Next Level Soul Podcast: w/ Sheila Gillette (Transcript)

And they spoke about all these changes that would be coming — they’re coming now — and what it would look like. Political structures changing throughout the world. We are already a global economy and have been for quite some time, for years. And that structure is going to get stronger.

They did say back then, and they’ve restated it in many ways recently, that we’ll have a new United Nations, stronger than the one that is. What it means is a collaboration amongst

ALEX FERRARI: countries even more than we have now.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah, okay. Because the UN has not had or taken the power to really do what’s necessary for these wars, for example. And the autocratic leaders just walk over it. They don’t seem to think it matters. But other countries are saying no. I just heard Spain said, “No, you can’t fly in our airspace. We’re not supporting this.” So did England. And of course that caused a great upset about NATO.

But doing away with some of the structures that were creating peace has just wreaked havoc. There’s still a bit more to come, and the people just really have to say no. We’ve watched it throughout the world — what’s happened here in the United States, the different cities where people are marching and standing up. It’s happening all over the world.

And Theo said the changes will come by the people, and that the scientists and the artisans, the artists, will be leaders bringing about a collaborative interaction. Medicine is an art. It won’t be the politicians running things — it will be by the people. We’ll have people to officiate different positions, but the people will make the changes.

As we’re witnessing, this is what the people, our species, want to do en masse. Sure, there are many who want to retain the old patterns and structures for their own benefit and control, but that’s not the fifth dimensional way. They say the fifth dimension is where we collaborate. We’re a collaborative species and we’re better together than we are apart. And those are words that have been given over forever.

But now we’re going to be acting them out in proper ways — really not just sitting back, wringing our hands and saying, “What can I do?” You do what you can do with what you have now. And like I said, we have the opportunity in the United States to have a vote, to have a voice. And that’s even being tried to be taken away, but it won’t work. As we’re witnessing, I think you just push the bear a little too hard and the bear will growl.

ALEX FERRARI: And the people are bear.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah, the people are the bear. Yeah.

Is This a Karmic Cycle for Humanity?

ALEX FERRARI: Let me ask you — do you see this as a karmic cycle for humanity? Because humanity itself has a karmic cycle.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Theo would say there’s no karma. Those are just opportunities of growth. It’s not a debt to be paid. What it is is a cycle of shift of consciousness — the old patterns, third dimensional, fourth dimensional, won’t work. These are patterns that have been passed along for thousands of years, and we are birthing a new way of interacting in the fifth dimension. It’s a different frequency, it’s a different vibrational frequency, and it’s a different point of time. A vector, they said — a vector of time. So we’re birthing really a totally new way of being human on this planet that we’ve not experienced before.

ALEX FERRARI: There’s definitely something happening. And I see — maybe this is just my feeds on social media — but I see a lot of nostalgia for the past and a romanticizing of it. Like, “Oh, how wonderful it was to be in the 90s,” or “Oh, it was so great to be in the 80s.” And there are elements of that, but it wasn’t all hunky-dory. You can’t romanticize that time period. There were political issues, there were wars, there were atrocities. Things were worse.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Well, I remember — what was it, 90?

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah, it was 91. Yeah. That was Desert Storm.

SHEILA GILLETTE: That was George W. Bush.

ALEX FERRARI: No, George H. It was George H. Yeah.

SHEILA GILLETTE: The dad. Yeah, George H. I remember I had the news on. I was cooking dinner when we bombed Iraq.

ALEX FERRARI: Yes.

SHEILA GILLETTE: And it was like a video game. And I just got nauseous. I went, “This is what we do.” I was just overwhelmed. And this weekend, I watched the same thing.

The Human Cost of War

ALEX FERRARI: To a certain extent, you’re absolutely right. And I was terrified that there was going to be a draft because I was 16 or 17 when Desert Storm was going on. I was like, “Oh my God, I’m not going.” I was already figuring out what to do. I don’t want to go to war. That’s not who I am. I was terrified. Thank God I’m out of the woods from a draft. But —

SHEILA GILLETTE: Well, I lost a lot of friends in Vietnam. I was 17, 18. And there was a draft then.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah.

SHEILA GILLETTE: And a lot of young men — I mean, war is awful. War is awful. That’s why we need a woman president, because women won’t go to war. They won’t let their kids be killed.

ALEX FERRARI: It’s usually older, rich men sending other people’s children — usually poorer than them — into a war. And the people who are ordering have never seen war, they’ve never been in a war. Generally speaking. Sometimes you have an Eisenhower, but rarely does that happen.

SHEILA GILLETTE: It’s usually now in this —

ALEX FERRARI: Oh God. Absolutely.

SHEILA GILLETTE: We had an award — military dodger.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah, that’s right.

SHEILA GILLETTE: We did.

ALEX FERRARI: We did. I think we’ve had them for quite some time now, actually — for the last couple of decades. Most of them have been dodgers in one way, shape or form. It is fascinating to see. Do you personally think that this is going to escalate into something bigger?

Will This Escalate? Reasons for Hope

SHEILA GILLETTE: I’m going to say no. But how do you equate something bigger? This is pretty large. And it was known that the whole region would blow up — I mean, that was a given. We’ve got to quit being happy about bombing other countries. There’s talk about Ecuador now, or maybe it’s already happening. I mean, it’s just —

ALEX FERRARI: What’s going on with Ecuador? I’ve heard Ecuador mentioned.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah, I just read this morning that we’re sending something to Ecuador — ships. I don’t know what it is. So now —

ALEX FERRARI: I’m assuming the communist Cubans on my home island of Cuba are probably shaking in their boots, like, “Oh my God.” Everyone’s saying, “Stay quiet, stay quiet. Maybe they won’t look at us.” Because —

SHEILA GILLETTE: They’re looking at Cuba, too. We have clients in the Caribbean, living in the Caribbean, and they were worried about the Caribbean when all the Venezuelan stuff and all the bombing of those fishing boats happened. So people are concerned — more than concerned. They’re afraid of the choices being made.

But that being said, I’m positive about the change that we will all make. We’re laying new foundations. We don’t hear about good things happening in the world, but there are good things that are happening, and new, innovative things that are happening that are a part of this shift and change as well.

I think AI is a part of that. People are terrified of it. But people were terrified of computers. I remember when we didn’t have home computers. Now we carry one in our pocket and we drive one. We can’t imagine our life without it now.

ALEX FERRARI: Absolutely.

SHEILA GILLETTE: And the Internet.

The Impact of AI on Truth and Society

ALEX FERRARI: Oh, I mean, yeah, you and I were both around before the Internet happened. And we remember what life was like prior to that. And now we know what it is now and you can’t live without.

SHEILA GILLETTE: That’s why people are nostalgic for those years. It’s because there wasn’t the Internet and people weren’t consumed with social media. I think something happened to our critical thinking. When people aren’t critically thinking anymore, when I see these conspiratorial things and I’m going, really? People believe this? Don’t they ask, is this true? I mean, some of it’s so crazy. It’s like, what’s happening here?

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah, but the thing is that right now with AI, you really don’t know. You’re starting to get to a point where you really just don’t know if it’s real anymore. Video. So before you would watch a video and you go, okay. And to fake a video was obscenely expensive and you needed to be at the top level of visual effects in Hollywood, to be able to fake something, to look even real, and even then they couldn’t do it all that well.

AI now, it’s so easy to create a fake story. It’s so easy to create fake anything out there right now. And it’s getting easier and easier and easier to the point now where humanity — we can’t trust our ears, but we can’t trust our eyes to be told the truth. So now what happens to society when you can’t believe what you see? That’s very destructive. Very, very destructive. Where do you think, as this gets — because this is only going to get better, the technology is only going to get better — what do you think this is going to end?

SHEILA GILLETTE: Like any business, we use AI sometimes.

ALEX FERRARI: Absolutely.

SHEILA GILLETTE: And what we found, and we’ve tested it out for “what would Theo say?” kind of stuff, and some of it’s just — you can tell it’s not.

ALEX FERRARI: Yes.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Even if you’re trying to write something, it can come up with some pretty bad stuff when it writes things too. I mean, it’s a wonderful tool and we should see it as that, but we need to learn about it. I know that AI is just as good as what you give it.

We’re going to create our own because we want Theo’s information to be pure if it gets out there. I know we’ve done a lot of work with Gaia, as you know, and they’re developing their own system. And the chairman of Gaia is a friend of mine and we were talking about this and he’s the one that first told me, because they’ve been involved with it for a while. He said, “Create your own because it’s only as good as what it’s given.” And I don’t think people realize that.

And I’ve known people, I’ve talked to in our community, that are using it as a channel for themselves. And what do you think about that?

ALEX FERRARI: What do you think about that? Do you think there’s anything behind it?

SHEILA GILLETTE: Do I think that the AI is a channel for angelic presence? No.

ALEX FERRARI: Okay.

SHEILA GILLETTE: I don’t. But they seem to. And I think the proof is in the pudding, in any of this kind of stuff. At first blush, it may seem, “Oh man, this is great, and I have to believe in it,” and so on. And then when it starts not being so great, then people will look at it differently, see the tool that it can be used for, but it won’t replace humans.

The Human Rejection of AI-Created Content

ALEX FERRARI: Even in the world that I’m from, which is the film industry, there’s now a rejection of AI-created visuals, storytelling, movies. People are actively rejecting that as a complete creator of the story, creator of the visuals. There are avenues — you could grab a shot here, a shot there, do certain things — but commercials, like Coca-Cola did a commercial this Christmas, and oh my God, people lost their minds. They rejected it completely.

And what’s fascinating now is what’s really kind of moving the needle is watching “making of” videos to show that a human made it. There is a video out there now of Apple TV — you know Apple, obviously.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Apple TV, yeah.

ALEX FERRARI: Their logo. They just shot a 60-second behind-the-scenes footage of them creating their logo — the little logo that flies in for Apple TV. It was made out of glass and they did it all old school with lights and they filmed it, and people — it went viral. People lost their minds. That was amazing.

SHEILA GILLETTE: That’s the art of it, isn’t it? Not just the art, but the art and science of it. Because there is a bit of science that goes on.

ALEX FERRARI: There’s a lot of it.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yes, a lot. And it is fascinating. You’re speaking to what I’m speaking about — the rejection, when people say, “No, no.” And people are saying no now. So I have complete faith in us. I mean, I hate what’s going on. I wish it wasn’t, but look how fast this is all moving. So when you say when will it end? I think it’s going to end much more quickly than things have in the past,

ALEX FERRARI: because everything’s moving so quickly. This is not going to lag on for 10 years like it did before. Whatever is going to happen is going to happen quick. Because it’s just — everything’s moving so fast.

SHEILA GILLETTE: We have clients who have family members — their adult children — that are caught in the middle. They teach in the Middle East. There are universities there in Qatar, American universities. They were trying to get back to Qatar. They have two little kids and their Lebanese grandmother is taking care of their kids, and they were on a trip for a birthday and got diverted to Rome because they couldn’t fly back — is it Doha? And the family’s wondering, “Well, when can they get home to their children?” There are Americans in that region that can’t get back. They’re stuck.

So things will move quickly because this is affecting the economy. The world economy will be very affected. It’s already affecting us. Gas prices have gone up. And I think this is where people will say, “Wait a minute.”

ALEX FERRARI: Enough’s enough.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Enough of these prices going up and life being a mess.

Theo’s Prophecies and the Upheaval of a New World

It’s interesting, though. Theo’s been talking about this for five decades. And when they first came out with it in the 80s — the 70s and 80s — I believe, because I had too much confirmation about what would be happening. And they said it would start — it started when the Berlin Wall came down. And this upheaval. And they said, interestingly enough, it will start in the Baltic States. Well, my geographic knowledge wasn’t as large as it is now because I’ve traveled the world. I hadn’t up until then.

And I went to teach in Germany and went into eastern Germany because it had opened up, the wall had come down.

ALEX FERRARI: Okay.

SHEILA GILLETTE: And I was standing in the Baltic Sea. I took my shoes off and I just had one goosebump moment, thinking and remembering. And this was 12 years after the wall came down. This was 2001, I think.

ALEX FERRARI: Oh, yeah. Wow.

SHEILA GILLETTE: And I went, “Now I get it.” I was just reading a review about The Fifth Dimension. Somebody gave it a five star because it’s an old book, but there’s much relevance to what’s happening now in that final chapter. And we can see, since it was published, all the different things that have come true leading up till now. So it gives me the confidence of knowing we’re just birthing a new world here.

And those of us that can remember those more idyllic times without social media — just to your point — I think that’s what people are wanting. They want the quiet. The stimulus is too much. It just overwhelms.

The Fall of Spiritual Leaders

ALEX FERRARI: Now, Sheila, I have to ask you about another big collapse that’s happening as well, which is in our world, in the spiritual space. There have been reports of some of these spiritual masters and leaders that we’ve had starting to fall very publicly. Specifically, files have really opened up a lot of information about some very beloved spiritual leaders. And this is nothing new per se. There was John of God, there was Osho. There were so many others over the years.

The one that I’m speaking of right now, specifically —

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah.

ALEX FERRARI: He was one of those leaders who basically brought Eastern spirituality to the West. I mean, he was a very big figure. I remember him and Wayne Dyer and that whole time. And I don’t think there’s anybody in our space who’s ever gone down the new age world or metaphysical world who hasn’t picked up a book of his, watched a video of his in one way, shape or form.

So my question to you is, first of all, why is this happening? Why does that happen to spiritual leaders? Because if you’re supposed to be a spiritual leader, you’re supposed to be all powerful and all knowing and all this. But why is that? Because people ask me that question all the time. Like, “Well, if they’re a guru, how could they have done what they did and also have these profound spiritual ideas?” Because they do have profound spiritual ideas, and they have evolved to a state in the spiritual space, but not in the human state as much, because if not, they wouldn’t have fallen. I’d love to hear your thoughts from someone who’s been in the space for as long as you have and seen a lot of this happening.

SHEILA GILLETTE: This has happened through centuries, because people — they’re human. And if you start believing your own press, you can get into trouble. I mean, we have a leader that says, “I can do anything I want to do,” and that’s what some leaders do. They think they have the power, and they do, because people give their power away to them.

And so I guess my answer would be humanness, to your point. I mean, he’s a human. So is John of God, so is Osho. So have many gurus and other leaders — not just spiritual leaders, but leaders in general. They get that sense of power and misuse it, and it’s expected.

ALEX FERRARI: You know, when you say, “Oh, a politician,” you’re like, “Got it.” Or a president — perfectly makes sense. But I feel that spiritual leaders are held to a different standard. But they’re still —

SHEILA GILLETTE: Haven’t you seen many church leaders do the same thing?

ALEX FERRARI: Stop it.

SHEILA GILLETTE: I mean, over the years, I certainly have. I think it’s that power thing.

ALEX FERRARI: It’s power. You get drunk on it. You start drinking your own Kool-Aid, essentially. You start believing your own hype.

SHEILA GILLETTE: And if you have any weakness in your humanness, that’s going to come to the surface. They talk about the imposter syndrome in the corporate world, where CEOs and such get this. And I think people in that place of power do things to disempower themselves. People act out in different ways to prove themselves not as good as they think they are.

ALEX FERRARI: And also, it’s so true. People who win a lot of money or get a lot of fame or get a lot of perceived power — or real power — it really shows who you are. It just amplifies whoever you are. So if you’re a really good, kind person who wants to help and you’re given a billion dollars, that’s a test. Let’s see what you do with it.

And then there are others who take that and go, “Ooh, finally I can go off into debauchery,” and do all these other things. It just amplifies it. Fame is like that. Fame amplifies whatever you were inside. But I like what you said — if there’s any weakness, it will bring it right out because it’s too much pressure. It’s also an energy thing, isn’t it? It’s a frequency thing. When you have that much power and energy, you have to handle it. It’s kind of like channeling.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Everything’s energetic, and Theo says everything spiritual because we’re spiritual beings having a human experience. And they’re just opportunities for growth. It depends on who you are, how, what you draw to yourself for that greater growth.

Now, I would say probably these people were speaking about, had some period of time where they were given the opportunity to change, to change activity, to change who they are. It’s kind of like if you’re not paying attention. It’s like if you have the pebble of sand in your shoe, you don’t take it out. Begins to feel like a boulder if you don’t pay attention to it.

I think in our lives, we’re given those chances in smaller ways to get the lesson. And if we don’t get it, it just gets bigger. And that, I think that that’s our soul draws it to us because it wants to learn and needs to experience. We’re here to learn. And to be, become better humans.

ALEX FERRARI: Very much so. So, Sheila, if you don’t mind, let’s bring in Theo. Let’s see what he has to say about all of this.

SHEILA GILLETTE: All right.

ALEX FERRARI: All right. Let’s do it.

SHEILA GILLETTE: They did think that we’re very humorous. They told us that one day we.

ALEX FERRARI: Well, we are. I mean, we’re the best reality show in the universe, I have to imagine. True. It’s like the Real Housewives of Earth. Yeah. Before you get in, can you explain to everybody what you’re doing if they don’t know what you’re doing?

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah, we’re talking about.

ALEX FERRARI: We’re talking about Theo. Like, everyone knows who Theo is. This might be the first interview. Can you just really quickly explain who they are and what you’re.

Who Is Theo? Sheila Explains the Channeling Process

SHEILA GILLETTE: Theo is a group of 12 archangels collectively known by the name Theo, speak in one voice. And I have, for now, over five decades, allowed them to use this body to teach us. And so what I’m doing now is they come in the right side of my body, take over my vocal cords, and then they take over my whole body.

There is a voice change that does happen, but we’re more blended now than we were in the beginning, because I’m more comfortable with letting them use my body and having their energy in, which is kind of like putting your finger in the electrical socket. I mean, it’s a high frequency energy. So over the years, my body’s been adjusted to make that easier, that blended vibration to come in.

So that’s what I’m doing now. I’m inviting them to come in and speak to us. And I just, what I do is I just move over as if there was another chair there. I just move over and allow them to do their thing and to speak directly to you.

When I was tested by science at that point, channeling wasn’t used as the term for what I do. I was a direct voice, trance medium. That’s what the scientists called me.

ALEX FERRARI: Channeling is a lot easier. I know, but channeling is a little bit poppier, a little easier to brand.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah, it’s a little sexier, I guess.

ALEX FERRARI: Fair enough. Fair enough. All right, let’s bring in Theo.

Theo Speaks: The Spiritual Meaning Behind Global Conflict

SHEILA GILLETTE: All right, here we go. It is the beginning, is it not? It is. We are appreciative of the opportunity to serve. You may ask.

ALEX FERRARI: Yes, Theo, thank you for being here. My first question is, what is the deeper spiritual meaning behind the current Iran conflict?

SHEILA GILLETTE: It’s all part of the change of humans coming together, began in the pandemic. For you to see that there are no boundaries between you. It matters not the country of where you’re born or live. It matters not the voice you speak in, the color of your skin, the language. You are all one. You’re one species on this planet, and you are all connected energetically.

And this is the evolution now of consciousness, of recognizing that oneness and collaborativeness between you, for great things are to come as you collaborate together. If you were in space and you looked at the Earth, you would see no demarcation lines between countries, states. The only demarcation lines you would see would be water. There are no boundaries between you energetically.

And the pandemic proved that it did not care for where you were in the world. It affected everybody. Yes. It also showed you, as the Earth stopped doing, the Earth itself can cleanse itself very rapidly. So you’ve been given information over this time, if you pay attention to what can create a change for the better, for the planet and for all species on it.

So this is a shift of consciousness that is now, that’s never happened before. You’re in the fifth dimensionary energy space, which is much more refined, vibrational frequency. And the veils between your multidimensional expression and experience are very thin. So you’re very finely connected to source, more than you’ve ever been.

ALEX FERRARI: Is this specific conflict the beginning of a turning point in global consciousness? Or is there going to be a greater conflict? Is this going to escalate even more and more in the coming years into some other thing?

SHEILA GILLETTE: We would say this is quite extensive, isn’t it? Yes, we would say it could happen if you need more of it. But this is an opportunity of change. Yes. And each and every one of you have more power than you think you do.

Humans teach others to treat them the way they do. You are collaborators. But what has occurred is there are those who wish to have control and know how to manipulate, and then others who acquiesce to that manipulation. So this is an opportunity for all to come together, collaborate for the changes that you desire in the world, not in trying to overcome others, but as an invitation of that collaboration and love.

You all want the same things, or most of you do. The majority want to have a life well lived, a sustainable life. Love, to be loved and to give love, and to enjoy the beauty of the planet. Yes. So knowing you’re all the same, no matter the color of the skin or language you speak or where you’re from, there is the oneness that is evolving now in that recognition, and the structures will be so to support that.

The Purpose of Human Diversity and Separation

ALEX FERRARI: Theo, let me ask you, you just mentioned the languages and the colors of the skin. In the grand scheme of the plan for Earth and for humanity in this time period, what was the purpose of separating us by language, separating us aesthetic from the outside, separating us from language, separating us by color and all this stuff of separation, this illusion of separation. When the truth is, you’re right, we are all one. We are all connected. But what was the purpose of all of that? Because it seems to have caused so much trouble over the centuries.

SHEILA GILLETTE: That’s because humans have led fear based lives making someone that didn’t look like you other. And it’s happened in the animal kingdoms as well. They look different, don’t they? But they’re all animals. Yes. As humans are animals as well.

The diversity of the color of the skin and languages is a gift. It’s a beautiful gift. If you were all the same, how boring would that be? If there was only one writer of a book, only one book. How boring. One composition, one composer. Yes. There needs to be this diversity between you to appreciate each other and the self. For the gifts you come to give. For each of you have your own gift, the truth of your being to share with the world.

And it matters not if there’s someone else doing a similar thing. That’s not you. You’re different frequencies. Your souls are unique frequencies that are eternal and unique. There’s not one other human like you. Though you may have children, you may have mothers and fathers linked in this way genetically. These are patterns that are changing as we speak. DNA is changing as you grow spiritually as well. So the body is shifting and changing to a better body, if you would, as you grow spiritually.

But if you look at a garden of flowers, the diversity of them gives it beauty. So if you look at humanity as flowers, it gives beauty to it. Yes.

ALEX FERRARI: Is humanity now moving away from the fear based systems of power that we have?

The Fifth Dimension, Unconditional Love, and New Leadership

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yes. In what would love do? This is a time of shift into the fifth dimension, is about the recognition of unconditional love of self and others as the self. And these are words that have been given over ages of time. Since the third dimension, which is your physical reality, there have been teachers teaching this message. Yes, it’s not new, but it’s taken this evolution this long to understand it.

And what is unconditional love? It’s a state of being, being observing, not judging, being interested in one another, not in judgment. If there’s judgment that is happening, there’s an emotional component or trigger that something inside of you is seen in another, something that you don’t appreciate. And so that’s why we brought forth the soul integrated process to align the self with the soul vibrational frequency and understanding of that state of unconditional love of self.

ALEX FERRARI: What new forms of leadership might emerge in the coming years?

SHEILA GILLETTE: Those who listen to the people and not there for their own power, their own desires, individually to be met.

ALEX FERRARI: That would be nice.

SHEILA GILLETTE: That’s part of the fifth dimension. That’s part of consciousness shift. And there have been leaders in your world that have been those minds. But imagine if all could achieve that. That’s the time you’re living in, not just one person, but each and every one of you recognizing the magnificence of the souls that you are now.

The Fall of Spiritual Gurus and the Rise of Personal Discernment

ALEX FERRARI: My next question is about spiritual leaders. Recently there has been a lot of well known spiritual leaders who are losing credibility and influence. Why is this happening in the spiritual space? Some very well known people who have helped millions of people. But things have come out about them that is not correct, not right. And they’ve done horrible things.

SHEILA GILLETTE: That’s a form of judgment of observation, isn’t it, in the sense of what is deemed horrible or not. Each of you understand this. Create situations and circumstances for your learning, for your highest aspects of learning. They have chosen their path. The soul has drawn to them perfectly what’s appropriate for their growth. So why indicates there’s a victimization here of them. There is not. It is all choice, isn’t it?

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Daily you make thousands of choices. But we would say it stems from the lack of self love.

ALEX FERRARI: Well, so with that said, is the era of the spiritual guru coming to an end?

SHEILA GILLETTE: In that form, imagine that you’re all one. You’re on a spiritual journey. Everything’s spiritual. You don’t hang your soul in your closet when you go to work. Everything that you do, all the hours that you live, your soul is drawing to opportunities of the growth no matter where you are. It’s how you perceive them that is changing.

When you know you are the creator of your life, a life that wants more, life lives through you for you as you. Then you take responsibility. The ability to respond to that life rather than to feel you have no power and are victimized by it. You broaden the aperture of your perceptivity and then you act in those ways that allow you to understand differently.

What if something wonderful will happen in life? Rather than a fear based, “What if something terrible will happen?” Because how you think is what you get, the power of the word. There first was the word. So word is thought. It’s written, it’s spoken. Yes.

So we’re asking you to evolve in your awareness of the truth of who you are. Not in perceptivity of others, judgments about you, or letting situation, circumstances and condition dictate who you are. Meaning if you’re having a difficult time, doesn’t mean that you’re bad or undeserving. It just means you’re growing in this opportunity. And if you see it from a perception of “What’s the gift and blessing I can glean here to expand my awareness?” it’s a very different life you will live.

ALEX FERRARI: How can then, this is a question I get asked all the time, how can people discern authentic spiritual teachers?

SHEILA GILLETTE: You have a barometer, a truth barometer within you. Most will show you who they are, as you’re speaking about this. Yes. And you know when truth is spoken to you and you know when you speak it to others because of that barometer inside you. Gut feeling, if you would. But your body has a visceral response to it. If you ask on the inner to your higher power, “Is that true?” you will know. But most do not ask. They are followers, giving the power away, not questioning. We say to all who we teach as well, critical thinking is important. “Is that true? Does it make sense?”

ALEX FERRARI: Are we entering a time where individuals are becoming their own spiritual authority?

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yes.

ALEX FERRARI: And when will that happen?

SHEILA GILLETTE: Now as we speak.

ALEX FERRARI: It’s a gradual process.

The Art of Relationship and Humanity’s Path Forward

SHEILA GILLETTE: It’s been thousands of years. That’s gradual. But there has been a quickening of that energy. Now why is that? The fifth dimension. It’s much more refined.

ALEX FERRARI: So what major consequence? Consciousness shifts will occur for the rest of this year and also up for the next four or five years, six years, 10 years.

SHEILA GILLETTE: It’s moving very rapidly now in each and every one of you doing your inner work, doing your own personal work, not giving your power away to others. The critical thinking we speak about being open and opportunities of learning. Those who think they know everything because they’ve been on the path for a while are stunting their growth from going forward. Because there will always be this evolutionary process of more to know and more to experience. That’s what you’ve come to earth to do.

AI, Technology, and Spiritual Evolution

ALEX FERRARI: How will AI and technology affect humanity’s spiritual evolution?

SHEILA GILLETTE: It’s giving an opportunity like any other innovation has done to expand knowledge. And it’s only as good as the question you ask. So it would beget others wanting more information by asking better questions. It’s like an encyclopedia. More things were written in encyclopedias as more growth and understanding and questions were asked. And the aperture of life open to know there was more to know. So now you have your technology. AI is a technology. You have your computer that connects you to the world in an instant. So you’re being given all these tools to expand consciousness and knowledge. It’s how you use them.

Humanity’s Greatest Challenge

ALEX FERRARI: What challenges must humanity still face before real unity emerges?

SHEILA GILLETTE: The greatest challenge you have is loving yourself, because everything else is exterior, isn’t it? Very much so. You want the exterior to change, you change the interior.

Media Consolidation and the Power of the People

ALEX FERRARI: Let me ask you, as all the industries and systems start to crack and crumble around us and we’re all actively seeing this, I need to ask you in regards to specifically what’s happening in media right now. There is a combination or a conglomeration of one family, one small group of people trying to control massive amounts of influence, whether through the news, through media in general, through social media and all of that. Specifically, I’m talking about a family that owns Paramount Pictures who’s now buying Warner Brothers and then they also just bought TikTok. It’s way too much power and control of messaging for any one entity to be able to control. It’s just massive. What is your take on what is happening in the media industry right now?

SHEILA GILLETTE: Oh, it’s shining a glaring light on that, isn’t it? Where again, the people and the laws that are created by the people to be enforced in these large conglomerations. And it’s all about money, isn’t it? And when you start realizing that money is not everything, money has no power in and of itself. It’s what people give it. So giving power away to those who have money isn’t the way to do it. They have no more power than you, except they have greater amounts of money and that’s what they’re striving for with the belief that that’s power. And it has been in the past, hasn’t it?

But this will all right itself because of the creativity of the many. And what is being seen here previously was all done in hiding. Now it’s public and people are aware of it. And things can be put in place to stop things that are destructive by the power of the people. But creativity will not stop. And innovation will not stop. And the desire for entertainment will not stop. And the desire for knowledge — they cannot stop or control that happening, even though there are some who would like to. Because each of you are empowered now with your own technology. Everyone in the world, save maybe one or two, has a technological opportunity to connect to the world. That’s power.

Theo’s Final Message to Humanity

ALEX FERRARI: What message do you most want humanity to hear right now?

SHEILA GILLETTE: What we want for all of you is for you to love yourselves as we love you. If you could see yourselves as we see you, there would be no discontent. There would be that solid state of unconditional love which is God.

ALEX FERRARI: Theo, do you have any final words to leave the audience with?

SHEILA GILLETTE: Fear has been the patterns of the past. Let it no longer dictate you. There is nothing to fear. You’re more powerful than you know. And as you come into that fuller awareness, it’s not through conceit or narcissism, but soul centeredness. And as you do this, you will treat each other appropriately. With love. You are complete with your ask.

ALEX FERRARI: I am. Thank you so much for being here, Theo.

SHEILA GILLETTE: God’s love. On to you. Good day. How you doing?

After the Session — Sheila Returns

ALEX FERRARI: How are you feeling?

SHEILA GILLETTE: I’m good. Good.

ALEX FERRARI: There’s this very distinct difference in energy between you and Theo.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah. Yeah, there is.

ALEX FERRARI: You laugh a lot more than they do.

SHEILA GILLETTE: You know, they told us they’re working on their humor, though.

ALEX FERRARI: It’s like an accountant going, “I’m working on my stand-up special.” That’s something. I’m not sure that’s how it’s going to work out, but they’re really good at — if you’re an accountant, be a good accountant. You don’t have to be funny. It’s okay.

SHEILA GILLETTE: It is very subtle.

ALEX FERRARI: It’s very subtle. It has a dryness to it. When it does happen, it is subtle to say the least.

SHEILA GILLETTE: But sometimes we’ve heard them say to people — because people are so serious themselves — Theo said, “That’s a joke,” to some people.

ALEX FERRARI: Well, because there’s no delivery. It’s deadpan delivery. So people are like, “Wait a minute. Am I supposed to laugh right now?” It’s funny when you watch someone who’s serious and he or she cracks a joke.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah, it’s hard.

ALEX FERRARI: It’s like, how do you deal with it?

SHEILA GILLETTE: How do you deal with it?

The Art of Relationship — Theo’s Big Initiative

ALEX FERRARI: So I wanted to talk to you also about what a big initiative that you and Theo have been doing in regards to love and relationships. Can you talk a little bit about that and the work that you guys do? Obviously, your last book was about that as well, and you’ve got some other stuff that you’re doing about that, but dive in on why this is so important right now in this time in human history and why this is such a big initiative for you guys.

SHEILA GILLETTE: A few years ago, we asked Theo, “What’s next? What do you want to focus on?” And they said relationships, because everything is relational. Everything we do is relationship based. We go to the supermarket, we have a relationship with the clerk that’s checking out our groceries or the clerk at the store that’s taking our money for whatever we’re purchasing. I mean, we meet each other on the street. That’s a relationship, even if it’s just for a few seconds or a moment. So they said relationships are where we grow most. And isn’t that the truth? Where are we challenged most? In our relationships.

So we did a book and we’ve done several retreats called Relationship Retreats. And it hits not only just primary relationships — people looking for love — but all of our relationships. Firstly, our relationship to ourself. Theo is a big proponent of loving ourselves and how to do that. It’s not just information about that, but it’s how do you do it? There are 12 chapters in the book, but also we did a whole video series. It’s the book and excerpts from live retreats — people working with Theo — that is really profound. And then there’s a section on what happened to them after. How did their life change in their own words, not our words. And this is on video and audio as well as in the book. So it’s quite a robust program.

And then we worked with Barry Goldstein, the composer, and we did 12 guided meditations — one for each chapter — with Barry’s music and Theo. So we’ve been doing a lot of collaboration like that. We’re working with Barry right now on another project, but we have three 30-minute meditations we did with him. Heart Coherence is one of them. And his music is so powerful. That would be a good interview for you. He’s awesome. I’ll give you his number.

ALEX FERRARI: Okay.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Because his music and the way he composes, it’s all frequency based. He explains the frequencies and it’s quite fascinating. Many people in our industry know him. He’s worked with well-known people — Joe Dispenza, he’s done a lot of meditations with as well. So people are familiar with his music. So I feel really blessed to work with him and Theo together. It’s quite powerful.

So this is quite a robust program that we’re going to present. We’ve already presented it to a test beta group and people really have enjoyed it. The book has been out for a little while. It changes lives. It really does. How do you be with an aging parent who’s in their last days of their life? Our last chapter is the end of life — not the end, but the end of life.

ALEX FERRARI: Beautiful.

SHEILA GILLETTE: And there are tools for children and the people you work with, relationships there. And there’s a chapter on betrayal. There’s a chapter on divorce. It’s robust. And many people talk about theories, but Theo talks about how to make those changes, which is quite profound. And I’ve been a student of them all these years, and I’m still a student. I’m learning new things from them all the time. And I see they’re teaching new things to all of us now because we’re ready to hear it. We’re ready to understand what they’re telling us. So it’s very organic in that way. It’s always expanding.

ALEX FERRARI: That’s beautiful. And what’s the name of the course?

SHEILA GILLETTE: It’s called The Art of Relationship: Discover the Magic of Unconditional Love. And we have many, many mentoring courses as well, as you know.

ALEX FERRARI: Well, we’ll have a link to this course in the description below for people to watch and get access to the course if they want to go down that road with you.

SHEILA GILLETTE: That would be great. Or just our website — they can check out asktheo.com.

Closing Reflections — On Theo’s Energy and Judgment

ALEX FERRARI: Sheila, it is always a joy having you on the show. I love talking to you. I love talking to Theo. I feel like Theo is like an old uncle of mine who I’ve just talked to all the time and have to come to with questions. “Uncle Theo, can you tell me what’s going on?”

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah, I get that. Me too.

ALEX FERRARI: He’s just — and I say “he” for lack of a better word — but he’s just that energy. Theo’s a very reassuring, strong energy and very, very comforting, but in a very strong, firm kind of way. But there’s still a lot of love there with it. It’s not like a nun in Catholic school. He doesn’t wag his finger either. None of that. He just lays things out the way it is. It’s just matter of fact. It’s like, “Hey, it’s this and this. Yeah, this was happening.”

SHEILA GILLETTE: And you know, I’ve noticed all these years that there’s no judging.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah, there is.

SHEILA GILLETTE: They don’t judge us at all, which is beautiful.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah. There seems to be a little bit of judging going on in the world. Just a little.

SHEILA GILLETTE: You know what Theo told us? They said you can tell the difference if you’re just observing or if you’re in judgment. Observation is neutral. Judgment always has an edge of an emotional attachment.

ALEX FERRARI: That is very true. Because sometimes I’ll look at stuff and I’ll just go, “Huh, that’s interesting.”

SHEILA GILLETTE: Exactly. “Isn’t that interesting?” And it leaves you open to wanting more.

ALEX FERRARI: Yeah.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Knowledge about whatever.

ALEX FERRARI: What’s happening.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

ALEX FERRARI: You’ll see something happening and you’ll just go, “Huh, that person must be having a bad day.”

SHEILA GILLETTE: Or that person.

ALEX FERRARI: Oh, look how beautiful that is. Oh, okay, cool. It’s a very neutral energy as opposed to getting emotionally drawn into it. But, Sheila, thank you again so much for being here. I can’t wait to talk to you again and also to tell everybody a couple of the little things that we’re working on together in the future as well. It’s going to be a lot of fun.

SHEILA GILLETTE: So be fun.

ALEX FERRARI: Sheila, thank you again for being here. And thank you for all the work and all the time you have spent in your life dedicated to this kind of work and helping awaken the planet. So I appreciate you, my dear.

SHEILA GILLETTE: Oh, thank you. I appreciate you as well. It’s been my pleasure for sure, and I look forward to the next time. We always have a good time, and please give your family my love.

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