Billionaire Attorney John Morgan on PBD Podcast (Transcript)

And so his injury is the most devastating thing that ever happened to me because, you know, I was trying to manage the medical, trying to manage the lawsuit. But later in life, you know, he came to work with me and him and his dog would come up every day to say goodbye and it was a wonderful thing.

The Pattern of Success: Pain and Hustle

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s cool. And do you notice that as a pattern, you know, you made it at the highest level, business-wise, you’re successful, you’re a billionaire, you’ve done very well for yourself and you have friends who are at that same level who have made your kind of success. Do you notice a pattern with extreme amount of pain at a young age? What do you notice with the top 0.0001% of America, which is only what, 1,200, 1,300 billionaires in America? What do you notice a pattern with them?

JOHN MORGAN: Well, here’s the pattern for people my age. I’ve got a new book I’m writing called “Life is Luck: The Paper Boy.” One pattern I understand is this, especially my age. I’ll meet people my age and I’ll say, “Were you a paper boy?” And they’ll say, “Yeah, why?” I can tell there’s a genetic seed that goes into the paper boy because the paper has to be delivered every day in the snow, in the sleet, in the cold. You have to get up and do it.

Warren Buffett was a paper boy. Oprah Winfrey was a paper girl. Walt Disney was a paper boy. Have your viewers Google famous paper boys. So I think the one pattern is there’s a genetic entrepreneurial seed. You have it. I could tell when, as soon as I walked in, I’m like this guy. I don’t know if you had papers, but I guarantee you something, when you were 11, 12, 13, you were hustling something.

I don’t know what. Today everybody’s on YouTube and coding and all that. That’s the new paper route. So that’s the one thing. And then the next thing is what I wrote a book about called “You Can’t Teach Hungry.” There is something inside of you when you’re poor that I talked about. That helplessness, that powerlessness, that hopelessness that makes you hungry. And it can’t be taught.

You just can’t. Like your guy that I met coming in, the comedian. You can’t teach funny. There’s certain things that cannot be taught, and that’s the pattern. Usually there’s an entrepreneurial bent, you know, Mark Cuban, you know, we’re pen pals, we talk about them. He was selling trash bags door to door. His brother was a paper boy. And so those are the things that I notice most.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Rob, can you pull up the list you just pulled up, which was very interesting? Benjamin Franklin, paper boy. Thomas Edison, paper boy. Eisenhower, Truman, MLK, Sarnoff. Joe DiMaggio was a paper boy. Walt Disney was a paper boy. Buffett, paper boy. Tom Cruise, Bob Hope, John Wayne. Who else you got there on the bottom? David Simmons. Very interesting.

JOHN MORGAN: The paper boy. It’s unbelievable. How old are you?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I’m 47.

JOHN MORGAN: Okay, so you might be too young to have been a paper boy. I don’t know. But I don’t know what you did at 11, 12. Tell me.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: In Germany, I used to go to the local swimming pool at the refugee camp we lived in, in Erlangen. And the owner of that pool, you know, guys would drink a lot of beer and I was the one that would go there first thing in the morning and I would collect all the beers. If you type in Erlangen massive swimming pool and you go to images, you’ll see it. I saw the other day, I may be visiting Germany to go see this place, but I was always out there selling, hustling, selling hats, selling baseball cards, collecting beer bottles in Erlangen to buy a Super Mario Brothers at Kaufhof. But there was a hustle in there. Always.

JOHN MORGAN: You’re born with a hustle. Yeah, you’re born with that hustle. And it’s not necessarily like Warren Buffett’s dad was a congressman and a stockbroker. And so it’s not necessarily. But there’s that hustle that you can’t teach. You’re born with that hustle.

Protecting Generational Wealth

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, so let’s go to the next question, because I’m at a family founders event at Goldman Sachs three weeks ago, and I’m at a Solomon Partners event last night in Miami Beach. Both of them, they have Dallas had Ross Perot Jr. there and the owners of the NASCAR family, as well as Emmitt Smith and others. And they’re talking about G2, G3, G4, and how do you pass the wealth on to the next generation.

And then last night they had the founder of 1-800-Flowers, the Perry Ellis family, and all these other guys that are in the room. Similar type of conversation on how you pass it on. The guy that was running Perry Ellis is the son of the founder of Perry Ellis. So it’s kind of like you got four kids and you’re a G1. You made the money and you made a lot of money.

So how are you setting up the estate planning and the living trust and the expectation of which one of your kids comes into the business? If one does not, then how do you set it up with the grandkids? Then if they marry somebody else, like, oh, my God, I’m marrying a Morgan, so I’m going to get the money. And how do you protect your sons from who they marry to make sure they’re doing it for the right reasons? How do you process the entire legacy planning with your wealth?

JOHN MORGAN: All right, first, all my children are married. All my children have prenups. In my estate, it works like this: if you don’t have a prenup, you don’t take under the will.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Bingo.

JOHN MORGAN: So I become the bad guy. And every time I tell people this, I don’t know how old your kids are, you will remember this, believe me. So you don’t want your kid to have to be the bad guy. You’re the bad guy. So my kids can say, “Hey, my dad, my dad is my dad. Now if you don’t want to sign it, we’re not getting sh*t.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s right.

JOHN MORGAN: And so that’s the first thing. The prenups are fairly tough. One lawyer said, “This is the most egregious document I’ve ever read. Egregious, egregious.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I’m sure you took it as a compliment.

JOHN MORGAN: I said, “By design. By design.” And so, but listen, all of my daughters-in-law, the son-in-law, I love these folks, but I’m not going to have a situation where somebody can come in. And you know, my one son Matt said, because he was the first one, he’s like, “Well, daddy, maybe I put a clause in there that if I cheat on my wife, that then is null.” And boy, I go, “No, no, no, no, no, because we don’t need to have any litigation.” He goes, “I’m not going to cheat.” I said, “I know you’re not. You know his mother.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Good question to ask though.

Estate Planning and Wealth Transfer

JOHN MORGAN: Asked that question, let’s just get the documents signed. So I did that years ago in 2008. I had, when everything crashed, I had everything appraised. I gave the big gift to him where you could give up to like 24, 25 million. So I did that.

I built a company called Litify, which was a software company. And what I did with that, I took Litify and I just put it all. I put 20% each one of my children, 20% for me. We sold it to Besmer at a $600 million valuation. We took 60%. But when we sold it all my kids got the money and then I used my 20% to toggle off and pay the taxes. So they took it tax free.

So I’ve done a lot of things, you got to do a lot of things de novo early on where there’s no basis. And then the lucky thing for me is because my sons are lawyers, then they get to take shares inside this firm and we build new cities like we’re going to open in Chicago. So they get to come in their de novo. So my children make a lot of money inside the law. But I have been very. That question has been in my mind, you know, even when I didn’t have.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: It go one more. So what is Dan, what are you allow leaving to them to decide what to do with the grandkids? Because, you know, you hear like the Vanderbilt story, the money only lasted one generation and it was gone where Anderson Cooper’s mom’s, like, I may be a Vanderbilt, but don’t expect Vanderbilt money. It’s gone, right? And then you hear some of the Medici family and the Rockefeller family, how they’re able to bring it down to six, seven generations. How are you processing it for your G3 for your grandkids?

JOHN MORGAN: Okay, so the way I’m doing it is this. In our will, when we die, if our kids have $100 million, they get nothing. Because now remember, they’re going to have. I’m transferring shares of the firm to them. So they’re going to have. That they’re going to get. If they have a hundred, they’re going to get $100 million. They get nothing.

We have an estate, I mean, a foundation that we hope to have, you know, a billion dollar foundation. And all of my money is going into the foundation. And so. But some of my kids are already past the $100 million. I mean, some of them are already. They’re done and they’re going to make a lot of money. My kids are 42, 40, 38, 36.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Two years apart.

JOHN MORGAN: Two years apart. I’m Catholic.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You only stopped at four. Well, let me tell you, traditionals get like six, eight, nine.

JOHN MORGAN: Let me tell you the problem. First of all, my wife’s a devout Catholic. The rhythm method does not work, especially when you’re drinking Jack Daniels on the weekend, you know, so, I mean, listen, man, every time I had sex, I had a child, if I would piss on a rock, there’d be potatoes growing in the morning. So you know, I’m very potent. I had to finally get fixed because it just, I just, I never missed. But that’s respect. But I had a hot wife, too. There you go. That helps.

And so, but you know, enough’s enough. I mean, we’re doing things for our grandchildren. We got the generational trust. A guy down here that we recommend, a guy named Andy Cometter, is our tax guy and. But you know, but when they were little, you know, I never wanted, I wanted them to work. They always had to work. They never got to, you know, sit home. They never got, you know, a lot of people go to high school and they buy their kids Mercedes and. No, mine, we’re driving 8 year old navigators and they worked on the weekend and you got to keep them hungry.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What are you going to do with your grandkids?

JOHN MORGAN: I’m not going to, you know, I worry about it because the grandkids, generation three is when it all goes to hell in a hand basket. And what I worry about is that they have lived. You know, we flew down today in our G500. My grandchildren, they don’t. And that’s what I worry about because they lead my. When I go to. I live in Maui in the wintertime when I go, Dan just got married in Maui, you know, my grandkids get to lead our life. So I worry about that. But you know what I think about? I was like, you know what? I’ll be dead. I’m going to let you guys worry about. You all handle it. You all give me enough stress as it is.

Managing Family Dynamics and Competition

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is one of the kids richer than the other kid? Is there situations where one’s done better? And then how do you manage the competitiveness, the ego, the envy or the jealousy? If there’s any of that.

JOHN MORGAN: If there is, I don’t know it. I know they. They’re all different tiers in age because, you know, Dan, who you just met, he got out later, you know, and Mike started first. So there’s. There is that. But at the end of the day, they all do different things in the business, and some do better than the others, but, you know, some deserve more than the others. But is that.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Do you talk about it? Do you say.

JOHN MORGAN: I don’t really talk about it. I talk about this. I just say this about that. Comparison is the thief of joy. You’ve heard that. That’s not my line. I’m stealing it. But I tell them, look, once you get a certain number, it’s the same. I mean, a guy who’s got $100 million is leading basically the same life, is the guy that’s got a billion, except for maybe a yacht, you know, I mean, or some astronomical house.

And so it’s not. I don’t worry about that. What I worried about when I was starting out was that they would never have to struggle after leading the life they lived with me. You know, I didn’t make a million dollars until 1997, 28 years ago. Yeah, I mean, that’s. That’s the first year I made a million dollars. No, but let me tell you why, and this is a secret I’m going to give to everybody listening, because I kept taking all my profits and pouring it in to new cities. I mean, I was making a lot. I mean, I was making.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You were paper rich, but you were. You were not cash rich.

Building the Empire: Reinvestment Strategy

JOHN MORGAN: No. Okay, but. But look, all that pouring in, you know, last this year, we’ll do, you know, $2.5 billion in fees. Once you catch up, once you catch up. The waterfall is, you know, so when I tell people I made a million, how you were 41, I go, listen, because I was doing Jacksonville and Tampa and Atlanta, and some of them were tough. Some of them didn’t make it, you know, not didn’t make it. Took time. So I was really building.

So now, you know, we’ve got 7,000 employees in all 50 states. And I still got some cities that have not that are still in the red. Like, you know, New York City is still in the red. But when I look at what it’s going to be, when I look at my inventory, when I look at LA, it’s going to be bigger than the core. All those at $2.5 billion, the expansion is going to be bigger than the core, in my opinion.

So the great thing about that’s when you. When you invest in those startups, you get to write off 40%. So if I put. If I put, you know, $20 million in a city, I only have to put in 12 because, you know, it’s a loss. So what happens in these businesses? You come in, advertise, red, red, red advertising, you know, then you kind of flatten out. You’re not feeding the beast, and then all of a sudden, you start getting your money back. And then you cross the Rubicon, I call it. You cross the Rubicon. And that’s because I burned the boats. When I go in, I’m burning the boats. That’s the river. When you cross the Rubicon, you go from red to black, and then it’s just done. It’s like a hockey stick.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: When was that? When was the moment for you where you’re like, we’re about to make a lot of money. And I’m talking exponential. I’m not talking millions. I’m talking.

JOHN MORGAN: We’re about. Our private company is almost like a Fortune 100 company now. I mean, when you see. I don’t want to talk about my net, but it was, you know, the last nine years just started, you know, and when it came, it poured. Thank God. Thank God.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s a great thing about business, by the way. Guy asks you a question, you know, what’s the difference, John, between what skill do I need to get to six figures? What skill do I need to get to a million, ten, hundred billion?

The Power of Patience

JOHN MORGAN: The skill you need to have is patience. Look, Warren Buffett, if you take away. Charlie Munger just died. I was reading a thing about him. If you take away five stocks from Warren Buffett, he’s not Berkshire. But what Warren Buffet will teach you is, it’s patience. I was very patient building this thing. I was building my business. When you invest, you need to be patient. You know, index funds, tax free bonds. Be very patient. Instead of playing the short game, play the long game. Because once it starts happening, the power.

I started banks in the 80s. I was, you know, 27 years old. I sold those banks. I turned into Center State Bank. We sold it to South State. I’ve never sold a share. But when we’re building, when I did those banks, the power of compounding interest is people don’t understand it. That’s why these credit card companies, you know, 1.5% of money, okay, that’s 18%, that’s a tsunami. So you got to understand that.

But I would say patience. A lot of people want to make be rich fast. And you look around and they’re driving in a Lamborghini and they got a hot chick in the front seat and they got a big penthouse. And then all of a sudden, one day, it’s all taped up. The Lamborghini was rented, the girl was rented. They had nothing. It was all an illusion. And so I didn’t want to kid myself.

I’ve never had one of those great offices. I used to tell people, look, I live, I work in B buildings and I live in an A home. I don’t need. I love that. Yeah, I don’t need. I mean, an office isn’t. I mean, I could do it here. I could work here in Maui. When I built my house in Maui and my guest house in Maui, I didn’t even build an office. I just set out back and watched the whales with the computer and my music going. And you don’t need, you know, you don’t need that. All that TI and the big rent. No. So I’ve always been working B buildings, live in A plus houses. But you got to be patient.

Collectibles and Possessions

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Tell me the dream. What’s the. What are, what are, you know, two, three possessions you have of, like, unique things that you collect, you own that makes you feel like you’re 13, 14 years old. I own certain baseball cards. When I’m holding them in my hand, I’m back to being 14 years old. What do you have where you say this, you know, letter, you know, from this card or this painting or this card. What do you have that.

JOHN MORGAN: Well, one of my heroes in life is P.T. Barnum. And so one time I got an autograph, a famous autograph from P.T. Barnum. You know, I like that. I got that hanging at the wall at the beach. That’s cool. I wish I had baseball cards. My dad moved and I had these bags of baseball cards that I probably could have retired on. He threw them away. I mean, I had Mickey Mantle. Oh, my God. I had Mickey Mantles with the left back. I mean, I had Mickey Mantle.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I had 52, tops.

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, yes. I had them all. I’m like, I had rubber band, the whole team. Philippe Alou, Matty Alou, all of them. I had them all. When I watched that show Collectibles on Ken Golden. Yeah, I love that show.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: He talked yesterday. He’s a good guy. Have you guys ever spoken?

JOHN MORGAN: No, But I was fascinated by that guy. But I kept thinking, d*, my dad threw away. No telling what he threw away. I said, why? Why are we going to do with them? But the possessions I have, I don’t have anything like that. I wish I had those baseball cards and go to see Ken Golden. You know, for me, it’s. It’s just pictures. It’s just moments. This week, you know, I took a picture. I had dinner two nights ago in Orlando with Bill Clinton.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: And how’s he doing?

JOHN MORGAN: Fantastic, Fantastic. He was on his way to Jamaica to. For the hurricane relief.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Does he still have the charm? Does he still have the.

Bill Clinton Stories and Political Relationships

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, listen, we went to the restaurant at 7:30. We left at 12:30. So they had—I mean, there was nobody in there but us. At the end we got—I said, I brought Terry McAuliffe. He was with him. The old governor, Terry McAuliffe. Oh, wow.

And so I go, I said, “Y’all want dessert?” So they go, well, and all of a sudden we get some port and get some dessert and we closed the place.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Let me tell you a crazy story about Bill Clinton. He’s the first president I shook hands. I was 15 years old. I was working at Häagen-Dazs at Glendale Galleria. And he came down, he was campaigning for something. And I put my hand out and he shook me.

JOHN MORGAN: I’m like, I just shook Bill Clinton’s hand.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Last year we’re in New York. Rob, do you have this or no? Last year we’re in New York and I take my guys to Yankees game. Well, it’s a rain out. I’m like, you gotta be kidding me. I’m trying to find out what date it is if what’s his name is watching. Maybe text Vinnie to see when we went to—what’s it called? When we went to New York.

So Yankees game is canceled because of rain. We said, we go to this place to go, what do you call it?

JOHN MORGAN: Bowling.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So we go to this bowling alley and I start talking to Vinny and Tikran. Vinny’s a comedian, guy that he spoke. Yeah, he’s phenomenal. Everybody loves him. And we’re outside and we’re inside and Tikran and Vinny say, “If there’s one person you would like to interview on the podcast that you would like to speak to, who would it be?”

I said three names and the third name?

JOHN MORGAN: John Morgan. Who are the other two?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I said John Morgan.

JOHN MORGAN: Let’s do four.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, I said John Morgan. No, I said Putin was one of the names, but I said Bill Clinton. You ready for this? Five seconds after I said Bill Clinton, Vinnie—I’m looking at Vinnie and Tikran this way, they look this way. They say, “Get the f* out of here.”

So what do you mean? “Look who just walked in.” Oh, I looked to my right, Bill Clinton just walked in.

JOHN MORGAN: Serendipity.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I walked to the side. The Secret Service says, “Hey, Patrick, I know who you are. Hang tight, let him finish up the conversation. We want you to talk to him.” So I go up to him, we had a good 15 minute conversation together for 30 minutes. He just walked around talking to everybody.

At this age, you’ve been around him, you’ve been around Biden, you’ve been around both of them. Does he seem stronger now, even stronger than Biden was the last couple years?

Clinton’s Mental Sharpness and Work Ethic

JOHN MORGAN: It’s funny you should say that because once we got into the port at Chathams, I said to him, I said, “Look, you’re Trump and Biden’s age that they were.” I said, “Let me ask you a question.” You know, he’s got a tremor in his left hand. And I said, “Do you think you could be president now?”

He said, “Yes.” He says, “Yes, I could do it.” He said that last night, Wednesday night.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wednesday night, Wednesday night.

JOHN MORGAN: And he said yes. And he said, “Now I will tell you I would have to pace myself a little bit differently.” He goes, “Look, I put in hours.” He goes, “My staff used to say to me, I’m making less than minimum wage the hours that I’m putting in as president.” He says, “I could put in, you know, more than Reagan.”

But he said yes. He said yes, he believed. And let me tell you something, we sat there for what, five hours? And we could—I mean, we had to finally leave because the staff, you know.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Five hour conversation, dinner. And he was good, he was flowing.

JOHN MORGAN: Flowing, flowing funny, telling all the stories. And I’ll tell you what he told me once years ago, and he’s been so good to me. One time I asked him, we were headed to an event. I said, “Give me one piece of advice,” like you asked me a piece of advice. I said, “Give me one piece of advice.”

He said, “Okay, whether it’s business or politics”—this is going to go to your story—he said, “Every time you meet somebody, do this. Treat them like there’s an election tomorrow and you’re running and they’re voting. Treat everybody like that.” He says, “I call that one at a time.”

So what you saw that day was Bill Clinton one at a time.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Got to give him respect for that.

JOHN MORGAN: Yes.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I mean, now, what would you say about his wife Hillary, the relationship with her versus the relationship with Bill?

JOHN MORGAN: My relationship with Hillary? Well, look, I mean, you know, much closer to Bill.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Got it.

JOHN MORGAN: Much closer to Bill. But look, you know, I’ve known him forever and ever. I mean, listen, when he was president, I was at the White House all the time. I was at the best dinners. I was up in the—you know, I mean, I had the time of my life.

I mean, during the pandemic, you know, we were like pen pals. And on the phone at night because everybody was holding up. He’s been so good to me. And the interesting thing about it, my Republican friends, you know, they say, “Now that’s somebody I could still vote for Bill Clinton.” Republicans are good with Bill Clinton.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: No, this is it. Rob, good for you for finding this.

JOHN MORGAN: Vinny sent it to me.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Oh, press play.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah. This was to a bowling alley without my wife. There you go.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Look at that. This shirt with a sunblazer and a Ukraine Plaza. Plaza right there. He literally stayed like that.

JOHN MORGAN: John, that’s—look, that’s one at a time. That’s what I just said.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. No, he’s phenomenal in that area. I read a story one time about when he first ran for office. He had 20,000—now, this is second, third story to me, so it’s not direct from him—is he had 20,000 names that he had collected over the years. He sent cards to all of them saying he would like their support to run for office.

And then, boom, he goes and beats Senior. Is he after Senior? Yeah, he beat Senior because Ross Perot, that’s the Ross Perot. George was senior himself. And Ross Perot. And that debate, the way he handled that debate with the lady, an African American lady, asked the question, “So how does the national debt affect—how does it affect you?”

He crosses his arms and he listens to her, and he goes into his message that he gives. The guy is—the guy is.

JOHN MORGAN: By the way, when he left office, that’s the last time we had a balanced budget and a surplus. He used to say this when we go to do speeches. He’d say, “Vote for a Democrat and live like a Republican.” That’s a Harry Truman quote. But that’s—he was.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What does that mean?

JOHN MORGAN: Well, his deal was this. Everybody thinks you got that prosperity comes through the Republican Party. His—Harry Truman’s point was this. When you look at big hunks of America where prosperity was really pretty good. Bill Clinton’s eight years wasn’t bad.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: No. But Bill Clinton today wouldn’t be a—today’s Democrat.

JOHN MORGAN: No.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You know that.

JOHN MORGAN: No. Now, when Hillary was running. When Hillary was running, I was like going crazy because I’m like, “What are you doing? You got to fight this whole socialist.” So I call Robby Mook up. I said, “Robbie, we got—you gotta hit back on socialism.”

And he said, they’re getting ready to do the caucuses in Iowa. He says, “John, the Des Moines Register that has that 43% of all caucus goers identify themselves as socialists.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow.

JOHN MORGAN: And so I said, “Well, forget I called.” But no, he wouldn’t. He would have trouble navigating inside of the Democratic Party today because—

PATRICK BET-DAVID: How would he be a Republican today?

Political Identity and Party Evolution

JOHN MORGAN: Well, look, I’m not a Republican, but I’m not a Democrat anymore. When they put the “Democratic socialist” at the end of “Democratic.” Because I was a Democratic capitalist. And to me, socialism is—is the opposite of why we’re great.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Why were you a Democrat when you were a Democrat? Why were you one?

JOHN MORGAN: I was a Democrat. Probably. Probably because I was a trial lawyer. Because, you know, it was back in the day, I mean, Republicans just wanted—now look, now when we do juries, we take juries. We want MAGA. We want MAGA jury.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Why is that?

JOHN MORGAN: They’re mad. They’re angry. They’re ready to—they’re ready to punish the man. And it used to be, you know, because now there’s—there’s basically four parties. Yeah.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Accountability, like from a standpoint of accountability.

JOHN MORGAN: Yes, because they’re—they’re not. A lot of MAGA are not—they’re not RINOs.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: No, for sure they’re not. Right.

JOHN MORGAN: They’re not stand RINOs. They can’t stand RINOs. I don’t know. What are you?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I voted for Trump twice. Three times.

JOHN MORGAN: But are you full MAGA or are you sure?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: No, I would say I am a—I’m a conservative capitalist.

JOHN MORGAN: That’s me, that’s what I meant.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: But I also have some independent ideologies as well.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah, like, look, I’m pro-choice, but I’m not a socialist. I mean, I really believe there’s a place in the middle for people like you. Look, in this state, I ran two constitutional amendments. One, to legalize medical marijuana and two, to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

And everybody’s like, “You’re not”—because you had to get 60% of the vote. And everybody said, “Well, you’re never going to get it. You know, you’re a romantic.” One guy told me, the guy that started Progressive, I lost the marijuana the first time, but then I came back and did it in a presidential year and passed it with 73%.

Minimum wage was a harder lift for me because that’s a harder issue. And I did it. I phased it over time and everybody said, “There is no chance in hell of this happening.” And I passed that with 63% of the vote.

Here’s what those two ballot initiatives told me. Most of us agree on most things. When you take the D and the R down, just, you know, “Hey, legal marijuana.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: True. Yeah, very true.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah. So I think that, you know, what we really need in America, and I don’t know if it’ll ever happen, is we need a third party because nobody’s compromising on either side. The thing about a third party, if you had a third party, they could be kind of the—”We’ll go this way this time, we’ll go that way this time.” But you know, this two party system is so tough in America.

The Third Party Question

PATRICK BET-DAVID: If Trump ran as an independent, he could have won.

JOHN MORGAN: No, you need the apparatus. You need the RNC. Look, Trump.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So then—forgive me for interrupting. No, no. So then what you’re saying is you have to choose one of the parties. If you ran as an independent, you won’t be able to win because you have to choose one of the parties is what you’re saying.

JOHN MORGAN: I think so. Unless you’re a very special person, unless you’re very unique. Like I believe Mark Cuban, not on a national level, but maybe in a state level. I believe like once upon a time, Jesse Ventura the wrestler became the governor of Minnesota. So it can happen.

But you need like, could Arnold Schwarzenegger done it as an independent? Maybe that apparatus, when you know, look, remember when Mitt Romney said 47% and screwed himself by saying that the recording.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Was leaked, the door was slightly open.

JOHN MORGAN: But the point is this, no matter who’s running. 47, 47, it’s a jump off. It’s the 6% decide. I’d like to make that 6% bigger if I could.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: It got bigger.

JOHN MORGAN: It got bigger in the last five years. I asked Clinton one time. I said, “Do you think you’d have”—he takes very—he takes offense to this, by the way. “Do you think you would have won if Ross Perot had not been in that”—the election you talked about?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What a question.

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, yeah, great question. Oh, yeah. You know what he said? Yes, he would have still won. Really?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What’s his argument?

JOHN MORGAN: I forget because I wasn’t buying it. I mean, Perot got like 18%.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: He did, yeah.

The Ross Perot Factor

He put.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: And by the way, you know, in seniors documentaries that they did. Rob, what senior is it called 41? There was a documentary about George Bush senior. I think it’s called 41. Is it called 41? Yeah, it’s called Bush 41. Do you know and try to find this. Rob, a question is asked at the end of the documentary about Ross Perot. Have you seen how he answered?

JOHN MORGAN: No.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Oh, you have to see this. Now that you brought this up, if you can find the ending, just type in Bush 41.

JOHN MORGAN: You’re encyclopedic, dude.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, no, I’m interested in this a lot. If you Type in Bush 41. Documentary, just type in documentary right there. If you see this, you see where is that in the documentary? Oh, man, I wish we could find it. So at the end of the documentary.

JOHN MORGAN: Text it to me. So I’ll text it to Clinton in Jamaica.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, I’m going to text it to you right afterwards. I’ll find it. I’ll text it to you.

JOHN MORGAN: Okay.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: But when you see it, they ask him about Ross Perot at the end of the documentary. And Rob, maybe try to do it on ChatGPT or something and see if you’ll find where it’s at. They ask him, and he snaps at the report, at the person doing the documentary said, “I don’t want to talk about Ross. I don’t want to talk about that. I don’t want to talk about him.” He was furious. They stopped the interview. It was the only time in the documentary that he got upset because to him, he believes he would have won if it wasn’t for Ross being in there. Now, obviously Bill disagrees. I’d love to see what I’d love to see.

JOHN MORGAN: You know, I can’t even remember how he. Because he’ll explain when he answers. He didn’t explain. So he did explain it to me. I forget exactly what he said, but I kind of tuned out once. He said, “I would have won.”

Political Donations and Relationships

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Who have you given the most to over the years? You’ve given to a lot of people, Presidents. Who have you given? I think you were one of the bigger donors for Obama. So you got Obama, Clinton, Hillary, Biden.

JOHN MORGAN: Biden was on life support. And when he was, you know, there was really. They couldn’t even get anybody to go on the record for him. And so I helped Biden a great deal. And, you know, they’ve all been to my house. They’ve all been to my house. At a certain point, the politician I was closest to, the politician that I chummed around with, was Teddy Kennedy. And that was my guy. You know, we’re just in my bedroom at my house. I call it the Teddy Kennedy suite, because that’s where he would stay. And when he’d come down here or down, you know, up to Palm Beach, we were just bonded.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Why?

JOHN MORGAN: I just think we were just these two Irishmen that clicked. We just clicked. And he’d call me and just shoot the breeze. My son worked for. My son worked for him one summer in D.C. and I called my son, I said, “How you doing?” He’s fine. He was 18. I said, “Where are you in the office?” I said, “Is Senator Kennedy there?” He says, “I think so.” I go, “Mike, for God’s sake. I mean, he’s either there or he’s not there. What kind of answer is that?” He goes, “Well, I can smell cigar smoke.” Got it. I go, “Mike, you can’t smoke cigars in a federal building.” He said, “Daddy, who’s going to tell Teddy Kennedy to put out the cigar?”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: He was in 43. What was it now? 41 years. I don’t know how long he was in there. He was in there for a minute.

JOHN MORGAN: When he had his final birthday party. When he had his final birthday party at the Kennedy Center. I picked Bobby up at the airport. Bobby and I went and picked Ethel up, and he had me seated in the box right next to him.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Bobby Jr. Bobby Kennedy Jr. Yeah.

JOHN MORGAN: He was in my firm before he went to the cabinet. RFK Jr. Yeah, see, he was in your firm.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Environmental lawyer.

JOHN MORGAN: What.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What did he do for you?

Bobby Kennedy Jr. at Morgan & Morgan

JOHN MORGAN: Big mass torts, you know, gas spills, oil spills. The Palestine. The Palestine. East Palestine train case.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: How good of a lawyer was he when you had him?

JOHN MORGAN: Well, there’s three types of lawyers. There’s finders, minders and grinders. Bobby’s a finder. I do a town hall with Bobby Kennedy in East Palestine, which was interesting because that’s Trump country. And this is before, you know, we sent Bobby to do a town hall in East Palestine. We signed up all the cases. Bobby’s a Pied Piper now. He’s very, very smart and he’s very good in trial. But you don’t want Bobby doing the nitty gritty, the discovery because he. He tends to wander.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s the Grinder.

JOHN MORGAN: That’s the Grinder.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So he said finder. Minder. Grinder, yes. What’s the middle one?

JOHN MORGAN: The finder is the person who brings. The minder, oversees the Grinders.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Like a project manager.

JOHN MORGAN: Yes. Okay.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Got it. So the Grinder does the due diligence, the research, the calling, the finding out what’s going on. What do you know about this? What do you know about that?

JOHN MORGAN: The minder oversees the.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What’s the most important?

JOHN MORGAN: Well, there’s no food without the hunt. You got to.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So the finder makes the most money.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah, got it. Bobby. When Bobby, you know, we had to do a lot of disclosures because the last year he was with me made 10 million bucks.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Bobby made 10 million with you last year?

JOHN MORGAN: His last year with me.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Great. What year was. What year was that?

JOHN MORGAN: It was. It was right before.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow.

JOHN MORGAN: Don’t hold me that exact number because it all. Still.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: He made multi nine figures.

JOHN MORGAN: It’s in the. When he got. When he got confused, it was. I had. I had to file. And he also had to, you know, because he was owed money on other cases, but he had to not take that once he took this position.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So really, you can’t even take the payments for old work you did?

JOHN MORGAN: I just. I just signed the document. I did what he.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What a weird law.

JOHN MORGAN: Like, I closed the deal and there’s.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: More work coming in. I can’t get paid for work that I did when I wasn’t a public servant.

JOHN MORGAN: I agree. I said. Bobby, I respect. Reluctantly agree.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Listen, we will gladly follow.

JOHN MORGAN: We got to be ethical, honey.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: We saved $2.8 million.

JOHN MORGAN: We’re going to have a big Christmas now. Bobby got confirmed and I saved a lot of money.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That is so funny. So how about on the Republican side? Who were you close with on the Republican side?

Republican Connections

JOHN MORGAN: Well, I’m close with everybody. Listen, Danny Perez from Miami, the speaker, having lunch with him Monday. I’m very close with Wilton Simpson, who was this president of Florida Senate. Wilton’s Agriculture Commissioner. Now I’m his personal lawyer. I do. I did all the votes, the voting stuff for him when he was Senate president. I became close with Jeb later in life. I’m an investor in Jeb’s fund. But I wasn’t a Jeb guy when Jeb was, because Jeb was a big tort reformer back in the day. I’m very close with. I’m having a fundraiser in a couple of days for the incoming speaker and. Who else am I? I mean, look, Pam Bondi was, you know, dated a guy in my firm. I mean, we partied like rock stars together.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: With Pam Bondi?

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, hell, yeah. Gasparello. We can’t even talk about it. We can’t even talk. We can’t even talk about it. But we loved her, and she was very good to my kids. And my daughter had a store, Violet Clover. And Pam would come over and buy stuff. She dated a guy my firm, named Billy Howard. They were just. They loved each other, but they were always in fight. Billy drank too much. And, you know, Pam would call me, “Billy, you got to get. You got to.” I finally intervened.

Pam called me one night, said, “John, Billy was laying in the street in Ybor last night. We couldn’t. The cops had to pull him in.” I took. I went over after Pam called me, I went over and intervened. Billy, I said, “Dude, look.” You know, because I drank too much myself. So it was like, you know, I said, “Look, I know I shouldn’t be the guy intervening, but you’re going to f* kill yourself.” And he says, “What do you want me to do?” And I said, “I want you to go to AA meeting. 90 days. Every day for 90 days.” And I said, “But I don’t care if you do. I’m just telling you what I think you should do.”

Billy Howard has been. He had one relapse. He went to Vegas once and fell off. Fell off The West. He had a little interruption.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: One is not bad.

JOHN MORGAN: One is not bad. But he had to get a new chip. But Pam Bondi’s called to me, save Billy Howard’s life. Wow. And I think to this day, she’s got boyfriends and stuff, but I think to this day, she loves Billy Howard. Pam, if you’re watching. I mean it.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is she married today?

JOHN MORGAN: She’s got a boyfriend.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Oh, she’s got a boyfriend. But she loves Billy Howard.

JOHN MORGAN: I think so.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is Billy still with us?

JOHN MORGAN: Billy’s still with us. Billy’s thriving.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Really?

JOHN MORGAN: And he’s a baseball coach. Okay, good. Billy’s thriving. Good for Billy Howard. And he’s still. You know, he told me that he was at Walgreens a few months ago and he ran into Pam over in Tampa. But look, back in the day, when Pam was a state attorney, you know, she’s a trident at University of Florida, you know, during those days. So she’s hot. But her and my children were all close. She was very close with my family. So I’ve known her, you know, way back.

As a matter of fact, when she was running for Attorney general, I had a guy working in my firm who Charlie Crist picked his lieutenant governor, Jeff Codkamp. And Jeff was saying some stuff about Pam that was not necessarily true. And Pam called me hysterical and was like, you know. And I went publicly and said, “No, this did not happen.” And I had to refute Jeff, who was a Morgan and Morgan lawyer. But I said, “No, that did not happen.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Did you call Jeff and tell him what he.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah, I said, “Listen.” He goes. You know, he said something like. And I love Jeff. He’s from Kentucky, like me. We follow Kentucky basketball. You got the Kentucky blue on. But I said, “Jeff,” he said something to me, “John, this is a blood sport.” I go, “Well, I ain’t f* lying.” And Pam called me from a hotel room in Jacksonville, Florida, and I stomped it out. And Jeff lost, and Pam became Attorney General. Wow.

Pam Bondi and the Epstein Case

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow. Well, I mean, Pam is one. I’ve met her once at the inauguration. Beautiful. And she’s got a tough job right now. She’s got a lot of heat right now with the handling of Epstein. And what happened with that? They had a victory yesterday. What was the thing that they got right yesterday, Robert?

JOHN MORGAN: The pipe bomber.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: The pipe bomber that came back that it was.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah, I saw her on national news last night. She was announcing with Cash Patel.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: She was with Cash and a couple other guys that were there together. Did you ever do anything with Epstein? Did you ever run into Epstein or.

JOHN MORGAN: Hell, no.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay.

JOHN MORGAN: But, you know, she’s dealing with that. Listen, here. Here’s what we know. Trump’s Commerce Secretary. I don’t know if he went off script and said he goes, “Look, Jeffrey Epstein is a blackmailer.” What was his talent, really? Video. Right. Video leverage. That guy that owns the Limited and all, and Victoria’s Secret. What did Jeff Epstein bring to him?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Lex Wexner.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Gave him a 77,000. Largest private residence in New York.

JOHN MORGAN: Larry Summer.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: $54,000. I’m sorry. It’s a $77 million property.

JOHN MORGAN: But Howard Lutnick said it, and he was right. Jeffrey Epstein was a blackmailer. And, you know, no telling what he had on all these people. I think Bill Gates got divorced. I think Melinda Gates. I don’t know this, so don’t—

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, she said it in the interview. I’m sure you’ve seen the interview.

JOHN MORGAN: I don’t see this. I don’t want to be sued for slander.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, I know a good law firm if you’re looking.

JOHN MORGAN: We know how to do slander. But Bill Gates, you know, Bill Gates loves women. Bill Gates. You ready for this? You ready for a little fun fact? When Bill Gates married Melinda Gates in his prenup, we’ll go back to the beginning. Then he could go off for one week a year with his old girlfriend.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Stop it.

JOHN MORGAN: Yes. Google that. Stop. Yes. Yes. Google that, Vinny. Wow. How would you—how would that go over at home with mama?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Baby, if you’re watching. No, we didn’t have that in our—in our prenup.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah. I can go off one week a year in perpetuity with my old girlfriend.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Why would she agree to that?

JOHN MORGAN: Money. Melinda Gates. When you read their story, she was acting like she met him in the parking lot and didn’t know who he was. And she worked at Microsoft. I mean. No. No. I don’t believe you, Melinda. I believe that you parked next to him on purpose. And she dated Beau Wrigley at Duke. I mean, she’s looking. I mean, there’s people that are looking for money.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So you think she was—she was a gold digger?

JOHN MORGAN: I think so. Wow.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yes. Is that the one that had an annual tradition with his ex-girlfriend, software entrepreneur Ann Winblad, to spend a long weekend together each spring at her beach cottage at the Outer Banks. A practice he maintained with his teen—with his then wife. Wow. Melinda’s agreement, which involved activities like dune buggy riding, walking on the beach, and discussing technology and life. A tradition.

JOHN MORGAN: I’d like to know what went on that dune buggy. I’d like to know what went on. They’re calling—they’re calling it dune buggy. I call it something. I saw it. Buggery. I call it. I call it dune buggery. Look up. Put the word buggery up there on the—put buggery up there on the screen.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, well, maybe.

JOHN MORGAN: I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m just saying. I just—I just report the facts.

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JOHN MORGAN: One girl was crying. She was crying.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: She was shaking. She was crying. She was shaking.

JOHN MORGAN: I was like, I can’t. Are you Ringo Starr?

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Of course, after Christmas, shipment is coming. That’ll be here New Year’s. These things, we can’t even keep these on the shelves, to be honest with you. With the shoes, once you put them on, just go read the reviews. With people reading reviews, when writing reviews, when they bought them. Once you put them on, you’ll realize why this has become as hot of an item for us as we expected. It took us two years to do this.

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Epstein’s Blackmail Operation

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So as you have in these many lawyers, did any of them run into Epstein? Did any of them call and say, listen, I got this thing? Nothing. Nothing that came through your firm?

JOHN MORGAN: Nothing. Got it. Yeah. Very interesting. We just tried a case now. We tried a case. We had a verdict against Google a couple of weeks ago in San Francisco. We got a $500 million verdict, but the lawyer we tried it with was David Boies, and Boies is—Boies, David Boies, Boies Schiller. He’s representing the girl who just committed suicide. So Boies has a lot of those cases, but I did not get any of the cases. And I never knew Jeffrey Epstein.

Got it. And by the way, Bill Clinton was never on the island. He told you this many times. He was never on the island.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: He’s on the flight log, though, isn’t he?

JOHN MORGAN: Listen, he was on the planes, but—

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Never went to the island.

JOHN MORGAN: Never, never.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: He is like the main name that gets dropped with the picture. So I will tell you one thing.

JOHN MORGAN: Well, he’s the main name, but Trump’s a main name, too. And Trump says he was never on the island. So there’s two main names that people want. Trump, Clinton, Trump, Clinton, Trump, Clinton. And that’s what gets clicks.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, but there’s a big difference. And I’ll tell you what the big difference is.

JOHN MORGAN: Okay, here we go.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So I had Michael Wolff on. I don’t know if you know who Michael Wolff is. You know who he is. Okay, so I had Michael Wolff on, and we’re sitting, having a conversation. We talked on the phone many times. And I said, okay, so what was it like? Because he has a hundred hours of recorded conversation with Epstein at his place at the property that Wexner gifted him.

I said, okay. I said, is there a painting of President Clinton with a blue dress on? I asked him that question. He says, yeah, there is. I said, really? Yeah. In Epstein’s suite. Yeah, there is. Yeah.

JOHN MORGAN: Where?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Right next to the bathroom. Why would there be a painting of the President with a dress on in his—in his place? He said, I don’t know. I said, I don’t know.

JOHN MORGAN: So you saw the painting. It’s like a—it’s a joke. I mean, he’s in a dress. Yeah, there he is. But, you know, look what Epstein, he sold himself as an influencer, that he can connect you. And I know Clinton and I know Trump and I know the Prince and I know Larry Summers, and he did all this, and then he got some of them in his web.

And I believe that Howard Lutnick, or whatever his name is, is correct. Jeffrey Epstein. Look what he—look, this guy was like a teacher. Math teacher. A math teacher in some bullshit school that he got fired at in New York City. I mean, this was no tax whiz.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You think he was part of the Mossad? You think he was like a—

JOHN MORGAN: The Mossad?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. Intel.

JOHN MORGAN: No, I just think he was—I think he was a lone wolf that just got out there.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You think he sold intel to CIA and to Mossad and others?

JOHN MORGAN: Well, I think anything’s possible with that guy, but I don’t even know how he made so much money. And how did he make the ask from Leslie Wexner? Because it wasn’t just the house the guy gave him.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Did you ever do any kind of things with Leon Black?

JOHN MORGAN: No, but, you know, we won’t hear from him much. I mean, his brother-in-law, Tony Ressler, who has his own company. I met him at Grant Hill’s. He’s his brother-in-law. I met Tony at Grant Hill’s NBA Hall of Fame induction. But, no, I mean, I’ve never done anything with Leon Black. Tony Ressler, the brother-in-law, and his son. Tony Ressler’s son’s very good friends of my son Dan, who you met.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Got it. Got it. The guy with the nice sports coat that he has, he doesn’t wear the royal.

JOHN MORGAN: The zoot suit, I call it.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. So when you hear the stories about him, when he says he paid $170 million of consulting to Epstein, I’ve never heard of—I mean, have you—you’ve done tens of billions of dollars of engagements, right? Have you ever had a client pay you guys $170 million in legal fees?

JOHN MORGAN: Not voluntarily. Okay. That’s a different story. I settled the Hawaiian fire case for $4 billion this year.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: $4 billion.

JOHN MORGAN: So I’ve had some big fees, but no, look. $170 million. Just think about that. $170 million. I mean, look, I had a—my mentor in life was a guy named Bill Demetrius, Lebanese guy. And he said something to me one time that, you know, people think. And he said to me, “Remember this, John? If money will solve a problem, solve the problem.”

So, look, Epstein goes with this blackmail to whoever and says yes or no. And then they say, if money will solve a problem, I got to solve this problem, because I don’t care what. Epstein ain’t worth $170 million. He ain’t worth $17 million. But if you got a bunch of pictures with people pissing on you nude and orgies, and you got billions and billions, and think of what he could have lost when he was paying it. What if he had let it out at that point in time?

Now, the real question is, would Epstein have ever really pulled the trigger with his blackmail, if that’s what it was.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, maybe Ghislaine has it somewhere, and she’s got a dead man switch, and that’s why she’s safe.

JOHN MORGAN: Ghislaine has everything. Yeah, she has everything.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I wonder who has it. What lawyer has it? How do you do that if she does—if she does have it? Does she call? Does she tell three lawyers that pays each a certain amount of money to keep that if something ever happens to me, leak it? How do you do that if you have that kind of information?

JOHN MORGAN: Well, she’s got two brothers, that I guarantee. If she’s going to tell anybody, she’s going to tell them. But, look, she’s out. She’s in Texas now. She’s got, you know, better—better setup. I mean, look, if she was compelled and we shot her up with sodium pentothal, there’d be a lot of powerful people go down, because she was there for everything. She was the madam. She was the madam. She was the recruiter. She had a deep crush on this guy, and she did everything. She is the deep throat of the Epstein saga.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Probably both meanings. I mean, if you like the Watergate, you know, because she seems talented. Yeah. You hear stuff. There’s one of the documentaries you’re watching about a girl that said they went there to buy purses. They bought a bunch of stuff from her, and then they invited her back up to one of the penthouse places that they had. And so she says, yeah, I’ll come back. She goes upstairs. Epstein comes back in a robe. They’re sitting on a couch. Epstein and Ghislaine take their clothes off. They start making out. They start fooling around. And then they look at her, and they get her involved. She’s like, I didn’t even know what the hell was going on. What they did. The stories you hear, the thing I—

The Epstein Revelations

JOHN MORGAN: Just read recently, which was kind of gross, is that his penis was the shape of a lemon.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What does that even look like? Penis.

JOHN MORGAN: Shape of a lemon. I don’t like it. I don’t want it.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Shape of a lemon.

JOHN MORGAN: It was, like, small.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Oh, that’s what they’re saying.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah. You know, Howard Stern said one time that his penis was so small, it looked like an elevator button. But I don’t know if that’s a lemon or not.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Who said the lemon? Because I saw that. I saw it on New York Post. Who said he had the size of a lemon?

JOHN MORGAN: Everybody, the girls that were with him.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: The girls he had the size of a lemon penis.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah, but small.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So what?

JOHN MORGAN: He might have been a kumquat.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So maybe when he was born, his parents didn’t know if he was a boy or a girl yet. Took like about a year or something to find out. It’s like, baby, maybe this is a girl we just had here. Rob, you’re not going to go any lower, are you?

JOHN MORGAN: No.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is that what I think it is?

JOHN MORGAN: No, it’s the New York Post. I just don’t know what the photo is. Okay, well, have them not show it and go a little bit lower.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Oh, I see what you’re doing.

JOHN MORGAN: He’s got an elevator button.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: It looks like an elevator, but…

JOHN MORGAN: I tell you, that guy on the left, I want to be him. I mean, that guy needs a holster. God, if I was him, I’d have stripped the d* underwear off for that photo. John.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Rob, see who’s the guy on the left? Let’s give him some break.

JOHN MORGAN: He’s going to get a lot of calls on this. He’s going to get a lot of calls.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Honey, John Morgan’s talking about your dangling. He was actually very complimentary. No way, Dave.

JOHN MORGAN: You’re schlong. You’re schlong.

Trump: The Genius Coalition Builder

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What was your… What’s your relation? Because you’ve been complimenting of Trump a little bit lately. What’s your relationship with him?

JOHN MORGAN: Zero. I met him a couple of times at Mar-a-Lago. I think he’s a genius. The way he’s been able to cobble this whole consortium that reelected him by landslide. And he’s… I mean, you know, people, you know, he says he’s a stable genius. He is a genius.

What he’s been able to do with the Christian right, the proud boys, the Wall Street people. I mean, so… And look, what happened with Trump was America had gone so far left. It was going off the cliff. You know, there was reverse discrimination.

And I said this to people, they were like, “What are you talking about?” I said, “This election, this is a race war.” A lot of the MAGA people are like, you know, and now I’ve got two class actions for reverse discrimination.

Because what happened, they went so far to the left with DEI and, you know, inappropriate comments and just so far to the left that it was a correction. Woke. Defund the police. It’s like they did everything they could to lose.

Who says defund the police? What would be one thing you would not want? 411 or 911 to go away. I’ll take my trash to the dumpster myself before I give up 911. Right. But it’s like, who are these people who are telling them to defund the police?

So they went so far, and that had to be corrected. There had to be a reset. You know, Gavin Newsom was like, “We’re going to give everybody $350,000 in reparations.” And Trump understood that the majority of America was not for that.

And every time he would do something, everybody, “That’s it.” I mean, when he went after John McCain, they’re like, “Okay, that’s it.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Done.

JOHN MORGAN: He done.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. Stronger comments about Mexicans. He’s done comments about Muslims.

JOHN MORGAN: You know, he’s the guy. He’s… You know, everybody’s got a crazy uncle at the dinner table that just says s*. Yeah. Like, “I just make Vietnam a rice patty.” He’s the president now.

And guess what? And guess what, here’s the thing about it, like, Venezuela, they know not only is he… He’ll do it and is doing it. So there had to be a reset in this country.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Do you feel confident with him as the president right now, both economically on running a business as well as America being safer?

JOHN MORGAN: Well, I feel like this. He looks… And the records will reflect. I did not vote in the presidential election this year.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: 2024 did not. So you don’t vote for Kamala?

JOHN MORGAN: No. Hell, no.

Why Kamala Lost

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You’re not a Kamala fan? She called herself the greatest candidate they’ve had in a long time.

JOHN MORGAN: Guess what her slogan was. “What’s that for the people?” Now, when they… When he got out of the race, and I said, “Look, I’d already raised $800,000 for the reelect.” And I said, “Can I have it back?”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Can you ask for it back?

JOHN MORGAN: I did. Just because I was ped. And then I said… And I tweeted when it happened, because then Joe Biden said, “Okay, it’s going to be Kamala.” And I said… I tweeted it. “Joe Biden just said, ‘F you’ to the Democratic Party.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow.

JOHN MORGAN: Because it was… As soon as that happened, I knew the election was over. I knew it was over. I’ve been around her. Very annoying. If you look at the debate up in Iowa the first time, I mean, it’s almost like, is she on something? It’s like, what is it?

In the primary, when she first ran, she didn’t get 8%… She got 8% of the vote in California, and then they made her the nominee. So I’m a big anti-Kamala person, but I was so invested. I’ve been with Biden since forever and ever. I mean, I’ve been riding with Biden for a long time, and I really thought that he would be the bridge and that would be that.

But as time has gone on, like Ronald Reagan said, “I didn’t leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party left me.” I understand why the socialism is on the rise because affordability is an issue.

The Minimum Wage Solution

And the one thing that people might disagree with me is I believe that the solution for affordability is a higher wage. And that’s why I spent 10 or 15 million dollars to raise the minimum wage in Florida. Think about this. Federal minimum wage is $8 an hour.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is it $7.20? Or they raise it to 8?

JOHN MORGAN: Whatever.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I mean, what is the federal minimum wage? I think it’s $7.20.

JOHN MORGAN: I think it’s eight, but I don’t know.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You may be right. You would know better than I would. Okay, it’s $7.25.

JOHN MORGAN: All right, listen, dude, I said you were encyclopedic. I didn’t realize. Baseball, minimum wage, lemon d*s, you know, whatever. I’m a Renaissance Boheme, you know.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, that last one threw me off. But all the other ones I would take.

JOHN MORGAN: But yeah, so… So that’s the issue of the day. And it applies.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Affordability, minimum wage.

JOHN MORGAN: That’s what we need. And look, you fix it, though.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So you raise… So what do you do? Even if we take the federal minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour, raise it to 15 bucks an hour, who takes a hit? We don’t take a hit. People in Arkansas take a hit. People in Kansas take a hit. You know, rural areas.

JOHN MORGAN: Why would they take a hit?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I mean, those small business owners.

JOHN MORGAN: Small business owners. Small… Small business owner.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Where the cost of living is… Where houses sell for $140,000, $180,000, they raised the minimum wage.

JOHN MORGAN: That guy’s like, well, look what should happen. And you’re absolutely correct. Do you know Jose Oliva? He was the speaker in Florida. When I was going to do the minimum wage, he came to me, said, “John, don’t… Don’t do it.” He’s got a cigar company down in Miami.

And Jose said, “Don’t do it.” He was very much against it. And I said, “Jose, I don’t want to do it as a constitutional amendment. I would rather you all do it where we could tailor it to the state where we…” Because it’s one single subject. It’s very limited. What you can do.

Like, I would have preferred to have a deal where people 18 and under didn’t have to fall into it. People younger. So what should really happen is state by state by state, they should come in. Because, look, when I hire people to work in New York, I mean, I got an office on Wall Street. A one bedroom studio is $4,000 a month. That’s different.

I just filmed a commercial with John Daly in Arkansas a few weeks ago. Oh, my God.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I bet you guys had a lot of fun. I’d love to see what you guys did off camera.

John Daly: The Legend

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, well, here’s how it ends. Here’s how it ends. So we’re there all day with him. He’s got his seltzer all day. I mean, he’s just slamming them, smoking his cigarettes. We did… Yeah. There we are.

So… But here’s the great part about John Daly. So we finished the shoot, we’re there all day, and my son Matt was with me. He had to run back into this. It’s John Daly’s home course, it’s just a s*hole in Arkansas. I told Clinton about it. He goes, “I got a lot of relatives wherever I was.” We couldn’t even fly in because the runway was too small.

But John Daly, when the shoot was over, Matt went back in the clubhouse, which was kind of like, you know, a bathhouse, just like that pool you used to sell water in. But Matt comes out and he says, “Daddy.” He says, “You’re not going to believe it because John Daly’s in the new Adam Sandler film Happy Gilmore.”

He gets back in the van for us to go to the plane. He goes, “Daddy, you’re not going to believe it.” I go, “What?” He said, “I just went in to get my jacket.” I go, “Yeah.” He goes, “John Daly is sitting on a couch by himself with a bowl of potato chips, watching Happy Gilmore 2 and laughing his a off at himself.”

And I can totally visualize that he was exactly…

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I can see him doing that.

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, exactly. And you ready for this? He’s got a house there that’s his. But he sleeps in the trailer out in front of the house. He doesn’t even go in the house to sleep.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: How entertaining is he?

JOHN MORGAN: Incredible. Incredible. All day long. And the ad ends like this. We’re calling the ad “The Big Hitters.” And the ad ends like, you’re going to like this. The ad ends like this. It’s me and my boy. All my boys were out there with me. And so it’s his son.

So John Daly hits a final shot, he just crushes it and he goes, “Four.” And I look and I go, “The people.” I like that. That’s how the ad is.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I like that a lot. Yeah. And by the way, what happened with you and the Willie? What is it? The Sweet Boat Willie?

JOHN MORGAN: What?

Steamboat Willie vs. Disney

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Am I saying it correctly or no? Can you pull up the Steamboat Willie commercial? I want to know what’s going on with Disney. Are you suing Disney or soon… You play the clip first. Go forward.

JOHN MORGAN: Tell you what I did.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: “This Morgan video was not approved, authorized, or endorsed by Disney.” That is so funny, this Morgan video.

JOHN MORGAN: So here’s what I want. Here’s my goal with ads. Every ad I do, I want it to be so great that the viewer rewinds the TV to watch it again.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: We watch this already a couple times, right?

The Steamboat Willie Victory Against Disney

JOHN MORGAN: Because when you first watch, you’re like, well, he’s going to be sued. How the f* did he get away with this? Yeah. So that’s what I want. I call it Purple Cow. I want to have a commercial. It’s not a brown cow. That’s a purple cow. Makes you stop. Like your guy showing me pictures of him doing dog. Doing animal. Vinny. Yeah, him as a reindeer.

So when the Steamboat Willie IP ran out, so you can only have it for 50 years. And then I started thinking about Steamboat Willie. That would be a purple cow. Yeah. So I was getting advice from all these IP people, like, well, they can still sue you. You got to make sure you make a disclaimer that, you know. And then they were telling me that I had to go spend, like, $75,000 and have a poll, have people tell me whether they thought that was approved by Disney.

It was like they were just going around and around. I went around, around with these different law firms. I finally said, look, here’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to sue Disney. So I filed for a deck action in federal court to say, look, Disney doesn’t have the rights to this anymore. The IP has expired. And after a few months, Disney agreed that I could run this commercial.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So you won.

JOHN MORGAN: I won not settle. You won’t. Is running. And guess what? They’re the same people that with my brother Tim. Wow. When I was 19 years old.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wow.

JOHN MORGAN: I came back. I came back. I didn’t forget. I’m like Trump retribution.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: When is your birthday?

JOHN MORGAN: 3/31.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I’ll be 3/31.

JOHN MORGAN: Aries.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, Aries. Solid. I respect Aries a lot. My dad’s April 10th. I get along with all Aries they’re very reliable, dependable, and they will never forget.

JOHN MORGAN: Loyal.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, very. But my dad is also a vengeance guy. He’s also about retribution.

JOHN MORGAN: And I’m also Irish, so we hold grudges.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: There you go. Well, we’re Middle Eastern. All we got is grudges. You win.

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, God. You win.

Political Ambitions and DeSantis Critique

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So, DeSantis, tell me any plans of you running. Do you have any desire to run? Governor, like you? You’ve said stuff before just to kind of flirting or if you actually wanted to run.

JOHN MORGAN: Here’s how I’m thinking about it. I’ve thought about it. I like it. I like the idea of. Because I think I could do some good. I believe that. I’m not a DeSantis fan. He’s not a John Morgan fan. He’s, you know, he was going, why not?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What do you not like about what he’s done? I think he’s done a great job.

JOHN MORGAN: Tort reform, what he did to property. I’m going to tell you, and nobody’s going to understand till it happens. There’s going to be a hurricane. Here’s how it used to work.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You said that about Jeb Bush as well, right? About 30 minutes ago.

JOHN MORGAN: He was a tort reformer in the beginning.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So tell me about tort reform. Maybe. Maybe four or five years.

The Insurance Industry Problem

JOHN MORGAN: The insurance industry wants to collect money and never pay out in Florida. The way it was before is if the insurance company. If there was a hurricane and your house got blown up. Yeah. And you sue and the insurance company denies the claim or try to low ball you. We would sue the insurance company. We’d go to trial and we would win or we would lose. And we probably won 99% of the time.

The new law that DeSantis brought in was. Now the new law is you don’t get fees. You don’t get anything. If you sue the insurance company and win, all you get is the amount. So let’s say that you need $100,000 to fix your house. So you get awarded $100,000, but the lawyers got to take a piece of the hundred thousand now. And you can’t fix your house.

So you will. We will rewind this tape one day when there’s a massive hurricane, because it hasn’t happened yet. It hasn’t happened yet. But what’s going to happen is there’s going to be a massive hurricane. The insurance companies, look, they are not the agents. They’re great. They’re the guys slapping the bags. The people, the bean counters. They’re there to screw their. The other side.

So I got into it with him over the tort reform for property damage and I think it’s disastrous. And I think that one day. Look, our single greatest asset for most of us is our home. Our number one payment every month is your mortgage. And what, what I don’t like about what happened and look, nobody’s going to know about it. It’s like if there was something about Med Mal. You’re not worried about Med Mal, Right.

Florida’s “Free Kill” Law

Listen here. They tried to pass a bill called Free Kill in Florida, the only state in the country if a doctor kills somebody and that person that they kill don’t have a spouse and have adult children 25 or older, no right to sue, you can’t sue. So the only state. In the only state. Can you.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Can you look, look that up?

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah, look, listen, what is it called? It’s free kill.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Type in. Type in free. Not freak kill. Free kill.

JOHN MORGAN: Freak kill would be Epstein.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s what he did.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah, popped up.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So Florida’s free kill law provide wrongful death that prevents parents of an adult child 25 year old and children from suing for damage in case of medical negligence that lead to death. It specifically denies the right to what.

JOHN MORGAN: The only state in the country. Now what’s the argument for it? There’s none. Insurance donations for presidential runs in new and so think about who does this protect the most? The insurance industry and the doctor. Look, here’s the deal. It’s the only. Now here’s something that’s more outrageous. The Florida House and the Florida Senate, all the Republicans they voted to overturn this. DeSantis vetoed it. Why?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Why?

JOHN MORGAN: Campaign contribution from who? The insurance industry.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Who specifically who?

JOHN MORGAN: You name it.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I mean he’s not friendly with the insurance companies though.

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, look at his campaign contributions.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Can you look up how much money DeSantis got from insurance companies for campaigns? Campaign donations and doctors.

JOHN MORGAN: And doctors. Because all of a sudden it’s called Free Kill for a reason. The doctors. If you’re. If you don’t, the doctor has no liability.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: According to one at least investigative DeSantis Philly political committee has taken $3.9 million contribution from insurance industry players. Got it if one include donations for some programs. January 20th in total from insurance.

JOHN MORGAN: And look and by the way 9.9.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Million two property casualty insurance firms donated a combined of $120 million.

JOHN MORGAN: We don’t even know about dark money. We don’t know about PACs. We don’t know what. We don’t know why.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I think to me I think he let’s let’s put these two. And I want to come to another question with you on DeSantis. These two are issues that you may disagree with. That he’s done and free kill to me.

JOHN MORGAN: Throws me off a little bit, by the way. It threw everybody off in the Florida House. When did that pass this year? He vetoed it and then they had it veto proof. But he got to the Senate president, who didn’t. Who let it roll in. You know, politics. The only state in the union that.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Is very weird to have that.

JOHN MORGAN: It’s very bad.

Property Tax Proposal and Political Maneuvering

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. And so what do you think about what he’s doing with.

JOHN MORGAN: And by the way, on that property stuff, I was saying, look, here’s what you should do. Get rid of the AOB’s assignment of benefits. Don’t let the public adjusters go out and solicit. I mean, I had a lot of fixes. No, because there was a guy who’s going to be the president of the Senate one day, Tom Leak, who works for Charlie Lydecker. You know what? Charlie Lydecker Insurance. Look up what Tom Leak’s net worth is. Leak L E E K when he took office and what it is now. He was the ringleader of this L, E E K. And now he’s a senator and he’s going to be president of the Senate. Look at his net worth since he went to work for Charlie Lydecker.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Do you see it, Rob, or.

JOHN MORGAN: No, I’m looking.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah, because I see it on a different article. So just under a million dollars, and then it went to over $14 million. I see the article. Yeah, I see the article. So he. 14. 1400%.

JOHN MORGAN: And he’s not done. He’s now in the Senate.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Interesting. Okay, so. So for you now, are you. Are you. By the way, same thing’s happening with me as well on that side. I think it’s a virus side. So be careful with that side.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So what do you think about what he just said recently about wanting to get rid of property taxes and, you know, whether it’s Homestead, you know, focusing mainly on Homestead and then trying to find a way to pass the tax on tourism and people that are coming in here. How do you feel about him wanting to get rid of taxes for homeowners or Homestead?

JOHN MORGAN: Look, I’d also like him to give us $5,000 a month as a stipend, too. It’s a gimmick. It’s a gimmick. Of course I would like it. Who wouldn’t? You know what the best word in America is? For marketing. Free. You know what the second best word in America is? Money. You know what the two best words together are in America? Free money.

He’s selling free money. Who can be against it? Listen, my property tax. I got a bunch of houses in Florida, in Hawaii and New Hampshire. My property taxes. Nobody wants property taxes gone more than me. And if there’s a way to do it, I’ll take the free money. I think it’s a gimmick.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: But what’s he campaigning for? Like, what’s the purpose? He can’t do it another term.

JOHN MORGAN: He’s trying to get the. His lieutenant governor propped up to run for governor. Have you seen the ads they’re running for that guy? That’s what it’s about.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: For a minute, everybody was thinking it was going to be Casey.

JOHN MORGAN: Well, I hope Florida derailed her a little bit.

Florida’s Political Future

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Right. So what do you think about Byron Donald?

JOHN MORGAN: You know, I don’t. I know him, and I don’t have. I’m not. I don’t have any relationship. I know this. I hear from my people that DeSantis cannot stand him.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s what I hear as well.

JOHN MORGAN: So, you know. So you got that, too. A lot of people, you know, when you’re a governor for eight years, you don’t want somebody you don’t like. Look, when Rick Scott. When Rick Scott lost or left, he left town because Charlie Crist was the governor. And when Charlie was no longer governor, he came to work at Morgan and Morgan. I don’t know if you knew that.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I didn’t know that.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah, but Rick Scott just left town, you know, so I don’t think that this. The DeSantis can stomach the idea of Byron Donald’s coming in.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Doesn’t sound like you mind that.

JOHN MORGAN: I don’t. I don’t. I’m. Okay, listen. But the guy that I like the most is Wilton Simpson, the AG Commissioner. He and I started a bank together over in Pasco.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Wilton Simpson?

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What’s special about him?

JOHN MORGAN: I believe that he cares about people. I believe he’s a fiscal conservative, but I believe he’s a compassionate conservative.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: And he’s a Republican, apparently.

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, yeah? Yeah. I’m his personal lawyer. Wow.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: And you’d like to see him go? I wouldn’t be upset, but you have no desire yourself.

JOHN MORGAN: The only reason I have it. Look, when you do those campaigns, all the people in the Republic, like when I went to the White House last night, they went and sequestered me in a room, and they. Look at this polling. This is what you could do. You know, I’m kind of a wild card because I’ve been able to be a wild card because I’m not running for anything.

So I kind of say what I think there’s things I would like to do that I think I’d be, you know, I think I’d be way more for the people than what this has been. But the problem is I’d hate to sit into, you know, Florida highway patrol budget meetings.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I mean, I can’t see you doing that.

JOHN MORGAN: No.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: There’s finders, there’s minders, there’s grinders.

JOHN MORGAN: I’ve heard that.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You’ve heard that before. I love.

JOHN MORGAN: I’m going to steal that. I’m going to steal that, man.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You know what I call it? I call it generator, closer, builder. There’s sales guys that know how to prospect. There’s those who know how to close, and there’s those who know how to build great relationship to get more referrals.

JOHN MORGAN: You sound like an insurance guy to me.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I sound like a sales guy. I’ve been a sales guy my entire life. That’s what I know how to do.

JOHN MORGAN: Sell the sizzle, not the steak.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s right. So would you consider yourself more a lawyer, a businessman or a sales guy? Marketing guy. Which one do you rank? Those. Businessman, lawyer, marketer. Business number one is business. What’s two?

JOHN MORGAN: Marketing.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: And then last business.

Building Attractions and Business Ventures

JOHN MORGAN: I play a lawyer on TV. But yeah, I like the marketing aspect. Look, I’m in other people. Listen, I own a billboard company. I built shopping centers. I have Marriott hotels. So I’m a guy. Here’s the thing about me. I don’t hunt. I don’t fish. I don’t understand going out and catching release and ripping a fishes. I don’t. But my son fishes all the time and I don’t go really golf.

So those three things are big, big business, big, big waste of time to me. I don’t hunt, I don’t fish. I don’t play golf. I hunt and fish money. And so I got a lot of free time. So like when I started building my attractions, I built these attractions, these upside down houses all over America. It’s like, hey, I got some time. I’m not. It’s called Wonderworks. I’m not hunting, I’m not fishing, I’m not golfing. I’m going to go build this business and that’s my recreation.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I’ve seen these. This is you.

JOHN MORGAN: Those are me. I’ve seen these all over the place. And then I got another one called Alcatraz. Hey, I have a place I built called Alcatraz East, the history of crime and punishment. The grand finale is Ted Bundy’s VW. Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah, Bonnie and Clyde death car. There’s John Dillinger’s sedan up there on the left. And if you keep going, I got OJ’s Bronco in there.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: The Bronco.

JOHN MORGAN: The Bronco. There it is down there.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: This is what I asked you when I said, what do you have that are unique stuff?

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, this is. Listen, you know what I just bought? I just bought the Murdoch, the golf cart from Murdoch. And I got JonBenet’s bicycle. This place prints money. America’s fascinated with crime and punishment. Fascinated. Movies, TV, CSI. Look at it all.

So I go, what if. And one day I go to Alcatraz in San Francisco, and there’s like, there’s no tickets. I said, why? Two weeks out, I go two weeks out, I pull out a couple hundred dollar bills. I said, are you sure? No, come on. A hundred dollars will solve any problem in America. Usually. Yeah, if you go to a strip club with a hundred dollar bill on your head, you’ll see that.

But so I go. So again, through Alcatraz, these. I was fascinated with it. I keep thinking about it. What if there was an attraction that was the history of crime and punishment? And so I came back and I started working on it, and then I built it.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Where is this at? Is this in Orlando or where.

JOHN MORGAN: Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. Tennessee. I got a Wonderworks. Here’s what I got in Pigeon Forge. I got Alcatraz East, I got Wonderworks. And then I got another. My last concept there is called Downtown Flavortown with Guy Fieri. Just think about this. Just think about this. Guy Fieri meets Dave and Busters. So I’ve got this huge D guy. The guy, he just had a big accident.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: How’s he doing?

JOHN MORGAN: It’s a bad injury. He’s. I told him, I said, we may. You may need me. But so it’s an arcade with his food and it’s right behind my Alcatraz East.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I hear he is like the biggest personality, larger than life.

JOHN MORGAN: And he calls California. You know, he bought a place down in Palm Beach. I said, why are you moving there? He said, I got to get the hell out of Commifornia. He called it California. He called it Commifornia.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah.

JOHN MORGAN: So he bought a place south of in Palm Beach.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: No, he’s a character.

JOHN MORGAN: Oh, he’s a character. He is a big person. By the way, when you said Biden.

The $70 Million Harbor Beach House

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I remember one time I was looking at this house in Harbor Beach, Fort Lauderdale, and the house was on a market for $99 million or $98 million. And I go inside the house. I think the house just sold for, like, $67 million. It just closed for $67 million. And it was in Harbor Beach. Beautiful home. The guy bought five lots, turned it into his house, and. Yeah, that’s the one. $70 million. That’s the one that sold for. I think that’s the one. If you. That’s exactly the one. So $67 million is what it. Yeah, $70 million that it sold.

JOHN MORGAN: Okay. And it was.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: They’re showing me all the rooms. Beautiful place, out of control, just gorgeous. And I go into the master bedroom.

JOHN MORGAN: I’m like, oh, it’s nice.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: It’s an American flag. Big American flag. Well, it was the American flag from inauguration when Joe Biden won, and it was the one that was given to him. And it was a guy, I believe, Sussman.

JOHN MORGAN: Sussman.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Am I saying it correctly?

JOHN MORGAN: I know him.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. He was a big donor to Biden as well.

JOHN MORGAN: He had a place in Portugal.

Why Biden?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: He does have a place in Portugal. What made Biden so appealing for you to get behind him?

JOHN MORGAN: For me, yeah. Because, look, Joe Biden was a guy who went home every night on a train to his family. Everybody else is leading a double life in D.C. I liked his character. I liked the way that he loved his family. Joe Biden, to me, was kind of a Clinton. Listen, Joe Biden was friends. I mean, he got in trouble for talking about, you know, being friends with some Republicans just for that. He was kind of in the middle.

What made him appealing to me was I thought he had a compassionate heart. He was a centrist. But his character. When we first talked about running for president, I was talking to him, and he was.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I said, where are you?

JOHN MORGAN: So I’m looking at the Potomac, and we started talking about Beau. And he started crying. It was, you know, real, real crying. And I felt that pain. And I felt and I heard his pain. And I thought to myself, this is a guy that could feel America’s pain. That’s who I want. I want somebody who’s going to feel our pain. Not the richest people’s pain.

Because when you grow up like I did, you were never, you know, you were the guy that was desperate. And I want somebody that’s going to be. For me, I want to do the most for the most with the least, but within the confines of a capitalistic government.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: How do you think you did as a president? Because a lot of times, you know, they’ll say, Jimmy Carter was a good man but a horrible president. Right? You’ll hear that sometimes, being dropped as he was not one of the better presidents we had the last 60 years, 70 years.

Biden’s Presidency and His Staff

JOHN MORGAN: Well, what he did was. What happened is this. His staff took over. His staff took over by the donors. Look, they asked me recently, how do you think he’s going to do on his presidential library? You know, my answer was, he’ll be lucky to build a f*ing bookmobile. It ain’t going to be no library of any consequence. Why? Because I don’t want to. I was getting ready to say something I’m not going to say, but his staff would not call big people back.

Chris Dodd. Chris Dodd was Biden’s best friend. He couldn’t get him on the phone. He couldn’t get him on the phone.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Who protected that, though? Was it his chief of staff?

JOHN MORGAN: Like, was he. Well, it was Anita Dunn. It was not. Yeah, it was his. It was his chief of staff. It was Ron Klain who insisted on Kamala. It was Steve Richetti. It was Anita Dunn who was moving in and out of politics and going to SD Knickerbocker.

And the reason he’s not going to be able. The reason it’s a tragedy is. And then he became. He had that blind spot for Hunter, you know, he had that blind spot for Hunter, which, you know, because, look, me and him are Irish. We have this thing about our children. But look, Hunter is just a despicable character. His son, Hunter Biden. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. But his deep love for Hunter Biden. I shouldn’t say despicable. He’s an addict. He’s the skid row addict. I mean, if his dad wasn’t president, he’d be a Bowery guy.

Things that they were doing that were pissing me off. When he started selling paintings for $500,000, I mean, that guy couldn’t draw a damn stick, man. You know, people are paying $500,000 for his paintings. It went off the rails. What my hope was was that he was going to put the. Bring the country back to center at the end of the two years, say, go get it. And so I’m disappointed.

And I think his presidency. One thing that’s going to be overlooked in his presidency is the infrastructure bill, which everybody’s got a lot of opinions on the infrastructure bill, but America’s infrastructure is breaking down. And I thought that was a positive thing. And I thought that would be his signature, signature piece, that we’d start getting Wi-Fi in the rural areas, we start putting bridges back. And I believe that Trump’s going to benefit from the lift, from the interest, because there’s a lot that money is still going into there.

Now. What else did he do? Very little. But his staff took charge and they protected him.

The Pardons Question

PATRICK BET-DAVID: And you believe he signed all those. Do you think he believed, approved all those pardons, or you think his staff signed all the.

JOHN MORGAN: I think he approved them. I think he approved them.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I think he approved all of them.

JOHN MORGAN: Listen, I know he. Listen, I have a cousin, okay, Jerry Lundergan, who went to prison and his daughter ran against Mitch McConnell. And Clinton went down and met with Biden to try to get a pardon for Jerry. And Jerry’s a big donor. They wouldn’t give Jerry a pardon. Biden was involved in the pardons. Now all this auto pen, you know, I sign auto pen every day with DocuSign. I mean, what the f* are we talking? I mean, I don’t know.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: No, I do as well. As an insurance guy. We’ve written a million insurance policies. So, you know, for us, there’s going to be so many things, it’s like, boom, boom, boom. But. And I’m not talking to policies, I’m talking about, hey, cutting the check for this, cutting approval for this.

JOHN MORGAN: Do I think. Do I think the real question is, did a staff member pardon and just slide it in front of him?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: No, what I’m saying to you is the following. Obviously, he was not fully there. I mean, I watched the first debate, Jake Tapper, within the first 30 seconds, I’m like, Jake knows what’s going on and Jake Tapper knows that they’re out there.

JOHN MORGAN: Are you talking about the one where.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You’ll see where I’m going with this? I knew he was not in good shape when I saw it, and the world did as well. It’s not like I’m doing anything special. Everybody saw it. But to me, for me to believe that all of those pardons he did, I have a hard time believing that. And neither do a lot of Americans, by the way.

JOHN MORGAN: And listen, with that staff, you know, I will say that, and I will say the same thing about what you said. Look, I went to the White House. I saw him. I went. I saw the State of the Union. I was like, okay, this guy’s okay. Maybe he’s okay. That night, I went to the beach. I made myself a big Maker’s Mark crushed ice, Scotsman ice.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Good for you.

The Debate That Changed Everything

JOHN MORGAN: Little splash of Coke. Emphasis on splash. I got me a big Orville Redenbacher drizzle with butter. I’m like, I’m sitting down for this. And within, whatever he was looking off camera, he looked like a corpse.

I texted Pelosi that right there 10 minutes in, and I texted Nancy Pelosi. And I said, “The election is over. The election is over.” And it was.

And I asked later, I asked some people, I said, “Did he ever go there for a dry run? Did he ever go and check the lights? Who did his makeup?” I mean, if you remember, he was looking over. He wasn’t looking. And you know what the answer was? The first time he stood at that podium was when they wheeled his a out on stage.

And then when the wife came up and said, when the wife came out and said, “You did it. You did it, Joe.” We’re all like, “Yeah, you fing sht the bed, Joe. That’s what you did.”

And, you know, I’m close with his brother Frank. His brother Frank. You know, I helped Frank get his prostate taken out up in Orlando last year. But his legacy was ruined by his staff.

And look, who knows you the best? I own nursing homes in Florida. I got memory centers. When you try to get the keys away from somebody, it’s hard to get the keys away because are they or aren’t they? Are they there or not they there?

What George Clooney saw, another Kentucky guy. I’m better looking than him. We’re both from Kentucky, but George Clooney saw it. Now, we had never seen it because he was being guarded. And I think what happened is the psycho fans around him didn’t want to give up the power and the money and they, and they, and they. And that’s why he got sh*t. That’s why Kamala got shellacked.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yeah. Yeah. It’s this property, by the way, the property I bought, this 11 acres on the airport. I think the previous owner was business partners with Biden’s brother. I think he got in trouble with the system. I don’t know. Whichever one that got in trouble.

JOHN MORGAN: Well, Jim’s an insurance.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Oh, then that’s the one. Jim got in trouble with Jim’s insurance with the previous owner of this place. And I talked to the DOJ. I talked to the FBI. Took me three and a half years to be able to buy this property. I’ve been looking at this property for three, three and a half years.

The Compound

JOHN MORGAN: When I landed here, I’m like, the guy says, “We’re going to go. We’re going to be there in three minutes.” I said, “Hell, we just landed.” All of a sudden, I’m in a car, the gates are pulling up, there’s two big guys. “He want to talk to you.” I’m looking out the window. “What do you want to talk to me? Who are you?” I said, “I’m here for this.” I mean, you got, it’s, this is a compound. Yeah, it is.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: And that’s why we wanted to see.

JOHN MORGAN: I mean, that’s like, is this, is the Mossad running this place? That’s what I took. You know what I said to Dan? You know what I said about, you know, I said to Dan, I said, “I feel like the Mossad.” I said, “I feel like the Mossad is here.” I mean, I said, “How are we here already? We just got off the plane.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That joke alone, you don’t even know what that joke’s going to do to crew here cracking up. Because this property, this was a DOD, CIA property, Iran Contra. The whole weapons was done from this exact revenue.

JOHN MORGAN: I smelled it, didn’t I?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Good for you.

JOHN MORGAN: I said it.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Good for you.

JOHN MORGAN: I said, “Dan, I said, I feel like the Mossad is running security here.”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That is hilarious.

JOHN MORGAN: That last question before, but we left. I mean, we weren’t, we were in the car for three minutes, and we’re pulling in.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s what I love, though.

JOHN MORGAN: I see the Hard Rock Stadium, like, okay, well, how long away is three minutes? All of a sudden, we’re coming through. I thought we were still on the tarmac.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s what I love about it. Tony Robbins comes here on the podcast. He lands on a helicopter, walks in, finish the podcast, get back on a helicopter, goes back home. That’s why we love this whole concept of.

JOHN MORGAN: You know what they call that in real estate?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: What’s that?

JOHN MORGAN: Location, location, location.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: That’s right. And I love it. Absolutely love it. Last question. Okay. Your wife very involved with the, by the way, is this the Ross Perot? You found it?

JOHN MORGAN: I did.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Okay, watch this. He found the clip. Good for you, Rob. Let’s just play that before.

JOHN MORGAN: I’ll offer Rob three times. He’s making here. I’m bringing this away from our team. Whatever you’re paying him is not enough. Rob, let me handle your next contract. Your money.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So, Rob, just so you know, you have John Morgan, you have a Teamster union boss, you have all these people that want to negotiate on your behalf. Go ahead, show this clip.

The Ross Perot Effect

JOHN MORGAN: “The United States of America. We are going to win this election.” Can you describe the year 1992 and what that year means to you?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Defeat, losing to Bill Clinton. Clinton did a great job of campaigning on that. I didn’t get it. I was out of touch and all of that. I don’t want to sound like I’m bashing the press, but there was almost unanimity in the press corps that I should lose and that they were for him, and that makes a huge difference.

JOHN MORGAN: Can you talk a little bit about Ross Perot?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: No, can’t talk about him. Notice that cost me the election. I don’t like him. Other than that, I have nothing to say.

JOHN MORGAN: And that’s harsh for George Bush because he’s a kind man.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: I’ve never, ever. I watched this thing 15 years whenever he came out, and I remember he was not willing to talk anything about Ross Perot.

JOHN MORGAN: Still stung. Yeah, for sure.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: And by the way, I’m sure. I’m sure Bill has seen this. Oh, I’m sure he’s seen this. Yeah, I’m sure he’s. Because, yeah, those two families, they were very close.

JOHN MORGAN: I got invited to, Jeb had a retreat at Kennebunkport this year, and I was going to go, but I had a conflict. I’ve never been there, but I was going to go up just to see history and I’ll go next year.

Advice to Young Men

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Last question. Your family? Four kids, Very successful financially. Nowadays, you see the stats of young men don’t want to get married, don’t want to have kids. Young men don’t know what it is to be a man nowadays like they did maybe back in the days. It’s a massive crisis.

People on the left are talking about it, people on the right are talking about something that they’re all gradually, you know. Scott Galloway the other day was being interviewed by Ben Stiller, and he told Ben Stiller, like, “Listen, men are not having enough sex. They’re having a hard time finding girls, having a hard time making kids, having a hard time with this whole marriage thing.” What advice would you give to young men that are looking for a wife?

JOHN MORGAN: Well, first of all, what you just described is what they call beta boys. You ever heard of beta boys? Of course. Absolutely. That’s who they are.

There are more women in dental school than men now. There are more women in law school than men now. There are more women in medical school than men now. Women are becoming like, in some animal kingdoms. The women rule the roost.

And this whole beta boy thing is a crisis for America because, you know, where are the men? I think in this day and time. You know, I never was around for online dating, and I don’t think I would want to do online dating. I like to go in and, you know, do it live.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You and I both.

JOHN MORGAN: I don’t need that. But at this day and time, people. The people aren’t in bars, drink. People are not drinking. You know, I own a restaurant in Disney Springs called Wine Bar George. And, you know, wine sales are down. And I got one of the great sommeliers, George Miliotis. If you ever go to Disney, call me and let me set up the greatest wine of your life.

George Miliotis is like one of the top grand sommeliers in the whole world. But wine is down, booze is down, People aren’t going out. So what I would say is what I would say to people in business. There’s a book called “Never Eat Alone.” And the concept of the book is if you’re at home, you’re not going to find business.

I would give the same advice to my kids or to these kids. Get out, get out. Network, mingle. Go do something. I don’t care if it’s your church or your temple or wherever. Get out of the house and put the damn Nintendo paddles down and quit gaming in the basement at 25 and living at mom and Dad’s. Get up, get out, get busy.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: As simple of advice as that is, John, it is so profound, you know.

JOHN MORGAN: To you and I.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: We may look at us and say, “What’s the big deal?” It is life changing. I’m in Vegas the other day. Vegas is getting destroyed because they no longer have the traffic they had. Why, you can gamble online. You can swipe right online. You have no reason to go to Vegas. When they say, “Whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas,” whatever happens in Tinder stays on Tinder. Like that. That is no longer like that complicated of a deal of what to do.

Marriage Statistics and Timing

JOHN MORGAN: But the other thing I’ll tell you, interesting stat. My son just got married, Maui. Now, he got off the couch. He was out. He’s a mingler. But this book I wrote that is being edited, “Life is Luck.” I did a thing about who you marry. That’s a big piece of luck.

50% of Americans end up in divorce. 62% of second marriages end in divorce. 73% of third marriages end divorce. But here comes the statistic.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Here we go.

JOHN MORGAN: Whoever gets married after 30, there’s only 4% get divorced. So my advice to these young men is get it out of your system. Get it out of your, get it out of your system. Because a lot of people get it out of their system after they get married. And that doesn’t work. No.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: And by the way, it’s crazy you say that. It’s a lot of times because if you maybe you’re not good with the girls, you get married first, then you get a lot of attention and you never played a lot later on, you’re now getting attention.

JOHN MORGAN: Can you find my son’s bride? Is it on Facebook? Anyway, he got married at 36. They went to Japan for Dan, Morgan and Taissa. That’s me. But, but anyway, when they came back. When they came. Let me see. Is there a wedding picture? There they are. There they are. When they came back from Japan, I said, “Dan, how does it feel not to be a virgin anymore?”

PATRICK BET-DAVID: You said that too.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah. Get it out of your system while.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: In Japan, you can. You know, friends of mine that went to Okinawa in the military, they got it out of their system many times. They almost didn’t want to leave the system in Japan. They wanted to stay there because they got treated so well.

JOHN MORGAN: Yeah, it’s.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: It’s out of control. John, I have to tell you, and I’m being very straight up, one of my favorite conversations of 2025 is you. And I’m being straight up.

JOHN MORGAN: Really?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Rob, how many times have you heard me say this at the end of the podcast?

JOHN MORGAN: Very minimum. I’ve been here four years.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Very minimum. One of my favorite conversations. And I tell you, our guys are like, “Pat, we got to get John. We got to get John.” I’m telling you, you guys can hit it up. Like, “What are you talking about?” He said, “Just trust us.” And then now they were right. One of my favorite conversations of the year.

JOHN MORGAN: Can I ask you one last. Of course, yes. A favor.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Yes.

JOHN MORGAN: Would you have the Mossad take me straight to the class and don’t frisk me on the way out?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: Well, we just make that to make sure we call Adam. Adam will make one phone call to AIPAC and Mossad and they’ll take care of it. But, sir, really, really an honor, really enjoyed it. Thank you. Thank you so much. And by the way, go to Morgan and Morgan, we’re going to put the website for the people will be below. Visit his site. Take care, everybody. God bless. Bye bye, bye bye.

JOHN MORGAN: The FLB shoes.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: By the way, I am officially on. Let me see this. I’m on day 57 out of 58 that I’ve worn these shoes. Love wearing these shoes every single day. I think Vinny’s got it on the other night. We went to dinner. Vinnie was wearing this, this black pants, white shirts with the FLB shoes. We walk into the restaurant, seven girls lined up, waiting to meet with Vinny.

JOHN MORGAN: One girl was crying. She was crying. She was shaking.

PATRICK BET-DAVID: She was shaking the shoes.

JOHN MORGAN: I was like, I can’t. Are you a Ringo star?

PATRICK BET-DAVID: So for those of you guys that are asking about getting the shoes before Christmas for your husband or your sons or your friend, this is what you want to be thinking about. Size, black and brown. Size black and brown. Let me see this thing here from Languor. So those go to partners are what’s available. So size black and brown if you want to get them.

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These things, we can’t even keep these on the shelves, to be honest with you. With the shoes, once you put them on, just go read the reviews. With people reading reviews, when writing reviews, when they bought them, once you put them on, you’ll realize why this has become as hot of an item for us as we expected. It took us two years to do this, Rob, if you want to play the clip on that and we’ll get into the stories, here’s the FLB shoes. Go for it.

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JOHN MORGAN: I love it.

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