco oil fields with their drones because at the end of the day, the entire Middle East is just one giant oil field that you can blow up with ballistic missiles or drone strikes. Okay, so you can see how this war is expanding very rapidly throughout the world. Something else that is happening is on the economic front. Japan is under a lot of pressure, and the reason why is Japan provides a lot of liquidity to the world. It’s something called the Japanese yen carry trade. Okay, and this is a very complex concept, but I’ll try my best to explain it in very simple terms. Basically, the idea is this: for the past 30 years, Japan has been suffering from deflation. So the government is like, we’ll just lend money at zero interest to Japanese banks and corporations in order to refinance the Japanese economy, right? Right. But if you’re getting money at 0%, you’re like, why don’t we just take this money and then buy US Treasuries, which give you 5% a year, right? It’s called the yen carry trade. So it’s like free money, right? So what’s happening is Japan is literally financing the entire world with the yen carry trade. But with this war in the Middle East, Japan is losing most of its oil supply, which is putting strain on the Japanese yen. That’s why these past few months the Japanese yen has been sinking, because investors believe the Japanese economy is heading towards collapse. In order to shore up the yen—
DANNY JONES: (03:00:48 – 03:00:50) where do they buy their oil from?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:00:50 – 03:00:51) From the Middle East.
DANNY JONES: (03:00:51 – 03:00:54) From what specifically? Where though?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:00:54 – 03:00:56) Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait.
DANNY JONES: (03:00:56 – 03:00:56) Okay, all of them. Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:00:57 – 03:02:11) Yeah, like maybe 80% of Japanese oil comes from the Middle East. Okay. Right. And Japan still has strategic petroleum reserves, but it’s gonna run out in like 6 months. Wow. Japan doesn’t have any oil, okay? So investors are putting strain on the Japanese yen, which means that eventually what’s going to happen is Japan is going to have to end the yen carry trade. And so Japan can no longer finance the world. And what is important is Japan right now is the world’s biggest buyer of U.S. Treasuries. Japan has over a trillion dollars in U.S. Treasuries. And if Japan stops buying U.S. Treasuries, then this is going to put strain on the U.S. economy. And it’s possible that this will burst 2 bubbles, the AI bubble and the private credit bubble in the United States. And this would cause tremendous contagion throughout the United States. Basically, it would cause a white-collar apocalypse. You know how during the ’80s and ’90s, a lot of blue-collar jobs were shipped off to China, right? And so workers suffered. Well, if the economy were to collapse, then a lot of white-collar people would lose their livelihoods. Right? The middle class would cease to exist in the United States. Right.
DANNY JONES: (03:02:12 – 03:03:37) Yeah. Japan’s the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasuries, approximately 1.16 trillion. So in the beginning of this Iran thing, one of the craziest things, there was a documentary that Vice did where Shane Smith went to Iran and was talking to one of the spokespeople for Iran. And they were showing how, I forget which president it was, but I think it was in the ’70s, one of the presidents gifted Iran with its first nuclear reactor, and it was called Atoms for Peace to help them with nuclear energy. And, you know, the question was asked, like, if it seems like nukes are the biggest question or the biggest excuse that everyone’s using to go after you, like, they can’t have a nuclear program, they can’t have a nuclear program. Eisenhower did the Atoms for Peace thing where they gave them their first 5-megawatt nuclear reactor, and it’s still sitting there in Tehran. And it’s just funny that now, that’s the excuse they’re using to invade. But so he was asking like, this is, you know, a hotbed, or this is like one of the primary locations on Earth for oil reserves. Like, you guys are surrounded by oil.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:03:37 – 03:03:37) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:03:38 – 03:03:46) Why not just use oil? Why do you need nuclear energy? It seems like that would be a huge answer to all of your biggest problems.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:03:46 – 03:03:47) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:03:48 – 03:03:54) And the guy gave kind of a bullshit answer. He kind of was like— his answer was like, oh, climate change.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:03:55 – 03:03:55) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:03:55 – 03:04:06) But if I was a leader of Iran and they were accusing me of having a nuclear program and doing that, and I was like, no, I need to have this much nuclear energy, we need to refine this much to have nuclear power, I would just fucking go off nuclear and I would just do all oil.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:04:06 – 03:04:06) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:04:06 – 03:04:07) Fossil fuels.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:04:07 – 03:04:11) Yeah. Yep.
DANNY JONES: (03:04:11 – 03:04:13) You know, like, don’t you think that seems— would seem like a reasonable thing for them to do?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:04:14 – 03:04:40) Yeah. Look, I think if you look at the Middle East, not a lot of things make sense. Okay. So one of the biggest mysteries is why the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, right? Because, if you just look at Saddam Hussein at this point, his advisors went to him and said, look, I think the Americans are trying to invade us. Saddam Hussein’s like, there’s no way they would invade us.
DANNY JONES: (03:04:40 – 03:04:40) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:04:40 – 03:04:41) The reason why is this.
DANNY JONES: (03:04:41 – 03:04:42) It makes no sense, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:04:42 – 03:04:56) If they came and destroyed Iraq, Iran would become the regional superpower. Why would they do that, right? Why not just have Iraq and Iran kill each other like what happened in the 1980s Iraq-Iran War, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:04:56 – 03:04:56) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:04:56 – 03:04:58) That’s the power. That’s how empires behave.
DANNY JONES: (03:04:58 – 03:04:58) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:04:58 – 03:05:08) There’s no way they would come destroy us. So we just, nope, it’s not gonna happen. Mm-hmm. It makes no sense. Even today, it makes no sense.
DANNY JONES: (03:05:09 – 03:05:15) Unless you have some crazy religious zealots that have the answer to everything.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:05:15 – 03:05:32) Yeah, so, so let’s look at another video. Okay, this is Wesley Clark talking to Amy Goodman, and this is after 9/11. And Wesley Clark is saying how the United States has this plan to invade 7 countries.
DANNY JONES: (03:05:33 – 03:05:35) Oh yeah, right, in like a certain amount of years.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:05:35 – 03:05:38) Yeah, yeah, yeah, in 5 years, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:05:39 – 03:05:49) And how long is this video, Steve? 7 minutes. You know which part of the video he says this? Go ahead, hit play.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:05:50 – 03:09:14) About 10 days after I went through the Pentagon and Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me. And one of the generals called me and he said, sir, you gotta come in, you gotta come in and talk to me a second. I said, well, you’re too busy. He said, no, no, he says, we’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq. This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, we’re going to war with Iraq? Why? He said, I don’t know. He said, I guess they don’t know what else to do. So I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda? He said, no, no. He says, there’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq. He said, I guess it’s like, we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments. And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail. So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, are we still going to war with Iraq? And he said, oh, it’s worse than that. He reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper, he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office, today. And he said, this is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran. I said, is it classified? He said, yes, sir. I said, well, don’t show it to me. And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, you remember that? He said, sorry I didn’t show you that memo. I didn’t show it to you. I’m sorry, what did you say his name was? I’m not going to give you his name. So go through the countries again. Well, starting with Iraq, then Syria and Lebanon, then Libya, then Somalia and Sudan, and then back to Iran. So when you look at Iran, you say, is it a replay? It’s not exactly a replay. But here’s the truth, that Iran from the beginning has seen that the presence of the United States in Iraq was a threat— a blessing, because we took out Saddam Hussein and the Ba’athists. They couldn’t handle them. We took care of it for them. But also a threat, because they knew that they were next on the hit list. And so, of course, they got engaged. They lost a million people during the war with Iraq. And they’ve got a long and unprotectable, unsecurable border. So it was in their vital interest to be deeply involved inside Iraq. They tolerated our attacks on the Ba’athists. They were happy we captured Saddam Hussein. But they’re building up their own network of influence. And to cement it, they occasionally give some military assistance and training and advice, either directly or indirectly, to both the insurgents and the militias. And in that sense, it’s not exactly parallel because there are 3 things I want to point out about this video. Okay, number one is, they’ve already achieved 6 of the 7 countries. Okay, right. They’ve destroyed Libya, Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan. Yeah, and the last country is Iran. Okay, so if we think that this war was completely accidental, how do we explain this video? Right. Okay, that’s the first point I will make. Second point I will make is this aligns with the Clean Break memo of 1996. Right. So, he’s like, you know, where did this come from? We don’t know. Well, it comes from the Clean Break memo. So this is something that goes back for a long time. Okay, that’s number 2. Number 3 is, people don’t appreciate this, but he should not be allowed to say these things because this is confidential information. This is a state secret. Yeah, the guy went to the Pentagon and he’s a U.S. general, so they will tell him the truth. But now he’s saying it in public, so why would they want us to know this. Also, he’s saying this to Amy Goodman. Do you know who Amy Goodman is?
DANNY JONES: (03:09:15 – 03:09:18) I’m not familiar. I mean, I’m familiar with who she is, but I don’t know her background.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:09:18 – 03:10:06) She is one of the most prominent left-wing voices in American media. She is extremely anti-war and anti-empire. So why would he pick this? Why would he pick Amy Goodman to be the person to receive this news and not someone like Sean Hannity or Fox News, who would be more sympathetic towards war against Iraq. Okay, so it seems kind of planned to me. It’s, it’s, it’s— again, he is a U.S. general who has received confidential information from a source within the Pentagon, and it would be considered, you know, so you think he’s letting out this secret plan to invade all these countries to the public intentionally. Yes.
Predictive Programming, Election Theories, and the Butler Assassination Attempt
DANNY JONES: (03:10:07 – 03:10:16) To sow distrust in the United States, the American Empire, or to prepare the public for what’s about to happen. To prepare the public.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:10:16 – 03:10:40) Yeah, it’s called predictive programming. You know, like if you tell people what’s about to happen, they are less likely to be angry about it. So for example, you know how Donald Trump has been joking about 2028, right? He’s got this baseball cap saying, you know, like, Trump 2028 everywhere. And then during the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, he’s like, hey, I’ve got a scoop for you guys. I’m gonna run for a third term. And it’s meant as a joke, but was it?
DANNY JONES: (03:10:40 – 03:10:43) So Kurt Metzger told me you had a theory.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:10:44 – 03:10:44) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:10:44 – 03:11:01) On the Venezuela operation. That’s right. And how this all ties into Trump getting another term. He’s gonna— can you explain that? You’re saying that when Maduro goes into his trial, Trump’s gonna get him to testify that they stole the election, something like that.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:11:02 – 03:11:16) Yeah. So, what Trump is obsessed about, okay, more than anything else in the world is the 2020 election and how it was stolen from him, right? Okay. He talks about this all the time. The Butler assassination attempt, he never talks about it. Okay.
DANNY JONES: (03:11:16 – 03:11:17) That’s also very weird.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:11:18 – 03:11:23) If someone tried to kill you, yeah, and you survived, you’d talk about it every single day. He never talks about it.
DANNY JONES: (03:11:24 – 03:11:24) Do you have a theory on that?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:11:25 – 03:12:08) Um, well, we can come back to it. Yeah, we’ll come back to it. Okay, but like, not only does he not talk about it, no one talks about it. No one in his administration talks about how they tried to kill him, right? But he talks about the 2020 election all the time. Yeah, how it was stolen from him. He’s obsessed about it. He has his entire administration working overtime to uncover how they stole it. Remember Tulsi Gabbard, before she left the DNI, her job was basically to figure out how they stole elections, right? Right. And the theory is, the Smartmatic machines. Yes, right, the polling machines. Yeah, the Smartmatic machines.
DANNY JONES: (03:12:08 – 03:12:08) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:12:09 – 03:12:29) So, I think that Maduro is a CIA asset because otherwise it’s very hard to explain how this operation went so smoothly and how, after Maduro left, the Venezuelan government has been so cooperative. Did you know that Maduro is still the president of Venezuela?
DANNY JONES: (03:12:29 – 03:12:30) I did not know that.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:12:30 – 03:12:34) He’s still the president of Venezuela. There’s been no change in leadership.
DANNY JONES: (03:12:35 – 03:12:36) He’s running it from New York.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:12:37 – 03:13:06) It’s really weird. He’s still technically the president of Venezuela, even though he is in prison in New York. So I think there’s a secret deal between Maduro and Trump, and, Maduro is going to testify that the Smartmatic machines are rigged, and the Democrats basically were able to use the Smartmatic machines to steal the 2020 election.
DANNY JONES: (03:13:07 – 03:13:13) And he’s going to use that as an excuse to get another— he’s building a case.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:13:13 – 03:13:42) Yeah, right. Because honestly, if you are the American public, you have to believe something weird happened during the 2020 election, right? Because Trump won on election night, and then 2 weeks later you have all these mail-in ballots come into the mailbox and it overturned it. Now, I want to show you a video. Okay?
DANNY JONES: (03:13:42 – 03:13:42) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:13:42 – 03:13:49) So, can you find Bernie Sanders, Jimmy Kimmel, the blue tide?
DANNY JONES: (03:13:50 – 03:13:51) Blue tide.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:13:51 – 03:13:52) Yes. All right.
DANNY JONES: (03:13:52 – 03:13:53) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:13:53 – 03:14:11) And this happened before the election in November 2020. No, Jimmy Kimmel, blue tide. No, Jimmy Kimmel. Should be a short, maybe. Yeah, it’s a short video, but basically—
DANNY JONES: (03:14:12 – 03:14:15) What does blue tide mean? So the—
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:14:16 – 03:14:18) No, so the blue tide—
DANNY JONES: (03:14:18 – 03:14:20) What is the context of it? Like, what is said?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:14:20 – 03:14:24) So what Bernie Sanders told Jimmy Kimmel—
DANNY JONES: (03:14:24 – 03:14:26) Was he suspended over this?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:14:28 – 03:14:31) Oh, black tide. No, blue tide. Okay, the blue tide.
DANNY JONES: (03:14:32 – 03:14:33) Black Tide is a metal band.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:14:33 – 03:14:36) Okay, okay, okay.
DANNY JONES: (03:14:37 – 03:14:38) Explain what happened.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:14:38 – 03:15:27) Okay, so what happened was this, okay? Before the election, Bernie Sanders appeared on Jimmy Kimmel, and said, listen, I’m gonna tell you what’s gonna happen on election night. On election night, it will seem as though Trump had won. Do not worry, okay? Because what’s gonna happen is there are all these millions of these mail-in ballots that are going to come in over the next 2 weeks in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, and they are the blue tide, and they will overturn the election and let Biden win. So guys, on election night, do not freak out. Do not riot. Do not worry. We’ve got this. This is before the November 2020 election. This is Bernie Sanders appearing on Jimmy Kimmel saying this.
DANNY JONES: (03:15:28 – 03:15:28) Wow.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:15:30 – 03:15:38) And like, you’re like, how would he know this was gonna happen? Because that’s exactly what happened. That’s exactly what happened.
DANNY JONES: (03:15:39 – 03:15:46) Can you find that? Him talking about mail-in ballots? Bernie Sanders talking about mail-in ballots before the 2020 election on Jimmy Kimmel?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:15:47 – 03:15:52) I believe it was Jimmy Kimmel, but it might have been Jimmy Fallon. I think it was Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:15:52 – 03:15:52) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:15:52 – 03:15:53) Yeah, it’s on YouTube.
DANNY JONES: (03:15:54 – 03:15:57) Yeah. Why would he come out and admit that on a huge—
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:15:58 – 03:15:59) this is before the election—
DANNY JONES: (03:15:59 – 03:16:00) talk show like that, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:16:00 – 03:16:21) Yeah, this is before the election, right? How did he know? Did you know that $6 billion was spent on that election? $6 billion between both parties? No, no, just by the Democrats. By the Democrats against Trump. $6 billion was spent to defeat Trump on that election. That’s insane.
DANNY JONES: (03:16:21 – 03:16:22) That’s totally crazy.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:16:23 – 03:16:33) So it’s weird. I’m not saying that Democrats cheated, but like, I don’t understand how Bernie Sanders was able to come out a few weeks before the general election.
DANNY JONES: (03:16:33 – 03:16:33) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:16:33 – 03:16:37) And make that comment. And that’s exactly what happened. The blue tide.
DANNY JONES: (03:16:38 – 03:16:53) Um, do you think that those— there was anything to those Smartmatic voting machines? Do you think there is any legitimacy to that, that those things were actually used for voter fraud, maybe in other countries, in other South American countries or anything like that?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:16:53 – 03:16:57) So, Glenn Greenwald mentioned this, but he lives in Brazil.
DANNY JONES: (03:16:57 – 03:16:57) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:16:57 – 03:17:39) And he’s saying that every time there’s a national presidential election, they’re able to— and Brazil’s a population of 300 million people, right? But they’re able to tabulate results in a day. They’re able to tell you that night who won. Right. Why does it take a month in the United States to figure out who won? Right, right. United States is the most technologically advanced country in the world. Why does it take a month to figure out who won? Yeah, it’s really strange that way. Okay, so, so what I think is if you just look at the two-party system, there’s a lot of shenanigans in elections, and they do sort of protect the two-party duopoly.
DANNY JONES: (03:17:40 – 03:17:40) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:17:40 – 03:17:53) And that’s why it takes so long to count the votes— to enable cheating. So I think everyone cheats. I think every election there’s a lot of cheating.
DANNY JONES: (03:17:54 – 03:17:54) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:17:54 – 03:17:57) And in 2020, the Democrats cheated better than the Republicans.
DANNY JONES: (03:17:57 – 03:17:58) Yeah. I think that makes sense.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:18:00 – 03:18:00) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:18:00 – 03:18:09) I think that makes a lot of sense. So, so what do you think happened with the Butler assassination attempt? What do you think that was all about? Because there’s so many weird things about that whole thing?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:18:09 – 03:18:15) Okay. Um, so I think when they do these things, it’s a ritual.
DANNY JONES: (03:18:15 – 03:18:16) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:18:16 – 03:18:26) It’s a ceremony of some sort. Okay. Because remember what happened was that the bullet grazed Trump’s right ear and it bled.
DANNY JONES: (03:18:26 – 03:18:27) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:18:27 – 03:18:42) And then when he fell to the ground and the Secret Service was trying to remove him from the podium, he said, no, no, no, no, no, like my shoe on my left foot. There’s no— I need to get my shoe. And they let him get his shoe. That’s really weird, man.
DANNY JONES: (03:18:43 – 03:18:43) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:18:43 – 03:19:23) Like if someone’s shooting at you, get the hell out of there. Like, no, no, I need my shoe. It’s my lucky shoe. That’s [ridiculous]. Right. And they let him do that. Okay. So this is an anomaly. The right ear is bleeding. And the left foot is about a shoe. Okay. So if you go to the Bible, Leviticus, whenever someone is anointed for a special purpose by God, they have a ceremony. The ceremony is you first make a sacrifice to God and you take the blood of that sacrifice and you dab it on your right ear as well as your left foot.
DANNY JONES: (03:19:23 – 03:19:23) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:19:24 – 03:19:43) And that anoints you as the special agent of God. Like the chosen one, basically, right? So I think that’s what happened at Butler. I think it was a staged event in order to anoint Trump for the special mission ahead of him, and he’s doing it.
DANNY JONES: (03:19:45 – 03:20:02) So you think this could have been a plot by one of these extremist religious groups to perform it unbeknownst to Trump and then later convince him that he was anointed by God?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:20:03 – 03:20:03) Okay.
DANNY JONES: (03:20:03 – 03:20:04) Or do you think he was a part of it?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:20:05 – 03:20:10) So, the bullet grazed his ear, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:20:10 – 03:20:10) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:20:11 – 03:20:14) If you talk to any ballistic expert, they were like, that’s impossible, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:20:14 – 03:20:15) But some guy did get shot in the head.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:20:16 – 03:20:24) I’m saying like, how’s it possible for that bullet to just graze it, and then magically the ear is fine a week later, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:20:24 – 03:20:24) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:20:24 – 03:20:36) And you talk to any ballistics expert and they’re like, that’s impossible. That can’t possibly happen. I mean, the ear could get blown off, right? Regardless of how it grazes it. Okay.
DANNY JONES: (03:20:36 – 03:20:36) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:20:36 – 03:20:48) So what people believe is that Trump had a razor in his hand and then he slightly cut his ear so that it bled.
DANNY JONES: (03:20:50 – 03:20:52) Okay, like an old wrestling trick.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:20:53 – 03:20:55) Well, he used to be part of that world, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:20:55 – 03:20:57) He did used to be a part of that world.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:20:57 – 03:21:01) Yeah, right. He had this death match with Vince McMahon.
DANNY JONES: (03:21:01 – 03:21:06) Yep, yep, yep. That’s so bonkers.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:21:06 – 03:21:08) Yeah, if you talk to a lot of people—
DANNY JONES: (03:21:08 – 03:21:14) I hope that’s true. I hope he admits it. I think if he admitted it, his followers would accept it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:21:15 – 03:21:40) But even he never talks about it, right? No, it goes against his person, his character, right? He’s not a shy guy. He’s not humble or, you know, if it really happened, he would have said, God saved me that day. He would say it every single day. He would make everyone say it around him. God saved me that day for a purpose.
DANNY JONES: (03:21:41 – 03:22:04) And I mean, goddamn, it unfortunately, it does track with all of this other crazy stuff that’s happening right now with these religious wars and with the reporting that came out where the leaders of all of those military commands and different factions of the U.S. military came out and said that Trump was anointed by Jesus.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:22:05 – 03:22:07) Yes. This is a religious war. Yes.
DANNY JONES: (03:22:07 – 03:22:09) Yeah, yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:22:10 – 03:22:14) And right now there’s this purge in the Pentagon, right? So if you don’t agree with the war, you’re being purged.
DANNY JONES: (03:22:17 – 03:22:20) Yeah, right, like Joe Kent. Yeah, well, he resigned, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:22:21 – 03:22:25) Right. No, but a lot of generals who are opposed to the war are being purged, right? Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:22:25 – 03:22:30) Dan Caine is still a part of it though, right? Because Dan Caine was one of the guys that originally pushed back on the war.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:22:30 – 03:22:31) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (03:22:31 – 03:22:33) But now he’s got the support. Now that he’s supporting it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:22:33 – 03:22:34) That’s right.
The Rothschilds, Sabbatai Zevi, and Sabbatean Frankism
DANNY JONES: (03:22:34 – 03:23:30) What is your take on— so, okay, we have this sort of Chabad Lubavitch group, these essentially cultists that are influencing all of these billionaires, Zionists like the Adelsons or whatever, that are funding world leaders like Netanyahu and like Trump and everyone else, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:23:30 – 03:23:31) And Putin as well.
DANNY JONES: (03:23:31 – 03:23:32) And Putin as well.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:23:32 – 03:23:37) Yeah, and Zelensky. So, and these crazy— Javier Milei of Argentina.
DANNY JONES: (03:23:37 – 03:24:23) These super powerful billionaires believe— they have these religious beliefs, and for some reason they put so much faith in this cult. I’m just going to call it a cult because it sounds like a cult that they’re willing to do whatever it takes to put these people in power using their money, using their unlimited wealth, essentially. But so in this sort of puzzle, where do the groups like the Rothschilds fit into all this? And the crazy, the huge families of international wealth, global wealth.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:24:23 – 03:24:23) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:24:24 – 03:24:25) How do they fit into all this?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:24:26 – 03:24:26) Okay.
DANNY JONES: (03:24:26 – 03:24:29) And like, people even— I mean, even tangentially, like, people like Epstein.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:24:30 – 03:24:32) I could go into 12 hours on this topic alone.
DANNY JONES: (03:24:32 – 03:24:32) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:24:33 – 03:26:44) Because this goes way back. Okay. It’s— I mean, it makes no sense that this suddenly comes out of nowhere, right? This has been going on for like a long, long time. And it started with a man named Sabbatai Zevi. Okay, so I’ll give you the quick version. Okay, but Sabbatai Zevi— so the year is 1666. Okay, and this is like Anatolia, which is like modern-day Türkiye. Okay, Sabbatai Zevi. Okay, and in the year 1666, he proclaims himself as the Messiah promised to the Jews in the Bible. And a third of the Jewish diaspora at this time in history believe he is the Messiah. Okay, so the question then is, who is this guy? Where did he come from? And why are Jews following this guy around? So let’s go back in time, 1492. 1492, the Spanish expelled the Jews from Spain. Basically, the Spanish give the Jews a choice. Either you convert to the Catholic religion, or you are forced out of Spain. And a lot converted, and a lot moved elsewhere, primarily Turkey, the Ottoman Empire, because the Muslims welcomed Jews, because the Muslims saw the Jews as God’s people. Right? And this created a schism within the Jewish religion because again, the greatest sin you commit as a Jew is to convert to worship false idols. And in their religion, they believe that if you do so, you will be condemned to burn in hell for all of eternity. Okay? That’s what they believe. But Judaism, it’s a religion of blood. So you’re born into the religion. Right. So in other words, a lot of Jews are being forced to believe that their brothers, their uncles, their mothers are burning in hell because they converted.
DANNY JONES: (03:26:45 – 03:26:45) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:26:45 – 03:29:36) And this causes a major crisis of faith within the Jewish religion. Okay. That’s point number 1. Point number 2 is that during this time, wars are breaking out throughout Europe. So Jews are being persecuted and they’re dying in numbers. And at this time, remember, in their religion, at a time of the greatest darkness, God will appear, the Messiah will come. So there’s this messianic fever throughout the Jewish diaspora at this time because there’s so much suffering. So when Sabbatai Zevi proclaims himself the Messiah, Jews are convinced. Okay. And so he becomes the first Messiah in the Jewish religion. Okay. And there’s only one Messiah, okay? But then something strange happens. The Ottoman Sultan hears about this and thinks that Sabbatai Zevi is trying to foment a revolution against him, right? Because the Messiah is supposed to bring the Jews back to Israel, proclaim himself the King of the World, and build the Third Temple. And so the Sultan sees this as a revolution. So he says to Sabbatai Zevi, either the turban or your head. Either you convert to Islam or I will kill you. I will behead you. And Sabbatai Zevi surprises everyone by converting. Okay? And this shocks the Jewish world. But there’s a core group of people around him who understand that is his messianic mission. Okay, so remember Jesus. What was Jesus’ role? Jesus’ role was to come to earth and save us, redeem us from original sin. Right. Okay, and how did he do so? He killed himself. Right? Well, what’s the original sin of the Jews? The original sin of the Jews is conversion. So by converting, Sabbatai Zevi is redeeming the Jews from the original sin. Because if the Messiah converts, that’s telling all Jews that conversion does not matter. So what Sabbatai Zevi believes is, what the clothes you wear, the religion you practice, does not matter. What matters is your heart. So as long as you practice Kabbalah at home, you’re still Jewish because you are Jewish by blood. And if you are a Catholic or a Muslim, it doesn’t matter. Okay, and so this starts something called Sabbateanism. And the Sabbateans believe, first thing, it doesn’t matter what you believe, the faith you practice in public. What matters is what you believe in private. Okay, that’s number one. But number two is they also believe in something called redemption by sin. And redemption by sin is the idea that we’ve been discussing, which is the idea of acceleration.
DANNY JONES: (03:29:37 – 03:29:38) Accelerationism. Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:29:38 – 03:30:02) So yes, we will eventually all be unified with God at the end of time. But if we have true faith, we would accelerate the process. And how do you accelerate the process? By committing as much sin as possible. Because if we lead humanity into darkness, God must come and save us. So you force God’s hand. Right. Does that make sense?
DANNY JONES: (03:30:02 – 03:30:02) It makes sense.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:30:03 – 03:30:16) Okay, all right, so why this happens is Sabbatai Zevi will then be reincarnated in Jacob Frank, and Jacob Frank is also a cultist along the lines of Rabbi Schneerson.
DANNY JONES: (03:30:17 – 03:30:19) Okay, Jacob Frank, Jacob Frank.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:30:19 – 03:31:00) Okay, and the movement is called Sabbatean Frankism. Okay, so if you just bring this up, Sabbatean Frankism. And now what’s really important about Sabbatean Frankism is they encourage conversion and the infiltration of different religious groups. And in the 18th century, Frankism becomes dominant among the European elite. There are a lot of European nobility who become Frankists, okay? The Rothschild family. The Rothschild family.
DANNY JONES: (03:31:00 – 03:31:01) Frankists.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:31:01 – 03:31:09) Yes, Frankism is extremely popular among the elite, European Jewish nobility.
DANNY JONES: (03:31:09 – 03:31:09) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:31:10 – 03:31:27) And remember how Jeffrey Epstein in an email wrote to Ariane de Rothschild and said that there were 3 elite banking families in Europe. They are the Rothschilds, the Epsteins, and the Guttmanns. Yes, they were all Sephardic Frankists.
DANNY JONES: (03:31:30 – 03:31:30) Interesting.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:31:31 – 03:31:49) Okay, and who was the American Sephardic Frankist? His name was Louis Brandeis. Louis Brandeis was a Sephardic Frankist. You can Google this. Louis Brandeis Frankism.
DANNY JONES: (03:31:49 – 03:31:49) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:31:50 – 03:32:11) He was the most prominent believer in Sabbatean Frankism in America. He was also the most ardent Zionist in America. He was also the man who sponsored Chabad Lubavitch coming to America. So you see how all this fits in together. Now, in their religion, and again, this is not Judaism, by the way.
DANNY JONES: (03:32:11 – 03:32:11) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:32:12 – 03:32:42) This is a heretical cult within Judaism that actually looks down upon all Jews. Okay, they think that Jews are just morons and idiots. Okay, so this is a radical sect. Now the thing about them is they believe in reincarnation, so the Messiah can never die. The Messiah can just reincarnate. So Sabbatai Zevi, when he died, he reincarnated as Jacob Frank. When Jacob Frank died, who did he reincarnate as? Rabbi Schneerson.
DANNY JONES: (03:32:44 – 03:32:45) People believe this?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:32:46 – 03:33:17) Unfortunately, people do believe this, that Jacob Frank reincarnated as Rabbi Schneerson. That is a great secret of Chabad Lubavitch. Yes. No one is allowed to talk about it. But I make this assumption based on game theory. Because remember, Jacob Frank, he died a very wealthy man. He died with a lot of European nobility being his followers. Okay. Yeah. Do you know what’s really interesting that Candace Owens talked about?
DANNY JONES: (03:33:17 – 03:33:21) What’d she talk about? With that on her podcast or with that debate?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:33:21 – 03:33:56) On her podcast. Okay. Okay. Frankism gave birth to Sigmund Freud. Sigmund Freud is [alleged to be] an agent of Sabbatean Frankism. Okay. So let me tell you a story. Something that some Sabbateans practiced is ritual incest. Okay? Because ritual incest is a form of bonding. Okay? Because in their religion, to sin is to show faith in God. Because to sin is to break the laws of man because you have true faith in God. Right?
DANNY JONES: (03:33:56 – 03:33:59) To break the laws of man because you have true faith in God?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:33:59 – 03:34:21) Right. Okay. So for example, you’re not allowed to steal. Well, why are you not allowed to steal? You’re not allowed to masturbate in public. Why are you not allowed to masturbate in public? Does God care if you masturbate in public? No, God doesn’t care if you masturbate in public, but your neighbors do.
DANNY JONES: (03:34:21 – 03:34:21) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:34:21 – 03:34:54) Right? So if you masturbate in public, what you’re doing is you’re defying the laws of men to show your true faith in God, because you know in your heart that God loves you and God gives you free will and God has empowered you, right? So Jacob Frank has a very famous saying. He has the power to lift something that 10,000 men cannot lift. And if he teaches you that power, you’ll be able to lift this thing like a feather.
DANNY JONES: (03:34:54 – 03:34:54) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:34:55 – 03:35:09) So what is it that 10,000 men cannot lift, but you can lift? And the answer is taboo, right? Social taboo is something that most men cannot break, but you can because you have true faith in God.
DANNY JONES: (03:35:10 – 03:35:12) Is this something he said specifically about taboo?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:35:12 – 03:35:28) Yes. Yes. He says that all sin, all religion, is made up by men. It is not the true word of God. Only you know the true word of God, and the true word of God is he wants you to enjoy life.
DANNY JONES: (03:35:29 – 03:35:31) Do you think this is something that Jeffrey Epstein subscribed to?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:35:32 – 03:35:49) Jeffrey Epstein was an Epstein, right? He wrote that email to Ariane de Rothschild, right? There are three families in Europe that control finance: the Rothschilds, the Epsteins, and the Guttmanns. Right? Why was Jeffrey Epstein given so much power? Where did this guy come from, right? Right.
DANNY JONES: (03:35:49 – 03:35:51) It doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t make sense.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:35:51 – 03:36:13) He was— so Jeffrey Epstein, okay, there are so many strange things about Jeffrey Epstein, but the strangest is in the year 1991, Leslie Wexner, a billionaire, founder of Victoria’s Secret, he signed over power of attorney, right, to Jeffrey Epstein in 1991. Who would you sign power of attorney over to in your life? Who? You?
DANNY JONES: (03:36:13 – 03:36:15) My wife. That’s all.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:36:15 – 03:36:15) That’s all.
DANNY JONES: (03:36:15 – 03:36:18) I mean, there’s no one else I would do it, right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:36:18 – 03:36:22) Or someone you love and trust, right? Exactly. Because that person has literally the power of life and death over you.
DANNY JONES: (03:36:22 – 03:36:23) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:36:23 – 03:36:29) So why would Leslie Wexner sign over power of attorney to a guy he doesn’t really know, right? Epstein, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:36:29 – 03:36:32) Good question.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:36:32 – 03:36:33) Right, right.
DANNY JONES: (03:36:33 – 03:36:37) And why would he be chosen to go to the Trilateral Commission?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:36:37 – 03:36:38) At age 30?
DANNY JONES: (03:36:38 – 03:36:38) Yeah, at age 30.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:36:38 – 03:37:47) Yeah, yeah. No, he had an interview with Steve Bannon, where Jeffrey Epstein said to Steve Bannon, at age 30, I was selected to be on the Trilateral Commission by David Rockefeller. David Rockefeller himself approached me and says, you’re a financial genius, I need you to be on the Trilateral Commission. So if you look at his life, okay, so his first job was at the Dalton School. He was hired by Donald Barr, who was William Barr’s father. Then after the Dalton School, he goes to work for Bear Stearns. After Bear Stearns, he works for Douglas Leese, who is one of the major arms traffickers in the world. And, so people are like, well, he just fell from job to job, right? But you can look at it as he’s being mentored by the most powerful people in the world. The Dalton School is old money. It’s where the most powerful families send their kids, right? So you’re learning how to interact with powerful [people]. Then you go to Bear Stearns to learn how the financial world works. Then you go do arms trafficking to learn how the criminal underworld works, right? So he’s being mentored, he’s being trained to be almost a special agent, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:37:49 – 03:38:14) Yeah, it does. It seems like, also one of the things that I just can’t ignore is what you were saying about Rabbi Schneerson wearing that Saturn— yeah, the Cube of Saturn on his head. Yeah, and Saturn being the god that ate its children. Yeah, and all the Epstein stuff with him allegedly eating human flesh and disappearing children and all that taboo stuff. Yeah, that’s very—
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:38:15 – 03:38:19) a lot of this ties back to Sabbatean Frankism. Yeah, yeah, because they practice—
DANNY JONES: (03:38:19 – 03:38:20) I see the connections.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:38:20 – 03:39:23) They practice ritual incest, like they practice redemption through sin. Like, how do you show your true faith in God? By sinning. Okay. But you can’t sin by yourself because it’s too hard. So you sin as a group. Right. So Jacob Frank and his followers, they convert to the Catholic religion. And on the day they convert, what happens is he organizes a group orgy. Okay. And again, this is online. This is something that is [claimed] about the Sabbatean Frankists. And so it’s a group orgy. And it’s inside a mansion. And the group orgy is almost a blood oath, meaning, even though we convert and even though we will go to different parts of the world, we are now bound by this blood oath through this group sex, through this group orgy. But not only that, but our descendants will also engage in this sort of activity to renew this blood oath. Did you ever watch Eyes Wide Shut?
DANNY JONES: (03:39:24 – 03:39:25) Yeah, it’s been a while, but yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:39:27 – 03:39:30) Yeah, why would they organize these parties? Right.
DANNY JONES: (03:39:31 – 03:39:33) To get blackmail on people and to build bonds with people?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:39:33 – 03:39:38) No, I don’t think it’s blackmail. I do not think it’s blackmail. I think it is social bonding.
DANNY JONES: (03:39:38 – 03:39:38) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:39:39 – 03:39:44) I think it’s just the elite having a frat party, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:39:45 – 03:39:45) Right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:39:45 – 03:39:49) Like, that’s what I think Epstein Island was. It was a big frat party.
DANNY JONES: (03:39:53 – 03:40:26) Yeah, it certainly seems like something really weird was going on. And, you know, I’m always racking my brain over why the government lets out things that it does. Not only this interview you just showed of this general explaining the 7 countries it wants to invade in 5 years, to a group of people who would be very against that and want to expose something like that, but also the government releasing these Epstein files with all this crazy shit in it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:40:27 – 03:40:27) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:40:27 – 03:40:39) And doing absolutely nothing about it and giving no analysis of what it is and sort of just leaving it to the internet to battle out, have a battle of ideas.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:40:39 – 03:41:23) So there’s one connection that people don’t really talk about, okay? It’s a connection between Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, okay? So Robert Maxwell was a very known, yeah, triple agent. He was working for MI6, the KGB, and Mossad, and this is pretty well documented. Yeah, okay. And he was basically Epstein before Epstein, because he was trying to create as much influence as possible through his publishing company. Yeah, so he was publishing textbooks, as well as academic journals, right? Because remember, Epstein invited these scientists to his island, like Steven Pinker, Marvin Minsky, Noam Chomsky. And also Epstein was donating a lot of money to scientific research and to universities as well.
DANNY JONES: (03:41:24 – 03:41:24) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:41:24 – 03:42:04) So the connection is that— Robert Maxwell’s daughter, Ghislaine Maxwell, the favorite daughter of Robert Maxwell, she starts to date Jeffrey Epstein, right? Also, there’s about $600 million in a pension fund associated with one of Robert Maxwell’s companies that goes missing. Yeah. And people speculate that that money went to finance and start Epstein’s influence career, right? Okay, so another way of saying this is, Epstein is a new Robert Maxwell. And he is this transnational agent of Zionist influence.
DANNY JONES: (03:42:06 – 03:42:40) Yeah, that tracks. Yeah, there was that famous, or, you know, that very well-documented case of the butler or housekeeper at his house in Manhattan, where he was interviewed, I think, by Tara Palmieri during her podcast on the Epstein stuff, and he said like in the ’80s Epstein was always very rich, millions of dollars, and then in the early ’90s he just became— he went from millions to billions. Yeah, something crazy happened. And that tracks right when Robert Maxwell—
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:42:40 – 03:42:47) that’s right, the moment that Robert Maxwell died in 1991, Ghislaine Maxwell starts to date Jeffrey Epstein, and Jeffrey Epstein starts to come out of nowhere.
DANNY JONES: (03:42:47 – 03:42:53) Yeah, one of the other crazy things to me is how Epstein was super into—
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:42:53 – 03:42:59) sorry, sorry, 1991 is also the year that Leslie Wexner signs over power of attorney to Jeffrey Epstein.
DANNY JONES: (03:42:59 – 03:42:59) The same year?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:43:00 – 03:43:01) The same year. Yeah, you want to Google this?
DANNY JONES: (03:43:01 – 03:43:13) No, I believe you. I’ve heard this before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Leslie Wexner connection is very weird. And it’s also like the interviews too, like the depositions that were done where they interviewed Wexner.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:43:13 – 03:43:13) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:43:14 – 03:43:28) And they also interviewed Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, right, about the Epstein stuff. And neither of the interviewers asked them about the Rothschilds. Yeah, but they volunteered the Rothschilds during the questioning.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:43:29 – 03:43:35) That’s weird. But, also, remember during the deposition when this congressman flew into Leslie Wexner’s mansion?
DANNY JONES: (03:43:35 – 03:43:35) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:43:36 – 03:43:49) Leslie Wexner had a lawyer beside him, and the lawyer whispered, loudly into Leslie Wexner’s ear, saying, if you answer this, I will kill you. Mm-hmm. It’s like, wait a minute here, who’s working for who, man?
DANNY JONES: (03:43:49 – 03:43:52) Right? There’s just too much weirdness around it.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:43:52 – 03:43:53) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:43:55 – 03:44:18) And it’s like I was getting at earlier, it’s almost like they’re deliberately letting out, putting on this performative show with the media and dripping out all of this crazy evidence with no conclusion, like almost provoking the public to come up with all these insane theories and argue about it online.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:44:18 – 03:44:21) Yeah, it’s called karmic responsibility. Have you heard the term?
DANNY JONES: (03:44:21 – 03:44:22) What responsibility?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:44:22 – 03:44:23) Karmic responsibility.
DANNY JONES: (03:44:23 – 03:44:24) I have not heard that, no.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:44:24 – 03:44:33) Okay, maybe Steve, you can Google the term karmic responsibility. Okay, so this is a theory, okay?
DANNY JONES: (03:44:34 – 03:44:47) And the idea is— karmic responsibility, the spiritual principle that you are accountable for your own thoughts, intentions, and actions, and for the energy you bring into the world. Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:44:47 – 03:44:51) Yeah. So the idea is the elite are superstitious. That’s why they do this stuff.
DANNY JONES: (03:44:51 – 03:44:52) Yeah, right.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:44:53 – 03:45:29) And so, they believe in karma, and the way to reduce your karmic responsibility is by telling the truth to everyone, right? Because let’s just pretend we’re all dead because they blew up the world with nuclear weapons. We’re all in heaven and God’s like, hey man, why are you all here? And we’re like, well, we don’t know, right? Then God would put all the responsibility on the elite for causing nuclear war. But if the elite told us, and we just don’t connect the dots, then it’s our responsibility now, right? The elite’s like, well, we told you, man. Like, look at the evidence before you. Like, look at the videos, man.
DANNY JONES: (03:45:29 – 03:45:30) Yeah, right. Right?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:45:31 – 03:45:34) Like, how much evidence do you guys need to connect the dots, right?
9/11 Coincidences and Flooding the Zone
DANNY JONES: (03:45:36 – 03:45:59) And what did you make in the Epstein files of that— the fact that all of the stuff was redacted between 1999 and 2002, 9/11? And there was that— if you look at, there’s a great chart, I think, that Ian Carroll released on X, where it shows all the emails and the dates of the emails, and there’s just a blank slate for like a year and a half when 9/11— yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:45:59 – 03:46:12) Yeah. So Howard Lutnick and Jeffrey Epstein were neighbors in Manhattan, right? And I think Jeffrey Epstein lived at number eleven, and then nine. Like, that’s kind of weird.
DANNY JONES: (03:46:12 – 03:46:12) That’s insane.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:46:13 – 03:46:19) Yeah. Like all these coincidences, right? And Howard Lutnick didn’t report to work that day. Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:46:19 – 03:46:20) He dropped his kid off at school that day.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:46:21 – 03:46:21) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:46:21 – 03:46:22) First time ever.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:46:22 – 03:46:27) Yeah. And Kenneth Fitzgerald suffered the most casualties that day. Like, it was that floor.
DANNY JONES: (03:46:27 – 03:46:28) His brother died.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:46:28 – 03:46:39) Yeah, his brother died. Larry Silverstein didn’t go to work either. Like the only day he missed work in his entire life. Yeah, there were a lot of weird things. Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:46:39 – 03:46:51) Yeah. Again, just leaving us to speculate about the craziest shit. You know, it’s almost like if I’m the government, what’s going to happen if I leave out all the emails from between those years? We know people online are going to come up with all kinds of crazy theories.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:46:51 – 03:46:51) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:46:52 – 03:47:01) And maybe this is just some sort of, you know, flood the zone tactic just to divert attention away from what this hand is doing over here. Oh, let’s— by the way, let’s drop all this UFO stuff.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:47:02 – 03:47:02) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:47:02 – 03:47:08) Which, you know, it’s just too much. It becomes overwhelming for people to track.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:47:08 – 03:47:30) But I also think that if you— they want to make it obvious to people, because if you just look at the JFK assassination, 9/11, the Charlie Kirk [assassination]. It’s also obvious if you just look at it with an open mind. But so many of us are, you know, cognitive dissonance. We absolutely refuse to believe there are people like this in the world doing this sort of thing.
DANNY JONES: (03:47:31 – 03:47:31) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:47:31 – 03:47:32) So we just block it out.
DANNY JONES: (03:47:33 – 03:47:46) Yeah, it is interesting. Like, why? Yeah, there’s— it’s like a groupthink, right? Where you’re in this one group who automatically assumes that conspiracies are for dumb people.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:47:46 – 03:47:46) Yep.
DANNY JONES: (03:47:47 – 03:48:20) And this level of secret societies or intelligence people, spooky people that do illegal things for the U.S. government, that’s not real. That’s just crazy people connecting dots. And then you have this other group of people who think everything’s a conspiracy and every dot connects to everything. Everything is, you know, everything is the Jews or whatever. And it’s like the truth is actually very much in the middle of all this stuff, but it doesn’t matter because you’ve created this diversion, because you’ve created these 2 isolated groups that are constantly fighting against each other and just creating all this noise and the signal gets lost in all the noise.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:48:20 – 03:48:21) Exactly.
DANNY JONES: (03:48:23 – 03:48:39) And that’s my frustration with all of it. And, I don’t know. I don’t know what the answer is. I’m very concerned about the future of freedom of speech online.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:48:39 – 03:48:39) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:48:39 – 03:48:55) Especially like YouTube and podcasts. I think— like the fact that you can come on this podcast right now and say all this shit is kind of bonkers considering where we were. I don’t know if you saw it in 2020, but here, the internet was extremely censored and clamped down.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:48:55 – 03:48:56) COVID.
DANNY JONES: (03:48:56 – 03:49:16) Yeah, because of COVID. And you know, it doesn’t matter if you talked about any sort of medical advice or whatever that deviated from what the government was saying, you would most likely get your accounts taken away. People would lose their livelihoods. Yeah, I think it was terrifying.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:49:16 – 03:49:17) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:49:17 – 03:49:25) And it seems like that pendulum has swung all the way to the other side right now. It’s almost like the Wild West. You can get away with anything right now.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:49:25 – 03:49:36) You know, YouTube has these new rules, right, starting next week. They will count any click as a view.
DANNY JONES: (03:49:36 – 03:49:36) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:49:37 – 03:49:38) Like, you know about this, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:49:38 – 03:49:48) Yeah, that’s how it used to be, where if you click on a video, click play, that counted as a view. Then it changed to where they had to watch maybe like the first 30 seconds of it and that would count as a view.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:49:48 – 03:49:49) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:49:49 – 03:49:52) Now they’re doing it going back to where every click counts as a view.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:49:52 – 03:49:56) Well, I mean, the difference is now you have bots and AI, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:49:56 – 03:49:56) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:49:56 – 03:50:13) So now, if you were to do this, these bot accounts could just dominate YouTube. They would have much more influence over public opinion because before, how could you determine whether a video was worth watching or not? Just the view counts, right?
DANNY JONES: (03:50:14 – 03:50:26) Yes, but Google and YouTube are very good at tracking that kind of stuff. If you flood fake bot accounts to a YouTube video, YouTube can figure that out very quickly. Okay, and they automatically will take you out of the algorithm.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:50:26 – 03:50:37) Okay. Okay. Well, I just think now they’re just gonna inflate the statistics. So now it’s gonna be very hard for people to filter what’s—
DANNY JONES: (03:50:37 – 03:50:48) yeah, but here’s the thing though, like YouTube— here’s the crazy thing about companies like YouTube is they can change stuff behind the scenes and they don’t have to announce it publicly.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:50:49 – 03:50:49) Yeah, that’s right.
DANNY JONES: (03:50:50 – 03:50:58) They can make little changes and they tell you generally how the algorithm works. Like people have to watch it for this long. It’ll show up as long as they’re subscribed or whatever.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:50:58 – 03:50:58) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:50:58 – 03:51:05) But they have the ability to turn you up or turn you down without ever telling you.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:51:05 – 03:51:06) That’s right.
DANNY JONES: (03:51:06 – 03:51:07) And this happens to people all the time.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:51:07 – 03:51:08) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:51:08 – 03:51:17) So, why would they make this a public statement? Maybe they explained it in their press release about this.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:51:18 – 03:51:18) This.
DANNY JONES: (03:51:18 – 03:52:07) But yeah, it’s very strange because they can manipulate the amount of reach any video gets and they never have to let you know. That’s right. And like I was saying, I’m very concerned about how this pendulum— is it going to swing back to something that we’re not prepared for, you know? Is this some sort of test to see how people act during these years, during all this stuff, to see what people are saying with the crazy emergence of AI being implemented into all these platforms and being able to track what did Jiang say?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:52:08 – 03:52:09) Yeah, I think so.
DANNY JONES: (03:52:09 – 03:52:10) Throughout the last 5 years.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:52:10 – 03:52:10) I think so.
DANNY JONES: (03:52:10 – 03:52:21) Now that AI is taking over, we’re gonna be able to figure out, put people in boxes and control things even more. But right now we want to make it the Wild West, right? That’s right. To see who people really are.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:52:21 – 03:52:39) Yeah. And this is a very, you know, this is a pattern that repeats itself throughout history. So during the 1950s, in 1957, Chairman Mao Zedong launched something called the Let a Hundred Flowers Bloom campaign. And basically, he was trying to encourage people to speak up against the government, against society.
DANNY JONES: (03:52:40 – 03:52:40) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:52:40 – 03:53:17) And then after a few months, these people were tracked down and they were arrested and labeled as anti-government revolutionary rightists, right? So it’s very— I think it’s very possible that this will happen soon because nowadays with the algorithm, it’s very easy to track people and to categorize people. You know, that’s what Palantir does, right? So I think it’s very possible. I think they’re letting us speak because they want to know how much traction these views get and who is actually commenting, liking this video.
DANNY JONES: (03:53:17 – 03:54:10) Right, right. And one of the wild— one of the platforms that took all of the brakes off was X. X is like, you can do completely wild stuff right now on X. Anyone can get away with anything. And Elon’s controlling it with Grok. The accounts that I’m following, the shit that I see, and the crazy powerful people— there’s these accounts that showed these quotes like that this guy, this leader of this country, said this horrific thing. Grok, can you confirm it? And Grok’s like, yeah, he said this. It’s just insane to me with Elon and the power that he has and that he’s not spoken out at all about any of this stuff that Trump’s gone back on with the war. He hasn’t said anything about the Gaza stuff.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:54:11 – 03:54:16) Well, he did, and then he had to go visit the wall, right? And Auschwitz.
DANNY JONES: (03:54:16 – 03:54:18) Right. Yeah, he did do that.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:54:18 – 03:54:18) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:54:18 – 03:54:29) But it’s like he just constantly talks about the border, immigration, and all this stuff, ICE, but he won’t say anything. He won’t even touch this topic, which is very odd to me.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:54:29 – 03:54:30) Yeah.
Closing Thoughts: Predictions for the Next Five Years
DANNY JONES: (03:54:33 – 03:54:36) Um, anything else that we missed that we should cover?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:54:37 – 03:54:38) We covered a lot, man.
DANNY JONES: (03:54:38 – 03:54:39) We did cover a lot, man.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:54:39 – 03:54:39) Yeah, yeah, yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:54:40 – 03:54:41) We’re like 4 hours in right now.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:54:41 – 03:54:43) Okay. Right.
DANNY JONES: (03:54:44 – 03:54:44) You getting tired?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:54:45 – 03:54:50) Yeah, yeah. It’s, yeah, it’s probably my longest podcast so far.
DANNY JONES: (03:54:50 – 03:54:50) Longest one?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:54:51 – 03:55:03) Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we covered a lot. That Chabad Lubavitch material was pretty tiring, actually, just thinking like these people are in charge and, you know.
DANNY JONES: (03:55:04 – 03:55:14) Yeah, it really blows my mind how it all comes back, how you described how the Chabad thing connected to all the wars.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:55:15 – 03:55:15) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:55:15 – 03:55:19) And it all kind of comes back to that whole end times eschatology.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:55:19 – 03:55:22) Yeah. It’s pretty scary.
DANNY JONES: (03:55:22 – 03:55:34) It is terrifying. So, so how do you think this plays out in like the short term, like the next 5 years? What do you predict happens? What do you think happens with like the US economy, the global economy?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:55:35 – 03:56:02) Yeah, I think we’re in for a rough 10 years. I think the global economy collapses. I think the US economy collapses. I think the midterms will not turn out the way people expect. There are a lot of Democrats who think the midterms will mark a turning point, and maybe, you know, when Democrats come into power in the House, they will start to limit Trump’s war powers and they will impeach him. I don’t think that—
DANNY JONES: (03:56:02 – 03:56:04) I don’t think it seems like they want the war just as much as he does.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:56:04 – 03:56:42) Exactly, because they’re not really doing anything to stop him, right? And so the theory is they want this war, but they don’t want to be on the public record supporting this war because that’s what happened in 2003, right? And a lot were punished for supporting the war, right, in 2003. So they don’t want to vote, you know, they don’t want to force a vote and have a public record saying who supported this war and who was against this war. And so they’re probably happy to abdicate the responsibility and just let Trump continue this war. Yeah, because, at the end of the day, Chabad Lubavitch is able to control all levers of Washington, D.C., right? Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:56:42 – 03:56:47) The elections— I don’t know if you saw, but there were these elections in Florida last night.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:56:47 – 03:56:47) Yeah, yeah, yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:56:48 – 03:56:52) And Dan Bilzerian was actually running, and he was— who was he tied with? Was it Randy Fine?
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:56:53 – 03:56:54) Well, he was running against Randy Fine.
DANNY JONES: (03:56:54 – 03:57:07) Yeah, running against Randy Fine. And it looks like they were close to being tied, and last minute Randy Fine got like all these extra votes. Yeah, from somewhere. And people are speculating that it was stolen or something.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:57:09 – 03:57:12) Um, yeah, yeah, I mean, it tracks.
DANNY JONES: (03:57:12 – 03:57:21) It’s crazy just how much Israeli influence is in the United States, you know, especially with DeSantis and all the crazy laws that they’ve been implementing.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:57:21 – 03:57:54) I also think Trump will run in 2028, and there’ll be a lot of cheating in 2028. So I think they’re just going to test out a lot of systems during the midterms. So I think if Trump gets a third term, this would be crossing the Rubicon, I think this would be a breaking point in the United States. And really, because, if Trump were to get a third term, then I think you would have a lot of violence in the United States. I think you would have these Democratic cities— New York City, California, Boston, Chicago— who might be in open rebellion against Trump.
DANNY JONES: (03:57:54 – 03:58:05) Well, I don’t think it will just be Democrats. I think everyone will rebel against him. I don’t think most of the Republican base is stoked on Trump either. Yeah, I mean, he’s lost some of his biggest supporters.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:58:05 – 03:58:26) Yeah, I mean, I was talking to some friends and they were like, the apathy in America right now, it is overwhelming. You know, there’s this war going on in the Middle East that no one voted for and which could potentially collapse the global and the American economies, and no one seems to know what’s going on. Yeah, people just blocked it all out.
DANNY JONES: (03:58:26 – 03:58:26) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:58:27 – 03:58:27) So I’m not sure.
DANNY JONES: (03:58:28 – 03:58:29) It’s like the hyper-normalization.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:58:30 – 03:58:36) Yeah. Yeah. People are just stuck in their little bubbles and they put their head in the sand.
DANNY JONES: (03:58:37 – 03:58:37) Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:58:37 – 03:58:57) And I’m not sure how people will react to a Trump third term. I think most people will be like, we don’t care. And, but I think that the Democratic Party might be in open rebellion against Trump. And this could lead to a lot of street violence, very similar to the George Floyd protests. Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:58:59 – 03:59:00) I hope you’re wrong.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:59:00 – 03:59:12) I hope I’m wrong too. I hope I’m completely wrong about everything we said today. I hope that everything is a complete coincidence and I’m just making this crap up. And I just have, like, I’m just like an active imagination.
DANNY JONES: (03:59:12 – 03:59:13) Yes.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:59:13 – 03:59:19) Yeah. Because, you know, both you and I have children. Yes. And we do not want our children to grow up in this world.
DANNY JONES: (03:59:19 – 03:59:19) No.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:59:20 – 03:59:20) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (03:59:20 – 03:59:21) No, not at all.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:59:21 – 03:59:31) Yeah. But at the same time, I also think it’s important that people be open to the possibility that this is true because, you know, we owe it to ourselves to keep ourselves informed.
DANNY JONES: (03:59:32 – 03:59:43) Yeah. It’s really important to notice these patterns and you do an incredible job of exposing that stuff and making it easy to understand and digest. So, thank you for all your work. Thank you for your time.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:59:43 – 03:59:45) Thanks so much for giving me the time to make my case.
DANNY JONES: (03:59:46 – 03:59:49) Of course, man. Yeah, of course. My pleasure. It’s great to have you here. Yeah.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:59:49 – 03:59:57) And I think I did a great job of undermining the United States by spreading the truth. And you’re now my collaborator.
DANNY JONES: (03:59:57 – 03:59:59) So yes, exactly.
XUEQIN JIANG: (03:59:59 – 04:00:00) So if the feds come knocking, I’m not recruitable.
DANNY JONES: (04:00:01 – 04:00:02) I’m not recruitable.
XUEQIN JIANG: (04:00:02 – 04:00:02) All right.
DANNY JONES: (04:00:02 – 04:00:10) Just, just tell Xi that I better come up with a good extraction plan and better save me from the CIA when they come knocking.
XUEQIN JIANG: (04:00:10 – 04:00:11) Okay.
DANNY JONES: (04:00:11 – 04:00:18) All right, man. Thanks again, man. This was super fun. We’ll just tell people to find your YouTube channel. We’ll link it below. Is there anything else that we should—
XUEQIN JIANG: (04:00:18 – 04:00:18) Substack?
DANNY JONES: (04:00:19 – 04:00:19) Substack?
XUEQIN JIANG: (04:00:19 – 04:00:19) Yeah.
DANNY JONES: (04:00:19 – 04:00:20) Okay.
XUEQIN JIANG: (04:00:20 – 04:00:21) And I’ll say my Substack. Perfect.
DANNY JONES: (04:00:21 – 04:00:23) We’ll link it all below. All right, man. Thanks again.
XUEQIN JIANG: (04:00:23 – 04:00:24) Thanks, Danny.
DANNY JONES: (04:00:24 – 04:00:24) Good night, folks.
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