Wisdom From North Podcast: w/ Pam Gregory (Transcript)

Western Astrology

PAM GREGORY: Yeah, I could write a whole book on this. So I’ll try and be as concise as I can. All systems work because they are all a reflection of consciousness. The difference in measurement is about 24 degrees. The Vedic system, the Sidereal Zodiac, is 24 degrees behind the tropical western zodiac.

And the sidereal zodiac that the Vedic astrologers use is anchored in the stars, the actual position in the stars, the tropical western zodiac, is anchored in the solstices and the equinoxes and the seasons. So it is very, very anchored into those very key points when we move from, you know, spring to summer, summer to autumn, where the days either become longer and warmer or colder and shorter.

And that’s undeniable. You know, those changes of seasons are absolutely undeniable, particularly if you live in any kind of northern, north, southern part of the part of the Earth. But there are many other differences. Vedic astrology has only used the planets as far out as Saturn because that is as far as they were able to see with the naked eye.

And they haven’t incorporated the more recently discovered planets, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, and particularly the dwarf planets which have only been discovered around the turn of the century recently. Joni Petrie, who you may have interviewed, she’s very active on YouTube. She’s the only Vedic astrologer I’m aware of. There may be others.

She’s the only one I’m aware of who is actually beginning to incorporate just in the last few years, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto into her work. But she’s only using them in a collective sense, whereas for me, they are the most powerful indicator of individual life change you can find in a chart, if you have Pluto, Uranus, Neptune, transits in your chart, massive life change generally, particularly on the angles of the chart.

And so also Vedic astrology is said to be. I’m not a Vedic astrologer, I’m a western tropical. So you know, I haven’t practiced Vedic. People say that it is more predictive in a mundane sense. Whereas tropical Western astrology is more to do with the psychology of individuals. Certainly it’s more to do with the psychology of individuals, but I believe it’s extremely accurate on prediction.

However, having said that, I’m becoming more, and I’m just speaking of my own personal practice, that there is a spectrum between predictability and being fated and deterministic and being a co creator. Yes, there’s a spectrum. You know, how big a role do each of us have as humanity, as individuals on changing the reality and changing our future versus these things are fated and predestined.

So increasingly, because I believe our reality is becoming much more fluid and malleable, I am much more at the co creation end. And I think it’s going to be much harder, and again I’m speaking for my individual practice, much harder even for me as an astrologer to give any kind of prediction about where we’re going because it’s going to become so multidimensional.

We’re going to be living on different dimensions. We’re going to be, you know, the excitement in life is talking to our galactic family or the trees or the elemental beings. And that’s going to be very hard to pin down. On a certain date you’re going to be talking to an elf because it’s going to be multidimensional.

So astrology is going to open up in a way I can’t explain right now in January 2026 about how it’s going to work. But astrology is going to evolve very significantly to start to take account of that multidimensionality. It will become more galactic, it will become more expansive in a way that I can’t articulate at this point.

So those are the big similarities and differences. You know, the geometry is the same that we’re looking at, whether it’s Vedic or Western. And the archetypes are broadly the same. But they are those significant differences I’ve just mentioned that make it different. Interesting.

JANNECKE ØINÆS: And speaking of our multidimensionality that we hear about again and again, can that be explained also through astrology? Is that sort of reflected in astrology? That you’ve learned about it through astrology or through sort of other spiritual directions.

Multidimensionality and the Dwarf Planets

PAM GREGORY: Yeah, great question, Jannecke. I think it’s partly through the astrology in that every time Pluto has a 248 year orbit and every time it enters the sign of Aquarius, which it did fully in November 2024, and it will stay there till January 2044. So virtually 20 years, we go deeper and deeper into the cosmos.

That’s partly because our telescopes are better and stronger and bigger. It’s partly because we are able to integrate more of the cosmos into our consciousness. So really all of this is an inside job. It is simply reflecting the expansion of our consciousness in an inner sense.

But round about the turn of the century, dwarf planets began to be discovered and they are out in deep space, round about a 300 year orbit, most of them beyond the orbit of Pluto. Some of them, like Sedna, have an 11,400 year orbit. And the archetypes, the symbolism of the dwarf planets starts to expand us beyond the kind of bread and butter planets that I’ve dealt with all of this lifetime and there have been other lifetimes as an astrology, but just sticking to this lifetime for the moment, otherwise it’s going to get too crazy.

So they, the dwarf planets take us back. Many of them in their symbolism take us back to an ancient wisdom, a shamanic wisdom, ancient practices, to connections to Lemuria and that sense of oneness with all living beings, that sense of interconnectedness. They also in their symbolism, help us to understand how we create our reality using quantum physics.

So they take us back to the ancient, but also leading edge of, in scientific understanding how we create our reality. So we start to get this going beyond the individual, into a kind of soul, group, humanity, consciousness, which is much bigger than the individual. And that starts to stretch astrology in a bigger way that I haven’t worked with apart from the last few years and the more discoveries that are made, I believe that we will start to incorporate aspects of the cosmos that connect us more fully to multi dimensionality.

But the second answer is absolutely the experiences which many people are having, myself included, are extraordinary. I mean, many people channel galactic beings, don’t they? They’ve done that for years, whether it’s Arcturians, Pleiadians, Andromeda, you know, they’re all over YouTube. That’s very common.

But it is becoming more common that people in their dreams are becoming more aware of connections to their galactic family, meetings, conversations, impulses, sort of instinctive direction that they have to take and that’s going to become bigger and bigger and bigger. 2026. So a big part of this is not just astrological. It’s energetic, it’s cosmic and it’s energetic.

Galactic Connection and Three Eye Atlas

And we are going to be reconnected to our galactic family beginning this year in a much bigger way than we ever have as humanity. That’s starting to happen now. I mean, that’s, I think, partly what Three Eye Atlas is about. This incredible interstellar object which is traveling at massive speed through flyby one time only through our solar system, is still around.

It’s going to pass by Jupiter finally on 16 March, and then start to exit with its convoy of six comets accompanying it and pretty much in alignment with our ecliptic within 5 degrees, which is also exactly the reflecting the inclination of the orbit of the moon to the ecliptic plane. I mean, that is just extraordinary.

And people have had some very, very strong experiences with Three Eye Atlas. People have been channeling Three Eye Atlas. I mean, it’s just been absolutely extraordinary. So this isn’t a rock, it’s, or a comet. I believe it’s beyond that. It’s some kind of a very advanced consciousness which I believe is helping to seed this greater sense of galactic connection for humanity that I believe will become even stronger in March when it does its final flyby past Jupiter, which is to do with the future cosmic vision, expandedness, interconnectedness.

So that’s going to be amazing, I think. But it’s already doing great stuff, I think. So it’s, it’s, that’s part of the picture too. Incredible. It’s arrived at this time when so many other things were converging around the Capricorn Solstice as a real tipping point, I believe, for humanity of humanity’s consciousness.

I think we’re now in a different league and in a different game in terms of the level of our consciousness. And it’s just amazing it arrived at that time.

JANNECKE ØINÆS: Interesting. So many things I want to unpack there.

PAM GREGORY: Sorry, it was a very long answer, Jannecke.

JANNECKE ØINÆS: No, no, no, I love it. Okay, let me go to the personal first because you did mention it, but I haven’t heard you talk about so much your personal experiences. Did you say that you’ve had some mystical experiences with galactic beings? And is that something you would like?

The Arcturian and Sirian Connection

PAM GREGORY: Do you know, people tell me all the time, all the people write to me, people tell me all the time that I’ve very strong Aquarian energy. Sorry, Arcturian energy. Arcturian energy and Sirian energy. They see blue light around me, they see blue orbs around me. I don’t see that, but they all do because there’s a kind of consensus of people who write to me.

I had a very particular experience when Three Eye Atlas was closest to Venus. And it was—I think a lot of us are struggling with difficult sleep at the moment. And I can either sleep forever or barely at all. So it’s one of those no sleep nights. From 2am I was awake and I was still very much awake at 5am and I started to get very hot.

And then these very powerful waves of energy started to move up my back. So I wasn’t solid anymore. I was just these big, big waves of energy. And then the top half of my back, which is where I hold most of my tension, became a brilliant emerald green. And I could see it in my kind of third eye, brilliant emerald green.

And then my third eye just popped into this kind of oily splodge of brilliant green paint. And with a silhouette of my body in the center and the oily green paint started to move into a kind of mandala of beautiful shapes. And then suddenly I was spinning like a Sufi. That was my feeling. I was spinning like a Sufi. But the whole experience was brilliant emerald green.

And at the time, Three Eye Atlas had a brilliant emerald green coma tail. That has changed as we moved into—as it moved into the constellation of Leo and it became gold, which is of course the color of Leo, which is kind of—so it’s like a cosmic joke. But at the time it was—it was moving through Virgo and it was brilliant emerald green.

It was very visceral. It was pinpoint clear. And I’ll remember that for the rest of my life. So something was going on and people have written to me, giving me messages, personal messages to me from Three Eye Atlas. Though I haven’t experienced them, I’ve experienced them indirectly through people writing to me saying, I’ve been asked to pass this message on to you.

JANNECKE ØINÆS: But you still have your own experience there. I got to say.

PAM GREGORY: Yes, I did. And it was really visceral, physical. I don’t know how many minutes it lasts. I didn’t have a sense of time, but it was distinct and very powerful. And yeah, I’ll remember it for the rest of my life.

JANNECKE ØINÆS: Yeah. When you have experienced something, you cannot not experience it or not believe it. It’s just there. It has been and then you know that oh, there’s so much more. So let’s go there. What are the planetary alignments and shifts that are influencing humanity right now, this year and a bit onwards?

The Saturn-Neptune Conjunction: A 6,000-Year Cycle

PAM GREGORY: Wow. Wow. Big, big, big, big. Okay, where do we start? Okay, so the one that’s coming up quite soon is on the 20th of February, because this is very close indeed. And these two planets, Saturn and Neptune come together reliably about every 36 years.

The last time they came together was in 1989 and they are very much about dissolving the old order. They’re very connected to Russian history actually, because if you go back in Russian history, there was a Saturn Neptune conjunction in 1917, which was the Russian Revolution. Another one in 1952-53, birth of Putin, death of Stalin, another one in 1989 and that was in Capricorn, which is to do the sign that Saturn rules, which is to do with walls and borders and boundaries. That was the collapse of the Berlin Wall. I mean it couldn’t be more literal. November 1989. And that was the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union.

So every time we have a Saturn Neptune conjunction, there is a redefinition of Russia in some way. So it’s going to be very interesting this year with whatever happens with any peace deal, who knows what’s going to happen? I haven’t looked into that. But what I do know reliably, if we go back, and I can go back even further than that, you know, into the 1800s, there is always a redefinition of Russia in some way of territory very often. And certainly authority figures as well. So that’s, you know, going to be fascinating to watch.

So that happens very reliably every 36 years. It’s very often to do with the dissolution—Neptune—of the old order—Saturn. But this year it’s happening on the 20th of February. It’s a one hit deal. Not going to happen again. It got very close last summer, Northern hemisphere, but it’s going to happen at 0.44 of Aries.

It hasn’t happened at 0 of Aries since 4361 BC. I want to credit my very good friend Heather Ensworth for finding that in her research. Hasn’t happened at 0 of Aries for almost 6,000 years. So this is pure potentiality, the very first degree of the zodiac. And so this is incredibly exciting in terms of birthing a new order, a whole new civilization.

I begin—I believe—I begin, I believe that we are birthing the beginning of a new galactic society and a galactic civilization starting in 2026. And so that’s going to be very powerful around new beginnings. That’s going to be very powerful for people individually. So please, everybody out there, particularly if you have anything between 0 and 2 degrees of the cardinal signs—Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn—you are going to have a particularly strong sense of a new beginning.

But it’s for everybody actually. What new relationship, passion, home, job, geography, you know, what’s calling you, that could be really new. So that’s one very big deal. And it will accelerate the collapse of the old order. Saturn is the old order. It will do many, many other things as well. It’s going to be a reality check on lies and deceits. And, you know, many, many truths are going to come to light in a pretty dramatic way. And that’s going to start, I think, in February as well. And it’s going to come in through this year.

And so we are going to see the accelerated collapse of the old order, but more green shoots of this new consciousness coming through as well. So that’s happening. And it’s a big deal because it’s so rare. Rarity gives potency.

Uranian Energy and Earth Changes

What we also have is very strong Uranian energy. And that’s to do with increased seismic activity, a lot of extreme weather and Earth events. I think they will continue through 2026, because Gaia is going through, shedding millions of years of trauma and going through her own rebirth. And we’re in symbiosis with that.

And so we have some real peak points with Uranus going through this year. If we look at three days before that Saturn Neptune conjunction, we have a very powerful solar eclipse at 28 of Aquarius that is square to Uranus. I think that could be very eruptive, disruptive, shocking. A lot of truths coming to light. Could be big seismic activity and it could be seismic, literally with earthquakes. It could be seismic politically, financially, you know, a big, big truth coming to light, a big rattling of the old order.

A lot of disclosure. There’s going to be a lot of disclosure coming this year because so much to talk about here because we had a particular conjunction in 1993 which began the disclosure project of Dr. Stephen Greer. The next step in that configuration is happening this year, exact in July.

In fact, we also have a very strong Uranus aspect in June. And I think that will be another wave of mass awakening, a massive one in July.

April: The Month of New Beginnings

And actually, if I just hop back to April, April is a massive month of new beginnings for people. I have—I don’t think in my career—seen so many planets in Aries. If we incorporate Chiron and the dwarf planets, I think we have eight orb bodies in Aries in April. That is just off the map in terms of initiation. Ignition. New beginnings.

I think we’re going to see a huge wave of cosmic energy coming in to the Earth at that time and through this year. I’m sorry, this is going to be a terribly long answer.

JANNECKE ØINÆS: No, I love it. I’m so intrigued.

Waves of Evolutionary Energy

PAM GREGORY: Okay. Dr. David Clements, who’s a dear friend of mine, has talked about six or seven waves of kind of evolutionary energy coming into the Earth in 2026 to awaken mankind. I don’t know if the waves that he’s anticipating and seeing correlate with the probability peaks astrologically that I’m seeing, but I’m seeing some real peaks.

February, March and April, you know, Aries equinox. Then massive lineup in Aries in April. A big wave of energy, I think coming in June is very big. July is huge.

July: The Historic Planetary Symmetry

So just to explain July, we have a unique astrological configuration which I don’t believe has ever happened in history before. And no astrologer has found a time in history when this has occurred. So this is a trine—120°—between Uranus and Pluto. And in the midpoint of that is Neptune. And it’s completely symmetrical. And it becomes perfectly symmetrical in July, round about the 18th to the 20th of July exactly. But we’re going to feel it, you know, right through the middle of this year.

And so each of those planets is at 4 degrees of their sign. Pluto’s at 4 degrees of Aquarius. Uranus is at 4 degrees of Gemini. Neptune’s at 4 degrees of Aries. You have perfect symmetry.

And so if I look back to the seed points—the seed points of any aspect is when two planets came together in conjunction. Okay. So for instance, the last time that the Uranus Pluto conjunction happened was in 1965, 1966. So that was a time which was, you know, the time of the hippies and, you know, strong wave of love and peace and living in community and protests against war and a lot of demonstrations to demand more equality in society. Whether that was coming from women or the black power movement or gay, you know, gay people’s rights, whatever. There was a greater demand for equality and people living together in peace and growing food together.

So that was the seed point for what is now blossoming this year, particularly in the middle of the year.

Consciousness and the Nature of Reality

You also had a conjunction between Neptune and Pluto back. The seed point was 1981—correction, 1891 to 1993. That was the birth of quantum physics where Max Planck made the first association between matter and consciousness. That matter is derived from consciousness, but consciousness is primary. We have another step happening in that coming up this year as well.

So we are going to discover a huge amount about the nature of consciousness and the nature of reality. Partly because Pluto is in Aquarius and Uranus is in Gemini, reinforcing those themes huge about divinity, consciousness, how we create our reality, etc.

You also had, let me just think what I’ve missed. You also had, yes, which I’ve mentioned before, a conjunction between Uranus and Neptune in 1993, as well as Dr. Stephen Greer’s disclosure project about galactic beings. You had the birth of the Internet, the World Wide Web at that time, the Internet becoming much more commonly used by the public.

New Technologies and Transportation

There’s going to be another jump in all of that—mass communications to a much higher level. Telepathy coming in much more fully. You know, it’s going to be mass. There’s just going to be so many developments in new forms of transport. I think we could see anti-gravity transport coming in. I think we could see flying cars. I think we could see more public transport just to do with magnetic, which is very quiet and clean.

I think South Korea is developing this at the moment where the—it’s beautiful. They have these kind of trains that run above the ground the same level as the cherry blossom. And then they come down to pick up people and then they go back, you know, to sort of tree level. And that’s in development right now. And I believe it works on magnetics, you know, reversing the magnetic pole so the, you know, it can rise above the ground.

So we’re going to see incredible developments around free energy. I think using magnetism is going to become a much bigger deal by the end of 2026. Even by then, our world is going to look very different from how it looks now. Society is going to look very different.

And you know, that’s incredible because in general, the life we’ve—the lives we’ve lived—it’s been pretty predictable, you know, you know where you’re going to be at the end of a year, you’re planning to go to college or buy a house, you know, it’s been pretty predictable. We’re going to be making huge jumps this year, which are very accelerated compared to how we’ve lived our lives in the past.

That was a very long answer, Jannecke. So I’ll give you a chance to speak.

The Dimensional Split and Creating Our Reality

JANNECKE ØINÆS: Well, thank you. I love listening to you. This is amazing to hear. I mean, this is incredible, living right now. I mean, even though in one way or in one sense there are chaos and struggles and wars, right. But in another sense we’re feeling—a lot of us—things are shifting to the positive. And speaking of that, you have mentioned there’s been an increasing dimensional split and I would love for you to share a bit about that and also how we can align more with the higher dimensions.

PAM GREGORY: Yeah, thank you. In fact, I had a fascinating conversation just last night with a chap called Paul Levy, who has been a Tibetan Buddhist or practiced for over 30 years plus. He’s deeply enmeshed in quantum physics and he was putting the parallels of those together. And we had a long conversation about creating our reality.

So, yeah, I think it’s sort of undeniable at the moment that if people’s principal focus is the news, the war, the chaos, the big scary things that are happening in the world—and there are awful things happening in the world. They’re absolute horrors with war and hunger and deprivation and disease. I mean, it’s just, you know, I can’t believe in this day and age we’re still murdering people. It’s just incomprehensible.

But if you’re living that fearful state, that’s the energy you’re broadcasting and it’s just a frequency. And so the way that physics works, the physics of consciousness, means that by magnetic resonance—and this is just magnetic resonance. This isn’t a judgment or superiority or anything like that—it’s just you will… And so much work has been done on this, you know, with HeartMath and many people, because you can actually measure your frequency with a magnetoencephalograph outside your head.

So people know that it’s broadcasting beyond the body that you automatically magnetize to you the frequency with which you are most aligned. Hence, if you’re in fear, it’s all a big scary world, you know, gloom and doom. We’re going to go to World War 3. You are going to magnetize to you by magnetic resonance more big scary things. That’s just the way physics works, the physics of energy.

However, if you can turn your focus to love and joy and peace and compassion, as I think more and more of us are, that’s what you’re broadcasting. And you will automatically—it’s just a law of the universe—you will automatically attract more loving, more joyful, more compassionate and peaceful experiences into your life.

And if you don’t believe me, do just an experiment. Do it for a month. Say I’m going to do this as a game, you know, that very difficult relationship or friend or neighbor or boss. I’m going to do this as a game and I’m going to practice sending them love and compassion and peace. And I’m not going to get all stirred up by the angst in that relationship. Just see how that relationship changes. Just do it for a month. Because I think you will find that the dynamics of that relationship start to change.

So it all comes from us. This is an inside job in what we are choosing to focus on and what we are choosing to broadcast. And catch yourself. You know, I’ve often said, put post-it notes all over the house, catch yourself. What’s my focus? What am I thinking about? Where am I at? Am I feeling love and joy and peace? Am I thanking the sun for turning up that morning? Am I thanking the trees in my garden? Or am I thinking, you know, World War 3 is around the corner. Which am I choosing? It’s a choice.

The Shift of Power to the People

JANNECKE ØINÆS: True. And yeah, I’m thinking about power right now. I’ve heard you speak about that. There will be a shift of power because in one sense we can feel a bit powerless. Like I’m doing this work, I’m trying my best, but I don’t see the change on the outside. Like nothing, just in my reality. But on a larger scale, what’s going on in the world? Like, I really want to change the world. What can I do? So could you speak to that? Will there be a shift in power where people like us, not in a political position, will actually have more power to do good in the world and to change the world in the way we really long to see a change?

PAM GREGORY: 100%. 100%. And that’s because I’ve looked back in historical cycles to the 1200s, the 1500s, the late 1700s. I’ve looked back to every time Pluto was in Aquarius and the message was always greater power to the people. Didn’t come easily, wasn’t handed on a plate. But the shift is always to do with greater equability and decentralization away from top-down centralized power.

So whether you look back to the 1500s and the power of a very dominant church across the world, but particularly in the west, or whether you look to the 1700s—and I’ve talked about this a lot—with the American Revolution, the French Revolution, you know, the French Revolution, when they stormed the Bastille, took down the monarchy, monarch was beheaded and that was the end of the French monarchy in France. And within a very short time the Declaration of the Rights of Man was written by the Assemblée Nationale in France. That gave, started to give legal rights to ordinary people and France became a republic. It’s no longer a monarchy.

That was massive. I mean a massive shift. And that was the development of a middle class and artisan businesses. There’d never been a middle class. There was just the rulers and the ruled and massive inequality. So whenever you get huge inequality as we have now, strong verticality, top-down, we’re in charge, we’re telling you, you know, peasants, you know, ordinary people like you and me what to do. Much stronger rebellious energy comes in, which is also Pluto in Aquarius.

And it doesn’t have to mean being on the street shouting with a placard. It doesn’t have to mean that. It can literally mean a revolution of choice, a revolution of love. I’m going to energetically disengage from the system. I’m going to become self-employed. I’m no longer going to shop at supermarkets. I’m going to shop with my local farmers or order my food from a farmer’s network. I’m going to energetically disengage as much as I can from that centralized top-down system. You know, and we can do that to varying degrees individually.

But in every moment of my day I’m going—you know, for all of us listening to this—I am going to try and add more love, more joy, more peace, more caring and more compassion into the world. And that will appear to be invisible. Helping a neighbor with her shopping, helping someone across the road, being kind to a friend. I walk my neighbor’s dog every day because I love them to bits. But you know, it’s an act of kindness to my neighbor, act of kindness for the dog, act of kindness for me, actually, because I love it.

But you know, this is all very quiet. It’s not loud. You’re never going to see that on the nightly news. The stuff that is passing away could not be louder. It’s shouting, it’s dramatic, it’s colorful. We’ve all got to be scared. So that’s kind of in our faces. What is birthing is when we drop into stillness, when we meditate, when we drop into zero point, when we hug a tree. That’s what’s birthing.

But as people come together, more and more people on the same frequency—and I find in my world, partly because I’m speaking to wonderful people like you, Jannecke, and you know, all the people I talk to on interviews and podcasts, we are all of the same mindset. We want to birth a more loving world. My local friends have changed a lot. They are now really saying, what can we do to build a more loving world? Can more of us come together? Do we have a builder and a carpenter and a gardener?

You know, I have a local friend who has a large garden. She’s given up a big chunk of her garden for half a dozen friends to have allotments and grow different vegetables. And they get together every week and they share vegetables and have coffee and, you know, that’s an embryonic community forming. And these embryonic communities are happening already all over the world. They are going to become more and more widespread, but they’re going to be quiet. They’re not going to be above the radar, they’re not going to be shouting, they’re not going to publicize.

This is happening everywhere. And it’s palpable now. It’s really visceral and palpable that this is happening. So that’s how you can create a more loving world. Just decide to be more, you know, loving through your day. Does that make sense, Jannecke?

Preparing for Financial System Changes

JANNECKE ØINÆS: Yes, that does make a lot of sense. I’ve heard you speak about that the financial system will change, that the old system will in fact collapse. And I’m wondering, do you have any advice on things we can do differently in our everyday lives to prepare for this or sort of to brace for this change?

PAM GREGORY: Yes. I mean, the short answer is I don’t know. And I’m not sure that the vast majority of us know. But what I do see in the astrology is because of the collapse of a top-down controlling system, the financial system is part of that. In fact, all systems that we currently have, be they medical, educational, judicial, political, I think they’re all going to change really radically over the next few years to something much more horizontal, much more grassroots based.

So I do see that happening this year and that may cause some temporary disruption. I mean, just looking at the New Moon in Capricorn coming up on the 18th of January, there’s some very strong indications of that. For instance, if we look back to when Pluto entered Capricorn in 2008, we had the banking crisis within a short time of Pluto entering Capricorn.

So we have very strong Capricorn energy around the end of this month. And it’s very, you know, some very strong kind of collapsing energy because of disclosure in February. Another time that I think could be a big month is July. And then we get into the fall, September, October, and very strong financial changes there too.

However, I do think, and I mentioned this in the last update, I do think there is an awful lot happening behind the scenes that we as the broad population are not aware of to bring in a new system which is much more equitable, not equal, but equitable. And I profoundly believe that. Now, what form that will take, I’m not sure, but I do believe there’s a lot happening to make that happen.

So we may have some temporary disruption, you know, that I can’t really… So what I’d suggest, I mean, I’d suggest having some cash on hand because people will always take cash for food, having an amount of cash on hand. And I just have some basic supplies of dried food, canned food. If you have canned food, make sure you have a manual tin opener just in case, you know, there are any power disruptions. I wouldn’t go crazy, but this is the kind of preparation I would make with my parents for winter because I lived in the north of England and for about six, eight weeks every year we got snowed in and you couldn’t get out to get supplies.

So I would do that with joy, with joy, knowing that I was in a good place. And I’d have water, and I’d also have a water filtration method. You can just get very inexpensive camping bottles you can buy online for 12, 15 pounds, you know, about less than $20 that will filter enormous amounts of stream water, river water, any kind of water. So they’re basically for campers. But you know, how cheap and easy is that?

I would do that just in case, you know, because our power grids are creaking and because we have so much heightened solar activity now, there is potential for power grid outages. They’ve already happened across a lot of Europe in Spain, Portugal and France. Middle of last year, we had these. So I would just take some basic precautions to keep yourself very comfortable through any of that happening.

I think there’s going to be ways we’re going to have free energy really coming online certainly by the end of this year. But those are the simple precautions I take. I don’t know what form it’s going to take, but I do think it’s going to be more equitable and more beneficial for humanity after some temporary disruption. So just cover yourself for the temporary disruption and you’ll be absolutely fine.

One other thing as well, and this may seem a kind of crazy thing to do, and I’m not talking about any kind of dodgy agendas here, but as time, as the years go on, you know, the next few years, I think, because we’ll be living more in collaboration and community, we’ll be supporting each other, more money will matter less. I think we’ve regarded money as a survival mechanism. I’ve got to have a lot of money in my bank account to buy food and pay the bills and survive because the world’s a big scary place.

I think so much of that is going to change, so we won’t be so concerned about that because we’ll be sharing much more and it will just not be such a big deal for a survival mechanism as it has been in the past. For a very good reason, not for a bad reason.

Disclosure and Galactic Connection

JANNECKE ØINÆS: Oh, that’s wonderful news. Really, really wonderful news. My gosh, I’d love to hear a bit more about disclosure and how you see that’s happening. Will it be sort of all over the news, we’ll all know about our connection with the star beings, or will it be more on an individual level, a greater awareness of our connection to the universe?

PAM GREGORY: Yeah, thank you. I think it will change by individual, and that’s absolutely fine. We’re on our individual soul journey, so there’s no comparison or, gosh, Mary down the road has just had this conversation with a galactic being and I haven’t. So I’m way behind, you know, run your race with this.

But I think it will become more and more commonplace for us to have dreams where we have these galactic interactions and more and more people will be channeling galactic beings. It’s happening all over YouTube, as I mentioned. And you’re very well aware as well, Jannecke, and I think it will just become a more common thing.

I mean, listen to my good friend David Clements, who channels galactic beings and you know, he can time travel to, and bilocate to the spaceships and actually experience being with them. It’s just in a very ordinary matter of fact way. He’s very humble. He’s a wonderful man. He’s very, very humble. And there are many people out there who are having these experiences.

And so I think it will happen to varying degrees, but it will become more commonplace that people are talking about galactic interactions and galactic news. I mean, even the fact you asked me that question, nobody would have asked me that question. I think even three or four years ago, nobody would have asked me that question. But it’s becoming part of the common parlance now.

Interstellar Visitors and Consciousness Shifts

I think 3i Atlas is just the beginning of interstellar visitors. I think we will see many to follow of either comets or, you know, this is a vast being, whatever it is about the size of Manhattan, I understand. And I think more beings, crafts, whatever you want to call it, rocks, whatever, are going to come into our solar system. And I think they are seeding new information.

Comets always do that, and that’s a scientific fact. They bring new information, new bacteria, new forms of plant life from other galaxies because they’ve come a very long way. 3i Atlas is going to do that in a bigger way because it’s been flying for who knows how, millions of years, possibly billions of years from way beyond our solar system. So inevitably it’s going to be seeding new information that’s going to fall on the Earth and humanity. And I think that can leapfrog us into this different consciousness.

And I’m becoming aware that people I’m in contact with who were very normal people watching the news every night are suddenly having epiphanies of conversations with the galactic being and it’s blowing them away. And it’s a massive jump in consciousness and they’re asking to speak to me. And you know, I’m not sure I’m the best person to speak to on this, but it will be happening to different degrees, but it will be in communities and the common parlance much more frequently than it has been to date. I can certainly say that.

The Movement Toward a Loving New Earth

And it will be wonderful. You know, that’s where we came from. We came from the stars. You know, we have iron in our blood, we have calcium in our bones. That came from the stars. That’s, you know, non debatable. It’s going to be wonderful.

And also if you get into conversation, contact, community with other people on this wavelength who want to make a, you know, give birth to a more loving new earth, whatever form that takes. And remember that’s an embodied quality. It’s not an out there or place, it’s a frequency that you embody. You start to get this sense of momentum. Boy, is this building, you know, this is like a movement, a movement. It’s like a tsunami of love for this much more loving worth that we’re creating.

Because the more people you’re in contact with that are all from their perspective, their lens saying the same thing, you think, wow, I absolutely know this is unstoppable. I mean so many people more gifted than I am are saying this is now unstoppable. The energy is so strong in that direction and the energy is collapsing under the old world. I mean this is just non debatable anymore. It’s unstoppable.

And the more that humanity, the more humans that can join that vision of a loving new Earth, the faster it’s going to start to become a very obvious reality for us, a consensus reality. Wow.

Closing Questions

JANNECKE ØINÆS: Wow, that was powerful. Pam, I have a few questions I ask everyone and my first question is, what is self love to you?

PAM GREGORY: I think it’s total acceptance. I think it’s total acceptance. I think many of us have been taught because, you know, the whole paradigm is winner, loser, comparison, sales targets, business goals. That actually is just self acceptance of who you are and where you are. Because I think we are all in the place that we are meant to be right now in this massive wave of change. So yeah, self acceptance I think beautiful.

JANNECKE ØINÆS: And what is the deeper meaning of life from your perspective?

PAM GREGORY: How can I be of loving service to humanity in the greatest way? Lovely.

JANNECKE ØINÆS: And now if people want to connect with you, Pam, or learn more from you, they can obviously go to your YouTube channel. But where else can they find you?

PAM GREGORY: Yeah, I mean that’s the main way, I have to say. Jannecke, you know you said at the beginning I’m putting up so many videos, you know, it’s just very, very busy and very full at the moment. I decided to for the moment, for this year and next to stop any writing. I was doing a lot of writing but it takes much longer and gets to a smaller audience.

So I’m throwing all of my energy into my YouTube channel. That’s Pam Gregory Official. Any other YouTube channel is a scammer. So if you go there, you can see it’s very busy. It’s very active, interviewing different kinds of people. And, yeah, that’s the place to go to follow my work. Yeah.

JANNECKE ØINÆS: Thank you so much. Thank you so much for your service to the world, your amazing work, and for coming to the show today.

PAM GREGORY: Jannecke, thank you for all you’re doing in the world. You know, you’re doing some amazing work interviewing such a diverse number of people, and you really are in bigger service for humanity as well. So God bless you. Thank you so much.

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