Shawn Ryan Show: SRS #266 w/ Dr. Dan Schneider on Spiritual Warfare (Transcript)

DAN SCHNEIDER: So, because we see this—

SHAWN RYAN: And so for anybody listening, I mean, you see it all over the world. You see families of, you know, grandpa was a drug addict, dad was a drug addict, son’s a drug addict and his son’s a drug addict. Dad was a wife beater, son’s a wife beater, that son’s—

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: You know what I mean? It’s homosexuality. It could be anything, you know, fill in your blank.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah, mom was addicted to crack, son was addicted to crack, daughters. You know what I mean? And so you see this everywhere. Yeah, and so I am curious. I mean, so you think this is from a spiritual aspect?

# Three Types of Curses

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, yes and no. There’s basically three types of curses. There’s—we’ll get in later into the preternatural, the preternatural cursing, which is a mockery of the sacrament and sacramental system of the liturgical sacrament system of the Catholic faith.

And so there’s rituals that they do that invoke preternatural entities, which we would call demons. There’s natural, preternatural and generational—those would be the three broad stroke types. It’s like saying there’s three types of sailors, there’s three types of marines, whatever. They all wear the same uniform, but they have a different MOS.

The natural curses have no efficacy. You know, somebody says, “Shawn Ryan’s a jerk,” gives you the finger, you know, somebody tells you you’re number one. My wife says I’m a terrible driver. I drive like I’m still flying a helicopter, she says. So I get told I’m number one a lot, you know. So there’s no agency. There’s no supernatural agency in that or preternatural agency. So natural curses.

But then you have this third category of generational. And we have to think of generational in the sense of inherited. You know, I just met my first billionaire a couple weeks ago on a podcast. Really nice lady. And so inherited as in inherited wealth, you know. So it’s something that travels down the family line as part of the inheritance.

# Curse as Absence of Blessing

And curse, not in the active agency curse, like witches and other things doing curses that are actively invoking foreign deities or demons. But it curses the absence of the protection and provision that comes with blessing.

And so when Jesus, for example, in the Sea of Tiberias, this is what Pope Benedict likened it to, the authority structure of governance. If you have an office, whether it’s head of household, like you and I as a husband and a father, or a priest or a pastor or head of an organization like this organization, you have an obligation with that office to provide and to protect.

And so the two ends of the authority structure of provision and protection. Just like Jesus at the Sea of Tiberias, “Do you love me? Feed my lambs, tend my sheep.” So telling Peter and the church, but it also applies to us. And so to feed, to provide and to tend, to protect.

And when someone commits a grave sin in the familial construct that abuses that authority, particularly we see it in cases of incest—in the case of possession, where the incest was involved, which is particularly egregious—then that family construct now lacks the provision and the protection that comes with blessing.

# Biblical Understanding of Generational Sin

And so there’s a lot of debate, and I’m trying to gauge the debate. You know, there’s some will say, no, God doesn’t mean that anymore. When he said at Sinai, when he gave the law, “I will visit the sins of the father upon the children, right to the third and fourth generation.”

And what’s interesting in that “visit”—you hear that language? It’s like after the show, you hear that I’m badmouthing you and you’re going to say, “I’m going to have to go pay old Dan a little visit.” You know, it isn’t like, “I’m going to go visit with you.” It’s to exact a penalty, a punishment, make satisfaction.

And so in the familial construct, because the children—this is St. Thomas Aquinas—because the children are part of the natural goods of the father, property of the father, the sins of the father, the punishment of the father can fall upon the children.

So there’s two punishments for sin: the spiritual punishment and the natural punishment. So the spiritual punishment, you and you alone pay for your sins. You alone pay for them. But the effect, that’s the spiritual punishment—the effect of the punishment can pass down to the children and that generation. It’s inherited in that sense.

# Real-World Example

And we know that logically. You know, a truck driver stops on his way home and stops over at the bar and he has a couple boilermakers and he gets his drink on, drives home and then commits vehicular homicide. He alone goes to jail for that sin. He alone is punished for that sin.

But he loses his CDL. He’s no longer living at home. Mom now has to go to work to provide. He’s not providing and he’s not there to protect them. That is what the biblical understanding of curse is. It’s the privation of the protection and the provision that comes with blessing.

It’s the effect of the sin. The sin itself, that’s where the misconception is. The sin itself doesn’t pass down. But the effect of the sin, oftentimes it’s repeated though, because the children do have—and there is—some sins are just copied.

Not Genetic, But Spiritual

SHAWN RYAN: This isn’t necessarily some type of a demon or evil entity attached to your genome?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yes and no. The church fathers, some of—

SHAWN RYAN: It’s a reaction to an action.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It’s that you didn’t do. It’s not deterministic. But the effect of the sin carries down and to purify the family of the sin, God allows a demon or an angel to punish the sin.

And the father sits in jail for his truck driving incident, his drunk driving incident, and he sees his children suffer and in that does penance. And the children suffer for the sins of the father and offer their suffering up for the father to break it.

So it’s the effect of the sin and not the sin itself. You know, the sin itself—because we don’t generate a sin in our children. We only generate original sin that we’re all born under. Right. Even original sin is a privation of the blessing and protection that comes with that original man had.

The Punishment of Watching Your Children Suffer

SHAWN RYAN: We have a question though. I mean, so if I commit a sin and I’m punished for that sin and the reaction for the punishment of that sin carries down to my kids, I mean—that is part of my punishment, correct?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Correct.

SHAWN RYAN: Part of my punishment is to have to sit there and watch the effects of my sins tempt my family.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, there’s a tempt—

SHAWN RYAN: Right, right. But so what I want to ask you is, I mean, that would be a tremendous, that would be a horrible punishment for me. It would be worse than sitting in jail watching my kids get f*ed up or, you know, and. But when I think of evil people, when I think of, I mean, we’re going to talk about people that eat babies and cannibalism and human sacrifice and all this kind of stuff on this podcast, when I think of somebody like that, that has that, you know, that could muster up the amount of evil that it takes to do something like that.

I mean, I don’t think that. I don’t feel like that’s a punishment because they don’t care. They don’t care about their kids. They’re molesting their kids, they’re raping their kids, they’re beating their kids, they’re starving their kids, locking them in closets and worse, you know, and so what? And so that’s going to get carried down to that innocent kid and then that innocent kid is going to act the exact same way because the example that was set by his father.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. So there is, there’s always an interplay between nature, nurture, you know, and raising children. Some sins are going to be imitated because they see the father and they compound the father’s wickedness. But we’re talking about something different here. Here we’re talking about the sin itself and the effect of the sin. And so the spiritual and the temporal effect in that.

Even sins that have been made satisfaction for still have a temporal effect. So on the way out, I get upset and I get mad and I smash up one of the cars, you know, and break the windows. I’m upset about something. Shawn was disrespectful to me and I break the windows in your car, right? And you’re a good dude, you’re a good Christian man, and you. All right. I come back, I drive back, say, hey, Shawn, I’m really sorry I broke the windows in your car. Shake my hand, I forgive you, right?

I get back in my car, I start to drive away, but you’re going to say, hey, whoa, whoa, hey, Dan, get your checkbook out. Someone’s got to replace the windows. So that’s the effect of the sin means the satisfaction needs to be made. And it can be made at times, not always. It’s not deterministic and getting into incursions and freemasonic cursing, these other things, sometimes it isn’t deterministic, meaning it isn’t. If this happens, then this will happen. If you do this, this will happen.

It’s all under God’s providence. When God wants satisfaction made for those sins, he looks for someone. When we see people that are possessed, for example, that come to the church for help, you know, we don’t look at it as the God is asking this person to be Christ, to be Jesus Christ in their family, to break this once for all in their family.

So in the satanic families, they’re rare, but they’re out there. But that’s really kind of a different thing. You’re getting into a whole different category. The average person on this topic of an inherited guilt, that’s the technical term, the church, Father St. Augustine really hammered this out when he hammered out the doctrine of the original sin that we inherit. Not necessarily an active poisoning, but also a privation of the original goods that God bestowed on man in his image and likeness.

SHAWN RYAN: Okay.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: And so we inherit original sin. But all sin is going to follow that pattern. All sin follows that same pattern. And the effect of that was separation from God. Right. They get dispelled from the garden. And then the effect on the children. Cain kills Abel, the two sons of Adam, the oldest son kills the second son. And so we see the physical effect of the original sin. I mean, the spiritual effect in the sense they’re separated from God completely.

But then the effect rolls into the family David pattern with King David, the same thing. He commits a grave sin with Bathsheba. The child of that union is died, of that union dies, and a ripple effect falls down into his family. He does penance. God blesses the family. Okay. Does that make sense?

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah, yeah.

The Role of Demons in Punishing Sin

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, it’s, it’s, you know, and the angels, whether it’s a fallen angel. Saint Bonaventure says that God let’s. Why do demons, God allow demons to afflict us? Saint Bonaventure, a good doctor of the church, says to punish sin, to rebuke the sinner, to educate us and to glorify God.

So when we, when we battle these things, these garbage in our family, then, then sin is being punished. The effect of that sin, the temporal effect, the windows are being paid for, so to speak. God is getting. Well, we’re getting educated. Hey, when I have to control this or that, I have to become holier in my Christian life, He’s rebuking us. You know, God is showing us, hey, you’re messing with some things that you should not mess with. And he’s rebuke us to bring us back to the way of truth.

And then ultimately God is being glorified. When we conquer this sin, this vice, this demon that is afflicting our family by God’s allowance to punish sin or we invited it in, then God is glorified.

SHAWN RYAN: When you, when you say, you know, when you’re talking about just a couple minutes ago, you’re talking about a family, you know, somebody that breaks the curse. You need to be, I think you’ve said you need to be Jesus Christ. I need to break the curse for your family. I mean, how. I mean, I’ve seen the curse broken several times, but how do they, I mean, for what you’re talking about, how do they know what to break? Yeah. When, how do they know what cycle, what curse to break?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: I, I might not even realize they’re in one. Right.

Recognizing and Breaking Generational Patterns

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: We recognize patterns in our families. Again, I’m just. You’re just a repurposed operator, and I’m just a repurposed cow scout, you know, and we. We all seem to recognize patterns Jesus gave us. What really stuck in my crawl and besides, seeing possessed children as part of our caseload was. I think it’s Mark, chapter nine.

Jesus comes down the mountain. He’s revealed to the apostles. Some of the apostles go up the mountain. Transfiguration, this is my beloved son. Listen to him. He comes down the mountain. There’s a big fight going on, and he walks into a crowd. And there’s a father with a son. And the son was manifesting. And Jesus drives the demon out, and he drives a demon out.

And the apostles ask him, why couldn’t we drive it out? The Father says, I’ve been trying to. Your apostles tried to drive it out and they couldn’t. Why couldn’t we drive it out? And Jesus looks at the apostles and the Father. Well, first he looks at the Father and he says, how long has this been happening?

The Greek is ex paidiothan, which means an emphatic from infancy or child. Youngest, youngest childhood. Ab infantia from infancy in Latin is a Latin translation from his infancy, from early, early, early childhood. He’s been possessed by a demon. Why couldn’t we drive it out? He said this type could only come out this Janos. We get the word generation or type can only be driven out through prayer and fasting.

And some versions use other manuscripts that don’t have the word fasting. It’s a debated clause. It was in St. Augustine, St. Jerome, the Douay Rheims, the Latin Vulgate. Most translations still carry it, depending on which manuscript they’re using prayer and fasting, so certain types.

So there’s going to have to be a prayerful element and an engagement bodily, because the punishment often fits the crime. And so if that spirit is a spirit of infidelity or impurity, then you have to militate against that with purity, chastity, perhaps celibacy for a time to break that.

I was in a session about a year ago, and the demon looks around in the room, and he’s just trying to get in. He just tries, just like, you know how it works. It’s all psyops. And he’s trying to get in everybody’s head. And he looks around and he said, there’s lust in this room. I can smell it, you know. So he’s giving us. Now he’s only speaking because God’s making him give us information. Everybody was like, oh, my gosh, is it you? Is it you? It’s not me.

SHAWN RYAN: You know?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: You know what I mean? He’s just trying to get in our head, like. Exactly. That’s the way he’s just trying to get in the head. But he’s telling us two things. He’s revealing something that we have to this team in union with this priest. We’re going to have to do more fasting if we want to help this person. And also this.

SHAWN RYAN: What does that mean? I smell lust in this room. There’s an exorcism going on, right? Who’s thinking about lust?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Nobody, right? But he. But he could smell it on. On the people there. It could be. It could be he’s just talking about the person that we call the energamon, the possessed person, who could be talking about that. It could be talking about her husband that was there. You never know. But he. Or he could just be making stuff up just to try to get in our heads. Yeah, but if he said it, okay, then God. It’s because God forced it out of him.

SHAWN RYAN: So are you. Are you saying that you would need an exorcist or somebody to tell you what, no penances for the sin that your father.

Naming and Taming Spiritual Defects

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, no, no. You look at the defect, you know, and I put it in the other. The Libra Christian manual book. I cite in that a modern psychologist that says, if you. If you can name it, you can tame it. Talking about the human emotions. If you can name the emotion of anger, of depression, of shame, you can begin to tame it in modern psychology, okay?

And by extension, that is true in the spiritual life. If you can name the defect, you can tame the demon that’s driving the defect. So if I have. If I have. I’m struggling with alcoholism, okay, you can name it. Now work on the virtue. What’s the opposite virtue of that, you know?

So in this case, the demon calls out lust, calls the team out, calls somebody out, who knows. Okay, good. Then we all need to do more. We all need to shore up our interior lives. We all need to. Everybody here needs to do some acts of penance and whoever the energan, the possessed woman is dealing with lust, or if that’s the entry point, normally he’s giving you something on his holding point, his entry point.

Then they got to militate against that through chastity. And maybe they need to, as St. Paul says, live separate for time being, for a time of prayer and so that bodily engagement. So it isn’t just, I’m just going to, you know. Yeah. The name of Jesus has been driving demons out from the beginning, but this type only comes out through prayer and fasting.

And he was talking to some of the church fathers, say he’s talking to the apostles. Hey, you guys, you guys are slacking. You guys are slacking. You guys, if you want to drive demons out, you guys have to do more fasting. Other church fathers say no to the dad. To the father. Hey, you got to do more penance if you want to drive this thing out of your. Out of your son and out of your family. Certain demons absolutely yield crumble before male authority. Certain demons.

SHAWN RYAN: Interesting.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. When you’re. You’re. So this.

SHAWN RYAN: This specific individual there. This is. This guy or a woman was married.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: And they smell lust in the house.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, and you.

SHAWN RYAN: You had mentioned that they might want us to live separately for a while. I mean. Well, is it. Is, are you. Is it a sin to lust over your wife?

Purity Within Marriage

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yes, it is. Lust is a sin whether it’s with your wife or not. Yeah. So it’s even cleaning up the marital bed, you know, living clean, squeaky clean, you know, watching any impure impurity in your marital bed and the. In the. Even the marital embrace, you know, needs to be pure. And the demon is constantly trying to corrupt that.

So. But he also, in this case, he’s revealing something of his entry point and something of his own. If a demon gives you something, you know, when you captured guys, they were very reluctant to give you anything. And then you had methods to get information. Right. And so it’s kind of like a bell curve. At first they’re resistant, then they tell you everything you need to know, exactly how you need to know.

And then if you keep punishing them, then they start lying. They start telling you what they think you want to hear to stop the pain. But that there’s a sweet spot in interrogation. They’re not going to give you anything unless they feel pain. And so in the exorcism session, they feel tremendous pain. They’re being spiritually waterboarded.

SHAWN RYAN: What does pain feel like to them?

The Nature of Demons and Angels

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

So demons are disembodied spirits, angels and demons. Demons are just fallen angels. They’re not a separate class. They were created at the beginning. Day two, according to many of the fathers of the church—St. Thomas Aquinas and Dionysus and others, St. Bonaventure, Gregory. God separates out the light from the darkness. And separating the light from the darkness, he creates the angels.

And he creates them. They’re disembodied spirits, they have no bodies. And they were given a vision of themselves, the beatific vision. They see God, they see themselves. The theologians call it three instances, but they have an instant where they see God. They are infused with complete knowledge of God, their mission to serve, everything requisite to that mission. They got a complete download where they fit.

And there’s nine choirs of angels and three hierarchies. And they had a requisite mission, whether they’re going to be an angel in charge of a territory or an angel in charge of Shawn Ryan, an angel in charge of weather, whatever their mission. And they all have an orientation towards—they saw salvation history culminating in God becoming human. We were celebrating the soon in Christmas, God taking on human flesh.

And they were given a choice. And they had to sacrifice something, some good, some perfection in their service of God who would become incarnate. Lucifer, Satan says “non serviam”—I cannot serve a God that takes a form lower than me, a meat sack, and rebels.

A third of the angels, according to some speculations, but speculations by doctors of the church and guys a lot smarter than me and holier than me saints, that a third of the angels fell with them. But they’re still disembodied. They keep—it’s like you keep your gear, you know. You’re not a SEAL anymore, but you’re working now in special ops or CIA. You know what I mean? You keep your gear.

If I went and became—I went and flew for CIA, I would keep my same gear, I have the same gloves, I keep my same everything. You just kind of shift into a different form. So these guys kept their gear, they kept what they were issued, but now they work and militate against it, but they don’t have bodies. They don’t have bodies.

Demonic Possession and Manifestation

And so when a demon—when I talk about a manifestation, technically speaking, the only thing a demon possesses is a person’s body. And so they manifest through the appropriation of the bodily senses. And so part of their torment is feeling it in the body of the individual. Part of the torment is the—they are pure intellect, okay?

And so part of it is the pain that is being brought upon them by the Church, by the exorcist, that they experience pain interiorly and also bodily through the possessed person. But just the commands of the Church, the authority of the command of the exorcist, they experience pain as if they’re waterborne.

And they have psychological limits. There’s even a strategy that we’ll use in session where we’ll have one priest pray the exorcism and another priest will pray another minor exorcism or read from Scripture. And so a demon can—they can look at you or me and know everything they need to know about us. Every single thing.

There’s no reasoning. There’s no “okay, I know I’ve met this, I know three SEALs and I know a Green Beret, and I know kind of what they do, and they have some difference, so I have to learn, I have to figure you out by abstraction,” right? I know what a dog’s eye looks like. I know what a bird’s eye looks like. So from those two things, I can figure out what a human eye does, you know?

So by abstraction, the demon has a complete download. He knows according to his mission in that original creation exactly. And so when—but he can only focus—he has intellectual—I mean, he has to focus on one thing at a time, perfectly, intently.

And so when the priest who’s in charge is praying this prayer of exorcism, he has to by obedience—he has to—he’s being bound by the authority of the church to listen to him and take that beating. And another priest is over here saying other exorcism prayers. You’ll see him look here, you’ll look back, look here, look back. And it fractures him. It causes tremendous pain, plus the physical pain that they feel in the body.

Just seeing the priest, he’ll take his stole, put it on the neck of the possessed person, which is going back to the vulnerable spot in the base of the neck where the Genesis 3:15—”You will strike at—I will put enmity between you and the woman, between her seed and you. You will strike at her heel and she will crush your head.”

SHAWN RYAN:

This is so weird. I just brought this—is that Genesis?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Genesis 3:15.

SHAWN RYAN:

3:15. I literally just brought this up in the last interview.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Wow.

SHAWN RYAN:

Yeah. I never bring up scripture because I don’t know it. The only one that I actually—

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah, they called the proto—yeah.

SHAWN RYAN:

So that was—I mean, now we’re going down a rabbit hole. You know, what is that? Is that the first prophecy of Jesus Christ?

The Proto Evangelion

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah, they call it the Proto Evangelion, the first gospel, the first prophecy. And so you see, I cited you from the Latin, which says, “She will crush the head of the Serpent,” pointing to the woman who will be with the Redeemer, right?

And we see in the common experience of exorcist is the efficacy and the power of the Virgin Mary in exorcism. I can just tell you it’s game over when she shows up. Game over.

SHAWN RYAN:

Why? Why is that?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Because it’s prophecy. “I will put enmity between you and her.” And that enmity means total, complete opposition. She was preserved from the stain of every sin, original sin and personal sin. She was preserved from the same sin. And there is nothing in her. She was preserved from that original sin.

And so she has a place that is far—her humanity is a perfect humanity. And so the demon has no place and has no foothold in her like he has in everybody else through generational original sin, our own personal sins. Even if you’re baptized today and all sin and a punishment of sin is wiped out, you go commit sins, you now get attachments, and you’ve just given permissions to the demon.

SHAWN RYAN:

But the Latin version says—so original sin is generational.

Original Sin and Baptism

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

It is the archetypal generational sin. Archetypal in the sense of—it’s a pattern.

SHAWN RYAN:

Baptism washes you—baptism washes out.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Okay, it’s the archetypal sin. And every sin follows—it follows its pattern. But this archetypal in the sense that each one inherits it and as a spiritual and a temporal effect.

And so part of the Genesis 3:15, the Latin translation is “she will crush the head.” The Greek translation, very clearly, “he will crush the head.” So obviously the primary emphasis is on Christ. But there is an allusion to a woman that would be with the Redeemer, right?

And then the Greek or the Hebrew is vague. It could be he, she, they. But we see this cooperation with the Mother of the Redeemer and with the Redeemer and crushing the head of the serpent.

And so in exorcism, they’ll put—the priest will put a stole right on the neck or a crucifix, and he’ll place that right on the neck, cause tremendous pain or ex souffle. This goes back to Tertullian, 2nd century. Talks about exorcist blowing. You know, one of the Eastern rituals of exorcism, the priest ex soufflates and breathes on them, just like God breathe over the chaotic waters.

You know, the bishop every year in the Catholic diocese breathes over the waters that they will use for baptism to those coming into the Church. This water and spirit rebirth going back to creation invoking—that’s ritual, you know, that’s ritual. And so that, and a lot of it goes back to—it all goes back really to the garden. Genesis 3:15 all goes back. Everything is the same old shoot ’em up, right? It’s like watching a western movie. It’s the same shoot ’em up. Here we go again.

SHAWN RYAN:

Right on. Why is fasting so important? Are you trying to weaken the body or is it purifying the body?

The Power of Fasting

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

It’s part of purifying the body. It’s freeing the body up for prayer. The body, the bodily senses—again we have to—our bodily senses are—they make us fickle. They make us—you get hangry, you know, they can affect our emotions. So fasting is prayer of the body.

One of the early church fathers was named—it was Saint Cyprian was his name of Carthage. He has one of his quotes. And I printed this out because it’s so true. He said, under intense persecution, he said, “Let us commend ourselves to vigils, fasting and prayers in common. Vigils, fasting and prayer.”

So doing vigils, getting up early, staying up late, you know, spending—inconvenience yourself in prayer, fasting, engaging in the body and then in prayers and private prayer. These were the ancient weapons. He says, “These are our armaments, our spiritual armament, our defenses. This is the body armor that we put on.”

So fasting, it helps free the soul up. There’s something very powerful about it that frees the soul up for prayer, makes the prayer more efficacious. I was just reading this morning a quote from, I think was St. John Chrysostom or St. Augustine. These are fourth century guys, like 400. Okay.

He said that you have five bodily senses, and when you fast, you start putting your bodily senses two against one. He says, kind of like—I know you do some BJJ, you know, I’m on the receiving end. I’m still a white belt. Whenever I’m rolling with guys, they’re beating the crap out of me.

SHAWN RYAN:

Hey, I don’t do BJJ. I suck.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

I suck really bad at it. I did—

SHAWN RYAN:

Yeah, I love to lie to you. Be like, oh, yeah, I train every day.

Spiritual Discipline and Fasting

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, no, I suck at it. But they always tell you two against one. If my two hands are against, you know, are stronger against one of your leg or your arm, you got to go two against one. So this is—I was thinking about that when I was reading this quote about two against one, you know, dividing the senses.

And St. Paul says, you know, “the things I want to do, I don’t do. What I don’t want to do, I do. Who will save me from this body of death?” Part of the—thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord—he says, but part of the effect of original sin, they call it concupiscence. But it’s just this tendency towards sin. Tendency towards this concupiscence literally means like this lunging, pouncing, grasping, lustful desire for something. And so that’s constantly in us. We have to constantly wage war against that.

You know, when Jesus said—when the bride, he was accused of not fasting. “Why don’t, you know, the disciples of John the Baptist fast? Why don’t you fast?” He says, “The bridegroom, when he was with them, it’s not right that they should fast. Because we’re in the party season right now, right? I’m here. But when the bridegroom is gone, when they take him away, then they will fast.”

He didn’t say, “When the bridegroom is gone and it fits into their spirituality, then they will fast.” He says, “Then they will fast.” This is why we fast specifically on Fridays. Most traditional Catholics don’t eat meat on Fridays and they do other forms of fasting on Fridays because that was the day that they took the Lord from us on Good Friday.

But it frees—it’s just part of spiritual combat. It’s part of not just spiritual combat. Just should be part of our spiritual life to make small little sacrifices. It teaches you to make small little sacrifices. Giving up meat. When I first started doing it and I started doing it when I started getting involved 10, 12 years ago in exorcism, everybody that in our circles where nobody ate meat on Friday and I was out there chowing down and I was like, okay, started giving me. It’s hard. It’s hard for a guy from Ohio, you know what I mean? I like meat, you know, I get it.

So it’s hard, you know, and you can give me all the incredible burgers in the world, but it ain’t the same. And I don’t even desire meat until Friday. So those little promptings. But if you can—but those fastings help you to control and you’re taking away because the enemy is always constantly tempting us through the body. But you can, if you can, pull the body.

SHAWN RYAN: Okay, okay.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So this is—

SHAWN RYAN: It’s essentially a discipline. Actually.

The Power of Discipline and Order

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It’s a discipline. Yeah, it’s a discipline. And in fact, what’s interesting is our—we have a protocol lever. Christo prayer regiment. Protocol. It’s a 30-day regimen. You pray certain prayers at 6, 12 and 6. You pray why 6, 12 and 6. That’s when the Angelus is prayed in the church. You hear bells going off Catholic church’s bells at 6, 12 and 6. That’s when the church three times a day prays the Angelus, which “the angel of the Lord declared unto Mary and she conceived by the Holy Spirit.”

And so the Annunciation from the angel Gabriel to the Virgin Mary that Christ was born at that moment when he announces to her. And she says yes. She says yes and consents to this. Christ is conceived in her through the Holy Spirit. And so that moment, God is now incarnate, even in embryonic form. He is now on earth in physical form.

So you’re announcing that, broadcasting that with the church universal around the world at 6 o’clock, 6, 12 and 6. This also goes back to the Old Testament and certain prayers, the Shema Israel. “Great are you, O Lord God of Israel.” Three times a day they would pray this prayer. And this is just a Christian version of that. In the fullness of time, God sent his Son. The Christian version of that is announcing into the cosmos with the church, uniting that. So that 6, 12 and 6. It’s very powerful.

And we’ve had guys, I’ve had guys that are just doing the discipline as a media fast. So no media, social media, except for absolutely necessary for your work, your vocation and, and, and just that alone. We’ve seen obsessions break. Low level spiritual obsessions which are on the pathway to possession are breaking from that because it gives—because a demon, the demon is ultimately is an instrument of chaos. They create nothing. All they can do is they are instruments of chaos. Whether it’s interiorly or whether it’s on our streets in the big cities, they’re instruments of chaos.

And so whenever you impose order, the imposition of order is as effective, we found in our experience, as the prayers of exorcism themselves or the minor exorcisms or deliverance prayers. Just that imposition of order is half the battle. Wow.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I’ve seen people delivered from—we had a seminarian friend of mine’s an exorcist, Joka. He’s the one that’s been training me how to be. I will never be more than—you know what an uke is? No, the uke in judo is the—that’s the guy that gets thrown so the other guy can learn how to throw. I am, I am God’s uke man. And I think so. So, so yeah, so I just, I get thrown all the time.

And, but he had a, he had a, some—he was working with a seminarian that was struggling with impurity, addiction, pornography. And they were going to kick him out of the seminary and I said, no, let’s put him on, let’s put him on a regimen. Puts him on the regimen with a modification, a little stricter. Within six weeks it lifted.

I’ve had people again struggling with, with pornography addiction. They’ve been struggling with—maybe they suffered a sexual trauma as a child. And they fall into addiction. Sexual addictions, just that discipline. I’ve seen many people break that, break that addiction, addiction to alcohol and other things because of the, the demon is constantly driving the interior self with these emotions, shame driving you to your lower emotions and so manifest and working, militating back with the body.

If you can start small, little sacrifices, little things can help you start to recognize the movement. Like, you know, I was, I was over here as a cub scout, you know what I mean? We’re looking. My battle for view was radically different than yours. So I’m over here looking, I’m looking at numbers, troops, I’m looking at movements, I see dust over here. I see the bigger picture unless I engage, you know.

But you, you, you saw the world totally differently. Your, your spatial and situational awareness is radically different than mine. You know, not through optics or anything else. Yours is, you’re right here and you’re watching. And so fasting helps you to increase that spatial awareness, that situational awareness. And you start to recognize the clean from the unclean.

Pornography and Demonic Entry Points

SHAWN RYAN: So I mean, when you’re talking about, I mean, it sounds like you’re back to pornography. If you’re addicted to pornography, then that is a, that is, you are creating an entrance for a demon to enter, correct?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Right.

SHAWN RYAN: And so when, when a demon is entering, I mean, is it one act and they’re in? You watch porn one time, demons waiting.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Not usually.

SHAWN RYAN: Or is that, or is it, or is it—the addiction has to snowball?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Usually it’s—and again, a lot of it’s situation, life, what situation in your life, it’s, you know, where you’re at in your life, etc. Not that the sin is not the sin, but I mean if you’re a, you’re a pastor or you’re a bishop, and it wouldn’t take much to get the demon’s attention if you’re looking at pornography, you know.

But normally it’s, it’s, it’s not necessarily the pornography, it’s the psychological obsession. Because the psychological obsession is an open door to a spiritual oppression or even obsession. So you have so just that psychological, that woundedness, that psychological obsession. Whether that obsession is over drink, over women, over men, you know, over certain type of sex, any addiction, any psychological obsession, obsession over even a good thing, not a good thing, but obsession over the death of a loved one if it’s not brought to Christ.

Obsession, any psychological woundedness attracts the demon. It attracts a demon. It’s like in a, in the—so it could take a while for it. It might take a while. Yeah. I mean, it’s sufficient now theologically, and this is the experience of the Church and the exorcist particularly. But one mortal sin, one grave sin is sufficient for, for possession.

But God in his mercy is so merciful to us. He, he keeps giving us chances again and again, but at some point when he knows that we’re not going to pull away from the sin unless we suffer some, you know, then, you know. You know, if you’re walking down the street and a child or your child or a child is walking along and they got a lollipop and they just—they don’t pay attention. That’s what kids do, you know, and then they walk out in the street and here comes a car.

You’re going to do what you got to do. You’re going to grab that arm and, you know, you would hurt that child. There was not, you know, I would say, okay, Shawn, would you ever—is there ever a situation that you think that you would—you can see yourself hurting, deliberately hurting a child?

SHAWN RYAN: No.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, no. How about if this bus is getting—

SHAWN RYAN: Ready to run them over?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yes. You might, you might dive on to them, knock them out of the way. They might get—they might skin up their arm a little bit, but they’re going to pick up their candy, wipe it off and keep moving on. So, so sometimes God allows us to have a little—we have, we do suffer a little bit until we come back to help us, you know? Does that make sense?

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Maybe it’s a bad analogy, but I mean, it’s abuse.

SHAWN RYAN: Teaching us a lesson.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: Trying to.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Or, yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: So.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So, so in effect, then, yeah, one sin is—one grave sin is sufficient. But it’s—that’s not the case. Our experience is there’s, there’s multiple sins and largely.

SHAWN RYAN: So sins are like wounds.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Sins are wounds.

SHAWN RYAN: And more—the more wounds you have, the more entry points.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, sometimes. Yeah. Death by a thousand cuts. It could be. Sometimes it’s one big mortal. Yeah. For whatever reason you woke up today and ate stupid soup and went to a prostitute. Yeah. That might, that might be enough. Okay, but now we’re talking about possession.

But you do commit a grave act. The demon that led you to that grave act will also be present to you until you, you renounce, confess, and get rid of it.

The Spiritual Realm Unveiled

SHAWN RYAN: So let’s say, let’s say we have a veil on right now. We can’t see any of this stuff.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: And we lift the veil and—

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: We.

SHAWN RYAN: Can see the spiritual realm. What does this look like in here right now?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: How many demons? How many angels? What is one that’s half attached, that’s trying to get in through multiple sin wounds? What is it? What is—I mean, in your mind, what does it look like?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, not to sound depressing or anything, but Father Gabriel Amorth was the famous exorcist. The modern age. He brought back exorcism in a time when liberalism and modernism had so penetrated the Catholic Church that there was very few exorcists. Maybe there was like 12 or—I did the edits on his official biography a couple years ago. I mean, there was like 17 exorcists. 12 exorcists in the United States at one time. It was terrible. And they’re supposed to have one in every diocese.

So one session he was in, he asked that. He asked the demon, “How many are you?” And the demon answered, “If you could see our numbers, we would darken the sun.” Yeah.

So, but there’s a spiritual combat taking place as well. The angels are battling for us, the good angels. Right, the angels and the saints, of course. Our Lord. You know, that’s the, the title of God, the Dominus Deus Sabaoth, the Lord, the God Almighty, the God of armies. This is the God that intercedes for, for us, always intercedes for Israel and now us, the Church, and does battle with the enemy on our behalf and with us, you know.

But, but yeah, I think if we could see it. I think we, I think if you could—we could hear it. You’d hear a lot of swords drawn, right?

SHAWN RYAN: You think that’s what it is? You think it’s swords and shields and, well, kind of battle? Or is it something that we just, you know.

Spiritual Weapons and Combat

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, swords and shields are the best thing that we can. Yeah. There’s a scene. This is probably a horrible. But I’m a big Van Damme fan, you know, some of his movies are really cheesy, but there was one movie, I forget which one it was. And he walks into this place of ancient, ancient battle before he goes and fights. I think it was the Kuma. I forget which one.

And he could hear sword battling and ninjas fighting, and he could see flashes over here. And so I think in the spiritual realm, we would hear that, but it’s not physical. It’s like St. Paul says, we tear down arguments, we tear down strongholds.

Part of spiritual combat is taking back. The demon has no right to us, but we give him permissions through our sin and so it’s taking those permissions back. It’s the enforcing of authority. When the demon usurps authority, has no authority to be here. Right. Taking that authority back that we have, according to the office that we have within the church.

Those are some of the arguments. And sometimes invoking again, the precious blood of Jesus, the crown of thorns, The Sword of St. Michael. These images. You’re projecting images. This is how the demons communicate with us. I mean, the angels as well. It’s projection. It’s through, technically, illumination, but it, in effect, it’s like projection with projecting thoughts into our mind.

SHAWN RYAN: With projecting thoughts into our mind.

Demonic Projection and Manipulation

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: And we know this to be true. You know, I mean, you get these. Sometimes. Sometimes you get this random, bizarre thought, like, that’s not me, you know?

You know, sometimes, like, again, seeing this play out in session, you know, you go into a session and after the session, we always do an after action review, right? The priest, like, all right, what’s going on? What you guys got? Would you guys, you know, just like, okay, everybody has an assignment.

It’s very. What drew me to it. Not every model is a little different. There’s some models that are just cowboys. And I would never do it that way. It’s not safe the way we do it. The Father Ripper in our group is. It’s very systematic. It’s very militaristic.

Somebody’s in charge of perimeter. Somebody’s in charge of his structure. You’re praying for the priest. You’re praying for this person. You’re watching the priest. You’re watching his hands. So in a court of law, you can. You’ll never, never not see his hands. So in a court of law, you can testify that his hands were always in front of him. He never touched her.

Because the demon. I can’t tell you how many times the person comes out of the session and says, the Father raped me. Did he molest me? The demon just starts projecting these images. That’s what he does.

So he can take the data set that’s embedded into our imagination, right? Our memories and yours are different than mine. We both will have memories. There’s. If we hear a call. If we hear a Muslim call to prayer right now, both of us are going to trigger in a certain way, right? I mean, because we have memories, other people will be like, that’s a weird sound, you know, but we.

So all those memories, all of our emotions, all of our past, the demon has access, and he can manipulate those, and he can put a spin on it and project. Project an image of it. And to try to draw you out of your armor, draw you down out of the intellect, the higher faculty, into the emotions and the instincts. And this is where he draws us out.

And so that’s how he does. He’ll project it and he’ll project shame. You know, if you were molested by a guy with a Fu Manchu mustache and wore a John Deere ball cap and certain cologne, and all you have to do is put two or three of those, two of those things together in any combination, project the memory of that past abuse and suddenly you’re in a lower state.

You’re now in the emote. You’re now living in the shame of the emotions. And so he’s. And that’s when he starts, okay, pounding you away, pounding away at you. You’re scum. You’re no good. You need to go self medicate, whatever yourself. Medic. He doesn’t really care if it’s booze, if it’s drugs, if it’s sex, if it’s, you know. But he.

So that. So the demons project. The angels do too. They project good inspirations to us to try to. To try to tempt us, in a sense, to. To draw us away from the sin. But that’s where the battle’s taking place. It’s at that level.

Wow. You could get a general rule if you’re getting a negative thought about somebody. It’s probably diabolical, right? I hate this guy. This guy’s probably thinking this. You know, it’s probably. It’s probably the demon just trying to cause some kind of division, just both.

So part of prayer and fasting helps you to do battle with that? I was talking to a friend of mine. We worked some cases together, and now he’s stopped active work and he’s living as a hermit. I mean, no, I mean, a shed in upstate New York with his religious order, but he’s a hermit, so all he does is pray all day.

SHAWN RYAN: And do you think that’s a good thing?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: You do?

The Power of Monastic Prayer

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Oh, yeah. That’s what’s saving the world. Those guys, the monastic, the consecrated virgins, those are the ones that are holding up in the. Through their prayer.

SHAWN RYAN: That’s interesting. I don’t see.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, the world’s functional. Why aren’t they working with blind kids? Why aren’t they working with schools? Why don’t they go to hospitals? But it’s like in the Book of Genesis, there’s this battle of Amalek. I don’t know if you recall the battle, Joshua was down in the battlefield and Moses sat there and he raised his arm and held his staff in prayer, right?

And every time he kept his arms up, they were victorious. And then as he got tired, his arms dropped. And then the guys in the battlefield would lose the fight. And so I think Aaron and her, they sat next to him and held his arms up. And so. And it said they mowed down Joshua, mowed down the enemy that day.

And the early church fathers saw that as a type of prayer, intercessory prayer, a type of Christ on the cross, a type of the priest holding up the Eucharist. But it’s the monastic sisters, the consecrated virgins. Those are the real deep operators. Those are the dev group, those are The Seal Team 6 of the Mystical body.

They’re the ones holding up, holding up Christ, projecting to the cosmos, you know, holding up the church symbolized by the priest holding up so that their prayers now we, you and I, in the battlefield, in the active life.

So somebody sent me a video this week of the installation of a Poor Clare. This is interesting. And it really ties in to all of the cosmology and the demons and these other things. And poor Claire is they Follow the Life St. Francis and Claire of Assisi. And they live completely cloistered, barefoot. Okay. They sleep on straw beds.

And I gave a presentation to them not long ago. Amazing women, beautiful women from age 20 to age 80. Beautiful women. These are heavy hitters.

So in the part of the ceremony which is interesting, they. When she’s taken into the. To make her, her initial vows, she’s dressed in a wedding dress, hairs down, beautiful. And she’s presented as a bride of Christ. And then they do part of the sermon, then they go back into a back room, they cut her hair off, or most of it. They put on her veil, her habit, and she comes out in the religious habit barefoot.

And now she’s now no longer this person. She’s the bride of Christ. And this is what they wear. And these women are doing penance and prayer for the world. Carmelites, Eclairs, Franciscan hermits and others there. So this is, it’s the unseen warfare that’s taking place that nobody sees.

So I’m watching this and, you know, I’m a tough guy. You know what I mean? I’m your basic, you know, repress your emotions regular guy. And I’m watching this and I’m getting teary. I’m like, what’s going on. But I realized I just watched the graduation.

I just watched the mystical body, the spiritual combat version of you guys. When you would hold up that log and all you were together and laying on the ground under the water and drowning and all this other crazy stuff you guys had to do for your initiation. I just watched a seal be born.

SHAWN RYAN: Interesting.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Wow. I just saw. I mean, these are Apache helicopters. And I know unless you see it in action, I can tell you, you can say, hey. And I was a Cobra guy, right? When you hear the Apaches coming, it’s a good feeling, Right.

When I saw that, I was like, yeah, there’s an Apache because they’re offering their bodies as virgins, their virginal bodies as brides of Christ, offering and sacrifice. And these women, I was talking to some of the Carmelites that are under order. How many of these are there?

There’s pockets all over the world. At this particular monastery that I’m talking about, there’s about 25 of them. Another monastery of Carmelites that I work closely with, there’s about 12 of them. There’s pockets all over the world. Nobody knows. They’re just hidden. You just don’t see them. The enemy knows them. The enemy knows them, you know.

SHAWN RYAN: Interesting.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, but it’s that, that, that virginal. So when you combine virginal purity and a bridal. A spiritually bridal relationship with Christ, symbolizing the church suffering for souls, suffering for humanity, that’s the real comment. This is the Apache’s. This is the B-52s.

Whenever we would hear the B-52s, it was like, yes, sir. You guys keep going. Make it easy for us. But that’s the deeper spiritual combat. People don’t really understand.

SHAWN RYAN: Okay.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

The Creation of Angels and Demons

SHAWN RYAN: When you were talking about the angels and demons were, I think he said, created on. Did you say created on day two?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: Why would. Why would God create demons? Why would he create that?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, so there’s, there’s two misconceptions. One is God created demons and created angels. And then there’s another one that says the demons are. I think It’s Genesis, chapter 6 or chapter 10. The Nephthali and Nephali, they were. They said the sons of God saw that the sons of. The daughters of men were attractive and they had relations with them and created a race of giants.

And so going back to a 300 B.C. book, Enoch, that gets kind of repurposed and Kabbalistic mystical Judaism in the Middle Ages and a little past the Reformation time period, it started this became the demons are the product of angels who have sex with women. Right, But Nephilim, the Nephilim, sorry, yeah, the Nephilim, but that’s that, you know, St. Augustine, St. Chrysostom, St. John, St. Thomas Aquinas. That’s impossible. They have no bodies.

Okay, that doesn’t mean they can’t rape. Okay, but that, but they can’t procreate. They can’t procreate. So the developed understanding, again, the Church has been cogitating this for 2,000 years. We see the common understanding is day two. God separates life from the darkness. And angels created.

Every angel is created good. They’re created with a mission. You’re going to be a seal. You’re going to be a Cobra pilot, you’re going to be a cook, you’re going to work in intel. You’re going to work, you’re going to be a tanker. I don’t want to be a tanker. I don’t care. You’re going to be a tanker. That I’m not going to serve you, you know?

So they were given a mission. They knew everything about their mission accordingly. And those who, those who rejected with Lucifer fell down to the earth. But they were created good. And at that point in the rejection of God because they don’t have the body.

You know how many times you make a mistake because you’re hungry or hangry and you’re like, I shouldn’t have said it to that guy. You go, hey man, I’m sorry, I. You know, their decision because they had a perfect understanding and a perfect intellect. Their decision was permanent. It was forever.

Then. So they became fallen angels or demons. And then the good angels that said yes to God, they became glorified angels. So we have glorified and fallen angels. And that’s what’s happening cosmically in the spiritual battle.

We think from Revelation chapter 12 said, A third of the angels fell, right? In this cosmic battle, there’s St. Michael, there’s the Ark of the Covenant. Who was also the woman, right? Who is the woman from Genesis, a.

SHAWN RYAN: Third of the angels fell, right?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: In Revelation 12, it says, A third of the angels are thrown from the sky. And so, and so that’s now. Now how many is that? I don’t know if we know that. Jesus himself says that alludes to guardian angels, right? Do not despise one of these little ones for their angels in heaven with the Father. You know what I mean?

So each of us have, has a guardian angel. And how many billions have been present of humans on earth? And there’s nine choirs, you know, totally, you know, so you’re talking myriads, and myriads is what? The kind of the language of scripture. How many? So we don’t know. But a third of whatever a third of a myriad of a myriad is. That’s a lot of fallen angels.

SHAWN RYAN: So they’re outnumbered two to one.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: You’re outnumbered two to one. But they cheat.

SHAWN RYAN: Now, it doesn’t feel like it.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It doesn’t feel like it does tell you that much. Well, because we’re not praying. We’re not living our Christian faith, because that old saying that we use is that angels go where they’re asked.

SHAWN RYAN: We as in humanity.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Humanity, yeah. Angels go where they’re asked, demons go where they’re not resisted. We’re not offering any resistance. You know, we’re not offering resistance. We’re not praying. We’re losing our faith as Christians. We’re becoming post Christian. And to be post Christian is to be neopagan, really? Is what we’re seeing that we’re seeing this play out in real time.

SHAWN RYAN: What do you mean?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, remember Obama? President Obama, he said the United States is no longer. The United States is post Christian is what he said. And so nature and preternature and super nature, they abhor, avoids, right? And so as Christianity weakens, pre Christianity is now gaining, regaining strength. And so. And so the. The. We’re seeing a rise in paganism. Like we say, the old gods, you know, that. That what you guys did, you know, we did. I’m the pilot, you know, but that clear, hold, build, right? That applies to you and me, our families, you know, you got to clear the evil out. You got to clear the garbage out. You got to hold the ground that you took.

You go into a village and you clear it. Then you bring in the Marines, right, to hold it. But then you got to build it, you got to expand it. You got it. You got to start making alliances. You have to. You can’t just because you clear it, they’re coming back. You clear it, you hold it, they’re coming back. You got to build it. You got to build a bigger infrastructure. You got to. You got to hold that ground by building society.

If you look at Western civilization, it was clear hold build, and it built for centuries, and now it’s absurd to think that it’s not. They’re not going to come back and try to reclaim the ground.

SHAWN RYAN: Wow, that’s a damn good point. Let’s go back to the nephilim real quick. So, okay, are you saying that you don’t believe that the fallen angels bred with humans?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying.

SHAWN RYAN: So is the nephilim just a complete. Just a.

The Nephilim Debate

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No. So now. So, yeah, the Book of Enoch was written, which is not scripture. And it had. It had some Gnostic, you know, tendencies in it, which is a dualistic view of good, evil, good God, bad God, matter and spirit. Matter is bad. The body’s bad, the spirit. So that’s Gnosticism. Very, very simply put. But it had some elements of that in it, but it’s not scripture. It has some historical elements in it, but a lot of it’s not. It’s not reliable for theology per se. It might be reliable for some historical things.

And so this came through that this is where I think most of it comes in the modern time. And so. And you hear the ones who mostly are putting it out are people that came out of the occult or people that were possessed, because this is what the demon is telling them. We’re a special race. We’re half breeds. We have power over you. We’re different than those angels up in the sky. They’re just. We are special. No, they’re not. They were cast from the earth for their disobedience. Cast from the heavens to the earth for their disobedience.

So the early Church, you had a couple of fathers. This is again, we have to kind of look at. Okay, here’s what scripture says. And how did the church receive it? She had a couple fathers. Tertullian Irenaeus alluded to that, that that could be possible by the time you get to Augustine, around 400 in the west, and then St. John Chrysostom in the East. And then it develops from there. We started to get our understanding of angels and demons more. And then our understanding that, no, a fallen angel is a fallen angel. An angel is the same. They are the same class, so to speak. One is fallen, one is glorified.

And then, you know, again, by the 4th century, they’re saying, no, this is false. To say that a demon can procreate and they cannot. It goes against their very nature. You know, we go to a funeral and someone will say, well, Grandma is an angel in heaven. No, I’m sorry, she’s not. You know what I mean? She’s not an angel in heaven. If she’s in heaven, praise God. If not, she’s in purgatory on her way to heaven, purifying herself of all her attachments on her way to heaven, or she’s damned. Those are the only three realities. Either they’re saved or not. And so she can’t have a. It’s a metaphysical impossibility for me to become an angel.

And so, and so angels didn’t procreate with, so, so with humans. So what we see that. And there’s, there’s what Augustine argues is, look, the sons of Seth, right? Cain killed Abel. Adam and Eve had a third child, Seth, who was a righteous son who called on the name of the Lord. That phrase calling on the name of the Lord is a, is a trigger of watching the bloodline of the Messiah, right?

And so Augustine, and then you look at some of the other signals from Scripture. The line of Cain, the wicked line of Cain that practiced polygamy, that practiced that evil entered in through the line of Cain, the wicked son. We see the sons of God are the line of Seth, ultimately the line of Christ. And the sons of men are the earthly, you know, those who militate against the people of God.

And so they drew various conclusions. This is what happens when good families allow their children to have to marry godless people. That’s one of the things Augustine says. So, but it’s tried. They traced it back globally, the bigger cosmic picture, to the bloodline of Jesus Christ.

So, but, but there’s a lot of misunderstanding. But no, that, that, that would, that’s a metaphysical and physical impossibility for an angel to have sex, to inseminate. Let me pass that. Because they, they can, they are incubus, incubi and succubi that do that, that do sexually molest. But that’s not the same as insemination. We’re talking about here is insemination and creating a being.

Now, can they have ritualistic ceremonies? And the byproducts of those ritualistic ceremonies are produce this bloodline or that bloodline or whatever. Yeah, but that’s not, that’s not nephilim. That’s not the creation of.

SHAWN RYAN: That would be some type of a possession within humanity to create a mass of people that breed together for whatever reason they want.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: And if you think of it, if, if that, if we know this to be true, that, you know, that we’re familiar with, if that was the case and that you’re creating, you’re taking possessed people that are following, you know, false religions, demonic religions, and having, and drawing out the bloodline of where the Messiah will come from, the Davidic bloodline, the Messianic bloodline. If you, and if all, if we start intermingling all these, the wicked with the good Right. It’s not a good thing.

And so, and so it wasn’t even in scripture. It was like. It was. They created this race of giants. What were the giants? Men of renown. Right. Well, physical, who knows. Spiritual. David. I mean Goliath was a giant. He had four brothers of giants. Now by giant, you know, you know, Goliath was dependent on the, the Hebrew, he was 6ft, some 6, 6. And I think it was the, one of the one, one of the, one of the ancient versions. I think it was the, the Latin was six foot. Six and the Greek he was like nine foot. Also big guys.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah, yeah. What. So what is the book of Enoch? It is, it says that in there.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: You say it’s not factual. So why is anybody referenced? And the one, you know, just being a podcaster, the only people that really talk about Enoch are people that are very, very conspiratorial. Right.

The Book of Enoch

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. So it’s not, it’s not scripture. It’s. It’s a non scriptural book. There’s, there was Enoch, there’s the life of Moses in the time of Christ. There were various gospels, The Gospel of St. Thomas, you know, there was a gospel of, of Judas. And Judas is like wicked. You know, the new Judas is now the good guy, you know. And so there’s various other writings that were what we would call a proper or even just historical, you know.

So and, and, and sometimes they, they say things that. Yeah, we know that to be, that’s, that might be true and historically we know this to be true affirmed for other places. But this is, this is a little more mystical and it gets, it got, it got. From my understanding it was that it was more during. It was picked up by the Kabbalistic kind of mystical Gnostic, more modern Judaism and then some, some groups conspiracial, you know, some conspiracy guys use it in other things.

But again, I, I just stick to scripture. And what are the, what do the church fathers say about it? Right. Because it, it’s kind of like the guys right after, you know.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: 100 years from now we’re trying to investigate what was it like to be on, on the seals. Well, let’s look to the guys that did it and let’s look to the next generation after that and what they received and how they understood it, you know.

SHAWN RYAN: Gotcha. Yeah, gotcha.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So it’s not scripture, it’s just a, it’s just a, you know, a book from Judaism in that time period. Okay. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: Well, Dan, let’s take a quick break.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Okay.

SHAWN RYAN: And Then when we come back, we’ll actually get into the outline.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I know you’re fine.

SHAWN RYAN: Perfect.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

Back from Break

SHAWN RYAN: Doctor we’re back from the break and I forgot to do a couple things at the beginning of the interview. I think like, I forgot that last.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Time too, but so you know, everybody gets the gummies. I love it.

SHAWN RYAN: Gummy bears, demons hate those things.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, I’m going to get them blessed. I’m getting blessed and hand them out. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: And thank you. And then we still have Patreon, you know, that’s our community that we have online. It’s a subscription platform and so we give them the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. This is a pretty good one. This is from Louis Mellow.

Mr. Schneider, how should someone who lived a sinful or undisciplined life in their youth go about forming a personal prayer rule? What practices would you recommend to help nurture repentance, spiritual healing and steady growth in virtue while avoiding discouragement or doubt?

Overcoming Pornography and Building Spiritual Discipline

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, that’s a huge one. That’s our society right now. And the fact that you’re even asking the question is fantastic. It’s that desire working on virtues. Start militating against whatever your previous defects were. Minimize your social media so those images don’t get projected back to draw you back into that way of thinking, that time of your life when you were farthest from God.

Small things of repentance and penance. You know, giving up meat on Fridays, doing some fasting, maybe doing some hard fasting. You know, I like to do 24-hour fasting, so I have dinner and I won’t eat anything all day for the next day. Do that two or three days a week to kind of train your body in the lower parts of your flesh that are trying to constantly meditate and draw you back into that life.

Prayer is extremely important because it’s through prayer that we start meditating on scripture. Reading 15 minutes of scripture every day. For me, I pray three or four rosaries a day. If you have a rosary, it’s very powerful. But 15 to 30 minutes of meditating on scripture because what that does is starts reprogramming your thinking, all those images in your mind and your memory starts getting pushed out and replaced with images of Christ or the truth that comes from scripture.

So prayer, meditation, a disciplined prayer life. Get a copy of this book, Deliverance Prayers for the Laity. That’s Father Ripper. I gave you a copy, Shawn, last time. Get a copy of that and start praying some of the primitive prayers every day. There are certain prayers to be praying, spiritual warfare prayers every day to drive the demon away on a daily basis.

But having a set time is very important. I’m going to get up at the same time every day. You know, this is the Jordan Peterson “get up and make your bed.” That discipline is very important. So to the extent that you spent your previous life in dissipation, now put as much effort into growing in holiness.

SHAWN RYAN: Thank you. Thank you. All right, let’s dig into this outline. So, origins and nature of spiritual beings. I know we kind of talked a little bit about that, you know, that the angels were created on the second day. What were they created or were they always there with them?

The Creation of Angels

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, created. They were created. There’s only one uncreated being, and that’s the triune God, the unmoved mover. So only God is uncreated from the beginning. Remember in John’s Gospel, “In the beginning, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. And the Word was God.” So God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, the Trinity. This is the only uncreated.

So the angels, fallen or glorified, are still created. They’re created beings. They’re creatures. They’re unique. Each is their own species.

SHAWN RYAN: Right.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So which is—we can’t even understand that, you know. A camel, the difference between a camel and a grasshopper is pretty great, but they’re still part of the same species of creature, the animal kingdom. Each angel is his own species.

So I’ve had people say, “Well, I’m a demonologist.” And I was like, “Okay, can you narrow it down to, say, one class or one type?” I mean, it’s impossible. Even getting into angelology and understanding, you can’t understand. Here’s why I think the Nephilim is where it’s a distraction—because you can’t understand the demon unless you understand the angel, what they were created for.

When bank tellers in the old days, before they had machines, they would never let their fingers touch a fake bill when they trained them. So when they finally get to a fake one, they’re like, “I know what a good one feels like.” So we can only understand demons in light of what they were created for.

And if you understand the natural law that they were created for as this preternatural entity created with a specific task, whether it was the seraphim, the highest choir, the burning ones we see before the throne of God, the cherubim, Isaiah and Ezekiel that hold up God, the thrones, if they’re in that choir or all the way down closest to us, you can’t understand what the demon is doing unless you understand who they were at their creation, what their mission was.

SHAWN RYAN: Okay. Okay.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Otherwise, I’m sorry, but if they’re created—what they try to do is they try to say, “We’re special beings, we’re different than them, and you have no idea how to deal with us. We’re a mystery.” No, you’re not a mystery. In fact, the demon is the most regulated entity in the cosmos, strictly regulated by God. When he manifests, it’s because God is allowing it to happen.

SHAWN RYAN: Why do you say the cosmos? I’m just curious, because I think that’s the word—why would they be in the cosmos if nobody’s out there?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I think—well, cosmos. I’m talking about the space, the spiritual space around us, not necessarily between here and the moon. By cosmic, cosmic or cosmology, it’s the creation of God’s created order. Right. A cosmologist is a woman that puts hair back in order. So cosmology is the created order of God. So we can’t see it. It’s invisible.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Like in the creed we see, “I believe in all things visible and invisible.”

God Before Creation

SHAWN RYAN: What do you think? What do you think God was doing before the universe was created? Do you ever think about that? I mean, if he created everything and he was always there, then what was he doing? I mean, we don’t even know what he’s doing now. But what was he—you know, where is he hanging out? What’s he doing? Who’s he—I mean, that’s a pretty lonely existence.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I don’t think so. It’s only if he was—

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah, it could be great.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. I mean, he was—you know, God is three, right? But one. One God, three persons. And so living in a state of—I don’t know. I mean, do you ever think about that?

SHAWN RYAN: No. Why not?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I don’t know. Now I’m going to be pondering what was God doing.

SHAWN RYAN: But how long did it take him to go, “I’m going to make some humans”?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: “I’m going to make some humans that will glorify me. I’m going to make—” Really pissing me off. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: No, kidding.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. So the—again, some of the church fathers talk about processions that God is in a continual procession of love between the love of the Father and the love of the Son and the love of the Father and the Son and the Holy—you know, bringing forth in this procession of love, divine procession, bringing about, bringing forth the Holy Spirit in this co-equal.

What’s interesting, though, you talk about how the ancient demons—one of the things that we’ll do, and part of our catechetical session is, or you can make him—the priest will make him do it during an exorcism—read the Athanasian Creed. And you can see this diagram. You can Google it. The Athanasian Creed. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit is—is not. And it’s this—and then Athanasius wrote a creed about the Trinity, the inner life of the Trinity and understanding that.

And so that causes torment to the demon. It causes torment to the demon when you force their host to read that through the eyes that they are appropriating. It causes torment to see the triune God. But all they can do at best is to try to distort the image of us.

And so what God was doing at the beginning? I don’t know. I think he was an eternal self-emanation of glory and love. I don’t know what that spiritual party looked like, but we’re going to find out someday, God willing.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah. Yeah, I hope so.

Demons vs. Ghosts

SHAWN RYAN: What is the difference between demons and ghosts?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So when we talk about ghosts, we—

SHAWN RYAN: We were talking about this encounter I had off camera in the cabin, right?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. So I saw that and I thought, “Oh, man, Shawn’s messing with fire.”

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah, I wasn’t messing with anything. I was not messing with anything.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: You made the right decision.

SHAWN RYAN: Was there—were you—Tim was there.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. But you know what? When you know it, you know it’s time to bug out.

SHAWN RYAN: That’s what we did. I mean, we didn’t wait.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No.

SHAWN RYAN: As soon as we heard that, it was cut the cameras, get everything out of here, let’s go back to the house. I want to see the footage because—and then we pulled the footage up and there was static on every footstep.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, yeah. So when we’re talking about a ghost, we’re talking technically about a purgative soul. A soul that has died, that is also disembodied, but is a soul of a human that’s in the process of purgation for the—you know, of cleansing, of purification on the way to heaven. It’s a saved soul, but it’s a soul in purgatory. That would be when we talk about a ghost.

And it’s allowed, again, very strictly by God, to go back, to make—to ask for prayer, to make satisfaction for some sin that they committed. A ghost. That would be a ghost, a purgative soul.

A demon is a fallen angel that’s infesting the place, usually because some grave sin was there. Either somebody did some satanic ritual to invoke the presence of—to draw the demon there, or a grave sin took place there—abortion, murder, whatever. And that the demon is now saying, “This is my space. I drove this guy to kill his wife here. I’m going to chill here because this is my space.”

SHAWN RYAN: What do you think I encountered?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: What’s that?

SHAWN RYAN: What do you think we encountered? Do you have any idea?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: You can tell that they track differently, by the way.

The Haunted Cabin Encounter

SHAWN RYAN: Let me give full context here, just for the audience. So we did this—it was actually a survival challenge. Came back. We rented this World War II cabin, Airbnb, out in the woods, very old place. And we did a debrief there about the challenge.

In the middle of the debrief while we were filming, we heard footsteps upstairs. It was a loft. Nobody was up there. We knew nobody was up there. Before when we were setting up, we had a lot of problems with the electrical outlets and stuff. Signs would be like, a sign wouldn’t light up and then a camera would work if we plugged it in—all kinds of weird stuff going on with the electrical.

But yeah, when we heard the footsteps and all of us heard it, we got the cameras, cleaned everything up, took off, pulled the footage, reviewed it, and every single footstep, there’s static. You can still hear the footsteps too, if I remember right, but—and there’s no static anywhere else.

So then I had an encounter there about a year or two prior. Me and my wife stayed there. We heard knocking. I heard knocking on the walls, but I chalked it up to a dream. And then I pulled the reviews, the Airbnb reviews. And it’s “Don’t knock on the walls. They knock back.” “Don’t come after dark.” “This place has a mind of its own.”

So, yeah, I mean, it’s haunted. It’s haunted. Something’s in there.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: Something’s in there.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Something’s in there. Yeah. Yeah. You can kind of track by, number one, the reaction to prayer. Once, you know, if it gets better with prayer, it’s probably—and again, the chances are statistically in my experience anyway, and I think this would be the common experience of most exorcists and those who work closely with them, the common experience would be, most likely it’s infestation of place by a demon. So who knows what—

SHAWN RYAN: You think that would have been a demon?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Probably. I mean, because it’s very rare that you would see a purgative soul come back. Now, it does happen. They’re asking for prayer, but the reaction to prayer usually makes it go away. It gets better. It’s not destructive.

I mean, if you hear knocking on the walls and it knocks back in a strange cabin at night, you’re going to get a fear of a fight or flight response. So that alone isn’t enough to tell you if it’s diabolic or not. But if it’s messing with the electrical, if it’s messing with some of the fruit, if it’s causing division—oftentimes when you have an infestation of place, there’s a lot of family fighting going on. There’s a lot of—

SHAWN RYAN: I’ve had a lot of these encounters.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: I mean not a lot of them, but you know, we’re on the front lines of where the Civil War happened. Right here.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: You know, this whole town. And so there’s ghost tours and all kinds of stuff going on all over the place out here. But I mean I just another example, I remember when we, when me and my wife moved up here and we were looking for a place, went to this place way out in the middle of nowhere. There’s cemetery on it. And I was like, I’m not.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: I don’t want somebody else’s cemetery on my, on my land.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I’m with you on that.

SHAWN RYAN: And so we, I’m it. I, I was like, I don’t even know why we’re going to look at this place. Like we’re, we’re not doing, I’m not doing. Not going to buy a place with somebody else’s bodies buried in the ground.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: And from a family that’s not ours.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Chances are in this part of the world there’s a Freemason symbol on about every other grave to him.

SHAWN RYAN: Anyway, she was like, well, maybe it’s, it’s probably all the way on the other side of the properties. It was, I don’t know, 30, 40 acres maybe get there. It’s right out the kitchen window. You see it. And there’s a, there is a dilapidated, dilapidated slave quarters right next to the cemetery. And they tell us that.

And my wife goes, “Don’t worry, they, they.” She goes, “If this place was haunted,” she goes, “it would, it would communicate through the electric.” Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Boom.

SHAWN RYAN: The lights all went off. Yeah. On and off like three or four times. Right when she. And I was like, “You mean like that?”

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: And, and to be honest with you, we actually wanted to put an offering on the place. Went over there with a. Had a cup of coffee. I was like, “Look, I’ll come out here, talk to you guys, but if you freak me out, I will bulldoze all your asses all the way over to other side of the.”

But I was. So anyways, I’m just saying like this stuff has happened to me, you know, and it sounds woo woo to a lot of people, but it’s happened to me. It’s a lot of. It’s happened to a lot of people.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, but I mean you. Some people are not as sensitive to it. Some people are more naturally sensitive to it than others. I think on a spiritual level you’re more sensitive to this stuff.

SHAWN RYAN: But.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: But also as an operator, you’re like. Your head’s on swivel all the time. You can’t beat that out of you. You can’t not see things, you know, and so. So, yeah, I think you’re better off.

You know, we deal with it all the time now. Sometimes people say I had this house wasn’t. You know, was. Was haunted. And then I moved in with my. I got my baby daddy, and then that was haunted. Then I moved in with my sister, and then her trailer was haunted. And then I got an apartment, and that was haunted. Like, hey, there’s a pattern here. You know, it’s not the place that you. Yeah, you’re the one that’s got. Got somebody following you.

But there are actual places you can. You know, I think we talked about on the last show, the Devil on Brownsville Road was. Was an epic. Was a. It was a new American or American China. One of the magazines described it as. I think they’re coming out with a movie. This was a place where there was an Indian burial site. I mean, a slaughter. Native American slaughter. There was some slaughtered. Some. Some settlers or something. And then later became an Obor. This house became a local witch buys it. You know, witchcraft.

So these people buy it. And it was just a. I mean, like Amityville horror stuff. Walls bleeding and everything else. And so they ended up the walls bleeding, I think.

SHAWN RYAN: So.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I. You know, I. I’ve never personally seen that, but I know it’s happened like crazy stuff like on the blood just comes.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. I’ve never seen it, so.

SHAWN RYAN: But.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: But this house had crazy stuff going on, and they fought it out, and they went two years. And the priest that was assigned there had a. Had a woman that was supposedly seeing what’s going on behind the scenes and was giving this guy a bunch of bad intel, and so he never went. He said, “You can’t go into this place. You have to do it from out here.”

And they ended up calling in an expert, another exorcist from. From another diocese who was a very. Known by the book guy and got rid of it in about two or three months versus, like, it lingered for a couple years, but it was nasty. So. So they’re claiming that place. They’re saying, “Hey, this is my place. We were here first. I claim this.” Demons are very territorial, so the demon.

Demonic Attachment to Places and People

SHAWN RYAN: Will attach itself to a human.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: He doesn’t care.

SHAWN RYAN: And. Or a. A residence, a location, a venue.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Has to do with the. It has to do with the. The. His assignment. His inclination towards that assignment. What he was created for. If he was created to preserve marriage and the sanctity of marriage, he’s going to start militating now against marriage and towards homosexuality and other things. So he’s just going to start working the opposite.

If he’s there to guard the space or guard this territory, or working with the guy that’s in charge of this territory, he’s now going to take claim that territory.

SHAWN RYAN: So probably a dumb question, but what happens if you just bulldoze the house over?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Oh, he doesn’t care about the structure. It’s the space.

SHAWN RYAN: It’s an actual perimeter.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It’s the perimeter. Yeah, it’s the perimeter.

SHAWN RYAN: Do you can.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: That’s why I pray the perimeter prayer. I mean, I pray that that’s a prayer. You should pray every day for your families. Praying. That perimeter you’re laying, you’re laying down in Constantina wire, you’re making it hard to get in. You pray that every day, at least twice a day.

Daily Spiritual Practices and Prayers

SHAWN RYAN: What, what other prayers do you pray every day?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: There’s prayers of consecration. I pray. Consecrate all my actions, all my temporal goods to the Blessed mother, Prayer of St Patrick’s Breastplate, Invocation of Heavenly Host. I’ve got. I pray multiple rosaries a day. I’m constantly trying to put lead down range and string up the concertina wire, you know, so. Plus I try to do mental prayer every day. I try to go to Mass every day.

SHAWN RYAN: Do you think this conversation that we’re having does anything in the spiritual realm?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Absolutely.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah. What does it do?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, an operator’s best, your best, one of your greatest friends is silence. You know, we own the night, right?

SHAWN RYAN: So.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So to pop up, you know, even if it’s a temporary flare, you know, a flash, bring some light out, and people see the good and they recognize again. You shouldn’t watch something like this or get into this out of curiosity. It should be. It should be to help you grow in your spiritual life and become a better Christian.

That’s the whole point, is how to overcome evil in your own life. And because curiosity itself can be an open door, St. Augustine said, that’s not good for me. That, well, knowing, knowing it, doing it for the right reasons. You want to learn about this? You know, I, I, you, You know, I want to join the SEALs because.

SHAWN RYAN: I want to understand.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I want the patch, I want the, I want the. What’s the trident? You know, and I want the coolness, but I don’t get shot at. I mean. You mean, I got to go days without sleep and I can’t. No, no, I want the cool stuff.

No, spiritual combat is just a grind. It’s just, it’s the grind of, of, of basic soldiering, you know, but you got to do it for the right. You have. You have to, you have to understand what your enemy’s doing. You’re not going to. You never went into battle not knowing who you’re up against, at least having a good idea.

So we don’t want to open that door through curiosity. It’s, that’s not safe. St. Augustine said the demon. Three things attract the demon to us. The first thing he says is an unholy curiosity. Basically, if you go looking for the devil, he’ll find you.

So you have to just. It can’t be an unhealthy curiosity versus this studiosity. How can I help this? How can this help me grow closer to Christ? The demon in spiritual combat is tertiary. Primary focus is Jesus Christ. We have to stay focused on him. And secondary, what are the obstacles that keep me from getting closer to being united with Christ? And then finally, what is the demon doing?

So the intel only helps us understand what’s blocking us. If he, if he, if I’m hitting his radar for something, he thinks I’m vulnerable here, then I better work on that. This is why I started, pathetically, in a very bad way, learning judo and jiu jitsu a year ago, because I really wanted to understand, because I’m a striker, I’m a boxer, and I wanted to learn this whole different mentality of combat sports, which I’m not good at.

You know, like I said, I’m a predator. White belt, but, but learning how to feel pressure, counter pressure, how to look at multiple moves after, you know, you’ve done it as well. So that’s spiritual combat. It’s judo. In many. I mean, it’s still striking, don’t get me wrong, it’s MMA.

But that curiosity, if you’re doing it, I’m learning it so I can become a better Christian, a better father, a better husband, you know, Then you’re moving into studiosity. Excuse me.

Demonic Attachment to Objects

SHAWN RYAN: Would demons attach themselves to things? Could they attach themselves to an antique, a chest, a chair, a gun, stuff like that? Right?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, they can. Objects, the, the, the technical term would be secondary causality. They would, they would, they would, they would allow. They use objects to bear their, their, their power. And not unlike blessed holy water, a blessed crucifix.

When a crucifix or a rosary or scapular is blessed, it bears the blessing of Christ through his Church. And so it’s a sacramental. It carries the power of the church. I’ve had cases where, like, we just can’t quite figure it out. And I’ll put two cups of holy water. This is off session, though, just doing catechesis. One’s blessed holy water, one is not blessed. And tell me, which one. Are these different every time? Yeah, this one’s hotter. They can feel the difference because it carries that blessing of Christ to the church.

So the demon works off that same again. The demon, everything he does is a complete counterfeit and mockery and reversal of an ape of what is true and good and pure. What we see in the sacramental system, in our case, sacramental system of blessings, you know, crucifixes. So the demon is going to do the opposite. They’re going to use sage. They’re going to do. They have all sorts of other objects that they use the agency of immaterial things.

Meaning, like we use oil, salts, metals, that the church says, yes, this is a sacramental. And so the demons do that. So Chucky dolls. Seen those?

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: For whatever reason, I don’t know.

SHAWN RYAN: What do you mean you’ve seen them? Seen them where?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, I had three. Three different cases that had Chucky dolls in some version of a Chucky doll involved.

SHAWN RYAN: What are the cases?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: One of them was. One of them. One of them. It was a. A single mom, and she just reported and other people reported. So it’s not just someone tells me, because who knows? But these are verified. But she was a single mom, and she went into the daughter that she was. She was pretty heavily afflicted.

She went into the daughter’s bedroom, was cleaning up, and she would hear the. The Chucky doll. It was, you know, a little doll with the pull string saying things off script, like, “Why are you leaving me here alone? Come in here and get me.”

SHAWN RYAN: Holy cow.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Yeah, that’ll. That’ll put the fear of God in you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what do you do with an object like that?

SHAWN RYAN: You know, real quick. I mean, my. My pen security guy who we’re both mutual friends with. I don’t want to say his name on her, but he. We talk about this kind of stuff quite often. And he had brought up. I. I mean, you see all this stuff in here? Yeah, it’s all from my previous life or guests of mine.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: The opinion.

SHAWN RYAN: It’s all like, historic stuff.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, it’s historical stuff to me.

The Santa Muerte Statue

SHAWN RYAN: Ed Calderon gave me this statue of a Santa Muerte. Are you familiar with that? He gave me a Santa Muerte that he took out of a taxi that was smuggling drugs into the United States. It was a wax figure. Cracked it in half, full of heroin. There’s a whole trunk full of these things.

So he gave me one without the heroin, of course, and put it back together as a keepsake, you know, for the studio. It’s right up there. I put a rosary around it. Yeah, it’s next up. Yeah, you know, that stuff up there. He says I need to get rid of that thing. It’s actually slipped my mind since he told me that until we’re just having this exact conversation. What do you think?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I’m going to quote a famous rapper, MC Hammer. It’s Hammer time. I would get rid of it, really, because these things act. They carry the curse that came with them. They carry the curse.

They also use statues of the Virgin Mary and smuggle drugs over. I had a lady, church lady saw this beautiful statue. What she thought she wanted to rescue it from a pawn shop, brings it home. She said everything, ever since I brought that into my home, there’s just been strife and problems. And I said, well, I looked. I said, what does that have a big thing? And I could describe it. She’s like, yeah. I said, yeah, that was probably used to smuggle drugs across the Mexican border.

SHAWN RYAN: To get rid of it.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So bless, burn and bury. I’ve got to, I put the formula in, and I’m not plugging books. I’m just telling you, I’ll give you the formula. I’ll cut and paste it for you. Destroy it, render it inoperable, pray a couple of prayers that God would decommission the evil from it and smash it, break it up and then sprinkle it into running water or bury it. I would put it into running water and let it flush away.

SHAWN RYAN: Okay.

Cursed Objects and Their Destruction

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: We’ve seen everything from cursed rosaries. You know, they’re satanic rosaries that really. Yeah, yeah. They’re coming from China and Satanists are cursing them and shipping them to parishes. You know, give these out to the kids. They’re the glow in the dark ones. Every Catholic kid had glow in the dark rosaries, you know.

And so we had some come to a parish once and they just showed up like, oh, this is great. They’re samples of these rosaries. And church lady tried to, then she realized there’s satanic symbols on them. So she put them into her fireplace and tried to burn them, and it smoked her house out.

SHAWN RYAN: Are you serious?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, so I am. I’m the dirty jobs guy, you know, so like, okay, let Dan get rid of it, you know. Now we’ve learned over the years, no, you get rid of it. Well, in this case, the pastor should have been with me, but, or if somebody has some objects from grandpa, some garbage or whatever, they destroy it. We’ll walk them through it.

But this case, I destroyed it. So I take it out to a remote place, going to bless, burn, and bury. So I had it burning. And right when I started lighting it up, four dogs came out of the brushes and surrounded me. And this is before the Shawn Ryan show. I didn’t have my P365 Legion. I had something. It didn’t matter what I had. It was sitting in my Jeep and I didn’t. And they surrounded me. I couldn’t get to it between me and the fire. So as a shovel.

And I was like, all right, game on. Four on one. I guess this is it, you know? And then I start to rear back, and I was going to attack the most aggressive one. As soon as I reared back, this lady, black from head to toe, just comes walking out of the, out of the, I’m in the middle of nowhere. She walks, walking out the dogs, she doesn’t say a word. She just watches me the whole time. And they just quietly get in behind her and they just walk off. And those things burnt for, for it took forever to burn.

SHAWN RYAN: Wow.

The Cursed Barbie Doll

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I had a cursed Barbie doll once. Lady came in. Her daughter was really afflicted, teenage girl, and she had this unhealthy relationship with an uncle or something, and he had given her this Barbie doll that she was really attached to.

And you have to watch. This is the thing. It’s the attachment. That’s where the demon is. He’s always in the attachment. You’re talking about fasting and breaking the attachment to meat. Once in a while, the attachment, a rock falls in your shoe. Breaking the attachment to comfortable feet, you know, walking with that for a half hour or so, offering it up for your family, whatever.

So breaking that attachment to this object. So that’s what, that’s how you know where the demon is. So the daughter was really attached to it. And she had chronic problems with her right leg. She couldn’t figure it out. And the parents are like, we know it’s something wicked, but we can’t figure it out. We said, okay, give us, give us the Barbie doll.

SHAWN RYAN: Okay.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So she gives us the Barbie doll. Okay.

SHAWN RYAN: Why did they say give us the Barbie doll? Did they…

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Did they knew that her…

SHAWN RYAN: And see what she was most attached to?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. They knew that had given her a Barbie doll that was a little creepy and the uncle was a little creepy. And so we just said, okay, then get rid of it. We just said, what? Tell me about the Barbie doll. Oh, you can’t have it. Okay, then get rid of it. I mean, it’s that blunt. There’s no nice. It’s like, oh, really? You’re attached to it. Give it to me. We’re going to get rid of it for you. I want to see it.

So she brings it. They bring it and it’s covered with paintings and symbols. Barbie doll dressed like, you know, kind of like occult clothing and missing a right leg and just young girls. So we take it. Take it to a remote place and I, we dig a hole and I, you know, I’m looking around because, you know, I just don’t, I just don’t need to be seen. I’m just trying to get rid of this thing and do the right thing for these people again.

And our, now that we’ve matured in our, you guys learn stuff over time in combat too. And you learn how to kick doors in better than you did before. So it’s the same things we’ve learned now. We would say, no, dad, you got, you’re in charge. Dad, you’re the head of household. You burn it. You let this garbage in. You get rid of it.

So anyway, we’re burning it and I look around. There’s nobody from, I can’t, I’m in the middle of nowhere and all of a sudden I start to light it and I get to smell of just skunk and flesh. It’s gross. And I look and from me to there is a carcass of a rotting skunk just like. And I didn’t see it. I didn’t smell, didn’t see it. And this was a skunk rotting. It was foul.

So we light it up. Just light up this Barbie doll this big. And it burnt. I’m not kidding you. Like three tractor tires, green and black.

SHAWN RYAN: Wow.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So you talk about it carries just like this carries the blessings of Christ in the church. Cursed objects work in the same way. So if you want, we can get rid of that.

SHAWN RYAN: Should we get rid of it here or do I need to…

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: We can get rid of it.

SHAWN RYAN: Take it to somebody else’s property.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Who’s your biggest enemy? Give him a gift.

SHAWN RYAN: I got a lot of them.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, we get rid of here, take it to the river and break it, dispose of it. I’ll give you the formula to pray. And I think that’s part of it. We go through, part of our protocol is identify. We’ve let these things into our house and we don’t even know why. They’re cute, but some of the, I, you know, I’ve had cases where they’re, they’re like Indian descent, you know, from India.

And somebody gives them this native, you know, indigenous garment that they wear. And ever since they’ve gotten that garment, it’s just been nothing but problems in their house. So it was cursed. Who knows?

The Masonic Bible

SHAWN RYAN: Have you ever heard of a Masonic Bible? A friend of mine got one of those passed down to him from his family.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, we’ll put it. I’ll quote another, I’ll quote another rapper. No, it’s not a rapper. It’s more of a souls guy. Burn, baby, burn. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: What is the Masonic Bible?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, that was, that was, that was it. Jefferson?

SHAWN RYAN: I don’t know anything about the mass. I know that the Catholic Church here is surrounded by the Masonic Temple.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I went to mass there this morning.

SHAWN RYAN: You did?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, yeah. I couldn’t believe it. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so this was a Bible that they kind of put together. But yeah. And you have that. The aprons, the rings, swords and other things, all that regalia needs to be, needs to be disposed of. There’s been, I forget how many.

SHAWN RYAN: So what is the Masonic Bible?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It is…

SHAWN RYAN: What’s the difference?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It is as, I don’t know. There’s a whole lot of huge differences.

SHAWN RYAN: Okay.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, yeah. I just know when we get them, we burn them. Because it’s not a Christian Bible. I mean, it might have some books of the Bible in there and all that, but, but yeah, it’s what they have. It’s what they give you when you reach a certain level.

SHAWN RYAN: Okay. Yeah. Okay. What is…

Freemasonry and Its Influence

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: The Schofield, by the way, was a Freemason. Oh, really? Yeah. You wouldn’t believe the amount of Freemasonry, especially in this part of the world.

SHAWN RYAN: But it seems to be pretty strong.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It’s pretty strong here. Yeah. Completely antithetical. Their motto is against cross and crown. It’s just there’s been, I forget how many popes. Multiple popes. And encyclicals written by popes denouncing, you know, you cannot be Catholic and a Freemason. Why? Again, against cross and crown.

Part of the, one of their ceremonies is to, is to trample on a tiara representing the papal crown. It’s Luciferian. So it’s, you know, Luciferian is a philosophy, if you will. It’s secular humanist in its philosophy. It’s syncretistic. They trace themselves back to, you know, Solomon and the building of the temple and the Freemasons that were here and these other legends. But they also bring in other elements of different religions into it as well.

SHAWN RYAN: Well, I mean, what is the point of the Masons? I mean we see all the symbols, the pyramids, the one eye, the, you know, I mean, I don’t really know much about it, but you know, as a matter of fact, I mean the last time I was in Washington D.C., I just was looking at Google Earth trying to find a place to eat and I noticed all the roads…

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: Line up into like pyramids, triangles or diamonds and it’s, it’s creepy.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Somebody sent me. It’s odd, right where the shooter was, he said, one of my, one of my scout buddies, he said, you see where the, with that, that those four, two National Guard people were shot. One’s dead or two, the female was killed.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah, I’m not sure.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: And he said, do you see it? And I was like, no. And then he drew on there and the streets, he drew, he could see at least a satanic star right there too. So others have made his observations. Yeah, but good thing about what? Thirteen of our, of our founders, this, of the signers of the Constitution were Freemasons.

SHAWN RYAN: So is that a good thing?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, I mean that’s not a good thing. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: So what is the point? What is, what is, what are the Freemasons?

Freemasonry: Origins and Structure

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: They are, it’s a fraternal organization. It’s for men. They have female auxiliaries and stuff, daughters and the Eastern Star and others. But it’s basically was started post-reformation. Scotland, London and you know, UK, some in Germany around that same 1700 time period. That would create a fraternal organization, a secret brotherhood. And they have their own rituals and processes they work through.

They have, you know, the Freemasons, if you think of it with a. Were behind. If you ever seen the movie about the Cristero war in Mexico, they were behind that. If you weren’t a Freemason, you didn’t get a job in the government at that time in Mexico persecuting the church. Freemason. You’ll see some, you know, Jay Z and famous rappers are in Prince Hall Freemasonry.

SHAWN RYAN: So they’re.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: They’re behind. You know, they’re actually. So you have your African American Freemasonry that is some say related to the Black Panthers or some radical. And then you’ve got those that are behind some of the white supremacy and other things as well, or at least co-associated with. So it’s an organization, but they have a brotherhood based upon going through these common rituals.

But again, think of that against cross and crown. It’s against the Church and it’s against right order. And so they’re going to say that’s not true, but. And there’s different layers. There’s different layers, lower levels, or, you know, it’s brotherhood. But as you go higher up, it gets a little more. Again, I wasn’t a Freemason, but how.

SHAWN RYAN: How do you get higher up?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: You progress through. You progress through. And if you, they see that you’re, that you fit certain molds, then, yeah, they’ll let you go. And then they reveal the great architect of the universe, which from inside reports, and they’re going to deny this, but the inside reports, people that have come through this say, yeah, I know the great architect of the universe is Lucifer. So. Wow. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: So it is a.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It’s Luciferian. Yeah, Yeah. I can only tell you from the other side. I can tell you as a Catholic. It’s been denounced. You can’t be Catholic in Freemason. Listen, Canon law, it’s been denounced by several popes. Popes, there’s multiple and it’s antithetical. And even the Freemasons themselves say, yeah, Catholics technically can’t either, even though you’ll hear some. Once in a while you hear a bishop or priest say, no, they’re nice guys. They might be nice guys, but you can’t be a member of that.

Generational Curses and Freemasonry

But on the other side, we’ve seen many cases and there’s certain patterns in those cases. The G maybe probably stands for the generative principle. I’m not sure. But you’ll see it affecting having children. You’ll see women struggling to conceive often.

SHAWN RYAN: What do you mean?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Then the symbol, the compass in the square and the G in the middle. But there is an effect oftentimes of these curses on second and third generations down, where asthma, stomach disorders, very common sometimes. You’ll see we had two cases at the same, six months of each other, you know, a year, three children of boy and a girl boy and two girls. The boy was autistic. The daughter was completely without religion. Just rejected their faith. And the next daughter, the youngest was transitioning to male father was masturbation in certain, a certain type of.

A year later we get another case. This couple is inflicted. They have three children. The son’s autistic daughter is on, is completely rejected Christianity making her way back. But she had completely abandoned her faith. And then the youngest daughter was on transitioning to male. They both came from the exact same. Now coincidence. Okay, maybe.

But the curses affect the males more. Father Ripker will tell you that in his experience that in cases where there is the holding or entry point of the demon, if there’s some kind of sexual abuse, either rape or molestation. 50% of the time there’s freemasonry involved in the family. Wow. So. And again, that’s how these things kind of enter into families.

SHAWN RYAN: Damn.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: But the wrong. But they can break, you know, you can break that through by resisting and living out your faith, you know. But, but yeah, so, so those things are real.

The Unholy Trinity

SHAWN RYAN: They work through what is the unholy trinity.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. So when, when again none of us were there, we have to lean on some of the doctors of the church and the right, you know, an experience of exorcist and experience of those have gone before us. But we see a fracturing, if you will, of Satan at his fall where God when he refused to serve the incarnate God. I refuse to serve a God that will take a form lower than me, this incarnate. That’s why he hates human flesh. He hates us because we image our creator, right in his image and likeness he created us.

And so if he can mar that God’s image, you know. And so some speculation that when we see this play out in the field, we see a fracturing. We see a fracturing from one God, three persons, one person fractured into three movements or three, I hate to say energies, but three positions. So you, you see Satan, Lucifer and Beelzebub as, as names. Names for the devil of the Fallen, the fallen Angel, Lucifer, who fell loosely corresponding to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

So we see where the Holy Spirit brings life, brings unity, brings virtue, brings peace. All the fruits of the Holy Spirit. We see the opposite. And that’s the one that’s most prominent, most prevalent today.

Blood and Sexual Purity

SHAWN RYAN: You want to talk about sex and human sacrifice?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, not really.

SHAWN RYAN: I, I want to.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: That’s a terrible.

SHAWN RYAN: I hear all about this and I want to know, you know what, what are people getting out of this stuff.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: So why is it happening?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. The coin of the realm, if you will, is blood and sexual purity. And so God became man. It says in, in the book of Hebrews, without the shed of blood there is no, there is no atonement for sins. And so it’s through the blood of Jesus Christ, right, who, who fulfilled the shadow that came to the reality of the, of the, the Passover Christ is the new Passover lamb.

In John’s Gospel, the noon hour when the Passover lamb was sacrificed, Jesus is taken away. They give him wine dipped on a sponge and a sprig of hyssop. He’s wearing the priestly kiton, his garment that the soldiers cast lots for he is lamb and high priest. He’s the fulfillment of all these Old Testament, the shedding of the blood of the Passover lamb. And so he is the new Passover. And so. But he’s also virginal and pure.

And so, and so he has he. So it’s virginal purity. And his mother, who from Genesis 3:15 was prophesied to be with the Redeemer, is at the cross there with him, present with him. And so we see the perfection of humanity and Christ shedding his blood. And so, and so, and so in that two elements we see what the demon works in the opposite. So it’s blood and the deflowering, the sexual impurity.

And if God made us in his image and likeness and somehow male and female, he said male and female. He created them in, in our image. So somehow the, the triune God, one per one God is one, but three persons. We reflect the inner life of God, man and woman. And so it, the demon is constantly militating against that, against the unity of man and woman. He’s going to constantly try to distort the primary aim of marriage, which is reflect God and to bring life just as God, just as the love of the Father and the Son, the one, the two produce three, then this emanation of love, this Holy spirit.

So now 1 becomes 2 and 2 becomes 3 and 3 becomes 4, you know, and this life giving expression of human love. And so the militate against that is, brings particular delight to the demon.

SHAWN RYAN: So they’re not really getting anything out of it. They’re just torturing people to appease demons.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It is, it is thought that the demon that draws you to hell, you now serve under him in hell for eternity. So they get that if that’s true and they get the satisfaction of drawing someone away into their camp. The satisfaction of pulling a child of.

SHAWN RYAN: God away.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: From their destiny to be with God forever. They get that satisfaction to create misery. Loves company, so to speak.

Power and the Old Gods

SHAWN RYAN: What I was kind of getting at was, you know, we hear this a lot. Powerful people, politicians, Hollywood folks, sports figures, singers, whatever. People that we would consider to be very fortunate and have a lot. Whether that’s money or what, you know, whatever it is. You know, we hear a lot about what goes on. You know, stuff like Bohemian Grove in secret societies, all that kind of stuff.

And then in that there’s this trade for. Supposedly there’s this trade for power. Right, right. But maybe we get there after we talk about the old gods.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Because they’re the same.

SHAWN RYAN: They are the same.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. They’re just coming back. They’re repurposing, they’re resurfacing.

SHAWN RYAN: Let’s take a quick break. And we come back. I’m not going to wait anymore. I just want to dive right into the old God. So, okay, perfect.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Want.

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All right, we’re back from the break. We just kind of closed out with Freemasons, but I know you have, you have one more thing you wanted to say.

The Chucky Doll Case

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, the, well, the, we had another case of a Chucky doll. And this was Freemasonic. This is a high level Freemason. And this case was, was again, the demon militates to absurdity. And so the focus needs to be on Christ. The second focus is what are the obstacles and the third is what the demon’s doing. But sometimes when he militates to a really absurd thing like a Chucky doll, you’ll, you’ll, you’ll wake up and go, hey, I got a, I got to change my life.

So this guy was a high ranking guy. He, he, he, he starts having kids and he once, you know, starts having that movement of conversion to come into the church and he, his wife goes in to clean up the toys and one night the kids are in bed, picks up a teddy bear and the teddy bear head turns, comes alive and says, “They’re mine. Leave us alone. These are mine. Leave us alone.”

And these are, you know, articulate, educated people. You know, they’re not kooky, they’re just regular guys. You know, she throws the thing down and runs off, you know, and that sparked their conversion, okay? And then going through their conversion, going back into the church. And this is oftentimes when you see, feel the effects of curses is when you start seeing these moments.

SHAWN RYAN: This guy that’s experiencing the Chucky doll, he was a high level Freemason.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: He was, he was at the time or he was, he had left it, he was leaving it.

SHAWN RYAN: Okay.

The Power of Natural Law in Deliverance

And so all this stuff starts lighting up in his life, including this and other problems with the children and typical things that are happening. Children having problems and confusions, these other things.

And so we’re running through, this is the “Deliverance Prayers for the Laity” book in the back. I gave you one last time I was here.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah. You just pulled that out.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, just a minute ago. In the back, there’s renunciation prayers that you can do and I’ll put on the show notes and the webpage, you can see how it works. Who should pray, the breaking of the curses. So we talk about generational curses and this is more of an active type of curse of Freemasonry. There’s other types as well we’ll get into.

But in this case we’re doing the renunciations and in preparation for potential prayer. And the guy, so we’re doing our protocol. You do it once a week in a sacred place once a week for three weeks. Now if they’re in our system, then our team is assisting in that. If they’re not, you can do it on your own. But if they’re in the system for other activity that you kind of clean up.

So we’re going through. And every week when we got to that section where he was, what he did in his previous life, the wife starts choking, coughing. And then the next week, and there’s Freemasonry in both family lines as well. And then the next week we do it, same thing. We get to this certain section that I know he was a member of and at least fairly high ranking guy, not all the way up, he didn’t see the total dark stuff, but high enough that he was moving his way. He starts coughing again, kind of a coughing fit again.

I’m a cab scout. You watch for movements, you’re looking for patterns, just like you. Okay, interesting. Week three. So you do it three weeks in a row, go to confession every week and work through that. And then after the third time, the curse is broken.

And so the third week we’re going through, I’ve got a couple team members there and one of the parents were there. And we get to that same section within the last couple weeks, you just kind of cough and choke up. She starts getting choked out like an invisible hand.

SHAWN RYAN: Just went, no kidding?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so the guys are looking at me like, what are you doing? What are you going to do? And I know I’m going to get destroyed by the pastor for doing this. He’s going to be like, what the heck are you doing? I’m going to run over and get the priest to save my bacon.

So I had known them, they had been going to confession. They’re working way through the state of grace. So I said, all right. And they’re looking at me. And so, I was a pilot. You know what I mean? So we’re just on the outside. Cool.

SHAWN RYAN: You know what I mean?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Sunglasses. We got the scarf. Air medals dangling, upside down and inverted. Super cool. But on the inside, I’m like, oh, man, I’m really screwed here. And meanwhile, she’s choking. I mean, like, face turning red, eyes going out, like, what’s going on?

So I say to the husband, hey, do me a favor. Raise your hand. And he wants you to say, “In the name of Jesus Christ, I bind any demon afflicting my wife, and I command you, go to the foot of the cross.” I was like, yeah, this will take care of it. Nothing. What the heck? This happened fast. She’s starting to choke out.

And I was like, all right. And then I, all I can say is my guardian angel didn’t talk to me very much, but I had a quick inspiration, right? And I’m writing this chapter on natural law. I’m trying to understand demonic psychology, how they’re, I understand St. Thomas and I understand the biblical understanding of this authority and natural law.

And so, but I’m trying to work them through it as a scholar, but I’ve never seen it in real time. It’s like you breaking down your 1911 a hundred times, but you got to actually go to the range. So I’m understanding ballistics, but I’m not understanding how to use this weapon.

And so, and again, a demon is bound by that natural law that he’s created under. And she, meanwhile, she’s choking out. So I just said, okay, I want you to say, “In the name of Jesus Christ and by the authority given to you, given to me through natural law, by God, the Father Almighty is having authority over this flesh. I command you to leave my wife alone immediately and go to the foot of the cross.”

And he says that prayer. And the minute he says that prayer, it goes away. Wow. So invoking, I saw it happen. Invoking natural law, right? It was incredible.

And so the late, they, after everything calmed down, and she catches her breath, and she gets her color back. And the husband goes, why did that work? And not just invoking? I said, look, I said, I don’t know. He said, what do you mean you don’t know? You’re the expert. I’m like, I said, you know, it ain’t stupid if it works, right?

And I said, no, here’s what I think. I think God wanted you to learn that your family is in a battle. And you’re the one. You got to be the guy that breaks this. You’re the tip of the spear. And you need to start asserting yourself as the head of household and be the man and man up and fight this fight.

And wife, you need to let him lead, let him fight this fight, and you support him and you fight it, too. But as a mama bear, right? I didn’t tell him. And God was showing me the understanding, the intricacy of how the demon works and how natural law and how they work and they respond to that.

And, not every weapon works in every situation. You go loaded for all sorts of things. You don’t throw a grenade in when you don’t need to. You don’t break out, so this is, this. But this was really helped me understand.

So we see the effect of the Freemasonic curse. We see the generation, the generations involved. We see the attack on the children. We see the power of a father’s prayer to break those curses. And so that’s when I started to see how wicked this stuff is, but also at the same time focusing back on Christ. That family is now, strong, working together and going to mass. I mean, they’re through that phase of their life. Thanks be to God, man.

SHAWN RYAN: Wow, you have seen some stuff.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, it’s.

SHAWN RYAN: Jeez.

The Five Generals of Hell

Well, let’s move into the old gods. You ready? Historical and biblical contexts of first false gods in the Old Testament. Baal, Asherah, Moloch, Ammon, and Rephan. Did I say those correct?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, those are just Rephan. Yeah. Rephan. We have basically under, Satan, Lucifer, Beelzebub. Those are the principal titles that roughly, I’ve mentioned before. Roughly. Everything he does is a mimic of a mockery, an aping of the true, the good, the beautiful. Everything he does, he can create nothing.

This is why we saw, we talked about it last time. This God mentioned in Exodus 1:11. Well, he’s not mentioned, but the cities are mentioned. If Egypt and the principal deity of the pharaohs would embody. And this particular pharaoh, this particular time, and at different times was this demon Atum.

And he would, before we get into the big gods, okay, this particular Egyptian God is known as the Great Masturbator, the great he-she, because everything goes back to that original creation of Adam and Eve, right? And also everything goes back to the proto-evangelium. Genesis 3:15, a redeemer will come.

And so from the beginning the enemy is working against this. And what he would do is he would, and I’m sorry, this is not for every audience, but he would ingest his own semen and then spit children out of his mouth. And this is how, because the demon can’t create. So this was in this particular worship, this is how he did it. This ancient God. Because they, because again they, they take anyway.

SHAWN RYAN: They take what?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, it’s the power of regeneration, it’s the unity of male and female that most approximates the life giving love of the internal life of the Trinity. The mystery of what God was doing before he created, living in himself sufficient, but out of love, creating us and the angels to serve us and to serve him and to be custodians over creation. And so we see this type of mockery from the beginning.

Now some of the main deity that you’ll see in the Old Testament, we see it play out in different cultures. In the second century there was a church writer named Tertullian in Africa. He’s writing like 150, 180 AD and he talks about the five prefects, the five prefects or five generals in hell, that Satan who has five generals underneath him.

And roughly speaking, now different exorcists and different writers have speculated who these five are. But more or less, you’ll see a pattern. And the beginning is Baal, which means lord or husband, right? And Hosea, we say, no longer you call your God’s, my Baal, but my husband, right, you will call me my husband. God is the Lord, God is the Lord, God is the spouse. Israel was in a spousal relationship with God.

So Baal is constantly, so Baal is, militates against that spousal relationship. So Baal is the principal demon of impurity. Impurity. So that’s the first thing that comes in the actions of Baal is to separate the procreative act to its intended natural law end, which is children. So you’re separating sex from procreation, but he’s a demon of impurity. And they come in different names, they get repurposed, recycled in different names in different cultures and different time periods.

After Baal, Asmodeus. Asmodeus is the principal demon of homosexuality, male homosexuality. So once you separate procreation from the marital act. Sex becomes only ordered towards individual pleasure. Then sex between men. As St. Paul says in Romans, they begin lusting men for men and women for women.

After Asmodeus is Leviathan, principal deity of female homosexuality, of the masculine kind. And then Lilith, which we see playing out in scripture. Ashtara, Ishtar, Inanna, these are different names for her. This is the seductive but female lesbian and bisexual and female lesbianism.

And then finally the fifth general, if you will, is in the modern period, we call them Baphomet, which is a repurposing in many ways and shares many characteristics of Moloch, which is a child. That’s a God of child sacrifice.

Now, the three main ones, Baal, Ishtar, or Ashtara and Moloch are the three main ones that the Israelites kept falling into. One was used fertility for divine favors or for war, fertility and to appease in times of great need. So those are the, roughly speaking, again, they get, it gets complex. So these gods are.

SHAWN RYAN: Is this almost like a hierarchy of specific sins?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Does that make.

SHAWN RYAN: Like if you were to put every genre of sin into some type of a, some type of, for lack of a better word, a kingdom, chain of command.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: Organization of demons. You have, this sounds like you have one head demon or false God.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: And then five generals over that specific sin that would distribute their kingdom into the, into five. Now other writers, ecclesial writers would had seven.

SHAWN RYAN: I mean, so there’s a, there’s a child sacrifice. That is, that’s a sin, right? So at the top of that sin is Moloch, right?

So how did, how did Baal, Moloch, Ishtar, all these false gods. I mean, how did they, how did they get the word out to people that they want people to sacrifice children? They want them to engage in homosexuality and that, all that. How do they, I mean, how does it come about?

The Ancient Gods and Modern Worship

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, I think they—I mean, man is, as St. Augustine said, is created towards God. Our hearts are restless. They find only rest in God, in Him. And so man is created as philosophically as a homo religiosis. Man is a religious being, and man is religious by nature. We’re made from God, we come from Him. We’re image and likeness.

And something about us drives us back to union with Him. You know, like, remember the Iron Giant? You probably showed your kids the show, the Iron Giant, right? In the end, he blows up and then he’s starting to bring himself back together to God. And we’re kind of like that. We’re blown up as humans, but little by little we bring ourselves back together and we’re driven back to God.

And so they present some aspect of God that’s, or some aspect of connection with the divine or with the other, the preternatural. And the pagan Gentiles at this time, talking about the Old Testament, they didn’t have the true God. That was Israel’s job to go into the nations and through their holiness, convert the nations.

And it wasn’t until Israel failed, right? And those who failed did not—that the church now became the new Israel. That the church is going to be proclaimed to the nations. That’s the movement from Judaism to proclaim to the Gentiles. And this is what was most striking here. As we go into the Christmas season, you listen to the readings at Mass and it’s talking about going to the Gentiles and the nations, the pagan nations.

And these are the people that the Jews couldn’t believe it. They called them dogs, right? They’re filthy dogs. You’ve been in the Middle East. You know what those dogs like. They’re not nice creatures. They’re wicked. They’re half jackal. They’re scavengers. And this is the way the Jewish people saw the Gentiles.

And so God is going to offer a new covenant to these dogs, right? Jesus himself, when the woman—she was a Greek woman, Syrophoenician woman—goes to Jesus. “My daughter’s possessed.” “I can’t give to the little dogs what belongs to the children,” right? To test your faith.

Now that “little dog” is a loaded phrase because when Moses tells the people when they go into the promised land, “Don’t do in the land of Canaan, right? As you know, don’t do their types of worship. You don’t offer a harlot’s price or a dog’s feet,” right? So talking about temple prostitution and what is a dog, right? There’s even, you know, it’s male temple prostitutes, right? Don’t have sex like they do, right? Don’t have sex with your mom. Don’t have sex—none of this ancestral stuff that, you know, how does a dog copulate? A dog copulates indiscriminately, right?

And so that’s what the dogs did. And so Jesus is in this case, testing her faith. Even she says, “Even the dogs get a scrap, you know, from the table.”

So these old gods keep resurfacing. And again, I mentioned Atum, and then we’ll go into the other gods. But there was a performance artist, and I forget what he even calls himself. His name was P Orridge. What was the Genesis P Orridge, of all things. And he did the same thing. Some sources say that he ingested his own semen daily. He and his wife call themselves “they,” androgynous. They’re the perfect human. And they altered their bodies to be surgically to mirror each other in some strange way. I mean, you can’t make it up. You can’t make it up.

They’re the great he-she. This goes all the way back to Egypt. Yeah. But it begins with impurity and introduces homosexuality. And then after that, child sacrifice. So they would do different rituals, you know, Baal, Ishtar and Molech. And at some form, sometimes it’s Milcom, the Moabites, or Chemosh with the, you know. But it’s those basic or the big three in the Old Testament that keep resurfacing in the life of Israel.

Where are they today? They’re still here.

SHAWN RYAN: Still worshiping them?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Hell, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Because there’s power. They can get power.

Ritualistic Sex and Ancient Practices

Ritualistic sex is, you know, you know.

SHAWN RYAN: The word or, you know, part of ritualistic sex.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, it’s either done as part of initiation. Right. I’ve known people have contacted, “Hey, I did, you know, go down to a cemetery and have sex on top of a pentagram.” I mean, that’s ritualistic sex with a prostitute or with another member of the church, you know, that’s ritualistic sex. Or it’s orgies, you know. You know, like the Dionysian rites. You know, other stuff you hear about.

What I found kind of interesting is the word “orgy” or “gay,” right, is the Greek word for wrath. It’s this—it’s not this loving, sweet, you know, Luther Vandross in the background, quiet, sacred moment. This is violent sex. They’re talking about ritualistic. I never, you know, you’re about like the P. Diddy parties. That didn’t sound like a very loving environment.

SHAWN RYAN: No, you know what I mean?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: But whether they did it ritualistically or not, sometimes it was ritualistic. With Baal, it would be more ritualistic. With Ishtar, it’s going to be more in the groves. It’s going to be more in the woods. You know, the Dionysian rituals kind of fall into that. Bisexual. You know, these ancient rituals go way back.

The Roman historian Livy describes this cult coming in. By cult, I mean a type of worship, okay, that would—

SHAWN RYAN: That.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: That this deity from the east, from the Greeks, named Dionysus, right. And so they were—again, demons are agents of chaos. So they were Antinomian is the name. It’s a fancy word. I spend a lot of money to learn fancy words. I got to drop them once in a while. Okay, so “nomos” is law or norms. “Anti” means against.

So their rituals are deliberately prescribed to challenge norms. Sexual norms, gender norms, societal norms. Slaves and masters, in this case, you know. And so they would—it started off being women going in, and their leaders, the main ones that led it were called Maenads. Where we get “maniac,” right? And there would be wine and some scholars think might have been laced with primitive narcotics to get into an altered state and then turned into these orgies.

And so again, against the norms, Greek women were always kept very close in the house. So they go out, let their hair out, they party, they have sex. You know, men started wanting to join. This is Livy, okay, the Roman historian. He’s describing this period in Roman history and they—men started joining and they had to challenge norms. If you want to be in a women’s group, you have to lose your manhood.

And so Livy describes this scenario and I got copies. I’ll give them to you if you want to read what he says. But he says, “Yeah. And they would beat the drums loudly because those who resisted that were taken into caves and slaughtered, sacrificed.” So wicked.

So it comes into Rome this way and it gets kind of filtered into the God Bacchus and then Liber. But he warns the Senate about letting this into the Roman citizenry. So it gets morphed and changed a little bit for the taste of the Romans, but we see it moving through.

But again, the Olympic ceremony, was that Beelzebub? That’s one of the names of Satan. That’s, I mean, the primordial. Oh, gods. We see—did you see the image in the of a fly coming down? You know, a performance artist had a costume of a fly coming down on like on a string, you know, that kind of looked like Beelzebub to me, the Lord of the Flies, the Lord of the dung heap.

What’s interesting, you go back to sexuality.

SHAWN RYAN: Do you think these people know what this is?

Beelzebub: The Lord of the Flies

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I don’t know. I think some of them do. I think some of them are as what Stalin would call useful idiots. And I think some of them know precisely what they’re doing.

Going the Gotthard tunnel, that if you ever look that up, if you don’t understand, if that doesn’t strike you as wicked, that ceremony that was there, what was there? It was just same stuff. It was the same kind of occultic, satanic imagery and opening up of this tunnel, you know.

Or, yeah, so we see these images, you know, Baal is interesting, is the demon of impurity and the demon of fear. And so he’s in particular very, very powerful today. Very common in many of our cases is this particular one.

And so the Old Testament, you’ll read, you’ll see Beelzebub in the New Testament. Beelzebub, okay? And so his real name is Beelzebul, and it’s the Lord of the house, the Lord of the temple. So it’s a mockery of the Holy Spirit, the Lord God alone, his presence, His Shekinah presence, the glory cloud dwelling in the tabernacle. He is the Lord of the house, not him.

So in the Old Testament, you’ll see it often translated, Beelzebub, not the Lord of the house, the Lord of the flies, Lord of the dung heap, Lord of refuse. And so that’s where you see this name. You’ll see the difference in that name.

But it’s a demon of impurity and fear came on the sky. Once the priest asked me, I told him to sell this case is track. And I write it out and I explain it. This is the problem. This is who you’re up against. Here’s his vulnerabilities. He’s going to be vulnerable on Mondays. He’s going to be vulnerable to our lady of Guadalupe species coming up. It’s going to be vulnerable to—because if he’s the Lord of the Flies, right, if he is mockery of the Holy Spirit, then he’s going to have a vulnerability to the Virgin Mary because who is the spouse of the Holy Spirit. It was through the Holy Spirit that she conceived the God man.

So I give this reading to him and I write it out and the priest starts going after it. And right in the middle of the priest’s—the priest is hammering, he starts correcting the priest that’s not my name. And then he looks at me and he corrects my Hebrew because my Hebrew was sloppy. It was not correct. I didn’t put the suffix. I didn’t spell it out phonetically correctly.

Corrects my Hebrew, goes back to the priest, corrects him, goes back to me, looks at me, looks back at the priest. Nobody knew that that email went out. But that’s the guy. That’s who we’re—damn. The Lord of the Flies.

Why do you—

SHAWN RYAN: I mean, why do you—what?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: What?

The Knowledge of Ancient Powers

SHAWN RYAN: So I’m still relatively new at this, but I’m fascinated by the subject. I want to learn more about it, you know, but there’s not a lot of, you know, what I’ve learned isn’t—there are not a lot of people that know about Baal, Ishtar, Moloch. Yeah, there’s not. I mean, there’s a—Darren, my editor, I’ve talked to him about this for years. Jeremy, my producer, he met him, he talked to him about this stuff a little bit.

But, but, you know, if you go out and start just asking, you know, I would say random people, but family members, people that are close to me. There’s not a lot of people that know about this stuff.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Stuff.

SHAWN RYAN: But, you know, the people that do seem to know about it are powerful people, very powerful people. What do you—I mean, what’s your take on this? You’ve been in this for a long time.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, it sure seems that way.

SHAWN RYAN: Why is that?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, I think it’s power. I think it’s power. I think so.

SHAWN RYAN: Did they get the, you know where I’m getting—did they get the power from worshiping that or did they have the power and that is what attracted the demon?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, I mean, look down in Mexico. I read an article not long ago that the police down there are—the Federales are now going to Santa Muerte for protection. Right. For protection against—they’re abandoning their Catholic faith to go because they can get power and protection more quickly. You know, that’s so it’s the expedite. It’s the thirst for power is what draws people there at some sort. And that power comes through these rituals.

SHAWN RYAN: So how do they find this stuff out?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I think, I mean, I don’t know.

SHAWN RYAN: Anything about this, you know, and it—

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Didn’t take much on the Internet to search trying to figure this stuff out.

SHAWN RYAN: I mean, there’s just not, I mean, full police forces. There is now in Mexico, but maybe—

Witchcraft, Curses, and Spiritual Mockery

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Not all of them, but there are. There are some that are doing it. But again, everything’s a mockery. What is Santa Muerte, right? It’s often an image of Our Lady Guadalupe and a skull. And who is she? The new Eve, right? Prophesied when we talked to the very first segment, Genesis 3:15.

She is the one who will crush the head of the serpent. She is perfect virginal purity. She is the mother of the Redeemer. She is the daughter of the Father, the spouse of the Holy Spirit that even sees it this way. He sees it very clearly this way.

And so he’s going to militate directly against that through something. That’s it. It’s a mockery of the Virgin Mother. And so that’s why she’s very powerful in this day and age. This is why she’s a powerful image. Because she, in her person and her perfect purity, she militates against. This is why she’s there at nearly every extraction. Because of her unique place in the mystical body. And the demon knows that. Because she embodies something, a deeper spiritual reality that we don’t see.

I did my doctoral thesis, right, on New Eve in the image of a woman, and John’s Gospel and some early church fathers and Song of Songs, if you remember. The Song of Songs, it’s a love poem, you know, and how this image of woman is reflected and gets developed over time, as in the Mary as New Eve.

So we’re in a session with this particular case, and I said, okay, Father, read. Have your deacon read John, chapter two, the wedding feast of Cana, because he calls his mother woman. All right? On the third day, which is begun in John’s gospel, on the first day, on the beginning of creation, the beginning was the word. And then three times John says, the next day, the next day, the next day. So now we’re on the seventh day.

We’re getting a new creation and the nuptial wedding feast where Jesus is approached for wine instead of the bridegroom. And there is no mention of a bride except for his mother. We have God seeing the perfection of humanity and her wedding himself as in a new covenant and a wedding in this nuptial embrace with humanity. And he calls her woman as a new Eve, right? So just read that.

And then that was like two weeks prior. And then during the session, Father’s doing the minor exorcism. The demon goes ballistic, runs over to the deacon, starts screaming at him, “I command you to stop reading that. Stop reading that.”

So I walk over, I’m like, dude, Priest shuts it down, makes him stop. Dude, what are you reading? Because I’m just reading John, chapter two, like he told me. Oh, sorry, I forgot. And then read Revelation, chapter 11, 19, and then chapter 12. We see John sees a manifestation. He sees a theophany of God. He sees the Ark of the Covenant.

And then he sees the woman cloud with the sun, with the moon on her feet. Like that image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. She appeared to the native indigenous people there in the 1500s, right? And she says, when Juan Diego says, who should I tell the bishop you are? He says in the native tongue, he hears. The Spaniard hears the name Guadalupe because there’s already a shrine. Guadalupe. She says, Guadalupe. Or something along. “I’m the one who crushes the stone serpent. I’m the one who crushes stone serpent,” right? Genesis 3:15.

Then I meet a guy a couple weeks ago struggling terribly with transgender, right? Then that stone serpent was the demon God, Quetzalcoatl. I meet this guy, he’s struggling with gender dysphoria. He’s a mess. And he heard me tell one of these stories, and he said, I’m a little nervous. I said, why? He said, I just changed my. I changed. I turned 18. I changed my name to Quetzalcoatl. Of all the things that change your name, you know, the demons are territorial.

I said, you need to develop devotion to the Lady, Our Lady of Guadalupe. You need that image in your house to fight this thing off. Just keeps coming back.

SHAWN RYAN: So.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: But the bottom line is they get power through it. But the demon is willing to use anybody that’s willing to party with them. He’s willing to use them, but you’ve got various levels of people that know what they’re doing.

SHAWN RYAN: Wow. Wow runs real deep.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, it runs. You know, it’s like that. Remember the Billy Joel song, “We Didn’t Start the Fire”? You know, I knew people that memorized all those. I didn’t. I couldn’t.

SHAWN RYAN: Are you one of them?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No. I like the song, though. I guess I don’t want to say because it’ll get stuck in our head and we won’t be able to get rid of it all day. Yeah, we didn’t start this fire. This started from the beginning. It’s the same old shoot ’em up catechism.

The Catholic Church 409 says all of human history is one of our combat with the forces of evil. And so we see these same evils resurfacing. But that’s in the same patterns. It’s impurity, the separation of male and female and appropriate about homosexuality, male, female, and then child sacrifice.

The Fall of Nations and God’s Order

SHAWN RYAN: This is how all these nations ended. Correct. So the Roman Empire, it’s all.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: You can kind of see it that way. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah. Right. I mean, it’s talked about a lot.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, but.

SHAWN RYAN: And I think about this too. But God didn’t. He didn’t like nations, correct?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, he appointed angels to guard the nations. No, I think he. I think order. God is a God of order. It’s disorder. I mean.

SHAWN RYAN: But isn’t the new. Isn’t the new Israel supposed to be everybody? No, it’s not just.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: New Israel is a church according to Catholic Church teaching. Supersessionism is the name. That’s another. I can get my money out of that word. But it’s when the church now is the new Israel. Right. The Jerusalem above, she is our mother, the new Baptist. I mean, the. You know, St. Paul says you were circumcised and circumflex your flesh. You were sure that baptism is now the new circumcision. It’s baptism that brings us in the covenant communion with God. No longer circumcision. It’s baptism.

SHAWN RYAN: So circumcision bad?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No, you just don’t have to. It’s just not. It’s not. It’s. It pointed to something else. It pointed us to baptism. Circumcision is not bad or good. It’s. If you want to make that choice.

SHAWN RYAN: You know, where did the circumcision come from?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It came back from the whole point. What’s that?

SHAWN RYAN: What is the point?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. No, it’s just something God prescribed. That’s a good question. But God prescribed circumcision as part of entry into covenant communion.

SHAWN RYAN: So.

Shadows Pointing to Christ

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: And now, when you. Now. But again, what happened? St. Paul says these were the shadows. The reality points to Christ. In Colossians 2:17, these are the shadows that the Greek literally says the reality. Or that points to the body of Christ, the Soma to Christ.

So everything points us. All these old shadows point to the body of Christ, Body of Christ on the cross, the body of Christ in the manger, the body of Christ, the church, the body of Christ in the Eucharist. And so all these shadows point you to the eye of Christ.

And this is why they would mock most of the Satanic rituals are a mockery of the Eucharist. And there’s ancient rituals that go back. The Borborites, Fibionites, you can look these things up. Epiphanius of Salamis, Saint Clement of Alexandria, talk about these infiltrators into the church that were doing Eucharistic, what they call agape meals, Eucharistic celebrations.

But instead of a well ordered, nice Latin Mass, they were having an orgy and they were doing just the things that we talked about. Smearing of blood, ingesting semen, offering semen to God, saying, “This is my body” in mockery of the Eucharist. Because it’s a mockery of the Eucharist. All these shadows point to the reality of Christ, Jesus Christ in his body. But the occult rituals work in the opposite.

SHAWN RYAN: You know, we’ve covered most of this. I wanted to get into witchcraft, curses and rituals. But I see, you know, Abramović in there, that artist, what is she. There’s a lot of talk about her paintings, who she’s around.

The Nature of Curses and Ritual

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah. If you look again, look at the Borbarites of similar stuff. Freemasonry is—there’s three types of curses, as I mentioned. There’s natural curses, there’s generational curses, and then there’s these preternatural curses within that.

You have things like Freemasonry, the orgy, alchemy. And these are more Luciferian, just trying to invoke God. I mean, false gods, conscript demons, etc. Satan.

There’s another type we call Rosicrucianism, roughly, or pelican witchcraft. I mean, the first is Rosicrucian type incantations. And there’s what we call pelican witchcraft. Pelican witchcraft, or those types of witchcraft used more bodily, again, a mockery of the whole Eucharist.

And so you’ll see bodily things, it’s more bodily blood, etc. And so those types of things are highly liturgical, highly symbolic.

Remember, if you go back to the Old Testament and if you look at the priesthood, what the priests did, there are three separations that set apart the priests: time, space and status. Time separated, set apart. Right.

Moses says, or God says to Moses, “Set apart Aaron’s sons in Exodus, anoint their hands that they may serve as priests for me.” And that word to be holy, to anoint, to set apart. The word to be holy means to be set apart. That calls for all of us need to be set apart in this world, to live in holiness.

But what was set apart? Time, status and space. So we had sacred space. You have a tabernacle, we have sacred time, liturgical calendar. And then you have person, status, priesthood, and what the ritual in the Old Testament, understanding.

And we carry this into New Testament, you know, the New Testament. And then the Catholic liturgy, we see ritual brings order. Where there’s chaos, it brings clean where there is unclean. Right. It brings life where there is death, it’s separating. Ritual helps to separate these things. That’s what ritual does.

It’s man’s engagement with the cosmos. Okay, this makes a point, it makes its relative. So man engages with the cosmos through liturgy, through this separate part. So liturgy is important. Catholic Mass is important.

The demon knows. We have demons that will manifest on certain feast days every time. And they’re vulnerable on certain feast days because God always sends help from the mystical body. And the demon tracks the liturgical calendar, the time, space, status, order, out of chaos, life out of death, clean from unclean, pure from unpure.

So holiness, where there is unholiness, these separations are through liturgy. But the demon works in the opposite, constantly bringing death.

So you talk about the modern day Molech, right? Baphomet. And what’s his tattoo on his arm? It’s a—it comes from a couple centuries ago, alchemy. “Solve et coagula,” to dissolve, break down and reconstruct, put back together.

So that’s what the enemy works. So their rituals do the same thing, just in the diabolic inverse of what our liturgy does. They try to break day, party, bring chaos where there is order, they try to bring impurity where there’s purity, darkness where there’s light, unclean where there is clean.

So ritual is what stands in between. And the occultists know this, they know this. And so that there’s all but that. Think about that principle to break down and to reconstruct. And that’s what—that’s where kind of our culture is kind of undergoing. To break it down, to reconstruct it. The new world order. That’s kind of the way it works. Deconstruct it. Right? To break down norms, to reconstruct it to something new.

SHAWN RYAN:

I mean, definitely makes sense. I mean, we’re seeing it happen. Yeah, we’re watching it.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

They’re agents of chaos. A demon by, in its, in his nature is an agent of chaos. It’s in chaos that he is cast down to the earth. And it’s in chaos that he continues to work. That’s why. So they’re constantly going to move towards chaos to solve it. Coagula, to break it down for chaos, to coagulate something else in a different way that’s not going to be Christian.

Orchestration of Evil

SHAWN RYAN:

You know, a lot of people think this stuff is orchestrated by a group of people or a particular country or maybe a religious group or something like that. What are—I mean, what are your thoughts on—Yeah, I think that this is all orchestrated. I mean, I don’t—I guess what I’m saying is I think a lot of people think that this is potentially orchestrated by humans and all the humans that are partaking in dissolving and destructing and rebuilding whatever we want to call it, they think that they all know each other and it’s this elaborate network of human beings.

Do you think that, or do you think that all these human beings are being manipulated by one demon, a group of demons, and they’re the ones that are orchestrating this? And the human, the human aspect, the human doesn’t actually know even maybe realize that it’s being orchestrated.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

I think it’s probably both. And I think there is certain people working towards real destruction. They know exactly what they’re doing. They know exactly what they’re doing. And there’s others that are just willing participants.

I mean, not everybody that went to these ancient rituals were there because they had great devotion to this deity. They went there for the power, for the connection, for the sex or whatever, with experience. So who knows?

SHAWN RYAN:

I guess what I’m saying is that, yes, I do. I have no idea, but I think it’s obvious that there are humans that know exactly what they’re doing. I guess what I’m saying is, is there any one human who’s orchestrating this who has the big picture? You know, does that make sense?

Yeah, that has the big picture that’s moving—it’s moving the pieces on the chessboard. You do this, you do that, you do this. Or is this all—you know, I mean, I know that they know, like, hey, we’re worshiping Lucifer. We are—

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

I think there’s those that do that willfully and they’re happily doing. They’ve been doing it for probably generations.

SHAWN RYAN:

But they don’t understand the magnitude and then how it’s all orchestrated in coming together.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

I don’t think there’s—I don’t personally think there’s one person.

SHAWN RYAN:

There’s not a guy in a tower somewhere.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah. No, I don’t think there’s a guy in a tower anywhere that’s going—

SHAWN RYAN:

I do think Lucifer himself, correct?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah, he’s the guy in the tower, and his five generals are the ones—

SHAWN RYAN:

That are transmitting the information to the humans.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

No, but I think they’re—

SHAWN RYAN:

Hey, we’re winning. Hey, we’re not winning.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah, I think there’s a lot of willful participants in it. You know, I think we have to get beyond the paradigm that we think in terms of Democrat and Republican. We got to start thinking of the difference between good and evil. The battles between good and evil. And the demon’s going to constantly try to keep the chaos, create confusion.

Symbolism in Modern Culture

SHAWN RYAN:

Do you see any symbolism? And, you know, a lot of this stuff, these Hollywood parties where they’re eating food off naked bodies. And what—what is the symbolism there? What does that represent?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Well, again, it’s a mockery of the Eucharist of the Mass. “This is my body.”

SHAWN RYAN:

Or you see these paintings of—is it Charles, that has the painting of Abramovich and there’s like some kind of—I can’t remember if it’s a pentagram or a demon or Lucifer himself. It’s in the painting. And you, like—do you know what I’m saying?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

But it’s hidden.

SHAWN RYAN:

It’s hidden in the painting.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

It’s in the painting. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN:

Well, the devil real, or is that—

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah, I mean, how much of it is just psyops? How much of his real is probably, you know, psyops?

SHAWN RYAN:

Is there any coincidence? Any of it a coincidence?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

I don’t think there’s any coincidence.

SHAWN RYAN:

I mean, I don’t either.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

I’m not a big proponent that—yeah, I think coincidences. We’re starting to see things in real time and space. So I think—but I think the battle is—I think the battle is on and Christ is calling his church to get back to—

SHAWN RYAN:

Do you think that the purchaser of the painting understands what’s inside there? You do?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah, I do. Or there’s—

SHAWN RYAN:

The artist just did. I mean, okay, like Disney, for example, is perfect example. I don’t know what they’re doing now because I don’t really pay attention and my kids don’t watch Disney. But, you know, I remember when I was growing up, at some point in time, some kid in my school had figured out that, oh, if you look at—if you watch Aladdin, when they rub the genie bottle and the genie pops out, it spells “sex.”

If you look at the Little Mermaid, the cover of the Little Mermaid, you know, back in the 90s, the cover of the movie, you know, it’s a golden castle undersea. But if you look closely, all of the towers are penises. You’ve seen this?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

No.

SHAWN RYAN:

You’ve seen—

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

I mean, I remember there’s a ton of this.

SHAWN RYAN:

Yeah, there’s a—I mean, I can’t remember all of it, but I verified all of them when I was in middle school or however old I was. I was like, holy—this is all—this is actually—this is real.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN:

You know, it’s not a—and so, I mean, you see this, the symbolism everywhere, you know.

I’ll tell you another thing that I don’t know what to think. Maybe a long time ago here, me and my wife and another couple were looking around at some big, big acreages, like, way, way out in the middle of nowhere, you know, 500, 600 acres. We go to this compound and it was, you know, all these houses, small, like cabins. It was like a big hunt property, you know.

And so we go down there and we’re looking all these people, like, not all these people, like two cars fleet. And we get there, there’s all these—it’s like these hippies, they’re like, well, oh, what do you guys do? Do you own this place? We went there with the realtor, you know, and like, oh, no, we just work here. We’re fermenting food and all this other—and we go in the cabin. There’s like, no canned nothing. Yeah, like, what’s—this is weird.

So we go down, we look at another cabin and walk in. There’s a golf simulator. There’s an upstairs. We go upstairs, there’s this little room. And look on the wall. And there’s a pentagram. And right under the pentagram, there’s a mattress.

And on every point on the pentagram, there was these, like, magazine cutouts of scenes of nature. Like, there was a mountain view scene, like a beach scene. Every point on the pentagram was a different landscape photo in a different ecosystem, different environment. And then there were chairs all around the bed. Yeah. What did—I mean, what is that? Have you seen that before?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Well, no, I haven’t seen it.

SHAWN RYAN:

We see it, and I’m like, okay. I was with another SEAL and his wife. So it’s like, all right, well, yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

But I’ve seen other similar things and properties and—yeah, this is where rituals are taking place and they’re trying to open a portal there. I mean, this is like way, way—

SHAWN RYAN:

Out in the boonies.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN:

Like two and a half hours from anywhere.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Why do you keep landing? How do you keep ending up on these scenarios?

SHAWN RYAN:

I’m an explorer.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Yeah. Yeah. Most people never see this in their lives. And you’re catching this stuff. Yeah, those—this would have been formal assistance, formal rituals to open portal.

Opening Portals

SHAWN RYAN:

And what do you mean, open a portal?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

There are certain things you can do to open up—

SHAWN RYAN:

Open up, open, open up. What comes in or out of the portal?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Demons. I mean, that’s—rituals performed that open up. And this space now becomes the opposite of sacred space. It becomes the opposite of a church or the tabernacle that’s present that has the presence of angels, that has the presence of God there. It’s just an opposite of that.

SHAWN RYAN:

Are they aware of when the portal opens?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER:

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SHAWN RYAN:

What happens?

Cults, Ideologies and Distinctions

SHAWN RYAN: You know, what is the synagogue of Satan?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, so there’s a lot of talk on that today. Very popular topic. For me, from scripture, that phrase is used twice in the book of Revelation. You have two churches there of the Smyrna in Philadelphia. I think in that time period there would have been intense persecution.

People think, we often think in history that the Romans persecuted the church. At the beginning, it was largely the Jewish leaders that rejected Christ as Messiah that persecuted the church. And so this is probably words that St. John wrote about the time of that, of that was happening.

Remember, Revelation says these are the thing that has happened, is happening and will happen in the future. Revelation is polyvalent in its meaning. But so John is writing about what’s happening. There are those who claim to be Jews, but they’re not. It says, that’s the synagogue of Satan.

And so for John, he’s the same guy that wrote in the end of his Gospel, “the world can’t contain the books that were written, but these things were written so that you might believe that Jesus is the son of God and have, and through him have life in his name.” And so those who reject that Jesus as Messiah, that would be the early church.

And fathers would say, those people of Israel that rejected Christ as Messiah, they claim to be Jews because the real Jews are, as the Christians, a church. Those are the true Jews. You know, Jesus didn’t come to abolish it, to fulfill. And so Jesus didn’t come to what, abolish the law, but to fulfill the law, he fulfills it.

Now, you know, St. Paul writes in Romans that being that circumcision is something interior, being a Jew is something. It isn’t the external things, it’s the spiritual, spiritual faith that makes us and brings us into the new covenant, the new covenant with God’s people, which includes all the Gentiles, all the pagans that are now brought in. That was again shocking in the early church. And so that would be the early church’s reading of that.

But elsewhere, two other mentions in Revelation, one is right before the first mention in Revelation chapter 2, St. John says, “you’ve lost the love you had at first. Return to that first love.” Right. We often usually hear Christians talk about that. It happens. But he says, “but you have this in your favor. You hate the Nicolaitans because I also hate them.” Right.

Well, the Nicolaitans were, several church fathers mentioned the Nicolaitans as descendants of Nicholas, one of the first deacons. Seven deacons ordained Nicholas, who was a convert from Judaism to Judaism. So, and there’s several church fathers write about that he apostatized over trying to live celibacy and various things.

And so he ended up falling back into paganism and doing some of these occult ritual sex things, et cetera. And so he is considered the founder of some of the, again, the borbaris we mentioned and some of the things that they described that he did and these sexual rituals they talk about.

So the antinomian, that’s what it is. It’s against the laws, against the norms and so this kind of ritualistic stuff was taking place even then. And I think that’s what John was alluding to with the Nicolaitans, according to some of the church fathers.

But if you also look another place, another place in Revelation, the things that are happening, that did happen and will happen talks about the whore of Babylon and the beast, right? And so what do we see there? Who is, who was the whore in Old Testament? Well, this is what the prophets called Israel when they were unfaithful. “You whore Israel, you were a prostitute. You prostituted yourself to the nations.”

Well, what does that, what did he mean by that? Well, those who honor false gods. So what is true love of God? It’s seen in the song of Songs and a chaste nuptial embrace. So now the opposite of covenant fidelity is the embrace of love. The opposite of that is the infidelity of idol worship, which the prophets called whoredom or prostitution.

And so you see the corrupt church or the corrupt religious leaders with the beast, the corrupt government. So for me, you see this interplay throughout history. So the synagogue of Satan is anywhere you see this mutual self corruption of the deep church in the deep state. You could say, look, look at the president of Mexico. She goes to this ceremony, a cleansing ceremony, right?

SHAWN RYAN: I don’t know anything about this.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, she went through, you know, she went through a ceremony of so called, you know, it was a pagan witchcraft ceremony.

SHAWN RYAN: Cleansing.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, some kind of cleansing ceremony. Publicly she went through it. So she claims to be Jewish and she goes through this religious ceremony. Because now the detractors say, oh, no, no, no, that’s just, they’re just doing something because that’s kind of indigenous.

And so it’s just this to me, you have corruption, you have a cult, you have religious leaders, church leaders blending together, you know, and then you see what I think was Taylor Swift with the 2013, 2015 Super Bowl and one of her performances, dressed in a scantily dressed dress with, I think, flames on it, riding the back of this big golden beast. Again, the devil hides in plain sight. So I think you’re always going to see this corruption and militating against the truth.

Selling Souls and Celebrity Examples

SHAWN RYAN: I mean, that kind of brings me to the next category, which is the one, another one that I’ve really, really been wanting to talk. Selling souls and celebrity examples. Yeah, that’s what I was getting at earlier.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Oh, okay.

SHAWN RYAN: Trading for power.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Absolute trading for power. What’s, you know, again, I mean, can.

SHAWN RYAN: You sell your soul?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, yeah, you can.

SHAWN RYAN: How?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: The commonality that we hear the devil comes and walks up to someone and says, “you have what it takes.” There’s several famous, one in particular, I know that that’s exactly what happened. A guy walks up to her, she was trying to, she was performing at low level, you know, low level artist. And she’s just distraught.

Late after a performance outside of a club or something, a guy in a black suit walks up, a hat, the door, whatever kind of classic, “you have what it takes.” Maybe not have what it takes. And so, you know, any exchanges, you know, you have what it takes to, to trade this world. Trade your, you trade your soul for something in this, for something in this world, for something temporal. Trade the eternal for the temporal. That’s kind of the trait, so to speak.

And so it kind of goes back to, was it that word, the song Crossroads, Old blues song, it says that he describes selling his soul for musical talent. And so we, I forget his name. Robert. Anyway, one of the famous, famous blues artists that supposedly did this.

And so there’s been several after that, you know, John Lennon, for example, said, I’m not sure about the selling his soul, but I know he’s got a picture on a Sergeant Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band album. There’s one of the pictures in the background is Aleister Crowley. It was on December 8, 1980, his last interview. Now, for most people, that doesn’t mean anything to them, to a Catholic. December 8th, that’s the feast of the Immaculate Conception, right?

SHAWN RYAN: The what?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: The Immaculate Conception. When the angel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary and said in Greek, “ave gratia plena.” In Latin, “hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.” We get the words of the Hail Mary and announces and waits for her to say, “let it be done to me according to thy word.” And God became incarnate. God became now man.

So anyway, so the announcing of the incarnation, December 8 is, is the feast when we recall that in the readings. But the Immaculate Conception is, the readings we read there. But Mary prepared and preserved from the stain of original sin. So when she was preserved from the stain by the merits of Jesus Christ, who was out of time, preserves her from the stain of a rejection.

As he said in Genesis 3:15, “I will put enmity between the woman and the serpent.” And so this preservation of sin meant that she was completely sinless. So December 8th is the day that marks when the angel that she would, that marked her conception, when she was conceived in her parents, in her mother’s womb, and prepared her to receive Christ.

So December 8th, the Immaculate Conception, celebrating this great feast is the day that John Lennon has his last interview. And in that interview, he, he admits that something, something comes over me. You know, I, I admit that I’m, I think he says something like I’m possessed when I write songs, you know. And then that day he walks out and is assassinated.

And so they asked every one of the patrol, parole, healing, healings, hearings for this, I forget his name that shot Lennon. “Why did you do it?” He said, “I don’t know. I just, I just realized I would do anything to be famous.” He said “I had voices telling me to shoot him,” you know, so there’s been other, other actresses, actors that have said that, that would, that have, that have, that have sold their soul, you know, that have said they, they’ve admitted or demon takes over me when I perform. Beyoncé says that.

SHAWN RYAN: That. Beyoncé says that.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. She said in interviews. Yeah, something just takes over me. She also ascribes to that. It’s an, it’s a, it’s an African, it’s an ancient African religion that’s kind of syncretic that came, made its way through into Cuba. So, so that, that, that Santeria.

There’s this new guy out there that does a rap song and all the young people are saying this word, six, seven. Have you heard that the little kids are, supposedly. There’s a kind of a panic among Christian parents because this is a spreading. This guy’s a known, you know, just not a, not a nice guy according to police standards. Okay. He’s a rapper.

And so, and he’s a known practitioner. He says, “I’m a santero. I do this. This is what I do.” And his dad, he learned this religion from his dad. And they’re describing it and you know, what are these? Nobody. Everybody’s speculating on what do these numbers mean, you know, like we talked about or the 444 or fours.

SHAWN RYAN: Yep, 444.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: So.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So this numerology. What do these numbers symbolize?

SHAWN RYAN: So I don’t know.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: It’s a lot of speculation. But I’ll give you my theory if you want to hear it.

SHAWN RYAN: I love to. You want to hear some crazy? Yeah, I guess it’s probably not. You’re not going to think it’s crazy with everything you’ve seen?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: This year we’ve had 44.4 million watch time hours on Spotify.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Just a coincidence.

SHAWN RYAN: Is that crazy?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: That’s incredible.

SHAWN RYAN: I think it’s watch time. I got to go grab my. Yeah, but, but it’s like 44.4 million, like listening hours or watch hours. Something.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: What do the, what does four symbolize?

SHAWN RYAN: Well, when I looked it up, it said that the, the, your guardian angels want you to know that they’re watching out for you.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Okay.

SHAWN RYAN: Which is weird because that showed up right after a conversation I had right when I found Christ about, with a really good friend of mine who’s Catholic, that said you need to know that you have guardian angels watching over you. And they’ve been with, and right after that, that’s when that popped up.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: The guardian angels, they’re like snipers. You, you can’t see them. Just when you need them, you’re sure glad they’re there.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah. So.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: So, yeah, so that symbol. It’s a, the 4, 4, 4 also symbolizes the, the 4, the 4 corners of the earth. You know, you’re bringing 44.4 million reaching the 4 corners of the earth with this, this wonderful podcast. Everybody I know loves this podcast, a great podcast. Thank you.

Yeah. So, so these numbers, these numbers. Numbers have symbols. You know, even, even the, the, the Hebrew, the Hebrew letters had symbols. I mean, they’re, they’re each symbol had their own numerology. You know.

SHAWN RYAN: I mean, what somebody. When somebody comes up to you in a suit and a hat that says, I think you’ve got what it takes.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: And they tell you.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Want you to.

SHAWN RYAN: What do they say? We want you to trade your soul.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Well, I don’t think that’s the language. I don’t think that’s the language itself, but I think there’s an offer made and one given. Robert Johnson, that’s his name, the Crossroads. He describes it that he’s sold his soul. But so other artists have done that. Other artists have done that. They admit it. They admit it. And let me go back to 6, 7, because that’s this latest thing, right?

SHAWN RYAN: Well, I mean, we’ll go back to that. But I mean, is it all spelled out right there or is it a trap?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I think it’s I.

SHAWN RYAN: You get the President of the United States out there saying all over TV that he is not going to heaven. What do you think that means?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Ah, I hope he’s just. I hope it’s a bit of humility and a pinch of conscience. And he wants to, after his term, spend his life glorifying God in prayer and conversion.

SHAWN RYAN: Hope, maybe, but I mean, when somebody just says, oh, something comes over me, I mean, that could be just a. Yeah, yeah. I’ve probably said that. When I’m doing something good, if I’m shooting good or I don’t, you know what I mean? Or I’m in a flow state and in a kill house or something. I’d probably say the same damn thing.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah, I think, I think a lot.

SHAWN RYAN: Of people have said that.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Yeah. Well, the fear of the Lord.

SHAWN RYAN: I’m not saying you’re wrong either.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, you know. And I think the spiritual life conversion really begins when you recognize the spiritual battle. It’s that guy in the mirror, you know, it’s you looking. That picture of you in a helicopter, you know, that sits over your shoulder right there. It’s me looking in the mirror and seeing my face. That’s the real battle. That’s where it begins.

We focus too much on what the demon’s doing instead of focusing on what do I got to do, you know. I’m a sinner, you know, and the reality is if it weren’t for the grace of God, we would be annihilated. We had no chance. No chance, you know, but with the grace of God, you know, I mean.

SHAWN RYAN: What I’m asking is, do you think that they. Do you think they all know that they’ve sold their soul?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I think.

SHAWN RYAN: Or is it a trap? It’s.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: No.

SHAWN RYAN: Is it a blackmail operation? Hey, you went to Epstein Island. Now you’re going to keep going or else we’re just going to tell everybody.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I think it begins with. I think that’s a great question. I think it begins with.

SHAWN RYAN: Oh, that was, that was a 15 year old that you just right there.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Right.

SHAWN RYAN: I bet you didn’t know that, did you? Yeah, well, bet you didn’t know you’re on camera too.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: You want to watch it again?

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: You know what I mean? And so that’s. That is a. Maybe not an innocent person, but they, they got, they got trapped, they got tricked.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: You know what I mean?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yes.

SHAWN RYAN: Did they engage in sin? Did they realize it was going to be that? Yeah, maybe. Maybe not.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: And then, and then because of fear of being judged by man, then they go farther. So is that how it happens? Or is it. Or is it very clear guidelines, like a, like a, like a, like a law abiding contract? You’re going to do this and we’re going to give you everything you want.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I think there’s some.

SHAWN RYAN: Or is it both?

The Nature of Diabolic Pacts

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I think it’s probably both. I think it’s volitional for, to, for it to stick. It’s going to have to be volitional. I mean, I choose this whether it’s in writing or not, or whether what, you know. But there will always be a pound of flesh. And the problem is when you try to get out of one of these deals, that’s when, that’s when the stuff kicks up.

As long as you’re participating, then, then you keep getting yours. But the minute you try to get out, it gets. That’s when the demon says, I don’t think so.

SHAWN RYAN: Can you get out?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: In God’s eyes, can you get out?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yes. Yeah. The devil’s eyes is always no, but we, you know, the demon has no rights to us. If you’re baptized by right, your soul belongs to God. Belongs to God the Father. It belongs through Jesus Christ. Right. Water and spirit regenerated. You belong to God now. But we offer him permissions, and we have to undo those permissions.

And sometimes goes back to the original question that sometimes there’s a temporal punishment for that. There’s penance that needs to be done. Too many people go through these. There’s people that come out of the occult, come out of Satanism, and suddenly they want a podcast. I want to be the next Shawn Ryan. I don’t know, maybe you should spend some time in prayer and penance, you know, spend some time doing penance for that. Pray in reparation. Right. Preparation for the sins you committed.

And so I’m not judging people, because we’re all sinners, but there is a time for that. But, yeah, when you try to get, when you get out of that, I think, I think you have, you have a, you, you have. Sometimes it’s written, but I think largely it’s something spoken. Okay, it’s something spoken. But when you try to get out, that’s when you, that’s when you get hit.

And it’s kind of like, you know, it’s, it’s when that movement of conversion, and that’s when the demon says, you’re not getting out. So whether it’s a spiritual affliction, you’re going to suffer constant, you know, the demon is just going to pound you down like a, like a. If you really understand that the interplay between the fallen angel and the fallen human, look at a, at the relationship between like a, an abusive couple, you know, an abusive relationship.

By the time the lady cops show up, you know, the house is a mess, and, you know, he’s got scratch on his face, she’s got a black eye, and she says, don’t take him away. I love him, it’s my fault. So you got to get to that. So, and then what happens? And then the guy comes back and beats the crap out of her just to keep her in submission. So she tries to get out, he beats her up again and she drops.

So the same thing, the demon does the same thing. We try to get out, we make our movement back to God. You know, I had a lady, she left a, she’s a sister of a good friend of mine. And she had just drifted, you know, like many people, she drifted and was suffering movements to conversion, but suffering even worse.

And she finally just cried out, Lord, when are you going to come for this lost sheep? And in that humility, I couldn’t. I got a PhD, a master’s degree. I got a pretty good handle, Greek and Latin. I couldn’t have written a better prayer when you’re going to come for this lost sheep. And she has been flooded with graces, flooded with graces.

So we always, always have the de profundis privilege. Psalm 130. Out of the depths I cry to you, O Lord. And so that’s why it’s a foot race to the end. The demon’s going to try to, try to keep you away from making that conversion, but he can’t ultimately, even possession, liberation from possession, self liberation, even if you need an exorcist, a little assistance from the church, it’s your, you have to be the act of agency in your own liberation.

So that crying out to God and have mercy on me, a sinner. That’s part of our protocol, praying, you know, have mercy on me, a sinner. So, yeah, it can, you can sell your soul, but you can have it back. But is it again, you talk about the old gods.

Ancient Myths and Modern Parallels

So I remember I studied Latin in high school, right? And we were reading about the old myths of the ancient worlds. And at that time, the great, that great singer Charlie Daniels was out, you know, and that song, “The Devil Went Down to Georgia.” And so our Latin teacher, he was a great man, Vietnam veteran, tough guy. He said, you know, this is nothing new. Selling your soul for musical talent is challenge of the devil. He tells us the story of.

SHAWN RYAN: Of.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: That’s. We might even have translated, I don’t remember. Now, there was a minotaur who found a discarded flute that one of the gods had dropped. And he challenges the God of music to, to, which is Apollo, to about, you know, a battle who can play, to try to. And the winner could name the prize, right? And so he, he loses to Apollo. And Apollo for his punishment flays him alive.

I thought, and I was just thinking about that on this, this topic, and I, and I started thinking about. Now, this is, again, this is just my, my speculation on this one, okay? But I was thinking about the apostle Bartholomew. We have one apostle, one of the apostles, Bartholomew, was martyred by being flayed alive in Armenia.

So I looked up who was the principal, and he converted the king of Armenia, who was the principal deity of Armenia at the time of Bartholomew. And it was, I think the demon’s name was Tyr, who was their version of Apollo. He was also the God of music. And he flayed him alive. That was his martyrdom. Maybe it’s a coincidence, you know. Maybe it’s a coincidence. Wow. Now that’s faith, by the way. That’s faith. That’s suffering for Christ.

So, so, yeah, so, so we see other, other stars have, have sold their souls and, and made these deals. I’ve seen them resurface cases. You know, one particular famous one in the 60s was killed, and one of the persons associated with her and her team that was killed with her, the grandson of that person came back, cycled back in as afflicted, and his grandfather was an attorney for this person who was getting, getting her out of a diabolic pact and breaking off this relationship.

So this stuff resurfaces. Wow. Resurfaces. The devil takes it very seriously. But, like, to your point, but he’s going to try to tell you you can’t get out of it. Yeah, you can. There is nothing. There’s nothing that you’ve done that Jesus Christ can’t forgive. That’s the good news.

SHAWN RYAN: Wow. Yeah, wow.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I read, I read the Bible from beginning to end. And you know what? In the end, we win. You know, so we just have to keep fighting. We have to just keep fighting.

How to Fight the Spiritual Battle

SHAWN RYAN: How do we fight?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Prayer, holiness, living the gospel the best we can. Growing in the virtues, fasting. That old, ancient old thing that we don’t like to do. Small sacrifices, living our faith, focusing on our families, what God has given to us, our own, where God has placed us, influencing the world the best we can from wherever we’re at, whether it’s podcasting or teaching or whatever. Bringing the gospel to the four corners 44.4 million times into our last dying breath.

SHAWN RYAN: Right on.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Well, Dan, we didn’t even get to the list, did we?

SHAWN RYAN: What list?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Did we even get to our questions? Oh, dad. Did we get through them?

SHAWN RYAN: Almost all of it, yeah. So is there anything else you want to cover? Oh, no, I’m.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: I’m here at your service. So, yeah, I think the big thing here is St. Paul says don’t—it’s not even, don’t even discuss the deplorable works of darkness, but expose them. And so it’s not something we should focus on and talk about, but the reality is real. But also the greater reality, again, the demon is tercerier and his spiritual combat.

The primary focus is Jesus Christ. We have to stay focused on Christ and not approach this through curiosity, but approach it to understand that it’s through this that we become holier, that we become more perfect in the spiritual life, that we become better Christians, better fathers, better wives, husbands, children, aunts, uncles. Be the best person we can, the best version of ourselves, be Christ in the world the best way we can, and not, you know, the devil’s going to try to get us focused so much on him that we lose sight of that.

And we have to stay focused on that and have hope, be of good cheer. You know, one of my buddies sent me—there was a firefight in Afghanistan, and I think it was two marines. And they were behind this big rock and you could see the rounds hitting and they were turning, looking and turning. And one of them said something funny and you couldn’t hear what he said, you could just hear the fire. And so they just start laughing. You know, they start laughing.

And it isn’t that they’re fearless marines or fearless soldiers, you know, it’s that you recognize you have to have peace, you have to laugh. I’m sure you have plenty of cases, times where you’re just laughing at the most inopportune time. But you make friends with death. You make peace with the Lord and take what you do very seriously. But have joy, have joy in that.

I think that to me is the key takeaway. And all this darkness that we see in the world having be of good cheer, “I have overcome the world” we talk about. Christmas is coming up. This is when we celebrate light coming into the world. The Savior of the world is coming. The Savior of the world.

Ironically, December 25th is the—this is what some of the church fathers say—this is the winter solstice. That the sun is at its lowest point, the lowest point, where the darkness is over the earth in proportion to the sun. Right? This is the lowest point of the light, of the light of the world, which is exactly nine months prior at the spring equinox, when the sun—which is March 25th—when the sun and the darkness are equal, except the sun has a slight advantage.

March 25th is the Annunciation, when the angel Gabriel announced to the Virgin Mary that she would conceive a son. Nine months later, on the 25th of December. And so the church fathers saw this. That God is reclaiming the cosmos, that darkness is giving way to light, that the darkness and man gives way to the light of the Son, the Son of God. That’s the symbolism.

Advent. Adventus means arrival, coming. It also means the Greek word equivalent, means presence. Christ’s presence in the Eucharist, Christ’s presence in the church. We look at his earthly coming in Christmas. We celebrate the child as coming in humility and that second coming. We anticipate him coming in glory, coming in judgment, and we look to the east for that second coming that we see in our own journey.

We’re no different than Israel. We’re just as unfaithful as they are. Looking and being faithful to what God has given us and reuniting, rekindling that fire of our love for Jesus Christ. I think that’s the big thing that we should get ready for as we anticipate the coming of Christ in Christmas. I’m sure Lee will say it much more eloquently than I can. He’s a preacher, I’m a teacher, so. But let’s get ready for Christmas and prepare and focus on Christ.

SHAWN RYAN: That sounds good. I love what you said about taking a look in the mirror, too. Yeah, that’s the real battle.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: That’s the real battle. That’s the guy that I’m really—that’s like St. Paul says, that’s the old self, man. That old guy keeps coming around and it’s a constant battle. It’s a constant struggle. But that’s the spiritual life. We got to get that guy subdued first.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: See, it was G.K. Chesterton. There was a contest, a writing contest at the newspaper. “What’s Wrong with the World?” An essay contest. And he submits a piece of paper that says, “What’s wrong with the world?”

SHAWN RYAN: I am.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: “I’m what’s wrong with the world.” So beginning with me, you want to change the world, change yourself and change your family.

SHAWN RYAN: Yeah.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: And one at a time. Yeah.

SHAWN RYAN: Love it.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Yeah.

Closing Remarks

SHAWN RYAN: Well, Dan, thank you for coming, man. I can’t wait to see you again.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Good man. I love where you’re at. It’s so beautiful. It’s just—it’s gorgeous country over here. Scott’s country, right here. So anytime. Just give me excuse. I’ll be back.

SHAWN RYAN: I will. I will send you plenty of excuses, okay?

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: But thank you.

SHAWN RYAN: Merry Christmas.

DR. DAN SCHNEIDER: Merry Christmas. Thank you.

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