Mario Nawfal Interview: w/ Fmr. Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene (Transcript)

The president himself shut down the entire investigation on Thomas Crooks and the shooting in Butler. He has made sure that all the information is classified. It is not released. It is not public. And that should be public information because Corey Comptor was killed that day. His family deserves the truth. And there were several other people shot that day. They and their families deserve the truth about Thomas Crooks. But President Trump has made that a complete coverup. That doesn’t make any sense.

And then the Epstein files are very serious. I do believe they are central in some of this. That was where President Trump and I had a complete falling out and break in our relationship, because he called me a traitor because I signed the discharge petition and I refused to take my name off. But I think it was his insistence on trying to block the release of the Epstein files, maintaining a cover-up on the Epstein files. He told me on the phone that his friends would get hurt if the files were released. And he even doubled down when I told him my son was receiving death threats. And he said that it was my fault and I deserved it.

So I think there’s a lot to the Epstein files. President Trump has also made sure that the Epstein files have not been completely released. They are not fully released. And so I think we should be asking questions there. Does Israel have more information on President Trump? Are there things in the Epstein files that maybe Israel has that they could release so that they are blackmailing the president? I think these are all questions that should be asked, and it’s not wrong to ask these questions.

And the reason why it’s not wrong to ask these questions, Mario, is because we’ve seen a complete change in a human being who is the President of the United States. And I think America — I think the entire world — deserves answers, and hopefully we’ll find out one day.

On the Butler Assassination Attempt and the Shift in Trump

MARIO NAWFAL: I was just speaking to Joe Kent about Butler. It started really eating up my mind when Tucker — actually, before Tucker, Tucker’s brother mentioned it to me first. He said the same thing to you. He said, “Mario, something happened after Butler.” And that was a few weeks ago. And then Tucker mentioned a few days ago, told me about Dan Bongino telling him that Trump shut down the investigation. And then I did a deeper dive and I had another conversation with Joe Kent. And Joe Kent believes that Trump is under duress, some form of duress. And he also points at Butler to be kind of the beginning of that shift as well.

But let me ask you, how did that shift begin? When did you first notice it after Butler?

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: Well, it happened in the first 6 months of his presidency, where key campaign promises started to fall away and weren’t the priority, and it became serving what donors wanted became the priority. And that was something that I was like, wait a minute, what is happening? Why would we pass a bill to put a 10-year moratorium on state rights to make laws and regulation on data centers and AI? And so that was one of the breaks the president and I had. But that serves big tech and his major donors.

It was bombing Iran in June of 2025. It’s like, hold on, this was the peace president. He wanted to win the Nobel Peace Prize. He established the Board of Peace. He made himself the head of the Board of Peace. And then all of a sudden he’s bombing Iran. Like, what is happening? So we started seeing a shift there.

But after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, there seemed to be a coldness there in the president’s — some of his words and actions. I’ll never forget that he was kind of dancing and seeming to be acting like he was at a rally at Charlie Kirk’s public funeral service. And posting that post on Truth Social with himself and Charlie Kirk, with the Israeli flag behind Charlie Kirk and the American flag behind him, with the term — I think it’s called — is it Shlomo Pearl? Is that the term which means “useful idiot?” Useful idiot. And many of us were shocked at that Truth Social post. Like, what does that even mean? And who’s the useful idiot? Surely not Charlie Kirk.

He was telling the truth and had started telling the truth a lot. As a matter of fact, he had come around to where, right when he was assassinated, Charlie Kirk had come around to saying the same things I was saying and Tucker Carlson was saying. So just a few of us were saying it, and Charlie Kirk started saying it. And he was against the Iran War. He was against anything happening. And he was pushing back on Israel, pushing back on Israel’s influence in Congress, Israel’s influence in the White House, and donors — not only of Turning Point USA but also of President Trump. And Charlie Kirk had started to be very vocal. He was truthful and honest about October 7th that happened in Israel. What a horrific day. And why? Why did no one show up to stop this for like 6 hours? And he had talked about that.

And he invited me to speak at Turning Point, their big event that’s every year in December. But after he was assassinated, I no longer had an invitation to speak at Turning Point.

So it was through these just months of changes that those of us on the inside, those of us that had been really close, started to see and recognize these changes, and it didn’t make sense. And then after Charlie was assassinated is when the big fight on the Epstein files happened. And that changed everything for me. I saw an entirely different man I had never seen before, and he said such horrific things to me that I’ll never forget.

And then we saw him go in and wage a complete war. The United States bombed a children’s school. A children’s school, double tapped it. And the president and Pete Hegseth, and Marco Rubio and all of them, have not been forthcoming and honest to America and the rest of the world about this situation. Under their leadership, they’ve stood with Israel as Israel has daily — every single day — killed children and innocent people in Gaza and Lebanon. And this is — Americans do not support the murder of children in war and innocent people in war. But this is the president that Donald Trump has become, which is shockingly different than the man that I know I supported in 2024 and before that.

On Death Threats and Trump’s Response

MARIO NAWFAL: Every time you talk about children suffering — with the Epstein files or children dying in Gaza or Lebanon — I feel like this is where you get the most upset. I think that seeing the suffering of the children, I’ve noticed that last time we chatted and now again.

I want to ask you about the communication with Trump. I do remember once, and a few people told it to me — I don’t think we’ve spoken about it — when you did tell Trump, and correct me if I get it wrong, but you told him that you’re getting threats and his response was something very insensitive. Can you just tell the audience, or remind me, what did you tell him exactly? What did he say?

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: So it was after he started calling me a traitor because I wouldn’t take my name off the discharge petition, and I was fighting him specifically to get the Epstein files released. I was receiving serious death threats, but we started getting death threats on my son that were coming from overseas, and these were credible death threats.

And I sent a copy of the death threats. I sent it to Suzy Wiles, James Blair, Kash Patel, JD Vance, and I texted a copy of it to President Trump and informed him, “This is what you are causing to happen because you’re calling me a traitor,” because the word “traitor” was in the death threats. And I said, “No matter what our political disagreements are, our children should never have their lives threatened or be threatened in any way.” And that’s what I told him.

And he specifically told me in text message — and I still have these text messages — he specifically told me, he said, “It’s your fault and you deserve it.”

So Donald Trump said it was my fault and I deserved for my son to be murdered.

Responses from the White House and the Epstein Cover-Up

MARIO NAWFAL: Things that I just can’t make sense of, Congresswoman. How— I know it’s a silly question. What did JD Vance, Kash Patel— what did they reply? And Susie Wiles, if you don’t mind me asking.

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: Well, I don’t know how he says that. That’s a question for him. That says what type of person he is. JD Vance was very nice— he was the only one that was really, really nice to me and compassionate about it and said it was wrong. Kash Patel just texted back, “On it.” But I have never heard a single word or feedback or anything from Kash Patel on investigating those death threats. Suzy Wiles did not even reply to me, nor did James Blair. They didn’t even bother replying.

Suzy Wiles shocked me as a woman herself, a mother and a grandmother. I would have expected better from her. But she didn’t even reply. And this is over, Mario, this is over me standing with women who were raped as teenage girls by Jeffrey Epstein and some of the most rich, powerful men on Earth. That’s the issue I was fighting on.

MARIO NAWFAL: You know how puzzling that is? You know how difficult it is for people on the outside to really understand how first Trump could say that to you after all these years, the context in which he replied to you about your son getting death threats because of things Trump is saying, and then more importantly, or not more importantly, but just as puzzling, the fact this is all about you standing up against pedophiles.

Everyone agrees that the Epstein files is probably the one thing that everyone in the US agreed to, had the most support in getting these files out, not defending Iran. They debate Iran, they debate Ukraine, they debate domestic political decisions, but this is one thing that everyone rallied around, and yet this is what you get.

The Epstein Files and the Cover-Up

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: Yeah, but this is still the issue. Think about it. The Epstein files are not fully released. As a matter of fact, there’s still a cover-up stopping the information from coming out. No one has been held accountable in the United States of America. Trump’s Department of Justice has not investigated. The FBI has not investigated nor has prosecuted anyone that was found to be in these Epstein files.

Think about the gravity of that, and then think about who these people— they have shown us who they are. The current administration bombed a children’s school, Mario. They bombed a children’s school and then they told America, “Oh well, it’s under investigation.” But in reality, the proof is there. It was a Tomahawk missile. There are pieces of the missile that are shown on video. All of the truth is there.

So when you look at— you have to look at people’s actions and understand them by their actions. And their actions are they murdered children, innocent children, in a country that never bombed the United States of America. Not a single bomb or bullet happened on our homeland, and they bombed a children’s school. So what does that tell you about those people in charge?

And then secondly, this was the biggest cover-up, and everyone in the Trump administration bowed down in loyalty to Donald Trump like he was some kind of king and refused to cross him over the Epstein files, to the point where we saw Dan Bongino turn into another human being that nobody could recognize. And Kash Patel, the same thing.

We have to judge— don’t judge people by their rhetoric, judge them by their actions. And when you’re looking at the actions, you get a different set of eyes. And I was able to see all of that way early on because I was a member of Congress, because I was so close on the inside. I saw it before everyone else.

However, I think the entire world has seen it all now, and people need to come to terms with— if these people will bomb children and not apologize for it or even admit they did it, even though the entire world knows it’s happened, if this administration will go on a full-on cover-up for pedophiles— where’s the red line? If they’ll call me a traitor and kick me to the side, even though literally I spent millions of dollars helping that man get elected, where’s the red line in the sand? And who are they serving? Is it themselves? Is it their donors? Is it Israel? Does Israel have some serious blackmail in regards to Epstein? Jeffrey Epstein was clearly working with the government of Israel. There has to be more information there. And so it’s not wrong to ask these questions. It’s not conspiratorial. These are the questions we should be asking.

Is Trump Under Duress?

MARIO NAWFAL: Joe Kent just a few minutes ago said something to me. I wrote it down, and he said “the apparatus of the bureaucracy can’t handle principles.” And then he says “these organizations can stonewall political appointees and even the president.” So he’s just talking about unelected officials, members within the government— the system is not working as it should. When an official, a president, the commander-in-chief is elected, he doesn’t have the powers that everyone thinks he has.

And Joe Kent goes a step further, and I’m not disagreeing with him, that he could be even under duress, and linked it back all the way to Butler and other security failures. And we saw that with Epstein. Other members of Congress that I’ve had on the show went through and were going through the files. Nancy Mace was one example, Massie, going through the files, Ro Khanna. The files were being removed, or they were being blocked from seeing files, even themselves, when they got in front of that computer. But they’re members of Congress elected by American voters.

I know you’ve got a lot of questions, but do you have any answers? Maybe not definite answers, but you’ve had a lot of time to reflect on this since stepping down. How do you make sense of all this? If I ask you more direct questions, I’ll say— do you think Trump could be under duress? Maybe we start there. Is there possible threats against his life starting in Butler as a warning shot? Not a warning shot— they tried to kill him starting in Butler.

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: Yeah, absolutely. And I hate to hand you and your audience one big black pill, but I’ll just tell you the truth in the way I see it. The political system, the government, and the powers and the bureaucracies that be were changed a long time ago, and that started with the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And then his brother Bobby Kennedy.

I’m of the opinion that the Israeli government has meddled in America and in our government system, has been buying off our elected officials for decades. Decades. As a matter of fact, every single president has had to submit themselves in one form or another to the government of Israel. And I say the secular government of Israel because I’m not going into the people, I’m talking about the government of Israel.

So it’s been decades, many different presidents, many different members of Congress, many senators, you can go down the list, governors, state elected officials have all in one way or another become, most of them, subservient to the government of Israel and what their needs are, whether it’s funding, weapons, contracts, government contracts, and you name it, because I’ve watched it with my own eyes.

AIPAC is a powerful lobby. It’s a powerful funding organization that funds the campaign accounts of most members of Congress. And because of that, not only is it the funding, but it’s the nonstop phone calls and text messages and meetings that come from the members of AIPAC. The Jewish lobby is a pressure campaign put on members of Congress and senators and governors and state elected officials. It never stops. It’s a pressure campaign like no other.

Well, that same pressure campaign, you can imagine, is at the height and the peak of the pressure on the president of the United States. Donald Trump took hundreds of millions of dollars from Miriam Adelson, and he’ll keep cashing her checks. Therefore, she is a massive pressure campaign, and what she wants more than anything is continued war on behalf of Israel.

But we have even bigger problems with the 2027 NDAA. It has multiple sections in there that is going to tie our United States military intelligence tech and pipeline of contracts, military contracts directly to Israel. Once this is done, it can’t be undone.

So none of this shocks me because I lived it. I saw the entire thing on the inside for myself. And this is where I say this is like a black pill, Mario— this is a system that is cemented this way. It’s been cemented this way for a very long time. It didn’t just happen. I think we’re seeing it at its worst right now. We are seeing it in its ugliest form.

And I think it’s because there’s some sort of blackmail or threat hanging over Donald Trump’s head in relation to Jeffrey Epstein, or threatening his life, like his life was nearly taken out in Butler, Pennsylvania. Maybe there’s a serious threat on one of his family members. Or if it’s not those reasons, then we only have one other alternative, and that’s that the President of the United States is literally serving the government of Israel and their purposes. It’s only two options. So which one is it?

The Iran MOU and Hope for Independence

MARIO NAWFAL: If these reports are true, the Axios call between Trump and Netanyahu, Trump going on a media tour two days ago criticizing Netanyahu— now a lot of people have said, “Mario, words don’t count. A lot of presidents have done and said the same thing before. It’s action that counts.” The action— the MOU seems very bad to Israel. It does not serve Israel’s interest. I’ve had people from Israel on the show and they’re telling me, “Mario, if these leaked MOUs are true, Trump has abandoned us.” So there’s that sentiment coming out of Israel.

Now obviously it’s too early. We’ll see what happens in the next few weeks, months, even years. The whole Iran has a nuclear weapon story has been around for decades. So let’s just wait and see what happens in the next few years. But if that’s the case, is that hope? Is that light at the end of the tunnel? Or am I being a bit too optimistic here?

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: Well, number one, we don’t really know the details of the MOU, so we can only speculate based on what we’ve seen leaked out of it and reported. It does not seem to favor Israel. It seems like it’s a good memorandum of understanding between the United States and Iran. And the United States should be able to do that on their own without Israel’s influence, or really Israel’s opinion for that matter, even though they are our ally. But we should be able to make an agreement with a foreign country all by ourselves.

However, I’ll remain skeptical. And the reason why I remain skeptical is because I’ve seen different leaders in Israel’s statements, and they refuse to leave Lebanon. They will not stop the bombing campaign in Lebanon. And that’s a red line in the sand for Iran. So how can there be peace if that red line in the sand cannot be stopped?

I think this is a situation where the United States of America, we have to stand up and say we are an independent nation. We’re going to make decisions based on ourselves. We are pulling out of this. We will have a peace treaty with Iran separate from Israel. And that would be the best thing that we could do. We should literally just leave. The Strait of Hormuz will reopen because it was reopened before the war. How do American soldiers become safe again? You get out of the war zone and you won’t lose any more American soldiers. So it’s a pretty simple process.

However, the question is, is President Trump independent of Bibi Netanyahu and the government of Israel, or is he tied? And why is he tied? And then the second question is, are we going to be handed over to Israel in a formalized fusing of our military and theirs? And those are truly the dangers ahead.

MTG’s Plans for the Future

MARIO NAWFAL: Yeah, true. Well, Congresswoman, it’s an absolute pleasure to speak to you again. Actually, a final quick question. What are your plans for the future? Do you have anything in mind for the next few months, running for office, anything at all?

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: Well, I’m launching a new series called “Life with MTG” where I’m talking about a lot of these topics, being very transparent and honest. Continuing to campaign for America First policies, but not life with MTG.

MARIO NAWFAL: Is that what it’s called?

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: Yeah, “Life with MTG.” That’s right.

MARIO NAWFAL: Marjorie Taylor Greene teases series called “Life with MTG.” Where is that going to come? Coming soon on— on X?

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: You don’t say where it’ll be. It’ll be on YouTube and all my social media.

MARIO NAWFAL: Oh nice. When is it coming out? When’s the first episode?

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: Actually, it’s coming out— we’re rolling out over the next few weeks. Yeah, so we’re doing something like a soft launch. Yeah, thank you.

Closing Remarks

MARIO NAWFAL: Finally, finally, yes, pour it out, pour it out. Well, I’m glad. I’ll keep an eye out for it, and it’s a pleasure to have you back on the show. Thank you, Marjorie.

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: Thank you, great to talk to you, Mario.

MARIO NAWFAL: Have a great day. You too.

All right, guys, so I’ll be going live again with Professor Pape. I think it’s in a few minutes. I’m going to check my calendar.

Otherwise, I hope you enjoyed the conversation with Congresswoman Greene. I’ve had her on the show before. She’s one of my favorite members of Congress. She’s just very— whatever she says, you can agree with it or disagree with it, and she does one thing that not enough politicians do, and that’s just speaking what she truly believes.

So that’s what I want to see more of whenever I speak to politicians in the US and around the world. I just wish more of them would just say exactly what they feel, what they think, whatever it is. It just makes things a lot easier. That’s why I enjoy my conversations with Congresswoman Greene.

I’ll see you guys, I think, in a few minutes with Professor Pape in 1 hour and 50 minutes, and then Brendan Weikert. We’ve got General Randy Manner and Larry Johnson. See you guys shortly. Bye.

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