American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift’s interview on BBC Radio 1 with Greg James on “The Life Of A Showgirl, Eras tour, Travis and… a loaf of bread called Doughphelia”, October 3, 2025.
A Long-Awaited Reunion
GREG JAMES: Taylor…
TAYLOR SWIFT: Buddy.
GREG JAMES: I just, do you know what? I just knew a few weeks ago, I said, I just feel like it’s going to happen again.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah.
GREG JAMES: I just was like, I think she’s going to want to do a chat.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I was like, we got to. We got to call Greg. We got to do something. It’s been too long.
GREG JAMES: It has. And I’m so pleased that you’re up for chatting and just chat. Just we overdo a catch up.
TAYLOR SWIFT: It’s nice. It’s nice. We’ve… Oh, I see what’s happening now. The ASMR of the bread bag.
Doughphelia: Taylor’s Sourdough Gift
GREG JAMES: Would you like to explain?
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah. So I’ve been baking, and so I brought Greg some sourdough because it’s lemon blueberry, which I think is like a really nice variation.
GREG JAMES: Fantastic.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah.
GREG JAMES: And you put the fate of Doughphelia.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah. You know the bread puns. Like, I think the worse they are, the better.
GREG JAMES: Well, do you know what? Obviously, I listened to the New Heights podcast.
TAYLOR SWIFT: You did?
GREG JAMES: Of course I did. Oh, I’m so glad. Are you joking? Of course. So glad. And by the way, bold move to announce an album 90 minutes into a football podcast. Okay.
TAYLOR SWIFT: We are like, they’re like, weird flex, but okay.
The Surprise Album Announcement
GREG JAMES: Yeah, yeah, but not. You talked about everything. And he went, by the way, here’s a briefcase. Here’s the album.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Well, I’m always trying to surprise people with how I announce albums. I’d done a few album announcements on award shows. And so, you know when you do something one time and people are like, I know what she’s going to do next. She’s going to do the same thing she did before.
So I was like, what are people not going to expect me to do? Is to go on a football podcast and announce an album. It’s very… I love the kind of polarity of the masculine feminine there.
GREG JAMES: Well, it’s very funny. Because you are very funny, and you like silly stuff, essentially. And I mean, you did your sourdough chat and then you talked about the hour.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah, I think I talked about bread for, I think maybe three to four hours.
GREG JAMES: Well, longer than about the record.
TAYLOR SWIFT: People were like, okay, if she doesn’t stop talking about sourdough, because it’s like, I’m… it’s a danger for me to start because I cannot stop talking about bread when I start. And it has nothing to do with music. It’s the most musically irrelevant thing. It’s completely separate.
GREG JAMES: But it’s nice.
TAYLOR SWIFT: It’s nice.
GREG JAMES: And I’m so grateful because it’s got lots of cat stickers on it as well, which I really like, you know, in the…
TAYLOR SWIFT: Chosen very carefully for what your sense of humor is in my approximation of it. I’ve known you for as long as I have.
GREG JAMES: You’ve nailed it. You have nailed it. By the way, when you got doing the puns of your songs and bread.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah.
GREG JAMES: You did miss Bake It Off.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Well, that… I just thought it’s too easy.
GREG JAMES: No, but you, like… I mean, Doughphelia is…
TAYLOR SWIFT: But that’s current. That’s current.
GREG JAMES: It’s current. Sorry.
TAYLOR SWIFT: That’s the one thing that makes it relevant to our conversation.
The New Album: Uncomplicated Joy
GREG JAMES: So the album’s out.
TAYLOR SWIFT: The album is out. And I have such uncomplicated feelings of joy about it.
GREG JAMES: Yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I do not feel any twisty, tortured way about it, which is not how I felt about the last album, because there was such a lag time between, you know, when you make music and then you put it out. There’s oftentimes your life can make drastic changes in those times. With this album, my life is in exactly the same spot as when I wrote the record.
GREG JAMES: Yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: As when I wrote the record.
GREG JAMES: I’m so pleased to see you. And I’m so pleased to see you happy as well.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I feel the same way about you.
GREG JAMES: And the album reflects your mood, which is… I think you’re probably feeling quite giddy. I think you’re feeling bright and happy and sweary, which I really like in some of the tracks on the album. It’s just… it’s big, happy pop and you’re clearly… you’re in love. Yeah, you are. It’s kind of gross.
TAYLOR SWIFT: No, it’s not.
GREG JAMES: It’s sickeningly…
TAYLOR SWIFT: It’s not. It’s not.
GREG JAMES: It’s lovely.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I don’t know what you heard. No, it’s not that kind of album.
GREG JAMES: No. No. But it’s… but it’s lovely and bright and happy, but it’s got…
TAYLOR SWIFT: It’s got teeth to it.
GREG JAMES: It absolutely has.
TAYLOR SWIFT: So, like, I’m proud of that too, because it’s a full picture of the full life experience, which for me is like… there’s always some element of drama that someone is forcing into my consciousness, which is fun to write about too.
Writing from a Place of Happiness
GREG JAMES: But by the way, I love being sickeningly in love. It’s so nice.
TAYLOR SWIFT: It’s wonderful. It’s wonderful. You know, it’s like I used to kind of have this dark fear that if I ever were truly happy and free being myself and nurtured by a relationship, what happens if the writing just dries up? What if writing is directly tied to my torment and pain? And it turns out that’s not the case at all. And we just were catching lightning in a bottle with this record.
GREG JAMES: But it’s nice because from a place of happiness and love, you can go back to those places.
You can look forward to other things. And that’s what the record feels like, is that you’re still able to access those feelings of frustration, of anger, of the really good stuff.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah. And you basically… I think, you know, I made this album with Max Martin and Shellback, who I hadn’t worked with in maybe seven or eight years. And in the time that we kind of took a break from working together, we were all out there honing powers of different types.
And one of the things I was really playing with in our time away was writing in character and kind of developing these characters and these character arcs and things, and that is present on this record, even though it’s about my life.
Sometimes you cosplay like, this is a love song through the lens of Elizabeth Taylor’s life. There’s different motifs that I think we’re trying out on this record that are sort of a culmination of me practicing and working up to the point where I could make this kind of album.
Playing the Album for Travis
GREG JAMES: When did you start playing it to people? When did you play it to Travis? To Big Trav? Can I call him Big Trav?
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah, you absolutely can. He responds to pretty much anything.
GREG JAMES: Okay, great.
TAYLOR SWIFT: He’s a really easy… you will absolutely love him when you meet him.
GREG JAMES: Yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: But, yeah, like, I would play it for him as soon as I’d come back from Sweden.
GREG JAMES: Okay.
TAYLOR SWIFT: As soon as I come back from Sweden, I just play it for him. And I knew that this was the kind of album that he was going to love the most. He’s so supportive of all of it, but he’s a real vibes guy.
GREG JAMES: He’s a vibes guy. Well, you described him as an exclamation mark.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah, he is.
GREG JAMES: That’s such a lovely way of describing someone.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you. It’s very accurate.
Greg’s Protective Friend Moment
GREG JAMES: I was going to say to you was that, you know, you and I have known each other for so long, longer than Travis has known you. I feel like I should…
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah, I need to just…
GREG JAMES: I need to just check that because my… the vibes are strong from him. I think he’s a great guy, but I need to check for sure. I just want to play catch with him.
TAYLOR SWIFT: No, he would. He would do.
GREG JAMES: That’s all I want to do.
TAYLOR SWIFT: You’ll love that. All of my guy friends are like, I just want Travis to pick me up and throw me over a roof or throw me in the pool.
GREG JAMES: I could do that. I would love that.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah. Yeah. It’s really… because it’s like, you know, he’s six foot six, but it’s also, you know, the width of the shoulders is also like, seeing him walk through a door is genuinely a privilege.
GREG JAMES: Yeah. Okay. Well, that’s great. I’d like him to maybe just do a wrestling move on me into a pool or something.
TAYLOR SWIFT: The way that he’s going to do that as soon as he sees you at our wedding is like, that’s going to happen. Like, he’s just going to…
GREG JAMES: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Oh, did I…
GREG JAMES: Am I coming? Obviously. Is it a destination wedding?
Setting the Record Straight
TAYLOR SWIFT: People don’t think that we’re actually friends. That was what… remember when you were joking with me at the show about being sweaty and people thought that it was a greatly offensive thing?
GREG JAMES: Yeah. “It’s been absolutely amazing having you in Swansea. We will see you very soon. It’s nice to see you. I think you need to have a shower now.”
TAYLOR SWIFT: “I agree, and I’m not offended that you said that. There’s a lot going on and none of it’s good here.”
GREG JAMES: I do vaguely remember that. Yes. I vaguely remember it because it’s on my TikTok every single day.
TAYLOR SWIFT: It keeps…
GREG JAMES: I thought it might go away.
TAYLOR SWIFT: No. I was going to correct people, but I thought it would make it… people were like, no, that’ll make it worse and he’ll hate that even more.
GREG JAMES: No, I didn’t. I don’t. I didn’t hate. I quite enjoyed being canceled for fun.
TAYLOR SWIFT: It’s the funniest way to be canceled.
GREG JAMES: Right.
TAYLOR SWIFT: For making a joke about me being sweaty after a very sweaty performance.
GREG JAMES: Yeah. But look, you love a bit.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I do.
GREG JAMES: It was a bit.
TAYLOR SWIFT: There’s nothing I love more than a bit. Right.
GREG JAMES: It was a hot day.
TAYLOR SWIFT: It was a…
GREG JAMES: And you’d said it’s…
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah. It’s not…
GREG JAMES: Okay. Once and for all. Okay. By the way, thanks for the invite to the wedding.
TAYLOR SWIFT: You’re so welcome.
GREG JAMES: I don’t normally like a destination wedding, but for you, I would make an exception. Where’s it going to be? Do we know?
TAYLOR SWIFT: I will let you know. I’m going to let you know at a different time.
GREG JAMES: Okay. Not on the radio. Fine. But it’s a yes, please. And thank you. But once and for all, were you upset that I told you to go and take a shower?
TAYLOR SWIFT: No. It was important. And also, I had already arrived there on my own.
GREG JAMES: Yes.
TAYLOR SWIFT: You were just reading my mind, as good friends do. Right. I was not upset. Okay. I was… I actually laughed.
GREG JAMES: Okay.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Do you know what I mean?
GREG JAMES: I know. I knew what you mean. I was…
TAYLOR SWIFT: People don’t need to bubble wrap me in their minds as much as they do.
GREG JAMES: You know what I mean? I was just… I kept watching it. I was like… it was out of context.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I’m a pretty tough broad. And also, that wasn’t even weird.
GREG JAMES: Yeah. Anyway, it’s not like I said you smelt.
TAYLOR SWIFT: No. And you could have. And it would have been funny because you did. Yeah, it was. I was wearing leather.
The Hamlet Connection
GREG JAMES: Okay, right. So Hamlet is who? Or am I reading too much into all of this? And did you reread Hamlet before writing the song?
TAYLOR SWIFT: Didn’t really need to reread it.
GREG JAMES: You kind of get it.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I kind of, I wanted to sprinkle some references in the bridge. So the bridge references kind of some paraphrasing of some lines from Hamlet. So I did do a little brush up. But I just love the idea that you saved me from love driving me mad, because that’s what happened to Ophelia. Spoiler alert.
GREG JAMES: Oh, and it will be a spoiler to some people as well. But that’s the reference of you drowning as well on the front cover and all the rest of it. It’s a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant album.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you. Thank you for appreciating that. The album cover is a reference to the famous Ophelia painting, which then ends up being referenced in the music video, which ends up… There’s more references to this painting. I directed the music video which was so fun to write and direct. And it’s actually debuting in theaters. Yes, it is cinemas, so.
GREG JAMES: Cinemas.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Cinemas.
GREG JAMES: The cinemas. Or as you would say in the old days, the flicks or the pictures?
TAYLOR SWIFT: The picture show.
GREG JAMES: The pictures. The picture show. We have some wonderful radio listeners who are also your fans who just wanted to send a few messages to you. So can I play you these and see?
TAYLOR SWIFT: I would love it.
Messages from Fans
GREG JAMES: See what you make of these. Because when, obviously when people found out you’re on the Breakfast show, they were going.
TAYLOR SWIFT: They had things to say.
GREG JAMES: Yeah, they had things to say.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Fantastic. I could say anything to Taylor. I think I’d be, “How do you do it?”
GREG JAMES: How’d you do it? Simple question. How’d you do it?
TAYLOR SWIFT: That’s a really beautiful question to ask somebody. My God, that’s… First of all, just thank you for the tone of that. Thank you for the lovely way that you asked that. It was very nice.
GREG JAMES: That’s lovely Emma.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Lovely Emma. I mean, I really… I’m very lucky to get to do what I love. I really love making love. The fact that I’m lucky enough for people to care about it enough to me to make these Easter egg, sort of zodiac weird, cryptic hinting that I have started to do with my fans.
The fact that I can do that is because they actually care about lyrics. So we can kind of play and have fun with the way we release music. And so how is the fact that you guys have been nice enough to care about the music at all for me to be able to have this much fun with the way I get to put it out?
GREG JAMES: I really care about the lyrics as well.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you.
Discussing the Lyrics
GREG JAMES: So, I mean, there’s so the lyrics in wood.
TAYLOR SWIFT: A lot of.
GREG JAMES: I can’t… My favorite lyrics I can’t really talk about, but the opening of the thighs. Father figure.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
GREG JAMES: Wow.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah. That was a fun one to write.
GREG JAMES: Yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: And we love a song with a key change.
GREG JAMES: Father Figure was in… What’s the show? Was it Baby Girl? The Nicole Kidman thing. Did you get it from that, did you think?
TAYLOR SWIFT: No, we had written it before.
GREG JAMES: Oh, had you?
TAYLOR SWIFT: We had actually written it before then, but it was kind of… I thought it was kind of fun, a fun coincidence.
GREG JAMES: Yeah, that was great.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Because it’s a very different way of using the idea of a father figure to kind of talk about power, power structures and the flipping of the power dynamics and.
GREG JAMES: Yeah, well, I can’t say… Well, I’m just going to say it. The dick’s bigger bit I loved.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I mean, you got to say the whole line. It’s like, “I can make deals with the devil because, you know, my dick’s bigger.” Yeah, yeah.
GREG JAMES: Those aren’t… I’m paraphrasing.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Pretty proud of.
GREG JAMES: Pretty proud of that line in Ophelia. “Keep it 100.” Just love that. Yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: “Keep it 100. On the land, the sea, the sky.”
GREG JAMES: But that’s you. And that’s you and big Trav. Yeah. 87, 13. Yeah, lovely.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah. Right. 87 plus 13 equals 100. So numerology again.
GREG JAMES: And then in Opalite, we say Opalite or Opalite? Opalite. The… Is it wrong to say weirdly kind of Christmassy? Feels very sparkly, very sparkly and beautiful and Christmassy. Twinkly.
TAYLOR SWIFT: That’s so sweet.
GREG JAMES: I really like that.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah. And it’s positive, which is… We tend to gravitate towards positive Christmas music, don’t we?
GREG JAMES: Yeah. Are you… You’re a Sag, aren’t you?
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yes.
GREG JAMES: Yeah, me too. Is your 13? I’m 17. I’m 17th of December. Yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah.
GREG JAMES: Sheila’s next.
Reflecting on the Eras Tour
TAYLOR SWIFT: Hi, I’m Sheila. And if I could say one thing, too, it would be that I think on the Eras tour every single day. That was unbelievable. Oh, I’m so happy to hear that.
GREG JAMES: Such a nice.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I think about it every day, too.
GREG JAMES: Yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I had so much fun on that tour. It was obviously the most exhausting challenge ever, physically. But, you know, I’ll never forget seeing what I saw. I could see everyone from the stage. You know, I don’t think they know that I have incredible vision.
GREG JAMES: Well, they’ve been done, haven’t they?
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah. I’ve gotten Lasik, and so I can see. I could see miles past.
GREG JAMES: That’s so sweet.
TAYLOR SWIFT: And so it was like I could see their experience and their joy, and that fed me. That fueled me even when I was exhausted and tired.
GREG JAMES: But I bet you don’t… I was going to say, I bet you don’t miss the regime.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I’m so good right now. My joints are good.
GREG JAMES: She’s back baking.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I have hobbies again. I could only do the Eras tour when I was on the Eras tour. And that’s two years of just having no other hobbies.
GREG JAMES: Yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: So now I have the hobbies again, as you can see.
GREG JAMES: Let’s have one from Jason.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Get everyone’s problem.
GREG JAMES: No, this is not a problem. I will be eating this.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Okay, good. It’s pretty… I’m pretty sure it’s going to be really good. It’s Jason. And if I could speak to Taylor, I would say how much she means to me. I was so fortunate enough to go to the Eras tour, which was one of the best moments of my life, and just want to say that I love her so much, and I’m so grateful that she exists, and I’m so happy that she’s releasing new music and making the world a better place. That is the sweetest.
GREG JAMES: Good old Jason.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you, Jason.
GREG JAMES: That’s very sweet.
TAYLOR SWIFT: That’s so lovely. I… You know, the fact that you could ever be a part of something like the Eras tour, for me, it feels like such an honor that the fans made it into what it was, because it was truly astonishing for all of us who were on that tour. We were like, “What is going on?”
GREG JAMES: What.
TAYLOR SWIFT: It turned into something very quickly that we… that exceeded any of our expectations for what the tour could have been. So the fact that it meant something to you like that, it’s just a wonderful walk down memory.
GREG JAMES: Lane and probably one of those things that you can appreciate a bit of it in the moment, but really, you need some distance.
TAYLOR SWIFT: No, I really did appreciate it in the moment. I knew. I knew it was crazy what was happening. We have never had anything happen like that. I’ve been with my band for a very long time. My crew, my touring family, my team were all very close and have been forever, and none of us have ever had anything like that happen.
We all were looking at each other the whole time going, “This is absolutely nuts.”
GREG JAMES: Have you got the itch for another something soon?
TAYLOR SWIFT: No, no. I’m just… I’m going to be really honest with you. I am so tired. When I think about doing it again, because I would want to do it really, really well again.
GREG JAMES: Yeah, of course. You know, Taylor, such a treat. I mean, so I could talk to you for hours and, you know, one day we’ll do a proper sit down, maybe just in a pub.
TAYLOR SWIFT: That would be so good.
GREG JAMES: We don’t have to record it. Yeah, we don’t have to record every chat.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Oh, my gosh.
Owning the Masters
GREG JAMES: But I wanted to just get a definitive answer on the versions. Right. Because the Masters thing is a huge success and congratulations on owning all your music.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you.
GREG JAMES: First of all, I want to say thanks because I’m actually the CEO of Shamrock Capital. No one knew that.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you so much. I’m so glad. I’m so glad I figured out finally. Yeah.
GREG JAMES: Yeah. So thank you for the deal.
TAYLOR SWIFT: No, it was an amazing thing. They were so great to make that deal with me because they never had to sell my music to me. They never had to do that.
GREG JAMES: But it gave radio presenters across the world a dilemma. Which one are we playing?
TAYLOR SWIFT: Whichever one you want.
GREG JAMES: Well, look what we did when we celebrated the news. We went bananas, by the way.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Oh, thank you.
GREG JAMES: We were like, “We’re free. We can play our version.”
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you so much.
GREG JAMES: Because whenever we played a Taylor’s version, all the listeners would go, “That better be Taylor’s version.” Oh, my God, of course it is.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you.
GREG JAMES: They got your back.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yes. I appreciate that so much because that’s partially probably what.
GREG JAMES: Got this done, but so have I. So I was like, of course I’m going to play the Taylor’s version. But now.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you. Now you can play anything you want.
GREG JAMES: But we’ve been playing both at the same time, so.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Look, what’s that like?
GREG JAMES: Okay, ready?
TAYLOR SWIFT: Oh, my God.
GREG JAMES: I’ve got to get it right. Oh, my God. There we go. So that’s both. Can you hear that?
TAYLOR SWIFT: See, I’m so proud of this. I mean, it’s.
GREG JAMES: It’s like I’ll go between the two. Ready?
TAYLOR SWIFT: Oh, nice. See? Yeah. I crushed this. They’re the same. Look at this. I’m always going to look back on this time and be like, “We just redid everything.”
GREG JAMES: Yeah. So, well, can you tell the difference which one I play now?
TAYLOR SWIFT: No, I can’t tell. That’s younger or older? I can’t tell.
GREG JAMES: Taylor’s version.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Original now it’s the same anyway. It’s the same.
GREG JAMES: Yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: I’m so stoked about that whole process, right? The whole process of actually, you know, there’s a lot of stuff that I never speak out about. Right. People try to provoke me all the time, right. Because it would be valuable for someone to get under my skin, have me clap back. Then they get, I don’t know what, you get a bunch of followers out of it. It’s like, I’m not interested.
The Importance of Music Ownership
GREG JAMES: Like the shower thing. No, not that.
TAYLOR SWIFT: What if you were just rage baiting on. But with this, I was like, you know what? I don’t speak up about many things, but this matters to me. This whole thing actually matters to me. And I feel like if I talked about it, people in the industry might learn from it.
And the way it played out, it was really infuriating at times. But the way that has all culminated in sort of there being more awareness for artists about their ownership and then I got it back. I got to buy my music back. It’s still pretty crazy that all or any of that happened.
GREG JAMES: It’s a great, very grateful, but it’s a great thing. But it will inspire other artists and other people just to make sure that the thing, the thing that they’ve made, they are in charge of, that matters to them.
TAYLOR SWIFT: You don’t have to care about this, but maybe look into it and see if you care about it. If you care about it, try to get that to happen.
GREG JAMES: It’s nice that you’re leading it. That’s why I think that’s such a nice thing.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thanks.
GREG JAMES: Yeah, it’s cool.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thanks.
Wrapping Up
GREG JAMES: Well, look, it’s been a pleasure.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Thank you so much for having me on and just, over the years, just being so supportive, being so lovely, and I really just have loved coming to check in with you. And congrats on the book.
GREG JAMES: Thank you.
TAYLOR SWIFT: And the wedding.
GREG JAMES: And the wedding. Hey, look at us. We’re all grown up.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Oh, yeah.
GREG JAMES: Yeah. It’s cool.
TAYLOR SWIFT: My invite got lost. Oh, I’m joking. It’s a joke.
GREG JAMES: Well, look, if I get married again, you’re first on the list. No, but you never knew your vows. Sorry, I should have said that first.
TAYLOR SWIFT: If you renew your vows. There we go. We got it. Got the plane rerouted to land at the right spot.
GREG JAMES: Thank you. Should we play one of your live lounges? And I’ll let you go.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Me, too. We must.
GREG JAMES: What do you want, then? Do you want “You Need to Calm Down”? Do you want to “Shake It Off”? Do you want “Riptide”? Do you want to do “Lover”? What are you feeling?
TAYLOR SWIFT: Oh, “Riptide” or “Lover”? Either one. Those were fun.
GREG JAMES: Well, maybe it works, playing both at the same time. Maybe that’s—
TAYLOR SWIFT: Maybe I’ll get—
GREG JAMES: No, it might do. It might.
TAYLOR SWIFT: No one wants it. No one wants both. No.
GREG JAMES: Oh, lovely. Oh, yeah.
TAYLOR SWIFT: It’s not bad, actually. It’s not bad.
GREG JAMES: Hang on. Fade it in slowly. I’m Max Martin now.
TAYLOR SWIFT: This is not what Max Martin does. Hey, come on. Didn’t expect it to go so well.
GREG JAMES: Sadly. We’ll see you soon. Thanks so much.
TAYLOR SWIFT: Yeah, thank you so much.
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