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Transcript: Marjorie Taylor Greene on 5 Pillars of MAGA – Tucker Carlson Show

Read the full transcript of Tucker Carlson Show episode titled “Tucker and MTG on the 5 Pillars of MAGA and the Snakes in Washington Trying to Tear Them Down”, October 23, 2025.  

The Corruption of Movements: A Warning from Animal Farm

TUCKER CARLSON: So there’s this scene in Animal Farm. It’s the last scene in the novel, the famous George Orwell novel, the one less referred to than Nineteen Eighty-Four, but in some ways a lot better. And there’s this scene where the pigs and the men are playing cards at a table.

Now for the course of the novel, the pigs are leading the animals, the animals of the farm, in rebellion against the men whose cruel and capricious and greedy leadership has kind of wrecked the farm, and they’ve risen up collectively to take back what’s theirs, the means of production, and they’re going to distribute the fruits equally, and everything is going to be fair and equitable, and things are going to be great. And the pigs naturally rise to the top of the hierarchy because they’re the smartest, and following them are the kind of stalwart horses and the sweet tempered, trusting cattle, etcetera, all the way on down the chain.

And so it’s left to the pigs to negotiate with the men, the former farm owners. And, of course, they hate the men. Right? They’re the declared enemy of the men. And in the final scene, the other animals are gathered outside the house, noses pressed against the glass, and the pigs are sitting, basically, partying with the men.

And for a moment, they become indistinguishable. You can’t tell the pig from the man. They’ve melded into one. In other words, the movement the pigs led has been completely corrupted and become the mirror image of what it purported to be. And the reason this, of course, was describing the Soviet leadership, which overthrew an aristocracy only to install its own even more tyrannical version, genocidal version.

But it really describes almost all human organizations, which unless you’re careful and thoughtful and get into the consistent habit of restating your principles out loud, most human organizations wind up resembling just organically over time whatever force they were created to fight against.

They become inversions of themselves, mirror images of what they were intended to be. This is just the way things are. It certainly happened to the Democratic Party, by the way, in our lifetimes. I mean, forty years ago, the Democratic Party was the party of what? Peace and human rights and against big business.

And since the Clinton years, of course, it has been the opposite of those things. The Democratic Party has been the defender of oligarchy and the main driver of war, and, of course, the sort of great proponents of censorship and the opponent of human rights. “My body, my choice,” they say, as they force you to take the COVID vaccine.

And this has been noted quite a bit. There’s a pretty good book written about it several years ago, I would say, called “Ship of Fools.” Sorry. But this can happen not just to the Democratic Party and the Communist Party, the Bolshevik Party of 1917. It could happen to really any party, including the Republican Party, including the party of MAGA.

Hasn’t happened necessarily, but there are people who would like it to happen. And so without attacking them personally and with the sincere belief that they’re acting out of their own interests and their own beliefs and trying to subvert a movement that they did not create and had nothing to do with. But they’re doing it for reasons that they think are valid, with taking out the possibility that they’re just evil trying to destroy something, giving them every benefit of every doubt.

There are some pretty highly aggressive people in Washington DC who are trying to turn the MAGA movement into the opposite of what it was created to be, the opposite of what voters hoped it would be when they voted for it, what tens of millions of Americans believed it was. And so before that happens completely and before we forget what MAGA once was, it’s probably worth stating in very clear terms what it is.

Defining MAGA: The Five Pillars

What is MAGA? Well, MAGA, of course, means Make America Great Again. It’s an acronym. But what does that mean exactly? We don’t have to guess because Donald Trump for ten years, ten full years, 2015 to 2025, has been articulating again and again and again, a remarkable level of repetition, actually, five consistent themes about what this is.

What is MAGA? So let’s go through and name and explain the five pillars of MAGA. It’s not exactly the Bill of Rights, but in political terms, it’s meaningful. These are the founding principles of the governing political coalition that runs the United States right now, and they are too rarely articulated. So let’s do that.

Pillar One: America First

Let’s start with number one. What is the first pillar of MAGA? Well, of course, it’s America First. Here’s Donald Trump before he got the nomination for president in, I think, the spring of 2016 explaining what America First means. Here he is.

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DONALD TRUMP: My foreign policy will always put the interests of the American people and American security above all else. Has to be first. Has to be. That will be the foundation of every single decision that I will make. America First will be the major and overriding theme of my administration.

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April 27, 2016. At the time, Donald Trump had been elected to nothing. He’d not even officially secured the nomination. Ted Cruz was still running against him until the Indiana primary the next month. He was still just a candidate, totally unproven.

But the central theme of the next ten years of his political life and of the country’s political life is right there in that clip: America First.